WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.000 --> 00:00:04.519 The strangest part here is that there is no footage 2 00:00:04.559 --> 00:00:07.160 of him leaving the barlow. So he goes in and 3 00:00:07.200 --> 00:00:13.640 then that's it. He just never left. Get ready for 4 00:00:13.679 --> 00:00:14.800 a campfire story. 5 00:00:15.320 --> 00:00:19.480 I'm Edwin, I'm Michelle, and we'll share spooky stories with 6 00:00:19.640 --> 00:00:22.160 playful banter that'll keep you up at night. 7 00:00:22.399 --> 00:00:24.679 So throw some wood on the fire and put a 8 00:00:24.679 --> 00:00:28.600 wiener on a stick. We're telling you a campfire story tonight. 9 00:00:31.760 --> 00:00:33.799 All right, here, we are hiking into the woods. We 10 00:00:33.880 --> 00:00:36.600 got to get that energy back up and get back 11 00:00:36.600 --> 00:00:39.280 to what we really like is just telling each other's 12 00:00:39.280 --> 00:00:40.719 stories by the campfire. 13 00:00:41.039 --> 00:00:42.920 That's right. Disappearances. 14 00:00:44.799 --> 00:00:45.799 Did you watch Mad Men? 15 00:00:46.119 --> 00:00:47.719 I tried? It was too boring. 16 00:00:48.280 --> 00:00:49.520 You've seen an episode? 17 00:00:49.719 --> 00:00:49.920 Yeah. 18 00:00:50.399 --> 00:00:53.159 When I'm telling the story, I'm kind of imagining Don Draper, 19 00:00:53.200 --> 00:00:57.960 the lead in that show. You're getting on a plane. 20 00:00:58.759 --> 00:01:02.520 There's leg room, the cabin is full of cigarette smoke. 21 00:01:03.200 --> 00:01:09.439 It's nineteen seventy one. A mysterious man in a dark 22 00:01:09.560 --> 00:01:12.159 suit goes up to the counter and buys himself a 23 00:01:12.200 --> 00:01:15.840 ticket to Seattle from Portland, leaving at two point fifty 24 00:01:15.920 --> 00:01:20.840 pm that day, the day before Thanksgiving. There's no security 25 00:01:20.920 --> 00:01:24.799 check and no pat downs. And no metal detectors. He 26 00:01:24.920 --> 00:01:30.000 is carrying a briefcase. This mysterious man boards the plane 27 00:01:30.359 --> 00:01:34.560 and places his briefcase in his lap. Shortly after takeoff, 28 00:01:34.640 --> 00:01:38.920 the man slips the flight attendant, Florence Schaffner a folded note. 29 00:01:39.879 --> 00:01:42.719 She assumes he's hitting on her and it's his phone number, 30 00:01:42.799 --> 00:01:45.159 so she slips it into her bag without looking at it. 31 00:01:45.760 --> 00:01:48.480 The next time she walks by his seat, the man 32 00:01:48.599 --> 00:01:53.560 leans forward and whispers, miss you'd better look at that note. 33 00:01:54.439 --> 00:01:59.400 I have a bomb. He then quietly opens the briefcase 34 00:01:59.519 --> 00:02:04.640 and show Florence eight red cylinders attached to wires and 35 00:02:04.719 --> 00:02:10.439 a cylindrical battery. On his note, he listed his demands 36 00:02:11.159 --> 00:02:14.840 two hundred thousand dollars, which is around one million in 37 00:02:14.840 --> 00:02:21.080 today's money, four manually operated civilian parachutes, and an aircraft 38 00:02:21.159 --> 00:02:26.400 fuel truck standing by in Seattle for use. Upon their arrival, 39 00:02:27.479 --> 00:02:30.360 Florence immediately went to the cockpit and told the captain, 40 00:02:30.479 --> 00:02:35.319 William A. Scott's the situation. He calmly notified the thirty 41 00:02:35.360 --> 00:02:38.560 five other passengers on the plane that they would be 42 00:02:38.960 --> 00:02:43.159 delayed in flight due to a minor mechanical difficulty, So 43 00:02:43.199 --> 00:02:47.000 the plane circled around the airport in Puget Sound for 44 00:02:47.120 --> 00:02:52.360 two hours as emergency responders notified and gathered all of 45 00:02:52.360 --> 00:02:57.120 the ransom demands, including ten thousand unmarked twenty dollar bills. 46 00:02:58.400 --> 00:03:01.319 During this time, the man commented on the layout of 47 00:03:01.319 --> 00:03:06.319 the land below. Witnesses claim that he was calm, well spoken, polite, 48 00:03:07.120 --> 00:03:09.639 even going so far as to request meals for the 49 00:03:09.680 --> 00:03:13.759 flight crew ahead of their arrival in Seattle. The plane 50 00:03:13.800 --> 00:03:18.560 finally lands at the Seattle Tacoma Airport. And honestly, what 51 00:03:18.719 --> 00:03:22.159 still surprises me about this story is that he received 52 00:03:22.199 --> 00:03:25.439 all of his ransom demands. Isn't that nuts? I feel 53 00:03:25.439 --> 00:03:28.120 like people don't get their ransom demands anymore. Is that like? 54 00:03:28.520 --> 00:03:30.199 Am I like making that up in my brain? 55 00:03:30.319 --> 00:03:31.000 Or now? 56 00:03:31.000 --> 00:03:33.439 It's like they negotiate with you enough, so like they 57 00:03:33.479 --> 00:03:35.800 play this mental game where like, yeah, you don't. 58 00:03:35.639 --> 00:03:38.360 Win, you won't never you never win. But anyway, this 59 00:03:38.439 --> 00:03:41.719 guy wins, so he gets his ransom demands, he gets 60 00:03:41.719 --> 00:03:44.520 his money and his parachutes, and he's satisfied. So he 61 00:03:44.599 --> 00:03:47.680 releases all the passengers and the flight attendants off the plane. 62 00:03:48.120 --> 00:03:50.840 But then once the plane is refueled, they took off 63 00:03:50.879 --> 00:03:54.080 again and the remaining crew are told to head for 64 00:03:54.319 --> 00:03:59.560 the Reno Tahoe Airport. It's raining. Around eight pm, the 65 00:03:59.639 --> 00:04:02.080 captain and the remaining crew noticed a sudden change in 66 00:04:02.120 --> 00:04:05.840 the air pressure on the plane, indicating that a door 67 00:04:05.919 --> 00:04:08.479 had been opened. As the plane was flying over a 68 00:04:08.479 --> 00:04:12.919 heavily wooded area of southern Washington, the Washugo Valley, there 69 00:04:13.159 --> 00:04:17.120 was a sudden movement against the airplane's tail section. The 70 00:04:17.120 --> 00:04:19.759 man had jumped from the plane wearing a parachute with 71 00:04:19.920 --> 00:04:24.439 his stolen money, and he parachuted straight into our hearts. 72 00:04:24.480 --> 00:04:28.360 Because the mysterious man was never seen again, this mysterious 73 00:04:28.399 --> 00:04:32.079 man became known as D. B. Cooper, which is a 74 00:04:32.079 --> 00:04:35.079 slight variation of the alias he used to buy the 75 00:04:35.120 --> 00:04:38.839 plane ticket, Dan Cooper aka Don Draper. 76 00:04:40.439 --> 00:04:40.720 Wow. 77 00:04:40.759 --> 00:04:43.040 Wait, so they never found him, like they never chased 78 00:04:43.120 --> 00:04:44.800 They never chased them nothing. 79 00:04:44.720 --> 00:04:47.920 They chased him. He was actually on the most FBI 80 00:04:47.959 --> 00:04:51.120 most wanted list to like I think twenty sixteen when 81 00:04:51.120 --> 00:04:54.920 they just suspended the case. At this point, who's alive? 82 00:04:55.120 --> 00:04:57.319 They already spent all the money, but like. 83 00:04:57.600 --> 00:05:01.199 This disappearance and crime have never been so. 84 00:05:00.639 --> 00:05:02.480 Wow, imagine pulling that off. 85 00:05:02.680 --> 00:05:06.600 Evidence suggested that he did not survive the fall, but 86 00:05:06.879 --> 00:05:11.959 nobody was ever found, and investigators quickly did composite sketches, 87 00:05:12.519 --> 00:05:17.639 eyewitness reports, physical evidence. Following the hijacking all that jazz 88 00:05:18.079 --> 00:05:22.240 aerial searches countless leads with no luck. There was no 89 00:05:22.279 --> 00:05:26.519 trace of him. But then on February tenth, nineteen eighty, 90 00:05:27.040 --> 00:05:30.480 an eight year old boy named Brian Ingram discovered three 91 00:05:30.519 --> 00:05:34.680 packs of the ransom cash totaling about fifty eight hundred dollars, 92 00:05:35.439 --> 00:05:37.879 as he dug in a sandy river bank on the 93 00:05:37.879 --> 00:05:42.680 Columbia River at a beachfront known as Tina Bar. Police 94 00:05:42.720 --> 00:05:45.959 analyzed this later and confirmed that ten bills were missing 95 00:05:46.000 --> 00:05:50.800 from the packs of heavily deteriorated ransom cash, and that 96 00:05:50.920 --> 00:05:53.680 the money had been buried in the river bank several 97 00:05:53.680 --> 00:05:58.519 months after the hijacking, and no additional bills from Cooper's 98 00:05:58.600 --> 00:06:01.000 ransom have ever been discovered. 99 00:06:01.480 --> 00:06:02.920 So they were buried. 100 00:06:03.240 --> 00:06:06.519 So someone found some of his cash that was buried 101 00:06:06.519 --> 00:06:07.560 in a river bank and. 102 00:06:07.519 --> 00:06:10.480 They never found a parachute, never found nothing, like. It's 103 00:06:10.560 --> 00:06:12.600 just I think he made it to the ground. 104 00:06:12.800 --> 00:06:15.399 That's the thing is that we'll never really know if 105 00:06:15.399 --> 00:06:18.240 he did or didn't, you know, Like, isn't that fascinating. 106 00:06:18.800 --> 00:06:21.199 I mean there are theories, of course, do you want 107 00:06:21.240 --> 00:06:21.959 to hear the theories? 108 00:06:22.040 --> 00:06:23.079 Yeah, let's do it. 109 00:06:23.560 --> 00:06:27.279 Common theories. If he died jumping, you know, he would 110 00:06:27.279 --> 00:06:30.839 have jumped in a remote area. Honestly, it's not that remote. 111 00:06:30.959 --> 00:06:33.759 It's kind of your Mount Saint Helens. So if he 112 00:06:33.839 --> 00:06:36.959 jumped in the park, yes, obviously that's kind of remote. 113 00:06:37.079 --> 00:06:39.639 But if he jumped it was nighttime, it was rainy, 114 00:06:39.680 --> 00:06:42.319 he could have landed in a river and then just 115 00:06:42.360 --> 00:06:46.120 been swept right out to see. And also that would 116 00:06:46.120 --> 00:06:50.160 make sense that the money was found in a river bank. Okay, okay, 117 00:06:50.879 --> 00:06:54.240 the money was also never spent. And besides the kid 118 00:06:54.279 --> 00:06:58.120 finding that money in the river bank, it's never turned 119 00:06:58.199 --> 00:07:01.240 up in circulation because they were least the serial numbers 120 00:07:01.360 --> 00:07:06.480 of the bills, so everyone had that information. This inspired 121 00:07:07.360 --> 00:07:13.720 six copycat hijackings in nineteen seventy two, of course, and 122 00:07:13.759 --> 00:07:16.040 so every single one of those guys who jumped out 123 00:07:16.079 --> 00:07:20.519 of a commercial plane with a parachute lived. So the 124 00:07:20.600 --> 00:07:24.399 FBI decided they need to reevaluate this whole theory that 125 00:07:24.439 --> 00:07:27.279 he had just died and like jumped into a river. 126 00:07:27.680 --> 00:07:30.519 I mean, it could have just given him a faulty parachute, 127 00:07:30.560 --> 00:07:31.759 and that would have been that, Like. 128 00:07:31.839 --> 00:07:34.160 Apparently they did give it, since they give him four, 129 00:07:35.120 --> 00:07:37.399 I guess they did give him a faulty one. But 130 00:07:37.439 --> 00:07:40.519 then he like emptied two and put the money in them, 131 00:07:40.879 --> 00:07:44.600 like so they were backpacks, and then he jumped out 132 00:07:44.600 --> 00:07:47.800 with another one. So they searched the woods that he 133 00:07:47.839 --> 00:07:52.360 allegedly jumped in for years and no discoveries of the parachute, 134 00:07:52.480 --> 00:07:55.360 nothing like that. There's been no discoveries of him, and 135 00:07:55.439 --> 00:08:00.360 some investigators speculate because in nineteen eighty the eruption abount 136 00:08:00.360 --> 00:08:03.079 Saint Helen's was in that area, it could have also 137 00:08:03.160 --> 00:08:09.040 obliterated any remaining physical clues. So if he's dead, no 138 00:08:09.079 --> 00:08:09.959 one's ever gonna. 139 00:08:09.759 --> 00:08:12.079 Find anything, you know, or find the money. 140 00:08:12.240 --> 00:08:15.319 Or find the money because it's under tons of lava. 141 00:08:15.839 --> 00:08:16.240 Wow. 142 00:08:16.319 --> 00:08:17.879 I don't think that could happen today. 143 00:08:18.399 --> 00:08:20.920 No, I don't think it would work today, just in 144 00:08:20.959 --> 00:08:22.920 the way. This must have been a different type of 145 00:08:22.959 --> 00:08:26.240 plane too, at a lower altitude. I'm just assuming that's 146 00:08:26.600 --> 00:08:28.319 I just don't think if you'd jumped out of a 147 00:08:28.360 --> 00:08:32.919 plane today, like a modern plane, you'd live. But here's 148 00:08:32.960 --> 00:08:37.600 some theories. If he lived, he executed his plan on 149 00:08:37.679 --> 00:08:42.399 Thanksgiving Eve, ensuring four days to complete the operation. There 150 00:08:42.440 --> 00:08:45.960 are no missing persons reports that match his profile, so 151 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:48.840 he had a clip on his tie that they found 152 00:08:48.840 --> 00:08:52.120 on the plane. There was one hundred percent pure titanium 153 00:08:52.159 --> 00:08:57.480 traces found, and only someone with the aerospace industry would 154 00:08:57.519 --> 00:09:01.320 be exposed to such rare materials, and pure titanium was 155 00:09:01.440 --> 00:09:04.480 used for the Boeing supersonic program that was active at 156 00:09:04.480 --> 00:09:04.879 the time. 157 00:09:05.080 --> 00:09:07.320 And plus he knew how to parachute, so that tells 158 00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:08.720 you like he's into that kind of thing. 159 00:09:08.799 --> 00:09:10.840 Yeah, hmmm hmmm. 160 00:09:12.039 --> 00:09:14.799 Also because some of the money turned up. What's strange 161 00:09:14.799 --> 00:09:17.600 about the money being found is that in that location 162 00:09:17.840 --> 00:09:20.440 is too far off the flight path to have gotten 163 00:09:20.440 --> 00:09:25.679 there without human intervention. It's also suspiciously suggestive that it 164 00:09:25.759 --> 00:09:28.240 appears along the edge of a river, suggesting he must 165 00:09:28.320 --> 00:09:31.720 have drowned. It feels like the money was planted to 166 00:09:31.799 --> 00:09:35.279 throw the FBI off his trail. This is the single 167 00:09:35.320 --> 00:09:38.480 most telling bit of evidence that seems to show that 168 00:09:38.559 --> 00:09:39.320 he survived. 169 00:09:39.600 --> 00:09:41.960 He wants to fake his own death, but the r 170 00:09:42.360 --> 00:09:43.960 there it'll be found eventually. 171 00:09:44.440 --> 00:09:47.360 People speculate he was an experienced jumper because when he 172 00:09:47.440 --> 00:09:49.399 was on the plane. He was remarking that like they 173 00:09:49.399 --> 00:09:52.480 were over Tacoma, like he recognized stuff on the ground 174 00:09:53.279 --> 00:09:56.960 from the sky. Yeah, And he was very calm and 175 00:09:57.120 --> 00:10:00.840 used technology terms that suggested he'd been around aircraft, like 176 00:10:00.879 --> 00:10:03.840 he told the flight crew to fly dirty, which means 177 00:10:03.960 --> 00:10:06.879 wheels down. And then another theory is that he was 178 00:10:06.919 --> 00:10:10.960 Canadian or had strong cultural ties a knowledge of Canada, 179 00:10:11.360 --> 00:10:14.399 because he used the name Dan Cooper as his alias, 180 00:10:14.919 --> 00:10:18.759 which is a French comic book hero that was published 181 00:10:18.759 --> 00:10:21.879 in Canada. And so people are like, ohh, he just 182 00:10:21.919 --> 00:10:24.919 simply returned to Canada or laundered the money up there. 183 00:10:25.960 --> 00:10:28.720 And you know, there's been suspects throughout time, right, Like, 184 00:10:28.879 --> 00:10:31.000 there's so many suspects. I didn't even want to like 185 00:10:31.399 --> 00:10:34.360 list them because they all seem like, Oh, my strange 186 00:10:34.440 --> 00:10:38.360 uncle that just died as dB Cooper. There's also another 187 00:10:38.440 --> 00:10:42.039 theory that I found really funny, that the flight crew 188 00:10:42.120 --> 00:10:44.759 made the whole thing up to get the money. 189 00:10:45.080 --> 00:10:46.519 Wow, Okay, I like that theory. 190 00:10:46.519 --> 00:10:48.720 Hell yeah, I kind of did too. For some reason. 191 00:10:48.960 --> 00:10:51.639 It feels right to me where I was just like, 192 00:10:51.679 --> 00:10:54.279 oh yeah. And then like there's another theory that he 193 00:10:54.320 --> 00:10:56.320 never even got off the plane. Which kind of feels 194 00:10:56.399 --> 00:10:59.279 like the same type of thing where it's like everybody's 195 00:10:59.320 --> 00:11:01.440 in cahoots, which I kind of like. 196 00:11:01.480 --> 00:11:04.320 Did anybody on the ground ever hear him, like his 197 00:11:04.440 --> 00:11:05.240 demands direct? 198 00:11:05.279 --> 00:11:07.399 See That's what I don't know. You can see why 199 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:10.919 this has become like a legend that people, yeah, constantly revisit. 200 00:11:11.679 --> 00:11:14.000 So at this point, I don't think we'll ever know 201 00:11:14.039 --> 00:11:16.720 what really happened, and who wants to know because that 202 00:11:16.720 --> 00:11:20.919 would ruin the story. But all the evidence is open 203 00:11:20.960 --> 00:11:23.279 to the public if you guys want to go investigate that. 204 00:11:23.360 --> 00:11:28.080 Citizen investigators are always all about this, but the crime 205 00:11:28.159 --> 00:11:32.039 remains the only unsolved case of air piracy in commercial 206 00:11:32.080 --> 00:11:33.200 aviation history. 207 00:11:36.519 --> 00:11:39.320 In two thousand and six, there was a story on 208 00:11:39.440 --> 00:11:42.879 Dateline NBC this story We're going to look at Brian Schaffer. 209 00:11:43.600 --> 00:11:47.080 He's a medical student from Ohio State University. It's two 210 00:11:47.120 --> 00:11:51.679 thousand and five and Brian's mom gets diagnosed with cancer. Sadly, 211 00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:54.000 she dies in March of two thousand and six. 212 00:11:54.720 --> 00:11:55.000 Gorse. 213 00:11:55.080 --> 00:11:59.720 The entire family is sad devastated, and Brian is having 214 00:11:59.720 --> 00:12:01.879 a particularly tough time with it. 215 00:12:02.519 --> 00:12:04.320 At one point he even asks his. 216 00:12:04.320 --> 00:12:06.720 Girlfriend, like, do you want to run away? He's just 217 00:12:06.759 --> 00:12:09.440 kind of getting these weird ideas right. They actually had 218 00:12:09.440 --> 00:12:12.600 a trip planned out a gift from Brian's mom actually 219 00:12:12.639 --> 00:12:16.879 before she passed away to Florida for spring break. During 220 00:12:16.919 --> 00:12:20.159 this break, Brian has dinner with his dad, and you 221 00:12:20.159 --> 00:12:23.159 know how it's with parents, sometimes you end up talking 222 00:12:23.159 --> 00:12:27.159 about things like money and tough topics. This one happened 223 00:12:27.159 --> 00:12:29.320 to be about the life insurance that the mother had. 224 00:12:30.159 --> 00:12:32.720 That same night, Like, Brian goes and meets up with 225 00:12:32.799 --> 00:12:36.399 his friend Clint. They go bar hopping. One of his 226 00:12:36.480 --> 00:12:39.080 other friends meets up with both of them, is this. 227 00:12:39.080 --> 00:12:40.200 Woman named it Meredith. 228 00:12:40.639 --> 00:12:42.279 They go from barbi Bar they end up at this 229 00:12:42.320 --> 00:12:46.639 place called Ugly Tuna Saluna in Ohio, which was the 230 00:12:46.720 --> 00:12:49.919 last place that Brian was ever seen. 231 00:12:51.519 --> 00:12:52.279 In the bar scene. 232 00:12:52.279 --> 00:12:53.919 You know how it is sometimes you go out with 233 00:12:53.960 --> 00:12:57.840 friends and people drift away. They come back, they meet others, 234 00:12:57.960 --> 00:13:02.039 they come back, they bring someone else. At one point, 235 00:13:02.240 --> 00:13:05.799 around two am, they realized that Brian isn't with him anymore. 236 00:13:06.559 --> 00:13:09.399 They look all around the bar, They go upstairs, downstairs, 237 00:13:09.399 --> 00:13:09.919 nothing's there. 238 00:13:09.960 --> 00:13:14.000 They go to the bathroom. Nothing. Brian just isn't there. 239 00:13:14.720 --> 00:13:17.639 So they thought that maybe he just walked home because 240 00:13:17.679 --> 00:13:20.519 the apartment wasn't that far six blocks or something like that. 241 00:13:20.720 --> 00:13:23.639 So it was the following Monday they had the trip 242 00:13:23.679 --> 00:13:25.039 that was scheduled. 243 00:13:24.799 --> 00:13:26.039 And Brian didn't show up. 244 00:13:26.799 --> 00:13:29.639 Now you're probably wondering, right, like, why did anybody sound 245 00:13:29.639 --> 00:13:30.080 the alarm? 246 00:13:30.120 --> 00:13:31.000 Like he's been missing. 247 00:13:31.480 --> 00:13:35.159 He had gone through something similar before where he kind 248 00:13:35.159 --> 00:13:37.600 of went away, didn't talk to anybody, so they thought 249 00:13:37.639 --> 00:13:39.039 that this is what he was doing. 250 00:13:39.200 --> 00:13:42.320 Plus it was April first, April Foles. 251 00:13:43.159 --> 00:13:45.159 The family didn't think it was that big of a concern, 252 00:13:45.440 --> 00:13:48.840 and he was an adult. The concern obviously grew. At 253 00:13:48.879 --> 00:13:51.960 the airport, They're like, h isn't he here? So they 254 00:13:51.960 --> 00:13:53.960 filed a report. They do all the things, they get 255 00:13:53.960 --> 00:13:57.799 it signed to a detective, and thankfully Columbus. 256 00:13:57.399 --> 00:13:59.679 Ohio has a ton on cameras. 257 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:05.919 They look an alleys, shelters, dumpsters. 258 00:14:05.399 --> 00:14:08.279 Hospitals, Brian is it anywhere? 259 00:14:09.120 --> 00:14:11.440 The last footage when they go through everything, the last 260 00:14:11.480 --> 00:14:13.879 thing they see of him was at two am. He 261 00:14:14.000 --> 00:14:17.639 was outside of the Ugly Tuna Saluna. He was talking 262 00:14:17.679 --> 00:14:20.200 to two women who were these two women maybe he 263 00:14:20.279 --> 00:14:22.480 knew them, maybe they were just friends. I mean they're 264 00:14:22.519 --> 00:14:24.360 just like, oh, do you have a light, you know, 265 00:14:24.480 --> 00:14:26.720 that's how you meet a lot of people. The strangest 266 00:14:26.720 --> 00:14:30.120 part here is that there is no footage of him 267 00:14:30.559 --> 00:14:32.879 leaving the barlock. So he goes in and then that's it. 268 00:14:33.039 --> 00:14:37.639 He just never left. This is part of the theories 269 00:14:37.679 --> 00:14:39.919 that are out there. First one, some say that he 270 00:14:40.000 --> 00:14:43.120 wandered off into a construction site that was just outside 271 00:14:43.120 --> 00:14:46.159 of the back door, the one that wasn't monitored by 272 00:14:46.159 --> 00:14:48.759 a security camera. But they say that he stumbled out, 273 00:14:48.799 --> 00:14:51.000 maybe he was drunk and he hurt himself, but the 274 00:14:51.120 --> 00:14:55.000 search was cadaver dogs and nothing was found. How they 275 00:14:55.039 --> 00:14:58.759 say that if he managed to escape the construction site, 276 00:14:59.039 --> 00:15:02.720 he got robbed, murder, abducted, or killed himself. The other 277 00:15:02.759 --> 00:15:07.360 one is the jump cut. Now, there was a part 278 00:15:07.360 --> 00:15:10.120 of the video and the security footage of the exit 279 00:15:10.679 --> 00:15:13.159 where it just gets skipped like it's a certain time 280 00:15:13.200 --> 00:15:14.240 and then all of a sudden, it's. 281 00:15:14.120 --> 00:15:17.519 Like could be the camera was off. 282 00:15:17.720 --> 00:15:19.159 It could be like a bunch of things where like 283 00:15:19.200 --> 00:15:21.679 the recording stops and then you're like, oh, the recording. 284 00:15:21.320 --> 00:15:23.240 Stops, so you like press it again and starts recording. 285 00:15:23.600 --> 00:15:25.759 But there was an employee, a guard that was there 286 00:15:25.840 --> 00:15:28.480 the whole night and said that nobody used the exits 287 00:15:29.000 --> 00:15:32.080 like by the construction site. But it's like during that cut, 288 00:15:32.120 --> 00:15:33.519 could he have exited the other way? 289 00:15:34.120 --> 00:15:34.399 Right? 290 00:15:34.600 --> 00:15:38.639 The other theory I think is a little interesting. It's 291 00:15:38.720 --> 00:15:43.200 a fight with Clint as friend. So it's like some 292 00:15:43.240 --> 00:15:46.440 people had mentioned it, but when he was questioned a 293 00:15:46.559 --> 00:15:50.240 Clint was questioned about it, he decided to get a lawyer. 294 00:15:51.080 --> 00:15:52.879 At first, he was like helping out. He's like, yeah, 295 00:15:52.879 --> 00:15:55.879 this happened, has happened. But then they started really pressuring 296 00:15:55.919 --> 00:15:57.559 him and he was like, no, I want a lawyer. 297 00:15:58.000 --> 00:16:00.360 He refused to take a light detector test. He just 298 00:16:00.399 --> 00:16:02.559 didn't want to talk. He was just like, Nope, you're 299 00:16:02.559 --> 00:16:05.360 gonna have to go through my lawyer, which is something 300 00:16:05.440 --> 00:16:08.639 that is within his rights, Like he doesn't have to 301 00:16:08.799 --> 00:16:10.240 Like this is kind of a rule here. 302 00:16:11.000 --> 00:16:13.360 I wouldn't talk either. I wouldn't say anything unless I 303 00:16:13.919 --> 00:16:14.440 get a lawyer. 304 00:16:14.600 --> 00:16:18.320 Media can't fire story cares, the police are not your friends. 305 00:16:18.399 --> 00:16:20.200 Get a lawyer immediately. 306 00:16:20.639 --> 00:16:23.000 Don't answer any questions, whether it's a crime involved. 307 00:16:22.639 --> 00:16:24.559 Ever ever ever, get a lawyer. 308 00:16:24.879 --> 00:16:26.960 The other theory a new life. 309 00:16:27.519 --> 00:16:31.399 Maybe he just decided to leave no trace and start fresh. 310 00:16:31.600 --> 00:16:32.879 Bring that up to his girlfriend. 311 00:16:33.000 --> 00:16:34.960 He said he wanted to leave, and he said to 312 00:16:35.000 --> 00:16:38.039 break up. So maybe it's just there's logic, like he 313 00:16:38.120 --> 00:16:40.559 might have had his reason again his mom had just died. 314 00:16:41.240 --> 00:16:43.799 But then again, if your mom had just died, why 315 00:16:43.840 --> 00:16:45.159 are you out bar hopping? 316 00:16:45.759 --> 00:16:47.720 Eh? I know a lot of people have done that. 317 00:16:47.799 --> 00:16:50.919 People just deal with grief in different ways, especially if 318 00:16:50.960 --> 00:16:51.799 you're an alcoholic. 319 00:16:52.159 --> 00:16:52.440 Dang. 320 00:16:52.519 --> 00:16:54.279 Yeah, No for me, I would be like, I don't 321 00:16:54.279 --> 00:16:55.639 feel like doing anything, Like it's. 322 00:16:55.519 --> 00:16:56.759 Hard to get me out of the house. 323 00:16:57.159 --> 00:16:57.279 Right. 324 00:16:57.440 --> 00:16:58.720 Maybe also, this is a theory. 325 00:16:58.759 --> 00:17:00.879 What if you told Clint about like, oh, yeah, I 326 00:17:00.879 --> 00:17:03.120 want to leave and I want to disappear. I want 327 00:17:03.159 --> 00:17:05.200 to start a new life, but don't tell anybody. 328 00:17:05.640 --> 00:17:08.799 Yeah, And maybe Clint was like, Okay, well let's do this. 329 00:17:09.559 --> 00:17:11.119 You know, maybe he's been on the whole thing. 330 00:17:11.319 --> 00:17:13.519 There are also some clues though, like when they actually 331 00:17:13.519 --> 00:17:16.079 when it disappeared, they kept calling his phone. For a 332 00:17:16.079 --> 00:17:18.480 few months, they kept calling his phone and it wouldn't ring. 333 00:17:18.519 --> 00:17:21.920 It would just go straight to voicemail until one night 334 00:17:22.880 --> 00:17:28.000 it rang three times. Investigators got involved and they pinged. 335 00:17:28.000 --> 00:17:30.400 They were able to find where the phone pinged. By 336 00:17:30.440 --> 00:17:32.960 the way, this is when like the cell towers recognized 337 00:17:33.039 --> 00:17:35.880 like where you are kind of anyway, it turned out 338 00:17:35.920 --> 00:17:39.240 to be that the phone was in a place called Hilliard, 339 00:17:39.400 --> 00:17:43.000 fourty miles away from where he disappeared. Since then, there's 340 00:17:43.039 --> 00:17:46.119 no more like, there's no news, like he's just gone. 341 00:17:46.559 --> 00:17:49.839 The tragedy, though, still continued. Two years after that, two 342 00:17:49.839 --> 00:17:54.079 thousand and eight, in September, there's a windstorm and a 343 00:17:54.119 --> 00:17:58.960 tree fell on Brian's dad, Randy. It just killed him. 344 00:17:59.279 --> 00:17:59.839 Dang. 345 00:18:00.480 --> 00:18:03.559 And for the funeral they had this online guest book 346 00:18:04.079 --> 00:18:07.079 and that's where they found this message that said Dad, 347 00:18:07.240 --> 00:18:12.000 I love you, Love Brian, and in parentheses it said 348 00:18:12.359 --> 00:18:13.920 US Virgin Islands. 349 00:18:14.200 --> 00:18:14.880 Huh. 350 00:18:14.920 --> 00:18:16.720 But they looked it up and it turns out the 351 00:18:16.720 --> 00:18:19.599 post was written from a computer in Franklin County, which 352 00:18:19.599 --> 00:18:22.119 I don't know how far that is from where this happened. 353 00:18:22.640 --> 00:18:24.920 But that was the end of it. They're like, was 354 00:18:24.960 --> 00:18:25.880 this some cruel joke? 355 00:18:26.599 --> 00:18:27.559 Yeah? 356 00:18:27.960 --> 00:18:28.640 Was it Brian? 357 00:18:29.240 --> 00:18:39.799 Maybe? Oh? No, Fan corner and fan Corner, Oh, we 358 00:18:39.839 --> 00:18:43.240 have an update from Petrulli Drop. They have great chemistry, 359 00:18:43.319 --> 00:18:46.079 they're funny, they cover topics well. Also, I haven't heard 360 00:18:46.079 --> 00:18:49.039 any fake or forced laughter. I don't know what those 361 00:18:49.079 --> 00:18:52.079 reviews are about it was an early review. I remember 362 00:18:52.119 --> 00:18:58.440 that some people were commenting on yours truly speaking style. Anyway, 363 00:18:58.920 --> 00:19:03.559 Petully Drop updated this comment update, loving the new format. 364 00:19:04.039 --> 00:19:09.079 Hope y'all keep it up. Skull Fairy, Elf, Unicorn and 365 00:19:09.200 --> 00:19:10.240 ghost emoji. 366 00:19:11.000 --> 00:19:15.119 We did get a couple of new comments on some 367 00:19:15.240 --> 00:19:18.440 of the older episodes. Oh, for example, this one on 368 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:22.200 the real origins of black Cat superstitions. There's one from 369 00:19:22.279 --> 00:19:25.759 Ben Duffy that says, bird guy here, I'm forever worried 370 00:19:25.799 --> 00:19:30.200 about how my parrot Boyo will meet his inevitable demise. 371 00:19:30.519 --> 00:19:31.960 He turned five yesterday. 372 00:19:32.480 --> 00:19:34.960 Birds always have a terrible end. I don't know. 373 00:19:34.839 --> 00:19:38.160 Why, and should live for another twenty five years. We 374 00:19:38.240 --> 00:19:41.039 shall see. Oh that is so sad. I don't know why. 375 00:19:41.079 --> 00:19:43.440 I just because they always die in a weird way. 376 00:19:43.519 --> 00:19:45.759 I don't know why that is with birds. It's like 377 00:19:45.799 --> 00:19:48.559 you'll dive bomb into boiling water or something like that. 378 00:19:48.680 --> 00:19:50.000 Like you'll be like, what the. 379 00:19:50.119 --> 00:19:54.440 Fuck You're twenty five more years of Boyo. Yeah. 380 00:19:54.680 --> 00:19:59.039 Casey Stockdale says, Hello, Edwin and Michelle. My name is Casey, 381 00:19:59.079 --> 00:20:00.400 and I just wanted to say how much I love 382 00:20:00.440 --> 00:20:03.119 your podcast. You guys are so funny and I always 383 00:20:03.160 --> 00:20:05.599 listen and wait for new podcasts. Edwin, I have listened 384 00:20:05.640 --> 00:20:08.240 to all of your other podcasts start to finish, Michelle, 385 00:20:08.240 --> 00:20:10.440 I am going to listen to your podcast next. Thank 386 00:20:10.480 --> 00:20:14.640 you guys for being so amazing and always making me laugh. Wow, 387 00:20:14.920 --> 00:20:16.000 so sweet do you think you? 388 00:20:16.160 --> 00:20:18.200 Yeah? I love it when people are sweet. 389 00:20:18.240 --> 00:20:20.920 On the Would you visit a ghost Town episode? 390 00:20:21.119 --> 00:20:21.559 Oh? 391 00:20:21.720 --> 00:20:25.119 Yoda is saying, I want to go to Chernobyl. 392 00:20:25.640 --> 00:20:28.279 All right, make sure you had your kids already. 393 00:20:27.920 --> 00:20:30.160 Cuz you know, bring me a key chain. 394 00:20:30.599 --> 00:20:35.160 Yeah, well, do you want a key chain from Chernobyl Vibe? 395 00:20:35.359 --> 00:20:37.319 That's your choice. You do what you want to do 396 00:20:37.400 --> 00:20:38.599 and tell us all about it. 397 00:20:38.640 --> 00:20:41.240 Thanks all all for your comments and for following and 398 00:20:41.839 --> 00:20:43.599 leading reviews where you can. 399 00:20:43.680 --> 00:20:46.920 Definitely give us five stars. We're working on our algorithm 400 00:20:46.960 --> 00:20:47.640 correction and. 401 00:20:47.599 --> 00:20:49.759