Speaker 1: Hey guys, Dan are here. Thanks for checking out the show. Now.
Speaker 1: Some of you may or may not be aware, but
Speaker 1: back in twenty fifteen, I launched this podcast with my
Speaker 1: co host at the time, Mitch, and we reviewed every
Speaker 1: episode of the first ten seasons, released a book called
Speaker 1: Homer's Odyssey and am Big and Simpson's Guide, and pretty
Speaker 1: much just lay the foundation for what has become the
Speaker 1: four Finger Discount Network. Fast forward to twenty twenty, Mitch
Speaker 1: decided to take a break from podcasting to focus on
Speaker 1: things like family and work, and that's where Guy entered
Speaker 1: the equation and has been doing a sensational job since
Speaker 1: and we'll continue to do so. But now six years later,
Speaker 1: Mitch is also back, and he and I are kicking
Speaker 1: off where we left off by reviewing season eleven of
Speaker 1: The Simpsons and onwards exclusively for our Patreon. We just
Speaker 1: released our review of Guesses Coming to Criticizedda, a really
Speaker 1: fun episode which you're going to be getting a sneak
Speaker 1: peek at here. And if you like what you hear
Speaker 1: and you want to hear more Mitch and Dando each
Speaker 1: and every month, you can do so by joining the
Speaker 1: four Finger Discount family on Patreon, where all of your
Speaker 1: support is much appreciated and is so pivotal to the
Speaker 1: survival of the forefinger discount that way, But thank you
Speaker 1: again for checking out the show, and I hope you
Speaker 1: enjoy Mitch and Danda reviewing. Guess who's coming to criticize you?
Speaker 1: See you all next week with Guy.
Speaker 2: Well least you like the food.
Speaker 1: Oh I like food, alright. I like Pitza, I like Babelds.
Speaker 3: I like hot dogs with mustard and bee.
Speaker 2: I get the picture.
Speaker 1: Charlie day Plan, I couldn't even need a baby.
Speaker 3: De la la la la la.
Speaker 1: Who's that baby?
Speaker 2: Do you run the lower four finger discounting?
Speaker 1: Once in a great while, we are privileged to experience
Speaker 1: a podcast event so extraordinary it becomes part of our
Speaker 1: shared heritage. Twenty ten The concept of true crime podcast
Speaker 1: is twenty thirteen, Mark Maroon releases these first podcast episode.
Speaker 1: Then for a long time, nothing happened until tonight. Behold
Speaker 1: the future of podcasting. It's a bitch. Hey, he's back.
Speaker 3: Nothing happened that includes our own.
Speaker 1: Show it when we only released a book.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can see that there.
Speaker 1: It's nice.
Speaker 3: It's nice to be back, Dando. It's necessary to be back. Truthfully,
Speaker 3: I've fallen on half times.
Speaker 1: Why are you here?
Speaker 3: Well, a lot of people won't know this, but I've
Speaker 3: actually spent the last five or six years operating Jackie.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 3: This is a little bit of an industry insider thing.
Speaker 3: She is not a real human. She's a very early
Speaker 3: AI model, but they didn't have the processing power back
Speaker 3: then to handle movement of speech. So I see it
Speaker 3: in a control booth and I kind of move her
Speaker 3: around the Kiss FM studios. It was the only way
Speaker 3: they could get anyone to spend that much time in
Speaker 3: a room with Kyle Sandalance. Year after year after year.
Speaker 3: It was if they weren't real. But now that's all
Speaker 3: fucked up, so I've lost my payday. Sophie Monk, I
Speaker 3: applied for that, but that guy, the guy that controls her,
Speaker 3: is on a watertight contract. So sitting at home thinking
Speaker 3: what am I gonna do? And then out of the blue,
Speaker 3: you sent me a message. She said, look, I'll buy
Speaker 3: you a tank of fuel if you come around and
Speaker 3: record six hundred hours worth of podcast And I was like,
Speaker 3: that seems like it's a pretty good hourly rate. So
Speaker 3: here I am.
Speaker 1: Kyl Sanderlands would you rather drop your pants for food
Speaker 1: or work with Kyl Sanders?
Speaker 3: I would rather drop my pants for prison.
Speaker 1: A Stables's character, whoever that was in OZ? What was
Speaker 1: Stables character?
Speaker 3: I don't know. OZ is a traumatic experience for me
Speaker 3: is like a nightmare that you blank on as soon
Speaker 3: as you wake up, and all that you know happened
Speaker 3: is that you were sweating and afraid.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I remember watching every episode and then I sort
Speaker 1: of forgot about the show and we watched SVU for
Speaker 1: years back, and I was like a stable you turn to.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, Oz, Oh my god, what was
Speaker 1: the one blood of my dick or shitter my knife? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: my dick or blood of my knife.
Speaker 3: Whatever you whatever it is, whatever it is, neither of
Speaker 3: those things should be about it. I was what did
Speaker 3: I watched yesterday during number two? And Jak goan, Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's pretty good. But JK. Simmons is just kind of
Speaker 3: lovely in it, and it's just I can't compute it
Speaker 3: because his OZ character still rains so large and everything
Speaker 3: that he's ever done.
Speaker 1: We're talking to Billy West about him recently, because he's
Speaker 1: the yellow Eminem and Billy is the red I did
Speaker 1: not know that. Yeah, and that's where they did he
Speaker 1: take over from. No, he was the very He's always
Speaker 1: been the yellow eminem and Billy's always been the red.
Speaker 3: Why did I think Phil Harmon was involved in the eminems?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Phil Harmon was going to be Zap Brannigan before he passed,
Speaker 1: and then Billy obviously was given a role and it
Speaker 1: was a Phil Hartmon tribute. Is that Brannigan for futuremer
Speaker 1: But no, they've always been the eminem But he said, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's absolutely lovely to work for with. Yeah, okay, interesting,
Speaker 1: but we're here today to review which episode because what
Speaker 1: happened is we started a podcast in twenty fifteen and
Speaker 1: after a few years or you got to the point
Speaker 1: where you stopped watching The Simpsons. Yeah, on a regular basis.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we got past the point that I had connected
Speaker 3: with it from from my youth, and it felt like
Speaker 3: too big of a transition, particularly because we were just
Speaker 3: doing this week on week on week that suddenly I
Speaker 3: had stepped into a period where I was like, I
Speaker 3: don't think I'm going to be able to give the
Speaker 3: best take on this to the audience that for what
Speaker 3: they're gonna.
Speaker 1: Want, I think this is the first time since you
Speaker 1: left the show that you've recorded a Simpsons podcast review
Speaker 1: in this room. I think it is, Yeah, because we
Speaker 1: did it over zoom or whatever it was, and it's
Speaker 1: just not the same. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well like COVID had happened around that time, and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you left and the inn COVID appened.
Speaker 3: Yeah, not only that, it's the first time I've been
Speaker 3: to the house for quite a while. Like I come here,
Speaker 3: there's a hold and parked out the front. You don't
Speaker 3: have a novelty door mat Genuinely.
Speaker 1: It's like I grew up. We've got books on his shelf.
Speaker 3: I mean books about the Simpsons, but still.
Speaker 1: Actually and other things. Got warning book up there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Patrick Stewarts in Curry's book Michael Richards book talk about
Speaker 1: Michael Richards.
Speaker 3: I think so he came.
Speaker 1: The time has passed right over that didn't. I feel
Speaker 1: like he's been forgived. It was him he had to
Speaker 1: get over our reaction to it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, i'd certainly I think that if you
Speaker 3: talk in power rankings, that Michael Richards is above Will
Speaker 3: Smith or something like that in terms of.
Speaker 1: Things that have happened since you left. Will Smith's career
Speaker 1: is worse than ours.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, he won an Academy Award and then blew
Speaker 3: his career up in the same night.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, so he no, he did it first. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it all happened on the same night. You're right,
Speaker 1: But it's like he won the award. Everyone's like, do
Speaker 1: we clap?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not what you want as the first actor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't wasn't great. But so I've had another child.
Speaker 1: Both my children are now starting school. You've had a child.
Speaker 3: I've had a child.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was never on the cards when you're
Speaker 1: doing the podcast. No, you were not going to become
Speaker 1: a father.
Speaker 3: So there's probably some very incriminating evidence of.
Speaker 1: Me on record. I don't go back and listen to
Speaker 1: the old ones. People are like, he should go back
Speaker 1: and like cut out because you guys are always talking
Speaker 1: about big Big Roddy's ribbon, ribbons shack whatever it was called.
Speaker 3: Look, I actually take pride in the fact that we've
Speaker 3: outlasted a lot of our sponsors.
Speaker 1: They're still going though, are they. Yeah, you'ready still going
Speaker 1: on your ruddy Yeah? Were you? No, you didn't come
Speaker 1: I never went there, no, Yeah, because I was in Queensland.
Speaker 1: My friends with Friends. Yeah, I just gave us so
Speaker 1: much ribs it was great. Yeah, yeah, I mentioned Big
Speaker 1: Rodd's ribs again. Maybe even get in touch with it.
Speaker 1: They can sponsor this show. Do you reckon? Is this
Speaker 1: isn't four finger discount? What is this now?
Speaker 3: Is it not fourth finger discount?
Speaker 1: Well? Fourthing a discount is like the I guess it is.
Speaker 1: It's like a it's weird because this is the original
Speaker 1: fourthinger discounting. But it's like, is this this is exclusive
Speaker 1: for Patreon? Is this like a sub category of fourthing
Speaker 1: a discount? Was it just I'll just go back to
Speaker 1: the archive and wipe everything that guy did for the
Speaker 1: last five years. I don't know I made the fifth
Speaker 1: Finger now Nah, I don't think so finger. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: But basically what we're doing is we're going to be
Speaker 1: kicking off because we tried did a soft launch about
Speaker 1: two or three years ago. Yeah, and it didn't work
Speaker 1: out because it was just too hard working around. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Lex was too young.
Speaker 3: Your Lex was too young. You booked Grock and then
Speaker 3: suddenly I slipped down the contacts list.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, and it wasn't happening. But now we're here,
Speaker 1: so we're going to be doing this twice a month.
Speaker 1: Are going to start with guess who's went to criticized
Speaker 1: in it? Which I thought was't a good episode of
Speaker 1: kick Off for you, in particular because you're a I'd
Speaker 1: call you a foodie.
Speaker 3: A foodie and a snob, yes, the same thing, right,
Speaker 3: they go hand in hand.
Speaker 1: Can you be a foodie and not be a snob?
Speaker 3: Though Homer managed for the first half of this episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, until the other s's so good. That's the thing
Speaker 1: with being a critic, right do you think do you
Speaker 1: buy into the mentality of you have to critique? I
Speaker 1: think if you like everything, then you tell everyone that
Speaker 1: you like every well.
Speaker 3: I think you can critique and still be positive like
Speaker 3: a critique. Oh, let's say that you can give feedback.
Speaker 3: I kind of see critique as being an overall piece
Speaker 3: of good and bad if there is any bad, but
Speaker 3: if there's no bad. I think if you're a critic
Speaker 3: and you're coming into something with the mentality of I
Speaker 3: need to find something to dislike, then you'll do a
Speaker 3: pretty shitty job of being a critic. And I think
Speaker 3: back to when you were running the website and I
Speaker 3: wrote a few video game critiques back then that I
Speaker 3: approached it from the angle of who is this for?
Speaker 1: And did you really which video games did you critique? Oh,
Speaker 1: did you do Batman, Arkhemasylum or something like that.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I did that. I did Lego something, okay, Lego,
Speaker 3: Jurassic Park. Maybe there were a couple others. I also
Speaker 3: did some TV shows from memory back in the day.
Speaker 3: But but yeah, for me, it's kind of that thing
Speaker 3: of I would rather a review that tells me what
Speaker 3: sort of person would like this, And I think that
Speaker 3: there's a way that you can do that without having
Speaker 3: to shit on what it doesn't do.
Speaker 1: I've seen people critique Kevin Smith because they say he
Speaker 1: only ever talks positive about things, and his response was, well,
Speaker 1: only review stuff that I enjoy. Yeah, I can see it,
Speaker 1: because he goes, I haven't got time to waste energy
Speaker 1: on negativity. If I know I'm not going to like it,
Speaker 1: I't bother talking about it. Do you buy into that mantra?
Speaker 3: I mean it wouldn't work for all shows, but yeah,
Speaker 3: I do like Kevin's doing it by choice. His show
Speaker 3: is not a review show. It's a pop culture show
Speaker 3: where he talks about what interests him.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So yeah, in that sense, why wouldn't you only talk
Speaker 3: about stuff that you like. I have heard Kevin talk
Speaker 3: about being you know, there'll be movies that have come
Speaker 3: up where it's like this is right in the wheelhouse,
Speaker 3: and we have to talk about this, and maybe it sucked.
Speaker 3: What was the Snyder verse? Well, it's just included all
Speaker 3: of the Snyder verse and all of the reasons that
Speaker 3: that might have criticism. But he's even that, he still
Speaker 3: kind of finds a way to be like, you know,
Speaker 3: I dug this, I like this bit, and it kind
Speaker 3: of is what is left unsaid there because it's there's
Speaker 3: a difference between looking for the positives and then lying
Speaker 3: to say that something was awesome, Like it's it's easy
Speaker 3: to go, yeah, like I liked this and this about it?
Speaker 3: Was it what I wanted overall? No, but this is
Speaker 3: good And if that's your thing, then go watch it.
Speaker 1: What's what shits me about? So many you see it
Speaker 1: with younger film critics now on Instagram and TikTok and whatnot.
Speaker 1: Everything is the best of something now. I saw a
Speaker 1: lot when the Superman movie came out, the recent one,
Speaker 1: I was the best superhero movie in decades. I'm like,
Speaker 1: is it though? It was? It? Just you're just saying
Speaker 1: that so you get free to get to the.
Speaker 3: Next yir Now, it was just pretty a superhero movie?
Speaker 1: Was it any good? Because you're a Superman god? I
Speaker 1: enjoyed it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like for me, it was better than Superman Returns.
Speaker 1: That was your favorite of the recent ones, wasn't it? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Like, I, for all of its flaws, I still preferred
Speaker 3: that over any of the Cavil films because it had optimism.
Speaker 1: So I think you can think Nolan for that. I
Speaker 1: reckon the lack of optimism and superhero movie.
Speaker 3: It's an interesting one that actually, because no one's normally
Speaker 3: pretty good at tapping in to what a character actually is.
Speaker 3: So like, I don't think that he painted that with
Speaker 3: a bleak brush. I'd be curious to know how much
Speaker 3: of a producer's hand he had on that versus how
Speaker 3: much of it was just. I also think that as
Speaker 3: a director, he'd probably be less inclined to try to
Speaker 3: shape another director's vision. If he wanted to tell his
Speaker 3: Superman movie, he would have just said old direct But yeah,
Speaker 3: so Superman one and two and then this one's called
Speaker 3: Man of Steel.
Speaker 1: The old one old one. It was just for Superman,
Speaker 1: wasn't it?
Speaker 3: Is it just called Superman very well?
Speaker 1: Might have been.
Speaker 3: That's a memorable it was, yeah, and Returns and it's
Speaker 3: just course Returns because it's a beautiful homage to my
Speaker 3: favorite ones, but it's also weaker overall.
Speaker 1: I have you been to any recent films. I'm going
Speaker 1: to go see Project Hail Mary heard it's great.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'm keen for that. I love that book.
Speaker 1: That was really really good. Large a song sung Blue
Speaker 1: ops it on the podcast I Haven't See. I saw
Speaker 1: the ads and stuff and thought, oh, it's Neil Diamond biopic.
Speaker 1: It's not. It's about the story of a Neil Diamond
Speaker 1: cover band, yeah, and just the chaos of their life.
Speaker 1: And it's actually great.
Speaker 3: Okay, h No, I missed Avatar. I double booked. I
Speaker 3: was going to go see Avatar three D. I actually
Speaker 3: was in Bali and that was on the low. There
Speaker 3: was an IMAX over in Bali. Now in snore like
Speaker 3: five Australian dollars to go see Avatar in three D
Speaker 3: in Imax over there.
Speaker 1: It's just a twenty dollars Amazon projector just like pulled
Speaker 1: really far back.
Speaker 3: Well, I never found out because it was only on
Speaker 3: the first night that we arrived and I was pretty cooked,
Speaker 3: so I was like I saw it was like great,
Speaker 3: I'll come back in two days and saying I'll.
Speaker 1: Go a little later. I'll go a little later.
Speaker 3: And when I came back, they were only playing mothering heights.
Speaker 1: Isn't not funny how that moment just sticks with you.
Speaker 1: It's like it's the perfect thing to use when you
Speaker 1: when you just leave something for too long. I'll go
Speaker 1: a little later with your chicken. Yes exactly. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: become I'm sure this will be in the edit. But
Speaker 1: Dando just ran out on me. He left chicken in
Speaker 1: the other The first person done this too. It's happened
Speaker 1: regular times. I've been put chicken in the oven. Late thing.
Speaker 1: I'm just like cooking chicken podcast. The chicken I didn't
Speaker 1: cook this likeily this time wasn't my fault. Nicola went
Speaker 1: out for dinner, which like, I've put some chicken in
Speaker 1: the oven and needs to be cooking. He's keep an
Speaker 1: eye on it. I'm like, well, I'm about to start
Speaker 1: recording your podcast. But okay, what I enjoyed the most
Speaker 1: that again was my scuttle No it was that you
Speaker 1: heard the chicken. So you have your headphones on, and
Speaker 1: you didn't look at your not wearing a watch. You
Speaker 1: didn't look at the time, you didn't look at your laptop.
Speaker 1: You went, I've got to take some chicken out. You
Speaker 1: can hear putting. Oh's a funny story about Superman. So
Speaker 1: the kids love Superman one, and I've got all four
Speaker 1: on four K, and they wanted to watch Superman two. Okay,
Speaker 1: don't putting it in. And I didn't say Superman two
Speaker 1: for a long time. Maybe i'd opened it. I hadn't
Speaker 1: watched a four K probably on the cut or the Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's I think it's the only version you get on
Speaker 1: four K. And you know I put the disk in.
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there. I'm sort of like cooking their getting
Speaker 1: their lunch, eating and stuff, and I'm watching them like, man,
Speaker 1: this ship. This weird. I don't remember it's being It's
Speaker 1: a really weird start anyway, watching it, Richard prior, Oh ship,
Speaker 1: I'm like Richard, Oh no, the Supman three.
Speaker 3: The only the only saving grace for the kids is
Speaker 3: that you left them somewhere to go.
Speaker 1: Yes. The thing is the covers look so similar because
Speaker 1: they released them all though very similar, just a Superman
Speaker 1: one Superman two. I just grabbed it because obviously I
Speaker 1: put it on the shlf on the wrong spots. I
Speaker 1: just grabbed it, didn't look and I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't remember being this weird at the start, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I've got Obviously Superman two went in and the kids
Speaker 1: loved it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, good. And then I actually still have
Speaker 3: a soft spot for four. What's so bad that the
Speaker 3: Quest for Quest for Peace Superman verse? He throws all
Speaker 3: of the nuclear bombs in the world into the sun,
Speaker 3: And don't we need that right now? Yeah?
Speaker 1: We really do. Yeah. Anyway, what do you think of
Speaker 1: this episode? I guess who's come to criticized dinner? So
Speaker 1: this is how much Simpsons have you watched since leaving
Speaker 1: the podcast at all? You haven't shown lex any.
Speaker 3: Best part of it. I did turn it on for it,
Speaker 3: just to see if she'd be visually interested in it.
Speaker 1: Old or new ones, because the new one is more
Speaker 1: visually stimulating, I think.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, Now I went with I don't know what,
Speaker 3: something from probably season three or four. I was trying
Speaker 3: to I was actually it was just a point where
Speaker 3: I was flicking around and seeing what sticks.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: What she did like was BoJack Horseman. Really got into
Speaker 3: the visuals of that. And I think the opening theme song.
Speaker 1: Because putting the Simpsons on now for my kids like
Speaker 1: the old ones, is the equivalent of my mum putting
Speaker 1: on like a Scooby Doo cartoon visually. Yeah, it looks scratchy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I haven't watched much at all.
Speaker 3: I have probably, just like for pleasure, watched a handful
Speaker 3: of episodes over the last few years. I think the
Speaker 3: last one that I watched was it She and Scratchy
Speaker 3: in March season two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think doing the podcast made you want
Speaker 1: to watch the show list less?
Speaker 3: I needed to put some distance between myself and the show, Yeah,
Speaker 3: to be able to try to just watch it and
Speaker 3: be entertained by it again as opposed I'm.
Speaker 1: Only just starting to be able to do that. The
Speaker 1: thing is, I think I'll put on for the kids,
Speaker 1: and my kids are old enough where they can sort
Speaker 1: of understand some of the jokes and whatnot, and seeing
Speaker 1: them enjoy it for the first time and sort of
Speaker 1: living by carefully through that and stuff like I put
Speaker 1: Who Shot Mister Burns on? And they didn't know what
Speaker 1: it was like, this is cool seeing kids, seeing my
Speaker 1: kids experience the same way I did.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think when lex is a couple of years older,
Speaker 3: that will be something that I do really look forward to.
Speaker 3: There's a few things like that. Actually I kind of
Speaker 3: have like a not actually written down, but I have
Speaker 3: a mental list.
Speaker 1: Of movies to show her what's your bocket.
Speaker 3: List based on various points of her life. I was
Speaker 3: thinking about how cool it's going to be a show.
Speaker 1: I still haven't shown all yet, but he watched out
Speaker 1: the first thirty minutes. He sort of turned a me
Speaker 1: in his like when did the dinosaurs start? And I
Speaker 1: was like, forty minutes in, there's barely any dinosaurs. There
Speaker 1: aren't much that many dinosaurs in this movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I suppose that is something where the pacing
Speaker 3: of films is really different these days.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a weird one.
Speaker 3: With Jurassic Park. You need to get in maybe a
Speaker 3: little earlier than you otherwise would, because part of you
Speaker 3: might be like, dinosaurs is going to scare a five
Speaker 3: year old, But if that five year old turns into
Speaker 3: an eight year old who's seen a bunch of other
Speaker 3: hyperactive movies where there's like, shit's got to happen in
Speaker 3: the first five minutes or they're not going to keep
Speaker 3: watching and they'll stop streaming. Then you've kind of primed
Speaker 3: them to go. Be like if you and I sat
Speaker 3: down right now to watch Lawrence of Arabia, Yeah, like,
Speaker 3: when's Lawrence going to fire a gun?
Speaker 1: Skip intro? Speaking of right, so, because kids just don't
Speaker 1: like sitting through credits, but I put Space on my
Speaker 1: kids lost Space Jam right, you know, it's bright's colorful
Speaker 1: shit going on. And Ali had a couple of friends
Speaker 1: over I mentioned some on the podcast. Another one we
Speaker 1: did or did Big Guy and he had two friends.
Speaker 1: Once they're fine, but the intro came on, It's like, no,
Speaker 1: fucking MJ's doing slam dunks. You've got the Space Jam
Speaker 1: song playing. It's great. This kid's just like push the
Speaker 1: button skip intro. I'm like, are you out of your mind? Child?
Speaker 1: It's Michael Jordan doing slam dunks to the Space Jam song.
Speaker 1: He's like, skip intro. When do we skip intro?
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, I can't tolerate that. And Lex will
Speaker 3: not grow up and a skip intro household. Yeah that
Speaker 3: the intro sets the tying as the little as you
Speaker 3: removes boosh gets the senses going.
Speaker 1: And we sound like old men shaking their fistic cloud.
Speaker 1: But it's very important, Like trained my kids to realize,
Speaker 1: you don't skip the intros.
Speaker 3: You are gonna watch this feather float through the air
Speaker 3: for five fucking minutes before Tom Hanks speaks, and you're
Speaker 3: gonna enjoy every second of it.
Speaker 1: See my kids have, they've watched every episode of Fresh Prince.
Speaker 1: They stream the share the Fresh Prince.
Speaker 3: They get that intro.
Speaker 1: The first time I put they skipped intro, I was like,
Speaker 1: give me the remote, hold the phone. I went back
Speaker 1: to the start and I said, you do not skip
Speaker 1: this one. Do never skip this one actually tells you
Speaker 1: the story. And now they lost into in the car like, ah,
Speaker 1: oh shit. Intros are actually there's a point to them.
Speaker 3: But you watch chasing how quickly that happened. Where Like
Speaker 3: not long ago, Game of Thrones was praised for its intro. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and we have five six years later and no one
Speaker 3: be paying any attention to it. Yeah he was when
Speaker 3: the breaking bad music kicked in and things like that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: at least that short. Yes, we're watch taking bad as
Speaker 3: a self skipping intro see how.
Speaker 1: Guilty Pleasure show is s for you? Nicola and I
Speaker 1: we'll watch it, watch it all the time, but we
Speaker 1: will put it on occasionally. And the other night Nicola
Speaker 1: like fucking skipped intro on the SVU intro. I was like, Nikola,
Speaker 1: so I turned her and she looked at me. She
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I didn't mean to. I'm like, you
Speaker 1: better not, dav This that leads.
Speaker 3: Me into the first question that I wrote, And it
Speaker 3: doesn't answer how do I feel about the question? But
Speaker 3: do you still watch the Simpsons intro when you're doing these?
Speaker 3: Because I watched it in full for the couple episodes
Speaker 3: that we're talking about.
Speaker 1: I do when I'm doing it for the review because
Speaker 1: I feel like I just want to get into watching
Speaker 1: it mode. Yeah, yeah, I skipped the intro noun on
Speaker 1: Disney Plus to the point, now can you believe this?
Speaker 1: We had Matt someone on the show cause I noticed
Speaker 1: it season thirty seven. They don't do the intro anymore really,
Speaker 1: because there's no point, just cold they I would have
Speaker 1: learned from the stats that people were skipping the intro,
Speaker 1: so what's the point? And he said, I would rather
Speaker 1: dedicate time to storytelling than have any intro.
Speaker 3: This is another one of those reasons that I just
Speaker 3: want the Internet to be shut off, be perfectly honest.
Speaker 3: People are too quick to like just settle in.
Speaker 1: Yeah joy Yeah. So even the couch gags and I
Speaker 1: have there's no couch gag.
Speaker 3: Recording twenty two minutes, it's all intro.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the credits haven't stopped yet, there's no there's no
Speaker 1: couch gags or anything. They had a couch gag for
Speaker 1: the eight hundred episode because it was a special one,
Speaker 1: but now it just goes the Simsons and it sort
Speaker 1: of phades just in zooms into one of the letters
Speaker 1: and goes him and that's the end of the episode,
Speaker 1: just starts. Yeah okay, because they were saying people were
Speaker 1: just skipping it, So why waste forty five seconds of
Speaker 1: storytelling time on something that people are going to skip anyway?
Speaker 3: Thirty seven years that's admirable because I would be like,
Speaker 3: can we drag that intro out to three minutes people
Speaker 3: skip it anyway, and that way I don't have to write.
Speaker 1: This match then this isn't actually pretty good. I would
Speaker 1: advise checking out the newer episodes, probably like season thirty
Speaker 1: five onwards. Yeah, because ol Genus left the show and
Speaker 1: now Matt Selman is taken over a show, we've got
Speaker 1: a fresh voice. Yeah. Well, he was pretty much supposed
Speaker 1: running the show anyway, but now he's officially the solo showrunner.
Speaker 1: He can just do what he wants having to get
Speaker 1: the approval from up above, and yeah, it's better for it,
Speaker 1: all right? Sweet this episode? What did you like?
Speaker 2: Ah?
Speaker 1: What did I like?
Speaker 3: I liked that this was a wacky but believable enough
Speaker 3: side plot, not side plot, but the idea of Homer
Speaker 3: gets a new job and does whatever. And I kind
Speaker 3: of liked that the fact that Lisa was the ghost
Speaker 3: writer of all of it, and Homer and Lisa working
Speaker 3: together hearkens back to earlier episodes and some really strong
Speaker 3: episodes where they would be in on things forgive me
Speaker 3: for forgetting. Yeah, the gambling one is the one that
Speaker 3: it kind of evoked. I also liked that for a
Speaker 3: small period there, Homer actually found a second thing to
Speaker 3: do that is genuinely good at. And what I mean
Speaker 3: by that is he couldn't write, obviously, but he's genuinely
Speaker 3: good at eating food, and he was genuinely good at
Speaker 3: finding stuff to be delicious and he made people happy
Speaker 3: and that there wasn't any real spite or mean spiritedness
Speaker 3: in the episode overall. So it kind of felt of
Speaker 3: an earlier error to a degree.
Speaker 1: Because he didn't start becoming rude with with his reviews
Speaker 1: until the other critics convinced him to do so peer
Speaker 1: pressured him. It didn't just become a dick. He was
Speaker 1: buckling to peer pressure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was doing it because he thought that's what
Speaker 3: you're supposed to do.
Speaker 1: I do think they could have maybe focused more on
Speaker 1: the Lisa homodynamic and her being sad that they had
Speaker 1: this thing going well together and she was enjoying having
Speaker 1: her stuff printed in the paper yep, and now she's
Speaker 1: no longer able to do that, she can't work with
Speaker 1: him as a team anymore, and she was and seeing
Speaker 1: the impact that had on her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that would be, you know, the legacy, and
Speaker 3: I do want to try to avoid doing that versus
Speaker 3: or then really try to. Yeah, it's hard, but that
Speaker 3: would be If this was a James L. Brooks error,
Speaker 3: they definitely would have done that.
Speaker 1: That would have been the focus, not some wacky let's
Speaker 1: make a bigger Claire Le bomb, Yeah, to kill him overall.
Speaker 3: The other thing that I kind of took away from
Speaker 3: it was kind of forgotten that the pace of the
Speaker 3: jokes just slows down a little bit. Yeah, And I
Speaker 3: guess there'sn't that element of which we've spoke about many
Speaker 3: many years ago, of the change in the writer's room
Speaker 3: culture that you wouldn't stay there until three in the
Speaker 3: morning trying to carve out the absolutely every last ounce
Speaker 3: of a joke. So there's really good jokes in this
Speaker 3: I just found them less frequent. But I did have
Speaker 3: some really really big bally laughs.
Speaker 1: Are we surprised by that? We enjoyed by that knowing
Speaker 1: because you know, this isn't this isn't your era. No,
Speaker 1: I had you seen this one before?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, I wasn't surprised by it. It's not
Speaker 3: like I knew that. It's not like I thought the
Speaker 3: show wouldn't be funny, just not as Yeah, Like I
Speaker 3: didn't think it was like, yeah, ten out of ten
Speaker 3: fucking one. It was more like a tapers and there
Speaker 3: were there are other things of a higher quality that
Speaker 3: I was like, I'll invest my time over here. And
Speaker 3: South Park was coming along as a pretty fresh voice.
Speaker 1: This was ninety nine. South Park kicked off in ninety seven,
Speaker 1: ninety eight year. Yeah, so it was more that it
Speaker 1: was like, oh, it's this new shiny toy and family
Speaker 1: were your family guy going. Yeah, when it started the
Speaker 1: first season, I think the family Guy because it was
Speaker 1: different ye, Futurama and Dilbert, and it was quite a
Speaker 1: big deal with at the time, and Scott Adams made
Speaker 1: Rest in Peace. I had recently Scott, A lot of
Speaker 1: people didn't like the guy.
Speaker 3: Oh he's a bastard. I hate to speak ill of
Speaker 3: the dead, dad note, but fuck.
Speaker 1: Me speaking of ill of the dead. Speaking of speaking
Speaker 1: of ill of the dead, I should say. We spoke
Speaker 1: to Jay Kergan today for our last exit at the
Speaker 1: Springfield Reviewer. But yeat at some point some negative things
Speaker 1: to say about Sam Simon, which really, really I was
Speaker 1: surprised by because you only ever hear nicest guy. You know,
Speaker 1: he dedicated a lot of his money to looking after animals,
Speaker 1: and yeah, he's lovely and apparently just a motherfucker to
Speaker 1: work with, right. Yeah, but it's like, you know, it
Speaker 1: was explaining you've got to have that mongrel to you
Speaker 1: to get results on that dog at him. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: look at for that last exit of the Springfield. But
Speaker 1: you're right though with the with the amount of gags,
Speaker 1: because Last Exit Springfield is one of those episodes it's
Speaker 1: just jo jo jo Jo joke, Joe joke. And then
Speaker 1: you watch this one. This one's almost like a breath
Speaker 1: of fresh air to an extent because you can sort
Speaker 1: of relax a bit. Yeah, but in saying that it's
Speaker 1: not as funny as a result, No, it's a different
Speaker 1: kind of funny. I guess, yeah it is.
Speaker 3: And like I said, it's like if I could spoil
Speaker 3: my absolute favorite moment in the episode and the funniest part.
Speaker 3: So at the beginning, the little callback I haven't seen
Speaker 3: for four years, Like, no, that's funny. But then when
Speaker 3: they're at the dinner table, it's like passed on, pass
Speaker 3: it on, passing on. We just want to know where
Speaker 3: our Sunday is, Kils. It's like that that slayed me.
Speaker 3: And as much as you know, structurally it's pulled back
Speaker 3: and reveal, but execute it so.
Speaker 1: So fucking well because the thing is Utter gets attacked.
Speaker 1: I think it's Pta de Spam, which is like season six,
Speaker 1: and I think you might see him nah, because he's
Speaker 1: in dast Bus, I think anyway, But like the last
Speaker 1: field trip, he gets like left behind and they get
Speaker 1: a beat the shit out of him basically, and you
Speaker 1: think they've killed Uda. And I think that's what this
Speaker 1: joke is referring to, that we haven't seen him since
Speaker 1: that field trip. But even though he has been seen since,
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I thought it was dust Bus and maybe
Speaker 3: he just got left on the island, but bands is
Speaker 3: that they remember they're looking over the fence and yeah,
Speaker 3: the but regardless, I just I think that that is
Speaker 3: one where if it's joke jo jo jo joke joke,
Speaker 3: then that one doesn't hit as hard. So you know,
Speaker 3: that was just very very funny.
Speaker 1: So Asna he played the editor, Yeah right, and the
Speaker 1: old man from up.
Speaker 3: I did not look that up, but I knew that
Speaker 3: voice was familiar to Yeah.
Speaker 1: I thought he did a good job. Apparently it's based
Speaker 1: on Lou Grant, who was a character from the marytyle
Speaker 1: More show, which is James L. So, James L. Brooks
Speaker 1: created that show. He created the character of Lou Grant,
Speaker 1: and that's who this editor was based on.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's a deep cut references it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I thought he did a good job as
Speaker 1: the editor.
Speaker 3: Yeah, other than if you can write me one article,
Speaker 3: I'll put you on the payroll.
Speaker 1: The logic of it.
Speaker 3: Maybe that's how Mary Tyler Moore got to work. I
Speaker 3: haven't seen enough of that show, but yeah, I was like, Oh,
Speaker 3: that's that's a swing. Anyone can stitch. Maybe not anyone,
Speaker 3: but a lot of people could stitch five hundred words together.
Speaker 3: In this job market. It's probably not happening.
Speaker 1: Was bobs Burgers in this economy? Yeah? I have watched
Speaker 1: Bob bobs Burgers. I think in this economy can be
Speaker 1: anything that speaking of things that are a bit logical.
Speaker 1: So there's no E on the typewriter. Explain to me
Speaker 1: how he repeatedly writes screw Flanders. Mmm, I mean you could,
Speaker 1: I guess write screw Flanders without the E would be
Speaker 1: incorrectly that.
Speaker 3: I hadn't noticed that. In a moment, my brain was
Speaker 3: willing to go along with that for the quality of
Speaker 3: the joke.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was. And then I like the call back
Speaker 1: again later on two more words, screw Flanders appetite, Yes, indeed,
Speaker 1: have you.
Speaker 3: What's the dodgiest trick you ever pulled?
Speaker 1: For a word? Count, when's the last night to write
Speaker 1: some for all? Work out what do we do for
Speaker 1: our book? Do we just do we do for a book?
Speaker 1: Book was like seventy thousand words, wasn't it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we did some padding, Yeah that quick, get some trivia,
Speaker 3: find an interview that we did, let's transcribe it, transcribe,
Speaker 3: transcribe our conversations. I remember discovering the trick that you
Speaker 3: could chuck words sort of around the margins or at
Speaker 3: the bottom of the top of a page in Microsoft
Speaker 3: Word and then just change it to a white font.
Speaker 1: So when did that go?
Speaker 3: Tools word count? They'd be like, that's it the mark
Speaker 3: and how did you do that?
Speaker 1: Did you be a call for it?
Speaker 3: Two or three times? Early days of computers where it
Speaker 3: was like, let's just take a swing that they don't
Speaker 3: know what they're doing, and I'll be okay.
Speaker 1: How tempted would you be now if you're doing year
Speaker 1: twelve now to use GPT for writing stuff or at
Speaker 1: least give you an idea of where to go with something.
Speaker 1: I'd be an idea.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would one hundred percent use it for structure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I wouldn't just copy page.
Speaker 3: I actually something happen at work a little while ago,
Speaker 3: where I had used co pilot to kind of help
Speaker 3: structure the way something should be. And I put it
Speaker 3: all together and I rewrote a bunch and I sent
Speaker 3: it to my manager and they were like, this is
Speaker 3: really good, except this paragraph here. Can you make that
Speaker 3: sound less like copilot? And it was the only paragraph
Speaker 3: that I wrote that is one hundred percent. I made
Speaker 3: that up.
Speaker 1: The rest wasn't.
Speaker 3: No, he knew that that was fine.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's the joke.
Speaker 3: Maybe he was in on it. Maybe he realized this
Speaker 3: is this is too shit to be copilot. Maybe I
Speaker 3: just used a few to a few too many fancy words.
Speaker 3: I think, just me, I was just I just kept
Speaker 3: it simple. I just never abbreviated anything because I am
Speaker 3: yeah it is ah, yeah, that does work.
Speaker 1: That's a really good way to go, and it needs
Speaker 1: to go. You really should be using more abbreviation. Why yeah,
Speaker 1: you're want of whats a thousand words?
Speaker 3: This is the way the language was invented. Is it not.
Speaker 1: My favorite favorite moments from the episode? As I said,
Speaker 1: I didn't actually write any favorite moments, but I'm sure
Speaker 1: I can wing something. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think that was mostly what I had to remove
Speaker 3: all traces of asbestos and references to evolution has aged
Speaker 3: frighteningly well.
Speaker 1: Because this episode and twenty seven years ago mind boggling.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's pretty nuts.
Speaker 1: But this feels like it still feels starts like a
Speaker 1: newer episode, doesn't it. Yeah, I think someone like you
Speaker 1: who hasn't watched the new or newer ones. When I
Speaker 1: was a kid, he can Hear Pudding.
Speaker 3: Was a joke that I really really liked. And it's
Speaker 3: a great life. It's a great line reading, yeah, said
Speaker 3: with admiration.
Speaker 1: It's just we can hear pudding. Yeah, yeah, his admiration.
Speaker 1: You're right. I liked when I was a kid that
Speaker 1: growing grabbingly, growing grabbingly good team.
Speaker 3: Yeah, interestingly, that's one that I wrote down for Age
Speaker 3: the Worst, just describing a father daughter relationship as growing gravitally,
Speaker 3: and it felt like that was dangerous territory?
Speaker 1: Was that ever? Not dangerous territory? Though I wouldn't say
Speaker 1: aged terribly, It was just was there ever an acceptable
Speaker 1: term for a daddy daughter team.
Speaker 3: There's been quite a few prominent legal actions recently that
Speaker 3: would suggests that maybe people look the other way about it.
Speaker 3: Ninety ninety nine.
Speaker 1: I didn't mind, Homer just it doesn't really make sense.
Speaker 1: But I got two words for you much cheek and beak.
Speaker 3: What what is shaking bake? I'm going to google it
Speaker 3: because I've never seen it in Australia.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you hear about a lot in American TV. Yeah,
Speaker 1: shake and bake. It is a seasoned bread crumb coating
Speaker 1: originally marketed to mimic the flavor and texture of fried chicken,
Speaker 1: introduced to nine in sixty five by General Foods. Of
Speaker 1: course there's a breadcumb seasoning bread whatte season bread crumbs?
Speaker 1: Bread cumb season Well, at least with that you wouldn't
Speaker 1: need to bother whipping an egg. Actually, that's a good
Speaker 1: way the egg whisk gag, putting together the egg whisky
Speaker 1: from the case as.
Speaker 3: If it was a rifle. Very cool, kind of assassin.
Speaker 1: Putting in the usual the antidote at the end. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so I noticed something by the way, something on the.
Speaker 3: Actually felt very Steve Martin. Yeah, that felt a little
Speaker 3: bit like a sort of physic comedy skit that he
Speaker 3: would do. Yeah, because it's something that you've brought on
Speaker 3: the floor down here, have we save it for the end.
Speaker 3: We're gonna do it before we get into like a
Speaker 3: little quick run through. We'll save it for the end,
Speaker 3: so over the end. Yeah, we'll get something I'm gonna
Speaker 3: give to you before I supposed to get to the
Speaker 3: start and I forgot.
Speaker 1: All right, here is something for you. It's this, Ah,
Speaker 1: I've got a giant Cats mug. You've got a giant
Speaker 1: Hawk smug. Because let's be honest, these were the best
Speaker 1: mascots in AFL history, right, these two specific ones, these
Speaker 1: two specific ones. Yes, I like that the Hawk mascot
Speaker 1: looks like Dermy he does. It was definitely designed to
Speaker 1: look at it does. Yeah, I will showed to go back.
Speaker 1: I feel like everything needs to be simplified now, everything
Speaker 1: sort of. You go to macasine looks like an Ikea store.
Speaker 1: It's all simplied. McDonald doesn't even sa McDonalds anymore than science.
Speaker 1: They've taken the way McDonald's away. It's just a giant
Speaker 1: m now.
Speaker 3: Interesting, you know, Lex calls McDonald's old McDonald's. She learned
Speaker 3: the song first, and it's very wholesome.
Speaker 1: And I won't correct These are things when their kids
Speaker 1: right and they say things incorrectly, don't correct them. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: because once they corrected that and do it anymore, you know, no,
Speaker 1: it's gone.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I actually have a little keep note file of
Speaker 3: lexisms of things that she used to say I wish
Speaker 3: I did lately as an educator named Trinity, that she
Speaker 3: would go on this like almost endless run where she
Speaker 3: pronounced the name of Trinity and it was yeah, I
Speaker 3: don't want that to change.
Speaker 1: See Alliott. I can't explain why, but his original way
Speaker 1: of saying thank you, he'd say button, so he go
Speaker 1: thank you, you go bum and then one day he
Speaker 1: just goes thank you and oh, oh but bum.
Speaker 3: He's just like that's in the Cradle in the Silver Spell.
Speaker 1: I never fee the day where he said thank you
Speaker 1: for the person. I was like, oh, that's the end
Speaker 1: of Barton.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's illogical, makes no sense of the first time
Speaker 3: Las lacks first time lex pronounced helicopter, yeah, correctly because
Speaker 3: that was Halli Potter. Yeah, it's time.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's like it's actually a better word. I'd prefer
Speaker 1: called Halli Potter. That's what in the new Harry Potter film,
Speaker 1: that's what he'd be flying around. Fuck the room stick