1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: Hey everybody, welcome back to the Shirrele You Can't Be 2 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:09,960 Serious Podcast. This week, d we are part three Van 3 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:14,960 Halen versus van Agar. This is when Sammy enters the scene. 4 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:17,399 Speaker 2: Did you see her brot today? 5 00:00:17,719 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 3: I know? 6 00:00:18,039 --> 00:00:22,399 Speaker 2: I love That is my Van Halen one tape. This 7 00:00:22,679 --> 00:00:25,839 is a different band than the band that started in 8 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:26,839 nineteen eighty five. 9 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: Okay, now that is true. However, the real break maybe 10 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:32,840 started before nineteen eighty four. 11 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, we talk about it in detail. So join us 12 00:00:35,719 --> 00:00:39,039 now four Part three of the history of Van Amma, 13 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:40,039 Switch Drinks Armada. 14 00:00:40,359 --> 00:00:40,799 Speaker 4: That's great. 15 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:42,079 Speaker 1: It's the best of both worlds. 16 00:00:51,439 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 4: Hello everybody, and welcome to the Surely Can't Be Serious 17 00:00:57,039 --> 00:01:02,439 Podcast with your co hosts James Graves and Jason Colban. 18 00:01:02,759 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 3: No, sir, man, I don't like that crap. 19 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 2: I'm a rocker dude, through and through. Here's my favorite bands, 20 00:01:08,079 --> 00:01:11,079 AC DC, Van Halen, not Van Hagar. 21 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:30,439 Speaker 1: Sammy officially joins the band end nineteen eighty five, and. 22 00:01:30,519 --> 00:01:33,879 Speaker 2: He's the perfect perfect guy to come on. 23 00:01:38,079 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 5: To dy and go to heaven, hang around to reborn again. 24 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:47,519 Speaker 2: Yeah. So you've got a good hearted guy, successful in 25 00:01:47,599 --> 00:01:56,760 his field, better voice, great stage presidence. It seems like 26 00:01:56,879 --> 00:01:58,680 the perfect replacement for Dave. 27 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:02,959 Speaker 1: So they get together and because Sammy is a better musician, 28 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,959 better writer, they start working and they come up with 29 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:09,439 a song called why Can't This Be Love? 30 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 6: Again? 31 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:30,319 Speaker 3: Inside tell me why, because I'll never have an. 32 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,879 Speaker 1: It's got what that taste, so I'll tell me. 33 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 2: And of course why Can't This Be Love has a 34 00:02:55,759 --> 00:02:57,879 song lyric in it which it's been made fun of 35 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,680 a little bit, the Only time will tell if we 36 00:03:00,879 --> 00:03:04,240 stand the test of time. In two thousand and eight, 37 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:08,120 the Telegraph named this the eighth worst lyric of all time. 38 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 1: Only time will tell if we stand the test of time. 39 00:03:11,879 --> 00:03:14,159 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's simple wisdom right there. 40 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 2: Yes, why can't This Be Love? Is what Sammy Hagar is. 41 00:03:18,479 --> 00:03:20,120 And you look at how many times love shows up 42 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,879 in the title of his songs, And where did love 43 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:27,280 appear for David Lee roth An? You talk about that time? 44 00:03:27,719 --> 00:03:29,159 Speaker 6: Yeah, Hey, nobody got time for it. 45 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 2: It is the physical, sexual prowess versus the meaningful beautiful 46 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,400 that's appealing to me. They're just two different bands. 47 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,879 Speaker 1: They are too, They're completely different bands, I mean totally different. 48 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:48,719 Speaker 2: And I don't want the van Halen that plays love songs. 49 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,439 Speaker 1: Okay, well, that's fine, but let's not pretend like there's 50 00:03:52,479 --> 00:03:55,240 no Sammy Hagar fans. This album went to number one, 51 00:03:55,919 --> 00:03:57,439 their first album to hit number one. 52 00:03:57,719 --> 00:03:59,599 Speaker 2: Right, so was the What was the name of the 53 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:00,919 first album that they released? 54 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: The first album they released is fifty one to fifty 55 00:04:02,879 --> 00:04:05,800 once again after the code name for the Criminally Insane 56 00:04:05,919 --> 00:04:10,039 album went platinum in one week. Wow, the fastest selling 57 00:04:10,199 --> 00:04:11,680 million selling. 58 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:13,719 Speaker 6: Album of all time for Warner Brothers. 59 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: Right, and you get songs like good Enough, which is 60 00:04:16,879 --> 00:04:19,920 a good song you may recognize from the movie Spaceballs. 61 00:04:19,519 --> 00:04:22,319 Speaker 2: Oh the Cleavage Special. 62 00:04:22,759 --> 00:04:25,959 Speaker 1: And as one music critics said about this album, Eddie 63 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,279 can still split the atom with his acts. 64 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:29,319 Speaker 6: I love that quote. 65 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:30,959 Speaker 2: He doesn't quit playing the guitar. 66 00:04:31,079 --> 00:04:34,439 Speaker 1: Here's what I can't understand, even the hardest davidly Roth fan, 67 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:36,279 I don't understand how you can listen to the song 68 00:04:36,399 --> 00:04:59,199 Dreams or Love Walks In or why can't this be 69 00:04:59,319 --> 00:05:02,480 love and say I love David. Those are great songs, 70 00:05:02,639 --> 00:05:03,839 and they are great songs. 71 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, they are great songs. Love walks In reach number 72 00:05:06,319 --> 00:05:11,160 twenty two, Dreams reached number twenty two Best of Both Worlds. 73 00:05:20,399 --> 00:05:28,639 Speaker 1: That's solid too, That's a great song. 74 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,199 Speaker 2: It is a great, great song. And then, as you said, 75 00:05:31,199 --> 00:05:33,680 why can't this be love? All of those songs are 76 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,040 great songs that are just different. 77 00:05:39,199 --> 00:05:42,079 Speaker 1: They're different so at this time, and I'm the first 78 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:45,160 to admit that I'm a very nostalgic person, and so 79 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:49,399 nostalgic makes it difficult for me to discern whether it's 80 00:05:49,439 --> 00:05:51,959 really great or I'm just nostalgic about it. This song 81 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,040 came out in nineteen eighty six. I'm thirteen years old. 82 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:58,680 That's when my musical tastes are forged, you know, And 83 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,600 most people would agree with that, right, So love walks 84 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:06,079 in when I hear that song. That song reminds me 85 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:12,839 of the mysteries of the broad Clasp and who am 86 00:06:12,879 --> 00:06:17,480 I going to ask to the dance? And this girl? 87 00:06:18,879 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 6: Does she like me or not? So it has deeper 88 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,279 meaning than just cool keyboards, right. 89 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 2: Sure, I see how it's defining the stage you're in. 90 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:40,879 Speaker 1: Actually, the part in the song that gives me the 91 00:06:40,959 --> 00:06:43,680 most is the guitar solo, and it actually like the 92 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:45,480 guitar actually sings. 93 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 6: It blows me away every time I listen to it. 94 00:07:10,279 --> 00:07:12,040 It's awesome. I love it. It's beautiful. 95 00:07:12,199 --> 00:07:15,439 Speaker 2: You can't I mean say what you will about van 96 00:07:15,519 --> 00:07:18,600 Hagar versus van Halen. There's just no denying that anything 97 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:23,160 that Eddie's doing is beautiful. Eighty six I was ten, 98 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:27,839 turn eleven. I wasn't touching any bras not Joey. 99 00:07:28,279 --> 00:07:31,079 Speaker 5: Hey, how you doing it? 100 00:07:34,639 --> 00:07:37,199 Speaker 6: Okay, Jason? It is Christmas time. 101 00:07:38,399 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 2: It is Christmas time, and there are some folks out 102 00:07:40,759 --> 00:07:43,560 there looking for the perfect package under their tree. 103 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,879 Speaker 1: Yes, but what they should be doing is trimming their tree, 104 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:49,319 trimming their baggage. 105 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 6: Yes. 106 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 2: Well, guys, here's the deal. If you've got a present, 107 00:07:52,879 --> 00:07:55,959 it looks a lot bigger when your tree is properly trimmed. 108 00:07:56,199 --> 00:07:59,199 Speaker 1: Hey, missus, Klaus will appreciate you keeping your tree trimmed. 109 00:07:59,319 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 2: Yes, this holiday season, be sure and get yourself or 110 00:08:03,279 --> 00:08:06,879 your loved one a manscaped product. It cleans you up, 111 00:08:06,959 --> 00:08:09,480 it makes you smell good. It is totally worth it, 112 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,600 and it is the perfect holiday package to get. 113 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:13,079 Speaker 4: That's right. 114 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:14,959 Speaker 1: All you gotta do is go to manscape dot com 115 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,360 and put in the code serious twenty to get twenty 116 00:08:18,399 --> 00:08:18,920 percent off. 117 00:08:19,079 --> 00:08:21,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's better than milk and cookies. 118 00:08:23,279 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: Whack it, wack it. Do you know that the fifty 119 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:29,120 fifty has no music? 120 00:08:29,199 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 2: Videos at all. Wow, zero music videos. 121 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: Now you can say, well Dreams had one, but all 122 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,519 it is is videos of the Blue Angels, which is cool, right, 123 00:08:38,759 --> 00:08:41,120 but there's none o the band right now. They did 124 00:08:41,279 --> 00:08:44,440 pluck a best of both worlds that got some rotations 125 00:08:44,639 --> 00:08:47,919 out of their live show, but there were no produced, 126 00:08:48,039 --> 00:08:51,039 no paid for, no music videos for MTV right, and 127 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,320 for it to do that well without music video during 128 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,279 this time, it's seems crazy. Fifty one to fifty is 129 00:08:56,399 --> 00:08:58,200 my personal favorite. 130 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:03,159 Speaker 2: Vanhla OUTM right is one of three great ones. 131 00:09:04,159 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 4: All right. 132 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,159 Speaker 1: So that came out in eighty six, they tour in 133 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,960 eighty seven, they go back to the studio in eighty 134 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:11,600 eight and they come up with. 135 00:09:13,039 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 6: Oh you eight one two. 136 00:09:23,039 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: Before it was named OU eight one two. The working 137 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,240 title was called Bone. I'm really sure why they did that, 138 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,200 But Alex van Halen is one like, no, that's that title. 139 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,879 Speaker 2: Sucks rightly, and I agree with him. 140 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 6: So o ya one two. 141 00:09:36,039 --> 00:09:38,799 Speaker 1: Sammy actually the one who came up with this album. Now, 142 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:41,279 there's a lot of sort of urban legends about how 143 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:44,240 they came up with this name. He says that he 144 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,399 picked eight one two after seeing it on a delivery truck. 145 00:09:47,639 --> 00:09:50,759 But rumors persist to this day that it is a 146 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:55,480 direct reference to Davide Roth's album Right. 147 00:09:56,279 --> 00:09:59,879 Speaker 2: Dave has a rather famous interview where he's ranting a 148 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,519 into them and sets that as the threat. 149 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 7: Well, I stay quiet for six months, seven months, and 150 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:09,480 I'm just reading diatribe after harang, after this, after that, 151 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,360 you know, again and again and again, and I still 152 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,559 believe there's no one. It's not necessary to make a comparison. 153 00:10:15,639 --> 00:10:17,279 I don't think you have to make a choice. But 154 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,519 being Hanglin demands it. You have to either love us 155 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:24,679 and hate him or vice versa. They demand it, they demanded, Well, 156 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:28,399 I'll rise to the challenge. If we have to have 157 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:34,240 a comparison, then find I eat you for breakfast, pale. 158 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 2: You and smile, eat him and smile. Had had Yankee 159 00:10:37,799 --> 00:10:40,320 Rose Yankee Rose, which is a great one and. 160 00:10:40,519 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 6: Going crazy, Yeah. 161 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: Dave the Yankee Rose video. It cracks me up when 162 00:10:46,639 --> 00:10:47,279 he comes in and. 163 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,799 Speaker 7: Give me a bottle of anything and I clays Donnut. 164 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 1: So the singles that you have if E eight one two. 165 00:10:58,759 --> 00:11:01,360 The first one is black and Blue? 166 00:11:30,399 --> 00:11:30,559 Speaker 7: Right? 167 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:32,519 Speaker 2: Which do you like that one a lot? Right? 168 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 1: This is my favorite Sammy song, favorite the way the 169 00:11:37,759 --> 00:11:40,039 guitars kind of slink in and it's got that. 170 00:11:41,799 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm gonna put you on the spot here 171 00:11:44,159 --> 00:11:45,720 and we can keep going on Black and Blue. But 172 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:51,159 you said my favorite Sammy song? So is your favorite 173 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:55,279 van Halen song from the Wroth years and from the 174 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:59,200 Hagar years? A Hagar song or a Wroth song? 175 00:12:01,919 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: Why don't I'll tell you what at the end, I'll 176 00:12:03,759 --> 00:12:05,639 tell you. Okay, I'll give you a list of my 177 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,240 top Dave songs and my top Sami songs, and. 178 00:12:08,279 --> 00:12:11,159 Speaker 2: We'll and pick number one overall, number one overall. Okay, 179 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,000 all right, all right, very good, Okay, I'm at the 180 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:17,919 edge of my seat. Now good. We'll stay tuned, all right. 181 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,519 So Black and Blue reached number thirty four on the 182 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:22,720 Hot one hundred list. Yep, tell me what you love 183 00:12:22,759 --> 00:12:23,039 about it? 184 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: So, once again, like drop Dead Legs, black and Blue 185 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:27,240 is a stripper song. 186 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:29,039 Speaker 2: What you love about? 187 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,679 Speaker 6: When I was fifteen, I thought this was the greatest 188 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:33,080 thing ever. 189 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 1: Just the way the guitar comes in, and it's clearly 190 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:38,679 this song is about I know we're trying to keep 191 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:40,559 this family friendly, but this song is about. 192 00:12:40,399 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 2: Sex absolutely, so as many of their songs are. 193 00:12:43,799 --> 00:12:45,759 Speaker 1: I mean it's very subtle when they say, let's do 194 00:12:45,799 --> 00:12:46,960 it till we're black and Blue. 195 00:12:49,519 --> 00:12:49,679 Speaker 2: Right. 196 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,919 Speaker 1: This is a top down, turn it up, cruising the 197 00:12:52,960 --> 00:13:02,440 streets type of song. But the song that comes out 198 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:04,320 after Black and Blue, they have a video with it 199 00:13:04,519 --> 00:13:18,039 and it's called When It's Left. When It's Love is 200 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:21,240 the first video that actually comes out where you see 201 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,799 the SAMI version of the band together and in a 202 00:13:23,919 --> 00:13:27,480 produced video, and it blasted its way to the top 203 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:29,080 of the charts. And this is one of those songs 204 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,039 like Black and Blue, like Love Walks In, like Jump 205 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:33,919 for that matter, I don't need to listen to the 206 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,639 song the first three seconds that it plays. 207 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:37,799 Speaker 6: I know I like it already. 208 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: I mean it just it's easy on the ears. It's 209 00:13:40,279 --> 00:13:43,440 a very very radio friendly song. 210 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:05,279 Speaker 4: That song is. 211 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,399 Speaker 2: Obviously what we I mean, what we would call a 212 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:15,279 power ballad. Yeah, in the vein of Free Bird by 213 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:19,120 Leonard Skinnyard Stoid to Heaven or You've Got This, you 214 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:23,000 know we got rock. But it's that slow, smooth introduction 215 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:25,320 and it picks up. They all pick up dream On, 216 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:28,919 it picks up. I think for our age, probably the 217 00:14:29,519 --> 00:14:32,200 the epitome of the rock ballad is when every Rose 218 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:32,879 has its thorn. 219 00:14:33,039 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: We ought to argue this because I'd say Home Sweet 220 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:35,879 Home by Motley Crue. 221 00:14:35,919 --> 00:14:39,279 Speaker 2: But also is this Love by White Snake, which is 222 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,600 every time I hear the title list, I'm like, oh, yeah, 223 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,639 is this love? Wait a minute, which song is this? 224 00:14:44,919 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: I can't remember what something that says Okay, both came 225 00:14:47,159 --> 00:14:47,879 up about the same time. 226 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, what. 227 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:55,279 Speaker 6: Then you end up with. 228 00:14:56,879 --> 00:14:59,159 Speaker 1: Finished, which you started, which is kind of a fun, 229 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:03,200 little acoustic the type of thing and just kind of twingy. 230 00:15:03,159 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 2: Kind of And so the story on this one is 231 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:30,759 that Eddie was up late, had this song that he 232 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:34,519 was playing. Do you know this? Okay? And so he 233 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,559 you know, he and Sammy your neighbors at this point, 234 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:39,480 so he just goes and wakes him up, knocks on 235 00:15:39,559 --> 00:15:39,799 the door. 236 00:15:39,879 --> 00:15:40,919 Speaker 6: He goes, bangs on the door. 237 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:44,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, He's like, okay, I got this and I just 238 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:46,519 need you to help me. And they sit out on 239 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,480 the porch. I just how awesome would that be for 240 00:15:49,639 --> 00:15:52,120 Eddie devan Halen to show up and knock on your 241 00:15:52,159 --> 00:15:54,519 door and you guys just go out and two o'clock 242 00:15:54,559 --> 00:15:57,200 in the morning and play until you figure this song out. 243 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:59,879 Speaker 6: I think that's great and did you hear the yes? 244 00:16:00,039 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 2: So he leaves. Eddie leaves, and his version. 245 00:16:03,879 --> 00:16:06,799 Speaker 1: Of the story is he and his wife were in bed, 246 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,240 it's late, He's trying to put the moves on her. 247 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,960 They're getting busy, and Eddie van Halens banging on his door. 248 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:18,559 So so he's, you know, throw on a roadbro quick 249 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:22,080 and un what do you watch? I got an idea 250 00:16:22,159 --> 00:16:23,840 for a song. We got to finish it, you know, 251 00:16:24,039 --> 00:16:27,480 so come out here with me. So he reluctantly goes outside, 252 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:31,360 but the song then becomes name Finish what you started? 253 00:16:31,799 --> 00:16:39,639 Speaker 6: Rights not okay? 254 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: So oh eight one two was a number one hit 255 00:16:45,559 --> 00:16:49,320 hit number one, May twenty fourth, nineteen eighty eight. People 256 00:16:49,399 --> 00:16:52,600 don't know this, you know, Samy's kind of trashed and 257 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,600 kind of the uncool option of van Halen or whatever. 258 00:16:55,679 --> 00:16:58,519 Speaker 6: But fifty one fifty oh U eight one two. 259 00:16:58,679 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 1: Four on lawful cardinal knowledge and balance all four number. 260 00:17:01,879 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 2: One absolutely can't argue against that. 261 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:07,039 Speaker 6: I don't know what you're judging. 262 00:17:07,319 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 1: That's a pretty good way of telling what's popular. 263 00:17:09,599 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 2: Well maybe, I mean no, yeah, you're right, it's it's 264 00:17:13,039 --> 00:17:15,359 a good way of telling what's popular. But what's popular 265 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:16,920 doesn't necessarily mean what's better. 266 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 1: That's true, because Bad is better than Thriller. We saw 267 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:20,039 that last week. 268 00:17:22,039 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 2: Well, I mean that kind of goes against your argument 269 00:17:24,039 --> 00:17:27,640 because Bad had more number one hits, and I still think, 270 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,960 I still think that Thriller is better. But the idea 271 00:17:31,079 --> 00:17:33,400 of bad and good is subjective. 272 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 3: It is. 273 00:17:38,039 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 1: So after finish what you started, you have Kababbo, which 274 00:17:41,799 --> 00:17:45,519 is a great song, which pops up again later on 275 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:47,960 when Sammy opens a club down in Cova Saint Lucas 276 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,039 and he calls it Caba Wobbo love. 277 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 6: That song. 278 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:54,799 Speaker 2: Becomes a tequila. 279 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 6: It does come in tequila. 280 00:17:56,319 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 2: Actually, when we did this, I looked at that tequila. 281 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:03,319 It is a high christ tequila. Comparatively speaking, it's it's 282 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:05,240 really so it must be pretty good. I don't know 283 00:18:05,279 --> 00:18:07,079 that I've ever had it, Okay, I know that you 284 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:07,400 have it. 285 00:18:07,759 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 4: I have not. 286 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 1: And then you have Feels So Good, which had a 287 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:21,319 video with it. Really cool song again, it's the softer 288 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:26,640 van Halen but still really good. Sure, and then they 289 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,000 close out with Mine All Mine, kind of a throwaway track, 290 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:35,119 but so that ends nineteen eighty eight, that stretches into 291 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,440 nineteen eighty nine, and then in June of nineteen ninety one, 292 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:42,000 they come out with the The F Word album. 293 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 2: Right, So that's what you know. That's what Sammy wanted 294 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:46,920 to call the album was f right. 295 00:18:47,279 --> 00:18:50,279 Speaker 1: I mean the word, not the letter, that's right, the 296 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:52,279 F dash dash dash word, right. 297 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 2: Only I didn't say fudge. I said the word, the 298 00:19:03,279 --> 00:19:06,480 big one, the queen mother of dirty words. 299 00:19:06,599 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 4: The F dash dash dash word. What did you say? 300 00:19:13,759 --> 00:19:18,279 Speaker 2: That's what I thought you, Yes, But I didn't say fudge, 301 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:23,559 that's right. So he wanted to actually call the album. 302 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 7: The F word. 303 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,640 Speaker 1: So Sammy's working out with Ray Boomom and Sini. Sammy 304 00:19:27,759 --> 00:19:29,240 is a bit of a boxer. His dad was a 305 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:31,960 actually well known professional boxer, Bobby Hagar. 306 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:33,519 Speaker 2: All right, yep. 307 00:19:33,799 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 1: So Sammy's boxing with Ray Boomom Man Sini right, who 308 00:19:37,279 --> 00:19:40,519 you will remember. And Ray says, what are you working 309 00:19:40,559 --> 00:19:42,440 on me? So I got this new album and he's said, great, 310 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:43,799 what are you going to call it? And he said, well, 311 00:19:43,839 --> 00:19:44,599 I want I want. 312 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:48,079 Speaker 2: To call it f right, but they're not going for that. 313 00:19:48,319 --> 00:19:50,759 Speaker 6: But they won't let me because we can't sell that 314 00:19:50,799 --> 00:19:51,279 at Walmart. 315 00:19:51,519 --> 00:19:54,839 Speaker 2: Right. They had proposed naming it that, but then like 316 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:56,880 putting it in a round bat and that's right. 317 00:19:57,039 --> 00:20:01,759 Speaker 1: They talked about that, and so Ray says, oh, for 318 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,559 unlawful carnal knowledge. And he says, what are you talking about? 319 00:20:05,559 --> 00:20:07,640 And he's like, well, that's what it. Back in the 320 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:11,039 old days. If a guy was caught with your wife 321 00:20:11,599 --> 00:20:14,039 and they wanted to make an example of him, they'd 322 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:16,160 put him out in the town square and they'd lock 323 00:20:16,279 --> 00:20:18,200 him up with his hands in his feet and his 324 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:21,039 head sort of threw that wooden thing you've seen it. 325 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,880 They'd write over the top, they'd write your charge and 326 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,640 instead of writing foreign lawful cardinal knowledge, they would just 327 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:31,119 write F dot U, dot C dot K, and that's 328 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,440 what your charge was. And so Samy's like, man, that's great, 329 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:35,759 that's great. And he took it back to the band 330 00:20:35,799 --> 00:20:37,759 and they loved it and didn't have to keep it 331 00:20:37,839 --> 00:20:40,920 from being sold in Walmart. So off that album you 332 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,799 have could write out of the gate you have pound Cake. 333 00:21:11,559 --> 00:21:14,599 Speaker 2: That one is like old school Van Halen. Pound Cake 334 00:21:14,759 --> 00:21:17,400 is the hard rock that that I wanted them to 335 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:23,680 be all along. It is strong that first that yeah, 336 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:24,920 he's playing he's playing. 337 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,079 Speaker 1: The guitar with a drill, with a power drill, and 338 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:28,640 it's killer again. 339 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:34,799 Speaker 6: Eddie making up sounds for us. Uh and so yeah, yeah, 340 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:35,200 all right. 341 00:21:54,079 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 2: In that particular song, Sammy is really using his hard 342 00:21:57,039 --> 00:22:00,200 rock voice. He's not using his love song voice. Is 343 00:22:00,319 --> 00:22:04,000 using that wretchy rocky gravelly. 344 00:22:03,839 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 6: No doubt love it. 345 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 1: When they recorded that song at the very end, he's 346 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:19,599 really bringing it, he says. And he said the producer 347 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,519 showed his arm and it had his the hair was 348 00:22:22,559 --> 00:22:23,440 standing up on his arm. 349 00:22:23,559 --> 00:22:24,079 Speaker 2: Oh nice. 350 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: And they were like, that's it. 351 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 6: That's our take. Yep, that's done. 352 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,559 Speaker 2: And so what ultimately they did when they would perform 353 00:22:29,599 --> 00:22:33,119 it in concert, Eddie took a cordless drill and then 354 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,880 painted it like the Frankenstrat guitar and had the red 355 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,000 with the white and black stripes on it. 356 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,039 Speaker 1: And then the next song comes out is Top of 357 00:22:43,079 --> 00:22:48,200 the World. Okay, Top of the World did very well, 358 00:22:48,799 --> 00:22:51,319 more definitely more pop. This is a tidbit on Top 359 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,240 of the World that I thought was interesting. When they 360 00:22:53,319 --> 00:22:56,319 play their live shows, the beginning guitar of Top of 361 00:22:56,319 --> 00:23:00,680 the World is actually the outro of John, So when 362 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,079 they play it live, they usually roll jump right into 363 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:38,920 Top the World. When they play it live on this tour, 364 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,039 on this particular tour, they would play jump and it 365 00:23:42,079 --> 00:23:43,400 would go right into top of. 366 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 2: The world right well that you know, so many of 367 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,680 the songs throughout the time with both David and with 368 00:23:50,759 --> 00:23:54,480 Sammy would be songs that they had been working on 369 00:23:54,599 --> 00:23:57,400 for years and just hadn't found the right mix for. 370 00:23:57,599 --> 00:24:00,400 So I can totally see how there is an tension 371 00:24:00,559 --> 00:24:03,680 with a song that came out seven years earlier and 372 00:24:03,839 --> 00:24:08,000 probably was developed a decade before that. Finally they found 373 00:24:08,039 --> 00:24:10,599 the right spot, the right sound, the right music, which 374 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:18,559 also is true for right Now. The story is that 375 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,640 Eddie had been playing it for a while and Sammy, 376 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:24,599 I think they're not even in the same room, like 377 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:28,759 they were different rooms. But Sammy's working on one song, 378 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,000 working on the lyrics and working on the tune, and 379 00:24:32,599 --> 00:24:35,400 Eddie's playing in another room and he overhears Eddie and 380 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,319 he comes in. He's like, play that again, and he's like, 381 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,519 I think we're working on the same song. Like the 382 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,200 chord progression that he had done was so similar, and 383 00:24:43,319 --> 00:24:45,759 the melody that he had come up with, and this is, 384 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,160 you know, right now is one that Sammy holds in 385 00:24:49,319 --> 00:24:51,759 the highest regard as far as lyrics are concerned. He 386 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,559 had been taking a break and was on the beach 387 00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:00,279 and was kind of obsessing about various things and then 388 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,559 just kind of realized, Hey, you know why I'm obsessing 389 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,599 about all these things when I'm here on the beach, 390 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,359 I should be right here right now. And that was 391 00:25:07,839 --> 00:25:10,440 his inspiration for all of the lyrics to the song. 392 00:25:27,559 --> 00:25:34,559 And so, you know, the video for this song was 393 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,119 it may have been their biggest hit as far as 394 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,279 video awards go. They won the Video of the Year 395 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,799 for it. And if you don't remember the video, it's 396 00:25:43,079 --> 00:25:46,880 one where the song is playing, but as you as 397 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,480 a song playing, there's occasional images of the band intermixed 398 00:25:50,519 --> 00:25:56,000 with other kind of intense scenes, and there's texts that 399 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,359 appears and says, right now this is happening, or right now, 400 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,759 this is happening. Right now, Eddie's hands are really busy, 401 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:08,319 and you know, and Sammy was adamantly opposed to this idea. 402 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,240 He was like this, people are going to be reading 403 00:26:10,279 --> 00:26:12,559 and this honestly, this occurred with me, like I was 404 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,200 frustrated because I'm like, I'm trying to read the words 405 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:16,680 and I almost trying to listen to the music, and 406 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,079 I feel like I'm missing out on both things. But 407 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,720 it was. It was a huge success for them, and 408 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:27,559 Sammy's adamantly posed against against against, and they're basically forcing 409 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,359 him into it. He goes and disappears for like a week, 410 00:26:30,519 --> 00:26:32,680 you know, just in frustration, a little bit of a 411 00:26:32,759 --> 00:26:35,000 tantrum there, and then comes back. And when he comes 412 00:26:35,039 --> 00:26:38,039 back they're shooting the video. He's actually sick. He's like 413 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,799 running a fever and got pneumonia. Is still angry about it, 414 00:26:42,039 --> 00:26:44,680 and so there's a scene towards the end where like 415 00:26:44,799 --> 00:26:47,160 you see him stop singing, even though the you know, 416 00:26:47,319 --> 00:26:50,240 obviously the song continues, but he just like crosses his 417 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,119 arms and quits. He said that was really like he 418 00:26:53,279 --> 00:26:55,720 was angry and just like scriwt, I'm not singing anymore. 419 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:57,799 I don't like this the way that's going. I'm just 420 00:26:57,839 --> 00:26:59,680 gonna quit singing. And it ended up in the video 421 00:26:59,759 --> 00:27:01,200 and it's kind of actually cool. 422 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 6: Let need to look at that. I haven't seen that 423 00:27:02,759 --> 00:27:03,039 as well. 424 00:27:03,279 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 1: One of the things that stands out of my I mean, 425 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:06,640 this is one of my favorite videos too, but I 426 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,000 think there's one line and it's like, right now, your 427 00:27:09,079 --> 00:27:12,039 memory is getting longer while your life is getting shorter, 428 00:27:12,519 --> 00:27:15,799 yiche and I remember thinking that's pretty poignant, you know. 429 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:25,039 Speaker 6: Yeah, all right, we're done talking about for an Elephant colon. 430 00:27:25,519 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. 431 00:27:26,519 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 6: Not one of my favorite Sammy albums, right. 432 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,279 Speaker 2: Two great songs, but not much else to speak of, 433 00:27:32,759 --> 00:27:35,519 right as far as I'm concerned, Right, all right. 434 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 1: So that was in ninety one. They tour in ninety 435 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:43,079 two into ninety three, and then in January of ninety five, 436 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,359 the album Balance comes out, right, it reaches number one. 437 00:27:46,599 --> 00:27:48,960 People are excited to have it, but this was released. 438 00:27:49,519 --> 00:27:50,559 I mean, they're starting to. 439 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,880 Speaker 2: Fight, well, and you know, it's kind of funny. I 440 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:57,240 think in both scenarios, just before the end, Dave doesn't 441 00:27:57,279 --> 00:27:59,759 appreciate that the end is about to come, and Sammy 442 00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:02,920 had I think he was literally caught off guard. You 443 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,119 can expect some troubles. It's sad to listen to some 444 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,359 of the interviews he goes where he's like, I mean, 445 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,279 I don't foresee us ever breaking up. We just get 446 00:28:09,279 --> 00:28:11,640 along so well, it's just not even and then you know, 447 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,119 of course things fall apart. Everybody's gonna pick sides on 448 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,319 this deal. But I don't think there's any question that 449 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,799 Eddie was going through some serious issues at this point 450 00:28:20,079 --> 00:28:22,799 in and out of rehab, lost a ton of weight, 451 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:25,640 you know, And what are you going to do if 452 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,359 you're Alex. You can't do something. You can't abandon your brother. 453 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,079 So he's going to stand by him at this point 454 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,039 and back his play. But I think it was very 455 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,079 obvious that it was not the same Eddie as when 456 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:37,000 they had gotten together. 457 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: Eddie was newly subberb starting October second of ninety four. 458 00:28:40,799 --> 00:28:43,839 But still, that's that's a fight, that's an everyday struggle. 459 00:28:44,119 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 2: So on balance, the only song worth mentioning to me 460 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,240 is Can't Stop Loving Him? 461 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,839 Speaker 1: Can't Stop Loving You? Really to Me is their only 462 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:12,720 radio friendly hit. And then in nineteen ninety seven they 463 00:29:12,759 --> 00:29:14,519 break up. It's done, it's over. 464 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, samy eras Samira is finished. He is he and 465 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,519 his wife are expecting a child. He's they've got a 466 00:29:22,599 --> 00:29:26,440 natural delivery set. Eddie calls him and says, you need 467 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,839 to come back here and do some recording. He's like, hey, 468 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,640 we're you know, we're about to have a baby. Let 469 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,279 me just take care of this and then I'll be back. 470 00:29:32,839 --> 00:29:35,079 And he's like, you know what, you started off as 471 00:29:35,079 --> 00:29:37,559 a solo artist. Maybe you should just be a solo artist, 472 00:29:37,759 --> 00:29:38,440 and that's the end. 473 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 1: They're working on the song called Humans being in the 474 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:46,279 Twister Sounturn. Then they're secretly talking to Dave right about 475 00:29:46,319 --> 00:29:50,200 recording these new songs yep. And then when Sammy finds 476 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:55,400 out about that, he's really miffed and so then of 477 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,799 course later on we see them at the Video Music 478 00:29:57,839 --> 00:29:58,759 Awards at MTV. 479 00:29:59,119 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. I can still remember seeing that and 480 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:05,480 just being like, oh, what if it could happen. Oh, 481 00:30:05,559 --> 00:30:08,839 I'm so excited. It was exciting, and then I also thought, oh, 482 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,359 they're all so high. They're so high. 483 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 5: Right now, I think we're here to present Best Neil 484 00:30:17,559 --> 00:30:23,279 Video of the Year award. Okay, oh dad, no, no no, 485 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,359 Instead of the best award thing, it's we have to 486 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,160 make an announcement, just we have to address this subject here. 487 00:30:30,599 --> 00:30:35,160 This is the first time that we've actually stood on 488 00:30:35,359 --> 00:30:38,160 stage together and over a decade into it. 489 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 1: And that lasts about ten minutes before Eddie gets really 490 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:47,200 really mad at him. That happened in ninety six, and 491 00:30:47,359 --> 00:30:49,559 then in March of ninety eight. 492 00:30:49,519 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 6: We get Van Allen three yep. 493 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:53,599 Speaker 2: Crickets. 494 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: That's all I have to say about it. 495 00:30:57,119 --> 00:31:00,599 Speaker 2: That's exactly what I was thinking I have to say 496 00:31:00,599 --> 00:31:09,640 about that? All right, Now, this is the moment I've 497 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:10,079 been waiting for. 498 00:31:10,319 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 6: Let's talk about it, all right. 499 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 1: So you're gonna give me a list of your top 500 00:31:14,319 --> 00:31:16,559 Dave songs, and I'm gonna give you a list of 501 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,039 my top same songs, and we'll see where we're at. 502 00:31:20,359 --> 00:31:20,799 Speaker 4: Can you do that? 503 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:26,839 Speaker 2: How long can my list be? Okay, it's it's really 504 00:31:27,319 --> 00:31:28,880 really hard. It's really hard. 505 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:34,039 Speaker 6: Okay, I don't I really don't think it's that hard. 506 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:41,079 Speaker 2: Well that's yeah, okay, good, good, Okay. So Panama Hot 507 00:31:41,119 --> 00:31:41,599 for Teacher? 508 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:42,559 Speaker 6: Is this an order? 509 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 1: No? 510 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 2: I can't do that. That's too hard, all right, Okay, 511 00:31:46,079 --> 00:31:49,359 So I'm just gonna go so Panama, which maybe I 512 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,799 really do love Panama. Maybe that's my number one. I'm 513 00:31:51,839 --> 00:31:55,200 not sure. Panama Hot for Teacher, Running with the Devil. 514 00:31:55,519 --> 00:31:58,119 I feel like I should be able to combine eruption 515 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,519 with you really got Me because they always come together. 516 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,680 So I'm going to do that. So ain't talking about love? 517 00:32:06,519 --> 00:32:10,960 And then like an eight way tie between for other songs, 518 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,839 I'll wait is great, drop Dead Legs is great, and 519 00:32:15,119 --> 00:32:18,079 ice Cream Man is fun. I think that's probably right 520 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,359 there at the at the ten Mark. If it's not, 521 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,920 I'll throw on beautiful Girls and heel your left to night. 522 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 1: All right, don't that list sucks? Okay, here you want 523 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,880 to give me, I'll give you my my ten days songs. Right, 524 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,759 and I'm a sameing guy, but I'm a dave guy too. 525 00:32:33,799 --> 00:32:35,440 But here we go in order. 526 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 527 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,279 Speaker 1: Number ten Pretty Woman, cool cover Catchy shows up in 528 00:32:40,319 --> 00:32:41,279 the movie Weird Science. 529 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,519 Speaker 2: Some versions, some versions, that's right. 530 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,319 Speaker 1: Number nine, their first single, you Really Got Me? Number eight, 531 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:54,200 drop dead Legs, great stripper song, number seven, Dance the 532 00:32:54,279 --> 00:32:58,799 Night Away, Cool, radio friendly, love It, number six, Running 533 00:32:58,799 --> 00:33:00,839 with the Devil, Number five, Hot for Teacher. 534 00:33:01,039 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 6: Can't argue with that. 535 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 1: No. Number four Panama Okay two off nineteen eighty four, 536 00:33:06,799 --> 00:33:10,480 Right there in a row. Number three, ain't talking about love? 537 00:33:10,759 --> 00:33:14,559 Number two unchained. Oh wow, it's an unbelievable song. 538 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,759 Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, I'm actually surprised that you put that that. 539 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:18,839 You put that at number two. 540 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,119 Speaker 6: It's so good that guitar, Oh my gosh, it's so good. 541 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,799 Speaker 1: And then finally, there is no there is no other 542 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:24,440 song that can be. 543 00:33:24,559 --> 00:33:25,839 Speaker 2: Number one is Jump Now. 544 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 6: It's absolutely jumped. 545 00:33:27,359 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 2: I love to Jump when it came out, but it's 546 00:33:30,279 --> 00:33:33,559 no longer in my top ten anymore. I'm not going 547 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,839 to turn it off if it comes on. I think 548 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,440 it's worthy of the stuff that they did with it 549 00:33:38,519 --> 00:33:41,480 with Ready Player one, but it is just not my favorite. 550 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,279 Speaker 6: All right, you ready for my Samul list? 551 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:44,519 Speaker 4: Yep? 552 00:33:44,759 --> 00:33:45,359 Speaker 6: All right, here we go. 553 00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:49,039 Speaker 1: Number ten, Best of both worlds? Number nine, Kabo Wabbo, 554 00:33:49,319 --> 00:33:53,319 number eight, can't stop Loving You? Number seven, Why can't 555 00:33:53,319 --> 00:33:56,480 this be love? Only time will tell if we stand 556 00:33:56,519 --> 00:34:04,160 the test of time. Number six, the power Drill, pound Cake, 557 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,360 number five, Love walks in, number four when it's love, 558 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:14,320 number three right now, number two dreams, and number one 559 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:16,199 it's black and blue. 560 00:34:16,559 --> 00:34:19,079 Speaker 2: Okay, this will be easier for me because I don't 561 00:34:19,079 --> 00:34:20,719 even have ten that I would put on a list 562 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:21,400 for van Hagar. 563 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:22,320 Speaker 6: All right, well let's see it. 564 00:34:22,519 --> 00:34:25,559 Speaker 2: Okay, So best of both worlds, in no particular order, 565 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:30,719 Best of both worlds, pound cake, when it's love, dreams, 566 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,800 why can't this be love? And right now? And then 567 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:35,880 I probably would throw and finish what you started. I 568 00:34:36,039 --> 00:34:37,920 like that one. I like finish what you started. 569 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,320 Speaker 1: And if I had to break the tie between Sammy 570 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,480 and Dave on the number one is Jump. 571 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,199 Speaker 2: You're still picking Jump it's jump. 572 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,119 Speaker 6: It absolutely is jump. I could listen to that song 573 00:34:53,519 --> 00:34:55,119 a million times and still love it. 574 00:34:58,079 --> 00:35:01,559 Speaker 2: Okay, guys, it's not time. It's time for final judgment. 575 00:35:01,679 --> 00:35:05,840 It's time for to taking gloves off and saying, you know, 576 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:10,440 we're no more mister nice guy. Let's let's really start 577 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,960 talking about this. You know, Jason, you've you've taken the 578 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:17,039 position that Van Hagar is better than Van Halen. Now, 579 00:35:17,519 --> 00:35:20,079 there are obviously a lot of people who enjoyed Van 580 00:35:20,159 --> 00:35:23,239 Hagar because they had tons of success, they sold all 581 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,360 kinds of albums. But I've never heard someone say better 582 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,400 than Van Halen. So tell me, you know, what's your 583 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:31,000 what are your thoughts? 584 00:35:31,159 --> 00:35:33,159 Speaker 1: Okay, well, so here here's my thing. 585 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:33,639 Speaker 2: All right. 586 00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:36,920 Speaker 1: I like Van Halen with Dave. 587 00:35:37,119 --> 00:35:38,039 Speaker 6: Okay, I'm a fan. 588 00:35:39,039 --> 00:35:41,119 Speaker 1: But once again, I jumped in in nineteen eighty four. 589 00:35:41,199 --> 00:35:44,360 So I wasn't married to Dave, right, So I jumped 590 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,840 in at the new sound of Van Halen. Okay, So 591 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,679 I wasn't you know, I wasn't blown away by the 592 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,079 guitars and stuff that people when they jumped. 593 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,760 Speaker 6: In earlier were, And so it just has to do 594 00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:58,280 with my age. 595 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,039 Speaker 1: But nineteen eighty four is where I jumped in. I 596 00:36:01,159 --> 00:36:04,159 love the synthesizer, I love the guitar mix of the melody, 597 00:36:04,679 --> 00:36:07,559 and just those great, great songs from nineteen eighty four, 598 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,480 and so that transitioned me right into fifty one fifty, 599 00:36:12,559 --> 00:36:14,760 which is my favorite one of all time. But I 600 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,960 think overall, I think there's a general sentiment out there 601 00:36:19,039 --> 00:36:24,239 that Sammy has a better voice, has more vocal range, 602 00:36:25,079 --> 00:36:30,119 has more musical ability. Right now, I'm willing to concede 603 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,639 Dave is one of the top front men for any 604 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:33,559 band of all time. 605 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 6: I'm gonna talk out of both sides of my mouth 606 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:35,639 here on. 607 00:36:35,679 --> 00:36:38,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, yeah, so Dave maybe the best front man 608 00:36:38,559 --> 00:36:39,039 of all time. 609 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,039 Speaker 2: I mean, we're in a situation again like we were 610 00:36:41,159 --> 00:36:44,760 with Bad versus Thriller, where you love Thriller, you just 611 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:45,679 love Bad Mold. 612 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:46,800 Speaker 6: That's right, that's right. 613 00:36:47,039 --> 00:36:47,159 Speaker 2: Right. 614 00:36:48,559 --> 00:36:53,079 Speaker 1: As far as stage personality, and we already talked about 615 00:36:53,119 --> 00:36:55,480 the splits and the kicks and the jumps in the backflips, same, 616 00:36:55,519 --> 00:36:57,679 you can't do any of that stuff right, But he 617 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,800 adds an element of musicians that I think improves their 618 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:02,760 music overall. 619 00:37:03,159 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 2: So I didn't you know, I didn't write this down, 620 00:37:05,559 --> 00:37:07,360 but this is this is the thought that's occurring to 621 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,440 me right now. Whenever Sammy Hagar came on the scene, 622 00:37:10,599 --> 00:37:13,039 I was like, Yes, I even said it earlier in 623 00:37:13,079 --> 00:37:16,199 the episode. This is the perfect choice. He has guitar 624 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,840 abilities that Dave didn't have, He's got a better singing voice. 625 00:37:19,079 --> 00:37:21,039 He's a hard rocker. I mean, you've got you know, 626 00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:23,880 I can't drive fifty five all of his songs with 627 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,719 Montrose and his solo album, his solo career before that, 628 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,599 And I'm super excited. But you know what else, I 629 00:37:29,679 --> 00:37:34,440 was really excited for the next episode of Star Wars, 630 00:37:34,559 --> 00:37:38,840 the Rise of Skywalker. I was giddy, and I'm walking 631 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,679 in and i got my Darth Vader shirt on, and 632 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,440 I'm dressed in black, and I'm geeked out. And I 633 00:37:44,639 --> 00:37:47,639 sat there and I was just like, Okay, well, this 634 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:49,800 is not okay. This is what I thought it was 635 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,719 gonna be. But that's all right. I'm gonna give it 636 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,599 full open mind. And I kept trying to love it, 637 00:37:54,679 --> 00:37:57,320 and I kept trying to love it, and where there's 638 00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,800 maybe a brief honeymoon period in the first five to 639 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,199 ten minutes of the movie, after a while, I was 640 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,800 just going I can't love this. 641 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 1: I think you're way off base again, way off base. 642 00:38:08,679 --> 00:38:11,800 Speaker 2: I had the honeymoon period with Van Hagar I did, 643 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,880 I was. I liked their live album and they had 644 00:38:15,039 --> 00:38:18,480 in their transitional phase. They still sounded a lot like 645 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,679 the original van Halen. They still had all of those 646 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:26,280 kicks going and Sammy was still rocking. But the honeymoon 647 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:30,039 eventually wore off for me, and I just didn't feel 648 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,880 like I felt like I had a bait and switch 649 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,760 where it was, here's this awesome thing that you're getting, 650 00:38:36,159 --> 00:38:39,159 and now we're going to overproduce it. We're going to 651 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:43,119 overdo it, and it's not the same anymore. It's no 652 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:47,599 longer van Halen. With the movie man, the production value 653 00:38:47,679 --> 00:38:49,840 was incredible. I can't imagine the mouth they spent on it. 654 00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:52,920 But it's not Star Wars. Star Wars is dirty, and 655 00:38:53,119 --> 00:38:56,039 Van Halen should be dirty too. I want the dirt 656 00:38:56,079 --> 00:38:59,519 and the grime. The van Halen of David Lee Roth Time. 657 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,559 Speaker 1: Was dirty and nasty and gritty and sex. 658 00:39:05,119 --> 00:39:05,719 Speaker 5: Yes it was. 659 00:39:06,039 --> 00:39:09,440 Speaker 2: It was what it was, and the van Halen of 660 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:16,079 Sammy Hagar Time is gradually more touchy, more feely, more emotional, 661 00:39:16,199 --> 00:39:17,440 more lovey, dovey, and. 662 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:20,599 Speaker 6: I'm not going for. 663 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,840 Speaker 1: All right, all right, well let's let's take a step back. Okay, 664 00:39:34,119 --> 00:39:38,400 because this podcast really is a debate about who's better 665 00:39:38,559 --> 00:39:39,519 Dave or Sammy. 666 00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:41,360 Speaker 6: But let me pose this question to you. 667 00:39:41,519 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, If I said, do you like the new 668 00:39:46,199 --> 00:39:49,599 version of Van Halen, it's like the cutoff between diver 669 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:50,840 Down in nineteen eighty four? 670 00:39:51,679 --> 00:39:55,239 Speaker 6: Yeah, up right, And I gave you you can choose one. 671 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,000 Speaker 2: What do you choose? You mean, do I do I 672 00:39:58,079 --> 00:39:59,360 take nineteen eighty four, take. 673 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:03,280 Speaker 1: Nineteen eighty four and include that with the Sami era? Right, 674 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:04,920 we're going to call that new van Halen? 675 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:05,159 Speaker 4: You know. 676 00:40:05,519 --> 00:40:07,519 Speaker 2: And I understand your question. And I know that a 677 00:40:07,559 --> 00:40:10,519 lot of people draw this line that nineteen eighty four 678 00:40:10,679 --> 00:40:12,519 was a new sound. I think even the members of 679 00:40:12,519 --> 00:40:15,079 the band are saying that. But I just got to 680 00:40:15,199 --> 00:40:18,440 I gotta say I disagree with that line distinction. And 681 00:40:18,639 --> 00:40:21,480 I took some time thinking about this. There's you know, 682 00:40:21,639 --> 00:40:23,840 everybody talks about the introduction to the keyboards, but I 683 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,079 mean he was playing keyboards in Women and Children first. 684 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,719 I mean he was playing keyboards way back. That couldn't 685 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,920 be the issue. They became more prevalent in nineteen eighty four. 686 00:40:34,039 --> 00:40:36,599 For sure, they shocked a lot of the hardcore listeners, 687 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,800 for sure, but that you listen to the lead guitar 688 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,280 sounds that are coming out in nineteen eighty four, and 689 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:47,039 it's still the same sounds of previous Van Halen you 690 00:40:47,119 --> 00:40:49,880 got from van Halen one on up through nineteen eighty four, 691 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:54,119 Eddie's still playing the Frankenstrat guitar, and then the Frankenstrat 692 00:40:55,119 --> 00:40:58,800 starts to go away. In fifty one fifty you get 693 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,440 new guitars coming in, and then in ou ate one 694 00:41:02,519 --> 00:41:06,400 two it's even less you get. You see, Eddie starts 695 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,880 this deal with Ernie Ball on this new guitar, and 696 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,199 it doesn't sound the same. I mean, just even if 697 00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,599 you even if you look at what happens right after, 698 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,400 if you look at why can't this be love? The 699 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,639 guitar doesn't sound the same anymore. It's closer. I mean, 700 00:41:20,679 --> 00:41:22,760 it gets further and further away. But I mean, first 701 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,280 big song off of fifty one to fifty and you've 702 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,840 got a flanged guitar that you're like, Okay, Eddie's doing 703 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,559 something different here, and it never goes back to what 704 00:41:31,639 --> 00:41:31,840 it was. 705 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,960 Speaker 6: You tell me you don't like, why can't this be loved? 706 00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:37,079 Speaker 2: I'm just saying, I'm saying it's not dirty and nasty. 707 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:37,480 Speaker 1: It is. 708 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,360 Speaker 2: It's pretty, and it is that transition honeymoon period so 709 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,199 that I can say, yeah, this is still good, but 710 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:48,079 it's different, and then the difference lingers and I lose 711 00:41:48,159 --> 00:41:49,679 the thing that I fell in love with it first. 712 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,960 Speaker 1: I think we both agree that that at that moment 713 00:41:53,039 --> 00:41:57,239 in time, Sammy was the best option. Oh right, and 714 00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,760 I for me, I feel like he doesn't get enough 715 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,760 credit for stepping in and he kind of takes them 716 00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,480 to a next level and they earn way more fans 717 00:42:07,519 --> 00:42:07,760 with that. 718 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,599 Speaker 2: Style of music. Well, again, this comes back to that 719 00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:14,199 idea of popular and better. There's no question that they 720 00:42:15,039 --> 00:42:19,119 increase their popularity. They increase their album sales and four 721 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:23,679 number one albums absolutely more popular. They are reaching a 722 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:27,800 broader audience. But popular doesn't mean better. 723 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,199 Speaker 1: I'm going to say something blasphemous for a second. Okay, 724 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:31,480 you ready for this, all right. 725 00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,280 Speaker 6: So bring it on, let's go here. 726 00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:38,360 Speaker 1: It is all right from the Dave era. In my opinion, 727 00:42:39,039 --> 00:42:45,360 Van Haleen won Awesome nineteen eighty four, Awesome, the other 728 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:49,440 albums in between, there's some great songs, but there's a 729 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:50,239 whole lot of filler. 730 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:53,480 Speaker 6: Dare I say, crap? 731 00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:59,280 Speaker 2: You are blaspheming right now and I don't have anything 732 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:03,079 to throw at you. But I don't. I can, I 733 00:43:03,119 --> 00:43:06,400 can see what you're saying. I mean, if I'm gonna 734 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,239 listen to the whole album, yeah, Van Halen won first, 735 00:43:09,639 --> 00:43:13,199 nineteen eighty four, second, and then those other ones. They 736 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,199 do have some songs that don't have what I want 737 00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:22,119 to hear as much, but again, it is what defines 738 00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:23,599 the band. It's what defines the band. 739 00:43:23,679 --> 00:43:25,800 Speaker 1: I understand, I mean, I understand what you're saying. But 740 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,719 let me throw another thing at you. Yeah, I mean, okay, 741 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,599 for me, I'm always gonna grab either fifty one, fifty 742 00:43:33,679 --> 00:43:36,760 or nineteen eighty four. Okay, that's where I But then 743 00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:41,880 after that it's always ou A went too. Okay, Let's 744 00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:46,639 talk a little bit about the overall attitude and. 745 00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:48,159 Speaker 6: Class of these two guys. 746 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,800 Speaker 2: Oh well, I mean, there's no question, okay, there's no 747 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,480 question if I'm gonna if I'm gonna be riding in 748 00:43:55,559 --> 00:43:58,599 a tour bus with somebody, I want it to be Sammy. Okay, 749 00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,320 if I'm in Las Vegas and hanging out on the strip. 750 00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,079 I wanted it to be David Okay, and I will 751 00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,960 I will resign myself to know that I'm just gonna 752 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,079 follow along and watch what's happening, what is unfolding before me. 753 00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:12,800 Because with Sammy, I know I got a guy that 754 00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:14,679 can probably talk to you know, we're gonna talk, we're 755 00:44:14,679 --> 00:44:17,159 gonna be as about stuff, we're gonna shoot tequila and 756 00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,679 it'll be great. But if David Lee Roth is with me, 757 00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,000 I'm just gonna I'm gonna step back and watch it 758 00:44:23,119 --> 00:44:27,320 like it's a car wreck. I'm with you. 759 00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:31,440 Speaker 1: I totally I'm with you. They serve two purposes. Right 760 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,119 at the end of a weekend with Dave, you wake 761 00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,519 up on the floor and wonder what happened, Right, Yeah, 762 00:44:37,079 --> 00:44:39,119 the weekend with Sammy, you're like sitting on the beach. 763 00:44:39,159 --> 00:44:40,679 Speaker 6: Hey man, We're still having a great time. 764 00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,320 Speaker 2: You know, absolutely, But I mean again, I think this 765 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,840 goes to the definition of the band. Van Halen is 766 00:44:47,679 --> 00:44:51,360 David Lee Roth party, and it's when the party becomes 767 00:44:51,519 --> 00:44:52,719 a nice get together. 768 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:53,639 Speaker 4: That you lose me. 769 00:44:54,119 --> 00:44:57,000 Speaker 1: Okay, Well that's fair. I mean, we you know, this 770 00:44:57,159 --> 00:44:59,920 is all personal opinion, but I don't know. I just 771 00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:04,360 I enjoy the music more from Sammy. It's more melodic, Yeah, 772 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,400 it is more love songy, but there's a whole lot 773 00:45:07,519 --> 00:45:08,079 less junk. 774 00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,239 Speaker 2: It's yeah. I mean, it is a matter of what 775 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:18,519 you enjoy. But again, I want dirty. If I'm going 776 00:45:18,599 --> 00:45:21,519 out for a hamburger, I want a smash burger. I 777 00:45:21,639 --> 00:45:24,559 want a cheap white bread bun. Don't give me some 778 00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,840 chabbata nonsense. Don't give me a pre formed patty. Give 779 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,400 me something raw and messy. That's what I want my 780 00:45:32,639 --> 00:45:36,320 hard rock heavy metal to be. I don't want it 781 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:41,599 to be a gourmet burger with with Sammy. I mean, 782 00:45:41,599 --> 00:45:43,039 there are multiple changes that happen. 783 00:45:43,679 --> 00:45:43,719 Speaker 1: You. 784 00:45:44,159 --> 00:45:50,480 Speaker 2: You lose Ted Templeman, right, you lose the Frankenstrat guitar, 785 00:45:51,599 --> 00:45:56,920 you get the keyboards coming in. It's it's a different sound, 786 00:45:57,159 --> 00:45:59,159 and I mean just to and I'm gonna try to 787 00:45:59,559 --> 00:46:02,400 try to put words onto sound as best I can. 788 00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:07,559 But you've got sharp and edgy and rip your guts 789 00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:10,199 out kind of sound coming from the franken Strat on 790 00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:13,679 the Van Halen days. And Eddie, who's constantly in search 791 00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:17,320 for that perfect tone, starts to lean towards this warm 792 00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:21,079 and round tone. That you get on those on those 793 00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:22,239 albums with Sammy. 794 00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I see what you're saying, and we've already agreed. 795 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:26,119 Speaker 6: I'm more of a radio. 796 00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:27,480 Speaker 2: Friendly guy, right right, Yep. 797 00:46:27,639 --> 00:46:31,159 Speaker 1: It's it's a personal preference thing. Imagine we'll get into 798 00:46:31,199 --> 00:46:32,960 it a little bit more when if we break down. 799 00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,599 Speaker 2: It's just that your personal preference is wrong. That's all, 800 00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,360 which as long as we can both agree that your 801 00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:39,400 personal preference is wright. 802 00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:43,280 Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I just for me, the Sammy 803 00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:47,599 Hagar era is roll down the windows, drive around, crank 804 00:46:47,639 --> 00:46:49,440 it up, having a great time in the summer night. 805 00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:54,280 Dave is I mean Dave listen. I love Dave Era 806 00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,920 van Halen. But it's just different. 807 00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:58,039 Speaker 6: They're just two different bands. 808 00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,280 Speaker 2: So anyway that part we can agree on. They're definitely 809 00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:02,000 different bands. 810 00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,159 Speaker 1: They are different bands. But let me just throw a 811 00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:10,480 quick shout out, Sammy, if you're listening, contact us through 812 00:47:10,599 --> 00:47:11,360 the podcast. 813 00:47:11,639 --> 00:47:13,599 Speaker 6: I promise we'll find a spot to get you on. 814 00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:18,239 Speaker 1: Here wants you to be involved with a show five 815 00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,079 star reviews, Sammy, Okay. 816 00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,280 Speaker 2: We'll get you in there. This defines our difference because 817 00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,400 I know there's no way in heck that David Lee 818 00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:26,159 is going. 819 00:47:26,079 --> 00:47:28,920 Speaker 6: To be exactly past exactly. 820 00:47:30,199 --> 00:47:34,159 Speaker 1: Dave is too busy talking. I don't know the interaction 821 00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,360 with the fans. I think Sammy is stronger there too. 822 00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,880 He just seems such He's just such a likable guy. 823 00:47:40,679 --> 00:47:43,239 When Van Halen was introducted into Hall of Fame, you 824 00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:48,039 know who showed up, Sammy and Michael Anthony, two guys 825 00:47:48,079 --> 00:47:50,039 who are banned from existence now. 826 00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:56,079 Speaker 2: Yeah. So well, guys, thank you for listening to us, 827 00:47:56,119 --> 00:47:59,400 for this entire diatribe that we've gone through. We hope 828 00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,039 that you and enjoy. We hope you had a little 829 00:48:01,039 --> 00:48:07,400 fun with us. Oh my gosh, we have to talk 830 00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,239 about what's gonna happen next week. I'm so excited. Yes 831 00:48:10,519 --> 00:48:13,480 it is. It's been coming and coming, and it's finally 832 00:48:13,559 --> 00:48:15,960 going to be here. It is the Raiders of the 833 00:48:16,079 --> 00:48:19,719 Lost Arc versus The Back to the Future podcast. 834 00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,480 Speaker 1: Two of our all time favorite movies from the eighties. 835 00:48:22,559 --> 00:48:26,440 Speaker 2: Yes, they are amazing movies. Get ready for a lot 836 00:48:26,519 --> 00:48:28,679 of geeking out, because that is what's going to happen. 837 00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:30,440 There's lots of geeking out to come. 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