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Head on over to patreon dot com. 12 00:00:34.200 --> 00:00:37.119 Forward slash the Big for Society and now let's get 13 00:00:37.159 --> 00:00:40.560 on with the show. All right, Big for Society, But 14 00:00:40.640 --> 00:00:43.840 the privilege of talking to Ray Harwood today. You may 15 00:00:43.880 --> 00:00:47.479 know him from Bigfoot Quest magazine. He's an individual that 16 00:00:48.159 --> 00:00:50.039 heads that up. But welcome to the show. 17 00:00:50.200 --> 00:00:50.359 Ray. 18 00:00:50.399 --> 00:00:51.159 How's it going man? 19 00:00:51.520 --> 00:00:55.399 Oh? Really good? Thanks. I appreciate your call and interview. 20 00:00:55.880 --> 00:00:59.520 Absolutely yeah, I've been looking forward to to chatting with you. 21 00:00:59.600 --> 00:01:04.200 I know you've gotten many many years in the Bigfoot subject, 22 00:01:04.319 --> 00:01:07.640 but you know, when I talked to someone that's been 23 00:01:08.359 --> 00:01:12.159 who's really into it, like yourself. I always like to know, 24 00:01:12.480 --> 00:01:15.120 you know, what was it that first got you into 25 00:01:15.159 --> 00:01:16.359 this subject to begin with. 26 00:01:16.879 --> 00:01:20.040 Okay, my journey into the Bigfoot world was kind of 27 00:01:20.079 --> 00:01:25.120 in different segments. It started out with probably In Search 28 00:01:25.159 --> 00:01:29.439 of Bigfoot with if you remember, with Leonard Nimoy, and 29 00:01:29.480 --> 00:01:32.000 that was that came out in nineteen eighty six, nineteen 30 00:01:32.079 --> 00:01:36.200 seventy six, and you know, they did some of the 31 00:01:36.359 --> 00:01:40.680 some of the major Bigfoot findings at the time. And 32 00:01:40.719 --> 00:01:45.439 then of course movies like Legends, Boggy Creek and things 33 00:01:45.519 --> 00:01:48.840 like that, you know that most people saw. And then 34 00:01:49.040 --> 00:01:51.079 when I was a kid, my my father used to 35 00:01:51.120 --> 00:01:54.719 take us camping quite a bit. And we were camping 36 00:01:54.799 --> 00:01:57.760 up up in the Last and National Forest, which is 37 00:01:58.120 --> 00:02:03.480 a volcanic area where there's lava flows and lava tubes 38 00:02:03.640 --> 00:02:09.560 and Thomas and Obsidian, all these igneous type volcanic type 39 00:02:09.759 --> 00:02:12.759 flows and stuff. And they have a park there and 40 00:02:12.800 --> 00:02:17.560 we were camping in there and we heard these ungodly 41 00:02:18.039 --> 00:02:22.800 howls and I remember my father thinking they maybe mountain 42 00:02:22.840 --> 00:02:26.800 lions or something like that. And since I've heard mountain 43 00:02:26.840 --> 00:02:31.960 lions like you know, on video or in recordings and 44 00:02:32.120 --> 00:02:34.639 even in real life, and it didn't sound anything like 45 00:02:34.719 --> 00:02:40.719 these these things. Whatever it was had huge lungs almost 46 00:02:41.000 --> 00:02:44.039 across between some kind of like when you hear an 47 00:02:44.039 --> 00:02:47.199 elk screen with the whistles, but then you'd hear deep. 48 00:02:47.000 --> 00:02:49.439 Howls, and it was so loud. 49 00:02:49.479 --> 00:02:54.639 It was just echoing off these volcanic lava tubes and 50 00:02:54.759 --> 00:02:57.120 canyons throughout that area. 51 00:02:58.000 --> 00:02:59.039 And that was the first. 52 00:02:58.800 --> 00:03:01.879 Time I I had any kind of experience, and at 53 00:03:01.919 --> 00:03:04.960 the time I didn't know or have any idea. I 54 00:03:05.039 --> 00:03:09.360 just assumed it was mountain lions until I actually heard them, 55 00:03:09.400 --> 00:03:12.039 and then I realized it must have been something different. 56 00:03:12.639 --> 00:03:15.599 And then I had a professor in college, I was 57 00:03:15.639 --> 00:03:19.439 an archaeology student and forensic anthropology. 58 00:03:19.560 --> 00:03:21.560 And one of my. 59 00:03:21.759 --> 00:03:26.039 Professors was a what they call a lithics specialist or 60 00:03:26.080 --> 00:03:30.520 stone tool specialist that had studied in France under another 61 00:03:30.599 --> 00:03:34.520 lithic specialist, one of the pioneers of that science named 62 00:03:34.520 --> 00:03:39.360 Francois Boards. So Clay Singer came back in the sixties 63 00:03:39.400 --> 00:03:45.439 from that experience, and his expertise was in paleolithics, and 64 00:03:45.560 --> 00:03:49.560 which is the Old Stone Age, mesolithics which is the 65 00:03:49.560 --> 00:03:52.759 Middle Stone Age, and then of course the neolithics, which 66 00:03:52.800 --> 00:03:56.879 is the New Stone Age, and I got sort of 67 00:03:56.919 --> 00:04:01.120 put under his wing and learned about stone tools and 68 00:04:01.159 --> 00:04:05.120 things like that, and that was my specialty within a 69 00:04:05.159 --> 00:04:11.120 subcategory of archaeology in any case, One day he had 70 00:04:11.120 --> 00:04:16.879 his nineteen sixty seven Volkswagen bug and he drove myself 71 00:04:16.959 --> 00:04:20.120 and himself out to the Mojave Desert to a place 72 00:04:20.160 --> 00:04:23.480 called Urimo, where they have a place called the Calico 73 00:04:24.120 --> 00:04:27.959 Early Man Site or Calico Ghost Town, and there's an 74 00:04:28.040 --> 00:04:32.959 archaeological site there that people growing up in the nineteen 75 00:04:33.079 --> 00:04:38.680 sixties would know of Richard Leaky and Lewis Leaky. They 76 00:04:38.720 --> 00:04:44.600 always had PBS specials about digging up artifacts and ancient 77 00:04:45.360 --> 00:04:46.680 skeletal remains. 78 00:04:46.319 --> 00:04:49.040 In the Oldovai Gorge in Africa and things like that. 79 00:04:49.720 --> 00:04:57.040 So this Calico site had stone tools that allegedly predated 80 00:04:57.120 --> 00:04:59.360 human occupation in. 81 00:05:00.040 --> 00:05:00.759 The New World. 82 00:05:01.600 --> 00:05:05.879 And in the nineteen sixties and seventies, the main course 83 00:05:05.920 --> 00:05:10.560 of archaeology in America was finding what they call pre 84 00:05:10.680 --> 00:05:16.199 Clovis artifacts, which was the Clovis migration was twelve thousand 85 00:05:16.240 --> 00:05:21.000 years ago across the Bearing Straits, and they the predominant 86 00:05:21.000 --> 00:05:24.160 thought at the time is that there was no pre 87 00:05:24.240 --> 00:05:29.040 Clovis individuals in the United States or what was you know, 88 00:05:29.079 --> 00:05:33.240 the American continent, which would include South America and you 89 00:05:33.360 --> 00:05:36.680 up through Canada to Alaska. And so there was what 90 00:05:36.720 --> 00:05:40.279 they called the bird soul hypothesis where Clovis man came 91 00:05:40.319 --> 00:05:44.879 across the bearing Land Land Bridge and came down the 92 00:05:44.879 --> 00:05:48.839 west coast of Alaska and Canada into the New World. 93 00:05:48.879 --> 00:05:52.519 And that's the that was the predominant theory about how 94 00:05:53.240 --> 00:05:54.759 the Native Americans came in. 95 00:05:55.399 --> 00:05:59.920 And so in that respect, the Calico site pre dated 96 00:06:00.560 --> 00:06:05.319 twelve thousand years or pre Clovis by like almost two 97 00:06:05.439 --> 00:06:08.759 hundred thousand years, which didn't make sense and fit into 98 00:06:08.800 --> 00:06:13.959 the archaeological paradigm. So it was my conception at the 99 00:06:14.040 --> 00:06:19.399 time that it was pre Homo sapien in the United States, 100 00:06:19.439 --> 00:06:24.680 in the America, but it wasn't humans. It was it 101 00:06:24.759 --> 00:06:30.040 was like a relict hormonoid or something of that sort. 102 00:06:30.199 --> 00:06:34.839 And I was thinking, after seeing the Patterson Ginlin film 103 00:06:35.319 --> 00:06:42.959 and the in search of that perhaps what these bigfoot 104 00:06:43.199 --> 00:06:47.439 or a sasquatch may have been the ones that were 105 00:06:47.720 --> 00:06:53.160 working stone into these paleolithic hand axes at the Calico site. 106 00:06:53.600 --> 00:06:57.120 And if you google Calico Early Man site, you look 107 00:06:57.120 --> 00:07:01.360 at the stone tools you'll see they're obviously you know, crafted. 108 00:07:01.800 --> 00:07:06.000 They detached flakes of this flint into a hand act 109 00:07:06.040 --> 00:07:09.399 shaped forms. And at the time it was at the 110 00:07:09.720 --> 00:07:12.399 shore of the Mannix Lake in that area. 111 00:07:12.399 --> 00:07:14.680 It wasn't the Mojave Desert back then. 112 00:07:14.720 --> 00:07:17.639 It was you know, a lake with you know, everything 113 00:07:17.639 --> 00:07:21.759 that goes along with that environment. So after that, I 114 00:07:21.839 --> 00:07:24.839 didn't think much of it until I was taking a 115 00:07:24.920 --> 00:07:29.480 vacation at the Yosemite National Park and on the way in, 116 00:07:29.759 --> 00:07:32.920 we stopped at a place called View Lodge, which is 117 00:07:32.959 --> 00:07:35.519 in the canyon leading up into one of the entries 118 00:07:35.519 --> 00:07:38.560 into the park, and we were taking a hike and 119 00:07:38.639 --> 00:07:43.000 I crossed a little stream bed that was predominant it 120 00:07:43.040 --> 00:07:46.759 was mostly dry, and then we were climbing up some 121 00:07:46.879 --> 00:07:50.800 boulders where we found what they call bedrock mortars and 122 00:07:50.839 --> 00:07:53.519 what those are there a mortar and pestle that the 123 00:07:53.680 --> 00:07:59.199 Native Americans used to grind their acre and sage seeds 124 00:07:59.199 --> 00:08:05.000 and whatnot. And they're deep cylindrical holes in the massive 125 00:08:05.040 --> 00:08:08.680 boulders or even in the bedrock which is granite, and 126 00:08:08.720 --> 00:08:14.319 then used a pestle, an elongated piece of granite that's 127 00:08:14.839 --> 00:08:19.160 shaped in the cylindrical form with round edges ends that 128 00:08:19.240 --> 00:08:23.439 they would pulverize and grind these food stuffs. 129 00:08:23.480 --> 00:08:26.199 Well, one of these holes. 130 00:08:26.240 --> 00:08:30.000 Over time, the holes filled with pine needles and rotten 131 00:08:30.120 --> 00:08:33.200 leaves and dirt, and then water gets in them and 132 00:08:32.799 --> 00:08:36.519 there you can still see them, but they're covered up. 133 00:08:36.919 --> 00:08:38.519 Well, one of these holes had. 134 00:08:38.399 --> 00:08:42.399 Been dug out and the pestils put into the mortar, 135 00:08:43.399 --> 00:08:47.639 and something had been grinding something in there. And at 136 00:08:47.639 --> 00:08:51.440 first I assumed it was someone showing someone how they 137 00:08:51.480 --> 00:08:54.559 worked and things like that, whom I have been hiking 138 00:08:54.600 --> 00:08:55.159 in the area. 139 00:08:55.799 --> 00:08:58.320 But it was off trail. It was just busting brush. 140 00:08:59.039 --> 00:09:03.759 And after seeing that, we went back towards our vehicle, 141 00:09:04.120 --> 00:09:08.720 and when we passed the dry creek bed again in 142 00:09:08.840 --> 00:09:15.360 the sand, I saw the classic bigfoot footprints in the sand, 143 00:09:16.159 --> 00:09:19.720 and of course from the television programs and whatnot, Oh 144 00:09:19.759 --> 00:09:23.759 my gosh, this this really does exist. To quote Bob Gimlin, 145 00:09:24.519 --> 00:09:28.399 I looked, and here's these big footprints. And the strange 146 00:09:28.440 --> 00:09:30.559 thing about them. At the time, it looked to me 147 00:09:30.840 --> 00:09:36.600 like whatever it was, the sasquatch had been running down 148 00:09:36.639 --> 00:09:41.240 the creek and then it's and where the footprints stopped 149 00:09:41.840 --> 00:09:47.600 was a mass of vegetation like a briar, and there 150 00:09:47.720 --> 00:09:50.399 was I could not get through it. But you know, 151 00:09:50.480 --> 00:09:53.200 it's just like deer and elk and moose and things. 152 00:09:53.480 --> 00:09:55.600 They can hit a briar like that and move through 153 00:09:55.639 --> 00:09:59.320 without any problem, where a human we'll get. 154 00:09:59.159 --> 00:10:01.960 All ripped up, hesitate and not be able to go through. 155 00:10:02.399 --> 00:10:06.120 But whatever this, I think a bigfoot could not have 156 00:10:06.159 --> 00:10:09.360 gotten through. I mean would have just gone through like 157 00:10:09.399 --> 00:10:11.279 a deer or an elk, but a human could not 158 00:10:11.360 --> 00:10:14.919 have done it. But the feet were bare feet and 159 00:10:14.960 --> 00:10:18.759 they were large. But I had no idea at the time. 160 00:10:18.840 --> 00:10:21.440 I hadn't researched it. I had no idea what the 161 00:10:21.480 --> 00:10:25.360 mid tarsel break was, or the wide heels, or the 162 00:10:25.840 --> 00:10:29.159 you know, the different types of toes. I didn't know 163 00:10:29.279 --> 00:10:31.480 any of that sort of thing. I just knew these 164 00:10:31.480 --> 00:10:35.679 were large footprints and they had no nails like a 165 00:10:35.759 --> 00:10:39.840 human footprint, and it wasn't in an area where humans 166 00:10:39.840 --> 00:10:43.799 would be, you know, barefoot swimming or anything like that anyway, 167 00:10:43.960 --> 00:10:48.759 So that was interesting. So I went back later and 168 00:10:48.840 --> 00:10:51.200 tried to cast it. But I didn't use plaster. I 169 00:10:51.320 --> 00:10:54.960 used to cement. So I filled the things and when 170 00:10:55.000 --> 00:10:57.360 they dried, I pulled them out and they just pretty 171 00:10:57.440 --> 00:11:01.120 much broke apart, so I didn't really have any castings, 172 00:11:01.159 --> 00:11:03.720 but I did, you know, have a videotape of the 173 00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:08.279 whole thing. And the interesting part about these footprints is 174 00:11:08.480 --> 00:11:12.960 at one point I followed the footprints backwards away from 175 00:11:12.960 --> 00:11:17.679 the brier, and I found one area where there was 176 00:11:17.759 --> 00:11:22.679 defecation all around this area beneath a boulder, and in 177 00:11:22.759 --> 00:11:28.879 one spot you could see two footprints and then scat 178 00:11:29.000 --> 00:11:31.679 right underneath it, like the thing was squatting right there 179 00:11:31.759 --> 00:11:35.960 and left imprints of the feet and the scat. So 180 00:11:36.039 --> 00:11:39.000 and I haven't heard anyone finding that. And the weird 181 00:11:39.039 --> 00:11:43.519 thing about the scat was it was filled with berry seeds, 182 00:11:43.679 --> 00:11:45.960 like you know, almost like you know, the big berry 183 00:11:46.000 --> 00:11:50.519 seeds you see like from huckleberries or that sort of thing. 184 00:11:51.159 --> 00:11:55.279 And then let's see, I didn't really think much about 185 00:11:55.279 --> 00:11:58.519 it after that. I thought it was interesting, and I 186 00:11:58.639 --> 00:12:01.279 was talking to a or stranger at the time and 187 00:12:01.320 --> 00:12:03.960 he said, well, maybe you saw a bear. And my 188 00:12:04.679 --> 00:12:08.080 answer was, well, maybe people that see bear are really 189 00:12:08.120 --> 00:12:10.840 saying a sasquatch and they're mistaking it for a bear. 190 00:12:12.000 --> 00:12:13.840 But that's how that went. 191 00:12:15.120 --> 00:12:19.559 And then later when I was in college at the 192 00:12:19.799 --> 00:12:24.320 Archaeological Research Center. One of the professors invited me up 193 00:12:24.360 --> 00:12:28.759 to the Piute Reservation. Is at the time, I was 194 00:12:28.799 --> 00:12:32.919 doing a lot of replicative systems analysis or replicating stone 195 00:12:33.000 --> 00:12:36.559 tools that's in the in the in the verbiage would 196 00:12:36.600 --> 00:12:40.639 be flint napping, taking a flint and the silica material 197 00:12:40.840 --> 00:12:45.879 like obsidian and experimenting with the reduction into usable pieces 198 00:12:45.960 --> 00:12:49.519 and then into arrowheads of project all points or stone 199 00:12:49.559 --> 00:12:52.879 axes and whatnot. So they brought me up to the 200 00:12:52.960 --> 00:12:58.320 Pilot Reservations to reintroduce that technology to the Native Americans 201 00:12:58.320 --> 00:13:02.639 that lived along a id and flow to as a 202 00:13:02.720 --> 00:13:05.960 cultural like a reculturization type of thing. 203 00:13:06.600 --> 00:13:08.720 So I went up there and I did that. 204 00:13:09.399 --> 00:13:12.399 One thing I noticed is on one of the trips, 205 00:13:12.440 --> 00:13:15.799 they brought me up to an area where they did 206 00:13:15.840 --> 00:13:22.039 their traditional collecting of pinion nuts. And so we went 207 00:13:22.159 --> 00:13:25.960 up and there was wikiips where that are similar to 208 00:13:26.000 --> 00:13:30.360 the sasquatch structures, and they would stay in those during 209 00:13:30.440 --> 00:13:33.919 this collection of the pinion nuts. 210 00:13:34.120 --> 00:13:34.720 And you could. 211 00:13:34.600 --> 00:13:39.240 See where old wikiips had rotted away. So they've been 212 00:13:39.240 --> 00:13:43.000 doing this for generations. And one of the things they 213 00:13:43.039 --> 00:13:46.360 would do is take this this pine bough and make 214 00:13:46.399 --> 00:13:50.080 a whip and they would whip the trees to get 215 00:13:50.120 --> 00:13:53.879 the opinion pine cones to fall, and at the same 216 00:13:53.919 --> 00:13:57.519 time the nuts would fly out of the cones. Quite 217 00:13:57.559 --> 00:14:00.639 a bit of land on these tarps aung with some 218 00:14:01.159 --> 00:14:05.559 large pine pine grubs known as pohogi, and the kids 219 00:14:05.559 --> 00:14:09.679 would eat those. And then later I found that I 220 00:14:09.840 --> 00:14:16.879 was finding these similar whips away from their traditional collecting areas, 221 00:14:17.399 --> 00:14:23.039 and I attributed that to Sasquatch, and I was thinking 222 00:14:23.080 --> 00:14:25.720 that they were they were doing the same sort of thing, 223 00:14:25.759 --> 00:14:28.679 and also they use it to knock down birds and 224 00:14:28.720 --> 00:14:32.559 nests to get eggs and baby birds or whatever, and 225 00:14:32.639 --> 00:14:36.480 squirrels for for food stuffs. And then I don't remember 226 00:14:36.519 --> 00:14:42.399 anything else in that California area except for petroglyphs that 227 00:14:42.759 --> 00:14:44.399 you know showed sausquatch. 228 00:14:44.679 --> 00:14:46.879 Are you talking about the Tuley River petroglyphs. 229 00:14:47.720 --> 00:14:52.120 The Tuley River petroglyphs were, as the crow flies, very 230 00:14:52.159 --> 00:14:56.440 close to where I was there in Yosemite. So and 231 00:14:56.519 --> 00:14:59.279 that was the Yeah, the Tuley River was okay. 232 00:14:59.720 --> 00:15:02.279 Where there are other ones that you knew of that 233 00:15:02.399 --> 00:15:05.559 also had the same artwork in them. 234 00:15:05.799 --> 00:15:09.399 Similar I've seen petroglyphs that have just the large feet 235 00:15:10.200 --> 00:15:12.679 that are obviously, you know, they're not human looking feet. 236 00:15:13.519 --> 00:15:16.919 And I've seen, you know, the ones that look you 237 00:15:17.000 --> 00:15:19.799 don't really know if they're aliens or humans or that 238 00:15:19.919 --> 00:15:23.960 kind of petroglyphs, And yeah, that's true. And then that's 239 00:15:24.080 --> 00:15:27.840 that's all I can remember. Back then, I didn't really 240 00:15:27.879 --> 00:15:30.799 have any other experiences. But then so then there was 241 00:15:30.840 --> 00:15:36.320 a long break where I had no real experiences like that, 242 00:15:36.440 --> 00:15:41.000 and then about twelve years ago I moved to northern 243 00:15:41.039 --> 00:15:46.720 Idaho and the Idaho Panhandle, and right away I noticed 244 00:15:46.720 --> 00:15:51.879 something that was interesting. I went to the area where 245 00:15:51.919 --> 00:15:56.120 the coconey salmon die off at Lake Cortlaine, and you 246 00:15:56.200 --> 00:15:59.679 go up there because the bald eagles come in and 247 00:16:00.080 --> 00:16:04.840 eat those dying coconut salmon, and then they the salmon 248 00:16:04.919 --> 00:16:09.159 after they spawn naturally die off, but before they die 249 00:16:09.879 --> 00:16:12.320 there's still you know, fresh and edible, edible, so the 250 00:16:12.960 --> 00:16:15.960 the bald eagles come and swoop down and knock them. 251 00:16:15.799 --> 00:16:18.679 On the head and when they get. 252 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:21.600 Slow enough the fish that is, then the salmon's then 253 00:16:21.639 --> 00:16:24.759 the eagles pick off the salmon and eat them. But 254 00:16:25.120 --> 00:16:28.200 there's still so many of them that the the pea 255 00:16:28.320 --> 00:16:32.200 rock beaches on the edge of the lake are covered 256 00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:38.720 with probably four inches of fish, probably six foot wide, 257 00:16:38.840 --> 00:16:41.320 and then they float off into the end of. 258 00:16:41.320 --> 00:16:43.600 The lake during this die off. 259 00:16:44.600 --> 00:16:48.679 And while I was looking at that, I found a footprint, 260 00:16:49.399 --> 00:16:52.840 So I thought that was interesting. So along I went 261 00:16:53.159 --> 00:16:56.799 up the hill from the from the beach there, and 262 00:16:56.919 --> 00:17:00.159 I noticed that there was what they call in the 263 00:17:00.159 --> 00:17:06.039 Olympic Project, they had what they thought were nests. And 264 00:17:06.240 --> 00:17:10.200 I found something similar just above the salmon die off 265 00:17:10.240 --> 00:17:13.160 there at the Lake Corlane one year. So that was 266 00:17:13.200 --> 00:17:17.480 a footprint, along with of course a natural food seasonal 267 00:17:17.559 --> 00:17:21.960 food gathering area, and then what looked to me like 268 00:17:22.240 --> 00:17:26.039 the same type of nests they had in the Olympic Project, 269 00:17:26.799 --> 00:17:28.599 and then the same same. 270 00:17:28.559 --> 00:17:29.480 Sort of scenario. 271 00:17:30.160 --> 00:17:33.799 I was a huckleberry picking on the Ico would be 272 00:17:34.240 --> 00:17:38.960 the east side of the Idaho Panhandle, where I came 273 00:17:39.079 --> 00:17:42.720 upon what looked like a footprint in the dust. It's 274 00:17:42.799 --> 00:17:45.599 kind of an interesting type of substrate here they have 275 00:17:46.440 --> 00:17:50.839 where the ground is very hard but when Mount Saint 276 00:17:50.880 --> 00:17:55.880 Helen's went off years back, all the ash came down 277 00:17:56.000 --> 00:18:00.839 and created like a almost like a fine sol or, 278 00:18:01.079 --> 00:18:03.960 like an ash soil that still sits on top of 279 00:18:04.000 --> 00:18:04.920 these hard pants. 280 00:18:06.240 --> 00:18:07.799 And so when you get a footprint. 281 00:18:08.720 --> 00:18:11.240 You can see the footprint, but you could never cast 282 00:18:11.279 --> 00:18:14.119 it because it's it's just in the dust. So I 283 00:18:14.200 --> 00:18:17.319 was huckleberry picking and I saw one of these footprints 284 00:18:17.640 --> 00:18:20.599 again a seasonal food stuff that would be good for 285 00:18:21.160 --> 00:18:23.640 you know, bear, saucequatch, humans. 286 00:18:23.200 --> 00:18:23.920 And that sort of thing. 287 00:18:24.720 --> 00:18:28.880 So anyway, I poked my head up after seeing the print, 288 00:18:29.640 --> 00:18:32.400 and there was an old man there and we both 289 00:18:32.440 --> 00:18:34.880 thought each other was an animal, and both kind of 290 00:18:34.960 --> 00:18:38.079 jumped up. It startled, and I said, boy, did you 291 00:18:38.079 --> 00:18:41.400 see the size of these bear prints? And he says, ah, yeah, 292 00:18:41.480 --> 00:18:42.400 you think they're bear? 293 00:18:42.559 --> 00:18:45.279 Huh? And I says, you know, I didn't want to. 294 00:18:45.960 --> 00:18:47.960 I didn't want to get into a conversation because if 295 00:18:47.960 --> 00:18:51.200 someone you know isn't in the bigfoot community, you get 296 00:18:51.279 --> 00:18:53.640 kind of some strange looks if you think, oh it's 297 00:18:53.920 --> 00:18:55.039 you know, it's a saucequatch. 298 00:18:55.079 --> 00:18:56.359 But he knew. 299 00:18:57.480 --> 00:19:02.279 And then in the same area I was camping, and 300 00:19:02.599 --> 00:19:04.519 it was early in the morning. I was I had 301 00:19:04.559 --> 00:19:07.359 a campfire going, and I was making some of the 302 00:19:07.400 --> 00:19:10.720 instant pancakes and whatnot on my cole Mi stove, and 303 00:19:11.039 --> 00:19:14.599 like a Chevy, you know, a modified Chevy pickup truck 304 00:19:14.640 --> 00:19:16.160 with the big tires pulls up. 305 00:19:17.000 --> 00:19:17.920 And a younger guy. 306 00:19:18.359 --> 00:19:21.160 Of course, at my age, everyone's younger, but a guy 307 00:19:21.200 --> 00:19:23.720 into probably his thirties pulled up. And he came up 308 00:19:23.759 --> 00:19:26.400 and he wanted to chat for a while, and I 309 00:19:26.519 --> 00:19:28.200 was talking with him, and he said that he had 310 00:19:28.240 --> 00:19:32.279 been camping up a little bit higher up, which would 311 00:19:32.279 --> 00:19:35.640 be northeast of where I was camping. And he said 312 00:19:35.720 --> 00:19:41.880 that he during the night they heard those bellowing howls 313 00:19:42.640 --> 00:19:45.839 and you know, all sorts of what you know, like 314 00:19:45.960 --> 00:19:51.279 the Ron Moorhead Sierra sounds type vocalisms and things really 315 00:19:51.400 --> 00:19:55.559 loud and crashing together rocks and clanking rocks, and a 316 00:19:55.640 --> 00:19:58.880 lot of things attributed to what you know, what the 317 00:19:59.000 --> 00:20:03.759 Bigfoot community attributes to sasquatch. So he said, you know, 318 00:20:03.799 --> 00:20:06.200 they were all really nervous and things like that. 319 00:20:06.240 --> 00:20:07.839 So he said he woke up. 320 00:20:07.720 --> 00:20:10.920 In the morning and of the original five people in 321 00:20:10.960 --> 00:20:13.000 the camp, he was the only one left. So they 322 00:20:13.039 --> 00:20:16.279 all got scared and left in the night. So first 323 00:20:16.279 --> 00:20:18.440 thing in the morning he came down the hill and 324 00:20:18.480 --> 00:20:20.359 that was the first one he saw. So he pulled 325 00:20:20.359 --> 00:20:23.759 into my camp and was He started out by saying, 326 00:20:24.000 --> 00:20:27.279 you know, how do you feel about sasquatch. And I 327 00:20:27.319 --> 00:20:30.240 had an old leyandrover with sasquatch stickers all over, so 328 00:20:30.319 --> 00:20:33.680 I think he pretty much knew. But so he told 329 00:20:33.759 --> 00:20:37.720 me the story about the yelling and him been the 330 00:20:37.759 --> 00:20:42.119 last one left. But he also added that the year before, 331 00:20:42.279 --> 00:20:45.759 during deer season, he had gone up a trail to 332 00:20:46.000 --> 00:20:50.359 his hunting hunting blind, and while he was headed for 333 00:20:50.480 --> 00:20:53.039 his tree, it was a tree stand, and he said, 334 00:20:53.079 --> 00:20:55.680 on the way to the tree stand, he saw in 335 00:20:55.759 --> 00:21:01.400 the dust these what looked like bigfoot tracks. So he's 336 00:21:01.799 --> 00:21:03.519 he said, he took note of it, and he says 337 00:21:03.519 --> 00:21:05.720 when he was in a hurry to get to his 338 00:21:05.759 --> 00:21:08.279 tree stand, he says, tonight, when I come out of here, 339 00:21:08.920 --> 00:21:12.599 I'm gonna, you know, get photographs and and put down 340 00:21:12.640 --> 00:21:15.720 something to get size, you know, some kind of measurement, 341 00:21:16.319 --> 00:21:18.880 he says. Then he finished hunting, he went back down. 342 00:21:19.039 --> 00:21:21.279 He left a little early because he was excited about 343 00:21:21.279 --> 00:21:24.160 the tracks, and he said when he got there, the 344 00:21:24.240 --> 00:21:27.359 tracks were gone, but it looked like what he described 345 00:21:27.400 --> 00:21:30.599 as maybe a big hairy arm just went and wiped 346 00:21:30.640 --> 00:21:35.559 the tracks away, which I thought was really interesting. And 347 00:21:35.920 --> 00:21:38.359 in that same area, I think it was a year 348 00:21:38.400 --> 00:21:41.720 after that I was hunting with someone from Warwick the 349 00:21:41.839 --> 00:21:46.119 deer season and we're coming up just about the same 350 00:21:46.319 --> 00:21:51.039 area as the huckleberries. When I was I was hit 351 00:21:51.079 --> 00:21:55.359 by an enormous mushroom or toadstool, one of those things 352 00:21:55.640 --> 00:21:59.920 type of thing, right right in the neck. So, you know, 353 00:21:59.920 --> 00:22:02.079 I just the guy, the guy I was hunting with, 354 00:22:02.319 --> 00:22:04.039 was in front of me, so I know he didn't 355 00:22:04.079 --> 00:22:08.160 throw it, so it came down from from somewhere up above. 356 00:22:09.160 --> 00:22:12.359 But you know, a mushroom isn't something that can fall 357 00:22:12.359 --> 00:22:15.720 out of a tree. A mushroom has to be you know, 358 00:22:15.759 --> 00:22:19.079 pulled out of the ground and actually thrown. And there 359 00:22:19.400 --> 00:22:21.799 there wasn't any other cars or any sort of thing 360 00:22:21.880 --> 00:22:25.359 in the area, so that was kind of a strange thing. 361 00:22:26.000 --> 00:22:31.000 And then in that area that same hunting season, we 362 00:22:31.039 --> 00:22:33.440 went up. We went up really early and it was 363 00:22:33.480 --> 00:22:37.279 still dark and it was it was really cold. 364 00:22:37.799 --> 00:22:39.359 And we were on a quad. 365 00:22:39.720 --> 00:22:43.720 We took the quad up this dirt road until we 366 00:22:43.759 --> 00:22:48.240 found like a subsidiary or secondary trail that went upward 367 00:22:49.000 --> 00:22:52.160 and to the west, so we went up that quite 368 00:22:52.200 --> 00:22:55.839 a way and then we sat and waited. We were 369 00:22:55.920 --> 00:23:00.240 sitting there against a tree, waiting for the sun to rise, and. 370 00:23:00.240 --> 00:23:02.400 When the sun rose, that was a good spot. 371 00:23:02.119 --> 00:23:04.200 Because you had a it was almost like a theater 372 00:23:04.279 --> 00:23:06.559 where you could see the hole, this whole heelside that 373 00:23:06.680 --> 00:23:09.279 had game trails on it and whatnot. So we were 374 00:23:09.279 --> 00:23:11.960 waiting for the sun to ride to see that, and 375 00:23:12.000 --> 00:23:16.319 while it was still dark, we saw another quad coming 376 00:23:16.400 --> 00:23:20.839 up that small trail, and when it got close, a 377 00:23:20.920 --> 00:23:24.920 lady got off with a flashlight and came up and 378 00:23:25.039 --> 00:23:28.240 said she was a game warden and that we were 379 00:23:28.279 --> 00:23:32.279 to leave the area because they'd seen a grizzly bear, 380 00:23:33.480 --> 00:23:37.440 which she described, you know, this emidst grizzly bear, and 381 00:23:37.480 --> 00:23:39.640 she said it was a collar grizzly bear, which means 382 00:23:39.640 --> 00:23:42.319 it has a tracking device where it. You know, got 383 00:23:42.319 --> 00:23:47.559 out of Yellowstone Park and meandered up into North Idaho anyway, 384 00:23:47.680 --> 00:23:50.240 so we decided to get out of there. We both 385 00:23:50.279 --> 00:23:54.880 had only bolt action rifles, so it wouldn't do much 386 00:23:54.920 --> 00:23:59.599 good against a charging grizzly bear in the dark. So 387 00:23:59.640 --> 00:24:02.480 we hid down the hill and we got to about 388 00:24:02.480 --> 00:24:05.119 halfway to the quad, and there was another quad there 389 00:24:06.160 --> 00:24:09.440 and this guy was another government type guy, and he 390 00:24:09.559 --> 00:24:14.079 had camouflage on and he had a fifty caliber type 391 00:24:14.200 --> 00:24:19.599 sniper rifle, which was really huge for someone that you 392 00:24:19.640 --> 00:24:23.799 know in the game warden anyway, he was pretty much 393 00:24:23.920 --> 00:24:27.160 like the ex military or military type guy, so that 394 00:24:27.319 --> 00:24:27.920 was strange. 395 00:24:28.000 --> 00:24:29.200 So we walked kept walking. 396 00:24:29.240 --> 00:24:30.680 We got to the quad and there was two other 397 00:24:30.759 --> 00:24:33.559 hunters down there at the time, a man and his son, 398 00:24:34.240 --> 00:24:36.440 and he said to us, he says, so, did you 399 00:24:36.480 --> 00:24:38.960 guys get told to leave because of the grizzly bear? 400 00:24:39.640 --> 00:24:42.279 And we said yes, and he said he laughed and said, 401 00:24:42.319 --> 00:24:44.920