Speaker 1: Uh, what's up everybody? I should say good morning because
Speaker 1: it's morning for us. I don't know what time you're listening. Hi, Cecily, Hi.
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know if this is exciting for anybody.
Speaker 2: I've got a new microphone which seems to be glitching already.
Speaker 1: How do I sound? Uh?
Speaker 2: You sound good to me. We'll have to We'll have
Speaker 2: to see after we edit this show. Do I sound sexier?
Speaker 2: Do I sound I think they.
Speaker 1: Do sound sexier? Really? Yeah? Okay, okay, I do think. So.
Speaker 2: We have a big show today because this is a
Speaker 2: real Housewives of the OC and it was a it
Speaker 2: was a pretty big episode.
Speaker 1: Do you have macro notes?
Speaker 2: I do have one macro note, and it's kind of
Speaker 2: from the very beginning of the situation. And I don't
Speaker 2: I do not say this to be rude. We are
Speaker 2: not a show that like talks about physical appearances, usually
Speaker 2: except for OC, where I feel like it's you know,
Speaker 2: it's on the table. Is Terry getting plastic surgery to
Speaker 2: make his nose bigger? He, I swear to God like
Speaker 2: he's fucking with us. Well, he is maybe getting older.
Speaker 2: And I do think when men get older, I think
Speaker 2: their noses spread a little bit. That is true, but
Speaker 2: that is literally his job. This is his job. So
Speaker 2: you know, like we said last week, I think like,
Speaker 2: just go get Paul, Go get your your partner, get
Speaker 2: him to take care of that.
Speaker 1: I wish I could just go get Paul. I wish
Speaker 1: that was helping. I wish I could look in the
Speaker 1: mirror and be like, I need to go get Paul. Paul.
Speaker 1: I don't know that.
Speaker 2: I've watched botched. I don't know that we need Paul
Speaker 2: or Terry. I mean, I don't know. I feel like, what, look,
Speaker 2: he is a walking advertisement for himself, and so is she. Basically,
Speaker 2: you know, like that's his job, and so I feel
Speaker 2: like we need.
Speaker 1: To need to step that up. I was actually just
Speaker 1: looking at a plastic surgeon's website for reasons that I
Speaker 1: won't explain, and it was funny because this guy who's
Speaker 1: supposed to be like an excellent surgeon, and he looks
Speaker 1: super like nebishy. I don't know, he just and I
Speaker 1: was thinking, he doesn't even have good teeth. And I
Speaker 1: was kind of thinking, like, if your whole thing is
Speaker 1: like esthetics and making people's appearances look good, do you
Speaker 1: think you just get your teeth fixed. This is what
Speaker 1: I'm saying with Terry.
Speaker 2: It looked like a grouchanwel Marx like he was in
Speaker 2: a costume. Looked like he'd put on like a little
Speaker 2: like a face, like a mask. Well, Heather loves him
Speaker 2: and that's all that counts.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. She loves something about him. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know exactly what it is, but they So
Speaker 2: the reason it comes up is because there's a quick
Speaker 2: little update with them. They're just you know, they do
Speaker 2: you know, oh see all these shows, they go back
Speaker 2: and forth. So we have a quick little scene with them,
Speaker 2: then a quick little scene with Shannon.
Speaker 1: Right. Do you think that it's a show of of
Speaker 1: like power on the part of Heather that she seems
Speaker 1: to go first every time? Ooh, I don't know, because
Speaker 1: last episode they had their whole little scene first, which
Speaker 1: was the thing about her housing and you know that
Speaker 1: her her humongous pet house apartment is like a closet.
Speaker 1: Ye remember that.
Speaker 2: I'll never forget that that never forget. Yeah never, yeah,
Speaker 2: hashtag never forget. But yeah, maybe, I mean, I think
Speaker 2: they like to go with her first because there's just
Speaker 2: so much money. The whole the whole show is supposed
Speaker 2: to be about like these rich people.
Speaker 1: And you know she's the richest. Yeah, and you know,
Speaker 1: I've always had a problem with that concept, I guess
Speaker 1: ever since the beginning, because that was not what I
Speaker 1: was excited about. I was excited, super excited about The
Speaker 1: Real Housewives from the get go. When when it was
Speaker 1: first just an idea that we all heard about that
Speaker 1: we hadn't even seen it yet, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: watching basically Mom's housewives live their lives in the OC
Speaker 1: like a reality show, like the Real World. But I
Speaker 1: thought for like grown ups, that's what I thought it
Speaker 1: was going to be. I never had any interest in like,
Speaker 1: you know, house porn or any of the things that
Speaker 1: you know, money porn, like, I don't care. That wasn't
Speaker 1: why I was watching it, But I guess I was
Speaker 1: in the minority. No, it became a different show. I
Speaker 1: have to say.
Speaker 2: I did not like the original OC, Like before it
Speaker 2: found its way, I was like, what is the I
Speaker 2: don't like this. I don't like it's just too many
Speaker 2: realtors and I just didn't. But I think it was
Speaker 2: because it was the OC. Once once New York started
Speaker 2: and all that I was like, oh, this is great
Speaker 2: because I remember they used to struggle. Bethany was struggling.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, she didn't have I loved that. Yeah, No,
Speaker 2: it became it like slowly became MTV cribs. Yes, which
Speaker 2: it I mean it is, that's what it is now
Speaker 2: and they all try to outdo each other. So we
Speaker 2: have a quick thing with Heather and Terry. Then do
Speaker 2: you have any other macro notes before we get into
Speaker 2: Shannon about you?
Speaker 1: I well, you know, what I realized is that last
Speaker 1: week we started talking about a couple of their taglines,
Speaker 1: and that was because it was the first week that
Speaker 1: they actually did their taglines. That's why, because we were
Speaker 1: like did we even hear this before? How come we
Speaker 1: haven't talked about this? But so last week was the
Speaker 1: first week that we got to see who was actually
Speaker 1: had a tagline. And I have to read you Jen's
Speaker 1: tagline because it's so bad. People bend over backwards to
Speaker 1: get me and their form is terrible. What that's the best?
Speaker 1: That's the best they came up with. I mean, so
Speaker 1: you had to.
Speaker 2: You probably you know they got some intern or some
Speaker 2: I don't know, a low level story producer and they're
Speaker 2: like yeah, come up with twenty for each and that's
Speaker 2: the one. Their form is why why is she saying form?
Speaker 2: Does she play tennis? I forget No, Oh my god,
Speaker 2: it makes no sense.
Speaker 1: I yeah, no, I don't think she really does anything.
Speaker 1: They are checked out. Everyone's checked out, really checked out.
Speaker 1: And then Shannon's I also just wrote down, was even
Speaker 1: in the harshest times, this storms will always weather it.
Speaker 2: What if it just became like Shannon's is like Archie
Speaker 2: is my dog.
Speaker 1: That's it. You're like, oh, well, that's true, that's true.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing too, I don't think Shannon's weathering anything. No, no,
Speaker 1: she's not doing anything. Her should be like she's sheltering
Speaker 1: in place, is what she's really doing?
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, when times get tough, I do nothing. Fuck
Speaker 2: you Chance and John Janson.
Speaker 1: When times would get tough, I blame others that should
Speaker 1: just but that would be funny.
Speaker 2: But also they just get really specific. Yeah, Harry needs
Speaker 2: a nose job, that's hers. They're like, what, Terry's good
Speaker 2: with that? You guys, everybody's fine with that. Emily is
Speaker 2: like hers is. I'm ashamed of Shane, but you know,
Speaker 2: he helps keep the household running.
Speaker 1: Somehow. That would be our favorite thing. It's the thing
Speaker 1: that we always talk about. It's the truth in advertising,
Speaker 1: It's the Crazy People Doubly Moore movie. Yeah, let's just
Speaker 1: make it what it is, call it out. That's what
Speaker 1: we like. We like that stuff. Yeah. Oh, my name's Katie.
Speaker 1: I'm new and I bring nothing to the table. That
Speaker 1: would be great. I like it.
Speaker 2: Gina is like I have an accent that no one
Speaker 2: can recognize. I mean, I say, I'm from New York,
Speaker 2: but where we're really from?
Speaker 1: Is it Brooklyn? Is it Long Island? You'll never know
Speaker 1: Long Islands. I don't even know. I'm Gina. I don't
Speaker 1: know where I'm from, but it's New York. I'm walking.
Speaker 1: It's so long.
Speaker 2: She holds that up for so long that it's like
Speaker 2: two minutes into the show.
Speaker 1: M mmm. Now that's so. It's like too many Cooks.
Speaker 2: We need we need to do a Housewives that's like
Speaker 2: based on do you remember too many cooks?
Speaker 1: Too many cooks? Too many cooks? Do you don't know?
Speaker 1: What is that? I don't even know how to explain it.
Speaker 1: You know what?
Speaker 2: Put a pin in that, and we will we will
Speaker 2: discuss that on board a a f Okay, it's a
Speaker 2: whole thing.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: So Shannon goes to Katie's house and Katie I thought
Speaker 2: this was actually very sweet. It's Valentine's Day, so she
Speaker 2: gets Shannon flowers.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's so funny. No, I thought it
Speaker 1: was really condescending. Oh, I liked it. I thought it
Speaker 1: was kind of like, I have a husband who loves me,
Speaker 1: and you don't. You don't have anybody. So I'm your
Speaker 1: Valentine bitch.
Speaker 2: Honestly, if that were us and I came to your
Speaker 2: house and it's Valentine's Day and whatever, I would, I
Speaker 2: would love it if you gave me flower, I love it. Okay, noted, Okay,
Speaker 2: please note it in like a red pen.
Speaker 1: Let's remember this shit.
Speaker 2: I thought that was sweet. That was just a little
Speaker 2: bit of a second. H And then we had to
Speaker 2: go to the Emily. So Emily's it's Emily's fifteen year
Speaker 2: anniversary with you. I just wrote with Shane.
Speaker 1: See now I have okay, Oh well yeah, I have
Speaker 1: a little bit more from this, which is the Shannon
Speaker 1: yeah is like, yeah, it was nice not to have
Speaker 1: Alexus at the put pup party. It was really nice,
Speaker 1: you know, And but Tamar's been talking behind my back
Speaker 1: like she doesn't even know what's going on with me,
Speaker 1: Like she hasn't even checked in with me at all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because Tamar's mad at you for different things and she
Speaker 1: hasn't talked to you. But instead of being like I
Speaker 1: think Tamor might be pissed off at me, it's just
Speaker 1: like she's not even checking in with me. Why does
Speaker 1: everybody need to check in with her about it constantly?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Is she okay? She okays?
Speaker 2: Shannon okay, And I mean there's a world in winter
Speaker 2: that makes sense, but Shannon has always been the victim
Speaker 2: about everything, So people are just like enough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's That's kind of my thing, is that
Speaker 1: at the end of this, I know that you know
Speaker 1: and this is just what happens at the very end.
Speaker 1: But I was a little bit more team Tamer than
Speaker 1: probably most people, only because she's just sick of it
Speaker 1: at this point.
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Speaker 2: All right, Okay, So Emily is talking to Tama right.
Speaker 2: This is the part where she's talking about that it's
Speaker 2: her anniversary. They're annoyed that Jen went to Vegas. I
Speaker 2: thought it was interesting in this conversation that Tamar kind
Speaker 2: of defends Jen. She's like, well, I mean, what is
Speaker 2: she supposed to do? Stay home and be poor, because
Speaker 2: she's like, well, yeah, Ryan obviously paid for her to
Speaker 2: go to Vegas, like she went to Vegas.
Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing that I find interesting is different
Speaker 1: people in the show get triggered over different things. Uh huh,
Speaker 1: So like Emily and Gina are completely like out of
Speaker 1: their minds with everything that uh genders the gendaes again.
Speaker 1: But Tamra's just hating Shannon right now, right, so.
Speaker 2: You can only kind of It's like they can only
Speaker 2: hate one person at a time. Yeah, so she camer
Speaker 2: doesn't want to look so terrible, and she and Jen
Speaker 2: did have a relationship. They at one point where friends,
Speaker 2: but then had these huge fights.
Speaker 1: They've all i.
Speaker 2: Mean, nobody, nobody gets along. It's all just nightmare.
Speaker 1: So then they they know how Emily uh gets to
Speaker 1: be so snid to everybody. What's her? She's she's kind
Speaker 1: of a nothing on the show. I know, like she
Speaker 1: has no real storyline of her own except that she's
Speaker 1: married to an asshole. So I don't understand why she's
Speaker 1: just basically trying to be Greek chorus, and I cares.
Speaker 1: We don't need that because Gina's that, Gina's the great.
Speaker 2: The Greek course has to be someone like Bethany originally
Speaker 2: was somebody where you're like, I would that's who I
Speaker 2: would hang out with, which for.
Speaker 1: Me is Emily. I wouldn't.
Speaker 2: Can you imagine even if she was cool, she's like, oh,
Speaker 2: come over for dinner, you'd have to be with Shane.
Speaker 2: There's no world. I couldn't even look that guy in
Speaker 2: the eye. No, and not just because I'm taller than him,
Speaker 2: which is rare. I just don't like I really don't
Speaker 2: like him. So that was then I start talking again
Speaker 2: about the Katie versus Heather thing, and I'm so sick
Speaker 2: of this made up fight. Yeah, and and they keep
Speaker 2: saying sorry, they keep saying, Heather. You know, I wouldn't
Speaker 2: go against Heather. She will tear you apart. She will
Speaker 2: tear you a new one. I've never seen Heather do that. No,
Speaker 2: not any more than Tamra. I mean, we actually get mad,
Speaker 2: but she's I'd much rather go against Heather than Tamera
Speaker 2: Camra is like a night a drunken nightmare.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I agree. I agree. So then they go back
Speaker 1: to Heather. So, who's Heather with? My notes are a
Speaker 1: little weird at this time, Yeah, because I wrote why
Speaker 1: did Katie tell all the girls about the paparazzi stuff? Yeah?
Speaker 2: They have that conversation. So then it goes over to Heather.
Speaker 2: Gina comes over to Heather's and Jen comes to surprisingly.
Speaker 2: So now they're all together, right, and Harry is asking
Speaker 2: dumb questions like, oh, your relationships, just leave Terry right right, right,
Speaker 2: right right? How's Travis, how's the how's this guy? How's
Speaker 2: that guy? Okay, just don't worry about it. Just go
Speaker 2: do whatever you do. Go get your take, go get
Speaker 2: your stuff, taking care of dude.
Speaker 1: Okay. So basically Heather is calling out Gina a little bit.
Speaker 1: She's like, so, when did Katie tell you about this
Speaker 1: paparazzi stuff? H right, yes, And then Gina's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: like sorry about well now I'm doing like a Midwest
Speaker 1: accent that's kind of Canadians on the island, sorry about
Speaker 1: the Katie stuff. And then Heather's like, well, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: irritated now, like this is irritating, Like why did I
Speaker 1: get like blindsided by this?
Speaker 2: Basically, Now, what's your take on this?
Speaker 1: Because I watched a.
Speaker 2: Little bit this conversation later on watch what happens, and
Speaker 2: it's sort of like, I think Gina's thing is like
Speaker 2: I just want I thought it would blow over because
Speaker 2: it was such a dumb thing. I just didn't want
Speaker 2: to create a fight. But then she kind of did
Speaker 2: create the fight because she did tell her. I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't know who side on this one because I
Speaker 2: think it's such a nonsense. Maybe Heather's right, though, maybe
Speaker 2: she I just talked myself into Heather. Maybe she's right,
Speaker 2: like she should have told her. Well, okay, I think
Speaker 2: it's sort of a meta kind of thing. It's like
Speaker 2: if behind the scenes, if they know that Katie's thing
Speaker 2: is going to be like I'm to come for Heather,
Speaker 2: I've got receipts, I'm going to do this thing. I
Speaker 2: do think that if they if she's really pretending, if
Speaker 2: Gina is really like, oh Hea, there's one of my
Speaker 2: close friends, then yeah, she should have said, like just
Speaker 2: a heads up, this is what this girl has planned.
Speaker 1: So Heather could have been more prepared, you know what.
Speaker 2: I think she was this conversation though, so Jen like
Speaker 2: chimes in no one cares, and then when they're having
Speaker 2: they start She's like, I fucked up. Gina's like I
Speaker 2: fucked up and I'm sorry, and Heather's like thank you,
Speaker 2: And I love that because it's such a New Yorker
Speaker 2: to New Yorkers like solve things really easily. Really, it's like, yes,
Speaker 2: I own this, I'm sorry, and like, I appreciate that
Speaker 2: squashed right right.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 2: I love I really, I really was like, I mean
Speaker 2: I wish that just could be the world. Yes, that's
Speaker 2: two reasonable people do we like, yeah, okay. But then
Speaker 2: on the opposite side, we go back to Shannon. Shannon
Speaker 2: and Katie are talking and Shannon, who like always sticks
Speaker 2: her like she is so mad that anybody has an
Speaker 2: opinion about her life, but she has so many opinions.
Speaker 1: About other people's lives. I just I can't. I can't
Speaker 1: with her. She's like, yeah, well, if it's if it's
Speaker 1: true about the paparazzi thing, then like why is she
Speaker 1: denying it? And then Katie's like, I have proof, and
Speaker 1: then she literally shows the same stupid text with the
Speaker 1: guy that nobody knows or has heard of that apparently
Speaker 1: is in charge of all paparazzi all over the world.
Speaker 1: She shows that same text with her saying so did
Speaker 1: she really call the paps on herself and the guy
Speaker 1: going yes, like that's proof, and then Katie says, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, Gina really hung me up to dry I
Speaker 1: think Gina regrets doing it. And then they're all talking
Speaker 1: about how Gina is like such a sick aphant to Heather,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's true.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it is, Well it is true, but like
Speaker 2: it's such a dumb it's such a nothing argument.
Speaker 1: The whole thing so stupid. Well, here's here's what kind
Speaker 1: of bugs me about this whole thing. Katie is brand new,
Speaker 1: and I don't like it when people think, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: going to have this like crazy big storyline and I'm
Speaker 1: going to get myself right in the middle of the drama.
Speaker 1: It is always a recipe to be one and done
Speaker 1: on this show because show have a storyline. This is
Speaker 1: kind of a Crystal thing at this point, and not
Speaker 1: just because they're both Asian. Yeah, Crystal tried to come
Speaker 1: in hot like this. She had the same like sort
Speaker 1: of older husband and she and she was younger. I
Speaker 1: think Katie's young and I think they they think they
Speaker 1: get a sense of importance that they haven't earned.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and they also have watched the show, so they
Speaker 2: think that they're going to be they're going to play
Speaker 2: everyone because they know they know all the moving parts,
Speaker 2: so they know which buttons to push, right, But you're right,
Speaker 2: it never works out because to them, to the ogs,
Speaker 2: they're like, who is this on fly? You know who's
Speaker 2: exactly got to hear?
Speaker 1: And then they're mad though about people not coming to
Speaker 1: their defense, and it's like, but you do understand that
Speaker 1: these people have been on a show on a cast
Speaker 1: before you what makes you think that they're going to
Speaker 1: suddenly turn on their own regular cast members and go like,
Speaker 1: oh Katie, you.
Speaker 2: Got her, You got her? So dumb, it's so dumb. Well,
Speaker 2: I still think that the whole thing is Heather's just
Speaker 2: trying to get off the show anyway, so like they
Speaker 2: needed something. But they've been doing that to her for
Speaker 2: a while. They always get they're jealous, right fancy pants?
Speaker 2: They call her yeah, okay, because what she can read.
Speaker 2: But so back to Heather and Gina still going on
Speaker 2: about this. They squashed it, but then Heather's like, but
Speaker 2: exactly how long ago did Katie start talking shit and
Speaker 2: Gina's like it was a couple of months ago. And
Speaker 2: then Jen tells the camera that she thinks Gina's to
Speaker 2: blame for this issue with Heather, which is sort of true.
Speaker 1: But I think that I think Katie would have done
Speaker 1: this with somebody else. She tried to use Gina to
Speaker 1: start the trouble, but Katie would have just gone to
Speaker 1: somebody about this totally. Of course, she needs to stay
Speaker 1: on the show. She has nothing really yet, I don't
Speaker 1: dislike her. We have different views on Katie. I kind
Speaker 1: of like her, but I'm not totally sure why. But
Speaker 1: I guess just because, like.
Speaker 2: You know, occasionally they have someone come in and they're
Speaker 2: they're just kind of a little smarter than the others,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know. She elevates the show a little.
Speaker 2: We'll see, Okay, so let's talk about this Emily. Sheene okay,
Speaker 2: for oh, I have a lot to say about that,
Speaker 2: so much to say that this made me sick. So
Speaker 2: it's their anniversary. They go to dinner and she's like,
Speaker 2: what'd you do? He's like, I took care of the
Speaker 2: kids all day. He says things like that to her, M.
Speaker 1: What he's so gross. How could she? What? What is
Speaker 1: it about him? What's so passive? Aggressive? Yes? And what
Speaker 1: is the redeeming? Quite like, what are we missing? I
Speaker 1: don't know, but somebody on like Reddit or something was like, oh,
Speaker 1: yeah they have like a nice relationship. No they don't.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Then he's so weird.
Speaker 2: He's like an he's like at fifteen, he feels he's
Speaker 2: very emotionally stunted. He gives her this, he upscales her
Speaker 2: engagement ringers, and he gives her this big old rock
Speaker 2: and did she paid for Yeah?
Speaker 1: Did you notice? She's like, oh, thanks? She goes, She
Speaker 1: literally just goes, that's nice.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, cause she's she's also kind of terrible. But
Speaker 2: now now comes her a present. She took these crazy
Speaker 2: naked picks or they're not naked but kind of whatever.
Speaker 1: Yes, boudoir photos.
Speaker 2: So she pulls those out and he's like, oh, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: that's nice. And later this is a little bit of
Speaker 2: a jump ahead. It really made me laugh when they
Speaker 2: were outside because he, obviously this was off camera, had
Speaker 2: said this doesn't look anything like you. So he's holding
Speaker 2: it up to passers by and saying, does this look
Speaker 2: can you tell that the this is my wife m M,
Speaker 2: which is kind of funny actually, because of course it
Speaker 2: looks nothing like her, right, it's so photoshopped, it might
Speaker 2: as well just be like, you know, Cindy Crawford. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's absurd. I mean it's very nice, I guess. But
Speaker 2: where are they going to put that? Where are you
Speaker 2: going to hang that?
Speaker 1: I mean, well, that's the thing. Are you that into
Speaker 1: yourself that you're going to hang that in your living room?
Speaker 1: I don't get it.
Speaker 2: Your kids to see that, Like, yeah, I mean, ew,
Speaker 2: it's what what's happening there? But that happens later that
Speaker 2: kind of made. But he's not that into it either.
Speaker 2: They're both like yeah, things okay, And.
Speaker 1: They're trying to bring us this storyline that you know,
Speaker 1: Emily's like, you know, you said that you were going
Speaker 1: to like I said, I was going to try to
Speaker 1: like go to the gym less, but you said you
Speaker 1: were going to try to like go to the gym
Speaker 1: more like you were going to be healthy. And that's
Speaker 1: their whole thing that they're trying to build sort of
Speaker 1: a fight around, which is such a who cares? Right,
Speaker 1: I don't care? I know, I know, I know it's
Speaker 1: so dumb. So then or did you notice too well?
Speaker 1: I have one little comment, so Shane. So I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's just to create something, but you know,
Speaker 1: she's like, I just wanted you to be healthier. And
Speaker 1: so he's he's like, I'm going to order the meat
Speaker 1: Lover's pizza and he doesn't know how to pronounce supreme?
Speaker 1: Did you get that? Did you hear that? He goes,
Speaker 1: can I get the supreme? He goes? Then he kind
Speaker 1: of corrected it. He goes the supreme Supreme. Maybe that's
Speaker 1: an eyesight thing.
Speaker 2: Maybe for a second, you know, that does happen sometimes
Speaker 2: we've all had I'm not don't make me defend Shane.
Speaker 1: Okay, but then he orders fries as an entree and
Speaker 1: I was like, now you're just fucking with us, and
Speaker 1: she's like.
Speaker 3: Ah, he loves his fries. He loves his fries. We're
Speaker 3: so silly also also, and this is just for you.
Speaker 3: But so they do these questions that the producers gave them,
Speaker 3: some staged questions. Okay, I have a question for you.
Speaker 3: If you could go back fifteen years, would you still
Speaker 3: marry me? And then they do like another questions like.
Speaker 1: These two people have so little to talk about that
Speaker 1: they have to give them. Like I understand this, if
Speaker 1: you're sending people on a first date, if it's like
Speaker 1: a dating show and you're like okay, if it's like
Speaker 1: love is Blind, then they come in with questions. But
Speaker 1: these two have been married fifteen years. If their storyline
Speaker 1: is that shitty that you have to give them questions
Speaker 1: to ask each other, how about just don't show them.
Speaker 2: Right, agreed, don't show kick them off the show. She's
Speaker 2: not going anywhere. Though she's kind of a favorite, she's
Speaker 2: off and unwatch what happens. He likes her, Andy Cohen,
Speaker 2: I guess I don't know why. I think he thinks.
Speaker 2: I think there's this idea that Emily elevates the show
Speaker 2: as well because she's a lawyer, she's intelligent. You know,
Speaker 2: for a long time we were just dealing with like Vicky,
Speaker 2: Tamra Shannon. It was really low end, right, So I
Speaker 2: think they're trying to and you know, once they brought
Speaker 2: Emily and Gina, I think kind of they did take
Speaker 2: it to a different level. But they're just She's just
Speaker 2: not likable, No, not at all, by the way. I
Speaker 2: just peek behind a curtain. So I have this Okay,
Speaker 2: this kind of gross. But do you ever get like
Speaker 2: canker sores on your tongue? Yes, forget those? So I
Speaker 2: you know, so I use this like oral pain. You know,
Speaker 2: you put the little gel on it so it doesn't hurt,
Speaker 2: and I just did it, but I put too much
Speaker 2: and so now my mouth isn't moving right, So I apologize.
Speaker 1: I didn't really have to tell you guys all that,
Speaker 1: but that's how much I trust you.
Speaker 2: Now my lip is like you know when you go
Speaker 2: to the dentist and you're like, your lip isn't moving.
Speaker 2: That's happening, just so you know, Okay, I'm no I
Speaker 2: know I seem perfect. I'm just far from it. Just
Speaker 2: I just put my pants on just like you guys,
Speaker 2: both legs at a time. Why would you even say,
Speaker 2: who would brag about that?
Speaker 1: I'm just the same as you, Like, I don't have
Speaker 1: somebody that puts my pants on for me, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: what is the alternative?
Speaker 2: Or I just like that, just like I just you know,
Speaker 2: I hop both legs into one pant leg, you know,
Speaker 2: And that's all I use you guys.
Speaker 1: It's just like you guys stars. Okay, they're just like us.
Speaker 2: So Katie and Gina go to coffee and I didn't care.
Speaker 2: We already sort of had this conversation about them. Katie's
Speaker 2: mad that Gina stayed loyal to Heather, and then again I.
Speaker 1: Did think that this was kind of weird. Yes, that
Speaker 1: she's like, I felt really abandoned. She starts crying, what
Speaker 1: is Katie doing? Please tell me, because you're saying you
Speaker 1: like her. What I don't get it.
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't like this moment where she cried, and
Speaker 2: poor Gina was like, oh my god, oh my, I'm
Speaker 2: so sorry.
Speaker 1: I'm oh my god. Yeah, except for the fact that
Speaker 1: she's not really sorry because basically Katie's like, you took
Speaker 1: Heather's side. Yeah, because they've known each other for a
Speaker 1: long time. They're on a show.
Speaker 2: Together, right, they're actual friends.
Speaker 1: And Gina goes, well, yeah, but I told you not
Speaker 1: to bring it up, so that's your fault. And if
Speaker 1: I took if I took your side, Heather would be
Speaker 1: would have been mad at me. I'm from New York.
Speaker 1: Then she actually, if you think about it, I should
Speaker 1: have had us back now Jeopardy because of the choices
Speaker 1: you made. Loves in Jeopardy Baby.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's get to Shannon and Jean the Machine. Oh,
Speaker 2: which actually brings me to a good f Mary kill
Speaker 2: Jeane the Machine Shane.
Speaker 1: Or Ryan, Jen's husband or boyfriend.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's a tough one.
Speaker 1: I marry Jane the Machine. Obviously it's kind of a drunk.
Speaker 1: But okay, a drunk with I think a lot of money.
Speaker 1: All right, So you married Gane the Machine. You kill
Speaker 1: Shane easy, Okay, that's yes, all right. I got to
Speaker 1: make these harder.
Speaker 2: So Shannon goes to lunch with her dad Jane the Machine,
Speaker 2: And did you notice when she's talking about her childhood
Speaker 2: and showing picture's like, yeah, I mean yeah, we drank
Speaker 2: like everyone drank. Sure, we had champagne and all that
Speaker 2: stuff in our fridge. It was the seventies. We were fun.
Speaker 2: She keeps saying that over like she's real, trying to
Speaker 2: convince herself that she does not have an issue. We're
Speaker 2: just fun.
Speaker 1: So f fun people I have. I don't know that
Speaker 1: I've ever seen somebody who is less self aware than Shannon.
Speaker 2: The thing is, I think she is self aware, she
Speaker 2: just can't she just doesn't want to deal with it.
Speaker 1: I think she knows, you do?
Speaker 2: I weirdly do I think that like she's I think
Speaker 2: she's breaking down this season. I could be wrong, but
Speaker 2: I feel like she knows but just is not can't
Speaker 2: handle it.
Speaker 1: What do you think she knows? Do you think she
Speaker 1: knows that she's an alcoholic because she's sure of fighting
Speaker 1: with people a lot. But I think this is like
Speaker 1: the stage.
Speaker 2: Although I think the problem for her is that she's
Speaker 2: on a show with a lot of big party drinkers,
Speaker 2: all of them, so it sort of feels unfair. She's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: well I'm the one who got you know, the most
Speaker 2: fucked up this time, but so did Gina. Gina's had
Speaker 2: a dui. You know, you look at it. They all
Speaker 2: drink a lot.
Speaker 1: Gina doesn't drink anymore, right, she did stop, but it's okay,
Speaker 1: But you've got that she doesn't. She drink a little bit.
Speaker 2: I think Sheina does occasions she could drink, but when
Speaker 2: Leuanne got into all that trouble, she kind of tried
Speaker 2: to get sober but then didn't right and kind of
Speaker 2: sort of settled back into whatever works for her, you know,
Speaker 2: for as long as she can make that work. But
Speaker 2: then you got Tamra, you got Emily, They're all just
Speaker 2: wasted when they go out. Tamrasn't out of control. Vicki's
Speaker 2: out of control. So she feels like, why am I
Speaker 2: the only one that can't have two drinks?
Speaker 1: Right? But the thing is, and we'll get to this later,
Speaker 1: the thing is that none of the other people, well Gina,
Speaker 1: Gina did get arrested for a dui, so and now
Speaker 1: she's doing something about it. The other women, I mean,
Speaker 1: Shannon has been like this as as we were even
Speaker 1: talking about off the air since season one. Yeah, herself,
Speaker 1: so sure to be constantly going like, it's not fair,
Speaker 1: it's just so, it's just so childish. Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2: There have been seasons past where they had like interventions.
Speaker 2: For Shannon, this is not I mean many many times.
Speaker 2: They had one in the hotel when they were on vacation,
Speaker 2: at that party. I mean there have been so many
Speaker 2: different ones. You're right, No, it's beyond and they're sick
Speaker 2: of it. But then she's having this conversation with her
Speaker 2: dad and she's she's like, yeah, we're so fun, We're
Speaker 2: so fun, fun fun. Oh yeah, ps, can you please
Speaker 2: install a breathalyzer? No, biggie Yeah, says to her. There's
Speaker 2: obviously something going on because the dad goes, are you
Speaker 2: cutting down on your drinking? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And then she goes, dad, I barely drink. I limit
Speaker 1: myself to two. So she's already, you know, putting that
Speaker 1: like I hardly drink. Well, first of all, if you
Speaker 1: limit yourself, if you have two drinks every single day,
Speaker 1: then that's fourteen drinks a week, which is not really nothing. No,
Speaker 1: it's definitely don't. I don't think that's what they mean
Speaker 1: when people say two drinks limit. I don't think they
Speaker 1: mean every day, but maybe she does.
Speaker 2: She's definitely an not Oh, I'm not in no way
Speaker 2: am I saying she doesn't have an issue. She's an
Speaker 2: alcoholic and it's sad. It's hard to see, but I
Speaker 2: think she's starting to kind of I could be wrong
Speaker 2: about that. She's in denial about so many things, like
Speaker 2: she the John Jansen that she owes she he's suing
Speaker 2: her for seventy five thousand or he's asking for a
Speaker 2: seventy five thousand back and he's going to sue her,
Speaker 2: And doesn't the dad say like, well, did did he
Speaker 2: give it to you? And then they try to do
Speaker 2: that narrative again where it's like, yeah, but didn't you
Speaker 2: pay for every like you know, she had conversations with
Speaker 2: everybody off camera, and because she did it with Vicky too,
Speaker 2: where you everybody goes, yeah, but didn't you pay for everything?
Speaker 1: Did she pay for everything? I don't think so? Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: if if she paid for everything, why would he be
Speaker 1: the one? Why would she be going to him for money? Exactly?
Speaker 1: If she's got so much money, get your own fucking facelift.
Speaker 1: I don't understand why. I mean, I don't understand why
Speaker 1: he would have to be wiring money into her account.
Speaker 1: It makes no sense.
Speaker 2: She did not pay for it. She wouldn't have done that.
Speaker 2: She wouldn't have been with David and then been with
Speaker 2: this guy.
Speaker 1: This is what she says too. So the dad goes, well,
Speaker 1: do you owe him money? And Shannon says she does
Speaker 1: not say unequivocally, of course not he gave She goes,
Speaker 1: she goes, well, as far as I was concerned, he
Speaker 1: was giving me the money, I never signed anything. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: well I think that that sounds so sus I am
Speaker 1: concerned as far as I was concerned, So what does
Speaker 1: that mean? Does that mean, like, well, I've paid for
Speaker 1: dinner a bunch of times, so like I shouldn't have
Speaker 1: to pay him back, Like what does it mean? I
Speaker 1: don't believe. I personally don't believe, and I don't know
Speaker 1: anything about John Jansen. He seems horrible, But I don't
Speaker 1: believe that that guy would be suing her if he
Speaker 1: really did give her a gift, because there's got to
Speaker 1: be proof of that. There's got to be texts where
Speaker 1: either she where he was like, no, I insist that
Speaker 1: you don't have to pay me back. I guarantee you.
Speaker 2: She was like, I'll pay you back one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: Was alone, That's what I wrote down to you. I wrote, wait,
Speaker 2: so it was alone because she's not denying it, she's
Speaker 2: talking circles around it. And you're right, I don't think
Speaker 2: he wants anything to do with her. I mean, he's disgusting.
Speaker 2: He's like, I don't think he's Brooks level, but you know,
Speaker 2: not far.
Speaker 1: Then Shannon says, which I think also plays into it. Shannon,
Speaker 1: who's just the perpetual victim, is like it says in
Speaker 1: the letter that I have until Tuesday to come up
Speaker 1: with a repayment plan. So you can't even agree to
Speaker 1: make payments to him. You're just like, you know, you
Speaker 1: gave me a facelift. Okay, first of all, let's just
Speaker 1: say the facelift, because this is what Shannon claims was
Speaker 1: thirty five thousand dollars. Let's just say Jesus, so he
Speaker 1: gave her thirty five thousand dollars and then he gave
Speaker 1: her another thirty thousand dollars. He's wiring her money into
Speaker 1: her account. Do people really just go like, I just
Speaker 1: want to give you thirty grand I no, wire it
Speaker 1: into your account, just for fun, just for fun. Well, yes, exactly,
Speaker 1: a guy that you're claiming had no money and you
Speaker 1: paid for everything.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm yeah, no, absolutely not totally not so. So
Speaker 2: now Dad's like, well, I don't care what it costs.
Speaker 2: You have to fight it. You go for the jugular.
Speaker 2: He's giving his daughter very bad advice. Well but yeah,
Speaker 2: but here's the thing. Here's where this episode got interesting.
Speaker 2: Both Shannon and then later like Alexis who is the
Speaker 2: voice of John Jansen, which is all just one big nightmare,
Speaker 2: one big nightmare. Yeah, they're both saying back and forth,
Speaker 2: I got receipts.
Speaker 1: You just wait.
Speaker 2: They're both saying like, you don't want what I have
Speaker 2: on you to come out, right, So either I mean
Speaker 2: somebody has something, and I think maybe they might both
Speaker 2: have stuff. It could be horrible stuff that John Jansen
Speaker 2: has said via text that she's going to put out,
Speaker 2: or that Alexis you know, I'm sure of course Alexis
Speaker 2: has receipts. Of course she does, because yes, it was alone.
Speaker 2: But also Alexis, stay out of it.
Speaker 1: This is between I mean.
Speaker 2: How she's so uh, I get And then that brings
Speaker 2: us to the next scene, which is Alexis and Tamra, who,
Speaker 2: by the way, they hated each other so much. Tamra
Speaker 2: named her Jesus jugs right, and by the way, those
Speaker 2: those Jesus jugs were bought by her husband, Jim the
Speaker 2: Worst the Worst, who also sued along with Alexis Tamra,
Speaker 2: right was last season. But now they're friends because they
Speaker 2: can just hate Shannon together.
Speaker 1: Because the enemy of my enemy is my friend. It's
Speaker 1: I mean classic. They're both horrible mean girls. I mean,
Speaker 1: Tamra is an incredible mean girl and always has been
Speaker 1: and just doesn't care, right, and also how weird too,
Speaker 1: especially given like their kids stuff. So Alexis, like we
Speaker 1: talked about, has a trans child.
Speaker 2: Tamra has a kid that like speaks really horribly about
Speaker 2: trans Peter. How did they ever have a conversation, Like,
Speaker 2: I wonder, I wonder how much Alexis even knows about that.
Speaker 1: I think les Is I would. I think she knows
Speaker 1: and doesn't really care because she's so self interested that
Speaker 1: it just doesn't matter. She wants to be on this show.
Speaker 1: She wants She's dying to be famous. I think John
Speaker 1: Jansen's dying to be famous too, totally with Shannon and
Speaker 1: probably really despised her the whole time. I bet you,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2: So of course they're talking about it and still talking
Speaker 2: about rehab.
Speaker 1: Oh didn't you go to rehabs? She didn't go, tob and.
Speaker 2: Tam was mad because Shannon didn't go to the rehabs
Speaker 2: she wanted her. She went to like, you know, one
Speaker 2: of those pamper yoga retreats. I guess, yeah, which I
Speaker 2: think it was, like do you remember and we've talked
Speaker 2: about this Enlightened, Yes, remember when so in Enlightened, Laura
Speaker 2: Dern goes to like a one of those places where
Speaker 2: she's like, yeah, we did.
Speaker 1: Yoga and blah blah blah. There were people there for addiction,
Speaker 1: but I was there for like my mental health, and
Speaker 1: she swam with the turtles. Right, But because there are
Speaker 1: people there, and this is going to come back later
Speaker 1: because Shannon's like, I couldn't drink in my program. But
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that she ever admitted that she was
Speaker 1: there for alcohol, right. She probably just thought she was
Speaker 1: really stressed out because of John Jansen. He called and
Speaker 1: she John Jansen. You don't know the truth about John.
Speaker 2: But the thing is, like Shannon, she she probably had
Speaker 2: to go when she got the arrest. I think there
Speaker 2: were things she had to do. Yeah, oh yeah, But.
Speaker 1: She probably didn't even acknowledge in there that she has
Speaker 1: a problem with alcohol, which is so Also, this is
Speaker 1: a scene where they flash over to Alexis who's talking
Speaker 1: to producers, and she seems crazy. She's like maniacally going, yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't get invited to a party because Shannon got invited.
Speaker 1: You want some fun at your party, you need Lexi.
Speaker 2: She's renamed herself like sexy Lexi, Like no, no, no,
Speaker 2: you don't get to give yourself a nickname.
Speaker 1: Then they talk about yourself in the third person, he's
Speaker 1: a good time.
Speaker 2: She's always been the worst. She really is terrible, and
Speaker 2: seeing her is it's triggering to me because she was
Speaker 2: always very like judgmental if people weren't like super religious,
Speaker 2: super Christian, like she's she's that comes up later, but
Speaker 2: she's just, oh, she's awful.
Speaker 1: They're all so bad, which is.
Speaker 2: Great a great segue into the next scene, which is
Speaker 2: that they're gonna party at a bar. Now now they're
Speaker 2: having a big like drink cocktail tasting. Right of course
Speaker 2: they are, But I just wanted.
Speaker 1: To talk about this like a tiny bit more because
Speaker 1: this this sets up something, which is that so Tarma
Speaker 1: basically is saying that Shannon's an alcoholic and and she
Speaker 1: says she's been a mess the entire ten years I've
Speaker 1: known her. So this is where even though I don't
Speaker 1: like Tamra clearly, but I also was kind of feeling
Speaker 1: Tama is the kind of person who I think, who
Speaker 1: like wants to help you, wants to help you, wants
Speaker 1: to help you, wants to come across and look like
Speaker 1: the good friend until she doesn't, and then she just
Speaker 1: totally turns on you. But in her defense, she's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like basically they show a flashback to season one, which
Speaker 1: we were talking about with Shannon, So this is ten
Speaker 1: years ago. This is way proceeds John Jansen, who she's
Speaker 1: going to claim later is the reason she drinks. They
Speaker 1: show her season one at a party at Tamar's house,
Speaker 1: screaming and going crazy and they called they had to
Speaker 1: call the ambulance. Do you remember that? And of course,
Speaker 1: and then that's they had an intervention with her that
Speaker 1: early I believe season one they called the freaking nine
Speaker 1: to one one because Shannon was so drunk and screaming
Speaker 1: around the house and I think like saying she was
Speaker 1: going to kill herself or something.
Speaker 2: I don't remember that, but she was very upset. She
Speaker 2: was really riled up.
Speaker 1: But super super super drunk. So then Tamra says, this
Speaker 1: is in that same scene, Tamra's talking to camera and
Speaker 1: she's like, even my kids would say to me, Mom,
Speaker 1: don't pick up the phone, like you can't save her.
Speaker 1: And she says she tried to help her, and then
Speaker 1: she says, but like whenever if I had a problem,
Speaker 1: Shannon like wasn't there for me. And I thought, this
Speaker 1: does track because I have had a friend like this
Speaker 1: that you know, where it was always, always, always create
Speaker 1: like craziness as mental illness, chaos, and if I wasn't
Speaker 1: there for it, then I was like the enemy, right
Speaker 1: if I didn't but never if there was ever something
Speaker 1: about me. And this goes way back to way early
Speaker 1: days of my friendship with this person. Yes, she would
Speaker 1: almost act like she didn't know me. Yeah, if it
Speaker 1: was like my thing, and I put up with it
Speaker 1: for a really long time. So I was sort of
Speaker 1: empathizing with Tamra that, like, Okay, wait a minute, since
Speaker 1: I met her, she was a total hot, unstable mess
Speaker 1: and everybody's rallied around her all the time. But it's
Speaker 1: always other people's fault. Because then she says to Alexa,
Speaker 1: she's like, and now she's blaming John for her drinking, right, And.
Speaker 2: Then that's so very true. That's so true what Tamra says.
Speaker 2: It's just what happens in the next scene is madness.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: But I understand. I'm glad you actually brought that up,
Speaker 2: because yeah, it does make it make a little more
Speaker 2: sense when we get to that, which is okay, let's
Speaker 2: get to this scene.
Speaker 1: So Gina's throwing like a cocktail party.
Speaker 2: Which I think is weird. I'm not sure. I don't
Speaker 2: think Gina doesn't drink. I really don't. You right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: she does drink. I mean she doesn't drink and drive
Speaker 2: anymore interesting, Okay, But I don't think she's totally sober.
Speaker 2: Maybe she is, I you know what, we should probably
Speaker 2: know that. But I why would she throw this and
Speaker 2: the guy comes out?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she doesn't ever really talk about like sobriety
Speaker 1: or talk about not drinking. But here's another thing. I'll say,
Speaker 1: it's very possible that Gina got a DUI and is
Speaker 1: not an alcoholic. Like I believe that we talked about
Speaker 1: this before. Gina could have been going through a really
Speaker 1: hard time in her life and abusing alcohol and.
Speaker 2: Or just not that day yet, that day where she
Speaker 2: was doing a bunch of stuff and went to like
Speaker 2: some weird afternoon event and had two or three glasses
Speaker 2: rather than one, and that was it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And the big a big difference though to me
Speaker 1: from where I sit, is that Shannon has been having
Speaker 1: horrible problems with getting drunk and like freaking out on
Speaker 1: people for years and years and years totally. So there
Speaker 1: is to me a really big difference. And I think
Speaker 1: that Gina and it makes more sense now that I
Speaker 1: think about it, if she drinks. That's why Gina is
Speaker 1: always so so careful not to judge, because you know
Speaker 1: she's like, well, I drink. I mean, it's very possible
Speaker 1: that she's not an alcoholic. I guess, like I don't
Speaker 1: know her that well.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, saying and so, but it's also
Speaker 2: hard I have to say. I mean, Chanton can quit
Speaker 2: the show, I guess, but every it's like producers are
Speaker 2: making it impossible for her because everything is really about drink.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's that's an excuse. I fully disagree
Speaker 1: with that. She is a grown woman. Kyle quit drinking
Speaker 1: good on me on Beverly Hills. And although it wasn't
Speaker 1: complaining about like oh my gosh, their mate, they're forcing
Speaker 1: me to drink. I will say this, you're right to.
Speaker 1: I agree with you.
Speaker 2: But I do think that the OC, in particular, and
Speaker 2: similar to New York, it is so drink it's so
Speaker 2: drink heavy. They're such big partiers, whereas in Beverly Hills,
Speaker 2: so it's Beverly Hills. Well, I guess, just what's her face, Sutton,
Speaker 2: because like when it's somebody who, by the way, is
Speaker 2: like inserting herself in this show as well. Sutton's really
Speaker 2: the one you look at and you go okay, compared
Speaker 2: to the others, she doesn't.
Speaker 1: I would say every single event they do at Beverly Hills,
Speaker 1: they're drinking. You don't have to drink. I mean, you
Speaker 1: saw with Alexis and Tamra they got to and they
Speaker 1: were as she made a joke that like, oh, we're
Speaker 1: just getting together for to eat cheese and drink diet coke.
Speaker 1: M yeah, I mean it's because Shannon's not doing any work,
Speaker 1: actual work on herself of like seeing her part in anything.
Speaker 2: Well, she's not even I was gonna say she's like
Speaker 2: a dry drunk, but she's not even dry. She's still
Speaker 2: she drank at this event, right, She's You're so right
Speaker 2: because she it's so bad whatever she's going through her
Speaker 2: issue is so awful or so bad that she can't
Speaker 2: even pretend. She can't even go to a thing and
Speaker 2: not drink for a couple hours.
Speaker 1: Well that's the thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, good point, because if that's what she's doing
Speaker 2: on camera, then it's still really fucked up.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, how do you not just go like Optics, like,
Speaker 1: you know if you're like, I don't know. I'm still
Speaker 1: struggling with this. But this is the thing with all
Speaker 1: of these women Optics. Like earlier in the episode, something
Speaker 1: that we kind of skipped over was they were sort
Speaker 1: of saying about how Jen was wearing is wearing a
Speaker 1: Rolex and I do understand that. You're like you owe
Speaker 1: all these people money. Yep, how do you not just
Speaker 1: go like, maybe wearing a Rolex around isn't my best look,
Speaker 1: you sell the rolex and pay your shit well, And
Speaker 1: that's what they're saying, and then we go, oh, they're
Speaker 1: so judgmental. It's like, but but but what how does
Speaker 1: how does that not occur to you? Like I'm just
Speaker 1: walking around of the rolex like in your face. I
Speaker 1: don't give a fuck. I don't pay my bills because
Speaker 1: I can't because my husband was giving me money. I
Speaker 1: don't under I just I don't understand. I don't understand
Speaker 1: why Shannon wouldn't be like maybe I just won't drink right, No,
Speaker 1: You're in front of all these people when I just
Speaker 1: when I'm anyway.
Speaker 2: It's so funny because we come into every episode like
Speaker 2: I when we take notes, whatever, and I'm ready to go,
Speaker 2: like we're ready to be really funny, like that's what
Speaker 2: we come into it. But then we get we both
Speaker 2: get so serious, which I kind of love. I love
Speaker 2: about you like having these conversations. I hope people like
Speaker 2: this because we go deep into their psyche. I mean,
Speaker 2: I like, I come into it like with all these
Speaker 2: like oh, this is LiOH, this will be funny, but
Speaker 2: then I'm just having these really serious conversations about Shannon's
Speaker 2: mental health.
Speaker 1: Well it's hard because you know, as somebody who doesn't drink,
Speaker 1: but who took a really long time to realize that
Speaker 1: I shouldn't be drinking. So I understand because I have
Speaker 1: been Shannon in the like, but it's not I think
Speaker 1: it's just this. I think it's just that stress. I
Speaker 1: think it was just like being a mom. I think
Speaker 1: it's just you know, and you want to blame everything
Speaker 1: else because you do want to be able to drink because.
Speaker 2: You see your friends, you see everyone else be able
Speaker 2: to handle having one or two drinks, and they're fine
Speaker 2: usually ish, rightish, not all of them.
Speaker 1: But I just think that Shannon has been so awful
Speaker 1: in so many scenes that it's really hard to like
Speaker 1: it's like the Boy who Cried Wolf. It's like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: you just keep it, insisting that it's just everybody else,
Speaker 1: that everybody's just mean.
Speaker 2: You know who I relate to. You relate to Shannon
Speaker 2: in that way. I relate to Shane in a lot
Speaker 2: of ways.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: You know that because I just, you know, I kind
Speaker 2: of failed the bar and I you know, I'm short.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you do all of the work around your.
Speaker 2: House, and I mean I loved I love some fries,
Speaker 2: and I take care of the kids. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 2: just I mean, I'm really attracted to Emily.
Speaker 1: So if I couldn't, I thought I couldn't dislike somebody
Speaker 1: more than Shannon. And then Vicky came along. So Vicky's
Speaker 1: just like, you can have a drink. You're not driving,
Speaker 1: You can have a drink, have a drink. Why wouldn't
Speaker 1: you have a drink you're not driving. They can't tell
Speaker 1: you can't have a drink. That was fucking insane. So
Speaker 1: here we are.
Speaker 2: So Heather's mad by the way that there's no seating chart,
Speaker 2: which I kind of understood. I was actually team Heather
Speaker 2: on that one too. It's like, please don't make all
Speaker 2: the terrible people sit next to each other. Right, She
Speaker 2: had such a good point.
Speaker 1: She was just like, oh my god, there's so many
Speaker 1: people that can't be seated next to each other's. She
Speaker 1: can't sit next to Katie, Jen can't sit next to
Speaker 1: Emily or Gina, right or Gina. There's so many people
Speaker 1: that can't sit next to each other. Shannon can't sit
Speaker 1: next to Alexis. So there's only certain people that can
Speaker 1: be like next to each other, right, But it was
Speaker 1: just impossible. So it all begins.
Speaker 2: Alexis confronts Katie about the golf event, but that doesn't
Speaker 2: go anywhere.
Speaker 1: Kittie's like, yeah, sorry, yeah to try Lexi sexy Lexi
Speaker 1: didn't work out. No, So then so Tamra so Vicki's like,
Speaker 1: you can have a drink. You can have a drink,
Speaker 1: you're not driving, and Tamar goes she doesn't need permission.
Speaker 1: That okay, this is where it begins. So Tamra's like,
Speaker 1: she's at alcohol, shut alcohol, at shed drink. Well no,
Speaker 1: first she just goes she doesn't need permission. Camera's basically
Speaker 1: going like she's a big girl. She can decide to
Speaker 1: drink or not drink. On her own. She doesn't need
Speaker 1: your permission. And then Shannon's all, I'll have a belvetere
Speaker 1: in soda. What are they trying to prove, bitch? It
Speaker 1: was so that was so cringey, and then goes down
Speaker 1: the rails. Yeah. So then Vicky is just keeps I
Speaker 1: don't know why Vicky thinks that she needs she already
Speaker 1: ordered the drink. Move on. She's like, yeah, you can
Speaker 1: have it, you can have it. You're not driving. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And then that's when Tamer goes, oh, yeah, an alcoholic
Speaker 1: should drink, great idea, and everyone.
Speaker 2: She's saying that, but she's saying that as she's sipping
Speaker 2: her martini, which is not her first martini. Of that scene,
Speaker 2: I'm a guarantee she's definitely like drunk and dead behind
Speaker 2: the eyes. So, I mean, it's just like the Messenger
Speaker 2: isn't great here a drunken lady who might have her
Speaker 2: own whatever issues.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, it's like there's no heroes right.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. She was so horror She's just horrendous.
Speaker 2: And even Alexis in this moment looked like she had
Speaker 2: some a little bit of empathy for Shannon. She everyone
Speaker 2: shut up, you know, it shows everyone like gasping, basically,
Speaker 2: but even Alexis look like I don't really like that.
Speaker 2: I shouldn't say it, but I don't. I had a
Speaker 2: moment with Alexus where I was like, Okay, she looked
Speaker 2: like a human there.
Speaker 1: But Vicky just doesn't understand anything about alcoholism. So Vicky's
Speaker 1: just like doubling down. Well, she can drink, she just
Speaker 1: can't get behind the wheel ever, ever, ever, ever, unless
Speaker 1: Jesus is her co pilot, that's the only time she
Speaker 1: could get behind the wheel if she's had something to drink,
Speaker 1: if Jesus driving.
Speaker 2: Could you possibly I can't imagine putting worse people in
Speaker 2: one big cast.
Speaker 1: It is why you checked out of the OC when
Speaker 1: you did. Yeah, And I don't blame you.
Speaker 2: I mean that Vicky is just every time I think
Speaker 2: it's the worst, then Vicky, you're right, Vicky comes along
Speaker 2: and it's just like, oh yeah, yeah, she could you.
Speaker 1: Could get worse. Vicky's like, hold my velvetere and soda. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so they're all fighting.
Speaker 2: Gina says something she I just read. She speaks the truth.
Speaker 2: She says something at some point I don't remember exactly what.
Speaker 1: Hamamer is like, well, do you believe she doesn't have
Speaker 1: a drinking problem. And then Shannon starts to go like,
Speaker 1: you've been on this path for ten years with me,
Speaker 1: and Tambor goes, everybody has right and then Sheannon goes, oh,
Speaker 1: may to you the judge and jury every day I
Speaker 1: think about what happened. And Tamra goes, oh, is that
Speaker 1: after you have a drink? And then they go to
Speaker 1: commercial and one of the commercials that I had was
Speaker 1: for Gray Goose, which I just was like wow. And
Speaker 1: then Emily goes, Okay, I think she's changed. What how
Speaker 1: the fuck would you know? Emily? That's crazy? And then
Speaker 1: Gina goes, I think she's done a good job working
Speaker 1: on herself.
Speaker 2: I think she's really worked on But they're trying, because
Speaker 2: you know, they're watching somebody just be taken down. Who's
Speaker 2: not the worst person that Shannon's We wouldn't want to
Speaker 2: be friends with Shannon.
Speaker 1: But she's not, like she's not a that a mean person. No,
Speaker 1: she's not, you know, rubs some people the wrong way.
Speaker 2: Well then so Tama throws in the facelift and John
Speaker 2: Jansen and she's just every first, Shannon goes, you know what,
Speaker 2: you know what Tamra, let's look at your drinking.
Speaker 1: You went Dan to wait at Nobu and goes, so, what,
Speaker 1: there's a big difference between drinking and having a good
Speaker 1: time and being an alcoholic.
Speaker 2: So but like Tamra is also an alcoholic.
Speaker 1: Yes, but and then Gina goes, how do you feel
Speaker 1: about all this, Vicky? And then Vicky goes, I think
Speaker 1: it's disgusting. I am fighting discussed but also didn't even love.
Speaker 2: I did love this Jen Katie moment where they were
Speaker 2: like the muppets, those guys and the muppets that sit
Speaker 2: in the balcony. Yes, so they were just like commented,
Speaker 2: they were out of the they were not in the fight,
Speaker 2: but they were just had such great little comments.
Speaker 1: Was this the part where they were like she looks great.
Speaker 2: Ah, she does look at the face.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was the facelift and she's like, oh, that
Speaker 1: comes up. That comes up a little a little later
Speaker 1: because I really wrote down everything that people were saying
Speaker 1: during this part because then because then Vicky goes that
Speaker 1: all this fighting is disgusting, and then Emily goes, but
Speaker 1: you start fights all the time, and then Tamra is like, oh,
Speaker 1: then they start talking about the fact that like, Tamra
Speaker 1: kind of unfriended Shannon and Vicki, and then Tamra's like,
Speaker 1: I am loyal, but I They're start talking about who
Speaker 1: would be good on Traders.
Speaker 2: Oh God, that was such like weird advertisement for that.
Speaker 1: Yes. So then but then Tama's like, she needed to
Speaker 1: go to rehab, and Vicky goes, she did go to rehab,
Speaker 1: and then Tamer goes, she went to No, she went
Speaker 1: to like therapy to find out why she dates bad guys,
Speaker 1: and then alexis. Then Alexis laughs because they're basically making
Speaker 1: a John Jansen reference, right, So then Shannon goes, this
Speaker 1: has to stop. I've had two conversations with you about this,
Speaker 1: and Tamer goes, yeah, and you were drunk every time, and.
Speaker 2: As Tama's drunk, like falling over drunk basically, and then
Speaker 2: Shannon's like.
Speaker 1: I couldn't even drink in my program, and Tamra goes, lie, lie, Lie,
Speaker 1: lie lie, which I don't I don't know how that's
Speaker 1: a lie. I don't know. I think she was drinking
Speaker 1: in rehab.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know if what really was
Speaker 2: rehab or just kind of a getaway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she also might not have been away for thirty days,
Speaker 1: she might have just been in doing outpatient probably that's what.
Speaker 2: I would imagine. So then so Shannon storms out and
Speaker 2: this made me laugh. I do want to say this
Speaker 2: because Shannon's done this before and I always notice it.
Speaker 2: She storms out, and then Jen goes out to see
Speaker 2: if she's okay, and Shannon says, She's like, I'm just
Speaker 2: really hurt that nobody came out to see if I
Speaker 2: was okay, and Jenn's like, uh here, yeah, like but you.
Speaker 1: Don't matter, You're nothing right, like an og right. But
Speaker 1: then Jen makes things like ten times worse because Jen's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I came here to basically tell you that the women
Speaker 1: are showing all these receipts for the wire transfers, and
Speaker 1: you did get seventy five thousand. Why would you come
Speaker 1: out there to tell her that? And then Shannon goes,
Speaker 1: it was sixty five thousand, it was thirty thousand, and
Speaker 1: then another thirty five, So then she basically admits it.
Speaker 1: She knows that right, and then Shannon Shannon to camera
Speaker 1: is like, Alexis has canceled checks, what is she on dateline?
Speaker 1: She better save those receipts? Well, girls, she did what
Speaker 1: do you mean she better saved those receipts. She saved
Speaker 1: the receipts. She's out in the restaurant showing them to
Speaker 1: people right.
Speaker 2: Now, right, So when they go back into the restaurant,
Speaker 2: alexis just out of control.
Speaker 1: Oh wait lately, okay, But then then Shannon is still
Speaker 1: talking to the producer and she's like, John's a monster
Speaker 1: and I could put out stuff about him, and the
Speaker 1: producer goes like what she goes, well, I can't say
Speaker 1: because he'll sue me. But she might not be wrong
Speaker 1: about that.
Speaker 2: I thought about that, and I was thinking, like, Okay,
Speaker 2: well maybe she's you know, if it's true, he can't
Speaker 2: sue her. If there's something, if she has actual receipts,
Speaker 2: then he can't, right, But yeah, that was funny. The
Speaker 2: producer kind of call was like, Okay, I will show it,
Speaker 2: tell us now's the time. Yeah, yeah, but I think
Speaker 2: he's got stuff on her too.
Speaker 1: Who knows.
Speaker 2: It could be like all kinds of weird racist things
Speaker 2: that they said jokes, Who know, like, it could be
Speaker 2: anything that you got to be careful of the other person.
Speaker 2: And I think they're playing that they're dancing. But what
Speaker 2: we do know is that she owes John Jansen money.
Speaker 2: There's no questions, Yes, there is no question and so
Speaker 2: but Alexis is like going wild to the point that
Speaker 2: even Emily is like, you're being a little aggressive. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this guy from Emily, I'm scuse she's not eating a
Speaker 2: sandwich for you're a little work.
Speaker 1: Well, so okay. So Vicky is saying to Tamra that
Speaker 1: girl needs a hug and she needs to know that
Speaker 1: the DUI won't be a label on her. And then
Speaker 1: Tamer's like, I'm not going to enable her, Like Tamras
Speaker 1: is done, and then Vicky goes, I'm not enabling her
Speaker 1: at all, Yes, you are. You fucking just tried to
Speaker 1: convince her to drink. You did convince her to drink.
Speaker 1: How it's the opposite. She's of course enabling her. Vicky's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Vicky's going, you can drink, you can drink. Why can't
Speaker 1: you drink? You're not driving, you can drink. That's not enabling.
Speaker 1: So Tamer goes, she needs to quit drinking or I'm
Speaker 1: done with this relationship. Bitch, You're already done with the relationship,
Speaker 1: and go back to Tamra.
Speaker 2: Even I would never trust her after like yelling about Okay,
Speaker 2: you're yelling about the alcoholism, you're trying a tough lover whatever,
Speaker 2: but then you're yelling at about everything. John Jansen, Yeah, like,
Speaker 2: I mean, she's being vile. I don't even know what
Speaker 2: kind of friendship could be salvage. They will, though, Shannon
Speaker 2: will come crawling back, I assure you, And because it
Speaker 2: happens every time, it's awful. But then this is the
Speaker 2: best part of the whole thing. You know what I'm
Speaker 2: going to talk about. So Vicky Vicky's sermon, the speech,
Speaker 2: this crazy sermon about Jesus. Then she points to everyone
Speaker 2: and she's like, you know Jesus, you know Jesus, you're
Speaker 2: all believers. And then it flashes Heather, who is Jewish,
Speaker 2: and then Katie, who is a Buddhist, and flash I
Speaker 2: got a screenshot, but then for some reason, my kid
Speaker 2: didn't take I thought I got this best screenshot of
Speaker 2: the like side eye of memory.
Speaker 1: Huh, Like they both look.
Speaker 2: Heather looks so annoyed in this conversation because she's like,
Speaker 2: you know Jesus, you know Jesus, you know Jesus, all
Speaker 2: of you know Jesus.
Speaker 1: Not well, no, not all of them.
Speaker 2: Then Heather, by the way, I think she's made a
Speaker 2: whole thing because Shane is Mormon. Oh okay, and so
Speaker 2: they had they had a tough time at the beginning
Speaker 2: of their relationship because she was agnostic and still sort
Speaker 2: of struggles with religion, and Shane is of course, Shane
Speaker 2: is Mormon, of course, of course. Actually no, shockingly, because
Speaker 2: Mormons are usually really hot. You know that, I have
Speaker 2: like a crush on a lot of Mormons. I'm not
Speaker 2: even joking this up where people look it's no, but
Speaker 2: it's a very it's a hot.
Speaker 1: They're hot to meet.
Speaker 2: And Shane I don't know how he got in there,
Speaker 2: but yeah, all three of those. So you have Heather,
Speaker 2: Katie and Emily going like, okay, calm down, Vicky.
Speaker 1: It's pretty funny though, because then Heather says to the
Speaker 1: camera to producers, Vicky claiming she's above it all is rich,
Speaker 1: and then Emily says it too, and she's like, please
Speaker 1: roll tape of Vicky being disgusting. That was really funny.
Speaker 1: I liked Emily in that moment.
Speaker 2: And then of course they do they really they rose
Speaker 2: to the occasion producers, and Vicky is literally the world
Speaker 2: I mean but is she the worst because you've got
Speaker 2: Chilie Dolben somehow, Yeah, but she got Kelly Dodd was worse.
Speaker 2: Like every time you think it could be the worst
Speaker 2: person I've ever seen, they get worse.
Speaker 1: On this particular brand. Kickie was terrible. This is why
Speaker 1: she got fired. She's terrible, terrible, terrible.
Speaker 2: Also terrible to producers, like she was fighting with Andy Coke.
Speaker 2: This has happened a lot where it's like what do
Speaker 2: you do with the og? I think this happened a
Speaker 2: little with Teresa on you know Jersey. At some point
Speaker 2: they get like too big for the show, and they
Speaker 2: think that happened with Jacks, but then they come back
Speaker 2: every single time like Jack's you know, they fired him,
Speaker 2: you got to get off the show. He was talking,
Speaker 2: she was coked out and saying how amazing, and he
Speaker 2: runs the show and Andy's like, nope, you're out. But
Speaker 2: now he's got his own show around him.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So the same thing happened with Vicky where she got
Speaker 2: I mean, she's a friend quote unquote, but like she's
Speaker 2: you know, she's in it as much as she wants
Speaker 2: to be. I did end my notes with I love
Speaker 2: Emily now so I did want to say something possible, well.
Speaker 1: I had basically Vicky and yells to everybody she shouldn't
Speaker 1: drink and drive. But this is icky. We need to
Speaker 1: support women's right. And then Heather and Emily whispered to
Speaker 1: each other, which I thought was interesting that she, yes,
Speaker 1: Shannon is an alcoholic and she does need rehab and
Speaker 1: she shouldn't be drinking at all, but she looks amazing, Yeah,
Speaker 1: she goes, Yeah, she really does.
Speaker 2: She really does look good.
Speaker 1: She does look good. What is that? I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, not just that's the Heather, you know, married
Speaker 2: to a plastic surgeon, take.
Speaker 1: I think like the basically overall my feeling is that
Speaker 1: I don't like. I don't like the fact that Shannon
Speaker 1: clearly has a lot of problems with substances and she
Speaker 1: has so much drama. And my problem with it is like,
Speaker 1: that's fine and even if you want to drink, but
Speaker 1: you can't always expect everybody to like it. Can't always
Speaker 1: be like why isn't isn't everybody taking care of me
Speaker 1: and her whole thing? It's like it just bugs me dad, dad,
Speaker 1: my horrible ex. John Jensen says, I owe the money,
Speaker 1: Well do you. Well, in my mind, I don't like
Speaker 1: everything is like, who's going to take care of me?
Speaker 1: Who's going to solve this for me?
Speaker 2: There's almost always some someone on every you know, We've
Speaker 2: got Sutton in Beverly Hills. There's always someone except Jersey.
Speaker 2: I was racking my brain. There's no they don't have
Speaker 2: any drinking.
Speaker 1: They don't.
Speaker 2: I mean they drink, but they don't seem to have
Speaker 2: like major Well, no, that's not true. There is one
Speaker 2: that kind of drinks a lot and then throws glasses
Speaker 2: and stuff, so that's something. No, So yeah, that proves
Speaker 2: my point. There's always someone on every franchise that's like
Speaker 2: really needs help. You're like, you're really what it's like
Speaker 2: you're watching Bad Girls Club meets like celebrity rehab in
Speaker 2: a way, but not for intervention or something very responsible.
Speaker 1: I mean, Sonya, I feel like could have died on
Speaker 1: this show.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. That's why Bethany was losing her mind
Speaker 2: about it. She was getting so mad. She was the Tamera.
Speaker 2: Sonya has a lot of issues. She's had multiple DUI's like,
Speaker 2: I don't understand how like it's it's I mean, I mean,
Speaker 2: lou Anne is back to pretty bad, by the way.
Speaker 2: She made a TikTok thing the other day. You know,
Speaker 2: remember the TikTok thing. I made one where they do
Speaker 2: they mouthed like, I'm looking for a man in finance.
Speaker 1: You know that one?
Speaker 2: Just fun? Yeah, five blue eyes. So she does it,
Speaker 2: and so it's Countess Luanne. She's on a raft and
Speaker 2: she's like, I'm looking for a man in finance.
Speaker 1: She just says it. She doesn't mouth it.
Speaker 2: You're supposed to just do She doesn't get that you're
Speaker 2: supposed to just see if you can time it.
Speaker 1: Uh huh.
Speaker 2: She doesn't do that, and she's just like, look, she
Speaker 2: seems really drunk. Her eyes are like cross, she's like
Speaker 2: in finance, just fun. She's wearing like a crazy hat.
Speaker 2: So I'm not sure she's doing so great. Yeah either,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't. It's just but you're right, it
Speaker 2: is so irresponsible. That is exactly right, which is why
Speaker 2: Leah McSweeney is suing. She doesn't have a case, but
Speaker 2: she's suing for that exact thing.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, she's claiming that they were trying to
Speaker 1: get hurt. She started drinking again though before she started
Speaker 1: the show, Like I guess, right, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think I'm trying not to be I'm really trying not
Speaker 1: to be judgmental, but I do know that a big
Speaker 1: part of like my recovery has been accepting responsibility. So
Speaker 1: it bugs me when none of these people take any responsibility. First, yes,
Speaker 1: they're grown women. You can decide to drink or not drink,
Speaker 1: like you can't if you're Liah McSweeney too. You can't
Speaker 1: be like, well, they knew I was an alcoholic and
Speaker 1: they made me drink. Well, they didn't, though. You decided
Speaker 1: to start drinking before any taping started on your first season,
Speaker 1: so then you were basically in a relapse the whole time.
Speaker 1: But I don't know how that's everybody else's fault, right,
Speaker 1: I know. I'm sure it's difficult. I'm sure it's difficult
Speaker 1: to do. You have to go tape or film, you know,
Speaker 1: and people are all having drinks, and yeah, I can
Speaker 1: understand that's hard. But your own dad did. You're going
Speaker 1: to sue him. You went to lunch with your dad
Speaker 1: and he immediately ordered wine, right, right? No, I know,
Speaker 1: I know. So it's not really the show, it's society.
Speaker 1: Like it's a lot of people if you're around a
Speaker 1: lot of people that drink all the time. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be done.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be hard, right, And like you said, people
Speaker 2: have been able to get sober on these shows, like Kyle.
Speaker 2: Kyle weirdly enough, who didn't even really seem to have
Speaker 2: a drinking issue. To me, she had, right, I mean
Speaker 2: maybe she had a little going I don't know, compared
Speaker 2: to the others, Like she seemed totally together, right, but
Speaker 2: she didn't.
Speaker 1: Feel like it. I guess inside she felt like she
Speaker 1: was abusing alcohols. She didn't want to do that, and.
Speaker 2: She knew a man and her family, you know, her
Speaker 2: mom had issues obviously, Kim her sister h major, major alcoholic, right.
Speaker 2: I mean that was tough. That was the first time
Speaker 2: we really saw that was on you know with Kim.
Speaker 2: I've never seen anything like that on reality TV. Right,
Speaker 2: But it was almost like that was helpful. They did
Speaker 2: it on camera to make her, but it took her
Speaker 2: years to get better after that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I don't know. I don't think that
Speaker 1: all day. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, because they're seeking people like this because that
Speaker 2: makes better TV. If you know, if you had a
Speaker 2: show it was all Kyle's and Katie's right, nothing would happen.
Speaker 2: But it's it's now we're getting it, does It is
Speaker 2: getting icky because we you know, for a long time
Speaker 2: we loved watching these crazy fights and these drunken crazy
Speaker 2: but now twenty years later, I'm like, what, I still
Speaker 2: watch it.
Speaker 1: It's hard. Yeah, that's the thing. It's it's I guess
Speaker 1: it pains me because Shannon has kids, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's got to be really hard on her kids when
Speaker 1: they've lived with her their whole life and they know
Speaker 1: that she's constantly like John Jansen, everybody was terrible, her
Speaker 1: David was, to David Badore, David, David, David, it was
Speaker 1: it's always everybody else. And I just feel for the kids.
Speaker 1: She raised good kids, though they seem to be doing well.
Speaker 2: A lot of the kid's on these shows are well,
Speaker 2: not Tameras non no, you know, not Tameras, but a
Speaker 2: lot of them, for some reason, I have turned out okay,
Speaker 2: which is kind of shocking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is okay, all right, Thanks everybody.
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Speaker 2: so joined for that, and then of course we'll continue
Speaker 2: with the OC next week.
Speaker 1: All right, bye everybody, Bye bye, thank you. Bye.