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<v Speaker 1>Uh, what's up everybody? I should say good morning because

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<v Speaker 1>it's morning for us. I don't know what time you're listening. Hi, Cecily, Hi.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I don't know if this is exciting for anybody.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got a new microphone which seems to be glitching already.

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<v Speaker 1>How do I sound? Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>You sound good to me. We'll have to We'll have

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<v Speaker 2>to see after we edit this show. Do I sound sexier?

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<v Speaker 2>Do I sound I think they.

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<v Speaker 1>Do sound sexier? Really? Yeah? Okay, okay, I do think. So.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a big show today because this is a

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<v Speaker 2>real Housewives of the OC and it was a it

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<v Speaker 2>was a pretty big episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have macro notes?

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<v Speaker 2>I do have one macro note, and it's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>from the very beginning of the situation. And I don't

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<v Speaker 2>I do not say this to be rude. We are

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<v Speaker 2>not a show that like talks about physical appearances, usually

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<v Speaker 2>except for OC, where I feel like it's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's on the table. Is Terry getting plastic surgery to

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<v Speaker 2>make his nose bigger? He, I swear to God like

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<v Speaker 2>he's fucking with us. Well, he is maybe getting older.

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<v Speaker 2>And I do think when men get older, I think

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<v Speaker 2>their noses spread a little bit. That is true, but

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<v Speaker 2>that is literally his job. This is his job. So

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like we said last week, I think like,

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<v Speaker 2>just go get Paul, Go get your your partner, get

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<v Speaker 2>him to take care of that.

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<v Speaker 1>I wish I could just go get Paul. I wish

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<v Speaker 1>that was helping. I wish I could look in the

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<v Speaker 1>mirror and be like, I need to go get Paul. Paul.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know that.

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<v Speaker 2>I've watched botched. I don't know that we need Paul

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<v Speaker 2>or Terry. I mean, I don't know. I feel like, what, look,

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<v Speaker 2>he is a walking advertisement for himself, and so is she. Basically,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like that's his job, and so I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like we need.

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<v Speaker 1>To need to step that up. I was actually just

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<v Speaker 1>looking at a plastic surgeon's website for reasons that I

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<v Speaker 1>won't explain, and it was funny because this guy who's

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be like an excellent surgeon, and he looks

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<v Speaker 1>super like nebishy. I don't know, he just and I

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<v Speaker 1>was thinking, he doesn't even have good teeth. And I

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of thinking, like, if your whole thing is

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<v Speaker 1>like esthetics and making people's appearances look good, do you

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<v Speaker 1>think you just get your teeth fixed. This is what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying with Terry.

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<v Speaker 2>It looked like a grouchanwel Marx like he was in

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<v Speaker 2>a costume. Looked like he'd put on like a little

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<v Speaker 2>like a face, like a mask. Well, Heather loves him

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<v Speaker 2>and that's all that counts.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm. She loves something about him. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know exactly what it is, but they So

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<v Speaker 2>the reason it comes up is because there's a quick

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<v Speaker 2>little update with them. They're just you know, they do

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<v Speaker 2>you know, oh see all these shows, they go back

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<v Speaker 2>and forth. So we have a quick little scene with them,

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<v Speaker 2>then a quick little scene with Shannon.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. Do you think that it's a show of of

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<v Speaker 1>like power on the part of Heather that she seems

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<v Speaker 1>to go first every time? Ooh, I don't know, because

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<v Speaker 1>last episode they had their whole little scene first, which

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<v Speaker 1>was the thing about her housing and you know that

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<v Speaker 1>her her humongous pet house apartment is like a closet.

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<v Speaker 1>Ye remember that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll never forget that that never forget. Yeah never, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>hashtag never forget. But yeah, maybe, I mean, I think

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<v Speaker 2>they like to go with her first because there's just

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<v Speaker 2>so much money. The whole the whole show is supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to be about like these rich people.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know she's the richest. Yeah, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I've always had a problem with that concept, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>ever since the beginning, because that was not what I

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<v Speaker 1>was excited about. I was excited, super excited about The

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<v Speaker 1>Real Housewives from the get go. When when it was

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<v Speaker 1>first just an idea that we all heard about that

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<v Speaker 1>we hadn't even seen it yet, I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>watching basically Mom's housewives live their lives in the OC

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<v Speaker 1>like a reality show, like the Real World. But I

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<v Speaker 1>thought for like grown ups, that's what I thought it

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<v Speaker 1>was going to be. I never had any interest in like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, house porn or any of the things that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, money porn, like, I don't care. That wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>why I was watching it, But I guess I was

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<v Speaker 1>in the minority. No, it became a different show. I

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<v Speaker 1>have to say.

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<v Speaker 2>I did not like the original OC, Like before it

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<v Speaker 2>found its way, I was like, what is the I

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<v Speaker 2>don't like this. I don't like it's just too many

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<v Speaker 2>realtors and I just didn't. But I think it was

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<v Speaker 2>because it was the OC. Once once New York started

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<v Speaker 2>and all that I was like, oh, this is great

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<v Speaker 2>because I remember they used to struggle. Bethany was struggling.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm, she didn't have I loved that. Yeah, No,

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<v Speaker 2>it became it like slowly became MTV cribs. Yes, which

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<v Speaker 2>it I mean it is, that's what it is now

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<v Speaker 2>and they all try to outdo each other. So we

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<v Speaker 2>have a quick thing with Heather and Terry. Then do

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<v Speaker 2>you have any other macro notes before we get into

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<v Speaker 2>Shannon about you?

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<v Speaker 1>I well, you know, what I realized is that last

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<v Speaker 1>week we started talking about a couple of their taglines,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was because it was the first week that

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<v Speaker 1>they actually did their taglines. That's why, because we were

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<v Speaker 1>like did we even hear this before? How come we

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<v Speaker 1>haven't talked about this? But so last week was the

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<v Speaker 1>first week that we got to see who was actually

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<v Speaker 1>had a tagline. And I have to read you Jen's

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<v Speaker 1>tagline because it's so bad. People bend over backwards to

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<v Speaker 1>get me and their form is terrible. What that's the best?

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<v Speaker 1>That's the best they came up with. I mean, so

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<v Speaker 1>you had to.

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<v Speaker 2>You probably you know they got some intern or some

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, a low level story producer and they're

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<v Speaker 2>like yeah, come up with twenty for each and that's

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<v Speaker 2>the one. Their form is why why is she saying form?

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<v Speaker 2>Does she play tennis? I forget No, Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>it makes no sense.

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<v Speaker 1>I yeah, no, I don't think she really does anything.

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<v Speaker 1>They are checked out. Everyone's checked out, really checked out.

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<v Speaker 1>And then Shannon's I also just wrote down, was even

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<v Speaker 1>in the harshest times, this storms will always weather it.

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<v Speaker 2>What if it just became like Shannon's is like Archie

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<v Speaker 2>is my dog.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it. You're like, oh, well, that's true, that's true.

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<v Speaker 1>But here's the thing too, I don't think Shannon's weathering anything. No, no,

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<v Speaker 1>she's not doing anything. Her should be like she's sheltering

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<v Speaker 1>in place, is what she's really doing?

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, when times get tough, I do nothing. Fuck

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<v Speaker 2>you Chance and John Janson.

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<v Speaker 1>When times would get tough, I blame others that should

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<v Speaker 1>just but that would be funny.

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<v Speaker 2>But also they just get really specific. Yeah, Harry needs

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<v Speaker 2>a nose job, that's hers. They're like, what, Terry's good

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<v Speaker 2>with that? You guys, everybody's fine with that. Emily is

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<v Speaker 2>like hers is. I'm ashamed of Shane, but you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he helps keep the household running.

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<v Speaker 1>Somehow. That would be our favorite thing. It's the thing

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<v Speaker 1>that we always talk about. It's the truth in advertising,

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<v Speaker 1>It's the Crazy People Doubly Moore movie. Yeah, let's just

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<v Speaker 1>make it what it is, call it out. That's what

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<v Speaker 1>we like. We like that stuff. Yeah. Oh, my name's Katie.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm new and I bring nothing to the table. That

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<v Speaker 1>would be great. I like it.

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<v Speaker 2>Gina is like I have an accent that no one

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<v Speaker 2>can recognize. I mean, I say, I'm from New York,

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<v Speaker 2>but where we're really from?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it Brooklyn? Is it Long Island? You'll never know

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<v Speaker 1>Long Islands. I don't even know. I'm Gina. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know where I'm from, but it's New York. I'm walking.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so long.

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<v Speaker 2>She holds that up for so long that it's like

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<v Speaker 2>two minutes into the show.

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<v Speaker 1>M mmm. Now that's so. It's like too many Cooks.

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<v Speaker 2>We need we need to do a Housewives that's like

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<v Speaker 2>based on do you remember too many cooks?

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<v Speaker 1>Too many cooks? Too many cooks? Do you don't know?

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<v Speaker 1>What is that? I don't even know how to explain it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what?

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<v Speaker 2>Put a pin in that, and we will we will

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<v Speaker 2>discuss that on board a a f Okay, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So Shannon goes to Katie's house and Katie I thought

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<v Speaker 2>this was actually very sweet. It's Valentine's Day, so she

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<v Speaker 2>gets Shannon flowers.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, it's so funny. No, I thought it

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<v Speaker 1>was really condescending. Oh, I liked it. I thought it

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of like, I have a husband who loves me,

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<v Speaker 1>and you don't. You don't have anybody. So I'm your

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<v Speaker 1>Valentine bitch.

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<v Speaker 2>Honestly, if that were us and I came to your

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<v Speaker 2>house and it's Valentine's Day and whatever, I would, I

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<v Speaker 2>would love it if you gave me flower, I love it. Okay, noted, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>please note it in like a red pen.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's remember this shit.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought that was sweet. That was just a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a second. H And then we had to

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<v Speaker 2>go to the Emily. So Emily's it's Emily's fifteen year

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<v Speaker 2>anniversary with you. I just wrote with Shane.

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<v Speaker 1>See now I have okay, Oh well yeah, I have

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more from this, which is the Shannon

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<v Speaker 1>yeah is like, yeah, it was nice not to have

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<v Speaker 1>Alexus at the put pup party. It was really nice,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, And but Tamar's been talking behind my back

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<v Speaker 1>Like she hasn't even checked in with me at all. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because Tamar's mad at you for different things and she

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't talked to you. But instead of being like I

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<v Speaker 1>think Tamor might be pissed off at me, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>like she's not even checking in with me. Why does

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<v Speaker 1>everybody need to check in with her about it constantly?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Is she okay? She okays?

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<v Speaker 2>Shannon okay, And I mean there's a world in winter

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<v Speaker 2>that makes sense, but Shannon has always been the victim

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<v Speaker 2>about everything, So people are just like enough.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So that's That's kind of my thing, is that

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of this, I know that you know

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<v Speaker 1>and this is just what happens at the very end.

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<v Speaker 1>But I was a little bit more team Tamer than

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<v Speaker 1>probably most people, only because she's just sick of it

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<v Speaker 1>at this point.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but she's so vile, she's terrible, she's awful.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know what's not vile. You know what's wonderful.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Okay, So Emily is talking to Tama right.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the part where she's talking about that it's

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<v Speaker 2>thought it was interesting in this conversation that Tamar kind

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's the thing that I find interesting is different

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<v Speaker 1>people in the show get triggered over different things. Uh huh,

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<v Speaker 1>So like Emily and Gina are completely like out of

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<v Speaker 1>their minds with everything that uh genders the gendaes again.

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<v Speaker 1>But Tamra's just hating Shannon right now, right, so.

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<v Speaker 2>You can only kind of It's like they can only

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't want to look so terrible, and she and Jen

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<v Speaker 2>did have a relationship. They at one point where friends,

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<v Speaker 2>Mean, nobody, nobody gets along. It's all just nightmare.

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<v Speaker 1>So then they they know how Emily uh gets to

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<v Speaker 1>be so snid to everybody. What's her? She's she's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a nothing on the show. I know, like she

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<v Speaker 1>just basically trying to be Greek chorus, and I cares.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't need that because Gina's that, Gina's the great.

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<v Speaker 2>The Greek course has to be someone like Bethany originally

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<v Speaker 1>Me is Emily. I wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you imagine even if she was cool, she's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>come over for dinner, you'd have to be with Shane.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no world. I couldn't even look that guy in

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<v Speaker 2>the eye. No, and not just because I'm taller than him,

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<v Speaker 2>which is rare. I just don't like I really don't

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<v Speaker 2>like him. So that was then I start talking again

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<v Speaker 2>about the Katie versus Heather thing, and I'm so sick

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<v Speaker 2>of this made up fight. Yeah, and and they keep

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<v Speaker 2>saying sorry, they keep saying, Heather. You know, I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>go against Heather. She will tear you apart. She will

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<v Speaker 2>tear you a new one. I've never seen Heather do that. No,

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<v Speaker 2>not any more than Tamra. I mean, we actually get mad,

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<v Speaker 2>but she's I'd much rather go against Heather than Tamera

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<v Speaker 2>Camra is like a night a drunken nightmare.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I agree. I agree. So then they go back

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<v Speaker 1>to Heather. So, who's Heather with? My notes are a

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<v Speaker 1>little weird at this time, Yeah, because I wrote why

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<v Speaker 1>did Katie tell all the girls about the paparazzi stuff? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>They have that conversation. So then it goes over to Heather.

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<v Speaker 2>Gina comes over to Heather's and Jen comes to surprisingly.

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<v Speaker 2>So now they're all together, right, and Harry is asking

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<v Speaker 2>dumb questions like, oh, your relationships, just leave Terry right right, right,

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<v Speaker 2>right right? How's Travis, how's the how's this guy? How's

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<v Speaker 2>that guy? Okay, just don't worry about it. Just go

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<v Speaker 2>do whatever you do. Go get your take, go get

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. So basically Heather is calling out Gina a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>She's like, so, when did Katie tell you about this

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<v Speaker 1>paparazzi stuff? H right, yes, And then Gina's like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like sorry about well now I'm doing like a Midwest

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<v Speaker 1>accent that's kind of Canadians on the island, sorry about

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<v Speaker 1>the Katie stuff. And then Heather's like, well, yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Because I watched a.

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<v Speaker 2>it was such a dumb thing. I just didn't want

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<v Speaker 2>to create a fight. But then she kind of did

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know who side on this one because I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's such a nonsense. Maybe Heather's right, though, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>she I just talked myself into Heather. Maybe she's right,

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<v Speaker 2>like she should have told her. Well, okay, I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's sort of a meta kind of thing. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>if behind the scenes, if they know that Katie's thing

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<v Speaker 2>I've got receipts, I'm going to do this thing. I

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<v Speaker 2>Gina is really like, oh Hea, there's one of my

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<v Speaker 1>So Heather could have been more prepared, you know what.

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<v Speaker 2>I think she was this conversation though, so Jen like

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<v Speaker 2>chimes in no one cares, and then when they're having

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<v Speaker 2>they start She's like, I fucked up. Gina's like I

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<v Speaker 2>fucked up and I'm sorry, and Heather's like thank you,

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<v Speaker 2>And I love that because it's such a New Yorker

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<v Speaker 2>to New Yorkers like solve things really easily. Really, it's like, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I own this, I'm sorry, and like, I appreciate that

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<v Speaker 2>squashed right right.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that.

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<v Speaker 2>I love I really, I really was like, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>I wish that just could be the world. Yes, that's

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<v Speaker 2>two reasonable people do we like, yeah, okay. But then

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<v Speaker 2>on the opposite side, we go back to Shannon. Shannon

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<v Speaker 2>and Katie are talking and Shannon, who like always sticks

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<v Speaker 2>her like she is so mad that anybody has an

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<v Speaker 2>opinion about her life, but she has so many opinions.

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<v Speaker 1>About other people's lives. I just I can't. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>with her. She's like, yeah, well, if it's if it's

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<v Speaker 1>true about the paparazzi thing, then like why is she

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<v Speaker 1>denying it? And then Katie's like, I have proof, and

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<v Speaker 1>then she literally shows the same stupid text with the

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<v Speaker 1>guy that nobody knows or has heard of that apparently

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<v Speaker 1>is in charge of all paparazzi all over the world.

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<v Speaker 1>She shows that same text with her saying so did

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<v Speaker 1>she really call the paps on herself and the guy

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<v Speaker 1>going yes, like that's proof, and then Katie says, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Gina really hung me up to dry I

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<v Speaker 1>think Gina regrets doing it. And then they're all talking

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<v Speaker 1>about how Gina is like such a sick aphant to Heather,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it is, Well it is true, but like

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<v Speaker 2>it's such a dumb it's such a nothing argument.

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<v Speaker 1>The whole thing so stupid. Well, here's here's what kind

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<v Speaker 1>of bugs me about this whole thing. Katie is brand new,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't like it when people think, oh, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to have this like crazy big storyline and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to get myself right in the middle of the drama.

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<v Speaker 1>It is always a recipe to be one and done

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<v Speaker 1>on this show because show have a storyline. This is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a Crystal thing at this point, and not

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<v Speaker 1>just because they're both Asian. Yeah, Crystal tried to come

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<v Speaker 1>in hot like this. She had the same like sort

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<v Speaker 1>of older husband and she and she was younger. I

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<v Speaker 1>think Katie's young and I think they they think they

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<v Speaker 1>get a sense of importance that they haven't earned.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, and they also have watched the show, so they

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<v Speaker 2>think that they're going to be they're going to play

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<v Speaker 2>everyone because they know they know all the moving parts,

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<v Speaker 2>so they know which buttons to push, right, But you're right,

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<v Speaker 2>it never works out because to them, to the ogs,

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<v Speaker 2>they're like, who is this on fly? You know who's

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<v Speaker 2>exactly got to hear?

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<v Speaker 1>And then they're mad though about people not coming to

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<v Speaker 1>their defense, and it's like, but you do understand that

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<v Speaker 1>these people have been on a show on a cast

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<v Speaker 1>before you what makes you think that they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>suddenly turn on their own regular cast members and go like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh Katie, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Got her, You got her? So dumb, it's so dumb. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I still think that the whole thing is Heather's just

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<v Speaker 2>trying to get off the show anyway, so like they

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<v Speaker 2>needed something. But they've been doing that to her for

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<v Speaker 2>a while. They always get they're jealous, right fancy pants?

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<v Speaker 2>They call her yeah, okay, because what she can read.

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<v Speaker 2>But so back to Heather and Gina still going on

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<v Speaker 2>about this. They squashed it, but then Heather's like, but

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<v Speaker 2>exactly how long ago did Katie start talking shit and

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<v Speaker 2>Gina's like it was a couple of months ago. And

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<v Speaker 2>then Jen tells the camera that she thinks Gina's to

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<v Speaker 2>blame for this issue with Heather, which is sort of true.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think that I think Katie would have done

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<v Speaker 1>this with somebody else. She tried to use Gina to

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<v Speaker 1>start the trouble, but Katie would have just gone to

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<v Speaker 1>somebody about this totally. Of course, she needs to stay

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<v Speaker 1>on the show. She has nothing really yet, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>dislike her. We have different views on Katie. I kind

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<v Speaker 1>I guess just because, like.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, occasionally they have someone come in and they're

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I don't know. She elevates the show a little.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll see, Okay, so let's talk about this Emily. Sheene okay,

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<v Speaker 2>for oh, I have a lot to say about that,

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<v Speaker 2>so much to say that this made me sick. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's their anniversary. They go to dinner and she's like,

418
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<v Speaker 2>what'd you do? He's like, I took care of the

419
00:21:48.160 --> 00:21:50.400
<v Speaker 2>kids all day. He says things like that to her, M.

420
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<v Speaker 1>What he's so gross. How could she? What? What is

421
00:21:56.079 --> 00:22:00.200
<v Speaker 1>it about him? What's so passive? Aggressive? Yes? And what

422
00:22:00.279 --> 00:22:02.599
<v Speaker 1>is the redeeming? Quite like, what are we missing? I

423
00:22:02.599 --> 00:22:06.720
<v Speaker 1>don't know, but somebody on like Reddit or something was like, oh,

424
00:22:06.759 --> 00:22:09.359
<v Speaker 1>yeah they have like a nice relationship. No they don't.

425
00:22:10.000 --> 00:22:12.279
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. Then he's so weird.

426
00:22:12.319 --> 00:22:14.599
<v Speaker 2>He's like an he's like at fifteen, he feels he's

427
00:22:14.720 --> 00:22:19.640
<v Speaker 2>very emotionally stunted. He gives her this, he upscales her

428
00:22:19.680 --> 00:22:22.039
<v Speaker 2>engagement ringers, and he gives her this big old rock

429
00:22:22.440 --> 00:22:24.519
<v Speaker 2>and did she paid for Yeah?

430
00:22:24.559 --> 00:22:29.359
<v Speaker 1>Did you notice? She's like, oh, thanks? She goes, She

431
00:22:29.880 --> 00:22:32.000
<v Speaker 1>literally just goes, that's nice.

432
00:22:32.880 --> 00:22:35.359
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, cause she's she's also kind of terrible. But

433
00:22:35.400 --> 00:22:37.960
<v Speaker 2>now now comes her a present. She took these crazy

434
00:22:38.039 --> 00:22:41.559
<v Speaker 2>naked picks or they're not naked but kind of whatever.

435
00:22:42.079 --> 00:22:43.359
<v Speaker 1>Yes, boudoir photos.

436
00:22:43.960 --> 00:22:46.279
<v Speaker 2>So she pulls those out and he's like, oh, yeah, okay,

437
00:22:46.319 --> 00:22:48.400
<v Speaker 2>that's nice. And later this is a little bit of

438
00:22:48.440 --> 00:22:50.839
<v Speaker 2>a jump ahead. It really made me laugh when they

439
00:22:50.839 --> 00:22:53.599
<v Speaker 2>were outside because he, obviously this was off camera, had

440
00:22:53.640 --> 00:22:56.359
<v Speaker 2>said this doesn't look anything like you. So he's holding

441
00:22:56.400 --> 00:22:59.200
<v Speaker 2>it up to passers by and saying, does this look

442
00:22:59.279 --> 00:23:01.079
<v Speaker 2>can you tell that the this is my wife m M,

443
00:23:01.759 --> 00:23:04.559
<v Speaker 2>which is kind of funny actually, because of course it

444
00:23:04.599 --> 00:23:07.799
<v Speaker 2>looks nothing like her, right, it's so photoshopped, it might

445
00:23:07.839 --> 00:23:11.920
<v Speaker 2>as well just be like, you know, Cindy Crawford. Yeah,

446
00:23:11.960 --> 00:23:14.000
<v Speaker 2>it's absurd. I mean it's very nice, I guess. But

447
00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:15.160
<v Speaker 2>where are they going to put that? Where are you

448
00:23:15.160 --> 00:23:15.640
<v Speaker 2>going to hang that?

449
00:23:15.880 --> 00:23:17.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean, well, that's the thing. Are you that into

450
00:23:17.920 --> 00:23:20.200
<v Speaker 1>yourself that you're going to hang that in your living room?

451
00:23:20.240 --> 00:23:20.720
<v Speaker 1>I don't get it.

452
00:23:20.880 --> 00:23:23.240
<v Speaker 2>Your kids to see that, Like, yeah, I mean, ew,

453
00:23:23.519 --> 00:23:26.960
<v Speaker 2>it's what what's happening there? But that happens later that

454
00:23:27.039 --> 00:23:28.640
<v Speaker 2>kind of made. But he's not that into it either.

455
00:23:28.640 --> 00:23:31.519
<v Speaker 2>They're both like yeah, things okay, And.

456
00:23:31.480 --> 00:23:34.599
<v Speaker 1>They're trying to bring us this storyline that you know,

457
00:23:34.759 --> 00:23:38.279
<v Speaker 1>Emily's like, you know, you said that you were going

458
00:23:38.359 --> 00:23:40.200
<v Speaker 1>to like I said, I was going to try to

459
00:23:40.359 --> 00:23:42.240
<v Speaker 1>like go to the gym less, but you said you

460
00:23:42.240 --> 00:23:43.559
<v Speaker 1>were going to try to like go to the gym

461
00:23:43.599 --> 00:23:47.119
<v Speaker 1>more like you were going to be healthy. And that's

462
00:23:47.200 --> 00:23:50.880
<v Speaker 1>their whole thing that they're trying to build sort of

463
00:23:50.920 --> 00:23:54.440
<v Speaker 1>a fight around, which is such a who cares? Right,

464
00:23:56.000 --> 00:23:58.119
<v Speaker 1>I don't care? I know, I know, I know it's

465
00:23:58.160 --> 00:24:00.519
<v Speaker 1>so dumb. So then or did you notice too well?

466
00:24:00.559 --> 00:24:03.559
<v Speaker 1>I have one little comment, so Shane. So I don't

467
00:24:03.559 --> 00:24:06.960
<v Speaker 1>know if it's just to create something, but you know,

468
00:24:07.000 --> 00:24:08.759
<v Speaker 1>she's like, I just wanted you to be healthier. And

469
00:24:08.880 --> 00:24:10.680
<v Speaker 1>so he's he's like, I'm going to order the meat

470
00:24:10.720 --> 00:24:13.839
<v Speaker 1>Lover's pizza and he doesn't know how to pronounce supreme?

471
00:24:14.279 --> 00:24:16.200
<v Speaker 1>Did you get that? Did you hear that? He goes,

472
00:24:16.400 --> 00:24:21.440
<v Speaker 1>can I get the supreme? He goes? Then he kind

473
00:24:21.480 --> 00:24:26.480
<v Speaker 1>of corrected it. He goes the supreme Supreme. Maybe that's

474
00:24:26.480 --> 00:24:27.240
<v Speaker 1>an eyesight thing.

475
00:24:27.279 --> 00:24:30.079
<v Speaker 2>Maybe for a second, you know, that does happen sometimes

476
00:24:30.400 --> 00:24:33.440
<v Speaker 2>we've all had I'm not don't make me defend Shane.

477
00:24:34.000 --> 00:24:36.920
<v Speaker 1>Okay, but then he orders fries as an entree and

478
00:24:36.960 --> 00:24:38.799
<v Speaker 1>I was like, now you're just fucking with us, and

479
00:24:38.799 --> 00:24:39.279
<v Speaker 1>she's like.

480
00:24:39.200 --> 00:24:42.440
<v Speaker 3>Ah, he loves his fries. He loves his fries. We're

481
00:24:42.480 --> 00:24:47.279
<v Speaker 3>so silly also also, and this is just for you.

482
00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:53.680
<v Speaker 3>But so they do these questions that the producers gave them,

483
00:24:54.160 --> 00:24:57.680
<v Speaker 3>some staged questions. Okay, I have a question for you.

484
00:24:58.079 --> 00:25:00.640
<v Speaker 3>If you could go back fifteen years, would you still

485
00:25:00.680 --> 00:25:04.039
<v Speaker 3>marry me? And then they do like another questions like.

486
00:25:04.079 --> 00:25:07.839
<v Speaker 1>These two people have so little to talk about that

487
00:25:07.920 --> 00:25:11.359
<v Speaker 1>they have to give them. Like I understand this, if

488
00:25:11.359 --> 00:25:13.680
<v Speaker 1>you're sending people on a first date, if it's like

489
00:25:13.720 --> 00:25:16.240
<v Speaker 1>a dating show and you're like okay, if it's like

490
00:25:16.319 --> 00:25:19.000
<v Speaker 1>love is Blind, then they come in with questions. But

491
00:25:19.039 --> 00:25:21.839
<v Speaker 1>these two have been married fifteen years. If their storyline

492
00:25:21.880 --> 00:25:24.240
<v Speaker 1>is that shitty that you have to give them questions

493
00:25:24.279 --> 00:25:27.400
<v Speaker 1>to ask each other, how about just don't show them.

494
00:25:27.279 --> 00:25:31.599
<v Speaker 2>Right, agreed, don't show kick them off the show. She's

495
00:25:31.640 --> 00:25:33.799
<v Speaker 2>not going anywhere. Though she's kind of a favorite, she's

496
00:25:33.839 --> 00:25:37.799
<v Speaker 2>off and unwatch what happens. He likes her, Andy Cohen,

497
00:25:38.599 --> 00:25:41.359
<v Speaker 2>I guess I don't know why. I think he thinks.

498
00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:44.440
<v Speaker 2>I think there's this idea that Emily elevates the show

499
00:25:44.480 --> 00:25:47.759
<v Speaker 2>as well because she's a lawyer, she's intelligent. You know,

500
00:25:47.799 --> 00:25:50.119
<v Speaker 2>for a long time we were just dealing with like Vicky,

501
00:25:50.240 --> 00:25:54.400
<v Speaker 2>Tamra Shannon. It was really low end, right, So I

502
00:25:54.480 --> 00:25:56.200
<v Speaker 2>think they're trying to and you know, once they brought

503
00:25:56.640 --> 00:25:58.640
<v Speaker 2>Emily and Gina, I think kind of they did take

504
00:25:58.680 --> 00:26:01.200
<v Speaker 2>it to a different level. But they're just She's just

505
00:26:01.200 --> 00:26:05.440
<v Speaker 2>not likable, No, not at all, by the way. I

506
00:26:05.519 --> 00:26:07.759
<v Speaker 2>just peek behind a curtain. So I have this Okay,

507
00:26:07.759 --> 00:26:09.079
<v Speaker 2>this kind of gross. But do you ever get like

508
00:26:09.359 --> 00:26:12.680
<v Speaker 2>canker sores on your tongue? Yes, forget those? So I

509
00:26:13.319 --> 00:26:15.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, so I use this like oral pain. You know,

510
00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:17.480
<v Speaker 2>you put the little gel on it so it doesn't hurt,

511
00:26:17.799 --> 00:26:19.400
<v Speaker 2>and I just did it, but I put too much

512
00:26:19.480 --> 00:26:22.599
<v Speaker 2>and so now my mouth isn't moving right, So I apologize.

513
00:26:23.559 --> 00:26:25.079
<v Speaker 1>I didn't really have to tell you guys all that,

514
00:26:25.200 --> 00:26:26.759
<v Speaker 1>but that's how much I trust you.

515
00:26:28.240 --> 00:26:29.920
<v Speaker 2>Now my lip is like you know when you go

516
00:26:29.920 --> 00:26:31.880
<v Speaker 2>to the dentist and you're like, your lip isn't moving.

517
00:26:32.440 --> 00:26:36.119
<v Speaker 2>That's happening, just so you know, Okay, I'm no I

518
00:26:36.160 --> 00:26:39.759
<v Speaker 2>know I seem perfect. I'm just far from it. Just

519
00:26:39.880 --> 00:26:41.799
<v Speaker 2>I just put my pants on just like you guys,

520
00:26:42.480 --> 00:26:45.599
<v Speaker 2>both legs at a time. Why would you even say,

521
00:26:45.599 --> 00:26:46.720
<v Speaker 2>who would brag about that?

522
00:26:47.960 --> 00:26:50.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm just the same as you, Like, I don't have

523
00:26:50.079 --> 00:26:52.279
<v Speaker 1>somebody that puts my pants on for me, Like, yeah,

524
00:26:52.279 --> 00:26:53.319
<v Speaker 1>what is the alternative?

525
00:26:53.720 --> 00:26:55.279
<v Speaker 2>Or I just like that, just like I just you know,

526
00:26:55.400 --> 00:26:58.480
<v Speaker 2>I hop both legs into one pant leg, you know,

527
00:26:58.759 --> 00:27:00.400
<v Speaker 2>And that's all I use you guys.

528
00:27:00.559 --> 00:27:03.640
<v Speaker 1>It's just like you guys stars. Okay, they're just like us.

529
00:27:03.799 --> 00:27:06.839
<v Speaker 2>So Katie and Gina go to coffee and I didn't care.

530
00:27:06.880 --> 00:27:09.640
<v Speaker 2>We already sort of had this conversation about them. Katie's

531
00:27:09.640 --> 00:27:13.039
<v Speaker 2>mad that Gina stayed loyal to Heather, and then again I.

532
00:27:13.000 --> 00:27:15.119
<v Speaker 1>Did think that this was kind of weird. Yes, that

533
00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:18.799
<v Speaker 1>she's like, I felt really abandoned. She starts crying, what

534
00:27:19.119 --> 00:27:22.599
<v Speaker 1>is Katie doing? Please tell me, because you're saying you

535
00:27:22.680 --> 00:27:24.559
<v Speaker 1>like her. What I don't get it.

536
00:27:24.759 --> 00:27:26.480
<v Speaker 2>Well, I didn't like this moment where she cried, and

537
00:27:26.559 --> 00:27:28.680
<v Speaker 2>poor Gina was like, oh my god, oh my, I'm

538
00:27:28.720 --> 00:27:29.559
<v Speaker 2>so sorry.

539
00:27:29.720 --> 00:27:32.319
<v Speaker 1>I'm oh my god. Yeah, except for the fact that

540
00:27:32.359 --> 00:27:36.079
<v Speaker 1>she's not really sorry because basically Katie's like, you took

541
00:27:36.119 --> 00:27:39.599
<v Speaker 1>Heather's side. Yeah, because they've known each other for a

542
00:27:39.680 --> 00:27:41.240
<v Speaker 1>long time. They're on a show.

543
00:27:40.960 --> 00:27:43.160
<v Speaker 2>Together, right, they're actual friends.

544
00:27:43.640 --> 00:27:46.319
<v Speaker 1>And Gina goes, well, yeah, but I told you not

545
00:27:46.440 --> 00:27:49.920
<v Speaker 1>to bring it up, so that's your fault. And if

546
00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:52.559
<v Speaker 1>I took if I took your side, Heather would be

547
00:27:52.759 --> 00:27:56.039
<v Speaker 1>would have been mad at me. I'm from New York.

548
00:27:56.279 --> 00:27:59.480
<v Speaker 1>Then she actually, if you think about it, I should

549
00:27:59.519 --> 00:28:04.720
<v Speaker 1>have had us back now Jeopardy because of the choices

550
00:28:04.839 --> 00:28:09.960
<v Speaker 1>you made. Loves in Jeopardy Baby.

551
00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:14.480
<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's get to Shannon and Jean the Machine. Oh,

552
00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:16.799
<v Speaker 2>which actually brings me to a good f Mary kill

553
00:28:17.240 --> 00:28:19.559
<v Speaker 2>Jeane the Machine Shane.

554
00:28:20.680 --> 00:28:23.359
<v Speaker 1>Or Ryan, Jen's husband or boyfriend.

555
00:28:23.720 --> 00:28:26.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's a tough one.

556
00:28:26.680 --> 00:28:32.279
<v Speaker 1>I marry Jane the Machine. Obviously it's kind of a drunk.

557
00:28:33.200 --> 00:28:35.960
<v Speaker 1>But okay, a drunk with I think a lot of money.

558
00:28:36.039 --> 00:28:37.880
<v Speaker 1>All right, So you married Gane the Machine. You kill

559
00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:41.279
<v Speaker 1>Shane easy, Okay, that's yes, all right. I got to

560
00:28:41.319 --> 00:28:42.079
<v Speaker 1>make these harder.

561
00:28:42.880 --> 00:28:45.920
<v Speaker 2>So Shannon goes to lunch with her dad Jane the Machine,

562
00:28:46.000 --> 00:28:49.960
<v Speaker 2>And did you notice when she's talking about her childhood

563
00:28:49.960 --> 00:28:52.279
<v Speaker 2>and showing picture's like, yeah, I mean yeah, we drank

564
00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:54.839
<v Speaker 2>like everyone drank. Sure, we had champagne and all that

565
00:28:54.880 --> 00:28:57.359
<v Speaker 2>stuff in our fridge. It was the seventies. We were fun.

566
00:28:57.960 --> 00:29:00.440
<v Speaker 2>She keeps saying that over like she's real, trying to

567
00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:02.519
<v Speaker 2>convince herself that she does not have an issue. We're

568
00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:03.000
<v Speaker 2>just fun.

569
00:29:04.079 --> 00:29:07.160
<v Speaker 1>So f fun people I have. I don't know that

570
00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:11.160
<v Speaker 1>I've ever seen somebody who is less self aware than Shannon.

571
00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:14.240
<v Speaker 2>The thing is, I think she is self aware, she

572
00:29:14.400 --> 00:29:16.839
<v Speaker 2>just can't she just doesn't want to deal with it.

573
00:29:17.000 --> 00:29:19.279
<v Speaker 1>I think she knows, you do?

574
00:29:19.640 --> 00:29:22.319
<v Speaker 2>I weirdly do I think that like she's I think

575
00:29:22.359 --> 00:29:25.519
<v Speaker 2>she's breaking down this season. I could be wrong, but

576
00:29:25.599 --> 00:29:28.359
<v Speaker 2>I feel like she knows but just is not can't

577
00:29:28.359 --> 00:29:28.759
<v Speaker 2>handle it.

578
00:29:28.839 --> 00:29:30.240
<v Speaker 1>What do you think she knows? Do you think she

579
00:29:30.319 --> 00:29:33.039
<v Speaker 1>knows that she's an alcoholic because she's sure of fighting

580
00:29:33.079 --> 00:29:35.920
<v Speaker 1>with people a lot. But I think this is like

581
00:29:36.039 --> 00:29:36.599
<v Speaker 1>the stage.

582
00:29:36.640 --> 00:29:39.720
<v Speaker 2>Although I think the problem for her is that she's

583
00:29:39.759 --> 00:29:42.319
<v Speaker 2>on a show with a lot of big party drinkers,

584
00:29:42.359 --> 00:29:45.880
<v Speaker 2>all of them, so it sort of feels unfair. She's like, Okay,

585
00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:47.400
<v Speaker 2>well I'm the one who got you know, the most

586
00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:50.400
<v Speaker 2>fucked up this time, but so did Gina. Gina's had

587
00:29:50.440 --> 00:29:53.200
<v Speaker 2>a dui. You know, you look at it. They all

588
00:29:53.279 --> 00:29:54.200
<v Speaker 2>drink a lot.

589
00:29:54.680 --> 00:29:58.599
<v Speaker 1>Gina doesn't drink anymore, right, she did stop, but it's okay,

590
00:29:58.599 --> 00:30:01.519
<v Speaker 1>But you've got that she doesn't. She drink a little bit.

591
00:30:01.640 --> 00:30:05.359
<v Speaker 2>I think Sheina does occasions she could drink, but when

592
00:30:05.400 --> 00:30:07.680
<v Speaker 2>Leuanne got into all that trouble, she kind of tried

593
00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:10.359
<v Speaker 2>to get sober but then didn't right and kind of

594
00:30:10.400 --> 00:30:13.519
<v Speaker 2>sort of settled back into whatever works for her, you know,

595
00:30:14.279 --> 00:30:15.920
<v Speaker 2>for as long as she can make that work. But

596
00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:18.480
<v Speaker 2>then you got Tamra, you got Emily, They're all just

597
00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:22.680
<v Speaker 2>wasted when they go out. Tamrasn't out of control. Vicki's

598
00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:25.519
<v Speaker 2>out of control. So she feels like, why am I

599
00:30:25.599 --> 00:30:27.279
<v Speaker 2>the only one that can't have two drinks?

600
00:30:28.759 --> 00:30:33.039
<v Speaker 1>Right? But the thing is, and we'll get to this later,

601
00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:37.200
<v Speaker 1>the thing is that none of the other people, well Gina,

602
00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:40.319
<v Speaker 1>Gina did get arrested for a dui, so and now

603
00:30:40.359 --> 00:30:44.799
<v Speaker 1>she's doing something about it. The other women, I mean,

604
00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:47.839
<v Speaker 1>Shannon has been like this as as we were even

605
00:30:47.880 --> 00:30:51.680
<v Speaker 1>talking about off the air since season one. Yeah, herself,

606
00:30:51.920 --> 00:30:55.200
<v Speaker 1>so sure to be constantly going like, it's not fair,

607
00:30:55.240 --> 00:30:58.079
<v Speaker 1>it's just so, it's just so childish. Yeah, you're right.

608
00:30:58.119 --> 00:31:00.759
<v Speaker 2>There have been seasons past where they had like interventions.

609
00:31:00.759 --> 00:31:03.880
<v Speaker 2>For Shannon, this is not I mean many many times.

610
00:31:04.160 --> 00:31:06.000
<v Speaker 2>They had one in the hotel when they were on vacation,

611
00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:07.880
<v Speaker 2>at that party. I mean there have been so many

612
00:31:07.880 --> 00:31:11.440
<v Speaker 2>different ones. You're right, No, it's beyond and they're sick

613
00:31:11.480 --> 00:31:13.880
<v Speaker 2>of it. But then she's having this conversation with her

614
00:31:13.960 --> 00:31:16.359
<v Speaker 2>dad and she's she's like, yeah, we're so fun, We're

615
00:31:16.400 --> 00:31:18.559
<v Speaker 2>so fun, fun fun. Oh yeah, ps, can you please

616
00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:24.640
<v Speaker 2>install a breathalyzer? No, biggie Yeah, says to her. There's

617
00:31:24.799 --> 00:31:27.759
<v Speaker 2>obviously something going on because the dad goes, are you

618
00:31:27.799 --> 00:31:29.559
<v Speaker 2>cutting down on your drinking? Yeah?

619
00:31:29.799 --> 00:31:33.240
<v Speaker 1>And then she goes, dad, I barely drink. I limit

620
00:31:33.319 --> 00:31:39.240
<v Speaker 1>myself to two. So she's already, you know, putting that

621
00:31:39.400 --> 00:31:42.039
<v Speaker 1>like I hardly drink. Well, first of all, if you

622
00:31:42.039 --> 00:31:44.480
<v Speaker 1>limit yourself, if you have two drinks every single day,

623
00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:50.680
<v Speaker 1>then that's fourteen drinks a week, which is not really nothing. No,

624
00:31:50.759 --> 00:31:53.559
<v Speaker 1>it's definitely don't. I don't think that's what they mean

625
00:31:53.599 --> 00:31:55.839
<v Speaker 1>when people say two drinks limit. I don't think they

626
00:31:55.880 --> 00:31:57.359
<v Speaker 1>mean every day, but maybe she does.

627
00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:01.920
<v Speaker 2>She's definitely an not Oh, I'm not in no way

628
00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:03.920
<v Speaker 2>am I saying she doesn't have an issue. She's an

629
00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:07.480
<v Speaker 2>alcoholic and it's sad. It's hard to see, but I

630
00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:09.680
<v Speaker 2>think she's starting to kind of I could be wrong

631
00:32:09.720 --> 00:32:11.720
<v Speaker 2>about that. She's in denial about so many things, like

632
00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:15.079
<v Speaker 2>she the John Jansen that she owes she he's suing

633
00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:18.079
<v Speaker 2>her for seventy five thousand or he's asking for a

634
00:32:18.079 --> 00:32:21.160
<v Speaker 2>seventy five thousand back and he's going to sue her,

635
00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:23.440
<v Speaker 2>And doesn't the dad say like, well, did did he

636
00:32:23.480 --> 00:32:25.880
<v Speaker 2>give it to you? And then they try to do

637
00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:28.079
<v Speaker 2>that narrative again where it's like, yeah, but didn't you

638
00:32:28.119 --> 00:32:30.720
<v Speaker 2>pay for every like you know, she had conversations with

639
00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:33.640
<v Speaker 2>everybody off camera, and because she did it with Vicky too,

640
00:32:33.640 --> 00:32:36.680
<v Speaker 2>where you everybody goes, yeah, but didn't you pay for everything?

641
00:32:37.480 --> 00:32:40.799
<v Speaker 1>Did she pay for everything? I don't think so? Okay, Well,

642
00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:45.000
<v Speaker 1>if if she paid for everything, why would he be

643
00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:48.240
<v Speaker 1>the one? Why would she be going to him for money? Exactly?

644
00:32:48.279 --> 00:32:51.920
<v Speaker 1>If she's got so much money, get your own fucking facelift.

645
00:32:51.920 --> 00:32:55.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't understand why. I mean, I don't understand why

646
00:32:55.240 --> 00:32:57.400
<v Speaker 1>he would have to be wiring money into her account.

647
00:32:57.480 --> 00:32:58.440
<v Speaker 1>It makes no sense.

648
00:32:58.920 --> 00:33:00.759
<v Speaker 2>She did not pay for it. She wouldn't have done that.

649
00:33:01.240 --> 00:33:03.759
<v Speaker 2>She wouldn't have been with David and then been with

650
00:33:03.839 --> 00:33:04.359
<v Speaker 2>this guy.

651
00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:07.960
<v Speaker 1>This is what she says too. So the dad goes, well,

652
00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:11.039
<v Speaker 1>do you owe him money? And Shannon says she does

653
00:33:11.079 --> 00:33:16.240
<v Speaker 1>not say unequivocally, of course not he gave She goes,

654
00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:19.920
<v Speaker 1>she goes, well, as far as I was concerned, he

655
00:33:20.039 --> 00:33:22.880
<v Speaker 1>was giving me the money, I never signed anything. Okay, Yeah,

656
00:33:23.200 --> 00:33:28.000
<v Speaker 1>well I think that that sounds so sus I am

657
00:33:28.079 --> 00:33:30.680
<v Speaker 1>concerned as far as I was concerned, So what does

658
00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:32.880
<v Speaker 1>that mean? Does that mean, like, well, I've paid for

659
00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:34.839
<v Speaker 1>dinner a bunch of times, so like I shouldn't have

660
00:33:34.880 --> 00:33:36.920
<v Speaker 1>to pay him back, Like what does it mean? I

661
00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:40.559
<v Speaker 1>don't believe. I personally don't believe, and I don't know

662
00:33:40.559 --> 00:33:43.720
<v Speaker 1>anything about John Jansen. He seems horrible, But I don't

663
00:33:43.720 --> 00:33:47.720
<v Speaker 1>believe that that guy would be suing her if he

664
00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:49.960
<v Speaker 1>really did give her a gift, because there's got to

665
00:33:49.960 --> 00:33:52.720
<v Speaker 1>be proof of that. There's got to be texts where

666
00:33:53.319 --> 00:33:56.079
<v Speaker 1>either she where he was like, no, I insist that

667
00:33:56.079 --> 00:33:59.599
<v Speaker 1>you don't have to pay me back. I guarantee you.

668
00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:02.799
<v Speaker 2>She was like, I'll pay you back one hundred percent.

669
00:34:02.880 --> 00:34:04.759
<v Speaker 2>Was alone, That's what I wrote down to you. I wrote, wait,

670
00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:07.680
<v Speaker 2>so it was alone because she's not denying it, she's

671
00:34:07.759 --> 00:34:10.239
<v Speaker 2>talking circles around it. And you're right, I don't think

672
00:34:10.280 --> 00:34:13.199
<v Speaker 2>he wants anything to do with her. I mean, he's disgusting.

673
00:34:13.280 --> 00:34:16.400
<v Speaker 2>He's like, I don't think he's Brooks level, but you know,

674
00:34:16.639 --> 00:34:17.119
<v Speaker 2>not far.

675
00:34:17.519 --> 00:34:21.599
<v Speaker 1>Then Shannon says, which I think also plays into it. Shannon,

676
00:34:21.639 --> 00:34:24.639
<v Speaker 1>who's just the perpetual victim, is like it says in

677
00:34:24.719 --> 00:34:26.960
<v Speaker 1>the letter that I have until Tuesday to come up

678
00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:31.480
<v Speaker 1>with a repayment plan. So you can't even agree to

679
00:34:31.480 --> 00:34:34.079
<v Speaker 1>make payments to him. You're just like, you know, you

680
00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:37.280
<v Speaker 1>gave me a facelift. Okay, first of all, let's just

681
00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:40.159
<v Speaker 1>say the facelift, because this is what Shannon claims was

682
00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:44.559
<v Speaker 1>thirty five thousand dollars. Let's just say Jesus, so he

683
00:34:44.599 --> 00:34:47.159
<v Speaker 1>gave her thirty five thousand dollars and then he gave

684
00:34:47.159 --> 00:34:51.159
<v Speaker 1>her another thirty thousand dollars. He's wiring her money into

685
00:34:51.239 --> 00:34:54.400
<v Speaker 1>her account. Do people really just go like, I just

686
00:34:54.400 --> 00:34:57.360
<v Speaker 1>want to give you thirty grand I no, wire it

687
00:34:57.360 --> 00:35:01.079
<v Speaker 1>into your account, just for fun, just for fun. Well, yes, exactly,

688
00:35:01.159 --> 00:35:03.719
<v Speaker 1>a guy that you're claiming had no money and you

689
00:35:03.800 --> 00:35:04.480
<v Speaker 1>paid for everything.

690
00:35:04.719 --> 00:35:09.880
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm yeah, no, absolutely not totally not so. So

691
00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:12.960
<v Speaker 2>now Dad's like, well, I don't care what it costs.

692
00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:14.960
<v Speaker 2>You have to fight it. You go for the jugular.

693
00:35:15.079 --> 00:35:17.800
<v Speaker 2>He's giving his daughter very bad advice. Well but yeah,

694
00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:20.440
<v Speaker 2>but here's the thing. Here's where this episode got interesting.

695
00:35:20.920 --> 00:35:23.960
<v Speaker 2>Both Shannon and then later like Alexis who is the

696
00:35:24.639 --> 00:35:28.159
<v Speaker 2>voice of John Jansen, which is all just one big nightmare,

697
00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:30.440
<v Speaker 2>one big nightmare. Yeah, they're both saying back and forth,

698
00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:31.159
<v Speaker 2>I got receipts.

699
00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:31.800
<v Speaker 1>You just wait.

700
00:35:32.199 --> 00:35:34.519
<v Speaker 2>They're both saying like, you don't want what I have

701
00:35:34.719 --> 00:35:37.840
<v Speaker 2>on you to come out, right, So either I mean

702
00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:40.440
<v Speaker 2>somebody has something, and I think maybe they might both

703
00:35:40.480 --> 00:35:43.000
<v Speaker 2>have stuff. It could be horrible stuff that John Jansen

704
00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:45.519
<v Speaker 2>has said via text that she's going to put out,

705
00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:48.360
<v Speaker 2>or that Alexis you know, I'm sure of course Alexis

706
00:35:48.400 --> 00:35:51.320
<v Speaker 2>has receipts. Of course she does, because yes, it was alone.

707
00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:53.719
<v Speaker 2>But also Alexis, stay out of it.

708
00:35:54.719 --> 00:35:55.960
<v Speaker 1>This is between I mean.

709
00:35:55.840 --> 00:35:59.519
<v Speaker 2>How she's so uh, I get And then that brings

710
00:35:59.559 --> 00:36:01.800
<v Speaker 2>us to the next scene, which is Alexis and Tamra, who,

711
00:36:01.880 --> 00:36:03.719
<v Speaker 2>by the way, they hated each other so much. Tamra

712
00:36:03.840 --> 00:36:07.320
<v Speaker 2>named her Jesus jugs right, and by the way, those

713
00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:12.400
<v Speaker 2>those Jesus jugs were bought by her husband, Jim the

714
00:36:12.639 --> 00:36:17.000
<v Speaker 2>Worst the Worst, who also sued along with Alexis Tamra,

715
00:36:17.480 --> 00:36:20.920
<v Speaker 2>right was last season. But now they're friends because they

716
00:36:20.920 --> 00:36:22.440
<v Speaker 2>can just hate Shannon together.

717
00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:25.280
<v Speaker 1>Because the enemy of my enemy is my friend. It's

718
00:36:25.480 --> 00:36:29.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean classic. They're both horrible mean girls. I mean,

719
00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:32.480
<v Speaker 1>Tamra is an incredible mean girl and always has been

720
00:36:32.519 --> 00:36:38.480
<v Speaker 1>and just doesn't care, right, and also how weird too,

721
00:36:38.719 --> 00:36:42.039
<v Speaker 1>especially given like their kids stuff. So Alexis, like we

722
00:36:42.119 --> 00:36:43.639
<v Speaker 1>talked about, has a trans child.

723
00:36:44.199 --> 00:36:48.039
<v Speaker 2>Tamra has a kid that like speaks really horribly about

724
00:36:48.039 --> 00:36:52.079
<v Speaker 2>trans Peter. How did they ever have a conversation, Like,

725
00:36:52.679 --> 00:36:55.639
<v Speaker 2>I wonder, I wonder how much Alexis even knows about that.

726
00:36:56.840 --> 00:37:01.079
<v Speaker 1>I think les Is I would. I think she knows

727
00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:06.280
<v Speaker 1>and doesn't really care because she's so self interested that

728
00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:08.920
<v Speaker 1>it just doesn't matter. She wants to be on this show.

729
00:37:09.119 --> 00:37:11.920
<v Speaker 1>She wants She's dying to be famous. I think John

730
00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:15.760
<v Speaker 1>Jansen's dying to be famous too, totally with Shannon and

731
00:37:16.039 --> 00:37:19.079
<v Speaker 1>probably really despised her the whole time. I bet you,

732
00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:21.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, absolutely.

733
00:37:21.639 --> 00:37:24.239
<v Speaker 2>So of course they're talking about it and still talking

734
00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:25.079
<v Speaker 2>about rehab.

735
00:37:25.599 --> 00:37:27.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh didn't you go to rehabs? She didn't go, tob and.

736
00:37:27.880 --> 00:37:30.199
<v Speaker 2>Tam was mad because Shannon didn't go to the rehabs

737
00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:32.480
<v Speaker 2>she wanted her. She went to like, you know, one

738
00:37:32.519 --> 00:37:39.280
<v Speaker 2>of those pamper yoga retreats. I guess, yeah, which I

739
00:37:39.320 --> 00:37:42.119
<v Speaker 2>think it was, like do you remember and we've talked

740
00:37:42.119 --> 00:37:46.679
<v Speaker 2>about this Enlightened, Yes, remember when so in Enlightened, Laura

741
00:37:46.760 --> 00:37:49.360
<v Speaker 2>Dern goes to like a one of those places where

742
00:37:49.400 --> 00:37:50.679
<v Speaker 2>she's like, yeah, we did.

743
00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:53.239
<v Speaker 1>Yoga and blah blah blah. There were people there for addiction,

744
00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:56.440
<v Speaker 1>but I was there for like my mental health, and

745
00:37:56.480 --> 00:37:59.360
<v Speaker 1>she swam with the turtles. Right, But because there are

746
00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:01.199
<v Speaker 1>people there, and this is going to come back later

747
00:38:01.239 --> 00:38:04.280
<v Speaker 1>because Shannon's like, I couldn't drink in my program. But

748
00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:06.280
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't mean that she ever admitted that she was

749
00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:11.119
<v Speaker 1>there for alcohol, right. She probably just thought she was

750
00:38:11.239 --> 00:38:14.400
<v Speaker 1>really stressed out because of John Jansen. He called and

751
00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:17.800
<v Speaker 1>she John Jansen. You don't know the truth about John.

752
00:38:18.079 --> 00:38:22.280
<v Speaker 2>But the thing is, like Shannon, she she probably had

753
00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:24.000
<v Speaker 2>to go when she got the arrest. I think there

754
00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:27.360
<v Speaker 2>were things she had to do. Yeah, oh yeah, But.

755
00:38:27.320 --> 00:38:30.039
<v Speaker 1>She probably didn't even acknowledge in there that she has

756
00:38:30.079 --> 00:38:34.239
<v Speaker 1>a problem with alcohol, which is so Also, this is

757
00:38:34.280 --> 00:38:38.239
<v Speaker 1>a scene where they flash over to Alexis who's talking

758
00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:45.199
<v Speaker 1>to producers, and she seems crazy. She's like maniacally going, yeah,

759
00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:50.119
<v Speaker 1>I didn't get invited to a party because Shannon got invited.

760
00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:53.599
<v Speaker 1>You want some fun at your party, you need Lexi.

761
00:38:54.639 --> 00:38:57.719
<v Speaker 2>She's renamed herself like sexy Lexi, Like no, no, no,

762
00:38:57.760 --> 00:38:59.239
<v Speaker 2>you don't get to give yourself a nickname.

763
00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:01.960
<v Speaker 1>Then they talk about yourself in the third person, he's

764
00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:02.679
<v Speaker 1>a good time.

765
00:39:03.599 --> 00:39:06.960
<v Speaker 2>She's always been the worst. She really is terrible, and

766
00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:09.880
<v Speaker 2>seeing her is it's triggering to me because she was

767
00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:13.519
<v Speaker 2>always very like judgmental if people weren't like super religious,

768
00:39:13.559 --> 00:39:17.320
<v Speaker 2>super Christian, like she's she's that comes up later, but

769
00:39:17.400 --> 00:39:19.000
<v Speaker 2>she's just, oh, she's awful.

770
00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:20.599
<v Speaker 1>They're all so bad, which is.

771
00:39:20.599 --> 00:39:23.280
<v Speaker 2>Great a great segue into the next scene, which is

772
00:39:23.280 --> 00:39:25.639
<v Speaker 2>that they're gonna party at a bar. Now now they're

773
00:39:25.679 --> 00:39:29.800
<v Speaker 2>having a big like drink cocktail tasting. Right of course

774
00:39:29.840 --> 00:39:31.960
<v Speaker 2>they are, But I just wanted.

775
00:39:31.639 --> 00:39:33.719
<v Speaker 1>To talk about this like a tiny bit more because

776
00:39:33.760 --> 00:39:38.000
<v Speaker 1>this this sets up something, which is that so Tarma

777
00:39:38.079 --> 00:39:43.199
<v Speaker 1>basically is saying that Shannon's an alcoholic and and she

778
00:39:43.239 --> 00:39:46.800
<v Speaker 1>says she's been a mess the entire ten years I've

779
00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:49.920
<v Speaker 1>known her. So this is where even though I don't

780
00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:54.800
<v Speaker 1>like Tamra clearly, but I also was kind of feeling

781
00:39:55.239 --> 00:39:59.519
<v Speaker 1>Tama is the kind of person who I think, who

782
00:39:59.639 --> 00:40:02.239
<v Speaker 1>like wants to help you, wants to help you, wants

783
00:40:02.280 --> 00:40:04.119
<v Speaker 1>to help you, wants to come across and look like

784
00:40:04.159 --> 00:40:07.360
<v Speaker 1>the good friend until she doesn't, and then she just

785
00:40:07.400 --> 00:40:11.320
<v Speaker 1>totally turns on you. But in her defense, she's like, yeah,

786
00:40:11.760 --> 00:40:15.360
<v Speaker 1>like basically they show a flashback to season one, which

787
00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:18.360
<v Speaker 1>we were talking about with Shannon, So this is ten

788
00:40:18.440 --> 00:40:22.840
<v Speaker 1>years ago. This is way proceeds John Jansen, who she's

789
00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:25.639
<v Speaker 1>going to claim later is the reason she drinks. They

790
00:40:25.719 --> 00:40:29.039
<v Speaker 1>show her season one at a party at Tamar's house,

791
00:40:29.480 --> 00:40:32.679
<v Speaker 1>screaming and going crazy and they called they had to

792
00:40:32.679 --> 00:40:36.400
<v Speaker 1>call the ambulance. Do you remember that? And of course,

793
00:40:36.679 --> 00:40:39.599
<v Speaker 1>and then that's they had an intervention with her that

794
00:40:39.719 --> 00:40:43.519
<v Speaker 1>early I believe season one they called the freaking nine

795
00:40:43.559 --> 00:40:47.000
<v Speaker 1>to one one because Shannon was so drunk and screaming

796
00:40:47.000 --> 00:40:48.800
<v Speaker 1>around the house and I think like saying she was

797
00:40:48.840 --> 00:40:50.119
<v Speaker 1>going to kill herself or something.

798
00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:53.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember that, but she was very upset. She

799
00:40:53.400 --> 00:40:54.679
<v Speaker 2>was really riled up.

800
00:40:54.679 --> 00:40:59.159
<v Speaker 1>But super super super drunk. So then Tamra says, this

801
00:40:59.239 --> 00:41:02.519
<v Speaker 1>is in that same scene, Tamra's talking to camera and

802
00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:05.519
<v Speaker 1>she's like, even my kids would say to me, Mom,

803
00:41:05.599 --> 00:41:07.880
<v Speaker 1>don't pick up the phone, like you can't save her.

804
00:41:09.360 --> 00:41:11.679
<v Speaker 1>And she says she tried to help her, and then

805
00:41:11.719 --> 00:41:14.800
<v Speaker 1>she says, but like whenever if I had a problem,

806
00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:17.679
<v Speaker 1>Shannon like wasn't there for me. And I thought, this

807
00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:21.440
<v Speaker 1>does track because I have had a friend like this

808
00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:27.000
<v Speaker 1>that you know, where it was always, always, always create

809
00:41:27.199 --> 00:41:32.639
<v Speaker 1>like craziness as mental illness, chaos, and if I wasn't

810
00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:35.760
<v Speaker 1>there for it, then I was like the enemy, right

811
00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:40.639
<v Speaker 1>if I didn't but never if there was ever something

812
00:41:41.280 --> 00:41:44.760
<v Speaker 1>about me. And this goes way back to way early

813
00:41:44.840 --> 00:41:48.519
<v Speaker 1>days of my friendship with this person. Yes, she would

814
00:41:48.719 --> 00:41:51.320
<v Speaker 1>almost act like she didn't know me. Yeah, if it

815
00:41:51.360 --> 00:41:53.039
<v Speaker 1>was like my thing, and I put up with it

816
00:41:53.039 --> 00:41:54.679
<v Speaker 1>for a really long time. So I was sort of

817
00:41:54.719 --> 00:41:58.320
<v Speaker 1>empathizing with Tamra that, like, Okay, wait a minute, since

818
00:41:58.440 --> 00:42:01.800
<v Speaker 1>I met her, she was a total hot, unstable mess

819
00:42:01.800 --> 00:42:05.239
<v Speaker 1>and everybody's rallied around her all the time. But it's

820
00:42:05.320 --> 00:42:08.679
<v Speaker 1>always other people's fault. Because then she says to Alexa,

821
00:42:08.760 --> 00:42:13.480
<v Speaker 1>she's like, and now she's blaming John for her drinking, right, And.

822
00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:16.840
<v Speaker 2>Then that's so very true. That's so true what Tamra says.

823
00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:21.000
<v Speaker 2>It's just what happens in the next scene is madness.

824
00:42:21.400 --> 00:42:21.599
<v Speaker 1>Right.

825
00:42:21.880 --> 00:42:24.320
<v Speaker 2>But I understand. I'm glad you actually brought that up,

826
00:42:24.320 --> 00:42:27.000
<v Speaker 2>because yeah, it does make it make a little more

827
00:42:27.039 --> 00:42:31.079
<v Speaker 2>sense when we get to that, which is okay, let's

828
00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:31.679
<v Speaker 2>get to this scene.

829
00:42:31.719 --> 00:42:34.079
<v Speaker 1>So Gina's throwing like a cocktail party.

830
00:42:33.960 --> 00:42:36.360
<v Speaker 2>Which I think is weird. I'm not sure. I don't

831
00:42:36.400 --> 00:42:41.519
<v Speaker 2>think Gina doesn't drink. I really don't. You right, Yeah,

832
00:42:41.880 --> 00:42:43.840
<v Speaker 2>she does drink. I mean she doesn't drink and drive

833
00:42:43.880 --> 00:42:48.880
<v Speaker 2>anymore interesting, Okay, But I don't think she's totally sober.

834
00:42:49.239 --> 00:42:51.199
<v Speaker 2>Maybe she is, I you know what, we should probably

835
00:42:51.199 --> 00:42:54.519
<v Speaker 2>know that. But I why would she throw this and

836
00:42:54.760 --> 00:42:55.440
<v Speaker 2>the guy comes out?

837
00:42:55.559 --> 00:42:58.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and she doesn't ever really talk about like sobriety

838
00:42:58.400 --> 00:43:01.400
<v Speaker 1>or talk about not drinking. But here's another thing. I'll say,

839
00:43:01.840 --> 00:43:05.400
<v Speaker 1>it's very possible that Gina got a DUI and is

840
00:43:05.440 --> 00:43:08.400
<v Speaker 1>not an alcoholic. Like I believe that we talked about

841
00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:10.920
<v Speaker 1>this before. Gina could have been going through a really

842
00:43:10.960 --> 00:43:14.360
<v Speaker 1>hard time in her life and abusing alcohol and.

843
00:43:14.440 --> 00:43:17.000
<v Speaker 2>Or just not that day yet, that day where she

844
00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:18.920
<v Speaker 2>was doing a bunch of stuff and went to like

845
00:43:18.960 --> 00:43:23.320
<v Speaker 2>some weird afternoon event and had two or three glasses

846
00:43:23.400 --> 00:43:25.079
<v Speaker 2>rather than one, and that was it.

847
00:43:25.679 --> 00:43:28.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And the big a big difference though to me

848
00:43:29.480 --> 00:43:33.960
<v Speaker 1>from where I sit, is that Shannon has been having

849
00:43:34.280 --> 00:43:37.400
<v Speaker 1>horrible problems with getting drunk and like freaking out on

850
00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:40.960
<v Speaker 1>people for years and years and years totally. So there

851
00:43:41.079 --> 00:43:43.440
<v Speaker 1>is to me a really big difference. And I think

852
00:43:43.480 --> 00:43:46.400
<v Speaker 1>that Gina and it makes more sense now that I

853
00:43:46.400 --> 00:43:48.760
<v Speaker 1>think about it, if she drinks. That's why Gina is

854
00:43:48.760 --> 00:43:51.880
<v Speaker 1>always so so careful not to judge, because you know

855
00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:54.840
<v Speaker 1>she's like, well, I drink. I mean, it's very possible

856
00:43:54.920 --> 00:43:57.480
<v Speaker 1>that she's not an alcoholic. I guess, like I don't

857
00:43:57.480 --> 00:43:58.519
<v Speaker 1>know her that well.

858
00:43:59.400 --> 00:44:01.360
<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm saying, saying and so, but it's also

859
00:44:01.480 --> 00:44:03.440
<v Speaker 2>hard I have to say. I mean, Chanton can quit

860
00:44:03.480 --> 00:44:05.920
<v Speaker 2>the show, I guess, but every it's like producers are

861
00:44:05.960 --> 00:44:10.159
<v Speaker 2>making it impossible for her because everything is really about drink.

862
00:44:10.159 --> 00:44:12.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's that's an excuse. I fully disagree

863
00:44:12.960 --> 00:44:17.039
<v Speaker 1>with that. She is a grown woman. Kyle quit drinking

864
00:44:18.079 --> 00:44:21.119
<v Speaker 1>good on me on Beverly Hills. And although it wasn't

865
00:44:21.119 --> 00:44:23.800
<v Speaker 1>complaining about like oh my gosh, their mate, they're forcing

866
00:44:23.840 --> 00:44:26.599
<v Speaker 1>me to drink. I will say this, you're right to.

867
00:44:26.760 --> 00:44:27.480
<v Speaker 1>I agree with you.

868
00:44:27.559 --> 00:44:30.559
<v Speaker 2>But I do think that the OC, in particular, and

869
00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:33.480
<v Speaker 2>similar to New York, it is so drink it's so

870
00:44:33.719 --> 00:44:37.400
<v Speaker 2>drink heavy. They're such big partiers, whereas in Beverly Hills,

871
00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:40.920
<v Speaker 2>so it's Beverly Hills. Well, I guess, just what's her face, Sutton,

872
00:44:41.239 --> 00:44:43.400
<v Speaker 2>because like when it's somebody who, by the way, is

873
00:44:43.400 --> 00:44:46.719
<v Speaker 2>like inserting herself in this show as well. Sutton's really

874
00:44:46.760 --> 00:44:49.239
<v Speaker 2>the one you look at and you go okay, compared

875
00:44:49.239 --> 00:44:50.239
<v Speaker 2>to the others, she doesn't.

876
00:44:50.639 --> 00:44:53.719
<v Speaker 1>I would say every single event they do at Beverly Hills,

877
00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:56.679
<v Speaker 1>they're drinking. You don't have to drink. I mean, you

878
00:44:56.719 --> 00:45:00.519
<v Speaker 1>saw with Alexis and Tamra they got to and they

879
00:45:00.519 --> 00:45:02.800
<v Speaker 1>were as she made a joke that like, oh, we're

880
00:45:02.840 --> 00:45:05.400
<v Speaker 1>just getting together for to eat cheese and drink diet coke.

881
00:45:05.800 --> 00:45:11.840
<v Speaker 1>M yeah, I mean it's because Shannon's not doing any work,

882
00:45:12.599 --> 00:45:16.320
<v Speaker 1>actual work on herself of like seeing her part in anything.

883
00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:19.119
<v Speaker 2>Well, she's not even I was gonna say she's like

884
00:45:19.159 --> 00:45:21.639
<v Speaker 2>a dry drunk, but she's not even dry. She's still

885
00:45:21.719 --> 00:45:24.880
<v Speaker 2>she drank at this event, right, She's You're so right

886
00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:28.000
<v Speaker 2>because she it's so bad whatever she's going through her

887
00:45:28.320 --> 00:45:32.639
<v Speaker 2>issue is so awful or so bad that she can't

888
00:45:32.719 --> 00:45:35.119
<v Speaker 2>even pretend. She can't even go to a thing and

889
00:45:35.119 --> 00:45:36.800
<v Speaker 2>not drink for a couple hours.

890
00:45:37.039 --> 00:45:38.000
<v Speaker 1>Well that's the thing.

891
00:45:38.159 --> 00:45:40.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, good point, because if that's what she's doing

892
00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:43.920
<v Speaker 2>on camera, then it's still really fucked up.

893
00:45:44.400 --> 00:45:48.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, how do you not just go like Optics, like,

894
00:45:49.719 --> 00:45:51.280
<v Speaker 1>you know if you're like, I don't know. I'm still

895
00:45:51.280 --> 00:45:54.159
<v Speaker 1>struggling with this. But this is the thing with all

896
00:45:54.239 --> 00:45:58.000
<v Speaker 1>of these women Optics. Like earlier in the episode, something

897
00:45:58.000 --> 00:46:00.239
<v Speaker 1>that we kind of skipped over was they were sort

898
00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:03.400
<v Speaker 1>of saying about how Jen was wearing is wearing a

899
00:46:03.480 --> 00:46:07.880
<v Speaker 1>Rolex and I do understand that. You're like you owe

900
00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:11.519
<v Speaker 1>all these people money. Yep, how do you not just

901
00:46:11.559 --> 00:46:15.400
<v Speaker 1>go like, maybe wearing a Rolex around isn't my best look,

902
00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:18.400
<v Speaker 1>you sell the rolex and pay your shit well, And

903
00:46:18.440 --> 00:46:20.679
<v Speaker 1>that's what they're saying, and then we go, oh, they're

904
00:46:20.719 --> 00:46:25.119
<v Speaker 1>so judgmental. It's like, but but but what how does

905
00:46:25.280 --> 00:46:26.960
<v Speaker 1>how does that not occur to you? Like I'm just

906
00:46:26.960 --> 00:46:30.239
<v Speaker 1>walking around of the rolex like in your face. I

907
00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:33.119
<v Speaker 1>don't give a fuck. I don't pay my bills because

908
00:46:33.159 --> 00:46:36.559
<v Speaker 1>I can't because my husband was giving me money. I

909
00:46:36.559 --> 00:46:38.920
<v Speaker 1>don't under I just I don't understand. I don't understand

910
00:46:38.920 --> 00:46:42.639
<v Speaker 1>why Shannon wouldn't be like maybe I just won't drink right, No,

911
00:46:42.800 --> 00:46:44.880
<v Speaker 1>You're in front of all these people when I just

912
00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:46.920
<v Speaker 1>when I'm anyway.

913
00:46:47.360 --> 00:46:49.920
<v Speaker 2>It's so funny because we come into every episode like

914
00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:52.480
<v Speaker 2>I when we take notes, whatever, and I'm ready to go,

915
00:46:52.599 --> 00:46:54.639
<v Speaker 2>like we're ready to be really funny, like that's what

916
00:46:54.679 --> 00:46:56.400
<v Speaker 2>we come into it. But then we get we both

917
00:46:56.400 --> 00:46:59.679
<v Speaker 2>get so serious, which I kind of love. I love

918
00:46:59.679 --> 00:47:02.480
<v Speaker 2>about you like having these conversations. I hope people like

919
00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:05.639
<v Speaker 2>this because we go deep into their psyche. I mean,

920
00:47:05.719 --> 00:47:07.920
<v Speaker 2>I like, I come into it like with all these

921
00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:10.440
<v Speaker 2>like oh, this is LiOH, this will be funny, but

922
00:47:10.519 --> 00:47:14.320
<v Speaker 2>then I'm just having these really serious conversations about Shannon's

923
00:47:14.360 --> 00:47:15.000
<v Speaker 2>mental health.

924
00:47:15.440 --> 00:47:20.079
<v Speaker 1>Well it's hard because you know, as somebody who doesn't drink,

925
00:47:20.840 --> 00:47:23.320
<v Speaker 1>but who took a really long time to realize that

926
00:47:23.360 --> 00:47:26.639
<v Speaker 1>I shouldn't be drinking. So I understand because I have

927
00:47:26.840 --> 00:47:30.320
<v Speaker 1>been Shannon in the like, but it's not I think

928
00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:32.639
<v Speaker 1>it's just this. I think it's just that stress. I

929
00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:34.320
<v Speaker 1>think it was just like being a mom. I think

930
00:47:34.360 --> 00:47:36.840
<v Speaker 1>it's just you know, and you want to blame everything

931
00:47:36.880 --> 00:47:39.559
<v Speaker 1>else because you do want to be able to drink because.

932
00:47:39.280 --> 00:47:41.239
<v Speaker 2>You see your friends, you see everyone else be able

933
00:47:41.239 --> 00:47:43.480
<v Speaker 2>to handle having one or two drinks, and they're fine

934
00:47:44.320 --> 00:47:47.800
<v Speaker 2>usually ish, rightish, not all of them.

935
00:47:48.239 --> 00:47:52.480
<v Speaker 1>But I just think that Shannon has been so awful

936
00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:55.440
<v Speaker 1>in so many scenes that it's really hard to like

937
00:47:56.039 --> 00:47:59.159
<v Speaker 1>it's like the Boy who Cried Wolf. It's like, okay, yeah,

938
00:47:59.239 --> 00:48:01.639
<v Speaker 1>you just keep it, insisting that it's just everybody else,

939
00:48:01.880 --> 00:48:02.920
<v Speaker 1>that everybody's just mean.

940
00:48:03.519 --> 00:48:05.239
<v Speaker 2>You know who I relate to. You relate to Shannon

941
00:48:05.280 --> 00:48:06.800
<v Speaker 2>in that way. I relate to Shane in a lot

942
00:48:06.800 --> 00:48:07.159
<v Speaker 2>of ways.

943
00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:07.719
<v Speaker 1>I know.

944
00:48:08.440 --> 00:48:10.159
<v Speaker 2>You know that because I just, you know, I kind

945
00:48:10.159 --> 00:48:13.840
<v Speaker 2>of failed the bar and I you know, I'm short.

946
00:48:13.719 --> 00:48:15.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you do all of the work around your.

947
00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:18.840
<v Speaker 2>House, and I mean I loved I love some fries,

948
00:48:18.880 --> 00:48:21.199
<v Speaker 2>and I take care of the kids. Yeah, yeah, I

949
00:48:21.320 --> 00:48:23.559
<v Speaker 2>just I mean, I'm really attracted to Emily.

950
00:48:23.880 --> 00:48:27.199
<v Speaker 1>So if I couldn't, I thought I couldn't dislike somebody

951
00:48:27.239 --> 00:48:31.480
<v Speaker 1>more than Shannon. And then Vicky came along. So Vicky's

952
00:48:31.599 --> 00:48:34.159
<v Speaker 1>just like, you can have a drink. You're not driving,

953
00:48:34.239 --> 00:48:36.519
<v Speaker 1>You can have a drink, have a drink. Why wouldn't

954
00:48:36.519 --> 00:48:38.480
<v Speaker 1>you have a drink you're not driving. They can't tell

955
00:48:38.519 --> 00:48:42.079
<v Speaker 1>you can't have a drink. That was fucking insane. So

956
00:48:42.119 --> 00:48:42.639
<v Speaker 1>here we are.

957
00:48:42.679 --> 00:48:45.360
<v Speaker 2>So Heather's mad by the way that there's no seating chart,

958
00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:47.800
<v Speaker 2>which I kind of understood. I was actually team Heather

959
00:48:47.880 --> 00:48:49.519
<v Speaker 2>on that one too. It's like, please don't make all

960
00:48:49.559 --> 00:48:51.920
<v Speaker 2>the terrible people sit next to each other. Right, She

961
00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:53.159
<v Speaker 2>had such a good point.

962
00:48:53.239 --> 00:48:55.079
<v Speaker 1>She was just like, oh my god, there's so many

963
00:48:55.119 --> 00:48:57.920
<v Speaker 1>people that can't be seated next to each other's. She

964
00:48:58.000 --> 00:49:03.400
<v Speaker 1>can't sit next to Katie, Jen can't sit next to

965
00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:10.079
<v Speaker 1>Emily or Gina, right or Gina. There's so many people

966
00:49:10.119 --> 00:49:12.320
<v Speaker 1>that can't sit next to each other. Shannon can't sit

967
00:49:12.360 --> 00:49:16.039
<v Speaker 1>next to Alexis. So there's only certain people that can

968
00:49:16.079 --> 00:49:18.119
<v Speaker 1>be like next to each other, right, But it was

969
00:49:18.159 --> 00:49:20.159
<v Speaker 1>just impossible. So it all begins.

970
00:49:20.239 --> 00:49:23.599
<v Speaker 2>Alexis confronts Katie about the golf event, but that doesn't

971
00:49:23.599 --> 00:49:24.039
<v Speaker 2>go anywhere.

972
00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:28.440
<v Speaker 1>Kittie's like, yeah, sorry, yeah to try Lexi sexy Lexi

973
00:49:28.679 --> 00:49:33.039
<v Speaker 1>didn't work out. No, So then so Tamra so Vicki's like,

974
00:49:33.079 --> 00:49:34.480
<v Speaker 1>you can have a drink. You can have a drink,

975
00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:38.079
<v Speaker 1>you're not driving, and Tamar goes she doesn't need permission.

976
00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:41.320
<v Speaker 1>That okay, this is where it begins. So Tamra's like,

977
00:49:41.400 --> 00:49:44.639
<v Speaker 1>she's at alcohol, shut alcohol, at shed drink. Well no,

978
00:49:44.760 --> 00:49:47.840
<v Speaker 1>first she just goes she doesn't need permission. Camera's basically

979
00:49:47.880 --> 00:49:50.559
<v Speaker 1>going like she's a big girl. She can decide to

980
00:49:50.599 --> 00:49:52.159
<v Speaker 1>drink or not drink. On her own. She doesn't need

981
00:49:52.199 --> 00:49:55.920
<v Speaker 1>your permission. And then Shannon's all, I'll have a belvetere

982
00:49:55.960 --> 00:49:59.719
<v Speaker 1>in soda. What are they trying to prove, bitch? It

983
00:49:59.840 --> 00:50:03.079
<v Speaker 1>was so that was so cringey, and then goes down

984
00:50:03.159 --> 00:50:06.480
<v Speaker 1>the rails. Yeah. So then Vicky is just keeps I

985
00:50:06.480 --> 00:50:09.519
<v Speaker 1>don't know why Vicky thinks that she needs she already

986
00:50:09.599 --> 00:50:12.679
<v Speaker 1>ordered the drink. Move on. She's like, yeah, you can

987
00:50:12.760 --> 00:50:14.880
<v Speaker 1>have it, you can have it. You're not driving. Yeah,

988
00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:17.920
<v Speaker 1>And then that's when Tamer goes, oh, yeah, an alcoholic

989
00:50:17.960 --> 00:50:20.159
<v Speaker 1>should drink, great idea, and everyone.

990
00:50:20.239 --> 00:50:22.920
<v Speaker 2>She's saying that, but she's saying that as she's sipping

991
00:50:23.000 --> 00:50:26.119
<v Speaker 2>her martini, which is not her first martini. Of that scene,

992
00:50:26.599 --> 00:50:29.599
<v Speaker 2>I'm a guarantee she's definitely like drunk and dead behind

993
00:50:29.639 --> 00:50:32.800
<v Speaker 2>the eyes. So, I mean, it's just like the Messenger

994
00:50:32.880 --> 00:50:37.400
<v Speaker 2>isn't great here a drunken lady who might have her

995
00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:38.639
<v Speaker 2>own whatever issues.

996
00:50:38.800 --> 00:50:42.119
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, no, it's like there's no heroes right.

997
00:50:42.400 --> 00:50:45.239
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god. She was so horror She's just horrendous.

998
00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:48.719
<v Speaker 2>And even Alexis in this moment looked like she had

999
00:50:48.719 --> 00:50:51.880
<v Speaker 2>some a little bit of empathy for Shannon. She everyone

1000
00:50:51.960 --> 00:50:55.519
<v Speaker 2>shut up, you know, it shows everyone like gasping, basically,

1001
00:50:55.800 --> 00:50:58.159
<v Speaker 2>but even Alexis look like I don't really like that.

1002
00:50:58.760 --> 00:51:00.480
<v Speaker 2>I shouldn't say it, but I don't. I had a

1003
00:51:00.519 --> 00:51:02.840
<v Speaker 2>moment with Alexus where I was like, Okay, she looked

1004
00:51:02.840 --> 00:51:03.559
<v Speaker 2>like a human there.

1005
00:51:04.280 --> 00:51:09.320
<v Speaker 1>But Vicky just doesn't understand anything about alcoholism. So Vicky's

1006
00:51:09.360 --> 00:51:12.440
<v Speaker 1>just like doubling down. Well, she can drink, she just

1007
00:51:12.480 --> 00:51:16.079
<v Speaker 1>can't get behind the wheel ever, ever, ever, ever, unless

1008
00:51:16.159 --> 00:51:18.559
<v Speaker 1>Jesus is her co pilot, that's the only time she

1009
00:51:18.559 --> 00:51:20.760
<v Speaker 1>could get behind the wheel if she's had something to drink,

1010
00:51:20.800 --> 00:51:22.079
<v Speaker 1>if Jesus driving.

1011
00:51:21.840 --> 00:51:24.960
<v Speaker 2>Could you possibly I can't imagine putting worse people in

1012
00:51:25.159 --> 00:51:26.159
<v Speaker 2>one big cast.

1013
00:51:26.280 --> 00:51:28.119
<v Speaker 1>It is why you checked out of the OC when

1014
00:51:28.119 --> 00:51:29.679
<v Speaker 1>you did. Yeah, And I don't blame you.

1015
00:51:29.719 --> 00:51:32.039
<v Speaker 2>I mean that Vicky is just every time I think

1016
00:51:32.119 --> 00:51:34.440
<v Speaker 2>it's the worst, then Vicky, you're right, Vicky comes along

1017
00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:36.119
<v Speaker 2>and it's just like, oh yeah, yeah, she could you.

1018
00:51:36.039 --> 00:51:39.800
<v Speaker 1>Could get worse. Vicky's like, hold my velvetere and soda. Yeah,

1019
00:51:40.039 --> 00:51:40.760
<v Speaker 1>so they're all fighting.

1020
00:51:40.880 --> 00:51:43.719
<v Speaker 2>Gina says something she I just read. She speaks the truth.

1021
00:51:44.119 --> 00:51:46.800
<v Speaker 2>She says something at some point I don't remember exactly what.

1022
00:51:46.840 --> 00:51:49.199
<v Speaker 1>Hamamer is like, well, do you believe she doesn't have

1023
00:51:49.199 --> 00:51:52.840
<v Speaker 1>a drinking problem. And then Shannon starts to go like,

1024
00:51:53.440 --> 00:51:55.840
<v Speaker 1>you've been on this path for ten years with me,

1025
00:51:55.960 --> 00:52:00.320
<v Speaker 1>and Tambor goes, everybody has right and then Sheannon goes, oh,

1026
00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:03.039
<v Speaker 1>may to you the judge and jury every day I

1027
00:52:03.079 --> 00:52:05.599
<v Speaker 1>think about what happened. And Tamra goes, oh, is that

1028
00:52:05.679 --> 00:52:08.360
<v Speaker 1>after you have a drink? And then they go to

1029
00:52:08.400 --> 00:52:11.000
<v Speaker 1>commercial and one of the commercials that I had was

1030
00:52:11.039 --> 00:52:16.119
<v Speaker 1>for Gray Goose, which I just was like wow. And

1031
00:52:16.119 --> 00:52:22.079
<v Speaker 1>then Emily goes, Okay, I think she's changed. What how

1032
00:52:22.119 --> 00:52:25.320
<v Speaker 1>the fuck would you know? Emily? That's crazy? And then

1033
00:52:25.360 --> 00:52:27.639
<v Speaker 1>Gina goes, I think she's done a good job working

1034
00:52:27.719 --> 00:52:28.239
<v Speaker 1>on herself.

1035
00:52:28.320 --> 00:52:31.039
<v Speaker 2>I think she's really worked on But they're trying, because

1036
00:52:31.079 --> 00:52:34.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, they're watching somebody just be taken down. Who's

1037
00:52:34.880 --> 00:52:37.880
<v Speaker 2>not the worst person that Shannon's We wouldn't want to

1038
00:52:37.920 --> 00:52:38.760
<v Speaker 2>be friends with Shannon.

1039
00:52:38.800 --> 00:52:44.239
<v Speaker 1>But she's not, like she's not a that a mean person. No,

1040
00:52:44.320 --> 00:52:47.360
<v Speaker 1>she's not, you know, rubs some people the wrong way.

1041
00:52:47.800 --> 00:52:50.239
<v Speaker 2>Well then so Tama throws in the facelift and John

1042
00:52:50.320 --> 00:52:53.840
<v Speaker 2>Jansen and she's just every first, Shannon goes, you know what,

1043
00:52:54.159 --> 00:52:56.599
<v Speaker 2>you know what Tamra, let's look at your drinking.

1044
00:52:57.280 --> 00:53:00.880
<v Speaker 1>You went Dan to wait at Nobu and goes, so, what,

1045
00:53:01.519 --> 00:53:03.679
<v Speaker 1>there's a big difference between drinking and having a good

1046
00:53:03.679 --> 00:53:05.119
<v Speaker 1>time and being an alcoholic.

1047
00:53:05.800 --> 00:53:07.719
<v Speaker 2>So but like Tamra is also an alcoholic.

1048
00:53:07.880 --> 00:53:10.599
<v Speaker 1>Yes, but and then Gina goes, how do you feel

1049
00:53:10.639 --> 00:53:14.039
<v Speaker 1>about all this, Vicky? And then Vicky goes, I think

1050
00:53:14.039 --> 00:53:17.840
<v Speaker 1>it's disgusting. I am fighting discussed but also didn't even love.

1051
00:53:17.920 --> 00:53:20.079
<v Speaker 2>I did love this Jen Katie moment where they were

1052
00:53:20.079 --> 00:53:21.840
<v Speaker 2>like the muppets, those guys and the muppets that sit

1053
00:53:21.880 --> 00:53:24.519
<v Speaker 2>in the balcony. Yes, so they were just like commented,

1054
00:53:24.559 --> 00:53:26.880
<v Speaker 2>they were out of the they were not in the fight,

1055
00:53:27.039 --> 00:53:29.880
<v Speaker 2>but they were just had such great little comments.

1056
00:53:30.239 --> 00:53:32.920
<v Speaker 1>Was this the part where they were like she looks great.

1057
00:53:33.039 --> 00:53:34.320
<v Speaker 2>Ah, she does look at the face.

1058
00:53:34.400 --> 00:53:36.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was the facelift and she's like, oh, that

1059
00:53:36.239 --> 00:53:38.360
<v Speaker 1>comes up. That comes up a little a little later

1060
00:53:38.400 --> 00:53:40.760
<v Speaker 1>because I really wrote down everything that people were saying

1061
00:53:40.840 --> 00:53:43.800
<v Speaker 1>during this part because then because then Vicky goes that

1062
00:53:43.880 --> 00:53:46.199
<v Speaker 1>all this fighting is disgusting, and then Emily goes, but

1063
00:53:46.280 --> 00:53:51.480
<v Speaker 1>you start fights all the time, and then Tamra is like, oh,

1064
00:53:51.559 --> 00:53:53.679
<v Speaker 1>then they start talking about the fact that like, Tamra

1065
00:53:53.840 --> 00:53:57.599
<v Speaker 1>kind of unfriended Shannon and Vicki, and then Tamra's like,

1066
00:53:57.639 --> 00:54:00.400
<v Speaker 1>I am loyal, but I They're start talking about who

1067
00:54:00.440 --> 00:54:01.679
<v Speaker 1>would be good on Traders.

1068
00:54:02.480 --> 00:54:05.199
<v Speaker 2>Oh God, that was such like weird advertisement for that.

1069
00:54:06.199 --> 00:54:10.679
<v Speaker 1>Yes. So then but then Tama's like, she needed to

1070
00:54:10.719 --> 00:54:14.400
<v Speaker 1>go to rehab, and Vicky goes, she did go to rehab,

1071
00:54:14.679 --> 00:54:17.360
<v Speaker 1>and then Tamer goes, she went to No, she went

1072
00:54:17.400 --> 00:54:20.199
<v Speaker 1>to like therapy to find out why she dates bad guys,

1073
00:54:20.800 --> 00:54:24.679
<v Speaker 1>and then alexis. Then Alexis laughs because they're basically making

1074
00:54:24.719 --> 00:54:28.880
<v Speaker 1>a John Jansen reference, right, So then Shannon goes, this

1075
00:54:28.960 --> 00:54:32.559
<v Speaker 1>has to stop. I've had two conversations with you about this,

1076
00:54:32.639 --> 00:54:35.840
<v Speaker 1>and Tamer goes, yeah, and you were drunk every time, and.

1077
00:54:35.599 --> 00:54:38.880
<v Speaker 2>As Tama's drunk, like falling over drunk basically, and then

1078
00:54:38.880 --> 00:54:39.599
<v Speaker 2>Shannon's like.

1079
00:54:39.880 --> 00:54:44.639
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't even drink in my program, and Tamra goes, lie, lie, Lie,

1080
00:54:44.840 --> 00:54:47.559
<v Speaker 1>lie lie, which I don't I don't know how that's

1081
00:54:47.599 --> 00:54:50.239
<v Speaker 1>a lie. I don't know. I think she was drinking

1082
00:54:50.280 --> 00:54:50.920
<v Speaker 1>in rehab.

1083
00:54:52.199 --> 00:54:54.760
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I don't know if what really was

1084
00:54:54.880 --> 00:54:57.199
<v Speaker 2>rehab or just kind of a getaway.

1085
00:54:57.599 --> 00:55:00.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she also might not have been away for thirty days,

1086
00:55:00.599 --> 00:55:04.960
<v Speaker 1>she might have just been in doing outpatient probably that's what.

1087
00:55:04.920 --> 00:55:07.840
<v Speaker 2>I would imagine. So then so Shannon storms out and

1088
00:55:07.880 --> 00:55:09.559
<v Speaker 2>this made me laugh. I do want to say this

1089
00:55:09.559 --> 00:55:12.079
<v Speaker 2>because Shannon's done this before and I always notice it.

1090
00:55:12.599 --> 00:55:14.559
<v Speaker 2>She storms out, and then Jen goes out to see

1091
00:55:14.559 --> 00:55:17.760
<v Speaker 2>if she's okay, and Shannon says, She's like, I'm just

1092
00:55:17.840 --> 00:55:20.000
<v Speaker 2>really hurt that nobody came out to see if I

1093
00:55:20.039 --> 00:55:24.400
<v Speaker 2>was okay, and Jenn's like, uh here, yeah, like but you.

1094
00:55:24.360 --> 00:55:28.079
<v Speaker 1>Don't matter, You're nothing right, like an og right. But

1095
00:55:28.159 --> 00:55:32.679
<v Speaker 1>then Jen makes things like ten times worse because Jen's like, yeah,

1096
00:55:32.760 --> 00:55:35.119
<v Speaker 1>I came here to basically tell you that the women

1097
00:55:35.119 --> 00:55:38.239
<v Speaker 1>are showing all these receipts for the wire transfers, and

1098
00:55:38.320 --> 00:55:41.840
<v Speaker 1>you did get seventy five thousand. Why would you come

1099
00:55:41.960 --> 00:55:44.440
<v Speaker 1>out there to tell her that? And then Shannon goes,

1100
00:55:44.679 --> 00:55:47.599
<v Speaker 1>it was sixty five thousand, it was thirty thousand, and

1101
00:55:47.639 --> 00:55:50.840
<v Speaker 1>then another thirty five, So then she basically admits it.

1102
00:55:50.920 --> 00:55:54.559
<v Speaker 1>She knows that right, and then Shannon Shannon to camera

1103
00:55:55.039 --> 00:55:59.440
<v Speaker 1>is like, Alexis has canceled checks, what is she on dateline?

1104
00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:05.039
<v Speaker 1>She better save those receipts? Well, girls, she did what

1105
00:56:05.079 --> 00:56:07.679
<v Speaker 1>do you mean she better saved those receipts. She saved

1106
00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:09.960
<v Speaker 1>the receipts. She's out in the restaurant showing them to

1107
00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:10.679
<v Speaker 1>people right.

1108
00:56:10.559 --> 00:56:13.280
<v Speaker 2>Now, right, So when they go back into the restaurant,

1109
00:56:13.280 --> 00:56:14.599
<v Speaker 2>alexis just out of control.

1110
00:56:14.800 --> 00:56:18.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh wait lately, okay, But then then Shannon is still

1111
00:56:18.440 --> 00:56:21.360
<v Speaker 1>talking to the producer and she's like, John's a monster

1112
00:56:21.800 --> 00:56:24.760
<v Speaker 1>and I could put out stuff about him, and the

1113
00:56:24.079 --> 00:56:27.880
<v Speaker 1>producer goes like what she goes, well, I can't say

1114
00:56:27.880 --> 00:56:30.559
<v Speaker 1>because he'll sue me. But she might not be wrong

1115
00:56:30.599 --> 00:56:30.920
<v Speaker 1>about that.

1116
00:56:30.960 --> 00:56:33.880
<v Speaker 2>I thought about that, and I was thinking, like, Okay,

1117
00:56:33.920 --> 00:56:37.400
<v Speaker 2>well maybe she's you know, if it's true, he can't

1118
00:56:37.400 --> 00:56:40.360
<v Speaker 2>sue her. If there's something, if she has actual receipts,

1119
00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:43.079
<v Speaker 2>then he can't, right, But yeah, that was funny. The

1120
00:56:43.079 --> 00:56:44.960
<v Speaker 2>producer kind of call was like, Okay, I will show it,

1121
00:56:45.079 --> 00:56:48.679
<v Speaker 2>tell us now's the time. Yeah, yeah, but I think

1122
00:56:48.679 --> 00:56:50.480
<v Speaker 2>he's got stuff on her too.

1123
00:56:50.159 --> 00:56:51.239
<v Speaker 1>Who knows.

1124
00:56:51.480 --> 00:56:53.480
<v Speaker 2>It could be like all kinds of weird racist things

1125
00:56:53.519 --> 00:56:55.400
<v Speaker 2>that they said jokes, Who know, like, it could be

1126
00:56:55.480 --> 00:56:58.239
<v Speaker 2>anything that you got to be careful of the other person.

1127
00:56:58.239 --> 00:57:00.519
<v Speaker 2>And I think they're playing that they're dancing. But what

1128
00:57:00.559 --> 00:57:02.960
<v Speaker 2>we do know is that she owes John Jansen money.

1129
00:57:03.159 --> 00:57:06.760
<v Speaker 2>There's no questions, Yes, there is no question and so

1130
00:57:07.079 --> 00:57:09.599
<v Speaker 2>but Alexis is like going wild to the point that

1131
00:57:09.639 --> 00:57:12.639
<v Speaker 2>even Emily is like, you're being a little aggressive. Yeah,

1132
00:57:12.639 --> 00:57:15.719
<v Speaker 2>this guy from Emily, I'm scuse she's not eating a

1133
00:57:15.760 --> 00:57:18.960
<v Speaker 2>sandwich for you're a little work.

1134
00:57:19.519 --> 00:57:24.559
<v Speaker 1>Well, so okay. So Vicky is saying to Tamra that

1135
00:57:24.639 --> 00:57:27.119
<v Speaker 1>girl needs a hug and she needs to know that

1136
00:57:27.159 --> 00:57:29.880
<v Speaker 1>the DUI won't be a label on her. And then

1137
00:57:29.920 --> 00:57:32.559
<v Speaker 1>Tamer's like, I'm not going to enable her, Like Tamras

1138
00:57:32.639 --> 00:57:35.760
<v Speaker 1>is done, and then Vicky goes, I'm not enabling her

1139
00:57:35.800 --> 00:57:38.599
<v Speaker 1>at all, Yes, you are. You fucking just tried to

1140
00:57:38.639 --> 00:57:40.760
<v Speaker 1>convince her to drink. You did convince her to drink.

1141
00:57:41.119 --> 00:57:46.760
<v Speaker 1>How it's the opposite. She's of course enabling her. Vicky's ridiculous.

1142
00:57:46.920 --> 00:57:49.360
<v Speaker 1>Vicky's going, you can drink, you can drink. Why can't

1143
00:57:49.400 --> 00:57:52.480
<v Speaker 1>you drink? You're not driving, you can drink. That's not enabling.

1144
00:57:52.719 --> 00:57:55.360
<v Speaker 1>So Tamer goes, she needs to quit drinking or I'm

1145
00:57:55.360 --> 00:57:58.800
<v Speaker 1>done with this relationship. Bitch, You're already done with the relationship,

1146
00:58:00.079 --> 00:58:01.199
<v Speaker 1>and go back to Tamra.

1147
00:58:01.360 --> 00:58:04.880
<v Speaker 2>Even I would never trust her after like yelling about Okay,

1148
00:58:04.880 --> 00:58:07.679
<v Speaker 2>you're yelling about the alcoholism, you're trying a tough lover whatever,

1149
00:58:07.880 --> 00:58:12.079
<v Speaker 2>but then you're yelling at about everything. John Jansen, Yeah, like,

1150
00:58:12.400 --> 00:58:15.199
<v Speaker 2>I mean, she's being vile. I don't even know what

1151
00:58:15.280 --> 00:58:17.519
<v Speaker 2>kind of friendship could be salvage. They will, though, Shannon

1152
00:58:17.599 --> 00:58:20.440
<v Speaker 2>will come crawling back, I assure you, And because it

1153
00:58:20.480 --> 00:58:22.519
<v Speaker 2>happens every time, it's awful. But then this is the

1154
00:58:22.519 --> 00:58:23.880
<v Speaker 2>best part of the whole thing. You know what I'm

1155
00:58:23.880 --> 00:58:27.280
<v Speaker 2>going to talk about. So Vicky Vicky's sermon, the speech,

1156
00:58:27.440 --> 00:58:30.360
<v Speaker 2>this crazy sermon about Jesus. Then she points to everyone

1157
00:58:30.360 --> 00:58:32.599
<v Speaker 2>and she's like, you know Jesus, you know Jesus, you're

1158
00:58:32.639 --> 00:58:35.559
<v Speaker 2>all believers. And then it flashes Heather, who is Jewish,

1159
00:58:35.960 --> 00:58:39.679
<v Speaker 2>and then Katie, who is a Buddhist, and flash I

1160
00:58:39.760 --> 00:58:41.519
<v Speaker 2>got a screenshot, but then for some reason, my kid

1161
00:58:41.639 --> 00:58:43.760
<v Speaker 2>didn't take I thought I got this best screenshot of

1162
00:58:43.800 --> 00:58:45.639
<v Speaker 2>the like side eye of memory.

1163
00:58:46.119 --> 00:58:47.199
<v Speaker 1>Huh, Like they both look.

1164
00:58:47.599 --> 00:58:50.719
<v Speaker 2>Heather looks so annoyed in this conversation because she's like,

1165
00:58:50.800 --> 00:58:54.679
<v Speaker 2>you know Jesus, you know Jesus, you know Jesus, all

1166
00:58:54.719 --> 00:58:55.639
<v Speaker 2>of you know Jesus.

1167
00:58:56.400 --> 00:58:58.199
<v Speaker 1>Not well, no, not all of them.

1168
00:58:58.320 --> 00:59:02.320
<v Speaker 2>Then Heather, by the way, I think she's made a

1169
00:59:02.360 --> 00:59:05.519
<v Speaker 2>whole thing because Shane is Mormon. Oh okay, and so

1170
00:59:05.599 --> 00:59:07.559
<v Speaker 2>they had they had a tough time at the beginning

1171
00:59:07.559 --> 00:59:11.119
<v Speaker 2>of their relationship because she was agnostic and still sort

1172
00:59:11.119 --> 00:59:15.079
<v Speaker 2>of struggles with religion, and Shane is of course, Shane

1173
00:59:15.159 --> 00:59:19.199
<v Speaker 2>is Mormon, of course, of course. Actually no, shockingly, because

1174
00:59:19.239 --> 00:59:22.320
<v Speaker 2>Mormons are usually really hot. You know that, I have

1175
00:59:22.360 --> 00:59:24.559
<v Speaker 2>like a crush on a lot of Mormons. I'm not

1176
00:59:24.599 --> 00:59:27.599
<v Speaker 2>even joking this up where people look it's no, but

1177
00:59:27.639 --> 00:59:29.039
<v Speaker 2>it's a very it's a hot.

1178
00:59:29.159 --> 00:59:30.039
<v Speaker 1>They're hot to meet.

1179
00:59:30.119 --> 00:59:32.039
<v Speaker 2>And Shane I don't know how he got in there,

1180
00:59:32.719 --> 00:59:34.760
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, all three of those. So you have Heather,

1181
00:59:35.000 --> 00:59:37.960
<v Speaker 2>Katie and Emily going like, okay, calm down, Vicky.

1182
00:59:39.400 --> 00:59:41.800
<v Speaker 1>It's pretty funny though, because then Heather says to the

1183
00:59:41.840 --> 00:59:46.199
<v Speaker 1>camera to producers, Vicky claiming she's above it all is rich,

1184
00:59:46.400 --> 00:59:49.159
<v Speaker 1>and then Emily says it too, and she's like, please

1185
00:59:49.280 --> 00:59:52.239
<v Speaker 1>roll tape of Vicky being disgusting. That was really funny.

1186
00:59:52.239 --> 00:59:53.280
<v Speaker 1>I liked Emily in that moment.

1187
00:59:53.320 --> 00:59:55.280
<v Speaker 2>And then of course they do they really they rose

1188
00:59:55.320 --> 00:59:59.480
<v Speaker 2>to the occasion producers, and Vicky is literally the world

1189
00:59:59.480 --> 01:00:01.119
<v Speaker 2>I mean but is she the worst because you've got

1190
01:00:01.320 --> 01:00:04.679
<v Speaker 2>Chilie Dolben somehow, Yeah, but she got Kelly Dodd was worse.

1191
01:00:04.800 --> 01:00:06.840
<v Speaker 2>Like every time you think it could be the worst

1192
01:00:06.840 --> 01:00:08.360
<v Speaker 2>person I've ever seen, they get worse.

1193
01:00:08.400 --> 01:00:12.119
<v Speaker 1>On this particular brand. Kickie was terrible. This is why

1194
01:00:12.119 --> 01:00:15.840
<v Speaker 1>she got fired. She's terrible, terrible, terrible.

1195
01:00:15.679 --> 01:00:20.280
<v Speaker 2>Also terrible to producers, like she was fighting with Andy Coke.

1196
01:00:20.360 --> 01:00:21.880
<v Speaker 2>This has happened a lot where it's like what do

1197
01:00:21.920 --> 01:00:23.480
<v Speaker 2>you do with the og? I think this happened a

1198
01:00:23.519 --> 01:00:27.639
<v Speaker 2>little with Teresa on you know Jersey. At some point

1199
01:00:27.639 --> 01:00:29.800
<v Speaker 2>they get like too big for the show, and they

1200
01:00:29.800 --> 01:00:32.760
<v Speaker 2>think that happened with Jacks, but then they come back

1201
01:00:32.920 --> 01:00:36.079
<v Speaker 2>every single time like Jack's you know, they fired him,

1202
01:00:36.079 --> 01:00:37.679
<v Speaker 2>you got to get off the show. He was talking,

1203
01:00:37.760 --> 01:00:40.039
<v Speaker 2>she was coked out and saying how amazing, and he

1204
01:00:40.159 --> 01:00:44.000
<v Speaker 2>runs the show and Andy's like, nope, you're out. But

1205
01:00:44.119 --> 01:00:45.880
<v Speaker 2>now he's got his own show around him.

1206
01:00:46.360 --> 01:00:46.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1207
01:00:46.599 --> 01:00:48.440
<v Speaker 2>So the same thing happened with Vicky where she got

1208
01:00:48.440 --> 01:00:51.079
<v Speaker 2>I mean, she's a friend quote unquote, but like she's

1209
01:00:51.159 --> 01:00:53.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, she's in it as much as she wants

1210
01:00:53.000 --> 01:00:55.639
<v Speaker 2>to be. I did end my notes with I love

1211
01:00:55.679 --> 01:00:58.320
<v Speaker 2>Emily now so I did want to say something possible, well.

1212
01:00:58.199 --> 01:01:02.199
<v Speaker 1>I had basically Vicky and yells to everybody she shouldn't

1213
01:01:02.280 --> 01:01:04.800
<v Speaker 1>drink and drive. But this is icky. We need to

1214
01:01:04.840 --> 01:01:10.760
<v Speaker 1>support women's right. And then Heather and Emily whispered to

1215
01:01:10.800 --> 01:01:14.599
<v Speaker 1>each other, which I thought was interesting that she, yes,

1216
01:01:14.639 --> 01:01:17.840
<v Speaker 1>Shannon is an alcoholic and she does need rehab and

1217
01:01:17.840 --> 01:01:21.400
<v Speaker 1>she shouldn't be drinking at all, but she looks amazing, Yeah,

1218
01:01:21.519 --> 01:01:22.920
<v Speaker 1>she goes, Yeah, she really does.

1219
01:01:23.280 --> 01:01:24.360
<v Speaker 2>She really does look good.

1220
01:01:24.480 --> 01:01:27.400
<v Speaker 1>She does look good. What is that? I don't know.

1221
01:01:28.039 --> 01:01:30.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean, not just that's the Heather, you know, married

1222
01:01:30.320 --> 01:01:32.440
<v Speaker 2>to a plastic surgeon, take.

1223
01:01:33.159 --> 01:01:38.559
<v Speaker 1>I think like the basically overall my feeling is that

1224
01:01:38.840 --> 01:01:41.599
<v Speaker 1>I don't like. I don't like the fact that Shannon

1225
01:01:41.679 --> 01:01:46.159
<v Speaker 1>clearly has a lot of problems with substances and she

1226
01:01:46.280 --> 01:01:49.960
<v Speaker 1>has so much drama. And my problem with it is like,

1227
01:01:50.079 --> 01:01:52.599
<v Speaker 1>that's fine and even if you want to drink, but

1228
01:01:52.719 --> 01:01:56.719
<v Speaker 1>you can't always expect everybody to like it. Can't always

1229
01:01:56.719 --> 01:01:59.440
<v Speaker 1>be like why isn't isn't everybody taking care of me

1230
01:01:59.840 --> 01:02:03.920
<v Speaker 1>and her whole thing? It's like it just bugs me dad, dad,

1231
01:02:04.400 --> 01:02:06.920
<v Speaker 1>my horrible ex. John Jensen says, I owe the money,

1232
01:02:07.119 --> 01:02:10.559
<v Speaker 1>Well do you. Well, in my mind, I don't like

1233
01:02:10.760 --> 01:02:13.079
<v Speaker 1>everything is like, who's going to take care of me?

1234
01:02:13.119 --> 01:02:14.400
<v Speaker 1>Who's going to solve this for me?

1235
01:02:14.639 --> 01:02:17.760
<v Speaker 2>There's almost always some someone on every you know, We've

1236
01:02:17.800 --> 01:02:20.519
<v Speaker 2>got Sutton in Beverly Hills. There's always someone except Jersey.

1237
01:02:20.559 --> 01:02:23.280
<v Speaker 2>I was racking my brain. There's no they don't have

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<v Speaker 2>any drinking.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean they drink, but they don't seem to have

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<v Speaker 2>like major Well, no, that's not true. There is one

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of drinks a lot and then throws glasses

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff, so that's something. No, So yeah, that proves

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<v Speaker 2>my point. There's always someone on every franchise that's like

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<v Speaker 2>really needs help. You're like, you're really what it's like

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01:02:38.719 --> 01:02:42.679
<v Speaker 2>you're watching Bad Girls Club meets like celebrity rehab in

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<v Speaker 2>a way, but not for intervention or something very responsible.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Sonya, I feel like could have died on

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<v Speaker 1>this show.

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<v Speaker 2>One hundred percent. That's why Bethany was losing her mind

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<v Speaker 2>about it. She was getting so mad. She was the Tamera.

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<v Speaker 2>Sonya has a lot of issues. She's had multiple DUI's like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't understand how like it's it's I mean, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>lou Anne is back to pretty bad, by the way.

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<v Speaker 2>She made a TikTok thing the other day. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>remember the TikTok thing. I made one where they do

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<v Speaker 2>they mouthed like, I'm looking for a man in finance.

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<v Speaker 1>You know that one?

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<v Speaker 2>Just fun? Yeah, five blue eyes. So she does it,

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<v Speaker 2>and so it's Countess Luanne. She's on a raft and

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<v Speaker 2>she's like, I'm looking for a man in finance.

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<v Speaker 1>She just says it. She doesn't mouth it.

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<v Speaker 2>You're supposed to just do She doesn't get that you're

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to just see if you can time it.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh huh.

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<v Speaker 2>She doesn't do that, and she's just like, look, she

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01:03:33.199 --> 01:03:35.440
<v Speaker 2>seems really drunk. Her eyes are like cross, she's like

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<v Speaker 2>in finance, just fun. She's wearing like a crazy hat.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm not sure she's doing so great. Yeah either,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I don't. It's just but you're right, it

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<v Speaker 2>is so irresponsible. That is exactly right, which is why

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<v Speaker 2>Leah McSweeney is suing. She doesn't have a case, but

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<v Speaker 2>she's suing for that exact thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, she's claiming that they were trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get hurt. She started drinking again though before she started

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<v Speaker 1>the show, Like I guess, right, I don't know. I

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01:04:06.480 --> 01:04:08.840
<v Speaker 1>think I'm trying not to be I'm really trying not

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01:04:08.920 --> 01:04:11.039
<v Speaker 1>to be judgmental, but I do know that a big

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<v Speaker 1>part of like my recovery has been accepting responsibility. So

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<v Speaker 1>it bugs me when none of these people take any responsibility. First, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>they're grown women. You can decide to drink or not drink,

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01:04:24.719 --> 01:04:27.440
<v Speaker 1>like you can't if you're Liah McSweeney too. You can't

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<v Speaker 1>be like, well, they knew I was an alcoholic and

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<v Speaker 1>they made me drink. Well, they didn't, though. You decided

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<v Speaker 1>to start drinking before any taping started on your first season,

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<v Speaker 1>so then you were basically in a relapse the whole time.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't know how that's everybody else's fault, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I know. I'm sure it's difficult. I'm sure it's difficult

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<v Speaker 1>to do. You have to go tape or film, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and people are all having drinks, and yeah, I can

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<v Speaker 1>understand that's hard. But your own dad did. You're going

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<v Speaker 1>to sue him. You went to lunch with your dad

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01:04:58.960 --> 01:05:03.719
<v Speaker 1>and he immediately ordered wine, right, right? No, I know,

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<v Speaker 1>I know. So it's not really the show, it's society.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's a lot of people if you're around a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people that drink all the time. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be done.

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<v Speaker 2>It's gonna be hard, right, And like you said, people

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<v Speaker 2>have been able to get sober on these shows, like Kyle.

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<v Speaker 2>Kyle weirdly enough, who didn't even really seem to have

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<v Speaker 2>a drinking issue. To me, she had, right, I mean

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01:05:26.360 --> 01:05:28.800
<v Speaker 2>maybe she had a little going I don't know, compared

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01:05:28.800 --> 01:05:32.719
<v Speaker 2>to the others, Like she seemed totally together, right, but

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01:05:32.840 --> 01:05:33.519
<v Speaker 2>she didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Feel like it. I guess inside she felt like she

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<v Speaker 1>was abusing alcohols. She didn't want to do that, and.

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<v Speaker 2>She knew a man and her family, you know, her

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<v Speaker 2>mom had issues obviously, Kim her sister h major, major alcoholic, right.

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01:05:47.239 --> 01:05:48.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean that was tough. That was the first time

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<v Speaker 2>we really saw that was on you know with Kim.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never seen anything like that on reality TV. Right,

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01:05:54.519 --> 01:05:56.599
<v Speaker 2>But it was almost like that was helpful. They did

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<v Speaker 2>it on camera to make her, but it took her

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<v Speaker 2>years to get better after that.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, I don't know. I don't think that

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<v Speaker 1>all day. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, because they're seeking people like this because that

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01:06:11.079 --> 01:06:13.800
<v Speaker 2>makes better TV. If you know, if you had a

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01:06:13.840 --> 01:06:18.920
<v Speaker 2>show it was all Kyle's and Katie's right, nothing would happen.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's it's now we're getting it, does It is

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01:06:21.280 --> 01:06:23.559
<v Speaker 2>getting icky because we you know, for a long time

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01:06:23.599 --> 01:06:26.719
<v Speaker 2>we loved watching these crazy fights and these drunken crazy

1323
01:06:26.719 --> 01:06:30.920
<v Speaker 2>but now twenty years later, I'm like, what, I still

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<v Speaker 2>watch it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard. Yeah, that's the thing. It's it's I guess

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<v Speaker 1>it pains me because Shannon has kids, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's got to be really hard on her kids when

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<v Speaker 1>they've lived with her their whole life and they know

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<v Speaker 1>that she's constantly like John Jansen, everybody was terrible, her

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<v Speaker 1>David was, to David Badore, David, David, David, it was

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01:06:53.440 --> 01:06:56.840
<v Speaker 1>it's always everybody else. And I just feel for the kids.

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<v Speaker 1>She raised good kids, though they seem to be doing well.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of the kid's on these shows are well,

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01:07:01.519 --> 01:07:05.760
<v Speaker 2>not Tameras non no, you know, not Tameras, but a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of them, for some reason, I have turned out okay,

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<v Speaker 2>which is kind of shocking.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is okay, all right, Thanks everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>Well you guys, thanks for being here. Obviously, Bachelorette next

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<v Speaker 2>week will continue with ninety Day You If you're not

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<v Speaker 2>on Rose Pricks, Patreon.

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01:07:24.719 --> 01:07:26.079
<v Speaker 1>I haven't even told Stephanie about this.

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01:07:26.599 --> 01:07:28.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to tell a story on Patreon about the

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01:07:28.840 --> 01:07:31.800
<v Speaker 2>Bachelor that she does, and I'm not going to tell

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01:07:31.800 --> 01:07:34.719
<v Speaker 2>you before. So join Patreon for next week. We'll join

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01:07:34.760 --> 01:07:37.599
<v Speaker 2>it anyway to support us. And I've got a little

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01:07:37.599 --> 01:07:42.519
<v Speaker 2>inside scoop that's crazy like a macro Nutso not about

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01:07:42.559 --> 01:07:47.639
<v Speaker 2>this season, just about about everything. Oh wait, yes, yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>so joined for that, and then of course we'll continue

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<v Speaker 2>with the OC next week.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, bye everybody, Bye bye, thank you. Bye.