Speaker 1: Okay. The writer's name is Todd, and here's what he writes,
Speaker 1: hold on to your weaves on. I got a strange
Speaker 1: story from Ohio to tell you. I hope someone who
Speaker 1: was in that campground that night, or who lives in
Speaker 1: the area and heard it, will remember the event and
Speaker 1: write in or comment. It happened at a campground with
Speaker 1: a lake just outside of Wilmington, Ohio, during the summer
Speaker 1: vacation of nineteen eighty three. I was almost eighteen and
Speaker 1: my girlfriend was seventeen at the time. Today, Becky and
Speaker 1: I have been married for thirty five years. That's cool, man.
Speaker 1: That's an awesome that I could end right there and
Speaker 1: just be happy for you. Todd, that's awesome. But let's
Speaker 1: get on with your story. The campground consisted of thirty
Speaker 1: to fifty permanent camsites for trailers in RV I think,
Speaker 1: and there was also an area to the west end
Speaker 1: for overnight tent campers. On the south side of the
Speaker 1: lake was some woods that wrapped around to the east
Speaker 1: and the west. There were forty yards of open area
Speaker 1: to the north side of the lake that reached down
Speaker 1: to a little beach area, with the rest of the
Speaker 1: north shore set aside for fishing access. We were there
Speaker 1: with my best friend, John, who was nineteen, and his girlfriend, Judy,
Speaker 1: who was twenty one, and as such was the designated
Speaker 1: purchaser of alcohol for our group. They've been married now
Speaker 1: for thirty six years. Oh man, that's another great. That's awesome.
Speaker 1: John and Judy thirty six years. That's great. Judy's dad
Speaker 1: and older brother had adjacent permanent camp sites at the campground,
Speaker 1: and since they were going to the races that weekend,
Speaker 1: the trailers were available. Because Becky and I were the
Speaker 1: only other couple in our little group of about a
Speaker 1: dozen friends, we were invited to join John and Judy
Speaker 1: for romantic weekend getaway. Judy worked at Stump's grocery store
Speaker 1: at the Forest Park Plaza, so we picked her up
Speaker 1: there on Friday night when she finished her shift. While
Speaker 1: we were there, we purchased the supplies that we would
Speaker 1: need for the weekend, and then we headed out. We
Speaker 1: arrived a couple of hours before sundown and set up camp.
Speaker 1: The campground was packed with activity. Kids were riding their
Speaker 1: bites on the gravel road that snaked its way through
Speaker 1: the park, people were walking their dogs, and men were
Speaker 1: riding around in their golf carts visiting neighbors. Several people
Speaker 1: stopped by to check up on Judy and ask about
Speaker 1: her dad and her brother. Off to the races was
Speaker 1: the standard reply. Soon we grilled our dinner and the
Speaker 1: girls had gotten the trailers ready for the night. After that,
Speaker 1: we all sat around the campfire, ring, swapping stories, enjoying
Speaker 1: each other's company, and relaxing to the sounds of the
Speaker 1: southern Ohio summer night. The bugs, the frogs, and the
Speaker 1: nighttime birds created a wondrous symphony of calming sound. A
Speaker 1: couple of hours after dark, we all decided it was
Speaker 1: time to turn in for the night. Before we went
Speaker 1: to bed, we had to tidy up our campsite, and
Speaker 1: John and I were churning the fire with a shovel.
Speaker 1: Went out of nowhere, and I mean like out of
Speaker 1: left field. We heard from way off in the distance
Speaker 1: what sounded like a woman's screaming, bloody murder. It was
Speaker 1: like her arms were being ripped from her body. John
Speaker 1: looked at me as if to say, man, what are
Speaker 1: we hearing. The girls came over with us with puzzled
Speaker 1: expressions on their faces. Twenty seconds into the scream. It
Speaker 1: changed to what sounded like a baby crying. That lasted
Speaker 1: for another twenty seconds, and then there was nothing. We
Speaker 1: could hear the normal night sounds all around us, but
Speaker 1: the screaming stopped. The other campers burst out into chatter,
Speaker 1: What was that? What the hell that? And a bounty
Speaker 1: of other anxious comments could be heard from every direction.
Speaker 1: We were certainly adding our share. The entire campground was
Speaker 1: a buzz with excitement and activity for another ten or
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes before everyone began to calm down and turn
Speaker 1: in for the night. We decided whatever it was, it
Speaker 1: was far enough away that it wasn't going to bother us.
Speaker 1: John and Judy took her parents' trailer, and Becky and
Speaker 1: I were in Judy's brother's trailer. Once inside, Becky and
Speaker 1: I were winding down, smoking a cigarette and having a
Speaker 1: pretty lively discussion about what had just happened. What exactly
Speaker 1: did you hear? She asked, and then before I could answer,
Speaker 1: she added, I heard a woman screaming in distressed. Then
Speaker 1: it changed into like a baby crying. Yeah, that's exactly
Speaker 1: what I heard. I said, Well, what do you think
Speaker 1: it was? I think it was a bobcat, she said, again,
Speaker 1: not letting me answer. You know they're still in Ohio. Well,
Speaker 1: I quickly answered, well, I don't know about that. Their
Speaker 1: mountain lines down in the Smokies, and with the warm weather,
Speaker 1: maybe one of them made its way up here into Ohio.
Speaker 1: We both pondered that for a moment before she asked,
Speaker 1: how did it cross the Ohio River? Then he crossed
Speaker 1: over the Brent Spence Bridge like everyone else. I quipped, Oh,
Speaker 1: you're funny. I suppose he did it during rush hour too,
Speaker 1: she exclaimed, as she threw her shirt at me. Well
Speaker 1: he did sound like one peste off cat, I laughed.
Speaker 1: We began to ponder again, and she climbed into bed.
Speaker 1: A stream of ideas came to me, and I said,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe some local has an exotic cat as
Speaker 1: a pet. Or we aren't too far from Cincinnati. Maybe
Speaker 1: some rich guy or Reds player, even better, a Bengals
Speaker 1: player bought themselves a big cat and it escaped. Her
Speaker 1: reply was wouldn't we have heard about that on the news? Well,
Speaker 1: not necessarily, I answered. If they didn't have the right
Speaker 1: perm to own an exotic pet and it escape, they
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to get into trouble, so they ain't gonna
Speaker 1: call anybody. Remember, Shannon, her family had to move to
Speaker 1: Michigan because Ohio passed that law where you have to
Speaker 1: have a permit to own exotic pets. Her family had
Speaker 1: those two cheetahs, but they didn't get the permits. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, she said. Now get your butt in bed,
Speaker 1: now see there. Don't you feel better about it? And
Speaker 1: all I answered, returning a grin. Yes, come to bed already,
Speaker 1: she groaned. I had no sooner turned off the light
Speaker 1: when I heard the faint sound of a baby crying.
Speaker 1: I turned to Becky in and saw her eyes getting
Speaker 1: bigger and knew she was hearing it too. Before either
Speaker 1: of us could speak a word, the sound changed to
Speaker 1: the woman's screaming bloody murder. Again a cat. Remember it's
Speaker 1: just a cat, I spoke up quickly. It's a very
Speaker 1: big cat, she added from inside the trailer. The sound
Speaker 1: was faint, but we could still hear as it changed
Speaker 1: into something like a jungle cat's growl, and then it
Speaker 1: became more like a lion's roar, and then it changed
Speaker 1: yet again to what we have come to refer to
Speaker 1: as a mix of an angry King Kong versus Godzilla
Speaker 1: with eyes as big as saucers, and our jaws dropped
Speaker 1: to our chests. We stared at each other for what
Speaker 1: felt like an hour, but it was in reality only
Speaker 1: a few seconds. What the hell was that? Becky whispered.
Speaker 1: Before I could answer, the damn thing started up again.
Speaker 1: This time it started with the King Kong versus Godzilla roar,
Speaker 1: followed by a bear's roar. I burst out of our
Speaker 1: trailer to find John poking his head out of his
Speaker 1: The growl had already changed to that of a lion
Speaker 1: and now morphing into that of a jungle cat's growl.
Speaker 1: When it changed back into the screaming woman, John muttered,
Speaker 1: what is that? The sound faded back into that of
Speaker 1: a baby crying, and John came out to stand beside me.
Speaker 1: The campground was beginning to come to life again. Someone yelled,
Speaker 1: can someone shut that thing up? Someone else said, what
Speaker 1: is that? Further down still, another camper asked, did you
Speaker 1: hear that? Standing outside? It sounded louder and closer than
Speaker 1: when we heard it earlier that night, though it still
Speaker 1: seemed to be coming from the same general direction, which
Speaker 1: was southwest of the campgrounds. We stood there for several seconds,
Speaker 1: lost in thought as we anticipated the next sound. How
Speaker 1: far away do you think it is? John asked, startling
Speaker 1: me back to reality. And do you have any ideas Sherlock?
Speaker 1: He added, before I could answer. Well, sarcastically calling me
Speaker 1: Sherlock was a running gag between us, brought on by
Speaker 1: my frequent use of the phrase elementary, my dear Watson elementary.
Speaker 1: But this time he sounded nervous. Back in. I thought
Speaker 1: it might be a big cat, like a bobcat, or
Speaker 1: a mountain lion, told him a mountain lion in Ohio.
Speaker 1: I was sure he was going to add or you nuts,
Speaker 1: but I cut him off by adding, or it could
Speaker 1: be someone who owns a big cat, Remember Shannon. He
Speaker 1: looked puzzled for a moment before remembering and saying, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: the girl with the cool looking jungle cats. They were cheetahs,
Speaker 1: I corrected him. Have you ever heard anything like that before?
Speaker 1: Those parts that sound like a bear, I mean the
Speaker 1: big gorilla or something, he asked. I noted a bit
Speaker 1: of quiver in his voice. It was a regular king Kong,
Speaker 1: I said. Unwilling to give a direct answer, we snapped
Speaker 1: our heads back to the southwest as the baby crying
Speaker 1: sound started up again. The depth and duration of the
Speaker 1: calls was unbelievable. It wasn't like it was one sound,
Speaker 1: take a breath, and then another. It was one continuous,
Speaker 1: deep call, lasting anywhere from fifty seconds to two minutes,
Speaker 1: transforming from baby to woman to animal and one breath.
Speaker 1: The long capacity of whatever was out there had to
Speaker 1: be massive, and the range was incomprehensible. John and I
Speaker 1: stood there looking at each other mentally repeating the same question.
Speaker 1: Everyone was asking what was this thing? It still sounded
Speaker 1: like it was pretty far off in the distance. I
Speaker 1: was guessing around five to ten miles away. Alarming, yes,
Speaker 1: but I didn't feel like we were in any danger.
Speaker 1: That's why John's next statement caught me off guard. Man,
Speaker 1: we have shotguns in the trailers and spotlights if we
Speaker 1: need them. Let me show you where yours are in
Speaker 1: the trailer. We went inside and he showed me where
Speaker 1: the shotgun and box of shells were, and then he
Speaker 1: pulled out a spotlight and we made sure the battery
Speaker 1: was working. It was one of those old nineteen sixties
Speaker 1: handheld lights made with the VW Beetle headlight attached to
Speaker 1: a metal battery box that had a handle on it.
Speaker 1: I don't remember the gauge of the shotgun, but I
Speaker 1: do remember that it held five shells and it was
Speaker 1: a pump action. John, Becky and I then went outside
Speaker 1: and stood for twenty minutes. It had been half an
Speaker 1: hour or more since we last heard its call when
Speaker 1: John broke the silence with well, I'll see you guys
Speaker 1: in the morning. Goodnight. Hey, I'm only a year younger
Speaker 1: than you, old man, I replied. John turned and went
Speaker 1: back to his trailer with a smile on his face.
Speaker 1: When we went back inside, Becky peppered me with questions
Speaker 1: about what John and I thought it was. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure how long we stayed up, but I can say
Speaker 1: one thing for sure, the night no longer had any
Speaker 1: romantic feeling. I don't know how long it was until
Speaker 1: we heard it again, but I would venture to guess
Speaker 1: it was around an hour later when King Kong started
Speaker 1: up again. By the time it had worked its way
Speaker 1: to the Jungle Cat, I was out the door with
Speaker 1: my shoes on, a shotgun in one hand and the
Speaker 1: spotlight in the other. It was no longer just a
Speaker 1: faint sound inside the trailer. Outside it was even louder,
Speaker 1: and now it sounded like it was just across the lake.
Speaker 1: John was out his door almost as fast as I was,
Speaker 1: and he was wearing his shoes and carrying his gun
Speaker 1: and his light as well. The whole campground seemed to
Speaker 1: be awake, and people were coming out of their trailers
Speaker 1: in r OF's and gathering in small groups. John and
Speaker 1: I walked down to the road as the call wound
Speaker 1: down to the baby crying. That sounds just like it's
Speaker 1: across the lake, John said, confirming my earlier thought. We
Speaker 1: were standing at the edge of the road closest to
Speaker 1: the lake, where there was mostly open field. The woods
Speaker 1: across the lake were silent as a grave. Gone was
Speaker 1: the music of the night dwellers. The insects, the frogs,
Speaker 1: in any other wildlife all seemed to be holding their
Speaker 1: collective breath. We could hear the people from the campground
Speaker 1: behind us talking and opening and closing doors, and after
Speaker 1: a few minutes, a couple in their thirties and a
Speaker 1: man in his fifties joined us where we stood. We
Speaker 1: formed a little group and made our introductions, and then
Speaker 1: quickly turned our conversation to the same questions we'd all
Speaker 1: been asking for hours. Another man walked past us and
Speaker 1: called to us, it's a banshee. Man, I tell you,
Speaker 1: it's a banshee. We all chuckled nervously but swallowed our laughter.
Speaker 1: When all hell broke loose across the lake. The baby
Speaker 1: crying started again, followed by the cracking of wood. It
Speaker 1: sounded like a bulldozer was tearing through that timber. In
Speaker 1: my lifetime I have heard and seeing deer, elk, moose,
Speaker 1: and bears crashed through the forest. Nothing, and I mean nothing,
Speaker 1: even come close to the cracking of wood that we
Speaker 1: heard that night. John and I spun around and flipped
Speaker 1: on our life. As the call changed from the baby
Speaker 1: crying to the woman screaming. We could clearly see the
Speaker 1: trees and bushes shaking, but we couldn't see what it
Speaker 1: was making the commotion. It was coming from the southwest
Speaker 1: and heading east. By the time the call had made
Speaker 1: its usual gamut of jungle cat to lion to bear
Speaker 1: to King Kong versus Godzilla, it had made it halfway
Speaker 1: to the bottom stretch of the lake. The guy who
Speaker 1: walked by with the bansheeth theory ran past us at
Speaker 1: a dead sprint back to its trailer. Oh God, that's funny. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not laughing or ridiculing anyone. Just want to be
Speaker 1: clear there. I just thought that sentence was funny. I
Speaker 1: do have a sense of humor. We could still see
Speaker 1: the trees and bushes swaying back and forth as the
Speaker 1: thing made its way to the east side of the lake.
Speaker 1: The woman in our little group said to no one
Speaker 1: in particular, my god, what is that thing? And then
Speaker 1: as an afterthought, she added, and what are we going
Speaker 1: to do about it? It wasn't screaming anymore, but we
Speaker 1: could still see it crashing through the woods. It was
Speaker 1: halfway to the road that dead ended in the woods
Speaker 1: on the east side of the lake, but there it
Speaker 1: could easily run up the east side road about one
Speaker 1: hundred yards or so, right into the campground. We were
Speaker 1: all sizing up the situation and formulating possible outcomes. Not
Speaker 1: more than a year before that night, I had watched
Speaker 1: the movie Rambo. Furthermore, I was a big fan of
Speaker 1: Billy Jack movies from the nineteen seventies. As if that
Speaker 1: wasn't enough, I saw myself as a hoodlum from the
Speaker 1: main streets of Dayton, Ohio. So it should come as
Speaker 1: no surprise that I was thinking John and I should
Speaker 1: head over to the east side road, cut this thing
Speaker 1: off at the past, and teach it a lesson by
Speaker 1: feeling it full of lead. I was just about to
Speaker 1: make that very suggestion when John said, I don't know
Speaker 1: about you, guys, but we're getting the hell out of
Speaker 1: here now. The rest of us were so startled by
Speaker 1: John's words that we just stood there dumbfounded as he
Speaker 1: walked away. A second later, we sprung into action, each
Speaker 1: of us heading back to our respective trailers. I didn't
Speaker 1: catch up with John until we were almost to the trailers,
Speaker 1: and the girls were dressed and standing outside, and they
Speaker 1: were waiting for us. Get the stuff, pat girls, he barked,
Speaker 1: We're out of here. They were way ahead of us.
Speaker 1: All we had to do was put away the guns,
Speaker 1: lock up the trailers, and jump in the car and go.
Speaker 1: It must have taken us a good twenty minutes to
Speaker 1: get out of the campground because of the traffic, it
Speaker 1: looked more than half of the campers were heading home.
Speaker 1: We kept a watchful eye on the East Road as
Speaker 1: we sat in the long line of cars but nothing
Speaker 1: ever came out of the woods. Once we'd answered all
Speaker 1: the girls questions, the ride home was pretty quiet. We
Speaker 1: never heard anything about it on the news, and after
Speaker 1: a week or so, the frenzied questions and the retelling
Speaker 1: of the story to our group of friends died down.
Speaker 1: Over the years, beck and I have shared this story
Speaker 1: with various new friends that we've met. A couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago, I shared a Dixie Cryptid video with Becky
Speaker 1: and she suggested that i'd send the story. So here
Speaker 1: it is, and we're sticking to it. There were a
Speaker 1: lot of people in that campground that night, and a
Speaker 1: lot of them left. Not to mention all the people
Speaker 1: who lived in a twenty square mile radius of the campground.
Speaker 1: We would love to hear from anyone who experienced those
Speaker 1: strange calls in the summer of nineteen eighty three. And
Speaker 1: one other thing. I often wonder what would happen that
Speaker 1: night if I had spoken up first with my Billy
Speaker 1: Jack plan. I guess we'll never know, Thank goodness, Oh man,
Speaker 1: what a great story. Nobody was heard. Everybody was just scared,
Speaker 1: and you heard a really unique sound. I mean, it
Speaker 1: sounded like it went on all Night Todd, But I
Speaker 1: don't know what else to say about this story. He's
Speaker 1: this man obviously has a sense of humor, unlike some
Speaker 1: of the really curmudgeon bigfoot people in the bigfoot community.
Speaker 1: But this guy has a sense of humor and he
Speaker 1: can laugh. He can actually laugh at himself. And I
Speaker 1: love these kind of stories. I really appreciating I really
Speaker 1: appreciate him sending it folks. I have Will Jevining and
Speaker 1: his sidekick Tom on the line, and we're going to
Speaker 1: ask them some questions and just dive right into Instead
Speaker 1: of this being one long interview, we're going to take
Speaker 1: specific topics and give them five to ten minutes to
Speaker 1: discuss it, and we're gonna chop those up and put
Speaker 1: those in podcasts with stories throughout the month. And I'm
Speaker 1: really excited about this because sometimes these interviews go so
Speaker 1: long that people tend to drop off after thirty or
Speaker 1: forty five minutes. So what I want to do is
Speaker 1: try to mix up a little bit of authentic stuff
Speaker 1: and then put some of my bullcrap at the end.
Speaker 1: That's what so to kind of give my podcast just
Speaker 1: a little bit more of a serious tone and so
Speaker 1: that you can hear from people who actually study these things,
Speaker 1: which I don't. Will and Tom, thank you for joining us.
Speaker 2: Well, Hi everybody, and Cam, I sure appreciate it. It's
Speaker 2: a real honor. Tom is coming back on in a minute.
Speaker 2: He had to reboot his computers having some issues. All
Speaker 2: you are here, Yeah, yeah, I'm on, So Cam, thanks
Speaker 2: again and really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: And hello to everybody out there.
Speaker 2: This is actually it's kind of a treat for us.
Speaker 2: This is something different and it's going to be a
Speaker 2: lot of fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it should be fun and we'll see how it goes,
Speaker 1: and I think it'll people will love hearing from you.
Speaker 1: So let's dive into what people want to hear. And here,
Speaker 1: let me just real briefly say this. My videos and
Speaker 1: podcas has get twenty or thirty thousand views, and I
Speaker 1: would say probably thirty percent of those are people who
Speaker 1: are interested in the Bigfoot topic, and the other sixty
Speaker 1: or seventy percent are people who just enjoy stories and
Speaker 1: this is a bit for them. This is for people
Speaker 1: to learn a little bit about what people have learned
Speaker 1: and studied really throughout their whole lives and they're actually
Speaker 1: consumed with the study of this creature. And I want
Speaker 1: you to hear what some people have found. So let's
Speaker 1: get started. I put out a community post today I
Speaker 1: ask people for questions. I was trying to get five,
Speaker 1: and we have I think we have one hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty responses. So thank you to the audience for doing that.
Speaker 1: That's very nice of you. One question that pops up
Speaker 1: over and over, and I was reluctant to ask Will
Speaker 1: and Tom this question is that this Nephelm theory are
Speaker 1: the Bigfoot the Nephilum from the Old Testament. And I
Speaker 1: was a little apprehensive to ask that because I think
Speaker 1: I know just the hot points of Will's opinions on
Speaker 1: some of these things based on experience in his study.
Speaker 1: But he's more than willing to talk about this and
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. So Will and Tom, you guys, let
Speaker 1: us know what you think about the Nephilum theory.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I get asked that pretty often myself,
Speaker 2: and I tell people know. And the reason they tell
Speaker 2: him know is because when you go back, I mean,
Speaker 2: you have to take a look at the King James Bible.
Speaker 2: It's actually kind of a watered down version of previous
Speaker 2: writings that they put into that. Now if you go
Speaker 2: to Ivan Sanderson's book. Ivan Sanderson was a zoologist. For
Speaker 2: those who don't know who he was. He wrote a
Speaker 2: book called The Bottle of Stone, Manlage and Come to Life,
Speaker 2: published in nineteen sixty one. Even a book that old,
Speaker 2: it has some great information in it. And in the
Speaker 2: chapter seventeen, actually page three seventy nine, there's a couple
Speaker 2: of paragraphs that address this specifically. So you know, pardon
Speaker 2: me if I butcher this a little bit, and some
Speaker 2: of the pronunciations, I'm not even gonna try. Maybe I'll
Speaker 2: spell the name, but it says in here Nephelim is
Speaker 2: often translated giants. But the commentators, and this was written
Speaker 2: by a Jewish scholar by the way, who was a
Speaker 2: friend of Sanderson's and let him put it in a book,
Speaker 2: the commentators tell us that they were so called because
Speaker 2: men would fall, and the word nephelim, the first part
Speaker 2: of that is nofel n oph e l, and that
Speaker 2: means they would fall in their faces with fright at
Speaker 2: the sight of them. So it wasn't actually giant, it
Speaker 2: was it was the appearance and the actual behavior that
Speaker 2: they would do. So then it goes into some other abbreviations.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what they are. But then they talk
Speaker 2: about the Gibbraum GiB or m were later on referred
Speaker 2: to as the Gibbori and I'm not even going to
Speaker 2: try to pronounce this a y i D and are
Speaker 2: reputed to have been as tall as a tree in
Speaker 2: contrast to the shambling Nephlom. So we have two different
Speaker 2: types of beings here. The second one, the jiroal t
Speaker 2: s A y i D means the mighty ones of
Speaker 2: the hunt, so they were not the nephylum. Our main
Speaker 2: concern here must be, however, the rest of the creatures
Speaker 2: who terrified the Israelites during the exodus, during Egypt and
Speaker 2: their period of wandering in the Sinai desert. These were
Speaker 2: the shidiam S h e I d i M or
Speaker 2: the destroyers who had been known to the patriarchs Abraham
Speaker 2: Isaaca Jacob Jacob as the serum or the hairy ones.
Speaker 2: So we're talking about two completely different things. And there's
Speaker 2: in other passages they talk about, you know, the nephylum,
Speaker 2: and they had actually specific measurements of beds, I mean
Speaker 2: beds like men slept in things like that, and the
Speaker 2: other creatures are something entirely different. So when people refer
Speaker 2: to the Sasquatch as the four or the descendants of
Speaker 2: the Nephilum, they're not. If you look at the context
Speaker 2: of these ancient writings, it.
Speaker 1: Doesn't make sense to me. I'm not that well versed
Speaker 1: in the Old Testament. I'm kind of a New Testament guy.
Speaker 1: I probably should be more so, but the New Testament
Speaker 1: seems to be more pertinent to this day in time
Speaker 1: or to what I need to pay attention to. However,
Speaker 1: even when I did read the Old Testament, I just
Speaker 1: kind of skipped over some of that stuff because it
Speaker 1: was like, I don't even understand what this is. So,
Speaker 1: but that's a that's a great explanation, and I so
Speaker 1: you tend to line up with his way of thinking
Speaker 1: on that, I would assume.
Speaker 2: I think it's a more correct assumption, and that's what
Speaker 2: Sanderson is doing. You're saying, well, look, you know, on
Speaker 2: one hand, you have the Nephilum, and you have also
Speaker 2: these other creatures who more closely resemble what we're talking
Speaker 2: about out in the forest today.
Speaker 1: That leaves the possibility open that it is an ancient species.
Speaker 2: Very much so. In fact, I've got plenty of Native
Speaker 2: American friends who've told me point blank that the creatures
Speaker 2: were here before their people came to the lands that
Speaker 2: they settled on the continent.
Speaker 3: A few years ago, I had the opportunity to talk
Speaker 3: with John Bendernagel, obviously before he died, was with a
Speaker 3: Ouiji board, and when in our conversation I asked him
Speaker 3: with the most convincing evidence he felt was in support
Speaker 3: of the existence of Bigfoot, and he cited footprints. I
Speaker 3: can't argue with him, especially those prints that show dermal ridges.
Speaker 3: But I do have a question about the fact that
Speaker 3: some of the plaster casts I've seen are squared off toes,
Speaker 3: some have an offset big toe. In the South they
Speaker 3: only have three toes. What is that about? Why why
Speaker 3: are there so many different foot formations.
Speaker 2: I have to tell you, I'm not real sure about
Speaker 2: this three toad stuff. In fact, even even in the
Speaker 2: movie The Legend of Boggy Creek, where they incorrectly stated
Speaker 2: in one point there was some tracks that were three
Speaker 2: toad I know somebody who was actually there and helped
Speaker 2: film that, and he said, the tracks are actually five
Speaker 2: toad prints. Yeah, most of the time they're five toad
Speaker 2: now what you're seeing some of that. Now, there's going
Speaker 2: to be two things going on their variation within the species.
Speaker 2: So like with humans, no two are identical, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. So, and a good example is that
Speaker 2: if you've ever tried to wear somebody else's shoes, how
Speaker 2: uncomfortable they feel because their feet are slightly different shaped
Speaker 2: and wear differently. Then there are some subcategories of creatures.
Speaker 2: And what I was told by sirs, they can't reveal
Speaker 2: that there were there were two main groupings, and for
Speaker 2: the sake of conversation, we'll call him group A and
Speaker 2: group b uh, And then there were two subgroupings in
Speaker 2: each one of those. So you're going to get some variations.
Speaker 2: And it makes sense if you've got a breeding population
Speaker 2: over a large region, let's say the United States in Canada,
Speaker 2: there are geographical barriers to keep, you know, one one
Speaker 2: regional group from interbreeding with another one. So over time
Speaker 2: and evolution, there's some different changes that occur. So, and
Speaker 2: you see with other animal species.
Speaker 3: So well that leads to another question. Then, so you're
Speaker 3: saying there are roughly four subspecies of bigfoot, four groupings, Yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: and what are those? I mean, can you use.
Speaker 2: There a name for them, Well, I call them, and
Speaker 2: people have sort of latched onto it since then. I
Speaker 2: called there's two. The two groups in species Group A
Speaker 2: would be the Type one and Type four. The Type
Speaker 2: one is what you see in the Patterson film and
Speaker 2: the Type four is more like what you'd see in
Speaker 2: pictures with the Minnesota iceman. And what what I why
Speaker 2: they're in that category is based on their teeth. Primarily,
Speaker 2: the teeth have no canines there. They're blocky similar ours,
Speaker 2: but there's some size differences and some other configurations that
Speaker 2: are different between those two groupings. Then the other side
Speaker 2: of the house, the let's say the A this is
Speaker 2: the A grouping and the B grouping, which predominantly in
Speaker 2: the South, and the Type two. They have very prominent canines.
Speaker 2: They look a lot like the ones you see in
Speaker 2: the Patterson film, but they're more often or as often
Speaker 2: as they are bipedally. They're moving in all fours and
Speaker 2: they're more you'll see more in groupings. And then there's
Speaker 2: the other one that has actually kind of a baboon face,
Speaker 2: almost a snout, and that one resides primarily along the
Speaker 2: Mississippi River drainage basin that's a type three.
Speaker 3: Is that the one that they do? Some people call
Speaker 3: it a gugwy or a gugway.
Speaker 2: Probably, yes, Well, are you familiar.
Speaker 3: That's a new term to me. I have no idea
Speaker 3: what that is, to be honest with you. I mean,
Speaker 3: I honestly, I've seen some researchers group it with Dogman
Speaker 3: and others research it. I'm sorry, not research it, group
Speaker 3: it with it's bigfoot, And I have no idea.
Speaker 1: It's pretty vicious, that's the that's the creature everybody writes
Speaker 1: the fictional books about, right.
Speaker 3: I think gugway means space eater, right, But that's an
Speaker 3: Algonquian term, I think.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, if you can take a creature and
Speaker 1: make him main and you have to kill him and
Speaker 1: he's the villain, that's always a big seller.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it is