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Speaker 1: Okay. The writer's name is Todd, and here's what he writes,

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hold on to your weaves on. I got a strange

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story from Ohio to tell you. I hope someone who

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was in that campground that night, or who lives in

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the area and heard it, will remember the event and

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write in or comment. It happened at a campground with

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a lake just outside of Wilmington, Ohio, during the summer

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vacation of nineteen eighty three. I was almost eighteen and

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my girlfriend was seventeen at the time. Today, Becky and

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I have been married for thirty five years. That's cool, man.

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That's an awesome that I could end right there and

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just be happy for you. Todd, that's awesome. But let's

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get on with your story. The campground consisted of thirty

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to fifty permanent camsites for trailers in RV I think,

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and there was also an area to the west end

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for overnight tent campers. On the south side of the

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lake was some woods that wrapped around to the east

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and the west. There were forty yards of open area

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to the north side of the lake that reached down

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to a little beach area, with the rest of the

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north shore set aside for fishing access. We were there

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with my best friend, John, who was nineteen, and his girlfriend, Judy,

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who was twenty one, and as such was the designated

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purchaser of alcohol for our group. They've been married now

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for thirty six years. Oh man, that's another great. That's awesome.

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John and Judy thirty six years. That's great. Judy's dad

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and older brother had adjacent permanent camp sites at the campground,

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and since they were going to the races that weekend,

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the trailers were available. Because Becky and I were the

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only other couple in our little group of about a

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dozen friends, we were invited to join John and Judy

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for romantic weekend getaway. Judy worked at Stump's grocery store

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at the Forest Park Plaza, so we picked her up

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there on Friday night when she finished her shift. While

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we were there, we purchased the supplies that we would

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need for the weekend, and then we headed out. We

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arrived a couple of hours before sundown and set up camp.

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The campground was packed with activity. Kids were riding their

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bites on the gravel road that snaked its way through

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the park, people were walking their dogs, and men were

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riding around in their golf carts visiting neighbors. Several people

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stopped by to check up on Judy and ask about

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her dad and her brother. Off to the races was

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the standard reply. Soon we grilled our dinner and the

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girls had gotten the trailers ready for the night. After that,

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we all sat around the campfire, ring, swapping stories, enjoying

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each other's company, and relaxing to the sounds of the

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southern Ohio summer night. The bugs, the frogs, and the

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nighttime birds created a wondrous symphony of calming sound. A

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couple of hours after dark, we all decided it was

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time to turn in for the night. Before we went

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to bed, we had to tidy up our campsite, and

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John and I were churning the fire with a shovel.

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Went out of nowhere, and I mean like out of

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left field. We heard from way off in the distance

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what sounded like a woman's screaming, bloody murder. It was

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like her arms were being ripped from her body. John

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looked at me as if to say, man, what are

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we hearing. The girls came over with us with puzzled

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expressions on their faces. Twenty seconds into the scream. It

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changed to what sounded like a baby crying. That lasted

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for another twenty seconds, and then there was nothing. We

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could hear the normal night sounds all around us, but

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the screaming stopped. The other campers burst out into chatter,

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What was that? What the hell that? And a bounty

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of other anxious comments could be heard from every direction.

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We were certainly adding our share. The entire campground was

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a buzz with excitement and activity for another ten or

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fifteen minutes before everyone began to calm down and turn

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in for the night. We decided whatever it was, it

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was far enough away that it wasn't going to bother us.

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John and Judy took her parents' trailer, and Becky and

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I were in Judy's brother's trailer. Once inside, Becky and

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I were winding down, smoking a cigarette and having a

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pretty lively discussion about what had just happened. What exactly

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did you hear? She asked, and then before I could answer,

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she added, I heard a woman screaming in distressed. Then

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it changed into like a baby crying. Yeah, that's exactly

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what I heard. I said, Well, what do you think

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it was? I think it was a bobcat, she said, again,

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not letting me answer. You know they're still in Ohio. Well,

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I quickly answered, well, I don't know about that. Their

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mountain lines down in the Smokies, and with the warm weather,

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maybe one of them made its way up here into Ohio.

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We both pondered that for a moment before she asked,

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how did it cross the Ohio River? Then he crossed

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over the Brent Spence Bridge like everyone else. I quipped, Oh,

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you're funny. I suppose he did it during rush hour too,

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she exclaimed, as she threw her shirt at me. Well

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he did sound like one peste off cat, I laughed.

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We began to ponder again, and she climbed into bed.

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A stream of ideas came to me, and I said,

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you know, maybe some local has an exotic cat as

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a pet. Or we aren't too far from Cincinnati. Maybe

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some rich guy or Reds player, even better, a Bengals

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player bought themselves a big cat and it escaped. Her

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reply was wouldn't we have heard about that on the news? Well,

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not necessarily, I answered. If they didn't have the right

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perm to own an exotic pet and it escape, they

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wouldn't want to get into trouble, so they ain't gonna

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call anybody. Remember, Shannon, her family had to move to

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Michigan because Ohio passed that law where you have to

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have a permit to own exotic pets. Her family had

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those two cheetahs, but they didn't get the permits. Oh yeah,

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you're right, she said. Now get your butt in bed,

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now see there. Don't you feel better about it? And

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all I answered, returning a grin. Yes, come to bed already,

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she groaned. I had no sooner turned off the light

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when I heard the faint sound of a baby crying.

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I turned to Becky in and saw her eyes getting

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bigger and knew she was hearing it too. Before either

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of us could speak a word, the sound changed to

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the woman's screaming bloody murder. Again a cat. Remember it's

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just a cat, I spoke up quickly. It's a very

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big cat, she added from inside the trailer. The sound

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was faint, but we could still hear as it changed

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into something like a jungle cat's growl, and then it

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became more like a lion's roar, and then it changed

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yet again to what we have come to refer to

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as a mix of an angry King Kong versus Godzilla

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with eyes as big as saucers, and our jaws dropped

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to our chests. We stared at each other for what

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felt like an hour, but it was in reality only

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a few seconds. What the hell was that? Becky whispered.

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Before I could answer, the damn thing started up again.

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This time it started with the King Kong versus Godzilla roar,

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followed by a bear's roar. I burst out of our

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trailer to find John poking his head out of his

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The growl had already changed to that of a lion

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and now morphing into that of a jungle cat's growl.

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When it changed back into the screaming woman, John muttered,

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what is that? The sound faded back into that of

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a baby crying, and John came out to stand beside me.

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The campground was beginning to come to life again. Someone yelled,

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can someone shut that thing up? Someone else said, what

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is that? Further down still, another camper asked, did you

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hear that? Standing outside? It sounded louder and closer than

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when we heard it earlier that night, though it still

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seemed to be coming from the same general direction, which

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was southwest of the campgrounds. We stood there for several seconds,

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lost in thought as we anticipated the next sound. How

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far away do you think it is? John asked, startling

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me back to reality. And do you have any ideas Sherlock?

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He added, before I could answer. Well, sarcastically calling me

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Sherlock was a running gag between us, brought on by

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my frequent use of the phrase elementary, my dear Watson elementary.

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But this time he sounded nervous. Back in. I thought

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it might be a big cat, like a bobcat, or

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a mountain lion, told him a mountain lion in Ohio.

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I was sure he was going to add or you nuts,

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but I cut him off by adding, or it could

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be someone who owns a big cat, Remember Shannon. He

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looked puzzled for a moment before remembering and saying, oh, yeah,

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the girl with the cool looking jungle cats. They were cheetahs,

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I corrected him. Have you ever heard anything like that before?

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Those parts that sound like a bear, I mean the

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big gorilla or something, he asked. I noted a bit

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of quiver in his voice. It was a regular king Kong,

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I said. Unwilling to give a direct answer, we snapped

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our heads back to the southwest as the baby crying

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sound started up again. The depth and duration of the

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calls was unbelievable. It wasn't like it was one sound,

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take a breath, and then another. It was one continuous,

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deep call, lasting anywhere from fifty seconds to two minutes,

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transforming from baby to woman to animal and one breath.

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The long capacity of whatever was out there had to

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be massive, and the range was incomprehensible. John and I

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stood there looking at each other mentally repeating the same question.

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Everyone was asking what was this thing? It still sounded

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like it was pretty far off in the distance. I

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was guessing around five to ten miles away. Alarming, yes,

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but I didn't feel like we were in any danger.

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That's why John's next statement caught me off guard. Man,

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we have shotguns in the trailers and spotlights if we

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need them. Let me show you where yours are in

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the trailer. We went inside and he showed me where

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the shotgun and box of shells were, and then he

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pulled out a spotlight and we made sure the battery

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was working. It was one of those old nineteen sixties

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handheld lights made with the VW Beetle headlight attached to

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a metal battery box that had a handle on it.

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I don't remember the gauge of the shotgun, but I

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do remember that it held five shells and it was

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a pump action. John, Becky and I then went outside

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and stood for twenty minutes. It had been half an

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hour or more since we last heard its call when

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John broke the silence with well, I'll see you guys

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in the morning. Goodnight. Hey, I'm only a year younger

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than you, old man, I replied. John turned and went

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back to his trailer with a smile on his face.

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When we went back inside, Becky peppered me with questions

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about what John and I thought it was. I'm not

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sure how long we stayed up, but I can say

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one thing for sure, the night no longer had any

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romantic feeling. I don't know how long it was until

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we heard it again, but I would venture to guess

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it was around an hour later when King Kong started

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up again. By the time it had worked its way

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to the Jungle Cat, I was out the door with

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my shoes on, a shotgun in one hand and the

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spotlight in the other. It was no longer just a

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faint sound inside the trailer. Outside it was even louder,

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and now it sounded like it was just across the lake.

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John was out his door almost as fast as I was,

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and he was wearing his shoes and carrying his gun

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and his light as well. The whole campground seemed to

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be awake, and people were coming out of their trailers

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in r OF's and gathering in small groups. John and

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I walked down to the road as the call wound

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down to the baby crying. That sounds just like it's

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across the lake, John said, confirming my earlier thought. We

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were standing at the edge of the road closest to

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the lake, where there was mostly open field. The woods

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across the lake were silent as a grave. Gone was

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the music of the night dwellers. The insects, the frogs,

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in any other wildlife all seemed to be holding their

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collective breath. We could hear the people from the campground

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behind us talking and opening and closing doors, and after

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a few minutes, a couple in their thirties and a

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man in his fifties joined us where we stood. We

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formed a little group and made our introductions, and then

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quickly turned our conversation to the same questions we'd all

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been asking for hours. Another man walked past us and

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called to us, it's a banshee. Man, I tell you,

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it's a banshee. We all chuckled nervously but swallowed our laughter.

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When all hell broke loose across the lake. The baby

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crying started again, followed by the cracking of wood. It

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sounded like a bulldozer was tearing through that timber. In

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my lifetime I have heard and seeing deer, elk, moose,

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and bears crashed through the forest. Nothing, and I mean nothing,

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even come close to the cracking of wood that we

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heard that night. John and I spun around and flipped

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on our life. As the call changed from the baby

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crying to the woman screaming. We could clearly see the

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trees and bushes shaking, but we couldn't see what it

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was making the commotion. It was coming from the southwest

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and heading east. By the time the call had made

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its usual gamut of jungle cat to lion to bear

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to King Kong versus Godzilla, it had made it halfway

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to the bottom stretch of the lake. The guy who

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walked by with the bansheeth theory ran past us at

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a dead sprint back to its trailer. Oh God, that's funny. Okay,

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I'm not laughing or ridiculing anyone. Just want to be

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clear there. I just thought that sentence was funny. I

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do have a sense of humor. We could still see

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the trees and bushes swaying back and forth as the

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thing made its way to the east side of the lake.

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The woman in our little group said to no one

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in particular, my god, what is that thing? And then

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as an afterthought, she added, and what are we going

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to do about it? It wasn't screaming anymore, but we

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could still see it crashing through the woods. It was

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halfway to the road that dead ended in the woods

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on the east side of the lake, but there it

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could easily run up the east side road about one

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hundred yards or so, right into the campground. We were

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all sizing up the situation and formulating possible outcomes. Not

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more than a year before that night, I had watched

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the movie Rambo. Furthermore, I was a big fan of

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Billy Jack movies from the nineteen seventies. As if that

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wasn't enough, I saw myself as a hoodlum from the

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main streets of Dayton, Ohio. So it should come as

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no surprise that I was thinking John and I should

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head over to the east side road, cut this thing

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off at the past, and teach it a lesson by

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feeling it full of lead. I was just about to

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make that very suggestion when John said, I don't know

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about you, guys, but we're getting the hell out of

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here now. The rest of us were so startled by

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John's words that we just stood there dumbfounded as he

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walked away. A second later, we sprung into action, each

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of us heading back to our respective trailers. I didn't

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catch up with John until we were almost to the trailers,

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and the girls were dressed and standing outside, and they

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were waiting for us. Get the stuff, pat girls, he barked,

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We're out of here. They were way ahead of us.

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All we had to do was put away the guns,

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lock up the trailers, and jump in the car and go.

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It must have taken us a good twenty minutes to

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get out of the campground because of the traffic, it

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looked more than half of the campers were heading home.

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We kept a watchful eye on the East Road as

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we sat in the long line of cars but nothing

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ever came out of the woods. Once we'd answered all

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the girls questions, the ride home was pretty quiet. We

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never heard anything about it on the news, and after

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a week or so, the frenzied questions and the retelling

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of the story to our group of friends died down.

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Over the years, beck and I have shared this story

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with various new friends that we've met. A couple of

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weeks ago, I shared a Dixie Cryptid video with Becky

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and she suggested that i'd send the story. So here

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it is, and we're sticking to it. There were a

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lot of people in that campground that night, and a

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lot of them left. Not to mention all the people

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who lived in a twenty square mile radius of the campground.

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We would love to hear from anyone who experienced those

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strange calls in the summer of nineteen eighty three. And

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one other thing. I often wonder what would happen that

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night if I had spoken up first with my Billy

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Jack plan. I guess we'll never know, Thank goodness, Oh man,

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what a great story. Nobody was heard. Everybody was just scared,

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and you heard a really unique sound. I mean, it

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sounded like it went on all Night Todd, But I

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don't know what else to say about this story. He's

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this man obviously has a sense of humor, unlike some

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of the really curmudgeon bigfoot people in the bigfoot community.

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But this guy has a sense of humor and he

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can laugh. He can actually laugh at himself. And I

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love these kind of stories. I really appreciating I really

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appreciate him sending it folks. I have Will Jevining and

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his sidekick Tom on the line, and we're going to

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ask them some questions and just dive right into Instead

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of this being one long interview, we're going to take

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specific topics and give them five to ten minutes to

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discuss it, and we're gonna chop those up and put

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those in podcasts with stories throughout the month. And I'm

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really excited about this because sometimes these interviews go so

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long that people tend to drop off after thirty or

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forty five minutes. So what I want to do is

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try to mix up a little bit of authentic stuff

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and then put some of my bullcrap at the end.

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That's what so to kind of give my podcast just

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a little bit more of a serious tone and so

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that you can hear from people who actually study these things,

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which I don't. Will and Tom, thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Well, Hi everybody, and Cam, I sure appreciate it. It's

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a real honor. Tom is coming back on in a minute.

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He had to reboot his computers having some issues. All

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you are here, Yeah, yeah, I'm on, So Cam, thanks

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again and really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: And hello to everybody out there.

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Speaker 2: This is actually it's kind of a treat for us.

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This is something different and it's going to be a

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lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it should be fun and we'll see how it goes,

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and I think it'll people will love hearing from you.

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So let's dive into what people want to hear. And here,

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let me just real briefly say this. My videos and

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podcas has get twenty or thirty thousand views, and I

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would say probably thirty percent of those are people who

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are interested in the Bigfoot topic, and the other sixty

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or seventy percent are people who just enjoy stories and

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this is a bit for them. This is for people

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to learn a little bit about what people have learned

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and studied really throughout their whole lives and they're actually

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consumed with the study of this creature. And I want

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you to hear what some people have found. So let's

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get started. I put out a community post today I

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ask people for questions. I was trying to get five,

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and we have I think we have one hundred and

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fifty responses. So thank you to the audience for doing that.

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That's very nice of you. One question that pops up

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over and over, and I was reluctant to ask Will

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and Tom this question is that this Nephelm theory are

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the Bigfoot the Nephilum from the Old Testament. And I

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was a little apprehensive to ask that because I think

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I know just the hot points of Will's opinions on

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some of these things based on experience in his study.

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But he's more than willing to talk about this and

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I appreciate it. So Will and Tom, you guys, let

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us know what you think about the Nephilum theory.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I get asked that pretty often myself,

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and I tell people know. And the reason they tell

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him know is because when you go back, I mean,

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you have to take a look at the King James Bible.

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It's actually kind of a watered down version of previous

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writings that they put into that. Now if you go

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to Ivan Sanderson's book. Ivan Sanderson was a zoologist. For

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those who don't know who he was. He wrote a

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book called The Bottle of Stone, Manlage and Come to Life,

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published in nineteen sixty one. Even a book that old,

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it has some great information in it. And in the

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chapter seventeen, actually page three seventy nine, there's a couple

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of paragraphs that address this specifically. So you know, pardon

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me if I butcher this a little bit, and some

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of the pronunciations, I'm not even gonna try. Maybe I'll

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spell the name, but it says in here Nephelim is

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often translated giants. But the commentators, and this was written

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by a Jewish scholar by the way, who was a

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friend of Sanderson's and let him put it in a book,

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the commentators tell us that they were so called because

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men would fall, and the word nephelim, the first part

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of that is nofel n oph e l, and that

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means they would fall in their faces with fright at

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the sight of them. So it wasn't actually giant, it

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was it was the appearance and the actual behavior that

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they would do. So then it goes into some other abbreviations.

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I'm not sure what they are. But then they talk

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about the Gibbraum GiB or m were later on referred

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to as the Gibbori and I'm not even going to

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try to pronounce this a y i D and are

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reputed to have been as tall as a tree in

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contrast to the shambling Nephlom. So we have two different

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types of beings here. The second one, the jiroal t

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s A y i D means the mighty ones of

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the hunt, so they were not the nephylum. Our main

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concern here must be, however, the rest of the creatures

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who terrified the Israelites during the exodus, during Egypt and

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their period of wandering in the Sinai desert. These were

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the shidiam S h e I d i M or

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the destroyers who had been known to the patriarchs Abraham

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Isaaca Jacob Jacob as the serum or the hairy ones.

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So we're talking about two completely different things. And there's

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in other passages they talk about, you know, the nephylum,

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and they had actually specific measurements of beds, I mean

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beds like men slept in things like that, and the

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other creatures are something entirely different. So when people refer

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to the Sasquatch as the four or the descendants of

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the Nephilum, they're not. If you look at the context

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of these ancient writings, it.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't make sense to me. I'm not that well versed

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in the Old Testament. I'm kind of a New Testament guy.

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I probably should be more so, but the New Testament

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seems to be more pertinent to this day in time

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or to what I need to pay attention to. However,

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even when I did read the Old Testament, I just

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kind of skipped over some of that stuff because it

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was like, I don't even understand what this is. So,

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but that's a that's a great explanation, and I so

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you tend to line up with his way of thinking

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on that, I would assume.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a more correct assumption, and that's what

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Sanderson is doing. You're saying, well, look, you know, on

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one hand, you have the Nephilum, and you have also

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these other creatures who more closely resemble what we're talking

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about out in the forest today.

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Speaker 1: That leaves the possibility open that it is an ancient species.

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Speaker 2: Very much so. In fact, I've got plenty of Native

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American friends who've told me point blank that the creatures

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were here before their people came to the lands that

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they settled on the continent.

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Speaker 3: A few years ago, I had the opportunity to talk

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with John Bendernagel, obviously before he died, was with a

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Ouiji board, and when in our conversation I asked him

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with the most convincing evidence he felt was in support

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of the existence of Bigfoot, and he cited footprints. I

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can't argue with him, especially those prints that show dermal ridges.

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But I do have a question about the fact that

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some of the plaster casts I've seen are squared off toes,

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some have an offset big toe. In the South they

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only have three toes. What is that about? Why why

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are there so many different foot formations.

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Speaker 2: I have to tell you, I'm not real sure about

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this three toad stuff. In fact, even even in the

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movie The Legend of Boggy Creek, where they incorrectly stated

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in one point there was some tracks that were three

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toad I know somebody who was actually there and helped

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film that, and he said, the tracks are actually five

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toad prints. Yeah, most of the time they're five toad

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now what you're seeing some of that. Now, there's going

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to be two things going on their variation within the species.

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So like with humans, no two are identical, you know

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what I mean. So, and a good example is that

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if you've ever tried to wear somebody else's shoes, how

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uncomfortable they feel because their feet are slightly different shaped

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and wear differently. Then there are some subcategories of creatures.

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And what I was told by sirs, they can't reveal

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that there were there were two main groupings, and for

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the sake of conversation, we'll call him group A and

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group b uh, And then there were two subgroupings in

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each one of those. So you're going to get some variations.

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And it makes sense if you've got a breeding population

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over a large region, let's say the United States in Canada,

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there are geographical barriers to keep, you know, one one

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regional group from interbreeding with another one. So over time

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and evolution, there's some different changes that occur. So, and

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you see with other animal species.

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Speaker 3: So well that leads to another question. Then, so you're

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saying there are roughly four subspecies of bigfoot, four groupings, Yeah, okay,

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and what are those? I mean, can you use.

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Speaker 2: There a name for them, Well, I call them, and

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people have sort of latched onto it since then. I

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called there's two. The two groups in species Group A

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would be the Type one and Type four. The Type

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one is what you see in the Patterson film and

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the Type four is more like what you'd see in

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pictures with the Minnesota iceman. And what what I why

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they're in that category is based on their teeth. Primarily,

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the teeth have no canines there. They're blocky similar ours,

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but there's some size differences and some other configurations that

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are different between those two groupings. Then the other side

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of the house, the let's say the A this is

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the A grouping and the B grouping, which predominantly in

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the South, and the Type two. They have very prominent canines.

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They look a lot like the ones you see in

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the Patterson film, but they're more often or as often

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as they are bipedally. They're moving in all fours and

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they're more you'll see more in groupings. And then there's

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the other one that has actually kind of a baboon face,

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almost a snout, and that one resides primarily along the

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Mississippi River drainage basin that's a type three.

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Speaker 3: Is that the one that they do? Some people call

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it a gugwy or a gugway.

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Speaker 2: Probably, yes, Well, are you familiar.

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Speaker 3: That's a new term to me. I have no idea

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what that is, to be honest with you. I mean,

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I honestly, I've seen some researchers group it with Dogman

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and others research it. I'm sorry, not research it, group

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it with it's bigfoot, And I have no idea.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty vicious, that's the that's the creature everybody writes

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the fictional books about, right.

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Speaker 3: I think gugway means space eater, right, But that's an

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Algonquian term, I think.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, if you can take a creature and

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make him main and you have to kill him and

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he's the villain, that's always a big seller.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, it is