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<v Speaker 1>It's night side with Dan Ray on Boston.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back. It's a little bit after ten o'clock here

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<v Speaker 2>and on a Friday night. I'm delighted to be joined

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<v Speaker 2>by a friend of many years, someone who uh, I

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<v Speaker 2>think is familiar to everyone in New England. Uh. Former

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<v Speaker 2>Boston Police Commissioner Bill Bratton. But he's also former New

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<v Speaker 2>York Police commissioner twice, former chief of police in Los Angeles,

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<v Speaker 2>a career in the in law, in law enforcement. And

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<v Speaker 2>we could we could spend the entire hour going through

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<v Speaker 2>the resume and the awards and all of that. Like me,

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<v Speaker 2>he is a graduate of University of Massachusetts in Boston. Bill,

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<v Speaker 2>did did you go to Boston State and then by

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<v Speaker 2>virtue of the merger becoming U Mass Boston Graduate or

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<v Speaker 2>did you go to U mass Boston?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>And it's in its old area, in the Park Square area.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you tonight?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm well tonight, Dan, good to be with you. I

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<v Speaker 3>actually started at Boston State in nineteen seventy one under

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<v Speaker 3>a federally funded program to provide college educations to police officers.

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<v Speaker 3>So as part of one hundred police officers from around

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<v Speaker 3>the Great Boston area. It started at Boston State, but

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<v Speaker 3>then in mid seventies it was merged into the U

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<v Speaker 3>mass system. So I ended up graduating out of Boston.

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<v Speaker 3>In your run up of my bio, you left out

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<v Speaker 3>I'm up here in Boston. We got the Vagatta, one

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<v Speaker 3>of the great events here in this city this weekend.

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<v Speaker 3>I got a gorgeous weekend for it. A lot of

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<v Speaker 3>listeners might remember the old MDC Police, the Metropolitan Police. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>that used to used to police the Charles River among

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<v Speaker 3>its responsibilities, and so I was superintendent of that for

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<v Speaker 3>a few years old.

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<v Speaker 2>Also are the head of the MBTA Police, if if.

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<v Speaker 3>I recall that's correct. It was the first of my

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<v Speaker 3>two transit developments. I headed up the transit police in

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<v Speaker 3>New York.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, yeah, so yeah, as I said, we could, we

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<v Speaker 2>could have read the entire and we'll be wrapping up

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<v Speaker 2>and saying thanks very much you having joined us.

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<v Speaker 3>So I've had I had a hard time holding on

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<v Speaker 3>to a.

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<v Speaker 2>Job, Don and you you were sought after by by

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<v Speaker 2>some of the great cities in America, New York, Los Angeles,

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<v Speaker 2>and Boston. My understanding is that you're in You're in

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<v Speaker 2>town not only for the regatta, but I also think

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<v Speaker 2>there's some sort of a law enforcement event going on

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<v Speaker 2>this weekend that you're involved in or or was I misled?

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<v Speaker 3>Actually this series of them over the last two days.

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<v Speaker 3>The Major City Chiefs Association, which is made up of

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<v Speaker 3>the seventy five largest cities in America and Canada, we're

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<v Speaker 3>holding their conference here attended by four or five hundred

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<v Speaker 3>law enforcement officials, including the chiefs, to discuss a wide

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<v Speaker 3>range of current issues of concern. The elections were in

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<v Speaker 3>the middle of the crime situation, the various crime issues

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<v Speaker 3>we're dealing with, terrorism, what's going on in the mid

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<v Speaker 3>East now it's impacting here. Starting tomorrow, the fifteen thousand

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<v Speaker 3>member International Association of Chiefs of Police, which represent almost

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<v Speaker 3>all of the police organizations in this country, are here

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<v Speaker 3>in Boston for their annual conference. So you'll see a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of those chiefs in the city the next five

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<v Speaker 3>days and then on Sunday and organization I'm may be

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<v Speaker 3>proud to be part of the Police Executive Research Forum,

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<v Speaker 3>headed up by a Bostonian Chuck Wexler, who I work

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<v Speaker 3>with in the Boston Police Department. Well, well, you and

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<v Speaker 3>I have taught together at his program over BEU every

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<v Speaker 3>summer so he'll be doing his things. So it's a

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<v Speaker 3>very exciting weekend for the law enforcement community here in

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<v Speaker 3>the United States and Canada, which brings me.

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<v Speaker 2>To the topic at hand. And this has been a

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<v Speaker 2>very interesting presidential election campaign, unfortunately made more interesting by

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<v Speaker 2>a mere assassination of one candidate, Donald Trump and a

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<v Speaker 2>second assassination attempt that there were more questions about both

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<v Speaker 2>of these that have been answered, so I'd like to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about those. I'd also like to talk about the

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<v Speaker 2>idea of that the Middle East does have a splash

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<v Speaker 2>over effect here at Bill and you know this better

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<v Speaker 2>than I do, and I know there is probably some

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<v Speaker 2>things that you can't say. And so, as I've said

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<v Speaker 2>earlier tonight, I always have the right to take the

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<v Speaker 2>Fifth Amendment here on nightside when we get to an

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<v Speaker 2>area that we should not be talking about. But I'm

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<v Speaker 2>hearing a lot of roomors. I'm looking at a Washington

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<v Speaker 2>Post piece as a matter of fact, from this past

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<v Speaker 2>August about the idea of Iranian hit squads looking to

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<v Speaker 2>take out American politicians of either party and maybe in

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<v Speaker 2>retaliation for our support of Israel and the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>we were able to get rid of solomony during the

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<v Speaker 2>Trump administration. So there's just so much to talk about here.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe what we could do is just have one question

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<v Speaker 2>and then I got to go to break And did

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<v Speaker 2>you ever think in your lifetime after what we experienced,

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<v Speaker 2>and you and I are very close in age as

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<v Speaker 2>young teenagers in nineteen sixty three, the assassination of a president,

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<v Speaker 2>what we witnessed as young men the summer of sixty eight,

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<v Speaker 2>including the assassination of doctor King and Senator Robert F. Kennedy,

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<v Speaker 2>did you ever think, and you know there have been

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<v Speaker 2>other events along the way, but that there would be

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<v Speaker 2>two assassination attempts during a president a campaign in this

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<v Speaker 2>year twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 3>Too, directed against the same candidate you left out, George Wallace.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I did, yeah, yep, no, And I interviewed him

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<v Speaker 2>after that event. As a matter of fact, I remember

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<v Speaker 2>him rolling in in a wheelchair into the old WBC

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<v Speaker 2>studio at Soldier's Field Road. Now I remember that. And

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<v Speaker 2>we could also mention Gerald Ford who two crazy women.

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<v Speaker 2>One was Wiki Frome and the other was I think

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<v Speaker 2>it was Jane Jane Moore or Mary Jane Moore. They

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<v Speaker 2>both took a shot and both of the myssed they

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<v Speaker 2>had pistols, so and of course Ronald Reagan, who himself

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<v Speaker 2>nearly died. But but it just it just it boggles

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<v Speaker 2>my mind that there could be two of these. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, from a security perspective, what did you think

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<v Speaker 2>of the first one in Butler, Pennsylvania. That had to

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<v Speaker 2>be a total and it appears to have been a

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<v Speaker 2>total miscommunication between the locals and the FEDS. And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure you've handled many of presidential visions in your life,

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<v Speaker 2>in your experience, how could that happen?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's quite clear that it should not have happened.

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<v Speaker 3>That the report that was just issued this week was

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<v Speaker 3>pretty damning of the Secret Service and its protocols and

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<v Speaker 3>procedures and is calling for a widespread reforms of that organization.

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<v Speaker 3>It's recruiting, it's training, its leadership, and it's something that

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<v Speaker 3>the Secret Service itself has freely admitted that it recognizes

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<v Speaker 3>that they are major issues in the organization that need

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<v Speaker 3>to be corrected, including recognizing that it's ironic that the

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<v Speaker 3>agency started as an entity with the Treasury Department to

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<v Speaker 3>investigate financial crime, and the protection of the president was

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<v Speaker 3>actually a smaller part of it. Their workload. Now it's

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<v Speaker 3>become almost the major focus of the workload because it's

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<v Speaker 3>so much more public than the Financial Primees investigation. So

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<v Speaker 3>there's no denying that there were major, major omissions, deficiencies,

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<v Speaker 3>screw ups basically at almost every aspect of that event.

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<v Speaker 3>In Butler, less so on the golf course incident, the

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<v Speaker 3>second incident. Second incident did reflect, However, one of the

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<v Speaker 3>struggles that the Secret Service does have with its limited

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<v Speaker 3>manpower is the idea of a spontaneous event that the

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<v Speaker 3>president may seek to engage in something they discourage the

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<v Speaker 3>golf course not having enough time to effectively inspect that site,

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<v Speaker 3>if you will, And so going forward they will change

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<v Speaker 3>their protocols on doubtteredly a lot more use of drones,

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<v Speaker 3>for example, securing larger areas. And these events, these near tragedies,

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<v Speaker 3>are always learning exercises in the sense of trying to

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<v Speaker 3>prevent them from occurring in the future. Nation attempts against

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<v Speaker 3>presidents are not new, unfortunately in this country of democracy.

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<v Speaker 3>We celebrate democracy, but unfortunately we have seen to have

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<v Speaker 3>even more assassination attempts than they do elsewhere in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the one in Pennsylvania, it seemed to me that

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<v Speaker 2>that's a roof of a building that was I think

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<v Speaker 2>it was something like one hundred yards away or less

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<v Speaker 2>than one hundred yards away. And what I'm getting is

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<v Speaker 2>that somehow there was a line of communication. They run

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<v Speaker 2>different radio channels, and even though this guy was spotted

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<v Speaker 2>on the roof and there would have been plenty of

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<v Speaker 2>time to get the former president off the stage, that

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<v Speaker 2>was not communicated to the agent of age.

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<v Speaker 3>That issue, Dan, I think is the one that is

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<v Speaker 3>the most frustrating. The New York Times Day had a

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<v Speaker 3>summary of the very large report that it was commenting

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<v Speaker 3>on and reference the idea that is, many of his

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<v Speaker 3>six Secret Service agents were aware of this character that

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<v Speaker 3>was roaming around the area of the event, and yet

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<v Speaker 3>none of them took the initiative to basically not let

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<v Speaker 3>the president get up on the stage, and once he

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<v Speaker 3>was on the stage, get.

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<v Speaker 4>Him off the stage.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's just highlighting something of the Secret Service itself

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<v Speaker 3>has admitted that it is having large turnover. A lot

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<v Speaker 3>of seasoned people leaving the paper today actually have not

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<v Speaker 3>a chance to be the full report, but some of

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<v Speaker 3>the excerpts in the New York Times states reporting that

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<v Speaker 3>the Agent in charge of security for mister Trump had

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<v Speaker 3>only joined the agency four years ago, and she was

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<v Speaker 3>already a team leader the most important assignment of the

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<v Speaker 3>Secret Service, protecting the President, and she only had four

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<v Speaker 3>years on the job and this was one of her

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<v Speaker 3>first assignments in that capacity. So no, a lot to

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<v Speaker 3>be learned from what's going forward. Secret Service is committed

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<v Speaker 3>to doing that. Congress is aren't going to have to

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<v Speaker 3>be committed to adequately funding them for the increased security

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<v Speaker 3>that's now going to be required going forward. And the

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<v Speaker 3>security issues are immens today because we now have these

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<v Speaker 3>concerns about drones outside events, with the issue of drones

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<v Speaker 3>flying over those events and god for offendion ever on,

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<v Speaker 3>and social media encouraging and basically almost enabling it sounds

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<v Speaker 3>kind of like what I see the idea of encouraging

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<v Speaker 3>through social media people to basically become terrorists. And we've

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<v Speaker 3>got a lot of that now with all the hates

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<v Speaker 3>viewing out of social media, that we're creating an enemy

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<v Speaker 3>from within. If you will, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, I want to kit on all of those points

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<v Speaker 2>on Bill. I have a million questions. I got to

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<v Speaker 2>take a quick break. This is a fairly quick commercial break,

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<v Speaker 2>we get back will continue conversation with former bar New

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<v Speaker 2>York Police Commissioner Bill Bratton, chief of police in Los Angeles.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think there's some more respected police authority with

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<v Speaker 2>a wide variety of experience than Bill Bratton. Delighted he's

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<v Speaker 2>with us tonight. As you said, tell he's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a very busy guy this weekend with all the

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<v Speaker 2>police meetings and activity in Boston. And we will get

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<v Speaker 2>to some phone calls. But I have a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>other questions that I got to ask Bill Bratton, and

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<v Speaker 2>on Nightside.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>night Side Studios on w b Z News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Our guest is Bill Bratton. There's so much to say

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<v Speaker 2>about his experience. Most of you know the different places

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<v Speaker 2>that he has served. Bill. I was on a trip

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<v Speaker 2>with listeners from Nightside to Italy in early August, and

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<v Speaker 2>one member of the trip was a guy who was

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<v Speaker 2>fifty two years old. He had retired early from the

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<v Speaker 2>Secret Service. This guy military background. He looked like a

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<v Speaker 2>linebacker for the Patriots. I mean, the sort of person

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<v Speaker 2>who you would want out there protecting the President. But

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<v Speaker 2>he basically said he had burned out that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a whip, military background, and again you know, look like

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<v Speaker 2>he was a professional football player, you know, just to

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<v Speaker 2>lose him that might be what the real problem is

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<v Speaker 2>with the Secret Service right now, is that the good

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<v Speaker 2>people are leaving at such a rate. I got to

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<v Speaker 2>assume that you can identify with that story without me

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<v Speaker 2>telling you much more about this guy. This guy should

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<v Speaker 2>not have been retiring at fifty two years of age.

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<v Speaker 2>He was at the prime of his career.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, his story is not unusual in American law enforcement.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not just a Secret Service problem. It's a problem

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<v Speaker 3>in American policing now. Because of the incredible pressures on

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<v Speaker 3>law enforcement offices from a lot of different directions and anxieties,

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of them are leaving earlier than they did

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<v Speaker 3>during my time. My time, you come on the job

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<v Speaker 3>in your twenties, you stay till sixty five, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>and you've left before that. It was very unusual. But

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<v Speaker 3>today the burnout factor is it's happening much quicker for

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<v Speaker 3>people at the anxiety levels, the mental stress, let alone

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<v Speaker 3>the physical wear and here so the Secret Service experience

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<v Speaker 3>is not unique. But the issue that the Secret Service

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<v Speaker 3>is facing, as was reflected in the conversations the last

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<v Speaker 3>two days from the major city chiefs, almost every one

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<v Speaker 3>of those departments represented here in barcelon the last couple

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<v Speaker 3>of days is talking about the severe personnel shortage is

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<v Speaker 3>that they're facing. I think American police forces are fifty

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<v Speaker 3>two hundred thousand fewer offices than we had at the

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<v Speaker 3>time of the murder of George Floyd, and trying to

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<v Speaker 3>fill that deficiency is very difficult. In secret services, probably

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<v Speaker 3>even more pressured because the nature of what they do.

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<v Speaker 3>Think of it Dan the sense of in this presidential campaign,

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<v Speaker 3>the movements of the presidential candidates, two of them around

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<v Speaker 3>the country doing two or three events a day, and

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<v Speaker 3>a planning that has to go in before that, the

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<v Speaker 3>protection during the event, the movement of equipment, the armored cars,

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<v Speaker 3>the communications gear, and we've all seen the length of

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<v Speaker 3>these presidential convoys, twenty thirty vehicles. A lot of that

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<v Speaker 3>has to be moved every time. That candidate moves, and

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<v Speaker 3>now that they've requiring that, in the case of Trump

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<v Speaker 3>and the vice president, that they receive presidential level protection,

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<v Speaker 3>the stresses on those agents that they're constantly on the move,

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<v Speaker 3>and once they're in a location, then the anxiety ramps

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<v Speaker 3>up because then the challenge is to actually protect the

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<v Speaker 3>physical person a little on over planning before the event.

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<v Speaker 3>That then when the event is underway and they're bringing

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<v Speaker 3>agents from all over the country to basically secure these events,

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<v Speaker 3>Congress is going to have to face up to the

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<v Speaker 3>fact that they're going to have to spend a lot

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<v Speaker 3>more money on to high a lot more agents because effectively,

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<v Speaker 3>these threat situations are probably not going to lessen in

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<v Speaker 3>the future. That social media is here to stay. The

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<v Speaker 3>political hostility is ramping up rather than the client You

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<v Speaker 3>and I have been about a long time and we've

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<v Speaker 3>watched it steadily increase through these election cycles, which for

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<v Speaker 3>the last twenty years, there's so much anger and once

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<v Speaker 3>again in our country there's one hundred some villion guns.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, that becomes another problem in our country, that's

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<v Speaker 2>I want to jump back just for a second, Midus,

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<v Speaker 2>is this eight thousand secret Service agents. They're looking to

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<v Speaker 2>try to bump it up to ten thousand. I know

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<v Speaker 2>that in Boston there have been at least a dozen

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<v Speaker 2>Boston police officers who have left as young police officers

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<v Speaker 2>and have transferred over to become firefighters. I'm sure that

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<v Speaker 2>if that's going on here, it's going on elsewhere, and

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<v Speaker 2>it is. It is the fallout from this horrific incident,

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<v Speaker 2>the George Floyd incident, which I think became very politicized.

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<v Speaker 2>It was one police officer who was a rotten apple

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<v Speaker 2>who obviously took advantage. And I remember watching the video

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<v Speaker 2>of that guy get up off the neck of George

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<v Speaker 2>Floyd and preened around like he was that he had

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<v Speaker 2>done something heroic. That was a guy that should not

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<v Speaker 2>have been a police office. You now have going back,

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<v Speaker 2>and I want to jump back to Butler. I haven't

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<v Speaker 2>seen any information that assassination is now nearly one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>days old, or that assassination attempt is one hundred days old.

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<v Speaker 2>We know nothing. I know nothing more about this kid,

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<v Speaker 2>and yet we were told that he was on encrypted

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<v Speaker 2>websites with people in foreign countries. And do you think

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<v Speaker 2>that we're ever going to get the true story on

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<v Speaker 2>who he was working with. I don't buy the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that this kid got up that morning and said to himself, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to go take a shot at Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, and if he did, what are all the

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<v Speaker 2>encrypted messages about, you know of what I speak?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the issue of encryption interesting enough. The FBI director

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<v Speaker 3>yesterday made a presentation and one of his major points

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<v Speaker 3>of frustration was that with the Apple devices and the

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<v Speaker 3>Mata devices, that the ability to basically get into all

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<v Speaker 3>these smartphones, for example, into laptops, into computers is each

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<v Speaker 3>year is diminishing their ability to get into these devices

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<v Speaker 3>because the manufacturers are basically making them even more difficult

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<v Speaker 3>to penetrate. The encryption is becoming more significant. So I

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<v Speaker 3>think you're correct. I don't think we're ever going to

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<v Speaker 3>know what the hell this kid's motivation was because we're

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<v Speaker 3>probably never going to be able to access a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of what he was doing because it was encrypted.

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<v Speaker 2>Could could not and this is this is part of

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<v Speaker 2>a legal question. Could not I don't know what type

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<v Speaker 2>of phone he had, but but could not the government,

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<v Speaker 2>the FBI go to the manufacturers of the phone and say, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever security precautions you know, that you have in this phone.

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<v Speaker 2>This was the phone owned by the guy that took

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<v Speaker 2>a shot and almost killed a presidential candidate. We want

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<v Speaker 2>you to take that phone and break it down. We

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<v Speaker 2>want to know who he was talking to. And it

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<v Speaker 2>would seem to me maybe you'll up in court, But

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of imagine that that any company under those

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<v Speaker 2>extreme circumstances would fight back and say, no, we have

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<v Speaker 2>to we have to protect the privacy of our of

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the reality is they won't do it, and the

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<v Speaker 3>device is are purposely designed so they cannot be penetrated

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<v Speaker 3>even by the manufacturer. In other words, there's no bare's

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<v Speaker 3>there's no back door. They basically it's one of the cells.

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<v Speaker 3>The selling teachers that your information is protected from even

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<v Speaker 3>us the manufacturer, that we're not secretly applying into your life. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>this issue of encryption is international terrorism. When I was

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<v Speaker 3>commissioner in New York, in particular, that we were frustrated

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<v Speaker 3>at every turn by the inability to get into these homes.

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<v Speaker 3>That and as the FBI Director indicated yesterday, each year

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<v Speaker 3>the ability to get into them is lessened despite the

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<v Speaker 3>increasing capabilities of the FBI. For example, Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Boy, I'll tell you, I think it was Khrushev back

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<v Speaker 2>in the day, said that he would sell the rope

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<v Speaker 2>to the United States, which would hang themselves. There was

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<v Speaker 2>some comment that you have made like that, and that

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<v Speaker 2>almost sounds eerily familiar here, that we're producing products which

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<v Speaker 2>enabled twenty year old kids to be in contact with

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<v Speaker 2>who knows whom he could be. He could have been

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<v Speaker 2>in touch with the cuts forces in Iran for all

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<v Speaker 3>Well, look look at this kids in terms of the

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<v Speaker 3>number of cases underway right now, with these mass murders

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<v Speaker 3>where the parents basically out buying the guns for them,

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<v Speaker 3>and that once again the insanity of our gun laws,

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<v Speaker 3>that even the idea of things that seem that eighty

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<v Speaker 3>five percent of America support, Congress just will not pass

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<v Speaker 3>appropriate legislation. Same thing around the issue of encryption. They

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<v Speaker 3>just will not under stand that we are in this

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<v Speaker 3>incredible crisis in this country of incidents of the creating fear,

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<v Speaker 3>creating the political dissatisfaction that we're experiencing. A lot of

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<v Speaker 3>the have has to do with the frustration that nobody

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<v Speaker 3>seems capable of resolving things of the creating fear, and

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of that you can only wait at the

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<v Speaker 3>footsteps of our Congress.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I agree with you on that. I also think

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<v Speaker 2>it's a good development that a couple of these parents

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<v Speaker 2>in Michigan are now spending time in jail because they

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<v Speaker 2>failed to adequately supervise their child. And this situation exactly,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's just down in Georgia, if I'm not mistaken.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was Georgia where apparently this this kid

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<v Speaker 2>in effect the uh he was in parenta and prentis

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<v Speaker 2>loco and in local parentees. I think the mother was

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<v Speaker 2>out of the picture totally. But maybe he's got to

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<v Speaker 2>go to jail as well as the kid who who

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<v Speaker 2>shot and killed his classmates. You know that's this There's

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<v Speaker 2>got to be some prices to pay. Bill. I got

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<v Speaker 2>a whole bunch of calls, and I I am so

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<v Speaker 2>appreciative of your time. I hope you can stick with

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<v Speaker 2>us for a little bit into the right afternoons, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>go to phone calls. Okay, this is This has been

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<v Speaker 2>an invaluable conversation to me. I learned a lot and

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<v Speaker 2>normally I don't learn is you know, you're so far

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<v Speaker 2>down the down the track for me on some of

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<v Speaker 2>these issues like encryption, I had not even thought about that.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish, I wish the the no no no, I

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<v Speaker 2>totally get it. And there are aspects of my world

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<v Speaker 2>probably enough, but but the aspects of your world it's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot higher stakes. But I think this is an

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity that when I talk to these members of Congress

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<v Speaker 2>now that something needs to be done. You put a

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<v Speaker 2>cell phone in some whack whacky eighteen year olds hands

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<v Speaker 2>who's able to know that he can contact the kud's

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<v Speaker 2>forces in Iran and maybe have money deposited somewhere because

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to do something these Oh my god, there

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<v Speaker 2>has to be Look, if people want to buy cell

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<v Speaker 2>phones that they can't get because they're going to fool

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<v Speaker 2>around with their secretaries or something like that, they got

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<v Speaker 2>to give that up. Okay, you know, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>why anybody wants to if there are cell phones that

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<v Speaker 2>now have this benefit that Laura. Enforcement can't look at

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<v Speaker 2>the cell phone of a person who is deceased. It

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<v Speaker 2>seems to me that the right of privacy of that

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<v Speaker 2>person who is deceased, who's been involved in the potential

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<v Speaker 2>assassination of a president has to be waived. But we'll

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<v Speaker 2>leave the Okay, my acl you friends are going to

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<v Speaker 2>dislike me even more as because of that comment. My guess,

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<v Speaker 2>Bill Broughton going to go to phone calls. If you

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<v Speaker 2>like to join us, you have the numbers, just give

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<v Speaker 1>Right after this, you're on Night Side with Ray on

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<v Speaker 2>With me is Bill Bratton. Name really doesn't need an introduction,

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<v Speaker 2>but he is. It's a large forcement legend, I guess

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<v Speaker 2>would be the way to describe it. Former police commissioner

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<v Speaker 2>here not only in Boston, but in New York twice

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<v Speaker 2>in New York Chief of police in Los Angeles. We've

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<v Speaker 2>touched upon a wide variety of topics. I'll give you

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<v Speaker 2>an opportunity to ask a question or make a quick comment,

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<v Speaker 2>but again, he I want to hear his answers as

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<v Speaker 2>much as I want to hear your questions. Let me

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<v Speaker 2>go first to Joe and Belmont. Joe, you're on with

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<v Speaker 2>former police commissioner of a whole bunch of places, Bill Broughton.

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<v Speaker 2>Go ahead, Joe, God.

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<v Speaker 5>Bless you, Dan and Dan. Nobody does it better than

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<v Speaker 5>you do.

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<v Speaker 2>Favor. I appreciate that, but I want to have you

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<v Speaker 2>talk to Bill brought and go right ahead.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, I have two questions for Commissioner Bill. First, Commissioner Bill, Uh,

430
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<v Speaker 5>you talked about the enemy within if you were going

431
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<v Speaker 5>to write a special delivery letter to the next president,

432
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<v Speaker 5>what checks the balances and what solutions could you offer

433
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<v Speaker 5>to stop the enemy within and the fake news? And

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<v Speaker 5>my second question is, Uh, do you think there's too

435
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<v Speaker 5>much secrecy involved in the people who are doing the

436
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<v Speaker 5>fake news?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you take the answer off here, Joe. I think

438
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<v Speaker 2>the area of fake news or good news is really

439
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<v Speaker 2>not Phil Bratton's area. Bill, I'll let you off the

440
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<v Speaker 2>hook on that one.

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<v Speaker 3>No, necessarily, Dan, because he was part of what what

442
00:26:53.319 --> 00:26:58.880
<v Speaker 3>creates so much of the fear, anxiety, hatred, and I

443
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<v Speaker 3>wish there was a resolution to it. But once again,

444
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<v Speaker 3>we have a First Amendment in this country, freedom and speech,

445
00:27:08.119 --> 00:27:12.880
<v Speaker 3>and a lot of language is even though it appears

446
00:27:12.920 --> 00:27:16.119
<v Speaker 3>to be threatening, appears to be hateful, is protected, and

447
00:27:16.720 --> 00:27:24.519
<v Speaker 3>it's in many respects allowed to multiply because of the

448
00:27:24.839 --> 00:27:27.400
<v Speaker 3>incredible social media world that we have created in the

449
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<v Speaker 3>last twenty five years. You figured the smartphones didn't come

450
00:27:30.200 --> 00:27:33.160
<v Speaker 3>along to two thousand and six. It's only eighteen years ago.

451
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<v Speaker 3>And look at there's eight bay of them in the

452
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<v Speaker 3>world today, almost as many as of our people. So

453
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<v Speaker 3>that the gentleman's comment about the fake news is it

454
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<v Speaker 3>is an element of so much of the concern that

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<v Speaker 3>we have today, and even in talking about the election,

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<v Speaker 3>the upcoming president's election, the concern about something we never

457
00:27:53.720 --> 00:27:56.680
<v Speaker 3>used to worry about this country, the validity of our

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<v Speaker 3>election process, and even in the the former presidents concerns

459
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<v Speaker 3>or allegations about a higed election. Nobody has been ever

460
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<v Speaker 3>to basically prove or find that, but it's still out

461
00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:17.440
<v Speaker 3>there as fake news. So it's again, it's an element

462
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<v Speaker 3>of our world today that we don't have an answer

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<v Speaker 3>for because in oposiety in particular, we allow freedom and

464
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<v Speaker 3>speech and as long as it does in rise to

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<v Speaker 3>the level of actually creating a crime, go go at it. Unfortunately.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think also the part of the problem is

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<v Speaker 2>that a lot of Americans, they are in a news

468
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<v Speaker 2>cycle a silo, and that they only watch news programming

469
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<v Speaker 2>that they are comfortable with and reinforces whatever point of

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<v Speaker 2>view they have, and I think that has contributed to

471
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<v Speaker 2>this as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Because if you're exactly in terms of Fox viewership, MSNBC

473
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<v Speaker 3>viewership that I try to basically watch the walls to

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<v Speaker 3>just get at that. I've always enjoyed the news, I'm

475
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<v Speaker 3>sorry to would buy four or five papers New York Times,

476
00:29:07.599 --> 00:29:11.519
<v Speaker 3>Terroll's Traveler, the Globe, and you know that's how I

477
00:29:11.519 --> 00:29:14.200
<v Speaker 3>stopped my day. But now you can sit there with

478
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<v Speaker 3>that smilephone in your hand and basically access twenty to

479
00:29:17.519 --> 00:29:21.599
<v Speaker 3>thirty of them. But people still tend to gravitate toward

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00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:28.079
<v Speaker 3>basically the news source that that satisfies their need for information,

481
00:29:28.599 --> 00:29:30.720
<v Speaker 3>and they don't bound some on the channels as much

482
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<v Speaker 3>as we used to when we were younger.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would call it the need for reinforcement too,

484
00:29:34.839 --> 00:29:39.799
<v Speaker 2>of their beliefs and ideas, you know, of ratification of

485
00:29:39.839 --> 00:29:42.519
<v Speaker 2>what they happen to believe in. So yeah, let's let's

486
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<v Speaker 2>keep rolling here. Joe, appreciate your question. Thank you very

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<v Speaker 2>much for the call. Let me go next to out

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<v Speaker 2>of country, up to Darryl in New Brunswick, Canada. Daryl

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<v Speaker 2>next on nice side with Commissioner Bill Bratton.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, how do you Commissioner and how do you Dan?

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<v Speaker 4>I hope things are well? What I'd like to ask,

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<v Speaker 4>is we're talking about conflict and all the different geopolitics

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<v Speaker 4>and what not going on, is North Korea if I

494
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<v Speaker 4>can ask the question. My understanding is North Korea is

495
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<v Speaker 4>still under truce with the US, and if they're participating

496
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<v Speaker 4>with Russia in North to participate in Ukraine, would that

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<v Speaker 4>not become an active war and that would would that

498
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<v Speaker 4>be a problem nowadays as well?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well again we're getting into the era of international

500
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<v Speaker 2>relations there again. I want to if Bill Braden wants

501
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<v Speaker 2>the way into that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that that that one I'll stay away from because

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<v Speaker 3>this area of any expertise at all.

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<v Speaker 2>You're correct, Daryl Darryl in that there was never a

505
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<v Speaker 2>peace treaty UH signed between the United States and North

506
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<v Speaker 2>Korea out of the Korean More UH, and so it

507
00:30:56.359 --> 00:30:58.960
<v Speaker 2>technically we are still at war with North Korea. But

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<v Speaker 2>from a practical point of view, North Korea does a

509
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<v Speaker 2>lot of weird stuff. I did read the articles that

510
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<v Speaker 2>you talked about, Daryl, that there are somehow some North

511
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<v Speaker 2>Korean troops that have are joined with Russian forces on

512
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<v Speaker 2>the ground in Ukraine, which to me is.

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<v Speaker 1>Cool.

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<v Speaker 4>I wasn't trying to cause a proble, No, no, no, No, you're.

515
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<v Speaker 2>Not going to cause it. No, But it's a good question.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a good question. But I think unless you have

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<v Speaker 2>one that relates more to what's going on in this country,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm concerned about the potential of assassination squads. Do you

519
00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:38.720
<v Speaker 2>feel Bill that that is overblown or is there something

520
00:31:38.720 --> 00:31:39.880
<v Speaker 2>that actually exists?

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<v Speaker 4>I know.

522
00:31:42.039 --> 00:31:44.359
<v Speaker 2>In Europe, I do know that.

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<v Speaker 3>It's something of concern to American law enforcement. Once again,

524
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<v Speaker 3>the ability to inspire, maybe not necessarily direct, but through

525
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<v Speaker 3>the social media. It's kind of how I SES grew

526
00:31:58.240 --> 00:32:03.000
<v Speaker 3>as rapidly as it did. Al Qaeda was never basically

527
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<v Speaker 3>active on social media, but ICs was, and look at

528
00:32:05.720 --> 00:32:08.640
<v Speaker 3>how quickly they grew had their own caliphate for a while. No,

529
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<v Speaker 3>so the idea of Iran maybe not necessarily directing an

530
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<v Speaker 3>actual assassination of violence effort, but certainly being in a

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<v Speaker 3>position to encourage it, to inspire it, to provide information

532
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<v Speaker 3>about how to do it. And we've seen much, much,

533
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<v Speaker 3>a lot of reporting in recent weeks about Iran trying

534
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<v Speaker 3>to interfere in our elections. That and you know, that's

535
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<v Speaker 3>widely known and understood to be an actual threat in

536
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<v Speaker 3>terms of their efforts to try and interfere with the

537
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<v Speaker 3>elections that are underway commonly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I'm I'm actually the stuff that I'm seeing

539
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<v Speaker 2>is that Iran has used their agents assassination attempts in Europe.

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<v Speaker 3>And well, that's that is that is known in the

541
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<v Speaker 3>sense of whether that rises the level of basically going

542
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<v Speaker 3>after one of our presidential candidates, I'm not sure that

543
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<v Speaker 3>there's been any ability to actually prove that want of speculation.

544
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and the suggestion is even former officials in both parties.

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<v Speaker 2>As I've often said to people, Uh, some of these

546
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<v Speaker 2>countries around the world hate us. And one of the

547
00:33:27.880 --> 00:33:32.039
<v Speaker 2>reasons that we should be more unified as Americans is

548
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<v Speaker 2>that there are countries around the world that hate us.

549
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<v Speaker 2>They don't care what gender we are, they don't care

550
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<v Speaker 2>what political party we are, they don't care if we

551
00:33:39.559 --> 00:33:41.799
<v Speaker 2>root for the Red Sox or the Yankees. They just

552
00:33:41.839 --> 00:33:44.400
<v Speaker 2>want to kill Americans. Those guys on the planes that

553
00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:49.480
<v Speaker 2>crashed into, uh, into the World Trade centers, uh, you know,

554
00:33:49.559 --> 00:33:52.759
<v Speaker 2>one of which flew out of Boston, they didn't take

555
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<v Speaker 2>any sort of account on board and say to the

556
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<v Speaker 2>people who were most of them, Oh, we're gonna we're

557
00:33:58.480 --> 00:34:01.359
<v Speaker 2>gonna land first and let you off. They killed Americans

558
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<v Speaker 2>of all backgrounds and faiths because they were Americans or

559
00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:07.480
<v Speaker 2>they were in American and and I think that we

560
00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:10.480
<v Speaker 2>have forgotten that lesson in my in my opinion, and

561
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<v Speaker 2>they feel the same way, Daryl, towards Canadians as well.

562
00:34:14.199 --> 00:34:18.559
<v Speaker 2>They see our systems as much more uh you know,

563
00:34:18.719 --> 00:34:23.440
<v Speaker 2>much much more secular, as opposed to the the theocracy

564
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<v Speaker 2>under which they function. Darryl, I appreciate the call.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I'd like to say thank you all for your service.

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<v Speaker 4>And uh, all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Darryl, appreciate very much. We have a lot of

568
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<v Speaker 2>listeners up in Canada. Bill, I have a few more callers,

569
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<v Speaker 2>and I got a few more minutes with you, and

570
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<v Speaker 2>I promised to let you go by eleven o'clock. You generously.

571
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<v Speaker 3>I'm enjoying working on my Boston accent. And again, hearing

572
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<v Speaker 3>that accent of north of the border was very interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, Yes, we get a lot of accents. We have

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<v Speaker 2>people literally from all over the world. I mean, obviously

575
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<v Speaker 2>you know as a Bostonian that Z has a great

576
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:03.079
<v Speaker 2>terrestrial radio signal, but we get him from all over

577
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<v Speaker 2>the world.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I'll tell you the Bostonian accent is love when

579
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<v Speaker 3>I give my speeches around the country. No, people are

580
00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:13.519
<v Speaker 3>people are fascinating, and I have a pretty pronounced one,

581
00:35:13.880 --> 00:35:17.760
<v Speaker 3>and it's uh. They're usually very complimentary about it. They

582
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<v Speaker 3>like it, which is which is endearing.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I get that I tried a long time ago

584
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<v Speaker 2>to learn how to pronounce my rs so I could

585
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<v Speaker 2>stay in television and radio.

586
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<v Speaker 3>And yeah, well it's as you know that it's not

587
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<v Speaker 3>the idea that it's the letter. It's a H. We

588
00:35:33.960 --> 00:35:37.599
<v Speaker 3>tend to stay a H rather than uh the letter

589
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<v Speaker 3>up and so all the jokes about the Boston it's

590
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<v Speaker 3>really a H that.

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<v Speaker 2>It was the old park your car in Harvard Yard, exactly.

592
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<v Speaker 3>Syllable.

593
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<v Speaker 2>We should have taken declamation or something at uh and

594
00:35:59.719 --> 00:36:03.199
<v Speaker 2>I school had been better, but then we would lose

595
00:36:03.239 --> 00:36:05.960
<v Speaker 2>our charm as Bostonians. Moving back a Nice Side with

596
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<v Speaker 2>Bill Bratton for a few more calls right after this.

597
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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World

598
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<v Speaker 1>night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess this Bill Brett really needs no introduction at

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<v Speaker 2>this point. Eric in Attleborough. Eric, you're next on Nice.

601
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<v Speaker 2>I'd like to get you in at least one more

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<v Speaker 2>in Please Eric, go right.

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<v Speaker 6>Ahead, Hey, Jan how you doing tonight?

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<v Speaker 2>We do a great I'm running out of time, Go right,

605
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<v Speaker 2>go ahead.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, I want to get straight into the point

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<v Speaker 6>number one. The number one point is that something I

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<v Speaker 6>found it interesting when someone mentioned fake news earlier on

609
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<v Speaker 6>I did a Google search.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd rather ask your question and honest, Erica, I'm not

611
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<v Speaker 2>interested in debatings. Uh, you know fake news. Have a

612
00:36:50.639 --> 00:36:53.000
<v Speaker 2>question from my guests, please, it's it's a very important

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<v Speaker 2>guest to me.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I mean, I I mean, I'd like to know,

615
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<v Speaker 6>you know. I mean as far as Iran being an adversary,

616
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<v Speaker 6>I mean who, who, who appoints them as that?

617
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<v Speaker 3>As such?

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, who has that authority? And why I think

619
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<v Speaker 6>they were actions.

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<v Speaker 2>In the Middle East? And again we're getting into into

621
00:37:16.239 --> 00:37:19.440
<v Speaker 2>international stuff to hear that. I don't know that this

622
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<v Speaker 2>is comfortable for Bill Bratt, and I'm sure he has

623
00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:24.960
<v Speaker 2>thoughts personal thoughts on it, but I'm going to let

624
00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:27.639
<v Speaker 2>him off the hook on this one. We certainly have

625
00:37:27.679 --> 00:37:30.679
<v Speaker 2>seen what Iron has done in terms of taking American

626
00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:34.679
<v Speaker 2>hostages some forty four years ago and holding them for

627
00:37:34.679 --> 00:37:38.559
<v Speaker 2>four hundred and forty four days right to the bombardment

628
00:37:38.599 --> 00:37:39.079
<v Speaker 2>of Israel.

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<v Speaker 6>True but also we've seen I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Going I'm going to next call to get a question

631
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<v Speaker 2>with Bill Brown. Bill, if you want to jump in

632
00:37:48.400 --> 00:37:50.519
<v Speaker 2>here and make a comment. I just feel that that

633
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<v Speaker 2>that's an area.

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<v Speaker 3>That no, once again they thought try and keep us

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<v Speaker 3>focused on that areas I concentrate on, which is primarily

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<v Speaker 3>law enforcement on security.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm happy about that. Let me go to Christy in Manchester,

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<v Speaker 2>New Hampshire. Christy, you have a question for my guest,

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<v Speaker 2>Bill Broughton.

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<v Speaker 7>Police, I do, so, what does he feel about bail

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<v Speaker 7>reform when it results and reoffended people reoffending, so in

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<v Speaker 7>other words, they're let out bail.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we know exactly some of the bail funds as

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<v Speaker 2>law enforcement, I assume that that has to disquiet you.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a trend in this country to let people

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<v Speaker 2>out for ansumption of instance is important, but sometimes there

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<v Speaker 2>are people who were turned back out in the street

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<v Speaker 2>and by time the police officer, they're out of court

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<v Speaker 2>and back in the street by time the police officer

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<v Speaker 2>files this report. Go ahead, Bill.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I can't speak to what's been going on here

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<v Speaker 3>in Boston, Massachusetts with any real awareness and knowledge, but

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<v Speaker 3>certainly in New York, New York City. It's been a disaster.

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<v Speaker 3>Well intended and well needed reforms of the bail practices

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<v Speaker 3>in New York, but they went too far to the

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<v Speaker 3>effect that you can't basically put people in jail. And

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<v Speaker 3>he worked for some very significant offenses. And the papers

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<v Speaker 3>in New York every day, the New York Post, for example,

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<v Speaker 3>almost every day has examples of the failure of the

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<v Speaker 3>bail reform and issues of the legislature of New York

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<v Speaker 3>in twenty nineteen, twenty eighteen to raise the age, raising

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<v Speaker 3>the idea that you go after somebody unless they eighteen

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<v Speaker 3>years of age for serious crime. Now, New York, a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of the crises and crime that was created devise

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<v Speaker 3>and crime and the struggle to reduce crime has been

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<v Speaker 3>impacted severely by well intended but unfortunately not unexpected negative

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<v Speaker 3>consequences in terms of I'm sorry, there's bad people in society,

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<v Speaker 3>and those bad people need to be kept away from

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<v Speaker 3>the rest of us in New York and its legislature,

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<v Speaker 3>and some of those political leadership just don't believe that

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<v Speaker 3>anybody should go to jail, and I'm sorry that some

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<v Speaker 3>people do need to be in jail.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what well quick follow up question to what Chris

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<v Speaker 2>has asked, do you feel that the trend in this

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<v Speaker 2>country where our federal officers, particularly ICE officers, have been

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<v Speaker 2>almost locked out of cooperation with police departments in major

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<v Speaker 2>cities by a lot of the progressive politicians does.

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<v Speaker 3>Need Sanctuary cities were once again a well intended idea,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's gotten out of control to the extent that

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<v Speaker 3>New York City, for example, really almost precludes in almost

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<v Speaker 3>every instance, allowing the police to deal with ICE. In

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<v Speaker 3>terms of dealing with particularly now at the migrant situation,

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<v Speaker 3>the Venezuelan gangs and now having impact in over twenty

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<v Speaker 3>American cities and an organized gang coming out of Venezuela.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't get rid of them because many of the

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<v Speaker 3>cities a sanctuary cities where the politicians don't allow the

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<v Speaker 3>police to co op collaborate, collaborate with the federal agencies

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<v Speaker 3>to get these people out of our seas, get them

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<v Speaker 3>in a jail, and get them out of the country.

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<v Speaker 3>So there's a well intended policies that basically have had terrible,

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<v Speaker 3>terrible consequences.

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<v Speaker 2>Chris, thank you, Thank you for the question. Was an

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<v Speaker 2>excellent question, and I hope you enjoyed the answer. Thank

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<v Speaker 2>you so much, Bill Bratt, and I enjoyed our conversation

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<v Speaker 2>tonight as always. Thank you for the generosity of your time,

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<v Speaker 2>any response, any night you want, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you. Thanks for the opportunity to refresh my Boston accent.

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<v Speaker 2>Please say hi to your beautiful wife, Ricky school classmate of.

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<v Speaker 3>A few years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, thanks Bill brad Well.

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<v Speaker 3>The two of you have done very well after law school,

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<v Speaker 3>that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Well she's done exceptionally well, as did you. I think

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<v Speaker 2>she I think she may you married up, my friend.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks so much.

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<v Speaker 3>If we'll talk I will not argue with you on

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<v Speaker 3>that one.

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<v Speaker 2>Bill Bradton, thanks very much. We'll talk to and look

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<v Speaker 2>forward to seeing you.

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<v Speaker 1>Have a good night.

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<v Speaker 3>See you and you're listening to all the best, my

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<v Speaker 3>best right back at you.

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<v Speaker 2>When we come back. When a little bit long, they apologize, Rob.

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<v Speaker 2>When we come back after the eleven o'clock news, we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to the twentieth hour and we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about traffic etiquette. I think we're going to have some

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<v Speaker 2>fun