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<v Speaker 1>It's Nightside with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks very much to call. You are indeed the best.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Dan Ray. I'm the host of Nightside

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<v Speaker 2>with Dan Ray, the appropriately named program, and tonight Rob

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<v Speaker 2>Brooks has taken the night off and in studio back

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<v Speaker 2>in the the big control room at Broadcast headquarters is

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Templeton. So please be good to Mike when you

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<v Speaker 2>call in after nine o'clock. We're going to be talking

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<v Speaker 2>about some interesting issues tonight. We're going to ask you

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<v Speaker 2>at ten o'clock or at some point later tonight, whether

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<v Speaker 2>you're rethinking your airline travel with all the problems and

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<v Speaker 2>cooling the problem today with that plane out of Atlanta

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<v Speaker 2>that had to go back to the airport smoking the cabin.

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<v Speaker 2>And then at nine o'clock we're going to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>prosecution and deportation. What is the best path to follow

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<v Speaker 2>when someone is here illegally and they are charged with

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<v Speaker 2>a serious crime, a violent crime. This seems to be

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of a split between local officials and

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<v Speaker 2>the Trump administration. If you read the front top of

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<v Speaker 2>the fold piece in the Boston Globe this morning was

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<v Speaker 2>a really interesting piece. We'll get to all of that,

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<v Speaker 2>I promise. But first we're going to start off with

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<v Speaker 2>our guests this evening, and we will begin with our

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<v Speaker 2>first guest tonight, Jonathan Bird. Jonathan is going to tell

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<v Speaker 2>us about a new movie, special movie called Call of

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<v Speaker 2>the Dolphins. He's the producer. I think this is truly

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<v Speaker 2>his project. Jonathan Bird, you're the film's director, and you're

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<v Speaker 2>also a native, a local guy from North Reading. Tell

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<v Speaker 2>us a little bit about yourself, then I want to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about the film. How'd you get into this business?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, it's funny. I got into this business

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<v Speaker 3>because of I needed a gym credit in college, I

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<v Speaker 3>believe it or not. Yeah, yeah, I couldn't believe that

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<v Speaker 3>when I was in college. You know, you're paying all

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<v Speaker 3>this money to go to school and then they make

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<v Speaker 3>you take fizz ed. But you know, as it turns out,

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<v Speaker 3>they offered scuba diving as a fized credit. And I'm

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<v Speaker 3>in love with the ocean, and so I guess the

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<v Speaker 3>fizz ed credit was kind of a good thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope you went to a southern school and you

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<v Speaker 2>weren't scuba diving off the coast of Maine in the

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<v Speaker 2>middle of the winter.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I went to Worcester Polytech Electrical Engineering and I

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<v Speaker 3>did I did my my open water checkout dives in

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<v Speaker 3>Gloucester in like thirty degree water in March, and I

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<v Speaker 3>froze my butt off.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, no dolphins with you on those dives, that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>So so you, I assume have spent a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>time underwater and a lot of times a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>time with dolphins. I'm led to believe. I'm no expert,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm told that dolphins are incredibly intelligent, and to

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<v Speaker 2>some extent, they have a lot of similarities with those

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<v Speaker 2>of us who are more landa based human beings.

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<v Speaker 3>Dolphins are definitely very intelligent, and I have a funny

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<v Speaker 3>feeling that they're actually they can be. They can be

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<v Speaker 3>kind of a bunch of like jokesters. Like they love

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<v Speaker 3>to they love to sneak up on you. They love

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<v Speaker 3>to slap you with their you know, their fins when

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<v Speaker 3>you're not looking. They're they're kind of fun animals. And

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<v Speaker 3>I did my first trip with dolphins in ninety five,

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<v Speaker 3>actually thirty years ago. And in fact, the very first

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<v Speaker 3>trip I did with dolphins in the Bahamas with was

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<v Speaker 3>with a guy named Captain Wayne Scott Smith, who's kind

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<v Speaker 3>of a dolphin whisperer who runs a boat where people

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<v Speaker 3>swim with wild dolphins, and thirty years later he is

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<v Speaker 3>one of the stars of this film. So we developed

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<v Speaker 3>kind of a lifelong friendship and I got to come

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<v Speaker 3>full circle and make a film where he is part

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<v Speaker 3>of the action. So that was really kind of exciting.

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<v Speaker 2>So now the film, the movie, how long is it?

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, it's on the giant screen at the

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<v Speaker 2>New England Aquarium Simon's Theater. But how use is the video?

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<v Speaker 3>It's forty minutes, which is kind of the standard length

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<v Speaker 3>for these films. And it's a film about people who

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<v Speaker 3>love dolphins. I have the snarky answer when people ask

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<v Speaker 3>me what's the film about? I say dolphins. But really

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<v Speaker 3>it's not a film about dolphins. It's a film about

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<v Speaker 3>people who love dolphins. It's a film that features, for example,

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<v Speaker 3>I thought out on Cape Cod where they rescue as

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<v Speaker 3>many as four hundred dolphins a year to get stuck

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<v Speaker 3>in Cape Cod when the tide goes down and they're

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<v Speaker 3>stuck on the mud banks. It features researchers, for example,

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<v Speaker 3>down in Sarasota, Florida, and in Hawaii, that are studying

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<v Speaker 3>wild dolphins. And it also features my buddy, Captain Wayne

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<v Speaker 3>Scott Smith, who's kind of a dolphin whisperer. He's been

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<v Speaker 3>swimming with dolphins for forty years and they know him personally,

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<v Speaker 3>so he literally has one on one relationship with hundreds

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<v Speaker 3>of dolphins that he recognizes and recognize him.

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<v Speaker 2>That's amazing. I can't wait to see this now. You

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<v Speaker 2>said it's about forty minutes long, and the film made

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<v Speaker 2>its world debut, so it's already had his debut at

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<v Speaker 2>the New England Aquarium. How long is it going to

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<v Speaker 2>be there for people to enjoy?

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<v Speaker 3>What's interesting about you mentioned the world debut. What's interesting

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<v Speaker 3>about that is this is my fourth Giant screen film

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<v Speaker 3>and it's the first one that had its world premiere

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<v Speaker 3>in my hometown. So I was really excited that we

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<v Speaker 3>had our premiere in Boston and we had a big

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<v Speaker 3>event and we had all of our friends and it

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<v Speaker 3>was great fun. And they have signed on. They don't

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<v Speaker 3>sign on for how long they're going to show it.

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<v Speaker 3>They sign on for how many showings it's going to have.

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<v Speaker 3>They've signed on for seven hundred screenings of the show,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's at least a year, at least a year. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>so I don't know exactly how.

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<v Speaker 2>How many screen are there during a week. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>do they do one a day? I mean, obviously seven

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<v Speaker 2>hundred I can do the math. We're talking about that,

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<v Speaker 2>so nearly two years if they just do one a day.

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<v Speaker 2>But do they have multiple showings during the Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean it can change.

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<v Speaker 4>Right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Right now it's showing I think four times a day.

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<v Speaker 3>It alternates with another film, so but that could change

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<v Speaker 3>him as the film has been in the theater longer,

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<v Speaker 3>they may bring in another film and then drop the

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<v Speaker 3>number of screenings. But yeah, it's it's playing several times

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<v Speaker 3>a day at least for the next year.

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<v Speaker 2>So great is this exclusive to the New England Aquarium

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<v Speaker 2>And no one's going to be able to see this

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<v Speaker 2>on HBO. We're Cinemax at least for a while.

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<v Speaker 3>So this is a giant screen film and they're really

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<v Speaker 3>they're shot and edited to be seen on really big screens,

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<v Speaker 3>and you would never get the right experience to see

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<v Speaker 3>it on like Netflix or something. It's just the screen

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<v Speaker 3>would be too small. And also it's in three D

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<v Speaker 3>and three D is really awesome on a giant screen

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<v Speaker 3>and people always think, oh, three D I'm not gonna

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<v Speaker 3>like it. Trust me when I tell you the three

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<v Speaker 3>D on this is really nicely done. People are gonna

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<v Speaker 3>love it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, perfect, you've convinced me. I guess people. The easiest

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<v Speaker 2>thing is they need to just get to the aquarium,

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<v Speaker 2>which is anyaq dot org. We'll give the aquarium acall,

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<v Speaker 2>get some tickets, figure out when it works for their families,

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<v Speaker 2>and get down and see the call of the dolphins.

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<v Speaker 2>And we're not talking about the Miami Dolphins.

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<v Speaker 4>No we're not.

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<v Speaker 3>We're definitely talking about actual dolphins that go underwater.

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<v Speaker 2>All rights. That's great. I love it. I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good line, Jonathan. I appreciate what you do.

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<v Speaker 2>What's your next project? If I could ask, or can

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<v Speaker 2>you tell us?

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<v Speaker 3>So we're working on a film about what happens in

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<v Speaker 3>the ocean at night, but it won't be out for

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of years, so definiteenty of time to go,

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<v Speaker 3>go go get called a dolphins.

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<v Speaker 2>Got We're gonna go see the dolphins, that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>So again it's any for New England AQ for aquarium

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<v Speaker 2>just lowercase ANYAQ dot org and the number can be

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<v Speaker 2>found pretty easily at that website and get yourself some

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<v Speaker 2>tickets and get in and see the call of the Dolphins.

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<v Speaker 2>I really do appreciate Jonathan taking the time and congratulations

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<v Speaker 2>on this. Sounds like a magnificent video. Thank you, Thanks

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<v Speaker 2>so much.

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<v Speaker 4>Dan, You're very welcome.

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<v Speaker 2>Well we get back. We're gonna go from the Dolphins

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<v Speaker 2>to Bob Dylan. I will explain. My name is Dan Ray.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Nightside, heard every Monday through Friday night right

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<v Speaker 2>Bob Dylan with somebody who is an expert on an

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<v Speaker 2>upcoming Bob Dylan auction.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray line from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>night Side Studios on WBZ the News.

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<v Speaker 2>Radio, joining us as the executive vice president at our auction,

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<v Speaker 2>Bobby Livingston. Bobby has been with us before, he gets it.

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<v Speaker 2>He understands how exciting some of these live auctions can be. Bobby,

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to night Side.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks, Dan, It's good to talk to you again.

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<v Speaker 2>Man. A lot of people love, you know, sports auctions,

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<v Speaker 2>but this is an auction dealing with Bob Dylan. Obviously

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<v Speaker 2>there's a movie out right now dealing with Bob Dylan.

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<v Speaker 2>So Bob Dylan is a pretty hot commodity right now.

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<v Speaker 2>And you have several Bob Dylan items, the Bob Dylan's

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<v Speaker 2>first demo tape tape, it was the original master recording

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<v Speaker 2>that's going to be up for auction. And you've also

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<v Speaker 2>got the collection of an individual by the name of

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<v Speaker 2>Bob Newworth. I do not know who Bob Newworth is,

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<v Speaker 2>but obviously he must have been a big Bob Dylan collector.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, Bob Newarth was like Bob Dylan's best friend. When

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<v Speaker 4>you saw the movie the Plame movie, the guy that

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<v Speaker 4>is in the bar were doing hit, that's Newworth. And

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<v Speaker 4>so the character of Bob Neworth is in the movie,

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<v Speaker 4>and he was in Don't Look Back. But Bob Neworth

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<v Speaker 4>was a great artist that was here in Boston. Not

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<v Speaker 4>only a folks singer, but he was he was also

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<v Speaker 4>a pretty prominent artist.

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<v Speaker 2>I went on to be will admit to you, Bob,

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<v Speaker 2>if he had been like a backup shortstop for the

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<v Speaker 2>Red Sox in the seventies. I would know his name.

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<v Speaker 2>We all have our wheelhouse. Or if he had been

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a city councilor in Salem back in the

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighties, I probably would know his or her name.

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<v Speaker 2>But I again, that's why you're here. You're the expert,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're gonna give us a lot of the background

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<v Speaker 2>and the perspective on this. So. So is this how

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<v Speaker 2>the Bob Newarth collection came to be, because obviously it

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<v Speaker 2>looks as if he has some some great Bob Dylan materials. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean he played on stage with Bob Dylan during

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<v Speaker 4>the Rollings under Review, which which the was the big

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<v Speaker 4>tour around New England in the in the seventies, like

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<v Speaker 4>in seventy five and seventy six. So it was a

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<v Speaker 4>pretty famous tour of Bob Dylan when he painted his

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<v Speaker 4>face white. You remember those dann You remember those shots?

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe not, but anyway, I was hanging at.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, seventy five team was pretty good. I can understand this.

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<v Speaker 2>I know who Bob Dylan was h and he still is.

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<v Speaker 4>He's still alive, right, correct, very much.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to put him in past edge. He's

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<v Speaker 2>not up there in the big juke box with Elvis

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<v Speaker 2>at this point. No, I get that, No, but I

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<v Speaker 2>I'm excited talking to you about Bob Dylan. So I

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<v Speaker 2>but I got to ask you these questions. So tell

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<v Speaker 4>Go ahead, Well we've got his. You know that those

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<v Speaker 4>nudy CITs that the country Western stars used to wear,

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<v Speaker 4>that with all the sparkles and the rhinestones and the

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<v Speaker 4>designs on them. Well we've got Bob Newarth's that Bob

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<v Speaker 4>Dylan bought for him to wear on this Rolling Thunder tour.

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<v Speaker 4>And so he actually wore this particular Newy suit at

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<v Speaker 4>a very famous concert called Knight of the Hurricane uh

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<v Speaker 4>in in Houston. So these are Dan, stick with me.

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<v Speaker 4>These are really cool things. Let me tell you, this

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<v Speaker 2>And trust me, it's like you're telling me that you

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<v Speaker 2>got the bet that Ted Williams at his final home

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<v Speaker 2>run off of Jack Fish Sure on September twenty eighth

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<v Speaker 2>here at Fenway Park in nineteen sixty. I get it,

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<v Speaker 2>I get it, keep going, tell me more.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, there's also a guitar that Bob Dylan bought for

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<v Speaker 4>Newarth in New York City that he played on this

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<v Speaker 4>whole tour. There's lots of video and photographs of Newarth

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<v Speaker 4>and Dylan with this particular car So guitar. So that's

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<v Speaker 4>really cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Bob Dylan's first demo tape. I would assume that that

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<v Speaker 2>would be something that any artist would keep for you,

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<v Speaker 2>for well, for the family.

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<v Speaker 4>The first demo tape is actually from a different consigner,

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<v Speaker 4>which is Bob Dylan's very first manager, Terry Tall, who

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<v Speaker 4>who she was married to, Davon Rock, another Folks singer

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<v Speaker 4>in New York. So Dylan asked her to be his

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<v Speaker 4>manager and she made this tape. She made this tape

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<v Speaker 4>to get him gigs at forty seven here in Boston

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<v Speaker 4>and uh and uh so this is coming right from

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<v Speaker 4>her collection. It's the it's the first professional demo tape

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<v Speaker 4>that was ever made of Bob. It wasn't done in

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<v Speaker 4>a studio, It was done in the Gaslight Cafe in

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<v Speaker 4>New York. But it sounds great and it actually worked.

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<v Speaker 2>This is this is an honest question. I certainly know

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<v Speaker 2>who Bob Dylan was. But but again, I was not.

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<v Speaker 4>Hanging on Bob Dylan.

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<v Speaker 2>Is I forget I already made that point before. Boys,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to get to you. What I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 2>get from you is I. When Jimmy Buffett passed, I

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<v Speaker 2>was surprised to learn that Buffett had played a lot

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<v Speaker 2>in his early career here at clubs in Boston, which

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<v Speaker 2>kind of surprised me. How how much was Bob Dylan

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<v Speaker 2>a part of the music scene in Boston as he

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<v Speaker 2>was starting out.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, He's famously on his first record he talks about

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<v Speaker 4>I'm learning the song baby let Me follow you down

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<v Speaker 4>that Rick von Schmidt taught him, and he said, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I learned him the in Harvard Yard, so in Cambridge,

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<v Speaker 4>so Dylan, So yeah, so Dylan. Dylan uh made a

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<v Speaker 4>point of coming to Boston and playing several times before

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<v Speaker 4>he really hit it big. So he was around. There

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<v Speaker 4>was a vibrant, vibrant folks scene here that Dylan wanted

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<v Speaker 4>to be a part of before he was famous.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me get Let me give you a tip that

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<v Speaker 2>that might be of some help to you. Dylan did

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<v Speaker 2>spend time in Cambridge, and he spent a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>time with Harvey Silverglade, who's a well known lawyer UH

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<v Speaker 2>in Cambridge. Uh and his wife Elsa, and Elsa took

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of pictures of Bob Dylan. So I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>weird that that Dylan in time, you know, in the

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<v Speaker 2>Boston Cambridge area. But I wasn't sure, you know, if

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<v Speaker 2>you played at Club Passim or or whatever, you know

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<v Speaker 2>Paul's mall. I mean, I'm just wondering if you know,

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<v Speaker 2>off he had some of the locale locations that he

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<v Speaker 2>that he appeared at.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he played at pass he played it, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>forty seven, and he and he played folk festivals and

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<v Speaker 4>you know, as he got bigger, he played the bigger

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<v Speaker 4>the bigger auditoriums. But yeah, he was definitely here. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know all all the names of the old folk clubs,

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<v Speaker 4>but for sure Club forty seven.

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<v Speaker 2>So when is the auction and and what can folks do?

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<v Speaker 2>Is this a live auction or is this one that

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<v Speaker 2>people will participate in remotely?

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<v Speaker 4>It's it's online. It's at our website at our auction

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<v Speaker 4>dot com. And there's a whole there's about seventy five

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<v Speaker 4>lots related to Bob Doyling, and it's it ends on

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<v Speaker 4>March twelve, and it's you know, it's a simple, easy process.

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<v Speaker 4>It's it's a timed auction. It's pretty exciting.

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<v Speaker 2>So each item has a final bid time. Are they

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<v Speaker 2>all final bid on March twelve?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, basically there's a thirty minute time on every lot

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<v Speaker 4>that starts at seven pm on March twelve. So it's

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<v Speaker 4>it's kind of it's kind of like an eBay style almost,

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<v Speaker 4>but it's a little different. But it's timed. People would

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I get you, but I'm trying to help you

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<v Speaker 2>out here. So can people go on to your auction site? Now?

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<v Speaker 2>Are our auction and see what's available?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, oh yeah, it's all. It's online. This bidding

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<v Speaker 4>is going on right now.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what I need what I need to know.

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<v Speaker 2>And uh again, what is the what's the website? Are

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<v Speaker 2>our auction dot com?

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<v Speaker 4>Man r R A U c K I one dot

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<v Speaker 2>I can spell auction. I'm sure what is r R

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<v Speaker 2>stand for? Refresh my recollection on.

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<v Speaker 4>That rare and remarkable man rare and remarkable.

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<v Speaker 2>Should I remember that our auction dot Com. All right, Bob.

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<v Speaker 2>I enjoyed learning a little bit more about Bob Dylan,

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<v Speaker 2>and I appreciate you taking the time to uh to share,

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<v Speaker 2>to share with us. Tonight we'll do it again, Okay.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm always grateful to be on with you, man,

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Back at you, right back at you. Bobby Livings there

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<v Speaker 2>are he's the executi vice press of our auction. We

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<v Speaker 2>hour right now at eight thirty. After that, I've been

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<v Speaker 2>some startups that are testing for patches to deliver weight

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<v Speaker 2>loss drugs as well as other medications. So we'll get

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<v Speaker 2>to all of that, and then later on in this

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<v Speaker 2>in the cold weather as well. So those are the

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<v Speaker 2>two items coming up. My name's Dan Ray. This is Nightside.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll be right back following the news and a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of commercial messages.

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<v Speaker 1>Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WBZ, Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Well to welcome Scott Kirshner, Globe correspondent to our desk,

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<v Speaker 2>to our to our show. Hey Scott, welcome to Nightside.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm doing good?

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<v Speaker 2>How are you just fine? So you have written a

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<v Speaker 2>piece that appeared just last week? No more needles. Question

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<v Speaker 2>Mark startups are testing patches to deliver weight loss drugs

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<v Speaker 2>and other medications. I mean, these weight loss drugs like

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<v Speaker 2>Wugovi and ozempic, they're going off the chart.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean I was gonna say they can't make them

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<v Speaker 5>fast enough. And you know, you hear about people going

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<v Speaker 5>from drug store to drug store to get their prescription.

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<v Speaker 5>So these are definitely the definition of a blockbuster drug.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know it's interesting. I worry about those. I

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<v Speaker 2>guess about fifteen million people according to your article read

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<v Speaker 2>this new generation of weight loss drugs. It sounds like

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<v Speaker 2>a very effective, but maybe too much, too easy a

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<v Speaker 2>way to lose weight. Have they done much study on

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<v Speaker 2>these drugs in terms of if when people take the

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<v Speaker 2>weight off, they're able to maintain their new weight.

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<v Speaker 3>No.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean that's the dirty secret of these drugs, is

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<v Speaker 5>that one you start taking them, it's a you know,

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<v Speaker 5>it's going to be a lifetime medication.

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<v Speaker 3>Assuming you want to keep.

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<v Speaker 5>That, you want to keep the weight off, you know

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<v Speaker 5>you really can't. There aren't a lot a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>The thing I was.

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<v Speaker 5>Looking at in this piece is is, you know, these

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<v Speaker 5>kinds of drugs and lots of other drugs that people

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<v Speaker 5>And there are some really interesting startups around the Boston

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<v Speaker 5>these drugs with a patch that you would stick on

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm sure that a lot of people are needophobic,

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<v Speaker 2>if that's if that's a term of art, I get that.

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<v Speaker 2>What it's interesting when you think of when I think

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<v Speaker 2>of the patch, I think about nikked tine patches. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I been pretty successful. If you know this. We don't

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<v Speaker 2>that's way off base, tell me do the nicotine patches.

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<v Speaker 2>Do they work for a period of time, you'll lose

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<v Speaker 2>the addiction to nicotine and you're off the SIGs forever,

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<v Speaker 2>or do you have to keep using that patch for

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of your life. Is that sort of the model.

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<v Speaker 5>I think those are.

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<v Speaker 5>I think the nicketine patches are different where they are

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<v Speaker 5>using the patches. The thing that people are very familiar

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<v Speaker 5>market for a few decades now. There are also patches

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<v Speaker 5>that exist for different hormones, you know, hormones that women

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<v Speaker 5>symptoms of menopause. But generally there's in the pharmaceutical world,

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<v Speaker 5>there's two kinds of us and they call them small

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<v Speaker 5>molecule and big molecule or large molecule drugs. Nicotine is

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<v Speaker 5>a small molecule drug. These hormones that you can deliver

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<v Speaker 5>with the patch are small molecules. And the challenge with

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<v Speaker 5>all these new weight loss drugs and with other drugs

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<v Speaker 5>that people might take, like a hum era or a

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<v Speaker 5>Stolara or enbro is that there are large molecules that

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<v Speaker 5>that these companies and other companies before them have been

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<v Speaker 5>it successfully yet and got to patch through the FDA

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<v Speaker 5>process for these large molecule drugs.

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<v Speaker 2>How many companies in Massachusetts are working on any of

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<v Speaker 2>these set of circumstances. How big is this competitive field?

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<v Speaker 5>There are three significant homegrown Massachusetts companies that I wrote

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<v Speaker 5>about in The Globe. The biggest of them, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>in terms of amount of money raised, is a company

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<v Speaker 5>called the Access that came out of Toughs University and

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<v Speaker 5>they've raised one hundred million dollars, which is uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>not chump change. There are other companies. Uh there's a

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<v Speaker 5>public company called Radius Health that had tried to get

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<v Speaker 5>a patch for an osteoporosis drug through the FDA and

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<v Speaker 5>they failed. And there's another company that's based in Australia,

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<v Speaker 5>but they have an office in Cambridge and they're also working.

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<v Speaker 3>On the patch.

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<v Speaker 5>So it felt like there was enough activity that you

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<v Speaker 5>know that people should be aware of, and I certainly

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<v Speaker 5>took notice of, you know, of this competitive set of companies.

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<v Speaker 2>So none of these companies, I assume at this point,

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<v Speaker 2>are all privately held, right, no one, no one raising

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<v Speaker 2>raising money for for publicly owned corporations. What's the upside

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<v Speaker 2>if one of these companies from Massachusetts gets lucky and

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<v Speaker 2>develops the drug that can be delivered for weight loss

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<v Speaker 2>with a hatch. What's the projected you know prize are

442
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<v Speaker 2>we talking about? Yeah, billions of dollars.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I don't think it's I don't think it would

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<v Speaker 5>be wild to say that if one of these companies

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<v Speaker 5>could get patched to the point you don't even have

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<v Speaker 5>to get it totally approved by the FDA, but just

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<v Speaker 5>far enough along clinical trials that a company like Novo Nordesk,

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<v Speaker 5>the company that makes ozepic and Wagovy, two of the

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<v Speaker 5>weight loss drugs, A big pharma company like that would say, hey,

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<v Speaker 5>you got this far enough along, let's give you a

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<v Speaker 5>couple of billion dollars and we'll acquire this technology. And

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<v Speaker 5>that the key thing Dan like that is really important

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<v Speaker 5>strategically for these big pharma companies that sell the weight

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<v Speaker 5>loss drugs or Amgen, which you know, which sells drugs

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<v Speaker 5>for rheumatoid arthritis and other diseases.

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<v Speaker 4>Is that if you if.

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<v Speaker 5>You combine the drug with one of these patches, you

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<v Speaker 5>might get ten or twenty years of additional patent coverage.

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<v Speaker 5>And so it kind of extends the patent life of

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<v Speaker 5>a drug, which you know, the companies. The companies like that,

461
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<v Speaker 5>their shareholders like that. A lot of times, consumers and

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<v Speaker 5>insurers don't like that because you prevent there from being

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<v Speaker 5>you know, generic drug competition.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, is is willgov and uh and some of these

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<v Speaker 2>other bet is willgovy publicly traded Wigov, those epics, Oh yeah,

466
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<v Speaker 2>you know they're they're they're old. Yeah, they're both a big,

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<v Speaker 2>big pharma.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean this company, Nova Nordisk is based in Denmark

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<v Speaker 5>and you know it's traded on the New York Stock Exchange.

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<v Speaker 5>It's the symbols and VO. You know, I'm sure the

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<v Speaker 5>chart just looks, uh, you know, like a like a

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<v Speaker 5>hockey stick from the time that they got these drugs

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<v Speaker 5>approved and they're so big and so successful. It happened

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<v Speaker 5>to be in Denmark last summer, and you know, people

476
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<v Speaker 5>almost joke about it's like the Google millionaires. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>if you work for this company Nova Nerds, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>you're really kind of a rock star in Copenhagen these days.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow boy, I'd say, yeah, it's funny you look at

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<v Speaker 2>these I'm looking at Nova right now. And if you

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<v Speaker 2>if you go back, even even today, they were they

482
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<v Speaker 2>were up almost three percent in a day the market

483
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<v Speaker 2>was down. If I could back and just for the

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<v Speaker 2>fun of it, if I'm able to go back and

485
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<v Speaker 2>find the like you know, five years or whatever, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>here we get let me let me see what it

487
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<v Speaker 2>was five years ago, just for the fun.

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<v Speaker 5>Of it, for about thirty bucks five years ago, and

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<v Speaker 5>at that ninety bucks today.

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty five and it was it was up as high

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<v Speaker 2>as as one it's been down. And so it's making

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of a comeback. That's that's a wild ride.

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<v Speaker 2>That's an absolute wild ride. Yeah, yeah, for sure with

494
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<v Speaker 2>the company. Did you go over on a you know,

495
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<v Speaker 2>for fun? Are we over there as a No?

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<v Speaker 5>I was just there for a vacation and you just

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<v Speaker 5>kind of noticed that, you know, it's one of the

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<v Speaker 5>you know, it's really one of the prize companies of

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<v Speaker 5>Denmark at the moment you know, they don't have a

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<v Speaker 5>giant pharmaceutical industry over there. It's probably smaller than the

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<v Speaker 5>you know, San Francisco cluster, the Boston cluster, the cluster

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<v Speaker 5>in the UK. But you know, this one company has

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<v Speaker 5>been wildly successful with you know, in this weight loss

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<v Speaker 5>drug category.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like a superstar playing for a last place team.

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<v Speaker 2>That person still is a tough start. What do I

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<v Speaker 2>think about I don't know if you're a baseball fan,

508
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<v Speaker 2>but it's like Mike Proke playing for the Angels all

509
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<v Speaker 2>these years and hardly takes the playoffs. But he's superstar nonetheless.

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<v Speaker 2>So what's the timeline? Last question is in your opinion

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<v Speaker 2>because you're the expert. I certainly am not. We look

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<v Speaker 2>at a timeline here where we might be able to

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<v Speaker 2>move from needles to patch drugs for these weight loss

514
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<v Speaker 2>We look at it a timeline of five years or

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<v Speaker 2>longer or less.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't I think it'll be actually shorter than five years.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, these companies are all testing their patches in

518
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<v Speaker 5>uh in animals, you know, not not yet in humans

519
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<v Speaker 5>most for the most part, and some of them are

520
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<v Speaker 5>hoping to start doing human clinical trials next year, you know,

521
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<v Speaker 5>so it really could be you know, uh, within the

522
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<v Speaker 5>next five years, you could start to see patches on

523
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<v Speaker 5>the market and it may be a winner take all

524
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<v Speaker 5>thing where there's one company that just has the right

525
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<v Speaker 5>technology and has the patent for it, and it may

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<v Speaker 5>be that there are several successful companies. And the other

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<v Speaker 5>thing that's worth you know, that's worth mentioning is that these.

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<v Speaker 3>Patches they're more shelf stable.

529
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<v Speaker 5>The drug is more shelf stable in that form, so

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<v Speaker 5>you don't need to keep it refrigerated, which you know,

531
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<v Speaker 5>which eliminates a lot of the complexity right of shipping

532
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<v Speaker 5>these drugs around with dry ice and you know, package

533
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<v Speaker 5>so that they stay at a particular temperature.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, Scott never had a chance to interview before, but

535
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<v Speaker 2>I really enjoyed it. It's called in Economy no More Needles,

536
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<v Speaker 2>Startups and testing patches that deliver weight loss drugs and

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<v Speaker 2>other medications. The article in full appeared in the Boston

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<v Speaker 2>Globe Digital on February nineteenth, and I'm assuming it was

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<v Speaker 2>in the hard copy probably a day or two later.

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<v Speaker 2>I would assume that's the way it generally works, right Scott, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Think you're correct.

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<v Speaker 5>I was on vacation and getting out of the cold,

543
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<v Speaker 5>so I didn't see the print for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, thanks Scott. I appreciate your time. Fascinating. It's

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<v Speaker 2>an area that I don't know a lot about, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think my audience needs to learn about it as

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<v Speaker 2>well as I. So thank you so much for joining us,

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<v Speaker 2>and we hopefully we will talk again soon. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 5>I really appreciate it. Thanks Dan.

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<v Speaker 2>When we get back on to talk about your pets,

551
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<v Speaker 2>and I don't care if you have a pet or

552
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<v Speaker 2>if your neighbor has a pet, you got to be

553
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<v Speaker 2>concerned about cold weather. We have some cold weather pet

554
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<v Speaker 2>tips coming up with a veterinarian, so stay tuned. And

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<v Speaker 2>then after that we'll get to telephone calls. We're going

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about the the dilemma of a prosecution or

557
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<v Speaker 2>deportation for individuals who have been accused of or convicted

558
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<v Speaker 2>of some pretty serious violent crimes. There's a couple of

559
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<v Speaker 2>a couple of schools of thought. We'll talk about that

560
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<v Speaker 2>during the nine o'clock hour, maybe a little longer. Coming

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<v Speaker 2>back on Nightside. My name is Dan Ray, and we

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<v Speaker 2>will be back. Mike Templeton is sitting inside the comfort

563
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<v Speaker 2>of the control room. It's a place where a lot's

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<v Speaker 2>going on. Mike's doing a great job. Back on Nightside

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<v Speaker 2>right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, we're going to talk about cold weather safety tips

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<v Speaker 2>for your pet with us as doctor Jennifer Bruns. I

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<v Speaker 2>hope it's runs and not burns because I have b

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<v Speaker 2>r u ns here, Jennifer, Is it Bruns?

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<v Speaker 3>I hope it is.

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<v Speaker 6>It is brunsps. Everyone calls me doctor Chen, but I

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<v Speaker 6>will take anything that you want to give me tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh. Probably sometimes when you when you look here at names,

576
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<v Speaker 2>you're realized that names can be were letters can be

577
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<v Speaker 2>can misordered. So anyway, you're a veterinarian at Pet Smart

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<v Speaker 2>Veterinary Services. And I'm not sure what produ of the

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<v Speaker 2>country you're in, but here in New England we've had

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<v Speaker 2>some extraordinarily cold weather in the last six to eight weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>It got cold right after New Year's It was fifty

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<v Speaker 2>degrees New Year's Eve and it's been almost below thirty

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<v Speaker 2>two ever since the weather has got back to it

584
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<v Speaker 2>got back to I guess over forty today, which was

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<v Speaker 2>we consider to be tropical. This is a problem for.

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<v Speaker 6>Pets, right, yeah, it is, you know, it is something

587
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<v Speaker 6>to always consider, and especially in New England, it has

588
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<v Speaker 6>not been an easy part of the winter for sure,

589
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<v Speaker 6>and cold temperatures can be really dangerous for pets and

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<v Speaker 6>they can be really dangerous for people. So it's really

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<v Speaker 6>important that we consider, you know, hypothermia and frost bite.

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<v Speaker 6>If we're cold, they're going to be cold, and I

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<v Speaker 6>think we need to bring that into all of our attention.

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<v Speaker 6>I think about it with my little dog and pet

595
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<v Speaker 6>parents and what they can do to really keep their

596
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<v Speaker 6>pets safe and warm.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we always you hear these stories during the summer

598
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<v Speaker 2>where someone left their dog in a car with ninety

599
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<v Speaker 2>five degrees and in some cases the dogs have perished.

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<v Speaker 2>I assume that the opposite can happen in the winter

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<v Speaker 2>time in very frigid temperatures.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, it sure can, and I think sometimes we forget.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, obviously, if it's hot, we don't want to

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<v Speaker 6>put a dog in a heart car. We've heard that

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<v Speaker 6>a lot. But I think sometimes we forget, especially with vehicles,

606
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<v Speaker 6>even leaving a dog in a car it's like a refrigerator, right,

607
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<v Speaker 6>so there's no insulation. It can be just as cold

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<v Speaker 6>and even you know when we start getting into the forties.

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<v Speaker 6>For all dogs, I really keep close TBS on them,

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<v Speaker 6>especially our little dogs and our dogs that don't have

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of fur to keep them warm.

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<v Speaker 3>They can get cold pretty fast.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and people just can be Look, I've read stories

614
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<v Speaker 2>or we have seen stories where someone has left it

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<v Speaker 2>in a baby sea. But they get distracted. All of

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00:33:03.079 --> 00:33:05.359
<v Speaker 2>us get distracted occasionally. You hope that you never do

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<v Speaker 2>something like that. But there's other considerations up here. We

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<v Speaker 2>use a lot of sand and salt to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>your pathway, your driveway is not icy. That can be

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<v Speaker 2>a problem for dogs or for cats.

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<v Speaker 6>Right it is, and I think sometimes we forget about

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<v Speaker 6>that because it just becomes part of our routine of

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<v Speaker 6>how we deal with snow and ice. But the salt

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<v Speaker 6>that we put down for the ice does make a

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<v Speaker 6>potential hazard and it can cause salt poisoning. So you

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<v Speaker 6>think about we go out for our walks, we have

627
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<v Speaker 6>our dogs or their cats, and they don't have any

628
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<v Speaker 6>protection on their feet. They come back, they lick their paws.

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<v Speaker 6>That's really gives them the oportunity to ingest that. So

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<v Speaker 6>salt can be very dangerous also keep in mind about

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<v Speaker 6>Anna free So anna freeze is super sweet. Dogs and

632
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<v Speaker 6>cats both love to drink that are liqu up and

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<v Speaker 6>that can be deadly quick, and just a couple of

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<v Speaker 6>tea spoons can be interest. So one of my tips

635
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<v Speaker 6>for clients, and I do the same with my little

636
00:34:04.559 --> 00:34:08.960
<v Speaker 6>dog is booties. Booties are great because then you're not

637
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<v Speaker 6>worried about frostbite on those portlal paws, and then you're

638
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<v Speaker 6>also not worried about what they might bring in off

639
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<v Speaker 6>of the streets. Of course, you can always you know,

640
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<v Speaker 6>wash feet or what you know, take a towel and

641
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<v Speaker 6>wipe off your feet. But I think it's just really

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<v Speaker 6>important to remember those those dogs and cats will bring

643
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<v Speaker 6>that back into the house that they're exposed.

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<v Speaker 2>You mentioned anti freeze, and you threw me there for

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<v Speaker 2>a second. Is are you suggesting that somebody might have

646
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<v Speaker 2>put some sort of anti freeze into the car and

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<v Speaker 2>it's spilled over on the driveway of the garage and

648
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<v Speaker 2>the dog is attracted, the pet is attracted to the

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<v Speaker 2>to the spill. Is that where you went?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, so anna freeze can be skin spilled. So if

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<v Speaker 6>we're putting ana freeze in our cars, it can it

653
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<v Speaker 6>can be careful if it spills, and because we're looking

654
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<v Speaker 6>at such a small amount, you know, a couple of teaspoons,

655
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<v Speaker 6>even a little spill can be dangerous, so we always

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<v Speaker 6>encourage people to make sure that you clean that up.

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<v Speaker 6>And sometimes just that there's a leak that can be

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<v Speaker 6>another issue as well for a car.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, and then you mentioned short he had breaths. But

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<v Speaker 2>also older pets, just like older people, can can find

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<v Speaker 2>themselves in trouble in really cold weather if they're not

662
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<v Speaker 2>taking care of it. How concerned, I mean, what what

663
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<v Speaker 2>do we need to look for in older pets on

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<v Speaker 2>if you know, if they're out of the yard or

665
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<v Speaker 2>and hopefully they're not out of the yard all day

666
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<v Speaker 2>and the weather we've been dealing with. But if you

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<v Speaker 2>did for a walk, what what what's the tip off

668
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<v Speaker 2>that maybe it's time to make the walk a little

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<v Speaker 2>shorter on a very cold day.

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<v Speaker 6>It's a great question because even young pets also the

671
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<v Speaker 6>same same issue if they don't have a lot of

672
00:35:51.320 --> 00:35:54.000
<v Speaker 6>you know, body body fat, and they're young, so young

673
00:35:54.079 --> 00:35:57.440
<v Speaker 6>and old I both usually counsel clients about watching for

674
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<v Speaker 6>both of those. With the older dogs, though yes, exactly right,

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<v Speaker 6>especially if they have a condition to chronic condition that

676
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<v Speaker 6>makes them less likely to be able to handle the cold,

677
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<v Speaker 6>so be cautious about that. They're also going to slip

678
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<v Speaker 6>on the ice, just like we all do, so they're

679
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<v Speaker 6>not quite as agile. But when you really start looking

680
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<v Speaker 6>at your older pets, just keep in mind, especially that

681
00:36:17.719 --> 00:36:20.840
<v Speaker 6>as it gets colder, they can't tolerate that as much. Again,

682
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<v Speaker 6>that's why we might consider about some layers. They're going

683
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<v Speaker 6>to potentially become disoriented or they don't want to go out.

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<v Speaker 6>I usually tell clients pay attention to your older pets.

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<v Speaker 6>If it seems like they don't really want to be

686
00:36:32.079 --> 00:36:34.199
<v Speaker 6>out in the weather, it's probably a good sign that

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<v Speaker 6>they need to come back inside.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that pets probably a lots more sometimes

689
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<v Speaker 2>than humans. You know. One of the things that you

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<v Speaker 2>always are concerned about is the middle of the night,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the dog lets you know that he needs

692
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<v Speaker 2>he or she needs to go out, and it's snowing

693
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<v Speaker 2>or something. How do you know? And I've had dogs,

694
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<v Speaker 2>so I think I know the answer to this question.

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<v Speaker 2>Come out the door and you go to that area

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<v Speaker 2>that you've kind of shoveled off. They know what they're

697
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<v Speaker 2>supposed to do. But how do you determine when it's

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<v Speaker 2>taken a little longer and it's getting a little colder

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<v Speaker 2>by the second. Is there any rule of thumb that

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<v Speaker 2>you could share with.

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<v Speaker 6>Us on that that's frustrating? You know, I feel like

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<v Speaker 6>I'm yelling at my dog.

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<v Speaker 4>Coop naty coo, potty, right, how long to just quickly

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<v Speaker 4>leave them out?

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<v Speaker 6>So I get it if a rule of thumb really

706
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<v Speaker 6>depends on the pet. Again, when you're starting to forty degrees,

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<v Speaker 6>really watch what type of pet that you have. So

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<v Speaker 6>if it's a little dog, no hair, you want to

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<v Speaker 6>be careful, right, So ten minutes Sometimes it's just something

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<v Speaker 6>that we use as a rule of thumb, but I

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<v Speaker 6>mean with windshield and frost, it might be faster than that.

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<v Speaker 6>You may need to bring that pen before. And one

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<v Speaker 6>thing I would caution and keep everyone in mind is

714
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<v Speaker 6>pet's gonna come disoriented, especially when they get cold. So

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<v Speaker 6>if you don't have a fenced area and you know

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<v Speaker 6>we're gonna go out for that midnight potty, be very

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<v Speaker 6>cautious that your pet can't get lost.

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<v Speaker 4>They can be I never ever have a find I.

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<v Speaker 2>Never leave a muff leash at night because you never

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<v Speaker 2>know who's lurking twenty five or thirty feet away, and

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<v Speaker 2>it could be mister Kayaker looking for dinner. Doctor Bruns,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you very much, great information. Appreciate it very much.

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<v Speaker 2>We all love pets, that's for sure. And thanks very

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<v Speaker 2>much for joining us tonight and giving us some very

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<v Speaker 2>helpful reminders.

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<v Speaker 3>Ex so well.

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<v Speaker 6>Happy to be helpful to pet parents and everybody say safe.

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<v Speaker 2>And warm, okay, thanks, thanks so much again. Doctor Jennifer

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<v Speaker 2>runs Pets Want Vetinary Services. Thanks thanks, doctor, appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>There comes to nine o'clock news, and on the other

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<v Speaker 2>side of the news we're going to talk about prosecution

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<v Speaker 2>or deportation. I will explain in full right after the

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<v Speaker 2>night