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Speaker 2: a serious crime, a violent crime. This seems to be
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Speaker 2: the Trump administration. If you read the front top of
Speaker 2: the fold piece in the Boston Globe this morning was
Speaker 2: a really interesting piece. We'll get to all of that,
Speaker 2: I promise. But first we're going to start off with
Speaker 2: our guests this evening, and we will begin with our
Speaker 2: first guest tonight, Jonathan Bird. Jonathan is going to tell
Speaker 2: us about a new movie, special movie called Call of
Speaker 2: the Dolphins. He's the producer. I think this is truly
Speaker 2: his project. Jonathan Bird, you're the film's director, and you're
Speaker 2: also a native, a local guy from North Reading. Tell
Speaker 2: us a little bit about yourself, then I want to
Speaker 2: talk about the film. How'd you get into this business?
Speaker 3: Well, you know, it's funny. I got into this business
Speaker 3: because of I needed a gym credit in college, I
Speaker 3: believe it or not. Yeah, yeah, I couldn't believe that
Speaker 3: when I was in college. You know, you're paying all
Speaker 3: this money to go to school and then they make
Speaker 3: you take fizz ed. But you know, as it turns out,
Speaker 3: they offered scuba diving as a fized credit. And I'm
Speaker 3: in love with the ocean, and so I guess the
Speaker 3: fizz ed credit was kind of a good thing.
Speaker 2: I hope you went to a southern school and you
Speaker 2: weren't scuba diving off the coast of Maine in the
Speaker 2: middle of the winter.
Speaker 3: No, I went to Worcester Polytech Electrical Engineering and I
Speaker 3: did I did my my open water checkout dives in
Speaker 3: Gloucester in like thirty degree water in March, and I
Speaker 3: froze my butt off.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 2: Wow, no dolphins with you on those dives, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: So so you, I assume have spent a lot of
Speaker 2: time underwater and a lot of times a lot of
Speaker 2: time with dolphins. I'm led to believe. I'm no expert,
Speaker 2: but I'm told that dolphins are incredibly intelligent, and to
Speaker 2: some extent, they have a lot of similarities with those
Speaker 2: of us who are more landa based human beings.
Speaker 3: Dolphins are definitely very intelligent, and I have a funny
Speaker 3: feeling that they're actually they can be. They can be
Speaker 3: kind of a bunch of like jokesters. Like they love
Speaker 3: to they love to sneak up on you. They love
Speaker 3: to slap you with their you know, their fins when
Speaker 3: you're not looking. They're they're kind of fun animals. And
Speaker 3: I did my first trip with dolphins in ninety five,
Speaker 3: actually thirty years ago. And in fact, the very first
Speaker 3: trip I did with dolphins in the Bahamas with was
Speaker 3: with a guy named Captain Wayne Scott Smith, who's kind
Speaker 3: of a dolphin whisperer who runs a boat where people
Speaker 3: swim with wild dolphins, and thirty years later he is
Speaker 3: one of the stars of this film. So we developed
Speaker 3: kind of a lifelong friendship and I got to come
Speaker 3: full circle and make a film where he is part
Speaker 3: of the action. So that was really kind of exciting.
Speaker 2: So now the film, the movie, how long is it?
Speaker 2: By the way, it's on the giant screen at the
Speaker 2: New England Aquarium Simon's Theater. But how use is the video?
Speaker 3: It's forty minutes, which is kind of the standard length
Speaker 3: for these films. And it's a film about people who
Speaker 3: love dolphins. I have the snarky answer when people ask
Speaker 3: me what's the film about? I say dolphins. But really
Speaker 3: it's not a film about dolphins. It's a film about
Speaker 3: people who love dolphins. It's a film that features, for example,
Speaker 3: I thought out on Cape Cod where they rescue as
Speaker 3: many as four hundred dolphins a year to get stuck
Speaker 3: in Cape Cod when the tide goes down and they're
Speaker 3: stuck on the mud banks. It features researchers, for example,
Speaker 3: down in Sarasota, Florida, and in Hawaii, that are studying
Speaker 3: wild dolphins. And it also features my buddy, Captain Wayne
Speaker 3: Scott Smith, who's kind of a dolphin whisperer. He's been
Speaker 3: swimming with dolphins for forty years and they know him personally,
Speaker 3: so he literally has one on one relationship with hundreds
Speaker 3: of dolphins that he recognizes and recognize him.
Speaker 2: That's amazing. I can't wait to see this now. You
Speaker 2: said it's about forty minutes long, and the film made
Speaker 2: its world debut, so it's already had his debut at
Speaker 2: the New England Aquarium. How long is it going to
Speaker 2: be there for people to enjoy?
Speaker 3: What's interesting about you mentioned the world debut. What's interesting
Speaker 3: about that is this is my fourth Giant screen film
Speaker 3: and it's the first one that had its world premiere
Speaker 3: in my hometown. So I was really excited that we
Speaker 3: had our premiere in Boston and we had a big
Speaker 3: event and we had all of our friends and it
Speaker 3: was great fun. And they have signed on. They don't
Speaker 3: sign on for how long they're going to show it.
Speaker 3: They sign on for how many showings it's going to have.
Speaker 3: They've signed on for seven hundred screenings of the show,
Speaker 3: and that's at least a year, at least a year. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so I don't know exactly how.
Speaker 2: How many screen are there during a week. I mean,
Speaker 2: do they do one a day? I mean, obviously seven
Speaker 2: hundred I can do the math. We're talking about that,
Speaker 2: so nearly two years if they just do one a day.
Speaker 2: But do they have multiple showings during the Yeah?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean it can change.
Speaker 4: Right now.
Speaker 3: Right now it's showing I think four times a day.
Speaker 3: It alternates with another film, so but that could change
Speaker 3: him as the film has been in the theater longer,
Speaker 3: they may bring in another film and then drop the
Speaker 3: number of screenings. But yeah, it's it's playing several times
Speaker 3: a day at least for the next year.
Speaker 2: So great is this exclusive to the New England Aquarium
Speaker 2: And no one's going to be able to see this
Speaker 2: on HBO. We're Cinemax at least for a while.
Speaker 3: So this is a giant screen film and they're really
Speaker 3: they're shot and edited to be seen on really big screens,
Speaker 3: and you would never get the right experience to see
Speaker 3: it on like Netflix or something. It's just the screen
Speaker 3: would be too small. And also it's in three D
Speaker 3: and three D is really awesome on a giant screen
Speaker 3: and people always think, oh, three D I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: like it. Trust me when I tell you the three
Speaker 3: D on this is really nicely done. People are gonna
Speaker 3: love it.
Speaker 2: Okay, perfect, you've convinced me. I guess people. The easiest
Speaker 2: thing is they need to just get to the aquarium,
Speaker 2: which is anyaq dot org. We'll give the aquarium acall,
Speaker 2: get some tickets, figure out when it works for their families,
Speaker 2: and get down and see the call of the dolphins.
Speaker 2: And we're not talking about the Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 4: No we're not.
Speaker 3: We're definitely talking about actual dolphins that go underwater.
Speaker 2: All rights. That's great. I love it. I love it.
Speaker 2: That's a good line, Jonathan. I appreciate what you do.
Speaker 2: What's your next project? If I could ask, or can
Speaker 2: you tell us?
Speaker 3: So we're working on a film about what happens in
Speaker 3: the ocean at night, but it won't be out for
Speaker 3: a couple of years, so definiteenty of time to go,
Speaker 3: go go get called a dolphins.
Speaker 2: Got We're gonna go see the dolphins, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: So again it's any for New England AQ for aquarium
Speaker 2: just lowercase ANYAQ dot org and the number can be
Speaker 2: found pretty easily at that website and get yourself some
Speaker 2: tickets and get in and see the call of the Dolphins.
Speaker 2: I really do appreciate Jonathan taking the time and congratulations
Speaker 2: on this. Sounds like a magnificent video. Thank you, Thanks
Speaker 2: so much.
Speaker 4: Dan, You're very welcome.
Speaker 2: Well we get back. We're gonna go from the Dolphins
Speaker 2: to Bob Dylan. I will explain. My name is Dan Ray.
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Speaker 2: upcoming Bob Dylan auction.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray line from the Window World
Speaker 1: night Side Studios on WBZ the News.
Speaker 2: Radio, joining us as the executive vice president at our auction,
Speaker 2: Bobby Livingston. Bobby has been with us before, he gets it.
Speaker 2: He understands how exciting some of these live auctions can be. Bobby,
Speaker 2: Welcome back to night Side.
Speaker 4: Thanks, Dan, It's good to talk to you again.
Speaker 2: Man. A lot of people love, you know, sports auctions,
Speaker 2: but this is an auction dealing with Bob Dylan. Obviously
Speaker 2: there's a movie out right now dealing with Bob Dylan.
Speaker 2: So Bob Dylan is a pretty hot commodity right now.
Speaker 2: And you have several Bob Dylan items, the Bob Dylan's
Speaker 2: first demo tape tape, it was the original master recording
Speaker 2: that's going to be up for auction. And you've also
Speaker 2: got the collection of an individual by the name of
Speaker 2: Bob Newworth. I do not know who Bob Newworth is,
Speaker 2: but obviously he must have been a big Bob Dylan collector.
Speaker 4: Well, Bob Newarth was like Bob Dylan's best friend. When
Speaker 4: you saw the movie the Plame movie, the guy that
Speaker 4: is in the bar were doing hit, that's Newworth. And
Speaker 4: so the character of Bob Neworth is in the movie,
Speaker 4: and he was in Don't Look Back. But Bob Neworth
Speaker 4: was a great artist that was here in Boston. Not
Speaker 4: only a folks singer, but he was he was also
Speaker 4: a pretty prominent artist.
Speaker 2: I went on to be will admit to you, Bob,
Speaker 2: if he had been like a backup shortstop for the
Speaker 2: Red Sox in the seventies. I would know his name.
Speaker 2: We all have our wheelhouse. Or if he had been
Speaker 2: you know, a city councilor in Salem back in the
Speaker 2: nineteen eighties, I probably would know his or her name.
Speaker 2: But I again, that's why you're here. You're the expert,
Speaker 2: and you're gonna give us a lot of the background
Speaker 2: and the perspective on this. So. So is this how
Speaker 2: the Bob Newarth collection came to be, because obviously it
Speaker 2: looks as if he has some some great Bob Dylan materials. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean he played on stage with Bob Dylan during
Speaker 4: the Rollings under Review, which which the was the big
Speaker 4: tour around New England in the in the seventies, like
Speaker 4: in seventy five and seventy six. So it was a
Speaker 4: pretty famous tour of Bob Dylan when he painted his
Speaker 4: face white. You remember those dann You remember those shots?
Speaker 4: Maybe not, but anyway, I was hanging at.
Speaker 2: Red Sox games in the truth.
Speaker 4: Well, seventy five team was pretty good. I can understand this.
Speaker 2: I know who Bob Dylan was h and he still is.
Speaker 4: He's still alive, right, correct, very much.
Speaker 2: I don't want to put him in past edge. He's
Speaker 2: not up there in the big juke box with Elvis
Speaker 2: at this point. No, I get that, No, but I
Speaker 2: just I just want to make sure that people in
Speaker 2: the audience who are Dylan fans just get excited about this.
Speaker 2: I'm excited talking to you about Bob Dylan. So I
Speaker 2: but I got to ask you these questions. So tell
Speaker 2: us about the newestion.
Speaker 4: Go ahead, Well we've got his. You know that those
Speaker 4: nudy CITs that the country Western stars used to wear,
Speaker 4: that with all the sparkles and the rhinestones and the
Speaker 4: designs on them. Well we've got Bob Newarth's that Bob
Speaker 4: Dylan bought for him to wear on this Rolling Thunder tour.
Speaker 4: And so he actually wore this particular Newy suit at
Speaker 4: a very famous concert called Knight of the Hurricane uh
Speaker 4: in in Houston. So these are Dan, stick with me.
Speaker 4: These are really cool things. Let me tell you, this
Speaker 4: is phenomenal.
Speaker 2: And trust me, it's like you're telling me that you
Speaker 2: got the bet that Ted Williams at his final home
Speaker 2: run off of Jack Fish Sure on September twenty eighth
Speaker 2: here at Fenway Park in nineteen sixty. I get it,
Speaker 2: I get it, keep going, tell me more.
Speaker 4: Well, there's also a guitar that Bob Dylan bought for
Speaker 4: Newarth in New York City that he played on this
Speaker 4: whole tour. There's lots of video and photographs of Newarth
Speaker 4: and Dylan with this particular car So guitar. So that's
Speaker 4: really cool.
Speaker 2: Bob Dylan's first demo tape. I would assume that that
Speaker 2: would be something that any artist would keep for you,
Speaker 2: for well, for the family.
Speaker 4: The first demo tape is actually from a different consigner,
Speaker 4: which is Bob Dylan's very first manager, Terry Tall, who
Speaker 4: who she was married to, Davon Rock, another Folks singer
Speaker 4: in New York. So Dylan asked her to be his
Speaker 4: manager and she made this tape. She made this tape
Speaker 4: to get him gigs at forty seven here in Boston
Speaker 4: and uh and uh so this is coming right from
Speaker 4: her collection. It's the it's the first professional demo tape
Speaker 4: that was ever made of Bob. It wasn't done in
Speaker 4: a studio, It was done in the Gaslight Cafe in
Speaker 4: New York. But it sounds great and it actually worked.
Speaker 2: This is this is an honest question. I certainly know
Speaker 2: who Bob Dylan was. But but again, I was not.
Speaker 4: Hanging on Bob Dylan.
Speaker 2: Is I forget I already made that point before. Boys,
Speaker 2: I'm trying to get to you. What I'm trying to
Speaker 2: get from you is I. When Jimmy Buffett passed, I
Speaker 2: was surprised to learn that Buffett had played a lot
Speaker 2: in his early career here at clubs in Boston, which
Speaker 2: kind of surprised me. How how much was Bob Dylan
Speaker 2: a part of the music scene in Boston as he
Speaker 2: was starting out.
Speaker 4: Well, He's famously on his first record he talks about
Speaker 4: I'm learning the song baby let Me follow you down
Speaker 4: that Rick von Schmidt taught him, and he said, you know,
Speaker 4: I learned him the in Harvard Yard, so in Cambridge,
Speaker 4: so Dylan, So yeah, so Dylan. Dylan uh made a
Speaker 4: point of coming to Boston and playing several times before
Speaker 4: he really hit it big. So he was around. There
Speaker 4: was a vibrant, vibrant folks scene here that Dylan wanted
Speaker 4: to be a part of before he was famous.
Speaker 2: Let me get Let me give you a tip that
Speaker 2: that might be of some help to you. Dylan did
Speaker 2: spend time in Cambridge, and he spent a lot of
Speaker 2: time with Harvey Silverglade, who's a well known lawyer UH
Speaker 2: in Cambridge. Uh and his wife Elsa, and Elsa took
Speaker 2: a lot of pictures of Bob Dylan. So I'm a
Speaker 2: weird that that Dylan in time, you know, in the
Speaker 2: Boston Cambridge area. But I wasn't sure, you know, if
Speaker 2: you played at Club Passim or or whatever, you know
Speaker 2: Paul's mall. I mean, I'm just wondering if you know,
Speaker 2: off he had some of the locale locations that he
Speaker 2: that he appeared at.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he played at pass he played it, you know,
Speaker 4: forty seven, and he and he played folk festivals and
Speaker 4: you know, as he got bigger, he played the bigger
Speaker 4: the bigger auditoriums. But yeah, he was definitely here. I
Speaker 4: don't know all all the names of the old folk clubs,
Speaker 4: but for sure Club forty seven.
Speaker 2: So when is the auction and and what can folks do?
Speaker 2: Is this a live auction or is this one that
Speaker 2: people will participate in remotely?
Speaker 4: It's it's online. It's at our website at our auction
Speaker 4: dot com. And there's a whole there's about seventy five
Speaker 4: lots related to Bob Doyling, and it's it ends on
Speaker 4: March twelve, and it's you know, it's a simple, easy process.
Speaker 4: It's it's a timed auction. It's pretty exciting.
Speaker 2: So each item has a final bid time. Are they
Speaker 2: all final bid on March twelve?
Speaker 4: Yeah, basically there's a thirty minute time on every lot
Speaker 4: that starts at seven pm on March twelve. So it's
Speaker 4: it's kind of it's kind of like an eBay style almost,
Speaker 4: but it's a little different. But it's timed. People would
Speaker 4: be familiar with it.
Speaker 2: Okay, I get you, but I'm trying to help you
Speaker 2: out here. So can people go on to your auction site? Now?
Speaker 2: Are our auction and see what's available?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, oh yeah, it's all. It's online. This bidding
Speaker 4: is going on right now.
Speaker 2: And that's what I need what I need to know.
Speaker 2: And uh again, what is the what's the website? Are
Speaker 2: our auction dot com?
Speaker 4: Man r R A U c K I one dot
Speaker 4: com And we're right here in Boston.
Speaker 2: I can spell auction. I'm sure what is r R
Speaker 2: stand for? Refresh my recollection on.
Speaker 4: That rare and remarkable man rare and remarkable.
Speaker 2: Should I remember that our auction dot Com. All right, Bob.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed learning a little bit more about Bob Dylan,
Speaker 2: and I appreciate you taking the time to uh to share,
Speaker 2: to share with us. Tonight we'll do it again, Okay.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm always grateful to be on with you, man,
Speaker 4: Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Back at you, right back at you. Bobby Livings there
Speaker 2: are he's the executi vice press of our auction. We
Speaker 2: got the news coming up at the bottom of the
Speaker 2: hour right now at eight thirty. After that, I've been
Speaker 2: talking with Scott Kirshner of the Boston Globe talking about
Speaker 2: some startups that are testing for patches to deliver weight
Speaker 2: loss drugs as well as other medications. So we'll get
Speaker 2: to all of that, and then later on in this
Speaker 2: hour we'll talk with doctor Jennifer Bruns about cold weather
Speaker 2: pet safety tips. We think about making sure that furry
Speaker 2: friends are not exposed to the heat of the of
Speaker 2: July and August, but they can they can have problems
Speaker 2: in the cold weather as well. So those are the
Speaker 2: two items coming up. My name's Dan Ray. This is Nightside.
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Speaker 1: Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: Well to welcome Scott Kirshner, Globe correspondent to our desk,
Speaker 2: to our to our show. Hey Scott, welcome to Nightside.
Speaker 2: How are you.
Speaker 5: I'm doing good?
Speaker 2: How are you just fine? So you have written a
Speaker 2: piece that appeared just last week? No more needles. Question
Speaker 2: Mark startups are testing patches to deliver weight loss drugs
Speaker 2: and other medications. I mean, these weight loss drugs like
Speaker 2: Wugovi and ozempic, they're going off the chart.
Speaker 5: I mean I was gonna say they can't make them
Speaker 5: fast enough. And you know, you hear about people going
Speaker 5: from drug store to drug store to get their prescription.
Speaker 5: So these are definitely the definition of a blockbuster drug.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know it's interesting. I worry about those. I
Speaker 2: guess about fifteen million people according to your article read
Speaker 2: this new generation of weight loss drugs. It sounds like
Speaker 2: a very effective, but maybe too much, too easy a
Speaker 2: way to lose weight. Have they done much study on
Speaker 2: these drugs in terms of if when people take the
Speaker 2: weight off, they're able to maintain their new weight.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 5: I mean that's the dirty secret of these drugs, is
Speaker 5: that one you start taking them, it's a you know,
Speaker 5: it's going to be a lifetime medication.
Speaker 3: Assuming you want to keep.
Speaker 5: That, you want to keep the weight off, you know
Speaker 5: you really can't. There aren't a lot a lot of
Speaker 5: studies showing that you can stop taking the drugs and
Speaker 5: maintain the same weight level.
Speaker 3: The thing I was.
Speaker 5: Looking at in this piece is is, you know, these
Speaker 5: kinds of drugs and lots of other drugs that people
Speaker 5: take require an injection once a week or once a month.
Speaker 5: And there are some really interesting startups around the Boston
Speaker 5: area that are trying to do these injections or deliver
Speaker 5: these drugs with a patch that you would stick on
Speaker 5: your skin for a half hour an hour, rather than
Speaker 5: with a needle that you'd have to poke yourself with
Speaker 5: or get someone to poke you with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure that a lot of people are needophobic,
Speaker 2: if that's if that's a term of art, I get that.
Speaker 2: What it's interesting when you think of when I think
Speaker 2: of the patch, I think about nikked tine patches. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I been pretty successful. If you know this. We don't
Speaker 2: script questions here, so if I asked you a question
Speaker 2: that's way off base, tell me do the nicotine patches.
Speaker 2: Do they work for a period of time, you'll lose
Speaker 2: the addiction to nicotine and you're off the SIGs forever,
Speaker 2: or do you have to keep using that patch for
Speaker 2: the rest of your life. Is that sort of the model.
Speaker 5: I think those are.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think the nicketine patches are different where they are
Speaker 5: delivering a dose of nicotine to help you kick the
Speaker 5: habit and that you can eventually taper down and stop
Speaker 5: using the patches. The thing that people are very familiar
Speaker 5: with the nicotine patches because those have been on the
Speaker 5: market for a few decades now. There are also patches
Speaker 5: that exist for different hormones, you know, hormones that women
Speaker 5: might take, you know, to deal with some of the
Speaker 5: symptoms of menopause. But generally there's in the pharmaceutical world,
Speaker 5: there's two kinds of us and they call them small
Speaker 5: molecule and big molecule or large molecule drugs. Nicotine is
Speaker 5: a small molecule drug. These hormones that you can deliver
Speaker 5: with the patch are small molecules. And the challenge with
Speaker 5: all these new weight loss drugs and with other drugs
Speaker 5: that people might take, like a hum era or a
Speaker 5: Stolara or enbro is that there are large molecules that
Speaker 5: can't easily get into the skin just by sticking a
Speaker 5: patch on it. And so that's kind of the challenge
Speaker 5: that these companies and other companies before them have been
Speaker 5: trying to trying to solve, and no one has done
Speaker 5: it successfully yet and got to patch through the FDA
Speaker 5: process for these large molecule drugs.
Speaker 2: How many companies in Massachusetts are working on any of
Speaker 2: these set of circumstances. How big is this competitive field?
Speaker 5: There are three significant homegrown Massachusetts companies that I wrote
Speaker 5: about in The Globe. The biggest of them, you know,
Speaker 5: in terms of amount of money raised, is a company
Speaker 5: called the Access that came out of Toughs University and
Speaker 5: they've raised one hundred million dollars, which is uh, you know,
Speaker 5: not chump change. There are other companies. Uh there's a
Speaker 5: public company called Radius Health that had tried to get
Speaker 5: a patch for an osteoporosis drug through the FDA and
Speaker 5: they failed. And there's another company that's based in Australia,
Speaker 5: but they have an office in Cambridge and they're also working.
Speaker 3: On the patch.
Speaker 5: So it felt like there was enough activity that you
Speaker 5: know that people should be aware of, and I certainly
Speaker 5: took notice of, you know, of this competitive set of companies.
Speaker 2: So none of these companies, I assume at this point,
Speaker 2: are all privately held, right, no one, no one raising
Speaker 2: raising money for for publicly owned corporations. What's the upside
Speaker 2: if one of these companies from Massachusetts gets lucky and
Speaker 2: develops the drug that can be delivered for weight loss
Speaker 2: with a hatch. What's the projected you know prize are
Speaker 2: we talking about? Yeah, billions of dollars.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think it's I don't think it would
Speaker 5: be wild to say that if one of these companies
Speaker 5: could get patched to the point you don't even have
Speaker 5: to get it totally approved by the FDA, but just
Speaker 5: far enough along clinical trials that a company like Novo Nordesk,
Speaker 5: the company that makes ozepic and Wagovy, two of the
Speaker 5: weight loss drugs, A big pharma company like that would say, hey,
Speaker 5: you got this far enough along, let's give you a
Speaker 5: couple of billion dollars and we'll acquire this technology. And
Speaker 5: that the key thing Dan like that is really important
Speaker 5: strategically for these big pharma companies that sell the weight
Speaker 5: loss drugs or Amgen, which you know, which sells drugs
Speaker 5: for rheumatoid arthritis and other diseases.
Speaker 4: Is that if you if.
Speaker 5: You combine the drug with one of these patches, you
Speaker 5: might get ten or twenty years of additional patent coverage.
Speaker 5: And so it kind of extends the patent life of
Speaker 5: a drug, which you know, the companies. The companies like that,
Speaker 5: their shareholders like that. A lot of times, consumers and
Speaker 5: insurers don't like that because you prevent there from being
Speaker 5: you know, generic drug competition.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is is willgov and uh and some of these
Speaker 2: other bet is willgovy publicly traded Wigov, those epics, Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: you know they're they're they're old. Yeah, they're both a big,
Speaker 2: big pharma.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean this company, Nova Nordisk is based in Denmark
Speaker 5: and you know it's traded on the New York Stock Exchange.
Speaker 5: It's the symbols and VO. You know, I'm sure the
Speaker 5: chart just looks, uh, you know, like a like a
Speaker 5: hockey stick from the time that they got these drugs
Speaker 5: approved and they're so big and so successful. It happened
Speaker 5: to be in Denmark last summer, and you know, people
Speaker 5: almost joke about it's like the Google millionaires. You know,
Speaker 5: if you work for this company Nova Nerds, you know,
Speaker 5: you're really kind of a rock star in Copenhagen these days.
Speaker 2: Wow boy, I'd say, yeah, it's funny you look at
Speaker 2: these I'm looking at Nova right now. And if you
Speaker 2: if you go back, even even today, they were they
Speaker 2: were up almost three percent in a day the market
Speaker 2: was down. If I could back and just for the
Speaker 2: fun of it, if I'm able to go back and
Speaker 2: find the like you know, five years or whatever, yeah,
Speaker 2: here we get let me let me see what it
Speaker 2: was five years ago, just for the fun.
Speaker 5: Of it, for about thirty bucks five years ago, and
Speaker 5: at that ninety bucks today.
Speaker 2: Twenty five and it was it was up as high
Speaker 2: as as one it's been down. And so it's making
Speaker 2: a little bit of a comeback. That's that's a wild ride.
Speaker 2: That's an absolute wild ride. Yeah, yeah, for sure with
Speaker 2: the company. Did you go over on a you know,
Speaker 2: for fun? Are we over there as a No?
Speaker 5: I was just there for a vacation and you just
Speaker 5: kind of noticed that, you know, it's one of the
Speaker 5: you know, it's really one of the prize companies of
Speaker 5: Denmark at the moment you know, they don't have a
Speaker 5: giant pharmaceutical industry over there. It's probably smaller than the
Speaker 5: you know, San Francisco cluster, the Boston cluster, the cluster
Speaker 5: in the UK. But you know, this one company has
Speaker 5: been wildly successful with you know, in this weight loss
Speaker 5: drug category.
Speaker 2: It's like a superstar playing for a last place team.
Speaker 2: That person still is a tough start. What do I
Speaker 2: think about I don't know if you're a baseball fan,
Speaker 2: but it's like Mike Proke playing for the Angels all
Speaker 2: these years and hardly takes the playoffs. But he's superstar nonetheless.
Speaker 2: So what's the timeline? Last question is in your opinion
Speaker 2: because you're the expert. I certainly am not. We look
Speaker 2: at a timeline here where we might be able to
Speaker 2: move from needles to patch drugs for these weight loss
Speaker 2: We look at it a timeline of five years or
Speaker 2: longer or less.
Speaker 5: I don't I think it'll be actually shorter than five years.
Speaker 5: You know, these companies are all testing their patches in
Speaker 5: uh in animals, you know, not not yet in humans
Speaker 5: most for the most part, and some of them are
Speaker 5: hoping to start doing human clinical trials next year, you know,
Speaker 5: so it really could be you know, uh, within the
Speaker 5: next five years, you could start to see patches on
Speaker 5: the market and it may be a winner take all
Speaker 5: thing where there's one company that just has the right
Speaker 5: technology and has the patent for it, and it may
Speaker 5: be that there are several successful companies. And the other
Speaker 5: thing that's worth you know, that's worth mentioning is that these.
Speaker 3: Patches they're more shelf stable.
Speaker 5: The drug is more shelf stable in that form, so
Speaker 5: you don't need to keep it refrigerated, which you know,
Speaker 5: which eliminates a lot of the complexity right of shipping
Speaker 5: these drugs around with dry ice and you know, package
Speaker 5: so that they stay at a particular temperature.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Scott never had a chance to interview before, but
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed it. It's called in Economy no More Needles,
Speaker 2: Startups and testing patches that deliver weight loss drugs and
Speaker 2: other medications. The article in full appeared in the Boston
Speaker 2: Globe Digital on February nineteenth, and I'm assuming it was
Speaker 2: in the hard copy probably a day or two later.
Speaker 2: I would assume that's the way it generally works, right Scott, I.
Speaker 3: Think you're correct.
Speaker 5: I was on vacation and getting out of the cold,
Speaker 5: so I didn't see the print for you.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, thanks Scott. I appreciate your time. Fascinating. It's
Speaker 2: an area that I don't know a lot about, and
Speaker 2: I think my audience needs to learn about it as
Speaker 2: well as I. So thank you so much for joining us,
Speaker 2: and we hopefully we will talk again soon. Thank you.
Speaker 5: I really appreciate it. Thanks Dan.
Speaker 2: When we get back on to talk about your pets,
Speaker 2: and I don't care if you have a pet or
Speaker 2: if your neighbor has a pet, you got to be
Speaker 2: concerned about cold weather. We have some cold weather pet
Speaker 2: tips coming up with a veterinarian, so stay tuned. And
Speaker 2: then after that we'll get to telephone calls. We're going
Speaker 2: to talk about the the dilemma of a prosecution or
Speaker 2: deportation for individuals who have been accused of or convicted
Speaker 2: of some pretty serious violent crimes. There's a couple of
Speaker 2: a couple of schools of thought. We'll talk about that
Speaker 2: during the nine o'clock hour, maybe a little longer. Coming
Speaker 2: back on Nightside. My name is Dan Ray, and we
Speaker 2: will be back. Mike Templeton is sitting inside the comfort
Speaker 2: of the control room. It's a place where a lot's
Speaker 2: going on. Mike's doing a great job. Back on Nightside
Speaker 2: right after this.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: Okay, we're going to talk about cold weather safety tips
Speaker 2: for your pet with us as doctor Jennifer Bruns. I
Speaker 2: hope it's runs and not burns because I have b
Speaker 2: r u ns here, Jennifer, Is it Bruns?
Speaker 3: I hope it is.
Speaker 6: It is brunsps. Everyone calls me doctor Chen, but I
Speaker 6: will take anything that you want to give me tonight.
Speaker 2: Oh. Probably sometimes when you when you look here at names,
Speaker 2: you're realized that names can be were letters can be
Speaker 2: can misordered. So anyway, you're a veterinarian at Pet Smart
Speaker 2: Veterinary Services. And I'm not sure what produ of the
Speaker 2: country you're in, but here in New England we've had
Speaker 2: some extraordinarily cold weather in the last six to eight weeks.
Speaker 2: It got cold right after New Year's It was fifty
Speaker 2: degrees New Year's Eve and it's been almost below thirty
Speaker 2: two ever since the weather has got back to it
Speaker 2: got back to I guess over forty today, which was
Speaker 2: we consider to be tropical. This is a problem for.
Speaker 6: Pets, right, yeah, it is, you know, it is something
Speaker 6: to always consider, and especially in New England, it has
Speaker 6: not been an easy part of the winter for sure,
Speaker 6: and cold temperatures can be really dangerous for pets and
Speaker 6: they can be really dangerous for people. So it's really
Speaker 6: important that we consider, you know, hypothermia and frost bite.
Speaker 6: If we're cold, they're going to be cold, and I
Speaker 6: think we need to bring that into all of our attention.
Speaker 6: I think about it with my little dog and pet
Speaker 6: parents and what they can do to really keep their
Speaker 6: pets safe and warm.
Speaker 2: Well, we always you hear these stories during the summer
Speaker 2: where someone left their dog in a car with ninety
Speaker 2: five degrees and in some cases the dogs have perished.
Speaker 2: I assume that the opposite can happen in the winter
Speaker 2: time in very frigid temperatures.
Speaker 6: You know, it sure can, and I think sometimes we forget.
Speaker 6: I mean, obviously, if it's hot, we don't want to
Speaker 6: put a dog in a heart car. We've heard that
Speaker 6: a lot. But I think sometimes we forget, especially with vehicles,
Speaker 6: even leaving a dog in a car it's like a refrigerator, right,
Speaker 6: so there's no insulation. It can be just as cold
Speaker 6: and even you know when we start getting into the forties.
Speaker 6: For all dogs, I really keep close TBS on them,
Speaker 6: especially our little dogs and our dogs that don't have
Speaker 6: a lot of fur to keep them warm.
Speaker 3: They can get cold pretty fast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and people just can be Look, I've read stories
Speaker 2: or we have seen stories where someone has left it
Speaker 2: in a baby sea. But they get distracted. All of
Speaker 2: us get distracted occasionally. You hope that you never do
Speaker 2: something like that. But there's other considerations up here. We
Speaker 2: use a lot of sand and salt to make sure
Speaker 2: your pathway, your driveway is not icy. That can be
Speaker 2: a problem for dogs or for cats.
Speaker 6: Right it is, and I think sometimes we forget about
Speaker 6: that because it just becomes part of our routine of
Speaker 6: how we deal with snow and ice. But the salt
Speaker 6: that we put down for the ice does make a
Speaker 6: potential hazard and it can cause salt poisoning. So you
Speaker 6: think about we go out for our walks, we have
Speaker 6: our dogs or their cats, and they don't have any
Speaker 6: protection on their feet. They come back, they lick their paws.
Speaker 6: That's really gives them the oportunity to ingest that. So
Speaker 6: salt can be very dangerous also keep in mind about
Speaker 6: Anna free So anna freeze is super sweet. Dogs and
Speaker 6: cats both love to drink that are liqu up and
Speaker 6: that can be deadly quick, and just a couple of
Speaker 6: tea spoons can be interest. So one of my tips
Speaker 6: for clients, and I do the same with my little
Speaker 6: dog is booties. Booties are great because then you're not
Speaker 6: worried about frostbite on those portlal paws, and then you're
Speaker 6: also not worried about what they might bring in off
Speaker 6: of the streets. Of course, you can always you know,
Speaker 6: wash feet or what you know, take a towel and
Speaker 6: wipe off your feet. But I think it's just really
Speaker 6: important to remember those those dogs and cats will bring
Speaker 6: that back into the house that they're exposed.
Speaker 2: You mentioned anti freeze, and you threw me there for
Speaker 2: a second. Is are you suggesting that somebody might have
Speaker 2: put some sort of anti freeze into the car and
Speaker 2: it's spilled over on the driveway of the garage and
Speaker 2: the dog is attracted, the pet is attracted to the
Speaker 2: to the spill. Is that where you went?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Yeah, so anna freeze can be skin spilled. So if
Speaker 6: we're putting ana freeze in our cars, it can it
Speaker 6: can be careful if it spills, and because we're looking
Speaker 6: at such a small amount, you know, a couple of teaspoons,
Speaker 6: even a little spill can be dangerous, so we always
Speaker 6: encourage people to make sure that you clean that up.
Speaker 6: And sometimes just that there's a leak that can be
Speaker 6: another issue as well for a car.
Speaker 2: Okay, and then you mentioned short he had breaths. But
Speaker 2: also older pets, just like older people, can can find
Speaker 2: themselves in trouble in really cold weather if they're not
Speaker 2: taking care of it. How concerned, I mean, what what
Speaker 2: do we need to look for in older pets on
Speaker 2: if you know, if they're out of the yard or
Speaker 2: and hopefully they're not out of the yard all day
Speaker 2: and the weather we've been dealing with. But if you
Speaker 2: did for a walk, what what what's the tip off
Speaker 2: that maybe it's time to make the walk a little
Speaker 2: shorter on a very cold day.
Speaker 6: It's a great question because even young pets also the
Speaker 6: same same issue if they don't have a lot of
Speaker 6: you know, body body fat, and they're young, so young
Speaker 6: and old I both usually counsel clients about watching for
Speaker 6: both of those. With the older dogs, though yes, exactly right,
Speaker 6: especially if they have a condition to chronic condition that
Speaker 6: makes them less likely to be able to handle the cold,
Speaker 6: so be cautious about that. They're also going to slip
Speaker 6: on the ice, just like we all do, so they're
Speaker 6: not quite as agile. But when you really start looking
Speaker 6: at your older pets, just keep in mind, especially that
Speaker 6: as it gets colder, they can't tolerate that as much. Again,
Speaker 6: that's why we might consider about some layers. They're going
Speaker 6: to potentially become disoriented or they don't want to go out.
Speaker 6: I usually tell clients pay attention to your older pets.
Speaker 6: If it seems like they don't really want to be
Speaker 6: out in the weather, it's probably a good sign that
Speaker 6: they need to come back inside.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that pets probably a lots more sometimes
Speaker 2: than humans. You know. One of the things that you
Speaker 2: always are concerned about is the middle of the night,
Speaker 2: you know, the dog lets you know that he needs
Speaker 2: he or she needs to go out, and it's snowing
Speaker 2: or something. How do you know? And I've had dogs,
Speaker 2: so I think I know the answer to this question.
Speaker 2: Come out the door and you go to that area
Speaker 2: that you've kind of shoveled off. They know what they're
Speaker 2: supposed to do. But how do you determine when it's
Speaker 2: taken a little longer and it's getting a little colder
Speaker 2: by the second. Is there any rule of thumb that
Speaker 2: you could share with.
Speaker 6: Us on that that's frustrating? You know, I feel like
Speaker 6: I'm yelling at my dog.
Speaker 4: Coop naty coo, potty, right, how long to just quickly
Speaker 4: leave them out?
Speaker 6: So I get it if a rule of thumb really
Speaker 6: depends on the pet. Again, when you're starting to forty degrees,
Speaker 6: really watch what type of pet that you have. So
Speaker 6: if it's a little dog, no hair, you want to
Speaker 6: be careful, right, So ten minutes Sometimes it's just something
Speaker 6: that we use as a rule of thumb, but I
Speaker 6: mean with windshield and frost, it might be faster than that.
Speaker 6: You may need to bring that pen before. And one
Speaker 6: thing I would caution and keep everyone in mind is
Speaker 6: pet's gonna come disoriented, especially when they get cold. So
Speaker 6: if you don't have a fenced area and you know
Speaker 6: we're gonna go out for that midnight potty, be very
Speaker 6: cautious that your pet can't get lost.
Speaker 4: They can be I never ever have a find I.
Speaker 2: Never leave a muff leash at night because you never
Speaker 2: know who's lurking twenty five or thirty feet away, and
Speaker 2: it could be mister Kayaker looking for dinner. Doctor Bruns,
Speaker 2: thank you very much, great information. Appreciate it very much.
Speaker 2: We all love pets, that's for sure. And thanks very
Speaker 2: much for joining us tonight and giving us some very
Speaker 2: helpful reminders.
Speaker 3: Ex so well.
Speaker 6: Happy to be helpful to pet parents and everybody say safe.
Speaker 2: And warm, okay, thanks, thanks so much again. Doctor Jennifer
Speaker 2: runs Pets Want Vetinary Services. Thanks thanks, doctor, appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
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