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Speaker 1: Welcome back, everyone to a new episode of You Were

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Wrong with Molly Hemingway, editor in chief of The Federalist,

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and David Harsani, senior writer at The Washington Examiner. If

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you'd like to email the show, please do so at

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radio at the Federalist dot com. Molly, did you see

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all the crying this week that happened over the Donald

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Trump victory? The late night shows, the politicians. I'm not

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a big schadenfreud guy, but I do enjoy that.

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Speaker 2: I actually am a big schadenfreud app person and really

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really enjoyed watching the crying. But I do think it's

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worth noting that twenty sixteen and twenty twenty four are

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like two totally different worlds, and I wonder if people

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are forgetting what happened in twenty six team. You know,

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that was a huge shock the Trump won, and immediately

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riots and protests broke out all over the country with

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these shock troops from the Democrat Party causing violence, you know, shootings.

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It was hysteria, and that hysteria kind of enabled a

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media coverage that treated Trump's victory as something that needed

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to be resisted. And you also saw the people flirting

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with really elaborate, insane conspiracy theories like the Russia collusion hoax,

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or you might remember that all the celebrities taped that

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PSA asking electors to become faithless electors and not elect

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Donald Trump at the Electoral College back when doing stuff

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like that was not something you got put in prison for,

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and it was just mass hysteria and media. I mean,

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I remember, like Trump did a press conference. I can't

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remember at what point in the transition it was, and

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I just remember media people just screaming, and so, yes,

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I've seen the crying from mostly older, single white ladies,

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and I guess younger single white ladies met, but I

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talk show hosts, and then I've also seen oh wait,

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you know who is the My favorite one was John

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Dickerson crying, oh yeah, his party lost the election. I

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liked it. That guy likes to think of himself as

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being in any way moderate and he's grown man crying

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on national television.

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Speaker 1: Well, I didn't want to jump check on there. Yeah, yeah,

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I want to talk about that in a moment, but

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I just wanted to mention I think there are three

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reasons why you don't have the rioting and the reaction.

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One is that he won convincingly. It's a solid win.

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It's very difficult to pretend anything hinky went on. You can't.

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The other is the other part of that is that

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most people have gone through a Trump presidency. They realize

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that it's not the end of the world. So while

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they can pretend he's hitler, they know he's not. And

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I forgot the third one, and that's it.

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Speaker 2: Well, I just want to say, because I know you're

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I know you're not a fan of talking about a

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majority vote in a system where we elect people through

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the electoral college, and I totally one hundred percent agree

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with you on that. There is we don't run this

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competition with an eye toward the popular vote, because that's

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not how you're elected. It's like if you at the

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end of a football game said, well, this team had

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the most first downs, so that's you know, that's they're

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the real winner. Nope, you're just judged on score. And

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so people need to calm down about the popular vote.

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But it's also true that that hysteria in twenty sixteen

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was enabled in part by them. They were they found

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it easier to resist the constitutional order because of that.

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And so when you say it's decisive. It was, but

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it wasn't like that much bigger than his twenty sixteen win, right,

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I can't remember how much.

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Speaker 1: Listen, the truth is so.

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Speaker 2: When it comes to the percentage of the country that

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has rejected the hysteria and the lies of the left,

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that really was you can feel that change in the air.

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You can feel it with how people are openly wearing

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Trump gear, and all the football players doing end zone celebrations,

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and all the kids doing their replicate replicas of the

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dance the Donald Trump punch dance man.

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Speaker 1: He won. He swept all the swing states, which I

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think is indicative of a win. I mean, if you

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look at it in historical perspectives, there have been far

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bigger wins. I wouldn't technically call it a landslide. Everyone

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gets so mad at when I say that, but it

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is a solid win. My point is that it's there's

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nothing really that they can say. You know, it's very

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difficult to get conspiracy theories moving here because he won

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pretty decisively. And let's be honest. Oh that was the

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third thing. I believe most people within the Democratic Party

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and in media knew that Trump was going to win,

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so they were prepared for him to win. It wasn't

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a surprise that he won. I think Donald Trump winning

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in twenty sixteen surprised almost everyone. I don't believe anyone

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was really that surprised here. You know, I don't make predictions,

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but if I had to, and in private, I thought

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Trump was going to win this election. I didn't think

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he would win all those blue wall states, which I

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don't think we really called him that anymore, but I

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thought he would win.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's the only Republican who seems to have

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been able to tear down that blue wall. So I

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don't know what'll happen once he's off the scene. One

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quick point on the landside thing, and I think, you know,

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people are looking back at some of these huge electoral

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college victories that we're seen in you know, under Reagan

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or Bill Clinton. Right, he had some pretty big ones.

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there is this situation where this is if you're just

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looking at the actual reality of the situation, how the

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country has changed, how populationshifts have occurred, how immigration has

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radically changed, the makeup of the country, is about as

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big of a win as you're going to see so

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I think that also explains why people are treating it

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more like a landslide than you would expect relative to

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the numbers.

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Speaker 1: It's just far on the topic, though, I do think

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it's a mistake. I don't like the word mandate for anyone,

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because honestly, that's just a made up word. You can

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do whatever you can do with the people that you've elected,

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and you don't have any kind of special power because

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you've won extra votes. And Barack Obama had a huge

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victor in two thousand and eight, everyone acted like it

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was over, like this is the new reality. By twenty ten,

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he was done. You know, I'm just saying he acted

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in a way where he thought he had this mandate

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to push everyone around to cramp. He was done in

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the sense that he lost hundreds of seats lost, Congress

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couldn't pass another real law after that that you know,

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agenda item, and he acted in a way that was

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very you know, he abused his executive power instead. But

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what I mean is nothing is static in politics. It's

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always moving, and people shouldn't act like this moment means

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that everything's changed, you know. For that's just my perspective.

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I'm not saying he shouldn't push his agenda through. He should.

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He was elected to do that. But I don't know.

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Sometimes people get excited by landslides. They think that remember

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when they were talking about the forever Democratic majority and

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Republicans would never win again. I think in the two thousands,

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you know, it changed very quickly the Sea Party, when

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the Senate, Congress, etc.

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Speaker 2: So I agree with you, but I feel like there's

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something else that's there that needs to be talked about too,

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which is okay. So where I agree with you, people

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always overstate their popularity, how how much the win is

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about them versus about dislike of the other person. You

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see that with alarming frequency. It's also true that this

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election seemed to be much more a repudiation of sort

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of like the way things have been run for decades,

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because when you look at how every single institution was

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aligned against even the possibility of a Trump victory, whether

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that's the media, the academy, you know, all of the

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sort of NGOs that are out there at the global opinion,

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it was treated as if you were voting for Donald Trump,

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that made you worse than Hitler, quite literally, and for

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people to vote him in on his and he's been

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pretty consistent. You know, you were fond upon pointing out

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how moderate his policies are relative to a lot of Republicans.

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But what those proposals are which are carrying through from

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the first administration, are pretty popular. And I think people

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feel that this is not just an election to a

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four year term of a president, but maybe more like

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a chance to really get America back. Like did I

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mention this? One of my family members was saying that

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if Trump wins, he wants to move back to America.

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He lives in America, but his point was he feels

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like maybe America, like the America that we all love

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and feel very proud about, that that could come back.

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And so, while you are absolutely right that people overread

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a mandate, it's also true that people very much want

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just some normalcy, some love of America, those things like

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you read the Declaration of Independence and it's this certain

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spirit that it captures of this American individual independence. And

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something has happened in recent years to try to crush

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the individual and to go after people who are successful

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and to make it harder for successful people to invent

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and to dream and to dream big and you're seeing

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a feeling of like one of things that's great about

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in America is not just that you can rise, but

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that you can fall, right, like the whole flux of it.

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Just because you're born in a certain way doesn't mean

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that you're going to stay there. And it has seemed

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more and more that sometimes like if you're born into wealth,

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you just get to stay there, and if you're not

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born into wealth, it's this more difficult to achieve dream

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and so I think people just want to return to

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that freedom and the market place of ideas and the

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marketplace of success. And so maybe it's impossible to achieve

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in four years, but there does seem to be that,

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like they're just tired of the suppression of the of freedom.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't deny them their feelings, I think, and

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I think I agree with actually a lot of that.

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But I just remember the OBAMAI ers remember him winning

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and they felt like this was they were going to

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change everything. I actually don't.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean they did, like they they Yeah, I.

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Speaker 1: Mean they did, they did. Yeah, they did in many ways.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's a good reminder that what you what

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you're hopeful about could turn into something very dark.

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Speaker 1: And I just want to I tweeted this out, and

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you know, I just whenever a lot of people are happy,

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as a huge group of people are happy, it makes

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me very uncomfortable and I get restless, and I want

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to I want to make sure that they're not as happy.

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I want to take away a little bit of their happiness.

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they should put so much hope and so much of

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their personal hope into a person. It is a mistake.

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They will always fail you. And whether it's Donald Trump

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or Barack Obama, I don't care. I'm not saying this

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isn't people take are very sensitive when you talk about

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Trump because other people, I admit, are over the top

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all the time criticizing. I'm just saying he's a politician,

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he's different than most. But you shouldn't put all your

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hopes into the government. And you need to build locally,

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build your community, and need you know, if you really

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want to make America great again.

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Speaker 2: So do you know that psalm put not your trust

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in princes nor in the son of man in whom

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there is no help.

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Speaker 1: I've heard it. I've heard it.

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Speaker 2: Happy is he that hath the God of Jacob for

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his help? Whose hope is in the Lord his God. Yeah,

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I don't know why people put I mean, I guess

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it's like a long time problem that we've had that

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people put there for sure faith and.

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Speaker 1: The less religious people are, the more they do it,

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and the worse it gets. I think the reason I think, yeah, yeah,

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of course.

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Speaker 2: Please On that point. One of the things I've liked

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seeing in social media is people saying, Okay, we're done

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with this pronoun stuff, And to me, that speaks to

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what you're saying in a good way, like this is

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not about one man, this is not about a political party.

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This is really about reclaiming a spirit of tolerance and

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freedom of speech and rejection of absurdity. Like the more

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that can sift its way through the American people, the

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better I think.

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Speaker 1: I thanks for bringing that up. So I was going

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to say to me, my favorite president. One of my

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favorite presidents is Warren Harding, and I I think he

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was better president than Trump and all that, But I

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do think Trump reminds me, or his movement reminds me

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a bit of this return to normalcy. Let's not forget

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that Harris Kamala Harris was probably one of the worst

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presidential candidates there was, and Tim Walls was probably the

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worst vice president presidential candidate in history. However, they are

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a product of their movement, and the left has gotten

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very weird. They speak in the social science quackery jargon

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that people don't like, They believe in things that people

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turn off people. And as much as everyone you know

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bashes Trump in the media and so on, he is

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one of the most normal candidates we've had, I mean

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the sense of the things I call I think he's

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more of a normy than a conservative in the sense

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that I could he reminds me more of a nineties

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Democrat than he does a movement conservative. He's not ideological,

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and I think people feel safe within that kind of

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political you know, philosophy, and they're not really turned off

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by it as much as others would hope. Now people

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there are going to be people who vote Democrat no

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matter who's running, and vice versa. But I think Trump

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that's why he expanded the appeal of the party. Again.

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or not, but that's why I think it happened. I

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wanted to make fun of the crying guys because I

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wanted to give you the four reasons a man is

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allowed to cry in public. One it is death yours,

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death of yours, yeah yeah, death of a relative, birth

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of a child, your favorite team winning a championship, and

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the death of a dog. Now those are the only

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four reasons. Everything else you have to cram down. You

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don't do it. Too many men are crying in our society.

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It drives me bananas. I don't like it, all right,

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that's all I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I'm I was raised by a very stoic mother who

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I only saw cry once I think related to the

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death of her death of her brother. Dad is very

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emotional and kind of very manly, but very emotional. Like

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he can watch a soup commercial and he'll be like,

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oh the kid, what they did to him was wrong,

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you know, Like he's just very much wears his heart

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on his sleep. And also, my mom's a libertarian and

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my dad's like a blue collar Democrat type or was

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before the party went insane. But my husband, I think

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of his sister. Yeah, so that checks out. Yeah, he's

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so he's so unemotional that even the rest of it

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did not yield tears.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if you feel like crying, you have to go home,

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go into the back. Like when my daughter's left for college.

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I went into the bathroom, I gave a little cry

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by myself, and I got out and I moved on.

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You cannot crying for these people. You're supposed to be

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the rock, you're supposed to be defend them, you know,

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and they can't see you crying. You want to talk?

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Do you want to Would you like to talk about

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the Senate race for leadership or would you rather talk

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about Trump's appointments? First?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think the Senate race. We're recording this in

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the morning while the Senate race is going on. Now

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do we have an answer yet on what it is?

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So when people are listening, they'll already.

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Speaker 1: Know, Well, do you have a favorite?

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Speaker 2: Not really. I mean, there's a reason why all of

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the Conservatives seem to be behind Rick Scott in that

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he's proposing a less dictatorial Senate leadership position. So the

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lay of the land is that Mitch McConnell has been

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running things for quite some time. He has many strengths

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but also many weaknesses. The two cronies of his that

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are running to replace him are John Cornyn from Texas,

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John Thune from South Dakota, and then Rick Scott is

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sort of the challenger, and he did challenge McConnell last year.

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Was it was that two years ago?

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Speaker 1: Yes, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, that challenge of McConnell eventually led to McConnell stepping

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down as Senate Minority Leader and saying that he would

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agree to a let that he would have elections, which

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is what's going on this week. So the general situation

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is that you have to be really sly and savvy

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to run things but also to push your agenda. So

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you look at Chuck Schumer and I don't think people

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in the Republican Party give him as much credit as

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they do Nancy Pelosi, who's also really shrewd about how

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to run things. But Chuck Schumer has been Senate Majority

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Leader multiple times. He's really done a good job of

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accomplishing his mission, whatever it is, given the circumstances. He's

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probably got the best record for confirming judges of anyone

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in history. But he also pushes forth the other parts

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of the Democrat agenda. He thwarts any Republican plans, and

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he works really well at getting sort of like the

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establishment part of the Republican Party to go along with

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him in thwarting any traditional Republican voter agenda. So he's savvy,

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he's shrewd, but he's kind of friendlier to all the

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members of his caucus, whether they are on the more

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moderate side of things, like a Christen Cinema or Joe

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Manchin or the Elizabeth Warren Bernie Sanders sort of portion

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of the Democrat voting conference, whereas Mitch McConnell rules with

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an iron fist. And so if you so, you think

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back also to Nancy Pelosi, she says, you do whatever

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you need to do to get elected, and if that

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means that you're going to spend your entire campaign trashing me,

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I have no problem with it. You do what you

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need to do to get elected until we get the numbers,

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and then we we ride. And Mitch McConnell is more

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of the idea that if you don't bow down to him,

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he will not give you money, he will not give

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you committee assignments. He will I mean, I have stories

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which like hopefully someday I can tell, but we're told

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in confidence about some of the really like he has

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a long term memory about any slight toward him and

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he will never let it go. And so I think

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people are looking for a change from like I heard

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was it Ron Johnson today on the radio saying, just

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they're really looking forward to no matter who it is,

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it'll be a less dictatorial situation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't have a strong opinion on it, because

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I think you need someone who, yeah, he has the

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right politics, but also operates in a very efficient, incompetent way.

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There's a lot of you know, this is a bureaucracy

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in a way, and there's a lot you need to

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know how to do and do right and not get

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you know. You know. So I don't know if Scott

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It's a weird dude, a little bit right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, actually, so I feel like this has been

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the year of the autist, and I assume he's sort

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of on the scale. I don't know, but he's a

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very successful businessman and I think he does have that

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scene minded focus of there's a problem and we're going

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to overcome the problem, and then we're going to You know,

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he was going to do, and I was like, that

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is so Rick Scott. Are there are things to be

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said for all of them, but there's I mean, the

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reason why Conservatives like Rick Scott is because I think

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he's the one candidate who doesn't hate them. It doesn't

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mean he is totally one of them. And they want

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the Senate to be a great deliberating body and not

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just like a one man shop that decides everything that's

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going on. And so these senators, which they're now fifty three,

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they really want they really want it to be a

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deliberative body that tries to tackle the problems facing the country.

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Speaker 1: And we'll see probably when this runs, will know and

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that will be that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to ask you who you thought. But

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like it's going to be old news by the time

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this airs.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I have no clue. I feel like

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I feel like Scott's not he's the sort of the outsider. Right, Yes,

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it's most likely going to be one of the other twos.

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So Cornyn in Texas, right, I don't like because of

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his support of the gun laws that were the gun

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bill that was pushed by Murphy in Connecticut, right, he

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was a champion at the red flag laws and so on.

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I don't like, I'm not a huge fan of either

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any of them. Honestly, I don't think you're a great fit.

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But we'll see.

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Speaker 2: Probably Scott has the best voting record. But the thing

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I was thinking about with Dune is that he was

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the very first Senator to lead the stampede in twenty sixteen,

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when the Access Hollywood tape came out. He was the

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very first person to be like, well, we have to

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change horses this late in the race, and it almost

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I mean, I think a lot of people were really

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suspicious about how quickly he jumped on that and that

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it was him, and how much of an effort that

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was coordinated to sabotage Trump right ahead of the election.

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So anyone who kind of goes soft at that moment

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a few weeks before a pivotal election is you know,

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that's something you file away. Cornyn obviously has a horrible

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track record on all sorts of issues. You know, calls

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anyone who does not support his crazy neocon warmongering a

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Nazi literally, and he's got the horrible record on the

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other bills, guns, immigration, et cetera. But he's up for

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reelection in two years, so probably Republicans only have two

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years here this round of things anyway before they lose

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control of multiple things, or at least the House. Maybe

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I'm being too Maybe I don't know enough to say

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that right now.

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Speaker 1: But I actually think Democrats are going to have a

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tough time of the Senate next go around.

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Speaker 2: But if they don't have the House, that's enough to

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kind of so it's enough to.

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Speaker 1: Put Supreme Court justices and other judges on the bench,

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which I'm very happy about.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, but Thune might have more of an incentive

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to work with all parts of the party, particularly the

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Republican voting part of the party, if he's just got

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too years before re election. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see.

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Speaker 3: Did you know eight out of the last eleven creative

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jobs never really existed? The watch Dout on Wall Street

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your wallet. Over the course of the past year, the

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Labor Department has revised the Jobs report by over a

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million jobs. In case you forgot the Federal Reserve was

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using this info and making their policy decisions. Whether it's

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happening in DC or down on Wall Street, it's affecting

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Speaker 1: Let's turn to the Trump announcements of his not just

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cabinet but other you know, advisors and stuff. You want

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to just go through the list. Give me your thoughts

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on these people. Does that sound good, Susie Wilds, Is

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that any Miles?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I think Ellen's awesome. She was She's Pat Smmer Awl's

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the football announcer's daughter. I didn't even know that. It's amazing.

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Speaker 2: This has not been a secret, but for some reason,

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people only seem to realize it this week when she

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was named chief of staff. I think she's amazing. I

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love how much she has done and does not care

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at all about credit really, and there was no drama,

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very little drama that made it its way out of

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the campaign into the corporate media. She is just she's

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good and she's got a really good track record in Florida.

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You know a lot of elected officials. She is responsible

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for their successful campaigns, including Ronda Santis's first campaign. I

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do think about all those like little things that changed

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the direction of history, and Ronda Santis firing her was

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probably one of those things that really changed the course

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of history. Maybe I'm overstating it, but she seems to

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do a really good job of working with President Trump

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and being farm indirect and not angering him, and a

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lot of people have failed at that or tried to

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make it too much about them and not understand their role,

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and I think it makes That's one of the things

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I'm most happy about, actually, is that Susie is in

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that position.

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Speaker 1: A quick grant on something here, just quickly. I think

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it's very important for the Senate to be an independent institution.

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I don't care who the president is, so I wrote

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a comment about that. People got mad about that. On

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the other hand, though, Donald Trump needs to put people

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into his needs to hire people who are on board

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with his agenda in the executive branch. Senate's job isn't

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to make him happy, but he is. Last time, he

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hired a bunch of people who didn't believe in his mission,

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who undermined him, who kept firing people. I know he

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was a neophyte, and maybe that's why, but it feels

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like this time he's putting people in there who are

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both so far you know, who are both confident and

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want to help him succeed, not you know, be there

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to try to stifle him or teach him how things

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really work or whatever. So anyway, I just wanted to

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mention that, well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw this really funny tweet from I think

485
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it was Mike Solana about it was looking at a

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headline that said Donald Trump begins to fill his top

487
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posts with loyal, loyal defenders, and he said, wow, crazy

488
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that he's breaking with the long standing tradition of hiring

489
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people who hate your bleeping guts. Now it's weird too. Oh,

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he's filling his cabinet with people who are going to

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help him get done what he said he would get done. Wow,

492
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that's so. I'm so glad that that's a headline in

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the New York Times.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's not weird at all. I do think

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it would be important to get you know, to have

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people there who are going to maybe challenge your worldview occasionally,

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but it should not be the majority or most or

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even you know, anything, but a person or two. You know,

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so he is elected, he's allowed to pursue his agenda,

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and he should put people in that role in the

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executive brand should do that, and I think he has.

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So that brings me to oh.

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Speaker 2: Wait, wait real quickly, I want to say, because I

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thought when we were talking about Senate wasn't going to

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be leadership. It was going to be about this issue

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of the independence of the Senate. And I don't think

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the question is whether you want the Article one branch

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to be Article one. You know that you want it

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to be its own thing and retain its authority. I

510
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think the question is whether you want it to be

511
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completely independent of anything but Washington, DC. Like, the problem

512
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in the first Trump term really was that the Republican

513
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Senate and the Republican House did a lot to help

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sabotage and undermine the Trump presidency. Just take for example,

515
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they completely went along with the Russia collusion hoax and

516
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even like worked to protect it. You don't need to

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be independent of Trump, I mean you do, you don't

518
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need it is not the same thing as saying you're

519
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dependent on Trump to just resist that kind of horrific, unconstitutional, unaccountable,

520
00:28:05,599 --> 00:28:09,000
unelected bureaucracy instead of just going along with it. And

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so I think what people are hoping to see in

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the Senate is an awareness of the seriousness of the situation,

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how some aggressive things might need to be done, and

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how they should be a partner in that effort rather

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than just be an obstacle. And if I can read

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something that I always like to think back on from

527
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twenty fourteen by Neil Freeman, who's this wonderful writer and

528
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person at affiliated with National Review, and it's after Mitch

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McConnell promised to crush the tea Party and had succeeded.

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So he's like, Mitch McConnell is a man of his word.

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He said that he would crush the tea party, and

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he did. He not only got himself renominated in Kentucky,

533
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but he helped renominate fellow Geope senators who are facing challenges.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: He goes on to kind of describe the situation, but

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he's saying, look at this moment in time, So twenty

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ten to twenty fourteen or twenty nine to twenty fourteen,

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imagine if you would a prayer breakfast in Washington, attended

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by the leadership of the GOP monsieurs Bayner, McConnell, Prebus,

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and their associates. They dropped to their knees, bow their heads,

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and invoke divine intercession in the country's troubled affairs and

542
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in the party's parless condition. Would it be too much

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to ask him to deliver unto them a mass political movement,

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self financed and benignly led, god fearing and well mannered,

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almost all of whose members believed in the literal version

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of the Republican platform, and almost none of whose members

547
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wanted anything from the federal government but constitutional restraint. Yes,

548
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it would have been too much to ask, but yes

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it has been given unto them. Anyway, the Tea Party

550
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arrived in vast friendly numbers and said to the GOP

551
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were not from the federal government, and we're here to help.

552
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What happened next was not pretty or smart. The GOP

553
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brass responded with insults, attack ads, collaborative media trashing, and finally,

554
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over the past six months, the charge of McConnell's geezer

555
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brigade to quote unquote crush the Tea Party. And here

556
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we thought Congressional Republicans were too prone to compromise, too

557
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quick to split the difference, and so I think this

558
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moment is what people get very frustrated with, is they

559
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get asked to deliver victories to the Republican Party, they

560
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secure those victories for the Republican Party, and then the

561
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geezer caucus in the Senate is like, like what Mitch

562
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McConnell said two weeks ago, he was planning to fight

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Republicans more than Democrats. This is incredibly frustrating to the

564
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average American voter, particularly the average Republican voter, that it's

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so self indulgent and so not focused on helping the country,

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and so they hide behind these like process questions or

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suddenly develop a newfound love of the Constitution that they

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haven't displayed for years. People want the Senate to stop

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being stupid, and they want Republicans in the Senate in

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particular to stop being less than one worthless well.

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Speaker 1: I definitely think McConnell has a mixed history. I think

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he's did some great things. I think he did his

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attacks on the Tea Party, I did not like. I

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was a big fan of the Tea Party all that.

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But I don't care what people want, and I care

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it's just me. I agree that the Senate is elect.

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If the Senate is elected to push the push forward

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the Republican agenda, they should do it, or voters should

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vote them out. But if you have leaders picked by

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the president say they need to say how loyal they

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are to the president and all of that, you have

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a big problem because then the leader owes his job

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to the executive branch and not the voters and not

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the Senate. That's, for me, is problematic. And i'll give

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you in a quick example of what makes me nervous.

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Donald Trump in twenty seventeen demanded that the Republicans get

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rid of the filibuster over the Obama over trying to

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overturn Obamacare. Miss McConnell said no. But if he has

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someone there who's scared to say no to him, you know,

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we can have bad things. Donald Trump is a politician.

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Almost every executive branch, when they get frustrated, they try

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to exert executive power. This is why we have separations

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of power. And that kind of thing worries me. I

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know that it doesn't worry most people, but it does

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worry me.

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Speaker 2: That's fine, it's not a constitutional issue. You know, you

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can have reasonable people can disagree Obviously, philibuster is not

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in the Constitution. You can choose to have it or not,

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and it's been used much more recently in a way

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that has bothered certain people on either side. It seems

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like I saw Jason Willocks saying something about how the

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agreement seems to be. Next time Democrats are in power,

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they'll get rid of the filibuster and Republicans won't do

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it until that moment. But then they'll both you know,

605
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both sides will use this.

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Speaker 1: When they do it, it will backfire on them, as

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it did when Harry Reid got blew up the judicial filibuster.

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It was a disaster for them. I think, you know,

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I hope they don't do it. I hope it comes

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to their senses. It's the only thing allowing federalism to

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exist anymore. If we didn't have a phil if he

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didn't have a filibuster, I'm sorry. If a filibuster was

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gone during the Republicans, if they killed in twenty seventeen,

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the first two years of the Biden administration would have

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destroyed America. They would have passed, they would have gotten

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rid of all elect overturned state election laws. They would

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have who knows what they would have passed. It would

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have been insane. So I mean, it's important to remember that.

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Speaker 2: I totally agree. I also think, I mean, I totally

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agree about being worried about not having filibuster, and it's

621
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this major protection for minority rights and that tends to

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help the Republican Party. It's also true what you just said,

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which is, the next time they get control, they're going

624
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to do everything. They're going to pack the court, they're

625
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going to destroy constitutional governance. So do you just like

626
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wait for that to happen.

627
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Speaker 1: We do a good job and keep getting elected. I mean,

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that's the only way to do it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just saying I think it's complicated.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. I understand there's idealism, there's the Constitution,

631
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and then there's power in the real world, and those

632
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,039
are two very different things. But I hope that we

633
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can strengthen the guardrails, you know, of the Constitution. I

634
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think it's important for us to try to stop Democrats

635
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want to destroy the Constitution in the future. Anyway, let's

636
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move on to some of these other folks. Deputy Chief

637
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:25,519
of Staff Stephen Miller, obviously a guy who is fully,

638
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:30,559
fully in on the Trump agenda, especially I guess border issues,

639
00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:33,519
right or something that cares about quite a.

640
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Speaker 2: Bit well, and it did really good work during the

641
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first administration and so and you know, in the White House,

642
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so he's well positioned to keep the winds coming.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about Secretary of Defense Pete Hexseth.

644
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Is that how you pronounce it. He's a I've seen him, Yeah,

645
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,400
you probably know him, works at Fox. This is the

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one that you know generated the most kind of sneering

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and mockery and listen. I don't know enough about the

648
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guy to know if he's going to do a good job,

649
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but I know that he I learned that he is

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highly educated, that he has two Bronze Stars. I believe

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that he served for a long time, that he's an

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advocate for veterans, and that the people I trust say

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he's a really good guy. So I don't know how

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you feel about it.

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Speaker 2: Well, I know and love Pete Higsith. He's a wonderful guy,

656
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like a really great guy, and cares deeply about the

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people who fight the wars. And traditionally, the Secretary of

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Defense has been someone from the military industrial complex, like

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a literal arms merchant or lobbyist for military contractor arms seller,

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and that explains, I think, in part, why our military

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has been operating the way it has been operating. So

662
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you've had not just a problem with the execution of wars.

663
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So something happened, and this obviously is not new. Eisenhower

664
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warned about it in his farewell address that a military

665
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congressional industrial complex was threatening the security of the country

666
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because it cared more about having wars being run and

667
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have them being run for a long time to maximize

668
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the amount of money coming into the system, then to

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have a military posture focused mostly on our national security

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and what's in America's interests. And so I honestly think

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this is a really big task. I mean, this is

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not a small organization. The Defense Department has a lot

673
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of moving parts, a lot of people, a lot of

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procurement issues, a lot. It's a really big role. And

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so I think whoever it is should have a good

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team of supporters who understand the agency and department. But

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I was excited that it wasn't someone from the military

678
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industrial complex. That's a good sign.

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Speaker 1: Okay, next person on the list, we have Homeland Security

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Secretary A Christinome. I find her to be sort of

681
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a coward. I think she was a coward on protecting

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children in her state. I forget what the bill was about.

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I just remember not being annoyed with.

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Speaker 2: Her, Yeah, protecting girls and just opposing the radical transagenda.

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Speaker 1: Right. So this is a big organization, obviously, it's an

686
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umbrella organization of sorts. It seems like a big job

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for you know. I just I feel like there are

688
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probably more serious people that could have taken this on.

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I mean, I'm not angry about it or anything. I

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just I feel like it's a myth choice. I don't

691
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know if you agree with that, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm keeping an open mind. I John Davison

693
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wrote a piece for US about how nobody should be

694
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nominated to run the Department of Homeland Security because the

695
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Department of Homeland Security shouldn't exist, and that is, you know,

696
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it's a really bad, sprawling department that does not accomplish

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its mission. It's also true, though, that we're preparing for

698
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mass deportations, and someone who's the Cabinet secretary should probably

699
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be stronger and less susceptible to media pressure than she

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has shown herself to be. I don't know. Again, trying

701
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to keep an open mind, and I do think probably

702
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I don't care about this at all, and it annoys

703
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me that people care about it. But they're probably looking

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to have some women as cabinet secretaries, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, CIA Agency director. Yeah, is good one. I'm a

706
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fan of myself. I just want to say today a

707
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,280
story just broke. I don't know, you know if you

708
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,519
saw it that there was a leaker within this CIA

709
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who sent Ron, he sent Iran information about Israel's attack. Now,

710
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can you imagine there there is obviously a whole culture

711
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in there of you know, undermining America's interest in our

712
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allies interests. That place needs someone who is no nonsense,

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00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:26,159
who's gonna do it's best for America. I watched a

714
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clip of John Radcliffe going after some Russia collusionist I

715
00:39:29,519 --> 00:39:32,639
forget who it was, but just ripping them apart. And

716
00:39:32,639 --> 00:39:35,159
this was around twenty eighteen when he was a congressman.

717
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,280
Just very impressive in that way. And he was very

718
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,039
impressive to me, if I remember correctly, During the Hunter

719
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:48,400
Biden cover up over his laptop, he came out and said,

720
00:39:48,559 --> 00:39:52,639
that is not Russian disinformation? Right? Am I right about that? Okay,

721
00:39:52,679 --> 00:39:53,440
so yeah.

722
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 2: Also he also got out the news that the intelli

723
00:40:00,039 --> 00:40:03,920
Jen's community knew that Hillary Clinton was purchasing and running

724
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:08,280
a Russia operation, that Russia knew that Hillary Clinton was

725
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,480
running a Russia operation. So when you hear all these

726
00:40:11,519 --> 00:40:14,079
other people that were in Intel saying like, oh, we

727
00:40:14,199 --> 00:40:17,079
know this was a legitimate investigation, and we just were

728
00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:20,719
going where the facts, let us that's a lie. And

729
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,559
Radcliffe was the one who showed that Obama had been

730
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,159
personally briefed that Hillary Clinton was ginning up a Russia

731
00:40:27,159 --> 00:40:30,199
collusion hoax, and that was really important stuff.

732
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 1: Obviously, I like his outlook and of the outlook of

733
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,559
other people we're going to talk about. The thing is, though,

734
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:39,920
there needs to be a culture change, training, the swamp,

735
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,280
whatever you want to call it. There really has to

736
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,840
be not just a temporary leadership change here, I think,

737
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,159
but you need to put people in positions of power.

738
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,920
We're going to change the culture in these places, I hope.

739
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:59,880
Which brings me to Secretary of Secretary of State Marco Rubio. Now,

740
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,119
I don't know, do you like this pic?

741
00:41:03,079 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, it hasn't been publicly announced. I

742
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,679
kind of wait until I know that it's been widely reported,

743
00:41:09,199 --> 00:41:12,440
but always, no matter who the president is, you kind

744
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,039
of wait for the official announcement. But that goes triple

745
00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:20,760
for Trump, So I don't mind it. I think it

746
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,679
could have been stronger. But I don't have like a

747
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,960
problem with Marco riview, And in fact, I think he's

748
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,440
shown like I got a lot of good growth in.

749
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 4: You.

750
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 1: Now you're making me nervous because I am happy. I'm

751
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,159
happy with that pick if it happens, because I like,

752
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,519
I mean, it tells me that the many of the

753
00:41:42,599 --> 00:41:45,480
paleo types within the Trump camp do not have the

754
00:41:45,519 --> 00:41:48,519
final say almost I don't think. I don't know. I

755
00:41:48,519 --> 00:41:51,119
don't think Tucker Carlson would like Marco Rubio there.

756
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 2: I know, I think you might be. I think people

757
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:57,400
might overstate. You know, there are there are all sorts

758
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:01,440
of different camps in foreign policy, and it is annoying

759
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,079
to have it reduced simply, as we've talked before, to

760
00:42:04,199 --> 00:42:08,800
neocon or the absurd claim which almost nobody is although there,

761
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,800
I mean, there are a few of isolationists. There are

762
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,320
all sorts of different camps along the way, and Donald

763
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,719
Trump has always had a people have tried to write

764
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,000
him into their own foreign policy, whether it's Neocon or realist,

765
00:42:21,599 --> 00:42:25,840
and to me, it's just this very American way of being.

766
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,880
Bridge Colpley talked about this in his podcast that he

767
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,400
did with Tucker Carlson. But there's like a long history

768
00:42:32,199 --> 00:42:36,440
of American understanding of when and where to use our military,

769
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,199
which is not never, but it's just designed around the

770
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:43,639
American interest. And so there are some bitter clinger Neocons,

771
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,000
and those people would definitely be out on the outs.

772
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:47,599
But there are also people who just kind of grew

773
00:42:47,679 --> 00:42:49,679
up in an environment where the only way to be

774
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,519
was a Neocon and they didn't really reflect that much

775
00:42:52,519 --> 00:42:55,239
on other positions, and as they encountered them, they saw

776
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,280
the beauty of them, or or they just learned from

777
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:01,599
the disasters of certain Neocon wars. So there's I think

778
00:43:01,639 --> 00:43:07,400
people get too reductionist on these things. And so there

779
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,840
are definitely people that might like better than a Marco Rubio,

780
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:21,320
like even the other Tennessee Senator Hagod Parity, someone like

781
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,360
that who's been maybe a better leader on some of

782
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:25,000
these issues.

783
00:43:25,039 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 4: But it's all kind of it's I don't know, I

784
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,800
think there's been an over correction because of the Neocon

785
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,760
thing where any kind of you know, there are people

786
00:43:35,119 --> 00:43:37,639
who find any kind of military action.

787
00:43:37,519 --> 00:43:40,199
Speaker 1: You know, they recoil from the thought. I think that

788
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,960
we occasionally need to show people that they can't mess

789
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,000
with us. I think people are taking liberties with us

790
00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:46,800
in a lot of places in the world right now.

791
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,440
I'm not saying we should be in these long wars.

792
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,000
It's not even really the wars. It's the nation building

793
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,119
of the neocon establishment that I think is the worst idea.

794
00:43:56,159 --> 00:43:59,760
But whatever I think Marco Rubio, first of all, I'm

795
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:01,280
happy to get him out of the Senate. I think

796
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:06,880
DeSantis can pick someone who is pro capital. His foreign

797
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:11,360
policy is I love, so for me, that's just a

798
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:12,840
great pick. So I don't know.

799
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,679
Speaker 2: And Mark Rubio is actually who I wish were the

800
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:19,079
next Senate Majority leader because I like that. I actually

801
00:44:19,159 --> 00:44:21,280
like his moderation. I like that he gets along with

802
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,519
people on all sides of things. You don't want to

803
00:44:23,519 --> 00:44:25,960
have as your Senate Majority leader someone who's beholden to

804
00:44:26,079 --> 00:44:30,400
one fringe or extreme of the caucus or another. But

805
00:44:30,679 --> 00:44:31,079
he's out.

806
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:31,679
Speaker 1: I guess.

807
00:44:31,679 --> 00:44:33,639
Speaker 2: Oh. Actually, on that note, who do you think Ronda

808
00:44:33,679 --> 00:44:36,920
Santis will pick to be the replacement?

809
00:44:37,159 --> 00:44:41,199
Speaker 1: So if he picks someone, that person serves for a year, right,

810
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,800
and then some two years two years that you serve yeah,

811
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:49,039
I'm sorry, two years, and then Rond DeSantis can run

812
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,280
right for the Senate because can't be governor anymore.

813
00:44:52,599 --> 00:44:54,159
Speaker 2: I think he could, but I don't know if he

814
00:44:54,199 --> 00:44:56,280
wants to. You know, he was a member of the House.

815
00:44:56,599 --> 00:44:58,639
I mean, first of all, couldn't he pick himself right

816
00:44:58,679 --> 00:45:00,000
now if you wanted to?

817
00:45:00,679 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 1: He said he will. I believe he said he wasn't

818
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:04,639
going to know. Maybe not.

819
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,280
Speaker 2: I already said anything about it. He's abroad right now

820
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,599
on a trip to Italy a business, you know, trying

821
00:45:11,599 --> 00:45:16,320
to drum up business for Florida. So I would love

822
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:18,519
I think, Well, I don't know. I don't know if

823
00:45:18,639 --> 00:45:21,280
Ron de Santis likes being in a legislature. I think

824
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,239
he's a good executive, so I'm not sure if he'd

825
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,360
want to appoint himself. But the thing is, there are

826
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,199
some really good members of the House, but you can't

827
00:45:30,199 --> 00:45:35,079
really lose any more members of the House. A Cat

828
00:45:35,199 --> 00:45:40,280
Camick who's from Castle Rock, Colorado, great place to be from, uh,

829
00:45:40,519 --> 00:45:42,679
you know, Byron Donald's. But I think I think they

830
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,800
both supported Trump. I don't know if that is the

831
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,320
problem for decantists or whether he's going to pick a

832
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,199
loyalist himself. I don't know.

833
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 1: I think he should pick a loyalist in the sense of,

834
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,119
if he does want to run, someone who won't run,

835
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,719
who just wants to sort of sit there for two years.

836
00:45:57,079 --> 00:45:58,559
If he doesn't want to run, he should pick the

837
00:45:58,559 --> 00:46:00,480
best person available.

838
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:02,679
Speaker 2: Oddly enough to sort of trust him to make the

839
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:08,559
right decision. But all of these picks, like Mike Waltz

840
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:12,159
getting picked from Florida to be National Security Advisor, that

841
00:46:12,199 --> 00:46:14,079
one kind surprised me. It's not that I didn't know

842
00:46:14,119 --> 00:46:17,239
he was in the running, but I don't know I

843
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:21,400
could have seen him more in a defense defense sec

844
00:46:21,679 --> 00:46:22,360
or defense.

845
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 1: Are you worried? Are you worried that a lot of

846
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,559
these folks aren't as I know, they voted against the

847
00:46:28,639 --> 00:46:31,079
last funding bill for Ukraine with Israel and so on,

848
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,119
which was just a political stump by Democrats, I believe.

849
00:46:35,199 --> 00:46:37,639
Are you worried that they're a little more too inclined

850
00:46:37,639 --> 00:46:41,079
to continue the policies of the Biden administration as far

851
00:46:41,079 --> 00:46:42,159
as Ukraine goes.

852
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 2: I don't know. I feel like both Marco Rubio and

853
00:46:47,039 --> 00:46:52,360
Mike Waltz were naturally inclined to join the next interventionist war,

854
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:57,199
but that they aren't totally insane about it.

855
00:46:57,679 --> 00:46:58,679
Speaker 1: So I don't know.

856
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 2: I Donald Trump had John Bolton as his national security

857
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,599
advisor at one point. Who that's insane.

858
00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:09,079
Speaker 1: That is an interesting point you make about Bolton. Did

859
00:47:09,079 --> 00:47:10,840
you hear him on Rogan say that he would just

860
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:14,159
break up bring out Bolton to scare everyone, you know?

861
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then hey, I reported that in my book. Okay,

862
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:18,639
from an interview.

863
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, So it feels like his foreign policy staff

864
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:28,079
is a little more to the you know, I know,

865
00:47:28,119 --> 00:47:29,920
you don't like the word, but the hawkers side than

866
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,840
he is, and he will be the person who makes

867
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,119
the final decision. So he's, you know, it kind of

868
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,960
is a you know, tempers the instincts of a Marco

869
00:47:40,039 --> 00:47:43,039
Rubio or someone like that. Maybe, you know, I don't know.

870
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,519
Speaker 2: I think he's looking for people who understand that it's

871
00:47:47,559 --> 00:47:50,719
his agenda and that will help him advance his agenda

872
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,840
as opposed to what was happening earlier, which is he

873
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:56,400
would say we need to pull our troops out of

874
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,119
Syria and they would just say, oh, well, there's no

875
00:47:58,159 --> 00:47:59,599
way we can do it, and you'd have to keep

876
00:47:59,599 --> 00:48:02,119
saying it. I remember there was a CNN story about

877
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:06,719
all the different ways that his first I think it

878
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:10,800
was his first sectef had thwarted the will of Trump

879
00:48:11,159 --> 00:48:13,679
to keep the war going in Syria. So I think

880
00:48:13,679 --> 00:48:16,039
he's just looking for people who won't play those stupid games.

881
00:48:16,079 --> 00:48:17,360
He can kind of deal with the fact that they

882
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,639
all might have different natural views. The job in an

883
00:48:20,639 --> 00:48:24,360
administration is not to have your own policy that you

884
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:28,159
were not elected for because you're not elected. Your jobs

885
00:48:28,159 --> 00:48:30,159
to implement the policy of the person who was elected.

886
00:48:30,159 --> 00:48:34,920
And I think John Bolton and John Kelly had trouble

887
00:48:35,039 --> 00:48:38,480
understanding that the American people had not elected them. I

888
00:48:38,519 --> 00:48:40,119
don't think that's going to be an issue with any

889
00:48:40,119 --> 00:48:40,559
of these.

890
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 1: People, Waltz Rubio. These are serious people who I believe

891
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:49,400
have seriously thought about foreign policy and have their They

892
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,639
see China's our biggest threat. I think that reflects Donald

893
00:48:52,639 --> 00:48:55,119
Trump's views on foreign policy as well in any way,

894
00:48:55,199 --> 00:48:57,440
So I like it. I mean, I think this is

895
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:01,880
the most pro Israel cat you know, foreign policy group

896
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,039
that has probably ever been in the White House. I

897
00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:06,800
would say, obviously that's going to get a lot of

898
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,360
conspiracy theories going. But I think Bbie is going to

899
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,039
call in and say cool it. Like after Mike Hackabee

900
00:49:12,079 --> 00:49:15,159
as a bassador for a guy who says there's no

901
00:49:15,199 --> 00:49:19,440
such thing as occupied territories, who says, what did he say? Oh,

902
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,920
there's no such things as settlers. There are just towns

903
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:25,360
and houses with Jews in them, Like like, I'm just

904
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:29,199
flabbergasted that we have such excellent people, you know, as

905
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:30,960
far as Israel. Those by the.

906
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 2: Way, to me, this is a perfect example where people say, oh,

907
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,239
he's putting in all of these people who are friendly

908
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,480
to Israel. This is not in any way a conflict

909
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,760
with Trump or Vance, who have been explicit about their

910
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,400
support for Israel, viewing it as a key ally and

911
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,760
a key agent of peace in the region. I mean,

912
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,679
we lived through the first Trump administration, we lived through

913
00:49:51,679 --> 00:49:54,760
the Abraham course, this massive effort as people were like, oh,

914
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:58,519
he's putting in all these Israel friendly people. Yeah, there's nothing,

915
00:49:58,559 --> 00:50:03,320
you know, but they're agually it's some kind of disappointment

916
00:50:03,559 --> 00:50:06,480
from what they were expecting. And it's like, if you

917
00:50:06,519 --> 00:50:08,719
were expecting something other than that, you were not paying

918
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,880
attention to what these people said, including jd. Vance at

919
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,440
the Quincy Institute when he laid out a foreign policy

920
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,239
that showed a strong relationship with Israel.

921
00:50:16,639 --> 00:50:20,119
Speaker 1: So I think you're right about people what you said before,

922
00:50:20,159 --> 00:50:23,239
about people fooling themselves into believing that this person's going

923
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,800
to just be a imbued, imbue government with all their

924
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,960
hopes and dreams, you know. And there are you have

925
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,159
to admit, there are on the right a bunch of

926
00:50:32,199 --> 00:50:34,880
paleo people who don't like that relationship with Israel. But

927
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:39,239
Trump has been the best president for Israel. And you know,

928
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,480
I'm just as a person who cares about that very much.

929
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:46,440
I'm excited about about these choices, you know, So it

930
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:47,159
works out.

931
00:50:47,039 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 2: On the Hawk could be one and I'm not you

932
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:54,440
know where he is theologically. But is that a new

933
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:59,159
approach to the ambassador to Israel? Like is it normally.

934
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:05,280
Speaker 1: Jew or it is approach? Okay, Friedman was the last guy.

935
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:09,719
I yeah, Usually you'll name some j Listen, this is

936
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:14,159
gonna get me some Mail, I think. But American Christians,

937
00:51:14,159 --> 00:51:17,360
Evangelical specifically, but others as well, have been better for

938
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,119
Israel and more pro Israel and understand the importance of

939
00:51:20,159 --> 00:51:24,280
Israel more than most American Jews do. Hawkabi understands that

940
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,679
situation in a moral sense better than most left wing

941
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:33,559
Jews do. And I think it's great we didn't talk

942
00:51:33,559 --> 00:51:36,480
about borders czar. They should stop using the czar word.

943
00:51:36,559 --> 00:51:41,199
I think it's a bad grassation sent exactly. But even

944
00:51:41,199 --> 00:51:44,719
before I hated it with Obama. But Tom Holman, who

945
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,360
that guy is? As the kids say, off the hook

946
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:48,599
or do they say that anymore?

947
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:53,079
Speaker 2: But at so many people who just like keep looking

948
00:51:53,119 --> 00:51:55,239
for clips of him talking to people, and they're loving

949
00:51:55,280 --> 00:52:00,159
his answers. So on sixty minutes when his debater was saying, oh,

950
00:52:00,199 --> 00:52:02,559
it's going to cost this much money to deport and

951
00:52:02,599 --> 00:52:03,920
he's like, I don't know where that. I don't know

952
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,800
where your numbers came from, which is just I love

953
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,599
the response of just immediately questioning whatever the claim is,

954
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:12,960
because who knows where they came from and how they

955
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:16,679
developed those numbers. But then he's like, what price do

956
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,400
you put on national security? And then when she says,

957
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,559
you know, what are you going to do about if

958
00:52:22,599 --> 00:52:25,480
you're deporting? Like is there any way to is there

959
00:52:25,519 --> 00:52:29,119
any way to keep families together during this deportation process?

960
00:52:29,159 --> 00:52:32,119
And he's like, yeah, they can all be deported together.

961
00:52:33,599 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 1: Isn't it. It's so weird that people are upset that

962
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,840
someone is going to uphold the law that's written and

963
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:44,239
that everyone including Barack Obama and Chuck Schumer supported not

964
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:48,719
a few years ago. I think love that way. Yeah,

965
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:50,039
oh sorry, no, no, go on.

966
00:52:50,119 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 2: Please the AOC when she's interrogating him about deportations and

967
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:57,280
she claims that it's not against the law to break

968
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,840
the law to be here legally or to cross them

969
00:53:00,119 --> 00:53:03,639
or legally, and he's just reciting the statutes that have

970
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:05,119
been violated. I love it.

971
00:53:05,639 --> 00:53:07,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how they're going to do it.

972
00:53:07,559 --> 00:53:10,079
I think marching police into how you don't need to

973
00:53:10,079 --> 00:53:12,599
do it in the way that the left imagines. You know,

974
00:53:13,159 --> 00:53:16,599
there are many ways to when you catch people, you

975
00:53:16,639 --> 00:53:18,719
send them back each time. You don't need to march

976
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,000
through the streets with the army to collect people.

977
00:53:21,599 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 2: Okay, this is another thing that Homan was talking about.

978
00:53:24,599 --> 00:53:27,800
There are already people who've gone through due process and

979
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:31,119
have received deportation orders, and I think it's like one

980
00:53:31,119 --> 00:53:34,400
point five million or something, some astronomically high number. And

981
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,159
he says we'll start there. And what I like about

982
00:53:37,159 --> 00:53:41,800
that is, if it's people who are say already detained

983
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,000
or not detained, you're going to have and they've already

984
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,559
gone through due process. For Democrats to fight this, they're

985
00:53:47,599 --> 00:53:50,679
going to have to literally like stand themselves in front

986
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:54,159
of a jail and say, don't take this lawbreaker in

987
00:53:54,199 --> 00:53:57,480
here and deport him. It's going to be a very

988
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,920
difficult move for them. They will have the help of

989
00:54:01,039 --> 00:54:03,519
the propaganda press, but we're also seeing that the propaganda

990
00:54:03,559 --> 00:54:07,039
press is kind of confused about how they have nowhere

991
00:54:07,039 --> 00:54:10,639
to go. They spent the entire campaign saying that the

992
00:54:10,679 --> 00:54:14,039
world would end if what happened happened, and it didn't end,

993
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,000
and so they're going to have a hard time keeping

994
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:17,960
the hysteria up.

995
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I personally believe that most Americans don't

996
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:26,920
like what's going on with the legal immigration, they don't

997
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,079
like the anarchy, they don't like any of it, and

998
00:54:29,119 --> 00:54:33,079
they'll be on board. EPA administrator is going to be

999
00:54:33,119 --> 00:54:35,760
Lee zeld In, who had like a fourteen percent rating

1000
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,079
from the Sierra Club or something, so he's perfect for

1001
00:54:38,159 --> 00:54:43,320
the job. I think that's another good pick. Then there's

1002
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:46,639
the Department of Government Efficiency with Elon Musk and vivek

1003
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:47,559
Rama stage.

1004
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:51,800
Speaker 2: It's not actually a department, it's just called the department.

1005
00:54:52,039 --> 00:54:55,719
But yes, yeah, it's more like I'm like blue Ribbon

1006
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:58,239
commission to look for ways to change things.

1007
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:01,519
Speaker 1: I think Elon Musk is built for this kind of thing.

1008
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,719
He didn't he fire like eighty percent of Twitter staff

1009
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,519
and they're still running even better than ever. He's done

1010
00:55:07,519 --> 00:55:12,679
that in his businesses before. I think he's a special talent,

1011
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:17,000
you know, in history. I don't really get the VVAX stuff.

1012
00:55:17,039 --> 00:55:18,800
I know people love him. I don't know why. I

1013
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:22,119
don't know what he's ever done to deserve this, But

1014
00:55:22,559 --> 00:55:25,400
I'm fine with this. The problem is that as many

1015
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:27,800
efficiencies as they find and it will all be great

1016
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:29,920
in the end, the debt bomb will go off. We

1017
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:33,440
don't actually make big structural reforms to entitlement programs. But

1018
00:55:33,519 --> 00:55:35,679
I don't want to get into a boring devisation.

1019
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,639
Speaker 2: Is it like a David X run thing, never let

1020
00:55:38,639 --> 00:55:40,679
a crisis go to waste?

1021
00:55:41,519 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 1: No, it was the ram and Manuel I think said

1022
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:45,559
never let it.

1023
00:55:46,079 --> 00:55:48,320
Speaker 2: So I actually think we're in that situation with the

1024
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:52,559
debt situation. So it's a whole They're going to have

1025
00:55:52,559 --> 00:55:56,039
to raise the debt ceiling, but it's an opportunity to

1026
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:59,559
make huge demands in exchange for raising the debt ceiling,

1027
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:04,280
and things do have to be changed wildly. We're, by

1028
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,159
the way, at the two year anniversary of the night

1029
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:09,440
Twitter died, which was a night when the corporate media

1030
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:13,039
we're talking to all their sources inside Twitter and Elon

1031
00:56:13,119 --> 00:56:15,440
Musk had said that people had to sign an agreement

1032
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:18,119
to actually start working and doing their jobs and showing

1033
00:56:18,199 --> 00:56:20,320
up at work, and if they couldn't sign the agreement,

1034
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,679
then they would get three months severance. And many people

1035
00:56:24,039 --> 00:56:27,199
would not sign the agreement, so they were leaving, and

1036
00:56:27,519 --> 00:56:29,840
the people who were leaving said they didn't think Twitter

1037
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,639
would make it through the night, and they were reporting

1038
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,119
that it was just going to break, or it might

1039
00:56:35,199 --> 00:56:37,280
like coast for a few days and then break. And

1040
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,920
that was two years ago, and it is increased dramatically

1041
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:42,400
in size and strength since then.

1042
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,599
Speaker 1: That's bigger than any other social media there is. Like

1043
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,079
I was looking at this chart the other day. Its

1044
00:56:48,119 --> 00:56:49,840
influence is massive. Yeah.

1045
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, So as it relates to government efficiency, I do

1046
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,559
think one of the problems we've had is that we're

1047
00:56:56,559 --> 00:56:59,960
always having people work on this who need to keep

1048
00:57:00,119 --> 00:57:03,000
keep working in DC, So they're always looking for ways

1049
00:57:03,079 --> 00:57:07,000
to not actually totally solve the problem, or they're unwilling

1050
00:57:07,039 --> 00:57:09,159
to consider the types of things you might need to

1051
00:57:09,199 --> 00:57:13,239
do to kill off the administrative state or to make

1052
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,960
a serious dent, because they still want to work in

1053
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:19,000
this town and they're not going to get good jobs

1054
00:57:19,039 --> 00:57:22,159
if they actually solve the problem. And so having two

1055
00:57:22,199 --> 00:57:25,280
people who are billionaires who are outsiders lead the effort.

1056
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,719
They will need, however, people who know where the bodies

1057
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,840
are buried, who understand how these agencies work, who understand

1058
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:35,760
the statutes in play, and can make really good, strong recommendations.

1059
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:39,119
Same goes for a Pete Hegseth, Like, that's a massive

1060
00:57:39,119 --> 00:57:44,599
department to run. You have to procure billions of dollars

1061
00:57:44,599 --> 00:57:47,880
in weapons and products and services, and you have to

1062
00:57:48,159 --> 00:57:51,000
have a worldwide defense strategy, and you have to negotiate

1063
00:57:51,039 --> 00:57:54,840
with allies and push through authorization and appropriations bills. And

1064
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:58,159
he doesn't have a lot of that kind of experience,

1065
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:02,440
and he'll need people who do in order to be effective.

1066
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:04,599
And so same thing with the DOGE. They have no

1067
00:58:04,679 --> 00:58:08,000
experience in that way. They have really good experience where

1068
00:58:08,039 --> 00:58:10,679
it matters and I think Elon understands that he wants

1069
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:14,400
to put men on Mars, and he wants to do

1070
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,320
really big things, and he needs a functioning country and

1071
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:21,199
a functioning regulatory state in order to do what he's

1072
00:58:21,239 --> 00:58:23,800
streaming of doing. And so he has the right kind

1073
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:27,119
of incentive. It's not like personal financial so much as

1074
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:32,039
he just understands the country needs to work for mankind

1075
00:58:33,159 --> 00:58:34,960
to throw for sure.

1076
00:58:35,599 --> 00:58:40,239
Speaker 1: And obviously you're right, you know, sometimes you need people

1077
00:58:40,239 --> 00:58:42,199
with fresh eyes. I mean, it's kind of a cliche,

1078
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,599
but even in the Defense department, having someone who's not

1079
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:49,199
in the swamp all the time and sees it from

1080
00:58:49,239 --> 00:58:52,639
a different perspective is important. And Elon, obviously, I think,

1081
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:54,559
is the right guy for that. I don't know how

1082
00:58:54,559 --> 00:58:56,800
the process would work. I guess they would have reports

1083
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:01,199
that come out and then the executive branch or actually

1084
00:59:01,239 --> 00:59:05,800
Congress would probably have to act. Is that it was

1085
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:06,199
there anything?

1086
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:08,639
Speaker 2: Well, we talk, no, and we need to move on.

1087
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,199
I need to I need to get back over to

1088
00:59:11,239 --> 00:59:15,760
Fox for my next hit. So I'm going to talk culture. Yeah,

1089
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:17,320
did you watch anything good?

1090
00:59:18,079 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 1: I watched one of the worst movies I've ever seen

1091
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:23,000
in my life. It's called Infinite with Mark Wahlberg. It's

1092
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,039
like a science fiction movie directed by the guy who

1093
00:59:25,039 --> 00:59:29,039
did It's a great Denzel Washington movie with Ethan Hawke.

1094
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:32,239
Speaker 2: Oh, I love that one Training Day.

1095
00:59:32,159 --> 00:59:36,559
Speaker 1: Training Day, same Torend. This movie was so bad in

1096
00:59:36,639 --> 00:59:39,000
so many different ways. It was. It was kind of

1097
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:43,480
a copy of The Matrix. But Mark Wahlberg I like,

1098
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:45,920
But he needs a good director because if he's just

1099
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,599
out there with bad lions, they come off even worse

1100
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:52,039
in his the way he is than they are. So anyway,

1101
00:59:52,079 --> 00:59:53,920
I hated this movie in every way. It was so

1102
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:56,519
bad I couldn't finish it, which is very very rare

1103
00:59:56,559 --> 01:00:00,400
for me. I usually get through there. And the only

1104
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:03,119
other thing I wanted to mention was Grover Cleveland was

1105
01:00:03,159 --> 01:00:07,159
the only other president who nonconsecutively served. And there's a

1106
01:00:07,159 --> 01:00:09,320
book by Troy Seneca, Troy.

1107
01:00:09,119 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 2: Sek, my former colleague. I love Troy. It's a great book.

1108
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, it's called A Man of Iron. Such a

1109
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:20,039
good book, really well done. I did not know much

1110
01:00:20,039 --> 01:00:22,840
about Grover Cleveland, you know, there were some presidents I

1111
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:25,239
just didn't know a ton about. And this is just

1112
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:30,480
a really engaging and compelling read. I recommend its super readable.

1113
01:00:30,519 --> 01:00:32,920
It's great, Yeah, great, Yeah, how about you.

1114
01:00:34,519 --> 01:00:38,039
Speaker 2: I watched the Martha Stewart documentary.

1115
01:00:37,599 --> 01:00:39,639
Speaker 1: While I was growing have that on my list.

1116
01:00:39,519 --> 01:00:43,719
Speaker 2: And I would recommend watching it. I don't even know

1117
01:00:43,719 --> 01:00:47,800
what to think about it. I think our girl is

1118
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:52,239
a bit crazy and not very self aware about it,

1119
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:58,639
and particularly as it relates to relationships with men. I

1120
01:00:58,679 --> 01:01:01,760
think she seems very difficult to live with, but unaware

1121
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:03,159
of how difficult she is.

1122
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:06,159
Speaker 1: There's that clip where she's she's talking about how her

1123
01:01:06,239 --> 01:01:07,920
husband cheated on her, and they're like, well, didn't you

1124
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:10,320
have an affair like early on? And she's, you know

1125
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:13,000
what I'm saying, like she didn't. She judged her husband

1126
01:01:13,039 --> 01:01:15,519
about her. She is allowed to do whatever, you know,

1127
01:01:15,639 --> 01:01:16,639
she has licensed.

1128
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 2: Exactly so like one of the early stories. And it

1129
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:22,800
was such an interesting directorial approach to include this story

1130
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:26,519
because it's not major. Is that on her honeymoon and

1131
01:01:26,519 --> 01:01:28,440
I think she had like a five month honeymoon when

1132
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:31,639
she was probably nineteen when she got married, and it

1133
01:01:31,679 --> 01:01:33,599
was in Europe and it really opened her eyes to

1134
01:01:33,639 --> 01:01:37,480
all this beauty and art. But she was in Florence,

1135
01:01:38,119 --> 01:01:42,039
she was in the cathedral on Easter. She married a

1136
01:01:42,119 --> 01:01:45,719
Jewish guy and so he wasn't with her. And it

1137
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:49,599
was the Easter vigil, I think, and just a crowd

1138
01:01:49,639 --> 01:01:53,599
of tourists and she saw an attractive guy and she

1139
01:01:53,679 --> 01:01:57,880
made out with him on her honeymoon. And the interviewer

1140
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:01,639
is like, was this infidelity? Weren't just naughty? And she said, nia,

1141
01:02:01,719 --> 01:02:05,760
there is just like a moment of passion that it's

1142
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,639
not infidelity and it's not naughty and everyone should have

1143
01:02:08,679 --> 01:02:15,519
such a moment. And I'm like, oh, she's crazy.

1144
01:02:14,519 --> 01:02:17,719
Speaker 1: I at least saw the trailer and she's just like

1145
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:21,079
demeaning housewives and stuff I don't like. Stuff I don't

1146
01:02:21,079 --> 01:02:21,519
I didn't like.

1147
01:02:21,599 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 2: No, she doesn't. That's not that's not accurate, that's not

1148
01:02:24,039 --> 01:02:25,800
in fact, I would say the opposite. She was. She

1149
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:30,000
was praising the work of the housewife. But then later, yeah,

1150
01:02:30,039 --> 01:02:33,320
she's complaining that her husband wasn't satisfied at home and

1151
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:34,960
that he was cheating on her with all these people.

1152
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:37,719
And that's when they interfere this but you know, you

1153
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,119
did it first, and she's like, what are you talking about?

1154
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:43,599
And he's like, when you were a stockbroker because that

1155
01:02:43,679 --> 01:02:47,119
was her first career, and she's like, oh, that was

1156
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:49,000
that was nothing. It was like an Irish guy and

1157
01:02:49,039 --> 01:02:51,119
it was very It did not mean anything.

1158
01:02:51,119 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 1: It would not the Irish.

1159
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:59,079
Speaker 2: I'm like, whoa, what, so, yeah, this feeling very wronged

1160
01:02:59,079 --> 01:03:02,360
by other people without taking responsibility for what you've done yourself.

1161
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:07,960
But having said that, it's utterly fascinating. And I you know,

1162
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:11,199
when I went through my Bible reading last year, I

1163
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:13,039
just kept being struck by how all the great men

1164
01:03:13,159 --> 01:03:17,480
throughout Scripture are also these disaster people who've committed horrible sin.

1165
01:03:17,599 --> 01:03:21,480
And you know, you look like an Elon. He's operating

1166
01:03:21,559 --> 01:03:25,599
on a completely different level and does not have the

1167
01:03:25,679 --> 01:03:28,519
values I would seek in a husband, the virtues I

1168
01:03:28,559 --> 01:03:33,400
would seek in a husband. And likewise, Martha, it built

1169
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:37,159
an amazing empire, and I think a lot of what

1170
01:03:37,239 --> 01:03:39,639
she did is stuff that were more familiar seeing men

1171
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:44,360
do and the attitude that men have there. But most

1172
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:47,320
interesting to me is that the super villain of the

1173
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:51,400
entire documentary. Have you heard about this? No, the super

1174
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:56,800
villain is James Comy, and I mean those roy him

1175
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:01,239
and they destroy him for exact exactly the things that

1176
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:05,199
Trump defenders were upset with James Comy. About twenty years later,

1177
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:08,599
fifteen years later, he did not have a case against her,

1178
01:04:09,239 --> 01:04:12,119
so he charged her with lying about the case that

1179
01:04:12,159 --> 01:04:17,119
he couldn't bring. And he really wanted a high profile

1180
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:20,599
kill because they weren't really doing anything to deal with

1181
01:04:20,679 --> 01:04:23,159
insider trading, so they just decided instead to have a

1182
01:04:23,199 --> 01:04:28,599
high profile victim or high profile target. And I don't know,

1183
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it was just interesting to see how they talked about

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his preening and his self righteousness and his trying to

1185
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get people to say things that weren't true. And he

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really comes off. If I didn't already have the lowest

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of esteem for him, he would even lower.

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Speaker 1: I've always inside of trading always seemed like a weird,

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elastic kind of charge that allowed prosecutors to use their

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power in a way. And I remember, I don't remember

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all the specifics, but I do remember like I thought

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she was railroaded. I will watch that. I'm interested in

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01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:11,039
that and documentaries like that, all right.

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Speaker 2: And then I also finished Only Murders, Yeah this season,

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and I thought it was the last season, but it

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ended with another murder, suggesting that there will be another season.

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Speaker 1: I've come to not to dislike that show. I find

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the writing is so all if I have a mystery

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and a murder mystery. I want clues. I want it

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to be structured so I can try to guess who

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did it. If you're constantly bringing in new characters and

1202
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all kinds of new things and doing flashbacks, it's not

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allowing me to participate in the experience.

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Speaker 2: I'm just you know, you had to have guessed this

1205
01:05:44,039 --> 01:05:46,000
one though, right, I don't.

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Speaker 1: Even remember who did it now, and I watched this like.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm not going to say it.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I remember, Yeah, I don't know. It's just

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like Martin Short, who I like, and Steve Martin, who

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I like, being cutesy, and you're you know, and uh, anyway,

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I don't want to be I'm trying to be less negative.

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This is my new my This is going to be

1213
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my New Year's resolution. Be more positive. Don't always be

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an e or.

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Speaker 2: You're going to fail.

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Speaker 1: Just see now you're being the eor. And then I

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have a book coming out, Rise of Blue and on

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01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:25,760
the Democratic What is it How the Democrats became a

1219
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party of conspiracy theorists? I She'll be talking, Yeah, do.

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Speaker 2: You like that they're devolving into conspiracy theories? Right now

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as your book is coming out. I mean they are,

1222
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and it's very convenient for you.

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Speaker 1: Yes, but if they had been, if the election had

1224
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been closer, it would have been bad for America, but

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excellent for my book, because I think that it's the

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it's the gap and the and the solid win that

1227
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that makes it almost impossible for them. But they're working

1228
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on it. I I've seen people say that the election

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is stolen and stuff like that. I think we'll be

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talking about it for a few minutes next episode. Other

1231
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than that, I have nothing else. How about you, Molly,

1232
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You're good. I'm good, all right. Well, I hope everyone

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else is good as well. And until next week. He

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lovers of freedom and anxious for the fray