1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:01,800 Speaker 1: Hello and good morning everybody. 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 2: Good morning. This is Ali Walker. 3 00:00:04,599 --> 00:00:06,519 Speaker 1: Hi Ali Walker. How are you doing today? 4 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 2: I'm doing okay. 5 00:00:08,199 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: How are you fantastic? Did you get your writing in 6 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:11,000 yet for today? 7 00:00:11,839 --> 00:00:14,679 Speaker 2: Did I give her? Oh? Yes, I woke up at 8 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:17,359 four and got it going. I'm all ready to go 9 00:00:17,399 --> 00:00:18,039 back to death. 10 00:00:19,199 --> 00:00:20,879 Speaker 1: Oh you're a morning writer as well. I've got to 11 00:00:20,879 --> 00:00:22,559 be up you know. I've got to be behind that 12 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:26,160 pin by seven am. That's my discipline. Oh yeah, seven am. 13 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:29,559 Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, I have to wear myself out. 14 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:32,320 I have to go run or go exercise, get all 15 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:35,359 my errands done. Then I usually hit writing around noon 16 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:37,280 and do it till about four or five. 17 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:39,439 Speaker 1: So when you go out there like that so early 18 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:40,920 in the morning to get the running in and things, 19 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:42,960 is that a form of transitioning in the way that 20 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:47,079 we all go through mindsets, especially creative people. Yeah. 21 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:49,719 Speaker 3: I find that if I kind of wear my body 22 00:00:49,719 --> 00:00:52,840 out a little bit more so I'm not Otherwise I 23 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:54,799 get kind of hyper and I want to move around 24 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:56,399 and I can't sit so and I have. 25 00:00:57,840 --> 00:00:59,359 Speaker 2: So. Yes, that is a transition. 26 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: It's so funny you say that, because people when they 27 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:03,280 when they zoom wee, they go why don't you turn 28 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:05,760 on your camera because I am moving all over the place. 29 00:01:05,799 --> 00:01:07,680 I don't want to distract anything that you were saying. 30 00:01:07,719 --> 00:01:09,959 You don't need to see me moving around on that camera. 31 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 2: No, I know me too, I'm like walking around as 32 00:01:13,359 --> 00:01:14,079 we seek. Yes. 33 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:16,879 Speaker 1: Now, one of the things that I love to talk 34 00:01:16,879 --> 00:01:19,879 about is the idea of a story. You have got 35 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,079 the light Runner, When did it arrive inside of you? 36 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:26,040 Readers don't understand that it will hit you when you 37 00:01:26,159 --> 00:01:27,000 least expect it. 38 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:32,439 Speaker 3: Oh man, you're really you're really keyed in. Yeah, I'll 39 00:01:32,439 --> 00:01:34,719 tell you what was weird. I took my boys to 40 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:40,000 this is like in twenty fourteen. I took my boys 41 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,480 to Guitar Center because they're both the two older ones 42 00:01:42,519 --> 00:01:44,000 are both guitar players. 43 00:01:44,359 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 2: And sitting in the parking. 44 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:50,519 Speaker 3: Lot, waiting and sitting, and I had just written and 45 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,920 put out my first film, and I say first because 46 00:01:53,959 --> 00:01:58,519 I want to do a second narrative. And I started 47 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:02,120 thinking about sci fi because I love you know, I 48 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:03,200 love for Lescott's stuff. 49 00:02:03,239 --> 00:02:04,879 Speaker 2: I loved Later Runner, I love all that stuff. 50 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,159 Speaker 3: So I was just sitting there thinking about it, and 51 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,199 it just kind of popped in my head and I 52 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:10,639 was like. 53 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 2: Oh that's cool. 54 00:02:11,759 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I just. 55 00:02:13,159 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 3: Kept thinking about it and I kept so in twenty fifteen, 56 00:02:16,319 --> 00:02:19,599 I wrote I wrote it as a pilot, and then 57 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:21,639 the next year I wrote the second and third one, 58 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,280 and then I pitched them in twenty seventeen in Europe 59 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:27,680 and here to the platforms, all the platforms. 60 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:29,599 Speaker 2: I sent it to and nobody picked it up. 61 00:02:29,719 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 3: And then I don't know, it was just kind of 62 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:33,439 in me, so I kept going, I just got to 63 00:02:33,479 --> 00:02:33,879 write it. 64 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:35,719 Speaker 2: I just got to write it. I have to just 65 00:02:35,759 --> 00:02:37,639 get it out, and that's what I did. 66 00:02:37,879 --> 00:02:41,199 Speaker 1: Wow, see the process of being creative and the time 67 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:43,400 that's required for it to come out. Because I'll talk 68 00:02:43,439 --> 00:02:45,960 with songwriters they say, yeah, I've had this guitar riff 69 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,280 for about fifteen years and I finally played around an 70 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:49,960 album and saying, are you kidding me? 71 00:02:50,439 --> 00:02:52,759 Speaker 2: Yeah? It was weird. It was weird. 72 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: Oh yeah. 73 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 2: I kept thinking, somebody's going to pick this up. 74 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:57,479 Speaker 3: It's great, and everybody could kind of get it, but 75 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,639 not really. And then I was just like, I'm gonna 76 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:01,080 just do it. 77 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:02,759 Speaker 2: I'll show you. You know. It was like I could 78 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,400 do it. I got it. So it was really it's 79 00:03:05,439 --> 00:03:06,520 a really weird way. 80 00:03:06,599 --> 00:03:08,199 Speaker 3: I mean, I did that with a red little film 81 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,280 called far More, which is on Apple at all these 82 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,199 platforms now, with Adrian Grenia and selble Blair, and it was. 83 00:03:14,199 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 2: The same thing. 84 00:03:15,199 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 3: I told myself a story like in the middle of 85 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:18,879 the night, and I woke up and wrote it. 86 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: Wow. Creating the characters for your stories, did they play 87 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:24,719 out in the way of you saw a picture of 88 00:03:24,719 --> 00:03:26,319 somebody and say, Okay, I'm gonna write a story about 89 00:03:26,319 --> 00:03:28,319 this one, or how do they come to life inside 90 00:03:28,319 --> 00:03:29,039 your imagination? 91 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 3: I think they're an amalgamation of various people and myself 92 00:03:34,199 --> 00:03:36,439 and the qualities of those people that I kind of 93 00:03:37,039 --> 00:03:40,080 like wanted to explore or saw in the characters. And 94 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:41,680 I just was like, oh, it's like that, you know, 95 00:03:42,639 --> 00:03:44,520 it's kind of like acting. And you know, you used 96 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,319 to always ask me, like, how did June install? She 97 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:49,840 was on Sons of Anarchy? She was this terrible person, right, 98 00:03:49,879 --> 00:03:53,319 She's a psychopath that I played, and I just remember thinking, well. 99 00:03:53,199 --> 00:03:55,759 Speaker 2: I've got a few that I just kind of put 100 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:56,319 it together. 101 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: I mean, when you guys one like Captain Oliver Haskell here, 102 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:03,599 I mean, I mean it's one of those things where 103 00:04:03,639 --> 00:04:05,560 you go, why do I feel like I know this. 104 00:04:05,479 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 3: Guy because you do, because you probably do, because you 105 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:14,319 probably do. It's sort of these enigmatic people that you 106 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:15,400 can't quite put. 107 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,519 Speaker 2: Your finger on, and everybody thinks they're wonderful and they're not. 108 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. I was doing some research on who are the 109 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,319 people that we see in our dreams? And what came 110 00:04:24,399 --> 00:04:26,720 up in the research was the fact that it's everybody 111 00:04:26,759 --> 00:04:29,000 you walk beside that comes back to your imagination. 112 00:04:30,439 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so, I think so. 113 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 3: I mean that's why I say it's an amalgamation of 114 00:04:33,879 --> 00:04:35,480 all these people that are in my life, you know, 115 00:04:35,519 --> 00:04:37,120 these little bits and pieces. 116 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 2: That I string together of various characters. 117 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 3: That I've known, and they're there to represent something in 118 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:44,600 the story, aren't they. I mean, whether it's you know, 119 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:47,399 like in Haskell's case, you know, well, I'm not going 120 00:04:47,439 --> 00:04:48,639 to give that way, but you know what I mean, 121 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,680 if people are there to represent joy or you know, 122 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:55,399 like for me, doctor Ella Kramer represented innocence in finding it, 123 00:04:55,519 --> 00:04:57,399 you know, and her ultimate journey was to find out 124 00:04:57,399 --> 00:04:57,959 who she was. 125 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 2: So the representations of you know, of I don't know. 126 00:05:03,399 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 3: Archetypes or I don't know what if you'd call it, 127 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:09,920 of people who need to find this out or to be. 128 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 2: This so that the story can be held forward. Does 129 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:13,160 that makes sense? 130 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, it does, it does because when it comes to emotions, 131 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,040 I mean, you being the writer, you being the original 132 00:05:18,079 --> 00:05:22,040 seed planter. You've got a book here that physically haunts 133 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,079 the readers. You had to feel it before I feel it. 134 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 2: Yes, that's right, that is exactly right. 135 00:05:28,959 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting because it always goes back to 136 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:34,079 acting because I took from a very good teacher named 137 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:38,240 Harry mastro George in Los Angeles, and he would always say, 138 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:39,639 you know, what. 139 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:40,639 Speaker 2: Was it Beethoven said? 140 00:05:40,639 --> 00:05:43,319 Speaker 3: They asked Beethoven something about, you know, how he wrote 141 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,079 his symphonies the fields or whatever. 142 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:49,079 Speaker 2: I don't remember the symphony. 143 00:05:49,079 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 3: I'm so sorry, But he said, I don't write what 144 00:05:51,639 --> 00:05:55,079 I see. I expressed what it felt like for me 145 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:56,879 to see it. So you have to feel it and 146 00:05:56,879 --> 00:05:59,759 then you convey that. So yeah, I think that's writing too. 147 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:01,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, but what do you do with those people that say, 148 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:05,279 quit being a drama queen? My god? Because so many 149 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,600 people just go, you're too emotional, you're too attached. Stop it. 150 00:06:09,639 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 2: Uh yeah, you know, I'm just you're you're you know. 151 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:17,399 It's like Jessica Rabbit. I'm just drawn that way. 152 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,199 Speaker 1: Please do not move. There's more with Ali Walker coming 153 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:26,839 up next. Hey, thanks for coming back to my conversation 154 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:31,079 with actor and author Ali Walker. Is there a sighte 155 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:32,639 of you that you would like to turn the light 156 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:34,560 Runner into a binge watch? 157 00:06:36,319 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. 158 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 3: I mean that's what it was intended to be in 159 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:40,519 the beginning, you know. And I have the second one. 160 00:06:40,519 --> 00:06:42,839 I'm writing the second one. There's three in the series, 161 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,279 and I'm kind of figuring out, you know, I haven't 162 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:47,199 really got it all, but I'm kind of figuring out 163 00:06:47,199 --> 00:06:50,759 where that arcs to. But yeah, definitely, I mean, you know, 164 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:54,720 my well, I have to say my first love is literature. 165 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 2: You know. 166 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,519 Speaker 3: I grew up reading, like being a bookworm and reading 167 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:01,279 and reading everything, you know, as a child, and I 168 00:07:01,319 --> 00:07:04,920 love to read, and I think I write more. Well, 169 00:07:04,959 --> 00:07:06,800 I'm kind of a combo writer because these, as you 170 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,480 can see, my chapters are fairly short and very visual 171 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:10,600 like a film would be. 172 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,279 Speaker 2: But I also like scenes in a script. 173 00:07:13,279 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 3: But I also love to use my words to go 174 00:07:18,079 --> 00:07:20,600 on and describe and describe and describe, so. 175 00:07:20,519 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 2: Everybody gets down to the iddy bitty bitty bitty biddy right, 176 00:07:23,879 --> 00:07:26,680 And I like that. And the only place that you 177 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:28,680 can really do that is in books. 178 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: I love the fact that you talked about how short 179 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:33,560 your chapters are, and the reason why is because on 180 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:35,759 this side of the page. I like that because once 181 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,279 I finish a chapter, I feel like I've accomplished something 182 00:07:38,439 --> 00:07:40,600 and that really does get inside my head. 183 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 4: You did it, That's how I felt writing it. I 184 00:07:47,279 --> 00:07:52,800 was like five pages, yes, take a victory lap. 185 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,279 Speaker 1: Are you like me? Then when it's time for that chapter, 186 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,040 it's a voice you hear in your head and heart 187 00:07:57,079 --> 00:07:58,720 that says you're done, You're done, put it away. 188 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah. I'm like, okay, 189 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:03,240 you have You know, That's why books are hard for 190 00:08:03,279 --> 00:08:03,600 me at. 191 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 2: Night, because I'll be like, I holy have thirty pages. 192 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:07,720 It's one in the morning. But I can do. 193 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:11,199 Speaker 3: Like reading and reading. 194 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:12,199 Speaker 2: Yeah. 195 00:08:12,319 --> 00:08:15,279 Speaker 3: No, I feel like, okay, stop here, You've done it, 196 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:17,600 your missionished complete tonight. 197 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,959 Speaker 1: What do you pull from from other creative people around you? 198 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,439 Do do you learn new lessons of the trade, Because 199 00:08:24,519 --> 00:08:27,839 I mean, that's one thing about for writers. We are sponges. 200 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,399 We take in so much and then we go play 201 00:08:30,399 --> 00:08:30,720 with it. 202 00:08:31,759 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think you know, the editors that I had 203 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:35,320 really helped me. 204 00:08:35,519 --> 00:08:38,039 Speaker 3: I mean, they really helped me see things differently and 205 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:39,840 take a different you know, sort of have a new 206 00:08:39,919 --> 00:08:43,320 perspective on how to tell the story and what was 207 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:44,519 important and what wasn't. 208 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:45,799 Speaker 2: I mean, each and every one of them. 209 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,039 Speaker 3: You know, you learn from a lot of people, and 210 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:51,360 I learned from you know when I would would read 211 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,080 a passage to my girlfriend or something and they'd be like, 212 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:54,720 I don't get this. 213 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:56,639 Speaker 2: What does this mean? And I realized, oh. 214 00:08:56,519 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 3: Okay, they don't get that. You know, I need to 215 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:02,080 make that clear. I just think it's about perspective. I 216 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,840 think other people who have been doing this, you know, 217 00:09:05,919 --> 00:09:07,720 like yourself or somebody who's been doing it a lot 218 00:09:07,759 --> 00:09:10,639 longer than I have, really brings you know, a wealth 219 00:09:10,639 --> 00:09:13,440 of information to say, hey, this is my way of 220 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,879 doing this. Or like I was at a conference and 221 00:09:16,919 --> 00:09:18,679 the two of the writers there on the panel we're 222 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:22,320 talking about how they don't do stream of consciousness anymore. 223 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 2: They do outlines so they you know exactly where it's going. 224 00:09:25,399 --> 00:09:27,240 And I was kind of fascinated. I was like, do 225 00:09:27,279 --> 00:09:28,000 you outline? 226 00:09:28,759 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 1: No, I'm a stream thinker. In fact, I even have 227 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,039 a podcast based on trying to train people how to 228 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:34,360 become better stream thinkers. 229 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 3: Well, I'm a stream thinker. I mean, it never occurred 230 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:38,600 to me to write. You know, I didn't know where 231 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:40,360 it was going. I just knew that I would know 232 00:09:40,399 --> 00:09:41,639 as I got there, and I did. 233 00:09:41,879 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know it was weird. 234 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,039 Speaker 1: Wow, Well I guess I am because I mean being 235 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:47,440 a radio guy, I mean I have to have me 236 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,120 when I used to talk over fourteen second intros of songs, 237 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,159 I couldn't write the entire thing. I had to do 238 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:52,840 an outline. 239 00:09:53,799 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah that's going to be hard, right, 240 00:09:58,639 --> 00:09:59,080 It can be. 241 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: It can be. And you know, if you you know, 242 00:10:01,159 --> 00:10:03,559 when when your program director or consultant is sitting there 243 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:05,279 telling you that you need to write stuff down, do 244 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:07,039 not go in there and just wing it, because I mean, 245 00:10:07,039 --> 00:10:09,120 you're gonna have a better show with you if you 246 00:10:09,159 --> 00:10:11,440 practice things and bring out those lines. And that's when 247 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:15,360 I realized, Wait a second, in radio, I'm just another actor. 248 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 2: Yep, yep, Wow, that's cool. That's cool. 249 00:10:20,799 --> 00:10:23,759 Speaker 1: Now being a writer this and this, this was one 250 00:10:23,759 --> 00:10:25,480 I had to swallow as well. Is that was I 251 00:10:25,519 --> 00:10:26,679 really a radio person? 252 00:10:26,799 --> 00:10:26,879 Speaker 3: No? 253 00:10:27,039 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 1: I believe that the radio the writer in me found radio, 254 00:10:30,639 --> 00:10:33,000 so it had a voice. But I'm really a writer, 255 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:34,000 are you the same way? 256 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 2: Yes? 257 00:10:35,279 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 3: I have wanted to write since I was a child. 258 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,679 I wrote a short series as a child, and I 259 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,080 went to college and thought I would go into creative 260 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:43,840 writing and I did not like. 261 00:10:44,799 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 2: I did not like it. In college, I was. 262 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:49,919 Speaker 3: I really didn't and I knew I could do science, 263 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,320 so I did that instead, and I did some acting afterwards, 264 00:10:53,519 --> 00:10:56,679 and I loved that. But I you know, wrote a 265 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:58,919 lot on the set too, when people would let me 266 00:10:59,039 --> 00:11:00,840 or if people needed fixing things. 267 00:11:00,919 --> 00:11:04,159 Speaker 2: You know, I wrote a lot. I learned a lot 268 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:05,080 on set. 269 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: Don't you love that energy being on set? Because my 270 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,519 past two books were written inside a radio station production room, 271 00:11:10,519 --> 00:11:12,320 because I just love the creative energy. 272 00:11:12,919 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is so good for you, isn't it. I 273 00:11:15,279 --> 00:11:18,240 love being on set. I really did. I actually really 274 00:11:18,279 --> 00:11:21,159 missing on set. I talked to my agent recently because 275 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,799 I retired like five years ago and just focused on 276 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,120 this and focused on different things in my family and 277 00:11:26,159 --> 00:11:29,480 you know, my life, and I was just I called 278 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,360 and I was like, you know, maybe we should I 279 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:35,519 could get a small job. I kind of miss it, 280 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:37,840 so I may go try to get a job because 281 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,799 it's just fun, because I love being I miss the actors, 282 00:11:40,799 --> 00:11:42,919 I missed the director, I missed the grips, I missed 283 00:11:42,919 --> 00:11:46,159 the lighting guy. Everybody's so cool and they all are 284 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:49,960 pulling together. It's just such a collaborative, you know, effort. 285 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:51,399 And I really do miss that. 286 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:52,639 Speaker 2: I actually really do. 287 00:11:52,799 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: Well, you got to do what I did. I went 288 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:55,519 and got a job at a grocery store. And the 289 00:11:55,519 --> 00:11:57,440 reason why, I just wanted to be with real people. 290 00:11:57,519 --> 00:12:00,480 And my god, real people have stories if you just 291 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:02,840 listen to them because they want to be heard. 292 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, no, I know. 293 00:12:05,919 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 3: You know it's funny because I did a film called 294 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,440 Singles way back in the day with Cameron Crow. Yeah, 295 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:16,240 and Cameron would evesdrop unreal people. 296 00:12:18,039 --> 00:12:20,399 Speaker 2: And I was like, wow, that's kind of cool. 297 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 3: He was just listen to people's conversations, and that's kind 298 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:26,759 of you know, I'm a real people person that people 299 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:30,559 watch or I used to like just sit like little restaurants. 300 00:12:30,039 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 2: And bits and pieces of this and that. But I 301 00:12:32,279 --> 00:12:33,639 get it. I get what you were doing. 302 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:37,759 Speaker 1: Wow. So how do you make your stories so captivating? 303 00:12:37,799 --> 00:12:39,320 I mean, because I mean you take us into a 304 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,360 very vivid world is it because you see it first 305 00:12:42,639 --> 00:12:44,240 and then and then say, okay, now I've got to 306 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:45,080 use my words. 307 00:12:47,159 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 2: I don't really know, you know, it's really weird. 308 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 3: I don't think of it in terms of I want 309 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,960 this to be like this or something. I just go 310 00:12:55,799 --> 00:12:57,720 it's you know, it's kind of weird. I kind of 311 00:12:57,799 --> 00:13:00,320 channel it to myself. It's like I'm telling my self 312 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:01,759 a story and I'm like. 313 00:13:01,759 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and I start writing, you know, but I 314 00:13:07,159 --> 00:13:07,559 just like. 315 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 3: To be I like to be inspired, Like I just like, 316 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:12,919 what could I you know, what. 317 00:13:12,919 --> 00:13:14,799 Speaker 2: Is she doing? What is she doing? You know? 318 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 3: And I would just constantly be like cliffhangers are big 319 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:18,879 for me. 320 00:13:18,919 --> 00:13:21,919 Speaker 2: I'm almost like, what is this? Where's she gonna go? Yeah, 321 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:23,799 because I think life is like that. You know, you 322 00:13:23,919 --> 00:13:24,759 kind of don't know. 323 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 3: And I mean even when you're bored or when you're 324 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:31,320 doing simple tasks, so you kind of you know, every 325 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,159 single second is a chance to turn everything around, and 326 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:37,519 it changes so quickly, and that's what That's what why 327 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:42,120 life kind of always inspires but also terrifies me, because 328 00:13:42,159 --> 00:13:45,679 every single second is a chance to change into something 329 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:46,679 completely different. 330 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:48,759 Speaker 2: So I kind of write that way. 331 00:13:48,799 --> 00:13:52,559 Speaker 1: I think speaking of terrifying things over the weekend, all 332 00:13:52,639 --> 00:13:55,919 over the news, the the TikTok and tick and what 333 00:13:56,039 --> 00:13:58,799 is a book talk? Also, they were busted for a 334 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:02,399 plagiarized book that was read by AI. How are you 335 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,039 protecting yourself because it's gonna happen. 336 00:14:06,279 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, I don't really know how 337 00:14:07,879 --> 00:14:11,240 we can protect ourselves. I mean, they did something, screwed 338 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:13,679 the copyright laws. They really need to fix the copyright 339 00:14:13,759 --> 00:14:17,440 laws in this country because I mean, just you know, 340 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:19,679 I've seen plagiarism all over the place. 341 00:14:19,759 --> 00:14:20,519 Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? 342 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:25,279 Speaker 3: People just I mean movies, books, People just take it 343 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:31,720 and it's you know, I'm in Hollywood, okay, and it's 344 00:14:32,879 --> 00:14:33,559 now that AI. 345 00:14:33,679 --> 00:14:36,039 Speaker 2: It's just going to be. I don't know that there 346 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:37,360 will be much people can do. 347 00:14:37,559 --> 00:14:40,919 Speaker 3: You know, in order to mount cases against big entities, 348 00:14:41,759 --> 00:14:44,120 you need a lot of money, you know, and you 349 00:14:44,159 --> 00:14:46,919 need a lot of time. And I just I don't 350 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,600 really know how you fight that unless we as a society. 351 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:52,559 Speaker 2: Demand better. 352 00:14:52,919 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, you said something a little bit earlier that 353 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:57,639 I've got to bring up because I keep telling myself, 354 00:14:57,679 --> 00:14:59,320 don't do it, don't do it, And that is is 355 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,080 that you share your story with your with your girlfriend, 356 00:15:02,159 --> 00:15:04,159 and I'm going wait a second, that breaks one of 357 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,879 the rules of Julia Cameron and the artist way, getting 358 00:15:06,879 --> 00:15:09,559 somebody so close to you to read your material. And 359 00:15:09,639 --> 00:15:12,000 so I know, how how did you prepare your heart? 360 00:15:13,039 --> 00:15:13,159 Speaker 2: No? 361 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 3: I didn't. 362 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:15,279 Speaker 2: I was waited till the book was finished. 363 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: Well, good for you. 364 00:15:17,279 --> 00:15:19,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, finished and edited, and then I read what do 365 00:15:19,679 --> 00:15:23,039 you think. They're like, oh, wow, that sounds cool. 366 00:15:23,799 --> 00:15:25,759 Speaker 1: Only because I had a friend tell me one time. 367 00:15:25,799 --> 00:15:28,679 He says this, this character reminds me of me, and 368 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,080 I said, yeah, yeah, you were like the inspiration for it. 369 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,360 He says, I hate your guts because and that was 370 00:15:34,399 --> 00:15:35,960 the end of the friendship. It really was. 371 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:41,159 Speaker 3: No, I uh, well, I did tell one friend that 372 00:15:41,399 --> 00:15:45,120 one of the characters with her, but she was really 373 00:15:45,159 --> 00:15:45,759 thrilled about it. 374 00:15:45,799 --> 00:15:47,759 Speaker 2: She said, oh, that's so sweet, thank you. And she's 375 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,000 reading the book and loves it. So I'm really happy 376 00:15:50,039 --> 00:15:51,200 about that. Wow. 377 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:55,559 Speaker 1: So are you on audible? And if the book is there, 378 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:56,320 who's reading it? 379 00:15:57,279 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 3: No, I'm not on Audible yet. I have to do 380 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:01,879 that next. Just remember I'm just doing this myself. So 381 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:05,919 I am going to do that within the next month. 382 00:16:06,039 --> 00:16:07,720 I'm going to go read for audible and I'm going 383 00:16:07,759 --> 00:16:11,320 to do it so it should be up fairly shortly. 384 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:13,879 Speaker 1: And the only thing that's bad about reading the book 385 00:16:13,919 --> 00:16:16,080 like that is that I did this for one read 386 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:17,600 and that was I got on page six and I 387 00:16:17,639 --> 00:16:19,480 realized I still had two hundred and ten to go, 388 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:23,360 and it was like, no. 389 00:16:23,559 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 2: I know, I know, it's kind of daunting, right, it's 390 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:27,440 really daunting. I know. 391 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: Where can people go to find out more about you, Ali, 392 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,279 so they can fall in love with all that you're doing. 393 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:36,279 Speaker 2: Oh you're so sweet. Ali. 394 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,639 Speaker 3: Walkerofficial dot com is my website. You can go there 395 00:16:39,679 --> 00:16:42,559 and find out about the movies I did a documentary 396 00:16:42,679 --> 00:16:45,879 and narrative, and my book and updates I'm on the 397 00:16:45,919 --> 00:16:49,159 second book or appearances I'll be making can be found 398 00:16:49,159 --> 00:16:49,679 there as well. 399 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:51,679 Speaker 1: I love it. Please come back to the show anytime 400 00:16:51,679 --> 00:16:53,080 in the future. The door is always going to be 401 00:16:53,159 --> 00:16:53,720 open for you. 402 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:55,879 Speaker 2: Oh you're so sweet. Thank you so much. I had 403 00:16:55,879 --> 00:16:57,000 a great time. Thank you. 404 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: Will you be brilliant today? 405 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 2: Okay, I will, all right, Thanks so much.