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<v Speaker 1>Billy Cunningham, the great American, and welcome this Monday afternoon

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<v Speaker 1>of the Tri State Bengals. Bengals ated on Sunday against Pittsburgh.

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<v Speaker 1>And according to the experts on Fox Sports, if the

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<v Speaker 1>Bengals win the next six games, they have a seventy

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<v Speaker 1>one percent chance of being in the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 2>But they can't lose any more.

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<v Speaker 1>But until then, Senator Ran Paul, my favorite senator from

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<v Speaker 1>my homestay of Kentucky, Welcome to the Bill Cunningham Show.

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<v Speaker 1>And Senator I understand you're the ranking member now of

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<v Speaker 1>Homeland Security and coming up in about eight weeks or

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<v Speaker 1>seven weeks, you're going to be the chair of the

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<v Speaker 1>committee with the gabble and real power. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>ask you an international question before we deal with that,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is this. The other day, about a week

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<v Speaker 1>or so ago, I watched President Joe Biden being blessed

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<v Speaker 1>by a Brazilian shaman with incense. And at the conclusion

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<v Speaker 1>of that, he walked into the forest and the Secret

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<v Speaker 1>Service went after him. He also skipped the picture because

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<v Speaker 1>because last time he was in the picture, they put

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<v Speaker 1>him in the back row. And as we sit here,

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<v Speaker 1>assuming the shamans work was effective in the Brazilian rainforest.

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<v Speaker 1>I look in Israel under attack by the Hesblah, by

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<v Speaker 1>the Hoodies indirectly through Iran. I look in Ukraine as

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<v Speaker 1>ballistic missiles are flying into the Ukraine from Russia. I

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<v Speaker 1>look at North Korean troops either inside Ukraine or on

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<v Speaker 1>the border. In other words, I see all hell breaking loose.

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<v Speaker 1>And the best we can do with our commander in

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<v Speaker 1>chief is a blessing by a Brazilian rainforest shaman.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you concerned? Are you concerned about this?

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<v Speaker 3>It would be funny, Bill, if it weren't tragic, If

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<v Speaker 3>this man weren't still in charge of our nuclear arsenal,

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<v Speaker 3>it would be comical to see this man wandering around

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<v Speaker 3>the rainforest, you know, getting blessed by a sham. And no,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm still very very concerned about it. I mean, just

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<v Speaker 3>last week he okayed using long range missiles from Ukraine

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<v Speaker 3>to Russia.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's easy to say, well.

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<v Speaker 3>Gosh, Russia deserves it. Russia invaded them and crane to

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<v Speaker 3>be allowed to do this. And yet he's doing this.

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<v Speaker 3>As the new administration comes in, who's going to try

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<v Speaker 3>to have a negotiated settlement and to try to get peace.

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<v Speaker 3>The other thing is is every action creates another action.

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<v Speaker 3>So while our sympathies are with Ukraine, once they launched

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<v Speaker 3>these missiles deep inside Russia, what did Russia do? They

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<v Speaker 3>launched ICBMs, really one of the first times we've seen

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<v Speaker 3>ICBMs used without nuclear tips. But nevertheless ICBMs were used

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<v Speaker 3>to launch deep inside of Ukraine. And so it's a terrible.

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<v Speaker 4>Thing that he's doing.

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<v Speaker 3>It's this thing that happens when you have weak, impotent

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<v Speaker 3>presidents who just simply want to say, oh, my goodness,

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<v Speaker 3>I want to be perceived more strongly, so I'll start

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<v Speaker 3>launching off all of these things in a scattered way,

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<v Speaker 3>and in the end what you get is a recklessness.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think sometimes with strength with Donald Trump, you

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<v Speaker 3>actually get someone who actually is a little more thoughtful

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<v Speaker 3>before he launches missiles anywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>And watching the so called military experts who say about

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<v Speaker 1>these attack missiles, these specialized missiles that are killing Russians,

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<v Speaker 1>American missiles killing Russians, they tell me that it has

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<v Speaker 1>no strategic significance at all, that there's not enough being

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<v Speaker 1>and it doesn't matter except what if some country was

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<v Speaker 1>attacking America with their missiles and our citizens were dying

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<v Speaker 1>in some horrible war.

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<v Speaker 2>What would we do? But why do it? It has

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<v Speaker 2>no military significance at all.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it ends up having psychological significance but no military significance.

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<v Speaker 3>You lost some missile that maybe the missile costs fifty

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<v Speaker 3>million dollars and one person dies.

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<v Speaker 4>And so nobody it provokes the enemy.

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<v Speaker 3>There's so many real politic things that Trump can do

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<v Speaker 3>to end this war. So a few months ago by

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<v Speaker 3>dedministration sent a bunch of people yelling and also blinking

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<v Speaker 3>over to China, and they yelled and screamed at the

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<v Speaker 3>Chinese and told them what they were angry at. But

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<v Speaker 3>my point, I told Biden and Blink in this privately,

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<v Speaker 3>is you want the Chinese to quit selling parts to

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<v Speaker 4>Why don't you make a trade deal with.

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<v Speaker 3>Them, remove some sanctions, and say, look, if we allow

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<v Speaker 3>some more trade to happen, you quit selling parts to Russia.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the kind of thing that works with China. But

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<v Speaker 3>instead we just go over there, add more sanctions yellow them,

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<v Speaker 3>and really, in the end, the best thing you want

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<v Speaker 3>to do right now is kind of what Nixon did.

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<v Speaker 4>Frankly, and that's to prive.

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<v Speaker 3>China away from being allied too close to Russia.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, you're going to be a great leader of

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<v Speaker 1>the Senate, and thank god you're my favorite Kentucky senator.

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<v Speaker 1>But secondly, how much trouble are we in? I hear

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<v Speaker 1>the experts say, Senator Ran Paul that this is the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning of World War III. We have North Koreans involved,

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<v Speaker 1>Chinese involved, we have Russians involved, we have Iran involved,

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<v Speaker 1>we have Syria involved, we have South yem And involved.

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<v Speaker 2>Is everything you know?

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<v Speaker 1>Is this the precursor to Word War three, in which

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<v Speaker 1>the survivability of our civilization is at risk?

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<v Speaker 3>There's always the danger of that. People who say that

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<v Speaker 3>it's not a danger shouldn't be in charge. And this

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<v Speaker 3>is the current Biden administration. Now will it be worlworthree?

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<v Speaker 4>Of course?

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<v Speaker 3>I think there are alternatives, and I hope not. I

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<v Speaker 3>do believe strongly that Donald Trump has the strength and

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<v Speaker 3>projects the strength that he can negotiate a peaceful settlement.

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<v Speaker 3>The other reason there's a good chance we can get

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<v Speaker 3>peace in Ukraine is it's a standstill. It's a stalemate.

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<v Speaker 3>Even Zelenski, the President of Ukraine now admits it, as

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<v Speaker 3>generals are admitting it, and Russia solidly occupies part of

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<v Speaker 3>the don Bass eastern Ukraine that got CRIMEA, and I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think Ukraine has the ability to dislodge them, but

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<v Speaker 3>neither does Russia have the ability to completely take over Ukraine.

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<v Speaker 3>And some say as many as a million people have

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<v Speaker 3>died or been wounded in the battles. So I think

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<v Speaker 3>the time is right for negotiation. I think Trump wants that,

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<v Speaker 3>and my hope is that we will get some sort

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<v Speaker 3>of negotiated seaspar soon.

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<v Speaker 1>Lastly, before we talk about COVID, which I've watched some

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<v Speaker 1>of your interviews on that.

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<v Speaker 2>They're fabulous.

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<v Speaker 1>But if something would happen tomorrow or the next day

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<v Speaker 1>or the next day, and we need a commander in

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<v Speaker 1>chief to make a quick, correct decision about some international

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<v Speaker 1>conflict that could drag America into war, I can't imagine

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<v Speaker 1>if somebody had said to you, Senator rand Paul, a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of years ago that Russia is launching numerous ICBMs

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<v Speaker 1>in Europe, you would say, what if somebody has to

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<v Speaker 1>make a life and death decision right now in the

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<v Speaker 1>White House, Who's going to make it? Is that doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Jill Biden who's making the decision?

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it is similar actually to you know, during

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<v Speaker 3>World War One when Woodrow Wilson was incapacitated by a

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<v Speaker 3>stroke and Missus Wilson ran the White House for over

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<v Speaker 3>a year, there have been people calling Jill Biden missus

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<v Speaker 3>Wilson derisively. So but because she they think she's running it.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't have inside information to know who makes the decisions.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't believe Biden is fully competent to make these

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<v Speaker 4>It worries me.

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<v Speaker 3>But it also worries me because not just sort of

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<v Speaker 3>as to respond to. It's them actually eagerly seeking out mistakes,

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<v Speaker 3>like eagerly seeking out for three years they said to

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<v Speaker 3>the Ukraine, you can't.

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<v Speaker 4>Use these missiles inside.

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<v Speaker 3>Russia, and they eagerly seek it out. After the people

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<v Speaker 3>have said, see, Joe, we're ready for you to go

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<v Speaker 3>into retirement, he actively seeks out a way to intervene

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<v Speaker 3>in the war that could escalate it. So yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>very worried for the next month or so month and

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<v Speaker 3>a half.

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<v Speaker 4>Until we get a new president. But I am encouraged that.

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<v Speaker 3>I think Donald Trump is appointing people who will negotiate

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<v Speaker 3>a peace and I'm going to keep pushing in that

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<v Speaker 3>direction as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Senator Ram Paul Covid is back a couple good friends

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<v Speaker 1>of mine, the married couple for like forty years. They're

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<v Speaker 1>both in bed as I speak with COVID. I have

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<v Speaker 1>several of my friends who have contracted COVID. Once again,

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<v Speaker 1>it's back. I have not gotten the booster. I'm done

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<v Speaker 1>with it, not going to do it anymore. My doctor

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<v Speaker 1>tells me do I'm not going to order you to

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<v Speaker 1>do it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's up to you.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, Doc, have you taken the additional boosters? And

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<v Speaker 1>he told me no, I haven't. I said, that's my answer.

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<v Speaker 1>I've had it. I don't believe what I'm being told.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's monetary and political reasons to have the lockdowns.

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<v Speaker 1>You're a medical doctor, You're going to be the head

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<v Speaker 1>of the Homeland security. What is the status of COVID.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you advise people to get the additional boosters? And

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<v Speaker 1>do you trust government to give us correct information?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't trust the government, And because I don't trust

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<v Speaker 3>the government, they haven't been forthcoming with the data. It's

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<v Speaker 3>hard to give you an exact answer. I will tell

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<v Speaker 3>you that it depends on your age, depends on your

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<v Speaker 3>risk factors, and your health, and that each individual you

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<v Speaker 3>know may be slightly different. I can tell you that

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<v Speaker 3>if your child is six month old, probably up to

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<v Speaker 3>thirty or even four, and they're healthy, and then there's

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<v Speaker 3>absolutely no reason, in fact, no science towards giving them

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<v Speaker 3>any of the COVID vaccines unless they have a special

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<v Speaker 3>medical problem. Above that, when you get up to our

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<v Speaker 3>age and things, I think we do know the answer,

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<v Speaker 3>but the.

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<v Speaker 4>Government won't reveal it.

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<v Speaker 3>So let's say you've had a vaccination and you've had COVID.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's say you're seventy years old, you've had COVID twice,

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<v Speaker 3>and you've had two vaccines. What is the chance that

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<v Speaker 3>you will now die or go to the hospital from COVID.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's close to zero. But they won't tell

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<v Speaker 4>us this.

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<v Speaker 3>All they do is they say, mindlessly, go get a

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<v Speaker 3>COVID vaccine every six months because.

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<v Speaker 4>You're told to.

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<v Speaker 3>And it makes us wonder is this done at the

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<v Speaker 3>behest of big pharma? Is this done to make money

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<v Speaker 3>for big drug companies, or is it done with any science.

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<v Speaker 3>They have the data, They have the data on millions

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<v Speaker 3>of Americans. Tell us what the truth is, seventy years old,

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<v Speaker 3>had COVID twice, had two vaccines. Is what is the

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<v Speaker 3>chance I'm going to die or go to hospital? I

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<v Speaker 3>think it's zero, But they won't tell us that. They

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<v Speaker 3>just courage you to keep getting vaccinated. If it's not zero,

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<v Speaker 3>if it's one percent chance of death, two percent, five percent,

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<v Speaker 3>tell people what it is so then you can make

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<v Speaker 3>a decision, because your decision will be based on your health,

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<v Speaker 3>your degree, and your belief in the data. But the

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<v Speaker 3>fact that they won't give us the data makes me

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<v Speaker 3>think that they're dishonest. And you know they asked me

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<v Speaker 3>this on the news this week. I said, vaccine hesitancy

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<v Speaker 3>is because people have lost trusts in the government because

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<v Speaker 3>the government's not being honest. It's not me saying don't

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<v Speaker 3>take a vaccine. What it is is the government not

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<v Speaker 3>being honest with the data, and then people automatically doubt

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<v Speaker 3>everything else the government says about all vaccines.

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<v Speaker 1>And Senator, when I go to Walgreens, which I do

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<v Speaker 1>get your vaccine, Get your vaccine. I go up to

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<v Speaker 1>the counter. I need this, need that. Okay, mister Cunningham,

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<v Speaker 1>But you got to get your vaccine. I said, no,

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<v Speaker 1>You have a beautiful wife and three kids, three adult children.

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<v Speaker 1>When you and your wife came out of the White House,

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<v Speaker 2>Have you gotten a vaccine? Personally?

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<v Speaker 4>And this is the other.

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<v Speaker 3>Thing the government hasn't been honest with.

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<v Speaker 3>got COVID, and so instead of telling them the truth

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<v Speaker 3>that once you've had it, you won't get it again,

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<v Speaker 3>or if you do, you won't get that sick again,

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<v Speaker 3>I did not get vaccinated because I had it, But

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<v Speaker 3>diabetes and our fifty pounds overweight, I might have Does

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<v Speaker 3>the vaccine work perfectly? No, it doesn't really stop infection

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<v Speaker 3>at all, but there is at least still some belief,

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<v Speaker 3>if the government's telling the truth, that it slows down

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<v Speaker 3>hospitalization and death in certain categories. But that was in

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty. I can't tell you that with the surety now,

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<v Speaker 3>The virus has mutated to become less dangerous, but we

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<v Speaker 3>This lack of honesty is really weighing, and I think

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<v Speaker 4>Some good people in there.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm for Robert Kennedy at HHS or the new CDC director.

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<v Speaker 3>First time going to reveal the government statistics and then

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<v Speaker 3>let us make a voluntary decision on what we want

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<v Speaker 4>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Lastly, no one has been more associated with getting rid

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<v Speaker 1>of the fat in the federal budget than your dad,

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<v Speaker 1>Ron and you Senator rand Paul. PBS receives about five

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<v Speaker 1>hundred million dollars a year. I watched on YouTube one

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<v Speaker 1>of their recent shows in which PBS mocks Donald Trump's

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<v Speaker 1>quote Trump's picks or quote as low as you could

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<v Speaker 1>possibly go. So we pay for lousy radio and lousy television,

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<v Speaker 1>and we get five hundred million dollars to lousy radio

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<v Speaker 1>are as low as you can go. Particularly, RFK is

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<v Speaker 3>I think we should be giving one penny to government

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<v Speaker 3>radio that is biased. And this government radio has been biased.

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<v Speaker 4>They're far left, always have been. They don't hide it.

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<v Speaker 3>what at least really half or a little bit more

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<v Speaker 3>than half of the public believe that we needed a

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<v Speaker 1>Vivek Ramaswami be successful. Not two trillion dollars, that's impossible,

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<v Speaker 1>Are you optimistic this time something will happen with a waste,

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<v Speaker 3>I've told them is there's a special lead legislative vehicle

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<v Speaker 3>the President says, well, I only need to have fifty

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<v Speaker 3>as what's called recision. The interesting thing about it is

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<v Speaker 3>Only a simple majority in the Senate, simple majority in

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<v Speaker 3>the House could actually cut spending through recision. However, temper

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<v Speaker 3>your enthusiasm because we tried this. The Trump administration tried

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<v Speaker 3>this the first go around, and it was a fifteen

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<v Speaker 4>Some things you can do.

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<v Speaker 3>I think Trump on day one can say you got

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<v Speaker 4>You don't come back to.

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<v Speaker 4>That you can let go.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'd make them all come back and I do

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<v Speaker 4>I'd say you got.

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<v Speaker 3>Next Monday, you're going to be at work or you're fired.

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<v Speaker 3>And guess what, maybe we'll be able to get rid

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<v Speaker 3>of thousands of people that way. You've also get rid

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<v Speaker 3>of thousands by not replacing people.

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<v Speaker 4>So as people retire, if you.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't replace them in a four year period, it might

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<v Speaker 1>Kentucky should be the home of the so called Department

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<v Speaker 1>of the Interior. Get all the departments out of Washington,

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<v Speaker 1>disperse them around the states. Senator Ran Paul, let's keep

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<v Speaker 1>the line so communication open. You're a great American, and

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<v Speaker 1>once again, thank you for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Senator, Thanks Bill, and God bless America. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>continue with more are your thoughts? Five one, three, seven, four, nine,

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<v Speaker 1>seven thousand. Bill Cunningham on News radio seven hundred WLW