Speaker 1: Billy Cunningham, the great American, and welcome this Monday afternoon
Speaker 1: of the Tri State Bengals. Bengals ated on Sunday against Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1: And according to the experts on Fox Sports, if the
Speaker 1: Bengals win the next six games, they have a seventy
Speaker 1: one percent chance of being in the playoffs.
Speaker 2: But they can't lose any more.
Speaker 1: But until then, Senator Ran Paul, my favorite senator from
Speaker 1: my homestay of Kentucky, Welcome to the Bill Cunningham Show.
Speaker 1: And Senator I understand you're the ranking member now of
Speaker 1: Homeland Security and coming up in about eight weeks or
Speaker 1: seven weeks, you're going to be the chair of the
Speaker 1: committee with the gabble and real power. I want to
Speaker 1: ask you an international question before we deal with that,
Speaker 1: and that is this. The other day, about a week
Speaker 1: or so ago, I watched President Joe Biden being blessed
Speaker 1: by a Brazilian shaman with incense. And at the conclusion
Speaker 1: of that, he walked into the forest and the Secret
Speaker 1: Service went after him. He also skipped the picture because
Speaker 1: because last time he was in the picture, they put
Speaker 1: him in the back row. And as we sit here,
Speaker 1: assuming the shamans work was effective in the Brazilian rainforest.
Speaker 1: I look in Israel under attack by the Hesblah, by
Speaker 1: the Hoodies indirectly through Iran. I look in Ukraine as
Speaker 1: ballistic missiles are flying into the Ukraine from Russia. I
Speaker 1: look at North Korean troops either inside Ukraine or on
Speaker 1: the border. In other words, I see all hell breaking loose.
Speaker 1: And the best we can do with our commander in
Speaker 1: chief is a blessing by a Brazilian rainforest shaman.
Speaker 2: Are you concerned? Are you concerned about this?
Speaker 3: It would be funny, Bill, if it weren't tragic, If
Speaker 3: this man weren't still in charge of our nuclear arsenal,
Speaker 3: it would be comical to see this man wandering around
Speaker 3: the rainforest, you know, getting blessed by a sham. And no,
Speaker 3: I'm still very very concerned about it. I mean, just
Speaker 3: last week he okayed using long range missiles from Ukraine
Speaker 3: to Russia.
Speaker 4: And it's easy to say, well.
Speaker 3: Gosh, Russia deserves it. Russia invaded them and crane to
Speaker 3: be allowed to do this. And yet he's doing this.
Speaker 3: As the new administration comes in, who's going to try
Speaker 3: to have a negotiated settlement and to try to get peace.
Speaker 3: The other thing is is every action creates another action.
Speaker 3: So while our sympathies are with Ukraine, once they launched
Speaker 3: these missiles deep inside Russia, what did Russia do? They
Speaker 3: launched ICBMs, really one of the first times we've seen
Speaker 3: ICBMs used without nuclear tips. But nevertheless ICBMs were used
Speaker 3: to launch deep inside of Ukraine. And so it's a terrible.
Speaker 4: Thing that he's doing.
Speaker 3: It's this thing that happens when you have weak, impotent
Speaker 3: presidents who just simply want to say, oh, my goodness,
Speaker 3: I want to be perceived more strongly, so I'll start
Speaker 3: launching off all of these things in a scattered way,
Speaker 3: and in the end what you get is a recklessness.
Speaker 3: And I think sometimes with strength with Donald Trump, you
Speaker 3: actually get someone who actually is a little more thoughtful
Speaker 3: before he launches missiles anywhere.
Speaker 1: And watching the so called military experts who say about
Speaker 1: these attack missiles, these specialized missiles that are killing Russians,
Speaker 1: American missiles killing Russians, they tell me that it has
Speaker 1: no strategic significance at all, that there's not enough being
Speaker 1: and it doesn't matter except what if some country was
Speaker 1: attacking America with their missiles and our citizens were dying
Speaker 1: in some horrible war.
Speaker 2: What would we do? But why do it? It has
Speaker 2: no military significance at all.
Speaker 3: No, it ends up having psychological significance but no military significance.
Speaker 3: You lost some missile that maybe the missile costs fifty
Speaker 3: million dollars and one person dies.
Speaker 4: And so nobody it provokes the enemy.
Speaker 3: There's so many real politic things that Trump can do
Speaker 3: to end this war. So a few months ago by
Speaker 3: dedministration sent a bunch of people yelling and also blinking
Speaker 3: over to China, and they yelled and screamed at the
Speaker 3: Chinese and told them what they were angry at. But
Speaker 3: my point, I told Biden and Blink in this privately,
Speaker 3: is you want the Chinese to quit selling parts to
Speaker 3: the Russians, duel use parts to the Russians.
Speaker 4: Why don't you make a trade deal with.
Speaker 3: Them, remove some sanctions, and say, look, if we allow
Speaker 3: some more trade to happen, you quit selling parts to Russia.
Speaker 3: That's the kind of thing that works with China. But
Speaker 3: instead we just go over there, add more sanctions yellow them,
Speaker 3: and really, in the end, the best thing you want
Speaker 3: to do right now is kind of what Nixon did.
Speaker 4: Frankly, and that's to prive.
Speaker 3: China away from being allied too close to Russia.
Speaker 1: Right now, you're going to be a great leader of
Speaker 1: the Senate, and thank god you're my favorite Kentucky senator.
Speaker 1: But secondly, how much trouble are we in? I hear
Speaker 1: the experts say, Senator Ran Paul that this is the
Speaker 1: beginning of World War III. We have North Koreans involved,
Speaker 1: Chinese involved, we have Russians involved, we have Iran involved,
Speaker 1: we have Syria involved, we have South yem And involved.
Speaker 2: Is everything you know?
Speaker 1: Is this the precursor to Word War three, in which
Speaker 1: the survivability of our civilization is at risk?
Speaker 3: There's always the danger of that. People who say that
Speaker 3: it's not a danger shouldn't be in charge. And this
Speaker 3: is the current Biden administration. Now will it be worlworthree?
Speaker 4: Of course?
Speaker 3: I think there are alternatives, and I hope not. I
Speaker 3: do believe strongly that Donald Trump has the strength and
Speaker 3: projects the strength that he can negotiate a peaceful settlement.
Speaker 3: The other reason there's a good chance we can get
Speaker 3: peace in Ukraine is it's a standstill. It's a stalemate.
Speaker 3: Even Zelenski, the President of Ukraine now admits it, as
Speaker 3: generals are admitting it, and Russia solidly occupies part of
Speaker 3: the don Bass eastern Ukraine that got CRIMEA, and I
Speaker 3: don't think Ukraine has the ability to dislodge them, but
Speaker 3: neither does Russia have the ability to completely take over Ukraine.
Speaker 3: And some say as many as a million people have
Speaker 3: died or been wounded in the battles. So I think
Speaker 3: the time is right for negotiation. I think Trump wants that,
Speaker 3: and my hope is that we will get some sort
Speaker 3: of negotiated seaspar soon.
Speaker 1: Lastly, before we talk about COVID, which I've watched some
Speaker 1: of your interviews on that.
Speaker 2: They're fabulous.
Speaker 1: But if something would happen tomorrow or the next day
Speaker 1: or the next day, and we need a commander in
Speaker 1: chief to make a quick, correct decision about some international
Speaker 1: conflict that could drag America into war, I can't imagine
Speaker 1: if somebody had said to you, Senator rand Paul, a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago that Russia is launching numerous ICBMs
Speaker 1: in Europe, you would say, what if somebody has to
Speaker 1: make a life and death decision right now in the
Speaker 1: White House, Who's going to make it? Is that doctor
Speaker 1: Jill Biden who's making the decision?
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: I think it is similar actually to you know, during
Speaker 3: World War One when Woodrow Wilson was incapacitated by a
Speaker 3: stroke and Missus Wilson ran the White House for over
Speaker 3: a year, there have been people calling Jill Biden missus
Speaker 3: Wilson derisively. So but because she they think she's running it.
Speaker 3: I don't have inside information to know who makes the decisions.
Speaker 3: I don't believe Biden is fully competent to make these
Speaker 3: kind of decisions.
Speaker 4: It worries me.
Speaker 3: But it also worries me because not just sort of
Speaker 3: an accident happening or a military encounter happening that they
Speaker 3: as to respond to. It's them actually eagerly seeking out mistakes,
Speaker 3: like eagerly seeking out for three years they said to
Speaker 3: the Ukraine, you can't.
Speaker 4: Use these missiles inside.
Speaker 3: Russia, and they eagerly seek it out. After the people
Speaker 3: have said, see, Joe, we're ready for you to go
Speaker 3: into retirement, he actively seeks out a way to intervene
Speaker 3: in the war that could escalate it. So yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: very worried for the next month or so month and
Speaker 3: a half.
Speaker 4: Until we get a new president. But I am encouraged that.
Speaker 3: I think Donald Trump is appointing people who will negotiate
Speaker 3: a peace and I'm going to keep pushing in that
Speaker 3: direction as well.
Speaker 1: Senator Ram Paul Covid is back a couple good friends
Speaker 1: of mine, the married couple for like forty years. They're
Speaker 1: both in bed as I speak with COVID. I have
Speaker 1: several of my friends who have contracted COVID. Once again,
Speaker 1: it's back. I have not gotten the booster. I'm done
Speaker 1: with it, not going to do it anymore. My doctor
Speaker 1: tells me do I'm not going to order you to
Speaker 1: do it.
Speaker 2: It's up to you.
Speaker 1: I said, Doc, have you taken the additional boosters? And
Speaker 1: he told me no, I haven't. I said, that's my answer.
Speaker 1: I've had it. I don't believe what I'm being told.
Speaker 1: I think there's monetary and political reasons to have the lockdowns.
Speaker 1: You're a medical doctor, You're going to be the head
Speaker 1: of the Homeland security. What is the status of COVID.
Speaker 1: Would you advise people to get the additional boosters? And
Speaker 1: do you trust government to give us correct information?
Speaker 3: I don't trust the government, And because I don't trust
Speaker 3: the government, they haven't been forthcoming with the data. It's
Speaker 3: hard to give you an exact answer. I will tell
Speaker 3: you that it depends on your age, depends on your
Speaker 3: risk factors, and your health, and that each individual you
Speaker 3: know may be slightly different. I can tell you that
Speaker 3: if your child is six month old, probably up to
Speaker 3: thirty or even four, and they're healthy, and then there's
Speaker 3: absolutely no reason, in fact, no science towards giving them
Speaker 3: any of the COVID vaccines unless they have a special
Speaker 3: medical problem. Above that, when you get up to our
Speaker 3: age and things, I think we do know the answer,
Speaker 3: but the.
Speaker 4: Government won't reveal it.
Speaker 3: So let's say you've had a vaccination and you've had COVID.
Speaker 3: Let's say you're seventy years old, you've had COVID twice,
Speaker 3: and you've had two vaccines. What is the chance that
Speaker 3: you will now die or go to the hospital from COVID.
Speaker 4: I think it's close to zero. But they won't tell
Speaker 4: us this.
Speaker 3: All they do is they say, mindlessly, go get a
Speaker 3: COVID vaccine every six months because.
Speaker 4: You're told to.
Speaker 3: And it makes us wonder is this done at the
Speaker 3: behest of big pharma? Is this done to make money
Speaker 3: for big drug companies, or is it done with any science.
Speaker 3: They have the data, They have the data on millions
Speaker 3: of Americans. Tell us what the truth is, seventy years old,
Speaker 3: had COVID twice, had two vaccines. Is what is the
Speaker 3: chance I'm going to die or go to hospital? I
Speaker 3: think it's zero, But they won't tell us that. They
Speaker 3: just courage you to keep getting vaccinated. If it's not zero,
Speaker 3: if it's one percent chance of death, two percent, five percent,
Speaker 3: tell people what it is so then you can make
Speaker 3: a decision, because your decision will be based on your health,
Speaker 3: your degree, and your belief in the data. But the
Speaker 3: fact that they won't give us the data makes me
Speaker 3: think that they're dishonest. And you know they asked me
Speaker 3: this on the news this week. I said, vaccine hesitancy
Speaker 3: is because people have lost trusts in the government because
Speaker 3: the government's not being honest. It's not me saying don't
Speaker 3: take a vaccine. What it is is the government not
Speaker 3: being honest with the data, and then people automatically doubt
Speaker 3: everything else the government says about all vaccines.
Speaker 1: And Senator, when I go to Walgreens, which I do
Speaker 1: and frequently because of their selling of abortion pills, but
Speaker 1: that's a different issue. And when I go there to
Speaker 1: get a prescription filled, I'm I got signs up everywhere,
Speaker 1: get your vaccine, Get your vaccine. I go up to
Speaker 1: the counter. I need this, need that. Okay, mister Cunningham,
Speaker 1: But you got to get your vaccine. I said, no,
Speaker 1: I don't have to get my vaccine. There is such
Speaker 1: a push now to get the vaccine winners coming people inside.
Speaker 2: And I would ask you this question.
Speaker 1: You have a beautiful wife and three kids, three adult children.
Speaker 1: When you and your wife came out of the White House,
Speaker 1: you were split upon by Democrats.
Speaker 2: Have you gotten a vaccine? Personally?
Speaker 4: I didn't.
Speaker 3: I got COVID in March of twenty twenty, so I
Speaker 3: got it naturally early on. I can't say that I
Speaker 3: wouldn't have gotten vaccinated. I'm sixty one years old. I'm
Speaker 3: pretty good hell, but I can't tell people for sure
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have. But because I was infected, I didn't.
Speaker 4: And this is the other.
Speaker 3: Thing the government hasn't been honest with.
Speaker 4: You know, throughout COVID.
Speaker 3: Essential workers like meat processors, it's a hard job. A
Speaker 3: lot of them are you know, people who work hard
Speaker 3: but have a high school degree or less, they all
Speaker 3: got COVID, and so instead of telling them the truth
Speaker 3: that once you've had it, you won't get it again,
Speaker 3: or if you do, you won't get that sick again,
Speaker 3: and that you should be safe, we told them, oh,
Speaker 3: now you have to wear fourteen masks and plexiglass and
Speaker 3: all this stuff. That wasn't true, And so that's what
Speaker 3: I would tell people.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 3: I did not get vaccinated because I had it, But
Speaker 3: it's an individual, personalized decision. You know, if I had
Speaker 3: diabetes and our fifty pounds overweight, I might have Does
Speaker 3: the vaccine work perfectly? No, it doesn't really stop infection
Speaker 3: at all, but there is at least still some belief,
Speaker 3: if the government's telling the truth, that it slows down
Speaker 3: hospitalization and death in certain categories. But that was in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty. I can't tell you that with the surety now,
Speaker 3: because they aren't releasing the real time statistics of how
Speaker 3: many people who have had it are actually dying or
Speaker 3: going to the hospital. I think, once again it's probably zero.
Speaker 3: The virus has mutated to become less dangerous, but we
Speaker 3: also have all developed more immunity, both from getting the
Speaker 3: disease and some from the vaccine. But I don't know.
Speaker 3: This lack of honesty is really weighing, and I think
Speaker 3: we can get.
Speaker 4: Some good people in there.
Speaker 3: I'm for Robert Kennedy at HHS or the new CDC director.
Speaker 4: I'm for all of these people. They are people who
Speaker 4: I think are for the.
Speaker 3: First time going to reveal the government statistics and then
Speaker 3: let us make a voluntary decision on what we want
Speaker 3: as patients.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: Lastly, no one has been more associated with getting rid
Speaker 1: of the fat in the federal budget than your dad,
Speaker 1: Ron and you Senator rand Paul. PBS receives about five
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars a year. I watched on YouTube one
Speaker 1: of their recent shows in which PBS mocks Donald Trump's
Speaker 1: cabinet picks, including RFK as a vaccine denier, and they said,
Speaker 1: quote Trump's picks or quote as low as you could
Speaker 1: possibly go. So we pay for lousy radio and lousy television,
Speaker 1: and we get five hundred million dollars to lousy radio
Speaker 1: stations to tell us with our money that Trump's picks
Speaker 1: are as low as you can go. Particularly, RFK is
Speaker 1: being crucified by public broadcasting. Why in the world do
Speaker 1: we pay for bad radio.
Speaker 3: I think we should be giving one penny to government
Speaker 3: radio that is biased. And this government radio has been biased.
Speaker 4: They're far left, always have been. They don't hide it.
Speaker 4: But why in the world.
Speaker 3: Would we be subsidizing a point of view that contradicts
Speaker 3: what at least really half or a little bit more
Speaker 3: than half of the public believe that we needed a
Speaker 3: change and we need new people in government. And for
Speaker 3: PBS to be that openly biased, I think is insane
Speaker 3: and we should stop it.
Speaker 1: Well, you know we say that all the time, and
Speaker 1: now we have a Republican House, Republican Senate, Republican president.
Speaker 1: It's a financial matter, as I understand it. You don't
Speaker 1: have to get to sixty votes in the Senate to
Speaker 1: get rid of it. Will Elon Musk and my friend
Speaker 1: Vivek Ramaswami be successful. Not two trillion dollars, that's impossible,
Speaker 1: I would think, but at least maybe the penny plan
Speaker 1: one percent?
Speaker 2: Two percent?
Speaker 1: Are you optimistic this time something will happen with a waste,
Speaker 1: fraud and abuse by making government workers maybe come to work.
Speaker 1: Are you confident it's going to happen this time?
Speaker 3: I'm very hopeful. I've been in contact with the I'm
Speaker 3: a big fan of evank Ramaswami. I think he's sincere smart,
Speaker 3: and I think that we have a real chance. What
Speaker 3: I've told them is there's a special lead legislative vehicle
Speaker 3: called recision. So if the Congress sans spending the president,
Speaker 3: the President says, well, I only need to have fifty
Speaker 3: percent of what you sent me. I'm not going to
Speaker 3: spend it. I'm going to send it back to you
Speaker 3: as what's called recision. The interesting thing about it is
Speaker 3: it's a privileged vote and it only takes Republican votes.
Speaker 3: Only a simple majority in the Senate, simple majority in
Speaker 3: the House could actually cut spending through recision. However, temper
Speaker 3: your enthusiasm because we tried this. The Trump administration tried
Speaker 3: this the first go around, and it was a fifteen
Speaker 3: billion dollar cut, which is not that much, frankly, and
Speaker 3: two Republicans in the Senate defected and the recision package failed,
Speaker 3: So we didn't do We didn't successfully use recision at
Speaker 3: all in the first Trump presidency. I hope with Elon
Speaker 3: and with evek promoting this and giving it publicity, that
Speaker 3: we'll be able to do at this time.
Speaker 4: Some things you can do.
Speaker 3: I think Trump on day one can say you got
Speaker 3: to come back to work.
Speaker 4: You don't come back to.
Speaker 3: Work, fired, then you're fired for cause, and it actually
Speaker 3: expands the universe of people.
Speaker 4: That you can let go.
Speaker 3: So I'd make them all come back and I do
Speaker 3: day one.
Speaker 4: I'd say you got.
Speaker 3: Next Monday, you're going to be at work or you're fired.
Speaker 3: And guess what, maybe we'll be able to get rid
Speaker 3: of thousands of people that way. You've also get rid
Speaker 3: of thousands by not replacing people.
Speaker 4: So as people retire, if you.
Speaker 3: Don't replace them in a four year period, it might
Speaker 3: be a half million to a million people will retire.
Speaker 1: Kentucky should be the home of the so called Department
Speaker 1: of the Interior. Get all the departments out of Washington,
Speaker 1: disperse them around the states. Senator Ran Paul, let's keep
Speaker 1: the line so communication open. You're a great American, and
Speaker 1: once again, thank you for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Senator, Thanks Bill, and God bless America. Let's
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