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remain anonymous and for understandable reasons too. With that in mind,
I'm just gonna call her Abby, Abby, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me on, Dick, Well.
Speaker 2: Thanks for being here. I know this isn't easy, as
the listeners are going to hear, it's not easy at all,
but it took a lot of courage for you to
come forward like this and share your experience.
Speaker 1: Yes, definitely, but it will be good for me to share.
Speaker 2: Well. I hope it really pays a lot of dividends
when you do this, and I'm pretty sure it will.
But having said that, first things first, please give us
a brief bio in yourself, of course being vague.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm in my mid forties right now, and I'm
a fitness teacher instructor that helps people to get in shape.
And also i was a over tween year old teacher
as well as preschool teacher.
Speaker 2: Wow, it sounds like you stay busy. It's a wonder
you have time to do anything else.
Speaker 1: Yes, And it pays off being busy and knowing about
the health and human bodies and childcare and everything like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sure does. Abby. Due to how intense your
encounter was, you've really suffered over the years since it happened.
What kind of negative effects have you been dealing with though,
as a result of that encounter.
Speaker 1: Well, with my encounter, it had two big, huge negative effects. First,
I was traumatized by the event itself and also the
aftermath of that event. The first one, I became like
the fear of the dark. I could not after that encounter,
I could not stand going into the dark. I always
feel I have to watch over my shoulder and I
even have to like self talk myself like you're being
still just keep going, even to the mailbox. I just
don't like being in the dark by myself. And then
also the aftermath it was with the men in black
kind of looking if I open my mouth about this
my encounter, what is I reco you know the consequences
for that. And also also it kind of have changed
my viewpoint of adults because this happened when I was
a child and how the adults reacted and to my encounter,
it kind of changed me personally, saying, hey, adults are
kind of don't They don't really want to help you out.
You have to be careful what you say, and so
it kind of makes me not trust more of the
adults that like I had before.
Speaker 2: Well after the way the adults treated you when you
needed the most, I can understand why you develop those fear.
Shame on them for giving you the cold shoulder the
way they did. And unfortunately, when a dog mean that
you encounter takes a friend's life the way it did
your friend's life, it's totally understandable why you'd be afraid
of the dark, totally understandable. But before we get into that,
I'm wondering, until now it's a safe to say that
that encounter ruined your life or would you say that's
not the case.
Speaker 1: That's a hard one because it didn't really ruin my life,
but it kind of scarred me in a way that
I do things differently or think things differently than I
have been And also a little bit about myself, like
if I kind of over the years, I just stuffed
that encountered down, so I never shared it with anybody
at all because I've always thought people will think I'm crazy.
Speaker 2: Well, when you consider all the elements of what happened
that night, I can understand why you did that. But
until recently, the only person you had shared that with,
like you said, was your husband. But was it difficult
to keep it in like that or are you glad
you did that?
Speaker 1: I'm glad that I opened up, And like, at first,
I did not know what a dog man what it is.
Even with this occurrent and because of my husband loved
listening to your show and I heard other encounters. It
kind of helped me bring it out, saying, hey, that's
what I encountered too, So it helped me then knowing
I'm not the only one who have seen this and
also helped me. He helped also helped me identify was
what happened like because I never knew the dog man existed.
I did not know what a dog man was or
anything like that, and I always referred to the beast.
That's the only way I could describe it, is the beast.
And then when not because of my husband and I
and we started, he started teaching about the dog man,
and I'm like Hey, that's exactly what I experienced, and
it helped me to open it up to my husband,
and because of his encouraging words, I'm willing to open
up to the public about it what I encountered as well.
Speaker 2: Well, like I told you before, I'm so glad you
are opening up to the public about this encounter. I
think it is going to help you quite a bit.
And considering how your encounter happened, well over twenty years ago,
how long was it before your husband told you what
it was that you saw that you encountered.
Speaker 1: Well, I've been with my husband for over eight years,
and when we were dating, we started listening into like
crippets like Bigfoot dog Man and UFOs and stuff like that,
and it kind of I'm like, hey, you know, and
he kind of agreed on I experienced the dog Man
as well. So it was kind of nice. It was
that we were bonding about it because I'm like, hey,
he did not view me as crazy and he took
what I experienced as a face factor. And also talking
to my husband kind of helped me realize on certain
elements of my what my experience like about that bridge
and how it kind of is kind of silly that
I when I thought about the bridge, the importance of
the bridge when I was a child. But also he
helped me realize that the dog man did not want
to hurt me. He was just kind of toying with me,
just trying to scare me, which he accomplished well understandably.
Speaker 2: So after it did what it did to you a
few nights ago at one twenty am or right around
one twenty am, you sent me a text message because
you're really in a bad way. What was giving me
so much trouble?
Speaker 1: Well, I finally my husband finally opened up. He said,
I think you need to talk to Vic about why
he your recountered and to help it get you off
your chest. And like I said, like I've felt like
since I was a child. I stuffed the my encounter
down deep and I did not share this with nobody.
I didn't even share it with my parents. I didn't
share it with anybody because of I was afraid of
being viewed as crazy and also the consequences of I'm
not supposed to do what I'm supposed to be knowing
on what I was supposed to do, like sneaking out
at you know, middle of the night. But since I
opened up to you, Vic, I started it was like
that wound being refreshed open and exposing all that trauma.
And ever since I start having me as of like
if that counter like it was just like me that
my mind just kind of replayed it over and over
in my head, and I again it kind of got
feared into my fears of feeling like, oh, I'm being
scared of the dark, kind of like thinking looking at
the outside in the woods, I was like thinking, I
will see a pair of yellow eyes again gleaming at me,
even though I know it's silly. And I just started
feeling like I'm like that child again, fearing of the Boogeyman,
which I kind of felt like he actually was existed
from you know, the dog man. You know you never
hear about that, but it was like the Boogeyman came
into real life with me and and I just feel
like just opening up that just attatched to the old
wounds that I stuffed down deeply. But it's in a
good way also because it kind of released the kind
of scar tissue over that wound and let me heal
and stuff and kind of figuring out it's like, hey,
this did happen, and it's not my fault on what
happened and stuff. So I had that guilty feeling of
what happened and it kind of released after talking to you,
that guilt feeling, the heavy feeling of burden released and stuff.
Speaker 2: Well, thank goodness, it did release. And it really depends
on how traumatic a dog mean encounter is as to
how likely the eyewitnesses to experience what you did as
far as opening the old wound causing all these problems.
But yeah, since your encounter was truly over the top
when it comes to trauma, I can totally understand why
it affected you that way. But yeah, you are. It
seems to me at least like you're getting better. It's
going to take time, like I told you before, but
as long as you remember the things that I shared
with you, then you will get over this in time
to the point where you can think back on this
and it definitely won't be nearly as difficult to deal
with and think about.
Speaker 1: Yes, I agree with you on that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just going to take time. If you've had
a dogman encounter, I would like to speak with me
about it, whether I'm private or on the show. Please
go to dogmanencounters dot com and submit a report. All right, Abby,
please tell us about your encounter. Now give us every
last detail it comes to mind.
Speaker 1: Okay, this happened in a suburb of Colorado, and I
was sixteen years old, and the rumor of the school
was there were there was a deep demonic creature thing
that lived in this park. And but the thing with
the demonic creature cannot go over this bridge. It cannot
so it could chase you, but it can literally cannot
cross this bridge. So, as a typical teenager, four and
four of my friends and I decided to see if
this actually is a real creature and if the rumor
was true. So so we decided to sneak out on
an October day. It just was raining all day, so
everything was wet, and you know, it was the air
was crisp, and so all the leaves were on the ground,
uh wet, kind of like all the colors. And this
park is kind of kind of we It's not a
typical park. It's kind of more an open space park,
which there is some houses. There are like about five
to seven houses face a park and and in plus,
this area is more rural, so there's not much houses
or activity around. And the the east side there's this
bridge that is a red kind of worn down bridge,
wooden bridge that crossed this creek and you have to
go through this bridge to get into this park. And
this park is kittquartered against the Front Range mountains, So
the west side of this park is with a mountain
opens up to the mountains, and the north and south
it is just open space and is this park is
really wooded area, like kind of like a forest, a
lot of trees, bushes and once there is no other
entrances to this park except for this bridge. You have
to cross this bridge to get into the park, and
as soon as you go through the bridge, it splits
onto mini trails. The trails are just kind of really narrow,
it's just enough for a bike to go through, and
it's all dirt paths and stuff. So like this happened
at between one and three in the morning, and Josh
was in the front, then there's Jesse, then my friend
only and then I was in the back and we
were walking through the forest and we were walking like
about good for a good hour or two, nothing really happening.
But of course Jeline and I are really kind of frightening,
and of course the boys are kind of playing macho teenagers, like, hey,
you know, there's nothing to be scared of. I can't
believe you're scary cats, but Jeline and I are just
kind of was really on edge. And then like a
good an hour or two of walking, then all of
a sudden, the forest went silent. Everything went silent. There
was no cricket chirping, no owls hooting, known force sounds
at all. Everything just got really eerie quiet. And then
and I got that sense of feeling that that energy
of the forest has changed, and I got sense of
there's something in the forest. There's I don't know what
it is. It's not good. There's something's not good. It's
and I started becoming terrified, but I kept on walking
and following my friend. And then all of a sudden,
I heard a big thud of like heavy footsteps right
behind me. And it didn't it sounds like something heavy
stepping on wet leaves. It wasn't crunchy, but it was
wet like that kind of hand described that sound. But
you're just something stomping through these leaves. And then all
of a sudden, I hear like a deep gurgling growl,
and I slowly looked over my left shoulder, and what
I encountered was a huge twelve foot beast. How to
describe it was he looked like a cross between a
van Helsing wear wolf and a Bad Moon wear wolf.
Like the van Helsing is like this gut creature was ripped.
He had the girth, really white shoulders like a bodybuilder.
He had a built the front hit he was you
could see all his muscles ripping out, and his arms
were at least like good twenty seven inches or thicker,
and you could just see all the muscles and stuff.
But he had also the parents of shagginess like the
werewolf on Bad Moon. And I saw that gleam of
the yellow amber in his eyes just kind of glowing.
His eyes were just glowing. And then all of a sudden,
I saw his hands were raccoon hands. Looked exactly like
raccoon hands. Then his finger tip fingernails were like about
good five to seven inches long, and it reminds me
of it had a little curve at the tip. It
kind of reminds me of the manicure ladies getting the
fake acrylic nails on before they get cut. Off to
the right length of the nails, so like had that
curve and waw nails of like a manicure, fake nails
and this then I saw that, and he was kind
of foaming in his mouth a little bit like kind
of drool, kind of like some drool coming out. And
he had that awful smell of kind of like a
mix between wet dog and death like became flesh, and
he had that kind of mixture of those two cents.
And I would and this dog man was like about
a good six inches to a foot away from me.
Just I felt like he was kind of hovering over
me almost, that's how close he was. And I was
so terrified. I could not even move. I couldn't even
scream or anything. I couldnt make out a sound. I
just literally was just frozen. Now I don't know how
I managed, but I started moving in my hands and
started pawing at one of my friends, Jonathan, and I
kept on pawing at him, and he kind of turned
middle of him, turning around. He's like, he's like, what
is your problem? Why are you being so scary? Captain?
All sudden the mid sentence, he looked and he dropped
the flashlight, and then all of us turned around and
everybody froze, and everybody was terrified, except Josh, the leader.
He's like, oh, come on, it's just a just a
person in a costume and you start mocking. Then. I
don't know how to describe it, but this whole scene
seemed like it was in slow motion. And as soon
as I then I heard someone say, run, run for
the bridge, and I don't know, it was like something
just took off on me like a lightning bolt. And
everybody except Josh started running for this bridge because the
rumor was the beast cannot cross the bridge. So we
thought the bridge is more for safety, and we are
running and running and stuff, and I was the last one.
I was never a fast runner. But I don't know
how to explain it, but it seemed like we went
in a time warp and it seemed like, uh that
one hour of us walking, it turned into like the
bridge was only half a mile away, and so we
so all my friends crossed this bridge, and when we
were running, the dog man was chasing us. He was
just doing zig zags and stuff. Kind of really he
was really right on my heels at this time, but
he was just doing from one zig zag to another zigzac,
just chasing us. And he was how he ran was different.
It wasn't like a typical dog or wolf running. It
was more like supernatural that he is. More like I'm
kind of gliding, but he was not gliding. It was
kind of It was really full of all amazement on
how he was so graceful and athletic, how he was moving.
But at the same time he was like right at
my heels. And as soon as I went to the bridge,
I tripped over the little corner of the bridge and
I face planted myself right on the bridge, and my
friends were cheering, It's like, come on, come on, hurry up,
hurry up. And at that time, at the same time
my friends and were pulling me over this bridge, and
at that same time, that dog man was ripping. He
he was his claws were ripping into my pants and
my shoes and my socks. His scratches were not like
a normal scratch. The best way to describe his scratches
are like there's something supernatural like and how a ghost
or the enanity scratches you that little burn. And his
scratches are so sharp and precise that it's like razor blades.
It's like something like so sharp that there's my shoes
and my pants and socks were nothing to him that
It's like him doing like cutting through a hot knife
through butter. That's how smooth these scratches were. And these
scratches were they kind of were like kind of red
and throbbing but kind of burning at the same time,
and it kind of lifted up in my shoes and
my pants. My edge of my pants and my socks
were covered in blood, and they were just kind of
more like scratches, kind of like an enerity scratching you.
And but it was so sharp that it's nothing, nothing
compared to it. It looked like you put my shoes
through the shred or that's how fast. And this happened,
and it happened within a like probably in one second
or less, and then all of a sudden, Josh made
it like cod of like a mocky noise. I don't
know how he made it, but it's like center like
a hooting, laughing kind of hysterical laughing noise. And then
all of a sudden, when he made that noise, the
dog man stopped what he was doing, perked up his
ears and looked at that direction. Then in a flash,
he was gone. I mean like just like not even
a couple of seconds. He just like boom like kind
of like, uh, reminded me of like a Superman hero
kind of how he was gone so fast. Then in
two seconds later or a couple seconds later, I started
hearing Josh screaming like something that's being attacking to him.
It's not a scream of fear like actually, it sounded
like something's tearing into him, like an animal was attacking him.
And immediately my friends and I started running to these
houses that face the park, and we're being on the
doors one by one and screaming and tolering and crying,
trying to get people's intention. And of course it's like
about two or three in the morning, where nobody's answering
the door or anything, and we're just pounding and pounding,
and we got to the second to the last house
and this one middle aged man finally answered the door,
and I don't know, we were all trying to talk
at once and shouting and trying, and I think we
just didn't make much sense. It just came out gibberish
because he just kind of looked at us weird, and
then I don't know if he thought it's a prank
or if when he heard that we described immediately he
called the cops and then he shut the door in
our face, turned off the porch lights, shut the blinds,
and then a few minutes later the police officers. It
was a man and a woman that came in, came in.
They had a notebook and like, we'll notebook to take
notes and stuff, and we were talking to him. As
soon as we described what we heard encountered, they closed
that notebook up up, put the pin back in their pockets,
the friend pocket of their shirt, and then they radioed
something like a code to them. Then when you were like, uh, talking,
they just kind of smiled and noded and did not
say much anything else, just like uh huh uh huh.
I remember as a child, I was so frustrated on
why were not they were not taking me seriously. I'm like, well,
our friend just got attacked us in that force go go,
and they just couldn't stood there and just smiling nodded,
And I was so frustrated because I don't know why
they were not going into the park and trying to
help our friend, and they seemed like they were not
really taking us seriously. Thin then it seemed like a
few minutes later two cars drove came approaching. One was
they were all black and they had the windows who
were so black you cannot see in it. It was
a suburban and a black tahoe. And these guys came
out of these vehicles and I could tell that they
worked for the government, something high official government, and they
were dressed in suits and they reminded me of the
Blues Brothers on how they were dressed. And the one
officer is really tall and kind of lanky, and the
other officer was like about five seven, two hundred and
eighty pounds, so he was kind of heavier set, and
the tall and linking one all through this change he
came more like was kind of outside and listening and observing.
But at the but the short one, the stockier one,
is more in your face, and he was in take
getting into our face, basically asking questions like what do
you want to know, like we want to know what
we know. He was very precise what he was asking,
and we were telling him what we are seeing. And
at this these men were not welcoming at all. They
were very kind of in your face, very timidating, and
basically the lenky one said, he said they removed my
He said, you better not say anything, or there's base uh,
or there's going to be consequences. He did not say
that directly like that, but he implied it. And they
removed my shoes, my socks, they cut off my pants
where the scratches torn up pieces are, and he basically
made it clear, was saying, I was at Jeline's house
and I was irresponsible, and I've lost my shoes in
my socks. And they were very clear that we better
not keep our mouths shut and not open to what
we saw to anybody else or anything, or there's going
to be consequences. And so then they watched us leave,
but they did not go right search of the park
or what right away. They just kind of looking at us,
making sure that we were actually leaving the park before
they did anything. And afterwards, the aftermath was kind of strange.
Everything happened so fast that Jesse, Josh and Jonathan and
Joline and I did not have a chance to talk
about what we encountered. We just kind of it was
everything just fell apart Jouine, her parents all of a
sudden moved Jeline and her parents moved away, like just
middle of the night. They stopped what they're doing and
they moved away. And Jonathan went into military school, and
Jesse basically I don't know if this is true, but
he quote unquote ran away across the state to meet
this other girl that he liked. So everybody left and
I was the only one. And and what happened Nobody
what happened with Josh. Nobody heard anything from Josh, like
you he It was just like everybody, you disappeared from
the face of the planet. The only thing I heard
that they found a bloody shirt that's ripped up in
the top of a tree and the and I don't
know what happened with Josh, And nobody opened up about him.
It was a very like everybody was tight mouth closed,
like he did not exist at all. And so I
just kept quiet because I did not want anything to
happen to me or anything like those men men in
black scared the pants out of me. I did not,
Like I was afraid that I was going to be
going to talentale on me and say, hey, you know,
I'm not supposed to be out, so I was afraid
being in trouble with my parents and everybody and stuff.
So I just kept quiet all these years. And I
did not know what a dog man was actually. When
you hear were wolves are dog man, I thought, Uh,
it was more of the people with a over hairy parents,
you know, with a lot of hair. So I did
not believe in them at all. And then then when
I went I think, I met my husband, and then
I heard the term dog man and other people describe
and I'm like, yes, that's what I experienced. And the
two major things about this dog man I remember I
cannot get out of my head is those eyes and
those hands. I don't know what it is, but those
eyes in his hands are really ingrained into me. And
so ever since, I had a fear of being in
the dark by myself, because I'm kind of waiting for
to see those yellow eyes peering over the corner and
chasing me again. And even though at the time when
I was a kid, I thought that me crossing over
the bridge was something that saved me from the dog man,
but now as an adult, I think that's ridiculous. There's
nothing about this magical about this bridge, and also I
realized that the dog man was just teasing me, kind
of toying with me, kind of like a cat in
the mouth, like he was just kind of wanting to
play and kind of scared me, scared me and my friends,
which he accomplished. And I know if he wanted to
just attack me, really attack me or my friends, he
would have done it with no problem at all. And
I think his attent was just to scare us, and
I think Josh kind of overstepped the boundaries of taunting him,
and I think that's why he got attacked or quote
unquote disappear.
Speaker 2: I think you've summed it up nicely. Yep. I'm pretty
sure that's what was behind it. I hate the fact
that happened to Josh, but like we talked about in
our conversations, unfortunately he acts very foolish, and speaking of
how he acted, there's something about all that that I
just don't understand. If it was a twelve foot tall
dog man, how could he have thought that it was
a man in a costume Because a six foot tall man,
a seven foot tall man does not fit into a
twelve foot tall costume exactly.
Speaker 1: I have no idea, and also like there cannot be
like a costume with the muscles ripping out. I have
no idea why he thought it was somebody in the
costume trying to scare us. I don't have no idea
what he was thinking.
Speaker 2: Well, some people are so those skeptical that they'll just grab
onto any idea, any theory to explain away what's right
in front of him, And it sounds to me like
that's what Josh was doing. He just wouldn't accept what
was right in front of him, and unfortunately he paid
the ultimate price. That's all there is to it. It
seems to me like you've had as much trouble dealing
with your encounter because you, unfortunately have blamed yourself over
the years for what happened to him. I'd say almost
as much as the trauma of the actual encounter itself.
Which side of this has given you more trouble the
blame or the trauma from the encounter itself.
Speaker 1: I think I kind of got the blame for the
encounter is kind of dual sighted because I blame myself
on like what happened, because I associated myself with the attack,
but also I blamed myself because I know what truly
what happened to Josh, and I kind of kept my
mouth shut and I could not get anybody to I
kind of feel like I kind of kept that hidden
from what really happened to him, where his death was,
and also the trauma as well with the beast. And
because it's like all through your life everybody says, oh,
the Boogeyman does not exist, but it does exist, so
that that kind of that realization of the Boogeyman does exist,
and plus knowing how someone died or disappeared, the true
story and your curient is kind of both of the
guilt and the trauma behind it.
Speaker 2: You're right, Yeah, you saw it with your own two eyes.
The Boogeyman does exist. That's a fact. I'm so sorry
you had to go through all of this, Holy cal
That's horrible, it really is. And like we talked about
in our second conversation there, you had no control over
Josh's actions. He acted really foolishly, but that's on him.
You couldn't have stopped him from acting that way. If
you would have tried to stop him from acting that way,
he probably would have doubled down and acted out even
more than what he was already acting like So, please
don't blame yourself for that. You're put in a very
difficult situation. You handled the best way you knew how.
I think you deserve a lot of credit for how
well you handled it. That was just a tough situation.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for those kind words. And it
was a difficult situation, and I think that's one of
the reasons why I decided to listen to my husband
and telling people actually what happened, so knowing that his
is not just a disappearance or anything. Yes, and he
did act foolishly, but but it's just that I had
to deal with that guilt and that trauma as well well.
Speaker 2: Like I said too, I mean, if the agency that
you're dealing with, I'll just keep it like that didn't
want that cat let out of the bag. There is
nothing you could do to get that cat released out
of that bag. So we're back to you just doing
the best you can to dealing with that experience. And
the best you can do is the best you can do.
You're not to blame for any of this, you really aren't.
And it's going to take time. But like I told
you in that second conversation. I just hope this really
sinks in into your subconscious so you actually can move
forward and you do stop blaming yourself because that's not
going to do any good for you.
Speaker 1: Yes. And also, like one of the trump whys those
truma is because even how my other friends left and
we got relocated or or whatever, they I just don't
A quick big question in my mind was did they
open their mouth and tell people? And then that's why
that agency removed them, so, you know, to keep it
hidden like a big cover up. And that's one of
the reasons why I was so afraid to open up
at first on what really happened with me, because I
don't want to put my family in danger. But after
discussing him with you, I kind of feel more at
peace about the whole situation.
Speaker 2: Well, that's great, I'm glad you do. Yeah. Like I
told you years ago, especially back around when this happened,
it seemed like the men in black were they were
ready to do anything to keep all of this under wraps.
But time has gone by, they've allowed people to come
forward and have YouTube channels and other podcasts to focus
on this whole phenomenon. If they had a problem with
these encounters being shared like we're doing right now. Then
I would have never been allowed to do this and
have hundreds and hundreds of guests come on week after
week and share their dog meaning encounters. And if I'm wrong,
please someone in the Men in Black let me know.
But yeah, I mean, it definitely seems to be that way.
And people who do what I do, they've been contacted
by the Men in Black, or if not the Men
in Black, then government operatives who monitor this sort of thing.
And when they've tried to come forward with evidence like photos,
videos that were too good, they've been worn. Okay, don't
do that. You're crossing the line. But if you want
to talk about this until you're blue in the face,
go ahead and talk about it, that's fine, but don't
cross that line as far as coming forward with evident
So yeah, it just seems to me like as long
as you don't focus on trying to prove their existence,
then the government doesn't have any problem with you. It
wasn't that way years ago. Again, just for clarity, but
now it seems like they don't care at all if
you talk about this ad nauseum.
Speaker 1: I totally agree with you, and I'm so thankful for
like channels like Yulia and the other YouTube videos that
people are coming out and talking about this. It makes
me less feel like I'm less crazy because I am
was afraid to open up because I don't what happened
to me. It was like so observed and crazy and
out there that I was afraid to being locked up
in a mental asylum. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I can understand why you had those concerns, but it's
normal when you're a dogman eyewitness, especially an experiencer of
a very traumatic encounter the way you are, to have
those concerns. But everything's okay. Everything has worked out just fine.
Maybe not for Josh unfortunately, but with regards to you,
because we have no control over what happened to him,
but we can focus on what you're doing, what you're
dealing with, and everything you're doing fine. I understand you're
still trying to work your way through all this and
it is going to take time. You didn't contact me
until just recently, so the healing hasn't even started until
just recently. But it sounds like you are putting the
pieces together and you are getting better. So as long
as we can say that, then that's definitely a good thing.
It really is. I'm wondering, though, Abby, when you get
into bed at night now, not back then, but when
you crawl into bed now, you lay down, you get settled,
what goes through your mind? Do you go there every
night after you get into bed and get settled, or
some nights do you not even think about it?
Speaker 1: Actually, I'm after the encounter, and even to this day,
I start having really frequent nighttares and nightmares, And even
right now I still have nightmares and stuff. But I
feel like after the second conversation it's not as intense.
But it seems like ever since I had that encounter,
I experienced really bad nighttaares and nightmares following that. Sorry, yeah,
like my like when I was a child. After it
was so bad that I don't remember how I did it.
I don't know what I did or whatever. All I
remembered was I was woke up and I was pulling
the stuffings out of my match and I was had
that flight or fight mode on, and I was just terrified,
and I'm like, how did I open my mattress up
and pulling that stuffings out? And I think, like you said,
the healing is starting to heal and starting to begin,
and I just need and I think that would nightmares
will go away eventually when I'm starting to heal well.
Speaker 2: As far as the nightmares go, it sounds to me
like that might be your biggest issue right now, not
when you're in your waking hours, but when you're actually
go to sleep. Is that accurate?
Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, when I go sleep, it is my nightmares.
It's more of my biggest issue. My husband does believe
in dog Man. He never experienced anything like dog Man
or anything like that, but he does. He's a big believer,
and when we go in the mountains, he is more
terrified of docmen counting me than I am when I'm hiking.
And I just think it's kind of silly because you
think I will be more terrified of a creature coming
out of me when I'm hiking during daylight time, but
it's kind of quite the opposite. I get more of
the traumatized at night when I go to sleep.
Speaker 2: Well, I think I know how to handle the nightmares
and night tiers that you've been dealing with. I'm going
to put you into contact with someone who specializes in
teaching people how to do what's called lucid dreaming. Lucid
dreaming is basically the art of being able to take
control of your dreams when you go to sleep. When
you dream, the part of your brain that controls your
ability to rationalize and reason and it switches off. So
that's why you every wonder why you wake up from
a dream, some crazy dream and you say, wow, that
didn't make sense at all. What was going on with
all that? Well, that's because that part of your brain
that handles your ability to rationalize to reason has switched off.
Because of that, that's why you experience so many crazy
things when you dream or have nightmares. But if you
learn how to do what's called lucid dreaming, you can,
through various techniques, realize, Okay, I'm having a nightmare. I'm
going to take control this nightmare. And with these lucid
dreaming techniques, you can take control of what's going on
in your nightmare. And you can give yourself superabilities. You
can be as strong as Supergirl, where you could fly,
you can do all sorts of things, turn your hands
into weapons, you can do anything, make a dog man
tiny as a mouse. So by doing that, by taking
control of your nightmare or night tier, depending on which
one it is that you have at the time. When
you take control like that, all of a sudden, it's
not a problem anymore. So having said all that, like
I said, I am going to put you into contact
with someone who should be able to teach you how
to do that. I really hope that's going to nip
that issue in the butt.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Oh, you're welcome, glad to do it. If it was
twelve feet tall, that's almost as tall as a freeway overpass.
If it was that tall but only about a foot
behind you or less, was it looming over you?
Speaker 1: It felt like it was towering over me. It felt
exactly like it was towering over me. Like he was
so close that I could just lift up my arm
in touch him if I wanted then to, and to
being really think mean thinking about it, I think he
was leaning over me a little bit, but it was
just kind of he was so close that I could
actually feel his hot breath on me.
Speaker 2: Oh that's not good at all. You saw its teeth
glinting in the moonlight. How big were they?
Speaker 1: They were like about kind of like that he had
like kind of cane nine teeth kind of like how
a dog it like a wolf's teeth, like the I
feel like his caneines were like about I don't really
remember that specifically how big they were, but I just
remember they kind of reminded me of like a wolf's teeth.
But they were pretty large.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure they were. You said they were pretty large.
Did it look like they were too big for it
to be able to comfortably close it smell?
Speaker 1: No, he was kind of like pushing him out a
little bit, so it's kind of hard for me to judge.
But everything of him was like really massive and proportionate.
His like his even his legs are kind of like
like kind of a dog legs and how they go
on in his hands were massive, and his feet were
like his feet were really big. It was like at
least two of my feet together. That's how big massive.
Everything hit with him is just massive.
Speaker 2: Would you describe it as having dog like footpads or
were its pads more human.
Speaker 1: Like dog like? He his pads were more like dog like. Yeah,
it kind of reminds me of like a like a
like a big wolf, like a dire wolf, or like
his hind legs in his pads were more like a
dire wolf's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I would expect. And a twelve foot
tall dog man. Yeah, their footpads can be bigger than
a dinner plate. They can be huge again, especially with
it being twelve feet tall, such a huge specimen. Wow, Abby,
I can only imagine it must have been like for
you to go through all that. No one should have
to deal with anything like that. That is just too intense.
Now you describe the dog man as gliding as it
was running behind you. Could he hear his footfalls?
Speaker 1: No, you cannot. You cannot hear his footballs at all.
It was just quiet. It's really iry quiet, like there
was no wrestling of the leaves or anything. It was
just so quiet while he was chasing us. And he
did sound like he was panting, but not really panting.
It sounded like that heavy breathing like that dog like
he was being going to attack kind of sound. But
how he was doing it like chasing us, it was
more like it was effortless, like it was just like
he was so athletic that he's this is just nothing
compared to what he has ability is and when what
I experienced with him is he's not It's like he's
not an entity, like, he's not a ghost or spirit.
He's not he's not a demon, he's not an angel
or anything like that. But he is not an animal
as well. He's more he's kind of like between and
what I heard someone mentioned, and I totally agree that.
I do think he's kind of has a He's part
of the nephilin where the giants or back in the
day Biblical eight day, and that's the best way I
could describe him. It's kind of like he is like hybrid.
He there is something hybrid about him. He's not an animal,
but he's not an entente, but he is supernatural in
a way, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2: No, that does make sense. And as more and more
time has gone by, I'm more and more convinced that
sasquatch dog men just might be nephelon, so he might
be onto something there. You described him as having long nails,
not claws, whereas nails flattened profile or where they're around.
Speaker 1: They were they were kind of flatten it kind of
it reminds me of exactly like how a lady had
a manicurist, like kind of those fake acrylic nails they
glue on your knae on your fingers and right before
they cut them or nate, but design them and nail
that file them. It kind of reminds me like that I.
Speaker 2: Heard you mentioned that that they look like that, kind
of like a lady who had long press on nails.
But I just wanted to ask you again for clarity,
because there's a reason why animals that use their claws
for making a living, there's a reason why their claws
are round in profile and not flat like that. If
claws are flat like that, like a press on nail,
they've got no strength. If you swat at something, there's
really no strength there to keep those nails from bending
backwards and snapping. But if they have a round profile,
especially if they're curved and round like a grizzly bear
has for claws, then there's strength there, a lot of strength.
All claws are bone anchored, so that gives strength at
the root. But I just wanted to check with you
just for clarity, just to make sure.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like those that kind of like a
bare claw kind of you, but it's like kind of
curves around, you know, at the tip and lawn and stuff,
so it's like rounded like at the edge, but at
the tip at the base and it kind of goes
out out a little bit, so it is like it's
not just flat like nails, but it's kind of kind
of reminded me of like a bear's claws at the
base and kind of goes out. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2: I think I'm following you. Yeah, that's the case, and
that would give them extra strength, so that would make sense.
Let's talk about those scratches that gave you. How long
did they take to heal?
Speaker 1: Like about like about three days three days to a
week to heat. And it's not like a typical scratch.
It's more like kind of like supernat if like an
enity that scratches you kind of the sharp it goes
kind of flares up a little bit, kind of swollen
a little bit. So it's not like a normal scratch
like from a like on a nail or anything like that.
It's more like more of that supernatural scratches that's kind
of really red and puffy, and it had that burning
sensation for like about three days.
Speaker 2: Well that's horrible, it really is. How deep were those scratches?
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't think they were really that deep. It
was more like superficial and more than anything else. There
was some blood, but it was that kind of a
couple drops of blood, you know, kind of like enough
just to just a tiny bit, but it was not
really deep deep. It was more of the superficial.
Speaker 2: Oh thank goodness, they weren't that deep. Then, did anything
that you put on the scratches help easier discomfort? And
what did you put on them?
Speaker 1: I just put mis boring on and just kind of
put like a cold compress on it. I didn't really
it didn't need much attention to it, because, like I said,
it's just more of the superficial. I just kind of
cleaned it up with more or less the wet rag
And plus I didn't want to draw attention to my
scratches with my parents or you anybody else. But it
was the best way to describe the scratches is like
an INTI just really came in attacked you. So there
was a little bit of blood, but not really. It's
kind of more it was more red and puffy, but
there was some blood, but it was just kind of
a couple of drops, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that does make sense. You really went through it
that night, You really did what color was that dog man.
Speaker 1: He was jet black. He was all jet black, but
he had like on his back, he had some dark
brown mixed with it, kind of like it looked like
a little bit of a brindle, a little bit on
his back, but it was more like just pure black
except for a few spots of brindle, kind of brownish
pattern on his back.
Speaker 2: Well, that's a unique pattern. How long was his fur?
Speaker 1: It was like about a couple of inches lawn. It
was more really, he was kind of shaggy, kind of
he wasn't really hairy. But the best way to describe
his fur is what where wolf and bath Moon? That's
exactly like how his face in his fur looked.
Speaker 2: Well, that's a good description. That does paint a picture.
Did you ever see a tail?
Speaker 1: I don't, honestly, I don't remember. I can't remember that.
To be honest, I don't want to say yes or no,
because I really don't remember if I did see a
tail or not.
Speaker 2: Oh that's all right. Now. You noticed a lot of things,
a lot of interesting details. I think you should be
commended when you finally crossed the bridge and rejoined your friends.
How far behind you would you say, Josh was at
that point.
Speaker 1: He was like about good luck, half a mile to mile.
It was more was like there was just like in
the forest, kind of like you could see the top
of the trees, and it seemed like he was in
the thick of the trees. So he was like where
the starting point was. I don't think he even moved
from the starting point.
Speaker 2: He was way back. Yeah, when you were talking about
how this all played out, I heard you say that
it was about half a mile from where you started
running to where you ran over the bridge. But I
wasn't sure if Josh for some time followed you or
if you just stayed put. So that's why I wanted
to ask you about that. But are there any other
physical features of that dog man that you can recall
that you could share with this, Like how tall were
its ears?
Speaker 1: Yeah? His ears were like sharp and pointy, and his
ears were like about like about a good inch long
and stuff, And wasn't he kind of had the his
ears of the the like the fan heal scene ears
kind of sharpened pointing like that, so they're not really
overgrown and stuff, but just kind of sharp, like kind
of short, sharp, sharpened pointing. And he had his nostril
his nose was not long. It was like kind of
like short, like kind of like that Bad Moon wear Wolf.
And and his teeth and so it's kind of like
his features, his physical features on his how his body was.
It's like the fan heal scene, but like his face,
his like teeth and his fur and his how his
eyes are were like the Bad Moon were Wolves.
Speaker 2: Those really good descriptions. Yeah, obviously saw from behind. So
I'm wondering, did you ever notice a mean?
Speaker 1: No, I didn't, there's no mean what.
Speaker 2: About its posture? Was it more hunched over forward or upright?
Speaker 1: He was upright. He was upright when he was on
top of us. But when he was chasing us, he
was on his forest chasing us, and it kind of
reminded me of when he was chasing us if I
look back at it. Uh, it was more like like
a dog playing and fetch or something kind of like
playing around kind of chasing. That's how he was kind
of his demeanor was. But at that time, when I
was a kid, it was like something was so terrifying
chasing you. So it's like it's a different perspective as
I got older.
Speaker 2: No, that makes sense. Time does change things, how tall
was the dog man on all fours as it was
coming after you.
Speaker 1: Gosh, I'm I want to say about six feet or
more that I don't really remember the Pacifics like that,
but he was massive coming back. He kind of reminded
me of by like a dire wolf when he was
chasing because he was so humongous on all fours itself.
He was clearly over six feet tall when he was
chasing us.
Speaker 2: That's what I would expect from a twelve footer if
it's coming after in all fours, I'd expect it to
be at least six feet tall when you consider how
long their arms are so that all fits. In the
years since your encounter, Abby, have you suffered more trauma
from the encounter itself or the ominous warning that the
men in black gave you.
Speaker 1: I'm saying when I was a it was actually a
mixture of both. When I was the warning of the
men in black really scared me up. Oh. I was
never a kid who got into trouble or or trying
to test the boundaries, So just thought of me being
in trouble with my parents scared me. And then you
have these men t intimidating you and stuff as a child.
It kind of did a number on me and stuff,
and it kind of led me to the point where
I'm like, I was afraid to open up because I
just didn't know about the safety of my family or whatever.
But also I was trauma, very traumatized by the encounter itself,
because has I don't know if you ever had a
night you know when you're a child that someone something's
chasing me, and at the very end of the chase,
you close the door and then you wake up in bed.
It was kind of like that. But I just realized
that Boogeyman does exist, and the thing that was chasing me,
it did exist. It was not a dream, it was
not a nightmare. So just the fact that I came
across something in real life of something that is chasing
us and it kind of really is traumatizing itself. Just
a fact of that huge beast like he was. It
was what I canter was so terrifying and scary. I
I when I hear people wanting to chase dog men
and trum find them, I'm like, you do not want
to see that. That is that dog man was the
most terrifying thing I have ever experienced, and seen with
my own eyes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when I hear people make comments about how they
would give anything to have a dog man encounter, I
instantly think, be careful what you wish for, because there's
so many people out there who have had that encounter,
this encounter, that encounter, who would do anything to go
back and just make it not happen. So, you know,
like I said, be very careful what you wish for.
You're a sensitive abby. Do you think that might in
some way have predisposed you to having that encounter or
do you think it didn't play a part in it
at all.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm actually I'm kind of wondering about the same thing.
That's one of the reasons why I think I handled
how they counter itself because I am as sensitive and
I've came across different entities like spirits, like human spirits, demons, angels,
and and I've learned like when I do encounter them,
I just like, oh, okay, it's kind of like you're
watching something on TV. You know they're there, it's there,
but it's like it's not going to come hurt you whatever.
But I do believe that maybe I don't know if
if there is a relation about me being as sensitive,
and I came encountered. But I think when I was
a kid, like everybody, like a people experience, when they
seek to play with fire, they will get burned. And
we were seeking if this creature did exist, and the
actually we got burned it did we found out what
the rumor was true, that there was a creature that
lived in that park.
Speaker 2: That rumor that you were just telling us about. It
makes me wonder back then when you were in school,
do you remember any talk about satanic rituals going on
in that park, Because if they were conducting Satanic rituals,
especially on a regular basis, it makes you wonder if
they might have opened up a door that shouldn't have
opened up.
Speaker 1: That's a good question, and I do think I do
think they were had some Satanic rituals in that park.
We did come across on another basis of a couple
of bone animal bones scattered in a certain pattern. So
I cannot say if there was any rituals taking place,
but it was kind of weird to see the bones
scattered in a certain pattern. How it was so it
could be they could open a portal or whatever, I
don't know, And I probably that is how the river
started is probably someone came across a ritual or something,
or like a couple of bones or what a or
artifacts or whatever, and then they came across made up
a story about this and that bridge.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there might be what's behind it. Of course, all
we can do is guess about that. We're never going
to know, but it does make you wonder. Nonetheless, Well,
it's about time for us to get out if you're abby,
But before we do, do you have any clothes in
comments you want to put out there for us?
Speaker 1: Yes, if you have encountered anything like this, do not
testentate in talk to somebody about it, because it does wonders.
Speaker 2: I'm so glad this has done wonders for you. It's
a process and like I told you, once you have
a chance to see all the positive feedback from the listeners,
I think that's going to pay huge diffidends as well.
But please remember you're never going to be alone to
deal with this. You're always going to have help. If
you ever need help from me, just reach out to
me and let me know, and of course I'll be
there for you. But having said that, thanks again for
coming on the show to share that experience, I really
appreciate it, and of course I hope you have a
great night.