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Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash Podcast. Tonight's guest wishes to

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remain anonymous and for understandable reasons too. With that in mind,

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I'm just gonna call her Abby, Abby, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me on, Dick, Well.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for being here. I know this isn't easy, as

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the listeners are going to hear, it's not easy at all,

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but it took a lot of courage for you to

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come forward like this and share your experience.

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Speaker 1: Yes, definitely, but it will be good for me to share.

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Speaker 2: Well. I hope it really pays a lot of dividends

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when you do this, and I'm pretty sure it will.

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But having said that, first things first, please give us

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a brief bio in yourself, of course being vague.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm in my mid forties right now, and I'm

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a fitness teacher instructor that helps people to get in shape.

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And also i was a over tween year old teacher

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as well as preschool teacher.

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Speaker 2: Wow, it sounds like you stay busy. It's a wonder

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you have time to do anything else.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And it pays off being busy and knowing about

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the health and human bodies and childcare and everything like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it sure does. Abby. Due to how intense your

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encounter was, you've really suffered over the years since it happened.

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What kind of negative effects have you been dealing with though,

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as a result of that encounter.

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Speaker 1: Well, with my encounter, it had two big, huge negative effects. First,

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I was traumatized by the event itself and also the

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aftermath of that event. The first one, I became like

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the fear of the dark. I could not after that encounter,

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I could not stand going into the dark. I always

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feel I have to watch over my shoulder and I

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even have to like self talk myself like you're being

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still just keep going, even to the mailbox. I just

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don't like being in the dark by myself. And then

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also the aftermath it was with the men in black

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kind of looking if I open my mouth about this

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my encounter, what is I reco you know the consequences

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for that. And also also it kind of have changed

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my viewpoint of adults because this happened when I was

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a child and how the adults reacted and to my encounter,

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it kind of changed me personally, saying, hey, adults are

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kind of don't They don't really want to help you out.

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You have to be careful what you say, and so

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it kind of makes me not trust more of the

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adults that like I had before.

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Speaker 2: Well after the way the adults treated you when you

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needed the most, I can understand why you develop those fear.

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Shame on them for giving you the cold shoulder the

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way they did. And unfortunately, when a dog mean that

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you encounter takes a friend's life the way it did

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your friend's life, it's totally understandable why you'd be afraid

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of the dark, totally understandable. But before we get into that,

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I'm wondering, until now it's a safe to say that

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that encounter ruined your life or would you say that's

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not the case.

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Speaker 1: That's a hard one because it didn't really ruin my life,

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but it kind of scarred me in a way that

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I do things differently or think things differently than I

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have been And also a little bit about myself, like

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if I kind of over the years, I just stuffed

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that encountered down, so I never shared it with anybody

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at all because I've always thought people will think I'm crazy.

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Speaker 2: Well, when you consider all the elements of what happened

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that night, I can understand why you did that. But

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until recently, the only person you had shared that with,

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like you said, was your husband. But was it difficult

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to keep it in like that or are you glad

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you did that?

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Speaker 1: I'm glad that I opened up, And like, at first,

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I did not know what a dog man what it is.

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Even with this occurrent and because of my husband loved

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listening to your show and I heard other encounters. It

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kind of helped me bring it out, saying, hey, that's

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what I encountered too, So it helped me then knowing

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I'm not the only one who have seen this and

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also helped me. He helped also helped me identify was

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what happened like because I never knew the dog man existed.

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I did not know what a dog man was or

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anything like that, and I always referred to the beast.

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That's the only way I could describe it, is the beast.

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And then when not because of my husband and I

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and we started, he started teaching about the dog man,

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and I'm like Hey, that's exactly what I experienced, and

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it helped me to open it up to my husband,

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and because of his encouraging words, I'm willing to open

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up to the public about it what I encountered as well.

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Speaker 2: Well, like I told you before, I'm so glad you

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are opening up to the public about this encounter. I

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think it is going to help you quite a bit.

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And considering how your encounter happened, well over twenty years ago,

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how long was it before your husband told you what

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it was that you saw that you encountered.

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Speaker 1: Well, I've been with my husband for over eight years,

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and when we were dating, we started listening into like

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crippets like Bigfoot dog Man and UFOs and stuff like that,

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and it kind of I'm like, hey, you know, and

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he kind of agreed on I experienced the dog Man

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as well. So it was kind of nice. It was

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that we were bonding about it because I'm like, hey,

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he did not view me as crazy and he took

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what I experienced as a face factor. And also talking

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to my husband kind of helped me realize on certain

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elements of my what my experience like about that bridge

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and how it kind of is kind of silly that

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I when I thought about the bridge, the importance of

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the bridge when I was a child. But also he

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helped me realize that the dog man did not want

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to hurt me. He was just kind of toying with me,

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just trying to scare me, which he accomplished well understandably.

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Speaker 2: So after it did what it did to you a

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few nights ago at one twenty am or right around

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one twenty am, you sent me a text message because

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you're really in a bad way. What was giving me

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so much trouble?

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Speaker 1: Well, I finally my husband finally opened up. He said,

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I think you need to talk to Vic about why

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he your recountered and to help it get you off

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your chest. And like I said, like I've felt like

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since I was a child. I stuffed the my encounter

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down deep and I did not share this with nobody.

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I didn't even share it with my parents. I didn't

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share it with anybody because of I was afraid of

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being viewed as crazy and also the consequences of I'm

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not supposed to do what I'm supposed to be knowing

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on what I was supposed to do, like sneaking out

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at you know, middle of the night. But since I

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opened up to you, Vic, I started it was like

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that wound being refreshed open and exposing all that trauma.

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And ever since I start having me as of like

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if that counter like it was just like me that

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my mind just kind of replayed it over and over

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in my head, and I again it kind of got

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feared into my fears of feeling like, oh, I'm being

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scared of the dark, kind of like thinking looking at

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the outside in the woods, I was like thinking, I

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will see a pair of yellow eyes again gleaming at me,

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even though I know it's silly. And I just started

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feeling like I'm like that child again, fearing of the Boogeyman,

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which I kind of felt like he actually was existed

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from you know, the dog man. You know you never

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hear about that, but it was like the Boogeyman came

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into real life with me and and I just feel

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like just opening up that just attatched to the old

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wounds that I stuffed down deeply. But it's in a

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good way also because it kind of released the kind

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of scar tissue over that wound and let me heal

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and stuff and kind of figuring out it's like, hey,

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this did happen, and it's not my fault on what

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happened and stuff. So I had that guilty feeling of

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what happened and it kind of released after talking to you,

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that guilt feeling, the heavy feeling of burden released and stuff.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank goodness, it did release. And it really depends

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on how traumatic a dog mean encounter is as to

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how likely the eyewitnesses to experience what you did as

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far as opening the old wound causing all these problems.

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when it comes to trauma, I can totally understand why

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it affected you that way. But yeah, you are. It

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seems to me at least like you're getting better. It's

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going to take time, like I told you before, but

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as long as you remember the things that I shared

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with you, then you will get over this in time

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to the point where you can think back on this

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and it definitely won't be nearly as difficult to deal

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with and think about.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I agree with you on that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just going to take time. If you've had

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a dogman encounter, I would like to speak with me

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about it, whether I'm private or on the show. Please

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go to dogmanencounters dot com and submit a report. All right, Abby,

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please tell us about your encounter. Now give us every

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last detail it comes to mind.

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Speaker 1: Okay, this happened in a suburb of Colorado, and I

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was sixteen years old, and the rumor of the school

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was there were there was a deep demonic creature thing

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that lived in this park. And but the thing with

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the demonic creature cannot go over this bridge. It cannot

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so it could chase you, but it can literally cannot

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cross this bridge. So, as a typical teenager, four and

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four of my friends and I decided to see if

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this actually is a real creature and if the rumor

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was true. So so we decided to sneak out on

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an October day. It just was raining all day, so

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everything was wet, and you know, it was the air

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was crisp, and so all the leaves were on the ground,

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uh wet, kind of like all the colors. And this

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park is kind of kind of we It's not a

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typical park. It's kind of more an open space park,

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which there is some houses. There are like about five

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to seven houses face a park and and in plus,

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this area is more rural, so there's not much houses

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or activity around. And the the east side there's this

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bridge that is a red kind of worn down bridge,

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wooden bridge that crossed this creek and you have to

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go through this bridge to get into this park. And

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this park is kittquartered against the Front Range mountains, So

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the west side of this park is with a mountain

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really wooded area, like kind of like a forest, a

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lot of trees, bushes and once there is no other

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entrances to this park except for this bridge. You have

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to cross this bridge to get into the park, and

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as soon as you go through the bridge, it splits

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onto mini trails. The trails are just kind of really narrow,

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it's just enough for a bike to go through, and

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it's all dirt paths and stuff. So like this happened

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at between one and three in the morning, and Josh

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was in the front, then there's Jesse, then my friend

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only and then I was in the back and we

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were walking through the forest and we were walking like

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about good for a good hour or two, nothing really happening.

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and of course the boys are kind of playing macho teenagers, like, hey,

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you know, there's nothing to be scared of. I can't

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believe you're scary cats, but Jeline and I are just

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kind of was really on edge. And then like a

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good an hour or two of walking, then all of

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a sudden, the forest went silent. Everything went silent. There

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was no cricket chirping, no owls hooting, known force sounds

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at all. Everything just got really eerie quiet. And then

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and I got that sense of feeling that that energy

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of the forest has changed, and I got sense of

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there's something in the forest. There's I don't know what

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it is. It's not good. There's something's not good. It's

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and I started becoming terrified, but I kept on walking

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and following my friend. And then all of a sudden,

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I heard a big thud of like heavy footsteps right

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behind me. And it didn't it sounds like something heavy

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stepping on wet leaves. It wasn't crunchy, but it was

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wet like that kind of hand described that sound. But

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you're just something stomping through these leaves. And then all

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of a sudden, I hear like a deep gurgling growl,

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and I slowly looked over my left shoulder, and what

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I encountered was a huge twelve foot beast. How to

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describe it was he looked like a cross between a

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van Helsing wear wolf and a Bad Moon wear wolf.

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Like the van Helsing is like this gut creature was ripped.

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He had the girth, really white shoulders like a bodybuilder.

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He had a built the front hit he was you

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could see all his muscles ripping out, and his arms

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were at least like good twenty seven inches or thicker,

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and you could just see all the muscles and stuff.

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But he had also the parents of shagginess like the

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werewolf on Bad Moon. And I saw that gleam of

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the yellow amber in his eyes just kind of glowing.

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His eyes were just glowing. And then all of a sudden,

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I saw his hands were raccoon hands. Looked exactly like

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raccoon hands. Then his finger tip fingernails were like about

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good five to seven inches long, and it reminds me

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of it had a little curve at the tip. It

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kind of reminds me of the manicure ladies getting the

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fake acrylic nails on before they get cut. Off to

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the right length of the nails, so like had that

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curve and waw nails of like a manicure, fake nails

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and this then I saw that, and he was kind

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of foaming in his mouth a little bit like kind

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of drool, kind of like some drool coming out. And

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he had that awful smell of kind of like a

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mix between wet dog and death like became flesh, and

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he had that kind of mixture of those two cents.

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And I would and this dog man was like about

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a good six inches to a foot away from me.

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Just I felt like he was kind of hovering over

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me almost, that's how close he was. And I was

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so terrified. I could not even move. I couldn't even

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scream or anything. I couldnt make out a sound. I

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just literally was just frozen. Now I don't know how

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I managed, but I started moving in my hands and

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started pawing at one of my friends, Jonathan, and I

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kept on pawing at him, and he kind of turned

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middle of him, turning around. He's like, he's like, what

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is your problem? Why are you being so scary? Captain?

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All sudden the mid sentence, he looked and he dropped

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the flashlight, and then all of us turned around and

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everybody froze, and everybody was terrified, except Josh, the leader.

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He's like, oh, come on, it's just a just a

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person in a costume and you start mocking. Then. I

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don't know how to describe it, but this whole scene

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seemed like it was in slow motion. And as soon

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as I then I heard someone say, run, run for

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the bridge, and I don't know, it was like something

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just took off on me like a lightning bolt. And

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everybody except Josh started running for this bridge because the

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rumor was the beast cannot cross the bridge. So we

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thought the bridge is more for safety, and we are

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running and running and stuff, and I was the last one.

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I was never a fast runner. But I don't know

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how to explain it, but it seemed like we went

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in a time warp and it seemed like, uh that

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one hour of us walking, it turned into like the

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bridge was only half a mile away, and so we

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so all my friends crossed this bridge, and when we

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were running, the dog man was chasing us. He was

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just doing zig zags and stuff. Kind of really he

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was really right on my heels at this time, but

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he was just doing from one zig zag to another zigzac,

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just chasing us. And he was how he ran was different.

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It wasn't like a typical dog or wolf running. It

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was more like supernatural that he is. More like I'm

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kind of gliding, but he was not gliding. It was

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kind of It was really full of all amazement on

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how he was so graceful and athletic, how he was moving.

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But at the same time he was like right at

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my heels. And as soon as I went to the bridge,

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I tripped over the little corner of the bridge and

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I face planted myself right on the bridge, and my

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friends were cheering, It's like, come on, come on, hurry up,

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hurry up. And at that time, at the same time

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my friends and were pulling me over this bridge, and

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at that same time, that dog man was ripping. He

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he was his claws were ripping into my pants and

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my shoes and my socks. His scratches were not like

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a normal scratch. The best way to describe his scratches

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are like there's something supernatural like and how a ghost

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or the enanity scratches you that little burn. And his

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scratches are so sharp and precise that it's like razor blades.

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It's like something like so sharp that there's my shoes

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and my pants and socks were nothing to him that

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It's like him doing like cutting through a hot knife

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through butter. That's how smooth these scratches were. And these

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scratches were they kind of were like kind of red

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and throbbing but kind of burning at the same time,

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and it kind of lifted up in my shoes and

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my pants. My edge of my pants and my socks

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were covered in blood, and they were just kind of

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more like scratches, kind of like an enerity scratching you.

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And but it was so sharp that it's nothing, nothing

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compared to it. It looked like you put my shoes

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through the shred or that's how fast. And this happened,

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and it happened within a like probably in one second

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or less, and then all of a sudden, Josh made

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it like cod of like a mocky noise. I don't

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know how he made it, but it's like center like

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a hooting, laughing kind of hysterical laughing noise. And then

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all of a sudden, when he made that noise, the

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dog man stopped what he was doing, perked up his

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ears and looked at that direction. Then in a flash,

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he was gone. I mean like just like not even

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a couple of seconds. He just like boom like kind

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of like, uh, reminded me of like a Superman hero

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kind of how he was gone so fast. Then in

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two seconds later or a couple seconds later, I started

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hearing Josh screaming like something that's being attacking to him.

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It's not a scream of fear like actually, it sounded

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like something's tearing into him, like an animal was attacking him.

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And immediately my friends and I started running to these

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houses that face the park, and we're being on the

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doors one by one and screaming and tolering and crying,

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trying to get people's intention. And of course it's like

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about two or three in the morning, where nobody's answering

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the door or anything, and we're just pounding and pounding,

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and we got to the second to the last house

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and this one middle aged man finally answered the door,

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and I don't know, we were all trying to talk

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at once and shouting and trying, and I think we

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just didn't make much sense. It just came out gibberish

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because he just kind of looked at us weird, and

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then I don't know if he thought it's a prank

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or if when he heard that we described immediately he

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called the cops and then he shut the door in

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our face, turned off the porch lights, shut the blinds,

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and then a few minutes later the police officers. It

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was a man and a woman that came in, came in.

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They had a notebook and like, we'll notebook to take

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notes and stuff, and we were talking to him. As

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soon as we described what we heard encountered, they closed

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that notebook up up, put the pin back in their pockets,

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the friend pocket of their shirt, and then they radioed

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something like a code to them. Then when you were like, uh, talking,

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they just kind of smiled and noded and did not

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say much anything else, just like uh huh uh huh.

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I remember as a child, I was so frustrated on

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why were not they were not taking me seriously. I'm like, well,

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our friend just got attacked us in that force go go,

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and they just couldn't stood there and just smiling nodded,

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And I was so frustrated because I don't know why

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they were not going into the park and trying to

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help our friend, and they seemed like they were not

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really taking us seriously. Thin then it seemed like a

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few minutes later two cars drove came approaching. One was

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they were all black and they had the windows who

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were so black you cannot see in it. It was

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a suburban and a black tahoe. And these guys came

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out of these vehicles and I could tell that they

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worked for the government, something high official government, and they

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were dressed in suits and they reminded me of the

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Blues Brothers on how they were dressed. And the one

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officer is really tall and kind of lanky, and the

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other officer was like about five seven, two hundred and

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eighty pounds, so he was kind of heavier set, and

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the tall and linking one all through this change he

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came more like was kind of outside and listening and observing.

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But at the but the short one, the stockier one,

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is more in your face, and he was in take

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getting into our face, basically asking questions like what do

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you want to know, like we want to know what

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we know. He was very precise what he was asking,

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and we were telling him what we are seeing. And

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at this these men were not welcoming at all. They

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were very kind of in your face, very timidating, and

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basically the lenky one said, he said they removed my

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He said, you better not say anything, or there's base uh,

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or there's going to be consequences. He did not say

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that directly like that, but he implied it. And they

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removed my shoes, my socks, they cut off my pants

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where the scratches torn up pieces are, and he basically

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made it clear, was saying, I was at Jeline's house

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and I was irresponsible, and I've lost my shoes in

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my socks. And they were very clear that we better

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not keep our mouths shut and not open to what

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we saw to anybody else or anything, or there's going

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to be consequences. And so then they watched us leave,

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but they did not go right search of the park

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or what right away. They just kind of looking at us,

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making sure that we were actually leaving the park before

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they did anything. And afterwards, the aftermath was kind of strange.

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Everything happened so fast that Jesse, Josh and Jonathan and

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Joline and I did not have a chance to talk

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about what we encountered. We just kind of it was

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everything just fell apart Jouine, her parents all of a

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sudden moved Jeline and her parents moved away, like just

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middle of the night. They stopped what they're doing and

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they moved away. And Jonathan went into military school, and

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Jesse basically I don't know if this is true, but

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he quote unquote ran away across the state to meet

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this other girl that he liked. So everybody left and

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I was the only one. And and what happened Nobody

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what happened with Josh. Nobody heard anything from Josh, like

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you he It was just like everybody, you disappeared from

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the face of the planet. The only thing I heard

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that they found a bloody shirt that's ripped up in

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the top of a tree and the and I don't

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know what happened with Josh, And nobody opened up about him.

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It was a very like everybody was tight mouth closed,

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like he did not exist at all. And so I

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just kept quiet because I did not want anything to

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happen to me or anything like those men men in

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black scared the pants out of me. I did not,

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Like I was afraid that I was going to be

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going to talentale on me and say, hey, you know,

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I'm not supposed to be out, so I was afraid

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being in trouble with my parents and everybody and stuff.

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So I just kept quiet all these years. And I

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did not know what a dog man was actually. When

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you hear were wolves are dog man, I thought, Uh,

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it was more of the people with a over hairy parents,

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you know, with a lot of hair. So I did

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not believe in them at all. And then then when

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I went I think, I met my husband, and then

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I heard the term dog man and other people describe

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and I'm like, yes, that's what I experienced. And the

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two major things about this dog man I remember I

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cannot get out of my head is those eyes and

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those hands. I don't know what it is, but those

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eyes in his hands are really ingrained into me. And

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so ever since, I had a fear of being in

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the dark by myself, because I'm kind of waiting for

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to see those yellow eyes peering over the corner and

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chasing me again. And even though at the time when

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I was a kid, I thought that me crossing over

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the bridge was something that saved me from the dog man,

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but now as an adult, I think that's ridiculous. There's

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nothing about this magical about this bridge, and also I

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realized that the dog man was just teasing me, kind

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of toying with me, kind of like a cat in

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the mouth, like he was just kind of wanting to

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play and kind of scared me, scared me and my friends,

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which he accomplished. And I know if he wanted to

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just attack me, really attack me or my friends, he

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would have done it with no problem at all. And

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I think his attent was just to scare us, and

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I think Josh kind of overstepped the boundaries of taunting him,

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and I think that's why he got attacked or quote

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unquote disappear.

480
00:39:05,079 --> 00:39:08,119
Speaker 2: I think you've summed it up nicely. Yep. I'm pretty

481
00:39:08,159 --> 00:39:10,840
sure that's what was behind it. I hate the fact

482
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,320
that happened to Josh, but like we talked about in

483
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:18,360
our conversations, unfortunately he acts very foolish, and speaking of

484
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,719
how he acted, there's something about all that that I

485
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,199
just don't understand. If it was a twelve foot tall

486
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,239
dog man, how could he have thought that it was

487
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,119
a man in a costume Because a six foot tall man,

488
00:39:30,199 --> 00:39:33,159
a seven foot tall man does not fit into a

489
00:39:33,199 --> 00:39:36,679
twelve foot tall costume exactly.

490
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:42,039
Speaker 1: I have no idea, and also like there cannot be

491
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:49,519
like a costume with the muscles ripping out. I have

492
00:39:49,679 --> 00:39:52,719
no idea why he thought it was somebody in the

493
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,760
costume trying to scare us. I don't have no idea

494
00:39:56,519 --> 00:39:57,679
what he was thinking.

495
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 2: Well, some people are so those skeptical that they'll just grab

496
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,760
onto any idea, any theory to explain away what's right

497
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,320
in front of him, And it sounds to me like

498
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,880
that's what Josh was doing. He just wouldn't accept what

499
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,119
was right in front of him, and unfortunately he paid

500
00:40:14,119 --> 00:40:18,159
the ultimate price. That's all there is to it. It

501
00:40:18,199 --> 00:40:20,639
seems to me like you've had as much trouble dealing

502
00:40:20,679 --> 00:40:24,119
with your encounter because you, unfortunately have blamed yourself over

503
00:40:24,159 --> 00:40:27,800
the years for what happened to him. I'd say almost

504
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,360
as much as the trauma of the actual encounter itself.

505
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,639
Which side of this has given you more trouble the

506
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,800
blame or the trauma from the encounter itself.

507
00:40:40,159 --> 00:40:44,760
Speaker 1: I think I kind of got the blame for the

508
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:49,480
encounter is kind of dual sighted because I blame myself

509
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:55,920
on like what happened, because I associated myself with the attack,

510
00:40:56,159 --> 00:41:01,840
but also I blamed myself because I know what truly

511
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:06,039
what happened to Josh, and I kind of kept my

512
00:41:06,159 --> 00:41:10,119
mouth shut and I could not get anybody to I

513
00:41:10,159 --> 00:41:12,519
kind of feel like I kind of kept that hidden

514
00:41:12,639 --> 00:41:17,400
from what really happened to him, where his death was,

515
00:41:18,679 --> 00:41:23,159
and also the trauma as well with the beast. And

516
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:27,920
because it's like all through your life everybody says, oh,

517
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:34,679
the Boogeyman does not exist, but it does exist, so

518
00:41:35,039 --> 00:41:39,159
that that kind of that realization of the Boogeyman does exist,

519
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:47,280
and plus knowing how someone died or disappeared, the true

520
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:51,880
story and your curient is kind of both of the

521
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:53,880
guilt and the trauma behind it.

522
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 2: You're right, Yeah, you saw it with your own two eyes.

523
00:41:58,039 --> 00:42:01,639
The Boogeyman does exist. That's a fact. I'm so sorry

524
00:42:01,679 --> 00:42:04,280
you had to go through all of this, Holy cal

525
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,519
That's horrible, it really is. And like we talked about

526
00:42:07,559 --> 00:42:10,920
in our second conversation there, you had no control over

527
00:42:11,039 --> 00:42:15,840
Josh's actions. He acted really foolishly, but that's on him.

528
00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:18,679
You couldn't have stopped him from acting that way. If

529
00:42:18,679 --> 00:42:21,000
you would have tried to stop him from acting that way,

530
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,239
he probably would have doubled down and acted out even

531
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:28,199
more than what he was already acting like So, please

532
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,320
don't blame yourself for that. You're put in a very

533
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,199
difficult situation. You handled the best way you knew how.

534
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,559
I think you deserve a lot of credit for how

535
00:42:36,599 --> 00:42:39,800
well you handled it. That was just a tough situation.

536
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for those kind words. And it

537
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:50,599
was a difficult situation, and I think that's one of

538
00:42:50,599 --> 00:42:54,679
the reasons why I decided to listen to my husband

539
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:59,679
and telling people actually what happened, so knowing that his

540
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:04,239
is not just a disappearance or anything. Yes, and he

541
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:10,360
did act foolishly, but but it's just that I had

542
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:16,000
to deal with that guilt and that trauma as well well.

543
00:43:16,039 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 2: Like I said too, I mean, if the agency that

544
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,760
you're dealing with, I'll just keep it like that didn't

545
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,159
want that cat let out of the bag. There is

546
00:43:25,199 --> 00:43:27,400
nothing you could do to get that cat released out

547
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,159
of that bag. So we're back to you just doing

548
00:43:30,199 --> 00:43:32,840
the best you can to dealing with that experience. And

549
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,119
the best you can do is the best you can do.

550
00:43:35,679 --> 00:43:38,440
You're not to blame for any of this, you really aren't.

551
00:43:38,559 --> 00:43:41,599
And it's going to take time. But like I told

552
00:43:41,599 --> 00:43:44,079
you in that second conversation. I just hope this really

553
00:43:44,079 --> 00:43:48,079
sinks in into your subconscious so you actually can move

554
00:43:48,119 --> 00:43:51,639
forward and you do stop blaming yourself because that's not

555
00:43:51,679 --> 00:43:52,800
going to do any good for you.

556
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: Yes. And also, like one of the trump whys those

557
00:43:59,599 --> 00:44:04,840
truma is because even how my other friends left and

558
00:44:05,079 --> 00:44:10,960
we got relocated or or whatever, they I just don't

559
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,039
A quick big question in my mind was did they

560
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:19,079
open their mouth and tell people? And then that's why

561
00:44:19,679 --> 00:44:24,679
that agency removed them, so, you know, to keep it

562
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,639
hidden like a big cover up. And that's one of

563
00:44:27,679 --> 00:44:30,559
the reasons why I was so afraid to open up

564
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:35,159
at first on what really happened with me, because I

565
00:44:35,199 --> 00:44:39,559
don't want to put my family in danger. But after

566
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,840
discussing him with you, I kind of feel more at

567
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,280
peace about the whole situation.

568
00:44:46,559 --> 00:44:49,559
Speaker 2: Well, that's great, I'm glad you do. Yeah. Like I

569
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:53,440
told you years ago, especially back around when this happened,

570
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,440
it seemed like the men in black were they were

571
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,280
ready to do anything to keep all of this under wraps.

572
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,760
But time has gone by, they've allowed people to come

573
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:07,840
forward and have YouTube channels and other podcasts to focus

574
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,920
on this whole phenomenon. If they had a problem with

575
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,119
these encounters being shared like we're doing right now. Then

576
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,280
I would have never been allowed to do this and

577
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:21,280
have hundreds and hundreds of guests come on week after

578
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,920
week and share their dog meaning encounters. And if I'm wrong,

579
00:45:25,199 --> 00:45:27,760
please someone in the Men in Black let me know.

580
00:45:28,599 --> 00:45:32,280
But yeah, I mean, it definitely seems to be that way.

581
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,320
And people who do what I do, they've been contacted

582
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:36,920
by the Men in Black, or if not the Men

583
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,840
in Black, then government operatives who monitor this sort of thing.

584
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:45,199
And when they've tried to come forward with evidence like photos,

585
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:49,159
videos that were too good, they've been worn. Okay, don't

586
00:45:49,199 --> 00:45:52,320
do that. You're crossing the line. But if you want

587
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,480
to talk about this until you're blue in the face,

588
00:45:54,559 --> 00:45:57,639
go ahead and talk about it, that's fine, but don't

589
00:45:57,679 --> 00:46:00,000
cross that line as far as coming forward with evident

590
00:46:00,639 --> 00:46:02,440
So yeah, it just seems to me like as long

591
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,320
as you don't focus on trying to prove their existence,

592
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,559
then the government doesn't have any problem with you. It

593
00:46:08,599 --> 00:46:12,719
wasn't that way years ago. Again, just for clarity, but

594
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,840
now it seems like they don't care at all if

595
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,679
you talk about this ad nauseum.

596
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: I totally agree with you, and I'm so thankful for

597
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,199
like channels like Yulia and the other YouTube videos that

598
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,960
people are coming out and talking about this. It makes

599
00:46:32,039 --> 00:46:35,800
me less feel like I'm less crazy because I am

600
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:39,880
was afraid to open up because I don't what happened

601
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,360
to me. It was like so observed and crazy and

602
00:46:43,519 --> 00:46:46,400
out there that I was afraid to being locked up

603
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,760
in a mental asylum. Yeah.

604
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 2: I can understand why you had those concerns, but it's

605
00:46:52,559 --> 00:46:56,440
normal when you're a dogman eyewitness, especially an experiencer of

606
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,639
a very traumatic encounter the way you are, to have

607
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:04,599
those concerns. But everything's okay. Everything has worked out just fine.

608
00:47:04,639 --> 00:47:08,480
Maybe not for Josh unfortunately, but with regards to you,

609
00:47:08,519 --> 00:47:10,800
because we have no control over what happened to him,

610
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,960
but we can focus on what you're doing, what you're

611
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:18,320
dealing with, and everything you're doing fine. I understand you're

612
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,400
still trying to work your way through all this and

613
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,239
it is going to take time. You didn't contact me

614
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:27,039
until just recently, so the healing hasn't even started until

615
00:47:27,159 --> 00:47:30,880
just recently. But it sounds like you are putting the

616
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:35,000
pieces together and you are getting better. So as long

617
00:47:35,039 --> 00:47:37,519
as we can say that, then that's definitely a good thing.

618
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:42,119
It really is. I'm wondering, though, Abby, when you get

619
00:47:42,159 --> 00:47:45,440
into bed at night now, not back then, but when

620
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:49,360
you crawl into bed now, you lay down, you get settled,

621
00:47:50,079 --> 00:47:53,119
what goes through your mind? Do you go there every

622
00:47:53,199 --> 00:47:56,320
night after you get into bed and get settled, or

623
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:58,840
some nights do you not even think about it?

624
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:06,079
Speaker 1: Actually, I'm after the encounter, and even to this day,

625
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:13,440
I start having really frequent nighttares and nightmares, And even

626
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:19,239
right now I still have nightmares and stuff. But I

627
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:23,480
feel like after the second conversation it's not as intense.

628
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:29,519
But it seems like ever since I had that encounter,

629
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:39,159
I experienced really bad nighttaares and nightmares following that. Sorry, yeah,

630
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:45,159
like my like when I was a child. After it

631
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:50,880
was so bad that I don't remember how I did it.

632
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,400
I don't know what I did or whatever. All I

633
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,800
remembered was I was woke up and I was pulling

634
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:02,360
the stuffings out of my match and I was had

635
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:07,760
that flight or fight mode on, and I was just terrified,

636
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,920
and I'm like, how did I open my mattress up

637
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:16,719
and pulling that stuffings out? And I think, like you said,

638
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:21,639
the healing is starting to heal and starting to begin,

639
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:27,320
and I just need and I think that would nightmares

640
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:34,000
will go away eventually when I'm starting to heal well.

641
00:49:34,039 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 2: As far as the nightmares go, it sounds to me

642
00:49:36,199 --> 00:49:39,000
like that might be your biggest issue right now, not

643
00:49:39,159 --> 00:49:41,960
when you're in your waking hours, but when you're actually

644
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:43,639
go to sleep. Is that accurate?

645
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,599
Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, when I go sleep, it is my nightmares.

646
00:49:48,639 --> 00:49:54,960
It's more of my biggest issue. My husband does believe

647
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,480
in dog Man. He never experienced anything like dog Man

648
00:49:58,599 --> 00:50:01,960
or anything like that, but he does. He's a big believer,

649
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:07,320
and when we go in the mountains, he is more

650
00:50:07,679 --> 00:50:14,239
terrified of docmen counting me than I am when I'm hiking.

651
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:18,239
And I just think it's kind of silly because you

652
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,559
think I will be more terrified of a creature coming

653
00:50:21,599 --> 00:50:26,440
out of me when I'm hiking during daylight time, but

654
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:31,800
it's kind of quite the opposite. I get more of

655
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,599
the traumatized at night when I go to sleep.

656
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,519
Speaker 2: Well, I think I know how to handle the nightmares

657
00:50:38,519 --> 00:50:41,000
and night tiers that you've been dealing with. I'm going

658
00:50:41,039 --> 00:50:43,760
to put you into contact with someone who specializes in

659
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:48,280
teaching people how to do what's called lucid dreaming. Lucid

660
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:51,360
dreaming is basically the art of being able to take

661
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:55,079
control of your dreams when you go to sleep. When

662
00:50:55,159 --> 00:50:57,760
you dream, the part of your brain that controls your

663
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:02,119
ability to rationalize and reason and it switches off. So

664
00:51:02,199 --> 00:51:04,639
that's why you every wonder why you wake up from

665
00:51:04,679 --> 00:51:07,119
a dream, some crazy dream and you say, wow, that

666
00:51:07,159 --> 00:51:10,119
didn't make sense at all. What was going on with

667
00:51:10,159 --> 00:51:12,800
all that? Well, that's because that part of your brain

668
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:17,519
that handles your ability to rationalize to reason has switched off.

669
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:22,840
Because of that, that's why you experience so many crazy

670
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:26,880
things when you dream or have nightmares. But if you

671
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,639
learn how to do what's called lucid dreaming, you can,

672
00:51:31,159 --> 00:51:36,320
through various techniques, realize, Okay, I'm having a nightmare. I'm

673
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,280
going to take control this nightmare. And with these lucid

674
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:43,280
dreaming techniques, you can take control of what's going on

675
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:47,119
in your nightmare. And you can give yourself superabilities. You

676
00:51:47,159 --> 00:51:50,880
can be as strong as Supergirl, where you could fly,

677
00:51:51,159 --> 00:51:53,599
you can do all sorts of things, turn your hands

678
00:51:53,639 --> 00:51:57,119
into weapons, you can do anything, make a dog man

679
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:00,960
tiny as a mouse. So by doing that, by taking

680
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,320
control of your nightmare or night tier, depending on which

681
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,320
one it is that you have at the time. When

682
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,360
you take control like that, all of a sudden, it's

683
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:13,239
not a problem anymore. So having said all that, like

684
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,079
I said, I am going to put you into contact

685
00:52:15,119 --> 00:52:17,000
with someone who should be able to teach you how

686
00:52:17,039 --> 00:52:19,199
to do that. I really hope that's going to nip

687
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:20,320
that issue in the butt.

688
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:22,679
Speaker 1: I really appreciate that.

689
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:27,519
Speaker 2: Oh, you're welcome, glad to do it. If it was

690
00:52:27,559 --> 00:52:31,119
twelve feet tall, that's almost as tall as a freeway overpass.

691
00:52:31,639 --> 00:52:34,280
If it was that tall but only about a foot

692
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:37,360
behind you or less, was it looming over you?

693
00:52:38,679 --> 00:52:42,039
Speaker 1: It felt like it was towering over me. It felt

694
00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:46,559
exactly like it was towering over me. Like he was

695
00:52:46,599 --> 00:52:50,159
so close that I could just lift up my arm

696
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:56,280
in touch him if I wanted then to, and to

697
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:59,360
being really think mean thinking about it, I think he

698
00:52:59,639 --> 00:53:02,119
was leaning over me a little bit, but it was

699
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:06,239
just kind of he was so close that I could

700
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,239
actually feel his hot breath on me.

701
00:53:10,079 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 2: Oh that's not good at all. You saw its teeth

702
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,199
glinting in the moonlight. How big were they?

703
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 1: They were like about kind of like that he had

704
00:53:22,039 --> 00:53:26,559
like kind of cane nine teeth kind of like how

705
00:53:26,559 --> 00:53:33,159
a dog it like a wolf's teeth, like the I

706
00:53:33,199 --> 00:53:37,599
feel like his caneines were like about I don't really

707
00:53:37,639 --> 00:53:41,320
remember that specifically how big they were, but I just

708
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:45,039
remember they kind of reminded me of like a wolf's teeth.

709
00:53:46,039 --> 00:53:48,440
But they were pretty large.

710
00:53:48,679 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure they were. You said they were pretty large.

711
00:53:52,519 --> 00:53:54,079
Did it look like they were too big for it

712
00:53:54,119 --> 00:53:55,960
to be able to comfortably close it smell?

713
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 1: No, he was kind of like pushing him out a

714
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:06,360
little bit, so it's kind of hard for me to judge.

715
00:54:07,599 --> 00:54:13,800
But everything of him was like really massive and proportionate.

716
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:19,400
His like his even his legs are kind of like

717
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:23,239
like kind of a dog legs and how they go

718
00:54:23,519 --> 00:54:30,760
on in his hands were massive, and his feet were

719
00:54:31,119 --> 00:54:34,639
like his feet were really big. It was like at

720
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:39,920
least two of my feet together. That's how big massive.

721
00:54:40,639 --> 00:54:43,719
Everything hit with him is just massive.

722
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 2: Would you describe it as having dog like footpads or

723
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:50,840
were its pads more human.

724
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:57,679
Speaker 1: Like dog like? He his pads were more like dog like. Yeah,

725
00:54:57,719 --> 00:54:59,920
it kind of reminds me of like a like a

726
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,880
like a big wolf, like a dire wolf, or like

727
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:08,280
his hind legs in his pads were more like a

728
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:09,519
dire wolf's.

729
00:55:10,199 --> 00:55:13,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I would expect. And a twelve foot

730
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,920
tall dog man. Yeah, their footpads can be bigger than

731
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:19,679
a dinner plate. They can be huge again, especially with

732
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:24,320
it being twelve feet tall, such a huge specimen. Wow, Abby,

733
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,159
I can only imagine it must have been like for

734
00:55:26,199 --> 00:55:28,159
you to go through all that. No one should have

735
00:55:28,199 --> 00:55:31,280
to deal with anything like that. That is just too intense.

736
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:34,800
Now you describe the dog man as gliding as it

737
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,960
was running behind you. Could he hear his footfalls?

738
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:43,639
Speaker 1: No, you cannot. You cannot hear his footballs at all.

739
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:48,199
It was just quiet. It's really iry quiet, like there

740
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:52,039
was no wrestling of the leaves or anything. It was

741
00:55:52,199 --> 00:55:55,800
just so quiet while he was chasing us. And he

742
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,840
did sound like he was panting, but not really panting.

743
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:02,719
It sounded like that heavy breathing like that dog like

744
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:06,199
he was being going to attack kind of sound. But

745
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:10,360
how he was doing it like chasing us, it was

746
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,360
more like it was effortless, like it was just like

747
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:17,760
he was so athletic that he's this is just nothing

748
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:23,000
compared to what he has ability is and when what

749
00:56:23,119 --> 00:56:29,360
I experienced with him is he's not It's like he's

750
00:56:29,559 --> 00:56:33,880
not an entity, like, he's not a ghost or spirit.

751
00:56:34,199 --> 00:56:39,000
He's not he's not a demon, he's not an angel

752
00:56:39,519 --> 00:56:43,639
or anything like that. But he is not an animal

753
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:47,719
as well. He's more he's kind of like between and

754
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:53,719
what I heard someone mentioned, and I totally agree that.

755
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:57,119
I do think he's kind of has a He's part

756
00:56:57,159 --> 00:57:02,360
of the nephilin where the giants or back in the

757
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:07,880
day Biblical eight day, and that's the best way I

758
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:12,760
could describe him. It's kind of like he is like hybrid.

759
00:57:13,599 --> 00:57:18,639
He there is something hybrid about him. He's not an animal,

760
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:23,320
but he's not an entente, but he is supernatural in

761
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:25,400
a way, if that makes sense.

762
00:57:26,559 --> 00:57:30,079
Speaker 2: No, that does make sense. And as more and more

763
00:57:30,119 --> 00:57:32,840
time has gone by, I'm more and more convinced that

764
00:57:33,079 --> 00:57:36,920
sasquatch dog men just might be nephelon, so he might

765
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:41,519
be onto something there. You described him as having long nails,

766
00:57:41,559 --> 00:57:46,400
not claws, whereas nails flattened profile or where they're around.

767
00:57:47,559 --> 00:57:51,119
Speaker 1: They were they were kind of flatten it kind of

768
00:57:51,199 --> 00:57:56,639
it reminds me of exactly like how a lady had

769
00:57:56,679 --> 00:58:02,320
a manicurist, like kind of those fake acrylic nails they

770
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:06,599
glue on your knae on your fingers and right before

771
00:58:06,639 --> 00:58:09,679
they cut them or nate, but design them and nail

772
00:58:09,719 --> 00:58:14,239
that file them. It kind of reminds me like that I.

773
00:58:14,119 --> 00:58:17,239
Speaker 2: Heard you mentioned that that they look like that, kind

774
00:58:17,239 --> 00:58:20,079
of like a lady who had long press on nails.

775
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,840
But I just wanted to ask you again for clarity,

776
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:27,440
because there's a reason why animals that use their claws

777
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:31,519
for making a living, there's a reason why their claws

778
00:58:31,559 --> 00:58:35,440
are round in profile and not flat like that. If

779
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,840
claws are flat like that, like a press on nail,

780
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:42,440
they've got no strength. If you swat at something, there's

781
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:46,119
really no strength there to keep those nails from bending

782
00:58:46,159 --> 00:58:49,800
backwards and snapping. But if they have a round profile,

783
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:53,639
especially if they're curved and round like a grizzly bear

784
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:57,039
has for claws, then there's strength there, a lot of strength.

785
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:01,480
All claws are bone anchored, so that gives strength at

786
00:59:01,519 --> 00:59:03,840
the root. But I just wanted to check with you

787
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:05,480
just for clarity, just to make sure.

788
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:09,599
Speaker 1: It's kind of like those that kind of like a

789
00:59:09,599 --> 00:59:13,719
bare claw kind of you, but it's like kind of

790
00:59:13,719 --> 00:59:17,079
curves around, you know, at the tip and lawn and stuff,

791
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:21,440
so it's like rounded like at the edge, but at

792
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:24,440
the tip at the base and it kind of goes

793
00:59:24,599 --> 00:59:28,960
out out a little bit, so it is like it's

794
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,880
not just flat like nails, but it's kind of kind

795
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,280
of reminded me of like a bear's claws at the

796
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:38,440
base and kind of goes out. Does that make sense?

797
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 2: I think I'm following you. Yeah, that's the case, and

798
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:45,840
that would give them extra strength, so that would make sense.

799
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:51,320
Let's talk about those scratches that gave you. How long

800
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:52,360
did they take to heal?

801
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 1: Like about like about three days three days to a

802
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:03,679
week to heat. And it's not like a typical scratch.

803
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:09,320
It's more like kind of like supernat if like an

804
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:14,320
enity that scratches you kind of the sharp it goes

805
01:00:14,559 --> 01:00:17,039
kind of flares up a little bit, kind of swollen

806
01:00:17,079 --> 01:00:21,599
a little bit. So it's not like a normal scratch

807
01:00:21,719 --> 01:00:25,559
like from a like on a nail or anything like that.

808
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:30,840
It's more like more of that supernatural scratches that's kind

809
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:36,559
of really red and puffy, and it had that burning

810
01:00:36,639 --> 01:00:39,400
sensation for like about three days.

811
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 2: Well that's horrible, it really is. How deep were those scratches?

812
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't think they were really that deep. It

813
01:00:49,039 --> 01:00:53,199
was more like superficial and more than anything else. There

814
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:56,400
was some blood, but it was that kind of a

815
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:59,360
couple drops of blood, you know, kind of like enough

816
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:03,159
just to just a tiny bit, but it was not

817
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:06,559
really deep deep. It was more of the superficial.

818
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 2: Oh thank goodness, they weren't that deep. Then, did anything

819
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:14,119
that you put on the scratches help easier discomfort? And

820
01:01:14,159 --> 01:01:15,360
what did you put on them?

821
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:21,639
Speaker 1: I just put mis boring on and just kind of

822
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:26,599
put like a cold compress on it. I didn't really

823
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:31,639
it didn't need much attention to it, because, like I said,

824
01:01:31,639 --> 01:01:35,400
it's just more of the superficial. I just kind of

825
01:01:35,599 --> 01:01:39,960
cleaned it up with more or less the wet rag

826
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:44,199
And plus I didn't want to draw attention to my

827
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:49,000
scratches with my parents or you anybody else. But it

828
01:01:49,079 --> 01:01:53,679
was the best way to describe the scratches is like

829
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:59,599
an INTI just really came in attacked you. So there

830
01:01:59,679 --> 01:02:03,199
was a little bit of blood, but not really. It's

831
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:06,400
kind of more it was more red and puffy, but

832
01:02:06,639 --> 01:02:09,039
there was some blood, but it was just kind of

833
01:02:09,039 --> 01:02:11,360
a couple of drops, if that makes sense.

834
01:02:12,559 --> 01:02:16,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, that does make sense. You really went through it

835
01:02:16,199 --> 01:02:20,800
that night, You really did what color was that dog man.

836
01:02:22,599 --> 01:02:26,559
Speaker 1: He was jet black. He was all jet black, but

837
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:30,880
he had like on his back, he had some dark

838
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,760
brown mixed with it, kind of like it looked like

839
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:36,159
a little bit of a brindle, a little bit on

840
01:02:36,239 --> 01:02:41,920
his back, but it was more like just pure black

841
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:46,360
except for a few spots of brindle, kind of brownish

842
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:49,599
pattern on his back.

843
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 2: Well, that's a unique pattern. How long was his fur?

844
01:02:55,639 --> 01:02:59,079
Speaker 1: It was like about a couple of inches lawn. It

845
01:02:59,159 --> 01:03:02,480
was more really, he was kind of shaggy, kind of

846
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:06,360
he wasn't really hairy. But the best way to describe

847
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:11,000
his fur is what where wolf and bath Moon? That's

848
01:03:11,079 --> 01:03:15,119
exactly like how his face in his fur looked.

849
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 2: Well, that's a good description. That does paint a picture.

850
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:21,079
Did you ever see a tail?

851
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 1: I don't, honestly, I don't remember. I can't remember that.

852
01:03:28,639 --> 01:03:31,760
To be honest, I don't want to say yes or no,

853
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:36,159
because I really don't remember if I did see a

854
01:03:36,199 --> 01:03:36,800
tail or not.

855
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 2: Oh that's all right. Now. You noticed a lot of things,

856
01:03:41,079 --> 01:03:44,079
a lot of interesting details. I think you should be

857
01:03:44,119 --> 01:03:48,760
commended when you finally crossed the bridge and rejoined your friends.

858
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:51,719
How far behind you would you say, Josh was at

859
01:03:51,719 --> 01:03:53,280
that point.

860
01:03:54,159 --> 01:03:59,039
Speaker 1: He was like about good luck, half a mile to mile.

861
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:02,599
It was more was like there was just like in

862
01:04:02,639 --> 01:04:05,119
the forest, kind of like you could see the top

863
01:04:05,159 --> 01:04:09,079
of the trees, and it seemed like he was in

864
01:04:08,119 --> 01:04:13,400
the thick of the trees. So he was like where

865
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:17,440
the starting point was. I don't think he even moved

866
01:04:17,679 --> 01:04:19,280
from the starting point.

867
01:04:20,039 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 2: He was way back. Yeah, when you were talking about

868
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:24,199
how this all played out, I heard you say that

869
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:27,559
it was about half a mile from where you started

870
01:04:27,639 --> 01:04:30,599
running to where you ran over the bridge. But I

871
01:04:30,639 --> 01:04:33,760
wasn't sure if Josh for some time followed you or

872
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:36,280
if you just stayed put. So that's why I wanted

873
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:40,360
to ask you about that. But are there any other

874
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:43,000
physical features of that dog man that you can recall

875
01:04:43,079 --> 01:04:45,360
that you could share with this, Like how tall were

876
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:46,199
its ears?

877
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:52,119
Speaker 1: Yeah? His ears were like sharp and pointy, and his

878
01:04:52,239 --> 01:04:56,239
ears were like about like about a good inch long

879
01:04:56,480 --> 01:05:00,119
and stuff, And wasn't he kind of had the his

880
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:07,519
ears of the the like the fan heal scene ears

881
01:05:08,039 --> 01:05:11,559
kind of sharpened pointing like that, so they're not really

882
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:16,360
overgrown and stuff, but just kind of sharp, like kind

883
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:22,119
of short, sharp, sharpened pointing. And he had his nostril

884
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:25,960
his nose was not long. It was like kind of

885
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:31,440
like short, like kind of like that Bad Moon wear Wolf.

886
01:05:32,599 --> 01:05:37,519
And and his teeth and so it's kind of like

887
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:43,320
his features, his physical features on his how his body was.

888
01:05:44,199 --> 01:05:47,239
It's like the fan heal scene, but like his face,

889
01:05:48,199 --> 01:05:51,519
his like teeth and his fur and his how his

890
01:05:51,639 --> 01:05:54,639
eyes are were like the Bad Moon were Wolves.

891
01:05:55,880 --> 01:06:00,679
Speaker 2: Those really good descriptions. Yeah, obviously saw from behind. So

892
01:06:01,519 --> 01:06:03,599
I'm wondering, did you ever notice a mean?

893
01:06:05,639 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 1: No, I didn't, there's no mean what.

894
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:14,280
Speaker 2: About its posture? Was it more hunched over forward or upright?

895
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:20,639
Speaker 1: He was upright. He was upright when he was on

896
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:24,159
top of us. But when he was chasing us, he

897
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:29,719
was on his forest chasing us, and it kind of

898
01:06:29,719 --> 01:06:33,000
reminded me of when he was chasing us if I

899
01:06:33,159 --> 01:06:37,400
look back at it. Uh, it was more like like

900
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:40,199
a dog playing and fetch or something kind of like

901
01:06:40,239 --> 01:06:43,840
playing around kind of chasing. That's how he was kind

902
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:47,320
of his demeanor was. But at that time, when I

903
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:52,039
was a kid, it was like something was so terrifying

904
01:06:52,239 --> 01:06:56,159
chasing you. So it's like it's a different perspective as

905
01:06:56,199 --> 01:06:57,039
I got older.

906
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:02,119
Speaker 2: No, that makes sense. Time does change things, how tall

907
01:07:02,239 --> 01:07:04,440
was the dog man on all fours as it was

908
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:05,159
coming after you.

909
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:12,119
Speaker 1: Gosh, I'm I want to say about six feet or

910
01:07:12,639 --> 01:07:17,119
more that I don't really remember the Pacifics like that,

911
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:21,599
but he was massive coming back. He kind of reminded

912
01:07:21,639 --> 01:07:23,719
me of by like a dire wolf when he was

913
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:30,079
chasing because he was so humongous on all fours itself.

914
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:35,239
He was clearly over six feet tall when he was

915
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:36,119
chasing us.

916
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 2: That's what I would expect from a twelve footer if

917
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:42,159
it's coming after in all fours, I'd expect it to

918
01:07:42,159 --> 01:07:44,679
be at least six feet tall when you consider how

919
01:07:44,679 --> 01:07:48,480
long their arms are so that all fits. In the

920
01:07:48,559 --> 01:07:51,599
years since your encounter, Abby, have you suffered more trauma

921
01:07:51,639 --> 01:07:54,760
from the encounter itself or the ominous warning that the

922
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:55,760
men in black gave you.

923
01:07:58,119 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 1: I'm saying when I was a it was actually a

924
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:09,519
mixture of both. When I was the warning of the

925
01:08:09,559 --> 01:08:13,920
men in black really scared me up. Oh. I was

926
01:08:14,119 --> 01:08:19,439
never a kid who got into trouble or or trying

927
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:26,239
to test the boundaries, So just thought of me being

928
01:08:26,279 --> 01:08:30,680
in trouble with my parents scared me. And then you

929
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:35,720
have these men t intimidating you and stuff as a child.

930
01:08:36,319 --> 01:08:39,439
It kind of did a number on me and stuff,

931
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:43,960
and it kind of led me to the point where

932
01:08:44,039 --> 01:08:46,319
I'm like, I was afraid to open up because I

933
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:50,159
just didn't know about the safety of my family or whatever.

934
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:59,560
But also I was trauma, very traumatized by the encounter itself,

935
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:02,560
because has I don't know if you ever had a

936
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:05,479
night you know when you're a child that someone something's

937
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:08,720
chasing me, and at the very end of the chase,

938
01:09:09,399 --> 01:09:12,399
you close the door and then you wake up in bed.

939
01:09:13,079 --> 01:09:17,000
It was kind of like that. But I just realized

940
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:21,720
that Boogeyman does exist, and the thing that was chasing me,

941
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:25,960
it did exist. It was not a dream, it was

942
01:09:26,039 --> 01:09:31,279
not a nightmare. So just the fact that I came

943
01:09:31,319 --> 01:09:36,560
across something in real life of something that is chasing

944
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:46,279
us and it kind of really is traumatizing itself. Just

945
01:09:46,359 --> 01:09:52,319
a fact of that huge beast like he was. It

946
01:09:52,359 --> 01:09:58,279
was what I canter was so terrifying and scary. I

947
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:01,840
I when I hear people wanting to chase dog men

948
01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:05,319
and trum find them, I'm like, you do not want

949
01:10:05,399 --> 01:10:09,000
to see that. That is that dog man was the

950
01:10:09,079 --> 01:10:13,399
most terrifying thing I have ever experienced, and seen with

951
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:14,239
my own eyes.

952
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:18,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, when I hear people make comments about how they

953
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:21,439
would give anything to have a dog man encounter, I

954
01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:24,880
instantly think, be careful what you wish for, because there's

955
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:27,119
so many people out there who have had that encounter,

956
01:10:27,399 --> 01:10:29,960
this encounter, that encounter, who would do anything to go

957
01:10:30,119 --> 01:10:33,680
back and just make it not happen. So, you know,

958
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:35,840
like I said, be very careful what you wish for.

959
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:39,560
You're a sensitive abby. Do you think that might in

960
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:43,319
some way have predisposed you to having that encounter or

961
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:45,039
do you think it didn't play a part in it

962
01:10:45,079 --> 01:10:45,439
at all.

963
01:10:47,119 --> 01:10:50,800
Speaker 1: Well, I'm actually I'm kind of wondering about the same thing.

964
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:55,880
That's one of the reasons why I think I handled

965
01:10:56,000 --> 01:11:01,039
how they counter itself because I am as sensitive and

966
01:11:01,119 --> 01:11:10,600
I've came across different entities like spirits, like human spirits, demons, angels,

967
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:19,199
and and I've learned like when I do encounter them,

968
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:22,680
I just like, oh, okay, it's kind of like you're

969
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:27,239
watching something on TV. You know they're there, it's there,

970
01:11:27,359 --> 01:11:31,039
but it's like it's not going to come hurt you whatever.

971
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:37,960
But I do believe that maybe I don't know if

972
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:42,199
if there is a relation about me being as sensitive,

973
01:11:42,359 --> 01:11:46,479
and I came encountered. But I think when I was

974
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:52,439
a kid, like everybody, like a people experience, when they

975
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:56,520
seek to play with fire, they will get burned. And

976
01:11:56,760 --> 01:12:00,119
we were seeking if this creature did exist, and the

977
01:12:00,399 --> 01:12:04,560
actually we got burned it did we found out what

978
01:12:05,199 --> 01:12:08,760
the rumor was true, that there was a creature that

979
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:09,960
lived in that park.

980
01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:13,640
Speaker 2: That rumor that you were just telling us about. It

981
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:16,760
makes me wonder back then when you were in school,

982
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:20,199
do you remember any talk about satanic rituals going on

983
01:12:20,359 --> 01:12:24,880
in that park, Because if they were conducting Satanic rituals,

984
01:12:25,039 --> 01:12:28,399
especially on a regular basis, it makes you wonder if

985
01:12:28,399 --> 01:12:30,199
they might have opened up a door that shouldn't have

986
01:12:30,199 --> 01:12:30,800
opened up.

987
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:37,760
Speaker 1: That's a good question, and I do think I do

988
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:43,039
think they were had some Satanic rituals in that park.

989
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:48,760
We did come across on another basis of a couple

990
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:52,239
of bone animal bones scattered in a certain pattern. So

991
01:12:52,359 --> 01:12:57,079
I cannot say if there was any rituals taking place,

992
01:12:57,159 --> 01:13:01,640
but it was kind of weird to see the bones

993
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:05,840
scattered in a certain pattern. How it was so it

994
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:10,560
could be they could open a portal or whatever, I

995
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:14,439
don't know, And I probably that is how the river

996
01:13:15,039 --> 01:13:21,199
started is probably someone came across a ritual or something,

997
01:13:21,399 --> 01:13:25,720
or like a couple of bones or what a or

998
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:30,600
artifacts or whatever, and then they came across made up

999
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:36,319
a story about this and that bridge.

1000
01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:39,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, there might be what's behind it. Of course, all

1001
01:13:39,119 --> 01:13:41,159
we can do is guess about that. We're never going

1002
01:13:41,239 --> 01:13:45,159
to know, but it does make you wonder. Nonetheless, Well,

1003
01:13:45,199 --> 01:13:47,199
it's about time for us to get out if you're abby,

1004
01:13:47,239 --> 01:13:48,960
But before we do, do you have any clothes in

1005
01:13:49,039 --> 01:13:51,439
comments you want to put out there for us?

1006
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:58,359
Speaker 1: Yes, if you have encountered anything like this, do not

1007
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:04,520
testentate in talk to somebody about it, because it does wonders.

1008
01:14:05,279 --> 01:14:08,359
Speaker 2: I'm so glad this has done wonders for you. It's

1009
01:14:08,399 --> 01:14:10,479
a process and like I told you, once you have

1010
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:13,520
a chance to see all the positive feedback from the listeners,

1011
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:16,640
I think that's going to pay huge diffidends as well.

1012
01:14:17,279 --> 01:14:19,880
But please remember you're never going to be alone to

1013
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:22,399
deal with this. You're always going to have help. If

1014
01:14:22,399 --> 01:14:24,520
you ever need help from me, just reach out to

1015
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:26,319
me and let me know, and of course I'll be

1016
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:29,439
there for you. But having said that, thanks again for

1017
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:31,920
coming on the show to share that experience, I really

1018
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:34,159
appreciate it, and of course I hope you have a

1019
01:14:34,199 --> 01:14:34,720
great night.