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<v Speaker 1>Helloha. This is Richie Peckner, Mali resident, just finished three

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<v Speaker 1>rounds with Fred Green here on the island. This is

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<v Speaker 1>Golf Smarter episode nine hundred and ninety six. When you

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<v Speaker 1>asked me what's more important where I spend my time

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<v Speaker 1>chipping and putting? There's a lot more variability in chipping

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<v Speaker 1>because you have different lives. On the putting green, you

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<v Speaker 1>have a pretty good lie, but there's so much when

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<v Speaker 1>a ball is not on a green that you have

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<v Speaker 1>to understand how your club interacts with the ground, what

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<v Speaker 1>kind of bounce you have on your wedges? Is it

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<v Speaker 1>into the grain? Is the down green? The other day

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<v Speaker 1>I was giving a chipping lesson and I said, you

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<v Speaker 1>have a couple options here. First look at the grass

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<v Speaker 1>on the green and part of it was kind of

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<v Speaker 1>this pale, shiny look to it, and the other one

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<v Speaker 1>was deep green. I said, well, the deep green is

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<v Speaker 1>into the grain, and then you have down green. So

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<v Speaker 1>where are you going to land it? Because if you

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<v Speaker 1>landed in the grain, it's going to kill it. You

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<v Speaker 1>landed down green, it's going to skid on you. How

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<v Speaker 1>are you going to manage this shot? And so a

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<v Speaker 1>big variability to just get where the ball's going to

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<v Speaker 1>land on the green, and the person's like, well, I

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<v Speaker 1>never even thought about that, And sure enough, he hits

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<v Speaker 1>his first one into the downgrain area, skids, goes about

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen tet pass. It's his next shot a little shorter,

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<v Speaker 1>lands into the grain, ends about ten feet short, and

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't miss it either one of them. But he's

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<v Speaker 1>not going to make it too. He's going to make

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<v Speaker 1>a three. So how are we going to manage that?

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<v Speaker 2>Master your game like it's presented on TV, one shot

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<v Speaker 2>at a time. Their old friend, Josh Xander. This is

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<v Speaker 2>Golf Smarter, sharing stories, tips and insights from great golf

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<v Speaker 2>minds to help you lower your score and raise your

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<v Speaker 2>golf IQ.

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<v Speaker 1>There's your host, Fred Green.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to the Golf Smarter Podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Josh, Oh, thank you for having me again. Fred. It's

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<v Speaker 1>always a pleasure.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh it sounds so good. You got a real microphone? Yeah, baby,

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<v Speaker 2>let's go just in time for episode one for you, Fred, listen,

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<v Speaker 2>I made a list, not a long list. I made

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<v Speaker 2>a short list of the people I want to have

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<v Speaker 2>come back leading up to episode one thousand, or hovering

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<v Speaker 2>around episode one thousand, and you are very high on

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<v Speaker 2>the list, my friend, because every time you're on, my

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<v Speaker 2>game improves for at least two months.

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<v Speaker 1>Well then maybe I just need to be on every

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<v Speaker 1>two months.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, no, No, I mean you're you're such a articulate

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<v Speaker 2>and well thought out coach that everything that comes out

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<v Speaker 2>of your mouth is like, oh, that's what that means.

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<v Speaker 2>So I love having you on ever since we first

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<v Speaker 2>met at a at a clinic.

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<v Speaker 1>You were a long time ago, long time ago.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, thank you for for being a regular, sure

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<v Speaker 2>and for sharing all your wisdom with us. But let's

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<v Speaker 2>have a conversation. Yeah, okay, fine. So I read recently

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<v Speaker 2>that different things, but one said is trying to eliminate

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<v Speaker 2>doubles is easier than trying to make more birdies. What's

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<v Speaker 2>your thought on that?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think it's all about how you're You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you've got the Golf Smarter podcast how to Play Smarter,

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<v Speaker 1>And one of the things about trying to make birdies

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<v Speaker 1>as you're starting to probably take more risks than are necessary.

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<v Speaker 1>So I tell people, listen, if a tour player makes

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<v Speaker 1>half their eight footers once they're outside of eight feet,

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<v Speaker 1>they're missing more than they make. How often are you

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<v Speaker 1>hitting an approach shot in the green, say from one

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<v Speaker 1>even one hundred and fifty yards, and you're going after

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<v Speaker 1>a pin, you're going to have to get it within

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<v Speaker 1>ten feet to have a reasonable chance of making a birdie.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's pretty easy to put from twenty five or

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<v Speaker 1>thirty feet if you've got reasonable lag you know, lag

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<v Speaker 1>piting skills. So why take the risk, Because if you

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<v Speaker 1>try to go for a tuck pin and you end

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<v Speaker 1>up short sighting yourself, that's where you start making double bogies.

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<v Speaker 1>So stop trying to make birdies. Hit the hit the

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<v Speaker 1>I always like, you know, hearing what Tiger and Jack

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<v Speaker 1>Nicholas have say, make aggressive, swing to a conservative target,

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<v Speaker 1>hit the correct part of the green, the fat side

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<v Speaker 1>of the green as we like to call it. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you you know, if you happen to miss, you

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<v Speaker 1>might miss on the side that the that the flag's on,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you have your easy birdie putt. But you've

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<v Speaker 1>got to understand that every shot has a dispersion pattern,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you aim in a to a dangerous pin

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<v Speaker 1>and your dispersion pattern, part of that is in a

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<v Speaker 1>difficult place. As we start making double bogies. I like

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<v Speaker 1>Johnny Miller years ago called it. You got your red light,

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<v Speaker 1>your red light flags, your green light flags, and your yellows, right,

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<v Speaker 1>so you always go after the greens. Those are the

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<v Speaker 1>ones that are in the safe parts of the green.

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<v Speaker 1>You never ever go on the reds, And if you

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<v Speaker 1>happen to be on, you could do some yellows if

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, man, I'm dialed in today. That was like

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<v Speaker 1>Johnny Miller's may have of thinking about it. I would

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<v Speaker 1>take it a step further and say, if you're really

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<v Speaker 1>a smart golfer, like like Tiger, you would probably not

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<v Speaker 1>even go after the yellows. You'd have the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>discipline to not go after the yellows because it's so

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<v Speaker 1>hard to recover from a double bogie. So I use

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<v Speaker 1>this example. I said, listen, let's say you doubled the

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<v Speaker 1>first hole. Let's say you're a tour player and you

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<v Speaker 1>double the first hole because you went after a pin

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<v Speaker 1>you shouldn't have gone after. Okay, now you're two over.

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<v Speaker 1>Part in order for you to get back to even

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<v Speaker 1>just by the ninth hole, imagine the next eight holes

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<v Speaker 1>were four hundred and eighty yard par fours, which are

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<v Speaker 1>kind of short par fours for the tour players these days.

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<v Speaker 1>From one hundred yards away, actually, from eighty yards away,

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<v Speaker 1>a tour player will score two point seventy five. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so a quarter of a shot under part like on

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<v Speaker 1>a little part three. Right, So imagine the next eight

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<v Speaker 1>holes were four hundred eighty yards and you could drive

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<v Speaker 1>the ball in the fairway four hundred yards. Now you're

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<v Speaker 1>eighty yards away. Now by the ninth hole you're back

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<v Speaker 1>to even. So nobody drives it in the fairway four

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<v Speaker 1>hundred yards anyway. That shows you how horrible a double

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<v Speaker 1>bogue is for a tour player, right to recover from,

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<v Speaker 1>just to get back to even, and usually even after

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<v Speaker 1>nine yard trailing in the tournament anyway. So as a

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<v Speaker 1>weekend golfer, if you can stop, if you can start

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<v Speaker 1>taking some of those doubles off the off the score,

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<v Speaker 1>off the scorecard, just by playing smarter, not by getting

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<v Speaker 1>any better at golf, just being a better decision maker.

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<v Speaker 1>You're going to make your birdies here and there. Don't

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<v Speaker 1>force the birdies. Just play smart golf. Smarter.

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<v Speaker 2>He figured it out.

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<v Speaker 1>It takes you know, it's easy for us if you

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<v Speaker 1>were going to do it. Yeah, it's easy for us.

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<v Speaker 1>Here in an office, you know, talking about it and

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<v Speaker 1>not being emotional about it. But if you could manage

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<v Speaker 1>yourself as a human being, which is a huge skill

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<v Speaker 1>on the golf course, and be disciplined enough to say,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, even though I'd like to make a birdie

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<v Speaker 1>on this whole, I'm still not going to shoot for it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to shoot for that pen. That's just

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<v Speaker 1>that's just that's being super disciplined. I was listening to

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<v Speaker 1>Russell Henley talk about his practic sessions and he mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>that when he gets his track men out there, he'll

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<v Speaker 1>he'll set a target and then it hit five shots

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<v Speaker 1>ten yards right of it, five shots ten yards left

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<v Speaker 1>of it. Because he goes we rarely shoot a pins.

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<v Speaker 1>We're always shooting to one side of the green or

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<v Speaker 1>the other based on what the what the appropriate shot is.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's a guy who's like mister methodical and he

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<v Speaker 1>plays really smart golf. He's not the most talented guy

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<v Speaker 1>out there. He's got a heck of a golf swing,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's not the most powerful. And what he's your

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<v Speaker 1>ranked top ten in the world now, I mean he's

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<v Speaker 1>crazy good, but just super smart. So you get these two,

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<v Speaker 1>and one makes a smart decision and one makes an

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<v Speaker 1>aggressive decision. You can call it it not so golf

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<v Speaker 1>smarter decision. Then you know that might be the difference

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<v Speaker 1>between you know, you're you're winning the tournament or you're

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<v Speaker 1>missing the cut. Just decision making. So that's a huge

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<v Speaker 1>part of it. And it's a skill that I think

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<v Speaker 1>people think, I got to get better golf. I gotta

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<v Speaker 1>get I got a hit as straighter I go, I

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<v Speaker 1>gotta chip it better, I get. Yeah, all that stuff

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<v Speaker 1>is true, but hey, I got to be a better

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<v Speaker 1>decision maker. And then hold yourself accountable, Like after the round,

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<v Speaker 1>think to yourself if you could take like five minutes

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<v Speaker 1>after round and you know, take the emotion out of

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<v Speaker 1>and say where could I have saved shots? What just

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<v Speaker 1>my decision making? What could I have done to you know,

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<v Speaker 1>save save shots? Could I have saved shots on one

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<v Speaker 1>or two or three whatever the holes that you quote

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<v Speaker 1>unquote messed up on? It is like what could I

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<v Speaker 1>have done differently? There? Just decision making, not talent wise,

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<v Speaker 1>not better technique, just what could I have done? And

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<v Speaker 1>and you might save yourself quite a few shots there

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<v Speaker 1>so there's a long answer to a short, short question.

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<v Speaker 2>It's okay. I love the long answers because you get

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<v Speaker 2>into stuff that you you don't even know you were

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<v Speaker 2>going to get there, and you do. I because I'll

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<v Speaker 2>never forget that. You once explained that if you if

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<v Speaker 2>you shoot over the green, if you miss the green behind,

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<v Speaker 2>you're getting double bogie. Never forget that.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, it's the worst place to miss the green. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure that the story has been told by me

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<v Speaker 1>on your podcast. But my golf coach in college, wal

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<v Speaker 1>the Goodwin Rest in peace. He said, you know, if

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<v Speaker 1>you don't know what to do, please miss short because

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<v Speaker 1>you can always chip up a hill, you can always

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<v Speaker 1>hit a bunker shop. But you're over at green. You're

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<v Speaker 1>in somebody's backyard, a cart path, a flower bed, a downhill,

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<v Speaker 1>lie going to a green that runs away from you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just it's just it's where it's where scores go

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<v Speaker 1>to die behind the greens.

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<v Speaker 2>So the most common question for teachers with students when

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<v Speaker 2>a student comes in, you know, what are you looking for?

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<v Speaker 2>The question is always either greater distance or more consistency? Right,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, after this many interviews, I've heard this numerous

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<v Speaker 2>times from a variety of coaches. Yeah, they either want

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<v Speaker 2>more consistency or greater distance, and they're not willing to

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<v Speaker 2>do the physical workout that require is required to get

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<v Speaker 2>greater distance. You don't get it from a ball, you

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<v Speaker 2>don't get it from a club. You get it from

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<v Speaker 2>your body.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, The most important piece of equipment is you? Is you? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you can get I mean you can definitely get. You

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<v Speaker 1>can get clubs that fits you better and clubs that

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<v Speaker 1>you can swing faster. But there's a certain point where

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<v Speaker 1>there's a diminsion return there. And I used to have

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<v Speaker 1>a fitness professional's name is Chris Thompson come in and

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<v Speaker 2>to make better decisions. It's not about hitting the ball, right.

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<v Speaker 1>But if they want to be a better scorer, right,

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<v Speaker 1>counting every shot. How are we going to approach this?

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<v Speaker 1>You've got to break eighty and you're ten right now.

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm repeating myself, but I think that you should

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<v Speaker 1>you should play golf more like how we watch golf

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<v Speaker 1>let's go watch you know, John Ram chip it on twelve.

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<v Speaker 1>we're all into that shot. We're present to that moment.

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<v Speaker 1>because you're carrying all this bag. You're not carrying the

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<v Speaker 1>Your present to that moment. And the more you can

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<v Speaker 1>play golf like that, like a series of individual golf

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<v Speaker 1>before or what you're afraid might happen in the future,

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<v Speaker 1>which is also not being in the present right. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>So when we talk about that reality show, it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>to be somebody who access their skills, somebody who can

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<v Speaker 1>stay in the present, somebody who, yeah, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>work on your skills. We're going to make sure that

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<v Speaker 1>you don't you don't chip it, you don't scull your chips,

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we got to do all that work too,

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<v Speaker 1>but ultimately we have to access it because what good

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<v Speaker 1>is having it. If you don't access this, access access it.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's about how you manage yourself as a human being.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think we would fail on the reality show

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<v Speaker 1>if we didn't address that. And you know what, these days,

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<v Speaker 1>there's so many people who specialize in all these different

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<v Speaker 1>parts of the game. Right. You have like re Accessing

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<v Speaker 1>House and and and Pian Nielsen and and Lynn marry

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<v Speaker 1>On people like that who are awesome at helping people

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<v Speaker 1>And you have other people who are amazing and helping

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<v Speaker 1>with everything, which is what I feel like I can.

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<v Speaker 1>I can help people with all parts of the game.

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<v Speaker 1>I do not claim to be the biggest expert on

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<v Speaker 1>explosive power, the biggest expert on putting. There are there

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<v Speaker 1>are putting specialists there, they're power specialists. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>depending on what you feel you need, you can you can.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think of myself when I'm coaching, It's

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<v Speaker 1>like I can help you with every part of the game.

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<v Speaker 1>But if there's somebody else who can do something that

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<v Speaker 1>going to help us, you know, win the prize on

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<v Speaker 1>the reality show, let's call that person up and bring

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<v Speaker 1>them in because it's just like, just like it takes

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<v Speaker 1>a village to raise raise a kid, and we have

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<v Speaker 1>sports psychologist, let's get that team. Just because you're not

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<v Speaker 2>And you mentioned a minute ago about how we should

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<v Speaker 2>be playing to the green, red light, yellow light, green light,

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<v Speaker 2>getting your two put in. But in our practice sessions,

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<v Speaker 2>should we spend more time because of being amateur golfers

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<v Speaker 2>who probably don't have our our distances dialed in the

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<v Speaker 2>way we should, and so we think we hit the

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<v Speaker 2>ball farther than we do, so we end up coming

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<v Speaker 2>up short a lot, right, We're chipping up to get

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<v Speaker 2>close to try to part of the whole lag putting

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<v Speaker 2>versus short chips chips around the green. Where should more

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<v Speaker 1>So you know the answer to every golf question, right,

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<v Speaker 1>answer every golf right. So I don't know if are

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<v Speaker 1>you a really good lag putter but a poor chipper

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<v Speaker 1>spend more time chipping and vice versa. Right, So they're

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<v Speaker 1>both important skills. You want to try to get them

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<v Speaker 1>to be a two shot deal instead of a three

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<v Speaker 1>shot deal in both cases. Right. So one of my

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<v Speaker 1>other mentors, Mike Lebove, you know we were talking about

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<v Speaker 1>digit golfer is? And then maybe I've mentioned this on

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<v Speaker 1>the show again, So I repeat my stories.

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<v Speaker 2>But a single day, okay, I do it more than

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<v Speaker 1>A single digit golfer. Somebody who drives their ball in

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<v Speaker 1>the property at a reasonable distance, so you're not out

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere around the green, and as a disaster free short game,

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<v Speaker 1>So no skulls, no chunks, no three putts you know

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<v Speaker 1>or few or three putts that somebody can play golf,

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<v Speaker 1>You don't have to hit ten to twelve greens around

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<v Speaker 1>And then but when you add the fact that we're

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<v Speaker 1>get we have to manage ourselves and all kind of

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<v Speaker 1>to read lies. Reading lies is a huge skill. What

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<v Speaker 1>golf ball is talking to you right now. So I said,

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<v Speaker 1>And if you don't understand how to read a lie,

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<v Speaker 1>from your coach, but a lot of experimentation. The great

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<v Speaker 1>Stanford and they used to have short game contests and

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<v Speaker 1>just give themselves the worst possible lies and see who

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<v Speaker 1>could who could get themselves out of it and put

419
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<v Speaker 1>some put some money on it. That's how you really

420
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<v Speaker 1>get good at it. I had a chance to play

421
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<v Speaker 1>a Serendifitaucy.

422
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<v Speaker 2>That wasn't college students putting money on No.

423
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<v Speaker 1>I think it was push ups or sit ups. I

424
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<v Speaker 1>don't think they were putting money on it. This is

425
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<v Speaker 1>a story, right, So I think that that kind of stuff.

426
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<v Speaker 1>Like when you ask me, you know what's more important?

427
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<v Speaker 1>Where sh I spend my time chipping and putting? I

428
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<v Speaker 1>think there's a lot more variability in chipping because you

429
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<v Speaker 1>have different lies. On the putting green, you have a

430
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<v Speaker 1>pretty good lie. So you do have to read grain,

431
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<v Speaker 1>you have to read break, you have to understand speed

432
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<v Speaker 1>and all that kind of stuff, But there's so much

433
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<v Speaker 1>when a ball is not on a green that you

434
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<v Speaker 1>have to understand how your club interacts with the ground,

435
00:21:26.359 --> 00:21:29.440
<v Speaker 1>what kind of bounce you have on your wedges? You know,

436
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<v Speaker 1>is it into the grain? Is the down grain is

437
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<v Speaker 1>you know? The other day I was giving a chipping

438
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<v Speaker 1>lesson and I said, you have a couple options here.

439
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<v Speaker 1>First look at the grass on the green, and part

440
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<v Speaker 1>of it was kind of this pale, shiny look to it,

441
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<v Speaker 1>and the other one was deep green. I said, well,

442
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<v Speaker 1>the deep green is into the grain, and then you

443
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<v Speaker 1>have down green. So where are you going to land it?

444
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<v Speaker 1>Because if you land it in the grain is going

445
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<v Speaker 1>to kill it. If you land it down grain, it's

446
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<v Speaker 1>going to skid on you. How are you going to

447
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<v Speaker 1>manage this shot? Right? And so a big variability to

448
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<v Speaker 1>just get just once the ball where the ball is

449
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<v Speaker 1>going to land on the green. So and the person's like,

450
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<v Speaker 1>well even thought about that, And sure enough he hits

451
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<v Speaker 1>his first one into the down grain area, skids and

452
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<v Speaker 1>goes about fifteen feet pass hits his next shot a

453
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<v Speaker 1>little shorter, lands into the grain, ends about ten feet short,

454
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<v Speaker 1>and he didn't miss hit either one of them, but

455
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<v Speaker 1>he's not going to make a two. He's going to

456
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<v Speaker 1>make a three, So how are we going to manage that?

457
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<v Speaker 1>You know? So those kinds of things, and that's that

458
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<v Speaker 1>maybe is different than somebody saying I need a chipping

459
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<v Speaker 1>lesson because I tend to scull the chunk of my chips.

460
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<v Speaker 1>You know, like, yeah, okay, that's part of it. But

461
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<v Speaker 1>how are we going to turn three shots into two

462
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<v Speaker 1>and occasionally turn two shots into one? Which is kind

463
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<v Speaker 1>of cool. I was at a conference one time and

464
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<v Speaker 1>Matt Coocher's got a great short game, was hitting some

465
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<v Speaker 1>chips and he kind of looks over at us. He goes,

466
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<v Speaker 1>he goes, from where I'm chipping right here, guys on

467
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<v Speaker 1>the guys I'm competing competing against will make it more

468
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<v Speaker 1>than they'll make a three. They usually make a two,

469
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<v Speaker 1>but they'll make it more often than they'll take three

470
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<v Speaker 1>shots to get in the hole. So that's what he's

471
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<v Speaker 1>competing against. You think he's not going to take care

472
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<v Speaker 1>about what's you know, what kind of lie had? House

473
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<v Speaker 1>clubs can interact. I mean, the other thing he did,

474
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<v Speaker 1>which I thought was really cool was between every wed

475
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<v Speaker 1>shot he hit, he took a tea out of his

476
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<v Speaker 1>pocket and he cleaned out the grooves. He never hit

477
00:23:11.599 --> 00:23:16.720
<v Speaker 1>a shot without perfectly cleaning groups. Okay, we're like, oh,

478
00:23:16.759 --> 00:23:18.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna chip chip for half an hour and you

479
00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:22.279
<v Speaker 1>never cleaned your club once. Yeah, So how do you

480
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<v Speaker 1>expect to really have your brain understand trajectory, spin all

481
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<v Speaker 1>that kind of stuff if you've got variability on your

482
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<v Speaker 1>club face.

483
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm kind of obsessed about cleaning my clubs after

484
00:23:34.759 --> 00:23:41.599
<v Speaker 2>every shot for the last year or so. Well, prior

485
00:23:41.680 --> 00:23:45.920
<v Speaker 2>to that, my short game I felt good about. I

486
00:23:46.000 --> 00:23:48.359
<v Speaker 2>felt good about getting close to the hole, chipping up

487
00:23:48.400 --> 00:23:52.440
<v Speaker 2>on the green, But in the last year it's disappeared.

488
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<v Speaker 2>I chunk, I skull it, I double hit it right,

489
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<v Speaker 2>it'll hit it and then hit it again while it's

490
00:24:01.440 --> 00:24:05.519
<v Speaker 2>still in the air, and I've been just frustrated. My

491
00:24:05.680 --> 00:24:09.400
<v Speaker 2>confidence is shot there. Walking up to the ball, I'm like, oh, no,

492
00:24:09.720 --> 00:24:13.559
<v Speaker 2>as opposed to I love this shot right right, and

493
00:24:13.599 --> 00:24:16.480
<v Speaker 2>then boy, this is not where I want to go.

494
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<v Speaker 2>But I saw a video on YouTube. But it was

495
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<v Speaker 2>Phil Mickelson, who is a phenomenal instructor as far as

496
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<v Speaker 2>his videos and how he explains things, and he was

497
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<v Speaker 2>talking about making sure that your lead hand for right

498
00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:37.039
<v Speaker 2>hand golf, it's your left hand, the wrist doesn't break,

499
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<v Speaker 2>and you keep it the arm and the hand out.

500
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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I'm explaining this properly, but I

501
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<v Speaker 2>watched him do it, and I went in my you know,

502
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<v Speaker 2>I have a short game practice area in my yard,

503
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<v Speaker 2>and it was working. And you know, he says, here,

504
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<v Speaker 2>if you want to get more height on it, put

505
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<v Speaker 2>it in the front.

506
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<v Speaker 1>Of your stands. He likes forward and back. He doesn't

507
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<v Speaker 1>like anything in the middle. He's like, are you trying

508
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<v Speaker 1>to hit it lower? You're trying to hit it out.

509
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<v Speaker 1>Make a decision right.

510
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<v Speaker 2>Right, but don't break the risks. Keep your hand, your wrist,

511
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<v Speaker 2>your left your lead risk firm and don't break your wrist.

512
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<v Speaker 2>And it was working. Now I haven't had a chance

513
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<v Speaker 2>to get to the course with it, but I'm practicing

514
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<v Speaker 2>it a lot. Right.

515
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<v Speaker 1>You agree, you know the answer every question? Right? It depends, Yeah,

516
00:25:26.359 --> 00:25:29.240
<v Speaker 1>it depends what your mistake is. Right. So I go

517
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<v Speaker 1>into every lesson with a very kind of with no

518
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<v Speaker 1>preconceived notions. I just want to see what the person's doing. Yeah,

519
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<v Speaker 1>And once I understand what the person's doing, It may

520
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<v Speaker 1>it may need to be more of a firm lead

521
00:25:41.480 --> 00:25:43.359
<v Speaker 1>hand and don't break down your wrist. But maybe something

522
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<v Speaker 1>totally different. It could be swinging on a plane that's

523
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<v Speaker 1>so incorrect that they're low points in the wrong place.

524
00:25:49.000 --> 00:25:52.000
<v Speaker 1>They could have a pressure shift issue where they're not

525
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<v Speaker 1>moving to their lead leg. I mean, there's so many

526
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<v Speaker 1>different variables. So I just I did a talk years

527
00:26:02.039 --> 00:26:06.039
<v Speaker 1>ago for the Northern California PGA where I said, when

528
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<v Speaker 1>I was talking about how I go through a lesson,

529
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<v Speaker 1>I said, the first thing I do is well, I interviewed,

530
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<v Speaker 1>get information, but then I observe and I just wait.

531
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<v Speaker 1>I wait to see exactly what this person needs before

532
00:26:17.160 --> 00:26:18.720
<v Speaker 1>I give them any piece of advice. And it might

533
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<v Speaker 1>only be waiting five seconds. I might not need that longer.

534
00:26:21.160 --> 00:26:23.119
<v Speaker 1>I might need a few shots to be able to

535
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<v Speaker 1>see what's going on and then help them understand why

536
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<v Speaker 1>the shot is happening and then what they need to

537
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<v Speaker 1>do in order to get the correct contact. And that's

538
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<v Speaker 1>different from player to player. If I have somebody who's

539
00:26:38.559 --> 00:26:44.640
<v Speaker 1>got so much lead arm lack of breakdown, so to speak,

540
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<v Speaker 1>where they cannot get the ball up in the air

541
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<v Speaker 1>even with their sixty because there's so little offt on it.

542
00:26:49.240 --> 00:26:51.839
<v Speaker 1>I might actually tell them to break their wrists earlier,

543
00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:55.039
<v Speaker 1>which would be heresy if you're talking about Phil Michaelson's thinking.

544
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<v Speaker 1>But we might be both trying to get them to

545
00:26:57.319 --> 00:26:59.599
<v Speaker 1>the same place. But you got to understand when you

546
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<v Speaker 1>watch it video Phil Nicholson saying how he does it,

547
00:27:02.519 --> 00:27:04.759
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't get a chance to see what you currently do.

548
00:27:05.079 --> 00:27:06.359
<v Speaker 1>You're in front of me, and I get to see

549
00:27:06.359 --> 00:27:08.240
<v Speaker 1>what you currently doing and say, oh, that Phil Nicholson

550
00:27:08.279 --> 00:27:10.359
<v Speaker 1>thing is perfect for you. Or if you do more

551
00:27:10.359 --> 00:27:12.440
<v Speaker 1>of that Phil Nicholson thing, your ball is going to

552
00:27:12.440 --> 00:27:14.119
<v Speaker 1>go racing across the green because you're not going to

553
00:27:14.160 --> 00:27:16.160
<v Speaker 1>have any loft on your wedge anymore because you're leading

554
00:27:16.160 --> 00:27:18.720
<v Speaker 1>so much with your lead arm. So again I go

555
00:27:18.799 --> 00:27:20.759
<v Speaker 1>back to it, it depends on what the player needs.

556
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<v Speaker 1>And I think if Phil was here, you totally agree

557
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<v Speaker 1>with me on that. I mean, Phil's a very bright,

558
00:27:24.920 --> 00:27:31.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, very very thoughtful person. And ultimately, what you

559
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<v Speaker 1>want to do is you want to present the club

560
00:27:34.640 --> 00:27:37.160
<v Speaker 1>in a way that helps it interact correctly with the

561
00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:40.759
<v Speaker 1>ground and produces the trajectory and role profile that you're

562
00:27:40.759 --> 00:27:44.359
<v Speaker 1>looking for for that particular shot, and then what do

563
00:27:44.400 --> 00:27:46.799
<v Speaker 1>you need to do to do that? And in some

564
00:27:46.880 --> 00:27:49.160
<v Speaker 1>cases you may need more of what Phil's talking about.

565
00:27:49.160 --> 00:27:52.160
<v Speaker 1>In some cases you may need something something different. I

566
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<v Speaker 1>got I don't know what the best word is, but

567
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<v Speaker 1>I got a lot of grief on the internet when

568
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<v Speaker 1>I actually said the exact opposite. I said, I try

569
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<v Speaker 1>to get my lead wrist into a little bit more extension,

570
00:28:05.240 --> 00:28:09.640
<v Speaker 1>a little bit more cupping position. Especially if I'm trying

571
00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:11.559
<v Speaker 1>to get this ball up in the air a little

572
00:28:11.559 --> 00:28:14.279
<v Speaker 1>bit more, I need more loft. If I did the opposite,

573
00:28:14.319 --> 00:28:16.559
<v Speaker 1>it would take off. But if I'm looking to get

574
00:28:16.559 --> 00:28:18.720
<v Speaker 1>it more up in the air and I've got the

575
00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:22.400
<v Speaker 1>bounce sliding, I can do that and get some softness

576
00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:25.640
<v Speaker 1>on my shot right. And they're like, oh, you got

577
00:28:25.680 --> 00:28:27.880
<v Speaker 1>to have your lead rest or like what Phil Micholson's

578
00:28:27.880 --> 00:28:31.160
<v Speaker 1>saying or whatever, you know, more forward leaning your shaft

579
00:28:31.200 --> 00:28:34.440
<v Speaker 1>and more downward strike. And I'm like, I'm really good

580
00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:36.599
<v Speaker 1>at hitting this high soft pitch shot with a little

581
00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:39.039
<v Speaker 1>bit more extension where the shaft is leaning backwards. So

582
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<v Speaker 1>what I tell people's listen, when I set up to

583
00:28:43.440 --> 00:28:48.759
<v Speaker 1>hit a short game shot, I present a certain amount

584
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<v Speaker 1>of loft. I'd like to have at the moment of

585
00:28:50.400 --> 00:28:53.880
<v Speaker 1>the strike, and then I want to make sure my

586
00:28:53.960 --> 00:28:56.759
<v Speaker 1>club is stable enough and returns to that loft to

587
00:28:56.839 --> 00:28:59.279
<v Speaker 1>produce the trajectory and role I'm looking for for that

588
00:28:59.359 --> 00:29:04.480
<v Speaker 1>particular shot. So it's interesting you hear a lot of

589
00:29:05.519 --> 00:29:06.920
<v Speaker 1>I'll share a story with you. I was playing at

590
00:29:06.920 --> 00:29:11.519
<v Speaker 1>Olympic Club and I short sided myself, you know, because

591
00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:13.000
<v Speaker 1>I went for a pin that I should know, or

592
00:29:13.039 --> 00:29:14.880
<v Speaker 1>actually I wasn't trying to go for that pin. I

593
00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:16.599
<v Speaker 1>just overhooked the golf ball. It's just not a good

594
00:29:16.640 --> 00:29:18.839
<v Speaker 1>golf shot. And I ended up short sighted myself, which happens.

595
00:29:19.400 --> 00:29:22.599
<v Speaker 1>And I hit this beautiful, high soft pitch to about

596
00:29:22.599 --> 00:29:24.920
<v Speaker 1>two feet and the guy was playing with said, oh,

597
00:29:24.960 --> 00:29:28.440
<v Speaker 1>you got such soft hands, and I said, thank you.

598
00:29:29.400 --> 00:29:34.039
<v Speaker 1>And my hands were so opposite of soft. My hands

599
00:29:34.039 --> 00:29:36.079
<v Speaker 1>were on their like a vice because I wanted to

600
00:29:36.119 --> 00:29:39.079
<v Speaker 1>make sure that the ninety degrees aloft because I laid

601
00:29:39.119 --> 00:29:42.119
<v Speaker 1>the lowboage wide open, was going to be there at

602
00:29:42.160 --> 00:29:45.440
<v Speaker 1>the moment of impact through the rough, So my hands

603
00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:49.119
<v Speaker 1>were anything but soft. The ball came off super soft, fluffy,

604
00:29:49.279 --> 00:29:51.519
<v Speaker 1>like a landed like a deflated beach ball, as they

605
00:29:51.599 --> 00:29:54.119
<v Speaker 1>like to say, right butterfly with sore wings. It was

606
00:29:54.119 --> 00:29:56.440
<v Speaker 1>a beautiful high soft shot. I'll brag about it, but

607
00:29:56.480 --> 00:29:59.960
<v Speaker 1>my hands were not soft. My forms were super strong.

608
00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:03.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm very pressurized to stabilize that club face to the

609
00:30:03.160 --> 00:30:06.720
<v Speaker 1>position I needed to produce the exact trajectory I was

610
00:30:06.759 --> 00:30:09.880
<v Speaker 1>looking for to hit that shot. And I guarantee you

611
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<v Speaker 1>I did not have a lot of forward leaning the

612
00:30:11.960 --> 00:30:14.799
<v Speaker 1>shaft because if I did, it wouldn't have been a

613
00:30:14.839 --> 00:30:17.440
<v Speaker 1>high soft shot. So again, it goes back to it

614
00:30:17.480 --> 00:30:19.519
<v Speaker 1>depends on what you're trying to do with the shot.

615
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<v Speaker 2>All right, here's another line that I read recently. I

616
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<v Speaker 2>love you, know, like when I see something, I'll pull

617
00:30:30.319 --> 00:30:32.720
<v Speaker 2>it out and hold it off, and I'll go through

618
00:30:32.720 --> 00:30:34.960
<v Speaker 2>it on almost every interview, but you're the one that

619
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<v Speaker 2>I really love to ask these questions. So this line said,

620
00:30:38.039 --> 00:30:42.759
<v Speaker 2>for amateurs, assume a mishit shot travels closer to ten

621
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<v Speaker 2>percent shorter, so that one hundred and fifty yard shot

622
00:30:46.160 --> 00:30:48.799
<v Speaker 2>goes just shy of one hundred and forty yards when

623
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<v Speaker 2>there's trouble short budget. Accordingly, so we think, oh, I've

624
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<v Speaker 2>got one hundred and fifty yards that's going to be

625
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<v Speaker 2>my seven iron, right, Because one time I hit my

626
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<v Speaker 2>seven iron one hundred and forty nine yards, so I'm

627
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<v Speaker 2>going to pull it out and not even considering that

628
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<v Speaker 2>I'm maybe in the rough on that, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's wet and it's against grain. Talk about decision making

630
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<v Speaker 2>on club.

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<v Speaker 1>Selection, Yeah, it's a tricky thing. I think a lot

632
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<v Speaker 1>of it is being able to assess the lie. I

633
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<v Speaker 1>think a lot of it is managing your ego. I

634
00:31:24.799 --> 00:31:26.680
<v Speaker 1>think a lot of it is being organized. When I

635
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<v Speaker 1>say organized, there are so many devices out there where

636
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<v Speaker 1>you can measure your distances now that you don't. It

637
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<v Speaker 1>doesn't take a lot of money to know how far

638
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<v Speaker 1>your ball goes these days. And back when I was

639
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<v Speaker 1>playing professionally in the early nineties, I was working on

640
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<v Speaker 1>my distance wedges with you know, I'd gone to the

641
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<v Speaker 1>Dave Pel school and it was helping me measure everything.

642
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<v Speaker 1>And I literally went out with one of my teammates

643
00:31:50.400 --> 00:31:53.680
<v Speaker 1>from Stanford and we went out and measured our yardages.

644
00:31:53.720 --> 00:31:56.039
<v Speaker 1>And we went to the hardware store and got one

645
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<v Speaker 1>of those wheels where we'd wheel out and get foot

646
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<v Speaker 1>by foot and then put down owls at every five yards,

647
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<v Speaker 1>and then one of us would be out there charting

648
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<v Speaker 1>it as we hit. Now you can you got a

649
00:32:06.119 --> 00:32:07.680
<v Speaker 1>little device you put behind your ball and say, oh,

650
00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:10.240
<v Speaker 1>that one's sixty three yards. I mean, you need to

651
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<v Speaker 1>know how far you hit the golf ball. And you

652
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<v Speaker 1>need to be honest with yourself. Okay, I'm practicing it's

653
00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:17.279
<v Speaker 1>seventy degrees and sunny, it's not going to be the

654
00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:21.559
<v Speaker 1>same when it's fifty degrees and you know, thicker air, foggy, whatever,

655
00:32:21.799 --> 00:32:24.039
<v Speaker 1>dense or air, it's not going to go as far.

656
00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:26.799
<v Speaker 1>So and windy conditions. You need to take all that,

657
00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:29.079
<v Speaker 1>all that stuff into account. What's the lie? Is the

658
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<v Speaker 1>grass growing with me? Is a grain grown against me?

659
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<v Speaker 1>Is do I have a clean access to the back

660
00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:35.599
<v Speaker 1>of the ball. There's all this stuff. It's like, yeah,

661
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<v Speaker 1>my seven ar might go one to fifty, but in

662
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<v Speaker 1>which condition does it going one to fifty? Right? So

663
00:32:40.839 --> 00:32:42.720
<v Speaker 1>you need to be smart about that, and then you

664
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<v Speaker 1>need to make good decisions if there is trouble in front.

665
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<v Speaker 1>You know, what's what's your You know, you've got to

666
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<v Speaker 1>count for the fact that you might miss it a

667
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<v Speaker 1>little bit, and you can't account for a disaster shot.

668
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<v Speaker 1>There's no strategy that allows you to account for a

669
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<v Speaker 1>disastrous shot right, like total chunking or sculling is like,

670
00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:04.559
<v Speaker 1>you can't plan for that. But if I hit a

671
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<v Speaker 1>reasonable shot and it's not going to go quite my

672
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<v Speaker 1>usual distance, am I still going to be? Okay? You

673
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<v Speaker 1>have to take that, take that into account. But in

674
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<v Speaker 1>the back of my mind, I always go back to

675
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<v Speaker 1>what we talked about earlier today, which is if you

676
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<v Speaker 1>flush one and it goes over the green, that's a

677
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<v Speaker 1>double at best, right, So you need to you need

678
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<v Speaker 1>to be careful with that. So I don't know if

679
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<v Speaker 1>there's a great answer, but just know that you're not

680
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<v Speaker 1>You're not a machine. You're not perfect. You're not going

681
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<v Speaker 1>to hit every ball on the button. You're not going

682
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<v Speaker 1>to hit it always like how far your best shot

683
00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:42.400
<v Speaker 1>would go. So just know that. Just be smart about it,

684
00:33:43.240 --> 00:33:46.920
<v Speaker 1>don't you know, put your ego aside and say, you

685
00:33:46.960 --> 00:33:48.880
<v Speaker 1>know what, what's the club that's going to get me,

686
00:33:49.160 --> 00:33:50.599
<v Speaker 1>get me to where I need to be and help

687
00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:53.559
<v Speaker 1>me score reasonably on this hole and not put myself

688
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<v Speaker 1>in harm's way by just making again a decision that's

689
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<v Speaker 1>ego based. Worried about how come you know, worry about score?

690
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<v Speaker 1>What will they think of me? All that stuff that interferes.

691
00:34:04.920 --> 00:34:07.480
<v Speaker 1>It's like nobody needs to know you hit a seven

692
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<v Speaker 1>ar and when when people think you should have hit

693
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<v Speaker 1>an eight iron their cyc who cares?

694
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Absolutely absolutely. And there's so many products out there

695
00:34:16.519 --> 00:34:22.239
<v Speaker 2>now that you know, from Schatscope, Arco's Game Golf, all

696
00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:25.559
<v Speaker 2>these different things that if you are willing to take

697
00:34:25.599 --> 00:34:29.360
<v Speaker 2>the time after your round, it's going to tell you

698
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<v Speaker 2>a lot of information about how you did and give

699
00:34:33.320 --> 00:34:37.880
<v Speaker 2>you insights into what you possibly should be working on

700
00:34:38.559 --> 00:34:41.079
<v Speaker 2>and where your errors are. Are you a fan do

701
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<v Speaker 2>you advocate that?

702
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I think that's great. Any information that can help

703
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<v Speaker 1>you make better decisions, I'm in Yeah, yep, Yeah.

704
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<v Speaker 2>Another line I read recently, Instead of focusing on the

705
00:34:51.519 --> 00:34:53.800
<v Speaker 2>twenty two percent of your game that isn't going right

706
00:34:53.840 --> 00:34:58.119
<v Speaker 2>that day, take the glass half full approach, appreciate the

707
00:34:58.159 --> 00:35:00.800
<v Speaker 2>seventy eight percent of your game that is working for you,

708
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<v Speaker 2>and have the awareness to play towards your strengths for

709
00:35:05.039 --> 00:35:07.239
<v Speaker 2>that day because every round is different.

710
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, I agree with that, but I do

711
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<v Speaker 1>also think that you need to be aware of where

712
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<v Speaker 1>your weaknesses are. And I'll go back to before all

713
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<v Speaker 1>these great apps we have now to chart all of

714
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<v Speaker 1>our stats. I used to do it all with pencil

715
00:35:27.199 --> 00:35:29.840
<v Speaker 1>and paper when I was playing college and professional. And

716
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<v Speaker 1>what I would do is I would look at where

717
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<v Speaker 1>I thought were the deficiencies after I took the statistics,

718
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<v Speaker 1>and then I'd go to my coach. At that point,

719
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<v Speaker 1>it was Rick Roads up at San Francisco Golf Club,

720
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<v Speaker 1>So Rick, you know, I'm struggling with this part of

721
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<v Speaker 1>my game, and then we'd focus on that. So I'd

722
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<v Speaker 1>come to my coach prepared with what my weaknesses were,

723
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<v Speaker 1>and those were evident based on what the statistics statistics

724
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<v Speaker 1>told me. And for whatever reason, I don't know how

725
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<v Speaker 1>this can be. And I'm like, Okay, if I'm going

726
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<v Speaker 1>to play professional golf, if I want to win a

727
00:36:03.039 --> 00:36:05.719
<v Speaker 1>professional tournament, if I could average sixty eight for four

728
00:36:05.800 --> 00:36:07.519
<v Speaker 1>days and she's sixty under par, I'm going to be

729
00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:10.440
<v Speaker 1>in the mix. And then I would see basically what

730
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<v Speaker 1>the anatomy of a sixty eight was. And it wasn't

731
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<v Speaker 1>anything crazy, right, it was just being reasonable in all

732
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<v Speaker 1>these different categories. And now we've got it to the

733
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<v Speaker 1>point where it's even you know, more sophisticated, with all

734
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<v Speaker 1>the all the great apps and tools that we have

735
00:36:28.440 --> 00:36:31.239
<v Speaker 1>to be able to measure everything and depending on what

736
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<v Speaker 1>you are, whether you're you know, somebody's just trying to

737
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<v Speaker 1>break a ninety or break eighty, your break one hundred.

738
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<v Speaker 1>There's just reasonable expectations in each part of your game

739
00:36:40.599 --> 00:36:42.880
<v Speaker 1>that you can refer to and then go to your

740
00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:45.880
<v Speaker 1>coach armed with that, like, hey, coach, you know, I

741
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<v Speaker 1>not just what my last round was, but if you

742
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<v Speaker 1>look at my last ten or fifteen rounds, there's a

743
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<v Speaker 1>trend here, you know, there's a trend that you know,

744
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<v Speaker 1>I'm my chips are averaging twelve feet from the hole. Well,

745
00:36:56.559 --> 00:36:59.000
<v Speaker 1>it's probably gonna be a two putt. What if we

746
00:36:59.079 --> 00:37:00.840
<v Speaker 1>got that? What if we get that to seven or

747
00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:02.320
<v Speaker 1>eight and all of a sudden some of those become

748
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<v Speaker 1>up and downs, you know. And so if you get

749
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<v Speaker 1>a little bit better in every category, you're going to

750
00:37:10.159 --> 00:37:13.559
<v Speaker 1>improve just improving your skill set. It's like what I

751
00:37:13.599 --> 00:37:16.320
<v Speaker 1>tell like almost all golfers, but especially juniors, I'm like,

752
00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:18.679
<v Speaker 1>what can you do today that makes you just a

753
00:37:18.719 --> 00:37:21.639
<v Speaker 1>little better than you were yesterday? What kind of decisions

754
00:37:21.679 --> 00:37:23.599
<v Speaker 1>can make what how's your practice going to be a

755
00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:25.400
<v Speaker 1>little bit better today just to make you better than

756
00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:28.440
<v Speaker 1>you were yesterday? And just keep comparing yourself to yourself

757
00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:34.239
<v Speaker 1>and keep making your weaknesses less weak. You know, it's

758
00:37:34.360 --> 00:37:36.599
<v Speaker 1>nice to have strengths. We have to maintain those, but

759
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<v Speaker 1>really come armed to a lesson with an understanding of

760
00:37:41.519 --> 00:37:44.079
<v Speaker 1>where you should spend your time. So the you know,

761
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<v Speaker 1>if you're taking an hour lesson the coaches and trying

762
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<v Speaker 1>to figure it out for the first twenty minutes, what's

763
00:37:48.559 --> 00:37:50.119
<v Speaker 1>going on. It's like, let's get to work.

764
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<v Speaker 2>So let's get to finding the right coach. What elements

765
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<v Speaker 2>are we looking for in the process of finding a coach?

766
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<v Speaker 2>And that doesn't mean like, oh, there's a guy who

767
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<v Speaker 2>teaches nearby here, I'm just going to go to him, right.

768
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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure that you have to go shopping. You've got

769
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<v Speaker 2>to do your research, just like you do with any

770
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<v Speaker 2>retail product. This is a service and you want the

771
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<v Speaker 2>best person who's going to serve you in that service.

772
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<v Speaker 1>I think I think there's a lot of ways to

773
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<v Speaker 1>find out about the coach these days beforehand. Just google

774
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<v Speaker 1>them right, find out you know what they what they do.

775
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<v Speaker 1>You know, there's a lot of social media out there.

776
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<v Speaker 1>I've got Instagram, YouTube, things like that. I mean, coaches

777
00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:41.239
<v Speaker 1>are out there for you to kind of see what

778
00:38:41.280 --> 00:38:43.920
<v Speaker 1>their style is, things like we're doing right now, like

779
00:38:43.920 --> 00:38:47.320
<v Speaker 1>like podcasting, and you hear what kind of philosophy the

780
00:38:47.360 --> 00:38:50.000
<v Speaker 1>coach might have and see if there's a match there.

781
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<v Speaker 1>And then the best way is just go go take

782
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<v Speaker 1>a lesson, and you may not need to ever see

783
00:38:55.199 --> 00:38:57.480
<v Speaker 1>them again, but just just go take a lesson. See

784
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<v Speaker 1>if the communication is what you what you like. I

785
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<v Speaker 1>think there's also a knowis on the player to hold

786
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<v Speaker 1>the coach accountable to what they're actually looking to do.

787
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<v Speaker 1>I learned early on in my coaching career not to

788
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<v Speaker 1>have expectations for where I wanted my students to go.

789
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<v Speaker 1>I really want to meet them for what they want

790
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<v Speaker 1>to do. I had a student when I was teaching

791
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<v Speaker 1>back back for golf died just in New Jersey. He

792
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<v Speaker 1>just wanted to have a beautiful swing. He was a

793
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<v Speaker 1>wonderfully dressed person, hair, perfect cologne. I mean, he was

794
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<v Speaker 1>a model looking guy and he wanted an Adam Scott

795
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<v Speaker 1>model looking swing. And when I met him, he was

796
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<v Speaker 1>a four, and when I left New Jersey two years later,

797
00:39:43.199 --> 00:39:45.159
<v Speaker 1>I think he was an eight. But his golf swing

798
00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:46.800
<v Speaker 1>looked beautiful and he was happy as a clam We

799
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<v Speaker 1>never touched his short game. We just made a swing

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful now that would not have been my I can't

801
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<v Speaker 1>tell you how many times I told him his name

802
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<v Speaker 1>is Tom. I won't say his last name, is it Tom?

803
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<v Speaker 1>We need to work on your short game. Is you

804
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<v Speaker 1>finished runner up in his club championship? You know before

805
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<v Speaker 1>I met him, and he couldn't sniff it afterwards and

806
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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't. I could not convince him to work on

807
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<v Speaker 1>his short game, putting, chipping, pitching, because he just wanted

808
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<v Speaker 1>a beautiful sweat, and he ended up I met his expectations.

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<v Speaker 1>He had a beautiful sweat if I would have. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to make my students unhappy. But that's

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<v Speaker 1>not a typical student. A typical student might be might

812
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<v Speaker 1>might say something different, like you might. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what your current index is, Fred, but I'm sure you're

814
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<v Speaker 1>a very curious person. You love to learn, and you

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<v Speaker 1>probably like, what can I do, Josh to make my

816
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<v Speaker 1>What are you? What is your index? Thees days?

817
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<v Speaker 2>Ten?

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<v Speaker 1>Ten? I would love to be a seven year from now.

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<v Speaker 1>What What can I do? Right? You know? Closer play closer?

820
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<v Speaker 1>T's well, that's that's part of it too. Hey, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>I no longer like playing the tips. I've done that,

822
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<v Speaker 1>I've been there, done that. I go one up from

823
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<v Speaker 1>the tips now. But uh but yeah, so so when

824
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<v Speaker 1>I say that the student, yeah, I would say the

825
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<v Speaker 1>student needs to hold the coach accountable. What I what

826
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<v Speaker 1>I mean by that? And I've talked about this for years.

827
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<v Speaker 1>I never will say anything to a student that doesn't

828
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<v Speaker 1>either improve the quality of the contact or the shot.

829
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<v Speaker 1>I don't do anything for for for decoration when it

830
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<v Speaker 1>comes to teaching. This one case, what Tom was like,

831
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<v Speaker 1>I learned my lesson on that, and if that's the

832
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<v Speaker 1>person who's coming for lesson, it's not a fit. I

833
00:41:35.480 --> 00:41:38.159
<v Speaker 1>want to I want to make my students better, but

834
00:41:38.239 --> 00:41:40.519
<v Speaker 1>I want to meet I want them to get out

835
00:41:40.559 --> 00:41:41.840
<v Speaker 1>of it what they want to get out of it.

836
00:41:41.880 --> 00:41:44.760
<v Speaker 1>But I think they're One of the things I asked

837
00:41:44.760 --> 00:41:47.440
<v Speaker 1>my students when they come see me, is do you

838
00:41:47.480 --> 00:41:52.920
<v Speaker 1>want to understand why something is happening or do you

839
00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:55.239
<v Speaker 1>just want me to tell you what to do? Because

840
00:41:55.239 --> 00:42:00.199
<v Speaker 1>I'm always willing to defend my point of view when

841
00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:04.000
<v Speaker 1>I see something. This is why your ball is doing this,

842
00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:06.960
<v Speaker 1>this is how to fix it, and the reason it's doing.

843
00:42:06.960 --> 00:42:09.119
<v Speaker 1>This is because of X, Y or Z, and when

844
00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:11.440
<v Speaker 1>we do this, it will it will go away. And

845
00:42:11.599 --> 00:42:13.519
<v Speaker 1>trust me on this, but this is this is this

846
00:42:13.559 --> 00:42:15.159
<v Speaker 1>is how it's going to work. And I'm confident in

847
00:42:15.199 --> 00:42:18.480
<v Speaker 1>my abilities to be able to diagnose just about anything

848
00:42:18.480 --> 00:42:20.719
<v Speaker 1>out there. We have great tools. Now, I've got thirty

849
00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:24.519
<v Speaker 1>years of experience. I know how this is going to happen.

850
00:42:25.039 --> 00:42:27.079
<v Speaker 1>Some people say, you know what, thanks for letting me

851
00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:29.039
<v Speaker 1>know that. I just want to get right to it.

852
00:42:29.480 --> 00:42:33.239
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to understand it. My ideal student, if

853
00:42:33.280 --> 00:42:36.199
<v Speaker 1>I had to, if I had to create one, would

854
00:42:36.199 --> 00:42:39.599
<v Speaker 1>be somebody who's super curious, somebody wants to know the why,

855
00:42:40.039 --> 00:42:43.639
<v Speaker 1>somebody who down the road wants to fire me because

856
00:42:43.840 --> 00:42:46.639
<v Speaker 1>I have armed them with all the things they need

857
00:42:46.679 --> 00:42:48.599
<v Speaker 1>to know to be able to be their own best coach.

858
00:42:49.880 --> 00:42:52.199
<v Speaker 1>That would be kind of the ideal the ideal student.

859
00:42:52.360 --> 00:42:54.000
<v Speaker 1>And that doesn't mean that student won't stay with me

860
00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:57.519
<v Speaker 1>for years, because we enjoy each other's companies and we

861
00:42:57.559 --> 00:42:59.480
<v Speaker 1>can always get better at different parts of the game.

862
00:42:59.519 --> 00:43:04.199
<v Speaker 1>But base, if I have a student who's been with

863
00:43:04.239 --> 00:43:06.760
<v Speaker 1>me for a long time and they're hitting certain shots

864
00:43:06.760 --> 00:43:08.480
<v Speaker 1>and I'll ask them questions that This is one thing

865
00:43:08.480 --> 00:43:13.199
<v Speaker 1>I learned from Rick Rhads years ago, the Socratic method. Well, Josh,

866
00:43:12.920 --> 00:43:15.599
<v Speaker 1>I'm hitting this, Well, why do you think that's happening?

867
00:43:16.519 --> 00:43:18.519
<v Speaker 1>You know, why is your go in this direction? Why

868
00:43:18.599 --> 00:43:21.000
<v Speaker 1>is your ball flight start? Why is the ball starting

869
00:43:21.079 --> 00:43:23.239
<v Speaker 1>this direction? Why is it spitting too much? So ask

870
00:43:23.400 --> 00:43:25.800
<v Speaker 1>a lot of questions because I know they already know

871
00:43:25.880 --> 00:43:27.960
<v Speaker 1>the answers. I just need to get them in touch

872
00:43:27.960 --> 00:43:31.840
<v Speaker 1>with it because I've taught this to them and they

873
00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:34.079
<v Speaker 1>need to be able to when they're on the golf

874
00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:37.000
<v Speaker 1>trip with their pals in South Carolina, to be able to,

875
00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:40.079
<v Speaker 1>you know, hit a few shots and go, oh, I'm

876
00:43:40.119 --> 00:43:41.840
<v Speaker 1>back to this thing. I need to I need to

877
00:43:41.880 --> 00:43:44.599
<v Speaker 1>adjust my grip, or I need to adjust the ball position,

878
00:43:44.719 --> 00:43:47.800
<v Speaker 1>or my stance position, or how I'm shifting my weight.

879
00:43:47.840 --> 00:43:50.239
<v Speaker 1>Because I know how to fix this now, because Josh

880
00:43:50.280 --> 00:43:51.960
<v Speaker 1>has armed me with the skills to be able to

881
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:57.000
<v Speaker 1>do that. And that's when the student goes, hey, I'm

882
00:43:57.199 --> 00:44:01.199
<v Speaker 1>I can fly now, right. I I don't necessarily need

883
00:44:01.199 --> 00:44:05.880
<v Speaker 1>my coach, and almost to the point, like a Bubba

884
00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:08.239
<v Speaker 1>Watson who never had a coach, like Bubba Watson can

885
00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:11.679
<v Speaker 1>fix his ball flight. He knows what to do. He

886
00:44:11.679 --> 00:44:13.920
<v Speaker 1>doesn't need he doesn't necessarily need a coach to tell

887
00:44:13.960 --> 00:44:16.960
<v Speaker 1>him why. I definitely needed a coach to tell me

888
00:44:17.000 --> 00:44:20.760
<v Speaker 1>why I did not have that instruction when I was younger.

889
00:44:21.400 --> 00:44:23.599
<v Speaker 1>My coach was not armed with that information. He was

890
00:44:23.639 --> 00:44:27.880
<v Speaker 1>the most wonderful person mentor supportive person that didn't have

891
00:44:27.920 --> 00:44:32.480
<v Speaker 1>the technical skills. And then I had some amazing mentors

892
00:44:32.480 --> 00:44:36.519
<v Speaker 1>that helped me understand the technical skills. And I want

893
00:44:36.559 --> 00:44:38.800
<v Speaker 1>to pass that along to my students so they can

894
00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:43.119
<v Speaker 1>become their own coach and halfway through around when they're struggling,

895
00:44:43.159 --> 00:44:45.679
<v Speaker 1>then they can turn it around, or after the round

896
00:44:45.679 --> 00:44:49.039
<v Speaker 1>they can they can figure it out. And that learning

897
00:44:49.079 --> 00:44:51.800
<v Speaker 1>process just makes you that much stronger of a player,

898
00:44:51.800 --> 00:44:54.079
<v Speaker 1>because you're like, hey, I can go anywhere anytime, and

899
00:44:54.119 --> 00:44:55.880
<v Speaker 1>if I'm struggling, I know how to get out of it.

900
00:44:56.559 --> 00:44:59.960
<v Speaker 1>And if you're the if you're the student who always

901
00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:02.119
<v Speaker 1>needs to call the coach because you don't know what

902
00:45:02.199 --> 00:45:04.599
<v Speaker 1>to do, then the coach probably didn't do their job

903
00:45:04.639 --> 00:45:09.039
<v Speaker 1>in my opinion. So I have kiddingly say I'm trying

904
00:45:09.039 --> 00:45:10.719
<v Speaker 1>to get myself fired here, but I kind of I

905
00:45:10.800 --> 00:45:12.920
<v Speaker 1>kind of am is that I don't want to hold

906
00:45:12.960 --> 00:45:14.800
<v Speaker 1>anything back I want to I want to make sure

907
00:45:14.840 --> 00:45:18.639
<v Speaker 1>you understand and then and then I'm going to arm

908
00:45:18.679 --> 00:45:21.639
<v Speaker 1>you with some skills to be able to fix yourself

909
00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:25.559
<v Speaker 1>because golf is always I was explaining this to a

910
00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:28.760
<v Speaker 1>student the other day. Golf is always a matter of

911
00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:31.880
<v Speaker 1>tweaking things. And for those who us, those of us

912
00:45:31.920 --> 00:45:34.000
<v Speaker 1>who are old enough to remember there were dials on

913
00:45:34.039 --> 00:45:36.800
<v Speaker 1>a radio to tune in the station without the static, right,

914
00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:38.559
<v Speaker 1>a lot of kids have no idea what that is.

915
00:45:39.360 --> 00:45:43.320
<v Speaker 1>That's what we're always doing. We're always just tweaking little

916
00:45:43.360 --> 00:45:46.719
<v Speaker 1>things to get that contact that much sweeter, that ballflight,

917
00:45:46.760 --> 00:45:49.440
<v Speaker 1>to just curve that much more. It's always a matter

918
00:45:49.480 --> 00:45:51.880
<v Speaker 1>of tweaking things. And there's no such thing as oh,

919
00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:53.679
<v Speaker 1>I got it, and now I don't have to worry

920
00:45:53.679 --> 00:45:56.920
<v Speaker 1>about it anymore, because we're not machines. We're human beings,

921
00:45:56.920 --> 00:46:00.719
<v Speaker 1>and we change and it's it's a constant. You've got

922
00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:04.639
<v Speaker 1>to love the process of going through the process, and

923
00:46:04.719 --> 00:46:07.400
<v Speaker 1>if you're not, if that's not fun for you, then

924
00:46:07.400 --> 00:46:11.400
<v Speaker 1>you're probably in the wrong sport, because that's what it is.

925
00:46:11.480 --> 00:46:12.800
<v Speaker 1>All you have to do is go to a tour

926
00:46:12.800 --> 00:46:16.480
<v Speaker 1>event and follow a tour player through their week, whether

927
00:46:16.480 --> 00:46:19.000
<v Speaker 1>it's going to the fitness trailer when its managing what

928
00:46:19.039 --> 00:46:21.960
<v Speaker 1>they eat how they eat during the round, whether it's

929
00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:25.559
<v Speaker 1>you know, adjusting to the green speeds of that particular week,

930
00:46:26.119 --> 00:46:28.679
<v Speaker 1>or the conditions are, you know, where the ball's not

931
00:46:28.679 --> 00:46:30.519
<v Speaker 1>flying as far because maybe you're a pebble beach and

932
00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:34.199
<v Speaker 1>it's foggy and it's windy and constantly tweaking things, and

933
00:46:34.199 --> 00:46:35.960
<v Speaker 1>maybe the ball position has to go back a little

934
00:46:35.960 --> 00:46:37.360
<v Speaker 1>bit because you need to flight your ball a little

935
00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:39.639
<v Speaker 1>bit lower, and how that affects how the ball is

936
00:46:39.639 --> 00:46:41.480
<v Speaker 1>going to curve, and you're constantly doing this, and then

937
00:46:41.519 --> 00:46:43.679
<v Speaker 1>the next week you're in a different place and all

938
00:46:43.719 --> 00:46:46.639
<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, the greens are different, and the weather's different,

939
00:46:46.639 --> 00:46:49.639
<v Speaker 1>the altitude is different, and you're constantly tweaking and these

940
00:46:49.679 --> 00:46:53.400
<v Speaker 1>are outside elements. And then that doesn't even bring the

941
00:46:53.400 --> 00:46:55.079
<v Speaker 1>fact that, oh, you know, you tweaked your back a

942
00:46:55.119 --> 00:46:57.119
<v Speaker 1>little bit, you know, walking down the stairs the other day,

943
00:46:57.159 --> 00:46:58.800
<v Speaker 1>and so now your body is not quite feeling it

944
00:46:58.840 --> 00:47:01.679
<v Speaker 1>quite so that little that feel that you had two

945
00:47:01.719 --> 00:47:03.400
<v Speaker 1>weeks ago is not quite there anymore. Now we need

946
00:47:03.440 --> 00:47:06.480
<v Speaker 1>a different feel to produce the same ball flight that

947
00:47:06.559 --> 00:47:09.920
<v Speaker 1>you had before. Right, So there's always that kind of

948
00:47:11.079 --> 00:47:15.039
<v Speaker 1>tweaking and adjusting and monitoring and dialing in what you're

949
00:47:15.079 --> 00:47:17.840
<v Speaker 1>looking to do to be the best golfer you can

950
00:47:17.840 --> 00:47:19.639
<v Speaker 1>be on that particular day, and then you wake up

951
00:47:19.679 --> 00:47:22.480
<v Speaker 1>the next day and you do it again and enjoy

952
00:47:22.519 --> 00:47:24.880
<v Speaker 1>the process of doing that again. Whether you're a fifteen

953
00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:28.440
<v Speaker 1>twenty handicapper or trying to make a living doing this,

954
00:47:28.519 --> 00:47:32.519
<v Speaker 1>it's your human being trying to constantly adjust that. And

955
00:47:33.039 --> 00:47:36.559
<v Speaker 1>part of the coach's job is to help people understand

956
00:47:36.920 --> 00:47:40.000
<v Speaker 1>your ball. Like I was saying, the lie tells a story.

957
00:47:40.320 --> 00:47:44.559
<v Speaker 1>Your ball flight tells a story, right, there's a reason why.

958
00:47:44.599 --> 00:47:47.159
<v Speaker 1>And so one of my close friends, Jeff Ritter, who's

959
00:47:47.159 --> 00:47:49.559
<v Speaker 1>a great teacher. You may have spoken to him. I

960
00:47:50.039 --> 00:47:52.039
<v Speaker 1>love when he tells somebody who hit a shot, he goes,

961
00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:54.000
<v Speaker 1>that's perfect. What do you mean that was perfect? I

962
00:47:54.039 --> 00:47:55.920
<v Speaker 1>just sliced it forty years And that's the perfect way

963
00:47:55.920 --> 00:47:58.199
<v Speaker 1>to slice the ball forty yards. If you want to

964
00:47:58.239 --> 00:48:00.599
<v Speaker 1>slice it forty yards, that's perfect way to do it.

965
00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:04.119
<v Speaker 1>So there, what you just did is the reason why

966
00:48:04.159 --> 00:48:06.119
<v Speaker 1>that ball flight did what you did. We did what

967
00:48:06.119 --> 00:48:07.679
<v Speaker 1>it did. So now how do you work back from

968
00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:11.000
<v Speaker 1>the ball flight? What did you what did the ball

969
00:48:11.039 --> 00:48:13.559
<v Speaker 1>flight tell you that the club was doing, and what

970
00:48:13.599 --> 00:48:15.320
<v Speaker 1>did you do to make the club do something to

971
00:48:15.320 --> 00:48:18.039
<v Speaker 1>make the ball flight? Do that. That's that's golf, and

972
00:48:18.119 --> 00:48:19.400
<v Speaker 1>enjoy the process of doing that.

973
00:48:26.039 --> 00:48:32.480
<v Speaker 2>Josh, smell bad. My clothes are wrinkled. My my glove

974
00:48:32.800 --> 00:48:36.719
<v Speaker 2>shoes look very used. But I want a beautiful swing.

975
00:48:40.519 --> 00:48:43.360
<v Speaker 1>You know what a beautiful swing is? Please the one

976
00:48:43.360 --> 00:48:46.599
<v Speaker 1>that produces the ball flight you want.

977
00:48:47.159 --> 00:48:50.639
<v Speaker 2>Josh, Yes, I want a beautiful swing.

978
00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:55.880
<v Speaker 1>You know what I may have told this story. That's ok.

979
00:48:56.159 --> 00:49:01.639
<v Speaker 1>I'm looking for a functional swing. Aunctional swing is the

980
00:49:01.639 --> 00:49:06.199
<v Speaker 1>one that produces the shot that you're trying to produce. Beautiful.

981
00:49:06.239 --> 00:49:09.119
<v Speaker 1>You got a beautiful swing and not hit the ball

982
00:49:09.199 --> 00:49:11.000
<v Speaker 1>very well if it doesn't fit you. We've talked about

983
00:49:11.000 --> 00:49:14.400
<v Speaker 1>biomechanical fits and matchups and stuff before in your show,

984
00:49:14.440 --> 00:49:17.880
<v Speaker 1>and you could have a a swing that totally does

985
00:49:17.920 --> 00:49:20.519
<v Speaker 1>not suit you, and it may look pretty because you've

986
00:49:20.519 --> 00:49:22.519
<v Speaker 1>made all the angles look right, and you cannot hit

987
00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:25.760
<v Speaker 1>the ball solidly. You can't get your ball flight. It's

988
00:49:25.760 --> 00:49:29.039
<v Speaker 1>like good thing. Nobody told Matt Wolfe that he needed

989
00:49:29.039 --> 00:49:31.679
<v Speaker 1>a beautiful swing, or Leecher Vino he needed a beautiful swing.

990
00:49:31.800 --> 00:49:34.760
<v Speaker 1>Or you know Bruce Letski or you know, I'm dating

991
00:49:34.760 --> 00:49:38.039
<v Speaker 1>myself with some of these references. But you are there,

992
00:49:38.159 --> 00:49:40.639
<v Speaker 1>are you know? You start if you look, if you

993
00:49:40.639 --> 00:49:44.760
<v Speaker 1>look at the old guy, the old school guys, it

994
00:49:44.800 --> 00:49:47.079
<v Speaker 1>wasn't about the swing because they didn't have picture, they

995
00:49:47.079 --> 00:49:50.199
<v Speaker 1>didn't have video. Right, you want it back in the

996
00:49:50.280 --> 00:49:52.079
<v Speaker 1>Hogan days, if you wanted a beautiful swe if you

997
00:49:52.119 --> 00:49:53.880
<v Speaker 1>want to look at your swing, you had to film it,

998
00:49:54.119 --> 00:49:55.639
<v Speaker 1>send it to the lab in two weeks later you

999
00:49:55.639 --> 00:49:56.559
<v Speaker 1>could make an adjustment.

1000
00:49:57.480 --> 00:50:01.440
<v Speaker 2>Right, and you can't go slow motion lotion.

1001
00:50:01.880 --> 00:50:04.960
<v Speaker 1>So now because we have all this, you know, video,

1002
00:50:05.159 --> 00:50:08.159
<v Speaker 1>and we got so many other great tools beyond video,

1003
00:50:08.280 --> 00:50:13.639
<v Speaker 1>three D in sports boxes is an incredible tool now

1004
00:50:13.679 --> 00:50:15.559
<v Speaker 1>for instructors. I use it all the time. It's just

1005
00:50:15.679 --> 00:50:20.480
<v Speaker 1>it's fabulous to understand all these different basically three D

1006
00:50:21.039 --> 00:50:24.760
<v Speaker 1>using video that gives you instant feedback on how much

1007
00:50:24.800 --> 00:50:29.239
<v Speaker 1>your your body is turning, rotating, lifting. I mean, just

1008
00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:32.559
<v Speaker 1>like every possible thing you want to know is there.

1009
00:50:33.079 --> 00:50:35.280
<v Speaker 1>But I go back to what I was saying before,

1010
00:50:36.519 --> 00:50:40.920
<v Speaker 1>how much of that is relevant to you either hitting

1011
00:50:41.000 --> 00:50:44.960
<v Speaker 1>it more solidly or producing the proper ball flight. That's

1012
00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:47.239
<v Speaker 1>where the coach comes in the coach is the guide

1013
00:50:47.559 --> 00:50:50.599
<v Speaker 1>that helps you understand that information. It's the shirtpa that

1014
00:50:50.639 --> 00:50:52.639
<v Speaker 1>keeps you from going down rabbit holes that you shouldn't

1015
00:50:52.639 --> 00:50:54.360
<v Speaker 1>be going down rabbit holes. We were talking about this

1016
00:50:54.440 --> 00:50:57.960
<v Speaker 1>before we came on the air here. One of my

1017
00:50:58.440 --> 00:51:03.119
<v Speaker 1>most important jobs is to keep you on the proper road,

1018
00:51:03.760 --> 00:51:07.000
<v Speaker 1>because think about how hard it is to build new

1019
00:51:07.320 --> 00:51:10.199
<v Speaker 1>motor patterns. And if you're going down a rabbit hole

1020
00:51:10.239 --> 00:51:12.559
<v Speaker 1>of trying to do something that doesn't fit what you

1021
00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:16.559
<v Speaker 1>need to do, you're spending so much time and effort

1022
00:51:16.679 --> 00:51:18.440
<v Speaker 1>going down the wrong road, and now you've got to

1023
00:51:18.440 --> 00:51:20.280
<v Speaker 1>come all the way back and start again and try

1024
00:51:20.280 --> 00:51:22.199
<v Speaker 1>to do something different, and you just put all these

1025
00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:26.000
<v Speaker 1>repetitions into something that doesn't work for you. So part

1026
00:51:26.000 --> 00:51:32.119
<v Speaker 1>of the coach's job is to what's the word I'm

1027
00:51:32.119 --> 00:51:36.079
<v Speaker 1>looking for, is to is to make keep you on path,

1028
00:51:36.440 --> 00:51:40.440
<v Speaker 1>streamline the process, make it as efficient as possible. So

1029
00:51:40.559 --> 00:51:44.119
<v Speaker 1>you're doing you're working extremely intelligently to get to where

1030
00:51:44.119 --> 00:51:47.960
<v Speaker 1>you want to go. And if you're not getting the

1031
00:51:48.000 --> 00:51:51.360
<v Speaker 1>proper information or you're doing something because you saw this

1032
00:51:51.400 --> 00:51:56.559
<v Speaker 1>really cool video on YouTube that I don't know, Ludva

1033
00:51:56.599 --> 00:51:58.159
<v Speaker 1>Goldberg is doing this. So I got to do that

1034
00:51:58.159 --> 00:52:00.559
<v Speaker 1>because man, is it was awesome and I agree this

1035
00:52:00.599 --> 00:52:02.719
<v Speaker 1>swing's awesome, But why does it work for him? And

1036
00:52:02.760 --> 00:52:06.440
<v Speaker 1>does it apply to you? Maybe not? You know, if

1037
00:52:06.480 --> 00:52:09.679
<v Speaker 1>Matt Wolf would have watched Oberg swing and try to

1038
00:52:09.679 --> 00:52:11.920
<v Speaker 1>do that, maybe Matt Wolf wouldn't finish second in the

1039
00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:14.880
<v Speaker 1>US Open to Bryson at wing Foot. You know, it's like,

1040
00:52:16.159 --> 00:52:18.320
<v Speaker 1>you need to do what's right, what's right for you,

1041
00:52:18.440 --> 00:52:21.760
<v Speaker 1>and you need oftentimes you need a coach who understands

1042
00:52:21.760 --> 00:52:25.119
<v Speaker 1>that to be able to make sure, Hey, this is

1043
00:52:25.159 --> 00:52:27.719
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I'm the I'm the person who can

1044
00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:31.400
<v Speaker 1>just save you a lot of time or a qualified

1045
00:52:31.400 --> 00:52:33.360
<v Speaker 1>coach as a person who could help you save a

1046
00:52:33.400 --> 00:52:35.760
<v Speaker 1>lot of time not going down the wrong path because

1047
00:52:35.800 --> 00:52:37.519
<v Speaker 1>it needs to apply to you and it needs and

1048
00:52:37.719 --> 00:52:40.960
<v Speaker 1>a great litmus test is as far as holding your

1049
00:52:40.960 --> 00:52:43.440
<v Speaker 1>coach accountable. Ask the coach when they ask you to

1050
00:52:43.440 --> 00:52:46.400
<v Speaker 1>do something, be polite, but just ask them is this

1051
00:52:46.480 --> 00:52:49.920
<v Speaker 1>going to make my contact more solid? Or is this

1052
00:52:49.960 --> 00:52:53.559
<v Speaker 1>going to help my ball flight? And if not, why

1053
00:52:53.599 --> 00:52:57.920
<v Speaker 1>am I doing it? Because there's no reason to do

1054
00:52:57.960 --> 00:53:00.280
<v Speaker 1>it if it's not doing one of those two things.

1055
00:53:00.519 --> 00:53:02.599
<v Speaker 1>One of my mentors, Jim Hardy, The tagline for his

1056
00:53:02.679 --> 00:53:05.760
<v Speaker 1>company is next ball better. The next ball needs to

1057
00:53:05.760 --> 00:53:08.320
<v Speaker 1>be better. If you're doing the things that the coach

1058
00:53:08.400 --> 00:53:11.599
<v Speaker 1>told you to do, that that are gonna help make

1059
00:53:11.639 --> 00:53:14.159
<v Speaker 1>that next ball better. And if you're going down the

1060
00:53:14.199 --> 00:53:16.400
<v Speaker 1>wrong road, if you're trying to you know, bow your

1061
00:53:16.440 --> 00:53:18.599
<v Speaker 1>wrist because John rom Bose's wrist and he was the

1062
00:53:18.679 --> 00:53:20.400
<v Speaker 1>number one player in the world, and so was Dustin

1063
00:53:20.480 --> 00:53:23.480
<v Speaker 1>with a Bode wrist. Well, does a Bode risk help

1064
00:53:23.559 --> 00:53:26.280
<v Speaker 1>you hit the next ball better? Does it fit your biomechanics?

1065
00:53:26.440 --> 00:53:29.039
<v Speaker 1>Because for some people it's magic and for other people

1066
00:53:29.039 --> 00:53:31.239
<v Speaker 1>it's tragic. So you just got to make sure you

1067
00:53:31.320 --> 00:53:33.599
<v Speaker 1>understand what that is for you. And that's part of

1068
00:53:33.639 --> 00:53:36.679
<v Speaker 1>what you need to hold your count, your coach accountable for.

1069
00:53:37.880 --> 00:53:42.480
<v Speaker 1>So it's it's a you can this. There's so much

1070
00:53:42.480 --> 00:53:45.480
<v Speaker 1>information available for us, and it's all good information, but

1071
00:53:45.519 --> 00:53:48.079
<v Speaker 1>the question is is applicable to you? And that's that's

1072
00:53:48.119 --> 00:53:51.039
<v Speaker 1>I think where you need some kind of a helper,

1073
00:53:51.280 --> 00:53:53.679
<v Speaker 1>some kind of a coach to help you understand that.

1074
00:53:55.079 --> 00:53:57.119
<v Speaker 1>If I was if I was learning a different sport,

1075
00:53:58.320 --> 00:54:00.800
<v Speaker 1>I definitely would find a coach that would help me

1076
00:54:00.880 --> 00:54:04.039
<v Speaker 1>understand how can I get to where I want to

1077
00:54:04.079 --> 00:54:07.519
<v Speaker 1>go and what's the what's the closest point, you know,

1078
00:54:07.800 --> 00:54:09.679
<v Speaker 1>the distance between those two lines that I can get

1079
00:54:09.719 --> 00:54:12.440
<v Speaker 1>me there the most efficiently. And you know I have

1080
00:54:12.559 --> 00:54:15.480
<v Speaker 1>limited amount of time and how do I spend it?

1081
00:54:17.079 --> 00:54:19.760
<v Speaker 1>And that's that's how I would go. So when I'm

1082
00:54:19.800 --> 00:54:22.599
<v Speaker 1>taking a lesson, like I tell people, I'm the hardest

1083
00:54:22.599 --> 00:54:25.000
<v Speaker 1>person to take a lesson because I'm going to hold

1084
00:54:25.039 --> 00:54:26.960
<v Speaker 1>the coach accountable because i know the minute they tell

1085
00:54:27.000 --> 00:54:29.599
<v Speaker 1>me one thing to do, I'm like, well, I've already

1086
00:54:29.599 --> 00:54:31.360
<v Speaker 1>done the math in my head. If I do that

1087
00:54:31.400 --> 00:54:32.960
<v Speaker 1>one thing, I know what's going to happen to my

1088
00:54:33.000 --> 00:54:37.679
<v Speaker 1>impact because I you know, I've been there, done that.

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00:54:37.719 --> 00:54:40.000
<v Speaker 1>I've been doing it for the last thirty years, playing

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00:54:40.039 --> 00:54:42.119
<v Speaker 1>for the last forty eight. I'm going on half a

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00:54:42.119 --> 00:54:44.079
<v Speaker 1>century of golf knowledge in year, and so you tell

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00:54:44.119 --> 00:54:47.480
<v Speaker 1>me to do something, I kind of know what's going

1093
00:54:47.559 --> 00:54:49.320
<v Speaker 1>to be coming out on the outcome. It is not

1094
00:54:49.559 --> 00:54:51.280
<v Speaker 1>and I'm going to hold you accountable for that. So

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00:54:51.280 --> 00:54:54.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I'm not going to bow my wrist or

1096
00:54:54.320 --> 00:54:55.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to cut my wrist, or I'm not

1097
00:54:55.920 --> 00:54:58.239
<v Speaker 1>going to tuck my elbow. I'm gonna you know that

1098
00:54:58.280 --> 00:55:00.239
<v Speaker 1>doesn't whatever, because because I know what that's to do

1099
00:55:00.280 --> 00:55:03.800
<v Speaker 1>to my ball fleight and my quality my contact. So

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00:55:04.239 --> 00:55:07.719
<v Speaker 1>that's how I approach every lesson. I help my students

1101
00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:10.519
<v Speaker 1>understand what they need to do to make them the

1102
00:55:10.519 --> 00:55:12.920
<v Speaker 1>best version of themselves and try to make that as

1103
00:55:12.960 --> 00:55:15.000
<v Speaker 1>efficient as possible for you.

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00:55:15.119 --> 00:55:19.760
<v Speaker 2>Like sportsbox AI, I do, okay. So for those fans

1105
00:55:20.360 --> 00:55:24.440
<v Speaker 2>who are interested in more information on that. G Haylee

1106
00:55:24.719 --> 00:55:28.880
<v Speaker 2>was featured on this on the podcast back in October

1107
00:55:28.960 --> 00:55:33.800
<v Speaker 2>first of last year, episode nine hundred and sixty seven.

1108
00:55:34.159 --> 00:55:37.760
<v Speaker 2>The impact AI is already having on the revolutionizing golf training,

1109
00:55:38.079 --> 00:55:39.760
<v Speaker 2>and it was all about sportsbox AI.

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00:55:40.199 --> 00:55:44.639
<v Speaker 1>It's an amazing tool, and it needs to be used correctly,

1111
00:55:44.920 --> 00:55:47.280
<v Speaker 1>and it needs to be filtered by somebody who knows,

1112
00:55:47.320 --> 00:55:51.760
<v Speaker 1>who understands the information. So I think it's I think

1113
00:55:51.760 --> 00:55:54.679
<v Speaker 1>it's it's amazing with what you can do now with

1114
00:55:54.719 --> 00:55:57.199
<v Speaker 1>that technology and not have to like strap yourself up

1115
00:55:57.199 --> 00:55:58.920
<v Speaker 1>into the I remember when I first did three D

1116
00:55:58.960 --> 00:56:01.679
<v Speaker 1>and I had all these things, you know, attached to me,

1117
00:56:01.760 --> 00:56:03.719
<v Speaker 1>and I felt like I was at an outer space.

1118
00:56:03.840 --> 00:56:05.719
<v Speaker 1>You know. It's like with all this stuff and they're like, okay,

1119
00:56:05.719 --> 00:56:07.280
<v Speaker 1>go ahead and swing. I'm like are you kidding me?

1120
00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:10.599
<v Speaker 1>And like you're swing, you're you're really inefficiated swing. I would,

1121
00:56:10.639 --> 00:56:12.639
<v Speaker 1>I can't swing with all this stuff off. Now you

1122
00:56:12.679 --> 00:56:15.280
<v Speaker 1>don't have to just you can just do your thing.

1123
00:56:15.400 --> 00:56:17.440
<v Speaker 1>You do it anywhere on the golf course and the range.

1124
00:56:17.480 --> 00:56:21.559
<v Speaker 1>It's it's it's a fantastic tool. GA's company is doing

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00:56:21.719 --> 00:56:22.760
<v Speaker 1>awesome of that.

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00:56:22.760 --> 00:56:26.480
<v Speaker 2>That's great, that's good for I'm happy for them. And

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00:56:26.639 --> 00:56:31.880
<v Speaker 2>how do you feel about using golf simulators for giving instruction?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you? I don't. I teach everything outside. I don't

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00:56:40.480 --> 00:56:43.199
<v Speaker 1>have an indoor facility. I'm not saying I'm I'm against.

1130
00:56:44.079 --> 00:56:46.639
<v Speaker 1>If I had the ability to have indoor an outdoor,

1131
00:56:46.679 --> 00:56:48.800
<v Speaker 1>I would. I'd love to have that. I just don't

1132
00:56:49.199 --> 00:56:51.760
<v Speaker 1>at the facility where I am, so everything I do

1133
00:56:51.880 --> 00:56:55.039
<v Speaker 1>is is outdoors. I think you have to be careful

1134
00:56:55.239 --> 00:56:59.559
<v Speaker 1>if you're only doing indoor lessons, because you're you're hitting

1135
00:56:59.559 --> 00:57:04.320
<v Speaker 1>off a perfectly flat lie. It's not it's not necessarily

1136
00:57:04.800 --> 00:57:06.960
<v Speaker 1>it's a it's a good way to kind of work

1137
00:57:07.000 --> 00:57:10.519
<v Speaker 1>on some fundamentals, but it doesn't it's not it's not

1138
00:57:10.599 --> 00:57:14.440
<v Speaker 1>real life, but it's range. It's it's the range off

1139
00:57:14.480 --> 00:57:17.159
<v Speaker 1>of a mat and even more control than that, there's

1140
00:57:17.199 --> 00:57:19.800
<v Speaker 1>not even any win there's it's like golf is a

1141
00:57:19.880 --> 00:57:24.360
<v Speaker 1>variable game and there's zero variety when you go indoors

1142
00:57:24.440 --> 00:57:28.400
<v Speaker 1>with four walls hitting into a into a you know,

1143
00:57:29.880 --> 00:57:32.760
<v Speaker 1>a screen and so yeah, you might have a different whatever,

1144
00:57:32.920 --> 00:57:35.079
<v Speaker 1>you know, different pictures on the screen they get into.

1145
00:57:35.159 --> 00:57:38.360
<v Speaker 1>But so there's some use to it, and and boy

1146
00:57:38.440 --> 00:57:40.639
<v Speaker 1>is it efficient in the sense that like you know,

1147
00:57:40.679 --> 00:57:42.079
<v Speaker 1>if you if you had one of those in your

1148
00:57:42.079 --> 00:57:43.960
<v Speaker 1>house or nearby where you just go practice and you're

1149
00:57:44.000 --> 00:57:46.559
<v Speaker 1>not worry about weather and worry about you know, it's

1150
00:57:46.840 --> 00:57:50.840
<v Speaker 1>there's a ton of advantages to it. But just realize

1151
00:57:50.880 --> 00:57:53.760
<v Speaker 1>you're not really learning golf. You're learning some technique about

1152
00:57:53.800 --> 00:57:56.280
<v Speaker 1>your golf swing, and you're getting some good feedback because

1153
00:57:56.280 --> 00:57:59.519
<v Speaker 1>you get spin rates and path and face and a

1154
00:57:59.519 --> 00:58:04.239
<v Speaker 1>lot of track man type stuff information. But if you

1155
00:58:04.320 --> 00:58:06.159
<v Speaker 1>wonder why you do that and then you go to

1156
00:58:06.159 --> 00:58:09.280
<v Speaker 1>the golf course and you can't produce, it's because you're

1157
00:58:09.559 --> 00:58:14.800
<v Speaker 1>practicing that. You're not practicing golf. You're practicing how to

1158
00:58:14.840 --> 00:58:17.480
<v Speaker 1>swing your practice. So there's a place for it.

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00:58:17.480 --> 00:58:19.719
<v Speaker 2>The decision making has been pulled away from it.

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00:58:19.880 --> 00:58:23.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, some you could say some of the simulation type

1161
00:58:23.559 --> 00:58:26.960
<v Speaker 1>stuff can give you different looks and win conditions, and

1162
00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:28.440
<v Speaker 1>so you have to do some of the thinking. But

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00:58:31.880 --> 00:58:32.880
<v Speaker 1>it's did you.

1164
00:58:32.880 --> 00:58:34.639
<v Speaker 2>Get a chance to watch TGL at all?

1165
00:58:35.679 --> 00:58:37.719
<v Speaker 1>I haven't had a chance to really. I think I

1166
00:58:37.800 --> 00:58:39.760
<v Speaker 1>saw it once just for a couple of minutes, so

1167
00:58:39.800 --> 00:58:42.199
<v Speaker 1>I really haven't had a chance to to do it.

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00:58:43.079 --> 00:58:46.119
<v Speaker 2>I personally think that there's a big future in growing

1169
00:58:46.119 --> 00:58:50.840
<v Speaker 2>the game through simulator golf because you know this, this

1170
00:58:50.920 --> 00:58:55.000
<v Speaker 2>new generation of golfers are used to things being quicker, shorter.

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00:58:56.320 --> 00:59:01.559
<v Speaker 1>There's no doubt about that. That's definitely. You know, I've

1172
00:59:02.000 --> 00:59:04.960
<v Speaker 1>in my career, I've I've kind of had the the

1173
00:59:05.039 --> 00:59:07.519
<v Speaker 1>old school that I grew up with, and now this

1174
00:59:07.679 --> 00:59:10.079
<v Speaker 1>new school that's that's kind of happening, is growing the

1175
00:59:10.079 --> 00:59:12.000
<v Speaker 1>game of golf and more people out there, whether it's

1176
00:59:12.119 --> 00:59:15.039
<v Speaker 1>out at top golf, hit balls, you know, into fun,

1177
00:59:15.239 --> 00:59:17.840
<v Speaker 1>fun looking targets out there with music and drinks, and

1178
00:59:18.000 --> 00:59:21.000
<v Speaker 1>if that brings more people to the game, great. Simulators

1179
00:59:21.000 --> 00:59:23.840
<v Speaker 1>bring more people to the game. Great. Just to understand

1180
00:59:23.840 --> 00:59:28.159
<v Speaker 1>that they're kind of like different sport. Yeah, but that's okay,

1181
00:59:28.440 --> 00:59:31.000
<v Speaker 1>that's fine. Yeah, it's just whatever, as they say, whatever

1182
00:59:31.039 --> 00:59:36.119
<v Speaker 1>whatever makes you, you know, happy, entertained, engaged. It's there's,

1183
00:59:36.199 --> 00:59:37.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, to each his own kind of thing, right

1184
00:59:39.599 --> 00:59:41.840
<v Speaker 1>if you. I mean, I understand that golf is it

1185
00:59:41.920 --> 00:59:44.400
<v Speaker 1>takes time. It takes you know, you've got to drive

1186
00:59:44.480 --> 00:59:48.840
<v Speaker 1>to course, you you know. But there's there's in this

1187
00:59:48.920 --> 00:59:52.079
<v Speaker 1>day and age that I'm talking as a human being

1188
00:59:52.280 --> 00:59:57.039
<v Speaker 1>slash parent, the ability to get away from your technology,

1189
00:59:57.440 --> 01:00:04.480
<v Speaker 1>be in a beautiful place, breathe fresh air, get some exercise, socialize,

1190
01:00:04.840 --> 01:00:11.039
<v Speaker 1>communicate all those things. There's a lot there that I

1191
01:00:11.079 --> 01:00:16.760
<v Speaker 1>think people need to understand that for your mental happiness,

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01:00:17.159 --> 01:00:21.440
<v Speaker 1>your state of mind, your I don't think we were

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01:00:21.480 --> 01:00:24.360
<v Speaker 1>necessarily designed to be indoors in front of a screen

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01:00:24.760 --> 01:00:27.559
<v Speaker 1>as much as we are now. That's my personal opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's.

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01:00:32.280 --> 01:00:34.159
<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm laughing because I love it. It's like

1198
01:00:34.199 --> 01:00:36.719
<v Speaker 2>the old guys are now going, hey, kids, get back

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<v Speaker 2>on my lawn.

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01:00:37.960 --> 01:00:40.719
<v Speaker 1>Get back on my lawn. Yeah, I mean, come back

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01:00:41.000 --> 01:00:44.119
<v Speaker 1>on the grass. I literally learned how to play golf.

1202
01:00:44.199 --> 01:00:48.039
<v Speaker 1>I dug a hole in my front yard which was

1203
01:00:48.079 --> 01:00:51.039
<v Speaker 1>not very big, and I put a tennis can in there,

1204
01:00:51.199 --> 01:00:53.400
<v Speaker 1>and I got my whiffle balls and I hooked it

1205
01:00:53.440 --> 01:00:56.000
<v Speaker 1>and sliced it around the avocado tree in our front yard.

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01:00:56.480 --> 01:00:58.320
<v Speaker 1>And I could do that for hours. And I was

1207
01:00:58.360 --> 01:01:00.599
<v Speaker 1>Tom Watson, and I was Jack Nicholas, and I was

1208
01:01:01.000 --> 01:01:03.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, I was Calvin Peete and I was I

1209
01:01:03.840 --> 01:01:09.360
<v Speaker 1>was just I was truly playing and learning at the

1210
01:01:09.400 --> 01:01:12.920
<v Speaker 1>same time. And I didn't even realize I was learning, right,

1211
01:01:13.000 --> 01:01:15.119
<v Speaker 1>because I was having so much fun just curving this

1212
01:01:15.159 --> 01:01:17.320
<v Speaker 1>wiffle ball and hitting it high and making it spin

1213
01:01:17.440 --> 01:01:19.519
<v Speaker 1>on the crab grass in my front yard. And just

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01:01:20.519 --> 01:01:22.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, we had turtles. I would hit it around

1215
01:01:22.480 --> 01:01:25.239
<v Speaker 1>the turtle. I mean, it was true, it was true play.

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01:01:26.920 --> 01:01:29.400
<v Speaker 1>I was abusing turtles. I was hooking and and and

1217
01:01:29.400 --> 01:01:33.519
<v Speaker 1>and those those their shells don't don't get hurt by

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01:01:33.519 --> 01:01:37.679
<v Speaker 1>a whiffle ball landing on top of it. So so

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01:01:38.039 --> 01:01:40.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I just like when you when you talk

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01:01:40.320 --> 01:01:43.960
<v Speaker 1>to me about a hitting a ball, hitting hitting hitting

1221
01:01:44.000 --> 01:01:48.840
<v Speaker 1>ball into a stream, you know, hitting balls into screens,

1222
01:01:49.199 --> 01:01:52.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, that's that's if it grows a game, great,

1223
01:01:53.719 --> 01:01:57.320
<v Speaker 1>I would my advice would be at least spend some

1224
01:01:57.440 --> 01:02:00.639
<v Speaker 1>time out there with your friends and be a full place,

1225
01:02:01.199 --> 01:02:03.599
<v Speaker 1>spending some time away from your screen. The screen will

1226
01:02:03.599 --> 01:02:04.400
<v Speaker 1>be there when you get home.

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01:02:04.760 --> 01:02:07.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, kids, get back on my laune. So tell people

1228
01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:11.880
<v Speaker 2>how to follow you, how to get in touch with you,

1229
01:02:12.760 --> 01:02:15.440
<v Speaker 2>where to watch you got going on?

1230
01:02:15.599 --> 01:02:22.079
<v Speaker 1>I'm on I'm on Instagram and and YouTube, and you

1231
01:02:22.159 --> 01:02:25.800
<v Speaker 1>can take online lessons with me on the skill is

1232
01:02:25.800 --> 01:02:28.400
<v Speaker 1>st app. I have a lot of I have a

1233
01:02:28.480 --> 01:02:32.239
<v Speaker 1>video library you can access on the skill stapp. So

1234
01:02:32.239 --> 01:02:34.159
<v Speaker 1>that's where you can find me. If you're not local

1235
01:02:34.199 --> 01:02:36.119
<v Speaker 1>to the San Francisco Bay area, I teach it. I

1236
01:02:36.159 --> 01:02:39.800
<v Speaker 1>teach golf at Stanford. That's where I hang my shingle,

1237
01:02:39.880 --> 01:02:45.920
<v Speaker 1>so to speak. And uh but definitely trying to reach

1238
01:02:46.159 --> 01:02:50.239
<v Speaker 1>more people through through online, through the through the skill stap.

1239
01:02:50.280 --> 01:02:51.679
<v Speaker 1>So that's where you can find me and a lot

1240
01:02:51.679 --> 01:02:55.519
<v Speaker 1>of my information. You can you know, you can take

1241
01:02:57.119 --> 01:03:01.519
<v Speaker 1>lessons remotely with me through that and so anywhere you

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<v Speaker 1>are in the world, I would love to I would

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<v Speaker 1>love to help you. And uh it because.

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<v Speaker 2>Where I mean, is it Josh Sander Golf? Is it Xander?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? So my website, Yeah, my website is Xander Golf

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<v Speaker 1>C A, N Z A, N D E, R G O,

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<v Speaker 1>l F golf dot com and everything. You can find

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<v Speaker 1>everything there. And then if you just search for me

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<v Speaker 1>on skill so you can find me there. As far

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<v Speaker 1>as being able to work with me remotely, and if

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<v Speaker 1>you're in town, come see me at Stanford, Northern California.

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<v Speaker 2>Josh always enjoy it. I just love just dropping in

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<v Speaker 2>a quarter and letting you rid. This is it. This

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<v Speaker 2>is the podcast of Grip It and Rip It. Just

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<v Speaker 2>let you go.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I want to congratulate you on doing a fantastic,

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<v Speaker 1>fantastic job and the fact that you're about to turn

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<v Speaker 1>a thousand with your with your episodes is an amazing accomplishment.

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<v Speaker 1>And I always enjoy my time with you. And you're

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<v Speaker 1>a you're a great question asker and uh, and you

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<v Speaker 1>make it very easy to be on the other side

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<v Speaker 1>of the of the mic and uh and and uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Someday we got to get out there and play some golf.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm
