Speaker 1: You see, something's going to happen?
Speaker 2: What? What's going to happen?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 2: Help? Welcome back to the Occult Rejects today, or today
Speaker 2: or today whatever you want to call it, depends on
Speaker 2: where you are. We are joined by Daniel, host of
Speaker 2: Know Thyself, a podcast exploring self knowledge through meticism, alchemy,
Speaker 2: natural law, astrology, and the broader mystery traditions. His work
Speaker 2: asks a timeless question that feels especially important right now.
Speaker 2: What does it actually mean to know yourself in a
Speaker 2: world full of noise, distraction and borrowed identities? Even he
Speaker 2: himself was saying prior to the show, and I do agree.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of the topics that we both
Speaker 2: cover both cross so I thought he'd be a great
Speaker 2: guest to bring on and hopefully a show that our
Speaker 2: my listeners can get something out of. But before we
Speaker 2: introduce him, let me introduce the other rejects on the panel,
Speaker 2: and we got Judith the Loon joining us. What is
Speaker 2: going on, Judith? How are you?
Speaker 4: I'm fine? Thank you for having me.
Speaker 3: Welcome Daniel is always nice to be on the panel
Speaker 3: at Headless and thank again, Nick, thank you for having me.
Speaker 3: You could find me at YouTube and on x as
Speaker 3: the Loon and on street.
Speaker 4: I think streamstar.
Speaker 2: Speaker speaker, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Speaker, spreaker on my podcast.
Speaker 2: All right, Ellia, awesome, I'm glad you finally made that
Speaker 2: and we got to made himself the Headless Giant. What
Speaker 2: is going on? Sir? How are you hi?
Speaker 4: You do it?
Speaker 5: You can find me at the Headless Giant on YouTube,
Speaker 5: also on Twitter at the Headless Giant, and also on Instagram.
Speaker 5: And today I just got done doing a debate with
Speaker 5: Eric Clausen from Platinism, and I was arguing that Plato
Speaker 5: has been a massive, you know, bad thing for society,
Speaker 5: and he was coming from the opposite direction. So I
Speaker 5: know it's a controversial take. You might enjoy the episode.
Speaker 5: I think a lot of people might have Plato wrong.
Speaker 5: So go check that out. And tomorrow I've got the
Speaker 5: Trialogues with Evan Indigo and Ricardo Calvodio. We're gonna be
Speaker 5: doing round trip around the world, so it'll be a
Speaker 5: great time nice.
Speaker 2: Definitely go check out that that thing he was just
Speaker 2: talking about with Plato. He brought up some interesting things
Speaker 2: that I never really thought about, you know, so go
Speaker 2: check it out for sure. And Helst thank you so
Speaker 2: much for coming on. I appreciate it. I know you
Speaker 2: just did a show earlier. Daniel my man, I'm so glad.
Speaker 2: Like I said, to get you on, please let everybody
Speaker 2: know anything that you want to plug any websites this.
Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, and again it's it's such an honor to
Speaker 6: be on this show, your show with you individuals and
Speaker 6: as well as you know your community. It's it's such
Speaker 6: a rich and strong community. I like even like reading
Speaker 6: the comments some times make my face smelt.
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's so hard.
Speaker 6: Sometimes I'm like paying attention to your guys, show the
Speaker 6: recording of it, reading the comments, and I'm like, this
Speaker 6: is crazy, Like I almost have to take it like
Speaker 6: one at a time. But uh, but yeah, it's such
Speaker 6: an honor to be here with each and every one
Speaker 6: of you. And yeah, I'm a I'm my second favorite
Speaker 6: host of the Know They Self podcast.
Speaker 1: My partner Eduardo couldn't be here today. He's a little
Speaker 1: bit more of an adult. He's got like a job
Speaker 1: and a family and everything, so he was unable to
Speaker 1: make it. But I was just like, let's do it.
Speaker 1: So next time we connect, I'll definitely be uh, it
Speaker 1: will definitely be.
Speaker 6: The both of us, but yeah, you can find us
Speaker 6: that the Know Thyself podcast and it's the it's the
Speaker 6: one with the Sun logo. There's another No I Sel
Speaker 6: podcast that came later, and so yeah, it's the one
Speaker 6: with the Sun logo.
Speaker 1: And uh yeah, we cover.
Speaker 6: Anything in the esoteric And it's just me and my
Speaker 6: my friend that we've been friends since we were thirteen.
Speaker 1: We were you know, skating together.
Speaker 6: We were in a punk band called Clint Sped Donkey,
Speaker 6: and we made away all the way to like esoteric
Speaker 6: Discovery together, and so it really is kind of a
Speaker 6: just like a conversation between two friends, and we really
Speaker 6: do kind of just try to dilate everything down and
Speaker 6: get it to something that's like understandable and simple, you know,
Speaker 6: not like watering it down, but just through the conversation.
Speaker 6: You know, sometimes I think we do better than others.
Speaker 6: But either way, it's it's kind of fun because we're
Speaker 6: just we're still just two like best friends having a conversation.
Speaker 1: So it's always a good time. But so so excited
Speaker 1: to be here with you guys.
Speaker 2: Oh I'm glad you made it, man, I'm glad you
Speaker 2: made it. I do have like a couple of just
Speaker 2: basic questions that maybe we get into before. I know, Hell,
Speaker 2: this had a talking point that I was very interested
Speaker 2: in for people discovering you for the first time, your
Speaker 2: show for the first time or whatever. What does know
Speaker 2: thyself mean to you? You know? And why and why
Speaker 2: that you know what I'm saying, yeah.
Speaker 6: You know, And it really just kind of comes down
Speaker 6: to this the core aspect of like everything comes from you,
Speaker 6: and so this aspect of everything that's in the external,
Speaker 6: everything that's mirrored, is a projection of internal patterns that
Speaker 6: are in operation. And so it really kind of comes
Speaker 6: to that idea of you know, I know, I spent
Speaker 6: so much years of my life trying to put out
Speaker 6: external fires, you know, and I was always like, oh,
Speaker 6: it's just like if I get into different relationship or
Speaker 6: maybe if my car was blue and it wasn't white, shit,
Speaker 6: wouldn't it be happening like this? And it's always we
Speaker 6: always try to change the outside when it's all you know,
Speaker 6: it's all coming from from within, and it's it's also
Speaker 6: such this beautiful journey, especially in times that we find
Speaker 6: ourselves in now, because that internal security is all you
Speaker 6: really have, that internal connection to I like to call
Speaker 6: it the og, the original generator, the source, right, that's
Speaker 6: the only true security. You know, like even it's like
Speaker 6: kind of funny when you even think about it. All
Speaker 6: security that's salty is kind of bullshit. It's all gonna like,
Speaker 6: you know, it's all gonna decay and die. You know,
Speaker 6: there's only one source of that eternal and doesn't like
Speaker 6: the connection to that is within yourself. And also, you know,
Speaker 6: I think everybody is brilliant, authentic and pretty rad when
Speaker 6: they really express their own personal enfoldment. You know, we
Speaker 6: have so much aspects right now of like you know,
Speaker 6: I even see like my niece and nephew who are
Speaker 6: so creative, and they're just like looking at like, oh,
Speaker 6: this TikTok dance is what's popular, so we have to
Speaker 6: do that TikTok dance.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, homeboys, what the hell are you doing?
Speaker 6: We have this like aspect of all of this creativity
Speaker 6: and we're just playing, you know, we're just playing like
Speaker 6: tag and like mirroring all of these kind of components.
Speaker 6: And you know, I just think that that authentic unfoldment
Speaker 6: is is really how that universal life force learns itself.
Speaker 6: And so I kind of even think that your free
Speaker 6: will decision here is to determine how much that universal
Speaker 6: life force is going to understand itself within you. And
Speaker 6: that's where your decision really comes in, Like how much
Speaker 6: am I going to let this unfoldment and this blossoming happen,
Speaker 6: or am I going to just you know, go home.
Speaker 6: I'm straight and just put on that new Netflix and
Speaker 6: just like let that show run that real and then
Speaker 6: like people ask me about the.
Speaker 1: Show and I'll be like, I don't even like that show.
Speaker 1: I don't even know why I'm.
Speaker 6: Watching it, but it's just like doing it just to
Speaker 6: do it. It's like what a perfect opportunity to you know,
Speaker 6: connect to yourself. So yeah, you know, it's it's it's
Speaker 6: kind of one of those things that I just kind
Speaker 6: of realized that I I didn't really know anything internally
Speaker 6: in myself, and you know, I didn't really have any
Speaker 6: kind of spiritual direction until I was like twenty five
Speaker 6: years old. Prior to that, like I was really into
Speaker 6: like you know, like conspiracy and like who's really running
Speaker 6: the world. I could describe the prison cell to you.
Speaker 6: I can tell you how every bar was put and like, oh,
Speaker 6: this person's doing this, and like my friends are like, thanks, dude,
Speaker 6: but like we're just trying to like fucking bolt right now.
Speaker 6: Like you know, like we're just like you don't have
Speaker 6: to like tell us all this negative stuff because there
Speaker 6: was no solution to any of it.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: There was no like, oh, this is how you're gonna
Speaker 1: overcome it. It's just like, oh, you're screwed, you know.
Speaker 6: So it was one of these like things that like
Speaker 6: through that process and even kind of like learning about
Speaker 6: you know, like the occult organizations like the Freemasons and
Speaker 6: stuff like that, it slowly kind of opened and then.
Speaker 1: You know, it just took like a little bit of
Speaker 1: a mushroom trip with a gypsy girl to say like.
Speaker 6: God is energy and like first time, not the first
Speaker 6: time I ever heard it, but for some reason, that
Speaker 6: was like the moment that blew my goddamn mind. And
Speaker 6: then the whole process started, and like I really feel
Speaker 6: like from that moment on, it was like the first
Speaker 6: time I had like a true serious thought in my life,
Speaker 6: you know. And so it is it's just been this
Speaker 6: like aspect of like unfolding it through this through this
Speaker 6: process and uh, and you know, I think one of
Speaker 6: the unique things about it is like, I'm pretty like,
Speaker 6: like I was pretty elementary with all these subjects, so
Speaker 6: I really had to go like step by step, and
Speaker 6: so through the process of the podcast, I think it
Speaker 6: was like confidence because people are like, oh, I don't
Speaker 6: think I can understand alchemy. I'm like, listen, if I
Speaker 6: can understand alchemy, you can understand alchemy, Like it's one
Speaker 6: of those things like it's just like, you know, it
Speaker 6: really kind of assisted with it being such a frustening
Speaker 6: So you know, I don't know if I like answered
Speaker 6: that question directly, but but you know, that's that's kind
Speaker 6: of where that Know thy Self five kind of came from.
Speaker 5: Very interesting well. I wanted to ask about the Delphic Maxims.
Speaker 5: So the one hundred and forty seven Delphic Maxims of
Speaker 5: Stobius is considered to be like this basis for all
Speaker 5: of the morality that you find in the Bible, Like
Speaker 5: the Ten Commandments are based off of them and all
Speaker 5: the rest of these things, and hardly anybody knows about them.
Speaker 5: I love Know Yourself, but there's so many other really
Speaker 5: good ones in that list that I think a lot
Speaker 5: of people are missing. And actually, if you're thinking about
Speaker 5: it from a ritual magician perspective like these are essential
Speaker 5: to really understanding ritual magic because in knowing yourself and
Speaker 5: actually having these different parts of yourself integrated through these
Speaker 5: different you know, these these verses, you could actually achieve
Speaker 5: so much more and get hung up a lot less
Speaker 5: when you're talking about that. That kind of goes into
Speaker 5: the orgy, right, So what do you have a favorite
Speaker 5: delphoc maticsm other than know yourself?
Speaker 6: Or you know, it's like, it's so funny that you
Speaker 6: bring that up, because I before I was like into this.
Speaker 6: I was like a school teacher. But at one time
Speaker 6: I had restaurants and food trucks and we actually like
Speaker 6: painted those on the wall. And my business partner was
Speaker 6: like he was like not in He was like what
Speaker 6: the hell is this? And like me and my chef
Speaker 6: are like, oh, this was like so badass, and you know,
Speaker 6: yeah it is. It's like it is that source of
Speaker 6: all of it, and you know, like off the top
Speaker 6: of the head, like I'm trying to kind of think
Speaker 6: like you know, like almost like that aspect that you
Speaker 6: were saying, like nobody really knows about this as this
Speaker 6: is like the seed that like all of these trees
Speaker 6: were White Berthroom. It blew my mind that Know Thyself,
Speaker 6: Like there wasn't another podcast of Know Thyself when we
Speaker 6: first got started, Like another one came up, but like
Speaker 6: I threw that name out there as like, uh, there's
Speaker 6: no way that Know Thyself isn't taken, and it wasn't taken,
Speaker 6: and I was like completely away because.
Speaker 1: I was like, man, that should have been like the
Speaker 1: first podcast name that was taken.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: So it really is it really is interesting.
Speaker 6: I mean I think it's I think you can like
Speaker 6: expand that out too, of just like you know how
Speaker 6: everybody just has like this space that they kind of
Speaker 6: get to when it comes to like ancient scripture, and
Speaker 6: that's as far back as they go, you know, and
Speaker 6: you're like, oh, it goes back to the Sumerians, it
Speaker 6: goes back to all of these kinds of things, and
Speaker 6: so yeah, it's it's it's a really really fascinating thing.
Speaker 6: But that was kind of the core of everything you know,
Speaker 6: and Know Thyself is just always always stuck out in
Speaker 6: this way of it's like memorization and it's like accessibility
Speaker 6: to like come up into my conscious mind and be able.
Speaker 1: To like pull it up into my conscious mind active.
Speaker 6: You know, there's so many times I'm reading books on
Speaker 6: like the Bala or like you know, like reading something
Speaker 6: by Bolvanski, and I'm like tuning into it and like
Speaker 6: you know, picking up the vibration which will open up
Speaker 6: pathways later. But like you and me could be chilling
Speaker 6: at the coffee shop and you'd be like, hey, man,
Speaker 6: like what did you just read in that last chapter?
Speaker 1: And I'd be like, dude, like I don't know.
Speaker 6: Like, so know thyself always stuck out as this thing
Speaker 6: that like always would like penetrate through my memory.
Speaker 1: It didn't matter like where I was.
Speaker 6: This was like this motto that would always kind of
Speaker 6: come through, And so that one has been the dearest
Speaker 6: one to me. But you know, you're right though, there's
Speaker 6: there's so much of a core there and what you
Speaker 6: spoke about too with like the aspect of like magician
Speaker 6: work in like ceremonial.
Speaker 1: You're so right. It's the process of know thyself.
Speaker 6: And and I think that that's what's so fascinating it
Speaker 6: because like all subjects, like all like roads lead back
Speaker 6: to Rome in it, because it's like every subject is
Speaker 6: kind of know thyself when you really kind of get
Speaker 6: into it, you know, so it expands out. But I
Speaker 6: would be kind of curious to see if the if
Speaker 6: one sticks out to you or anybody else headless giant,
Speaker 6: because you I can.
Speaker 1: Just feel it that you're just a wath of wisdom.
Speaker 1: And so I'm like, oh, on that one.
Speaker 5: Again, Like you've got to know thyself. And then number
Speaker 5: eight in the one seven is be yourself. Right, So
Speaker 5: that's sort of like the authenticity and action. You've got
Speaker 5: to be able to know and then to be yourself
Speaker 5: as this sort of you know, paradigm that you sort
Speaker 5: of existed. Half of everything we do is the inner
Speaker 5: world and the other half is the outer world, and
Speaker 5: far too often we end up letting one side or
Speaker 5: the other take control of our lives instead of actually
Speaker 5: having a nice harmonious balance between the two. And you know,
Speaker 5: actually knowing yourself and being yourself is essential to having
Speaker 5: that authenticity. And then number eighty one, this is one
Speaker 5: of my favorites. Detest disgrace. You're not gonna find that
Speaker 5: in the Tech Commandments. This is like it right right
Speaker 5: out there and there in your face. You've got to
Speaker 5: actually be able to move to the place where you
Speaker 5: can detest the things that you really feel disgraceful about yourself,
Speaker 5: so that you can get out of those cycles that
Speaker 5: you find yourself in over and over and over again.
Speaker 5: It's not about destroying yourself, but it's about you know,
Speaker 5: developing that sense to where you can finally exit the
Speaker 5: cycles that you find yourself in. But those one hundred
Speaker 5: and forty seven Delphinic maxims are really important. It was
Speaker 5: a shame that they destroyed the Apollo Temple that they
Speaker 5: were written on, but I think it's still even after
Speaker 5: having the destruction, Know thyself seems to be eternal and
Speaker 5: it sticks with humanity even though you know it hasn't
Speaker 5: been written on those walls in a long long time.
Speaker 6: You know, and I've seen this on other episodes with
Speaker 6: your conversations, You've got such a reference in your mind
Speaker 6: of like what you can recall of like just being
Speaker 6: able to recall it, and it's happened like on multiple
Speaker 6: times when I've watched you on this channel. It's it's
Speaker 6: just like it's really really one of those things that's
Speaker 6: like admirable, and to be able to pull that out
Speaker 6: is like, is so so fascinating and inspiring. And what
Speaker 6: you pulled out with that eighty one is is so
Speaker 6: so important, you know, going to that space of being uncomfortable.
Speaker 6: You know, I think there's a kind of a component
Speaker 6: when like the New Age movement is almost like it's
Speaker 6: a lot of like cupcakes and rainbows sometimes, and you
Speaker 6: know it's.
Speaker 1: Like you got to kind of push through that. You
Speaker 1: know that that source of everything, it comes from the dark.
Speaker 1: You know, light is the reflection of it, and so.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and like I think that was kind of how
Speaker 6: I was really like blessed to stumble upon the secret
Speaker 6: teachings of all ages and like occultism, because when I
Speaker 6: first got into spirituality, like I was Crystal munchin Like
Speaker 6: it was just like everything was just like everything was
Speaker 6: an angel number. Everything was like you know, it was
Speaker 6: kind of the thing that it's just like so high vibe,
Speaker 6: which is great, but like there's opposite ends of everything,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean, And there's density and and
Speaker 6: so it was it was really nice to kind of
Speaker 6: get that awareness, especially when it comes to like exploring yourself.
Speaker 6: You know, like those are the things that are really
Speaker 6: part of the shadows that the things that you ultimately
Speaker 6: absolutely detest and and then you know, I want to
Speaker 6: touch on that being yourself. I think that's why, like
Speaker 6: bees are such a magical animal, you know, like like
Speaker 6: it's like they like that aspect of how they share
Speaker 6: that word with it of like being and like how
Speaker 6: bees don't make sense like when they like break it
Speaker 6: down with like the wings carrying it everything that they
Speaker 6: like magically do you know, Like I really think that
Speaker 6: component of like being yourself allows for that magic to
Speaker 6: come in because like I think it's a lot easier
Speaker 6: just to be like a fly, like you know, floating
Speaker 6: around shit, especially nowadays.
Speaker 5: You know, yeah, Oh, the bees are so important, especially
Speaker 5: when it comes to uh, the Hermeticism and the oracle
Speaker 5: a Delphi for the Melisay where the attended female priestesses
Speaker 5: of the oracle at Delphi. So this is like at
Speaker 5: the very core of it is the idea of honey
Speaker 5: and bees and Melisa you know that means honey and
Speaker 5: so these were like the b priestesses and so there's
Speaker 5: this really strange bond between how human society works and
Speaker 5: how bees work. And really central to a lot of
Speaker 5: the theology in ancient Greece was the bee. And you know,
Speaker 5: everybody thinks of these myths with the you know, bull
Speaker 5: headed man and you know centaurs and all the rest
Speaker 5: of this stuff. But really at the central core of
Speaker 5: their theology at Delphi was this b priestess class that
Speaker 5: ruled for you know, centuries, if not millennia. Yeah, so,
Speaker 5: I mean it was central to their understanding. You can
Speaker 5: find the b burial ground. It was a beehive burial
Speaker 5: ground for the king who invaded Troy, right, And so
Speaker 5: even within the structures you find that bee popping up
Speaker 5: over and over again, and that be thyself. It's like
Speaker 5: bees have no choice but to be themselves. Yeah, in essence,
Speaker 5: like they're kind of whispering that to you. It's like,
Speaker 5: you've got to do what you're meant to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Man, who would have known that Whinnie the Pooh
Speaker 1: was on some esoteric shit like when he.
Speaker 6: Was just like shoving his hand and his face on it,
Speaker 6: Like you know, like everything is a different lens, Everything
Speaker 6: is a different lens.
Speaker 2: You know, even Toli Brown I think was a cult.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know that's like what's look at his shirt.
Speaker 2: It's their Aquarius symbol. It's yellow, which goes with air.
Speaker 2: They call him a blockhead. Cube is the symbol for satin.
Speaker 2: And Aquarius is associated.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, you know I saw a four Chan.
Speaker 2: And brown Brown sorry, Brown's associated with sat In.
Speaker 1: No, for sure, that totally got it. That's totally got it.
Speaker 6: And I saw a four Chan post once about Teletubbies
Speaker 6: and like Atlantis in Lameria. I was like dizzy for
Speaker 6: like two weeks after that, Like it was just it
Speaker 6: took my feet from under me, and it was just
Speaker 6: like so crazy, Like oh no, they're like there're a
Speaker 6: civilization after a reset, and like this is this is
Speaker 6: the this was already built and they just showed up
Speaker 6: here kind of like the Aztecs were like, we didn't
Speaker 6: build this stuff.
Speaker 1: We were we came into this and it was like
Speaker 1: so so crazy, and once.
Speaker 6: You started like watching it, especially like the magical episodes
Speaker 6: that came like every seven, it was like all.
Speaker 1: The aspects of like astrological connection.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, it's it's so interesting when you get
Speaker 6: that lens to start looking through the esoteric.
Speaker 1: Nothing nothing is quite the same afterwards.
Speaker 5: Right, right, So there is that aspect of like reset happening,
Speaker 5: and we we just did a recent episode about the
Speaker 5: Age of Aquarius and how we're sort of in that
Speaker 5: transitional phase into this Aquarian age again, back to Charlie Brown,
Speaker 5: it's sort of are we going to keep having the
Speaker 5: football pulled out from under us in this aquarian age?
Speaker 5: Or are we going to actually advance and ascend in
Speaker 5: some way through knowledge or whatever? I mean, you face
Speaker 5: reset after reset. Everybody's scared of it. Now, what are
Speaker 5: your thoughts on the Aquarian age?
Speaker 6: You know, I wanted to were you going to say
Speaker 6: something though, you were about to say something up top?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: No, go go go, Yeah, no, absolutely, you know.
Speaker 6: And I think what's so interesting about like the precision
Speaker 6: of the equinoxes is like that transition period is so
Speaker 6: long and so like we are in this like Pisces
Speaker 6: to Aquarius stage, you know. And and again that whole
Speaker 6: Aquarius nature, like the aquariums sign is so interesting because
Speaker 6: it's like the network of the group, but it's also
Speaker 6: like the defining of the individual within that group. And
Speaker 6: so that whole idea of like blossoming and exploring the
Speaker 6: individual components of the self, I think is the biggest
Speaker 6: thing in the age of Aquarius. Like our communities are
Speaker 6: the best when it's made up of like strong individuals, not.
Speaker 1: Aspects of like oh we all need to be the same.
Speaker 6: That's like fascism immunism, and we see how that works out,
Speaker 6: you know, Like it's it's that aspect of like sovereign
Speaker 6: individuals make up the strongest networks and the strongest communities.
Speaker 6: And you know, I think it it comes with this
Speaker 6: this aspect too of like you know, aquarium is also
Speaker 6: like this technological understanding, and so it's it's a component
Speaker 6: of like everything that's in this reality is a neutral
Speaker 6: you know. It's like it can be good, it can
Speaker 6: be bad. It depends on how you utilize it. Well,
Speaker 6: I think it's the same thing with like technology. You know,
Speaker 6: like I I can see like the fear of like
Speaker 6: AI as artificial intelligence, but I also can see how
Speaker 6: it can become absolute intelligence and you can really connect
Speaker 6: to like the source of wisdom through it. But it
Speaker 6: depends on like how we utilize it and how we
Speaker 6: kind of connect to it. And I think we've you know,
Speaker 6: when it comes to like networking like we're supposed to do,
Speaker 6: we've we've let ourselves get played by like polarity and polarization.
Speaker 1: And that's why it's so targeted right now. You know.
Speaker 6: It's it's a component of like no peace on Earth
Speaker 6: right now, and they're they're breaking up any kind of
Speaker 6: relationship and they're breaking it up so far apart because
Speaker 6: they need that pendulum to swing swing farther because the
Speaker 6: matrix is crumbling. You know, this whole false like the
Speaker 6: whole like misslike fantasy of the Age of Pisces is
Speaker 6: coming undone. You know, like you can't really like scare
Speaker 6: people anymore with like you're going to hell, Like it
Speaker 6: doesn't really work anymore, you know, So that whole aspect
Speaker 6: of like we've been in this like deep Piscey sleep
Speaker 6: and now we're waking up to like Aquarius, which is
Speaker 6: like you know, like Aquarius.
Speaker 1: Is like the mad scientist like the future is almost
Speaker 1: like the guy Doc.
Speaker 6: From like back in the future. That's Aquarium energy. Like
Speaker 6: it's brilliant, it thinks in that unique kind of way.
Speaker 6: And so yeah, I think it's it's really going to
Speaker 6: kind of come down to like how much we we
Speaker 6: like stand up for our own authentic offoldment and like
Speaker 6: honor even our own like personal relationship. It's something we've
Speaker 6: been talking a lot about, is there's been some big
Speaker 6: transits with Aquarius and Ares, and those both start with
Speaker 6: an A, and there's a big connection there, Like if
Speaker 6: a zodiac sign starts with the same letter, you won't
Speaker 6: read about it in a book, but there's a connection there,
Speaker 6: Like Leo and Libra. Leo's like the ego and me.
Speaker 6: Liba's like the ego and you. Scorpio and Sagittarius both
Speaker 6: serpent wisdom. Scorpio is like going down the you know,
Speaker 6: the spiral staircase into yourself to find like the internal
Speaker 6: aspect of God or the source energy down that spiral staircase,
Speaker 6: the deepest parts of yourself, where Sagittarius is like climbing
Speaker 6: the ladder of like philosophy.
Speaker 1: To find that universal life force. You're gonna find it
Speaker 1: on both ends and like going one direction pushes to
Speaker 1: the other. But it's like the S and the s.
Speaker 6: It's like the serpent old serpent wisdom. Arias and Aquarius
Speaker 6: is the alpha and alpha connection. Aquarius is like what's
Speaker 6: completely unique about you that can't be anybody else? Like
Speaker 6: when I think about aquarium energy, I think about like
Speaker 6: Prince or like Jimmy Hendrix, like you only like nobody
Speaker 6: could be another pri It's even Bowie, like, yeah, you
Speaker 6: can be be Casino, but you're showing yourself as like
Speaker 6: you're like imitating him, right, there can never be.
Speaker 1: Another David Bowie.
Speaker 6: It's authentic because he unfolded his pattern and that was
Speaker 6: like so pure that nobody can mimic him. But like,
Speaker 6: you know, so it's like that Aquarius is like really
Speaker 6: unfolding the DNA pattern and like really pushing it out
Speaker 6: where the ares is like standing up for yourself to
Speaker 6: do it, you know, like standing up to yourself for like, hey, no,
Speaker 6: this is how I get connected to source, and you
Speaker 6: can't tell me that I'm doing it wrong.
Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna tell you you're doing it ron
Speaker 1: And I think that that's so important right now. Is
Speaker 1: like this aspect of.
Speaker 6: Like oh, you know, I kind of use the example
Speaker 6: of like the Yogi you know in like Malibu being like, oh,
Speaker 6: I don't think that's the way to do it, where
Speaker 6: like the monks in like you know, Eastern Russia could
Speaker 6: be like we don't give a fuck, Like we don't you.
Speaker 1: Can't tell us how we connect a source.
Speaker 6: We're not gonna tell you that needs to be activated
Speaker 6: right now, Like we need to stand up for like
Speaker 6: how we personally get connected to that because it's like
Speaker 6: it's coming in really really strong, especially after like these
Speaker 6: major transits that have kind of gone down that have
Speaker 6: like kind of pushed that Age of Aquarius into the
Speaker 6: next step, you know, So Age of Aquarius, it's like.
Speaker 1: We'll see, you know what I mean. Like I think
Speaker 1: it's like it's a teetering thing.
Speaker 6: We're either gonna, you know, have that aspect like where
Speaker 6: there's like this great awakening and we all elevate to
Speaker 6: the next level, or you know, back to Genesis and
Speaker 6: it's like back over in that whole kind of cycle.
Speaker 6: I think it's happened many many times before. But yeah,
Speaker 6: and I think that's what like pulls us all together
Speaker 6: in this time, you know, And it's like unique spot
Speaker 6: of like pulling all of these like unique like like
Speaker 6: perspectives research.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: I have a quock question for you, and you're talking
Speaker 4: about people following the trads of social media and TikTok
Speaker 4: and everything like that.
Speaker 3: Do you think that's causing us from hindering us from
Speaker 3: making that connection on an individual basis?
Speaker 4: Those copycats and everything else? Is how can I say
Speaker 4: making us disconnected to who we are too? The whole
Speaker 4: know thyself aspect of it.
Speaker 6: Lynn, I think you're like one hundred percent nailing that
Speaker 6: because it's exactly what it is, you know, because you know,
Speaker 6: especially at the end of an age, like we find
Speaker 6: ourselves like in the Age of Aquarius, that universal life
Speaker 6: force is like, hey, I've already like been in a
Speaker 6: factory and like did like repetitive labor for centuries. I've
Speaker 6: I've worked in the farms, I've worked from the Stone
Speaker 6: Age all the way up to this point.
Speaker 1: I've got you to the.
Speaker 6: Spot that like stuff is automated, Like there's a component
Speaker 6: that like you don't have to like watch and like
Speaker 6: you know, raise your food anymore, where all your consciousness
Speaker 6: energy is going there. Your consciousness energy right now is
Speaker 6: for creativity and like personal unfoldment, and it's seeing us
Speaker 6: in this opportunity that we have that's like a playground,
Speaker 6: Like it's really should be like spring break, no parent
Speaker 6: for like the unfoldment of yourself. And you're right, like
Speaker 6: we're mimicking. We're like this aspect of like you know,
Speaker 6: presenting somebody else. And you know, it's like the age
Speaker 6: that we're in with like moving into this aquarious age,
Speaker 6: you're like you're either going to be authentically yourself or
Speaker 6: you're going to be like the biggest poser in the world.
Speaker 1: Like there's no in between.
Speaker 6: Like it's like it's really like you have to choose
Speaker 6: it because you're not going to be able to do
Speaker 6: that like mimicking. But yeah, it turns off because we've
Speaker 6: become like robotic and we start to just you know,
Speaker 6: it's not even just like waiting for the trends, it's
Speaker 6: also waiting for permission to like what to believe it,
Speaker 6: you know, like that whole aspect of like and I
Speaker 6: just was like speaking about this, you know, like I
Speaker 6: was the crazy guy at the Thanksgiving table ten years ago.
Speaker 6: I was talking about like human trafficking and like, you know,
Speaker 6: more than just Epstein. And then like all of a sudden,
Speaker 6: like people are reaching out to me and they want
Speaker 6: to talk to me about it because Anderson Cooper now
Speaker 6: said it was okay for you to believe this, and
Speaker 6: they needed permission to believe it. It's like that sounds
Speaker 6: like a daddy issue to me, Like you need permission
Speaker 6: from an authority figure to validate what truth is even
Speaker 6: though like I presented this evidence to you ten years
Speaker 6: ago and you're like, oh, no, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: That doesn't fit my paradigm.
Speaker 6: And you know, and that's not what like the you know,
Speaker 6: Google told me when I was like, you know, taking
Speaker 6: a crap today and reading my phone so I can
Speaker 6: have something and act like I'm really smart when it's
Speaker 6: just like everybody's like reading the same crap medicine. It's like, oh,
Speaker 6: you took a crap today too, and you read that
Speaker 6: same article and people are like, yeah, I guess like
Speaker 6: there's like neuanobots in the sky and you're like, sweet dude,
Speaker 6: you know, so yeah, I think it's it's it's it's
Speaker 6: a number of it. And somebody in the comment nailed it,
Speaker 6: like hive mind, you know, like it's it's again like
Speaker 6: the beast play this aspect. It's like that component of
Speaker 6: that of that high mind and that aspect of us
Speaker 6: just like again surrendering what the whole table has been
Speaker 6: set for, Like this whole aspect of consciousness evolution has
Speaker 6: been set the table so we can like feast in
Speaker 6: this opportunity of exploring ourselves fully and and we're we're
Speaker 6: we're letting it kind of get away in this in
Speaker 6: this way of like just getting caught up by the
Speaker 6: by the Cardinal Carnival, you know, and it does it.
Speaker 6: It has lights, it's got music and stuff like this,
Speaker 6: and it's got games, but like all those games have
Speaker 6: shitty prizes, you know what I mean. Like it's like
Speaker 6: it's that same thing and and you know, it's like
Speaker 6: so funny because like we're at that spot too, where
Speaker 6: like that the generation before is like trying to pass
Speaker 6: on that shitty prize, like oh no, no, no, I
Speaker 6: guess okay, it's a teddy bear that smells like piss,
Speaker 6: but like you gotta do it.
Speaker 1: It's part of the process of being an adult.
Speaker 6: And you're like, I don't want the piss field teddy bear,
Speaker 6: like or the or the mortgage or like whatever it is,
Speaker 6: you know where it's like you got to get the
Speaker 6: college degree. Like it's just so funny how we we
Speaker 6: don't even need prison guards here because it's like, oh,
Speaker 6: we we prison ourselves.
Speaker 5: Right, I think, uh, I think to boil it all down,
Speaker 5: I would consider the Aquarium age to be a digital tribal, right,
Speaker 5: And you can either get because one of the problems
Speaker 5: with Aquarius is you can get stuck in the fantasy,
Speaker 5: or you could be more authentically yourself, and so we're
Speaker 5: seeing people sort of bifurcating those directions. You've got to
Speaker 5: remember to stay authentically you And really, if you think
Speaker 5: about the cutting edge of technology, those are the people
Speaker 5: who are authentically exploring that creativity that comes from themselves.
Speaker 5: So there's this digital tribalism aspect again bringing the tribe together,
Speaker 5: that pareto principle, like you were talking about, where you've
Speaker 5: got the eighty percent of the people following the twenty
Speaker 5: percent of the people. You're going to find that in
Speaker 5: all sorts of digital tribes, and I think the key
Speaker 5: is just to recognize it and to be able to
Speaker 5: move around where people are more authentic. I think more
Speaker 5: authentically human people are going to be far better for
Speaker 5: the coming age than going back to the fake stuff.
Speaker 2: Yea, I see like a lot of accounts. I mean
Speaker 2: even to the point where these people like twitching and
Speaker 2: speaking in tongues, you know, and they got like you
Speaker 2: got a huge following, and you see, it's unfortunate. I'm
Speaker 2: just gonna keep it real. It's mostly women, you know.
Speaker 2: They're totally cheerleading and they do group things and everybody's
Speaker 2: fucking falling on the floor gyrate and this and that,
Speaker 2: and it's just like, yo, like what the fuck do
Speaker 2: you think's going on right now? Like like for real,
Speaker 2: it's like you you poured into someone's bullshit game and
Speaker 2: now you're just mimicking it, Like you don't even know
Speaker 2: who the fuck you are because you're trying to You're
Speaker 2: trying to be a duplicate of this fucking insane person
Speaker 2: that it's got you worshiping them. It's very weird.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, absolutely, Advisor.
Speaker 2: I noticed a few of them today and I was like, Oh,
Speaker 2: what the fuck is this? Like there's one or two
Speaker 2: I followed like literally for ships and giggles because I'm
Speaker 2: like this chicks and mess. But a couple of the
Speaker 2: ones just showed up today and I was like, what
Speaker 2: the fuck? Crazy?
Speaker 4: Sorry, I have a quick question. Do you believe that
Speaker 4: it's the lack of knowing? This is in general? This
Speaker 4: is how I view it. The lack of knowing oneself
Speaker 4: is the reason why people are so easy to give
Speaker 4: their power over, you know.
Speaker 6: I I think it's I think it's a it's a
Speaker 6: huge part of it, you know. I think it's it's
Speaker 6: it's that aspect of like, you know, I think it
Speaker 6: like the knowing thyself. It all kind of to me,
Speaker 6: it kind of comes down to like spiritual amnesia. Like
Speaker 6: it's we we forget, we forget what we are, We
Speaker 6: forget like who we are, we forget that like I'm
Speaker 6: an embodiment of that universal life force and you're an
Speaker 6: embodiment of that universal life force. No, at the core,
Speaker 6: we're the same energy. And it's like it's its aspect
Speaker 6: of like that component of like like almost like remembering
Speaker 6: to rea remember.
Speaker 1: Not to forget.
Speaker 6: It's like the aspect that we forget who we are
Speaker 6: and we just we have these processes of like falling
Speaker 6: back into human and it's when when you're in that
Speaker 6: human we kind of get into that robotic thing because
Speaker 6: like you know, with us all together, like you know,
Speaker 6: we could like understand that like, oh yeah, we have
Speaker 6: an eternal soul and we're animating an avatar going through
Speaker 6: this like spiritual construct for experience, and we could understand
Speaker 6: that there's like parts of ourself that like there's a
Speaker 6: part of ourself that like remembers like our first memory,
Speaker 6: and then there's like that deeper part of ourself that
Speaker 6: like doesn't remember, not remember it like it remembers like
Speaker 6: everything kind of thing, right, and that's like.
Speaker 1: That core source that's within us.
Speaker 6: It's just so easy to forget, you know, like it's
Speaker 6: so easy to forget that like you are it, experiencing it,
Speaker 6: You are the universal life force. Like you know, we
Speaker 6: did a whole episode once on Hide and Seek and
Speaker 6: it was like you're it chasing it and then it's
Speaker 6: chasing you.
Speaker 1: And that's what this whole thing is.
Speaker 6: It's like this interplay of this like amazing kind of
Speaker 6: component that we forget about. And when you forget about that,
Speaker 6: you don't you don't get that motivation to find that
Speaker 6: universal life force. How it's how it's like expressing itself
Speaker 6: within you. You just get pulled down into the into
Speaker 6: the mud. And it really is like at this kind
Speaker 6: of component of like this age, it's like we're densit.
Speaker 6: Like there's densification happening, you know. And I think that
Speaker 6: that's what's so like like a really fascinating thing about
Speaker 6: like how the perspective of consciousness evolves over time. Like
Speaker 6: we think that the ancients viewed reality in like what
Speaker 6: was happening in their life, like through their lens exactly
Speaker 6: like we do. But it's like no, this we've gone
Speaker 6: through a densification in materialism that like our world has
Speaker 6: become more structurized, it's become more like concrete, and so
Speaker 6: like when you look at things like this aspect of
Speaker 6: like how they even really had a relationship with time
Speaker 6: in the past and like why they saw gnomes and
Speaker 6: things like that, it's because like that was part of
Speaker 6: their perspective, and it's it always goes through this like
Speaker 6: dilation process as you kind of go.
Speaker 1: It's it's almost like that.
Speaker 6: Idea of like why we even need to like break
Speaker 6: down spiritual concepts more and more as we go through
Speaker 6: an age because we no longer can understand it in
Speaker 6: its wholeness. Like it was like people could see God
Speaker 6: in plants, they could see God and other people. It
Speaker 6: was undeniable, Like there was no there was no room.
Speaker 1: For atheism back then because it was as a.
Speaker 6: Material of a world we're in where we live in
Speaker 6: a very material world that's gone through like a lot
Speaker 6: of like calcination and densification, you know, because of like
Speaker 6: collective trauma and even just like the cooling down of
Speaker 6: the process as it goes through time. And so you know,
Speaker 6: I think that that's like a big result of it
Speaker 6: is people like don't understand these like ancient understandings of
Speaker 6: like it's actually really great wisdom because they're giving you
Speaker 6: a lens in a perspective that like you don't have.
Speaker 6: Like they could dilate time in the past different than
Speaker 6: we could. They could speed up moments, they can close
Speaker 6: it down where we live in a very like consistent
Speaker 6: timeline that we're in right now. It goes through a
Speaker 6: process like everything else goes through an evolution. So I
Speaker 6: think it's like really comes down to like forgetting, like
Speaker 6: forgetting to remember who you are.
Speaker 1: And it's so simple, you know.
Speaker 6: Like that's another thing is it's like it's also simple,
Speaker 6: like when you get down to it, it's just like, oh,
Speaker 6: you know, you are that universal life force like animating
Speaker 6: itself in the pod which is payable on death, and
Speaker 6: your soul is like is like recording everything. Your spirit
Speaker 6: is amplifying it. And then when it's time to go,
Speaker 6: the pod gets recycled back to Mother Earth and she
Speaker 6: takes it and like recycles the clay and the soul
Speaker 6: and the spirit move on to like you know what
Speaker 6: comes next, and they move on without like all of
Speaker 6: the trauma and the hurt and the pain that you
Speaker 6: went through because the body takes it, and that's like
Speaker 6: what the sacrifice of the body does.
Speaker 1: It goes down to do. So the soul and the
Speaker 1: spirit move on with like the wisdom we forget that stuff.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: We probably we all forget too that.
Speaker 6: We were probably all chilling before we put this headset on,
Speaker 6: and we were probably like in this spiritual realm and
Speaker 6: we're like, oh yeah, it's like ten minutes in the
Speaker 6: spot that we're going to and we're like, oh, we're
Speaker 6: gonna live like three hundred lives and like they person
Speaker 6: even told us like you're gonna forget, and like.
Speaker 1: Oh, we'll be fine, And now we're here like trying
Speaker 1: to remember, you know. And so yeah, it's.
Speaker 6: Obviously like you know, knowing thyself and and like knowing
Speaker 6: too the aspect of like you know I and I,
Speaker 6: which is like my favorite Rastafarian wisdom, which is like
Speaker 6: I see the universal life force in you. It's the
Speaker 6: same as the one that's in me. It's like I
Speaker 6: and I, and it's how they approach everything. And you
Speaker 6: start doing that, the whole world changes. You know, you stop,
Speaker 6: like there's no like you don't put pain to somebody
Speaker 6: because like their pain is your pain and seeing that
Speaker 6: kind of connectedness and so yeah, at the core of
Speaker 6: it is like the component of like knowing thyself, but
Speaker 6: it really is it's this, it's this like interesting aspect
Speaker 6: of like.
Speaker 1: How that kind of unfolds. And two, like I'm so sorry,
Speaker 1: Lam because like I definitely am on like some kind
Speaker 1: of spectrum for like ADHD. So if I didn't could
Speaker 1: completely answer your question, I apologize.
Speaker 2: But but ye.
Speaker 1: See I knew I was in good company.
Speaker 6: That's why I was like, this felt like more like
Speaker 6: a homecoming. When you asked me to be on it,
Speaker 6: I was like, oh, like I'm coming home.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought that was awesome when you told me,
Speaker 2: You're like, holy shit, dude, I just got to listen.
Speaker 2: I was like what they I was just like.
Speaker 1: Just like second time listening to the library.
Speaker 6: I'm told episode and that guy is that guys man,
Speaker 6: that guy's from a different timeline.
Speaker 2: He's he's got another topic for the show. Actually, he
Speaker 2: texted me since since the show has been going, Yeah,
Speaker 2: he wanted me to come on his show on Wednesday,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, fuck, I can't, dude. Nice yeah, schedule
Speaker 2: a different day, but yeah.
Speaker 6: No, that's so so cool and and to you know,
Speaker 6: I wanted to express that, I it's so awesome how
Speaker 6: like open you've created this space to bring on so
Speaker 6: many esoteric researchers and individual I was like, it's it's
Speaker 6: like it's so important to like again make this kind
Speaker 6: of community and make this connection. Because when I was
Speaker 6: first getting into like even like alternative history and stuff
Speaker 6: like that, I would be like there'd be like these
Speaker 6: pillars of like my main teachers and they would just
Speaker 6: all talk shit about the other one.
Speaker 1: It was just like I don't want to name names,
Speaker 1: but I was always like, oh, I really like his
Speaker 1: work and like oh now he took this from me,
Speaker 1: and it's like and so like yeah, I just think
Speaker 1: it's like so so important.
Speaker 2: That like that goes on a lot in ceremonial magic.
Speaker 2: I hate the same ceremonial magic, Penny.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like you should just like you have
Speaker 1: to sharpen your gat somebody with it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, for sure, for they say release the ego,
Speaker 4: but that's yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: No, absolutely they hooked it up to like h yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: they amplify it. I think absolutely, absolutely you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that whole aspect.
Speaker 6: But yeah, I just think it's it's so amazing of
Speaker 6: like how many people you bring on and just even
Speaker 6: to the to like help people understand that, Like you
Speaker 6: don't have to like one hundred percent agree with like
Speaker 6: everything that somebody says, like to work with them and
Speaker 6: connect with them, Like I one hundred percent sure that
Speaker 6: nobody in the audience.
Speaker 1: It's like one hundred percent agree with that new guy, like.
Speaker 2: Noven with me? Absolutely, yeah, abody to I have some
Speaker 2: crazy thoughts.
Speaker 6: Exactly absolutely, you know, And so like it's but I
Speaker 6: think it's so important because I think people are like, oh,
Speaker 6: you don't fill in like all of the bubbles. It's
Speaker 6: like it almost feels like a standardized test. Sometimes you're like, oh, yeah, no,
Speaker 6: you know that's not going to work.
Speaker 3: Our feelings the point because it's supposed to be exchange
Speaker 3: of information and helping.
Speaker 4: Each other grow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because if we're all connected and we're all connected
Speaker 3: to the source, each of us have a piece of
Speaker 3: the puzzle, how are you going to saw the puzzle
Speaker 3: if we don't share m.
Speaker 6: Hm m m Yeah, no, absolutely, And it's so interesting
Speaker 6: too because it's like once you share your piece of
Speaker 6: the puzzle just by me like listening and taking in
Speaker 6: it like opens up a piece of the puzzle inside
Speaker 6: of me and brings it up. And then the thing
Speaker 6: is is that it might not happen in the immediate
Speaker 6: It might be like two weeks down the road.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: I have to be insight, you know.
Speaker 6: But it's like you're always planting seeds that are gonna
Speaker 6: have these like other you know, other unfoldments. And I
Speaker 6: think that's also what's interesting about like working in the esoteric,
Speaker 6: because you you're planting seeds and some people that like
Speaker 6: they're not even going to like relate that that was
Speaker 6: the seed that was planted years ago that they have
Speaker 6: that deep insight on. But I think that's like that's
Speaker 6: why we do the work, you know, and that's why
Speaker 6: we have these kind of conversations. It's like it's always
Speaker 6: planting seeds, and.
Speaker 2: Oh, there's a lot of stuff. There's a lot of
Speaker 2: stuff I'm covering myself that I think laid it down
Speaker 2: the road will actually, yeah, be more useful because I
Speaker 2: think it'll become more of an accepted idea, especially with
Speaker 2: a lot of the science and physiology I cover. I
Speaker 2: do think eventually science this is going to catch up
Speaker 2: a little bit more to magic and be able to
Speaker 2: explain a little bit more, you know, and I think, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I told you three years ago.
Speaker 1: So funny.
Speaker 5: Yeah, all of this is sort of pointing in one direction. So, uh,
Speaker 5: let's talk about being and becoming. So we've started out
Speaker 5: with sort of know thyself, be thyself, and then there's
Speaker 5: the alchemy of becoming and the phases that are changing
Speaker 5: sort of from one place to the next. So how
Speaker 5: have you integrated alchemy into your spiritual work?
Speaker 6: Yeah, and you know that was actually that was actually
Speaker 6: like what got us like because it was kind of
Speaker 6: interesting when we started the podcast. It was right when
Speaker 6: like everybody was grounded with the whole thing that happened
Speaker 6: in like twenty twenty and I was, I like just
Speaker 6: sold my food trucks like twenty minutes before COVID happened.
Speaker 1: It was like the craziest insight he teaching ever.
Speaker 6: Like I just like woke up and it was like
Speaker 6: almost like in Forrest Gump when he like stops running,
Speaker 6: He's like, I think I'm gonna go home now.
Speaker 1: I just like called my business partner and I'm like
Speaker 1: I think I'm done. He's like really, you know. I'm like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I'm done. Sold mys like sold my shares.
Speaker 6: And then like that night, I'm like eating at a
Speaker 6: restaurant and they're talking about like Corona on the TV
Speaker 6: and I'm like, Oh, that's the worst Mexican beer and
Speaker 6: I'm like making fun of it, and the guy next
Speaker 6: to me he's like, no, it's just like dose.
Speaker 1: These nus called me, and I'm like, what are you
Speaker 1: talking about. I was like so disconnected from it, like
Speaker 1: being in the restaurants, and.
Speaker 6: So I was just kind of like just chilling with
Speaker 6: nothing to do after like that component, because like there
Speaker 6: was no jobs or anything. And my my buddy Eduardo
Speaker 6: was like, hey, dude, you like like the esoteric, like
Speaker 6: why don't we start a podcast?
Speaker 1: And I was like yeah, sure man, but like what's
Speaker 1: a podcast? Right?
Speaker 6: And so when it started, it was like, Oh, we're
Speaker 6: just going to like do this for like the time
Speaker 6: being kind of thing, and like like there's still people
Speaker 6: that like we grew up with that have like no
Speaker 6: idea we have a podcast.
Speaker 1: Like it's like like majority of the.
Speaker 6: People I know, they don't even know that me and
Speaker 6: Eduardo have this podcast, so it's like it's just like
Speaker 6: interesting kind of thing. So we thought it was just
Speaker 6: going to be like, oh, we're going to kind of
Speaker 6: like have these conversations for a little bit. And and
Speaker 6: then we like approached alchemy because that was like my
Speaker 6: my my biggest subject at the time, and like the
Speaker 6: seven steps of.
Speaker 1: Alchemy and that is like what skyrocketed does.
Speaker 6: It was like it was almost like I don't even
Speaker 6: know like what you call it, like the the the
Speaker 6: wave and the pattern of like social media, like alchemy
Speaker 6: like was like hoppin' at that moment and it's just
Speaker 6: like caught and then all of a sudden, like we
Speaker 6: have like downloads and people are like like really digging
Speaker 6: the things. And so alchemy for us is like it's
Speaker 6: kind of like the uh, the genesis of the whole
Speaker 6: project of like actually making it into this thing that's
Speaker 6: like kind of been like my career now that I
Speaker 6: do like natal charts and alchemical counseling through it. And
Speaker 6: alchemy is so important because it's it gives you an
Speaker 6: order of operations. It's like it's like this is the process.
Speaker 6: Now it's gonna be unique to you and it's not
Speaker 6: gonna have the same qualities and things like this, but
Speaker 6: like it's gonna go in these steps. And you know,
Speaker 6: I realized in alchemy very early on the first step
Speaker 6: is calcination with this fire.
Speaker 1: Second step is dissolution.
Speaker 6: I was either burning in my own hell or I
Speaker 6: was like drownding in my own like you know, great
Speaker 6: flood forty year flood. And I would just go back
Speaker 6: and forth between one and two, one and two, and
Speaker 6: it was like, once I saw that there was like
Speaker 6: a third and fourth step, you could start to like
Speaker 6: nurture this process and understand.
Speaker 1: But it doesn't. It gives you a map of meaning.
Speaker 1: It gives you an understanding of like the process you're in,
Speaker 1: and it allows you to like sit and like hold
Speaker 1: space for that process. You know, Like it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm in the water sign right now, I gotta cry.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna be like a little bit, like my little
Speaker 6: older self would be like you're being a little bit
Speaker 6: right now, but like I got to cry this out,
Speaker 6: like this is the time for water and I need
Speaker 6: to release all.
Speaker 1: That water, you know, the time and fire.
Speaker 6: I got to burn everything that's like, you know, that's
Speaker 6: externally falsified in myself and so that alchemical process I
Speaker 6: think is so important because it's it's just been something
Speaker 6: like know thyself that like was just kind of hijacked
Speaker 6: and made into like all these aspects of like the
Speaker 6: whole industry of self development and self help books.
Speaker 1: They're just like cherry picking in ciphering.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 6: And the thing is is they only like highlight like
Speaker 6: two of the steps, you know what I mean, So like, yeah,
Speaker 6: it's well, I like your response.
Speaker 1: I'm always always down to here what the cardinals got
Speaker 1: to say?
Speaker 2: No, I think you totally know that. I mean I
Speaker 2: think even Headless got that right away too, when he
Speaker 2: saw the look of his face. Yeah, you take like
Speaker 2: one or two of those things that you run with it,
Speaker 2: like you all of a sudden you got some new
Speaker 2: thing to start selling people. And it's like, yo, even occultists,
Speaker 2: I'll even I'll throw like Crowley Blovatsky in there. And
Speaker 2: although one since then, a lot of the times they're
Speaker 2: just ripping off people from the past. People forgot about.
Speaker 1: Oh one hundred percent.
Speaker 6: And I think that's what makes me so crazy when
Speaker 6: like people are like even like nowadays they're like, oh,
Speaker 6: you took that, Like that's like our information is like
Speaker 6: esoteric information is not yours, it's none of us. It's
Speaker 6: coming through us, and like we're honored to be.
Speaker 1: A vessel of it. Like yeah, yeah, I don't know
Speaker 1: any of them, you know, like I'll own.
Speaker 6: Maybe like something like I say on the podcast, like
Speaker 6: when I say like rap burgers or something like, that's
Speaker 6: not the esoteric, that's like Shenanigan's right, Like I'll own that.
Speaker 1: But none of the information is mine kind of thing.
Speaker 1: It's just coming through us.
Speaker 6: And dude, you're so right, because like there's even like
Speaker 6: an astrology like ninety percent of the astrology books are
Speaker 6: just like copying Linda Goldman's like book from the nineteen seventies,
Speaker 6: you know, and it's just like it's just like.
Speaker 1: Copy and paste, copy and paste.
Speaker 6: It's like, yeah, here's the here's the key words, here's
Speaker 6: the descriptions, and it's just like wow, like it's just
Speaker 6: like almost like word for a word, and you're one
Speaker 6: hundred percent right, you know. So I think that's what's
Speaker 6: so nice when you do get somebody who puts like
Speaker 6: an authentic lens on it, you know, and kind of
Speaker 6: tries to like give that again that like the unique
Speaker 6: relationship that they have with it rather than just like yeah,
Speaker 6: kind of like re re repopulating and.
Speaker 1: Recopying, you know.
Speaker 2: You know when we were talking about I guess like
Speaker 2: kind of like knowing yourself or like Judith was even
Speaker 2: getting into maybe taking on other people's personalities as personas
Speaker 2: or whatever being influenced. You think, like I often think
Speaker 2: from my own experience, and I wonder if like that
Speaker 2: was even something Crally maybe understood. It was his experience.
Speaker 2: And when I came to think that I knew my will,
Speaker 2: you know, when I believe I came to understand my will,
Speaker 2: there was nobody else that I was looking to anymore,
Speaker 2: like I was going to be my original self in
Speaker 2: a sense, you know, And I really don't think that
Speaker 2: really truly happened for me until I had an experience
Speaker 2: it made me think that I've come to understand my will.
Speaker 2: So I wonder if that is even like with something
Speaker 2: of his to kind of give people like liberation or
Speaker 2: freedom in a sense. Mm hmmm hmm. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: even from like other things or influence.
Speaker 1: M hm oh no, absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 6: And you know, the will is like the will is
Speaker 6: such a powerful thing because it's like it's either gonna
Speaker 6: work for you or it's gonna work against you.
Speaker 1: You know, the will and like astrology is like.
Speaker 6: Represented by by Mars, and like the story at Robinhood
Speaker 6: is actually about that because like Robinhood only becomes a
Speaker 6: thief when the false king is in rulership because the
Speaker 6: real king, the real king goes down to the Crusades,
Speaker 6: So the real king is gone, which is like your
Speaker 6: neo cortex of like the left side and the right
Speaker 6: side of your brain, like in harmony, so like it
Speaker 6: rules from the like the trianute brain, so you have
Speaker 6: like it's like a hierarchy of like the highest point
Speaker 6: is ruling the middle point in the middle points way
Speaker 6: in the lower point. It's like the aspect of the
Speaker 6: alchemical brain. Well, the false king is there, and so
Speaker 6: that's why he becomes a robber and he starts to
Speaker 6: do it. Your will and your mars energy will do
Speaker 6: the same thing. Like if your will and your mars
Speaker 6: is not fighting for the true king, it's rebelling against
Speaker 6: the false king, which is like where you have and
Speaker 6: so it will be accidents, it will be you know, struggles,
Speaker 6: it will be like arguments and stuff like that. It
Speaker 6: will be those times like you're in the shower and
Speaker 6: being like, oh I should have said this shit, and
Speaker 6: you're like that's so stupid, Like why am I doing that?
Speaker 6: That was twelve years ago, and like that kid is
Speaker 6: like why I'm not in the eighth grade anymore? Why
Speaker 6: am I thinking about that? Like that's that kind of component.
Speaker 6: But that's exactly what robin Hood is based off. It's
Speaker 6: based off of like Mars being like, hey, I'm either
Speaker 6: going to serve you as like your ultimate soldier and
Speaker 6: your ultimate direction, or I'm going to do what I'm
Speaker 6: supposed to do as a soldier and like rebel against
Speaker 6: the false king because like that's what I'm supposed to do.
Speaker 1: And it's it's like primal like that because it's Mars.
Speaker 6: It's like it doesn't take any aspect of like oh,
Speaker 6: I'm sorry you're confused about this. It's like I'm an
Speaker 6: input output system. I'm either like fighting, you know, I'm
Speaker 6: either like pushing forward so you can have a direction
Speaker 6: and you can step through doorways and like understand how
Speaker 6: you're going to move through this life and like you know,
Speaker 6: navigate it, or I'm gonna like I'm going to attack
Speaker 6: you and I'm going to attack you in so many,
Speaker 6: so many ways, and Mars can be brutal, you know.
Speaker 2: It definitely sounds like an areas.
Speaker 1: You know, and we got so much of that energy
Speaker 1: going on right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, I'm in Aries. That makes sense, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, you know. It's funny that I've I've
Speaker 2: never really been big for you know, like always using uh,
Speaker 2: I guess zodiac symbols to define people's personalities. But like,
Speaker 2: because I know of all this ship going on in
Speaker 2: Aries in April, I've been paying more attention to it,
Speaker 2: and so you get a lot of these accounts that
Speaker 2: always like doing these whole like personalized personality and I
Speaker 2: was like, god, damn, like I really do fit aries.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, I was like that's kind of bag, Like fine, no,
Speaker 2: it's it's interesting.
Speaker 1: No, it's interesting.
Speaker 6: And like you know too, you're you've got a sun sign,
Speaker 6: you got a moon sign, you got a rising sign.
Speaker 6: All the planets are in a sign, so it's you're
Speaker 6: you're a makeup of like all of them. But like
Speaker 6: Aries is like hay fire energy. So if you have
Speaker 6: like your sun sign and aries, it could burn right
Speaker 6: and it could get your.
Speaker 2: Your I'm a Leo Moon and a Leo Rising as well.
Speaker 2: I'm all, phones, yeah, you're fun.
Speaker 6: But that makes like complete sense with like how this
Speaker 6: like not only like how the show operates, but like
Speaker 6: how you're a badass when it comes to like what
Speaker 6: you say, like it's it's I think it's really refreshing
Speaker 6: because like you've always like said how you felt and
Speaker 6: authentically kind of stood by it, and that like Leo
Speaker 6: Moon is also why you showcase other people and you
Speaker 6: bring them on the thing. It's not just like oh me,
Speaker 6: me me that Leo mean like really allows to you,
Speaker 6: you to see like light and potential with others and
Speaker 6: so but yeah you got some cool fire energy man.
Speaker 2: Definitely.
Speaker 1: Oh no, absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 6: But but yeah, I think too, like there's a lot
Speaker 6: of like I hear a lot of like spiritual bypassing
Speaker 6: that comes through like astrology too, because people are like,
Speaker 6: it's okay if I cheat because like I'm a Scorpio
Speaker 6: and you're like, no, I don't think that's.
Speaker 2: Don't even get me going on that. Yeah that's a
Speaker 2: whole like being promiscuous because I'm a Scorpio. Oh sure,
Speaker 2: I could you the same fucking excuse And they don't.
Speaker 1: Oh, for sure, anybody can, like you always can like
Speaker 1: manipulate something.
Speaker 2: You know, I mean technically she's just a female aspect
Speaker 2: of those.
Speaker 1: Sure for sure. For sure.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's like as entertaining as I'm also like, I
Speaker 6: don't know if you guys noticed it, but like how
Speaker 6: the community is almost like addicted to healing, Like they
Speaker 6: never get out of the healing stage, like it's just
Speaker 6: like I got to heal.
Speaker 2: It's always yeah, yeah, especially especially the people who are
Speaker 2: trying to sell you a cure to heal you. I
Speaker 2: couldn't help you heal your trauma, but it'll always be
Speaker 2: un resolve So like what the am I going to be?
Speaker 1: It's always going to be resolved. Yeah, And it's like
Speaker 1: this conference, but at the end of it, it's you.
Speaker 2: Still have more trauma, believe me. Yeah, like fuck.
Speaker 1: You're broken. Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 5: Find a lot of people seeking out spiritual knowledge and
Speaker 5: spiritual healing when they're at their lowest point, and so
Speaker 5: we're we're not seeing them at their highest point because
Speaker 5: you know, at their highest point, they're not seeking out
Speaker 5: that sort of spiritual healing, so you kind of get
Speaker 5: stuck in that sort of healing cycle. They know who
Speaker 5: their target audience is. And so if you're constantly healing,
Speaker 5: you're constantly coming back for more. But there has to
Speaker 5: be that sort of transformation out of that healing process
Speaker 5: back to that victorious process.
Speaker 6: Absolutely no, And again the headless like that's I think
Speaker 6: what you were like kind of brought up about the
Speaker 6: alchemical process earlier, because it like takes you through that
Speaker 6: and it guides you through that and it gives you
Speaker 6: the sealing the season of healing, and then it gives
Speaker 6: you like the season of rebirth, you know. But yeah,
Speaker 6: I think it's I think it's one of those things
Speaker 6: that like you can almost like get addicted. It's just
Speaker 6: like spiritual bypassing is just it's like it's just like
Speaker 6: such it's like almost like the Medusa ahead Like it's
Speaker 6: like once you cut it off, it's just like it
Speaker 6: grows too more and it's it gets like more complicated
Speaker 6: and things like that. So you know, And again I'm
Speaker 6: like obviously not gonna like ever throw stones at anybody
Speaker 6: in that kind of way, because I'm sure there's so
Speaker 6: much that I do in that kind of way, but
Speaker 6: just observing it and being aware of it of like
Speaker 6: how that kind of unfolds. It's it really makes those
Speaker 6: like mythology's like kind of come alive and you're like, damn,
Speaker 6: like am I on the Odyssey?
Speaker 1: Like where where am I in that book? You know?
Speaker 5: The honestly, we're all in it. I think that's the
Speaker 5: that's the key that everyone needs to remember, is like
Speaker 5: there doesn't have to be a main character to the
Speaker 5: whole thing. We're all kind of the main character. And
Speaker 5: unless we kind of recognize ourselves as being that valuable
Speaker 5: part of the bigger puzzle, we'll never really accept ourselves.
Speaker 5: And you know that self acceptance is a big part
Speaker 5: of the final process of yeah, turning into gold, you.
Speaker 6: Know, yeah, absolutely, yeah. I think I can't remember who
Speaker 6: said it, but they brought it down. It's like, oh,
Speaker 6: you're in the Truman Show and you're Truman and you're
Speaker 6: everybody else.
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, that's a great way to
Speaker 1: put it. Like you know, you are it, and you're.
Speaker 6: Also playing the character of somebody else's aspect, you know,
Speaker 6: and but yeah, you're it, you're Triven, and you're everybody
Speaker 6: else that's involved in it. And like I think that's
Speaker 6: like exactly like kind of represents like what you were
Speaker 6: just kind of saying and like understanding.
Speaker 5: That right, right, it's a big recycling game. But I think, uh,
Speaker 5: once people can start to handle that, they can start
Speaker 5: to handle each other a little bit better. And that's
Speaker 5: that's that's where we should be headed.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: It's like it doesn't always have to be constant conflict.
Speaker 5: You are going to have conflicts arise, But how you
Speaker 5: deal with that, how you react, is be the thing that's.
Speaker 3: Different and that takes growth, which is something that most
Speaker 3: people don't want to do because they're afraid that's going
Speaker 3: to make them put them outside the circle of the collective.
Speaker 2: And then and then again that goes back to wanting
Speaker 2: to pretty much mimic others in that being your true
Speaker 2: self sometimes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, vicious cycles.
Speaker 6: Well yeah, and I think too, because it's like, you know,
Speaker 6: I think again too that like the aspect of like
Speaker 6: spirituality in the beginning is like cupcakes and rainbows, but
Speaker 6: like you don't go into spirituality to make your life easy.
Speaker 6: It's like it's not gonna like you're you're starting to
Speaker 6: notice this reality. So this reality is gonna start noticing you.
Speaker 6: It's going to dilate it, you know, and when you're
Speaker 6: on autopilot and you're like, you know, really whispering with
Speaker 6: like that component of being an NPC. Well, like the
Speaker 6: reality is not noticing you. It's not dilating your experience.
Speaker 6: It's it's giving you this kind of component of like,
Speaker 6: oh you're just a cog, you know. But once you
Speaker 6: start waking up, it's it starts waking up, you know.
Speaker 6: And I think that's what's so unique about it. Like
Speaker 6: even with like like numbers and stuff like that, like
Speaker 6: getting into numerology and jamatria, you start noticing numbers, and
Speaker 6: then numbers start noticing you, and they start showing up
Speaker 6: like everywhere, you know, and out of moments, you know,
Speaker 6: and it is it's it is that interesting thing of
Speaker 6: how it's this is such a you know, a input
Speaker 6: processing output system. It's like what you put out gets
Speaker 6: processed and it's received back to you and it kind
Speaker 6: of just keeps that loop going. But yeah, just just
Speaker 6: so so interesting of like how that that path kind
Speaker 6: of unfolds.
Speaker 1: In some ways.
Speaker 5: I think we're back to it because, uh, where pisces started,
Speaker 5: you know, they kind of had to get rid of
Speaker 5: the alphanumeric coin a language, right because that was seen
Speaker 5: as being some sort of witchcraft, and now in the
Speaker 5: age of aquaries, we're back to it with all of
Speaker 5: this numbers being letters with binary code, right, So it's
Speaker 5: almost like there's almost no way around these kind of
Speaker 5: cycles of history when it comes to numbers and letters
Speaker 5: and how things pop out to the individuals and how
Speaker 5: things are determined through a society. I see everybody with
Speaker 5: the Conspiracy podcast always pointing out these these numbers like
Speaker 5: thirty three. Oh, I see it, thirty three. I see
Speaker 5: it thirty three, But there's very little understanding of what
Speaker 5: these things actually mean and how they apply to everybody.
Speaker 5: Figuring that stuff out could be a lifelong process. But
Speaker 5: what are your thoughts on numerology?
Speaker 6: Oh, you know, I think it's I think it's like,
Speaker 6: you know, it's kind of the same thought I have
Speaker 6: in astrology. It's like, hey, this can be the prison
Speaker 6: se or this can be like it can help you
Speaker 6: like liberate from the prison. It's a neutral kind of field.
Speaker 1: I think that.
Speaker 6: Numbers, though, the study of numbers has amplified all my
Speaker 6: other studies in like a rate that like I never
Speaker 6: understood it was. It was kind of like the last
Speaker 6: subject I got into. It started alchemy, tarot astrology, and
Speaker 6: I finally made my way to numbers, and like, learning
Speaker 6: numbers made me such a better astrologer.
Speaker 1: It made me so much better with the.
Speaker 6: Tarot because it is it's like it's the it's the
Speaker 6: lowest common denominator of like this frequency in this kind
Speaker 6: of vibration, and it does it takes it down to
Speaker 6: like that language of the universe. But like kind of
Speaker 6: like I kind of see it as that component of
Speaker 6: like almost like a gnostic idea, Like the matrix in
Speaker 6: the demiurge is coded in numbers, but there's also an organic,
Speaker 6: organic aspect of numbers unfolding, and that's just like the
Speaker 6: aspects of nature, you know. So yeah, I think numbers
Speaker 6: are so so powerful and man, when you just connected headless,
Speaker 6: when you connected the aspect of like taking away the
Speaker 6: alphanumeric language, I think that has such a big deal
Speaker 6: to do with like why Pisces people were so deceived
Speaker 6: and like we're able to have this thing of like
Speaker 6: all these variations of.
Speaker 1: Like Bibles getting rewritten and rewritten. You know, it was
Speaker 1: like they lost the quantity quality aspect of like finding
Speaker 1: actually like number value to words, and it became separated,
Speaker 1: and man, I never even thought about that, but that's
Speaker 1: you're you're completely right, that dissolved in the age of Pisces.
Speaker 5: Well, it occurred to me. You've got this number forty
Speaker 5: reoccurring over and over again in the in the Bible. Right,
Speaker 5: Forty is where you take the five ratio and divide
Speaker 5: that into sixty five, and sixty five is this number
Speaker 5: of completion, right, so you're completing the cycle at sixty
Speaker 5: five when you divide or sixty four when you divide
Speaker 5: that by one point six, you get forty, which would
Speaker 5: be you know, the number of struggle. And we even
Speaker 5: see today then Yahoose, we've had forty days of fighting
Speaker 5: in Lebanon. It's like he's calling back to the same
Speaker 5: kind of out from America code that are stuff right
Speaker 5: in the Bible. And you know, it's always that forty
Speaker 5: day cycle that is, or forty year cycle or all
Speaker 5: of these things that have to do with the suffering
Speaker 5: in this certain amount of time and then oh, we're
Speaker 5: coming out of that. And so it becomes a real
Speaker 5: easy way of encoding these same stories over and over
Speaker 5: and over again.
Speaker 6: M m oh absolutely, absolutely, you know, and and there
Speaker 6: is there's like I don't know if you guys have
Speaker 6: ever gone like down the rabbit hole of like some
Speaker 6: of these like Jamatria decoders and stuff like that, and
Speaker 6: they're brilliant. Like I don't know if he's ever like
Speaker 6: been on the tool like Jamatrinator, which is a jamatriy calculatory.
Speaker 1: Really really amazing tool.
Speaker 6: Like reading uh, reading his blog, it's just like kind
Speaker 6: of blows your mind in those kind of ways. But
Speaker 6: like you know, it's it's really fascinating though, because like
Speaker 6: they are coding our reality with numbers.
Speaker 1: Like why it's like why.
Speaker 6: They're going to get the Super Bowl to end on
Speaker 6: a certain number, It's because you're all going to talk
Speaker 6: about that look at that number, and you're going to
Speaker 6: activate it for like whatever.
Speaker 1: They're like growing in the aspect of the future, you know.
Speaker 6: And and I think that that's also like this awareness
Speaker 6: that like there's a synthetic aspect of Jamatria and there's
Speaker 6: an organic aspect of Jamatria, and I think people confuse
Speaker 6: them as the same thing, you know, And it's just
Speaker 6: like no, if it's got a lot of rituals, if
Speaker 6: it's got a lot of actors involved, and it has
Speaker 6: to like be built up over time, that's a synthetic one.
Speaker 6: And over time, even though they might collapse the wave,
Speaker 6: it will kind of unfold as like a mistruth, like
Speaker 6: it was like, oh, that wasn't true, where like organic
Speaker 6: is it follows the Fibonacci, It follows all these things
Speaker 6: that you're talking about, Like you know, organic always unfolds
Speaker 6: and blossoms on the right day because.
Speaker 1: It follows that like patterning.
Speaker 6: And I think that that's like a huge thing because
Speaker 6: I think people look at this like aspect of like
Speaker 6: Jamatria and they're like, oh, it's the wrath of God
Speaker 6: and you're like, no, it's the demiurge like maintaining the matrix,
Speaker 6: you know. But that universal life force, like that true
Speaker 6: source will speak to you through numbers as well, because
Speaker 6: it'll speak to you through everything, right, But like it's
Speaker 6: it's that like fascinating kind of component of Like again,
Speaker 6: I think it's just like really like connecting in an
Speaker 6: aquarius kind of thing of like connecting.
Speaker 1: These even these like concepts together.
Speaker 6: Like you know, you can't really understand Jamatria anymore in
Speaker 6: isolation without understanding like a little bit of astrology a
Speaker 6: little bit of like you know, gnosticism and things like that.
Speaker 6: Like I think that's almost what we're supposed to be
Speaker 6: doing too, is like networking all of these things together,
Speaker 6: because like you know, two hundred years ago or even
Speaker 6: one hundred years ago, you wouldn't have access to know
Speaker 6: like what a Buddhist monk was studying or what like
Speaker 6: siderial astrology was, because you would only have access to
Speaker 6: like the astrology that was like in your hometown. You know,
Speaker 6: that's all you were expected to know. Well, now we're
Speaker 6: in the age of Aquarius. It's like yeah, it's like again,
Speaker 6: it's like there's no borders.
Speaker 1: It's like you you are. You have like no curfew
Speaker 1: and like no backyard.
Speaker 2: Just in some times.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, this is something I love to bring up.
Speaker 5: This is Benford's law. I don't know if you've ever
Speaker 5: heard of this, but this is what the IRS uses
Speaker 5: to find out if you're cheating on your taxes. Because
Speaker 5: natural numbers have a certain amount of frequency when they
Speaker 5: show up, right, So the highest frequency of ones in
Speaker 5: the first position on any number is going to be
Speaker 5: at about thirty two percent higher than the other frequency.
Speaker 5: So you can actually plug any number thirty one point
Speaker 5: or thirty point one percent. You could plug any number
Speaker 5: into Benford's law and figure out if it's organic or
Speaker 5: if it was humanly made because humans don't really know
Speaker 5: about Benford's law. So if you're getting natural numbers, it's
Speaker 5: going to probably have a high percentage of probability to
Speaker 5: go along with Benford's law. This is like the natural
Speaker 5: qualitative number law of the universe that I think a
Speaker 5: lot of people don't know about. But what you're saying
Speaker 5: is actually, you know, really correct. There are qualitative aspects
Speaker 5: to numbers that a lot of people are just missing
Speaker 5: because they think, oh, numerology, this is just crazy talk.
Speaker 5: But it's like in in mathematics, they accept that there's
Speaker 5: a certain qualitative nature to these numbers, and most numerologists
Speaker 5: don't even know about this. That's right there, So you
Speaker 5: can actually tell when they're trying to encode stuff and
Speaker 5: when they're not. By applying all these numbers to Benford's law, you.
Speaker 1: Are you're nailing it right now too.
Speaker 6: It's like it was like there is this huge aspect
Speaker 6: of like jamatria and numerology.
Speaker 1: They're so like right braid in this aspect.
Speaker 6: They don't look at like number theory in this left brain,
Speaker 6: which is the missing component because like you know, even
Speaker 6: like like exactly what you're saying, like understanding and like
Speaker 6: just investigating like how a number behaves. You know, like
Speaker 6: a prime number, a prime number can only be divided
Speaker 6: by itself in one So like on days that Jamatria
Speaker 6: like does equations add up to like three prime numbers,
Speaker 6: that's the day that stuff's going to pop off. Like
Speaker 6: it's like energy can't be stored that day, so you
Speaker 6: might have a breakthrough that day. You might like somebody
Speaker 6: might be argumentive and like snap at you.
Speaker 1: It throws off.
Speaker 6: Like that's like when scientists will make breakthroughs. It's on
Speaker 6: prime number days. And I kind of use then example
Speaker 6: of like it could be a good thing. You know,
Speaker 6: like you you like find like ten dollars on the
Speaker 6: ground when you're like walking, you're like rad or like
Speaker 6: you can get like mono from your friends, like power rate,
Speaker 6: Like it's like, oh that sucks, Like that was weird
Speaker 6: that that happened. It's like prime number days where a
Speaker 6: number like sixty four or a number like that has
Speaker 6: a lot of factors to it, that's got a lot
Speaker 6: of density to it, So energy can go on top
Speaker 6: of it because it distributes it to the factors so
Speaker 6: it can hold better. So those are days that people
Speaker 6: aren't going to pop off. That's like a day to
Speaker 6: like you know, it's gonna be like energy is gonna
Speaker 6: be like more mellow and kind of things. But it's
Speaker 6: it's like you're right, it's just like how that number operates.
Speaker 6: But it's really fascinating because like some numbers will like
Speaker 6: push numbers beyond the line, and some numbers like hold
Speaker 6: you at that line and they'll like anchor you. It's
Speaker 6: like you could even see sports scores, like football teams
Speaker 6: that get stuck on twenty points a lot of times
Speaker 6: they'll like end with twenty points they can't get off it,
Speaker 6: or if they get on seventeen, it shoots them either
Speaker 6: to twenty or twenty four. Because it's like numbers have
Speaker 6: this component of like physically happening, and I think that
Speaker 6: that's a huge part of like numerology in Jamatria that
Speaker 6: like has to almost be understood.
Speaker 1: Like even like like even when they were doing like
Speaker 1: a decoration of independence on the twenty.
Speaker 6: Sixth day of that process, they had everything that was
Speaker 6: gonna be in the Decoration of Independence. So like, okay,
Speaker 6: we're not gonna add anything and we're not gonna take
Speaker 6: anything away. This is what's gonna be added, because the
Speaker 6: twenty six is the number that like you set boundaries,
Speaker 6: just like there's twenty six letters in the alphabet.
Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, these are the glyphs that we're gonna
Speaker 1: use to create every word in this language.
Speaker 6: We're not gonna add a word. We're not gonna add
Speaker 6: a letter, we're not gonna take a letter word away.
Speaker 6: It's it happens on the twenty sixth day. That's when
Speaker 6: you like finalize stuff, and then on the thirty second
Speaker 6: day that's when you make the announcement about it, you know,
Speaker 6: and that's it's like again, these numbers have like this
Speaker 6: like very familiar understanding, and it's like not even to
Speaker 6: the step that you're mystifying him, yet you almost want
Speaker 6: to like demystify him first, understand them as a container
Speaker 6: because then that container that mystical energy will come in
Speaker 6: and you know, fill it up with like the real good,
Speaker 6: esoteric good good that you're not going to find in
Speaker 6: a book, you know, kind of like creating that structure
Speaker 6: and that container. So it brings in that like inner
Speaker 6: understanding that like we're all kind of studying to generate.
Speaker 6: But what you just brought up, I've never seen that chart,
Speaker 6: and I'm sure like you know, uh my Texas went
Speaker 6: definitely they had probably synthetic on that one too, But
Speaker 6: like that was amazing.
Speaker 1: I've never seen that. But it's it's brilliant.
Speaker 6: It's again, it's like it's it's like remarkable when you
Speaker 6: really start to see this, like this operation and how
Speaker 6: it really organically unfolds.
Speaker 5: Right, it's like cheating when when you know about it,
Speaker 5: because then you could just get a Benfors lawn generator
Speaker 5: and just make the random numbers you want to to
Speaker 5: plug it in there, you know, you know, like it's
Speaker 5: like power to.
Speaker 1: The mind, you know what I mean, Like it's a component.
Speaker 1: But you're so right there, you know. I think you
Speaker 1: probably just like saved a lot of people from uh
Speaker 1: I hope guys get it. Yeah, just go go out
Speaker 1: and get it. That's awesome, you know, No, that's that's amazing.
Speaker 2: That's wild. Shit. Actually, the first time you pulled that
Speaker 2: up and told them.
Speaker 6: I was like, what the fuck, that's crazy, that's crazy, right,
Speaker 6: I've never even seen that, but it makes total sense.
Speaker 5: Right, and it fits within the number line that we have.
Speaker 5: You know, other systems with other base numbers aren't going
Speaker 5: to have the same kind of frequencies. But we have
Speaker 5: a base ten number sequence, which means that you're going
Speaker 5: to have these natural distributions of numbers. But if you
Speaker 5: think about it having a different base of number sequences
Speaker 5: like the aztecs AD where they have base six numbers, right,
Speaker 5: some numbers are base twelve, other numbers are you know,
Speaker 5: all of these other things. So it's when you repeat
Speaker 5: these cycles, that's when you start to have these distributions
Speaker 5: of numbers. And this is why the energy distribution kind
Speaker 5: of makes sense when you're talking about how these different
Speaker 5: numbers have a certain energy or a frequency to them.
Speaker 5: There's a qualitative aspect to numbers that a lot of
Speaker 5: people are just passing up over.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, absolutely, man, and even just looking down going down
Speaker 6: that rabbit hole of different number systems like base eight
Speaker 6: based like like I forget what culture was base eight,
Speaker 6: but when they counted, they actually counted to spaces in
Speaker 6: between their fingers and that's how they would count, and
Speaker 6: things like that, like even the component of counting because
Speaker 6: like the Samerians like could count to sixty on one
Speaker 6: hand because they would count the spaces.
Speaker 1: Of their fingers and then they were like, you know,
Speaker 1: count as many times as they did it on this hand.
Speaker 1: And that's why, like sixty is like the number of
Speaker 1: completion for the them.
Speaker 6: But like that aspect is like it really does change
Speaker 6: your relationship to like, oh, this changes reality. Like when
Speaker 6: you're whatever your base system is, it changes the reality,
Speaker 6: just like a calendar, like when we switch to the
Speaker 6: Greg Goryan calendar change reality. It's like a program in
Speaker 6: the reality. Well base number systems, of course, it's like
Speaker 6: it's the base. It's like what's going to create everything
Speaker 6: is going to blossom from that.
Speaker 5: Well, these numbers don't just exist in quantities outside of
Speaker 5: the mind. They also exist in wantites inside of the mind.
Speaker 5: That's one of the main factors of this language. And
Speaker 5: when they say man is the measure of all things?
Speaker 5: I mean, how how long is an inch? Well, it's
Speaker 5: about that long, right, you know how long is a
Speaker 5: foot that you've got? You've got all of these different
Speaker 5: aspects of the human body as above, so below there's
Speaker 5: an aspect of how we measure things really does determine
Speaker 5: the outcome of different events.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, do you know, I wanted to ask you, Daniel, Uh,
Speaker 2: you know, what do you get into uh like ritual
Speaker 2: ceremonial stuff at all?
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, you know, and like definitely you know that
Speaker 6: was probably like I'm very like studious into like all
Speaker 6: ritual schools because it really did. It expanded my understanding
Speaker 6: of like how reality works, especially like planetary hours, color
Speaker 6: correspondences and things like this, and so you know, I
Speaker 6: would say that, like I have like a really interesting
Speaker 6: component with like my rituals because they're they're very fluid
Speaker 6: and it's kind of like what's calling me at that
Speaker 6: kind of time. But I'm I'm very dilated into like
Speaker 6: how the magician views the day of like the planetary hour,
Speaker 6: you know, the jamatria of the day, and the kind
Speaker 6: of like calculating what the pressure system is going to
Speaker 6: be like and what it could kind of afford and
Speaker 6: like how you could kind of navigate it. But like,
Speaker 6: you know, for sure, like it was like it's you know,
Speaker 6: it's like some of the deepest understanding of how I
Speaker 6: understood how like this construct operates was like ceremonial magic,
Speaker 6: like how it presents stuff. Was like, you know, like
Speaker 6: I remember reading about like a magic ritual and it
Speaker 6: was just like, if you're out of money, don't do
Speaker 6: the ritual on a like a Thursday, because you're just
Speaker 6: gonna expand that debt with Jupiter. You want to do
Speaker 6: it on Venus on a Friday because that will bring
Speaker 6: money in. And then next Thursday you bring it into
Speaker 6: Jupiter because it'll expand that positive account. We'll expand it
Speaker 6: on the negative account.
Speaker 1: That blew my freaking mind.
Speaker 6: I was just like, Oh my gosh, that's like a
Speaker 6: maze of like how these correspondences work. And so you know,
Speaker 6: you know, like in the regards of like like my
Speaker 6: own kind of like magical ceremonies and things like that,
Speaker 6: It's been like phases in my life that it comes in.
Speaker 6: And it's really interesting because like I'll have like a
Speaker 6: like a relationship with Druidism for a season and I'll
Speaker 6: be like, oh, I'm you know, I'm like this drew,
Speaker 6: and then all of a sudden, I'm like, you know,
Speaker 6: in this like Buddhist kind of like you know, like
Speaker 6: approach to kind of things.
Speaker 1: So it's very like fluid in that kind of way.
Speaker 1: But you know, I I what I really kind of
Speaker 1: try to do is like make every routine into a ritual.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 6: So like if I'm brushing my teeth at the same time,
Speaker 6: I'm like I'm also brushing out like anything nasty I've
Speaker 6: ever said about myself and then like spitting it down
Speaker 6: the sink.
Speaker 1: And like watching it go away.
Speaker 6: You know, like I'll chemically like you know, amplifying the
Speaker 6: moment because like I'm already exerting the energy of brushing
Speaker 6: my teeth, It's like why not just like I'll chemicalize
Speaker 6: it and like do like some self growth through it
Speaker 6: by like taking the moment and like really just like
Speaker 6: amplifying it with like your attention and your awareness. So
Speaker 6: that's something that I like always try to do, is
Speaker 6: like find out little ways of how I could kind
Speaker 6: of like at any moment take in like kind of
Speaker 6: like a chemical lens to the situation to like kind
Speaker 6: of like assist with that self growth. But but yeah,
Speaker 6: you know, I definitely I definitely have been like went
Speaker 6: through all the processes, you know, where I was like,
Speaker 6: you know, got went to the like the magic store,
Speaker 6: and I bought like all the candles and like, you know,
Speaker 6: all of these kinds of things, you know, we have
Speaker 6: like these year Marias here, which are like Mexican Santaia stores.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, I was buying stuff. I was like,
Speaker 1: you're an idiot, like stop, and I'm like I like this,
Speaker 1: and she's like, you know, so yeah.
Speaker 6: Definitely definitely had that you know, that component with it,
Speaker 6: And yeah, It's like I think it's like one of
Speaker 6: those things that, like, I it's it's kind of like
Speaker 6: depending on like the time in the season that I
Speaker 6: find myself in, it's either like a huge part or
Speaker 6: it's it's like not as big of a part, but
Speaker 6: the utmost respect for it.
Speaker 1: And it's like one of the things that I just.
Speaker 6: Like absolutely love to explore because it it's like it's
Speaker 6: it's one of those things that like it brings in
Speaker 6: insight to things you didn't think it was going to
Speaker 6: bring insight in.
Speaker 1: It's like always a.
Speaker 6: Surprise after you like work through like a magical book
Speaker 6: of like the like the value and the goal that
Speaker 6: you extract out of it. It's like it's not like
Speaker 6: it's always for me when I kind of go through
Speaker 6: that work, it's always like it wasn't what I expected.
Speaker 6: And I guess that's kind of how magic works too,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean, Like it happens when you
Speaker 6: least expect it. It happens in like the ways that
Speaker 6: you at least expect it.
Speaker 1: But I know that you guys, like I know you've
Speaker 1: spoken about your your relationship with it. Is that something
Speaker 1: that's still pretty prominent for you.
Speaker 2: No, I have thought about it, but I haven't done
Speaker 2: much of that in a minute. But it was huge
Speaker 2: for me for years. Yeah, it was you every morning
Speaker 2: and night. Yeah, for the most part.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I uh, the less vanishing ritual the Pentagram. You know,
Speaker 2: I think if you're into like the lean out of
Speaker 2: the Golden Dome, that's just gonna be probably a practice
Speaker 2: that you do consistently anyway. Yeah, but uh yeah I
Speaker 2: did that. And then I was really big with the
Speaker 2: hextagram ritual as well, you know, rash or uh oh man,
Speaker 2: what was the middle pillar? I used to incorporate that
Speaker 2: a lot as well.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I think the middle pillar is, like, you know,
Speaker 6: especially in the time we find ourselves in like, I
Speaker 6: think that's so important to find that like you know,
Speaker 6: that spot in that center spot, and you know, I.
Speaker 1: Kind of think too.
Speaker 6: We're at that stage of even with like Magic, it's
Speaker 6: kind of calling for its own personal relationship with us,
Speaker 6: Like we went through that process, and it's like it's
Speaker 6: again you kind of have to like you have to
Speaker 6: like understand the foundations before you can like kind of
Speaker 6: break out of them.
Speaker 1: You can't just like you know, like again, Jimmy Hendricks.
Speaker 6: Didn't like walk into Guitar Center and bust out purple
Speaker 6: Haze like upside down and break the rule of the guitar.
Speaker 1: He had to learn the fundamentals and then he was
Speaker 1: able to break the rules of it, you know. And
Speaker 1: so I think that that's kind of happens with Magic too.
Speaker 6: It's like you have to go through that initiation, you
Speaker 6: have to learn the fundamentals, but then it kind of
Speaker 6: starts to speak to you and like, hey, this is
Speaker 6: how independently works for me. And I think there's like
Speaker 6: a space to kind of like move towards that, or
Speaker 6: it like really pulls you into like a certain school
Speaker 6: and direction that's like no, this is like the focus
Speaker 6: of how it's going to work, or it blends them together.
Speaker 6: But I definitely think there's like an internal process there
Speaker 6: that we go through. But so so important to get
Speaker 6: that foundation in first, because uh yeah, yeah, I mean
Speaker 6: that that could be a slippery slope, you know, very
Speaker 6: very quickly.
Speaker 2: Anybody have any questions or anything. I just wanting to
Speaker 2: make sure before I keep this guy.
Speaker 1: Go for it.
Speaker 2: Yeah what is?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: I know you're into astrology and stuff and you mentioned plot.
Speaker 2: Are you into a like cabala? I mean I would assume, right,
Speaker 2: I mean when you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, and it's it's it's really is.
Speaker 6: It's kind of like I'm kind of just like a
Speaker 6: Shmargas board where it kind of comes to the esoteric,
Speaker 6: like I.
Speaker 2: I helps you.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it totally helps, you know, I think
Speaker 6: it totally helps because again it's like when you almost
Speaker 6: like switch the modalities, not only does it give you
Speaker 6: like insight on the other one, but like I find
Speaker 6: that it's like really important that Like if I'm like
Speaker 6: really into the tarot and studying the tarot and then
Speaker 6: I moved to astrology, my consciousness can now start like
Speaker 6: putting that in, storing it in my.
Speaker 1: Subconscious because of terror, because my intention is not on
Speaker 1: taro anymore.
Speaker 6: So, like my active consciousness isn't like messing with it,
Speaker 6: so it actually like goes to my subconscious and it
Speaker 6: can start storing it, and I go to that pattern
Speaker 6: of studying the astrology, and then like when I go
Speaker 6: back to the tarot, all of a sudden, I'm like
Speaker 6: a completely new lens to it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 6: I think that that's like such an important part of
Speaker 6: the process, is like not staying hyper focused on something
Speaker 6: because like your active consciousness is always manipulating it and
Speaker 6: it doesn't give the capacity to like impregnate the subconscious
Speaker 6: for like a greater understanding or like a birthing.
Speaker 1: That could kind of come from that.
Speaker 6: So I think that's been pretty pretty important for my process.
Speaker 6: And then also like it's I just think it's all
Speaker 6: ill shit, Like I just love it all. Like there's
Speaker 6: nothing I find in the esoteric that I'm like boring,
Speaker 6: Like it's it excites everything about me, all of it.
Speaker 6: And so whether it's like you know, if somebody's like, hey,
Speaker 6: like you want to read a book on voudoo, I'm
Speaker 6: like that, like, let's do it right now, and they're like, no,
Speaker 6: you don't have to do it right now. But sitting
Speaker 6: down in the middle of a store like reading it.
Speaker 6: So I think it was just like kind of like
Speaker 6: this like curiosity and like I almost like this like
Speaker 6: energy force that it activates, because like you know, I
Speaker 6: could be like I was, like before the Esoteric, I
Speaker 6: kind of felt like I was E or from Like
Speaker 6: I don't know why I'm doing so many Winning the
Speaker 6: Poo references, like I'm like talking like Tigger, I'm making
Speaker 6: a reference to E or I've made a Winny the
Speaker 6: Pooh reference earlier.
Speaker 1: I don't know, there's like a something coming on with that,
Speaker 1: but I'm almost like like that.
Speaker 6: I'm almost like if I don't have something that's like
Speaker 6: sparking my aspect there, I'm like, I don't know what
Speaker 6: heroin is, but I feel like this is what heroin
Speaker 6: feels like. It's just like there's no there's no energy there,
Speaker 6: and so you know, when I find something that gives
Speaker 6: it to it, it's just like hey, let's uh.
Speaker 1: Let's eat. So yeah, I kabala Is is just like
Speaker 1: such a.
Speaker 6: Deep mystery and yeah, opening up like even just like
Speaker 6: the Hebrew language and understanding that whole component of like
Speaker 6: cause that's kind of what like Jamatria is based off
Speaker 6: of and things like that. But yeah, I it's it's
Speaker 6: always a subject that I'm like exploring like deeper and deeper.
Speaker 1: But I would say that like Kabala is the the
Speaker 1: one that I haven't presented on on the podcast. And
Speaker 1: that's like just merely because like my Hebrew is shit,
Speaker 1: Like it's just like so bad.
Speaker 6: I'm like I got a Hebrew name Daniel, and like
Speaker 6: I'm like, you know, it's like I can stay bar mitzvah,
Speaker 6: but like that's it. Like it's like so funny, and
Speaker 6: I just stumble over them like there's like yeah, it's
Speaker 6: like it's really funny. Like I'll avoid certain rules and
Speaker 6: like there's even like this like Philosopher that I like love.
Speaker 1: And I won't even quote him because I'm like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna mess up that name on the pot and like.
Speaker 6: I just butcher it, like butcher it. I'm like, good God,
Speaker 6: And then I try to recover and it just gets
Speaker 6: worse and worse. So like yeah, I think that that's it.
Speaker 6: But like yeah, I I find the Kabbala. It's just
Speaker 6: it's endless, you know, It's it's got so.
Speaker 1: Much good information there.
Speaker 5: We we do a show on Alista on Tuesdays, and uh,
Speaker 5: when we when we hit those Hebrew words man, we
Speaker 5: hit those Hebrew words.
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta jump in on this show. I
Speaker 1: need to be a fly on the wall on that show.
Speaker 2: God, I'm just like, oh fuck, I don't want to
Speaker 2: try this ship.
Speaker 5: Yeah right, we skip a lot.
Speaker 2: It's crazy. I could I could have learned that ship
Speaker 2: for free when I was when I was in prison.
Speaker 2: This is crazy, and I almost took it because you
Speaker 2: could have learned. There was so many fucking I don't
Speaker 2: know what it was is prison was packed with Jews
Speaker 2: and they actually keep toward Hebrew. And I could have
Speaker 2: taken that ship for free, and I almost did because
Speaker 2: for some reason, I was like, oh that's good. I
Speaker 2: just for some reason that it would come in handy,
Speaker 2: like I was already starting to get into occultism already.
Speaker 2: Now I regret it because like I would have been
Speaker 2: around people who spoke the ship as well. Oh man,
Speaker 2: that's like the way, yeah wah yeah, because I even
Speaker 2: one of the guys in my room was Jewish. She's like,
Speaker 2: I'm telling you right now you want to learn Hebrew,
Speaker 2: this is the time to do it because you're surrounded
Speaker 2: by Jews.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh absolutely, absolutely, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: I was even trying there was like a deli down
Speaker 6: the road, and I was like hanging out there like
Speaker 6: way too long, and They're like, you're creeping me out,
Speaker 6: and I'm like, I just want to hear you guys talk,
Speaker 6: and I get the hell out of this deli kind of.
Speaker 1: So I that aspect of like, yeah, immersing yourself in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I regret it, like fuck. I probably would
Speaker 2: have picked it up and like a few you know,
Speaker 2: six So one guy was like, ohy, in six months,
Speaker 2: you'll be doing fine.
Speaker 5: Oh sure, if you like Greek, you'd be surprised to
Speaker 5: know that actually Jamatria comes from the Greek coin a
Speaker 5: language fris Yeah, yeah, isopsraphy, and so all of their
Speaker 5: letters were actually numbers. And this is really where the
Speaker 5: Hebrews got it from, was from the Greek. This is
Speaker 5: why they call it Jamatria, which is the Greek word.
Speaker 5: So it's if you're into Greek, learning Greek will give
Speaker 5: you the keys to unlocking you know, all of that
Speaker 5: isopsophy that's all over the Greek language. I mean, this
Speaker 5: was a big part of it.
Speaker 6: Too, absolutely like that ancient Greek language and yeah, the
Speaker 6: you know, the Hebrews had that ability to kind of
Speaker 6: take some information to claim it as their own.
Speaker 1: That seems like a common theme that happens, you know.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I.
Speaker 6: You know that ancient Greek language too, Like the oldest
Speaker 6: Book of Revelations is in that ancient Greek and it
Speaker 6: reads like in such an important way, Like there's little
Speaker 6: translations there that I've got lost in time that give
Speaker 6: you so much more insight on what's being presented and
Speaker 6: things like that. So yeah, that would be that would
Speaker 6: be amazing. I like there was like a YouTube channel
Speaker 6: where they would just speak it and you could just
Speaker 6: listen to it and you could feel the vibration, like
Speaker 6: you could feel the vibration of those ancient languages that
Speaker 6: they're they're manifesting and creating form in.
Speaker 1: A way that's like really really powerful.
Speaker 5: Absolutely. Yeah, I'm a big advocate of learning Greek, so
Speaker 5: I need to get better at it myself. But you know,
Speaker 5: I think that's something that's gonna be important if you
Speaker 5: think about the alphanumeric quality of language, having an understanding
Speaker 5: of that and understanding the energy of it and how
Speaker 5: it's transferred and the different ways that is, half of
Speaker 5: our words come from Greek anyway.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, absolutely, yeah, that's like all the stuff,
Speaker 6: you know, you were saying like you were upset you
Speaker 6: didn't like learn like Hebrew in prison, I didn't pay
Speaker 6: attention to like any of the things when we were teaching,
Speaker 6: like the prefix of the suffix, like the words and
Speaker 6: stuff like that. Like I having like a understanding of
Speaker 6: that would be so so valuable, you know. I uh yeah,
Speaker 6: those like those foundations. It's like so interesting as you
Speaker 6: kind of come back to it and you're like this,
Speaker 6: this is crazy like it is. It's there's so many
Speaker 6: Greek aspects and when you really get into the etymology
Speaker 6: of the world, you're really getting into like the deeper
Speaker 6: understanding of like what that what energy that word actually
Speaker 6: brings like to this to this construct.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I even covered one time in a jamatra series that
Speaker 2: I did that. Uh. There was even like certain like
Speaker 2: books were being translated. I don't know how they did it.
Speaker 2: I mean I I found it from report those those sources.
Speaker 2: I don't think it was bullshit, but it didn't really
Speaker 2: explain how. Because that really interested me that sometimes they would,
Speaker 2: like the way they translate other languages sometimes into another language,
Speaker 2: they would use jamatria.
Speaker 1: Oh that that would make you know that would make sense,
Speaker 1: like it would it would make sense to like carry
Speaker 1: that vibration over, you know.
Speaker 6: And that's what's like actually like interesting about like English
Speaker 6: jamatrius because you have to like check it because like
Speaker 6: does the number actually like correlate to the word, where
Speaker 6: like in Hebrew it's it's very exact, and like in
Speaker 6: Greek it's gonna be very exact.
Speaker 1: Of like, hey, those numbers match the energy of that word.
Speaker 6: In English, you have to kind of like check it
Speaker 6: because it could be uh, it might not have as
Speaker 6: much weight and density as like a calculation where you know,
Speaker 6: numbers like thirty three and forty seven, like you say
Speaker 6: that always get repeated and stuff like that. Those once
Speaker 6: pretty much there's like there's like a correlation to those
Speaker 6: and that's again why we see people getting freaked out
Speaker 6: about them, you know when really it's just like, oh no,
Speaker 6: that's a just very coded, very coded.
Speaker 5: Right. Well, they tried to do that with the Egyptian language,
Speaker 5: right they were trying, like there wasn't a lot of
Speaker 5: good translations back in the nineteen hundred, So we've got
Speaker 5: a lot of Egyptian texts that have to be retranslated
Speaker 5: because they were trying to do it with Jamatria back
Speaker 5: then because they didn't know what these words met. And
Speaker 5: now that we have those translations, they have to go
Speaker 5: back and redo it all again. With a lot of
Speaker 5: these ancient Egyptian translations. They thought, well, you know, maybe
Speaker 5: there's something alpha in America about this stuff.
Speaker 6: But oh interesting, interesting, Okay, Oh no, that would make sense,
Speaker 6: that would make sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was Uh even I think like most languages
Speaker 2: are even designed like the numbers system and the letters
Speaker 2: came together. You know, that's even another thing that I've
Speaker 2: you know, there was a time I think I forgot
Speaker 2: what David, I don't know, Headless might have been there,
Speaker 2: maybe not. It might have been like New Year's Eve
Speaker 2: and like I was having some people come on and
Speaker 2: like somebody was like kind of not for Jamatra, and
Speaker 2: I was trying to we were trying to explain, like
Speaker 2: like it's just you know, languages you know, started with
Speaker 2: the letters and numbers like equating, like I don't know
Speaker 2: what you're fuck you're talking about, Like you you know,
Speaker 2: I don't think most people realize that you know or
Speaker 2: how much you know and you know what the one
Speaker 2: thing is too, which is unfortunate is that sometimes I think,
Speaker 2: because like like you'll get people who are not using
Speaker 2: Jamatria but saying they are. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Like they're actually kind of using the like the what
Speaker 2: the one to nine are the one to ten? They're
Speaker 2: not really using jamatri. Well, I guess what I'm getting
Speaker 2: at is yell, some some people out there but are
Speaker 2: doing a lot of dumb bullshit with numbers that really
Speaker 2: don't mean much of anything, and it kind of makes
Speaker 2: it look stupid.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, No, for sure make it look so many ways.
Speaker 6: And I think that's why it's like so important to
Speaker 6: have like a structurized system going into it because.
Speaker 2: Like, oh, like I'm gonna, yeah, I keep it, realize
Speaker 2: it whatever. I've entertained people who do it on this
Speaker 2: show numerous times. When you're gonna run twenty fucking ciphers
Speaker 2: on one fucking word, of course it's gonna hit something. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, like Jesus Christ, come on,
Speaker 2: man like but uh, but like the shit you know
Speaker 2: I think was good that you know, I mean, headless
Speaker 2: of doing it, you know, showing from Crowley about how
Speaker 2: much it is incorporated even like in his Book of Lies,
Speaker 2: if you were to go through this book of lies,
Speaker 2: the commentary is for the jamatria like this shits seiphered.
Speaker 2: It's basically telling you this book is seiphered. And then
Speaker 2: you go and see the division and the voice that's in.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: I forgot what library it's. It's it's some college or
Speaker 2: some university in Austin, Texas to go look at Uh
Speaker 2: he hand wrote it before it was edited, you know,
Speaker 2: before it was edited and all that, and so like
Speaker 2: his notes are in there, and like normally it's kind
Speaker 2: of like one page if I remember correctly, it was
Speaker 2: like his notes on what was now written on the
Speaker 2: next page to be done. And uh, I mean you
Speaker 2: see him doing math constantly with phrases words, so like
Speaker 2: whatever's written over here, it's don't take it a phase value, right,
Speaker 2: you know, Like there's times where you see him doing
Speaker 2: the math for Rose and he's implicating her the girl
Speaker 2: in his life sometimes. But but if you're doing the math, well,
Speaker 2: like it wouldn't matter the math if that's who you're
Speaker 2: talking about, should just be that. But if you're doing
Speaker 2: the math, it's obviously not. It's ciphered.
Speaker 5: So that's a big problem. We keep running into with
Speaker 5: seven seven seven is it's obviously cipher and I don't
Speaker 5: think we're getting the full meaning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this there's a lot of ciphering in his ship.
Speaker 2: So it's just like, you know, I'm sure he wasn't
Speaker 2: the only one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 6: I always my phrase with Crowley is like, it's almost
Speaker 6: like the Mario, Like, oh, that's the Crawley, because like
Speaker 6: it is, it's like.
Speaker 1: It's its own kind of shit.
Speaker 6: The hand Again's almost like that's the Crawley, Like like
Speaker 6: I've been reading this book completely wrong, like you know,
Speaker 6: like you know, like early on and you're like, oh,
Speaker 6: you get the Book of Lies and you're like, oh,
Speaker 6: you like go home and you read it cover to
Speaker 6: cover and you're like what the hell did I just read?
Speaker 2: And then you find that's why, Yeah you got plaid.
Speaker 1: And like you know, all of it.
Speaker 6: Like it's like that aspect of like such brilliant stuff.
Speaker 6: And then people will be like, but like, you know
Speaker 6: what about his actions? Like it's like no, it's just
Speaker 6: like that's a Crawley. Like you got to like do
Speaker 6: buy his words rather than like his actions. Sometimes it's
Speaker 6: like he's he's just such a such an interesting individual.
Speaker 6: So like especially taking on that work and like a
Speaker 6: group setting, like you guys are putting minds together on it,
Speaker 6: I think is the way to approach it.
Speaker 1: But man, it's an enigma. It is I can only.
Speaker 2: Imagine, and I could definitely see uh losing yourself and
Speaker 2: that ship as well too. Yeah, there was one time
Speaker 2: when I was going pretty hall with it, like on
Speaker 2: true crime shit, and it just started getting like weird,
Speaker 2: We're just like repeating numbers and stuff. It was like
Speaker 2: almost like it it was just like the fabric to
Speaker 2: just like horrible shit, like some sort of like code
Speaker 2: to it. Yeah. I was like, I think I'm done
Speaker 2: for a minute.
Speaker 6: Yeah, He's like it's like such a even when I'm
Speaker 6: like explaining it to my friends, like I feel like
Speaker 6: I'm like running up to them at a gas station
Speaker 6: with like a styropham cup of coffee and like a cigarette.
Speaker 1: Numbers you know, yeah, yeah exactly. You know, like you go, well,
Speaker 1: it's like one of those things you can sound.
Speaker 6: Like crazy very very quickly. Yeah, and then you just
Speaker 6: start like speaking faster. No, no, no, you gotta understand,
Speaker 6: and then like you're freaking out even more.
Speaker 1: Yah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, did you guys ever see the movie like I
Speaker 6: think it was Pie. It was like back in like
Speaker 6: the nineties, did you see that long time ago that
Speaker 6: was about you, Matria? You know, I need to kind
Speaker 6: of see it now through this lens because as a kid,
Speaker 6: I was just like, what the hell is this guy
Speaker 6: talking about?
Speaker 1: Is the movie of black and White? Like what did
Speaker 1: he just do? But like now I kind of think
Speaker 1: about it and reflect back on it. It was kind
Speaker 1: of about that. It was kind of a like losing yourself.
Speaker 6: In that in that in that space, you know, and
Speaker 6: like yeah, so it's like it is fascinating, It's it
Speaker 6: is one of those things you kind of have to
Speaker 6: like take with a discipline and approach because like you
Speaker 6: take the uh, you know, you take the slip and
Speaker 6: slide down to numbers, you're gonna find yourself in a
Speaker 6: very confusing place.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: Well, it's the quality and the teleology of it. So
Speaker 5: you've got this meaning aspect that is sort of right
Speaker 5: at your fingertips and yet outside of your reach, you know.
Speaker 5: So you kind of find this over and over again
Speaker 5: with numbers and trying to find meanings and all the
Speaker 5: rest of these things. It's like where's the actual pattern
Speaker 5: and what I think is most important is actually finding
Speaker 5: how the pattern affects you first, right, you got to
Speaker 5: know how these numbers are affecting you and how how
Speaker 5: you relate to them, and if it's not part of
Speaker 5: that personal pattern system that you've sort of developed by
Speaker 5: looking around at the world around you, let it go right.
Speaker 1: Gosh, that's that's huge funny. It all loops back to
Speaker 1: know thyself.
Speaker 6: Not proping the own show with a name, but like
Speaker 6: it's so interesting, like all of these components are like
Speaker 6: the magic, the numbers, all of it. It all kind
Speaker 6: of comes down to that, like that relationship with that
Speaker 6: internal compass inside and that understanding.
Speaker 1: But that's that's a great point.
Speaker 6: That's a great point checking it in with yourself before
Speaker 6: you go on an external rabbit hunt.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 3: I have a good question, a hypothetical question for you,
Speaker 3: because when you were discussing, you know, when you get
Speaker 3: hyped up and you hit the point and you're trying
Speaker 3: to explain it to your friends and they don't get
Speaker 3: it necessarily, where would you tell?
Speaker 4: Where would you guide them to start?
Speaker 1: Oh, I just start speaking louder and I start pointing
Speaker 1: my finger out. No, you know, that's such a that's
Speaker 1: such a good question.
Speaker 6: And you know, and that's like you just start with
Speaker 6: like making a relationship from like zero to nine. Like
Speaker 6: it's it's really interesting, like all you need to know
Speaker 6: is zero to nine because all numbers are going to
Speaker 6: just be a makeup of that. Like if you see
Speaker 6: the number two ninety eight, well you understand the number
Speaker 6: what two means? Now the number nine and the number eight.
Speaker 1: This is like an equation.
Speaker 6: But you read it like a story. You read it
Speaker 6: from left to right. It's going to tell you just
Speaker 6: like that. So you start with the fundamental and the base.
Speaker 6: And there's when it comes to like numerology, like stuff
Speaker 6: from like the eighteen nineties to nineteen ten hits. Like
Speaker 6: there's a couple books and I'll share them because they're
Speaker 6: all there are the public domain now and stuff like that.
Speaker 6: I'll send them to each And what if you guys,
Speaker 6: there's there's like the mystic value of numbers. There's the
Speaker 6: four basic ideas of numbers. These will give you such
Speaker 6: a good structure to build off of in an understanding,
Speaker 6: and then again you could get deeper and deeper, but
Speaker 6: getting that strong seed is so important. You know, numbers
Speaker 6: is one of the ones that you just like slow
Speaker 6: and steady.
Speaker 1: Wins the race.
Speaker 6: It's just like, hey, just go in that kind of
Speaker 6: way because you can lose your balance very quickly and
Speaker 6: kind of go again on this like mystical illusion rabbit hole.
Speaker 6: But if you take that structure like in that kind
Speaker 6: of that kind of way, but.
Speaker 1: You kind of go down from like zero to nine.
Speaker 6: And honestly, like before I even open a book, I
Speaker 6: would just sit with myself and be like what do
Speaker 6: I know about these numb Like you know more about
Speaker 6: numbers than you think you do, because it's like you know,
Speaker 6: like maybe astrology, you didn't have those terms and you
Speaker 6: had to like make a relationship with those terms.
Speaker 1: You've had a relationship with numbers. They've just been more
Speaker 1: of like emotion and they haven't had so much meaning
Speaker 1: to them.
Speaker 6: But like you're inner child, and like yourself, your curiosity
Speaker 6: as a child saw these components about these numbers, and
Speaker 6: so it's really interesting. Like I would almost like say,
Speaker 6: like before it is like just sit, like rite the
Speaker 6: numbers one from nine and like think.
Speaker 1: About what that is. You know, like even the component
Speaker 1: of like a one is like pointing the pen onto
Speaker 1: the paper and then two is like making a line,
Speaker 1: and then three is like a triangle.
Speaker 6: So now we have like aspect of actually a creation,
Speaker 6: you know, four and even just thinking about like oh
Speaker 6: four form four it it's like structure, you know what
Speaker 6: I mean, and like all these kind of components like
Speaker 6: opening it up in that kind of way and then
Speaker 6: just exploring it and just like taking it in that way.
Speaker 6: But it's a really beautiful subject because like we were
Speaker 6: kind of talking about it is like once you start
Speaker 6: noticing numbers, numbers start noticing you, and really do you
Speaker 6: get this unique kind of relationship with them?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I've not the certain numbers repeatedly every time
Speaker 2: I travel. When you travel, yeah, when I travel, especially
Speaker 2: like if I'm flowing certain numbers, if I'm drawing a
Speaker 2: different set of numbers, always notice wink. But uh, did
Speaker 2: anybody have anything else? For a little bit over an
Speaker 2: hour and a half, maybe you could might wrap it
Speaker 2: up here.
Speaker 5: It's a good spot. I think we we went all
Speaker 5: the way around the circle and came back to know thyself.
Speaker 5: So that's that's that's a win.
Speaker 1: That's a win.
Speaker 6: But again too, like I wanted, you're gonna close out
Speaker 6: the show, but this has been so amazing everyone in
Speaker 6: the comments that were flying through again just blowing my mind,
Speaker 6: like you literally like taking my mind off, like so
Speaker 6: many things that everybody participated with.
Speaker 1: Was so awesome.
Speaker 6: So uh yeah, just uh, it's just uh, you know,
Speaker 6: it's just it's such an honor to be like in
Speaker 6: this kind of space with each and every one of
Speaker 6: you guys.
Speaker 2: It's funny. At nine to eleven, I literally had someone
Speaker 2: text me about my chat actually, like you have a
Speaker 2: very interesting chat on your channel that was like it
Speaker 2: it's a very interesting character, isn't there. Yeah, for sure,
Speaker 2: thank you very much for coming on now. I definitely
Speaker 2: had a blast, so I have to get you on again, man,
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: A bunch of different ideas and topics or something.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely, And like now we're all connected
Speaker 6: because like you know, the the no they sell podcasts,
Speaker 6: Like it's always just been like concepts and.
Speaker 1: We've never had a guest on.
Speaker 6: But we're kind of like expanding out and like trying
Speaker 6: to like open up a space like that as well.
Speaker 6: So we'll we'll all have so many conversations and we'll
Speaker 6: all be breaking bread in so many different ways.
Speaker 2: Nice sounds good to me. So definitely before we wrap
Speaker 2: it up and let you plug your show and your
Speaker 2: stuff again, Judith the Loon, what is going on? How
Speaker 2: are you?
Speaker 4: This was a wonderful conversation. And Daniel, you have a lot.
Speaker 4: You dropped a little couple of gems there for me
Speaker 4: to research, so thank you for that.
Speaker 3: It's always a pleasure to be on with Headless and
Speaker 3: with Nick and you can find me at YouTube and
Speaker 3: X as the Loon and on speaker too.
Speaker 2: Thank you, no, thank you for being here. Always appreciate
Speaker 2: it when he could jump on and my man, Headles
Speaker 2: is a giant. What is going on, sir?
Speaker 5: How's going You can find me on YouTube, on x
Speaker 5: and on Instagram at the Headless Giant. And tomorrow we've
Speaker 5: got another trialog coming at you with Ethan Indigo and
Speaker 5: Ricardo Calvario, so come come by and check that out
Speaker 5: ten o'clock or ten thirty Central time.
Speaker 1: Thank you, great, awesome, awesome and so so great to
Speaker 1: be on here.
Speaker 6: And this is Daniel my second favorite host from the
Speaker 6: Know They Saw podcast. If you want to see the
Speaker 6: coolest guy in the world, that's the other host.
Speaker 1: His name is Eduardo. But yeah, I know thyself podcast.
Speaker 6: Uh the one with the sun, the alchemical sun, not
Speaker 6: the dude with the selfie in a ponytail.
Speaker 1: So that's not us.
Speaker 6: But that's a good podcast too. But uh yeah, we're
Speaker 6: not much of the selfie kind of guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about too.
Speaker 2: That's funny, nice selfie.
Speaker 1: Oh that was good.
Speaker 2: Thank you, well again very much. I had a great time.
Speaker 2: That was a great talk, and everybody in the chat
Speaker 2: that's what's up. I appreciated all the comments, all the
Speaker 2: bull busting and all that ship. It was a good time.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, and until the next one, everybody
Speaker 2: be well later