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Speaker 1: Don't countdown.

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Speaker 2: Is on to fight time. This is Big Fight weekend.

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Now here is your host? TJ. Leaves?

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Speaker 3: Yes, indeed, dare I say that We're about to wrap

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up February and we've got what has the capability of

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being a very entertaining unified world title fight between a

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couple of Mexican champions that can really punch. We're ready

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to preview it. We've got a ton of fight news

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and more. It is the big fight wee can preview.

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I am the somewhat capable host. TJ Reeves, Hello to

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our insider, Big Dan. Rayphiel fight Freaks Unit is the

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substack that he has and the newsletter bey on that

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because the news is flying left, right and every which

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direction right now, the intel and Dan's all over it.

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Good to be back with you. And again, I don't

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want to oversell this. They don't pay us to oversell this,

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but I'm intrigued. Maybe this is sneaky under the radar,

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good action coming this weekend in the match Room de

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Zone main event for Arizona with the Manuel Navarante Sugar Nuyez.

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Speaker 2: Big Dan, how are you feeling?

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Speaker 1: I felt good, but I wouldn't say it's sneaky. I

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think everybody is expected from the moment this fight was announced,

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it's going to be a fucking spectacular bar burner.

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Speaker 3: But I mean, if you know, if we're just comparing,

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there was hype around, big hype around Shakur Stevenson and

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Taafimo Lopez totally right, rightfully, So with that, there's been

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hype around a couple of other big fights.

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Speaker 1: I'm not even speaking about hype.

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Speaker 2: This has just kind of been a little under the radars.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm saying from that standpoint, yes, from immybe a

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promotional standpoint, yes, But in terms of those of us

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who follow closely and look at the schedule which is

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on my newsletter and you can sign up and get

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it in your inbox every Tuesday. Anyways, if you if

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you looked at the upcoming calendar and you were circling

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the fights that you're like, I must watch that. Not

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a pay per view, not part of the Ultimate Plan,

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part of your regular Zone subscription. This is one of

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those fights where if you're a if you like you know,

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the the idea of two guys who are very good

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but will come and just go to bang it out

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with each other for however, long it last it, but

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also get hit. Yeah, of course this is this is

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that fight. I mean there's there's not a lot of

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there's nothing fancy about matchmaking with this one. I mean

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you got two champions, he got two outstanding uh punchers

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and guys who make offense whose defense is maybe slightly

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not the best.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: And they're gonna come to fight, and they and they

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wanted to fight each other. Uh. If you go back

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to September when Edward o' nunez had a homecoming fight

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in Mexico, he had a very exciting victory against the

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Puerto Rican Christopher Diaz and lo and behold who was

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sitting a ring side, I mean, you will never aday

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and when.

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Speaker 2: The surprise, he was up in the ring after the fight.

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Speaker 1: Saying, let's do this match room. You know, Eddie hern

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is there, of course he's the promoter of Nunez, and

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Navarrette was at the show. He's of course with top rank.

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They were able to make a deal with each other,

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which is good, and they called Navaretti into the ring

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and in a very respectful way, they both said let's

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do it. And Eddie was like, let's have this great

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Mexican battle. And that's exactly what they're going to do.

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I see literally no possible way that this cannot be

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a very good fight.

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Speaker 3: If not say way, wait, don't say that. I literally

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see no possible way. Obviously there's always something quirky that

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can happen, but we're.

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Speaker 1: The caa. My cavea was in. If there's some kind

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of wacky head butter injury, yes, but in general terms,

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on paper, this is a fight of the year type

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of fight, and in practice it's got a chance to

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be that level of a fight that even though it's February,

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we're talking about this, you know, down the road at

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the end of the year.

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Speaker 3: By the way, I didn't even get to promote before

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Ray Fiel's going on about this, So thank you for

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finding us on the pod feed.

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Speaker 1: You got me so excited about this.

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sure you rateus in reviewers. Several of you have done

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that in February. Keep doing that. It helps with the algorithms.

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We're here previewing going into the weekend, we recap going

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out of the weekend. Most of the time, March becomes

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a crazy month for me with the college basketball and

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for you because you're a duke guy. So but we'll

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we'll do our best preview going into the weekend recap

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coming off the weekend. Also find the Big Fight Weekend

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YouTube page as well for different content, nostalgia, et cetera.

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So back into this, yes, for the unified one and

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thirty pound title. One interesting thing we know Navarante lost

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recently to Denny's Baranchick.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's ago my point.

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Speaker 3: I'm coming to a point. He did so moving up

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to lightweight. He looked out of shape, he looked sloppy.

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Then he came back down to one thirty and looked

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much better to me. So I think that's a factor,

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and that's a component that we're trying to get him

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a fourth world title in a fourth different division. The

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promotion in top rank, et cetera. WBO didn't happen. He

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looked sloppy, he looked out of shape. So I'm much

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more let's just say optimistic, we'll see a better Navarate

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for that reason in this fight coming up.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a good point. I think the fact

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is he's fighting another champion and he's been wanting to

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unify for a while. The fact that it's another Mexican

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will bring out the best I think compared to a fight,

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maybe that he's not as up for let's say. But

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after that lost to Brent Check where like you said,

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he did not look good. It was a split decision,

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but he was the loser of the fight. He fought

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Oscar Valdes in the rematch, he knocked him out in

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the sixth round. Then he did not look sharp in

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a very tough, close fight against Charlie Squarez. It ended

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in a storm of controversy with the no contest with

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the was it ahead but the cause of the cut

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was it as to cause the cut in the In

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the end, the California Commission overturned into a no contest

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and the WBO ordered an immediate rematch, and that was

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the fight that was post happened. And when they went

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to him to try to make a step aside deal

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and they couldn't work it out, the WBO sided with

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him and said, you know what, We're gonna let the

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Unification take precedent over. This ordered mandatory and basically told

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Charlie Swarez to go pound sand And so instead of

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doing that rematch, we get as fans I mean, I

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feel bad for Charlie Suarez because he probably deserved the

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better fate. But for my viewing pleasure on Saturday, I'd

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much rather be watching Emmanuel Lavarette against Eduardo Sugar and

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Nunez do it for a unification. It's gonna be a

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tremendous crowd. They're doing this in Glendale, Arizona. There'll be

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obviously a big Mexican crowd at an arena. I have

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covered fights that multiple times in the past, the Desert

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Diamond Arena that's gone through a thousand name changes. Couldn't

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tell you what it was called before.

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Speaker 3: This is the arena. This is not downtown Phoenix. It's

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out in the suburb in the desert Glendale, Arizona. And

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they've really built this up. Speaking of March and college basketball,

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they had the Final Four there a couple of years

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ago and I had not been there in several years

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in that area. But they have really built this up.

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And that is here we go underrated again. That is

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an underrated boxing hotbed in the Phoenix and greater area.

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Speaker 2: This should be a rocking environment. Here we go with

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show you question.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, look, I mean, Nunez is relatively new

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with the title. He's got a numbleet. You know, he's

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got a really good record. He's thirty and one with

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twenty eight knockouts. He's a guy that has traveled. He

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won an eliminator fight in Tajikistan, he went and won

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the title. When he won the vacant IBF title, he

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won it by going over to Japan to defeat Rishiki

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and that was, you know, you had the homecoming defense.

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Speaker 3: All I've always said, if you've gone to t Jikistan,

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you said, and at Japan, you got to get a

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homecoming of some kind after you exit those two places.

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Speaker 1: So they brought him home to Mexico, to Los Moysis, Mexico.

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That was back in September. That's when he had a

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super exciting victory against Christy As where Navarette was there

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and got in the ring afterwards and they were able

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to make this fight. And in terms of Navarete, he's

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a lot more experienced as far as at the top level.

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This is a guy that's you know, you mentioned at

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the Brenchick fight. He tried to win a title in

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a fourth way class. That did not work out, but

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he has won titles in three weight divisions. He's been

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at one hundred and thirty pound division for quite a while.

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Now he's making his fifth title defense. They both have

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great records, as they mentioned that nun yea thirty and

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one with twenty eight Naverette is thirty nine two and

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one with twenty with thirty two knockouts. They and like

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you know, based on their records and the types of

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guys they fought, they both can crack. They're both very

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They've shown good chins, they're very aggressive minded. Like I mean,

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I don't I'm trying. I'm not trying to hype it

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up too much, but when I see this kind of

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fight in the weight class that they're in, and the

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fact that they're both from Mexico, and having seen the

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types of excitement that they have brought in previous fights,

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I can't help myself but think of the names Barrera

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and Morales. I know that's how it was hyped up

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when never at they fought Valdez, and the first fight

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didn't quite live up to that, but it was like

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a decent replication, you know, if you will, at least

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in the first fight. This is also I mean, when

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Barrera Morales they fought their three awesome fights. The first

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one was a one hundred and twenty two pound unification fight,

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the second fight was for a featherweight title, they moved

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up the next weight class, and then the third fight,

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which was also a Fight of the Year, was in

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one hundred and thirty pound way class. So I have

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high hopes for this one. I think this is gonna

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be a fantastic fight.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot to like.

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Speaker 3: Again, Navarat has been somebody I've been very entertained by

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since the late twenty tens when he beat Isaac Dogbay,

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and he comes from different angles with the southpaw stands

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and the left uppercut, which you don't see all the time.

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This is going to be intriguing. And Sugar Nunia has

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had a long knockout streak. What was the knockout streak

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going before the decision win of his Japanese fighter He's got.

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I think he had won nineteen fights in a row

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by knockout before that decision win to capture his version.

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Speaker 1: Of the title. Twenty eight knockouts in thirty fights.

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Speaker 3: So that tells you that we have expectation that this

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could be a wild night and we look forward to

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it with Navarante and Sugar Nunez for the main event.

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Now before that, interesting on the card again, top rank

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Speaker 2: They are not the full promotion.

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Speaker 3: This is a match room show, but they have top

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rank fighters involved with Navarata and on the undercard. Tell

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me a little bit about the undercard. Some you're small,

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not Iliano Vargas or on the under car go ahead.

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Speaker 1: It ain't the greatest undercard. Let's be honest. Okay, I

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mean that's just at least on paper anyway, that doesn't

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mean that when the action happens, it can't turn out

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to be, you know, very exciting. Tamir Smalls is a

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is a mattroom fighter. He's sixteen to zher with eleven knockouts.

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He's from Philadelphia, has been in those gyms with all

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the top talent they have out there, trying to make

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his way up the ladder. Twenty six years old, so

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not an old fighter, not a super young fighter. And

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he's fought a lot of club type circuit shows in Philly.

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Hasn't really fought a name guy thus far. You won't

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find a lot of his fights having have been televised

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or even streamed for that matter. But now he's in

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what I think if you follow boxing, you would look

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at this. This is a legitimate test at least, So

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is a prospect or a suspect because he's taken on

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the very very experienced, gritty, very solid, legit professional and

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in top quality fights. He is perhaps slightly better than

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a gatekeeper, but he's the kind of guy where if

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you think you're going to be a world champion in

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the future, you got to beat this cat. So in

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his last fight, uh Ramos, that was the fight that

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took place. He hasn't fought in all in twenty twenty five,

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but at the end of twenty twenty four, he fought

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on the undercard when Jake Paul and Mike Tyson had

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their their big blockbuster event, and that was a fight

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in which he got a chance to fight Mario Barrios

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for the WBC welterweight title, and he fought him to

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a draw in a superb fight. I mean that card.

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You know, we can rip on Jake Paul and Mike

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Tyson for being a giant piece of floating shit. But

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the two fights that came before that, which were the

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rematch between Katie Taylor and Serrano, was an incredible fight,

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and the fight before that was Barrios against Ramos, also

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Speaker 3: Yes, so Ramos, he had Barrios hurt Lady InterVA and

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Speaker 1: Go ahead. Yeah, no, I was gonna say, but but

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of you know, you know, solid professionals. So he took

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a loss against our Dennis Gugas that goes back to

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two thousand. In twenty, he's got a win over the

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one time lightwhit t hat older Omar Figueroa junior. He

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lost to the upset minded who's scored a bunch of upsets,

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Luke Santa Maria. But it's a pretty solid guy. Was

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a very close fight to the at the time undefeated

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contender Cody Crowley, who unfortunately is I think retired now

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because of an eye injury, but he was still undefeated.

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I mean, so Ramos is a super experienced guy. He

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is the uncle of Jesus Ramos, the one hundred and

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fifty four contender who's now fighting at one hundred and

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sixty pounds. I mean, so, if you have any belief

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in Tamir Smalls, he gotta have to go through a

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very solid, a legit guy like Alba Ramos, who always

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makes a pretty good fight. He's twenty eight six and three,

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only been stopped one time in his career, and he's

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been around for quite a while. He's been fighting since

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twenty eleven. So this is the ultimate in terms of

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like a test for Smalls, who's clearly the guy they're

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looking to build up. And obviously he put him in

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the ring with a guy like Ramos, who is an

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Arizona fighter, comes from Casa Grande, you know, so he'll

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be the crowd favorite for sure in this particular fight.

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So we're gonna find out a lot about what tamer

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Smiles is all about. Now. Besides that, top rank has

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Emiliano Vargas, who was arguably the number one prospect in boxing.

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I picked him as my twenty twenty five Fight Freaks

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Unite Prospect of the Year. Proud to say, by the way,

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going back when Ryan Garcia won the world title the

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WBC welterweight world title in his big victory last weekend

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in that fight against Brios. That's another former Dan Rayfield

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Prospect of the Year who is now a world who

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had won a world title. So of my twenty six

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prospects of the year, you had another one that win

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a world title.

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Speaker 3: But I love it when you go a third person

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patting yourself on the back, so you can do that one.

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You got that one in Vargas. I learned that he

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has promise, he has genetics, he has promise. Is this

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guy going to give him a challenge?

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Speaker 1: Though, I mean probably not. I'm not that familiar with

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with the with the opponent. I mean they're building him

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up still. He's twenty three to two in one this

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August and Ezekiel at Quintana, who is the opponent. He's

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from Argentina, So if that says anything, Typically the Argentine

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fighters come and you know, they're pretty they they have

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good fundamentals, and they're usually have sturdy chins. I mean,

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you know, I'll take the opportunity to generalize a little bit.

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I mean, we can think of a thousand guys that

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have come over from Argentine that have you know, pretty solid.

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He's got, like I said, a good record. He's twenty

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nine years old, so I'm not an old used up guy.

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Hasn't lost, you know, since twenty twenty two. He did

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suffer a knockout in that fight against a opponent that

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I'm not that familiar with, a guy that stopped him

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in round number five. He's won four fights since. He

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did have a layoff for a little while in there,

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but nothing crazy. So look, it's a Emiliano is a

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fighter that a lot of people think is a future

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world champ. You know, he was part of the Bad

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Bunny super Bowl halftime shows. He was, you know, doing

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a mock barring session with Xander's Eyes, who also was

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with Top Rank. His father, for those who may not

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know or haven't realized, his father was Fernando Vargas, who

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was a two time junior midaway champion, one of the

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biggest superstars in boxing in the late nineties and early

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two thousands, was in some spectacular fights. Makes me feel

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old because I've covered a lot of Fernando's fights, including

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against Tito Trinidad and Oscar de la Joya and others.

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And so we'll see the continuing growth of Ameliatto. He's

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only twenty one years old, but he's sixteen and oh

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he's got thirteen knockouts. He's been taken, you know, you know,

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reasonable steps up for his lack of experience. He has

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movie star kind of looks. So if it turns out

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he can fight the way that a lot of the

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people that are around him do, particularly the matchmakers at

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top rank, combine that with his charisma and his exciting

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boxing style, he has the possibility to become a major

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star and was just the next step in how far

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he can go?

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Speaker 2: Potential? Is there?

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Speaker 3: Dezone match Room shows Saturday night? That's the most prominent

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fight card.

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Speaker 2: You like, when Dan Rayfield speaks to the third person,

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I always do.

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Speaker 1: I learned that from my boy Miguel Cota.

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Speaker 2: You notice you just did it again right there.

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Speaker 1: Of course I did it on purpose, San Rayfield, on purpose.

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Speaker 3: Dan Rayfield did do that on purpose. Okay, So that's

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the most prominent fight card. Now let's get into the

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fight news. We're not going to be here until Monday,

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but man, there is a lot that's happening. And the

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lead item is what year is this? What decades twenty six?

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My friend, what decade is this We got Floyd Mayweather

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and Manny Pacqui how wanting to rematch, not in twenty sixteen,

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but in twenty twenty six it's announced. It's happening September

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the nineteenth at the Sphere in Las Vegas. You and

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I were in communication earlier this week off the air

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when this came about, and let's let's just say Rayfield

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Dan Rayfield third person was none too pleased that what

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are we doing here? It's not unexpected because you and

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I we talked coming off the weekend that Mayweather's coming

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back to fight an exhibition with Mike Tyson and was

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looking to fight another fight. Pacquiao's fighting this exhibition as

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well with Pravadnikoff. So it did not take Albert Einhying

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to figure out that they're maybe gonna fight each other. Well,

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now I realize it's seven months from now. Now it's

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apparently going to be a reality.

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Speaker 1: Pick it up, listen, it's gone. It's a done deal now,

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I'd be I'd be more surprised if the rematch didn't

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happen then I would, let's say, if one of these

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exhibitions didn't happen, because there's already been people on the

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Paco side chirping about how well, maybe the Pravadennikov one

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won't happen. Who the heck knows. I mean, the exhibitions

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are really not that relevant anyway, But if they do happen,

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at least it keeps both Manny and Floyd on the

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same schedule, roughly, because both of those are supposed to

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be in April, and obviously if they fight each other,

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it's in septem or so it's enough time for them

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to have, you know, gotten in the ring and moved

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around a little bit and then have the real fight.

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But that's the thing about it, this is this is

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not an exhibition. When they fight in the rematch, it's

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Mayweather putting that beautiful fifteen to Ozero record at stake,

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which he's very proud of, of course, but look at

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the end of the day, he's putting that oh at

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stake because he needs the money. He turned forty nine

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years old, Sweet TJ. He turned forty nine years old

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on Tuesday.

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Speaker 3: REMARKA was also I saw the Dan Rayfaield photo, the

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old school photo of you with Floyd when you were

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commemorating his forty ninth birthday. He's forty nine, Paqui, how

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is forty seven?

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 3: Elaborate a little more? Do either do either one of them?

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I guess put it this way, Do either one of

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them have enough left? Do we have any weight to

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know that this is?

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Speaker 1: I mean, we saw Pacio in a real fight against Barrios,

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not that long ago, six months ago, seven months ago

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against uh, you know, in in Las Vegas, fighting for

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the WBC welterweight title. They called it a draw, but

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I and legions thought that Pacio was the rightful winner.

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Speaker 2: You were there, you were there covering it.

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Speaker 1: So so in that context, Paco, I mean, he didn't

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look like the prime many who was, you know, destroying everybody.

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But he hadn't looked like that in a long time.

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But he looked pretty good if you asked me. I mean,

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not not like a guy that was an old shot

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guy again, not as fast, maybe not as powerful maybe,

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but certainly not an elderly fighter. He looked fine. But

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again you also have to take into account he's fighting

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Mario Barrios. He was not fighting, you know, the top

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level Floyd Mayweather. But then again, Floyd is forty nine.

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And although Floyd has partaken in eight different exhibition bouts

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since he retired after the Connor McGregor Fighter at twenty seventeen.

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It's not like he's been taxing those exhibitions. He's fought nothing.

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But you know a lot of guys you never heard of.

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I mean, so, I don't know what you can prove

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in those exhibitions whatsoever. They didn't look like anything. And again,

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Floyd hasn't had a real fight, and I don't even

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think people consider the McGregor fighter real fight, even though accountant,

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So it's been a long time since he's been in

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a legitimate fight. Say whatever you want about Pacyo, and

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maybe you say whatever you want about the talent level

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of Mario Barrios. Barrio Baris is a real professional fighter

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who has been a good contender and won world titles.

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And that's a real guy. You know. He may not

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be on the pound for pound list, but he's a

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real guy. And Paco fought him straight up and probably

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beat him in most people's eyes, so he's got that

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going for him. Pacou is the younger fighter. Pacio is

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the fresher fighter from the standpoint of having fought most recently.

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He's obviously taken way more punishment through the course of

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his career than Floyd because Floyd's defense has been so

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pristine and so beautiful for all those years. But look,

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this is one of those deals where Netflix is doing

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this fight, so it's not gonna cost one hundred dollars

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on pay per view like they did when they fought

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at Long Last than twenty fifteen, so they're gonna have

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a huge audience because the thing about it is Manny

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Pacao and Floyd may Whether are mainstream names and everybody

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in the world knows who they are, whether you're a

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boxing fan or not. I'm gonna tell you a little

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story about that. Humor me for a minute, sure, I

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try to figure out, like why are they doing this

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because they want to draw in the casual viewer, so

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diehards like you and me and others that are involved

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in this shit on a daily basis, or you know,

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people are followers boxing very closely, maybe don't really give

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a shit about the fight, even though they'll probably watch anyway.

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The person they're trying to attract is the casual person

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who has Netflix, Like hundreds of millions of people around

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the world do who know their names and be like, yeah,

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Mayweather packing, I don't have to pay pay per view.

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I'm gonna check that out. The reason why I'm saying

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this is because it dawned on me, who are trying

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to attract Because a few days before the announcement of

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this fight was made, Netflix also announced in conjunction with MVP,

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that they were going to do an MMA fight on

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Netflix between Ronda Rowsey and Gina Kurana.

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Speaker 2: That's correct.

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Speaker 1: Now. I am not an MMA diehard fan by any

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stretch of the imagination. I would consider myself an extremely

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casual MMA fan. If there's some big megathing and I've

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heard of them, I might look for the result. I

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might have watched the clips on social media. I don't

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buy the pay per views, obviously they don't exist anymore

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because of Paramount Plus. But I would still might check

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out a fight if it was a big enough name.

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So if you told me it was brock Lesner, or

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was Connor McGregor, or was you know, John Jones, I

471
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,720
know who those guys are, So it dawned. I mean,

472
00:21:39,759 --> 00:21:42,440
I know who Ronda Rowsey and Corona are, and I'm like, oh,

473
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,839
that sounds interesting to me. I'm that casual person of

474
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,319
MMA that Netflix is trying to appeal to, and they're

475
00:21:48,319 --> 00:21:51,440
trying to do the same thing with the head win

476
00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,960
a pack you fight, Whereas the diehard MMA fan may

477
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,160
have seen that advertising for Krano against Rowsey and not

478
00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,039
really cared. But that's the reason why.

479
00:21:59,079 --> 00:22:02,119
Speaker 3: And it's the same premise behind the Anthony Joshua Jake

480
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,640
Paul and that if you were a hardcore boxing fan,

481
00:22:04,759 --> 00:22:07,759
you know Joshua even though he's not an American, and

482
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,160
the social media interest in and around Jake Paul drew

483
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,119
people from both avenues, hardcore.

484
00:22:13,759 --> 00:22:16,839
Speaker 2: Boxing, etc. And so you're right.

485
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,960
Speaker 3: I mean, there's no doubt there's method to the madness.

486
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,079
They're doing these tent pole events, these one off events,

487
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,039
so there's method to it. I get it, just don't

488
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,240
My only thing is just don't come crying to me.

489
00:22:28,319 --> 00:22:30,599
The first fight was a dud, and part of that

490
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,200
was Pacquiao was injured with a bad shoulder that needed

491
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,839
surgery for part of it, and we remember that backdrop.

492
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,599
And this is now eleven years later and they're both

493
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:40,880
almost fifty years old.

494
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Speaker 2: So I don't know what else it's gonna be.

495
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,400
Speaker 1: All I can say is anybody that tunes into this

496
00:22:45,559 --> 00:22:47,279
by all means, watch it because it's not going to

497
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,039
cost you extra money if you're already a subscriber. But

498
00:22:50,279 --> 00:22:54,119
just just go with the proper expectations about this.

499
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,200
Speaker 3: How about this, I mean, just pose it this way.

500
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,039
And we got plenty of time when we go around

501
00:22:58,079 --> 00:22:59,680
to talk about this. And I'm still skeptical that we

502
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:01,640
get to September and both of them are healthy, both

503
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:03,519
of them can fight with I don't know, but when

504
00:23:03,599 --> 00:23:07,400
we get there, it is a legitimate point. This may

505
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,519
be the best opportunity that any opponent has had to

506
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:15,720
actually hit and corner Floyd Mayweather because he's pushing fifty

507
00:23:15,839 --> 00:23:19,440
years old. Yeah, and Pacquiao might be able to connect.

508
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,160
Speaker 1: Some and al is going to be coming off of

509
00:23:22,279 --> 00:23:24,880
not the longest layoff in the world and did have

510
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,799
a quality performance in his recent fight against Barrios. All right,

511
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:30,720
So there's that, and that was many coming out of

512
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:34,079
before year retirement. Now, Mayweather, despite the various exhibitions which

513
00:23:34,079 --> 00:23:35,839
he you can just watch him, you know, he didn't

514
00:23:35,839 --> 00:23:39,119
train a day for He's coming out of, in essence,

515
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,400
a decade long retirement. His last fight was in two

516
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:45,200
thousand and seventeen, and now here we are in twenty

517
00:23:45,279 --> 00:23:48,319
twenty six, and that's a long time without having a

518
00:23:48,319 --> 00:23:50,799
real fight. Even if he's keep you know, he's taking

519
00:23:50,839 --> 00:23:53,480
care of himself in his retirement. You know. The one

520
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,240
thing about Floyd, he doesn't, you know, fluctuate dramatically in

521
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,480
a way. He's not a known guy to be smoking

522
00:23:58,519 --> 00:24:00,480
and drinking and that type of thing. He doesn't do drugs,

523
00:24:00,759 --> 00:24:03,720
so he gives himself at least a reasonable chance. But

524
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,359
as I've said many many times, I do I'm not

525
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,319
that interested in the rematch. Because I am a boxing reporter.

526
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,039
I probably will make the trip and go to cover

527
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,960
this fight. I have covered something like twenty Floyd Mayweather

528
00:24:14,039 --> 00:24:16,200
fights in person. I have covered like twenty four twenty

529
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,240
five flight Made Pacio fights in person. I will add

530
00:24:19,279 --> 00:24:20,160
one more to that ledger.

531
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Speaker 2: So that is for later this year.

532
00:24:24,039 --> 00:24:26,319
Speaker 3: Now we move on to more news and now we're

533
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,440
back again with Netflix. We're back with Turkey Ala Chic,

534
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,319
and we're back with Connor Binn. Now it says on

535
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:37,079
my rundown Connor Bin's one fight, fifteen million dollar fight

536
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:42,440
with ZUFA will be against Regis Prograde. That's the opponent. However,

537
00:24:43,039 --> 00:24:47,599
I love the pushback when they announced this Turkey alashk

538
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,720
and the ring. There was no mention of Zufa Boxing.

539
00:24:50,839 --> 00:24:54,720
There's not a Zufa Boxing logo on the design, art,

540
00:24:54,799 --> 00:24:58,319
the promo, et cetera. I submit again, I'm not just

541
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,640
going to go down the road for five to ten minutes. Again,

542
00:25:01,319 --> 00:25:05,599
this is not a Zufa Boxing event. It's not I

543
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,559
mean Turkey Ala chic putting this on. Who's the financial benefactor?

544
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,160
And it's a separate thing from Zufa Boxing because it's

545
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,920
on the undercard of Tyson Perry and you would know

546
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,079
you put this on the rundown. This has got to

547
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,920
be the highest purse for any undercard fighter.

548
00:25:21,039 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 1: No question, no question.

549
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,559
Speaker 2: Right for Conravan and Regis Prograde, tell me.

550
00:25:24,519 --> 00:25:28,079
Speaker 1: More well, Number one, his contract is with Zufa Boxing,

551
00:25:28,319 --> 00:25:31,680
But Zufa Boxing is backed by Sela and Turkey. Right.

552
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:36,079
So Mark Shapiro, who was the COO and president of

553
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,839
TKO Group Holdings for Holdings Group that's the parent company

554
00:25:39,839 --> 00:25:44,920
of UFC, Zufa Boxing and WWE, he had on Wednesday

555
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,039
of this week in earnings call because they're a publicly

556
00:25:48,039 --> 00:25:51,559
traded company, and with the reports of from me frankly

557
00:25:51,599 --> 00:25:54,000
that it was a fifteen million dollars deal to do

558
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,720
the connor benfight. He was asked about the outlay and

559
00:25:57,799 --> 00:26:00,359
how that impacted anything related to their bottom line, and

560
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,519
people can go on my sub stack. It's not behind

561
00:26:02,519 --> 00:26:04,759
the paywall of this story. You can read all about it.

562
00:26:04,799 --> 00:26:07,160
I quoted everything he said in there about it, and

563
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,720
he made the point, this is the president of the

564
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:14,559
company speaking. We signed connor Ben, meaning ZUFA. They signed him,

565
00:26:14,839 --> 00:26:17,680
and they are being backed by Turkey. It's not coming

566
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,240
from They're not making the outlay of the money. Turkey

567
00:26:20,319 --> 00:26:22,319
is the one that's that's making the fun.

568
00:26:22,079 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 2: Of them, as we talked about back on side.

569
00:26:24,519 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 1: So, yes, it's a ZUFA, he's a ZUFA fighter quote

570
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,680
unquote because of the contract. But they're all the same company,

571
00:26:30,759 --> 00:26:32,200
So don't get caught up at it. Is that a

572
00:26:32,279 --> 00:26:34,039
ZUFA fighter, Is that a ring magazine fighter, is that

573
00:26:34,079 --> 00:26:38,119
a read season whatever. It's Turkey in conjunction with his people,

574
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,559
and they're putting this fight on Netflix. And ZUFA, by

575
00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:42,160
the way, is going to do a series of these

576
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,480
fights on Netflix. They've got their monthly shows on Paramount Plus.

577
00:26:45,599 --> 00:26:47,920
But they're gonna do from what Mark Shapiro was saying,

578
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,160
and what has been known pretty much since they created

579
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,119
this ZUFA Boxing thing is that they're going to probably

580
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,319
do what they're calling super fights, like two to four

581
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,359
per year that will probably be on Netflix, and so

582
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,599
this is one of them. They have Tyson Fury in

583
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,279
the unretirement fight against mahmadav And is at the Tottenham

584
00:27:05,279 --> 00:27:08,079
Hotspur Arena Stadium in London. That is the same place

585
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,160
where Connor Ben had the two fights against Chris Hubank

586
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,720
Junior in twenty twenty five. And he is now going

587
00:27:13,759 --> 00:27:16,480
to be honest undercard at one hundred and fifty pounds,

588
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:18,480
So he's on his way. You know, he fought the

589
00:27:18,519 --> 00:27:21,480
two fights at one sixty. He had had two in

590
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,240
between fights when he was here in America during his

591
00:27:23,319 --> 00:27:26,559
drug suspension at in the junior middleweight division. He wants

592
00:27:26,559 --> 00:27:28,359
to go back to welterweight, so he's on his way

593
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,039
back down to forty seven. This fight's contract at one

594
00:27:31,039 --> 00:27:33,880
point fifty from my sources tell me that was not announced.

595
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,519
It's a ten round fight, so he's getting fifteen million

596
00:27:36,519 --> 00:27:38,640
bucks for ten rounds. That's a pretty good deal and

597
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,240
it'll be the the co feature. If you will of

598
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,039
Tyson Fury's return, and it's going to be in England,

599
00:27:44,039 --> 00:27:45,799
of course, in Netflix trying to make a big play there.

600
00:27:45,839 --> 00:27:49,240
And you can argue easily that the biggest boxing stars

601
00:27:49,279 --> 00:27:52,200
in the UK are in whatever or do you put them,

602
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,920
Tyson Furry, Anthony Joshua One, Connor Ben and to have

603
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,400
two of them on the same show is a pretty

604
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:58,920
big deal. So so.

605
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 3: It we know this Regis is at the end. Regis

606
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:07,440
was an entertaining fighter for a while, but he he struggled.

607
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,000
He certainly got whitewashed by Devin Haney and embarrassed in

608
00:28:12,039 --> 00:28:14,799
that fight. He then lost to Jack Catterall after that

609
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:20,079
and now has won one other fight. He beat He

610
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,920
beat Jojo Diaz. Whatever's left of Jojo Diaz.

611
00:28:23,039 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: There's nothing left of Jojo.

612
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 3: I mean still, you gotta believe program's getting a decent

613
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:31,359
payday here. He's the opponent traveling to England. Anymore on

614
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,079
that part of it, I thought this was.

615
00:28:33,079 --> 00:28:34,759
Speaker 1: One of the one of the interesting things when and

616
00:28:34,759 --> 00:28:37,599
I had kind of forgotten this until Regis brought it up.

617
00:28:37,599 --> 00:28:39,880
And when they put out their announcement of the fight,

618
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,400
there were some comments from the two fighters and Regis

619
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,039
made the point that for him he's fought this will

620
00:28:45,039 --> 00:28:47,160
be his third time fighting in the UK. He did

621
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,519
have one fight in Manchester, but the first time he

622
00:28:49,559 --> 00:28:51,559
fought in the UK was when he had what was

623
00:28:51,559 --> 00:28:55,039
the spectacular fight in the title unification fight at one

624
00:28:55,119 --> 00:28:57,480
hundred and forty pounds him against Josh Taylor. That was

625
00:28:57,559 --> 00:29:01,200
during the World Boxing Super Series. A tremendous battle, great fight,

626
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,319
he lost, a really super close fight. And he made

627
00:29:04,319 --> 00:29:06,680
the point in his comment that on the undercard that

628
00:29:07,119 --> 00:29:09,920
he called this fight with Connor a full circle moment

629
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,039
for him because his first fight that he had in

630
00:29:12,079 --> 00:29:15,920
the UK on that show where he was headlining against

631
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,119
Josh Taylor on the undercard that night was the prospect

632
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:20,720
Connor Ben. And I went, I looked it up and

633
00:29:20,759 --> 00:29:25,039
sure enough, Connor Ben was fifteen and oh was just

634
00:29:25,079 --> 00:29:26,960
fighting in like a random I think an eight rounder

635
00:29:27,039 --> 00:29:29,680
or something like that on the undercard. He got to win.

636
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,839
And now here we are these years later, and now

637
00:29:31,839 --> 00:29:33,680
Connor Ben is the A side and a major star

638
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,880
in the UK, and now he's a fighting Regis Progray

639
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,440
who was playing out the string and at the end

640
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,119
of his career, having come off a couple of bad

641
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,440
losses and frankly having not looked all that good even

642
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,759
in the losses, and now he's going to be fighting

643
00:29:44,799 --> 00:29:47,240
at the second heaviest weight of his career. He's been

644
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,720
a career long one hundred and forty pounder. There's one

645
00:29:49,799 --> 00:29:52,160
fight way back in the early days where he actually

646
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,319
weighed one fifty one, but hardly you could count that

647
00:29:54,359 --> 00:29:56,400
because it was just, you know, an up and coming

648
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,359
prospect he type fight. But now he's in at one

649
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,240
hundred and fifty for this as a thirty seven year

650
00:30:01,279 --> 00:30:03,920
old guy who's at the tail end of his career. Clearly,

651
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,319
they got an opponent with a good name. They got

652
00:30:06,319 --> 00:30:10,559
an opponent like Regis who will be willing to partake

653
00:30:10,559 --> 00:30:12,279
in the promotion. He's always been a good talker with

654
00:30:12,319 --> 00:30:14,359
the rest, enjoys that part of the game and the

655
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,119
fans and the whole thing, and you know, a pretty

656
00:30:16,119 --> 00:30:16,920
good guy and all that.

657
00:30:17,559 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 3: And hey, good for him that he's getting the check

658
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,759
and getting the money here. And we'll see again when

659
00:30:22,759 --> 00:30:24,079
we get to this. Now that the thing is, we

660
00:30:24,079 --> 00:30:26,039
don't have to wait very long. We're looking at about

661
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,519
forty five days or less here before this happens.

662
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 2: In April.

663
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 3: We were wondering if this would be its own thing

664
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,279
in May, but it's actually on that undercard for April

665
00:30:35,319 --> 00:30:35,759
the eleven.

666
00:30:35,839 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: That was the one thing that did surprise me. I

667
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,400
mean I thought that they were going to do like

668
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,640
a back to back thing with Connor in the main

669
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,400
and on once show and Tyson Fury on the other.

670
00:30:43,759 --> 00:30:47,160
So I was pleasantly surprised, actually because now you at

671
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,400
least get a little more name wreck name value for him.

672
00:30:49,559 --> 00:30:51,519
Speaker 3: It say it one more time for the audience. Here

673
00:30:51,599 --> 00:30:54,799
this lines up that they're trying to get Connor been

674
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,240
in a well toweight world title fight with either Devin

675
00:30:57,279 --> 00:31:01,160
Haney or Ryan Garcia, or maybe the winner Hainey and Garcia,

676
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,440
if it comes to that. Am I making too much sense?

677
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,559
Speaker 1: No? I mean I think you're You're speaking exactly the

678
00:31:07,599 --> 00:31:10,079
way that anybody with the brain would think. So this

679
00:31:10,119 --> 00:31:12,599
is going to be April eleventh, which leaves though, if

680
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,200
he wins, plenty of time for him to do another fight,

681
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,079
you know, later in the year, where it could be

682
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,119
against the Ryan Garcia, it could be against them.

683
00:31:21,319 --> 00:31:23,799
Speaker 3: He was making fun of Devon Haney after Devin Haney

684
00:31:23,839 --> 00:31:28,200
won on the on the ring card against Brian Norman.

685
00:31:28,279 --> 00:31:30,119
He was there and making fun of Devin Haney.

686
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 2: That might work.

687
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: We'll say what we say. What anybody says is not relevant.

688
00:31:34,079 --> 00:31:36,880
The puppet master is Turkey if he decides he wants

689
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,279
to do the rematch between Haney and Ryan Garcia. Remember

690
00:31:40,279 --> 00:31:43,119
they were supposed to do the remat then Ryan Garcia

691
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,480
lost the fight against Romero, and Devin Hainey on that

692
00:31:45,559 --> 00:31:48,799
same night looked absolutely terrible in a win. However, now

693
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,640
that has a lot a lot more spice to it

694
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,240
than it did at that moment because Ryan looked great

695
00:31:54,279 --> 00:31:57,759
against Barrios, he won a world title. Hainey has come

696
00:31:57,799 --> 00:31:59,960
back from that horrible performance in the win against Ramire,

697
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,799
he fought in Saudi Arabia. He had a very good

698
00:32:02,839 --> 00:32:05,799
victory against Brian Norman to become the WBO champion. And

699
00:32:05,839 --> 00:32:07,920
now not only have both guys looked good in their

700
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,359
last fights, but it would be a title unification fight,

701
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:15,240
and I would dare say within American boxing, it's probably

702
00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:17,119
the biggest fight you can make. I would say, even

703
00:32:17,119 --> 00:32:20,039
bigger than Jeron Butennis against Verge l artis. Everybody's trying

704
00:32:20,079 --> 00:32:23,440
to get done. So Turkey, Mago that route and maybe

705
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,240
they'll give the winner of that fight a chance to

706
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,519
fight Connor bed I don't think there's any urgency that

707
00:32:27,559 --> 00:32:28,920
he has to fight for the title right away. I

708
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:33,039
know he's highly ranked in the WBC. We'll see what happens.

709
00:32:33,079 --> 00:32:36,559
But the fact is any of those fights will be marketable,

710
00:32:36,599 --> 00:32:37,759
and so that's what it's all about.

711
00:32:38,799 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 2: Agreed.

712
00:32:39,599 --> 00:32:42,839
Speaker 3: While we're here, we mentioned Jake Paul and Anthony Joshua

713
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,519
and Netflix, and you had the update, and Jake Paul

714
00:32:45,599 --> 00:32:48,200
actually had the update on his social media that he's

715
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,920
had to have a second surgery on his job. But now,

716
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,000
by the way, you and I haven't talked about this.

717
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:59,839
His girlfriend arguably became equally, if not more famous athletically

718
00:33:00,039 --> 00:33:02,599
because she just took home a silver medal in speed

719
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,359
skating at the Winter Olympics in Italy. But Jake Paul

720
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,720
has said, hey, he had to have another surgery, he's

721
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:15,200
had problems sleeping because of the jaw situation and the

722
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:19,400
whole bit. So elaborate a little more on he's revealing

723
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:20,640
there the after time.

724
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:22,799
Speaker 1: Up recently on his social media. Obviously, we know he

725
00:33:22,839 --> 00:33:24,480
got knocked out in the six round by Joshua. Was

726
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,240
a brutal knockout. He posted some of the X rays

727
00:33:27,319 --> 00:33:29,759
or whatever the pictures were of the jaw on his

728
00:33:29,799 --> 00:33:32,200
social media. Afterwards, he had a broken jown two places.

729
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,240
He had surgery right after, you know, the day after

730
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:35,799
the fight. They had to take out some of his teeth.

731
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,079
Kind of a mess, and apparently as he put on

732
00:33:39,119 --> 00:33:40,759
his social media. He didn't put up new pictures or

733
00:33:40,759 --> 00:33:42,240
anything like that. He said, but the screws and the

734
00:33:42,279 --> 00:33:44,839
plates were coming loose because I guess he said, he

735
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,920
didn't rest enough over the last couple of months, and

736
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,160
so they had to do another surgery to tighten things up,

737
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,319
I guess, and to do it better, which is unfortunate.

738
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,200
I mean, you know, I know a lot of people

739
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:54,799
hate Jake Paul, but I don't want to see the guy.

740
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:56,400
I mean, I don't hate the guy. I'm just saying

741
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:57,680
I don't think anybody want to see him. Have to

742
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,599
have a second uber when I come back to injury.

743
00:34:00,799 --> 00:34:02,319
Speaker 2: I'm not going third person. TJ.

744
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,599
Speaker 3: Reeves is saying this. Dan Rayphiel said this for the

745
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,680
longest time. You don't play boxing, so you can say

746
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:13,119
whatever you want about him being a leveraging circus. He

747
00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:15,960
got in the ring with the former unified heavyweight champion,

748
00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:18,559
and he got his jaw broken in two places, taking

749
00:34:18,599 --> 00:34:20,000
a big time right hand.

750
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,119
Speaker 1: In the vernacular of what the kids say these days

751
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:24,119
around and find out.

752
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, and so he got in there and got

753
00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:28,559
paid a bunch, but he got the jaw broken too,

754
00:34:29,079 --> 00:34:30,360
and he said they had him put.

755
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:34,280
Speaker 1: In the original surgery, they had put in two titanium

756
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,159
plates implanted as well as remove some of his teeth

757
00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:39,199
and so, and then he had to have a second surgery.

758
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:40,239
So I'm sure that will be.

759
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 3: It's basically when you're describing this, and I know people

760
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,599
that have had broken jaws, and I've seen other athletes

761
00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:48,480
describe this, it is basically reconstructive surgery on your jaw

762
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,400
on your face, is what he's talking about. And it

763
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,679
didn't take. It didn't completely work, So that's not fun.

764
00:34:55,119 --> 00:34:56,320
Speaker 1: The good thing, though, is if he's going to go

765
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:57,920
and continue with his boxing career.

766
00:34:58,039 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 3: So I was just gonna ask you this, do you

767
00:35:00,519 --> 00:35:04,960
think we see him fight in twenty twenty six, fight

768
00:35:05,079 --> 00:35:07,280
in the next ten months? Do you think we will

769
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,800
see him in the ring or is he just counting

770
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:10,480
money at this point.

771
00:35:10,559 --> 00:35:13,119
Speaker 1: I'll just say this I think absolutely he will fight again,

772
00:35:13,199 --> 00:35:14,880
whether he does it this year or not. You know,

773
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,519
it's gonna better out how it heals. What I was

774
00:35:16,559 --> 00:35:18,679
gonna say though, is these are the types of injuries

775
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,280
that absolutely can be overcome. And the one of the

776
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,719
classic recent examples of Jaio but Tia had a bat

777
00:35:24,039 --> 00:35:27,400
against Bratus and he went on and healed nicely, and

778
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,400
he's you know, became the you know, the champ, and

779
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,360
he's doing his thing. He's fighting Sunday night, one week

780
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,079
from Sunday on the ZUFA boxing card, defending the title.

781
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,400
So it's not like a synergy that ends your career,

782
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,360
but it's still a very painful injury. I remember, talking

783
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,039
by the way to Oscar Valdez. It some of the

784
00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:46,360
broken jaw in the fight which I was at against

785
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,960
Scot Quick, which was a classic kind of battle and

786
00:35:49,039 --> 00:35:52,960
a big, big heart from from from Valdez to continue

787
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,440
through that fight with the bust of job, with the

788
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,679
bloods pouring out of his mouth, and when he was better,

789
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,800
I remember sitting with him in the one of the

790
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:05,119
salon rooms downstairs at the MGM where I was covering

791
00:36:05,159 --> 00:36:06,840
another fight, maybe it was the Mandal like that forget

792
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,599
which it was, but anyway, and he was telling me

793
00:36:08,639 --> 00:36:10,679
about what it was like having the broken jawed. How

794
00:36:10,679 --> 00:36:12,800
we you know, for those first weeks he's like drinking

795
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,920
out of a straw and he's drinking yogurt and you

796
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,079
know they're puring his food. And even no matter what

797
00:36:18,199 --> 00:36:20,039
you would say, no matter what happened when I would

798
00:36:20,039 --> 00:36:22,119
go to sleep, I couldn't get comfortable, no matter how

799
00:36:22,159 --> 00:36:23,920
I turned my head or it was just you know,

800
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,599
it's terrible. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.

801
00:36:25,599 --> 00:36:26,440
It's a horrible injury.

802
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 3: Moving on from that, Katie Taylor one of the all

803
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,960
time female greats, certainly in the UK. It give me

804
00:36:35,039 --> 00:36:39,000
argue she's the most prominent female fighter ever. She's gonna

805
00:36:39,039 --> 00:36:41,320
have a farewell fight. What are the deats on the

806
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,559
farewell fight? Coming out here?

807
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 2: Midweek?

808
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 1: So she went and she did an interview with RTE,

809
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,039
which is one of the national broadcasters in Ireland, where

810
00:36:50,039 --> 00:36:52,679
she's from and where she's a national hero. She of

811
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,280
course was the twenty twelve Olympic gold medal. She was

812
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:59,079
representing Ireland once again in twenty sixteen Olympics. She's a

813
00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:02,400
two division on disputed women's champion, being a very long

814
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,960
time undisputed champion in the lightweight division. She then moved

815
00:37:06,039 --> 00:37:09,599
up to junior welterweight. Had her first ever professional fight

816
00:37:09,679 --> 00:37:11,840
that late in her career, just a couple of years ago,

817
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,880
when she fought against Chantel Cameron challenged her for the

818
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,559
undisputed title and she took her first loss in a

819
00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:21,639
spectacular fight, and then they rematched once again, also in Dublin,

820
00:37:22,039 --> 00:37:25,280
and she won. They were both majority decisions and each

821
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,480
woman won one of the fights, but they were both

822
00:37:27,519 --> 00:37:30,920
sensational fight of the Year fights, and she became the

823
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,920
undisputed junior welterweight champion, which he's been defending in her

824
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:38,400
most recent fights. She ended up after she defeated Amanda

825
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:42,400
Serrano in the third fight, she was told the WBC,

826
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,599
who had a mandatory that was doing, which actually was

827
00:37:44,639 --> 00:37:46,599
going to be against Cameron, which would have been a

828
00:37:46,599 --> 00:37:48,840
trilogy fight who had become the interim title holder. Anyway,

829
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,440
she said, I'm taking some time off, so they made

830
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,599
her the champion a recess, and so it was not

831
00:37:53,639 --> 00:37:55,199
clear what her schedule was going to be, but she'd

832
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,840
always sort of intimated that, yes, I'm going to fight again.

833
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,280
But now she's made the decision, as she said in

834
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,000
this interview with RT, that she's gonna have one more fight.

835
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,000
It's going to be a farewell fight. She's gonna do

836
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:06,880
it in Dublin where everything she wants to do it

837
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,440
at the big you know, uh, soccer stadium, you.

838
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,760
Speaker 2: Know football Crolk Park, right Park.

839
00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 1: Exactly, which is in Dublin, and they've you know, Matchroom Boxing,

840
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,639
which is her career long promoter has at various times

841
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,519
investigated the prospect of doing something at Croke Parton for

842
00:38:21,559 --> 00:38:23,679
whatever the reason, whether it's the schedule of one of

843
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,880
votes that they had, or it's it's the logistics or

844
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:27,639
the costs, or.

845
00:38:27,639 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 3: They were trying for example, to your point, they were

846
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,239
trying to have the Serrano rematch. Maybe it didn't work

847
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:33,960
park and it didn't come about, it didn't happen.

848
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,039
Speaker 1: So she'd like to fight there. If she can't fight there,

849
00:38:36,079 --> 00:38:38,199
she mentioned a couple other places. There's another stadium that

850
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,880
she would be interested in called the Viva Stadium. There's

851
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,239
also less she as I mentioned the Three Arena, which

852
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,159
is where she fought the two fights against Chantel Cameron.

853
00:38:47,039 --> 00:38:49,840
But she's determined to have her final fight in Dublin,

854
00:38:50,599 --> 00:38:52,840
have a big celebration. She has had a great career,

855
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:54,400
be a great way for he just to walk out

856
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,280
on top. She still has multiple of the junior walterweight titles.

857
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,239
We'll see, you know what type of opponent they do.

858
00:39:00,599 --> 00:39:04,639
But you know, very rarely are their storybooks send off

859
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,920
in boxing. But if they can get her the right

860
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,079
fight and she wins and she truly does walk away,

861
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,480
I mean she's gonna be a first ballot Hall of

862
00:39:11,519 --> 00:39:14,679
Famer without question. She is probably the most popular female

863
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:19,639
boxer in the history of women's boxing, beloved beyond belief

864
00:39:19,679 --> 00:39:22,480
by her people, and has made a tremendous amount of

865
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,360
money and been in a lot of big time events.

866
00:39:24,679 --> 00:39:27,719
I mean, she'll have always the great trilogy with Amanda Serrano,

867
00:39:28,039 --> 00:39:29,840
first two fights in which were all time classics, the

868
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,239
two great fights against Cameron, for all kinds of other

869
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,480
top women as well. And I will say this from

870
00:39:35,519 --> 00:39:37,920
my own personal experience, you just can't meet a more

871
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,639
lovely human being than Katie Taylor. There's not you know,

872
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,599
in boxing. I don't care who you are, you gonna

873
00:39:42,599 --> 00:39:45,679
find somebody to say to end f somebody you could

874
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:49,360
go talk to a thousand people that are involved in

875
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,360
some fashion or some way in boxing, and no one

876
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,519
will say a bad word about Katie Taylor. So good

877
00:39:54,599 --> 00:39:57,480
luck to her. She gets to close her her career

878
00:39:57,519 --> 00:39:58,039
the right way.

879
00:39:58,159 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 2: We'll keep an eye on win it happens, and who

880
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:02,360
the opponent is, etc.

881
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 3: While we're here, let's follow up because on the recap podcast,

882
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,760
we were doing the recap podcast on Sunday night, but

883
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:13,440
the Claressa Shield's main event had not completed. So since

884
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,559
we're talking women's boxing, Shields did win over franchon Cruz

885
00:40:17,639 --> 00:40:22,559
desern on Sunday night in Detroit, raucus crowd. They're at

886
00:40:22,599 --> 00:40:26,239
the Little Caesars Arena, the Downtown Arena. Again, these are

887
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,800
almost foregone conclusions where she dominates, she wins the decision.

888
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,639
Give me a follow up thought or two on Shields

889
00:40:32,639 --> 00:40:34,199
in victory since we haven't talked about it.

890
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 1: Well, she's still the number one fighter in a female

891
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,880
boxing pound for pound without question. She also, by the way,

892
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,280
whether you're a mailboxer or a female boxer, she has

893
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,800
shown herself as legitimately one of the biggest draws in

894
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:49,320
American boxing. She puts eighteen thousand people thereabouts in the

895
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,320
Little Caesars Arena for a Sunday night women's boxing main

896
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,559
event and an undercard that while may have some appeal

897
00:40:55,599 --> 00:40:59,280
to the local market, but didn't have any significant meaning

898
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,239
as far as title and this and that she's a

899
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,320
superstar at least where she's from. She drew a big

900
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,679
crowd and she's a superb fighter. And she was fighting

901
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,960
France on Cruise Desern. They fought each other in their

902
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,480
professional debuts. It was a tremendous battle, but Claressa won

903
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,880
all four rounds forty to thirty six and all three

904
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,760
score cards. But Franchion Cruise got a lot better since then,

905
00:41:20,039 --> 00:41:23,039
she ended up becoming the undisputed super midleweight champion and

906
00:41:23,079 --> 00:41:25,559
has accomplishment of her own. And so they did this

907
00:41:25,599 --> 00:41:27,239
remash and they have been good friends and there was

908
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,679
a lot of chippiness in the promotion, but outside the

909
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:33,119
ring for years and years, Franchion and Claressa been pals

910
00:41:33,199 --> 00:41:35,519
with each other, even though it might have become negative

911
00:41:35,559 --> 00:41:39,679
during the promotion. And again, similar to the first fight,

912
00:41:40,039 --> 00:41:42,679
they put on a really exciting, entertaining, crowd pleasing fight

913
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,400
and Clarissa won every single round. So they've now boxed

914
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,920
fourteen rounds against each other, the four round pro debut

915
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,719
and the ten round fight that was for Claressa's undisputed

916
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,199
heavyweight title, keeping in mind that the women when they're

917
00:41:55,199 --> 00:41:57,679
doing heavyweight fights are boxing around one hundred and seventy

918
00:41:57,679 --> 00:42:01,800
five pounds light heavyweights for boxers. And she won all

919
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:03,800
ten rounds on all three scorecards, so she is now

920
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,480
on all three cards of both fights. She's won all

921
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,440
fourteen rounds, so what's fourteen times three? She's won every

922
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:15,239
scored round between them, and that would two. Okay, I'm

923
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,440
not that good at math anyway, but it was a

924
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,800
for a ten round to zero fight, which was legitimately

925
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:22,920
a ten round zero fight. It was a heck of

926
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,400
a fight, a lot of excitement, a lot of back

927
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,639
and forth, a lot of good action. You know, Claressa

928
00:42:26,639 --> 00:42:28,639
has always been more of a boxer, but you know,

929
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,440
I don't know what it is about franchise cruise, but

930
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:35,360
she brings out the more aggressive minded person that will

931
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,719
come forward and throw a lot more punches. And so

932
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:39,320
it turned out to be a fun fight and she

933
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,599
won easily. And now the question is who the hell

934
00:42:41,639 --> 00:42:44,679
does she fight? Because she's cleaned the slate of those

935
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:46,960
opponents that she's been beating. She's done it in the

936
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,920
lower way classes and now the only there's two fights

937
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:54,239
out there that seem like could draw some interest as well.

938
00:42:54,519 --> 00:42:56,440
She could fight Shadaisa Green, who's got one of the

939
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,320
titles at one sixty eight. That's one of the women

940
00:42:58,639 --> 00:43:02,519
who has one of the belts at that division, but

941
00:43:02,559 --> 00:43:05,840
also is known to be a pretty good puncher. Nothing

942
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,800
against Green, I just don't see her hanging with Claressa

943
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,960
for ten rounds, I you know, be another you know,

944
00:43:11,039 --> 00:43:14,679
one sided scoring grade. And then the other fight, which

945
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,000
would be a big deal, is Claressa would drop down

946
00:43:18,599 --> 00:43:22,920
to into somewhere into the one sixties and fight uh MICHAELA. Mayor,

947
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,679
her Olympic teammate and friend, who would come up. She

948
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,920
is now has a title at one hundred and fifty four pounds,

949
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:29,760
although she won her first title at one hundred and

950
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:30,400
thirty pounds.

951
00:43:30,519 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean to me, that's a that's a commercial fight,

952
00:43:33,599 --> 00:43:35,519
and that's a commercial fight. But that's a big stretch

953
00:43:35,559 --> 00:43:37,119
for Mayor to be fighting at middleweight.

954
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,159
Speaker 1: But Mayor's going to be quick and Mayor's got good skills.

955
00:43:40,039 --> 00:43:44,119
Speaker 3: And shields obviously is a huge draw, but that would

956
00:43:44,159 --> 00:43:45,960
be a concern too that she's got to knock off

957
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,039
a lot of weight in that instance to get back

958
00:43:48,079 --> 00:43:51,480
down around one sixties. She talked openly about how much

959
00:43:51,519 --> 00:43:55,480
trouble she had making one sixty previously, so whatever that's worth.

960
00:43:56,039 --> 00:43:59,199
Speaker 1: But those if you're looking for the so called quote

961
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,639
unquote big fight for Claressa, it's gonna be either Green

962
00:44:03,199 --> 00:44:06,239
or Mayor just based on their accomplishments and their name value,

963
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,280
and of course Mikaela is a much bigger name than

964
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,280
Chadeza Green. They have the story of having been friends

965
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,559
and Olympic teammates. Both have won titles in multiple divisions.

966
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:17,679
You know, if you are making your pound for pound

967
00:44:18,519 --> 00:44:21,440
women's top fighter list, I think Claressa of course would

968
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,239
be number one, but Mikaela is gonna be somewhere in

969
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,400
that top five. I mean, so from that point of view,

970
00:44:27,119 --> 00:44:31,039
you know, I'd like to see that because I don't

971
00:44:31,079 --> 00:44:34,679
I think that the speed. Maybe Mikayla can do something

972
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,400
and win some rounds just based on her technique and

973
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,440
her her boxing belt, and she's shown a great chint.

974
00:44:40,559 --> 00:44:42,679
She's not afraid to get in there and mix it

975
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,199
up if she asked. So we've seen that in a

976
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,559
multitude of her fight. So go watch the Mai Vahama

977
00:44:46,599 --> 00:44:48,840
Douche fight. Go watch even the last fight that she

978
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,639
had when she won the title at one hundred and

979
00:44:50,679 --> 00:44:52,280
fifty four pounds. She'll stand and fight you if she

980
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:52,599
has to.

981
00:44:53,639 --> 00:44:56,559
Speaker 3: All right, So now let's get to the middle eights

982
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,800
and okay, First of all, what's going on with janebec

983
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:05,320
Alim Canooley. When last we heard about him, he had

984
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:09,639
failed for PEDS a pre fight drug test for his

985
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:13,920
December sixth title fight with there Is Landy Laura Raphael.

986
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,440
I'm looking at my calendar. It's the end of February,

987
00:45:17,519 --> 00:45:21,280
and the WBO in particular has finally gotten around to

988
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:25,960
making their ruling right, and also the Federation has gotten involved.

989
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,519
So give me, give me the details, and what are

990
00:45:28,519 --> 00:45:30,920
we doing here with it taking almost ninety days a

991
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:32,320
better part of seventy five days.

992
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,519
Speaker 1: First of all, the timing is not really that big

993
00:45:34,559 --> 00:45:36,920
of it. It's actually exactly what I sort of expected.

994
00:45:37,159 --> 00:45:39,239
He was supposed to fight Laura in the unification to

995
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,480
put the three bouts together. Lara's the WBO title WBA

996
00:45:42,559 --> 00:45:46,360
titlelder Jenebec has a WBO in the IDF, and so

997
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,280
they were supposed to have the unification fight. If you

998
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,599
remember this was in San Antonio. It was supposed to

999
00:45:50,599 --> 00:45:52,760
be the co feature of the night that we saw

1000
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,559
Pitt Bull Cruise fight against La mont Roach Junior. And

1001
00:45:55,679 --> 00:45:57,800
during the fight week from a test that he had,

1002
00:45:58,159 --> 00:46:01,159
a sample he had provided to in mid November had

1003
00:46:01,159 --> 00:46:04,559
come back as positive for the band substance meldonium, and

1004
00:46:04,639 --> 00:46:06,960
so the fight was canceled. He was dropped. Lar ended

1005
00:46:07,039 --> 00:46:08,639
up fighting a guy that had been on standby and

1006
00:46:08,679 --> 00:46:12,280
winning like a shutout decision. And so now they go

1007
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,400
through the process. So the fact that the tuk seventy

1008
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,760
some days or whatever it's been is not a shock

1009
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,599
because he had I guess, like ten or twelve days

1010
00:46:19,679 --> 00:46:21,000
or something like that to decide to have the B

1011
00:46:21,119 --> 00:46:23,599
sample testa which he did. That then takes a couple

1012
00:46:23,679 --> 00:46:26,360
of weeks to do, and then they have to make

1013
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:30,000
their case to the organizations and to the Kazakhstan Professional

1014
00:46:30,039 --> 00:46:32,119
Boxing Federation of which he is a member, given that

1015
00:46:32,159 --> 00:46:34,440
he is from Kazakhstan. And by all the time the

1016
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,840
paperwork and all the nonsense gets done, it took a

1017
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:38,639
little bit of time. And then if you read the

1018
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:40,800
WBO is very meticulous in that way they put their

1019
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,519
shit together. It's like about a fourteen or thirteen page

1020
00:46:43,599 --> 00:46:46,760
ruling that goes through point by point, and in the

1021
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,360
end the WBO suspect, now, this is where I have

1022
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:51,800
a problem, and I suspect that you're gonna have a

1023
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,000
problem also. So with all due respect to my buddy

1024
00:46:54,039 --> 00:46:57,199
Gustavo Olveri, who was the president of the WBO, who generally,

1025
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,239
in my opinion, has been doing a fine job since

1026
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:03,440
taking over that position when Pacoval Carslo retired, I have

1027
00:47:03,519 --> 00:47:06,199
a big problem with him having a foul drug test

1028
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,159
for that type of banned substance, whatever the circumstances, and

1029
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,519
not being immediately stripped of the title. So what they

1030
00:47:11,519 --> 00:47:15,559
have done is they have suspended him for one year,

1031
00:47:15,599 --> 00:47:17,360
backdated to the day of the fight that was supposed

1032
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:21,960
to happen, so backdated until December the sixth, for one year. Now,

1033
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,519
they can't prevent him from fighting, no saying body can

1034
00:47:24,519 --> 00:47:26,679
prevent a fighter from fighting. But what they can do

1035
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,599
is if he somehow broke their rules and went and

1036
00:47:29,639 --> 00:47:31,880
had to fight a renegade fight, somewhere they would certainly

1037
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:33,519
strip him of the title. He doesn't want that to

1038
00:47:33,519 --> 00:47:36,000
happen because the commissions are the one that can prevent

1039
00:47:36,039 --> 00:47:38,559
you from boxing by not issuing a license. But nonetheless,

1040
00:47:38,559 --> 00:47:41,360
the BO suspended him for the year and in the

1041
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,960
meantime they'll order the interim title fight, and then when

1042
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,079
he is eligible to return, he'll have to fight whoever

1043
00:47:46,119 --> 00:47:49,159
wins that fight in the first bout back. No intervening fights,

1044
00:47:49,199 --> 00:47:53,159
no nonsense. He'll have to undergo en hands testing and

1045
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,320
all kinds of stuff related to that. So that's what

1046
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,920
the WBO did, but he gets to keep the WBO

1047
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,639
Middleway title now causes.

1048
00:48:00,519 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 3: By the way, for the record, because you mentioned me,

1049
00:48:02,559 --> 00:48:05,159
I disagree with that he should be stripped, but continue right,

1050
00:48:05,599 --> 00:48:07,960
so you and I agree for once, No, we agree

1051
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,199
a lot. I'm just saying he should be stripped. And

1052
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,639
are we getting to the punchline about where are the

1053
00:48:12,679 --> 00:48:13,880
three letters IBF?

1054
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,079
Speaker 1: Well has yes, yeah, we'll get to that. So now,

1055
00:48:17,119 --> 00:48:21,199
the Kazakhstan Federation, they're the ones that can actually prevent

1056
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:22,760
from having a license if you were going to box

1057
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:24,639
in Kazakstan. I guess this is where he did fight

1058
00:48:24,679 --> 00:48:27,400
in one of his defenses that took place in his

1059
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,280
in more recent times. Uh, they only suspended him for

1060
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,199
six months, So that's sort of like a toothless thing

1061
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,880
because that the infraction would be backdated to December. We're

1062
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,599
already here almost in March. Certainly he wouldn't be fighting

1063
00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:42,599
for another three months anyway, there's nothing set up. So

1064
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:44,800
that's sort of nonsense. Now they claim if you go

1065
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,159
look in what they wrote, apparently, and because I'm a

1066
00:48:48,199 --> 00:48:51,079
believer in strict liability, it's not relevant how the substance

1067
00:48:51,079 --> 00:48:52,920
is in your system. It's just that it's there. But

1068
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,400
he had some type of illness or something like that

1069
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,639
that he had to see a doctor and it was

1070
00:48:57,719 --> 00:48:59,800
I guess some type of emergency. He was given some

1071
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,440
type of medication that apparently had meldonium in it, and

1072
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:04,320
that's why it became.

1073
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:05,559
Speaker 2: That's their story.

1074
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 1: But listen, listen. Meldonium is the kind of substance as

1075
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:10,639
opposed to certain things that are in and out of

1076
00:49:10,679 --> 00:49:13,679
your system in seventy two hours, Meldonium can stay in

1077
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,599
your system for eight or nine months. And so this

1078
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,719
incident that happened, how was a long time ago relative

1079
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,199
to that. And so when he tested much much later

1080
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:22,880
for the Laura fight.

1081
00:49:23,079 --> 00:49:25,199
Speaker 2: Apparently it was well, I don't have to go down

1082
00:49:25,199 --> 00:49:27,280
the road for ten minutes. But that's their story.

1083
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:28,559
Speaker 1: Ability that's the way I look at.

1084
00:49:28,599 --> 00:49:30,760
Speaker 3: Yes, and that's their story. And we also know because

1085
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:32,719
we brought it up at the time. Meldonium has been

1086
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:36,760
well known in the in the Russian athletics system and

1087
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,000
all of their satellite countries, in et cetera, as a

1088
00:49:39,039 --> 00:49:42,000
performance enhancing drug that they have regularly given to all

1089
00:49:42,119 --> 00:49:45,880
kinds of athletes. And when he popped for that, the

1090
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,360
eyebrows go up everywhere. And I don't care about the dollgate,

1091
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,519
my homework round, drank tea or ain't bad beef and

1092
00:49:51,559 --> 00:49:53,039
all these other excuses that we hear.

1093
00:49:53,159 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 1: So that when this ruling came out from the WBO,

1094
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:56,800
of which they sent it to me, and I also

1095
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,280
looked and read the ruling, which was like the day after,

1096
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,360
I guess, or the day before. On the you can

1097
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,440
translate the Kazakhstan website very easily, so I was able

1098
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,599
to read what they had to say. So I send

1099
00:50:07,599 --> 00:50:10,000
an email off to my people at the IBF to

1100
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,440
ask them if they could tell me what's going on,

1101
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,239
because the WBO had made their ruling and the Kazakhstan

1102
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,599
Federation had made their ruling, and so I got a

1103
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:20,320
very quick response and was basically, listen, we have and

1104
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,480
I'm going to give you the quote from the spokesperson

1105
00:50:22,519 --> 00:50:24,280
from the IBF. We have received all of the pertinent

1106
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,719
documents and the Board of Directors will review it and

1107
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:32,360
deliberate shortly. So I expect the IBF's ruling or whatever

1108
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,519
to be in the next few days or sometime next

1109
00:50:34,519 --> 00:50:35,079
week sometime.

1110
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 3: Do you believe they're going to go ahead and make

1111
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,320
the move and strip him of the IBF version of.

1112
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 1: That's a good question, you know what. I'm not going

1113
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:42,519
to handicap that because I just don't know, because I'm

1114
00:50:42,519 --> 00:50:44,960
always wanted to say the IBF does IBF things. I

1115
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:45,719
would be support.

1116
00:50:46,639 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 3: We have another example of that coming up in a

1117
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:49,079
moment of the IBF.

1118
00:50:49,199 --> 00:50:51,039
Speaker 1: I would hope that the IBF would strip him of

1119
00:50:51,039 --> 00:50:53,159
the title because I'm a strong believer. Again for the

1120
00:50:53,199 --> 00:50:55,559
thousand times since we've been doing this podcast, it's not

1121
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,079
just related to the Janet X case. I'm a believer

1122
00:50:58,119 --> 00:51:00,440
in the strict liability. You know, you're the happen of

1123
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,199
your ship. No matter what the circumstances, are you responsible

1124
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,400
for what is in your body and if it's not

1125
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,199
supposed to be the then you must pay the punishment.

1126
00:51:08,679 --> 00:51:11,239
The WBO did not see it like that. I'm not

1127
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,039
I can't tell you for sure if the IBF Willer

1128
00:51:13,079 --> 00:51:15,280
will not. Certainly the causes stand. They gave him a

1129
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:16,559
slap on the rest.

1130
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:17,639
Speaker 2: What a mess.

1131
00:51:17,679 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 3: And these organizations again do whatever's in their best interests.

1132
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,440
Here's another example of it. Keep him as the champ?

1133
00:51:22,519 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 2: Why not?

1134
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 1: I don't even think that's in the best interest because

1135
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:26,559
he doesn't bring a lot of money or any kind

1136
00:51:26,599 --> 00:51:27,400
of press.

1137
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,280
Speaker 3: What would be What would be the other reason why

1138
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,440
they would let him continue to have the title unless

1139
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,719
it's in their interest that he's a prominent fighter and

1140
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:35,159
they want.

1141
00:51:35,079 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 1: Knowing the WBO in the way they operate, I think

1142
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:38,800
they're afraid of a lawsuit of some type and they

1143
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:40,880
don't want to get mixed up in litigation for any reason.

1144
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:42,119
Just done in my opinion.

1145
00:51:42,199 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 2: All right, But what I mean, what did the rules say?

1146
00:51:44,039 --> 00:51:47,119
Speaker 1: I mean the rules they're allowed to do what they've done.

1147
00:51:47,159 --> 00:51:49,559
Speaker 3: They did not bring right, that's right, and so if

1148
00:51:49,559 --> 00:51:51,360
they want to strip him, it's their belt.

1149
00:51:51,559 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 1: All right.

1150
00:51:52,199 --> 00:51:54,559
Speaker 3: Uh so wait a minute, but wait, that's not all

1151
00:51:55,119 --> 00:51:59,280
the WBC middleweight title fight that was canceled when or

1152
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:03,079
at least postpone and when Carlos Adamas passed out before

1153
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:08,599
the fight with Austin Amo Williams recently here, it's now back.

1154
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,039
Speaker 2: On, yes, sir, and we're gonna get it fairly quickly.

1155
00:52:11,119 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 3: Can we have good things? We get a middleweight title

1156
00:52:13,519 --> 00:52:14,679
fight relatively soon.

1157
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 1: Well, that's your boy, Carlos Adamas. So he was having

1158
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,159
trouble making the weight. He was supposed to fight Amma

1159
00:52:19,159 --> 00:52:22,599
Williams on the undercard on January thirty first at Madison

1160
00:52:22,599 --> 00:52:24,920
Square Guard on the card that was headlined by Shaquor

1161
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:29,519
Stevenson against Tiathimo Lopez. And when he passed out, the

1162
00:52:29,639 --> 00:52:31,800
people that were involved with that show, Mattchroom Boxing and

1163
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:35,159
others that were helping them out, went on on a

1164
00:52:35,199 --> 00:52:38,840
mad hunt for a reasonable replacement to fight Amma Williams,

1165
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:40,079
just so we didn't have to waste it. Not for

1166
00:52:40,119 --> 00:52:41,880
the title, of course, but you know, the guy had

1167
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:43,719
put in eight weeks of training camp and you know,

1168
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:45,400
was supposed to get paid X number of dollars and

1169
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,159
you know, you never like to see a guy get

1170
00:52:47,159 --> 00:52:48,840
screwed out of a fight like that if it's not

1171
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,679
his fault. They actually did come up with Wendy Tusson,

1172
00:52:51,679 --> 00:52:53,880
who was a pretty credible opponent. Granted they had to

1173
00:52:54,079 --> 00:52:56,719
adjust the weight because it was on literally one day notice.

1174
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,199
Wendy Tusson had been in the gym preparing for another fight,

1175
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,360
but he was still, you know, several weeks away, so

1176
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:04,000
they did the fight at a super middleweight limit. Ami

1177
00:53:04,079 --> 00:53:06,239
Willings went in there, kept his emoti. You know, if

1178
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,519
you saw the video, there's a video where they have

1179
00:53:08,599 --> 00:53:11,199
it where you can watch the way that Eddie Hearn,

1180
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,280
who is Amo's promoter, broke him the news that the

1181
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,480
fight was off, and he was very emotional at the

1182
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,599
time would have happened and Eddie actually, I was very

1183
00:53:18,639 --> 00:53:21,360
impressed by the way that Eddie handled it. You know, listen,

1184
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:25,000
stay professional, keep your shit together. You're we're going to

1185
00:53:25,039 --> 00:53:27,039
get you another opponent. You're going to go in there

1186
00:53:27,079 --> 00:53:28,679
and you're gonna get ten more good rounds or every

1187
00:53:28,679 --> 00:53:31,360
many rounds. You need to continue to improve yourself and

1188
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:33,519
we're going to get this fight for the title rescheduled

1189
00:53:33,519 --> 00:53:36,360
as quickly as possible and you know, Amo got a

1190
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:37,679
shit together and he went in there and he won

1191
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,599
a lopsided decision, and not the greatest fight or greatest performance,

1192
00:53:40,599 --> 00:53:41,920
but he did what he had to do under very

1193
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,159
very severe circumstances. And to Eddie Hearn's credit, I know

1194
00:53:45,199 --> 00:53:46,480
he gets dumped on a lot, but they did a

1195
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,960
heck of a job. Thomas is okay to go now,

1196
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:50,880
and they've rescheduled. They worked with their partners at his

1197
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,280
own they WI hold on. They will have this fight

1198
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,519
headlining in Orlando, Florida at the carib Riale Resort, will

1199
00:53:56,519 --> 00:53:59,039
be on March twenty first, And so from January thirty

1200
00:53:59,079 --> 00:54:01,880
first to Mark thirty, March twenty first, not that long

1201
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,880
of a wait for both guys to get their fight,

1202
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,039
because a domas I put in the training camp also.

1203
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 3: Now, not only is it less than sixty days later,

1204
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:11,679
but I do remember this because I pay attention to you.

1205
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:13,679
Speaker 2: I read the substack. We talked about it. At the time.

1206
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,800
Speaker 3: He was apparently as much as one hundred and eighty

1207
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,320
pounds like a week and a half to two weeks

1208
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,280
before trying to make the weight the week of that fight.

1209
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 2: So isn't that a real concern? Again? Here or maybe

1210
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:28,719
he's better. We don't know.

1211
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 3: We're speculating, but that was drastic to hear you report

1212
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:35,119
that that he was that much overweight that close to

1213
00:54:35,199 --> 00:54:37,599
the fight and the trouble of the weight cut.

1214
00:54:37,639 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 2: We may not be out of the woods on that

1215
00:54:39,639 --> 00:54:40,039
for lean.

1216
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:43,079
Speaker 1: You always look, everybody always holds their breadth of far away.

1217
00:54:43,079 --> 00:54:45,960
And I mean I've talked to like, you know, various matchmakers, true,

1218
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,199
and there's one very prominent matchmaker that I've known for

1219
00:54:48,639 --> 00:54:51,119
twenty some years who always will tell you that their

1220
00:54:51,119 --> 00:54:53,119
fight's the weigh Like, once the weighne's over, they're good,

1221
00:54:53,119 --> 00:54:55,000
They're they're ready to you know, you know, go have

1222
00:54:55,039 --> 00:54:57,000
a drink basically because once the wayne is over, that

1223
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,079
that's out of their hands. So you're just never gonna know.

1224
00:54:59,159 --> 00:55:00,639
But you have to assume that if the Damas knew

1225
00:55:00,679 --> 00:55:02,679
the kind of troubles he was having, uh and what

1226
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:04,960
happened to him prior to January thirty. First that hopefully

1227
00:55:05,119 --> 00:55:08,559
they're they're doing their weight cut, you know, more more quickly.

1228
00:55:09,079 --> 00:55:12,159
Speaker 3: Or he's taking their training, he's taking his training much

1229
00:55:12,159 --> 00:55:14,280
more seriously to be able, apparently taking it in late

1230
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:15,519
December and January.

1231
00:55:15,199 --> 00:55:17,199
Speaker 1: I mean the WBC is supposed to have like their

1232
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:19,320
thirty day waight checks and their fifteen day waight checks

1233
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,400
or whatever they do. They can't force the guy to

1234
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:24,920
be on the way, but you can certainly monitor the fighter.

1235
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:26,519
I would hope that given the fact that he is

1236
00:55:26,559 --> 00:55:29,239
a WBC middleway champion and he missed a weight and

1237
00:55:29,559 --> 00:55:31,159
or didn't miss the weight but couldn't even get to

1238
00:55:31,199 --> 00:55:33,800
the way in because of what happened, that that maybe

1239
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,559
the WBC will pay a little bit closer attention on

1240
00:55:36,599 --> 00:55:38,239
this particular one. And at the end of the day,

1241
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:40,280
hopefully a Damas is a professional, he gets down to

1242
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,400
defend his world championship. Uh Amma, Williams is not going

1243
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:45,280
to have that kind of problem. Obviously. He just fought

1244
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:48,000
and uh you know, should be ready to go. And

1245
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:50,119
the good thing is that the fight was rescheduled as

1246
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,280
quickly as it was. Yep, they'll have the fight.

1247
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,679
Speaker 2: Uh good on Eddie Hern and Matchroom Boxing from.

1248
00:55:55,599 --> 00:55:57,679
Speaker 1: Me also, I mean, yeah, he was going to be

1249
00:55:57,679 --> 00:56:01,320
in a big card with you know, with Shakor and Tiafima.

1250
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,119
That was obviously a very high profile event. But in

1251
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:05,880
Eddie and making the announcement says you know what, there's

1252
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:07,400
also the super lining that we will get to be

1253
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,800
the main event of this card, so that's cool. And

1254
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,079
they've added two of their you know, the two other

1255
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:15,840
fighters they announced will be on the show. Two other

1256
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:17,480
you know of the prominent up and comers in the

1257
00:56:17,519 --> 00:56:20,800
Mattroums stable Omari Jones, who is the Jernim middleweight, who

1258
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:22,440
is the twenty three year old kid that won the

1259
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:26,079
twenty twenty four Olympic bronze medalist. He's the only American

1260
00:56:26,079 --> 00:56:29,079
that won a medal in boxing at the most recent Olympics.

1261
00:56:29,159 --> 00:56:31,440
He's from Orlando. He's a super prospect. I think he's

1262
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,199
going to be a world champion. So he's going to

1263
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,679
move into his first eight rounder, no opponent yet. And

1264
00:56:36,679 --> 00:56:39,079
then the Australian heavyweight who was also in the Olympics,

1265
00:56:39,159 --> 00:56:41,760
Taramona Tarmona, who is nine and zer with nine knockouts.

1266
00:56:42,039 --> 00:56:43,840
He will also have an opponent to be determined and

1267
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,480
an eight rounder. So he's an exciting puncher and has

1268
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,519
you know, probably will be involved in some contender type

1269
00:56:49,519 --> 00:56:51,639
fights down the road in the heavyweight division. And then

1270
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:53,679
I'm sure the rest of the card as we go

1271
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:55,440
on kit closer to the date.

1272
00:56:55,639 --> 00:56:58,039
Speaker 3: The only thing I'm disappointed by with all of my

1273
00:56:58,119 --> 00:57:00,880
college basketball mayhem in the end, see a tournament going

1274
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,800
on that weekend. Even though Orlando's about seventy miles from

1275
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,360
where I sit here in the northern suburbs of Tampa.

1276
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:10,079
I can't get over there to be part of that, unfortunately.

1277
00:57:11,119 --> 00:57:13,480
But we'll see what happens with a Damis and his

1278
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:14,719
fairly quick return.

1279
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 2: Kudos again that we'll get that fight coming up.

1280
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 3: One more note, did you say IBF doing IBF things?

1281
00:57:20,639 --> 00:57:22,039
Speaker 1: Oh boy, Rayfield?

1282
00:57:22,199 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 3: All right, now we're about we're about fifty to fifty

1283
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,480
five minutes into the podcast, and this is about the

1284
00:57:26,519 --> 00:57:28,360
fourth What are we doing here?

1285
00:57:29,559 --> 00:57:33,159
Speaker 1: Richardson Hitchens speaking renamed the podcast what what are.

1286
00:57:33,039 --> 00:57:33,599
Speaker 2: We doing here?

1287
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 3: Richardson Hitchens Remember, could not have the fight with Oscar

1288
00:57:37,559 --> 00:57:41,639
Duarte because he became ill after the secondary way in

1289
00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:46,880
and Duarte missed out on a title opportunity, and now

1290
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:50,320
he may miss completely out on the title opportunity.

1291
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 2: Filling the blanks.

1292
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 1: So, like you said, Richardson Hitchens was supposed to defend

1293
00:57:55,039 --> 00:57:56,920
the ib of Junior Walterway title. It was the co

1294
00:57:57,039 --> 00:57:59,599
feature on the pay per view where the main event

1295
00:57:59,639 --> 00:58:02,920
last week was Ryan Garcia challenging Mario Barros for the

1296
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:06,039
WC welterweight title, and as we discussed, he made the

1297
00:58:06,039 --> 00:58:08,440
weight with not a lot of problems. He made the

1298
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,119
second day weight check or the IBF requires on Saturday morning,

1299
00:58:11,199 --> 00:58:14,519
again was under the limit, no problem, you know, seemed

1300
00:58:14,519 --> 00:58:16,480
everything was good. He and his team went to have

1301
00:58:16,519 --> 00:58:19,719
breakfast after that, which is normal. He had breakfast like

1302
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:21,800
a normal person, and then like an hour or so later,

1303
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:25,679
he started throwing up and was vomiting multiple times, you know,

1304
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:27,280
in the hours before he was supposed to go to

1305
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,880
the arena for the fight. So obviously he couldn't fight,

1306
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:31,280
so the fight got canceled. I mean, I know a

1307
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:33,119
lot of people want to say it was he didn't

1308
00:58:33,119 --> 00:58:35,159
make the weight, and that's just a lie. He made

1309
00:58:35,239 --> 00:58:38,000
weight literally twice. It was under the weight both times,

1310
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:39,599
so I'm not sure what the issue was. I mean,

1311
00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:42,599
he had a ten pound cushion on Saturday morning and

1312
00:58:42,599 --> 00:58:44,280
he was still within the limit. He was zero point

1313
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:45,440
two pounds and near.

1314
00:58:45,519 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 3: In mind, the important point that we covered off the

1315
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:50,800
podcast last week, if you did not hear it, seven

1316
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:56,360
figure payday that he doesn't get for not fighting Saturday night.

1317
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:01,639
Speaker 1: So there was a sums that were not correct made

1318
00:59:01,679 --> 00:59:04,000
by some people that okay, they would just reschedule the

1319
00:59:04,079 --> 00:59:06,360
Duarte fight at a later date, kind of like they

1320
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:09,719
were able to do with the Damis against M. L. Williams,

1321
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:13,239
although you know, different organizations and all that. But any event,

1322
00:59:14,079 --> 00:59:17,519
when they allowed the IBF Hitchens to take the fight

1323
00:59:17,559 --> 00:59:21,039
against d'Arte, they gave him an exception to the mandatory.

1324
00:59:21,079 --> 00:59:23,920
The mandatory is lindaalfhol Delgado, who was an undefeated Mexican

1325
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:26,519
Olympian with top rank who fought in December on that

1326
00:59:26,559 --> 00:59:30,719
card they did with with was Xantra Promotions. Richard Torres

1327
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,119
was on that card, Emeliano Vargus was on that card.

1328
00:59:33,159 --> 00:59:34,800
All that. It was one of those fights they did

1329
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:38,320
on their on their top rank classics fact from Mexico.

1330
00:59:38,719 --> 00:59:41,360
So Delgado was, you know, got his interim fight while

1331
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:44,320
he was waiting for the title fight. But part of

1332
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:47,199
the resolution that the IBF issued when they allowed the

1333
00:59:47,599 --> 00:59:51,480
when they allowed the exception, was okay, Richardson Hitchins, Okay,

1334
00:59:51,519 --> 00:59:55,440
Oscar d'Arte were allowing this fight to happen. And here

1335
00:59:55,519 --> 00:59:57,760
is one of the stipulations of us allowing the fight

1336
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:01,559
to happen no matter what the situation. If this fight

1337
01:00:01,639 --> 01:00:04,800
does not happen for any reason, it cannot be rescheduled.

1338
01:00:05,039 --> 01:00:08,280
And that means that Hitchins his next fight has to

1339
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:11,199
be the mandatory. That was the that was the whole

1340
01:00:11,519 --> 01:00:15,119
part of where why will allow the exception, But this

1341
01:00:15,199 --> 01:00:17,519
is the other, This is the shoe other shoe dropping.

1342
01:00:17,719 --> 01:00:20,719
You got to have the mandatory afterwards. So the worst

1343
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:24,800
case scenario unfolded, the fight got canceled, there's no no

1344
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:27,239
wiggle room to reschedule it. His next fight has to

1345
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:31,320
be the mandatory. So they ordered him to fight Lendelfhel Delgado.

1346
01:00:31,519 --> 01:00:33,679
They gave them the thirty days or whatever to make

1347
01:00:33,719 --> 01:00:36,079
the deal, and if it doesn't get done, they'll they'll

1348
01:00:36,079 --> 01:00:38,840
schedule the purse bid and they'll fight the fight between

1349
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:42,039
Hitchins and Delgado. Now, the winner of that fight certainly

1350
01:00:42,039 --> 01:00:45,880
would have the opportunity to go and pursue a Duarte fight. Now,

1351
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:48,199
it'd be a little tricky if it was Landolfoldgado that

1352
01:00:48,239 --> 01:00:51,119
becomes the champion, because they're both trained by Robert Garcia.

1353
01:00:51,119 --> 01:00:54,760
I don't see that. But if Richardson Hitchins defeats Landafol Delgado,

1354
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:58,000
and retains the title and elects not to move up

1355
01:00:58,039 --> 01:01:00,880
to Alterwight at that point then and he could perhaps

1356
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:03,079
they can remake the Duarte fight. So you gotta feel

1357
01:01:03,119 --> 01:01:05,480
terrible for d'Arte because he didn't do anything wrong. He

1358
01:01:05,559 --> 01:01:07,239
made the weight, he came in shape, he was ready

1359
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:09,039
to fight. He was not the one that was not

1360
01:01:09,079 --> 01:01:11,519
able to get there, and now he doesn't even get

1361
01:01:11,559 --> 01:01:13,599
the chance to reschedule. So you feel terrible for him.

1362
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,280
But it's one of those things where it's not anybody's fault.

1363
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:20,719
It's just if the IBF doesn't honor its resolution, Delgado's

1364
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:22,760
people will sue them anyway, and that they're going to

1365
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:26,280
lose that because the resolution is basic fucking English. So

1366
01:01:27,159 --> 01:01:31,159
it's just unfortunate. But it's uh, one of those things terrible, Okay,

1367
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:34,199
So this actually, I will say this though, this actually

1368
01:01:34,239 --> 01:01:36,039
is not one of those situations where it's the IVF

1369
01:01:36,119 --> 01:01:38,519
doing IBF things. They're actually literally following the letter of

1370
01:01:38,519 --> 01:01:40,559
what they wrote and why they allowed the exception in

1371
01:01:40,599 --> 01:01:43,639
the first place. It's just that the worst case scenario happened.

1372
01:01:43,639 --> 01:01:45,880
So as I posted a couple of days ago when

1373
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:48,320
this resolution, when the order of the Mandatory was made.

1374
01:01:48,559 --> 01:01:51,199
I said, you may not like the facts, but that's

1375
01:01:51,199 --> 01:01:53,920
what they are. They may be unpopular facts, but they

1376
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:54,760
really can't blame you.

1377
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 2: Don't get your alternative facts. We keep telling all that.

1378
01:01:57,639 --> 01:01:59,639
Speaker 1: He can't blame the IBF in this particular situation.

1379
01:01:59,679 --> 01:02:04,119
Speaker 3: As all saying, with all of that done, are we

1380
01:02:04,199 --> 01:02:05,559
ready to get into this weekend?

1381
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 2: And he Manuel Navorate and Sugar.

1382
01:02:07,679 --> 01:02:09,519
Speaker 1: Nan, I can't wait. Listen, I can't wait for that fight.

1383
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:11,199
I think we are.

1384
01:02:12,599 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 2: Again.

1385
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:16,639
Speaker 3: Re Dan Substack for more on it. Also be with

1386
01:02:16,719 --> 01:02:18,679
us on the recap pod. By the way, there's another

1387
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:20,400
reason to be with us on the recap pod. You

1388
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:22,119
want to spill the tea here while.

1389
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:24,559
Speaker 1: We have it, we will have we'll have on Sunday

1390
01:02:24,639 --> 01:02:28,079
night show. We will have my interview with the the

1391
01:02:28,159 --> 01:02:31,440
Cruiserweight world champion ji Opataia, who I thought was tremendous.

1392
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:34,519
He was very, you know, very verbose. He had a

1393
01:02:34,559 --> 01:02:35,039
lot to say.

1394
01:02:35,079 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 2: You had not interviewed him before? Am I correct?

1395
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:38,679
Speaker 1: Interview?

1396
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:40,159
Speaker 2: Not a podcast for him? Now?

1397
01:02:40,239 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 1: No? No, I had not interviewed him all. My interaction

1398
01:02:42,079 --> 01:02:44,280
with Jiobatia was strictly the two of us having some

1399
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:47,960
back and forth direct messages on our Twitter accounts just

1400
01:02:48,039 --> 01:02:50,519
about different things, but I had never actually had an

1401
01:02:50,519 --> 01:02:53,039
actual interview with him, so it was good to chat

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with him about I don't know about fifteen sixteen minutes

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worth of interview. Talked about things about his decisions to

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join ZUFA Boxing, about the situation with the titles, because

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there's been a lot of speculation about is the IDF

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titleist stay because we all know there are positions about

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the organizations. Talked about his opponent, Brandon Glanton, talked about

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his aspirations of unifying in the future, about potentially at

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some point going up to the heavyweight division. We talked

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about a lot of shit.

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Speaker 3: You'll get that coming up on Sunday, including the recap

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of Navorate Nunez.

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Speaker 2: Big Dan have a good weekend.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: That's a full podcast.

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Speaker 3: We thank you for finding us on Apple, Spreaker, Spotify,

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Dan Substack. However you found us social media, link, follow

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and subscribe you won't be disappointed. Also find the Big

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Fight Weekend YouTube page. See the moving pictures including the

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nostalgia on the YouTube page Big Fight Weekend YouTube page.

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For now, we are good on the Big Fight Weekend

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