Speaker 1: Hello ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to the Gimmick,
Speaker 1: your first episode of December, last episode of twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: It might be we'll see, we'll see. The next episode
Speaker 1: is we'll see. But I am, as always the Canadian
Speaker 1: Nightmare trest now and I'm joined by a man that
Speaker 1: I am very sad for. Justice for Stu. David.
Speaker 2: How's it going going Goodmmin?
Speaker 3: Stu got robbed of his opportunity to make his impact
Speaker 3: on John Cena's last match, so justice for Stue.
Speaker 1: I could not. But there's a lot of things I
Speaker 1: couldn't believe last night. That was one of them. Of
Speaker 1: just I wonder if he said anything, because I know
Speaker 1: that John c did this whole weird apology tour where
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, I didn't tell the office he was
Speaker 1: doing the age entrance thing, and I just didn't want
Speaker 1: to make anyone mad night. That was a mistake. It's
Speaker 1: like he should have learned that. But like that, that
Speaker 1: was so egregious. I hope they like post edited after
Speaker 1: the fact, but yeah, I was so annoyed. I just
Speaker 1: felt like just go. It felt very much like the
Speaker 1: Kevin Dunn era. But uh, yeah, it's weird the stuff.
Speaker 1: But we were joined by real heat brother, the man
Speaker 1: who's been getting leeching tons of points off of John
Speaker 1: Cena's last run. S Bubs, how you doing today?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: So I how do you feel now? Your point getter
Speaker 1: John Cena officially retired? Obviously he's only gonna give you
Speaker 1: a goose egg for a little bit, but uh, you
Speaker 1: know you gotta replace him, I guess now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, But I think so far, I did the draft
Speaker 5: points so far, and I think my new picks are
Speaker 5: definitely doing a lot better than everyone I had before.
Speaker 1: So for people that don't watch the video, it just
Speaker 1: looks like s pub says the background of seeing punk
Speaker 1: and Cody putting the title on scene it but it
Speaker 1: just looks like they're putting it on like their whole mass,
Speaker 1: Bubs by the back of the head or something. But yeah,
Speaker 1: primarily that's what we're gonna talk about today. Obviously, mostly
Speaker 1: we're gonna start off with see his last match. We'll
Speaker 1: talk about overall Sorry Nights to Man, and then and
Speaker 1: then just some other ww B NXT stuff we'll touch
Speaker 1: upon on aw World end a little bit, and then
Speaker 1: the C two because yeah, we're gonna figure that out
Speaker 1: because obviously the World's endpay Review is always a shitty
Speaker 1: spot the day after Blox Day, the twenty seven, So
Speaker 1: we'll see.
Speaker 4: When we get to that weekend.
Speaker 1: Maybe if it lines up, maybe we'll do something like
Speaker 1: the twenty eighth, like the Sunday, But if it doesn't,
Speaker 1: we'll do it in the new year, and then, as
Speaker 1: we've said before, the New Year will catch up on
Speaker 1: Gmode as well.
Speaker 4: There'll be a couple months.
Speaker 1: We'll do two episodes that because we got to finish
Speaker 1: the season. But yeah, that's kind of the plan. So
Speaker 1: whether it might be the last week of December or
Speaker 1: first week of January, lookout, that's and we'll talk about
Speaker 1: worlds End and whatever else is going on. W we'll
Speaker 1: see because let's see the Yeah, the raw shows the fifth, right,
Speaker 1: so that's kind of too far, So yeah, we'll probably
Speaker 1: have something in between that. But yeah, we're here today
Speaker 1: to talk about I ain't calling him the goat. I'm
Speaker 1: not doing this whole revisionist history thing. And i know
Speaker 1: they're trying to push that, and I guarantee you just
Speaker 1: watch when Roman Rains retires, they're gonna do the same thing.
Speaker 1: Because Johnsen has already been like, well, I can consider
Speaker 1: Rome Rains to be the goat, so I feel like it's.
Speaker 4: A whoever is the booker, whoever is the era?
Speaker 1: Like that's who is the current goat and then we
Speaker 1: move belong right, But we did get that yes during
Speaker 1: day So I guess we'll just start with the overalls.
Speaker 1: I'll ask you, David, what do you think overall the show,
Speaker 1: and then after we will talk about seeing this match
Speaker 1: firston'll goal individually, but overall as far as far as
Speaker 1: the event, obviously, it was a four match card kind
Speaker 1: of similar to pl E. They other than like the
Speaker 1: announcing stand, they kind of dropped out all the sun
Speaker 1: nights may event like classic retro stuff. So how do
Speaker 1: you feel about this event overall? Before we get to
Speaker 1: the one by one?
Speaker 3: Overall, I feel like it was a very predictable pl
Speaker 3: Like everything as it was happening, it kind of felt like,
Speaker 3: all right, I see where they're going with each one's
Speaker 3: It was kind of easy to predict the endings to matches,
Speaker 3: but there were some good matches sprinkled within the predictability
Speaker 3: of it. And then it comes to the ending, and
Speaker 3: you know they always say it's how you leave them
Speaker 3: going home that they'll remember and I'm definitely going to
Speaker 3: remember how they left me going home.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what about us bubs?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I enjoyed the show, and i'd say for the matches, well,
Speaker 5: i'd say I like, get more.
Speaker 6: Now it's only.
Speaker 5: On Peacock with the Doctor, aren't the commercial breaks between
Speaker 5: the matches, Because even in person, like because I went
Speaker 5: to one of the Saturday nights to main events, and
Speaker 5: like when they went to commercial, it was like, well,
Speaker 5: it's like, well, you know, the match is ending, Like I.
Speaker 6: Remember it was like the tag match.
Speaker 5: It was like Seth and bron versus like.
Speaker 4: Like Samon, right, yeah.
Speaker 5: And so they were working over Sammy is like, well
Speaker 5: they're not gonna hot tag punkin until the end of
Speaker 5: those commercial.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So, so I liked it more.
Speaker 5: I've I've been liking it more in that way where
Speaker 5: it's kind of just like a normal plea now pretty much.
Speaker 5: And as for the final match, I did really like
Speaker 5: the final match and and and I liked the ending,
Speaker 5: so I was I was it's been funny looking at
Speaker 5: all the people online.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm excited to get to that because it's been
Speaker 1: it's been It's definitely I think they will know why
Speaker 1: event and I'll talk about but definitely is cycling something
Speaker 1: that's happened before as far as just like the reaction
Speaker 1: to it. But yeah, the show overall, I'm the opposite
Speaker 1: end where I pretty much I hated the show like
Speaker 1: it's it is like the fl but man, just the
Speaker 1: amount of downtime we had. There was just this one
Speaker 1: sequence where the match and like okay, and now we're
Speaker 1: going to johnsona's last match, and then they go to
Speaker 1: Stephan Joe. That's like okay, they talk and they showed
Speaker 1: john scene a tribute video and theny go back to
Speaker 1: Stephan Joe and I'm just sitting here. I'm just like,
Speaker 1: I'm just cycling. I'm spinning out. I cannot believe like
Speaker 1: how many times we gotta go to and like Stephan
Speaker 1: Jordan there there's I love Stephan McMahon. I don't think
Speaker 1: her and Joe have any chemistry whatsoever. It's so like
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not saying that's on Steph or Joe.
Speaker 1: I just think they aren't a great pairing. So it
Speaker 1: just feels very robotic effect. I'm having no fun at there,
Speaker 1: at least with Jesse, which I agree that they should
Speaker 1: not have him on the main proadcast because he just
Speaker 1: says shit they don't want. But at least it was like, well,
Speaker 1: what's he gonna say? Right, But this is just it
Speaker 1: feels awkward. And even the tributes throughout the show were
Speaker 1: We're fine, but they just felt very just like sound clippy.
Speaker 1: I wish there's a couple more longer emotional ones. I
Speaker 1: don't need to be like a Johnson a Dead tribute show,
Speaker 1: but just something a bit more. And like I hate
Speaker 1: the celebrities with their jokes, like Peyton Manning was my
Speaker 1: favorite quarterbacks, Like I hope you know they don't play
Speaker 1: your music at them all. It's like we bumped this
Speaker 1: for somebody else, Like we can't have like anybody doing stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I guess we go in the other matches.
Speaker 1: The other matches, I think we're all. I liked Coda Coda,
Speaker 1: I like Ova and Cody a lot, but they did
Speaker 1: the trope that I hate, so that brought all down.
Speaker 1: Uh Bailey and sol Ruco was really good and then
Speaker 1: the tag I thought was very entertaining, but I thought
Speaker 1: it was a lot shorter than I was expecting. I
Speaker 1: thought they're gonna let him go a little bit crazy
Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah, so everything kind of knew.
Speaker 5: Sure when they did like like the Leon Slater like
Speaker 5: jump over the corner of the post, he.
Speaker 1: Does that, like that's like it's his shoulder blocks.
Speaker 6: Like he does that, he throws, Okay.
Speaker 5: I don't know that ring and he does the four
Speaker 5: fifty like that's his sequence of the match.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and even Barley.
Speaker 1: So we will get there. But at the beginning I
Speaker 1: thought it was like a little clunky, but they got
Speaker 1: there and then the the final match, which we'll get into. Now.
Speaker 4: I am with I'm with.
Speaker 1: Some people where and I'm with us Bubbs, and I'm
Speaker 1: not sure I think David's with us too, but.
Speaker 4: I I'm a supporter of the finish.
Speaker 1: I can't believe this because I've been very, like many people,
Speaker 1: very critical Triple H's retirement to where I think a
Speaker 1: lot of it's been not good. I think we're in
Speaker 1: Triple H's like really low period right now. But just
Speaker 1: for the gimmick, I'm wearing a nice O eight Triple
Speaker 1: H shirt that I can fit again now that I've.
Speaker 4: Lost some weight.
Speaker 1: I it's so interesting because I feel like the reaction
Speaker 1: to this is very similar to the streak ending. It
Speaker 1: felt because I feel like.
Speaker 5: I was gonna say just for for something I found funny,
Speaker 5: is that like the tweet from the ww account of
Speaker 5: like John Cena has retired, Yeah, like three hundred and
Speaker 5: fifty thousand likes, and then a tweet calling for Triple
Speaker 5: H to be killed has like one hundred thousand.
Speaker 1: Oh wow. Yeah, And that's that's the thing. That's where
Speaker 1: like everything I've seen, because I'm gonna tell this draws
Speaker 1: totally more like people with scoopers and people with this stuff.
Speaker 1: It's not that serious. As we've said before, there are
Speaker 1: so many wrestling promotions. And that's how I got back
Speaker 1: into New Japan. Like whenever twenty nineteen or twenty like
Speaker 1: eighteen seventeen, when the product was his Dog Shit, I
Speaker 1: like tapped out on New Japan and I went back
Speaker 1: into it, and then I've watched you know, the lead
Speaker 1: in then aw was there. That's where it's like forever everybody,
Speaker 1: it's like either you don't watch weekly or you.
Speaker 4: Can just do other stuff.
Speaker 1: We don't need to be talking about killing drivel age
Speaker 1: for like this, and this is what we're the weird think.
Speaker 1: It's just like I, I guess it's it's a new
Speaker 1: crop of fans, but I can't even say that because
Speaker 1: that supposed as a newer fan, and I think there
Speaker 1: are people that like it. I think I understood what
Speaker 1: the Undertaker one, as far as I think you can
Speaker 1: always debate with the streak should and it should have
Speaker 1: not ended, right, I can understand that. I do think
Speaker 1: the biggest complaint better match least well, absolutely yeah he
Speaker 1: could cut yeah, and he wasn't gonna cut yeah, And
Speaker 1: I was there live and that was brutal, right, But
Speaker 1: even I think the bigger argument with the the Taker
Speaker 1: thing is they chose the wrong guy, right, which even
Speaker 1: with Lesler take out the real life stuff for that year,
Speaker 1: it did heat him up. But you could have made
Speaker 1: an argument that maybe, yeah, eventually a couple of years later,
Speaker 1: the big dog beats him and maybe you should just
Speaker 1: saved it with this.
Speaker 4: I don't have.
Speaker 1: That because it's just and that's I'm very happy the
Speaker 1: way the match went, because I was worried the first
Speaker 1: five minutes of the match is good the wrestling him,
Speaker 1: and the first move scene hits is the shoulder block,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my, Like for I think
Speaker 1: it was about the first seven to eight minutes. All
Speaker 1: seen a hit was just signature moves. He hit the shoulder,
Speaker 1: he did the five moves of do him twice, he
Speaker 1: did the the fu, he did the attitude, or he
Speaker 1: did the STF. So I was like, oh my God,
Speaker 1: like Scenea's just doing this. So I was happy that
Speaker 1: it did evolve because I was really worried it was
Speaker 1: just gonna be power bomb f you power like like.
Speaker 1: And then we got to the end, We got to
Speaker 1: the middle where going through was taking some big spots
Speaker 1: as well, like off the table, which I HiT's weird thing.
Speaker 1: I can't remember who else did this. There used to
Speaker 1: be somebody. I think it's Bobby last year. Whenever he
Speaker 1: gets German, he always like turns to the right, and
Speaker 1: Gundu was doing that last night. Anytime he got a eight,
Speaker 1: he kept like trying to like land on his shoulder.
Speaker 1: I don't know why, don't do like. I was worried,
Speaker 1: especially the table spot. He landed right on the side
Speaker 1: and he's going there. But so the match, the match evolved,
Speaker 1: and then we got this moment where Sena tapped out,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I was four it because I understand people
Speaker 1: that are big fans and love. Maybe we'll talk about
Speaker 1: this a little bit too. But like with Sina, when
Speaker 1: I couldn't find the picture, I have a picture from
Speaker 1: SummerSlam O five when he was getting booed, but I
Speaker 1: was there. I was rocking. I bought myself the chain
Speaker 1: gay necklets, like I had a huge John Cena fran
Speaker 1: from three to six and then he got he dropped
Speaker 1: the wrapper stuff and got very cheesy, and that's the
Speaker 1: same thing for me. It's just I don't have the
Speaker 1: love for John scene that many other people do in
Speaker 1: my era or a little younger, because a lot of
Speaker 1: it wasn't his fault, but his booking in him on
Speaker 1: top was a part of a lot of the some
Speaker 1: of the worst years in WW. And I don't think
Speaker 1: that's all him, but there's it just kind of he
Speaker 1: represents that, right, he represents when Punk's having his historic run,
Speaker 1: that he's main eventing a pay per view with John
Speaker 1: Lorenight is in a cage, right, So for me, I'm
Speaker 1: not a nostalgic like part of those reasons of you
Speaker 1: not watching WW was how they booked Sina, Right, that's
Speaker 1: not completely his fault, but to get to the tap out,
Speaker 1: where I understand, oh, well, he's a never give up character.
Speaker 1: But if he passes out, which I think the other
Speaker 1: problem is we've seen so many pass outs the last
Speaker 1: like five years that it's almost that finish is overdone,
Speaker 1: and it feels like someone's protecting himself. If he passes out, Okay,
Speaker 1: it protects him and you kind of get Goo through
Speaker 1: getting the big win. If he taps out, though, which
Speaker 1: he did, it makes Goonter look like a monster and
Speaker 1: it gives them so much. And that's the point, because
Speaker 1: I've seen the biggest argument is how do you have
Speaker 1: the guy that never gives up tap out because his
Speaker 1: career is over. He's not building to anything else down Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's done, like he's done being as far as now
Speaker 1: right obviously Saudi bag. But let's just say he does
Speaker 1: stay retired, like the character of John Cena can't.
Speaker 5: Give us say, I don't think he's actually gonna wrestle
Speaker 5: in Saudi, but he will.
Speaker 1: He'll be there, I agree, I agree exactly, or even
Speaker 1: that's the year they do the whole fame and he's
Speaker 1: there to like the wave, but like, yeah, I just
Speaker 1: to me, it's just that's the thing where it is
Speaker 1: building the next guy, right, and they kind of they
Speaker 1: did that with the streak again, you could argue the
Speaker 1: right person. I think Guthor is the right person. We'll
Speaker 1: see how this career killer thing kind of goes, they continued.
Speaker 4: I hope they do.
Speaker 1: But that's my reason, Like I do understand that point.
Speaker 1: But Scena's not gonna be around anymore. He's he's done.
Speaker 1: So this puts guntherro over. It makes him a killer.
Speaker 1: Gunther should not lose for a while. To me, like,
Speaker 1: even then, if you're gonna have have nothing for him
Speaker 1: to dude, just have him cut promos just for me.
Speaker 1: It's just.
Speaker 4: There.
Speaker 1: It was a bigger moment of Scena tapping out and
Speaker 1: before I throw to one of you guys. The reason
Speaker 1: I just love that finish is because it was seven
Speaker 1: minutes of it, and I like that it was finally
Speaker 1: just man, I can't do this anymore, Like I literally can't.
Speaker 1: I could try to keep fighting, but he has me.
Speaker 4: That's it. It's over for me.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tap out. And that's where it was kind
Speaker 1: of like a veteran realizing oh I'm I am done,
Speaker 1: And it kind of fits with Scena. The whole time
Speaker 1: is being like, oh, my body's breaking down. So it's
Speaker 1: like I physically can't get this guy off me seeing
Speaker 1: it from ten years ago, could have seen it from
Speaker 1: twenty years ago, could have, but this John Cena can't.
Speaker 1: And that's why it has to retire. So that's why
Speaker 1: I understand some people upset. But it's just there's not like, Okay,
Speaker 1: if he passes out or wins k you preserve the
Speaker 1: legacy of John Cena, but then he doesn't do anything
Speaker 1: in his last match.
Speaker 4: It's just for John.
Speaker 1: And John's got enough fucking moments over the last two decades,
Speaker 1: Like he was on top for so many times, beat
Speaker 1: so many guys. I don't think he should have. But
Speaker 1: I was fully in favor. But you were also in
Speaker 1: favor of the finish, yes, yeah, yeah, And what do
Speaker 1: you think of the match?
Speaker 6: Obviously, Yeah, I really.
Speaker 5: Liked the match overall, Like like I said, well, it
Speaker 5: was actually like I was like maybe like thirty seconds
Speaker 5: behind or something because I had to go away for
Speaker 5: a second, so I just paused and came back. So
Speaker 5: you guys like in the chid you're like, oh, it
Speaker 5: was like finisher spam, But I was on the I
Speaker 5: was on the spot where like Goonther was just like
Speaker 5: hitting in with like the lariat over and over and over.
Speaker 6: So I was like, just drastic, that's like shirt.
Speaker 5: But you know, but after that he got up and
Speaker 5: started doing like his his sequence.
Speaker 6: But I really liked the match.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like like you said, at the start, it felt like, yeah,
Speaker 5: it's like, oh, scene is going like he's just gonna
Speaker 5: go all out. But I like how you know, Goother
Speaker 5: kept putting putting the damage on him, and I thought
Speaker 5: it was I didn't see it didn't feel as long
Speaker 5: as I think it probably was. I'll say like once
Speaker 5: once Sena got out of just again beaten down, I
Speaker 5: felt like like David was saying, like, oh, this is
Speaker 5: slower than I expected.
Speaker 6: I say, I wasn't really expecting like a.
Speaker 5: Fast match from from Sena and goothert, but I thought
Speaker 5: it had a good pace and yet I like the
Speaker 5: finish where it's like he got out of one. How
Speaker 5: many did he like get up out of at the very.
Speaker 1: End for the the joke, I think it was like
Speaker 1: three times.
Speaker 2: Really yeah it was.
Speaker 3: It was he had the one he got out of it,
Speaker 3: so he put he threw them against the ring and
Speaker 3: then Gunter immediately came back, got another one, started putting
Speaker 3: to sleep.
Speaker 2: They did the three count. He popped up with the three.
Speaker 3: Fingers and then after that that's when Gunter started raining
Speaker 3: down the elbows three fingers.
Speaker 1: Right, what a spot. That was such a cheesey spot.
Speaker 1: It's fine, but yeah, then he did like the Death Rioters,
Speaker 1: Brian Elbows and everything like that. I will Chris Browns,
Speaker 1: I will try to find it. It's a it's a
Speaker 1: picture of me at oh five Summer Slam. I had
Speaker 1: a Matt Hardy shirt because I was a massive mark
Speaker 1: of Matt Hardy at the time. And it's literally it's
Speaker 1: me doing the whole world life and I have the
Speaker 1: chain I wore. I even bought they. Uh they made
Speaker 1: rubber knuckles. I'm not sure. Did you ever see like
Speaker 1: the videos back in like oh for when Johnson was
Speaker 1: rocking like design But yeah, so they saw those, but
Speaker 1: they were rubber. It was so it was such a
Speaker 1: letdown because the picture it was rubber.
Speaker 4: The picture looked so.
Speaker 1: Much better when you got them. They were the cheapest
Speaker 1: things in the world. I was so fissed as a kid,
Speaker 1: but oh yeah, I was. I was a massive fan
Speaker 1: of seeing it back then and then obviously just took
Speaker 1: overrestling for decades and just a reign of terror sometimes
Speaker 1: to me. But yeah, yeah, well.
Speaker 3: I am okay with the finish of the match, especially
Speaker 3: the fact that he came out of three of those
Speaker 3: sleeper attempts. You know, it was finally like, all right,
Speaker 3: he tapped out. There's there's nothing for him after this.
Speaker 3: There's no rematch for a championship, there's no I gotta
Speaker 3: come back Monday and face the audience. You know, this
Speaker 3: is it, and he knows he's riding out, so it
Speaker 3: made sense for him it and the look on his
Speaker 3: face when he tapped out was just like I'm giving up,
Speaker 3: I'm done, So that all made sense from a storyline perspective.
Speaker 3: I will say this, the match did last longer than
Speaker 3: I expected it to. It was twenty three minutes and
Speaker 3: forty five seconds. No other match on this show went
Speaker 3: over nine and a half minutes, so it was definitely
Speaker 3: that's crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially they didn't have a heart too, because I
Speaker 1: agree with that spuffs. I like it not being on NBC,
Speaker 1: But it's just like I was surprised by a couple
Speaker 1: with the tag that it didn't go its just it.
Speaker 3: Was almost four times the length of the tag team match,
Speaker 3: so that will tell you something. But again, the match
Speaker 3: itself was good. I liked how it ended, the moments
Speaker 3: with Sina Man. Gunther has some amazing heat and that's
Speaker 3: why I like the finish of this because it makes sense.
Speaker 3: If you are putting everything into Guther going forward, then
Speaker 3: this was the perfect way to build him up as
Speaker 3: your next monster. And in my opinion, it also leads
Speaker 3: way to you don't need a brock Lessener on every
Speaker 3: show because you have Gunther and oh but.
Speaker 1: Like the two people in this show show, we don't
Speaker 1: need this anymore. I know people have said even as
Speaker 1: Bubbs I've talked about and Seene even said that the
Speaker 1: retirement thing I still have to believe when I see
Speaker 1: it with Brock, I just feel like last weeks and
Speaker 1: be like, oh, I love this money. You know we'll
Speaker 1: have to see Yeah. So I liked the clothesline spot.
Speaker 1: It was funny when they did the second move of
Speaker 1: five dooms. Gun Through just laying there and said get up,
Speaker 1: get up, and was talking. You didn't hear him, but
Speaker 1: he was talking a lot during the sleeper holes. But
Speaker 1: uh no, I thought like even him by busting out
Speaker 1: the famouser from the top rope was crazy, like this year.
Speaker 4: Has he I feel like I've used that.
Speaker 2: He's used that right times.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, Summer Slam, Right, I forgot about that, Okay,
Speaker 1: So yeah, no it was interesting. And then so that happens,
Speaker 1: and you get the whole crowd very much like the streak,
Speaker 1: very very quiet. People are, you know, wonder what's happening.
Speaker 6: Music playing like overall the shock.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was good.
Speaker 1: And then the locker room comes out and people are
Speaker 1: chatting bullshit and then they see Triple H and they
Speaker 1: all boo and stuff. And this was very interesting because
Speaker 1: I I feel like it's fitting for Johns in his career,
Speaker 1: who's had a very rocky relationship with the crowd. It's
Speaker 1: always been like, what's the crowd going to react like tonight,
Speaker 1: And I've never seen even a kfe if people don't
Speaker 1: like the decision. Like after Undertaker lost a streak, people
Speaker 1: were in shock, and then when he stand up they clapped.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: I was there live. There wasn't bullshit or chanting about
Speaker 1: Vince or anything like that. But here we're usually okay,
Speaker 1: seeing what tap you all? That sucks?
Speaker 4: But when he gets up with the walker comes.
Speaker 1: Out, usually people be clapping, but no, they just turned
Speaker 1: and they kept channing, and I was just so surprised
Speaker 1: that even in the retirement fans were gonna be like, Oh, whatever,
Speaker 1: this sucks, but that's just cheer them. They're chanting bullshit.
Speaker 1: I love anytime they show Triple H which I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: don't get on that apron, and he did and they
Speaker 1: bow and that's why I had to make a thumbnail
Speaker 1: of him laughing and like it's I think I'd love
Speaker 1: to talk to some of the people there because I
Speaker 1: think there's some of the boos that are more just
Speaker 1: like frustration for maybe the full tour or not just
Speaker 1: last night. But I guess maybe they want to win.
Speaker 5: I don't know that further reactions for a see from
Speaker 5: like the more casual fans.
Speaker 6: It is really just like, oh he lost the sugar
Speaker 6: Water guy. Yeah, seen as the goat, he should never lose.
Speaker 1: Well, what's interesting what I'll be curious to see going
Speaker 1: forward is with that with a moment, if you watch
Speaker 1: the show and I wasn't disappointed by this match, but
Speaker 1: if you are disappointed by this match, and then you
Speaker 1: have the crowd kind of booing. I wonder what that
Speaker 1: does to the psyche of people, because I feel like
Speaker 1: it's almost like I didn't like this, and then the
Speaker 1: rest of the people are telling me this sucks, and
Speaker 1: I feel like you get less likely to come back.
Speaker 1: The explanation I use is the Rumble twenty fifteen when
Speaker 1: they throw Brian and Roman one, and it was like
Speaker 1: there was a shift in viewership and feeling. And that's
Speaker 1: when Triple Ah cut the whole like may it was
Speaker 1: the year before, but they refer back to the whole
Speaker 1: you know whatever he said, my friend Mike or my
Speaker 1: friend Dave and I are never gonna watch It's yeah,
Speaker 1: is never gonna watch again. He cuts this whole promo
Speaker 1: about this, and then as the weeks go forward, ratings
Speaker 1: fell down. So it was like it's the dumbest thing,
Speaker 1: Like I get what because you're biit is like that.
Speaker 1: So I think he was laughing more like oh we
Speaker 1: got because I've seen the like he's laughing right in
Speaker 1: your face. No, I think they viewed as like a
Speaker 1: good of like oh we got them. I think there
Speaker 1: is some of that, but then you just have to know,
Speaker 1: like they're so used to these moments and things happening now.
Speaker 1: I feel like this newer audience, it's like, do they
Speaker 1: watch and feel fulfilled when it happens? And it's it's
Speaker 1: tough too because I wonder also if people boo less
Speaker 1: and react or boom more and react more to like,
Speaker 1: cause rarely do I remember in the time Vince ran
Speaker 1: things Vince ever got booed or fu Vince chance and
Speaker 1: stuff he deserved them, But anytime Vince would come out,
Speaker 1: it'd be the worst dog should air of WW. But
Speaker 1: if Vince comes out, people are bowing, cheering. I feel
Speaker 1: like stuff like unreal. And the press conferences make it
Speaker 1: really known that this is a show show now and
Speaker 1: this is the guy that decides it, even if it's
Speaker 1: seen of being like I'm gonna tap this way, it's
Speaker 1: gonna go. All the eyes are way more on TRIPLEAH
Speaker 1: than they ever were for Vince, So I think that's
Speaker 1: a tough thing for him, but we'll have to see.
Speaker 1: But they just got to fall through with good thar like,
Speaker 1: that's just what they gotta do is make sure that
Speaker 1: the booking now for me, like to the rest of
Speaker 1: his w career is great, so then it doesn't feel
Speaker 1: like always because yeah, in a couple of years, if
Speaker 1: he's tapping to Jimmy Husso in WrestleMania, then yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: we shouldn't have done this, but this should be the Okay,
Speaker 1: now he's.
Speaker 4: A real made man.
Speaker 1: And even then, if he becomes a guy that doesn't
Speaker 1: wrestle much on rar Smack, when he's a big time
Speaker 1: match guy, that's kind of fun, Like you know, he's
Speaker 1: a great wrestler.
Speaker 4: It's like you have to now be careful with him.
Speaker 1: And that's not me confident in them because Triple A
Speaker 1: just made some and team have made some very questionable
Speaker 1: decisions last year.
Speaker 4: Sorry I cut you off there.
Speaker 5: No, I was just like, well, I guess in terms
Speaker 5: of like you need to continue with Gunther, I think I.
Speaker 6: Guess the next possible one.
Speaker 5: Well, the thing with the j Styles retirement, like the
Speaker 5: word was like it might be like Mania, not like
Speaker 5: the full year like Sina.
Speaker 6: I could see that, Like if Gunther's.
Speaker 5: Not going after one of the world titles at Mania,
Speaker 5: I could see Gunther and AJ being like a manium match.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, and especially because that fits there and it's
Speaker 1: if the like if we're gonna get to Brock versus
Speaker 1: him and SummerSlam.
Speaker 4: You're gonna do it there, right.
Speaker 1: And I feel that's where if Gunther is wrestling aj Styles,
Speaker 1: because we talked about the wrestling anywhere, it's like where
Speaker 1: does Gunther fit in That feels like a big match
Speaker 1: for him to like, Okay, he's not a title match,
Speaker 1: but he's retiring AJ Styles, right, because that's the tough
Speaker 1: thing now because if you look at even what they
Speaker 1: did with brock Lesner, he beat the Streak and then
Speaker 1: six months later he's world champ.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're doing that with Gunther because you
Speaker 1: got whatever's happened with Cody and Roman. We know it's
Speaker 1: gonna go Punk and Braun, so it's just goother right
Speaker 1: now is a little bit ways away from the title.
Speaker 1: So Ajan and Gunther would make sense to me if
Speaker 1: they're you know, getting barring injuries or anything. Maybe aj
Speaker 1: like even it eliminates him of the Royal Rumbel. Right,
Speaker 1: they could do that classic long term bill where it's
Speaker 1: like they're in the final full war, because I would
Speaker 1: like it if they actually gave it. I want aj
Speaker 1: to lose to take titles soon and start getting them
Speaker 1: in some some main events stuff, you know.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I mean I think I was gonna say,
Speaker 5: like we lose it to like the USUS, But then
Speaker 5: I also still think the Jay heals An is coming.
Speaker 6: I still fully believe it.
Speaker 1: That man, that man was wild and last night that.
Speaker 5: Jackie was trying to go on your way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then he even said it at one point
Speaker 3: like just give us the catch phrase and I'm gonna
Speaker 3: let you go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, even on his Instagram stories talking about his promo
Speaker 1: and everything like that, like, oh my goodness. But uh yeah, David, Also,
Speaker 1: you've been watching for a long time. What did you
Speaker 1: take from the reaction of the fans? You think it's
Speaker 1: just like a night of thing. Do you think it's
Speaker 1: gonna play into more down the line of people tune
Speaker 1: in an You think it's just emotionally?
Speaker 4: Where were you gonna? Were you surprised to see this?
Speaker 4: Where were you?
Speaker 3: So? I told somebody today that, uh, the way that
Speaker 3: Triple H got booed reminded me of the scene from
Speaker 3: Star Wars when Obi Wan's tuck nannikin about you're supposed
Speaker 3: to be the chosen one. That's the way people feel
Speaker 3: about Triple AH as compared to Vince, like you were
Speaker 3: supposed to come in and save us from the Vince era,
Speaker 3: and now we're getting a lot of the same booking
Speaker 3: you you joined there, And I think that's why people
Speaker 3: are so pisses, because they feel like, Okay, this is
Speaker 3: still the old school style. You're not doing anything different,
Speaker 3: you're not quote unquote listening to the fans. But again
Speaker 3: I triple chat that shitting and grin on his face,
Speaker 3: like I got you to feel something. You the entire
Speaker 3: arena is erupting, and I got you to feel that way.
Speaker 3: So in that sense, I mean mission accomplished. I do
Speaker 3: think that Gunther should go on just a monster deal.
Speaker 3: If he's not going for a World championship, then he
Speaker 3: needs to be the one to retire whoever is next
Speaker 3: to retire, Like he's that guy. He bring back a
Speaker 3: modified version of the legend killer, and he's the man
Speaker 3: who puts you out the pasture. And I could see
Speaker 3: Gunther bragging about that, how he's retired John Cena, He's
Speaker 3: retired aj Styles, he retired Randy Orten or whoever else
Speaker 3: is coming in. If you bring in Jericho, eventually retire
Speaker 3: him and just continue to build him up in that
Speaker 3: way of he's the big the new big bad and.
Speaker 1: Because you know why what you can do because obviously
Speaker 1: if it's someone's last match, I am you usually in
Speaker 1: the agreeents that they should lose. I'm not trying to,
Speaker 1: you know, be on complete Triple H bandwagon here, but
Speaker 1: it's like when he says like, oh, that's like a tradition.
Speaker 1: To me, it is, it's the best way you go out.
Speaker 1: I I love AW, I love Swarve Strickland, I love people.
Speaker 1: I hate people going around showing all the Sting stuff.
Speaker 1: The Staying retirement was so different even then if you
Speaker 1: even like people have said Sting wanted to lose and
Speaker 1: they wouldn't.
Speaker 4: Let him, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But the other difference is for me, of why
Speaker 1: I was fine with TK and stuff doing that. The
Speaker 1: last few years of Sting's career sucked. He what happened
Speaker 1: in TEENA, how he went out was very underwhelming, and
Speaker 1: he had this big run it was nothing. The WWE
Speaker 1: run was a huge pain. And then he also had
Speaker 1: a career ending injury. So it's not like Sina who's
Speaker 1: had like even the times he's been around, like there's
Speaker 1: some questionable stuff like awesome theory and soul, but that
Speaker 1: is nowhere near. Hey, Stings in the back of the
Speaker 1: ambulance doesn't know if he's gonna be able to move again, right, Like,
Speaker 1: to me, the Sting story, it's all a case by
Speaker 1: case basis, right, that story fit getting happy end because,
Speaker 1: like I said, there was the last five years of
Speaker 1: his career. Even WCW. You can say, like the brand,
Speaker 1: like the face. He was the face of a brand
Speaker 1: that went out of business. Right, so you can make
Speaker 1: an argument that, hey, this character, it's been around since
Speaker 1: the seventies eighties, pauper of people well loved, who's had
Speaker 1: like a couple of shitty years. Let's give it a
Speaker 1: good ending here, right, so that I understand we're seeing
Speaker 1: it like again, he doesn't need the good ending. The
Speaker 1: guy's been the face of the company for multiple decades.
Speaker 1: He's earned a lot of money, He's in a bunch
Speaker 1: of movies. That's why for me, it's like Sina can
Speaker 1: lose this and that kind of feels a little fitting
Speaker 1: with the character. And even then too, like look at
Speaker 1: the pairing. The young Bucks didn't need to beat Sting, right,
Speaker 1: I don't even know if I'd say Gooder needed to
Speaker 1: beat Sina because he could all lost and bounce back,
Speaker 1: but man does it like bring him up big time?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 1: Where Bucks like cool they beat Sting, It's like that's
Speaker 1: not any like in they're Teddy Champions again. So for me,
Speaker 1: I hate that comparison because Sting and Sena's.
Speaker 4: Ending are very very different. You know.
Speaker 1: I think there's other ones where it's like for me,
Speaker 1: I know it's his type of match, but like I
Speaker 1: still would have preferred like Undertaker putting over AJ because
Speaker 1: it's kind of crazy that in Saudi Arabia Undertaker beat
Speaker 1: AJ in fifteen seconds and then still goes to bury him.
Speaker 1: You know, like that's where I say, Yeah, that's somewhere
Speaker 1: you go. You know what, it's not Undertake or it's
Speaker 1: not like Undertake No sorry, it is Undertaker's fault that
Speaker 1: his last few years were shit because he should retire
Speaker 1: a long time ago and he's just coming back and
Speaker 1: putting on these really bad matches Like that's his fault.
Speaker 1: He didn't break his neck like Sting, Like that's on him.
Speaker 1: He should have retired a long time ago, and I
Speaker 1: don't know if he needed to beat AJ, but that
Speaker 1: was like a fun, weird COVID match like didn't really matter, right,
Speaker 1: So I just that comparison to people using like oh
Speaker 1: and I like I said, I love AW, I currently
Speaker 1: watch that more, But them using that as like the
Speaker 1: dunk on w B, It's like, I don't think it is,
Speaker 1: like to me, it doesn't work, but like, oh, look
Speaker 1: this is the way it works. It's like, what did
Speaker 1: they do Brian? They gave him a super sad depressing ending.
Speaker 1: So it's not like, oh, every time someone retires in AW,
Speaker 1: they're a huge hero and they win. It's like, no,
Speaker 1: it all depends on the story. Brian's story needed the
Speaker 1: sad mocks He's gonna kill him and that set.
Speaker 4: Up death Riders right. So it's like it's case by case.
Speaker 1: When people are like, oh, he would never do this
Speaker 1: to a legendary figure, it's like they already did, like
Speaker 1: and they will do it again.
Speaker 6: I don't think.
Speaker 5: I don't think Tony Kahan even hated the scene of
Speaker 5: finish because if he did, because he did do the
Speaker 5: thank you for watching a w But if he hated it, he.
Speaker 6: Would have done it right away. He did this like like.
Speaker 1: Or he promotes a match too. He'll always promote like
Speaker 1: this Thursday, watch for it, like he knows the right
Speaker 1: time to don.
Speaker 5: He was watching like this is some good ship right
Speaker 5: here in my company.
Speaker 1: Which one. You know, he's gonna he's gonna throw a
Speaker 1: scene in the bag, you know, and walks. He's gonna
Speaker 1: do the same thing with the plastic bag. Show him out.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I just I don't know. It's weird that
Speaker 1: people have been showing that as the staying things like
Speaker 1: that's the way to do It's like, no, I think
Speaker 1: that was the way for Sting to do it, not
Speaker 1: like all wrestling, you know.
Speaker 4: I just I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's a weird thing. But yeah, obviously, so do we
Speaker 1: think Scenea's going to the Hall this year? I think
Speaker 1: they wait one more year.
Speaker 2: They've got him for five years, so I think that
Speaker 2: they wait another year.
Speaker 1: Because he didn't do his big speech.
Speaker 5: It since it's like especially since it's in Vegas, like
Speaker 5: whereas his last Sstlemania and he won the championship and everything,
Speaker 5: I could see it.
Speaker 2: I don't know, like Saudi's already claimed him.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say, because I feel like they would
Speaker 5: have announced it like kind of early. I feel like
Speaker 5: I feel like they could have announced it already if
Speaker 5: they were doing it, because I don't know, it feels
Speaker 5: random if they announced it like after like a rumble
Speaker 5: or something that he's like not in it's like just like,
Speaker 5: oh yeah, scene's going in the Hall of Fame too.
Speaker 1: Because they could have done it even last night though, right.
Speaker 1: I think we even talked about that as like a
Speaker 1: theory where they would announce like Ahwa's gonna end and
Speaker 1: triple ah is gonna be like, oh and we got
Speaker 1: one more like honestly though, that could have That's why
Speaker 1: I'm almost against it on him because that moment last
Speaker 1: night when he brings him aside and points to the screen,
Speaker 1: that video could have ended with going in the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame whatever, you know. So like I think I'm
Speaker 1: up two minds where like either you can do the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame right now and you build all, hey,
Speaker 1: we just did that last run and we're putting in
Speaker 1: the whole fame, or like make people miss him a
Speaker 1: little bit and then do the thing. I guess the
Speaker 1: only reason I was leaning towards the Whole Fame is
Speaker 1: I was surprised he didn't do a speech or promo
Speaker 1: or whatever, so I thought, well, maybe the Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame's coming up in a couple months. He's gonna save
Speaker 1: all this good stuff for that. But I was surprised
Speaker 1: he said nothing. Obviously took the gear off. He did.
Speaker 1: He saluted so many fucking times, just that image of
Speaker 1: him going and whatnot. But you know, and I like
Speaker 1: to they gi him like the mini Rick Flair one.
Speaker 1: I was kind of hoping they did the whole Ric
Speaker 1: Flair one where you know, and like, I'm not like
Speaker 1: a massive fan their feud. I was very surprised, Like
Speaker 1: Randy wasn't sauty. I was surprised they couldn't even talk
Speaker 1: to Big Dave and get him out there, like it
Speaker 1: felt like there's a couple even rock. It's like you can't,
Speaker 1: like you're just gonna film the Instagram video. It's like
Speaker 1: you can't, like you're a CEO man like or you're
Speaker 1: on the board, like get out there, like, oh, you
Speaker 1: fucking hijack this guy's because Cody didn't turn heel, you
Speaker 1: hijacked this guy's last year. The most you could do
Speaker 1: is come out there and raise his goddamn you know.
Speaker 1: So that's the only thing is I felt like with
Speaker 1: Flair because I was there it felt like everybody but
Speaker 1: Sting because they tried to talk to teen A and
Speaker 1: they wouldn't allow it. But they felt like they got
Speaker 1: everybody you could think of in Rick Flair's career to
Speaker 1: be there, right and with this it just felt like, oh,
Speaker 1: we got like everyone that's on the roster here, you know.
Speaker 1: So but even Roman, even even Roman wasn't there. I
Speaker 1: was just, you know, he gets to do the thank
Speaker 1: you John in the video, but I was surprised even
Speaker 1: Rome wasn't there. This guy who see didn't have to
Speaker 1: call you the goat, doesn't say you're the best of
Speaker 1: all time, but he goes out of his way all
Speaker 1: the time to like, I think the the best rest
Speaker 1: of all times. Roman reigns and.
Speaker 6: His game of Ward does his travel for the week.
Speaker 1: That was it. So yeah, and I guess on that know,
Speaker 1: we talked, but I'm very I know why people are mad.
Speaker 1: I I was fine with them doing the archive footage, evince, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't need to see events, but like, I'll take
Speaker 1: that over.
Speaker 5: I always wonder, like where WWE keeps all these interview clips,
Speaker 5: because they use these for every single.
Speaker 6: One of these, like that TRIPLEH interview that Vince interview.
Speaker 1: That's that's this this shirt.
Speaker 5: There's a one that they use all the time, like
Speaker 5: the must be from like yeah, like like two thousand
Speaker 5: and eight.
Speaker 1: It is because because I used to have a lot
Speaker 1: of those DVDs. And that's why it's so interesting. It's like,
Speaker 1: can't sit down for like two minutes, like a new
Speaker 1: It's like him with long hair and the ponytail. It's
Speaker 1: so funny. But yeah, like to me, I'll take Vince
Speaker 1: archrival footage than what they really could have done.
Speaker 4: They really could have had this fucker, And I thought,
Speaker 4: I thought there was a chance. And man, I wonder how.
Speaker 1: Music, Yeah, I wonder what would have happened to with
Speaker 1: them booing triple H and Vince was there Because there's
Speaker 1: only a pocket of thank you Vince chances pleeple, Oh.
Speaker 4: No, don't do that.
Speaker 2: The fucking Vin's chance would have been high throughout that.
Speaker 1: No, I don't. I don't think they would have been. Man,
Speaker 1: I actually think they would. I think because they were
Speaker 1: so mad at Triple H they would have been like
Speaker 1: it was better with him, it was.
Speaker 3: Better with Because at that point, do you then start
Speaker 3: to think, Okay, if Vince is there Vince made this
Speaker 3: call for him to tap out.
Speaker 2: This is Vince eras shit.
Speaker 1: That's why.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why they did it on to Vince.
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, I think we're pretty happy with
Speaker 1: what happened. Yeah, but uh yeah, I'm just happy that
Speaker 1: I'm happy no political figures were there on screen, Like
Speaker 1: I didn't need the whole circuit, the circus pony show
Speaker 1: that I was worried they were gonna make this do
Speaker 1: so yeah, it was.
Speaker 4: It was interesting.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be curious how it's looked upon later on, right,
Speaker 1: because even the streak me and they're just talking about
Speaker 1: the day. It's like people all time still go back
Speaker 1: and forth like if that was the right call? Right,
Speaker 1: because she's always in the mind she thought like why
Speaker 1: didn't they just let him keep It's like I was
Speaker 1: always fine with him losing it, because you build it up,
Speaker 1: you have to give it to somebody, right, So I'm
Speaker 1: the same thing here.
Speaker 5: This I haven't seen like even the people who didn't
Speaker 5: like the finish, I haven't really seen many people saying
Speaker 5: like it.
Speaker 6: Shouldn't have been right, That's what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yes, And that's the thing that's where for me, that
Speaker 1: was the problem the streak where people debate should and not.
Speaker 1: But for me it was always like did they pick
Speaker 1: the right guy right? And for me, I think the
Speaker 1: idea of yes, I'm in the camp scene, I should
Speaker 1: have lost and tapped up. But to me the debate
Speaker 1: is less because if you're debating, oh, should it be
Speaker 1: one loss? To me, he's like, well does America? Is
Speaker 1: my hope is the next five year shows us that
Speaker 1: they picked the right guy and it goes the right way, right,
Speaker 1: And yeah, this is something goother can always say now
Speaker 1: that he retired Johnson, he retired Goldberg, Oh that's what
Speaker 1: he's gonna say. We want a different track that eventually,
Speaker 1: let's say he retires, Jeric Ome retires Lessener. What's gonna
Speaker 1: happen is at some point they can use this as
Speaker 1: a stip because I always thought, oh, what if you
Speaker 1: versus something that's.
Speaker 4: Retiring and they win.
Speaker 1: You don't know want that he can do a match
Speaker 1: with somebody of like you need to put your career
Speaker 1: on the line, right that get.
Speaker 6: Like the Randy Uran match, like the legend killer versus
Speaker 6: the career you.
Speaker 1: No, I think it would do somebody that would be
Speaker 1: like a fake out like because to me, that's you
Speaker 1: can finally have someone beat goonther when that stip is
Speaker 1: on the line, like someone I guess it could be
Speaker 1: Randy if he's not done, but that's where to me,
Speaker 1: you should do it with somebody at some point where
Speaker 1: it's not just oh, this is market is the last
Speaker 1: match is literally hey, some storyline where Okay, i'll give
Speaker 1: you another shot the title.
Speaker 4: I'll do this, but if you lose, you have to retire.
Speaker 1: And if you yeah, because if you have gooon through
Speaker 1: with a track re ger of three to four people,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh man, that makes sense for his character
Speaker 1: to throw that out because that's the same thing. Eventually,
Speaker 1: someone has to be the not career killer, right, someone
Speaker 1: has to beat goon thro at the last match thing.
Speaker 4: And that's where I think it'd be good.
Speaker 1: Like the perfect story would be like someone like a Sammy, Right,
Speaker 1: it's not Sammy's same, but someone like that that's an
Speaker 1: underdog character that like, you have a title match, but
Speaker 1: if you lose, you gotta retire and then they win,
Speaker 1: Like there's lots of stuff you can do there, right,
Speaker 1: But uh, And that was the other thing too with
Speaker 1: brock Lesner and the whole streak thing. They botched that
Speaker 1: after the fact because no one really ever got like
Speaker 1: the the first person to beat Brock Lesner after the
Speaker 1: streak was Goldberg, and that to me was I know,
Speaker 1: there's tons of Dee that try to defend that. That
Speaker 1: was not defendable to me. Goldberg didn't need that. You
Speaker 1: could have still done him in Mania. He could have
Speaker 1: beat Kevin Owens for that title. Like there's so many ways.
Speaker 1: That was always the thing of like, oh well, Brock's
Speaker 1: gonna lose their own right, and he didn't until like
Speaker 1: five years later.
Speaker 4: So anything else on uh guther or seen it here?
Speaker 1: Anything else?
Speaker 6: I think?
Speaker 1: So, yeah, well see what it does. I hope this
Speaker 1: Lisa Gooler just getting some nice he'll heat going forward.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, what do you guys think about We'll go
Speaker 1: back to the very being the show Cody versus Oba Fami.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 5: I'll say I was really liking the match up to
Speaker 5: the the DQ. I thought it was I thought it
Speaker 5: was awesome. I liked seeing you know, Ova, like the
Speaker 5: crowd was like seriously impressed and like in of Ova,
Speaker 5: like every time he was throwing Cody back, you could
Speaker 5: hear the crowd being like like well like like this
Speaker 5: guy is is something and that's just so funny.
Speaker 1: We's seene It's like, oh, I want people up there
Speaker 1: that the crowd may not know saying gonna shine. It's
Speaker 1: like not the case of Oba family, like everybody's who
Speaker 1: in and they they're excited to see him, not saying out.
Speaker 6: Of the NXT talent.
Speaker 5: He was the one that like even just off the entrance,
Speaker 5: was already again a huge reaction. The other ones, their
Speaker 5: entrance was like just like normal and to quiet, and
Speaker 5: then once they got in the ring, the crowd would
Speaker 5: really go for it. But Oba like he was completely
Speaker 5: like ready from the start there. And uh yeah, I'd
Speaker 5: say from from what we got off the match, I
Speaker 5: thought it was it was really great. I thought they
Speaker 5: they had good chemistry from what we saw. Actually did
Speaker 5: go back and see how exactly like Cody's ear got
Speaker 5: like hurt. I saw it from a different angles, Like
Speaker 5: he went over the desk like perfectly fine, and then
Speaker 5: the desk is like it's kind of like it's like
Speaker 5: a it has.
Speaker 6: Like on the sides. He was like leaning.
Speaker 5: I think he wanted to lean his head against like
Speaker 5: one of the sides and he thought he was like
Speaker 5: lined up with it, so he just moved his head.
Speaker 6: Back and he was off the side a little bit,
Speaker 6: so he just like slammed the back of.
Speaker 5: His ear like into the corner. Uh, And that's what
Speaker 5: did it. And then yeah, there was just the DQ
Speaker 5: which is just like what it was there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, David, Yeah, I enjoyed the match. The ending was predictable.
Speaker 3: Like I said, I said it in our chat earlier
Speaker 3: on discord that I felt like that's how it was
Speaker 3: going to end. But man, the crowd reaction to Oba
Speaker 3: coming out, the fact that you know, he still continued
Speaker 3: to get a reaction against Cody, like people were still
Speaker 3: cheering for him. And one when that spot where he
Speaker 3: reaches down and picks Cody up by his throat, I'm
Speaker 3: just like, my man is looking nice and strong and
Speaker 3: really just really cool spots they let him have his shine,
Speaker 3: And there are times where it looks like Cody was
Speaker 3: giving him everything he could in order to knock this
Speaker 3: big man off his feet. So again you got another
Speaker 3: powerhouse there, another big strong guy. If you want someone
Speaker 3: to come in and wreck shop, there you go. He's Hilf. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he's set and he's ready. He's ready for the main roster,
Speaker 3: so that if he drops the title this coming Tuesday
Speaker 3: and is on the main roster by Friday, I wouldn't
Speaker 3: be mad at it because he definitely earned it with
Speaker 3: this one.
Speaker 1: Just put him in a fucking eight way match and
Speaker 1: have someone else beat, like, don't even have him take
Speaker 1: the pen. Like to me, that's where it's like when
Speaker 1: the crowd was reacting that way, because I've not seen
Speaker 1: a bunch of but I seen Hienough to know that
Speaker 1: he's ready ringwise to go up. He's got the ore
Speaker 1: and everything. But when the crowd when he came out
Speaker 1: won his entrance on a big stage was phenomenal. That
Speaker 1: was he felt like that that, like I know Rome's
Speaker 1: called himself the Final Boss, but it felt like that,
Speaker 1: like or I guess Rock now calls himself the Final Boss,
Speaker 1: but it feels like that. It feels like in a
Speaker 1: video game where it's like, oh fuck, like I got
Speaker 1: this guy left and he's just coming out, and the
Speaker 1: way they shoot it when it's like a little bit
Speaker 1: of the upward angle and he's just looking massive, I
Speaker 1: was like, this guy, it's I hope not everyone has
Speaker 1: that mentality, but I know they do, and Mark Henry
Speaker 1: said that, think about Javon Evans last week or two
Speaker 1: weeks ago, like, oh, in fifteen years he'll be world champ.
Speaker 1: It's like what like and I worry about that. We
Speaker 1: talked about the all time, with the ages and everything.
Speaker 1: It's like look at scene, like talking about see him retiring.
Speaker 1: It took him when he got to the main roster
Speaker 1: in oh three he got the world title five. Same
Speaker 1: thing as Dave Batista, same thing as brock Lesner. I
Speaker 1: know it was a different era, but like, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying you got a trap, Javon, but like to me,
Speaker 1: Oba can just win the rumble and win a title,
Speaker 1: that's fine. We don't need to like have Oh we
Speaker 1: got to get him up there and see what he does.
Speaker 1: Like even the NXT thing when they do the like,
Speaker 1: oh we want to see if they're good at being
Speaker 1: a heel and a baby face, it's like, no, man,
Speaker 1: you don't do that.
Speaker 5: That might kind of be bron breaker, like yeah, finally
Speaker 5: yeah in twenty twenty four, yeah, than hopefully. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And that's why I hope that this new crop they
Speaker 1: are gonna do that stuff right with I guess with
Speaker 1: Broun we're gonna see what happens on January and then
Speaker 1: I imagine you just still gonna win at some point.
Speaker 1: But they should start doing that a bit more because one,
Speaker 1: these are younger guys, but two just like then you
Speaker 1: just even have more stars in general. You know, it's
Speaker 1: not like the oh, well do we want to take
Speaker 1: the title off Cody? Like, I think Cody will be
Speaker 1: fine now. And I think I was happy last night
Speaker 1: when he got that ring that it was like a
Speaker 1: got to fifty to fifty because when Ovo was gonna
Speaker 1: that reaction, like oh man, this crowd's gonna turn. But
Speaker 1: then when they're doing this Cody road song, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: he's still fine. There's still some people there because like
Speaker 1: I'm always, I'm always waiting for what's gonna happen.
Speaker 4: But the Drew stuff, yeah, I thought it was a
Speaker 4: great match.
Speaker 1: But to the point now when they did no clean finish,
Speaker 1: I wish that Ricky was still champ and they just
Speaker 1: had seen or Cody beat Ricky and that's it. It
Speaker 1: was great to have Oba with the big showcase, but
Speaker 1: with this being the d K you finish, I and
Speaker 1: this match I think was really good and a good.
Speaker 1: Like this to me would have been a perfect blueprint
Speaker 1: for Oba winning this match in the world title, you know,
Speaker 1: because now when they wrestle second time, he does have
Speaker 1: to be still different. You can't just completely run this back.
Speaker 1: So uh no, I thought it was great up until
Speaker 1: I just I've been talking about for months.
Speaker 4: I hate this. I'm finally the DQ finish here and there.
Speaker 1: But that's why I stopped watch watching all the weekly TV,
Speaker 1: because there's so much of the main events where it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is really interesting, big matchup, and it's like, well, DQ,
Speaker 1: well DQ, And even then it's like, well, then at
Speaker 1: least just have Drew d Q like interfere and then
Speaker 1: Oba gets the win and Cody can at least kind
Speaker 1: of say that.
Speaker 4: But I get it though.
Speaker 1: That's the thing. They don't want to make Oba look
Speaker 1: weak by getting a cheap victory. But then they don't
Speaker 1: want Oba to lose because you know they're not ready
Speaker 1: for that. So then don't book this match, don't put
Speaker 1: Oba somewhere else, do a tag team match like anything else.
Speaker 1: Like it just I just don't understand they They are
Speaker 1: the bookers. It's not real life. They can choose who's
Speaker 1: gonna wrestle his match. It's like they can choose, like, oh,
Speaker 1: we don't want Oba lose, we don't want Cody louse.
Speaker 1: Well let's do a tag team match and have Cody
Speaker 1: pin some one else or Oba pin someone else. You know,
Speaker 1: It's just I don't know, so I'm I think I'm
Speaker 1: with David where yeah, just honestly have Oba imprompting match
Speaker 1: on Tuesday, lose the title and just get them up
Speaker 1: like no more. There's nothing for him to learn in
Speaker 1: XT see he's already looking like he's there with the
Speaker 1: big dogs. And yeah, this was like I what I
Speaker 1: would love is we saw signs of last night what
Speaker 1: we're talking about with Seena in the streak and brock Lesner.
Speaker 1: Make Oba Cody's brock Lesner. Make it that he beats him.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing that Cody always is trying to
Speaker 1: beat Oba. And maybe here and there gets a win,
Speaker 1: But with's I think, because yeah, Snea got one win
Speaker 1: on Brock. I think when bro came back it was
Speaker 1: the first and then after that Brock beat him every time.
Speaker 1: And that to me like do the same thing. Maybe
Speaker 1: I have Cody beat him once, but have Oba have
Speaker 1: his numbers. I'm always fine with that storyline of oh
Speaker 1: there's one guy you just can't beat, you know, in
Speaker 1: real life when I'm in the Gauntlet, that's fucking Kirkland Patzer.
Speaker 1: I beat him once. We have five matches after. I
Speaker 1: never beat that fuck River again. I just can't beat him.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. It annoys me, but
Speaker 1: that's just how it is in sports and life sometimes.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I hope Oba is up there. And also,
Speaker 1: I guess we could talk about this because last show
Speaker 1: we did Survivor Series and that was the rumor of
Speaker 1: all they're doing Cody and Roman at WrestleMania, But now
Speaker 1: there's a rumor it's like, well they're gonna do that,
Speaker 1: but not at WrestleMania. I guess I'm really confused because
Speaker 1: Meltzer is the guy that said both of them. He
Speaker 1: said them anything. But now as well as not having
Speaker 1: to me, it's like, I really don't know. I guess
Speaker 1: plants are just yeah, are they just up in the
Speaker 1: air now? Like and if that's the case, like I.
Speaker 5: Mean, I don't think like Mania plans are like, well,
Speaker 5: we seem from unreal like even in like started January,
Speaker 5: like late December one be completely different then what.
Speaker 6: We actually get.
Speaker 5: So I think it's still like I think someone saw
Speaker 5: Cody Roman and we're like, okay, I need a report
Speaker 5: that like Cody Roman is in the plants, but like
Speaker 5: that could be completely different.
Speaker 6: By the time we get to that.
Speaker 4: Yeah it was.
Speaker 1: It was on the actual chalkboard rest May thirty forty three.
Speaker 1: That's what Dave got wrong.
Speaker 6: It's yeah, yeah, just bad hand riting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so what do we think there's any chance OBA
Speaker 1: could be upcome Rumble time?
Speaker 6: I don't think so.
Speaker 5: I don't think he's dropping the title until Stand and Deliver.
Speaker 5: I think earliest raw Aftermania.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like what, like I saw some people made
Speaker 1: this because I.
Speaker 5: Know what the I know what the plan is gonna be,
Speaker 5: because they're doing like a four way to for number
Speaker 5: one contender, right, and that can just be I feel
Speaker 5: like that's a TV match that'll be Maybe that's like
Speaker 5: a Leon Slater that they can like beat on TV
Speaker 5: because then and then I feel like he's gonna fight
Speaker 5: all the guys in who are in that match on
Speaker 5: the way to Stand the Delivers, Stand the Liver is
Speaker 5: gonna be.
Speaker 4: We're gonna ob Joe Hendry match.
Speaker 5: I feel like it's gonna happen because in between, in
Speaker 5: between so twenty twenty six NX, you would have New
Speaker 5: Year's Evil, which is the first son, then Vengeance Day
Speaker 5: which is a pl E roadblock which is a TV special,
Speaker 5: and then Standon Liver and Ova always he does like
Speaker 5: a TV title defense every once in a while, So
Speaker 5: I feel like those will be that will be Leon Slater,
Speaker 5: Miles Bourne, Joe Hendry, Dion Lennox. Deon Lennox is the
Speaker 5: one that has like the most story because he that's
Speaker 5: like the whole story of Dion Lennox's.
Speaker 6: Like he'll turn because he used to be just like
Speaker 6: this like geek.
Speaker 5: Kind of guy and then Obamy backstay. He was like
Speaker 5: he was like one day like I'm gonna be challenging
Speaker 5: for that title and Ova was like, no, you're not,
Speaker 5: You suck and that made him turn heel and like
Speaker 5: come back as a as a villain. So that's like
Speaker 5: the match that like people joke about it, but like
Speaker 5: I feel like that's gonna be one of like I
Speaker 5: don't know, maybe that is just.
Speaker 6: Like the since they've been talking about it more recently, is.
Speaker 1: Just like the TV Yeah, that sounds like a good
Speaker 1: T one and plus one of those could always be
Speaker 1: like a triple threat or something too. Yeah, maybe there's
Speaker 1: a teen A guy in there or something and they're
Speaker 1: trying to sign someone else.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I feel like they're gonna give just Leon Slater
Speaker 6: like that title match.
Speaker 1: Like it's I'm very curious see how the AMC deal
Speaker 1: go because we haven't talking about that since that happened.
Speaker 6: Like the more like they've used Leon Slater more than
Speaker 6: they used Joe Hendry.
Speaker 4: It's fucking crazy.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I am, like to me, now, this is
Speaker 1: it's this is way worse than eight W New Japan partnership.
Speaker 1: They are just poached.
Speaker 4: They're literally they're not even waiting for these.
Speaker 1: Contracts to expire.
Speaker 4: They're paying them out like.
Speaker 5: That one.
Speaker 1: This is why I said, though, I'm gonna fully wait
Speaker 1: and see for judgment for the AMC deal because for
Speaker 1: the first episode of AMC, if they loaded up with
Speaker 1: some other big w starts, I'm like, Okay, I'll see
Speaker 1: teenag is not potion, But if like I can see
Speaker 1: some more bigger stuff to boost AMC, then I'm okay,
Speaker 1: then maybe.
Speaker 4: It's worth it.
Speaker 1: But right now, man, it just feels like they're just
Speaker 1: having their way with this company, and like again, get
Speaker 1: out of here. Anyone's saying there the number two, No
Speaker 1: fucking way, no way. This is like Leon Slayer is
Speaker 1: just That's why I asked us, Like he's he's just
Speaker 1: a WWE guy now, Like it's just he is on
Speaker 1: John Cena's last show? Are you kidding me? Like there
Speaker 1: are hundreds of I guess, so yeah, at least dozens
Speaker 1: of WE wrestlers on the roster that you could be like,
Speaker 1: you know what, we want to showcase one of our performers.
Speaker 1: They're showcasing something that's not even under contract yet, right,
Speaker 1: but it's like it is crazy what is happening, Like
Speaker 1: I don't know how this teammate president is letting this go.
Speaker 1: They said, maybe I'll take it back for AMC. Maybe
Speaker 1: they'll really beef them up. But right now, this is
Speaker 1: a crazy partnership. This is some I don't know, some
Speaker 1: who some magic going on.
Speaker 4: So oh god.
Speaker 1: He also says time I wanted to sit. Oh so yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess I'm just disappointed because I was hoping I
Speaker 1: saw people bring up there if you could make this
Speaker 1: WrestleMania the way like Sina and uh Batista one on
Speaker 1: the same night, that'd be great. Imagine that ends restumating
Speaker 1: at forty two and it's oba you know, w W Champ,
Speaker 1: Brown World Champ.
Speaker 4: That's literally your new era right there.
Speaker 1: If people go, oh, well they're both heels, we'll then
Speaker 1: have won the women main event like the night and
Speaker 1: have like the big pop right. But again, so like
Speaker 1: if that's the case, So if we don't, because David,
Speaker 1: do you think's coming up or you think he's saying
Speaker 1: in XSTY as well.
Speaker 2: I don't think he's coming up before the World Rumble.
Speaker 1: Okay, So if that's the case, if we're still right.
Speaker 6: I could see him in the Rumble, Yeah I don't think.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why I said I don't see him before
Speaker 3: the World Rubble. But I could definitely see him in
Speaker 3: the Royal Rumble. I mean, he would get a massive reaction.
Speaker 5: Jeon eliminates him, and you know one of these Saudi princes,
Speaker 5: you know, they're watching Sita this last show, and that's
Speaker 5: all Johnson.
Speaker 6: Guy's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: That's all Met Johnson. We gotta get him, you know,
Speaker 1: with So if that's just I guess, because in case
Speaker 1: we don't, we will do an episode. Guess we'll talk further,
Speaker 1: but like, is what's happening to Brown and Punk? Is
Speaker 1: Punk winning this at Great? Because that did get an ounced.
Speaker 1: We talked about this before last episode because I was like,
Speaker 1: I really don't want to do the thing where Braun
Speaker 1: loses and then he beats Punk down the line. Is
Speaker 1: Braun like losing at the Netflix or the first episode
Speaker 1: of Raw or is he winning.
Speaker 5: The the Also, the other report that came out was
Speaker 5: that like he was the favorite, like on the white right,
Speaker 5: you know what.
Speaker 1: Fuck it, he's gonna beat Punk and he's gonna win
Speaker 1: the rumble where you're at Cody and Braun they'renna unite
Speaker 1: the titles again. But yeah, I just I just I
Speaker 1: really hope hashtag plans change. I do not want he
Speaker 1: beats or he loses.
Speaker 5: With this, Like I feel like this mass man if
Speaker 5: he doesn't help Broun win the title, like he just sucks,
Speaker 5: like he can't do anything.
Speaker 2: Why are you here?
Speaker 1: Little war games? Though he got that right games. I
Speaker 1: guess I can see them doing some real tom fuckery where.
Speaker 6: Take the mask off when it was seth Well.
Speaker 1: That's no, maybe not that, but I could see it.
Speaker 1: I could see it that the mass Man costs Braun
Speaker 1: at Netflix, and that's a big moment where they're both
Speaker 1: down and everyone thinks, oh this u bron wins the
Speaker 1: title and that's how you kind of save Braun from
Speaker 1: like looking bad because that someone screws him.
Speaker 4: Because I guess we've heard that float.
Speaker 1: Around to that even the ideas of Seth got back,
Speaker 1: they might do Seth and Braun right or even Seth
Speaker 1: and Roman.
Speaker 4: So that's where it's like super tough right now.
Speaker 1: And I guess what I'm trying to get to is
Speaker 1: if all that's up in the Ear of Raw and
Speaker 1: if Roman and Cody is not happening, what are we
Speaker 1: doing again with Cody? We've talked about so many times.
Speaker 1: It's like and it's like, if it's gonna be Punk,
Speaker 1: then we should have Punk lose in Netflix, right like,
Speaker 1: or like he should lose and then win that chamber.
Speaker 1: But just like, I really have no idea what's going
Speaker 1: on right now at the world titles scene and both
Speaker 1: kind of things like we do, but just like what
Speaker 1: that Mania match is going to be, you know, So
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, it's it's crazy, but yeah, stopped
Speaker 1: in the deky finishes on these big shows.
Speaker 5: Again.
Speaker 1: To me, that's something where if I'm a newbie and
Speaker 1: there's this big and just ends in like a meth thing.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like if you watch a football game
Speaker 1: that ends in a tie and you're like, oh, like
Speaker 1: I get it, but like, why can't we play another quarter?
Speaker 1: I feel it feels like that, And on such a
Speaker 1: big show. I was surprised. But next we got Bailey
Speaker 1: versus soul Ruca in another submission of my case of
Speaker 1: why Bailey's Gonna be come an aw because man, they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: going to is big. You know, none of the main
Speaker 1: talent lost except for Bailey, and I'm saying, Pamela, it's time.
Speaker 1: It's time. I know they're leting johnsona come to your
Speaker 1: sessions or letting the people go there.
Speaker 4: It's all good.
Speaker 1: Your contract comes up next year, there, haven't you. You're
Speaker 1: the only person that lost to the NXT town last night.
Speaker 1: The writing is on the freaking wall. It's time to
Speaker 1: come over. But this was a really good match. Bailey's
Speaker 1: a ring general. She kind of have a good match
Speaker 1: with anybody. Like I said, I think at the beginning
Speaker 1: it started like a little clunky, but then it got there.
Speaker 1: I really loved the last sequence of Soul Snatcher in
Speaker 1: like Bailey's counter into a victory role. I thought that
Speaker 1: was very clever, even though Bailey kind of no, Sol's
Speaker 1: the finisher then because she right away just like count.
Speaker 6: But I will give it like a bit of grace
Speaker 6: because it was like, oh, she was like out of
Speaker 6: the ring for like right, yeah, no, you're right. Yeah,
Speaker 6: she hit the.
Speaker 5: Small center and I thought they were gonna do a
Speaker 5: classic but she started doing that and Soul grabbed her.
Speaker 5: But then it was like, oh, like I need to
Speaker 5: drag her in, and then she dragged her in. She
Speaker 5: like stood up and that's when she did, like it
Speaker 5: was right, yeah, she popped up and grabbed her right.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, you're absolutely right. I take that back. I
Speaker 1: forgot it was there was some in between there, so no.
Speaker 1: I thought it was really good. It was kind of
Speaker 1: weird to have, I get because they were a team,
Speaker 1: but like Zari and Lyra there, I thought that something
Speaker 1: was going to add to it, like just one way
Speaker 1: or another. And even at the end too, like I
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't think they's checked out, but when
Speaker 1: they're just like, yeah they're saloon, they do the It's
Speaker 1: just like it was a really weird aftermatch of just
Speaker 1: like raising arms and just yeah, I'm happy you beat me, kid,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know it was that part.
Speaker 6: Was they did the same thing.
Speaker 4: Did they?
Speaker 3: Okay, so yeah, but at least with the tag match,
Speaker 3: they looked like they were into it. Where Bailey, she
Speaker 3: just looked like, all right, I gotta do this thing now.
Speaker 3: They told me after the match, I gotta do my
Speaker 3: salute to John Cena like, and I do think like
Speaker 3: she cares about Johnson, but I also think that you
Speaker 3: could tell that she was very disheveled after the match, like,
Speaker 3: all right, you let someone else beat me. I guess
Speaker 3: now me and my little kid's sidekick Lyra over here
Speaker 3: can go on back to the back now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we'll see that her.
Speaker 6: Gear was supposed to be like a homage to like
Speaker 6: the Scena debut.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw it on Twitter too. That's pretty good.
Speaker 1: But yeah, oh good match, is said. I'm just interested
Speaker 1: see what happens with Bailey next shot.
Speaker 4: That's where and.
Speaker 1: Again I just I think it's it's time to go,
Speaker 1: But who knows.
Speaker 4: Me They're just gonna throw a.
Speaker 6: Title right before she.
Speaker 1: Like Chad Gable, right, they game that big heel turn
Speaker 1: and all these promises and what's he doing now? Obviously
Speaker 1: got injured, But just like same thing with Ellie Knight,
Speaker 1: I legitimately do think that's what's gonna happen. It came
Speaker 1: out of his contracts up into that in twenty seven,
Speaker 1: I'm doing I'm doing a trast told you right now.
Speaker 1: Barring him being injured or real life a controversy, I
Speaker 1: think Ellen Knight will win the title in twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 1: That's their way of like kind of keep the ind
Speaker 1: And with Bareley, it's just tough because it's like you've
Speaker 1: done all that stuff, right, She's won the rumbles, she's
Speaker 1: won the title just and I just as I said
Speaker 1: with the War Games, it just felt like she was
Speaker 1: she wasn't in the match, but I just fat she's
Speaker 1: non existing in a lot of this talk of the
Speaker 1: top tier women. But yeah, did you like the Mattress
Speaker 1: s Pubs?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 6: No, I thought it was really good. Like you're saying,
Speaker 6: like at the Stars kind of weird.
Speaker 5: I feel like Soula's like she's one of those wrestlers
Speaker 5: where it's like it's not like sloppy, but it's like
Speaker 5: that's kind of the way she is.
Speaker 6: She just kind of does like she just moves differently.
Speaker 1: Than the takes a minute to catch up.
Speaker 5: I'd say it's almost like it's sort of like a
Speaker 5: not exactly a comparison, but like see Him Punk, Like
Speaker 5: it's kind of like the opposite because se him Punk,
Speaker 5: but people say it's.
Speaker 6: Like he's like not athletic at all, but he's a
Speaker 6: good wrestler.
Speaker 5: I feel like sometimes it's like she tries to be
Speaker 5: like she's so athletic that she tries to go for
Speaker 5: stuff that like doesn't even make sense.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, at least it wasn't looking like Selena and
Speaker 1: uh Rhea hunt SmackDown. They like they worked there, So
Speaker 1: what were you David?
Speaker 2: Again? It was a good match.
Speaker 3: I would even venture to say that on a match
Speaker 3: basis alone, it was probably the better of the matches
Speaker 3: of the night. I feel like once they got their stride,
Speaker 3: they really had some good chemistry. I will say that
Speaker 3: the announcers are really big enough. The fact that soul
Speaker 3: Ruka came through the nil deal. Same thing with Obafemi,
Speaker 3: that like they're they're really trying to get that out there. Hey,
Speaker 3: all you talented college athletes, just remember these two people
Speaker 3: that you've just seen. They came up through our next
Speaker 3: in line deal, so you could be the next one.
Speaker 3: We found her at Oregon doing tumbling. Who knows what
Speaker 3: can be in store for you. I felt like they
Speaker 3: kept driving that home that you know, her collegiate background
Speaker 3: and then finding her in the short time that they've
Speaker 3: been in and now they're on a pl with John
Speaker 3: Cena and things like that.
Speaker 2: But the match itself, it was a good match. I
Speaker 2: thought that they had some great chemistry.
Speaker 3: It's just man, I feel bad for poor Bailey because
Speaker 3: I was hoping that she got to win. I knew
Speaker 3: it was a long shot, but I was really just
Speaker 3: hoping that they would give her something, especially on a
Speaker 3: big stage like this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, well, at least you have to be on
Speaker 1: the stage. I guess right, you get to be a
Speaker 1: part of that show if it's washed back. So you
Speaker 1: had the tag team match, which I I don't have
Speaker 1: too many more thoughts on.
Speaker 4: I enjoyed it. I just thought it was a lot.
Speaker 1: Sure. I thought it was gonna be They're gonna let
Speaker 1: them go a bit more crazy. I was singing like
Speaker 1: a fifteen to eighty minuter and the last five minutes
Speaker 1: was gonna be completely crazy and kind of I don't
Speaker 1: know if they didn't want that because they maybe didn't want.
Speaker 4: To burn out the crowd.
Speaker 1: That's the case, I would have swapped them the ladies
Speaker 1: not to that, just because Bailey and soul Ruku was
Speaker 1: wrestled in a different way.
Speaker 4: At the start.
Speaker 1: But even though it doesn't matter, they don't burn out
Speaker 1: the crowd because they have a bunch of segments and
Speaker 1: they have I forgot to mention that another reason why
Speaker 1: I hate the show.
Speaker 4: The soupid is our truth Johannry thing.
Speaker 1: It's just like I thought they was setting up for
Speaker 1: some really big o scena this past I'm not saying
Speaker 1: ed being one of those fans like oh Adam Copenan's
Speaker 1: gonna be her, no.
Speaker 4: But just oh man. But yeah, I was just surprised.
Speaker 1: I thought this match was gonna be a bit longer
Speaker 1: and a bit more crazier, but was still a fun match.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree exactly what you said. It was six
Speaker 3: and a half minutes. Was this match six and a
Speaker 3: half minutes?
Speaker 1: Pease?
Speaker 3: I did feel a little bit bad for Javon and
Speaker 3: Leon Slater after seeing that it was six and a
Speaker 3: half minutes, because I wish they would have gotten a
Speaker 3: little bit more time, and that it was a good match.
Speaker 3: And I will say that between the three matches preceding
Speaker 3: the going thro Johan Seena match, it does make me
Speaker 3: want to pay a little bit more attention to NXT
Speaker 3: after watching all three of these matches. So in that right,
Speaker 3: they got me to start thinking, Okay, I need to
Speaker 3: do more than just get s bub's updates on Tuesday
Speaker 3: nights via discord of how XT's doing.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, and that's that's what they do want, right, They
Speaker 1: want you and that's a good thing. Like I think
Speaker 1: we talked about this before and I suppose was completely
Speaker 1: right on his prediction as far as who would be there,
Speaker 1: but they picked the Bright Town as well to be
Speaker 1: select and highlighted between. I think with soul Ruka doesn't
Speaker 1: matter what people feel about to finish or the way
Speaker 1: she works, It's like she has a certain she has
Speaker 1: like close that like what people talk about would Jay
Speaker 1: So or Jeff Hardy, where there's just like a likable
Speaker 1: quality that you just can't teach to somebody. Right, Oba
Speaker 1: has whatever we talked about, and then Jayon and Leon Slater,
Speaker 1: you know, the future Dirty Stars, just like they have,
Speaker 1: they have certain talents and skills that are are very good.
Speaker 1: I'm sure, of course there's tons of other people in
Speaker 1: XC that are great well too, but I can see
Speaker 1: why they selected some of them. But yeah, any thoughts
Speaker 1: on this one?
Speaker 6: Uh, the tag match now, I pretty much just talked
Speaker 6: about it already. I just thought, yeah, it was it.
Speaker 6: They did all their their.
Speaker 5: Spots as fast as possible, but I thought it was
Speaker 5: still a fun match. And like you said, in terms
Speaker 5: of I pick, I'd say, like for what WW wants
Speaker 5: in like the wrestlers, I thought it made like That's
Speaker 5: why I went with these, Like I feel like they
Speaker 5: all have like that that like the IT factors, they
Speaker 5: like the marketability Like it's like, yeah, they have like
Speaker 5: like OVI feminees, l Ruka, like they have unique looks.
Speaker 6: And like Javon and Leon like they have well even
Speaker 6: like Triple H.
Speaker 5: Like on the post show he was talking about like
Speaker 5: they asked him about Javon and Leon and he's saying
Speaker 5: something like there's a lot of guys who have like
Speaker 5: they have what they say it's like there's a lot
Speaker 5: of guys who have like that sort of like extreme
Speaker 5: athleticism and do all the spots because yeah, but then
Speaker 5: they have no personality. But these guys have have all
Speaker 5: the ability and all the personality. So and some people
Speaker 5: are like always taking shots at Ricochet, but I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know that's the case.
Speaker 1: But like, honestly, if Triple Ah is there, if there's
Speaker 1: a scenario where you're looking his head and Shawn Sin's
Speaker 1: last match, I gotta take some shots at Ricochet.
Speaker 4: It's just like then we are in trouble.
Speaker 1: If that's like really, especially because like I think in
Speaker 1: aw he has shown like some of his best stuff
Speaker 1: has when he was like that kind of psycho nerd thing, right,
Speaker 1: I feel like he's Ricochet's regressed again.
Speaker 4: With this group.
Speaker 1: I think this group's actually done no favorites for Ricochet.
Speaker 1: I think it's gona give him a clutch. But before
Speaker 1: when he was doing like the he's wearing a sweater
Speaker 1: vest and the glasses, but then he's murdering someone's scissors,
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, that's a fun different type of gimmick.
Speaker 1: Now he's just like classic chicken shit heel guy. But yeah,
Speaker 1: if trium Baher's honestly think of that on last night,
Speaker 1: we're in big trouble.
Speaker 4: We're in big trouble.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 6: I was gonna say, I think he's in the Diamond Ring.
Speaker 5: He's royal and so so you know, Sean's gonna eliminate him,
Speaker 5: and this Sheet's.
Speaker 1: Gonna tack in hell man, I yeah, we'll we'll get there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: anything else I'm trying to think we had. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: So for the Tag team, so yeah, you're still convinced
Speaker 1: Jay heel turn's coming and they're not getting those tag
Speaker 1: type think the way they're.
Speaker 5: Doing it, because they're doing like when they like Reunited,
Speaker 5: it was like they they came out to just Jay's
Speaker 5: music and Jay wasn't saying anything, like Jay was just quiet.
Speaker 6: Well, Jimmy was like Jay.
Speaker 5: Like he's lost to l A Knight, He's lost the
Speaker 5: good there, He's lost to everybody. And Jay wasn't like
Speaker 5: saying anything, and then it was and then his only
Speaker 5: response was like, yeah, I just decided, you know, I
Speaker 5: need my brother and we're gonna win those titles. So
Speaker 5: I feel like they're gonna beat the New Day. They're
Speaker 5: gonna go for the titles like they're gonna lose and
Speaker 5: then he's gonna like shoot chair shot Jimmy.
Speaker 4: So shoot shoot.
Speaker 1: I would love it. I don't think they do this.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite heel turns of all time is
Speaker 1: the Second Shield breakup when Seth and Dean won the
Speaker 1: titles and then right after they won the titles, Ambrose
Speaker 1: turn on them. I would love them to do that
Speaker 1: where Jay wins it and then like kind of even
Speaker 1: says like, oh you like more like Jimmy, you need
Speaker 1: me so like we're the reason we won these titles,
Speaker 1: But I don't really need to do that, and like
Speaker 1: does it matter because like a j and dragonly like
Speaker 1: they're not gonna be a long term tag team.
Speaker 4: So I love that.
Speaker 1: Just the Jay so heel turned things scares me because.
Speaker 5: Like like they're gonna do like the nodi Q Jimmy
Speaker 5: versus j I know we can't, we can't. The most
Speaker 5: they both said that like they know the match was
Speaker 5: bad last time. I feel like they're gonna want they
Speaker 5: want to redeem it.
Speaker 1: How much power does the Simone dynasty have? Then you
Speaker 1: don't you can redeem it on like a backlash, but
Speaker 1: not at WrestleMania. I just because like at the same time,
Speaker 1: I know, everyone celebrate when people are putting those tweets
Speaker 1: of like the singles runs over like all these means,
Speaker 1: but it's just like majority of the mainstream audience still
Speaker 1: like has a good time with jau So it goes
Speaker 1: back and forth, but they're still yen, They're still doing
Speaker 1: this stuff like they don't care the same way we do.
Speaker 1: So it's just and I don't think Jay's maybe who
Speaker 1: knows because Naomi that was a surprise, but I just
Speaker 1: I just don't.
Speaker 5: Like he like kills Jimmy and he goes off on
Speaker 5: his paternity leave there.
Speaker 1: Well I could see it before because I still think
Speaker 1: remember they did that goddamn tribal hair trademark. I still
Speaker 1: if he turns heel, I do not think Roman versus
Speaker 1: Jay is off the table. I think there's a good
Speaker 1: chance that that happens with Jimmy like making the safe
Speaker 1: or like making like doing something like that like I
Speaker 1: which I don't think is as much as like Roman
Speaker 1: and Cody scares me. Roman and j heel J. I
Speaker 1: don't know how that's that sounds like a scary WrestleMania
Speaker 1: match up. To me that that has I cannot wait
Speaker 1: to listen to Meltzer's review of that match if that
Speaker 1: match happens, And you know, and I wonder, like what
Speaker 1: Jay's heel entrances but he does off for some reason,
Speaker 1: but like I wonder, But uh, okay, So I'm I'm
Speaker 1: gonna just to be positive. Say no, I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: they win the titles and they're just happy. Maybe they
Speaker 1: break the up down the line. And what do you
Speaker 1: think is happening with the tag titles, David? It was
Speaker 1: just winning this right away. Do you think there's some
Speaker 1: chicane ray in there gonna be a heel turn? What
Speaker 1: do you think is happening?
Speaker 3: I don't think they're gonna turn j heel just yet
Speaker 3: because there's still so much money within his shirts and
Speaker 3: his entrance and everything else. So but I do think
Speaker 3: that they're gonna be winning the tag team titles pretty soon.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll say I wanted to be them just winning
Speaker 5: it and them facing like I don't know, like the
Speaker 5: Lucha brosat Mania, But I feel like it's gonna be
Speaker 5: the the Jades here.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that'd be I didn't even think about that.
Speaker 1: The Brothers us Brothers Tag Team. Yeah, yeah, there's something
Speaker 1: there or they just do a schmaws. There was like
Speaker 1: four of them everything, So we'll see. Is there anything
Speaker 1: WW related wise, we've talked about like big storylines, something
Speaker 1: we've missed out.
Speaker 6: On taking out. People think he's been fired by by
Speaker 6: Triple Age. First.
Speaker 1: That was weird.
Speaker 4: That was that was a weird.
Speaker 1: That was an odd, odd scenario of people thinking that.
Speaker 1: But uh, I guess it's just doing this thing.
Speaker 5: I feel like he like returns in the rumble. I
Speaker 5: feel like they do this every year where someone gets
Speaker 5: like taken out and then they come back.
Speaker 1: In the Rumble and maybe even up to like the Mania.
Speaker 5: You know. Yeah, I was gonna say, I'm pretty sure
Speaker 5: he has like the most matches worked out of anyone,
Speaker 5: so he does just be like he gets his Christmas
Speaker 5: break here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I listened to a Scena episode where he said,
Speaker 1: like the most matches this year was La Night with
Speaker 1: seventy seventies, Like I used to be wrestling like two
Speaker 1: hundred and.
Speaker 4: Fifty six, So you know, it is crazy that way.
Speaker 1: But uh yeah, oh, I guess like.
Speaker 5: The uh, well, we don't really know if we're gonna
Speaker 5: have a show before the the fifth, I guess, or.
Speaker 1: I guess not, but I well, I think we'll have
Speaker 1: a I think I think we'd probably have a because like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: even if it's that weekend. Yeah, I guess one hundred
Speaker 1: percent confirms Yeah.
Speaker 5: So I'll say the other big thing is like the
Speaker 5: whole women's tag titles thing or like now there's like
Speaker 5: every single team in there.
Speaker 1: Right They've not officially made any matches though, right, No,
Speaker 1: they've sort of.
Speaker 5: Just had been having like singles matches between different people
Speaker 5: involved in all the teams. So it still makes me
Speaker 5: wonder because right now there'd be I think six teams,
Speaker 5: so it would be Rianneo Charlotte and Alexa Bailey and
Speaker 5: Lyra Roxan and Live the Kabooki Warriors, Lash and Naya.
Speaker 5: I think that's everyone who's involved in it so far.
Speaker 5: So I'm wondering, like, is it just gonna be like
Speaker 5: a massive I guess i'd be like the six Pack
Speaker 5: Challenge TLC match, it's like one option or do you
Speaker 5: do something else like a gauntlet or.
Speaker 1: Takeing Turmoil used to be yeah, which is a gauntlet
Speaker 1: one by one? Yeah, I don't I would love it, obviously,
Speaker 1: what I would love them to do is do some
Speaker 1: sort of screwy finish where the titles get vacated and
Speaker 1: then do like a big tournament.
Speaker 4: I know we've just did the Seen A tournament, but
Speaker 4: I'd it if you could do that.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I think your theory when
Speaker 1: you said, like whether it's some sort of multiple MENTLC
Speaker 1: or something that makes sense. I'm just trying to think
Speaker 1: about where they place it. Do they think that's on
Speaker 1: the first Netflix or do they put them smacked And
Speaker 1: because smackton is going to three hours now right beginning
Speaker 1: of January, so I think you should probably do in
Speaker 1: SmackDown where you give them the main event and then
Speaker 1: just make like the last hour like with Entrances, Yeah,
Speaker 1: with the Entrances celebration the last hour that thing. And
Speaker 1: because I think too that I'll signify as far as.
Speaker 4: What are we doing with everybody?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 1: What are we doing with Charlotte and Alexa? What are
Speaker 1: we doing with Rio and EO? Because like I fee
Speaker 1: fill with like Ria and EO, it's if they pull
Speaker 1: the trigger and give them the titles. I honestly think
Speaker 1: they might have them till media. They might just run
Speaker 1: with that for a little bit. So that's where it's like,
Speaker 1: I with with this match will tell us a lot
Speaker 1: what's going on. I think Lash and I are good
Speaker 1: to be like a tag team for a little bit.
Speaker 1: But same thing with Charlotte is she just gonna be
Speaker 1: a tag team person in Gannaicamania or they don't want
Speaker 1: to get her ready for WrestleMania. What is going because
Speaker 1: she lost? Is Tiffany and like hurt or she just
Speaker 1: time off right now, She's.
Speaker 6: Just time off. She was like all off all social
Speaker 6: media until like a few days ago.
Speaker 1: And all I saw, Yeah, everyone's talking about who her
Speaker 1: new guys and everything like that.
Speaker 5: But I think she's also Saudi Arabia two with like
Speaker 5: Randy and Live and a bunch of other people.
Speaker 6: Oh Moss is there. I believe he is.
Speaker 1: I saw him behind, Like what's a loss in there?
Speaker 6: Yeah, So I feel like she'll come back.
Speaker 5: I feel like she might just come back whenever Jade
Speaker 5: has her next title defense.
Speaker 1: What a fucking just loop. They've been on the SmackDown
Speaker 1: Women's They've been in this loop since like the week
Speaker 1: after WrestleMania. It's kind of crazy.
Speaker 5: So and the whole thing with Mechen Cory Gridge just
Speaker 5: like buried her on a commentary After's like they had
Speaker 5: a segment where like, because it was supposed to be
Speaker 5: like Jade versus Michen, We're gonna have a match on SmackDown,
Speaker 5: like non title and Michen is like in Gorilla how
Speaker 5: to make her entrance, and she's like cutting a promo
Speaker 5: and Jade just like attacks her from behind and then
Speaker 5: walks out. It's like like I forget, but she she
Speaker 5: said like, oh, I don't need to fight Michin anymore.
Speaker 5: And then Meechen came out with like a kendostick started
Speaker 5: hitting her, but then Jade just like gets the upper
Speaker 5: hand again, choke slams her and walks away, and Corey
Speaker 5: Grace was like, I don't think we're ever going to
Speaker 5: see Meachin challenging for.
Speaker 1: The title again, which is I'm sure they probably still
Speaker 1: will do it because I will do like.
Speaker 5: The No d Q match, especially since they had like
Speaker 5: Meechen was like about to get a table and like
Speaker 5: Jane threw it away and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, well and even then Jay, they're just trying
Speaker 1: to figure so out because it wasn't a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago, they just had her like beat up Chelsea
Speaker 1: Green for all the reasons.
Speaker 5: Just yeah, she like she squat, Yeah, she she beat
Speaker 5: up Chelsea Green. Then she had actually just like squashed
Speaker 5: like Alba fire, and like like two minutes she had another.
Speaker 5: Oh like bfab, she just like squashed be fab.
Speaker 1: So it's so funny that I because I remember, I
Speaker 1: think it was PW Insider because they I think they
Speaker 1: were the ones to confirmed the three hours and then
Speaker 1: the same report it's like WW knows that there's some
Speaker 1: issues with SmackDown, then there were gonna beat it up.
Speaker 1: I feel like I've seen this same report three other
Speaker 1: times this year, Like they know smackdowns and issue, It's
Speaker 1: like they fucking fix the issue. I don't care if
Speaker 1: ro Dog's your boy or whatever, like bringing new writers
Speaker 1: send him there next to like if you know it's
Speaker 1: an issue for this long, it's like, why is it
Speaker 1: still an issue? Like we're getting close to Mania season,
Speaker 1: like you got last year's bill was kind of men enough,
Speaker 1: like start getting that going, get it to it because
Speaker 1: like the last few times I've watched SmackDown, I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: this show is very tough. The last time I watched
Speaker 1: was something that stupid Cody and Drew Deek you finished.
Speaker 1: We didn't talk about that out now it's like because
Speaker 1: I'm not watching weekly and Esbos you told me before
Speaker 1: and then we talk about Drew. But it's just like, so,
Speaker 1: what are we gonna do Cody and Drew, whether it's
Speaker 1: the first smack down the Air or at Rumble and
Speaker 1: Cody's gonna beat him again? It's like, man like, at
Speaker 1: least with the Jane Tiffany thing, it's like their first
Speaker 1: match ends in DQ. Tiffany wins the first one, Jade
Speaker 1: wins the next one, so like technically there is a
Speaker 1: story of It's kind of like the rubber match, right that, Okay,
Speaker 1: they're both tied one. What's gonna happen with Drew? It's like,
Speaker 1: oh four, like like what's this like? And I guess
Speaker 1: the story was what last and didn't Trew get like
Speaker 1: a three counter someone? The ref was down right, they
Speaker 1: did that at CERTA makes main events. I think that's
Speaker 1: they're gonna be the story of, like, oh man, but
Speaker 1: then they also just had him geek out to fucking
Speaker 1: Drew like or Oba like and that's fine. Oba's top shit,
Speaker 1: but just like they use them in just such a
Speaker 1: like let's just make Oba look strong, Like I love McIntyre,
Speaker 1: but they've done like I have no interest in Cody
Speaker 1: and him again, other than Drew winning.
Speaker 4: That's the only way is like Drew.
Speaker 1: Has to win. But I feel like we've said that
Speaker 1: like the last two times, and he don't win. He
Speaker 1: doesn't win. He just like Cody finds a way to prevail.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know.
Speaker 5: I will say the only other good story on Smack
Speaker 5: done right now is the the Ilias stuff, because I.
Speaker 1: Want to watch that Champa match. I've heard great things
Speaker 1: about it, and I like, I used to.
Speaker 5: Say he hadn't done it much in this run, but before,
Speaker 5: like in his previous before he got Injuri used to
Speaker 5: say he would bleed in every single match, but like
Speaker 5: like like busted out, Like he wouldn't played like you
Speaker 5: get busted a hard single match.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and this one was like this.
Speaker 5: Is probably one of his most extat like it looked
Speaker 5: like he broke his nose or something because he was
Speaker 5: bleeding like crazy in this match.
Speaker 6: But the matches have been really good.
Speaker 5: They kind of they've kind of like they call it
Speaker 5: the Open Challenge but it's not really been an open
Speaker 5: challenge anymore. It's more like he's just defending the title
Speaker 5: of every week. But it's like it's not like he
Speaker 5: waits in the ring and someone random comes out. It's
Speaker 5: like they've been doing story lines with it, like, oh,
Speaker 5: this person wants a title shot, so they talked to
Speaker 5: Nick all this and Early is defending this week.
Speaker 1: But yeah, because it was it was like a I wouldn't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a weird, like for Dragon off being like
Speaker 1: I'll take on all comers and he was always like
Speaker 1: but not you. It was it was an odd story.
Speaker 1: But like, I'm excited to watch batch because I'm a
Speaker 1: big Champa fan from the the old n x T days.
Speaker 1: He was a great hel and uh yeah, i've heard
Speaker 1: nothing at things.
Speaker 5: That's cool, I'll say the story Now it seems like
Speaker 5: it might actually happen that Carmelaays wins.
Speaker 6: This this US title because really the whole thing with.
Speaker 5: Champa is last week, Ilia defended against uh Mello and
Speaker 5: Melo is like about to win and Champa like threw
Speaker 5: him off the ring post and like then but Ilia
Speaker 5: didn't cecil then he and then he was mad that
Speaker 5: like Champo like like Mellow lost like unfairly. So then
Speaker 5: he finally did the match against Champa. D I Y
Speaker 5: and Candice come out there at the end after after
Speaker 5: he beat Champa and they start beating him up.
Speaker 6: Mello comes out to the safe to like a mega
Speaker 6: pop just.
Speaker 5: And they're channing for Melow and he's like, you know,
Speaker 5: he's he takes out d I Y on his own
Speaker 5: and then you know, he helps with Ilia. So I
Speaker 5: feel like they're gonna do like him and him and
Speaker 5: Ilia against d I Y. They probably beat d I
Speaker 5: Y there, and then it seems I could see us
Speaker 5: being first SmackDown of the year of doing Ilia versus
Speaker 5: Mellow for the US title again with Melow winning.
Speaker 1: Do you think they're gonna do that? They're like baby
Speaker 1: Babyface and mel is just gonna beat them. That's my
Speaker 1: only thing is.
Speaker 5: I mean, they already did the match before a babyface babyface.
Speaker 4: But but I can't. But he didn't beat him, right,
Speaker 4: Like I know, he beats Sam and.
Speaker 5: Shampa Costam and like Ilia hit his finisher and like
Speaker 5: pinned them, and the crowd was like booing Ilia that.
Speaker 6: That Melow lost.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, And I.
Speaker 5: Think this would be their fit and they have like
Speaker 5: a like if you count their next matches, I think
Speaker 5: they'd be tied because I think it's like Mellow, Like
Speaker 5: I think Mellow retained once Ilia beat him, Ilia retained
Speaker 5: over him, then retained the US titles. Then if Mellow
Speaker 5: beats him for the US title, they'd be tied.
Speaker 1: Okay, I hope, So I hope that's happens. Just because
Speaker 1: the booking has been with him. I'm gonna say it's
Speaker 1: not gonna happen. I say they're what they're gonna do
Speaker 1: those They're gonna wait and see if the pops and
Speaker 1: stuff sustained like the caring for So what I bet
Speaker 1: is they're gonna give Mellow a great match with Elia,
Speaker 1: but he's still gonna lose. But then will We'll see
Speaker 1: because I could also see the US title. I wonder
Speaker 1: WrestleMania if that if he gets a a one on
Speaker 1: one match or if that's like a four six way
Speaker 1: type of match with Elia and stuff, and that's where
Speaker 1: it's like I could see Mellow maybe getting it, but
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, yeah, well we'll see. We're getting
Speaker 1: the Rumbles season now we're getting Do you have any
Speaker 1: draft updates spubs or have you not done that? Sure? Yeah,
Speaker 1: give us that in the old transition, aw after that
Speaker 1: because yeah, we only got two matches for olds in
Speaker 1: right now, so well three, I guess.
Speaker 6: But so David has five hundred seventy two points.
Speaker 5: Uh, Travis has eight hundred and seventy one points, and
Speaker 5: I have eight hundred and twenty seven points.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I just need Jericho not to come back,
Speaker 1: Tony Kahan. I need you to give that big contract.
Speaker 6: Yeah, all of Carlos Silva that money.
Speaker 1: Jered good exactly.
Speaker 6: But even then I feel like you show up in
Speaker 6: the road.
Speaker 1: He would Yeah, that'shy I don't want that. I want him.
Speaker 1: I want him in aw now just for this point.
Speaker 1: But uh yeah, speaking of that, like I said, we
Speaker 1: don't have much. We have what we talked about the
Speaker 1: last two episodes, which you kind of thought, and it's
Speaker 1: right now. Currently the main event I'm assuming is Joe
Speaker 1: versus Swore versus hang Man. Now the Diamond ring thing,
Speaker 1: is that happening this Wednesday or is the next Wednesday?
Speaker 6: I think this Wednesday?
Speaker 1: This Wednesday, so, and I can't remember because it's dumb rules.
Speaker 1: But MGFF doesn't have to he's also be in the
Speaker 1: Battle Royal, right, I think no, he's just defending.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think they I think what they did this
Speaker 5: year is like I believe what they said is like
Speaker 5: they have the Battle Royal to get like this shot
Speaker 5: at the ring and also for a title shot. But
Speaker 5: then I think they also mentioned something it's like, oh,
Speaker 5: we don't know where MJF is, so if he doesn't
Speaker 5: show up, then they get the ring or something like that.
Speaker 1: Okay, because yeah, there's there wasn't think the second year
Speaker 1: they did it that he was in the Battle Royal Again,
Speaker 1: it was the last two that did it. But I
Speaker 1: think they've changed that. So I guess we'll see in
Speaker 1: the coming weeks. But I'm sure mgff's coming back.
Speaker 5: I'm sure this is the thing needs to be that
Speaker 5: he needs to cash in one week in advance, like
Speaker 5: he's gonna show up to this contract signing and cash in.
Speaker 1: For a second, maybe I was delusional. I really actually
Speaker 1: enjoyed the match. For a second, I thought they were
Speaker 1: gonna have Eddie beat Joe because I thought I always
Speaker 1: thought Eddie Kingston the world type run he would get
Speaker 1: would be like a month, a couple of weeks and
Speaker 1: I thought, Man, imagine that he'll heat of Eddie winning
Speaker 1: next week, he gets his victory speech and MGFF.
Speaker 4: Just beats him for it because I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: I can see the vision.
Speaker 1: I can see like why they want to do this.
Speaker 1: I still don't see the vision of this match of
Speaker 1: Joe Swerven Hangman and MGFF. Don't get wrong, I think
Speaker 1: the actual match will be good. I just don't. I
Speaker 1: guess I don't see the vision of MGF wins. You know,
Speaker 1: if he loses, then we'll talk about. But if he wins,
Speaker 1: I always say, Okay, well you just should have kept
Speaker 1: it on Hangman for that time. It would you could
Speaker 1: still do the same storyline and him versus different ops
Speaker 1: people everything like that. Obviously we'll see what happens there,
Speaker 1: but yeah, we'll shoe well.
Speaker 5: I've been meaning about like MGF just winning it right away,
Speaker 5: but I feel like he'll lose here, but with the
Speaker 5: diamond ring gimmick, he'll get another title shot.
Speaker 1: I kind of love, I kind of love like I
Speaker 1: want this. It's not the same way because they did
Speaker 1: the whole week thing. I've always wanted this to happen.
Speaker 1: I think I've pitched this before where I want a
Speaker 1: money in the bank winner to get a Number one
Speaker 1: Contenders match, have the match and it go super close
Speaker 1: and they lose it, but then they attack the person
Speaker 1: after the match in cashing right there. I've always wanted that,
Speaker 1: and I wish they could have done that with the
Speaker 1: cash and where let's say he wins the diamond ring thing,
Speaker 1: he gets the shot, he loses the Joe or in
Speaker 1: the four way, but then after cheats the way to
Speaker 1: do it. No one's done the I'm waiting for someone
Speaker 1: they're going to do in like.
Speaker 6: The for viden door match, because that was before they
Speaker 6: changed the rules.
Speaker 5: Like, yeah, I thought Vin was gonna beat him and
Speaker 5: then like the heel he would have been like he
Speaker 5: cashed in right away.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because that to me is like a great way
Speaker 1: of like or even if imagine you get the Network
Speaker 1: Contenders match and you just start that match off for
Speaker 1: like a low blow. You just beat the shit out
Speaker 1: of the guy, and then you cash and right after
Speaker 1: like such a good Healy way of like, oh, I
Speaker 1: was never gonna wrestle that match. I was just gonna
Speaker 1: use it to like take advantage and take you out.
Speaker 1: But uh, Dave, what do you think's happening here at
Speaker 1: again MGF not confirmed, but that looks to be the
Speaker 1: thing at Worlds and the swoarway.
Speaker 4: Is MGF just taking it?
Speaker 6: Is it?
Speaker 4: Is there a Swerve in there?
Speaker 3: I think MJF comes back, but I'm not sure if
Speaker 3: MJF takes it. I think that this could be a
Speaker 3: chance that you could put the title back on Swerve
Speaker 3: for a bit, because I mean he was he was
Speaker 3: rocking and rolling for a while before injuries started to
Speaker 3: derail him. And I know how much TK absolutely loves him,
Speaker 3: so this could be a chance to put it back
Speaker 3: on him.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's one of those like the people talk
Speaker 1: about like fed soldiers, like he's a dub soldier.
Speaker 4: He because if.
Speaker 1: People don't remember him. Adam Cole Weord the two people
Speaker 1: that supposedly WW tried to like contract town for with
Speaker 1: and they both went to Tony or like, hey, what's
Speaker 1: going on? And I guarantee there's some people that didn't
Speaker 1: go to Tony and were like just kept it quiet,
Speaker 1: But Swerve was one of those people that went like, hey,
Speaker 1: they're trying to like.
Speaker 4: Get me out of this contract right now.
Speaker 1: And obviously Swerve signed that Big five year deal two, right,
Speaker 1: so like he's a guy like more than MGF. You know,
Speaker 1: it swears around. I wouldn't mind it because like they
Speaker 1: still have not done the swerve MGF like full storyline.
Speaker 1: I think there's lots of meat on that bone. With
Speaker 1: those two, it's just a question. And I think also
Speaker 1: for them, it's kind of like what we've talked about
Speaker 1: with Seth and everything. I think with their next six
Speaker 1: to eight months plans, it's all about like what's happening
Speaker 1: with Ospray, right, because if he is good to go
Speaker 1: for all in, then like clearly that's the plan, right,
Speaker 1: it's probably MGF versus Ospray. He'll babyface Osprey gets a
Speaker 1: big win. But if he's not cleared, that completely changes
Speaker 1: to me what allin would be, especially they're back in London,
Speaker 1: so it's like I don't know what the plan could be,
Speaker 1: and they probably know better about oustbrey condition than us clearly,
Speaker 1: so yeah, we'll have to see. And then on the.
Speaker 6: Women's because I think he had like next surgery, right,
Speaker 6: so that's like you never know how long that could take.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a bigger one too, So and then
Speaker 1: on the women's side, right now, I kind of missed
Speaker 1: this match was confirmed. I've not watched Collision, but this
Speaker 1: is the juice. This is Chris Statler versus Jamie Hayter.
Speaker 1: I did pitch just a couple episodes ago. I pitched
Speaker 1: it though, Hater turning on Statlander.
Speaker 5: So I still see the female hangman versus a joke
Speaker 5: where they do a few.
Speaker 6: Of these with yes turning.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what I think is gonna happen, because I
Speaker 1: don't know because if Stantleinder, I guess there are doing
Speaker 1: like I guess you could do Statlander beats and they
Speaker 1: just do another babyface for stat Lander.
Speaker 4: But I do think you could do, and I think
Speaker 4: that's happened.
Speaker 1: Statlander's gonna win Hater turns on, whether it's the show
Speaker 1: after or right after the match. I think Hater as
Speaker 1: a heel probably should go down too, because if people
Speaker 1: forget like that's how she started get over the crowd,
Speaker 1: is her being a heel, and then they just flipped
Speaker 1: her because it's like, well, people just enjoy her, right,
Speaker 1: So I just think I Haters a baby face has
Speaker 1: just been kind of flowing around. I think there's too
Speaker 1: many like eccentric characters right now with Mina and Tony
Speaker 1: and Chris and Willow, which we'll talk about. So I'm
Speaker 1: kind of hoping or I just would like the Jamie
Speaker 1: cheats to win and that's how you get the heel turned,
Speaker 1: because I'd love her to get some juice. But I
Speaker 1: think this match is gonna be really, really good. But
Speaker 1: I see Statlander winning it because I feel like Tony's
Speaker 1: been talking about stat Landers like a pillar for a
Speaker 1: w lately of just anytime they're just like, who do
Speaker 1: you see lead in the future. He's like, oh, Chris Statland.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, that doesn't count. She's like she's the present.
Speaker 1: Like I hate when he answers last time, soone asks
Speaker 1: like who do you see is the future of that?
Speaker 1: He's like, well, I think it's like Ousbrey Swerve and uh,
Speaker 1: Chris Statlander. It's like, all right, cool, like Ausbrey, who's
Speaker 1: gonna You're gonna, you know, give the crown to which
Speaker 1: I get that's fine, but like stant Lander's already the champ,
Speaker 1: Like I guess you call it the future. But like
Speaker 1: I think people when they ask that question kind of
Speaker 1: asking like, hey, who's wrestling in the dark match on collision?
Speaker 4: Do you think could be the future.
Speaker 1: But he always just goes with the Peel the Top
Speaker 1: people right now, so which they are apparently bringing back
Speaker 1: after Dark for a Dark for one night only, so
Speaker 1: good job.
Speaker 6: For the car there, And it's just like very it's
Speaker 6: just like one one pretty top star.
Speaker 1: I guess, just like that's all that Dark ever was Dark,
Speaker 1: would always dark, would randomly have like one good like
Speaker 1: top match, and I guess people like that. I guess
Speaker 1: because they did. Like there is stuff where like they
Speaker 1: had a match where it's like Harley Cameron versus Will
Speaker 1: and I and get like on Dark like three years
Speaker 1: ago when Harley was nothing right because the people have
Speaker 1: shown that so like it is like a fun origin story.
Speaker 1: But that's where it's like I don't have.
Speaker 5: Tea, Like there's so many people that you can find,
Speaker 5: like their their aw Dark debut. There's a bunch of
Speaker 5: nic people who wrestle like one match on Dark and stuff.
Speaker 5: I think the big draw for for this Dark like
Speaker 5: is like I think it's like all the male Death
Speaker 5: Riders against a bunch of like UK indie guys.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, of course, yeah that'll be fun for that crowd.
Speaker 1: But David, how do you see uh stanlerd and Hater going.
Speaker 3: I think uh Stettlander wins, but it's going to be
Speaker 3: the continued slow devolving of her and Hater, and eventually
Speaker 3: you're going to get it going from friendly robbery tell
Speaker 3: all that warfare. Yeah, that's that's going to be the big,
Speaker 3: the big battle.
Speaker 4: For a while.
Speaker 1: I'm down because I also think for me, Hater works
Speaker 1: just very well as a heel. So we'll see that happens.
Speaker 1: And then honestly, we got semi final number one number
Speaker 1: two for the the way they put this, semi final
Speaker 1: number one winner versus semi final number two winner, and
Speaker 1: that's Gold league winner.
Speaker 4: Versus Blue league. Oh so we're getting three.
Speaker 1: I see what it is. Okay, so this is right.
Speaker 1: They're doing the three matches again, two semi finals and
Speaker 1: then the finals.
Speaker 4: Dave, what have you thought.
Speaker 1: About the C two. I think I've of the matches
Speaker 1: that have happened, I think I've watched seventy five percent.
Speaker 1: I've not seen the latest collision, which was also yesterday.
Speaker 1: I've seen about seventy five percent of those. Do you
Speaker 1: think about do you got any standouts right now or anything.
Speaker 3: I've been loving what they've been doing. With Claudio in there.
Speaker 3: But you can't discount Takesha at anytime. I know how
Speaker 3: much they love Takeshta, and so this would be a
Speaker 3: good time to build up him, continue to build up Okada.
Speaker 3: But man, I've been loving this shime that they've been
Speaker 3: given to Claudio.
Speaker 1: M Yeah. I think for me, Claudio, that's been good stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm interested to see what happens after the fact. I
Speaker 1: had I think my favorite, because I have a ranking
Speaker 1: on drop Kick, I think my favorite was the I
Speaker 1: think it might have been the Okada Fletcher match up
Speaker 1: until this week. Mike Bailey and Fletcher had a phenomenal matchup.
Speaker 1: It was crazy good and that's what I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: is the person that also.
Speaker 4: I love that they gave Night that Darby wind.
Speaker 1: That's what's needed. It sucks crazy we didn't talk about
Speaker 1: was on the air yet crazy that all the shit
Speaker 1: Derby does and just a Coast to Coast taking him out.
Speaker 1: Like I said in the discord, that seth we maybe
Speaker 1: got a banned the Coast to Coast where two top
Speaker 1: stars are going out, just have Shane do it. But uh,
Speaker 1: that was big and I like.
Speaker 5: The Coast to Coast where it looks cool, but he
Speaker 5: doesn't touch anyone exactly.
Speaker 1: That's what you need, right, And I can't remember what
Speaker 1: was the other right when Fletcher got that win, but yeah,
Speaker 1: they gave Bailey the win over Fletcher here and that's
Speaker 1: where night they're giving the showcase, I think with some
Speaker 1: of the bigger moments matches. But Bailey he had a match.
Speaker 1: I think his first round match was against pak which
Speaker 1: was great because the last two minutes of the match
Speaker 1: or maybe three, i'll say, the to the finish. Actually
Speaker 1: it was just about who could kick each other hard enough,
Speaker 1: and they did this thing where they're kicking each other,
Speaker 1: and then they were both in the ring and they
Speaker 1: both decided to back up and they want they bounced
Speaker 1: on the ropes and they did like whatever. Drew's like,
Speaker 1: what's his finish again? They claim, well, yeah, they did
Speaker 1: like that. And they were both down and out and
Speaker 1: they're down the rest checking on and everything like that,
Speaker 1: and they were all outside the ring and they both
Speaker 1: see each other from across the ring on the other side,
Speaker 1: and they decided to run around the ring and du
Speaker 1: it again on the outside. It was just great. It
Speaker 1: just is like, okay, let's see who could kick each
Speaker 1: other more. It was just such a just I love
Speaker 1: when matches and side like this is gonna.
Speaker 4: Be our gimmick.
Speaker 1: We're gonna we're gonna make it that we're using the
Speaker 1: same move who can do better? And pok up the
Speaker 1: wind parks look good too. But Bailey is like and
Speaker 1: I've like, I like Bailey, but I haven't seen much
Speaker 1: of his teenage stuff. I've just heard about him a lot,
Speaker 1: and I liked that triple threat he did with Omega
Speaker 1: and Ricochet, But like, I think his running a he's
Speaker 1: been good, you know, but this tournament I think is
Speaker 1: really doing some stuff from butt him and Fletcher. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was like a work Ray main event level like
Speaker 1: type of pay per view match.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 1: It was outstanding, And so for me, I think Bailey
Speaker 1: is like he he might be coming out of this
Speaker 1: tournament the wrestling star, but I know he is a
Speaker 1: good wrestler. But he's been on some really good stuff.
Speaker 6: I don't know, but Bailey. Also, they did Bailey Versus
Speaker 6: kind of a Night.
Speaker 4: Yes last night, right, Bailey? Really, I'm so.
Speaker 1: I guess that's probably why they gave a Night that
Speaker 1: big Derby win because Night one lost to Fletcher, which
Speaker 1: was a good match, and then he lost to uh
Speaker 1: or No, did he not lose the Fletcher?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I gotta I'm behind because on my
Speaker 1: seat two I thought he did. Yeah, like I said,
Speaker 1: I'm my dropping. I'm trying to have them ranks. And
Speaker 1: then at the end of the second remember it. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's gonna be interesting. I still think it's gonna
Speaker 1: be Takesha and Okada oh Man and Takesha had another
Speaker 1: good one too. Shit it was it was on the
Speaker 1: second whatever. His second match was heat a really good one.
Speaker 1: But yeah, they're they're having some Oh it was him
Speaker 1: and Roddy, Him and Roddy, because Roddy, I think is
Speaker 1: gonna be the guy gets no wins this tournament. There's
Speaker 1: always one. I think that one year was Jay Leefall.
Speaker 1: I think Roddy because I think we all know that
Speaker 1: was supposed to be Kyle Straw or Kyle Riley probably,
Speaker 1: But Roddy and Takesha had this really good match as
Speaker 1: well too, of just just kind of like they're not
Speaker 1: powerhouses but like low Ki, like Roddy's pretty built and
Speaker 1: Takesha is just a big guy. So no, there's been
Speaker 1: some good ones, and I like that there's a lot
Speaker 1: of like that Fletcher, I thought, oh, they can name
Speaker 1: one defeated he loses.
Speaker 4: To Bailey randomly.
Speaker 1: I think they've it is one of the better years
Speaker 1: of the finishes, aren't right now? One hundred percent of
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen, you know? And actually too. Another good
Speaker 1: one was a pack in Okada because they wrestled it
Speaker 1: in a purely heel versus heel typeway, similarly me as
Speaker 1: Fletcher and Okada.
Speaker 4: Then a moment where Ocada.
Speaker 1: Was gonna do so or Fletcher was on the top rope,
Speaker 1: o'cada was down and he pushed the reft in the ropes,
Speaker 1: and then five minutes later Fletcher did the same thing
Speaker 1: of copying him. So I've liked a lot of the
Speaker 1: heel versus heel matches because I think that they are
Speaker 1: I like when they try to outchee each other. But okay,
Speaker 1: so if we got to pick the four, who do
Speaker 1: we think the four? Because I I think it's Fletcher, Ocada,
Speaker 1: and Taqushta and I don't know who the fourth one's
Speaker 1: gonna be. The get semifinals for World's End. That's where
Speaker 1: I'm I'm tough on. I feel like it has to
Speaker 1: be like another baby face if it's those three. But
Speaker 1: unless you guys think it's somebody else, That's why I'm
Speaker 1: throwing it out there. Who do you guys think will
Speaker 1: be the top four when we get to world's end?
Speaker 2: No, I'm the same as you.
Speaker 1: So who's your fourth though? Because I don't have a
Speaker 1: fourth dead I'm I'm I'm screwed.
Speaker 5: I mean, was like one, either Mox or Claudio would
Speaker 5: make it to the right if you wanted to.
Speaker 1: It's already starting. It's already you can feel that vibe. Ready,
Speaker 1: I'm ready. You know, sixteen times AW world champion. Let's go.
Speaker 1: You know, like, what what a what a story from
Speaker 1: Ox in twenty twenty five, you know, to be the
Speaker 1: most hated man to like now crowds pop and form
Speaker 1: everything like that, and people think he's killing TV. But
Speaker 1: because that would be yeah, if you have a caught
Speaker 1: up Takesha, Fletcher, and Mosley, technically that is all four heels, right,
Speaker 1: which right, I guess this isn't for a title, so
Speaker 1: doesn't he like it? It's for ATILE, it's not for MG,
Speaker 1: It's not I meant for like fight mgf right, like
Speaker 1: if he's a champion, so right, it is right.
Speaker 6: Sure your own like they're in your own university.
Speaker 1: It is yeah, okay, so okay Mosley.
Speaker 3: See I have Claudiokeshta, Fletcher Ocata.
Speaker 4: Okay, who gouda pick just to be different.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna you can. I think that's where I'm gonna go.
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna make Bailey the underdog because what
Speaker 1: is it. It's gold league winner versus Blue league winners.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think who he could verse.
Speaker 5: I mean, I feel like, unless you do the gimmick
Speaker 5: of Okada finally just like loses the title, my not
Speaker 5: making the finals.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I if they do that, you're gonna I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna do a full ramp, but like, I'll definitely bitch
Speaker 1: him on a bit on the next episode of of
Speaker 1: the Gimmick because like, to me, she's like, have him
Speaker 1: lose it, don't do Like I still think the finals
Speaker 1: should just be Okada Takesha. Takesha gets the big victory
Speaker 1: and then he beats the big tournament winner guy. But
Speaker 1: I'm trying to find I can find every fucking year,
Speaker 1: but this year Google Images is just.
Speaker 6: Screwing me over, are you looking just for like all
Speaker 6: the people in it?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, so in fact, because I'm just trying to find out,
Speaker 1: like what the finals, so if Bailey, because if Bailey
Speaker 1: were to get there, so it I have been Mockster Takeshta.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to see what would be the better
Speaker 1: prepairing for the two of them. I feel like if
Speaker 1: it's Ocada Mocksley, that's dangerous. I don't know what time
Speaker 1: match I will say, Okada has been Actually he's not
Speaker 1: been sleep in this tournament. He's actually put in the work.
Speaker 1: It's like when it's a tournament, he locks back into
Speaker 1: New Japan side. It's like, oh, it's a tournament, you'd
Speaker 1: tell me, but.
Speaker 2: Like tournament mode activated.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just trying to think who would be better
Speaker 1: because you can't do Ocado. So yeah, honestly, if it
Speaker 1: was the finals, you'd probably if it got to those ones,
Speaker 1: you'd have to do Ocada and probably Moxley and then
Speaker 1: takesht and Bailey and then because I think to Keshan,
Speaker 1: Bailey would be tons of fun and then make.
Speaker 5: Sense especially since their friend, like they're the ones that
Speaker 5: are like friends in the don Kyles family.
Speaker 4: For some like yeah, right, I guess you and that's
Speaker 4: what you could do.
Speaker 1: Also, right, you could do and Fletcher, Yeah, it's tough
Speaker 1: for me, Like I'm being like, I'm trying to be
Speaker 1: Devil's advocate, but I do really think it's just to
Speaker 1: Kesha Moxley or Claudia. I guess, yeah, it's that's what
Speaker 1: I like. There's I think we just know Daqushada. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we just know Toketcha Cato at least are
Speaker 1: to those slots. Yeah, I think those are locked, so
Speaker 1: we'll have to see what happens there. But yeah, even Deronto,
Speaker 1: like they gave him a win, you know, like he
Speaker 1: beat Claudia and that that's why I like is Claudio
Speaker 1: gets big wins, right, they make him beat Darby, they
Speaker 1: make them beat Boxley, and then he loses to the
Speaker 1: guy that's easily ranked last as term as far as importance.
Speaker 1: But that's why it doesn't hurt Claudio because like, well,
Speaker 1: he'll just beat two main inventors.
Speaker 4: And he can lose to them.
Speaker 5: Makes sense to since since just for the like CMLL
Speaker 5: guy beat the guy with the with the title, since yeah,
Speaker 5: and you can match on I'm pretty sure they announced
Speaker 5: it for like a CMLL show, like Claude perfect the
Speaker 5: title and.
Speaker 1: Then if Claudia wins, he gets his win back there. Right,
Speaker 1: But again, like why isn't Claudia walking out with that title?
Speaker 1: Bugs me a bunch. I at least saw one show
Speaker 1: he didn't.
Speaker 4: There's one.
Speaker 1: I think the match with Moxley. He didn't, and it
Speaker 1: bugged me same way as.
Speaker 6: Like Joe definitely seen a clip of him focus.
Speaker 1: Maybe once, just the same way as when Joe walked
Speaker 1: out first time match no trio's title insight he had
Speaker 1: the next time.
Speaker 4: But it's like these titles.
Speaker 6: But uh, I can read you guys the card for
Speaker 6: this week's Dynamite.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, what is it?
Speaker 6: And it's a it's a three hour special as.
Speaker 5: Well, because that's always there now with the every time
Speaker 5: it's before a pay per view, since they don't have Collision,
Speaker 5: they add the extra.
Speaker 6: Hour to uh to Dynamite.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 6: There's a Connell classic match you have Fletcher versus pac Oh.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be that's gonna be good because Pawk I
Speaker 1: like the work he's doing. Okay, that's gonna be a
Speaker 1: good one.
Speaker 5: The another classic match you have Dorada versus Orange Cassidy.
Speaker 3: Hmm.
Speaker 1: That's a that's an interesting baby face babyface match right there.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be I'm not saying it's gonna be bad.
Speaker 1: I just have to see how that that looks in
Speaker 1: my mind.
Speaker 4: It's a weird parent but okay.
Speaker 6: Then another classic match you have Moxley versus Roddy Strong.
Speaker 4: Oh, all good, we get to run back one of
Speaker 4: my fair bits.
Speaker 1: I guess it happened this year is when they did
Speaker 1: the Big Tag Team and Rod Marina came face to
Speaker 1: face and I wonder, yeah, I wonder if they're gonna
Speaker 1: play that back.
Speaker 5: And Marina has another match on this show, so they
Speaker 5: could say she's not Yeah, and conall classic.
Speaker 6: If I think if you have someone at ringside you'll
Speaker 6: get like banned, Yeah, so good reason, I fired. I think.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, if she's out there this time,
Speaker 1: I actually could see Roddy again the win. But you're right,
Speaker 1: she won't be there, so that's a good reason. So okay,
Speaker 1: but that'll be fun.
Speaker 5: Then you have a seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars
Speaker 5: seven hundred and fifty thousand euro aka one million dollar
Speaker 5: winner take all match between the Elite and the donk
Speaker 5: House family and it's a winner take all match because
Speaker 5: this is the money that the Elite won, but the
Speaker 5: donk House family stole it.
Speaker 6: So now this is the match to win the same
Speaker 6: money they already won. Now I need to win it back.
Speaker 4: Bid I hate the money.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't hate the many matches I hate,
Speaker 1: like we're talking about the spamming of them. But on
Speaker 1: that team though, it is Takesha and o'caa, right.
Speaker 6: It's Takeshta Okada and hetches Sero.
Speaker 4: Yeah, which is gets Kenny in the Bucks.
Speaker 1: I like all that because you got o'cada that OSSI
Speaker 1: has history with Bucks and Kenny, so we play on that.
Speaker 4: You got to catch you Ocada together.
Speaker 1: So absolutely absolutely he's there. But yeah, I like I
Speaker 1: like that pairing, so that that that should be interesting
Speaker 1: to see what o'conda do.
Speaker 3: Is there.
Speaker 6: So then you have an eight woman tag team match
Speaker 6: of Class.
Speaker 1: Special.
Speaker 4: You got three hours.
Speaker 1: What are you gonna do with all the top women?
Speaker 1: Put them in the same match for ten minutes?
Speaker 5: Go So you have Mercedes, Athena, Marina and Meghan Vaine
Speaker 5: versus the Babes of Wrath and the timeless love bombs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which we can stop to about there.
Speaker 4: I was.
Speaker 1: I was very happy that they gave Harley and Willow
Speaker 1: to win because I did like, Tony doesn't need like
Speaker 1: a first ever. She's established. But I still didn't think
Speaker 1: it was gonna poltry. I think we have Molple episodes
Speaker 1: said like, oh, this is just no matter what, Willow
Speaker 1: and Harley are losing, and they got it. The match
Speaker 1: was like, it was fun up until the I can't
Speaker 1: remember what the sequence was. It was Harley with somebody,
Speaker 1: I think it was with Mina, and they had like
Speaker 1: two to three like not botches, but just miscues in
Speaker 1: a row, and it just like the momentum just.
Speaker 4: Halted, and it sucked that.
Speaker 1: I wish they kind of like obviously on TVs they
Speaker 1: actually can't do that, but it just sucked that way
Speaker 1: because they had like a good thing going and it
Speaker 1: just kind of took a turn.
Speaker 4: But yeah, that's that's fun.
Speaker 1: I guess. There were reports that Tony's like looking for
Speaker 1: more women because he wants to put the tag team
Speaker 1: secret like the.
Speaker 4: League like whatever the division up there.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's like I have a
Speaker 1: hard time believe that when you're just doing the eight
Speaker 1: women tags and stuff. So I hope that happens, but
Speaker 1: I'm happy they have to win.
Speaker 5: I don't really know what Mercedes is doing next, because
Speaker 5: what I thought they were gonna do is like like
Speaker 5: Willow and Harley were gonna win, and then you finally
Speaker 5: do like Willow.
Speaker 6: And Mercedes, and that's how you continue a storyline.
Speaker 5: Well, then I don't really know what Mercedes is doing
Speaker 5: unless you just get like the classic Mercedes of she gets.
Speaker 6: A random challenger like one week before the show, and
Speaker 6: that's her.
Speaker 2: Probably.
Speaker 1: I was surprised on the show last night for rep
Speaker 1: Pro apparently she retained that title.
Speaker 5: I thought she was going to lose they start they
Speaker 5: apparently on the show they like to make people think
Speaker 5: she was She put like all her British titles on
Speaker 5: the line, like right before the match, and then she
Speaker 5: still retained, so they would have been for like four titles.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that kind of spoils it then, So they were
Speaker 1: surprised by Willow and Harley getting the win there first
Speaker 1: ever aw Women Tag team champions.
Speaker 3: I thought that they would go with the timeless love bombs,
Speaker 3: but I'm I'm happily surprised that they went with Willow.
Speaker 2: I think she deserves it. I really like Willow.
Speaker 3: I know TK really liked Swallow. So having them go
Speaker 3: for a nice little run for a while with that
Speaker 3: before turning it over to somebody else will be just
Speaker 3: fun for them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what else is left there?
Speaker 6: Okay?
Speaker 5: Then you have for the aw world tag teach Imian Chiefs.
Speaker 5: You have f t R versus the Bang Pang Gang.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is like a clobbled what it's like, Juice
Speaker 1: and one of the guns.
Speaker 6: Right, Juice and yeah, Juice and one of the guests.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because because that's the whole thing, Like I forget,
Speaker 5: which I think Austin Gunn is the one who got injured.
Speaker 6: They got injured return match like right away?
Speaker 4: Yeah right, damn that sucks.
Speaker 5: And then you have the Diamond Ring Battle Royal and
Speaker 5: then the contract signing, and I assume they'll probly be
Speaker 5: one or two more matches on the show.
Speaker 1: I wonder the contract signing. I feel like that's where
Speaker 1: we get MGF music, right, yeah, event that's the return.
Speaker 6: They all will be the main event. It'll be like
Speaker 6: the Dynamite Man.
Speaker 1: It'll be the Yeah, it'll be the main event of Dynamite. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that the top coup.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it'll be the all sign yeah yeah, and then.
Speaker 5: Maybe I feel like I feel like, oh you know what,
Speaker 5: that will be the main event of Dynamite, and then
Speaker 5: they'll do like the diamond.
Speaker 6: Ring maybe on like the collision part of the show. Yeah,
Speaker 6: let's just like and keep people watching. Whats not like
Speaker 6: as important as the other matches.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Plus Mjf's there, so it's like, okay, he'll he'll defend
Speaker 5: it against whoever wins this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he'd be watching from afar on commentary or something.
Speaker 1: So yeah, we'll see, we'll talk about that in the future.
Speaker 1: And then yeah, like I said, we will decide when
Speaker 1: the next show is because obviously the twenty seventh is that,
Speaker 1: but we'll wait till closer because the holiday, so show
Speaker 1: will be, like I said, either last week December or
Speaker 1: first week of January, and then probably the show after that,
Speaker 1: we'll do our kind of year in awards. We'll everything
Speaker 1: go out and then we'll do our year in awards,
Speaker 1: and then we'll by the time then be doing Rumble
Speaker 1: predictions and we're back in the many season already. Boys,
Speaker 1: It's like it's not even that far away. It's a
Speaker 1: couple months and we're already back there, and then we're
Speaker 1: gonna be doing our draft shake up and then we're
Speaker 1: gonna be redrafting.
Speaker 4: So yeah, the next few months we'll be busy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, maybe twenty six GM.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm very curious to see. Yeah, I'm curious see
Speaker 1: what changes they do or if they don't. I have
Speaker 1: a theory that they might not do too many changes
Speaker 1: because they beached up. Suret the online, but I feel like.
Speaker 5: We're probably just gonna get like, well, my thing has been,
Speaker 5: we're probably getting like Triple A and all the brands
Speaker 5: and stuff like that. It's like, I mean, because that's
Speaker 5: like it's not like TNA where it's apparntship like they
Speaker 5: literally own Triple as true, like they have c W.
Speaker 6: And w c W and they're like, I feel like
Speaker 6: you're gonna get Triple A as like a brand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, jam No, that's true. Yeah, you get fucking iguana
Speaker 1: in there everything like that. So yeah, so yeah, lots
Speaker 1: of stuff is gonna be happening. We're not gonna have
Speaker 1: a lack of content. So yeah, we'll be back at
Speaker 1: some point, uh in that timeline, and I promise you
Speaker 1: it'll not be boring. Thanks for listening, but