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True Murder with 61 00:02:37.280 --> 00:02:40.680 your host journalist and author Dan Zupanski. 62 00:02:50.080 --> 00:02:53.560 Good Evening. The officer responding to a nine to one 63 00:02:53.719 --> 00:02:57.560 one call at one of Houston's hippiest high rises expected 64 00:02:57.560 --> 00:03:02.280 the worst. After all, domestic violent situations can be unpredictable, 65 00:03:03.039 --> 00:03:06.240 but nothing could have prepared him for what he found. 66 00:03:06.479 --> 00:03:09.719 A beautiful woman drenched in blood, an older man lying 67 00:03:09.759 --> 00:03:13.639 dead on the floor, and a cobalt blue swayed stiletto 68 00:03:13.919 --> 00:03:16.479 with tufts of white hair stuck to its five and 69 00:03:16.479 --> 00:03:21.919 a half inch heel. With her stunning looks, magnetic personality 70 00:03:21.960 --> 00:03:26.439 and erratic behavior, Anna Trigillo had a notorious reputation on 71 00:03:26.520 --> 00:03:30.680 the downtown Houston scene. He spoke often of occult powers, 72 00:03:31.039 --> 00:03:35.159 though few knew how deeply she believed such boasts. Stephan 73 00:03:35.240 --> 00:03:38.639 Anderson was a gentle soul, a sweetish transplant with a 74 00:03:38.639 --> 00:03:41.960 good career and trusted friends who was desperate to find 75 00:03:42.000 --> 00:03:46.439 someone special. Theirs is a story of obsession, madness, and 76 00:03:46.479 --> 00:03:51.560 tragedy because once Stefan fell hard, head over heels for Anna, 77 00:03:51.960 --> 00:03:54.639 he was under her control and he didn't have a 78 00:03:54.759 --> 00:03:57.719 chance in hell. The book they were featuring this seven 79 00:03:57.879 --> 00:04:02.039 is Possessed, the infamous text Stiletto Murder. With my special guest, 80 00:04:02.120 --> 00:04:05.919 journalist and author Katherine Casey. Welcome back to the program, 81 00:04:06.080 --> 00:04:08.280 and thank you very much for agreeing to this interview. 82 00:04:09.159 --> 00:04:11.759 Catherine Casey, thank. 83 00:04:11.560 --> 00:04:13.479 You for inviting me. Dan happy to be here. 84 00:04:14.560 --> 00:04:18.600 Thank you very much. You've uncovered another wild, wild tale. 85 00:04:18.800 --> 00:04:24.360 I'm sure the audience will appreciate this incredible story and 86 00:04:24.600 --> 00:04:29.079 a very very colorful killer to say the least. Now, 87 00:04:29.720 --> 00:04:33.600 what brought you to write about this case in particular? 88 00:04:33.680 --> 00:04:37.120 How did you come to be this story to be 89 00:04:37.160 --> 00:04:39.399 important to you and to write Possessed? Tell us a 90 00:04:39.439 --> 00:04:40.199 little bit about that. 91 00:04:41.120 --> 00:04:43.600 Well, you know, I covered Texas quite a bit and 92 00:04:43.680 --> 00:04:46.560 this is in my hometown. It's in Houston, and I 93 00:04:46.680 --> 00:04:49.519 was actually in London when the story broke, but it 94 00:04:49.639 --> 00:04:54.319 was all over the international media. The BBC latched onto it. 95 00:04:54.319 --> 00:04:57.240 It's just such a bizarre tale. I mean, it's something 96 00:04:57.279 --> 00:05:00.680 we see in movies, you know, a man being beaten 97 00:05:00.720 --> 00:05:04.199 to death by a woman with stiletto heel, but not 98 00:05:04.240 --> 00:05:09.040 in real life. Stiletto's are kind of like the ultimate 99 00:05:09.120 --> 00:05:14.399 symbol of female sexuality. So it just seems such an 100 00:05:14.399 --> 00:05:17.360 odd thing to have happened. And I was attracted by 101 00:05:17.480 --> 00:05:22.839 the story of the victim. He was a brilliant man, 102 00:05:23.240 --> 00:05:27.680 a scientist, and he seemed a very unlikely person who've 103 00:05:27.680 --> 00:05:28.879 gotten into this situation. 104 00:05:31.839 --> 00:05:36.199 Now, let's talk about this character, Stefan Anderson. You say 105 00:05:36.240 --> 00:05:40.639 he was born in Vostoris, a city of one hundred 106 00:05:40.639 --> 00:05:43.600 and ten thousand in Sweden, and Sweden being a small 107 00:05:43.639 --> 00:05:47.160 country of about ten million. Tell us a little bit 108 00:05:47.199 --> 00:05:49.920 about Now you talk about his parents, Irene and Harry, 109 00:05:50.360 --> 00:05:53.639 and his siblings Marie and Ellie. Tell us a little 110 00:05:53.680 --> 00:05:56.600 bit about Stefan Anderson and the environment that he grew 111 00:05:56.680 --> 00:05:59.600 up in with his parents in Sweden, before we talk 112 00:05:59.639 --> 00:06:04.360 about his big transition to America and everything that happened 113 00:06:04.360 --> 00:06:04.959 as a result. 114 00:06:06.079 --> 00:06:09.920 Well, actually, Stefan was imprinted as a boy. He grew 115 00:06:10.000 --> 00:06:14.879 up in a household where there was domestic violence. He 116 00:06:15.000 --> 00:06:18.839 often talked to his friends about his parents and talked 117 00:06:18.839 --> 00:06:22.519 about feeling just unable to protect his mother when his 118 00:06:22.560 --> 00:06:25.959 father would get angry, and about the effect that it 119 00:06:26.040 --> 00:06:31.000 had on him. So he grew up not wanting to 120 00:06:31.040 --> 00:06:34.560 not be his father. It was very important to him 121 00:06:34.560 --> 00:06:37.639 that he wasn't that man, and he always talked about 122 00:06:37.639 --> 00:06:40.000 how he would never be able to hit a woman. 123 00:06:43.639 --> 00:06:49.519 Now this right away, he's recognized as a very bright child. 124 00:06:49.639 --> 00:06:52.160 And tell us what you say that his father worked 125 00:06:52.160 --> 00:07:00.680 for the railroad, but Stefan experienced this bullying in his childhood. 126 00:07:00.759 --> 00:07:03.240 So tell us a little bit more about his experience 127 00:07:03.279 --> 00:07:07.040 with his father and that relationship and what Stefan came 128 00:07:07.120 --> 00:07:10.399 to remember as terms of his behavior from his father. 129 00:07:11.720 --> 00:07:17.040 Well, Steffan was awfully disappointed at times that his father 130 00:07:17.959 --> 00:07:20.639 wasn't proud of him. It was kind of a recurring 131 00:07:21.439 --> 00:07:26.240 theme throughout Stefan's life. Steffan was, as you mentioned, very 132 00:07:26.360 --> 00:07:30.160 very bright, and as a young man he was recognized 133 00:07:30.199 --> 00:07:35.920 as so by his teachers and then by others, and 134 00:07:36.360 --> 00:07:40.079 he did things. He actually developed a camouflage pattern and 135 00:07:40.160 --> 00:07:46.480 set it in to the Swedish Army and suggested that 136 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:49.079 it could be a good one, and a high ranking 137 00:07:49.120 --> 00:07:54.360 officer wrote back and was very laudatory about how wonderful 138 00:07:54.399 --> 00:07:56.920 this was, and you know what a wonderful young man 139 00:07:56.920 --> 00:07:59.199 he was. And when he showed it to his father, 140 00:07:59.319 --> 00:08:03.519 his father was angry that he had gotten attention. His 141 00:08:03.680 --> 00:08:07.480 parents wanted him to just blend in and to live 142 00:08:07.519 --> 00:08:10.199 as they lived. They were quite upset when he went 143 00:08:10.240 --> 00:08:14.879 to the university. Or not his mother, but his father was. 144 00:08:16.240 --> 00:08:19.519 It wasn't something that they saw for him. They thought 145 00:08:19.519 --> 00:08:23.040 that he was supposed to live the life that his 146 00:08:23.120 --> 00:08:24.959 dad thought that he was supposed to live the life 147 00:08:24.959 --> 00:08:25.759 that he had lived. 148 00:08:28.720 --> 00:08:33.360 Now, also, what you talk about is for our audience, 149 00:08:33.399 --> 00:08:38.000 not everybody knows about Sweden, but sort of the effect 150 00:08:38.080 --> 00:08:41.639 of the weather, the long winters and not very well 151 00:08:42.120 --> 00:08:45.799 of short summers, but sort of the attitude in Sweden. 152 00:08:45.840 --> 00:08:48.519 And he is this person in nineteen seventy nine, as 153 00:08:48.559 --> 00:08:52.360 you read, he registers at Uppsala University Pharmacy school. So 154 00:08:52.399 --> 00:08:56.240 he's taking that natural intelligence and putting it towards which 155 00:08:56.279 --> 00:09:00.559 seems like his love of chemistry, and moving towards pharmacy. 156 00:09:01.000 --> 00:09:04.080 Tell us a little bit about Sweden itself and what 157 00:09:04.240 --> 00:09:07.600 he experienced there before we talk about again why he 158 00:09:07.600 --> 00:09:10.639 would have moved to America, away from his family, away 159 00:09:10.639 --> 00:09:13.159 from that life. Tell us a little bit about what 160 00:09:13.200 --> 00:09:14.799 you write in the book about Sweden. 161 00:09:15.960 --> 00:09:20.120 Well, Sweden is a beautiful country, lots of green, lots 162 00:09:20.159 --> 00:09:25.039 of hills, it has the lakes. It's a beautiful place. 163 00:09:25.799 --> 00:09:30.519 But it's dark much of the winter. There are periods 164 00:09:30.559 --> 00:09:33.679 during the winter when the daylight is only a couple 165 00:09:33.720 --> 00:09:37.879 of hours, two or three hours, and that bothered Stefawn. 166 00:09:38.039 --> 00:09:42.639 It depressed him. He really found that he loved the 167 00:09:42.679 --> 00:09:46.320 sunshine and that would become kind of a theme throughout 168 00:09:46.360 --> 00:09:49.679 his life that he wanted to be in warm places 169 00:09:49.759 --> 00:09:51.000 with bright sun. 170 00:09:53.480 --> 00:09:55.879 No, he's gotten a lot of offers after he earns 171 00:09:55.919 --> 00:10:00.919 his master's degree in pharmacy, as you mentioned this, inventions 172 00:10:01.000 --> 00:10:03.679 or innovations, but he also had a paper published, he 173 00:10:03.720 --> 00:10:07.799 achieved recognition, was granted patents on we talked about the discoveries, 174 00:10:09.559 --> 00:10:12.960 and again his father was not proud of his accomplishments, 175 00:10:13.000 --> 00:10:17.360 and so he had been offered positions from research facilities 176 00:10:17.399 --> 00:10:21.919 around the world. So tell us about how he decided 177 00:10:21.960 --> 00:10:25.080 and when he decided, or how about how he decided 178 00:10:25.080 --> 00:10:28.919 to make this big dramatic move and where did he 179 00:10:29.000 --> 00:10:29.320 move to? 180 00:10:30.799 --> 00:10:34.320 Well, because of his love of the sunshine, Stefan decided 181 00:10:34.360 --> 00:10:38.559 he really wanted to be in a climate with that 182 00:10:38.639 --> 00:10:42.559 type of atmosphere. And there was a Swedish man who 183 00:10:42.600 --> 00:10:45.720 was heading up a department in Dallas at one of 184 00:10:45.759 --> 00:10:50.600 the big research centers there, and he made Steffan an offer, 185 00:10:50.799 --> 00:10:54.320 and Stefan went to Dallas, looked it over and decided 186 00:10:54.320 --> 00:10:58.480 to move. Texas has bright sunshine, has a lot of warmth. 187 00:10:59.200 --> 00:11:02.440 Those were things he appreciated. Andy was moving into an 188 00:11:02.480 --> 00:11:07.240 atmosphere where he had someone from his country to work for, 189 00:11:07.480 --> 00:11:10.080 so it was actually kind of a perfect fit for him. 190 00:11:10.519 --> 00:11:13.559 He loved Dallas. He moved into an apartment there and 191 00:11:14.039 --> 00:11:17.480 he was often spent a lot of time at the pool. 192 00:11:18.879 --> 00:11:22.519 He'd sit there and read newspapers and magazines and to 193 00:11:22.639 --> 00:11:23.879 soak up the Texas sun. 194 00:11:25.480 --> 00:11:29.919 No, he is a complete person in terms of his business. 195 00:11:29.919 --> 00:11:34.679 He's very, very successful, but he lacks in certain areas 196 00:11:34.759 --> 00:11:37.799 and he's meeting people. But what is it about? How 197 00:11:37.840 --> 00:11:42.200 would you describe as character for the again a brilliant 198 00:11:42.600 --> 00:11:48.840 a brilliant scientist and a brilliant mind. Socially, what would 199 00:11:48.879 --> 00:11:52.480 you categorize how would you characterize him as he moves there, 200 00:11:52.519 --> 00:11:54.879 and tell us a little bit about his character, because 201 00:11:54.879 --> 00:11:58.159 I think it's important to know what and who Ana 202 00:11:58.279 --> 00:11:59.200 meets much later on. 203 00:12:00.480 --> 00:12:04.080 Well, he really had a lot of friends, and they 204 00:12:04.080 --> 00:12:06.399 would go out in the evenings and they would circulate 205 00:12:06.480 --> 00:12:09.639 between the bars and the restaurants. But at the same time, 206 00:12:09.720 --> 00:12:15.240 Steffan was very lonely. He always wanted that special person 207 00:12:15.279 --> 00:12:17.840 in his life. He often talked about having a family. 208 00:12:18.639 --> 00:12:22.720 At one point in Dallas, he married and they moved 209 00:12:22.720 --> 00:12:25.600 to New York together and it was exciting and wonderful, 210 00:12:27.879 --> 00:12:31.080 but it didn't work out, and he was very disappointed, 211 00:12:31.480 --> 00:12:33.559 and I don't think he ever really understood why it 212 00:12:33.600 --> 00:12:35.919 didn't work out. It was one of those marriages where 213 00:12:36.360 --> 00:12:39.720 they had just rather drifted apart. They were doing other things. 214 00:12:40.519 --> 00:12:45.879 So he returned to Dallas and to Southwest Medical Center 215 00:12:45.919 --> 00:12:49.600 where he was working as a research scientist. When he 216 00:12:49.679 --> 00:12:53.720 came back, he was working on steroids and hormones and 217 00:12:53.759 --> 00:12:58.039 how they affect women's bodies during pregnancy. It with important work. 218 00:12:58.080 --> 00:13:00.480 He was looking at how to prevent premature birth. 219 00:13:04.200 --> 00:13:10.879 No, you say he has relationships one with Jackie for 220 00:13:10.919 --> 00:13:15.399 four years but they drift apart. He all at that 221 00:13:15.559 --> 00:13:18.759 time he had wanted a family, and he'd wanted children, 222 00:13:19.240 --> 00:13:21.840 and it seemed after that you write that this divorce 223 00:13:21.919 --> 00:13:26.240 really devastated him. So then he he would return to 224 00:13:26.240 --> 00:13:29.399 Sweden every year, visiting his families and friends. In mid nineties, 225 00:13:29.399 --> 00:13:32.840 he became a US citizen, and then in nineteen ninety seven, 226 00:13:32.919 --> 00:13:37.639 a woman from Sweden, Anika Lindquist, who had been influenced 227 00:13:37.639 --> 00:13:43.559 to move to the US, began working for him. Now, 228 00:13:43.639 --> 00:13:45.720 tell us a little bit about this relationship because it's 229 00:13:45.720 --> 00:13:48.799 important because he is still in contact with her later 230 00:13:49.320 --> 00:13:52.039 when he when he meets Anna, So tell us a 231 00:13:52.039 --> 00:13:56.519 little bit about this relationship and what it means for Stefan. 232 00:13:57.679 --> 00:14:01.559 Stefan and Anaka became very close. They became they were 233 00:14:01.559 --> 00:14:05.200 good co workers together. She kind of filled him out. 234 00:14:05.679 --> 00:14:09.679 Steffan was great with big ideas and coming up with 235 00:14:10.120 --> 00:14:13.360 different avenues they could look into, and Anika was born 236 00:14:13.440 --> 00:14:15.759 nuts and bolts, so she kind of carried it through. 237 00:14:16.960 --> 00:14:20.919 They really got along very well and we're really good friends. 238 00:14:20.960 --> 00:14:25.399 And Anka started going out with Steffan's friends in the evenings, 239 00:14:25.879 --> 00:14:29.559 going to the restaurants and having fun. For a short time, 240 00:14:29.600 --> 00:14:33.840 a period of months they had a romantic relationship, but 241 00:14:34.080 --> 00:14:38.120 it didn't work out. Anaka is very outdoorsy. She she 242 00:14:38.440 --> 00:14:42.240 liked camping and she liked doing She didn't care if 243 00:14:42.240 --> 00:14:44.799 it was a ninety five degrees, she'd go for a hike. 244 00:14:44.919 --> 00:14:47.559 And Steffan was the kind of guy who wanted to 245 00:14:47.600 --> 00:14:51.919 go to the local restaurant on a Sunday afternoon for brunch. 246 00:14:53.159 --> 00:14:57.399 Their you know, their likes just didn't match, and they 247 00:14:57.480 --> 00:15:00.200 kind of drifted into the relationship and then drifted out 248 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:05.000 out of it, but they remained very, very good friends. 249 00:15:07.039 --> 00:15:11.840 Now you talk about the series of events we talk about, 250 00:15:12.000 --> 00:15:15.279 you talk about in two thousand and five, this stormy 251 00:15:15.320 --> 00:15:19.279 relationship between Stefan and his father. His father dies, and 252 00:15:19.320 --> 00:15:22.320 again it was evident to people that knew him that 253 00:15:22.720 --> 00:15:25.440 his father never told him he loved him, respected what 254 00:15:25.519 --> 00:15:29.799 he had done. And yet Stefan still in certain parts 255 00:15:29.799 --> 00:15:34.440 of his life, is maintaining He's maintaining his work. He's 256 00:15:34.480 --> 00:15:37.559 doing really good work and love of the science, not 257 00:15:38.080 --> 00:15:41.519 about ego and not about money. He has good friends. 258 00:15:42.440 --> 00:15:46.120 And what they did notice at that time, though, is 259 00:15:46.120 --> 00:15:50.440 that again foreboding of the future. Is Stefan really liked 260 00:15:50.720 --> 00:15:54.200 high heels and his friends almost and A commented that 261 00:15:54.240 --> 00:15:59.080 he had a shoe fetish. So tell us a little 262 00:15:59.120 --> 00:16:06.080 bit about how he got in a position in terms 263 00:16:06.159 --> 00:16:10.279 of meeting Anna through jillill Well. 264 00:16:10.360 --> 00:16:14.120 He moved to Houston when his grant ran out in 265 00:16:14.200 --> 00:16:17.679 Dallas and he was hired here at the University of 266 00:16:17.720 --> 00:16:23.600 Houston to do his research, continue research and also to 267 00:16:24.159 --> 00:16:29.399 lecture the medical students at the University of Houston. And 268 00:16:29.720 --> 00:16:32.679 he was doing very well with that. You're right, he 269 00:16:32.720 --> 00:16:35.919 did love a beautiful woman in high heels. On his 270 00:16:36.679 --> 00:16:41.480 fiftieth birthday before he moved to Houston, Anka made a 271 00:16:41.720 --> 00:16:43.879 kind of a poster for him with a lot of 272 00:16:43.879 --> 00:16:46.120 pictures and there were a lot of pictures of friends, 273 00:16:46.200 --> 00:16:48.679 and there were pictures of high heel shoes and it 274 00:16:48.759 --> 00:16:51.720 said shoe fetish in the center of it. This was 275 00:16:51.759 --> 00:16:57.080 something that appealed to him. So in Houston he moved 276 00:16:57.159 --> 00:17:03.039 into a building downtown. It's near Herman Park. It's called 277 00:17:03.039 --> 00:17:08.000 the Park Lane. It's a beautiful condominium, its apartment complex. 278 00:17:08.160 --> 00:17:14.119 It's a high rise and he got for Stefan. It 279 00:17:14.240 --> 00:17:17.319 was the ultimate apartment. It had views of the city 280 00:17:17.359 --> 00:17:20.480 on two sides. It was a small but it had 281 00:17:20.599 --> 00:17:25.240 huge windows. He had a view of downtown Houston, and 282 00:17:25.440 --> 00:17:29.000 the sun poured in every morning. He got up and 283 00:17:29.039 --> 00:17:33.680 he waited for sunrise. It was just a remarkable place 284 00:17:33.720 --> 00:17:36.440 for him. He really fell in love with his apartment 285 00:17:36.599 --> 00:17:37.400 and with Houston. 286 00:17:39.839 --> 00:17:42.880 Now you talk about him being a full professor, he's 287 00:17:42.880 --> 00:17:45.480 making a little bit less money again, he's doing everything 288 00:17:45.519 --> 00:17:49.000 for his career. But he said to his friend Stand 289 00:17:49.279 --> 00:17:52.039 at his stand Rich's wedding, he said, I'm really looking 290 00:17:52.079 --> 00:17:55.119 for my match. He had taken dancing lessons. He's fell 291 00:17:55.160 --> 00:17:58.119 in love with salsa dancing, and he had said to 292 00:17:58.200 --> 00:18:00.880 Stand that he wanted to look for a a Latino 293 00:18:00.960 --> 00:18:06.759 woman to slso dance with him and to teach them Spanish. 294 00:18:07.240 --> 00:18:10.559 Now you talk about the park lane, and let's talk 295 00:18:10.559 --> 00:18:15.680 about Anna Turgillo and how she comes to be anywhere 296 00:18:15.680 --> 00:18:18.039 near a place like this. Tell us a little bit 297 00:18:18.079 --> 00:18:22.079 about We'll have to go back to who Anna Turgillo is. 298 00:18:22.119 --> 00:18:27.920 So tell us about Anna Trugillo in her early life, 299 00:18:28.079 --> 00:18:28.880 how she grew up. 300 00:18:29.759 --> 00:18:34.440 Well, Anna came in with an immigrant family. Her parents 301 00:18:34.519 --> 00:18:37.799 brought her over. They were living in the States in 302 00:18:37.839 --> 00:18:41.599 Arizona before she was born. She was actually born in Mexico, 303 00:18:41.640 --> 00:18:44.480 but they quickly brought her back over the border, and 304 00:18:44.559 --> 00:18:46.559 her family didn't have a lot of money. She was 305 00:18:46.640 --> 00:18:49.599 raised for quite a while by a single mom. She 306 00:18:49.759 --> 00:18:54.079 had three other siblings. Her mom married a man with 307 00:18:54.640 --> 00:18:58.680 four other children, and Anna spent much of her childhood 308 00:18:58.720 --> 00:19:01.519 helping to care for her siblings. She was a very 309 00:19:01.559 --> 00:19:06.960 responsible young girl, very fashionable young girl. She was well liked. 310 00:19:08.279 --> 00:19:13.000 She was always very pretty. And she moved to Houston, 311 00:19:13.079 --> 00:19:18.079 to well to Waco actually outside Dallas, with her parents, 312 00:19:18.160 --> 00:19:22.680 and there got married. She had a couple of daughters, 313 00:19:22.720 --> 00:19:25.839 and that marriage didn't last and she ended up married 314 00:19:25.880 --> 00:19:31.480 to another man and he moved her to Houston and 315 00:19:31.519 --> 00:19:35.680 they were living in a beautiful white brick house in 316 00:19:35.759 --> 00:19:40.480 a very very nice subdivision about thirty minutes outside of Houston. 317 00:19:41.480 --> 00:19:44.559 And Anna decided she'd had a really good job working 318 00:19:44.599 --> 00:19:48.240 for Coca Cola. I had done very very well with it, 319 00:19:48.920 --> 00:19:52.440 and she quit and she decided she wanted to open 320 00:19:52.519 --> 00:19:56.960 up her own business and become a messuse. Her husband 321 00:19:57.000 --> 00:20:00.799 supported that opened a studio for did Allie could to 322 00:20:00.839 --> 00:20:05.759 get her going. But quickly after Anna opened a studio 323 00:20:05.799 --> 00:20:13.480 in downtown Houston, she started changing and she would become 324 00:20:13.640 --> 00:20:17.079 she was drinking more, she was partying at night, and 325 00:20:17.160 --> 00:20:21.799 that marriage fell apart. She left her daughters, who took 326 00:20:21.839 --> 00:20:27.079 off to stay with their grandparents, and she ended up 327 00:20:27.119 --> 00:20:29.920 living for a while off what she got from that 328 00:20:30.559 --> 00:20:37.599 second divorce in Houston, and she also became very interested 329 00:20:37.640 --> 00:20:42.079 in the occult. She was living in an apartment for 330 00:20:42.119 --> 00:20:45.200 a while in the Rice Hotel here in Houston, which 331 00:20:45.359 --> 00:20:48.000 is always on the list of haunted places here in 332 00:20:48.039 --> 00:20:52.160 the city. And Anna started using her Ouiji board in 333 00:20:52.359 --> 00:20:56.920 the Rice Hotel late at night, and her life kind 334 00:20:56.920 --> 00:21:01.000 of spiraled out of control. Dan, It's one of those 335 00:21:01.400 --> 00:21:05.200 sad instances where someone over a short period of time 336 00:21:06.640 --> 00:21:14.119 really kind of loses their life. And she started drinking heavily. 337 00:21:15.599 --> 00:21:22.160 She was smoking this herbal pot. She got some dwiyes, 338 00:21:22.720 --> 00:21:25.759 things that had never happened to her in her previous life. 339 00:21:25.920 --> 00:21:28.359 I mean, here she was. She was in her forties, 340 00:21:29.400 --> 00:21:34.440 and she had gone from being a suburban mom and 341 00:21:34.559 --> 00:21:39.359 wife and a successful businesswoman to be forced to fond 342 00:21:39.480 --> 00:21:43.039 met her. She was going from man to man who 343 00:21:43.119 --> 00:21:46.240 was supporting her, and at different times she was actually 344 00:21:46.319 --> 00:21:50.079 homeless and would just show up at a friend's house 345 00:21:50.119 --> 00:21:54.279 looking for a bed for the night. In the fall 346 00:21:54.440 --> 00:21:58.519 of twenty twelve, she was living in the Park Lane. 347 00:21:58.720 --> 00:22:01.400 She had met a man and he was on one 348 00:22:01.400 --> 00:22:05.160 of the high floors and she had moved in and 349 00:22:06.000 --> 00:22:08.519 that relationship had gone on for a few months, and 350 00:22:08.599 --> 00:22:12.279 he was entertaining her as all the men did, taking 351 00:22:12.279 --> 00:22:16.839 her different places at night and in the lobby. One 352 00:22:16.920 --> 00:22:24.960 day her path crossed with Stefan's. They talked, and after 353 00:22:25.000 --> 00:22:27.960 that they decided to go out for lunch and then dinner, 354 00:22:29.440 --> 00:22:32.799 and within a very short period of time, I believe 355 00:22:32.799 --> 00:22:35.319 it was a matter of a week or two, she 356 00:22:35.480 --> 00:22:36.799 had moved into his apartment. 357 00:22:39.799 --> 00:22:44.599 Now he knew a certain amount from just initially because 358 00:22:44.599 --> 00:22:48.440 she was living with someone else in that building. So 359 00:22:48.480 --> 00:22:54.200 as friends asked his rationalization was what what was his 360 00:22:54.279 --> 00:22:57.000 normalization of this in terms of going from one man 361 00:22:57.039 --> 00:22:59.720 to another in the building? What did he have to say? 362 00:22:59.759 --> 00:23:02.519 Well, you know, he said that some of his friends 363 00:23:02.519 --> 00:23:07.720 were very concerned about Anna. They you know, they said, well, 364 00:23:07.720 --> 00:23:10.839 who is this Ana Truio woman, and why, you know, 365 00:23:10.880 --> 00:23:13.920 why why did it break up with the man she 366 00:23:14.079 --> 00:23:16.920 was living with in the building, And he said, well, 367 00:23:16.920 --> 00:23:21.000 it was an amicable thing. They just they decided to 368 00:23:21.039 --> 00:23:25.119 part ways. He didn't seem concerned about that. And Anna 369 00:23:25.279 --> 00:23:28.759 can be very, very charming. People were really bowled over 370 00:23:28.839 --> 00:23:31.799 by her. She'd made a lot of friends in her 371 00:23:31.880 --> 00:23:36.480 short time in Houston, and she attracted men. She was 372 00:23:36.599 --> 00:23:40.039 very sexual. In the clubs downtown, she would dance and 373 00:23:40.079 --> 00:23:43.240 hand out flowers to the men. She would give them roses. 374 00:23:44.319 --> 00:23:48.039 There was just something very compelling about her. So I'm 375 00:23:48.119 --> 00:23:54.119 sure that Stefan saw this beautiful woman, this beautiful latina, dressed, 376 00:23:54.359 --> 00:23:58.680 you know, very sexily and wearing those stiletto heels, that 377 00:23:58.759 --> 00:24:03.319 she loved that he and I'm sure he was just 378 00:24:04.799 --> 00:24:06.400 entranced by her in the beginning. 379 00:24:08.799 --> 00:24:10.960 Now, what we didn't talk about a little bit, and 380 00:24:11.000 --> 00:24:13.039 we just want to go backwards just a bit, is 381 00:24:13.079 --> 00:24:19.079 because there's a few things in Anna's background that would 382 00:24:19.240 --> 00:24:23.640 have scarred her in terms of the rape, In terms 383 00:24:23.680 --> 00:24:29.839 of seeing someone hang them or helping stop someone from 384 00:24:29.839 --> 00:24:34.200 committing suicide and then that person's sexually assaulting them. This 385 00:24:34.279 --> 00:24:38.240 must have made a big impression and affected her. Just 386 00:24:38.279 --> 00:24:40.119 tell us a little bit about some of the things 387 00:24:40.160 --> 00:24:42.720 that she experienced when she was younger that would factor 388 00:24:42.759 --> 00:24:44.039 in much later. 389 00:24:45.519 --> 00:24:50.160 Well, She'd had some rough experiences with her first husband. 390 00:24:51.599 --> 00:24:56.519 When that marriage broke up, she claimed that at one 391 00:24:56.519 --> 00:25:02.920 point he had sexually assaulted her. Somebody in her family 392 00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:07.160 told me that they had talked her out of pressing 393 00:25:07.240 --> 00:25:11.720 charges against him at the time. I really think that Dan, 394 00:25:11.839 --> 00:25:14.599 that's true. I think that did impact the way she 395 00:25:14.640 --> 00:25:19.680 saw men in the future. And then she also had 396 00:25:19.680 --> 00:25:23.240 an altercation with a man who was living in the 397 00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:27.200 Rice Hotel at one point, and they told the story 398 00:25:27.319 --> 00:25:31.559 very differently. She claimed that he had hit her in 399 00:25:31.599 --> 00:25:35.039 the head with a candlestick. He claimed that she had 400 00:25:35.119 --> 00:25:40.160 hit him, and that when he woke up after he'd 401 00:25:40.200 --> 00:25:44.119