WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.720 --> 00:00:14.960 He'll be be bad. Hey everybody, welcome to Game Best 2 00:00:15.000 --> 00:00:17.559 Mornings with Me Jeff Grub, your host from giant bomb 3 00:00:17.679 --> 00:00:20.039 dot com. Thank you for tuning in. In this episode, 4 00:00:20.079 --> 00:00:23.800 we're gonna be talking about Kojama's next next game and 5 00:00:24.039 --> 00:00:28.160 is Marathon leading Bungee into a brick wall. It's gonna 6 00:00:28.160 --> 00:00:29.760 be a good one because we have Janet Chhoe on 7 00:00:29.800 --> 00:00:31.640 the show, which is brought to you by because it's 8 00:00:31.640 --> 00:00:32.880 still brought to you by kind of Funny. I have 9 00:00:32.960 --> 00:00:35.000 that written here from last week, still brought you by 10 00:00:35.079 --> 00:00:37.560 kind of Funny. Why the hell not first Jana show? 11 00:00:37.840 --> 00:00:38.640 How are you doing? 12 00:00:38.960 --> 00:00:39.920 That's right? Tim? 13 00:00:40.119 --> 00:00:44.039 Greg, back up the bag. Yeah once again. If I 14 00:00:44.119 --> 00:00:45.560 just keep saying it, they have to keep paying us. 15 00:00:45.600 --> 00:00:48.719 I'm pretty sure that's how commerce works. I'm a business owner. 16 00:00:48.880 --> 00:00:52.719 They have really nice ice at the kind of funny office. 17 00:00:53.079 --> 00:00:54.960 See that's that's that's how you know they take care 18 00:00:54.960 --> 00:00:57.439 of their people. If they care about the ice machine, 19 00:00:57.439 --> 00:01:01.960 they care about everything else. I always like it when 20 00:01:02.000 --> 00:01:04.200 other people know that there's such a thing as the 21 00:01:04.239 --> 00:01:06.680 good ice. I like that makes me happy that you 22 00:01:06.719 --> 00:01:09.840 know that, jan because I feel that very much as well. 23 00:01:09.959 --> 00:01:12.799 I'm always on the search for better ice right now. 24 00:01:13.000 --> 00:01:15.400 I like the cylinders with the hole in it. Those 25 00:01:15.480 --> 00:01:17.239 that's some good ice right now for you, right now. 26 00:01:17.400 --> 00:01:20.239 The only ice the Giant Bomb supports is the kind 27 00:01:20.280 --> 00:01:23.840 that makes your drinks cooler and colder. All right, we'll 28 00:01:23.840 --> 00:01:24.879 get it twisted, all right. 29 00:01:26.359 --> 00:01:27.760 If you happen to hear any ads like that on 30 00:01:27.799 --> 00:01:29.400 any of our podcast, please let us know. 31 00:01:29.560 --> 00:01:33.879 Please let us know. Yeah, grub like, sometimes you don't 32 00:01:33.879 --> 00:01:36.560 want like the freezer taste or the fridge taste, and 33 00:01:36.599 --> 00:01:38.519 they'll just like ruin your day. 34 00:01:39.319 --> 00:01:41.840 Yeah, yeah, what is what is what that fridge taste? 35 00:01:41.879 --> 00:01:44.280 I don't know. I got the I got the brid 36 00:01:44.280 --> 00:01:45.840 of filter in there and that's working right now. But 37 00:01:46.120 --> 00:01:47.920 I put that in the fridge I have down here, 38 00:01:48.200 --> 00:01:50.120 which doesn't have a lot of food in it. It's 39 00:01:50.120 --> 00:01:54.560 just other drinks, so mostly avoids the fridge taste. But yeah, 40 00:01:54.640 --> 00:01:58.239 all right, jan Hey, week two, we're on this thing. 41 00:01:58.719 --> 00:02:01.799 I'm feeling pretty good all the boy. It's it's there's 42 00:02:01.840 --> 00:02:04.000 still a huge mess behind the scenes of like figuring 43 00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:08.919 out everything pieces together, and Summer Game Fest is just 44 00:02:09.479 --> 00:02:11.759 a couple of days away, really, if you think about it. 45 00:02:13.039 --> 00:02:14.719 We're still trying to make a bunch of stuff happen. 46 00:02:14.800 --> 00:02:16.400 I'm you know, I think we can do it because 47 00:02:16.400 --> 00:02:19.080 it's us. But I also think I'll have several more 48 00:02:19.120 --> 00:02:20.960 white hairs here within the next couple of weeks. 49 00:02:21.439 --> 00:02:25.159 Yeah. I was already getting white hairs due to other circumstances, 50 00:02:25.199 --> 00:02:30.960 but now it's like recombined efforts with work. I think 51 00:02:31.039 --> 00:02:32.800 I can file for unemployment growth. 52 00:02:33.159 --> 00:02:34.960 I think I think we can. Yeah, I think I 53 00:02:35.000 --> 00:02:38.319 can too. Actually, I'm gonna I should do that here 54 00:02:38.360 --> 00:02:41.199 pretty soon. I don't want to let something like that 55 00:02:41.319 --> 00:02:43.520 slip by. All Right, you know what, though, let's get 56 00:02:43.520 --> 00:02:46.280 into this show and let's explain ourselves. This is Giant Bomb, 57 00:02:46.319 --> 00:02:48.879 a small team of video game dupases who rely on 58 00:02:48.960 --> 00:02:51.680 your support so that we can make cool stuff. If 59 00:02:51.680 --> 00:02:53.879 you want to help, go to giant bomb dot com 60 00:02:53.879 --> 00:02:56.439 slash Join It gets you ad, free shows and some 61 00:02:56.520 --> 00:02:59.479 other extras. Really the most important thing, though, there is 62 00:02:59.599 --> 00:03:01.639 it's the way to ensure we can keep doing what 63 00:03:01.680 --> 00:03:03.840 we want to do. We have lots of ideas, we 64 00:03:03.879 --> 00:03:05.680 have lots of things. 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That includes breaking 86 00:04:03.879 --> 00:04:06.759 news and maybe even some of our own original reporting. 87 00:04:07.159 --> 00:04:09.120 For all these topics, I'll get the input of a 88 00:04:09.159 --> 00:04:11.960 bona fide expert who will make me look smart. You 89 00:04:12.000 --> 00:04:15.199 are watching live on Twitch Welcome. You can always listen 90 00:04:15.240 --> 00:04:17.439 to the show later on podcast feeds by searching for 91 00:04:17.519 --> 00:04:20.680 Game Mess Mornings, or find the RSS feed on giant 92 00:04:20.720 --> 00:04:23.639 bomb dot com. You can also catch the show later 93 00:04:23.720 --> 00:04:27.839 on YouTube. Hello YouTube. All right, we have a lot 94 00:04:27.839 --> 00:04:32.720 to get into, so let's start the Morning Mess with Kideo. 95 00:04:33.040 --> 00:04:37.519 Kojima reveals his next espionage game, Phisiant is fifth five 96 00:04:37.560 --> 00:04:39.480 to six years away. I was gonna say fifty six 97 00:04:39.519 --> 00:04:42.560 years away. It might as well be. Yeah. This is 98 00:04:42.560 --> 00:04:46.560 from Jordan Midler over at Vgcdeo. Kojima has said that 99 00:04:46.600 --> 00:04:49.000 one of his next games, Visit, won't be released for 100 00:04:49.079 --> 00:04:51.920 five or six years. Kochuma recently spoke to French magazine 101 00:04:52.000 --> 00:04:55.360 lay Film fross Hall, during which he was asked about 102 00:04:55.399 --> 00:04:58.000 the adaptation of the Death Stranding film, which is currently 103 00:04:58.040 --> 00:05:00.560 in production at A twenty four, and if he'd like 104 00:05:00.600 --> 00:05:03.120 to work on more films in the future. When asked 105 00:05:03.120 --> 00:05:05.480 if he'd like to direct a film, Coachman replied, oh, yes, 106 00:05:05.560 --> 00:05:09.040 I received many offers after leaving Konami. Coachman went on 107 00:05:09.079 --> 00:05:11.720 to explain that he has multiple video game projects in 108 00:05:11.800 --> 00:05:14.600 development and that he may consider making a film once 109 00:05:14.720 --> 00:05:18.639 Death Stranding two and Phisiant are complete besides Death Stranding 110 00:05:18.720 --> 00:05:20.879 two and this is a quote. Now there is Phisiant 111 00:05:20.879 --> 00:05:23.839 in development that will take me another five or six years. 112 00:05:23.839 --> 00:05:26.480 Maybe after that I could finally decide to tackle a film. 113 00:05:26.680 --> 00:05:28.639 I grew up with cinema directing would be a kind 114 00:05:28.639 --> 00:05:31.759 of homage to it. Besides, I'm getting older and I 115 00:05:31.879 --> 00:05:35.279 would prefer to do it while still young. All Right, 116 00:05:35.279 --> 00:05:36.959 So he wants to make a movie in the meantime 117 00:05:37.040 --> 00:05:40.000 five to six years for Phisiint, which was originally announced 118 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:42.920 in January twenty twenty four during a PlayStation state of play. 119 00:05:43.279 --> 00:05:46.240 I was like struggling to remember exactly what this was 120 00:05:46.800 --> 00:05:49.680 jan But this is like him promising in many ways 121 00:05:49.680 --> 00:05:52.040 to like, I'm going to make a metal gear again, 122 00:05:52.240 --> 00:05:53.680 and it's not going to be called that. It's going 123 00:05:53.759 --> 00:05:55.079 to be something new and I'm going to own it. 124 00:05:55.160 --> 00:05:57.959 But basically, I'm making one of those games again five 125 00:05:57.959 --> 00:06:00.879 to six years. Does that sound right to you? Sure? 126 00:06:01.000 --> 00:06:05.759 Grub, knowing the scale and all the oddities that Kojima 127 00:06:05.839 --> 00:06:09.240 likes to throw into his games, five to six years, sure, 128 00:06:10.680 --> 00:06:13.560 let's just let's just round up. Let's go ten. 129 00:06:14.879 --> 00:06:18.920 Yeah, right, I mean I'll say, at least recently, his 130 00:06:19.680 --> 00:06:24.439 work at Coachman Productions outside of Konami has been you know, 131 00:06:25.040 --> 00:06:26.920 it doesn't. It hasn't taken the most time to get 132 00:06:26.920 --> 00:06:28.959 these games out. They've all come kind of come out 133 00:06:28.959 --> 00:06:32.879 in about that many years, four to six years, and 134 00:06:33.160 --> 00:06:36.639 that includes Death Stranding one and now Death's Stranding two 135 00:06:36.720 --> 00:06:38.319 is which is a follow up. I guess when did 136 00:06:38.360 --> 00:06:39.920 the last win? Did the first one come out? Was 137 00:06:39.920 --> 00:06:44.120 it like gosh to twenty eighteen? Maybe it's maybe it's 138 00:06:44.120 --> 00:06:47.560 longer than I'm thinking, But either way, I still think 139 00:06:47.600 --> 00:06:50.639 that he hasn't These games are not getting delayed over 140 00:06:50.680 --> 00:06:54.680 and over again twenty nineteen, Thank you, Chad. Okay, so, yeah, 141 00:06:54.800 --> 00:06:59.199 six years, right, I believe five to six years is possible. 142 00:07:00.560 --> 00:07:03.920 But also then I think after that he's probably not 143 00:07:04.000 --> 00:07:05.600 going to be like, Okay, I'm going to have time 144 00:07:05.639 --> 00:07:08.199 to direct a movie. It probably is right back into 145 00:07:08.319 --> 00:07:09.959 yet another game, although he says he doesn't want to 146 00:07:09.959 --> 00:07:13.279 make Death Stranding three necessarily, we'll see what. I guess, 147 00:07:13.360 --> 00:07:14.480 what do you want from Kojuma? 148 00:07:15.600 --> 00:07:19.040 I The problem is, I think I've spent a lot 149 00:07:19.079 --> 00:07:23.480 of my time doubting Kojima, and I think at this 150 00:07:23.600 --> 00:07:26.160 point I'm going to let him cook, but I'm going 151 00:07:26.160 --> 00:07:28.519 to let him cook at a distance, because I think 152 00:07:29.720 --> 00:07:33.079 the more attention you give Kojima, the more distracted he 153 00:07:33.199 --> 00:07:35.480 gets with his other extracurriculars. 154 00:07:36.439 --> 00:07:38.000 Yes, I do. 155 00:07:37.920 --> 00:07:40.480 Want to see him work on a movie, because you know, 156 00:07:40.600 --> 00:07:43.319 look at his whole repertoire of games right there. He's 157 00:07:43.759 --> 00:07:48.399 heavily influenced by cinema in you know, really liking something 158 00:07:48.920 --> 00:07:52.519 that doesn't automatically mean that these skills translate over. But 159 00:07:53.000 --> 00:07:56.360 Kujima does have an eye for editing. He could definitely 160 00:07:56.480 --> 00:08:01.519 edit some of his scenes down. But I'd be really 161 00:08:01.519 --> 00:08:04.519 interested to see him give it a stab in a 162 00:08:04.600 --> 00:08:07.279 more substantial way than he has with like, you know, 163 00:08:07.600 --> 00:08:09.319 any of his scenes in games. 164 00:08:10.480 --> 00:08:13.120 Yeah, I kind of almost wish that, you know how, 165 00:08:13.240 --> 00:08:17.439 in the celebrity book or celebrity celebrity author space, there's 166 00:08:17.439 --> 00:08:19.639 a lot of like co authorship now where it's like 167 00:08:19.759 --> 00:08:23.199 James Patterson and and he'll get like another celebrity in 168 00:08:23.199 --> 00:08:25.040 there who's like co Like Obama is going to help 169 00:08:25.040 --> 00:08:28.279 me write a spy thriller that takes place in the 170 00:08:28.279 --> 00:08:32.000 White House. I kind of wish movie directing had the 171 00:08:32.039 --> 00:08:34.360 same kind of thing. Even though like that, like the 172 00:08:34.399 --> 00:08:36.919 co authorship in books is super cynical in a lot 173 00:08:36.960 --> 00:08:39.279 of ways, But I in a way that I kind 174 00:08:39.279 --> 00:08:42.919 of like, it's like so hey, Like I don't know, 175 00:08:42.960 --> 00:08:44.960 it feels like wrestling to me in a lot of ways. 176 00:08:45.279 --> 00:08:47.600 I kind of wish Kojima could just like partner up 177 00:08:47.600 --> 00:08:51.399 with another director and Koachima can just do the bullshit 178 00:08:51.480 --> 00:08:53.799 he wants and then someone else can make sure it 179 00:08:53.879 --> 00:08:56.600 all works together. I would I would love to see 180 00:08:56.879 --> 00:08:59.879 like something like that, like a pro am situation. Although 181 00:09:00.399 --> 00:09:04.039 his his quote here of I like to like, what 182 00:09:04.080 --> 00:09:05.919 does he say here? Someone in chats just said it 183 00:09:05.919 --> 00:09:07.840 in a good way. I think of my movie as 184 00:09:07.879 --> 00:09:10.919 an homage to cinema. Sounds like a line from on 185 00:09:11.120 --> 00:09:14.320 Cinema at the Cinema, from Tim and from Tim Hideker. 186 00:09:14.360 --> 00:09:17.960 It's like it really does sound like something you would 187 00:09:18.000 --> 00:09:21.360 say if you wanted to sound eerodite about film or whatever. 188 00:09:21.919 --> 00:09:23.799 Uh yeah, that's Kochama. 189 00:09:24.159 --> 00:09:27.519 Yeah, I mean like he's he's always tweeting. He's always 190 00:09:27.559 --> 00:09:30.320 posting about, you know, sitting down in the cinema watching 191 00:09:30.320 --> 00:09:34.639 the newest thing. But I'm curious, like, I don't know, 192 00:09:34.679 --> 00:09:37.440 I want to watch him watch a movie, right. 193 00:09:37.480 --> 00:09:39.879 I want him to do the thing like Shi lah 194 00:09:39.879 --> 00:09:42.120 Boof did where he's like watched all his own movies 195 00:09:42.120 --> 00:09:43.919 and just had a camera pointed at his face. I 196 00:09:43.919 --> 00:09:46.919 want to Kacha should sell an only fans that's just 197 00:09:47.159 --> 00:09:48.360 watch me watch movies. 198 00:09:48.600 --> 00:09:49.879 I'll do it. I'll sign up. 199 00:09:50.399 --> 00:09:55.279 Yeah, you got my money for sure. You know. Excuse me. 200 00:09:55.360 --> 00:09:58.440 Death stranding, desk stranding too. I'm like more interested in 201 00:09:58.559 --> 00:10:00.399 those at this point than I have been at any 202 00:10:00.440 --> 00:10:02.919 other point for dest stranding games where it's like this 203 00:10:03.080 --> 00:10:05.000 for any one really came around with the director's cut 204 00:10:05.039 --> 00:10:08.080 by all accounts, and now and now two is it 205 00:10:08.120 --> 00:10:10.120 feels like everyone's saying it just gets going, it just 206 00:10:10.159 --> 00:10:12.759 gets into the fun. I'm like, I'm kind of in 207 00:10:12.759 --> 00:10:15.480 the mood for this weird project that that coach must 208 00:10:15.480 --> 00:10:18.120 spend so much time on. I'm not necessarily excited for 209 00:10:18.159 --> 00:10:19.519 him to like go back and be like, now I'm 210 00:10:19.519 --> 00:10:22.559 gonna do my independent metal gear. I almost wish that 211 00:10:22.559 --> 00:10:25.440 that was not something distracting him on the horizon. Obviously 212 00:10:25.440 --> 00:10:27.279 he's got that there's an O D game oh that 213 00:10:27.320 --> 00:10:30.080 he's working with Xbox on as well, which comes out 214 00:10:30.120 --> 00:10:33.320 between these two things. I suppose, but I don't know. 215 00:10:33.360 --> 00:10:36.399 I kind of wish that he would was like stretching 216 00:10:36.440 --> 00:10:38.840 out into places that are completely unfamiliar to him. 217 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:42.519 Yeah, this goes. This ties into an issue that I've 218 00:10:42.759 --> 00:10:45.960 had as of late with games Grub, where guys, we 219 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:48.279 don't need to announce something, We don't need to announce 220 00:10:48.279 --> 00:10:52.000 a project before the work is even started. And you know, 221 00:10:52.120 --> 00:10:55.120 I completely recognize that some of these announcements are tied 222 00:10:55.120 --> 00:10:58.679 into draw talent into a studio, for sure. Oh sure, yeah, 223 00:10:59.240 --> 00:11:01.919 but there's got to be a better way than announcing 224 00:11:01.960 --> 00:11:07.000 a game eight years too early, or like announcing a 225 00:11:07.039 --> 00:11:10.559 studio getting opened way too early. And you know, because 226 00:11:10.600 --> 00:11:14.480 because then you're definitely dealing with an uphill battle of 227 00:11:14.919 --> 00:11:17.480 people not only comparing you to the previous games that 228 00:11:17.519 --> 00:11:21.840 you've released, but now like there's an unrealistic expectation of 229 00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:27.360 whatever this next project is, and it does harm the studio, 230 00:11:27.480 --> 00:11:30.399 It harms the old tour when something goes astray. 231 00:11:31.279 --> 00:11:35.440 Yep, h for sure, And I think, like you said, 232 00:11:35.440 --> 00:11:37.639 we see all the reasons why something like that does happen, 233 00:11:37.799 --> 00:11:40.639 and trying to you know, attract talent or to say 234 00:11:40.679 --> 00:11:42.799 the thing that Sony needs him to say, in order 235 00:11:42.840 --> 00:11:46.320 to make the you know, exclusivity deal, you know, to 236 00:11:46.399 --> 00:11:49.399 lubricate that that those gears so that deal can get done, 237 00:11:49.759 --> 00:11:51.799 that sort of thing. But yeah, it still leaves us 238 00:11:51.799 --> 00:11:53.919 in a situation where it's like, all right, I don't know, 239 00:11:53.960 --> 00:11:55.679 tell us more about it when you have something interesting 240 00:11:55.679 --> 00:11:59.879 in the show, and in the meantime our skepticism might grow. Yeah, uh, 241 00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:04.039 all right, let's move along here. A report has explained that, 242 00:12:04.120 --> 00:12:06.279 and this is a quote, the vibes have never been 243 00:12:06.320 --> 00:12:09.559 worse at Marathon developer Bungie. This is from Alex Hopley 244 00:12:09.639 --> 00:12:12.960 at Game Reactor. A new report has peeled back the 245 00:12:12.960 --> 00:12:16.480 curtain on the current situation at Marathon and original Halo 246 00:12:16.559 --> 00:12:20.000 developer Bungie, showing the studio is very concerned about the 247 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:22.960 game's launch and morale is at a low point for 248 00:12:23.080 --> 00:12:26.360 many working there. This comes from Paul Tassi at Forbes 249 00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:29.399 and follows Bungie admitting to the use of stolen art 250 00:12:29.399 --> 00:12:31.879 in Marathon. I think we talked about that on Friday. 251 00:12:32.279 --> 00:12:34.639 This is apparently the fourth time Bungie has been found 252 00:12:34.679 --> 00:12:38.120 guilty of such action in five years. Jesus Christ, I 253 00:12:38.120 --> 00:12:41.080 didn't realize it was that many times. Which doesn't exactly 254 00:12:41.159 --> 00:12:44.600 help fan sentiment. According to the Forbes report, the vibe 255 00:12:44.600 --> 00:12:47.679 has never been worse at Bungee with morale in freefall. 256 00:12:47.840 --> 00:12:50.519 There apparently have been some changes made to the marketing plan, 257 00:12:50.559 --> 00:12:52.879 but there remains a lot of anxiety about the game's 258 00:12:52.960 --> 00:12:56.200 upcoming September launch. Everyone has the same concerns about what 259 00:12:56.200 --> 00:12:58.360 happens to Bungie as a studio of Marathon bombs. This 260 00:12:58.440 --> 00:13:01.679 is a quote now, which is something they absolutely cannot afford. 261 00:13:01.759 --> 00:13:04.200 Reads the report, it appears there are real fears that 262 00:13:04.240 --> 00:13:06.799 Sony might have another concord on its hands. But we'll 263 00:13:06.799 --> 00:13:09.399 have to see if Sony stops or pushes Marathon back 264 00:13:09.679 --> 00:13:12.879 to try to prevent that from happening. Currently, Marathon is 265 00:13:12.919 --> 00:13:16.960 scheduled to release on the twenty third of September. Yeah, 266 00:13:17.000 --> 00:13:19.440 I mean jan going back to my own reporting about 267 00:13:19.440 --> 00:13:22.320 the situation over at Bungee and kind of like echoing 268 00:13:22.519 --> 00:13:26.399 that they cannot afford for Marathon to miss. When a 269 00:13:26.399 --> 00:13:31.360 lot of those layoffs happened and they shifted a destiny 270 00:13:31.399 --> 00:13:35.279 to from having these regular big content drops to more frequent, 271 00:13:35.639 --> 00:13:38.559 smaller drops that overall was going to provide less content, 272 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:40.639 but they were going to try to, you know, make 273 00:13:40.679 --> 00:13:42.799 it more efficiently and package it in a way that 274 00:13:42.840 --> 00:13:44.360 it still felt like you were getting quite a bit. 275 00:13:44.600 --> 00:13:47.480 Because they want Destiny to to continue to succeed and grow, 276 00:13:47.639 --> 00:13:50.399 they need that. But what they really need is for 277 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:54.799 Marathon to hit and in the end, actually, unfortunately because 278 00:13:54.799 --> 00:13:57.159 this sounds very difficult, jan what they really need is 279 00:13:57.440 --> 00:13:59.399 for both of those things to kind of perform at 280 00:13:59.399 --> 00:14:03.720 their top, like most possible performance level, so that Destiny 281 00:14:03.720 --> 00:14:06.320 too is hitting on all cylinders and it's making them 282 00:14:06.360 --> 00:14:08.320 a lot of money. And then Marathon comes out and 283 00:14:08.440 --> 00:14:11.720 is a huge hit at launch, and it just feels 284 00:14:11.759 --> 00:14:14.879 like everyone involved thinks like both those things are off 285 00:14:14.879 --> 00:14:17.879 the table or or will be very hard to achieve. 286 00:14:18.440 --> 00:14:21.039 And then what is the future of Bungee at that point? Well, 287 00:14:21.039 --> 00:14:22.720 I mean the way it was related to me is 288 00:14:23.000 --> 00:14:25.080 there isn't much of a future if these things do 289 00:14:25.159 --> 00:14:27.440 not take off. So that's of course it's got to 290 00:14:27.480 --> 00:14:30.279 be like really scary, and I I don't know, like 291 00:14:30.360 --> 00:14:33.279 Marathon does not seem like some disaster, but like we 292 00:14:33.320 --> 00:14:34.919 know that that's it doesn't have to be a disaster 293 00:14:35.039 --> 00:14:37.200 for people to decide I'm just not gonna play this thing. 294 00:14:37.279 --> 00:14:39.519 Right, one hundred percent grub. You know, we were just 295 00:14:39.600 --> 00:14:44.480 talking about unrealistic expectations, and I think the expectations between 296 00:14:44.840 --> 00:14:49.120 Marathon and expectations with Bungee are just so high at 297 00:14:49.159 --> 00:14:52.399 this point, and I I hate to be a doom 298 00:14:52.440 --> 00:14:57.279 sayer and just like watching the car crash happen, because 299 00:14:57.279 --> 00:14:59.799 I'd love for Marathon to succeed. You know, the art 300 00:14:59.840 --> 00:15:02.519 has really struck out to me. Unfortunately, some of that 301 00:15:02.679 --> 00:15:06.399 art may be plagiarized from other folks, which is a 302 00:15:06.519 --> 00:15:09.559 very big disappointment. Shocking to hear that this is the 303 00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:13.039 fourth time in like the last couple of years. You 304 00:15:13.039 --> 00:15:15.600 think at this point someone would be watching from the 305 00:15:15.639 --> 00:15:18.639 top and kind of you know, putting the hammer down 306 00:15:18.639 --> 00:15:22.799 on that. This just feels like a lose lose situation, 307 00:15:22.879 --> 00:15:24.840 and I really hate for Bungee to be in this spot, 308 00:15:26.600 --> 00:15:29.639 especially when like, you know, the Destiny two freaks are 309 00:15:29.679 --> 00:15:34.960 like you know there. It feels like they get hyped 310 00:15:35.039 --> 00:15:37.679 every time there's some type of news and then I 311 00:15:38.159 --> 00:15:40.000 just get sad because. 312 00:15:40.399 --> 00:15:44.039 There's still streaking out there. Yeah, but it's definitely muted, 313 00:15:44.240 --> 00:15:46.200 Like I think they're like not ready to like be 314 00:15:46.279 --> 00:15:50.720 shouting about Destiny too. Anymore, and it's like, Okay, if 315 00:15:50.759 --> 00:15:53.000 you're not willing to do that, then hows this thing? 316 00:15:53.080 --> 00:15:55.240 Like is anyone going to feel as excited about it? 317 00:15:55.639 --> 00:16:00.679 Probably not. I mean, jan I'm trying to like put 318 00:16:00.720 --> 00:16:04.600 my finger to the wind with Marathon, And it does 319 00:16:04.679 --> 00:16:08.120 feel a lot like Concord right now, doesn't it? Like, 320 00:16:08.200 --> 00:16:11.360 I mean, who knows if it actually goes the same 321 00:16:11.399 --> 00:16:14.639 exact way, but in this moment, it feels like the 322 00:16:14.720 --> 00:16:18.200 game like had the test of a public test that 323 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:21.519 people could try the game, and then when that went away, 324 00:16:22.360 --> 00:16:25.120 people were just like, I don't even care about talking 325 00:16:25.120 --> 00:16:27.000 about it. It's not like I hate it. It's not 326 00:16:27.039 --> 00:16:27.600 that I love it. 327 00:16:27.679 --> 00:16:28.440 No, Yeah, I just don't. 328 00:16:28.600 --> 00:16:30.960 It's not even worth wasting my time on. It just 329 00:16:31.039 --> 00:16:34.759 feels like this vacuum of excitement for it. And that 330 00:16:34.840 --> 00:16:37.279 was that's very similar to I think what happened with Concord. 331 00:16:37.919 --> 00:16:40.879 Do you think they can change the narrative between now 332 00:16:40.879 --> 00:16:41.679 in September? 333 00:16:42.399 --> 00:16:45.080 I think it's possible to change the narrative between now 334 00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:48.559 and release, especially with you know, folks not studios, not 335 00:16:48.559 --> 00:16:52.600 having to worry about GTA six looming in the background 336 00:16:52.600 --> 00:16:55.480 for the rest of twenty twenty five at least I 337 00:16:55.480 --> 00:16:59.159 think at this point though, Bungeee and Sony are their 338 00:16:59.200 --> 00:17:04.119 own biggest eyes obstacles, especially with how Concord was handled. Yeah, 339 00:17:04.160 --> 00:17:07.440 and I don't know that there are other shooters that 340 00:17:07.480 --> 00:17:11.319 are kind of in the similar space having more positive hype. 341 00:17:11.759 --> 00:17:14.720 Art creators bring up Arc Raiders, right, and like yeah, 342 00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:17.039 and then so I made a joke. It's like, well, 343 00:17:17.079 --> 00:17:18.839 we got art Raiders over here and over at Bungeie 344 00:17:18.839 --> 00:17:20.480 there's some art Raiders. 345 00:17:20.920 --> 00:17:24.279 Okay, Bravo twelve podcast points to you geever, whoever came 346 00:17:24.359 --> 00:17:29.000 up with that. But you know, folks are pointing out 347 00:17:29.119 --> 00:17:33.920 something major in that, is it possible for Bungies leadership 348 00:17:34.039 --> 00:17:38.160 to be solid enough between now and September, especially when 349 00:17:38.279 --> 00:17:40.880 like internally the vibes at the studio are kind of 350 00:17:40.920 --> 00:17:43.079 butt right how to use. 351 00:17:42.920 --> 00:17:45.519 Like rescue it while also just trying to fix morale 352 00:17:45.559 --> 00:17:47.559 in the first Like you kind of need things to 353 00:17:47.599 --> 00:17:51.440 be feeling good for people to infuse that energy into 354 00:17:51.440 --> 00:17:54.559 the game. And you know, games do come together in 355 00:17:54.559 --> 00:17:57.319 the last minute a lot of times. So, but it 356 00:17:57.319 --> 00:17:59.319 doesn't seem like it's that. It doesn't seem like this 357 00:17:59.440 --> 00:18:00.920 is a game where people are waiting for it to 358 00:18:00.920 --> 00:18:03.799 come together in the last minute. People just seem like 359 00:18:03.960 --> 00:18:09.079 wholesale unimpressed by the entire idea of Marathon. And I 360 00:18:09.119 --> 00:18:10.279 don't know if that's fixable. 361 00:18:10.559 --> 00:18:14.160 Yeah, that alpha or that test came and went grub 362 00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:17.279 I didn't hear a lot of hype or any buzz 363 00:18:17.319 --> 00:18:20.240 at all. The only thing I heard from it is 364 00:18:20.279 --> 00:18:27.720 that it feels like a weird or more robotic Apex Legends. 365 00:18:28.160 --> 00:18:30.440 And that's not a bad comparison to have, you know, 366 00:18:30.599 --> 00:18:32.720 for sure Apex Legends, that that that's a game that's 367 00:18:32.720 --> 00:18:36.960 always felt great has definitely lost its audience. But for 368 00:18:37.079 --> 00:18:40.839 the type of game that Bunge and Sony are trying 369 00:18:40.839 --> 00:18:43.200 to put out, I just don't know if I don't 370 00:18:43.200 --> 00:18:44.920 even know if there's an audience there to hook in. 371 00:18:46.119 --> 00:18:49.039 And we're like, Chane, we've had this long conversation about this, 372 00:18:49.680 --> 00:18:52.640 and have we mentioned the price, Like this is going 373 00:18:52.720 --> 00:18:54.599 to be a premium price game. It's going to be 374 00:18:55.079 --> 00:18:57.559 probably forty dollars. I think of whatever one's assuming the 375 00:18:57.839 --> 00:19:00.160 you know, or as we say on the streets, the 376 00:19:00.200 --> 00:19:06.440 concord price. Like ooh, there's just so many hills to 377 00:19:06.480 --> 00:19:08.000 climb before you can get to the point where like 378 00:19:08.079 --> 00:19:10.599 this is going to be probably still because they haven't 379 00:19:10.680 --> 00:19:12.839 gone back on this yet, a forty dollars game, and 380 00:19:12.880 --> 00:19:15.680 it's you know, it is an extraction shooter, and I've 381 00:19:15.680 --> 00:19:18.440 had fans of that genre tell me that that's genre 382 00:19:18.720 --> 00:19:21.400 tends to work much better if there is an upfront price. 383 00:19:21.440 --> 00:19:24.039 You kind of don't want the economy to be thrown 384 00:19:24.079 --> 00:19:26.519 off by people spending a lot of money because it's 385 00:19:26.559 --> 00:19:29.799 free to play game. Sure, okay, sure, but our creators 386 00:19:29.880 --> 00:19:33.759 is going to be free. It seems like so Yeahersons 387 00:19:33.759 --> 00:19:35.400 are just bad on every front. 388 00:19:35.480 --> 00:19:37.799 Comparisons are bad on every front. And you know, I 389 00:19:37.799 --> 00:19:40.720 feel like Sony has really put themselves into the spot 390 00:19:40.759 --> 00:19:44.480 with really trying to hammer live service games and canceling 391 00:19:44.599 --> 00:19:48.240 several other projects in favor of pursuing this strategy, and 392 00:19:48.359 --> 00:19:51.599 it just has not paid off in a substantial way. 393 00:19:51.640 --> 00:19:55.000 If anything, I think it's definitely hurt, you know, the 394 00:19:55.079 --> 00:19:59.319 image of Sony overall, because now people are drawing upon 395 00:19:59.440 --> 00:20:02.200 Concord as an example of a failed launch. People have 396 00:20:02.440 --> 00:20:09.799 completely forgotten about Redfall. Yeah, and now like in recent memory, 397 00:20:09.839 --> 00:20:11.440 it's going to be conquered, and I would hate for 398 00:20:11.480 --> 00:20:14.079 it to also be Marathon in the next couple months, 399 00:20:15.279 --> 00:20:18.680 Like even Square had like not a runaway hit, but 400 00:20:18.759 --> 00:20:22.000 a decent hit with Outriders, And yeah, I was able 401 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:24.160