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<v Speaker 1>Bill Cunningham has a day off. I'm Dan Carroll here

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<v Speaker 1>till three o'clock this afternoon, five three, seven, nine, eight hundred,

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<v Speaker 1>the Big One. Those are the numbers to call. Sean

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<v Speaker 1>McMahon is the main man running the big board there,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's been trying to reach out to what the

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<v Speaker 1>guests we're supposed to have right now, to Todd Bensman

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<v Speaker 1>from the Center for Immigration Studies, And since we are

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<v Speaker 1>still trying to make our connection with him, I'll just

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<v Speaker 1>go ahead and start reading the piece that got my

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<v Speaker 1>attention that he posted yesterday that made me reach out

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<v Speaker 1>to him to be a guest on this show to

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<v Speaker 1>begin with. And he starts with this Democrat Party oppositionist

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<v Speaker 1>immigrant advocates and their US media allies are mobilized and

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<v Speaker 1>dug in for all out political war against President elect

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump's signature plan, the Great Mass Deportation, the greatest

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<v Speaker 1>mass deportation in American history, and harbingers of things to come.

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<v Speaker 1>Framing to come, opponents of immigration law are choosing metaphorical language,

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<v Speaker 1>hearkening to the Nazi Holocaust and the Bosnian Civil War.

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<v Speaker 1>Immigration lawyers prepared to battle Trump in court reads one

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<v Speaker 1>typical recent New York Times headline over a story calling

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<v Speaker 1>the Trump plans harsh and describing how battalions of immigration

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<v Speaker 1>lawyers and civil liberties groups are mobilizing to wage total

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<v Speaker 1>legal and political war to stop them. We literally have

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<v Speaker 1>a blueprint of what they are planning to do, and

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<v Speaker 1>so we had months and months to figure out how

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<v Speaker 1>to protect people. The paper quoted Becca Heller, founder of

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<v Speaker 1>the International Refugee Assistance Project, saying Trump has told us

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<v Speaker 1>what to expect, hate and persecution and concentration camps. I've

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<v Speaker 1>never heard Trump use the word concentration camp. Did you

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<v Speaker 1>ethnic cleansing? Los Angeles Times reported Ronald Brownstein called, so

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<v Speaker 1>this is a sample a sampling of some of the

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<v Speaker 1>rhetoric that is coming from the left, the handwringing and

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<v Speaker 1>all the rest of it over Trump's plan to begin

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<v Speaker 1>this deportation process. But what you may not have known

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<v Speaker 1>is that deportations and when Tom Homan was interviewed by

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<v Speaker 1>sixty Minutes, he was asked about deporting families. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>are family is going to be broken up, and he

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<v Speaker 1>said they don't have to be you can deport entire families. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that just sounds unbelievably cruel. But it turns out the

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<v Speaker 1>Biden administration is doing it right.

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<v Speaker 2>Now. Let's see.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's see here. This is where Todd Bensman gets into

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<v Speaker 1>that in this piece, Holland was exactly right. The Biden

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<v Speaker 1>Harris administration has been doing this secretly that it has

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<v Speaker 1>never been covered by major media to this day. In

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two, the Biden Harris

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<v Speaker 1>administration launched an ICE air operation that has mass supported

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<v Speaker 1>by air as many as five hundred and fifty thousand

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<v Speaker 1>often central are often Central American immigrants to date, keeping

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<v Speaker 1>together whole families that include babes and arms in mother's arms.

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<v Speaker 1>Todd Bensman writes, I know this because I remained perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>the only American writer who witnessed, videotaped, and reported the

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<v Speaker 1>massive airlift while it happened at unmarked hangars and playing

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<v Speaker 1>closed ICE agents driving unmarked vehicles, putting them into unmarked

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<v Speaker 1>ICE contracted jets in small, out of the way US airports.

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<v Speaker 1>He says, I wrote video and print dispatches for the

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<v Speaker 1>Center for Immigration Studies, and dedicated most of an entire

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<v Speaker 1>chapter of the operation to my two thousand and twenty

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<v Speaker 1>three book overrun how Joe Biden unleashed the greatest border

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<v Speaker 1>crisis in US history. For starters, the fact that Biden

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<v Speaker 1>Harris carried out family deportation flight spotlights the profound dual

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<v Speaker 1>standard hypocrisy of today's emerging crop of political warfighters and

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<v Speaker 1>their media supporters because Donald Trump is doing it rather

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<v Speaker 1>than the president they liked and wanted to politically protect. Secondly,

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<v Speaker 1>the Biden Harris mass deportation airlift, although probably smaller in

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<v Speaker 1>scale than what's coming, provides an important value for the

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<v Speaker 1>next administration as a sound operational blueprint for those in

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<v Speaker 1>the Trump administration who will carry it out. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you're talking about getting rid okay of illegals, all he

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<v Speaker 1>has to do is look to what the Biden administration

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<v Speaker 1>is doing right now and has been doing since twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one. And joining us now is the man who

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<v Speaker 1>wrote the article i'd just been reading from from the

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<v Speaker 1>Center for Immigration Studies. Todd Benzman and Todd Bensman, Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to the show. How are you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing great? Thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think this piece that you wrote certainly was

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<v Speaker 1>eye opening for me. And look, I'm a guy I

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<v Speaker 1>read your stuff on a regular basis. I look at

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<v Speaker 1>the Center for Immigration Study website all the time, and

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<v Speaker 1>what are great resource CIS is, especially on issues as

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<v Speaker 1>they relate to what's happening at the border and what's

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<v Speaker 1>happening with immigration. But I think a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>are going to be shocked, and maybe even the women

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<v Speaker 1>on the view might be shocked to learn that the

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<v Speaker 1>Biden administration has deported over half a million people out

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<v Speaker 1>of this country and send them back two places south

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<v Speaker 1>of the border.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. I mean they didn't deport nearly enough to

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<v Speaker 2>create a sufficient deterrent because while they were deporting all

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<v Speaker 2>those people, they were letting everybody else in, you know, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, they're coming in by the millions and being deported

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<v Speaker 1>by the by the hundreds of thousands, so.

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<v Speaker 2>Are by the tens of thousands. Yeah. But but my

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<v Speaker 2>point in writing this is, you know, first of all,

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<v Speaker 2>I reported I started reporting on the Biden deportation flights

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<v Speaker 2>in December of twenty twenty one. Nobody was covering them.

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<v Speaker 2>They've been going on for four months already. And these

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<v Speaker 2>are women and children and families. These are exactly the

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<v Speaker 2>demographics that the Democratic Party apparatus and their media collaborators

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<v Speaker 2>are talking about now and that you're going to be

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<v Speaker 2>hearing a lot about oh my god, they're deporting families

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<v Speaker 2>and breaking families up or whatever, as though this is

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<v Speaker 2>a you know, an acutely immoral act. But they have

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<v Speaker 2>allowed the Biden administration to carry these out for years now.

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<v Speaker 2>And I mean I'm talking about like with mothers with

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<v Speaker 2>babes in arms kind of thing, deportations on flights to

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<v Speaker 2>their home countries. No amnesty for them or a temporary

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<v Speaker 2>protected status or release for them, they deported them. So

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<v Speaker 2>you know, where is the outcry on that? Why are

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<v Speaker 2>they sharpening the knives? Why is it evil? And you

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<v Speaker 2>know kind of you know, recalling imagery from the Holocaust

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<v Speaker 2>when Trump does it, but not when Biden does it.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's happening right now, even for the next ten weeks,

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<v Speaker 2>they'll still be doing it. One nine hundred flights just

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<v Speaker 2>this year twenty twenty four. Each one of them holds

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<v Speaker 2>about one hundred and ten hundred and twenty immigrants. So

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you can do the math. There's it's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and he don't forget what I did the

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<v Speaker 2>math earlier, But it's a lot of people and many

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<v Speaker 2>of them are women and children and families of just thought,

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<v Speaker 2>this is exactly what they're sharpening the knives for. As

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<v Speaker 2>the Trump administration prepares to start doing, you know, these

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<v Speaker 2>kind of deportations but in larger numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>Well sure, and you and you know as well as

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<v Speaker 1>I do, what is coming. We are going to see

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<v Speaker 1>network media run heartfelt, teary eyed stories about you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a young couple, a couple of kids living in the shadows,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, afraid of what might happen. They're going to,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, be forced to go back to some horrible situation.

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<v Speaker 1>But this this is the way the media plays this up.

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<v Speaker 1>But I go back to I go back to when

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Clinton did his State of Union speeches and he

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<v Speaker 1>and I remember one speech he used the term illegal alien,

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<v Speaker 1>probably a couple of dozen times. And Bill Clinton, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>to this this day is still one of the greatest,

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<v Speaker 1>uh one of the greatest deporters of individuals, sending people

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<v Speaker 1>back to where they came from. I remember when Barack

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<v Speaker 1>Obama used to brag about about all the people that

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<v Speaker 1>he's kicked out of the country, that he's deported, but

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<v Speaker 1>yet you never see the harsh language for them. You

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<v Speaker 1>never see the harsh language for Joe Biden. You only

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<v Speaker 1>see that sort of harsh language for Donald Trump because

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<v Speaker 1>he dares speak about this openly and honestly and saying

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what he's going to do. And then when he

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<v Speaker 1>appoints someone like Tom Homan to be his point man

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<v Speaker 1>on this effort, you know that Trump is serious about

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<v Speaker 1>what about what is going to come?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I can't disagree with that. And you know, there's

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<v Speaker 2>clearly a double standard. I hope that you know Americans

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<v Speaker 2>understand that this is a double standard. That it is.

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<v Speaker 2>It is. It is weird, uh, and it's obvious what

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<v Speaker 2>it is. If you know that the Democrats, traditional Democrats

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<v Speaker 2>have always done this. There's nobody they called Obama the

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<v Speaker 2>deporter in chief. Deportation and enforcement, border law enforcement was

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<v Speaker 2>always just a normal Democratic party thing. The two parties

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<v Speaker 2>never really differed much on that. It was the law,

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<v Speaker 2>and it just diverged in twenty twenty one when Biden

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<v Speaker 2>took office and brought with him an extreme group of

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<v Speaker 2>progressive liberals from the migrant advocacy industry, the people that

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<v Speaker 2>do resettlement and they make their money on doing migrant

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<v Speaker 2>help and refugee resettlement. And all that. Those are the

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<v Speaker 2>people he brought in, well they serve themselves. That was

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<v Speaker 2>the ultimate self flicking ice cream cone, to bring those

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<v Speaker 2>people in, and they set those are not normal Democrats.

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<v Speaker 2>They set this thing off. They engineered it. It was

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<v Speaker 2>well planned and well executed. It was not a mistake.

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<v Speaker 2>There's nothing broken. It was done on purpose, and they

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<v Speaker 2>knew exactly how and when to do it. That was

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<v Speaker 2>an unusual departure from democratic norms.

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<v Speaker 1>Todd Bensman. A couple of days after the election, I know,

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<v Speaker 1>I read a story about a giant migrant caravan that

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<v Speaker 1>was headed towards the United States and time to be

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<v Speaker 1>here just right at or just shortly after the election.

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<v Speaker 1>But I also read that this caravan, once it was

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<v Speaker 1>known that Trump was the winner of the election, largely dissipated,

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe as many as half of three hundred thousand people

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<v Speaker 1>gave up on this and said, what's the use of

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<v Speaker 1>going in if Trump is going to be the president?

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<v Speaker 1>What can you tell us about that situation.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a little bit more complicated than that. You have

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<v Speaker 2>to remember that in December of last year, almost a

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<v Speaker 2>year ago, Biden went down there and he sent his

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<v Speaker 2>chief lieutenants down there and cut a deal with Mexico

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<v Speaker 2>to do a big military op to round up tens

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<v Speaker 2>of thousands of migrants from the northern borderlands and haul

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<v Speaker 2>them down to the Guatemala border and trap them down

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<v Speaker 2>there and not let anybody in, not let anybody, or

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<v Speaker 2>let as few as possible through. During the American campaigns,

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<v Speaker 2>they did not want to provide video footage to the

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<v Speaker 2>Trump you know campaign advertising machine, right, And so they

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<v Speaker 2>held him back there. It's called Operation Carousel, very very effective.

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<v Speaker 2>The numbers dropped by half and then you know, sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>seventy and eighty percent from what they were. And I

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<v Speaker 2>thought that it was really only good till through election day, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And I think the immigrants figured it was only good

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<v Speaker 2>through election day. So a bunch of caravans started forming

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<v Speaker 2>then actually on election day to test whether the Mexican

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<v Speaker 2>holding him back or let him through, And it looked

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<v Speaker 2>a big test of willingness or commitment by the new

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<v Speaker 2>Mexican government where they're going to hold him back. And

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<v Speaker 2>then on Monday, the day before the election, Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 2>came out at one of his campaign rallies and says,

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<v Speaker 2>don't you dare if you let them through, I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to put when I'm in office, immediately twenty five percent

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<v Speaker 2>tariffs on all your trade goods coming into the US.

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<v Speaker 2>And if I don't like what's happening still, it'll be

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<v Speaker 2>fifty percent, and then seventy five percent, and then one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred percent until it stops. So right then is when

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<v Speaker 2>the caravan said he looked like they were getting blocked.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we're going to let him through. And people

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<v Speaker 2>just gave up then because it looked like the Mexican's

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<v Speaker 2>weren'ting to let him through. That's what I think really

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<v Speaker 2>happens a little bit more nuanced, yeah, than you know,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think that's what's going on right now. Operation

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<v Speaker 2>Carousel will be permanent or semi for the next four

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<v Speaker 2>and he's probably going to insist that they go even harder,

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<v Speaker 2>more resources, seal it up even more, and on pain

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<v Speaker 1>Todd Bensman before, we've only got about thirty seconds here,

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<v Speaker 1>but probably not a great question to ask here. But

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<v Speaker 1>I had a caller who called, and who said, what's

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<v Speaker 1>the net benefit to the American people? Instead of just

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<v Speaker 1>declaring amnesty for all the However many illegals are here,

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen to twenty twenty five million, whatever the number is,

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<v Speaker 1>why not just declare amnesty and let that go, or

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<v Speaker 1>at least engaging in this, I said, I think is

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<v Speaker 1>worth the effort. Give me one net benefit that America

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<v Speaker 1>is going to see if we do, in fact, are

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<v Speaker 1>able to carry out this deportation of multi millions of

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I can give you two. The first one is

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<v Speaker 2>a national security and public safety benefit. Most of the

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<v Speaker 2>people that we let in millions are total strangers. A

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<v Speaker 2>percentage of them are criminal aliens. They've committed crimes in

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<v Speaker 2>their home countries, and here it came back and we

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<v Speaker 2>got to get We don't know who they all are,

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<v Speaker 2>but we got to get rid of them. And number

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<v Speaker 2>two is, if you grant amnesty, then what you're telling

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<v Speaker 2>the world is get yourself in here, and one day

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<v Speaker 2>we'll grant you amnesty too. And it creates this incredibly powerful,

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<v Speaker 2>irresistible draw the Americans are doing these amnesties again, we

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<v Speaker 2>can get in. We'll probably get in under one of

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<v Speaker 2>those in a year or two or whatever. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>just Amnesty's lore immigrants in from around the world for

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<v Speaker 2>the next one. That's the problem with amnesties. They cause

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<v Speaker 2>mass migration.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and the misery and the chaos and the human

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<v Speaker 1>suffering that comes along with that with so many people

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get into this country illegally is a whole

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<v Speaker 1>nother portion of that story. But Todd Bensman Center for

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<v Speaker 1>Immigration Studies, awesome website, Keep up the great work. And

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<v Speaker 1>I always appreciate the time that you give us here

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<v Speaker 1>on seven hundred WLW, not just me but the other

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<v Speaker 1>hosts on this station. But always great to have you on, Todd,

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<v Speaker 1>and I hope we can do it again before too long.

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<v Speaker 2>Glad to be here anytime.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, there you go, the one and only Todd

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<v Speaker 1>Bensman from the Center for CIS Center for Immigration Studies.

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<v Speaker 1>Look it up and check it out. Twelve fifty six

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<v Speaker 1>is late for a break, Dan Carroll for Bill Cunningham,

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<v Speaker 1>seven hundred WLW.

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<v Speaker 2>The home of the reds Hey.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're like most Americans, you have a ton of

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<v Speaker 1>debt and you're paying insane interest rates every month