Speaker 1: Bill Cunningham has a day off. I'm Dan Carroll here
Speaker 1: till three o'clock this afternoon, five three, seven, nine, eight hundred,
Speaker 1: the Big One. Those are the numbers to call. Sean
Speaker 1: McMahon is the main man running the big board there,
Speaker 1: and he's been trying to reach out to what the
Speaker 1: guests we're supposed to have right now, to Todd Bensman
Speaker 1: from the Center for Immigration Studies, And since we are
Speaker 1: still trying to make our connection with him, I'll just
Speaker 1: go ahead and start reading the piece that got my
Speaker 1: attention that he posted yesterday that made me reach out
Speaker 1: to him to be a guest on this show to
Speaker 1: begin with. And he starts with this Democrat Party oppositionist
Speaker 1: immigrant advocates and their US media allies are mobilized and
Speaker 1: dug in for all out political war against President elect
Speaker 1: Donald Trump's signature plan, the Great Mass Deportation, the greatest
Speaker 1: mass deportation in American history, and harbingers of things to come.
Speaker 1: Framing to come, opponents of immigration law are choosing metaphorical language,
Speaker 1: hearkening to the Nazi Holocaust and the Bosnian Civil War.
Speaker 1: Immigration lawyers prepared to battle Trump in court reads one
Speaker 1: typical recent New York Times headline over a story calling
Speaker 1: the Trump plans harsh and describing how battalions of immigration
Speaker 1: lawyers and civil liberties groups are mobilizing to wage total
Speaker 1: legal and political war to stop them. We literally have
Speaker 1: a blueprint of what they are planning to do, and
Speaker 1: so we had months and months to figure out how
Speaker 1: to protect people. The paper quoted Becca Heller, founder of
Speaker 1: the International Refugee Assistance Project, saying Trump has told us
Speaker 1: what to expect, hate and persecution and concentration camps. I've
Speaker 1: never heard Trump use the word concentration camp. Did you
Speaker 1: ethnic cleansing? Los Angeles Times reported Ronald Brownstein called, so
Speaker 1: this is a sample a sampling of some of the
Speaker 1: rhetoric that is coming from the left, the handwringing and
Speaker 1: all the rest of it over Trump's plan to begin
Speaker 1: this deportation process. But what you may not have known
Speaker 1: is that deportations and when Tom Homan was interviewed by
Speaker 1: sixty Minutes, he was asked about deporting families. You know,
Speaker 1: are family is going to be broken up, and he
Speaker 1: said they don't have to be you can deport entire families. Well,
Speaker 1: that just sounds unbelievably cruel. But it turns out the
Speaker 1: Biden administration is doing it right.
Speaker 2: Now. Let's see.
Speaker 1: Let's see here. This is where Todd Bensman gets into
Speaker 1: that in this piece, Holland was exactly right. The Biden
Speaker 1: Harris administration has been doing this secretly that it has
Speaker 1: never been covered by major media to this day. In
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two, the Biden Harris
Speaker 1: administration launched an ICE air operation that has mass supported
Speaker 1: by air as many as five hundred and fifty thousand
Speaker 1: often central are often Central American immigrants to date, keeping
Speaker 1: together whole families that include babes and arms in mother's arms.
Speaker 1: Todd Bensman writes, I know this because I remained perhaps
Speaker 1: the only American writer who witnessed, videotaped, and reported the
Speaker 1: massive airlift while it happened at unmarked hangars and playing
Speaker 1: closed ICE agents driving unmarked vehicles, putting them into unmarked
Speaker 1: ICE contracted jets in small, out of the way US airports.
Speaker 1: He says, I wrote video and print dispatches for the
Speaker 1: Center for Immigration Studies, and dedicated most of an entire
Speaker 1: chapter of the operation to my two thousand and twenty
Speaker 1: three book overrun how Joe Biden unleashed the greatest border
Speaker 1: crisis in US history. For starters, the fact that Biden
Speaker 1: Harris carried out family deportation flight spotlights the profound dual
Speaker 1: standard hypocrisy of today's emerging crop of political warfighters and
Speaker 1: their media supporters because Donald Trump is doing it rather
Speaker 1: than the president they liked and wanted to politically protect. Secondly,
Speaker 1: the Biden Harris mass deportation airlift, although probably smaller in
Speaker 1: scale than what's coming, provides an important value for the
Speaker 1: next administration as a sound operational blueprint for those in
Speaker 1: the Trump administration who will carry it out. So if
Speaker 1: you're talking about getting rid okay of illegals, all he
Speaker 1: has to do is look to what the Biden administration
Speaker 1: is doing right now and has been doing since twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one. And joining us now is the man who
Speaker 1: wrote the article i'd just been reading from from the
Speaker 1: Center for Immigration Studies. Todd Benzman and Todd Bensman, Welcome
Speaker 1: to the show. How are you.
Speaker 2: I'm doing great? Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this piece that you wrote certainly was
Speaker 1: eye opening for me. And look, I'm a guy I
Speaker 1: read your stuff on a regular basis. I look at
Speaker 1: the Center for Immigration Study website all the time, and
Speaker 1: what are great resource CIS is, especially on issues as
Speaker 1: they relate to what's happening at the border and what's
Speaker 1: happening with immigration. But I think a lot of people
Speaker 1: are going to be shocked, and maybe even the women
Speaker 1: on the view might be shocked to learn that the
Speaker 1: Biden administration has deported over half a million people out
Speaker 1: of this country and send them back two places south
Speaker 1: of the border.
Speaker 2: That's right. I mean they didn't deport nearly enough to
Speaker 2: create a sufficient deterrent because while they were deporting all
Speaker 2: those people, they were letting everybody else in, you know, so.
Speaker 1: Well, they're coming in by the millions and being deported
Speaker 1: by the by the hundreds of thousands, so.
Speaker 2: Are by the tens of thousands. Yeah. But but my
Speaker 2: point in writing this is, you know, first of all,
Speaker 2: I reported I started reporting on the Biden deportation flights
Speaker 2: in December of twenty twenty one. Nobody was covering them.
Speaker 2: They've been going on for four months already. And these
Speaker 2: are women and children and families. These are exactly the
Speaker 2: demographics that the Democratic Party apparatus and their media collaborators
Speaker 2: are talking about now and that you're going to be
Speaker 2: hearing a lot about oh my god, they're deporting families
Speaker 2: and breaking families up or whatever, as though this is
Speaker 2: a you know, an acutely immoral act. But they have
Speaker 2: allowed the Biden administration to carry these out for years now.
Speaker 2: And I mean I'm talking about like with mothers with
Speaker 2: babes in arms kind of thing, deportations on flights to
Speaker 2: their home countries. No amnesty for them or a temporary
Speaker 2: protected status or release for them, they deported them. So
Speaker 2: you know, where is the outcry on that? Why are
Speaker 2: they sharpening the knives? Why is it evil? And you
Speaker 2: know kind of you know, recalling imagery from the Holocaust
Speaker 2: when Trump does it, but not when Biden does it.
Speaker 2: And it's happening right now, even for the next ten weeks,
Speaker 2: they'll still be doing it. One nine hundred flights just
Speaker 2: this year twenty twenty four. Each one of them holds
Speaker 2: about one hundred and ten hundred and twenty immigrants. So
Speaker 2: you know, you can do the math. There's it's you know,
Speaker 2: one hundred and he don't forget what I did the
Speaker 2: math earlier, But it's a lot of people and many
Speaker 2: of them are women and children and families of just thought,
Speaker 2: this is exactly what they're sharpening the knives for. As
Speaker 2: the Trump administration prepares to start doing, you know, these
Speaker 2: kind of deportations but in larger numbers.
Speaker 1: Well sure, and you and you know as well as
Speaker 1: I do, what is coming. We are going to see
Speaker 1: network media run heartfelt, teary eyed stories about you know,
Speaker 1: a young couple, a couple of kids living in the shadows,
Speaker 1: you know, afraid of what might happen. They're going to,
Speaker 1: you know, be forced to go back to some horrible situation.
Speaker 1: But this this is the way the media plays this up.
Speaker 1: But I go back to I go back to when
Speaker 1: Bill Clinton did his State of Union speeches and he
Speaker 1: and I remember one speech he used the term illegal alien,
Speaker 1: probably a couple of dozen times. And Bill Clinton, I think,
Speaker 1: to this this day is still one of the greatest,
Speaker 1: uh one of the greatest deporters of individuals, sending people
Speaker 1: back to where they came from. I remember when Barack
Speaker 1: Obama used to brag about about all the people that
Speaker 1: he's kicked out of the country, that he's deported, but
Speaker 1: yet you never see the harsh language for them. You
Speaker 1: never see the harsh language for Joe Biden. You only
Speaker 1: see that sort of harsh language for Donald Trump because
Speaker 1: he dares speak about this openly and honestly and saying
Speaker 1: exactly what he's going to do. And then when he
Speaker 1: appoints someone like Tom Homan to be his point man
Speaker 1: on this effort, you know that Trump is serious about
Speaker 1: what about what is going to come?
Speaker 2: Well, I can't disagree with that. And you know, there's
Speaker 2: clearly a double standard. I hope that you know Americans
Speaker 2: understand that this is a double standard. That it is.
Speaker 2: It is. It is weird, uh, and it's obvious what
Speaker 2: it is. If you know that the Democrats, traditional Democrats
Speaker 2: have always done this. There's nobody they called Obama the
Speaker 2: deporter in chief. Deportation and enforcement, border law enforcement was
Speaker 2: always just a normal Democratic party thing. The two parties
Speaker 2: never really differed much on that. It was the law,
Speaker 2: and it just diverged in twenty twenty one when Biden
Speaker 2: took office and brought with him an extreme group of
Speaker 2: progressive liberals from the migrant advocacy industry, the people that
Speaker 2: do resettlement and they make their money on doing migrant
Speaker 2: help and refugee resettlement. And all that. Those are the
Speaker 2: people he brought in, well they serve themselves. That was
Speaker 2: the ultimate self flicking ice cream cone, to bring those
Speaker 2: people in, and they set those are not normal Democrats.
Speaker 2: They set this thing off. They engineered it. It was
Speaker 2: well planned and well executed. It was not a mistake.
Speaker 2: There's nothing broken. It was done on purpose, and they
Speaker 2: knew exactly how and when to do it. That was
Speaker 2: an unusual departure from democratic norms.
Speaker 1: Todd Bensman. A couple of days after the election, I know,
Speaker 1: I read a story about a giant migrant caravan that
Speaker 1: was headed towards the United States and time to be
Speaker 1: here just right at or just shortly after the election.
Speaker 1: But I also read that this caravan, once it was
Speaker 1: known that Trump was the winner of the election, largely dissipated,
Speaker 1: Maybe as many as half of three hundred thousand people
Speaker 1: gave up on this and said, what's the use of
Speaker 1: going in if Trump is going to be the president?
Speaker 1: What can you tell us about that situation.
Speaker 2: It's a little bit more complicated than that. You have
Speaker 2: to remember that in December of last year, almost a
Speaker 2: year ago, Biden went down there and he sent his
Speaker 2: chief lieutenants down there and cut a deal with Mexico
Speaker 2: to do a big military op to round up tens
Speaker 2: of thousands of migrants from the northern borderlands and haul
Speaker 2: them down to the Guatemala border and trap them down
Speaker 2: there and not let anybody in, not let anybody, or
Speaker 2: let as few as possible through. During the American campaigns,
Speaker 2: they did not want to provide video footage to the
Speaker 2: Trump you know campaign advertising machine, right, And so they
Speaker 2: held him back there. It's called Operation Carousel, very very effective.
Speaker 2: The numbers dropped by half and then you know, sometimes
Speaker 2: seventy and eighty percent from what they were. And I
Speaker 2: thought that it was really only good till through election day, right,
Speaker 2: And I think the immigrants figured it was only good
Speaker 2: through election day. So a bunch of caravans started forming
Speaker 2: up in the days leading up to election day, and
Speaker 2: then actually on election day to test whether the Mexican
Speaker 2: government was going to hold him back, would they keep
Speaker 2: holding him back or let him through, And it looked
Speaker 2: like they were going to let him through. It was
Speaker 2: a big test of willingness or commitment by the new
Speaker 2: Mexican government where they're going to hold him back. And
Speaker 2: then on Monday, the day before the election, Donald Trump
Speaker 2: came out at one of his campaign rallies and says,
Speaker 2: don't you dare if you let them through, I'm going
Speaker 2: to put when I'm in office, immediately twenty five percent
Speaker 2: tariffs on all your trade goods coming into the US.
Speaker 2: And if I don't like what's happening still, it'll be
Speaker 2: fifty percent, and then seventy five percent, and then one
Speaker 2: hundred percent until it stops. So right then is when
Speaker 2: the caravan said he looked like they were getting blocked.
Speaker 2: I think we're going to let him through. And people
Speaker 2: just gave up then because it looked like the Mexican's
Speaker 2: weren'ting to let him through. That's what I think really
Speaker 2: happens a little bit more nuanced, yeah, than you know,
Speaker 2: but I think that's what's going on right now. Operation
Speaker 2: Carousel will be permanent or semi for the next four
Speaker 2: years once Trump's office, because he's going to insist on it,
Speaker 2: and he's probably going to insist that they go even harder,
Speaker 2: more resources, seal it up even more, and on pain
Speaker 2: of the tariff threat.
Speaker 1: Todd Bensman before, we've only got about thirty seconds here,
Speaker 1: but probably not a great question to ask here. But
Speaker 1: I had a caller who called, and who said, what's
Speaker 1: the net benefit to the American people? Instead of just
Speaker 1: declaring amnesty for all the However many illegals are here,
Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty twenty five million, whatever the number is,
Speaker 1: why not just declare amnesty and let that go, or
Speaker 1: at least engaging in this, I said, I think is
Speaker 1: worth the effort. Give me one net benefit that America
Speaker 1: is going to see if we do, in fact, are
Speaker 1: able to carry out this deportation of multi millions of
Speaker 1: illegals in this country.
Speaker 2: Well, I can give you two. The first one is
Speaker 2: a national security and public safety benefit. Most of the
Speaker 2: people that we let in millions are total strangers. A
Speaker 2: percentage of them are criminal aliens. They've committed crimes in
Speaker 2: their home countries, and here it came back and we
Speaker 2: got to get We don't know who they all are,
Speaker 2: but we got to get rid of them. And number
Speaker 2: two is, if you grant amnesty, then what you're telling
Speaker 2: the world is get yourself in here, and one day
Speaker 2: we'll grant you amnesty too. And it creates this incredibly powerful,
Speaker 2: irresistible draw the Americans are doing these amnesties again, we
Speaker 2: can get in. We'll probably get in under one of
Speaker 2: those in a year or two or whatever. So it's
Speaker 2: just Amnesty's lore immigrants in from around the world for
Speaker 2: the next one. That's the problem with amnesties. They cause
Speaker 2: mass migration.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the misery and the chaos and the human
Speaker 1: suffering that comes along with that with so many people
Speaker 1: trying to get into this country illegally is a whole
Speaker 1: nother portion of that story. But Todd Bensman Center for
Speaker 1: Immigration Studies, awesome website, Keep up the great work. And
Speaker 1: I always appreciate the time that you give us here
Speaker 1: on seven hundred WLW, not just me but the other
Speaker 1: hosts on this station. But always great to have you on, Todd,
Speaker 1: and I hope we can do it again before too long.
Speaker 2: Glad to be here anytime.
Speaker 1: All right, there you go, the one and only Todd
Speaker 1: Bensman from the Center for CIS Center for Immigration Studies.
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