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<v Speaker 1>This is doctor Wendy Walsh and you're listening to k

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<v Speaker 1>I AM six forty, the Doctor Wendy wallsh Show on

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<v Speaker 1>demand on the iHeartRadio app. Welcome to the Doctor Wendy

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<v Speaker 1>Walls Show on I AM six forty live everywhere on

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<v Speaker 1>the iHeartRadio App. Okay, if you have been listening to

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<v Speaker 1>my show for the ten years ten years. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to be ten years in September, which is

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<v Speaker 1>like in a minute, ten years that I've been on

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<v Speaker 1>k I AM six forty. You know that I have

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<v Speaker 1>a PhD in clinical psychology. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>psychology professor, not a therapist.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm a little bit obsessed with the science of love.

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<v Speaker 1>I have spent three decades of my life reading every

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of scientific research that there is on dating, mating,

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<v Speaker 1>and relating and the wide spectrum of how people couple

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<v Speaker 1>up or triple up or whatever it may be with

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<v Speaker 1>them right, And I feel like I've educated myself very well.

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<v Speaker 1>I also feel that I've done a very good job

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<v Speaker 1>of taking scientific information and turning it into language everybody

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<v Speaker 1>can understand. And I want to be very clear, this

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<v Speaker 1>does not mean that I dumb anything down. This means

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<v Speaker 1>that I try my best to not use psychobabble and

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<v Speaker 1>instead just say, in plain English, this is what the

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<v Speaker 1>research says. Now, why you might ask have I spent

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<v Speaker 1>three decades of my life studying this subject and continuing

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<v Speaker 1>to do so, And I will tell you it is

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<v Speaker 1>because I had so many relationship problems in my own life,

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<v Speaker 1>from a young woman onwards. I have been when people say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>have you been married, have you been divorced? Have you

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<v Speaker 1>ever really had an affair? One?

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<v Speaker 2>Have you been?

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<v Speaker 1>I've been everything from a mistress to a girlfriend, to

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<v Speaker 1>a wife, to a live in girlfriend, to a divorcea

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<v Speaker 1>to a survivor of domestic violence, a survivor of financial abuse.

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<v Speaker 1>And you're like, well, it sounds like that that's all

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<v Speaker 1>your fault and your poor choices that you made. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I did make a few porn choices. Are you holding

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<v Speaker 1>your pearls when you say that poor choices? Because they

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<v Speaker 1>were unconscious choices. And I want us to all stop

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<v Speaker 1>judging each other and understand that our model for love,

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<v Speaker 1>our idea in our head for love, is formed in

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<v Speaker 1>the first three years of life, and then we go

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<v Speaker 1>out in our adul romantic life and we say, hmm,

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<v Speaker 1>that person feels familiar. You know, love is not about

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<v Speaker 1>finding happiness, it's not about finding pleasure. Love is about

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<v Speaker 1>finding the familiar. And sadly, through most of my decades

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<v Speaker 1>of single life and married life and living in life

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<v Speaker 1>and divorce life and single mother life and everything else,

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<v Speaker 1>I was finding the familiar in people who would leave

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<v Speaker 1>me with feelings of loss abandonment, sometimes highly criticized, because

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<v Speaker 1>in my early life that was what love felt like.

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<v Speaker 1>You see, kids are going to love their parents no

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<v Speaker 1>matter what. And this is not to put down my parents.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I had great parents. Like every parent, they

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<v Speaker 1>did the best they could with the tools they had.

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<v Speaker 1>But because of life circumstances, my dad was in the navy,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was gone. He was gone more than six

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<v Speaker 1>to eight months a year, in a very inconsistent pattern,

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<v Speaker 1>gone for three weeks, back for two days, gone for

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<v Speaker 1>three months, back for three weeks. You know, it was craziness.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is the nineteen sixties where there was nobody

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<v Speaker 1>had help.

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<v Speaker 2>The village wasn't there.

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<v Speaker 1>We were always sort of the strangers moving around all

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<v Speaker 1>the time. There was no giant village of cousins because

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<v Speaker 1>we were moving so much, and so half time, my

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<v Speaker 1>frazzled mother with three children under the age of three,

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<v Speaker 1>stop right there, three children under the age of three,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure would leave the three of us in a

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<v Speaker 1>playpen while she would just go vacuum to tune out

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<v Speaker 1>the screaming. And I was at the bottom of the

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<v Speaker 1>toddler tumble because I was the only girl. So I

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<v Speaker 1>had brothers who were doing very naturally normal, high testosterone brotherly.

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<v Speaker 2>Things like beating me up.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's my model for love, longing for a man

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<v Speaker 1>who would come back and save me, but being pummeled

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<v Speaker 1>by what was there at the moment. Now, nobody's fault here.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the nineteen sixties. The term parenting as a

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<v Speaker 1>verb was never even coined until the nineteen seventies. It

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't something you did. It was just you were a

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<v Speaker 1>parent because there was a git around. But you didn't parent.

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<v Speaker 1>You didn't try to enrich their lives, you didn't try

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<v Speaker 1>to help shape their mental health. You just fed them

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<v Speaker 1>until they got up. Right was the time. And so

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<v Speaker 1>after many many decades suffering all kinds of relationships that

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<v Speaker 1>you would judge me is for making poor choices. I

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<v Speaker 1>went to therapy. I was in therapy on and off

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<v Speaker 1>for eighteen years, and I learned about myself and I

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<v Speaker 1>shared everything in my books. I've written three books about relationships.

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<v Speaker 1>I did a dissertation on attachment theory. I know more

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<v Speaker 1>about attachment theory as it relates to me than maybe

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<v Speaker 1>even my therapist. So the question is why did I

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<v Speaker 1>study it? Because I was obsessed with healing myself. But

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time, I knew that I wasn't alone,

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<v Speaker 1>that other people were struggling men and women with attachment

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<v Speaker 1>I need to use the word disorders, but attachment pain,

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<v Speaker 1>attachment injuries. And I am so happy to tell you.

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<v Speaker 1>If you've been following me, you know that back in December,

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<v Speaker 1>I proposed to my boyfriend live on air. We've been

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<v Speaker 1>together four years, and this weekend we tied the knot.

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<v Speaker 1>We got married. Yes, I'm missus now. No I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>taking his name, and no he's not taking my name.

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<v Speaker 1>Why was I able to make this commitment Because I

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<v Speaker 1>reached a stage in my personal journey where I could

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<v Speaker 1>tolerate kindness, where I could learn to accept care and

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<v Speaker 1>know that it was okay and that I deserved it.

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<v Speaker 1>And the world wasn't going to fall apart and he

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't going to abandon me. But it was a very

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<v Speaker 1>long journey for me. And the reason why I continue

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<v Speaker 1>to do this show, continue to talk about relationships is

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<v Speaker 1>because I want everyone to have the feeling I have,

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<v Speaker 1>and that feeling is trust, security, and a sense of calmness.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we are all also to people of a certain age,

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<v Speaker 1>and people's needs change across the lifespan when they're choosing partners.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, when till Death Do Us part was invented,

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<v Speaker 1>death was pretty imminent, and if you're having a kind

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<v Speaker 1>of grayish marriage.

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<v Speaker 2>Death might be pretty imminent.

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<v Speaker 1>He hates it when I make that joke, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>but I love it because a relationship is an exchange

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<v Speaker 1>of care, and care can take many different forms, and

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<v Speaker 1>the care that we're both anticipating in the future is

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<v Speaker 1>real care in the last third of our lives. So anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>congratulations to me, Congratulations to my wonderful new husband. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, husband, I can't believe I'm saying that after

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<v Speaker 1>all these years. All right, on this show, I want

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<v Speaker 1>to talk a bit a lot about love here and there,

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<v Speaker 1>but also stay tuned because I have a very special

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<v Speaker 1>guest at the end of the show, Who's going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to us about not only ray marriage, but gray divorce. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to prevent that. Okay, gray divorce. Hey, it

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<v Speaker 1>may be natural for some, but not if you've got

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<v Speaker 1>married when you're already gray. Look, I'm not gray. I

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<v Speaker 1>color my hair. I just want to say, you can't

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<v Speaker 1>even see a gray hair. You're listening to the Doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Wendy Walls Show on KFI AM six forty.

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<v Speaker 2>We're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.

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<v Speaker 3>You're listening to Doctor Wendy Walsh on demand from KFI

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<v Speaker 3>AM six forty.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Doctor Wendy Walls Show on k

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<v Speaker 1>I AM six forty. We're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. So,

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<v Speaker 1>if you follow me on social media, specifically TikTok, you

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<v Speaker 1>know that I've got a million followers.

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<v Speaker 2>You know probably if you've been following me for a while,

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<v Speaker 2>that my brand is slowly in transition. So here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>When you get stuck in one space on social media,

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<v Speaker 1>it becomes everything. And the truth is, I'm so much

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<v Speaker 1>more than relationship advice. Although I love to give relationship advice.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's my theory.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, about my little identity transformation here. During

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<v Speaker 1>all the years that I was single and had attachment

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<v Speaker 1>injuries and was in therapy and was in graduate school,

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<v Speaker 1>trying to put an intellectual eye on love to ultimately

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<v Speaker 1>heal myself right, And so I wrote three books on relationships.

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<v Speaker 1>I did a dissertation on attachment theory. I became obsessed

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<v Speaker 1>with our romantic attachment style and how we could heal

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<v Speaker 1>early life trauma that could lead to us finding constantly

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<v Speaker 1>being attracted to partners who hurt us. So I really

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<v Speaker 1>walked my walk. I don't know if you've ever heard

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<v Speaker 1>that saying. I think it's from the book Jonathan Livingston

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<v Speaker 1>segul we teach best what we most need to learn,

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<v Speaker 1>And so I would every time I would learn something new.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, my career as a journalist a real

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<v Speaker 1>taught me how to take scientific information and put it

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<v Speaker 1>into language everybody could understand. So I blogged, and I

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<v Speaker 1>do podcasts, and I go on radio, and I write

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<v Speaker 1>books and I talk about wow, this aha moment, Oh

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<v Speaker 1>my gosh, just well, look what I learned. People with

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<v Speaker 1>an avoidant attachment style are mostly attracted to people with

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<v Speaker 1>an anxious attachment style, and there's this constant running all

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<v Speaker 1>the time in their relationship and nobody's really happy. But

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<v Speaker 1>those relationships tend to last a really long time, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, because the running becomes the glue instead of

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<v Speaker 1>emotional intimacy. Anyway, that would be one example of what

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<v Speaker 1>I might have put in a TikTok video. So when

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<v Speaker 1>I met my fiance during the pandemic and we you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I continued to do all the things I've been teaching

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<v Speaker 1>you guys for the last ten years on KFI. I

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<v Speaker 1>did them. I did them because I've been teaching them.

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<v Speaker 1>We teach best what we most need to learn. And

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<v Speaker 1>I was able to build a secure attachment for the

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<v Speaker 1>first time in my life. I literally this morning, we

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<v Speaker 1>were in bed and I said I was going somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>for the day and he was going somewhere for the day,

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<v Speaker 1>and I said, oh, I'm not going to see you

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<v Speaker 1>all day and he's and I said, I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>I've ever had this kind of feeling where I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>even want to take a day off from somebody, And

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<v Speaker 1>he said me either, never had this feeling. So now

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<v Speaker 1>that I have what's called a secure attachment, I find

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<v Speaker 1>myself just a little a little less interested in lot,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, hardcore relationship advice, although you'll notice coming up

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<v Speaker 1>later in the show, I have a lot of stuff

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<v Speaker 1>for happily together couples to keep it happily together. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So we're going to talk about whether a relationship can

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<v Speaker 1>survive cheating. Ten topics you should be talking about to

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<v Speaker 1>make your relationship stronger, et cetera. I'm still learning that, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>still keeping it with you. But anyway, So on TikTok, lately,

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<v Speaker 1>you know i'd circle around. I say this to my

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<v Speaker 1>students too. I get off on side railroad trains of

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<v Speaker 1>stories and then I circle it back. We're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>social media and kids. So on my TikTok, I've been

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<v Speaker 1>doing lots of videos talking about how I'm changing, And

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<v Speaker 1>one of the videos is describing a road trip I

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<v Speaker 1>took during COVID with two teenagers to eight different states,

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<v Speaker 1>and I at one.

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<v Speaker 2>I've attended many Black Lives Matter.

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<v Speaker 1>Protests because it was during those days, and one of

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<v Speaker 1>then they said they don't allow pew pews. That's the code,

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently that means again anywhere on TikTok. So I was

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<v Speaker 2>All very true.

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<v Speaker 1>in those videos as long as possible. The research is

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<v Speaker 1>that sugar when we're the ones feeding it to you? Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So they're addicted. They're addicted mom and dad. So technology, now,

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<v Speaker 1>forty four changes across different platforms to improve youth safety

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<v Speaker 1>It's also using machine learning to identify bullying photos. I

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<v Speaker 1>Also, YouTube is now going to alert users when their

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<v Speaker 1>promises to remove hate speech now. Privacy is another issue right.

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<v Speaker 1>Not that I send dms to minors anyway. And it

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<v Speaker 1>miners who are more than two years younger than they are,

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<v Speaker 1>the age of eighteen, but if you're nineteen, you could

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen year olds and their girlfriends from going to

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<v Speaker 1>other thing they're trying to do is improve time management.

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<v Speaker 1>They have to search and select the new one, which

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<v Speaker 1>people like, you've been on too long, But I'm telling

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<v Speaker 1>you that doesn't work. There's this guy on TikTok who

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<v Speaker 1>for too long, and as soon as I see him.

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<v Speaker 2>I just swipe past him. So I don't really think

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<v Speaker 2>that works.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, speaking of social media, when we come back, there's

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<v Speaker 1>an unlikely social media platform you probably use every single

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<v Speaker 1>day that's now the number one platform being used to

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<v Speaker 1>find love. Let's talk about how you could use it

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<v Speaker 1>if you're single. When we come back, you are listening

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<v Speaker 1>to the Doctor Wendy Walls Show on k I Am

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<v Speaker 1>six forty We're live everywhere on the iHeart app.

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<v Speaker 3>You're listening to Doctor Wendy Walsh on demand from KFI

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<v Speaker 3>AM six forty.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Doctor Wendy Walls Show on KFI

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<v Speaker 1>AM six forty. Well, the way that people meet and

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<v Speaker 1>mate in the mating marketplace seems to have changed. I

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<v Speaker 1>think people are getting sick of traditional dating apps. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know why, by the way, because I used Bumble

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<v Speaker 1>and I found my love on Bumble. But I do

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<v Speaker 1>want to say this, it's not about the dating apps

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<v Speaker 1>that are bad. People always say I hate the dating apps.

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<v Speaker 2>They're bad.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not about the apps, it's about the skill. And

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<v Speaker 1>I've done lots of segments in the past where I

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<v Speaker 1>talked about how to use dating apps. Well, I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to continue to continue to teach that, so stay with me. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I do this Patreon zoom group every Wednesday

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<v Speaker 1>night at six thirty, So if you ever want to

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<v Speaker 1>come on, you can ask me any questions about dating apps,

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<v Speaker 1>et cetera. I'll be happy to even weigh in on

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<v Speaker 1>your profile. I'll tell you what you can do. But

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<v Speaker 1>new research this week from datingnews dot Com also published

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<v Speaker 1>on Datingadvice dot com says that the number one platform

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<v Speaker 1>that people are looking.

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<v Speaker 2>For mates on is Kayla. You're not going to believe this.

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<v Speaker 1>LinkedIn really LinkedIn the business more on Instagram? Uh huh wow,

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<v Speaker 1>more than Instagram. Okay, So let's talk about dating and

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<v Speaker 1>mating in the workplace. According to research from getnuxs dot org,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two percent of married couples in America met through

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<v Speaker 1>work and fifty two percent of employees have been involved

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<v Speaker 2>Uh huh.

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<v Speaker 1>A survey from the Society for Human Resource Management, they

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<v Speaker 1>found that a quarter there's about twenty five percent, folks.

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<v Speaker 1>One in four of US workers reported that they are

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<v Speaker 1>open to having a workplace romance. And just last year,

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<v Speaker 1>someone they worked with. Now, this is a problem because

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<v Speaker 1>we are post me too now hashtag me too. Human

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<v Speaker 1>resources departments know that romances at the workplace can be

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<v Speaker 1>a legal nightmare. So it kind of makes sense to

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<v Speaker 1>me that LinkedIn has exploded as an online mating marketplace.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's think about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Since the pandemic, everyone had to pivot right and go

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<v Speaker 1>online for everything their work, et cetera. So people moved

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<v Speaker 1>from water cooler conversations at the office to emails, DM zooms,

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<v Speaker 1>even online networking events. I'm going to go out on

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<v Speaker 1>that evolutionary psychologists would argue that the whole darn reason

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<v Speaker 1>why people have occupations, professions, and work is less about

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<v Speaker 2>Let me tell you.

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<v Speaker 1>When I was on the dating apps, there was no

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<v Speaker 1>such thing as an employee, no such thing as a coworker.

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<v Speaker 1>There were founders, vps, managers, consultants. I mean, I had

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<v Speaker 1>a handyman once and I said, what do you put

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<v Speaker 2>And he goes, oh, that I'm in construction management. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>why not? That's what people do now.

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<v Speaker 1>If you compare a LinkedIn profile with a dating app profile,

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<v Speaker 1>you get so much more. In LinkedIn, you can do

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<v Speaker 1>a deep dive into somebody's background. You could estimate their income,

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<v Speaker 1>even might mention their hobbies, any volunteer work they do.

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<v Speaker 2>Schooling is a good one.

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<v Speaker 1>What if they went to your alma Mada and you

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<v Speaker 1>or what if they're from your hometown. All that is

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<v Speaker 1>in most LinkedIn profiles. So here are the best benefits

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<v Speaker 1>from meeting on LinkedIn. In my opinion, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>tell you the best way to do it. After this

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<v Speaker 1>Number one, you can find someone with real world common interest.

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<v Speaker 1>to call the pithy self promotion that people write on

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<v Speaker 1>dating app profiles. I mean, who doesn't love sunset, walks

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<v Speaker 1>Let's go hiking right now. Another benefit of LinkedIn is

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<v Speaker 1>that you can really vet people. I know that the

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<v Speaker 1>dating apps in recent years allow people to connect their

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<v Speaker 1>profiles with their Instagram profiles, so you can kind of

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<v Speaker 1>see who their friends are. See if you know someone

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<v Speaker 1>in common, but on LinkedIn, their professional network is right

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<v Speaker 1>there before your eyes. You can investigate them through real

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<v Speaker 1>world contexts. You can look at their comments, you can

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<v Speaker 1>see who they're reviewing. And here's the best part about LinkedIn.

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<v Speaker 1>Just want to say it, get it out there. There's

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<v Speaker 1>no HR policy to worry about. Since the advent, as

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<v Speaker 1>I mentioned of the me too movement, workplace romances have

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<v Speaker 1>become a nightmare for human resource departments. Many companies have

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<v Speaker 1>even enacted love contracts or complete romance prohibitions in their

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<v Speaker 1>employment contracts. So so far, I mean until next month,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I don't know. LinkedIn doesn't have any HR

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, I do want to say this, do

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<v Speaker 1>not send a private DM to a stranger on LinkedIn

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<v Speaker 1>with anything flirty. You wouldn't do it if you met

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<v Speaker 1>somebody in a restaurant or a grocery store. Why would

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<v Speaker 1>you do it online? So the first thing you do

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<v Speaker 1>if you identify somebody who's attractive to you is you

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<v Speaker 1>follow them, and then you become a watcher. You follow

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<v Speaker 1>them and you ask yourself what posts are they commenting on?

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<v Speaker 1>How active are they on the site. What can you

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<v Speaker 1>learn about them by what they're posting? Just watch them

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<v Speaker 1>for a while and it sounds creepy, but this is

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<v Speaker 1>what people do. Okay a second. Now you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>enlist your mutual connections. They have a thing on LinkedIn

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<v Speaker 1>mutual connections. You click on them and you see who

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<v Speaker 1>any of those people to get some information? Could you

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<v Speaker 1>so singled you know? Or could you introduce me or whatever?

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<v Speaker 2>You can? You see the network right there.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, when you get brave, you can finally send a

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<v Speaker 1>private message. Now, please make it short and sweet and

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<v Speaker 1>keep the topic on business at first. Include a mention

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<v Speaker 1>of whatever your common interest is. You know, maybe you

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<v Speaker 1>have the same you work for the same charity, you

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<v Speaker 1>went to the same university, whatever, same hometown, whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>But don't be flirty.

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<v Speaker 1>It's creepy when a complete stranger sends a flirty kind

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<v Speaker 1>of DM, and then all you do is you watch

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<v Speaker 1>for their response. Do they reciprocate? When they reciprocate, do

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<v Speaker 1>they extend the conversation by asking you a question? If

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<v Speaker 1>they're Kurt short perfunctory or worse, completely silent. You got

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<v Speaker 1>your answer, don't pursue further. Okay, silence is an answer.

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<v Speaker 1>And then my suggestion would be getting the real world fast,

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<v Speaker 1>find a professional pretense to get on the phone or

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<v Speaker 1>zoom and then you know. Then you got the advantage

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<v Speaker 1>of visuals right and voice, and your brain will be

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<v Speaker 1>able to pull in more information about whether this person

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<v Speaker 1>is right for you. So then it gets back to

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<v Speaker 1>real world dating. That's how you do it. Don't be creepy,

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<v Speaker 1>keep it light, keep it on business. You want to

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<v Speaker 1>keep them as a business contact if it doesn't work out, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But I totally understand why people are doing it. Alrighty,

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<v Speaker 1>when we come back, let us talk on the same

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<v Speaker 1>note about why your company needs a love contract, because

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<v Speaker 1>there's some Shenana agains going on when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>love in real world workplaces.

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<v Speaker 2>You are listening to the Doctor wendywallsh Show on KFI

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<v Speaker 2>AM six forty. We're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.

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<v Speaker 3>You're listening to Doctor Wendy Walsh on demand from KFI

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<v Speaker 3>AM six forty.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Doctor Wendy Walls Show on k

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<v Speaker 1>I AM six forty we're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, in life and in our culture, rules are

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<v Speaker 1>changing all the time, and it's really important that we

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<v Speaker 1>keep up with the changes in our culture. Remember, the

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<v Speaker 1>very existence of a human being is every day and

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes in every moment, making a decision between your personal

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<v Speaker 1>survival you might call it selfishness and the survival of

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<v Speaker 1>the tribe. Because we are not meant to be alone.

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<v Speaker 1>We are wired to bond, we are wired to have

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<v Speaker 1>social support. In fact, the worst thing for humans is isolation.

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<v Speaker 1>We learned that during quarantine, and so we also have

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<v Speaker 1>to keep our ear to the ground of the tribe

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<v Speaker 1>says is acceptable. You know, before the break, I was

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<v Speaker 1>talking about how LinkedIn is now one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>powerful platforms where people are finding love, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's sort of a digital way of people moving away

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<v Speaker 1>from being direct in workplaces. In workplaces, it is very

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<v Speaker 1>important that we understand that people need to feel safe

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<v Speaker 1>in a work environment. Now that doesn't mean that you

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<v Speaker 1>cannot meet somebody at work, but it does mean that

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<v Speaker 1>if you do make an overture to somebody, who better

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<v Speaker 1>be on your level, meaning not somebody under you, and

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<v Speaker 1>you're the manager, Okay, can't do that. That's sexual harassment

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<v Speaker 1>for sure. If you hold any kind of power over

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<v Speaker 1>a person, influence even for a promotion, their paycheck, whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't ask.

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<v Speaker 2>Them out, just don't, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>But if they're in another department and on around the

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<v Speaker 1>same level, of course you might meet somebody. However, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't want them to feel uncomfortable. So if you make

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<v Speaker 1>a little overture and it's not responded to, then move away.

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<v Speaker 1>That's actually I think employment lawyers would agree with me

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<v Speaker 1>that that's not considered sexual harassment. Sexual harassment is continual

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<v Speaker 1>or it is quid pro crow. If you don't do this,

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<v Speaker 1>then you're not going to get this promotion, or it's

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<v Speaker 1>like this toxic environment where you're constantly people are making

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<v Speaker 1>comments about your body all the time. Right. I have

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<v Speaker 1>a coworker, not here, not here, at another place who

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<v Speaker 1>always mentions if I've lost weight or gained weight every

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<v Speaker 1>time I see them, And I don't know if you're

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<v Speaker 1>aware that women lose and gain four or five pounds

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<v Speaker 1>on a regular basis. That's just our life. That's what

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<v Speaker 1>women do, and it irritates me every time. So I

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<v Speaker 1>finally de tend to gently say, hey, you know, nowadays

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<v Speaker 1>we don't talk about women's bodies at all in the workplace.

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<v Speaker 2>It just like I said, it real sweet and cute

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<v Speaker 2>and he stopped. So there you go.

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<v Speaker 1>So many companies to protect themselves from all the sexual

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<v Speaker 1>harassment lawsuits that have flown around is they write a

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<v Speaker 1>love content tract for their employees. Now, these things have

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<v Speaker 1>been used for decades, but since the Me Too movement

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty seventeen, their use is pretty widespread in a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of industries. It's essentially a legal document. It's signed

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<v Speaker 1>by two employees who are having a romantic relationship, and

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<v Speaker 1>your original employment contract might say something like if you

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<v Speaker 1>enter into a romantic relationship in the workplace, you must

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<v Speaker 1>report it to HR and then you will be asked

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<v Speaker 1>to sign a love contract. The whole reason it's designed

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<v Speaker 1>to protect the company from claims right and also from

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<v Speaker 1>other coworkers witnessing. Would you guys get going on and

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<v Speaker 1>calling that a hostile work environment. There is nothing more

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<v Speaker 1>uncomfortable when you're trying to get your job done to

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<v Speaker 1>see two colleagues canoodling over by the water cooler. So

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<v Speaker 1>the love contract might have rules about that too, So

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<v Speaker 1>The love contract should prohibit all kinds of sexual harassment

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<v Speaker 1>as I mentioned, including quid pro quo and toxic environment.

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<v Speaker 1>They also make you both admit that the relationship is

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<v Speaker 1>consensual and that it won't have a negative impact on

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<v Speaker 1>your work at all. It also may include the possibility

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<v Speaker 1>of department transfer. So if you do fall in love

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<v Speaker 1>with the office and you do report it to HR

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<v Speaker 1>as you were told you're supposed to do, one of

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<v Speaker 1>you might have to be transferred. That might just be

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<v Speaker 1>a rule. At our company, their HR department says, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not talking about our company, iHeart. I mean they're

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<v Speaker 1>whatever high hypothetical company I'm talking about. Their HR department

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<v Speaker 1>might say, here, at our company, as soon as you

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<v Speaker 1>admit that you're in a romantic relationship, one of you've

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<v Speaker 1>got to go, not leave the company, but will facilitate

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<v Speaker 1>a transfer. It also this istant important part. So relationships

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<v Speaker 1>at the office usually aren't so bad until it ends right,

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<v Speaker 1>and then people don't want to work with the person

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a.

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<v Speaker 2>Toxic environment there.

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<v Speaker 1>So the love contract might include things about what happens

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<v Speaker 1>that ends that protects employees from inappropriate conduct retaliation.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, of course, love.

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<v Speaker 1>Contracts are going to include limitations on public displays of

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<v Speaker 1>affection at the office.

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<v Speaker 2>This is gross. Don't be kissing in the hallway, that's

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<v Speaker 2>just weird.

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<v Speaker 1>So according to research, there are plenty of reasons why

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<v Speaker 1>HR departments need to have love contracts. One study showed

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<v Speaker 1>that one in four employees are open to having an

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<v Speaker 1>office romance, and one in five married couples in America

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<v Speaker 1>actually met at work. So even if you do lay

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<v Speaker 1>down the law and attempt to say enforce a no workplace.

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<v Speaker 2>Dating at all rule, that rule is going to be broken.

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<v Speaker 1>There are exceptions in love contracts, like you can't date subordinates.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a lose lose for the subordinate. You got to

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<v Speaker 1>know that. And also remember, love gets messy. There's gossip

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<v Speaker 1>around the office. It's going to happen when it starts.

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<v Speaker 1>There could be envy, jealousy, resentment.

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<v Speaker 2>Ugly breakups.

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<v Speaker 1>This can be a big problem for companies and for

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<v Speaker 1>HR departments. So it's really important that to avoid all

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<v Speaker 1>this drama that companies set up some specific guidelines.

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<v Speaker 2>I personally think it's a great idea.

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<v Speaker 1>I think in everybody's employment of contract it should be Look,

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<v Speaker 1>if you date anybody at the office. You've got to

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<v Speaker 1>disclose it to us, and if you don't, then that

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<v Speaker 1>could lead to termination of your contract. And then if

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<v Speaker 1>you do, you'll be asked to sign a love contract

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<v Speaker 1>in some way. Let's face it, workplace romances are land mines, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're doing it like one in four people, right,

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<v Speaker 1>it's so crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>All right.

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<v Speaker 1>When we come back, I'm going to go to my

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<v Speaker 1>social media and I'm going to be answering some of.

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<v Speaker 2>Your relationship questions.

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<v Speaker 1>The handle everywhere is at doctor Wendy Walsh, at Dr

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<v Speaker 1>Wendy Walsh, Instagram, YouTube, TikTok wherever. Just send me a message.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to say your name on air, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>keep it private, but send me a question. I'll be

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<v Speaker 1>happy to answer it. You are listening to the Doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Wendy Walls Show on KFI AM six forty We Live

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<v Speaker 1>everywhere on.

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<v Speaker 2>The iHeartRadio app.

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<v Speaker 1>You've been listening to Doctor Wendy Walsh. You can always

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