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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome to the show.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the Cult of Conspiracy, and I am the

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<v Speaker 2>Cage tonight and today. Yeah, I know we're still doing

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<v Speaker 2>our series with the underground Cities and all of the things. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>But through a weird change of events, I found myself

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<v Speaker 2>doing some research into a topic that apparently everybody knew about,

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<v Speaker 2>but I sure as hell never had. And the more

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<v Speaker 2>I looked into it, the more I realized, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think many people actually know about this. So I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to paint you a picture.

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<v Speaker 1>Ravenly.

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<v Speaker 2>It is the year two thousand, right, y two K,

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<v Speaker 2>all the things going on. Everybody was worried that the

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<v Speaker 2>computer systems were all going to shut down at midnight

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<v Speaker 2>on y two K because somehow these.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought the world was Spacien and not the computers.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was just end.

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<v Speaker 2>I heard so many stories, some say that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>all the volcanoes are going to erupt because they have to,

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<v Speaker 2>because you know, volcanoes totally keep track on what year

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<v Speaker 2>a D we're currently living in because.

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<v Speaker 1>Nature, you know, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was the thing I heard a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>All I heard was going to end like that. That

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<v Speaker 1>was it, Like that was armageddon, like we're just gonna die.

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<v Speaker 2>The more prominent theory that I remember hearing, and then

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<v Speaker 2>more of the uh of the research I've done into

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<v Speaker 2>Y two K was primarily around computers. They thought that

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<v Speaker 2>the banking systems, our defense systems, the stocks, all that

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<v Speaker 2>were going to just tank at midnight because well, you know, computers,

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<v Speaker 2>they're not rigged to be able to read past nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>ninety nine. It's like a thing. They were never programmed

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<v Speaker 2>for that.

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<v Speaker 1>And so to us now, we're thinking, unfortunately they survived.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, we're from our perspective today, we're thinking, like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>computer can definitely go to the next like it would

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<v Speaker 2>just go over to January first, two thousand, like it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's well within its capabilities to make a calendar, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what I mean. But to the people of nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>ninety nine, this was the wildest shit they'd ever thought of.

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<v Speaker 2>And then that was like a part of the zeitgeist.

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<v Speaker 2>Somebody somewhere once said, oh, you know, Windows ninety nine,

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<v Speaker 2>they don't have a Windows two thousand, they're only programmed

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<v Speaker 2>to go to that far. And everybody was like, oh

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<v Speaker 2>my god, that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>And it just ran and it just became a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's weird how some of the things spread, like wildfire

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<v Speaker 1>that you don't really like. How did that even happen?

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<v Speaker 1>But that was the first time I ever watched Independence

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<v Speaker 1>Day was like the Y two K.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, at a Y two K party, you watched the

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<v Speaker 2>movie where the aliens invade Earth?

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<v Speaker 1>Like, maybe that's why I have a think about aliens

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit, just a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>No, we're at my friend's house down the street.

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<v Speaker 2>They they were a mere child, five years old and

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<v Speaker 2>five were you talking trying to make you younger chick?

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<v Speaker 2>Which is fucking yeah? Sure, five years old? Why two

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<v Speaker 2>K is going down?

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<v Speaker 1>Five years old?

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<v Speaker 2>Fine, thirty years old?

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<v Speaker 1>Why two K? Here we go?

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<v Speaker 2>You know what, there's no pleasing these fucking people.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't sixty two years old? Eight years It's been eighty

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<v Speaker 1>four years. You know what? It was a Titanic moment. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god. First of all, fuck that old bitch.

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<v Speaker 1>You know that bitch could have moved over. Okay, you've

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<v Speaker 1>seen the diagrams. I know you have, because I've seen them.

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<v Speaker 1>Even all that, all.

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<v Speaker 2>That, I'm not saying I could forgive I could have

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<v Speaker 2>moved over. No, I'm not saying I could forgive her

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<v Speaker 2>letting Jack drown. No, I can't forget none of that. Fine,

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<v Speaker 2>but the at least at the very end, have a

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<v Speaker 2>redemption arc where you give this jewel, the heart, the

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<v Speaker 2>heart of the sea, heart of the ocean, whatever the fuck.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't matter, It doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not real.

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<v Speaker 2>But like the whole thing that was supposed to fund

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<v Speaker 2>this whole boat ride where she tells her granddaughter about

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<v Speaker 2>how she slummed it and got boned out in the

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<v Speaker 2>back of a fucking model te Okay, all that you

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<v Speaker 2>were supposed to be funded by the finding of this

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<v Speaker 2>jewel she had in her pocket the whole time.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's what you're mad about.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's like Grandpa Joe in Willie Wonka. Grandpa Joe

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<v Speaker 2>is the lowest, slimiest piece of shit ever.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, because he's faking all that shit.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh he's just Oh I.

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<v Speaker 1>Have no business smoking up, HiPE, How poor this family is.

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<v Speaker 1>He's up dancing and shit, no Caine, the fuck.

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<v Speaker 2>We're getting way off topic here.

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<v Speaker 1>We are, way off way off topic. Anyway, All right,

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<v Speaker 1>back to the point.

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<v Speaker 2>So Y two K goes down, All right, great, Right

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<v Speaker 2>after that we have nine to eleven, and the world,

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<v Speaker 2>as far as the American zeitgeist is concerned, the.

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<v Speaker 1>World is now at war.

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<v Speaker 2>Not actually, of course, but we sure the fuck were

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<v Speaker 2>and the world trade centers were hit. So it's the

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<v Speaker 2>same saying it's it's what what you know? But anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>we go to war in Afghanistan out of nowhere. Two

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<v Speaker 2>years later, two thousand and three, we're in war with

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<v Speaker 2>the Rock that nobody asked for but Dick Cheney has

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<v Speaker 2>been pushing for since like ninety one and shit. So

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<v Speaker 2>like weird chain of events, but somehow we have two

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<v Speaker 2>separate wars being fought in two separate countries, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>doing these things. And the big push that got us

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<v Speaker 2>into Iraq. You remember what it was, the weapons of

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<v Speaker 2>mass destruction. Oh yeah, yeah, we believe Saddam has has

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<v Speaker 2>nuclear weapons nuclear The thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember about that was is my mom actually took

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<v Speaker 1>off work and came and picked me up.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait nine eleven or Saddam.

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<v Speaker 1>No for the war when we made the announcement, came

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<v Speaker 1>over the radios and stuff. She actually, like.

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<v Speaker 2>Crack in two thousand and three, she picked you up

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<v Speaker 2>from school.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well so so nine to eleven. My mom worked

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<v Speaker 1>at the trade centers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well one yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And so she they had them there and then they

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<v Speaker 1>got them, uh they were able to get them like

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<v Speaker 1>back out to because she had to read the tremet

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<v Speaker 1>for forty five minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>Shut down the public transit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was a big thing. And so, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't have cell phones and stuff. So all I

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<v Speaker 1>I had no idea what was going to happen. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know if she was gonna if they were gonna

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<v Speaker 1>do that to that set, which I was like, there's no, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Oregon too, and so they they evacuated because they weren't

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<v Speaker 1>sure what was going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's fair.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so no, eventually, you know whatever. But for some reason,

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<v Speaker 1>my mom, when the war conversation happened, the announcement was made.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if my mom, like I can't remember

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<v Speaker 1>if there was a reason why she got off of work,

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, she came and we sat and we listened

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<v Speaker 1>to it broadcasting over the radio, and she explained me

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<v Speaker 1>what that meant for America, of like what this means

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<v Speaker 1>for Americans as an a war going on, and like

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<v Speaker 1>what what's gonna happen and what you know, people are

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<v Speaker 1>gonna die and all this stuff. And I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we've been at were a lot of times,

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<v Speaker 1>but like it wasn't really. I was like, oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you know she said a lot of stuff about the money,

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<v Speaker 1>like the aspect of the money that was going to

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<v Speaker 1>change for a lot of Americans. Absolutely correct, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I was. I was in middle school.

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of was like, okay, so this is for

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<v Speaker 2>nine to eleven.

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<v Speaker 1>Correct, this was for no, this is for arac Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So we had already been at war for two years

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<v Speaker 2>in Afghanistan by that, well knows.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so Afghanistan first, Yes, she sad.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was when nine eleven the whole announcement eleven

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<v Speaker 2>comes on. This battle will take timers all, but make

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<v Speaker 2>no mistake about it, we will win. That was yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>for sure, for sure. So then everybody was a gung

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<v Speaker 2>ho everybody, Republican, Democrat, black, white, didn't matter. We knew

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<v Speaker 2>al Qaeda was about to get that come up ins

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<v Speaker 2>and we were all about it rightfully. So, well, not exactly,

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<v Speaker 2>it was an inside job, but and in that moment,

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<v Speaker 2>the Red, White and Blue and Toby Keith's career became

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<v Speaker 2>a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Honestly, I will say though, shout out to Toby Keith

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<v Speaker 1>for being honestly like one of the best humans. He

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<v Speaker 1>actually performed. When I was in Afghanistan, they backed Obama.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the every character has.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody has fault, you know what I will say, as

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<v Speaker 1>a performer just yet of his political show. He came

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<v Speaker 1>when he was performing, and I got to like stand

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<v Speaker 1>in front row. He was fucking amazing, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>like he performed all over for troops and he was

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<v Speaker 1>just the most like fantastic human ever. So hell yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll say that, at least for that. I don't I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know about all political stuff, but.

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<v Speaker 2>There shouts out to Haley Williams, who also did a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of USO tours. I was at a boot camp

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<v Speaker 2>in SI with her step brother.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know who that is, what I would

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<v Speaker 1>I'd have to see the face. I probably know the

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<v Speaker 1>face or the song, but like.

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<v Speaker 2>You know her, her music probably about up up up up,

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<v Speaker 2>about up up up up up up.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're will crash out. They claim to be emo

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<v Speaker 1>and don't know. Hailey Williams. Wow, I'm not gonna lie

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<v Speaker 1>to you. I don't know if I actually I might.

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<v Speaker 2>Sir Haley Williams. Right now, Holy shit, this is mind blowing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's late at night. I'm having anyway, Haley Williams, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>holy fuck. As soon as you see you're like, oh, her.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you. I know you're gonna I know I

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<v Speaker 2>know that.

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<v Speaker 1>You know that, I know you, right, don't tell me

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<v Speaker 1>you don't know the band? Oh yeah, okay, wow Paramore. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't think of her name though. Okay, said Paramour,

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<v Speaker 1>and I would be.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, yeah, she has had a phenomenal solo career as

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<v Speaker 2>well as I know. Besides the point, I was at

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<v Speaker 2>SI with her stepbrother Jay. If you're out there listening,

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<v Speaker 2>call me you dick, love you to death. Anyway, beside

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<v Speaker 2>the point, So back to the back to the to

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<v Speaker 2>the point of this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>God damn it.

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<v Speaker 2>So we get way off in the weeds here there

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<v Speaker 2>we were, y TK. So all right, why duk at

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<v Speaker 2>boom boom boom. Now two thousand and three, we're already

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<v Speaker 2>at war in Afghanistan, we're fucking up the Taliban and

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<v Speaker 2>al Qaeda all the things. We're learning very quickly that

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<v Speaker 2>into something here that we didn't really fully understand. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>but fine, now we have Iraq and the key point

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<v Speaker 2>behind this was the weapons of mass destruction, right, so

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<v Speaker 2>Dom's got these nukes. We got to go in there

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<v Speaker 2>and get these nukes. Except for the fact that Jesus,

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<v Speaker 2>no nuclear weapons were ever discovered recovered, No enriched uranium

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<v Speaker 2>was ever discovered or recovered. No, he had sar and

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<v Speaker 2>gas bombs, but we're the ones that sold those to them,

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<v Speaker 2>right from some of the bio labs that we had

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<v Speaker 2>going on in Ukraine and all the things. But beside

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<v Speaker 2>publicly that it was strictly for nuclear power for their country.

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<v Speaker 2>Then they decided to kick out the uh I. Forget

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<v Speaker 2>what the group is, basically the people that's in charge

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<v Speaker 2>of the nuclear you know, uranium enrichment and they're the

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<v Speaker 2>ones that come in and inspect your equipment to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure you're not going past a certain level. So as

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<v Speaker 2>far as uranium enrichment goes from three percent on down

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<v Speaker 2>enriched you can power nuclear power five percent, you're solid

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<v Speaker 2>like you're good to go. There is zero reasons why

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<v Speaker 2>somebody would enrich uranium to twenty percent unless you are

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<v Speaker 1>Are you with me now? Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>So, when Iran decided that they were gonna go nuclear

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<v Speaker 2>for power, quote unquote, and then they were kicking out

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<v Speaker 2>the official body, the international officiating body is going to

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<v Speaker 2>come in and make sure that they're not doing some fuckshit.

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<v Speaker 2>So then we understand at this point that they are

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<v Speaker 2>us in America that's not that much of a threat.

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<v Speaker 2>But to one of our homies in the Middle East, Israel,

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<v Speaker 2>which I understand the political climate today, people are wanting

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<v Speaker 2>to renegotiate how friendly we are with the nation of Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's fine, that's a conversation that we can have.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm here for it. But at that point in two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and three era, we knew that Iram was making

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<v Speaker 2>this push, but we couldn't justify sending in troops whenever.

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<v Speaker 2>We just did this in Iraq and found nothing, you

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<v Speaker 2>see what I'm saying. So we had to do something.

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<v Speaker 2>So US in Israel decided, let's try to fuck up

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<v Speaker 2>their ability to enrich uranium. And how do we do that? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>not to get too much into the nitty gritty of

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<v Speaker 2>how you turn uranium into weapons grade uranium, but let's

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<v Speaker 2>say at a certain point it involves.

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<v Speaker 1>Something called a centrifuge. And if you don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>that is, think of a.

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<v Speaker 2>Like a dryer. It spins, right, a clothing dryer, right,

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<v Speaker 2>It just spins and spins and spins. A centrifuge or centrifugal,

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<v Speaker 2>depending on the process you're in, spins fast as fuck.

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<v Speaker 2>And by that I mean like could be anywhere from

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<v Speaker 2>one thousand RPMs to ten thousand RPMs, depends on the process. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>these motors, big fucking motors, spin like crazy, and this

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<v Speaker 2>is part of the enrichment process for the work I

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<v Speaker 2>used to do. As a matter of fact, we had

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<v Speaker 2>to work on these a lot. From my area of it.

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<v Speaker 2>I had to work on the components that made sure

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<v Speaker 2>that it was spinning correctly and what and shaking what

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<v Speaker 2>and wobbling what and going too fast kind of things.

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<v Speaker 2>The mechanics were the ones that actually did, like the

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<v Speaker 2>motorized work on it. But beside the point, we found

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<v Speaker 2>that the way that they were enriching uranium could be hacked,

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<v Speaker 2>for lack of better words, and instead of hacking it

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<v Speaker 2>for some sort of spyware where we can see what

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<v Speaker 2>we're what they're doing, and you know, we can keep

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<v Speaker 2>track of it, the powers that be decided to spice

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<v Speaker 2>it up a little bit and essentially force one thousand

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<v Speaker 2>centrifuges to all like shit the bed and tear themselves

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<v Speaker 2>apart over the course of a few months. And then

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<v Speaker 2>it continued, and then it continued and to the point

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<v Speaker 2>to where it was finally discovered and finally acknowledged in

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<v Speaker 2>the twenty twelve time frame.

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<v Speaker 1>Under Obama.

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<v Speaker 2>This started. Oh and don't get me wrong, Obama like

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<v Speaker 2>he fucking ramped it up. Bush started it. Bush started

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<v Speaker 2>this whole thing him and I forget who the president

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<v Speaker 2>of Israel was at the time. We'll talk about it

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<v Speaker 2>a bit. But between the Israeli Unit eighty two hundred,

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<v Speaker 2>which is very similar to our NSSA and our CIA,

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<v Speaker 2>and the then chairman of the Joint Chiefs, a dude

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<v Speaker 2>name Cartwright. We decided to get together, get with some

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<v Speaker 2>tech nerds and figure out a way to install a

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<v Speaker 2>worm from a USB port into the UH. It's pretty smart.

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<v Speaker 2>The secret nuclear facility in Iran that never existed yet

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<v Speaker 2>somehow a lot of wild shit went down for their

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<v Speaker 2>nuclear capabilities.

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<v Speaker 1>It didn't stop anything.

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<v Speaker 2>It did kick the ball down the road about ten

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<v Speaker 2>to fifteen years, give or take. But we're currently in

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<v Speaker 2>the situation that we're here in now because of.

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<v Speaker 1>The same conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>This is what it looks like when we're going kinetic

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<v Speaker 2>ie dropping bunker busters like we did last year with

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<v Speaker 2>Israel or bombing the fuck out of Iran. Look, we

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<v Speaker 2>are right now as opposed to how we did it

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<v Speaker 2>before with like, maybe we don't bomb the fuck out

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<v Speaker 2>of them, maybe we just destroy their infrastructure to where

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<v Speaker 2>there's no way that they can make this happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean they didn't make no Lego movie about it,

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<v Speaker 1>So did it happen? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>I forgot about the Lego movies. Yeah, now this is

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<v Speaker 2>all bullshit and conspiracy. Obviously, Maybe what we're talking about, so.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe Iran will make a lego skit about Stucksnet, which

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<v Speaker 2>is the point this is called. This episode is about Stucksnet,

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<v Speaker 2>which might sound crazy, but again, the more we get

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<v Speaker 2>into it and the more we break this down, it

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<v Speaker 2>is ingenious. But it only worked to a point. The

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<v Speaker 2>worst part was when it got out onto the main

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<v Speaker 2>Internet and shut down all kinds of shit in twenty thirteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah oops, big oops, big oops.

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<v Speaker 1>If you will, Oh well, so yeah, we're gonna go

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<v Speaker 1>in on it, y'all.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna talk about it start to finish here, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna go ahead and share the screen. We're gonna read

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<v Speaker 2>some articles, got some Wikipedia things pulled up, I got

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<v Speaker 2>a YouTube video. It's gonna talk about it. We are

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<v Speaker 2>gonna learn all about this crazy operation Olympic Games kickstarted

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<v Speaker 2>by President Bush, continued and fucked up by President Obama

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<v Speaker 2>about how the Internet can and shall screw us over

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<v Speaker 2>if we allow it to. Now, let's talk about that

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<v Speaker 2>with the AI conversation at the end. But I'm jumping

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<v Speaker 2>ahead and share the screen. Let's talk about the guy

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<v Speaker 2>that actually.

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<v Speaker 1>Installed the worm. I'm gonna again paint you a picture.

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<v Speaker 2>We're in Iran, Okay, They're at a little nuclear site,

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<v Speaker 2>and you got this maintenance tech dude. He's been working

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<v Speaker 2>blow type of dude, a guy that wouldn't stand out

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<v Speaker 2>in a crowd of workers. Wearing hard hats, go into

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<v Speaker 2>the smoke pen, you know what I'm saying, Just your

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<v Speaker 2>average guy. And he just so happens to be carrying

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<v Speaker 2>a thumb drive. And he goes to this main room,

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<v Speaker 2>right and I don't know specifically if it was a

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<v Speaker 2>computer room, a mainframe room, a PLC rack, whatever the

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<v Speaker 1>But he goes there and to do some maintenance repair.

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<v Speaker 1>But while he's there, just kind of.

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<v Speaker 2>Slips a little thing in as he was instructed to do,

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<v Speaker 2>and walks out and goes about his way. What this guy,

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<v Speaker 2>Eric von Satan, what he actually just did was started

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<v Speaker 2>something that could not be stopped and would not be

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<v Speaker 2>stopped until basically Snowden blew.

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<v Speaker 1>The lid off of it years later.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Edward Snowden, we're talking that guy, So, Edward or

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<v Speaker 2>Eric excuse me, Edward Snoden, Eric von Saban. He was

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<v Speaker 2>from the Netherlands, right, and he was a Dutch engineer.

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<v Speaker 2>He was allegedly allegedly recruited in two thousand and eight

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<v Speaker 2>Security Services basically two different groups here, the General Intelligence

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<v Speaker 2>and Security Service and the Military intelligence either way to

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<v Speaker 2>infect the enriched centrifuge infrastructure at the Natan's nuclear facility

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<v Speaker 2>in Iran with the stucksnet malware in two thousand and nine.

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<v Speaker 2>This industrial espionage operation required years of preparation and cooperation

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<v Speaker 2>between the CIA and Moussade. It cost a billion dollars

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<v Speaker 2>in collaborative effort known as Operation Olympic Games. Stuck's net

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<v Speaker 2>reportedly ruined almost one fifth of Iran's nuclear centrifuges.

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<v Speaker 1>I bet they wont that motherfucking dead so bad, so

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Two weeks after this was planted, he fell off his

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<v Speaker 1>Come on, you kill Eric? Yeah, man, poor Eric.

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<v Speaker 2>So he apparently died two weeks after Stuck's next stucks

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<v Speaker 2>nets attack at the age of thirty six, in an

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah okay, yeah, Like, there's no way I would sign

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<v Speaker 1>up for this shit. They always killed people that helped

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<v Speaker 2>He was married, he had two kids, all these things.

425
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<v Speaker 2>He seemed like he was just your average guy, but

426
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<v Speaker 2>he was a loose end. And two weeks after he

427
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<v Speaker 2>slipped that thumb drive in Apparently he just went off the.

428
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<v Speaker 1>Road and he's broke his wet slicks you know from

429
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<v Speaker 1>the old cartoons, because you know how wet do Bybee.

430
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<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying. There's what you remember, like

431
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<v Speaker 1>in Wiley Coyote. Just throw up a little sign wet

432
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<v Speaker 1>slick like this. Yeah, exactly how it happened.

433
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<v Speaker 2>So and he fell off his bike, whatever, he broke

434
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<v Speaker 2>his neck. He allegedly died instantly.

435
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<v Speaker 1>Whatever.

436
00:22:20.720 --> 00:22:22.880
<v Speaker 2>But basically they had to tie up that loose end.

437
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<v Speaker 2>So this is really where we begin. And let's talk

438
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<v Speaker 2>about what Stuck's net is. Okay, So well, I agree,

439
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<v Speaker 2>it's not my favorite name. I don't love it. But

440
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<v Speaker 2>Snuck's neck it sounds like stucks Stuck's net.

441
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<v Speaker 1>It sounds like knock, that's what it sounds like. I'm

442
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<v Speaker 1>sorry every time you say it, I'm like snook.

443
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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god. Okay, this is from Stanford. Here it

444
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<v Speaker 2>says the countdown to zero day. We'll talk about what

445
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<v Speaker 2>a zero day is. And if you know anything about

446
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<v Speaker 2>computer program to have to find a zero day trigger

447
00:23:03.839 --> 00:23:09.680
<v Speaker 2>in a program is difficult. Stucks net had four and it, Yeah,

448
00:23:09.799 --> 00:23:13.359
<v Speaker 2>this was almost untraceable unless you knew exactly what you

449
00:23:13.400 --> 00:23:16.319
<v Speaker 2>were looking for and where to look for it, which

450
00:23:16.359 --> 00:23:19.720
<v Speaker 2>is kind of how it was programmed to do. Anyway,

451
00:23:19.759 --> 00:23:21.519
<v Speaker 2>we're getting ware of it ourselves here anyway, So the

452
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<v Speaker 2>United States has thrust itself in the world into the

453
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<v Speaker 2>era of cyber warfare. Kim Zeter, an award winning cybersecurity

454
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<v Speaker 2>journalist for Wired magazine, told a Stanford audience, Now I

455
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<v Speaker 2>tried pulling up the Wired article. First of all, way

456
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<v Speaker 2>too fucking long. And second you had to be like

457
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<v Speaker 2>a member and pay a subscription to pull it, which

458
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<v Speaker 2>is so stupid. I do love Wired, I love their publication,

459
00:23:45.759 --> 00:23:47.559
<v Speaker 2>but at the same time, I'm not paying for that.

460
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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, moving on here.

461
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<v Speaker 2>Zeter discussed in her book Countdown to Zero Day, which

462
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<v Speaker 2>details the discovery and unraveling of stucks net, the world's

463
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<v Speaker 2>first cyber weapon. Stucks Net was the name given to

464
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<v Speaker 2>a highly complex digital malware malware that targeted and physically

465
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<v Speaker 2>damaged Iran's clandestine nuclear program from two thousand and seven

466
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<v Speaker 2>until its cover was blown in twenty ten by computer

467
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<v Speaker 2>security researchers. The malware targeted the computer systems controlling physical

468
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<v Speaker 2>infrastructure such as centrifuges and gas valves. So let me

469
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<v Speaker 2>give y'all at least a little bit of an idea here.

470
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<v Speaker 2>If I have a machine, if I have a motor

471
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<v Speaker 2>that is supposed to be running at one thousand rpm, okay,

472
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<v Speaker 2>a thousand rotations permitted, cool, that's what it's rated for.

473
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<v Speaker 2>This machine was built to run.

474
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<v Speaker 1>At that speed.

475
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<v Speaker 2>Cool, and out of nowhere, beyond my control, this machine

476
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<v Speaker 2>jumps up to like eighteen hundred rpm and then drops

477
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<v Speaker 2>down to like four hundred rpm and then jumps back

478
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<v Speaker 2>up to eighteen hundred RPMs. You're gonna destroy your motor.

479
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<v Speaker 2>You're gonna destroy your gearbox, You're gonna like, there's so

480
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<v Speaker 2>many things about it that's gonna cause vibrations, rattling, things

481
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<v Speaker 2>going off center, just knocking itself loose and or like

482
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<v Speaker 2>spinning itself apart, which I've seen them do. It is terrifying.

483
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<v Speaker 2>But so you understand what I'm saying here, right, If

484
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<v Speaker 2>you don't have a motor that is rated to go

485
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<v Speaker 2>that speed or drop to that slow of a speed

486
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<v Speaker 2>like that, you're fucking yourself, which is the entire point

487
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<v Speaker 2>of what they were doing.

488
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<v Speaker 1>But we'll get to more of it.

489
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<v Speaker 2>Reports following its discovery attributed the creation and deployment of

490
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<v Speaker 2>stucks net to the United States and Israel. New York

491
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<v Speaker 2>Times quoted anonymous US officials claiming responsibility for stucksnt. So Zeter,

492
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<v Speaker 2>the author, began reporting on the cyber weapon in twenty ten, quote,

493
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<v Speaker 2>when the first news came out, I didn't think much

494
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<v Speaker 2>of it. The title of her book refers to zero

495
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<v Speaker 2>day attack, which exploits a previously unknown vulnerability in a

496
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<v Speaker 2>computer application or an operating system. That's what a zero

497
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<v Speaker 2>day is. It's an unknown backdoor, if you will, into

498
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<v Speaker 2>a computer program that can and will be exploited. Watching

499
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<v Speaker 2>the system, I'm sorry, Watching the semantic researchers unravel stucks net,

500
00:26:09.079 --> 00:26:11.839
<v Speaker 2>I knew it was I knew. What fascinated me was

501
00:26:11.880 --> 00:26:15.720
<v Speaker 2>the process and brilliance of the researchers. The detective story

502
00:26:15.799 --> 00:26:19.599
<v Speaker 2>is what pulled me in. So Zetter's book follows computer

503
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<v Speaker 2>security researchers from around the world as they discover and

504
00:26:22.920 --> 00:26:26.759
<v Speaker 2>disassemble stucks net over the course of months, much longer

505
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<v Speaker 2>than any time spent in typical malware. The realization that

506
00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:33.839
<v Speaker 2>stucks net was the world's first cyber weapon sent shockwaves

507
00:26:33.880 --> 00:26:37.519
<v Speaker 2>through the tech community, yet did not create as much

508
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<v Speaker 2>of a stir in the mainstream society. It's funny because

509
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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people still don't know Stuck's Net or

510
00:26:43.519 --> 00:26:47.519
<v Speaker 2>haven't even heard of it. The recent valid vandalization of

511
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<v Speaker 2>Sony seems to have finally gotten people's attention. It was

512
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<v Speaker 2>not a case of true cyber war a where warfare.

513
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<v Speaker 2>I think that was supposed to be warfare, but it

514
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<v Speaker 2>came out wherefair Okay, so it's not a case of

515
00:27:00.759 --> 00:27:03.880
<v Speaker 2>true cyber warfare. But I'm glad that my book came

516
00:27:03.880 --> 00:27:07.559
<v Speaker 2>out right before it happened, because its perception is a

517
00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:11.599
<v Speaker 2>nation state attack has led to interest in all nation

518
00:27:11.759 --> 00:27:15.680
<v Speaker 2>state attacks, including stucks Net. The Snowden Leaks also put

519
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<v Speaker 2>cyber warfare.

520
00:27:16.759 --> 00:27:17.359
<v Speaker 1>On the map.

521
00:27:17.720 --> 00:27:19.519
<v Speaker 2>See they played they spelled it right there.

522
00:27:19.680 --> 00:27:20.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what that was about anyway.

523
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<v Speaker 2>So this is her actually speaking on behalf of the book,

524
00:27:24.960 --> 00:27:28.680
<v Speaker 2>what she found, and a little background information into stucks

525
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<v Speaker 2>Net before we get more into it.

526
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<v Speaker 1>The author Wired magazine reporter Kim Zetter miss Zetter, what

527
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<v Speaker 1>is or what was stucks Net?

528
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<v Speaker 3>Stuck's Net was a virus slash worm that was used

529
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<v Speaker 3>to attack Iran's nuclear plant in the tons. It's a

530
00:27:48.440 --> 00:27:52.720
<v Speaker 3>uranium enrichment plant, and so the worm was designed to

531
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<v Speaker 3>manipulate the computers that control this interfuges and speed them

532
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<v Speaker 3>up and slow them down in order to degrade the

533
00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:04.319
<v Speaker 3>level of uranium enrichment, and also to do some wear

534
00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:07.279
<v Speaker 3>and tear on the centrifuges and destroy them.

535
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<v Speaker 1>What was unique about stucks.

536
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<v Speaker 3>Net, Well, Stuck's Net was really sophisticated. Its First of all,

537
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<v Speaker 3>I guess the most unique thing is that this was

538
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<v Speaker 3>a virus that was designed to physically destroy something. So

539
00:28:19.279 --> 00:28:21.920
<v Speaker 3>in the past, we've seen malware that stills passwords, it

540
00:28:21.960 --> 00:28:25.039
<v Speaker 3>stills credit card numbers, things like that, but we'd never

541
00:28:25.039 --> 00:28:29.480
<v Speaker 3>seen something that was designed to physically destroy essentially leap

542
00:28:29.519 --> 00:28:31.759
<v Speaker 3>out of the digital world into the physical realm and

543
00:28:31.920 --> 00:28:34.160
<v Speaker 3>have some kind of kinetic activity. So that was the

544
00:28:34.160 --> 00:28:37.799
<v Speaker 3>first thing that made stex net unique. Other than that

545
00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:41.160
<v Speaker 3>it was really sophisticated. It was as I mentioned, it's

546
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<v Speaker 3>designed to increase and increase and slow the speed of

547
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<v Speaker 3>the centrifuges. But while it was doing that, it also

548
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<v Speaker 3>did this remarkable trick, which was to make the operators

549
00:28:52.279 --> 00:28:56.480
<v Speaker 3>at the plant think that the operations were perfectly normal.

550
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<v Speaker 3>So what it did was it recorded normal activity on

551
00:28:58.920 --> 00:29:01.839
<v Speaker 3>the computers first, and then it played back that normal

552
00:29:01.880 --> 00:29:05.480
<v Speaker 3>activity to the monitoring machines when stucks net was actually

553
00:29:05.559 --> 00:29:09.160
<v Speaker 3>doing the sabotage. So that was something remarkable about it.

554
00:29:09.240 --> 00:29:11.960
<v Speaker 3>And one more thing that was remarkable was that stucks

555
00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:15.000
<v Speaker 3>net used what are called zero days five zero days

556
00:29:15.039 --> 00:29:17.839
<v Speaker 3>to spread, And a zero day is a vulnerability and

557
00:29:17.920 --> 00:29:21.839
<v Speaker 3>software that's unknown to the software vendor, so therefore no

558
00:29:21.960 --> 00:29:26.079
<v Speaker 3>patch exists, and zero days tend to be fairly rare,

559
00:29:26.200 --> 00:29:30.559
<v Speaker 3>and they're also time consuming and expensive to find for

560
00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:34.039
<v Speaker 3>the vulnerabilities and also to develop exploits for them. So

561
00:29:34.359 --> 00:29:37.799
<v Speaker 3>generally we see maybe one zero day used in an attack,

562
00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:39.480
<v Speaker 3>and this one used five zero days.

563
00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:43.119
<v Speaker 1>Where and how was stucks net developed and by.

564
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<v Speaker 3>Whom, Well, we believe it was developed by the US

565
00:29:47.920 --> 00:29:51.400
<v Speaker 3>and Israel, and it was tested both here in the

566
00:29:51.480 --> 00:29:56.400
<v Speaker 3>US and in Israel. Where and how This was a

567
00:29:56.440 --> 00:29:59.759
<v Speaker 3>process that took a number of years to develop. There

568
00:29:59.799 --> 00:30:01.880
<v Speaker 3>were multiple teams working on it. We had to have

569
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<v Speaker 3>separate teams working on the actual centrifuges to determine the

570
00:30:05.880 --> 00:30:08.000
<v Speaker 3>effect that stucks and it would have on them. So

571
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<v Speaker 3>in that regard, that requires material scientists to examine the centrifuges,

572
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<v Speaker 3>how speeding them up would affect them, how slowing them

573
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<v Speaker 3>down would affect them. Then you have a team that

574
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<v Speaker 3>is looking at the siemens controllers, the computers that are

575
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<v Speaker 3>controlling the centrifuges, and you need to find vulnerabilities in that,

576
00:30:25.039 --> 00:30:27.680
<v Speaker 3>and you need to find ways of getting your worm

577
00:30:27.759 --> 00:30:30.799
<v Speaker 3>onto the system and in a way that will hide

578
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<v Speaker 3>it so no one can discover it. And then you

579
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<v Speaker 3>had a third team that was developing the spreading mechanisms,

580
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<v Speaker 3>the zero days and things like that. So there are

581
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<v Speaker 3>multiple teams over a minimum of six months, probably longer.

582
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<v Speaker 3>The centrifuge research itself probably took a couple of years,

583
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<v Speaker 3>and then it all came together around two thousand and seven,

584
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<v Speaker 3>two thousand and eight.

585
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<v Speaker 1>And when you say the US, do you mean the

586
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<v Speaker 1>Defense Department?

587
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<v Speaker 3>This would be so there are multiple agencies that worked

588
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<v Speaker 3>on it. This would have been is a covert operation.

589
00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:08.319
<v Speaker 3>So getting the worm onto a system requires an agency

590
00:31:08.359 --> 00:31:12.400
<v Speaker 3>that has covert authorities. In that case, we're talking with

591
00:31:12.480 --> 00:31:17.920
<v Speaker 3>the CIA. Developing a code like this, of course requires

592
00:31:18.039 --> 00:31:22.400
<v Speaker 3>really elite programmers, and so we're looking at elite teams

593
00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:26.079
<v Speaker 3>with the NSA. The Edward Snowden documents have pointed to

594
00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:29.359
<v Speaker 3>a lot of the activity of those elite teams that

595
00:31:29.400 --> 00:31:32.960
<v Speaker 3>are designed to do a deep espionage and what's called

596
00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:37.160
<v Speaker 3>CNA computer network attacks, and so that would have been

597
00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:39.680
<v Speaker 3>also in conjunction with the military. The US Cyber Command

598
00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:45.200
<v Speaker 3>is sort of an umbrella of NSA and the militaries.

599
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<v Speaker 1>Kim Zetter, where where did the name come from?

600
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<v Speaker 3>Stuck's net was?

601
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<v Speaker 2>So I'm not going to play any more of that one,

602
00:31:53.240 --> 00:31:54.960
<v Speaker 2>actually because it cut off right there.

603
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<v Speaker 1>But if you want to see the whole interviews on

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<v Speaker 1>c SPAN.

605
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<v Speaker 2>But so I said there was four zero day. A

606
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<v Speaker 2>lot of the information that I found said four. She

607
00:32:03.000 --> 00:32:06.680
<v Speaker 2>is saying five. But either way, to have one zero

608
00:32:06.799 --> 00:32:10.599
<v Speaker 2>day is ridiculous in and of itself. To have two

609
00:32:11.079 --> 00:32:15.960
<v Speaker 2>unheard of four or five, that's fuck it like, actually

610
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<v Speaker 2>unheard of, that is ridiculous.

611
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<v Speaker 1>Ship But though it is, the way that she broke

612
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<v Speaker 1>it down made a hell of a lot of sense.

613
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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you're gonna you'd have to have had multiple

614
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<v Speaker 1>teams to be able to test all the components of it.

615
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<v Speaker 1>The biggest thing is to be able to get it

616
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<v Speaker 1>into there without being detected.

617
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<v Speaker 2>So yes, agreed, and so all right, how did they

618
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<v Speaker 2>test it?

619
00:32:37.640 --> 00:32:41.400
<v Speaker 1>You might ask, Well, they probably took our they our stuff,

620
00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:43.880
<v Speaker 1>and this was like, fuck it, let's we got plenty

621
00:32:43.960 --> 00:32:46.480
<v Speaker 1>on backup. Let's just try it out. Yes and no,

622
00:32:47.240 --> 00:32:51.640
<v Speaker 1>they tested on Russia. No, no, even worse in China, Israel,

623
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<v Speaker 1>Israel them, Well they were testing it on their ship.

624
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<v Speaker 2>It's the same as to say that America tests it

625
00:32:59.039 --> 00:32:59.519
<v Speaker 2>on our own.

626
00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:02.200
<v Speaker 1>Come on, now, we basically give them all their shit.

627
00:33:02.319 --> 00:33:05.720
<v Speaker 2>So like, okay, which is how we got in this position,

628
00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:07.960
<v Speaker 2>to be honest with you. So all right, let's backtrack here.

629
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<v Speaker 2>So Stucksnet itself was developed, they allege as a.

630
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<v Speaker 1>Joint operation between US and Israel.

631
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<v Speaker 2>For the record, no one has ever actually still to

632
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<v Speaker 2>this day, nobody's ever acknowledged that it's under.

633
00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:25.279
<v Speaker 1>Sure it was some kind of whatever. I mean, They

634
00:33:25.319 --> 00:33:27.519
<v Speaker 1>probably just were like, hey, so we're doing this, We're

635
00:33:27.519 --> 00:33:29.640
<v Speaker 1>gonna test on your shit. We'll give you more shit

636
00:33:29.720 --> 00:33:30.079
<v Speaker 1>later on.

637
00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:34.359
<v Speaker 2>Okay. This would have been like if the Joker batman, right,

638
00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:37.480
<v Speaker 2>and the Joker killed a person and left a Joker

639
00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:40.079
<v Speaker 2>playing card on the body, and then they're like, oh,

640
00:33:40.119 --> 00:33:42.000
<v Speaker 2>this was the Joker, and the Joker's like, I don't

641
00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:44.920
<v Speaker 2>know Whi's talking about, dude, that's essentially what this is

642
00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:47.480
<v Speaker 2>with like it was obviously Israel and America, and it's like,

643
00:33:47.920 --> 00:33:48.359
<v Speaker 2>I don't.

644
00:33:48.160 --> 00:33:49.599
<v Speaker 1>Know, I don't even know which talk about right now.

645
00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:53.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it has all of the hallmarks. Your signature is

646
00:33:53.839 --> 00:33:55.200
<v Speaker 2>right here, bro.

647
00:33:56.200 --> 00:33:58.839
<v Speaker 1>I don't even know if that's mine. So we're comfiicient

648
00:33:58.880 --> 00:34:01.279
<v Speaker 1>with it, I mean realistic to make sure that they

649
00:34:01.319 --> 00:34:03.880
<v Speaker 1>had at least four to five So all.

650
00:34:03.839 --> 00:34:06.759
<v Speaker 2>Right, all right, here's even more background onto this. So

651
00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:09.840
<v Speaker 2>Siemens is a company, it's one of the big ones

652
00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:11.480
<v Speaker 2>as far as the tech industry is concerned.

653
00:34:11.559 --> 00:34:11.960
<v Speaker 1>Yea, right.

654
00:34:12.360 --> 00:34:15.000
<v Speaker 2>I used to work on Semens components for a lot

655
00:34:15.039 --> 00:34:16.599
<v Speaker 2>of the things. And so there's a thing called a

656
00:34:16.639 --> 00:34:21.360
<v Speaker 2>PLC programmable logic controller and typically these are used in

657
00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:25.199
<v Speaker 2>manufacturing facilities where you just need a machine to do

658
00:34:25.639 --> 00:34:29.840
<v Speaker 2>of the same function over and over again indefinitely. Okay,

659
00:34:29.880 --> 00:34:34.039
<v Speaker 2>you program it in. It's all you know. If this happens,

660
00:34:34.119 --> 00:34:38.079
<v Speaker 2>and this happens, then this component moves. Okay, it's a

661
00:34:38.119 --> 00:34:40.599
<v Speaker 2>lot of stops and goes as far as like mechanics

662
00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:41.239
<v Speaker 2>are concerned.

663
00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:41.559
<v Speaker 1>Cool.

664
00:34:42.599 --> 00:34:45.039
<v Speaker 2>So as a way to find a weakness in the

665
00:34:45.079 --> 00:34:48.599
<v Speaker 2>manufacturing of these components for nukes.

666
00:34:49.400 --> 00:34:51.159
<v Speaker 1>They reached out to Siemens.

667
00:34:51.159 --> 00:34:55.280
<v Speaker 2>And these Germans had no idea why the American government

668
00:34:55.360 --> 00:35:02.000
<v Speaker 2>specifically was asking these very poignant questions about a very

669
00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:04.639
<v Speaker 2>specific PLC that they have. It's not like it's one

670
00:35:04.639 --> 00:35:08.239
<v Speaker 2>that's only used in nuclear manufacturing. No, it's just like

671
00:35:08.320 --> 00:35:11.719
<v Speaker 2>that specific model, Like I guess, yeah, we could, we

672
00:35:11.760 --> 00:35:14.079
<v Speaker 2>could look and see if there's a vulnerability. But it's

673
00:35:14.119 --> 00:35:17.840
<v Speaker 2>a PLC something that you program typically on site. Like

674
00:35:18.840 --> 00:35:21.559
<v Speaker 2>it's not. You can you can have it pre programmed

675
00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:24.199
<v Speaker 2>from the manufacturer and run it that way. But typically

676
00:35:24.599 --> 00:35:27.079
<v Speaker 2>a do with a laptop, once it's plugged in and

677
00:35:27.119 --> 00:35:29.559
<v Speaker 2>set up, sets up the whole code for it, and

678
00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:32.880
<v Speaker 2>then it's set for good. It's not something that typically

679
00:35:32.960 --> 00:35:36.559
<v Speaker 2>somebody would call the manufacturer to ask about this. But

680
00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:40.239
<v Speaker 2>they answered again, they had no idea what this was about.

681
00:35:40.639 --> 00:35:46.599
<v Speaker 2>They basically found a weakness in a local component. I'm

682
00:35:46.599 --> 00:35:48.599
<v Speaker 2>trying to find a way to explain this.

683
00:35:48.679 --> 00:35:48.960
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

684
00:35:50.239 --> 00:35:53.159
<v Speaker 2>Let's say that Ford is coming out with a new

685
00:35:53.320 --> 00:35:58.519
<v Speaker 2>Ford F one fifty Okay, and they whoever they might

686
00:35:58.599 --> 00:36:01.039
<v Speaker 2>be in this case, let's just say the United States

687
00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:05.679
<v Speaker 2>government they want to fuck up a specific F one fifty.

688
00:36:06.239 --> 00:36:08.679
<v Speaker 2>So they call Ford and they ask, hey, man, is

689
00:36:08.719 --> 00:36:10.920
<v Speaker 2>there any kind of weird things going on with the

690
00:36:10.960 --> 00:36:16.400
<v Speaker 2>transmission for this year and make and model of f

691
00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:18.880
<v Speaker 2>one fifties that you may or may not have sold

692
00:36:18.960 --> 00:36:22.920
<v Speaker 2>around the Texas area between this month and this month.

693
00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:27.440
<v Speaker 2>Ford would be like, Uh, we can run some numbers

694
00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:31.400
<v Speaker 2>and see, but I guess I'm sure. Yeah, there's a

695
00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:33.119
<v Speaker 2>couple of things wrong with this one. In this one

696
00:36:33.199 --> 00:36:36.880
<v Speaker 2>factory defaults. But they were seeing as no big deal whatever, Okay, great,

697
00:36:36.920 --> 00:36:40.039
<v Speaker 2>and then you never hear from them again. What would

698
00:36:40.039 --> 00:36:43.119
<v Speaker 2>the government do with that? To fuck with that transmission,

699
00:36:43.119 --> 00:36:45.360
<v Speaker 2>you would have to have a guy on the ground locally,

700
00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:48.519
<v Speaker 2>but actually put his physical hands on that component to

701
00:36:48.679 --> 00:36:50.920
<v Speaker 2>fuck with it. It's not something you can like wire

702
00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:54.000
<v Speaker 2>in from DC, you know what I'm saying. So for

703
00:36:54.079 --> 00:36:56.719
<v Speaker 2>this PLC to have a fault, you would have to

704
00:36:56.760 --> 00:36:59.480
<v Speaker 2>get a guy to go in physically and do something

705
00:36:59.519 --> 00:37:02.199
<v Speaker 2>with it locally. It's not something you'd be able to, like,

706
00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:05.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, send a Wi Fi link across the pond

707
00:37:06.039 --> 00:37:08.880
<v Speaker 2>and and fuck up their system. This is also a

708
00:37:08.920 --> 00:37:11.920
<v Speaker 2>part of how and why, like you're saying, like the

709
00:37:12.239 --> 00:37:15.719
<v Speaker 2>the the program itself of stucksnet is impressive in and

710
00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:19.280
<v Speaker 2>of itself. More impressive is the way they got this

711
00:37:19.480 --> 00:37:24.159
<v Speaker 2>dude from the Netherlands, Eric rip friend of the show,

712
00:37:24.559 --> 00:37:26.760
<v Speaker 2>to be the Patsy.

713
00:37:26.840 --> 00:37:29.199
<v Speaker 1>So to speaker Stein.

714
00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:35.079
<v Speaker 2>Von Saban's Uric von Lichtenstein.

715
00:37:35.199 --> 00:37:36.719
<v Speaker 1>We're going to say Eric now.

716
00:37:36.599 --> 00:37:41.719
<v Speaker 2>It's Eric von Lichtenstein now from Galdalin, yep. Obviously famous

717
00:37:41.800 --> 00:37:42.679
<v Speaker 2>joust friend of the show.

718
00:37:43.239 --> 00:37:43.599
<v Speaker 1>Anyway.

719
00:37:44.280 --> 00:37:48.159
<v Speaker 2>So but you see the this is there's so many

720
00:37:48.199 --> 00:37:50.960
<v Speaker 2>things that had to line up perfectly for this to work,

721
00:37:51.679 --> 00:37:52.159
<v Speaker 2>and it did.

722
00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:54.719
<v Speaker 1>It probably was, I mean, like she said, it was

723
00:37:54.840 --> 00:37:57.360
<v Speaker 1>years in the making. I mean, there are so many

724
00:37:57.519 --> 00:38:00.360
<v Speaker 1>things that you need to account for and then to

725
00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:01.920
<v Speaker 1>be able to get it all in that little hard

726
00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:04.960
<v Speaker 1>rub and then trust old boy just happens to have

727
00:38:05.159 --> 00:38:07.320
<v Speaker 1>access to it and all these scenes and just at

728
00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:09.400
<v Speaker 1>the right time, and no one is going to be

729
00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:12.239
<v Speaker 1>down there. Could you imagine how nervous he was? Oh

730
00:38:12.280 --> 00:38:15.360
<v Speaker 1>my god, oh my god. Yes, And then as soon

731
00:38:15.400 --> 00:38:17.960
<v Speaker 1>as he did, yeah, that he dies. He dipped.

732
00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:20.440
<v Speaker 2>He went to Dubai two weeks after this happened, and

733
00:38:20.519 --> 00:38:21.920
<v Speaker 2>keep in mind he was only working there for a

734
00:38:21.960 --> 00:38:25.000
<v Speaker 2>few months, but you know, enough time to like get

735
00:38:25.039 --> 00:38:29.239
<v Speaker 2>everybody comfortable with seeing him around or whatever. And two

736
00:38:29.280 --> 00:38:33.960
<v Speaker 2>weeks after he installed this worm, this virus, if you will,

737
00:38:34.039 --> 00:38:38.119
<v Speaker 2>into the system, he dips. He's in Dubai riding his motorcycle,

738
00:38:38.119 --> 00:38:40.960
<v Speaker 2>living his life, and they're like, yeah, no, bro. And

739
00:38:41.000 --> 00:38:43.760
<v Speaker 2>he was married to an Iranian. So he was from

740
00:38:43.800 --> 00:38:45.639
<v Speaker 2>the Netherlands, but he was married to an Irani. And

741
00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:47.119
<v Speaker 2>that's how he even got the job. It was, it

742
00:38:47.119 --> 00:38:51.239
<v Speaker 2>was a whole thing, the salty. Oh, it's it's crazy.

743
00:38:51.639 --> 00:38:54.480
<v Speaker 2>But but and again you got to keep in mind

744
00:38:54.519 --> 00:38:57.519
<v Speaker 2>the climate. Right two thousand and three, we invade Rock,

745
00:38:57.960 --> 00:39:00.440
<v Speaker 2>we find no weapons of mass instruction.

746
00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:02.480
<v Speaker 1>We couldn't tell the American people.

747
00:39:02.280 --> 00:39:04.320
<v Speaker 2>Were about to do some function to Iran for the

748
00:39:04.360 --> 00:39:07.559
<v Speaker 2>same thing after we just blew our load to no

749
00:39:07.719 --> 00:39:10.599
<v Speaker 2>avail in the Iraq situation, so we had to do

750
00:39:10.639 --> 00:39:14.880
<v Speaker 2>it covert. So Israel was developing a nuclear site. They

751
00:39:14.920 --> 00:39:17.880
<v Speaker 2>wanted to become a nuclear player. Now they already had

752
00:39:17.960 --> 00:39:19.840
<v Speaker 2>nuclear weapons that we gave them, but as far as

753
00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:24.519
<v Speaker 2>nuclear power was concerned, it was this, uh, the worst

754
00:39:24.599 --> 00:39:25.599
<v Speaker 2>kept secret of.

755
00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:26.280
<v Speaker 1>The Middle East.

756
00:39:27.159 --> 00:39:30.400
<v Speaker 2>That way, I'm being honest. Everybody knew. Israel always of

757
00:39:30.400 --> 00:39:32.679
<v Speaker 2>course denied Tony deny. I don't know what you're talking about,

758
00:39:32.679 --> 00:39:34.960
<v Speaker 2>plead the fifth whatever or whatever their version of the

759
00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:40.079
<v Speaker 2>Fifth is. But everybody knew that that site specifically was

760
00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:42.440
<v Speaker 2>Israel's nuclear site that they were developing.

761
00:39:42.920 --> 00:39:43.199
<v Speaker 3>It was.

762
00:39:43.239 --> 00:39:44.599
<v Speaker 1>It was a horribly kept secret.

763
00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:47.840
<v Speaker 2>But because it was still in the building stages of it,

764
00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:51.880
<v Speaker 2>the centrifuges were being installed, so they used them as

765
00:39:52.039 --> 00:39:54.599
<v Speaker 2>the test run, if you will, and they just wanted

766
00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:58.360
<v Speaker 2>to see would this work. Could we force this mechanical

767
00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:01.320
<v Speaker 2>device to spin itself into oblivion?

768
00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:03.760
<v Speaker 1>And then let's backtrack it even further.

769
00:40:04.280 --> 00:40:09.800
<v Speaker 2>Can we get this device, this program to record normal

770
00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:13.880
<v Speaker 2>everyday operations, and then by the time the people running

771
00:40:13.880 --> 00:40:17.400
<v Speaker 2>the facility realize that something's gone horribly wrong, there's already

772
00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:19.599
<v Speaker 2>like twenty machines that are now fucked up instead of

773
00:40:19.639 --> 00:40:24.079
<v Speaker 2>just the one. And then even further, how can we

774
00:40:24.119 --> 00:40:26.960
<v Speaker 2>fit all of that onto a flash drive?

775
00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:31.000
<v Speaker 1>Alien tech? Obviously alien tech.

776
00:40:31.320 --> 00:40:35.079
<v Speaker 2>And then once we get all of these components together,

777
00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:38.719
<v Speaker 2>now we need to make sure that it can't go

778
00:40:38.800 --> 00:40:42.519
<v Speaker 2>live until we want it to go live. Okay, good,

779
00:40:42.599 --> 00:40:44.719
<v Speaker 2>got that check. And then also we have to find

780
00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:49.400
<v Speaker 2>a willing participant to basically sacrifice their life.

781
00:40:49.119 --> 00:40:52.079
<v Speaker 1>To install it. I mean they probably told him that

782
00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:53.880
<v Speaker 1>he was gonna be fine and here's a bunch of

783
00:40:53.920 --> 00:40:55.719
<v Speaker 1>money and like all this crap game.

784
00:40:56.000 --> 00:40:58.079
<v Speaker 2>They told him he was going to get American citizenship

785
00:40:58.159 --> 00:40:59.679
<v Speaker 2>or some shit. He was probably hiding out.

786
00:40:59.519 --> 00:41:02.639
<v Speaker 1>In Dubai, probably got like, you know, a billion dollars

787
00:41:02.679 --> 00:41:05.559
<v Speaker 1>and was like, holy shit, this is gonna be awesome.

788
00:41:05.719 --> 00:41:07.239
<v Speaker 1>Oh man, uh.

789
00:41:07.800 --> 00:41:10.639
<v Speaker 2>In those days, billionaire in two thousand and three, two

790
00:41:10.639 --> 00:41:12.920
<v Speaker 2>thousand and five timeframes when they really started to work

791
00:41:12.960 --> 00:41:13.199
<v Speaker 2>on it.

792
00:41:13.119 --> 00:41:15.840
<v Speaker 1>It was installed in eight. No way a billion. I

793
00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:18.440
<v Speaker 1>don't even know if we had billionaires in eight maybe Gates.

794
00:41:18.719 --> 00:41:20.960
<v Speaker 1>I have no idea, to be honest with you, but.

795
00:41:20.840 --> 00:41:24.239
<v Speaker 2>They definitely they had. They give him a pretty sizeable bag.

796
00:41:24.519 --> 00:41:27.719
<v Speaker 1>I would think, so, how did this Well, I guess

797
00:41:27.760 --> 00:41:29.639
<v Speaker 1>we're going to get to that. I want to understand

798
00:41:29.880 --> 00:41:33.440
<v Speaker 1>who was able to figure out that, Like, clearly something

799
00:41:33.559 --> 00:41:36.920
<v Speaker 1>was happening, but you know, no one really knew for

800
00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:39.000
<v Speaker 1>years what that something was.

801
00:41:39.400 --> 00:41:42.039
<v Speaker 2>So that's kind of why and how Aroan hasn't been

802
00:41:42.039 --> 00:41:47.199
<v Speaker 2>able to develop nukes because it took them years to backtrack.

803
00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:50.599
<v Speaker 2>Basically had to shut the site down because the computers

804
00:41:50.639 --> 00:41:53.519
<v Speaker 2>are showing that everything's running correctly. But I'm watching this

805
00:41:53.599 --> 00:41:56.800
<v Speaker 2>thing tear itself apart, so something is wrong here. They

806
00:41:56.840 --> 00:41:59.000
<v Speaker 2>had to go all the way back to the PLC rack.

807
00:41:59.320 --> 00:42:01.519
<v Speaker 2>They had to work their way upwards from there to

808
00:42:01.639 --> 00:42:04.119
<v Speaker 2>make sure that that was the only spot that it was.

809
00:42:04.440 --> 00:42:07.880
<v Speaker 2>And that's before it jumped onto the internet. Oh oh yeah,

810
00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:09.960
<v Speaker 2>stucks that made its way to the World Wide Web.

811
00:42:10.119 --> 00:42:13.239
<v Speaker 1>What's crazy, though, is like I wonder, I wonder how

812
00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:15.400
<v Speaker 1>they found it, Like I wonder how they were able

813
00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:18.280
<v Speaker 1>to like finally trace it back. But I mean people

814
00:42:18.639 --> 00:42:21.639
<v Speaker 1>that understand this computer stuff though, are crazy smart.

815
00:42:21.679 --> 00:42:25.119
<v Speaker 2>Like, yeah, I tried, I really did.

816
00:42:25.159 --> 00:42:26.840
<v Speaker 1>While I was working in that field.

817
00:42:26.880 --> 00:42:30.000
<v Speaker 2>There's certain things, certain components that I like really dove

818
00:42:30.039 --> 00:42:32.679
<v Speaker 2>in on to try to become a better employee. And

819
00:42:32.719 --> 00:42:35.000
<v Speaker 2>then there were certain things where it's like I would

820
00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:38.360
<v Speaker 2>have to go to specialized training to understand what I'm

821
00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:41.719
<v Speaker 2>even reading right now. Like I don't speak code. I

822
00:42:41.719 --> 00:42:45.800
<v Speaker 2>can I can read binary, hexadecimal and octadecimal. I can

823
00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:48.559
<v Speaker 2>program PLCs. I could do these things to a certain level.

824
00:42:48.559 --> 00:42:52.440
<v Speaker 2>But like, brother, you're talking about doing some wild you know,

825
00:42:53.320 --> 00:42:57.519
<v Speaker 2>some computer program that I first off don't have access to,

826
00:42:57.559 --> 00:43:00.360
<v Speaker 2>a second I've never heard of before, And third, I

827
00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:03.320
<v Speaker 2>might know one guy from college that might know what

828
00:43:03.400 --> 00:43:04.559
<v Speaker 2>I'm even looking at, right, and no.

829
00:43:04.639 --> 00:43:06.519
<v Speaker 1>Two guys actually, off the top of my head that

830
00:43:06.519 --> 00:43:09.719
<v Speaker 1>would be the people. Actually one of them disappeared into

831
00:43:09.760 --> 00:43:14.679
<v Speaker 1>the into the government, and like, I'm not even actually,

832
00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:19.679
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm not even exaggerating, Old Higgins. Wherever you Wiggins,

833
00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:21.960
<v Speaker 1>wherever you are, Higgins, I know you're out there, and

834
00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:24.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you're somehow going to find this because Bro

835
00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:27.599
<v Speaker 1>is so smart. But yeah, I know he would be

836
00:43:27.679 --> 00:43:29.079
<v Speaker 1>the one to be able to do this.

837
00:43:29.239 --> 00:43:32.840
<v Speaker 2>Me shout out to Higgins, friend of the show he is, Yeah,

838
00:43:32.880 --> 00:43:34.760
<v Speaker 2>shout out. He'd be a great guy to have on

839
00:43:34.840 --> 00:43:35.239
<v Speaker 2>the show.

840
00:43:35.400 --> 00:43:37.559
<v Speaker 1>I doubt he'd be down and even find him anymore.

841
00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:41.119
<v Speaker 1>He literally went to work for the government and disappeared. Higgins.

842
00:43:41.400 --> 00:43:42.880
<v Speaker 2>If you're listening, Bro, drop us a.

843
00:43:42.800 --> 00:43:48.079
<v Speaker 1>Line off of all like all sources traces everything he's gone. God,

844
00:43:48.400 --> 00:43:52.199
<v Speaker 1>like your mail a letter to our po box. Speaking

845
00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:55.440
<v Speaker 1>of I know that he probably will somehow hear this.

846
00:43:55.559 --> 00:43:57.599
<v Speaker 1>I don't know why I know this, but like I

847
00:43:57.679 --> 00:44:00.599
<v Speaker 1>just feel it in my soul somehow way. But we

848
00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:02.440
<v Speaker 1>know a lot of people. I know a lot of

849
00:44:02.480 --> 00:44:04.679
<v Speaker 1>people that are in a lot of different weird places

850
00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:07.039
<v Speaker 1>in the world. But this stuff, though my mom would

851
00:44:07.039 --> 00:44:09.400
<v Speaker 1>be able to do it, not me. I'm I don't

852
00:44:09.480 --> 00:44:11.800
<v Speaker 1>understand it all because it's so even when I had

853
00:44:11.800 --> 00:44:14.159
<v Speaker 1>a program stuff from the basic level, so I had

854
00:44:14.199 --> 00:44:17.320
<v Speaker 1>to like build an entire program and like code it

855
00:44:17.360 --> 00:44:19.480
<v Speaker 1>out for cell phones to be able to talk to

856
00:44:19.519 --> 00:44:21.639
<v Speaker 1>each other and stuff, and for phones to be able

857
00:44:21.679 --> 00:44:24.320
<v Speaker 1>to work and stuff. Man, the only reason I'm gonna

858
00:44:24.320 --> 00:44:26.440
<v Speaker 1>be really honest that was the equipment you were physically

859
00:44:26.440 --> 00:44:28.679
<v Speaker 1>working on with your hands. So like you got me.

860
00:44:28.719 --> 00:44:30.320
<v Speaker 1>I got to like type on the computer, though I

861
00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:32.000
<v Speaker 1>had to like put them all together, and then I

862
00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:36.679
<v Speaker 1>had to like program it out. Memorization was my friend.

863
00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:38.920
<v Speaker 1>Like that's that's how I was able to do it.

864
00:44:38.920 --> 00:44:41.960
<v Speaker 1>But like just sitting with this stuff, I've watched people

865
00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:45.280
<v Speaker 1>that were actually smart enough to like break down codes

866
00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:47.159
<v Speaker 1>and like they're looking at all these things, and I

867
00:44:47.199 --> 00:44:49.800
<v Speaker 1>was like, what are we looking at? Like they're literally

868
00:44:49.880 --> 00:44:53.360
<v Speaker 1>just numbers. It might confused, but I look, I'm be

869
00:44:53.400 --> 00:44:53.840
<v Speaker 1>honest with you.

870
00:44:53.880 --> 00:44:55.840
<v Speaker 2>I thought I was I thought I was smart when

871
00:44:55.880 --> 00:44:59.039
<v Speaker 2>I learned how to program my radio. Yeah, because they

872
00:44:59.039 --> 00:45:00.599
<v Speaker 2>taught us how to do it to the tune of

873
00:45:00.679 --> 00:45:01.199
<v Speaker 2>Iron Man.

874
00:45:01.840 --> 00:45:02.159
<v Speaker 1>Nice.

875
00:45:02.760 --> 00:45:04.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, fuck now I forgot the first one, the first

876
00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:08.599
<v Speaker 2>two of it something something load and so that's how

877
00:45:08.599 --> 00:45:11.039
<v Speaker 2>you load my radio. Yeah, And I was.

878
00:45:11.039 --> 00:45:14.880
<v Speaker 1>Like, oh, I can remember that. I've already forgot it.

879
00:45:14.159 --> 00:45:15.840
<v Speaker 3>I mean.

880
00:45:16.039 --> 00:45:18.960
<v Speaker 1>That's what's crazy, though, is it's ever changing, like all

881
00:45:18.960 --> 00:45:21.840
<v Speaker 1>of us is, Yeah, constantly changing and involving. I think

882
00:45:21.840 --> 00:45:24.719
<v Speaker 1>the people that actually are hackers and do all that stuff,

883
00:45:25.079 --> 00:45:28.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, that's a level of genius though that oh

884
00:45:28.119 --> 00:45:29.679
<v Speaker 1>I would never come to like.

885
00:45:29.599 --> 00:45:34.119
<v Speaker 2>This required two separate groups of hackers geniuses, Like literally

886
00:45:34.159 --> 00:45:36.599
<v Speaker 2>all of them had to be geniuses to figure this out. So,

887
00:45:36.639 --> 00:45:38.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, we always talk about that the government definitely

888
00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:41.360
<v Speaker 2>has hacker groups. We're gonna be talking about two of

889
00:45:41.400 --> 00:45:44.559
<v Speaker 2>them on this one that are like famously known to

890
00:45:44.719 --> 00:45:46.840
<v Speaker 2>be Dark Web hackers that.

891
00:45:46.960 --> 00:45:49.280
<v Speaker 1>Like the thing that people don't know, like even I

892
00:45:49.400 --> 00:45:52.559
<v Speaker 1>know this. And I've been like, let's be really honest,

893
00:45:52.639 --> 00:45:55.119
<v Speaker 1>outside of like coming on the podcast, I've been living

894
00:45:55.159 --> 00:45:58.920
<v Speaker 1>in books, yeah, and like reading research and doing that stuff.

895
00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:01.280
<v Speaker 1>So like for me to know this, you guys all

896
00:46:01.320 --> 00:46:02.679
<v Speaker 1>know this. I feel like.

897
00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:06.320
<v Speaker 2>People might like they know it the same way that

898
00:46:06.360 --> 00:46:11.119
<v Speaker 2>they know that the refrigerator is currently on right now, right, Yeah,

899
00:46:11.159 --> 00:46:14.159
<v Speaker 2>like your refrigerator is running, catch it? No, no, no,

900
00:46:14.159 --> 00:46:18.280
<v Speaker 2>sious though, like, oh, you know I loved Dad Joe

901
00:46:19.760 --> 00:46:23.039
<v Speaker 2>dad jokes. You're solid anyway, you know that your refrigerator

902
00:46:23.079 --> 00:46:26.719
<v Speaker 2>is currently running, even though you don't actually know that.

903
00:46:27.079 --> 00:46:27.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know.

904
00:46:27.719 --> 00:46:29.800
<v Speaker 2>It's kind of like that. People probably know that there's

905
00:46:30.440 --> 00:46:34.519
<v Speaker 2>government sanctioned hacker groups operating at their behest, but they

906
00:46:34.519 --> 00:46:36.400
<v Speaker 2>haven't really given it much thought beyond that.

907
00:46:37.119 --> 00:46:39.639
<v Speaker 1>It's just one of those things. I don't know that

908
00:46:39.719 --> 00:46:41.400
<v Speaker 1>makes sense. When I was younger, and I was just

909
00:46:41.440 --> 00:46:45.360
<v Speaker 1>like cool, that is never going to be me. But like, look,

910
00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:48.480
<v Speaker 1>my mom built an entire system from the ground up,

911
00:46:48.599 --> 00:46:51.840
<v Speaker 1>like literally train herself built it for the entire company,

912
00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:54.400
<v Speaker 1>which the company she worked for was massive, by the way,

913
00:46:55.239 --> 00:46:58.519
<v Speaker 1>it is a massive company. She's the one that created

914
00:46:58.519 --> 00:47:01.159
<v Speaker 1>the entire system they still use to day. And I

915
00:47:01.239 --> 00:47:02.760
<v Speaker 1>was like, she would tell me about this stuff, and

916
00:47:02.760 --> 00:47:07.800
<v Speaker 1>I was like, man, I'm gonna go into the garden keyboard.

917
00:47:08.920 --> 00:47:15.760
<v Speaker 1>It's a keyboard for you. She showed me. Shit, nos,

918
00:47:15.800 --> 00:47:19.159
<v Speaker 1>it's like boo, my my dad needs some help out

919
00:47:19.159 --> 00:47:22.719
<v Speaker 1>there cleaning the cars or the chickens, or I'll go

920
00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:24.960
<v Speaker 1>water the plants. I'll go poll some wheeds. I was

921
00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:27.880
<v Speaker 1>like me, and she's like, yeah, you gotta like type here,

922
00:47:27.880 --> 00:47:30.480
<v Speaker 1>type here, click click. I was like, man, you lost

923
00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:33.280
<v Speaker 1>me on click one and type what, Like what are

924
00:47:33.280 --> 00:47:35.199
<v Speaker 1>we talking? I'm gonna have to get a notepad, like

925
00:47:35.679 --> 00:47:38.400
<v Speaker 1>I need you to tell me everything step by step

926
00:47:38.440 --> 00:47:40.400
<v Speaker 1>by step, and even then I'll probably fuck it up.

927
00:47:41.480 --> 00:47:43.480
<v Speaker 1>What's crazy, though, is I taught myself radio stuff.

928
00:47:43.559 --> 00:47:46.239
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, because it was important to you because it

929
00:47:46.280 --> 00:47:48.920
<v Speaker 2>was your job, right and it's something that was essentially

930
00:47:49.000 --> 00:47:50.760
<v Speaker 2>life or death at a certain point, So it got

931
00:47:50.760 --> 00:47:51.519
<v Speaker 2>a little more serious.

932
00:47:51.599 --> 00:47:54.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, radios and blue Force trackers and stuff like that,

933
00:47:54.840 --> 00:47:57.559
<v Speaker 1>which is like a computer program and stuff, you know,

934
00:47:57.880 --> 00:48:00.719
<v Speaker 1>and satellites and that stuff. Maybe because I just I

935
00:48:01.239 --> 00:48:03.159
<v Speaker 1>was like determined to make sure that we had the

936
00:48:03.199 --> 00:48:06.719
<v Speaker 1>best calm up possible because you know, people's lives literally

937
00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:08.360
<v Speaker 1>depended on it.

938
00:48:08.360 --> 00:48:10.840
<v Speaker 2>It's a little a little different scope, you know, a

939
00:48:11.119 --> 00:48:12.440
<v Speaker 2>little more weight behind it.

940
00:48:12.679 --> 00:48:14.800
<v Speaker 1>But just like sitting on the computer, I've actually like

941
00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:17.519
<v Speaker 1>looked into trying to do that, like the coding and

942
00:48:17.559 --> 00:48:19.880
<v Speaker 1>stuff like we're talking about. And I looked at it

943
00:48:19.920 --> 00:48:22.679
<v Speaker 1>for about five minutes and I was like, I don't

944
00:48:22.719 --> 00:48:25.880
<v Speaker 1>speak computer I was like, man, that's why fron was

945
00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:26.719
<v Speaker 1>a great movie.

946
00:48:26.920 --> 00:48:29.159
<v Speaker 2>For the job that I had. It was very much

947
00:48:29.440 --> 00:48:31.599
<v Speaker 2>like on my tools, like, yeah, every now and then

948
00:48:31.599 --> 00:48:33.360
<v Speaker 2>I have to get a laptop and hook up. But

949
00:48:33.400 --> 00:48:36.480
<v Speaker 2>that was the rare exception, you know what I mean?

950
00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:40.440
<v Speaker 2>That was that was the maybe maybe once every six

951
00:48:40.559 --> 00:48:43.840
<v Speaker 2>months there was something that required that level of technical

952
00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:46.280
<v Speaker 2>know how. Everything else was was fucking hand tools.

953
00:48:46.360 --> 00:48:49.719
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I drive truck like yo, like motor

954
00:48:49.760 --> 00:48:52.840
<v Speaker 1>T style on on this. Yes, shout out to motor

955
00:48:52.840 --> 00:48:55.400
<v Speaker 1>T Marines. We're not not on you. I will, but.

956
00:48:56.960 --> 00:49:00.159
<v Speaker 2>Rude, no, I'm not saying all motor Te marines or

957
00:49:00.199 --> 00:49:02.920
<v Speaker 2>ship I'm saying that the ones that I personally dealt

958
00:49:02.960 --> 00:49:04.800
<v Speaker 2>with in d C.

959
00:49:05.840 --> 00:49:11.039
<v Speaker 1>Were Okay, d C is like a fucking unicorn whatever

960
00:49:11.239 --> 00:49:15.360
<v Speaker 1>situation of another one, So like I recognize that, let's

961
00:49:15.440 --> 00:49:18.480
<v Speaker 1>just like bear with it, Okay, everything about you DC

962
00:49:18.800 --> 00:49:24.159
<v Speaker 1>is like fucking out of Narnia straight up. Like experiences

963
00:49:24.199 --> 00:49:28.440
<v Speaker 1>may very vastly from different planes in the Marine Corps,

964
00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:31.800
<v Speaker 1>like his experiences. My experiences are like completely and day,

965
00:49:32.440 --> 00:49:34.800
<v Speaker 1>night and day. I have friends that have experienced totally

966
00:49:34.840 --> 00:49:38.400
<v Speaker 1>different things. Hell, I still find out new moss in

967
00:49:38.440 --> 00:49:41.719
<v Speaker 1>the Marine Corps. That I'm like, what the fuck is that? Like?

968
00:49:42.159 --> 00:49:45.400
<v Speaker 2>Random use specialized things. It's like, there's only a thousand

969
00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:47.440
<v Speaker 2>of you in the entire Marine Corps. How do you promote?

970
00:49:47.519 --> 00:49:50.599
<v Speaker 1>Well, we kind of don't. Why are you doing this?

971
00:49:51.039 --> 00:49:54.679
<v Speaker 1>It's what the for? The fire and rescue people. Have

972
00:49:55.519 --> 00:49:57.559
<v Speaker 1>you ever met some of them? I met too, So

973
00:49:57.639 --> 00:50:01.360
<v Speaker 1>I've met so I knew for them because they happened

974
00:50:01.360 --> 00:50:04.039
<v Speaker 1>to be hunging, hanging out in calm school.

975
00:50:04.119 --> 00:50:08.000
<v Speaker 2>Were they like wingside was around the wing only I've

976
00:50:08.079 --> 00:50:10.199
<v Speaker 2>met two of them on a range one time. That's

977
00:50:10.199 --> 00:50:12.760
<v Speaker 2>the same place I met the weatherman, which was crazy.

978
00:50:13.000 --> 00:50:14.519
<v Speaker 1>There's a Marine Corps weatherman.

979
00:50:14.559 --> 00:50:17.440
<v Speaker 2>On airstrips because he has to know They have to

980
00:50:17.440 --> 00:50:19.880
<v Speaker 2>know the humidity, they have to know the wind direction,

981
00:50:20.199 --> 00:50:23.760
<v Speaker 2>all these things. I three weatherman. I'm like, so how

982
00:50:23.760 --> 00:50:25.639
<v Speaker 2>many of though? Were only this many in the wing?

983
00:50:25.679 --> 00:50:28.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, so you promote? When that guy gets out, I'm.

984
00:50:28.159 --> 00:50:33.000
<v Speaker 1>Like, fuck that he does pretty much. Look, I will

985
00:50:33.039 --> 00:50:36.320
<v Speaker 1>say though, that I that mos Tho the Fire and

986
00:50:36.320 --> 00:50:41.719
<v Speaker 1>Rescue is probably one of the toughest, most physically demanding

987
00:50:41.920 --> 00:50:45.880
<v Speaker 1>moses out of anyone in the Marine Corps. I witnessed

988
00:50:45.880 --> 00:50:47.760
<v Speaker 1>some of it. And I've actually talked to the people

989
00:50:47.760 --> 00:50:51.000
<v Speaker 1>that like actually passed, and I actually know two that

990
00:50:51.119 --> 00:50:55.280
<v Speaker 1>failed and became calm people. And I will say it

991
00:50:55.320 --> 00:50:58.599
<v Speaker 1>is by far one of the toughest, if not like

992
00:50:58.679 --> 00:51:02.519
<v Speaker 1>in the top three toughest moss in the Marine corps.

993
00:51:02.559 --> 00:51:05.760
<v Speaker 1>Like straight up, I want no problems with these people.

994
00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:06.559
<v Speaker 1>I want no smoke.

995
00:51:06.800 --> 00:51:09.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, ah no. But the two that I met,

996
00:51:10.039 --> 00:51:13.400
<v Speaker 2>they were stationed on an airstrip so that if there

997
00:51:13.480 --> 00:51:15.440
<v Speaker 2>was a crash land they could respond.

998
00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:17.320
<v Speaker 1>For a wild time. Anyways, back to.

999
00:51:17.960 --> 00:51:23.280
<v Speaker 2>Sorry, sorry sorry, So countdown to zero also places Stuck's

1000
00:51:23.360 --> 00:51:27.159
<v Speaker 2>Net in political context. The first version of Stuck's Net

1001
00:51:27.199 --> 00:51:30.159
<v Speaker 2>was built and unleashed by the Bush administration in two

1002
00:51:30.199 --> 00:51:34.320
<v Speaker 2>thousand and seven. According to Zetter, Iran accelerated its enrichment

1003
00:51:34.360 --> 00:51:37.800
<v Speaker 2>process in two thousand and eight, so they installed it

1004
00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:40.079
<v Speaker 2>right at a critical point when Iran was trying to

1005
00:51:40.159 --> 00:51:44.559
<v Speaker 2>ramp up production. President Obama inherited the program. He not

1006
00:51:44.679 --> 00:51:46.880
<v Speaker 2>only continued it, but accelerated it.

1007
00:51:47.119 --> 00:51:47.800
<v Speaker 1>So here's the deal.

1008
00:51:47.800 --> 00:51:51.440
<v Speaker 2>When Bush was doing his pass down with Obama, he like,

1009
00:51:51.519 --> 00:51:53.159
<v Speaker 2>of all the things, all things, Yes, we got this

1010
00:51:53.239 --> 00:51:55.519
<v Speaker 2>going on. Listen, there's this secret program.

1011
00:51:56.239 --> 00:51:58.320
<v Speaker 1>Keep going with it. If you don't want.

1012
00:51:58.159 --> 00:52:00.920
<v Speaker 2>To deal with Iran attacking Israel and that to us problem,

1013
00:52:01.360 --> 00:52:04.400
<v Speaker 2>you need to just lean into this. Let the nerds

1014
00:52:04.440 --> 00:52:07.159
<v Speaker 2>do their nerd thing and let them fuck up the

1015
00:52:07.159 --> 00:52:09.760
<v Speaker 2>Iranian nuclear shit to where we don't actually have to

1016
00:52:09.760 --> 00:52:14.239
<v Speaker 2>shoot a bullet. And Obama was like, got you say

1017
00:52:14.320 --> 00:52:17.480
<v Speaker 2>less and just decided to throw more funding behind it.

1018
00:52:17.599 --> 00:52:21.880
<v Speaker 2>Super low key under the radar. So anyway, Another more

1019
00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:25.440
<v Speaker 2>aggressive version of stucks net was released in June two

1020
00:52:25.480 --> 00:52:28.960
<v Speaker 2>thousand and nine, and again in twenty ten. Obama gave

1021
00:52:29.000 --> 00:52:32.400
<v Speaker 2>the order to unleash stucks Net while publicly demanding Iran

1022
00:52:32.480 --> 00:52:35.880
<v Speaker 2>to open itself up to negotiations. This is this is

1023
00:52:35.880 --> 00:52:39.159
<v Speaker 2>that that'll rope a dope. You know what I'm saying.

1024
00:52:39.199 --> 00:52:42.000
<v Speaker 1>Look over here. Meanwhile, I'm fucking you over here, and

1025
00:52:42.079 --> 00:52:42.679
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying.

1026
00:52:43.079 --> 00:52:46.000
<v Speaker 2>You're looking at my face listen, iron Actually I'm not

1027
00:52:46.079 --> 00:52:47.400
<v Speaker 2>trying to do my my Obama pression.

1028
00:52:47.559 --> 00:52:48.320
<v Speaker 1>Oh god, here we go.

1029
00:52:48.960 --> 00:52:52.880
<v Speaker 2>We need the iatola to come to the negotiation tables

1030
00:52:53.199 --> 00:52:57.960
<v Speaker 2>and uh stop this whole nuclear fiasco before it happens.

1031
00:52:59.079 --> 00:53:00.639
<v Speaker 2>I actually do a pretty decent Obama.

1032
00:53:01.159 --> 00:53:04.800
<v Speaker 1>It's alright, it's all right, one, all.

1033
00:53:05.519 --> 00:53:09.440
<v Speaker 2>Meanwhile, in reality, they were They were slipping an even

1034
00:53:10.079 --> 00:53:13.719
<v Speaker 2>harder to find, more aggressive version of the virus into

1035
00:53:13.760 --> 00:53:17.639
<v Speaker 2>their nuclear program. And old BOYD already died. So how

1036
00:53:17.719 --> 00:53:19.679
<v Speaker 2>they do that, you might ask, It's a great question.

1037
00:53:19.800 --> 00:53:23.000
<v Speaker 2>Let's read more. Obama gave you Orr said that, ra

1038
00:53:23.079 --> 00:53:25.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry. The effectiveness of the world's first cyber weapon

1039
00:53:26.000 --> 00:53:29.760
<v Speaker 2>remains a subject of debate. The most optimistic assessment of

1040
00:53:29.800 --> 00:53:33.360
<v Speaker 2>Stuck's net is that it delayed and slowed Iran's uranium

1041
00:53:33.360 --> 00:53:38.039
<v Speaker 2>development enough to dissuade Israel from unilaterally striking the country,

1042
00:53:38.519 --> 00:53:42.280
<v Speaker 2>and it afforded time for intelligence and diplomatic efforts. Stuck's

1043
00:53:42.320 --> 00:53:46.079
<v Speaker 2>net contributed to dissension and frustration among the upper ranks

1044
00:53:46.079 --> 00:53:49.079
<v Speaker 2>of Iran's government. The head of Iran's nuclear program was

1045
00:53:49.119 --> 00:53:53.519
<v Speaker 2>replaced and bought time killed he obviously he was killed,

1046
00:53:54.400 --> 00:53:57.840
<v Speaker 2>and it bought time for harsh economic sanctions to impact

1047
00:53:57.920 --> 00:54:03.239
<v Speaker 2>Iranian public to a point. To a point, right, like

1048
00:54:03.360 --> 00:54:05.880
<v Speaker 2>Iran has always had their homies that they do business with,

1049
00:54:06.280 --> 00:54:09.880
<v Speaker 2>they have become ostracized from the rest of the world community.

1050
00:54:09.920 --> 00:54:11.960
<v Speaker 2>They're one of these nations like North Korea that like

1051
00:54:12.199 --> 00:54:14.880
<v Speaker 2>no one wants to fuck with. But the only ones

1052
00:54:14.880 --> 00:54:17.519
<v Speaker 2>that are willing to fuck with, like they go hard with,

1053
00:54:17.599 --> 00:54:19.519
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. Same with like North Korea

1054
00:54:19.519 --> 00:54:24.119
<v Speaker 2>and China. China doesn't like Kim Jong, but like no

1055
00:54:24.159 --> 00:54:26.639
<v Speaker 2>one else is willing to reach out to them, so

1056
00:54:26.679 --> 00:54:29.719
<v Speaker 2>they they're tight like that kind of thing. Iran's the

1057
00:54:29.719 --> 00:54:30.960
<v Speaker 2>same with China and Russia.

1058
00:54:31.199 --> 00:54:31.840
<v Speaker 1>Food for thought.

1059
00:54:32.440 --> 00:54:37.000
<v Speaker 2>Stuck's Net actually had very little effect on Iran's nuclear program.

1060
00:54:37.519 --> 00:54:39.920
<v Speaker 2>It was premature. It could have had a much bigger

1061
00:54:39.920 --> 00:54:43.360
<v Speaker 2>effect had the attackers weighted. Iran still made a net

1062
00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:46.679
<v Speaker 2>gain in their uranium stockpile while being attacked, and they

1063
00:54:47.679 --> 00:54:51.639
<v Speaker 2>are updating their centrifuges, which would make Stuck's Net obsolete.

1064
00:54:53.000 --> 00:54:55.320
<v Speaker 2>To say that they up their uranium stockpile, that's a

1065
00:54:55.320 --> 00:54:56.039
<v Speaker 2>true statement.

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00:54:56.360 --> 00:54:56.639
<v Speaker 3>It did.

1067
00:54:56.800 --> 00:55:03.480
<v Speaker 1>They didn't upgrade their enriched geranium stockpile. It was all like, you.

1068
00:55:03.360 --> 00:55:07.960
<v Speaker 2>Know, unrefined, so to speak. The more unsettling parts of

1069
00:55:08.039 --> 00:55:13.199
<v Speaker 2>the books catalog security vulnerabilities in America's public infrastructure which

1070
00:55:13.239 --> 00:55:16.760
<v Speaker 2>could easily be victim to a stucks Neet style attack,

1071
00:55:17.360 --> 00:55:21.360
<v Speaker 2>and considered the implications of the era sucks Net heralded.

1072
00:55:21.719 --> 00:55:26.199
<v Speaker 2>For example, in two thousand and one, hackers attacked California ISO,

1073
00:55:26.639 --> 00:55:30.000
<v Speaker 2>a nonprofit corporation that manages the transmission system for moving

1074
00:55:30.079 --> 00:55:34.400
<v Speaker 2>electricity through most of California. More recently, Zeta writes that

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00:55:34.440 --> 00:55:38.599
<v Speaker 2>in twenty eleven, a security research team quote penetrated the

1076
00:55:38.639 --> 00:55:42.159
<v Speaker 2>remote access system for the Southern California Water Plant and

1077
00:55:42.320 --> 00:55:45.599
<v Speaker 2>was able to take control of equipment the facility used

1078
00:55:45.639 --> 00:55:49.239
<v Speaker 2>for adding chemicals to drinking water end quote. And y'all

1079
00:55:49.320 --> 00:55:51.920
<v Speaker 2>might remember that twenty eleven there was this whole cyber

1080
00:55:51.920 --> 00:55:53.239
<v Speaker 2>attack where they had lost.

1081
00:55:53.119 --> 00:55:56.360
<v Speaker 1>Control of water valves, and I remember.

1082
00:55:56.400 --> 00:56:00.199
<v Speaker 2>People kind of downplayed that, like, oh, yeah, hackers and

1083
00:56:00.239 --> 00:56:02.920
<v Speaker 2>get in terms of water valves. Ooh, And it's like

1084
00:56:04.039 --> 00:56:05.880
<v Speaker 2>we should kind of look a little deeper into this.

1085
00:56:05.960 --> 00:56:09.559
<v Speaker 2>How were hackers able to hack into a city's water

1086
00:56:09.679 --> 00:56:13.800
<v Speaker 2>mainframe in order to shut and close and open valves?

1087
00:56:13.840 --> 00:56:15.840
<v Speaker 2>And like, that's that's not a good thing. And if

1088
00:56:15.840 --> 00:56:20.239
<v Speaker 2>that's vulnerable, how secure is the rest of our infrastructure.

1089
00:56:20.519 --> 00:56:23.480
<v Speaker 2>Water's kind of critical to human life, some might say,

1090
00:56:23.559 --> 00:56:27.039
<v Speaker 2>the second most important thing next to air. Yet somehow

1091
00:56:27.119 --> 00:56:30.679
<v Speaker 2>some hacker group was able to just do that. Yeah,

1092
00:56:30.760 --> 00:56:31.920
<v Speaker 2>that's a bit concerning.

1093
00:56:32.360 --> 00:56:34.360
<v Speaker 1>You know, what kills me is the open air water

1094
00:56:35.119 --> 00:56:37.280
<v Speaker 1>tanks and stuff back in the day. I don't know

1095
00:56:37.280 --> 00:56:39.880
<v Speaker 1>if they still have those. Some do, but like there

1096
00:56:40.000 --> 00:56:42.159
<v Speaker 1>was Yeah, I always thought about that when I was

1097
00:56:42.239 --> 00:56:46.440
<v Speaker 1>driving past them, and I'm like, they're massive, huge water

1098
00:56:46.519 --> 00:56:49.760
<v Speaker 1>tanks that are open aired, and it's like, anyone could

1099
00:56:49.840 --> 00:56:51.920
<v Speaker 1>poison this. And I was saying about that when I

1100
00:56:51.960 --> 00:56:54.000
<v Speaker 1>was like a kid. I was like, anybody could poison

1101
00:56:54.039 --> 00:56:56.880
<v Speaker 1>this and at any point and then we hear all

1102
00:56:56.880 --> 00:56:59.480
<v Speaker 1>about China's bullshit, and then you know, this happens and

1103
00:56:59.519 --> 00:57:02.039
<v Speaker 1>it's like, okay, well, if they can do that, then

1104
00:57:02.039 --> 00:57:04.280
<v Speaker 1>they can make all sorts of other things happen with

1105
00:57:04.320 --> 00:57:07.280
<v Speaker 1>the water. Yeah, which we need the water to be

1106
00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:07.960
<v Speaker 1>able to survive.

1107
00:57:08.159 --> 00:57:10.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, so all right, throwing poison into a water tank,

1108
00:57:11.039 --> 00:57:13.519
<v Speaker 2>I'm with you, right, but that's what we would call

1109
00:57:13.639 --> 00:57:17.559
<v Speaker 2>a kinetic attack. There was something physical that took place there. Yeah,

1110
00:57:17.679 --> 00:57:19.679
<v Speaker 2>And I've said the same thing. I worked at a

1111
00:57:19.719 --> 00:57:24.199
<v Speaker 2>shell for a good chunk of time, and there's these

1112
00:57:24.440 --> 00:57:29.239
<v Speaker 2>massive butted dying tanks that are really close to the highway.

1113
00:57:29.639 --> 00:57:31.800
<v Speaker 1>If you don't know what butted dying is, look it up.

1114
00:57:32.039 --> 00:57:36.800
<v Speaker 2>What I'm saying is if a person, some domestic or

1115
00:57:36.920 --> 00:57:41.280
<v Speaker 2>foreign terroriced group were to shoot some sort of an

1116
00:57:41.280 --> 00:57:45.400
<v Speaker 2>exploding projectile at those tanks. The city is now a crater,

1117
00:57:46.719 --> 00:57:50.440
<v Speaker 2>jeez like, because that would set off a chain reaction.

1118
00:57:50.480 --> 00:57:52.440
<v Speaker 2>That would set off a chain reaction. It would probably

1119
00:57:52.639 --> 00:57:56.079
<v Speaker 2>like re route the Mississippi River on some very real levels.

1120
00:57:56.559 --> 00:57:59.039
<v Speaker 2>These tanks are behind a chain link fence. You can

1121
00:57:59.159 --> 00:58:03.119
<v Speaker 2>visibly see them from the road, and nobody has thought

1122
00:58:03.719 --> 00:58:07.280
<v Speaker 2>of upping security, putting some tree foliage up in the

1123
00:58:07.360 --> 00:58:09.079
<v Speaker 2>front to kind of block them nothing.

1124
00:58:08.840 --> 00:58:11.639
<v Speaker 1>Because some of the stuff they have around the country,

1125
00:58:12.039 --> 00:58:15.360
<v Speaker 1>Because I've drove around this country a lot and I

1126
00:58:15.400 --> 00:58:18.440
<v Speaker 1>see things and I'm like, yeah, who thought of this?

1127
00:58:18.639 --> 00:58:21.239
<v Speaker 1>Like who decided that this was like a good idea

1128
00:58:21.360 --> 00:58:26.360
<v Speaker 1>to just like leave open and accessible to anybody at all.

1129
00:58:26.400 --> 00:58:29.199
<v Speaker 1>And it's just like, Okay, it's wild to me. You

1130
00:58:29.480 --> 00:58:32.199
<v Speaker 1>hear some things that don't make any lock of sense,

1131
00:58:32.239 --> 00:58:34.840
<v Speaker 1>and then other things that make sense you just leave

1132
00:58:35.039 --> 00:58:37.199
<v Speaker 1>completely vulnerable to any attack.

1133
00:58:37.519 --> 00:58:41.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but again we're talking about kinetic attacks. Yeah, cyber

1134
00:58:42.039 --> 00:58:43.440
<v Speaker 2>attacks are something different.

1135
00:58:43.719 --> 00:58:46.159
<v Speaker 1>Cyber attacks are total but like them shutting off just

1136
00:58:46.199 --> 00:58:48.239
<v Speaker 1>the water supply and all of that. You're talking about,

1137
00:58:48.280 --> 00:58:50.719
<v Speaker 1>what if they got ahold of the dams. Yes, the

1138
00:58:50.800 --> 00:58:53.840
<v Speaker 1>dams are what I mean really, like, if you're really

1139
00:58:53.840 --> 00:58:58.840
<v Speaker 1>gonna fuck with some stuff, the dams really could fucking with.

1140
00:58:58.840 --> 00:59:03.039
<v Speaker 2>The entire drinking water situation of California, especially knowing how

1141
00:59:03.119 --> 00:59:05.679
<v Speaker 2>much of a drought they're always in. That's bad enough,

1142
00:59:05.840 --> 00:59:09.320
<v Speaker 2>but even still dams, Or how about the power grid?

1143
00:59:10.079 --> 00:59:12.039
<v Speaker 1>Or how about our own nuclear power.

1144
00:59:11.800 --> 00:59:17.280
<v Speaker 2>Plants or our own nuclear defense systems, Like there's so

1145
00:59:17.400 --> 00:59:19.440
<v Speaker 2>many levels that like, Okay, if you were able to

1146
00:59:19.519 --> 00:59:23.639
<v Speaker 2>do this, what's stopping you from doing that?

1147
00:59:23.719 --> 00:59:27.119
<v Speaker 1>The power grid situation, though, is just a nightmare.

1148
00:59:27.280 --> 00:59:30.679
<v Speaker 2>Our power grid is so I think vulnerable.

1149
00:59:30.760 --> 00:59:33.199
<v Speaker 1>I think we're gonna have to do an actual episode

1150
00:59:33.239 --> 00:59:34.039
<v Speaker 1>on the power grid.

1151
00:59:34.320 --> 00:59:34.800
<v Speaker 2>Sure good.

1152
00:59:34.920 --> 00:59:37.000
<v Speaker 1>When I learned about it the first time, I actually

1153
00:59:37.119 --> 00:59:39.840
<v Speaker 1>tracked it through because I was in this energy class.

1154
00:59:40.079 --> 00:59:42.159
<v Speaker 1>We're talking about all the different types of energy and stuff,

1155
00:59:42.159 --> 00:59:43.880
<v Speaker 1>and we started talking about the power grid, and I

1156
00:59:43.920 --> 00:59:47.440
<v Speaker 1>was like, let me look into this, and it is

1157
00:59:47.559 --> 00:59:50.079
<v Speaker 1>just the most ridiculous thing. I mean, if we're talking

1158
00:59:50.119 --> 00:59:53.199
<v Speaker 1>about they did this for years, yeah, and we they

1159
00:59:53.320 --> 00:59:56.960
<v Speaker 1>know like at least it had the it's called zero

1160
00:59:57.199 --> 00:59:59.880
<v Speaker 1>what again, zero points or zero zero?

1161
01:00:00.039 --> 01:00:03.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, shit, you fucked it screwed up. Hold on,

1162
01:00:03.599 --> 01:00:06.079
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna find it now on zero not zero day.

1163
01:00:06.119 --> 01:00:09.440
<v Speaker 1>Huh uh? Countdown to zero day?

1164
01:00:09.559 --> 01:00:10.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, zero day.

1165
01:00:10.400 --> 01:00:14.119
<v Speaker 1>So they had five of those things, Ye easily you

1166
01:00:14.199 --> 01:00:18.599
<v Speaker 1>could do. You use that and just absolutely wreak havoc

1167
01:00:19.199 --> 01:00:22.679
<v Speaker 1>in so many areas oh yeah of America. I mean realistically,

1168
01:00:22.760 --> 01:00:26.280
<v Speaker 1>that they attacked or just did a few centralized places,

1169
01:00:27.360 --> 01:00:30.079
<v Speaker 1>we would be screwed, fucked. And it's like, Okay, well

1170
01:00:30.119 --> 01:00:33.400
<v Speaker 1>you showed your hand by using this, and by doing it,

1171
01:00:33.559 --> 01:00:36.519
<v Speaker 1>I guess by doing it too early, it wasn't as effective.

1172
01:00:36.559 --> 01:00:38.639
<v Speaker 1>I mean, but that's the thing that is you would

1173
01:00:38.639 --> 01:00:42.440
<v Speaker 1>you want them to have complete access and have everything

1174
01:00:42.519 --> 01:00:44.639
<v Speaker 1>set up and then go in and do it. Your

1175
01:00:44.719 --> 01:00:48.599
<v Speaker 1>chances of actually getting to that point, though, verse while

1176
01:00:48.599 --> 01:00:50.800
<v Speaker 1>it's on the starting ground up and no one's really

1177
01:00:50.800 --> 01:00:54.599
<v Speaker 1>paying much mind who's around, is the better optional, least

1178
01:00:54.639 --> 01:00:55.159
<v Speaker 1>in my eyes.

1179
01:00:55.360 --> 01:01:00.119
<v Speaker 2>Well, so this was the first cyber warfare attack that

1180
01:01:00.199 --> 01:01:03.360
<v Speaker 2>had ever been committed. Now, yeah, you had like viruses

1181
01:01:04.039 --> 01:01:08.360
<v Speaker 2>in like chain emails and things like the trojan horses,

1182
01:01:08.480 --> 01:01:11.719
<v Speaker 2>or somebody would download some music from Pirate Bay or

1183
01:01:11.800 --> 01:01:14.079
<v Speaker 2>lime Wire or frost Wire one of those where it

1184
01:01:14.159 --> 01:01:16.480
<v Speaker 2>was like, okay, this probably has a virus on it. Okay,

1185
01:01:16.559 --> 01:01:21.159
<v Speaker 2>that was a thing that happened this like specifically for

1186
01:01:21.199 --> 01:01:24.519
<v Speaker 2>the purpose of warfare, and to go from Oh, we're

1187
01:01:24.519 --> 01:01:26.360
<v Speaker 2>not just trying to shut down their computer system, We're

1188
01:01:26.360 --> 01:01:30.559
<v Speaker 2>trying to make their machines destroy themselves. Nothing like this

1189
01:01:30.639 --> 01:01:32.840
<v Speaker 2>had ever been attempted before. They didn't even know if

1190
01:01:32.840 --> 01:01:35.000
<v Speaker 2>it was possible. But then when they realized, like, oh,

1191
01:01:35.000 --> 01:01:37.920
<v Speaker 2>we could just call siemens see what the weak link is,

1192
01:01:38.679 --> 01:01:41.440
<v Speaker 2>and we could hire a couple of like teams of hackers,

1193
01:01:41.480 --> 01:01:44.679
<v Speaker 2>and we could get with Israel because America wanted Israel

1194
01:01:44.719 --> 01:01:47.079
<v Speaker 2>in on this to be the patsy, because if this

1195
01:01:47.320 --> 01:01:51.360
<v Speaker 2>was discovered, America could completely step back and be like,

1196
01:01:51.400 --> 01:01:52.559
<v Speaker 2>I kid, you.

1197
01:01:52.480 --> 01:01:55.000
<v Speaker 1>Hear what Israel just did that?

1198
01:01:55.880 --> 01:02:00.639
<v Speaker 2>Can you believe Mussad did cyber warfare in realcy like

1199
01:02:00.679 --> 01:02:03.360
<v Speaker 2>it was. I would actually argue that it was more

1200
01:02:03.360 --> 01:02:07.119
<v Speaker 2>of a US thing than an Israel thing. It was

1201
01:02:07.320 --> 01:02:09.400
<v Speaker 2>it's more of a threat to Israel if Iron has

1202
01:02:09.480 --> 01:02:12.760
<v Speaker 2>nuclear weapons. It was more of a US as far

1203
01:02:12.800 --> 01:02:14.719
<v Speaker 2>as who put the gas in the tank to make

1204
01:02:14.760 --> 01:02:15.920
<v Speaker 2>this car go?

1205
01:02:16.199 --> 01:02:18.079
<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying. We were we were footing

1206
01:02:18.079 --> 01:02:20.400
<v Speaker 1>that bill like an eighty twenty split. I would I

1207
01:02:20.400 --> 01:02:24.719
<v Speaker 1>would think, but cyber weapons are definitely a scary thing

1208
01:02:24.760 --> 01:02:27.679
<v Speaker 1>because we don't have a lot of people that can

1209
01:02:27.719 --> 01:02:29.960
<v Speaker 1>actually combat this. Like I feel, yeah, we have a

1210
01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:33.000
<v Speaker 1>team obviously, we have like groups that are dedicated with Hell,

1211
01:02:33.079 --> 01:02:35.199
<v Speaker 1>they made an entire new branch in the military that

1212
01:02:35.320 --> 01:02:38.599
<v Speaker 1>is just for this Space Force. No, they made the

1213
01:02:38.639 --> 01:02:42.119
<v Speaker 1>cyber Group. Remember they just signed it in Oh wait.

1214
01:02:42.000 --> 01:02:43.559
<v Speaker 2>They're trying to make a new branch of the military

1215
01:02:43.639 --> 01:02:43.840
<v Speaker 2>right now.

1216
01:02:43.880 --> 01:02:46.199
<v Speaker 1>I remember they signed it in Oh god, all about

1217
01:02:46.320 --> 01:02:49.000
<v Speaker 1>cyber weapons. Did they pass it? I know where they

1218
01:02:49.000 --> 01:02:51.239
<v Speaker 1>were talking about. You know, I actually don't know. I'd

1219
01:02:51.280 --> 01:02:52.559
<v Speaker 1>have to look it up, but I mean.

1220
01:02:53.000 --> 01:02:55.400
<v Speaker 2>Dude, what is that branch going to be called the nerds?

1221
01:02:57.079 --> 01:02:59.559
<v Speaker 1>I don't even know. But I'm not trying to be funny.

1222
01:02:59.559 --> 01:03:01.039
<v Speaker 1>But also, like, yo, what do you call that?

1223
01:03:01.079 --> 01:03:04.840
<v Speaker 2>Like we got Air Force, Army, Space Force, which is

1224
01:03:04.960 --> 01:03:06.840
<v Speaker 2>already weird and crazy enough.

1225
01:03:07.400 --> 01:03:10.599
<v Speaker 1>Space Force is kind of cyber Force. Like, I don't know,

1226
01:03:11.079 --> 01:03:14.599
<v Speaker 1>you know what I think it is? Cyber Force was no,

1227
01:03:14.679 --> 01:03:25.320
<v Speaker 1>we read it. Remember, dude, if hyber Force cyber Command, cyber.

1228
01:03:25.000 --> 01:03:28.400
<v Speaker 2>Command, cyber Command, which clearly needs to be under the

1229
01:03:28.440 --> 01:03:30.800
<v Speaker 2>auspices of the Space Force, that doesn't need its own

1230
01:03:30.840 --> 01:03:31.559
<v Speaker 2>independent branch.

1231
01:03:31.599 --> 01:03:34.400
<v Speaker 1>But like, all right, cool, I guess to be honest,

1232
01:03:34.440 --> 01:03:36.159
<v Speaker 1>I don't Cybermission Force.

1233
01:03:37.079 --> 01:03:39.239
<v Speaker 2>But who's that is that? It's not a branch, is it.

1234
01:03:39.599 --> 01:03:41.800
<v Speaker 1>Let me see what the fuck is Trump doing now?

1235
01:03:42.480 --> 01:03:46.960
<v Speaker 1>He signed one in. I'm I promise you're for I'm

1236
01:03:46.960 --> 01:03:48.920
<v Speaker 1>gonna have to look into it. Yeah, because it's the

1237
01:03:49.039 --> 01:03:52.920
<v Speaker 1>US Cyber Command Lunar Force. They even have like a

1238
01:03:52.960 --> 01:03:55.519
<v Speaker 1>whole thing, like they have a whole website and everything.

1239
01:03:56.360 --> 01:04:01.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure a branch is a wing, but anyway, anyway,

1240
01:04:01.599 --> 01:04:04.280
<v Speaker 2>So but to your point, yeah, we have teams that

1241
01:04:04.320 --> 01:04:08.159
<v Speaker 2>are working in that regard to stop these attacks, but

1242
01:04:08.239 --> 01:04:11.719
<v Speaker 2>your average citizen can't do anything about that. Most and

1243
01:04:11.920 --> 01:04:14.199
<v Speaker 2>if they could, they could learn how to like, you know,

1244
01:04:14.400 --> 01:04:16.840
<v Speaker 2>learn the programming code and try to find ways to

1245
01:04:16.880 --> 01:04:18.000
<v Speaker 2>make themselves more secure.

1246
01:04:18.039 --> 01:04:20.559
<v Speaker 1>But how many Americans are actually gonna like do that?

1247
01:04:21.159 --> 01:04:26.119
<v Speaker 1>Real shit? What you find is not officially a branch yet,

1248
01:04:26.559 --> 01:04:29.440
<v Speaker 1>but they have ongoing proposals and they've signed in all

1249
01:04:29.440 --> 01:04:31.840
<v Speaker 1>sorts of stuff as a new service branch under the

1250
01:04:31.960 --> 01:04:35.280
<v Speaker 1>Army to address the emerging cyber threats under the Army,

1251
01:04:35.639 --> 01:04:38.320
<v Speaker 1>And as of like a month ago, they released a

1252
01:04:38.360 --> 01:04:42.599
<v Speaker 1>whole thing saying that the US Cyber Force is inevitable.

1253
01:04:44.280 --> 01:04:46.440
<v Speaker 1>It's gonna happen. It's going to be a whole new branch.

1254
01:04:46.960 --> 01:04:50.159
<v Speaker 1>Because Space Forces was his first one. Now the Cyber

1255
01:04:50.199 --> 01:04:53.400
<v Speaker 1>Force is this one. Because remember he's still pushing Ai

1256
01:04:53.599 --> 01:04:56.519
<v Speaker 1>so hard in the race for Ai. So I wouldn't

1257
01:04:56.519 --> 01:04:58.800
<v Speaker 1>doubt that this was the thing because honestly, a lot

1258
01:04:58.800 --> 01:05:02.159
<v Speaker 1>of the tax feel like they're more cyber anyways. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean you could do so much from the web now

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<v Speaker 1>and access everything because everything is digital. Yeah, so instead

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<v Speaker 1>of like having somebody turning a valve somewhere doing something

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<v Speaker 1>by hand, now everything's ranmed by the computer.

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<v Speaker 3>Dude.

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<v Speaker 1>Plus you got the AIS that are integrated into everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, I gotta tell you, I'm happy the Marine Corps

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<v Speaker 2>is never gonna have like something under it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, like the Navy. Like the Marine Corps

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<v Speaker 1>is under the Navy.

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<v Speaker 2>The Air Force was under the Army and they got

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<v Speaker 2>their own thing going on now, and now they have

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<v Speaker 2>something under them with the Space Force. The Coast Guard's

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01:05:36.400 --> 01:05:39.719
<v Speaker 2>homeland security they don't count, and now the Army's about

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<v Speaker 2>to have the cyber Force.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so happy.

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<v Speaker 2>The Marine Corps is just the sledgehammer that we don't

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<v Speaker 2>need something under We don't need some sort of specialized

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<v Speaker 2>department underneath us. We can do a thing, you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean, what would our specialized group look like?

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<v Speaker 1>Genocide?

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<v Speaker 2>We're launching the eighth branch of the United States Military,

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<v Speaker 2>the genocide Branch under the United States Marine Corps.

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<v Speaker 1>And everybody's like, what, so what, It's just kill.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it, the kill Branch. I'm here for it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so upset if I couldn't join, I'd be like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>what's the age bracket? What if it was like the

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<v Speaker 1>Dirty Old Veterans branch? Just have like a dirty old

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<v Speaker 1>veterans like the Dirty Dozen, except for the dirty old veterans.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I've said this for years, if you were to

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<v Speaker 2>give every redneck, don't look at their criminal history.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not here to talk about that.

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<v Speaker 2>But like nine to eleven goes down al kind, all

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<v Speaker 2>things got to get to Afghanistan. Dude, find every old,

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<v Speaker 2>fucking crotchety redneck and make sure they are well plied

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<v Speaker 2>with dip Marlboro Reds and as much beer as they require.

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<v Speaker 2>Do not skimp on the beer, and tell them that

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<v Speaker 2>there's no hunting limit on this particular thing like this

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<v Speaker 2>whole situation will be done before hunting seasons out.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a whole thing going around right now about this

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<v Speaker 1>guy in the UK that challenged Americans and said, we

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<v Speaker 1>want you to send one hundred Americans a verse one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred of us no weapons and we'll see who wins. Brother,

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<v Speaker 1>the comments in the videos that have spun from this,

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01:07:22.440 --> 01:07:25.519
<v Speaker 1>and then I watch Old Boy today with one hand

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01:07:26.079 --> 01:07:31.280
<v Speaker 1>carrying a fucking badger, a honey badger carried a badger

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01:07:31.480 --> 01:07:34.400
<v Speaker 1>and she's like that ain't no puppy baby, and he's like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh I but still look at it. It's so cute.

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<v Speaker 1>This motherfucker is like ah, and he's like just one

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<v Speaker 1>hand in it.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like Redbeard Gingerous, fuck camouflage pants, no shirt man,

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<v Speaker 2>like the man knows the way around the trailer.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, so you want to put up him

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<v Speaker 1>and some Florida man's and some blackheads and some waffle

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01:07:55.280 --> 01:08:01.159
<v Speaker 1>house workers' sam and uh, you want to throw them

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01:08:01.760 --> 01:08:04.599
<v Speaker 1>in a fight over there? Like like no, I know

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<v Speaker 1>that Britain has. It's like rough areas. They're scrappy. I

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01:08:08.679 --> 01:08:10.800
<v Speaker 1>will say they are. They are scrappy and they can

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<v Speaker 1>fight real good in a lot of videos I've seen.

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<v Speaker 1>They're they're pretty good fighters.

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<v Speaker 2>I've met the British Royal Marines. There are some solo jets.

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<v Speaker 2>They're really bad gents. But we're talking just your average

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<v Speaker 2>run of the mill American, your average running the mill brit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're just talking about the average.

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<v Speaker 2>We're just do we really want that? Like, does does

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<v Speaker 2>Britain want that smoke?

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<v Speaker 1>Like? Actually, I feel like some of them do. Someone

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01:08:34.920 --> 01:08:37.359
<v Speaker 1>want to talk shit, but hey, we can all be

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<v Speaker 1>their helicleberryes.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's like Britain needs they can move here. We're

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<v Speaker 2>not a Muslim nation like the UK is right now,

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<v Speaker 2>like y'all could come here and just like try it,

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01:08:47.319 --> 01:08:49.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, try try being an American for a little bit,

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<v Speaker 2>then come with that same energy.

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<v Speaker 1>I love a lot of English people that I've met though.

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<v Speaker 1>They're just so fantastic.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know why they're fantastic because you met them

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<v Speaker 2>here and they are so fucking happy to be in America.

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<v Speaker 1>Now. I mean a lot of I'm like I was

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<v Speaker 1>friends with those some that are overseas, like I told

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01:09:06.560 --> 01:09:10.199
<v Speaker 1>you still yeah oh wow rip yeah, no, they like

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01:09:10.199 --> 01:09:12.760
<v Speaker 1>they're gone. We have quite a few listeners from over

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01:09:12.800 --> 01:09:16.079
<v Speaker 1>there too, and like they're I feel bad for everybody

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01:09:16.079 --> 01:09:17.760
<v Speaker 1>that's suffering through a lot of what they're going through.

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<v Speaker 1>But to the point though that they I.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't know, every British person ever talked to like wishes

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<v Speaker 2>they were in America.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I mean that's that's fair. But they have

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<v Speaker 1>great architecture at least.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it is pretty cool. I have a friend of

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01:09:32.800 --> 01:09:35.239
<v Speaker 2>mine who she lives in a house that's like four

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01:09:35.319 --> 01:09:39.760
<v Speaker 2>hundred years old. Yeah, and I'm like, what, like that's

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01:09:39.840 --> 01:09:41.880
<v Speaker 2>like a normal thing for her little area, And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just like.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so much cool shit over there when.

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01:09:43.800 --> 01:09:47.039
<v Speaker 2>Your house is older than my country. And she's like, yeah, yeah,

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01:09:47.079 --> 01:09:48.000
<v Speaker 2>it's just how it is.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just how it is.

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<v Speaker 2>And like the town's built so dense that like nobody's

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01:09:52.640 --> 01:09:55.119
<v Speaker 2>tearing it down to build something new, Like no one's

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01:09:55.319 --> 01:09:57.079
<v Speaker 2>got money like that. So she's just yeah, I would

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01:09:57.119 --> 01:09:59.520
<v Speaker 2>just keep updating it. But they still have this issue

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<v Speaker 2>against air conditioning, which is still do.

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<v Speaker 1>Not understand that. But that's a whole I told you.

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<v Speaker 2>About that chick. How about yogurt on the windows?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, dude, it's really it's but it's become a political thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm seeing articles like is air conditioning a conservative ploy?

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<v Speaker 2>They are politicizing air conditioning because apparently sweat is like

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<v Speaker 2>it's a Republican.

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<v Speaker 1>Democrat thing over there.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well whatever, Okay, the crunchies over there are like

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<v Speaker 2>ace is bad for the earth.

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<v Speaker 1>She's crying. Meanwhile, everybody's like, dude, fuck you, I love

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<v Speaker 1>my don't we don't have to sweat if we don't

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<v Speaker 1>need to, you know, like, okay, to the.

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<v Speaker 2>Back to the point here. Anyway, So the Obama administration

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<v Speaker 2>is publicly announced that shoring up infrastructure security is a

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<v Speaker 2>top priority. ZETR finds this ironic because unleashing stucksnet has

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<v Speaker 2>opened the US up two attacks using the same malware,

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<v Speaker 2>which we can talk about in a bit about the

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<v Speaker 2>argument of how stucks net got out into the mainframe

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<v Speaker 2>and absolutely did wreak a little bit of havoc on

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<v Speaker 2>the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>There's actually a list.

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<v Speaker 2>Of countries that it had a little bit of some playtime,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're on the list, among some other nations. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>talk about that a bit. Anyway, when you launch a

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01:11:17.479 --> 01:11:20.199
<v Speaker 2>cyber weapon, you don't just send the weapon to your enemies.

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<v Speaker 2>You send the intellectual property that created it and the

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<v Speaker 2>ability to launch the weapon back against you, which is understandable.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like reverse engineering. Once they figure it out, they

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<v Speaker 2>can just replicate it, add a little extra flare to it,

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01:11:33.359 --> 01:11:35.159
<v Speaker 2>add a couple more of these zero days to it,

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<v Speaker 2>and then tada, Now it's something that you can't see.

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<v Speaker 2>You no reverse So Marcus Rinnan, one of the early

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<v Speaker 2>innovators of the computer firewall, called Stuck's net a stone

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<v Speaker 2>throne by people who live in a glasshouse. One of

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<v Speaker 2>the dudes who created the firewall said that about this, wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>More broadly, stucks Net heralded an era of cyber warfare

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<v Speaker 2>that could prove to be more to instructive than the

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<v Speaker 2>nuclear era. For Zetter, there is also irony to the

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<v Speaker 2>use of cyber weapons to combat nuclear weapons. She quotesnet

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<v Speaker 2>Cannet Benedict, God, what a weird name. Cannet Benedict, the

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<v Speaker 2>executive director of the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, pointing

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<v Speaker 2>out quote that the first acknowledged military use of cyber

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<v Speaker 2>warfare is ostensibly to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons.

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<v Speaker 2>A new age of mass destruction will begin. In an

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<v Speaker 2>effort to close a chapter from the first age of

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01:12:33.600 --> 01:12:40.600
<v Speaker 2>mass destruction, that's actually pretty deep. That's absolutely wild, and

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people have the same fears. The US

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<v Speaker 2>lost the moral high ground from where it could tell

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<v Speaker 2>other countries to not use digital weapons to resolve disputes.

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<v Speaker 2>No one has been killed by a cyber attack, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's only a matter of time. For the record,

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<v Speaker 2>we lost the moral high ground, arguably in the sixties.

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<v Speaker 2>Just throwing it out so like it's cool. There's nothing

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<v Speaker 2>new here. We're doing some foul ass shit. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, a little bit of the background into this

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<v Speaker 2>book that talks about it. Here countdown to zero day,

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<v Speaker 2>Kim Zetter, I highly recommend people go read the book.

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<v Speaker 2>Shout out to Kim's Edter, friend of the show. And

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<v Speaker 2>now let's talk a little bit more about Operation Olympic Games,

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01:13:21.439 --> 01:13:23.319
<v Speaker 2>which is what the code name for this was. So

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<v Speaker 2>it was an unacknowledged campaign of sabotage by means of

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<v Speaker 2>cyber disruption directed at Iranian nuclear facilities by the United

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<v Speaker 2>States and Israel. Allegedly as reported, it is one of

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<v Speaker 2>the first known uses of offensive cyber weapons. Started under

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<v Speaker 2>the administration of George Bush in two thousand and six,

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<v Speaker 2>The Olympic Games was accelerated under Obama, who heated Bush's

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<v Speaker 2>advice to continue cyber attacks on the Iranian nuclear facility

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<v Speaker 2>at Natan's. That same spot is also one of the

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<v Speaker 2>spots that Trump Trump Trump dropped the crazy deep bunker buster.

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<v Speaker 2>It was at this facility, this same one that we

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<v Speaker 2>had been fucking with for the past like fifteen years

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, Bush believed that the strategy was the only way

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<v Speaker 2>to prevent in its really conventional strike on Irani and

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<v Speaker 2>nuclear facilities. So we were trying to keep it out

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<v Speaker 2>of going kinetic by trying to go sneaky, sneaky, you know,

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01:14:19.079 --> 01:14:22.680
<v Speaker 2>do a little secret squirrel shit. And now look, Iran

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01:14:22.760 --> 01:14:24.840
<v Speaker 2>doesn't have nukes, So it seems like the weapon or

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01:14:24.880 --> 01:14:28.359
<v Speaker 2>the mission was a success. In reality, y'all I did

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01:14:28.399 --> 01:14:32.760
<v Speaker 2>was kick the can down the road two administrations. We

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<v Speaker 2>could argue four administrations, and now we're having the same problem,

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<v Speaker 2>except now we are absolutely making it kinetic. The straight

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<v Speaker 2>of horn Moves is closed every other day, and dude,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so fucking tired of hearing Trump do this shit where.

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<v Speaker 1>We're about to unleash absolute havoc.

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<v Speaker 2>The likes of which the world has never seen. Since

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01:14:51.079 --> 01:14:53.840
<v Speaker 2>World War Two, and then Iran's like, okay, listen, we're

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<v Speaker 2>willing to come to the negotiation table. All right, we're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna put the bombs down. We're gonna talk. Give it

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01:14:59.159 --> 01:15:02.319
<v Speaker 2>three days. The talks are not happening. We're gonna bomb

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<v Speaker 2>the shit out of them. Okay, now we're ready to

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<v Speaker 2>go to the talks. Okay, we're gonna put the bombs down.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna talk. It's been this on repeat four months

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm over it. Just drop the fucking bombs and

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<v Speaker 2>let's move on with their lives. Not nukes, obviously, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we could send them back to the Stone Age.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean. But that's the thing, though, is they're only

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<v Speaker 1>going to put the citizens that don't want anything to

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<v Speaker 1>do with this in harm's way. They're gonna take all

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<v Speaker 1>the other dipshit citizens and all the people that are

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<v Speaker 1>loyaled to them, and then they're gonna move those out

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01:15:31.439 --> 01:15:33.159
<v Speaker 1>of the places that they're gonna get dropped on.

1466
01:15:33.520 --> 01:15:35.359
<v Speaker 2>So they don't give a fuck about their own citizens.

1467
01:15:35.359 --> 01:15:37.199
<v Speaker 2>They just murdered thirty thousand of them in a week.

1468
01:15:37.199 --> 01:15:39.720
<v Speaker 1>And remember I'm talking about those that are loyal. I'm

1469
01:15:39.720 --> 01:15:42.039
<v Speaker 1>talking about the ones that were riding through the streets.

1470
01:15:42.119 --> 01:15:45.119
<v Speaker 1>The women that they had parading around. I don't know

1471
01:15:45.159 --> 01:15:47.079
<v Speaker 1>if you ever saw those videos, oh with the hood jobs.

1472
01:15:47.479 --> 01:15:50.119
<v Speaker 1>They were like parading for the Ayatola. Yes, and they

1473
01:15:50.159 --> 01:15:52.439
<v Speaker 1>were like in the back of the cars and they

1474
01:15:52.439 --> 01:15:54.680
<v Speaker 1>were all doing all this stuff because that'd be there

1475
01:15:54.680 --> 01:15:56.159
<v Speaker 1>they get the shit be down when they get home.

1476
01:15:56.279 --> 01:15:58.640
<v Speaker 1>They were driving too, they were trying to show they

1477
01:15:58.640 --> 01:16:01.920
<v Speaker 1>were trying to show that they were aggressive. Wow, And

1478
01:16:02.000 --> 01:16:04.319
<v Speaker 1>they had how many wrecks were there that day because

1479
01:16:04.319 --> 01:16:07.000
<v Speaker 1>they put all the women at the at that one

1480
01:16:07.000 --> 01:16:09.399
<v Speaker 1>facility place too that they were trying to like they

1481
01:16:09.439 --> 01:16:12.199
<v Speaker 1>had it surround them. You know, they've surrounded those places

1482
01:16:12.199 --> 01:16:14.319
<v Speaker 1>that they were supposedly supposed to bomb. I know you're

1483
01:16:14.359 --> 01:16:15.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm existing. I'm not. I'm not.

1484
01:16:16.520 --> 01:16:19.800
<v Speaker 2>Every Every fucking curve in Tehran has black marks on it.

1485
01:16:19.760 --> 01:16:26.039
<v Speaker 1>Now, I swear it got Mmm who's hit more curves? Women?

1486
01:16:27.319 --> 01:16:29.800
<v Speaker 1>Women more than men. I think that's a mathematical certainty.

1487
01:16:29.840 --> 01:16:34.199
<v Speaker 2>But especially because these women haven't driven in years and

1488
01:16:34.239 --> 01:16:35.199
<v Speaker 2>now they're just on the.

1489
01:16:35.239 --> 01:16:39.159
<v Speaker 1>Road you've ever seen You've never seen the Middle Eastern

1490
01:16:39.159 --> 01:16:41.359
<v Speaker 1>people would drive. And it is it is the thing.

1491
01:16:41.600 --> 01:16:45.680
<v Speaker 2>It is the part that it was the rear view mirrors, like.

1492
01:16:45.640 --> 01:16:48.560
<v Speaker 1>On the hood. Yeah, they'd be rallying. Man, they the

1493
01:16:51.560 --> 01:16:54.439
<v Speaker 1>crazy stuff, and I'm like, I'm here for it. Let's go.

1494
01:16:54.600 --> 01:16:56.279
<v Speaker 1>But like, uh yeah, no.

1495
01:16:56.520 --> 01:16:59.199
<v Speaker 2>Y shouts out to the Middle Eastern truck drivers who

1496
01:16:59.399 --> 01:17:02.760
<v Speaker 2>have turned the cab of their ride into a Turkish bazaar.

1497
01:17:03.279 --> 01:17:05.199
<v Speaker 1>You're doing the most this, and you know what, I

1498
01:17:05.279 --> 01:17:08.800
<v Speaker 1>respect the hustle. I will say, I miss bazars. Oh man,

1499
01:17:08.840 --> 01:17:10.239
<v Speaker 1>they're fucking They're awesome.

1500
01:17:10.279 --> 01:17:11.920
<v Speaker 2>You've seen the trucks I'm talking about, right, Yeah, No,

1501
01:17:12.000 --> 01:17:13.960
<v Speaker 2>I have all the dangling shit. They got a whole

1502
01:17:14.000 --> 01:17:17.239
<v Speaker 2>chandelier in their shit for no reason other than because

1503
01:17:17.239 --> 01:17:20.560
<v Speaker 2>it's pimping. And it's like, you know what, Basher, you

1504
01:17:20.680 --> 01:17:23.079
<v Speaker 2>get it. You get the gaudiness. I like, you would

1505
01:17:23.119 --> 01:17:26.720
<v Speaker 2>fit in any trailer park in the South. Fuck yah anyway,

1506
01:17:27.199 --> 01:17:29.960
<v Speaker 2>well maybe not, maybe not, I don't know anyway, So

1507
01:17:30.119 --> 01:17:34.119
<v Speaker 2>moving forward here, the operation produced a sophisticated computer virus

1508
01:17:34.159 --> 01:17:38.319
<v Speaker 2>known as stucksnet, which was designed to disrupt Iran's uranium

1509
01:17:38.399 --> 01:17:40.600
<v Speaker 2>enrichment efforts. So we're not going to get into the

1510
01:17:40.600 --> 01:17:42.960
<v Speaker 2>two deep into the history here. We talked about during

1511
01:17:42.960 --> 01:17:46.079
<v Speaker 2>Bush's term, General Cartwright, who at the time was the

1512
01:17:46.279 --> 01:17:49.520
<v Speaker 2>UH the head of the United States Strategic Command, later

1513
01:17:49.600 --> 01:17:53.279
<v Speaker 2>on to become the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs. Basically,

1514
01:17:53.319 --> 01:17:57.119
<v Speaker 2>he was the the key component of this operation. He

1515
01:17:57.239 --> 01:17:59.239
<v Speaker 2>was like the one pushing it at that level and

1516
01:17:59.319 --> 01:18:01.680
<v Speaker 2>assigning the money to where it was supposed to go.

1517
01:18:02.880 --> 01:18:07.640
<v Speaker 2>Collaboration happened with Israel's sigant or sigent excuse me, Intelligence

1518
01:18:07.680 --> 01:18:11.279
<v Speaker 2>Service Unit eighty two hundred, and if you haven't seen,

1519
01:18:11.520 --> 01:18:13.600
<v Speaker 2>their logo looks like a green floor to leave with

1520
01:18:13.640 --> 01:18:18.079
<v Speaker 2>some wild shit coming off the sides. It's essentially Israeli NSA,

1521
01:18:19.000 --> 01:18:22.520
<v Speaker 2>but not locally like the NSA in America is trying

1522
01:18:22.520 --> 01:18:27.479
<v Speaker 2>to spy on the American population. The Iranian Iran excuse me,

1523
01:18:27.520 --> 01:18:31.800
<v Speaker 2>the Israeli unit eighty two hundred is surveilling the Israeli

1524
01:18:31.840 --> 01:18:36.640
<v Speaker 2>people and the Gozens and the Palestinians all that, but they're.

1525
01:18:36.479 --> 01:18:38.600
<v Speaker 1>Surveilling all kinds of shit around them, you know what

1526
01:18:38.600 --> 01:18:40.399
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, like their nosy shits.

1527
01:18:40.680 --> 01:18:44.319
<v Speaker 2>Israel is the size of New Jersey. So just to

1528
01:18:44.359 --> 01:18:48.159
<v Speaker 2>be clear here, their reach is a little further than.

1529
01:18:48.000 --> 01:18:49.720
<v Speaker 1>The Jersey shore, you know what I'm saying.

1530
01:18:49.960 --> 01:18:51.600
<v Speaker 2>They got a little more sick.

1531
01:18:51.439 --> 01:18:55.199
<v Speaker 1>Shunk they actually you know what, Oh boy.

1532
01:18:55.199 --> 01:18:57.239
<v Speaker 2>That was an excellent way to plug in the snookschnuck

1533
01:18:57.279 --> 01:18:59.439
<v Speaker 2>on that one schnukchok, Like.

1534
01:18:59.560 --> 01:19:02.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeh one, what fucking the leader of issuel right now?

1535
01:19:02.920 --> 01:19:06.159
<v Speaker 1>Net and Yaho is schnook schnock. Think about it, Think

1536
01:19:06.199 --> 01:19:09.520
<v Speaker 1>about him acting the way he acting the way she

1537
01:19:09.600 --> 01:19:11.079
<v Speaker 1>did during that episode.

1538
01:19:11.279 --> 01:19:13.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I don't know, I've never seen an episode.

1539
01:19:13.680 --> 01:19:15.800
<v Speaker 1>No, no, I'm talking about the episode of South Park.

1540
01:19:16.039 --> 01:19:19.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh if you actually think about it, and yeah, who

1541
01:19:20.039 --> 01:19:21.520
<v Speaker 1>is jumping on people? Humping them?

1542
01:19:21.960 --> 01:19:22.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

1543
01:19:22.239 --> 01:19:25.119
<v Speaker 1>Well he's one in his way or that's his only

1544
01:19:25.199 --> 01:19:27.399
<v Speaker 1>like he is like it is my way or the highway.

1545
01:19:27.479 --> 01:19:29.800
<v Speaker 2>Bro, that's that's a wild image. I don't thing I'm

1546
01:19:29.800 --> 01:19:30.439
<v Speaker 2>gonna be able.

1547
01:19:30.319 --> 01:19:34.159
<v Speaker 1>To get him. You're welcome, every one of you.

1548
01:19:34.399 --> 01:19:37.039
<v Speaker 2>A short fat Net and Yahoo with a giant nose

1549
01:19:37.119 --> 01:19:39.600
<v Speaker 2>with the fucking the bump on his head.

1550
01:19:39.600 --> 01:19:41.239
<v Speaker 1>But it's not a bump. It's not the snookie bump.

1551
01:19:41.239 --> 01:19:46.359
<v Speaker 2>It's the yamaka. Yeah's snow and just like humping random

1552
01:19:46.359 --> 01:19:47.000
<v Speaker 2>people and it's like.

1553
01:19:47.159 --> 01:19:48.800
<v Speaker 1>H stop it, ben. Yeah.

1554
01:19:48.840 --> 01:19:53.640
<v Speaker 2>Basically, oh my god, he's easy, like, oh man, and

1555
01:19:53.720 --> 01:19:55.279
<v Speaker 2>how many You're welcome?

1556
01:19:55.399 --> 01:19:57.640
<v Speaker 1>Now? Every one of you is going to think about this.

1557
01:19:57.800 --> 01:20:01.239
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's it's probably accurate because how many of the

1558
01:20:01.319 --> 01:20:04.520
<v Speaker 2>Israeli prime ministers were on the Epstein files, so like

1559
01:20:04.560 --> 01:20:07.680
<v Speaker 2>on some very real levels, or at Robert Maxwell's funeral,

1560
01:20:07.880 --> 01:20:11.840
<v Speaker 2>so like, there is way more than a like, it's

1561
01:20:11.840 --> 01:20:13.800
<v Speaker 2>not even a gred than zero percent chance, there's probably

1562
01:20:13.800 --> 01:20:16.680
<v Speaker 2>like a fifty to fifty shot that you're actually on

1563
01:20:16.760 --> 01:20:17.239
<v Speaker 2>the money here.

1564
01:20:17.840 --> 01:20:20.800
<v Speaker 1>You're welcome. Everyone that hasn't seen that episode, please go

1565
01:20:20.880 --> 01:20:23.239
<v Speaker 1>watch South Park. Also shout out to South Park. If

1566
01:20:23.239 --> 01:20:24.720
<v Speaker 1>they could sponsor us, that'd be great.

1567
01:20:26.199 --> 01:20:28.640
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, Trey Parker and Matt Stone really do be

1568
01:20:28.680 --> 01:20:29.119
<v Speaker 2>doing the most.

1569
01:20:29.319 --> 01:20:32.039
<v Speaker 1>You cannot you can't unsee it now and you can't.

1570
01:20:32.520 --> 01:20:34.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm stuck here now forever, all of us together are

1571
01:20:35.000 --> 01:20:37.920
<v Speaker 1>going to think of Israel es schnookchunk just in Yahoo.

1572
01:20:37.960 --> 01:20:40.520
<v Speaker 1>But I mean, why not? Why not all? Why not

1573
01:20:40.800 --> 01:20:49.560
<v Speaker 1>Jersey this sorry blumpkin, sorry fucking oh my god. And now,

1574
01:20:50.000 --> 01:20:52.399
<v Speaker 1>oh you're talking about the Israeli coast, you mean the

1575
01:20:52.600 --> 01:20:55.560
<v Speaker 1>Jersey shore. See, oh my god.

1576
01:20:55.680 --> 01:20:57.920
<v Speaker 2>If there is some sort of a guido culture in

1577
01:20:58.000 --> 01:21:02.039
<v Speaker 2>Tel Aviv, which it might be, that's that's arguably the

1578
01:21:02.079 --> 01:21:04.760
<v Speaker 2>gayest city in the world, is Tel Aviv. So there's

1579
01:21:04.800 --> 01:21:07.439
<v Speaker 2>got to be some sort of a Jersey Shore like

1580
01:21:07.560 --> 01:21:10.479
<v Speaker 2>remnant there that's like doing the fists bumping and all

1581
01:21:10.479 --> 01:21:12.600
<v Speaker 2>about the fucking gim tann laundry and shit.

1582
01:21:12.880 --> 01:21:14.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm so happy that I made this comparison.

1583
01:21:14.880 --> 01:21:17.319
<v Speaker 2>I'm very Upselty. You've made this comparison that I can't

1584
01:21:17.399 --> 01:21:19.439
<v Speaker 2>unmake there now it's out there.

1585
01:21:19.680 --> 01:21:22.319
<v Speaker 1>Sorry, Dougie the Bumpkin. I mean, I.

1586
01:21:22.880 --> 01:21:25.680
<v Speaker 2>Don't think I've ever met somebody from Jersey that, aside

1587
01:21:25.680 --> 01:21:27.840
<v Speaker 2>from the people around the Jersey Shore area or like

1588
01:21:28.239 --> 01:21:30.680
<v Speaker 2>Hoboken or right outside of New York City though, just

1589
01:21:31.000 --> 01:21:33.840
<v Speaker 2>think that they're New Yorkers, which is an insultable whatever

1590
01:21:34.399 --> 01:21:37.560
<v Speaker 2>the rest of the state, most of them hate it.

1591
01:21:37.840 --> 01:21:39.560
<v Speaker 1>We have a lot of we have actually quite a

1592
01:21:39.560 --> 01:21:42.279
<v Speaker 1>few Jersey people. Yo. Hit us in the comments.

1593
01:21:42.279 --> 01:21:44.520
<v Speaker 2>If you're from Jersey and actually love your state.

1594
01:21:44.319 --> 01:21:47.039
<v Speaker 1>Tell us all about the Jersey genuine.

1595
01:21:48.239 --> 01:21:51.720
<v Speaker 2>All I have ever heard is aside from Jersey Shore people,

1596
01:21:52.079 --> 01:21:54.239
<v Speaker 2>because it's like New Orleans people. That's not the entire

1597
01:21:54.279 --> 01:21:56.760
<v Speaker 2>state of Louisiana, but New Orleans people think that it is.

1598
01:21:56.840 --> 01:21:58.359
<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean, Jersey Shore people think that

1599
01:21:58.399 --> 01:22:01.159
<v Speaker 2>they're speaking on behalf of to be yes. It's like

1600
01:22:01.239 --> 01:22:03.520
<v Speaker 2>Portland people, they think they're speaking on behalf of the

1601
01:22:03.680 --> 01:22:06.920
<v Speaker 2>entire beaver state, and it's like, no, no, we're.

1602
01:22:07.159 --> 01:22:07.880
<v Speaker 1>The duck state.

1603
01:22:08.159 --> 01:22:10.560
<v Speaker 2>You mean, isn't your state animal A beaver?

1604
01:22:11.159 --> 01:22:13.279
<v Speaker 1>Doesn't matter, but we are. I'm not talking about the

1605
01:22:13.279 --> 01:22:15.279
<v Speaker 1>college I am. Okay.

1606
01:22:16.640 --> 01:22:19.159
<v Speaker 2>I was about to say, because Jersey is the garden state,

1607
01:22:19.479 --> 01:22:21.199
<v Speaker 2>whether you knew that or not. And I was going

1608
01:22:21.239 --> 01:22:23.560
<v Speaker 2>to say that, like they think we're.

1609
01:22:23.399 --> 01:22:27.359
<v Speaker 1>The nursery capital of the entire garden and the nursery

1610
01:22:27.399 --> 01:22:30.359
<v Speaker 1>are a little different, right, matter, It doesn't matter.

1611
01:22:31.079 --> 01:22:33.399
<v Speaker 2>Are you trying to flex on Jersey?

1612
01:22:33.920 --> 01:22:34.760
<v Speaker 1>You're Oregon.

1613
01:22:35.439 --> 01:22:37.560
<v Speaker 2>Ya could accidentally flex.

1614
01:22:37.239 --> 01:22:39.560
<v Speaker 1>On I'm just kidding. I'm not having beef with the

1615
01:22:39.680 --> 01:22:40.279
<v Speaker 1>Jersey people.

1616
01:22:40.399 --> 01:22:42.159
<v Speaker 2>At least they can slaughter their own cattle.

1617
01:22:43.760 --> 01:22:46.560
<v Speaker 1>Look, it hasn't passed yet, Okay, I'm very upset that

1618
01:22:46.640 --> 01:22:46.960
<v Speaker 1>it might.

1619
01:22:47.680 --> 01:22:48.199
<v Speaker 3>Very not.

1620
01:22:48.319 --> 01:22:50.199
<v Speaker 1>It is not going to pass as of right now.

1621
01:22:50.239 --> 01:22:53.000
<v Speaker 1>It stands that there's one hundred and seventeen thousand votes.

1622
01:22:53.279 --> 01:22:54.840
<v Speaker 1>For those of you wondering what we're talking about, it's

1623
01:22:54.880 --> 01:22:56.880
<v Speaker 1>peace ACKed that I bitch about a lot. If you're

1624
01:22:56.880 --> 01:23:00.680
<v Speaker 1>an Oregon, vote no the peace ack. Yeah, tell everyone

1625
01:23:00.960 --> 01:23:03.560
<v Speaker 1>everyone that is listening to on the West coast, please share.

1626
01:23:03.760 --> 01:23:06.880
<v Speaker 2>If you like dairy products from your area. If you

1627
01:23:07.039 --> 01:23:13.720
<v Speaker 2>like locally raised and you know, ethically produced beef, pork, chickens.

1628
01:23:13.399 --> 01:23:16.520
<v Speaker 1>And local science, se is from anything.

1629
01:23:16.640 --> 01:23:19.159
<v Speaker 2>If you like salmon, if you like that thing that

1630
01:23:19.199 --> 01:23:21.000
<v Speaker 2>your state is so well known for.

1631
01:23:21.479 --> 01:23:22.840
<v Speaker 1>If you like your dog.

1632
01:23:22.600 --> 01:23:25.680
<v Speaker 2>And would like to possibly breed or buy a puppy

1633
01:23:25.720 --> 01:23:29.760
<v Speaker 2>from a breeder, or whatever basic things. Vote no to

1634
01:23:29.800 --> 01:23:32.600
<v Speaker 2>the Peace Act. Yeah, it's all we're saying. But anyway,

1635
01:23:33.000 --> 01:23:35.760
<v Speaker 2>Jersey Shore does not speak the on behalf of the

1636
01:23:35.880 --> 01:23:38.680
<v Speaker 2>entire garden state. But everybody from Jersey I've ever met,

1637
01:23:39.359 --> 01:23:42.119
<v Speaker 2>like they acknowledge how much it sucks, but they have

1638
01:23:42.199 --> 01:23:44.760
<v Speaker 2>like developed a taste for it, and they like they

1639
01:23:44.880 --> 01:23:47.319
<v Speaker 2>enjoy that it's shit. I don't, and I'm not saying

1640
01:23:47.319 --> 01:23:49.840
<v Speaker 2>that Jersey shit for my own self. I've passed through it.

1641
01:23:49.880 --> 01:23:51.600
<v Speaker 2>I've never spent a lot of time there. From what

1642
01:23:51.640 --> 01:23:54.680
<v Speaker 2>I've seen, it's not horrible. The people that live there, though,

1643
01:23:54.880 --> 01:23:58.239
<v Speaker 2>hate it, but like refuse to move because it's a

1644
01:23:58.319 --> 01:24:01.319
<v Speaker 2>Jersey thing. It's like a It's like okay, fine whatever,

1645
01:24:01.760 --> 01:24:04.720
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, moving forward, how he got on the fucking

1646
01:24:04.760 --> 01:24:07.239
<v Speaker 2>schnook and on net and Yahoo AGA because he is

1647
01:24:07.720 --> 01:24:10.600
<v Speaker 2>because of Unit eighty two hundred, that's where we were, Okay,

1648
01:24:10.600 --> 01:24:13.960
<v Speaker 2>I had to backtrack my own self here. Israel's involvement

1649
01:24:14.079 --> 01:24:16.920
<v Speaker 2>was important to the United States because the former had

1650
01:24:17.039 --> 01:24:21.039
<v Speaker 2>quote deep intelligence about operations at Natans that would be

1651
01:24:21.279 --> 01:24:25.439
<v Speaker 2>vital to the preemptive strike against Iranian nuclear facilities. To

1652
01:24:25.479 --> 01:24:29.880
<v Speaker 2>prevent a conventional strike, Israel had to be deeply.

1653
01:24:29.520 --> 01:24:31.880
<v Speaker 1>Involved in Operation Olympic Games.

1654
01:24:32.319 --> 01:24:35.399
<v Speaker 2>The resulting program, code named Olympic Games, produced a computer

1655
01:24:35.479 --> 01:24:38.560
<v Speaker 2>virus developed by the two countries, referred to as the

1656
01:24:38.640 --> 01:24:44.000
<v Speaker 2>Bug quote unquote internally and later identified publicly as stucksnet,

1657
01:24:44.159 --> 01:24:46.000
<v Speaker 2>and it was called that by the IT community.

1658
01:24:46.600 --> 01:24:48.319
<v Speaker 1>The malicious software.

1659
01:24:47.880 --> 01:24:52.239
<v Speaker 2>Temporarily halted approximately one thousand of the five thousand centrifugions

1660
01:24:52.279 --> 01:24:55.960
<v Speaker 2>from spinning at NATANS. A programming error later caused the

1661
01:24:56.000 --> 01:24:59.359
<v Speaker 2>worm just spread to computers outside of Natans When an

1662
01:24:59.439 --> 01:25:03.159
<v Speaker 2>engineer left Naton's and connected his computer to the Internet.

1663
01:25:03.560 --> 01:25:06.960
<v Speaker 2>The American and Israeli made bug failed to recognize that

1664
01:25:07.039 --> 01:25:10.600
<v Speaker 2>its environment had changed. The code replicated on the Internet

1665
01:25:10.640 --> 01:25:16.560
<v Speaker 2>and was subsequently exposed for public dissemination. IT security excuse me.

1666
01:25:16.600 --> 01:25:21.960
<v Speaker 2>Security firms Samantec and Casper Sky Lab have since examined

1667
01:25:21.960 --> 01:25:24.800
<v Speaker 2>stucks net. It is unclear whether the United States or

1668
01:25:24.920 --> 01:25:32.279
<v Speaker 2>Israel introduced the programming error. So essentially, Homeboy left Iron

1669
01:25:33.000 --> 01:25:36.039
<v Speaker 2>went to Europe, plugged up as you normally would do,

1670
01:25:36.880 --> 01:25:40.399
<v Speaker 2>and the virus decided to just jump onto the.

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01:25:40.399 --> 01:25:42.600
<v Speaker 1>World Wide Web. I feel like it was just like

1672
01:25:42.720 --> 01:25:46.960
<v Speaker 1>continued if he Some said it still has I wouldnt

1673
01:25:47.000 --> 01:25:47.359
<v Speaker 1>doubt it.

1674
01:25:47.439 --> 01:25:49.800
<v Speaker 2>Some say that they haven't actually gotten a handle on it.

1675
01:25:49.880 --> 01:25:54.159
<v Speaker 2>But there's also a couple of the earlier what you

1676
01:25:54.239 --> 01:25:56.800
<v Speaker 2>might call the younger brother of stucks net that never

1677
01:25:56.960 --> 01:25:59.800
<v Speaker 2>actually got popular but still very much exists. And then

1678
01:25:59.800 --> 01:26:02.359
<v Speaker 2>there's there has been those that have come after it

1679
01:26:02.439 --> 01:26:05.960
<v Speaker 2>and used it as inspiration. So yes to all of

1680
01:26:05.960 --> 01:26:09.880
<v Speaker 2>the above. Kind of sort of early in his presidency,

1681
01:26:10.039 --> 01:26:15.600
<v Speaker 2>Obama expanded the cyber operation, authorizing its continuation even after

1682
01:26:15.640 --> 01:26:19.039
<v Speaker 2>the accidental spread beyond Iran in twenty ten. So even

1683
01:26:19.079 --> 01:26:21.920
<v Speaker 2>after this was open to the public like that, he

1684
01:26:21.960 --> 01:26:23.960
<v Speaker 2>basically was like, yeah, well I didn't hear no bell

1685
01:26:24.560 --> 01:26:25.079
<v Speaker 2>he died.

1686
01:26:25.399 --> 01:26:25.680
<v Speaker 1>Sorry.

1687
01:26:27.000 --> 01:26:30.039
<v Speaker 2>He judged the program still effective and allowed the attack

1688
01:26:30.079 --> 01:26:32.840
<v Speaker 2>to proceed. We already talked about Eric von Saban, who

1689
01:26:32.880 --> 01:26:38.159
<v Speaker 2>allegedly allegedly infiltrated in the town's nuclear facility. He died

1690
01:26:38.199 --> 01:26:42.279
<v Speaker 2>in a motorcycle wreck in Dubai. So, anyway, the investigation.

1691
01:26:43.000 --> 01:26:45.920
<v Speaker 2>In June of twenty thirteen, it was reported that Cartwright

1692
01:26:46.479 --> 01:26:48.920
<v Speaker 2>was the target of a year long investigation by the

1693
01:26:48.960 --> 01:26:52.840
<v Speaker 2>Department of Justice into the leak of classified information about

1694
01:26:52.880 --> 01:26:56.119
<v Speaker 2>the operation to the US media. In March twenty fifteen,

1695
01:26:56.239 --> 01:26:59.560
<v Speaker 2>it was reported that the investigation had stalled amid concerns

1696
01:26:59.600 --> 01:27:04.680
<v Speaker 2>that necessary evidence for prosecution was too sensitive to reveal

1697
01:27:04.800 --> 01:27:09.960
<v Speaker 2>in court. So they knew that he was guilty, but

1698
01:27:10.000 --> 01:27:13.439
<v Speaker 2>they also knew that arraigning him and just going through

1699
01:27:13.439 --> 01:27:18.079
<v Speaker 2>discovery would also reveal things that are still in play currently. Okay,

1700
01:27:18.319 --> 01:27:23.359
<v Speaker 2>so nobody ever saw Justice quote unquote for this whatsoever. Actually,

1701
01:27:23.920 --> 01:27:27.640
<v Speaker 2>so now stucks net itself. Okay, this is from Wikipedia.

1702
01:27:28.039 --> 01:27:29.960
<v Speaker 2>We're not going to read the entire thing. It's a very,

1703
01:27:30.560 --> 01:27:33.960
<v Speaker 2>very long article, but we are basically gonna get to

1704
01:27:34.399 --> 01:27:37.000
<v Speaker 2>a couple of the points here. So stucks net specifically

1705
01:27:37.119 --> 01:27:41.520
<v Speaker 2>targets programmable logic controllers or PLCs right, which allowed the

1706
01:27:41.560 --> 01:27:45.239
<v Speaker 2>automation of electro mechanical processes such as those used to

1707
01:27:45.239 --> 01:27:50.479
<v Speaker 2>control machinery and industrial processes, including gas interfuges for separating

1708
01:27:50.520 --> 01:27:54.640
<v Speaker 2>nuclear material, exploiting four zero day flaws in the system.

1709
01:27:54.760 --> 01:27:56.479
<v Speaker 2>You see what I'm saying. Summer saying five. Some are

1710
01:27:56.520 --> 01:27:59.640
<v Speaker 2>saying four either way too much, one is crazy? Two

1711
01:28:00.159 --> 01:28:03.119
<v Speaker 2>heard of four or five? Like we're talking like this

1712
01:28:03.279 --> 01:28:04.520
<v Speaker 2>is like sixty chess.

1713
01:28:04.880 --> 01:28:06.279
<v Speaker 1>Honestly, like the overkill.

1714
01:28:06.960 --> 01:28:08.479
<v Speaker 2>If it's worth doing, it's worth overdoing.

1715
01:28:08.800 --> 01:28:11.159
<v Speaker 1>I mean, why not? You only might get one shot?

1716
01:28:11.279 --> 01:28:14.479
<v Speaker 1>So why not? Noise? That was my foot hidden?

1717
01:28:14.720 --> 01:28:18.359
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, yeah, you might only get one shot maybe,

1718
01:28:18.479 --> 01:28:20.159
<v Speaker 2>And so you just want to make sure that there's

1719
01:28:20.199 --> 01:28:21.920
<v Speaker 2>a couple of fail safes.

1720
01:28:21.800 --> 01:28:24.319
<v Speaker 1>Because like, well, I mean you spend all that time,

1721
01:28:24.479 --> 01:28:27.359
<v Speaker 1>energy and money. Yeah, Like so if you get caught,

1722
01:28:27.439 --> 01:28:30.640
<v Speaker 1>one gets caught, it's gonna still keep going and they're

1723
01:28:30.640 --> 01:28:33.680
<v Speaker 1>gonna have to find the other three to four left.

1724
01:28:33.720 --> 01:28:36.279
<v Speaker 1>I mean, why not? Absolutely makes sense me.

1725
01:28:36.800 --> 01:28:40.479
<v Speaker 2>So stucks Net functions by targeting machines using the Microsoft

1726
01:28:40.520 --> 01:28:45.079
<v Speaker 2>Windows operating system and networks, then seeking out Siemens Step

1727
01:28:45.159 --> 01:28:47.520
<v Speaker 2>seven software. I got a little bit of training in

1728
01:28:47.520 --> 01:28:50.039
<v Speaker 2>step seven while I was working in the field. Stuck's

1729
01:28:50.039 --> 01:28:54.319
<v Speaker 2>net reportedly compromised. Iranian PLC is collecting information on industrial

1730
01:28:54.359 --> 01:28:59.199
<v Speaker 2>systems and causing the fast spinning centrifugions to tear themselves apart.

1731
01:28:59.640 --> 01:29:03.560
<v Speaker 2>Stuck That's design and architecture are not domain specific and

1732
01:29:03.640 --> 01:29:08.600
<v Speaker 2>could be tailored as a platform for attacking modern SCADA

1733
01:29:08.680 --> 01:29:12.319
<v Speaker 2>and PLC systems, i e. In factory assembly lines or

1734
01:29:12.319 --> 01:29:15.279
<v Speaker 2>power plants, most of which are in Europe, Japan, and.

1735
01:29:15.239 --> 01:29:16.159
<v Speaker 1>The United States.

1736
01:29:16.479 --> 01:29:20.000
<v Speaker 2>Stucks that reportedly destroyed almost one fifth of the Iran's

1737
01:29:20.199 --> 01:29:24.920
<v Speaker 2>nuclear centrifuges. Targeting industrial control systems, the worm infected over

1738
01:29:25.000 --> 01:29:28.560
<v Speaker 2>two hundred thousand computers and caused one thousand machines to

1739
01:29:28.640 --> 01:29:33.760
<v Speaker 2>physically degrade. That's I would call that a raging success.

1740
01:29:34.760 --> 01:29:38.800
<v Speaker 2>But again, even with that success, it just kicked the

1741
01:29:38.800 --> 01:29:41.800
<v Speaker 2>can down the road a decade or so. True, like

1742
01:29:41.880 --> 01:29:45.720
<v Speaker 2>real shit. If it worked so effectively, we wouldn't be

1743
01:29:46.000 --> 01:29:48.439
<v Speaker 2>attacking Iran right now for the nukes that they may

1744
01:29:48.600 --> 01:29:50.600
<v Speaker 2>or may not be working on, and we wouldn't have

1745
01:29:50.600 --> 01:29:54.079
<v Speaker 2>sent bunker busters to their three biggest facilities last year.

1746
01:29:54.880 --> 01:29:59.520
<v Speaker 2>Stowing it out. Stucks net has three modules. A worm

1747
01:29:59.840 --> 01:30:03.359
<v Speaker 2>that it executes all routine related or all routines rather

1748
01:30:03.479 --> 01:30:06.439
<v Speaker 2>related to the main payload of the attack. A link

1749
01:30:06.479 --> 01:30:10.760
<v Speaker 2>file that automatically executes the propagated copies of the worm,

1750
01:30:11.319 --> 01:30:15.239
<v Speaker 2>and a root kit component responsible for hiding all malicious

1751
01:30:15.279 --> 01:30:19.640
<v Speaker 2>files and processes to prevent detection of stucksnet. So we

1752
01:30:19.760 --> 01:30:23.600
<v Speaker 2>got the actual worm itself, the actual virus.

1753
01:30:23.239 --> 01:30:25.119
<v Speaker 1>If you will, the link file.

1754
01:30:25.399 --> 01:30:27.840
<v Speaker 2>This is the one that just basically replicates it and

1755
01:30:27.920 --> 01:30:30.159
<v Speaker 2>just copy and copy and copies and helps it spread

1756
01:30:30.239 --> 01:30:33.560
<v Speaker 2>like a virus. And then the rootkit, which is essentially

1757
01:30:33.640 --> 01:30:36.760
<v Speaker 2>the cover that was the thing that recorded the regular

1758
01:30:36.840 --> 01:30:40.119
<v Speaker 2>operating procedures to where the computer system showed, Oh it's

1759
01:30:40.199 --> 01:30:42.960
<v Speaker 2>rated for a thousand RPMs. It's running a thousand RPMs.

1760
01:30:42.960 --> 01:30:45.760
<v Speaker 1>Perfect, look at it go. In reality, their.

1761
01:30:45.640 --> 01:30:50.720
<v Speaker 2>Shit was just tearing itself apart just a few you know. Wow,

1762
01:30:50.720 --> 01:30:52.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how close the control room is to

1763
01:30:52.640 --> 01:30:58.880
<v Speaker 2>the facility, to the components themselves, but yeah, I'm just saying,

1764
01:30:58.920 --> 01:30:59.880
<v Speaker 2>unless you had eyes on.

1765
01:30:59.880 --> 01:31:01.680
<v Speaker 1>The machine, you wouldn't have known what was going on.

1766
01:31:02.000 --> 01:31:06.680
<v Speaker 2>But continuing here, in the absence of either criteria, I'm

1767
01:31:06.680 --> 01:31:10.399
<v Speaker 2>sorry I jumped ahead here. It is typically introduced to

1768
01:31:10.560 --> 01:31:14.920
<v Speaker 2>the target environment via an infected USB flash drive, thus

1769
01:31:15.119 --> 01:31:18.239
<v Speaker 2>crossing any air gap. Now what an air gap is,

1770
01:31:18.239 --> 01:31:19.760
<v Speaker 2>and you're gonna hear that term brought up a couple

1771
01:31:19.800 --> 01:31:24.439
<v Speaker 2>of times. It's basically like the thing that would prevent

1772
01:31:24.840 --> 01:31:28.520
<v Speaker 2>something bad from happening, right, Like, for instance, with stucksnet,

1773
01:31:28.920 --> 01:31:32.279
<v Speaker 2>you can't like send an email and have it open,

1774
01:31:32.439 --> 01:31:35.279
<v Speaker 2>and that would immediately start the infection on this right.

1775
01:31:35.760 --> 01:31:38.800
<v Speaker 2>You can't wi fi it over, you can't bluetooth it over.

1776
01:31:39.199 --> 01:31:41.439
<v Speaker 2>So the fact that it has to physically be installed

1777
01:31:42.239 --> 01:31:43.319
<v Speaker 2>is an air gap.

1778
01:31:43.680 --> 01:31:43.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1779
01:31:44.319 --> 01:31:47.640
<v Speaker 2>So they found a guy who was willing to bridge

1780
01:31:47.640 --> 01:31:50.119
<v Speaker 2>that gap, if you will, and he died two weeks later.

1781
01:31:51.640 --> 01:31:55.159
<v Speaker 2>The worm then propagates across the network, scanning for semens

1782
01:31:55.199 --> 01:31:58.840
<v Speaker 2>step seven software on computers controlling a PLC and the

1783
01:31:58.920 --> 01:32:03.239
<v Speaker 2>absence of either and stucks net becomes dormant inside the computer.

1784
01:32:04.000 --> 01:32:05.760
<v Speaker 2>So if it got there and didn't see what it

1785
01:32:05.800 --> 01:32:08.159
<v Speaker 2>was looking for, it just stays there until one day

1786
01:32:08.199 --> 01:32:09.520
<v Speaker 2>somebody hooks it up to what.

1787
01:32:09.479 --> 01:32:10.880
<v Speaker 1>It's looking for, and then it starts.

1788
01:32:12.159 --> 01:32:15.840
<v Speaker 2>If both the conditions are fulfilled, stucksnet introduces the infected

1789
01:32:15.920 --> 01:32:19.640
<v Speaker 2>root key into the PLC in step seven software, modifying

1790
01:32:19.680 --> 01:32:22.840
<v Speaker 2>the code and giving unexpected commands to the PLC while

1791
01:32:22.840 --> 01:32:26.319
<v Speaker 2>we're turning a loop of normal operation system values back

1792
01:32:26.359 --> 01:32:29.279
<v Speaker 2>to the user. Long story short, the computer is showing

1793
01:32:29.279 --> 01:32:31.920
<v Speaker 2>a thousand RPMs. The machine's supposed to be going that way,

1794
01:32:32.760 --> 01:32:36.439
<v Speaker 2>and it's showing that across all boards. Meanwhile, everything is

1795
01:32:36.479 --> 01:32:40.920
<v Speaker 2>going horribly wrong just a few feet away. So let's

1796
01:32:40.920 --> 01:32:43.199
<v Speaker 2>talk about how it was discovered. It was discovered by

1797
01:32:43.319 --> 01:32:49.199
<v Speaker 2>Sergei Alasin from a Belarusian antivirus company called virus block.

1798
01:32:49.279 --> 01:32:54.000
<v Speaker 2>Ata initially spread via Microsoft Windows and targeted Siemens industrial

1799
01:32:54.000 --> 01:32:56.840
<v Speaker 2>control systems. While it is not the first time that

1800
01:32:56.920 --> 01:33:00.479
<v Speaker 2>hackers have targeted industrial systems nor the first public known

1801
01:33:00.479 --> 01:33:03.840
<v Speaker 2>intentional act of cyber warfare to the to be implemented,

1802
01:33:04.359 --> 01:33:07.800
<v Speaker 2>it is the first discovered malware that spies on and

1803
01:33:07.880 --> 01:33:11.920
<v Speaker 2>subverts industrial systems and the first to include a PLC

1804
01:33:12.039 --> 01:33:17.199
<v Speaker 2>root kit. So the warm initially spreads indiscriminately, but includes

1805
01:33:17.239 --> 01:33:20.760
<v Speaker 2>a highly specialized malware payload that is designed to target

1806
01:33:20.960 --> 01:33:25.479
<v Speaker 2>only Semens Supervisory Control and Data Acquisitions, which is the

1807
01:33:25.600 --> 01:33:30.159
<v Speaker 2>SCADA system. So basically, unless you were running a Semens

1808
01:33:30.359 --> 01:33:32.840
<v Speaker 2>on this, it wasn't going to do anything to you,

1809
01:33:33.840 --> 01:33:37.439
<v Speaker 2>which is kind of crazy that it was that it was.

1810
01:33:37.479 --> 01:33:42.800
<v Speaker 2>It was that specific, yeah, but intelligently designed like this

1811
01:33:42.960 --> 01:33:44.119
<v Speaker 2>was this was so.

1812
01:33:43.960 --> 01:33:46.600
<v Speaker 1>Strategic and they thought of everything they had to.

1813
01:33:46.840 --> 01:33:50.439
<v Speaker 2>They really did, they absolutely did. So anyway, continuing on,

1814
01:33:51.279 --> 01:33:53.600
<v Speaker 2>I just want to give a couple of the timelines

1815
01:33:53.800 --> 01:33:56.520
<v Speaker 2>on what was going on with this, with the discovery

1816
01:33:56.560 --> 01:34:01.399
<v Speaker 2>and things. So in May twenty eleven, the PBS program

1817
01:34:01.640 --> 01:34:05.039
<v Speaker 2>Need to Know cited a statement by Gary Seymour, which

1818
01:34:05.079 --> 01:34:08.439
<v Speaker 2>is the White House coordinator for Arms Control and Weapons

1819
01:34:08.439 --> 01:34:12.000
<v Speaker 2>of Mass Destruction, in which he said, quote, We're glad

1820
01:34:12.079 --> 01:34:15.680
<v Speaker 2>that they, the Iranians, are having trouble with their centrifuseed

1821
01:34:15.680 --> 01:34:19.640
<v Speaker 2>machines and that we are doing everything we can do

1822
01:34:19.800 --> 01:34:24.079
<v Speaker 2>to make sure that we complicate matters for them.

1823
01:34:24.319 --> 01:34:24.640
<v Speaker 1>Okad.

1824
01:34:25.399 --> 01:34:28.920
<v Speaker 2>That was in twenty eleven, before all this was like known.

1825
01:34:29.119 --> 01:34:31.359
<v Speaker 2>We're just like, well, we're happy they're having problems, and

1826
01:34:31.399 --> 01:34:33.279
<v Speaker 2>we are doing everything we can to.

1827
01:34:33.199 --> 01:34:37.600
<v Speaker 1>Make sure they keep having problems. Continuing on here.

1828
01:34:37.640 --> 01:34:41.159
<v Speaker 2>According to The Daily Telegraph, a show reel was played

1829
01:34:41.199 --> 01:34:43.800
<v Speaker 2>at a retirement party for the head of the IDF,

1830
01:34:44.159 --> 01:34:50.479
<v Speaker 2>Gabby Ashkanazi. His last name is Ashkanazi. Wow, that's okay,

1831
01:34:51.199 --> 01:34:55.359
<v Speaker 2>including references to stucksnet as one of his operational successes

1832
01:34:55.439 --> 01:34:59.359
<v Speaker 2>as the IDF Chief of Staff. So twenty eleven, this

1833
01:34:59.439 --> 01:35:02.760
<v Speaker 2>was understood in certain circles that this was going. On

1834
01:35:03.760 --> 01:35:06.199
<v Speaker 2>June one, twenty twelve, an article in The New York

1835
01:35:06.239 --> 01:35:08.680
<v Speaker 2>Times reported that stucks net was part of a US

1836
01:35:08.840 --> 01:35:12.920
<v Speaker 2>Israeli intelligence operation named Operational Olympic Games, devised by the

1837
01:35:13.039 --> 01:35:17.560
<v Speaker 2>NSA under Bush and executed under Obama. July twenty fourth,

1838
01:35:17.640 --> 01:35:22.520
<v Speaker 2>twenty twelve, an article by a reporter for c NEET

1839
01:35:22.640 --> 01:35:26.600
<v Speaker 2>reported that the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran emailed f

1840
01:35:26.720 --> 01:35:33.319
<v Speaker 2>secured chief research officer Miko Kiponen sure to report a

1841
01:35:33.359 --> 01:35:39.239
<v Speaker 2>new instance of malware. Christmas Day, twenty twelve, an Iranian

1842
01:35:39.359 --> 01:35:43.119
<v Speaker 2>semi official news agency announced there was a cyber attack

1843
01:35:43.199 --> 01:35:47.079
<v Speaker 2>by stuxnet, this time on the industries in the southern

1844
01:35:47.119 --> 01:35:50.439
<v Speaker 2>area of the country. The malware targeted a power plant

1845
01:35:50.439 --> 01:35:55.039
<v Speaker 2>and some of the other industries in the hormosgen province

1846
01:35:55.159 --> 01:35:59.119
<v Speaker 2>in twenty twelve. According to Eugene casper Sky, who was

1847
01:35:59.199 --> 01:36:05.359
<v Speaker 2>the security casper Sky Security Internet, the worm also infected

1848
01:36:05.399 --> 01:36:09.159
<v Speaker 2>a nuclear power plant in Russia. Casper Sky noted, however,

1849
01:36:09.479 --> 01:36:11.600
<v Speaker 2>that since the power plant is not connected to the

1850
01:36:11.600 --> 01:36:15.880
<v Speaker 2>public Internet, the system should remain safe. Okay, that was

1851
01:36:16.600 --> 01:36:19.640
<v Speaker 2>yeah anyway, anyway, So we're not going to go into

1852
01:36:19.720 --> 01:36:21.880
<v Speaker 2>the entire history of it. We kind of covered the

1853
01:36:21.920 --> 01:36:24.239
<v Speaker 2>good parts, I would think, but I do think it's

1854
01:36:24.239 --> 01:36:28.399
<v Speaker 2>also worth mentioning this so. Casper Sky Lab experts initially

1855
01:36:28.520 --> 01:36:32.159
<v Speaker 2>estimated that stucksnt began spreading around March or April of

1856
01:36:32.199 --> 01:36:35.079
<v Speaker 2>twenty ten, but the first variant of the worm appeared

1857
01:36:35.159 --> 01:36:38.359
<v Speaker 2>in June two thousand and nine. On July fifteenth, twenty ten,

1858
01:36:38.399 --> 01:36:41.039
<v Speaker 2>the day of the worm's existence became widely known, a

1859
01:36:41.079 --> 01:36:44.960
<v Speaker 2>distributed denial of service attack targeted the servers of two

1860
01:36:45.079 --> 01:36:49.479
<v Speaker 2>leading mailing lists on industrial system security. This attack, from

1861
01:36:49.520 --> 01:36:53.319
<v Speaker 2>an unknown source but possibly related to stucks net, disabled

1862
01:36:53.359 --> 01:36:56.479
<v Speaker 2>one of the lists, interrupting a key information source for

1863
01:36:56.560 --> 01:37:01.319
<v Speaker 2>power plants and factories. Separately, researchers at Semtech uncovered a

1864
01:37:01.399 --> 01:37:04.359
<v Speaker 2>version of stuxnet computer virus that was used to attack

1865
01:37:04.399 --> 01:37:07.359
<v Speaker 2>Iran's nuclear program in November of two thousand and seven,

1866
01:37:07.720 --> 01:37:11.000
<v Speaker 2>with evidence indicating it was under development as early as

1867
01:37:11.000 --> 01:37:13.600
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and five, when Iran was setting up its

1868
01:37:13.720 --> 01:37:18.840
<v Speaker 2>uranium enrichment facilities. A second variant with substantial improvements appeared

1869
01:37:18.880 --> 01:37:22.479
<v Speaker 2>in March twenty ten, reportedly due to concerns that stucksnt

1870
01:37:22.520 --> 01:37:26.840
<v Speaker 2>was not spreading fast enough. This is when Obama took.

1871
01:37:26.720 --> 01:37:29.000
<v Speaker 1>Over and threw gas on the fire, so to speak.

1872
01:37:29.600 --> 01:37:33.079
<v Speaker 2>A third variant with minor improvements followed in April of

1873
01:37:33.119 --> 01:37:36.319
<v Speaker 2>twenty ten. The worm contains a component with a build

1874
01:37:36.399 --> 01:37:40.399
<v Speaker 2>time stamp from the third of February twenty ten, and

1875
01:37:40.479 --> 01:37:43.399
<v Speaker 2>on November twenty fifth, twenty ten, sky News in the

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<v Speaker 2>United Kingdom reported receiving information from an anonymous source that

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<v Speaker 2>an unidentified IT security organization claiming that stucks net or

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01:37:51.680 --> 01:37:54.439
<v Speaker 2>a variation of the worm had been traded on the

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01:37:54.439 --> 01:37:58.680
<v Speaker 2>black market. So now we're talking stucks net was basically

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01:37:58.680 --> 01:38:02.079
<v Speaker 2>being open air traded on the dark web, so to speak.

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<v Speaker 2>In twenty fifteen, Casper sky Lab reported that the Equation

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01:38:06.880 --> 01:38:09.600
<v Speaker 2>Group had used two of the same zero day attacks

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<v Speaker 2>prior to their use in Stucksnet, in another malware called

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01:38:13.520 --> 01:38:17.199
<v Speaker 2>fanny dot BPM. Now you might be asking what is

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01:38:17.239 --> 01:38:18.239
<v Speaker 2>the Equation Group?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm so glad that you asked.

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<v Speaker 2>The Equation Group is a highly sophisticated state sponsored cyber

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01:38:24.000 --> 01:38:28.159
<v Speaker 2>espionage threat actor active since at least two thousand and one,

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01:38:28.560 --> 01:38:30.840
<v Speaker 2>widely believed to be linked to the United States National

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01:38:30.840 --> 01:38:36.159
<v Speaker 2>Security Agency or the NSA, specifically, It's tailored Access Operations Unit.

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01:38:36.359 --> 01:38:38.920
<v Speaker 2>The group is considered one of the most advanced cyber

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<v Speaker 2>attack operations ever discovered.

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<v Speaker 1>So things would be.

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<v Speaker 2>Like one of these hacker groups that work for the

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01:38:45.680 --> 01:38:48.479
<v Speaker 2>government another one that we're gonna hear a lot from

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01:38:48.520 --> 01:38:50.920
<v Speaker 2>which both of them were working in this are called

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<v Speaker 2>the Shadow Brokers. The Shadow Brokers are a hacker group

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<v Speaker 2>that emerged in the mid In mid twenty sixteen, they

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<v Speaker 2>published several weeks containing hacking tools in including several zero

1900
01:39:01.119 --> 01:39:04.720
<v Speaker 2>day exploits from the Equation Group, who are widely expected

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01:39:04.760 --> 01:39:09.079
<v Speaker 2>to be a branch of the NSA of the United States. Specifically,

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01:39:09.439 --> 01:39:14.800
<v Speaker 2>these exploits are vulnerabilities targeted enterprise firewalls, antivirus software, and

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01:39:14.920 --> 01:39:19.279
<v Speaker 2>Microsoft products. The Shadow Brokers originally attributed the leaks to

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01:39:19.439 --> 01:39:22.399
<v Speaker 2>the Equation Group threat Actor, who have been tied to

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01:39:22.439 --> 01:39:25.960
<v Speaker 2>the NSA Tailored Access Operations Unit. All of this, by

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01:39:26.000 --> 01:39:29.640
<v Speaker 2>the way, was discussed in the WikiLeaks, So just so

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<v Speaker 2>we're all clear here, it's sitting like some crazy off

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01:39:31.800 --> 01:39:37.399
<v Speaker 2>the wall thing anyway. Twenty nineteen, the Chronicle researchers Juan

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01:39:37.520 --> 01:39:42.319
<v Speaker 2>Andreas Guerrero Sayid and Silas cut Jesus, you got four

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01:39:42.399 --> 01:39:44.640
<v Speaker 2>names on one and two on the other. Okay, presented

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01:39:44.680 --> 01:39:48.600
<v Speaker 2>findings indicating that at least four distinct threat actor malware

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01:39:48.640 --> 01:39:53.319
<v Speaker 2>platforms collaborated in developing the different versions of Stucksnet. The

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01:39:53.359 --> 01:39:57.520
<v Speaker 2>collaboration was referred to as A or as gossip Girl,

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01:39:58.680 --> 01:40:02.279
<v Speaker 2>a name derived from a threat group mentioned in classified

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01:40:02.319 --> 01:40:04.600
<v Speaker 2>CSEC slides that included Flame.

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01:40:04.840 --> 01:40:05.560
<v Speaker 1>Gossip Girl.

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01:40:06.319 --> 01:40:10.279
<v Speaker 2>UH is described as a cooperative umbrella encompassing the Equation Group,

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01:40:10.640 --> 01:40:15.479
<v Speaker 2>Flame Doku, and flower Shop, also known as Chess Sire cat.

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01:40:15.399 --> 01:40:16.479
<v Speaker 1>Cairly a girl named this.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe, but basically these groups, the Equation Group, Flame Doku,

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01:40:23.640 --> 01:40:27.399
<v Speaker 2>and flower Shop, all of these are essentially state sanctioned

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01:40:27.439 --> 01:40:31.800
<v Speaker 2>hacker groups. So interesting if you're ever curious about if

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01:40:31.800 --> 01:40:34.720
<v Speaker 2>our government or are if our tax dollars are going

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01:40:34.760 --> 01:40:38.680
<v Speaker 2>towards hacking us. Yes, because all these are under the NSA.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if all the people that work there are

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01:40:40.680 --> 01:40:43.399
<v Speaker 1>going to be able to be sanctioned into cyber force.

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<v Speaker 1>Like maybe he just moves them over and it's like

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<v Speaker 1>here you go. You guys, are you're a general now you.

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<v Speaker 2>Used to work for the NSA, Now you're a sergeant.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like I'm a what, yeah, I get to work

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<v Speaker 2>chop shop.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's go. What have you like? Made them all top

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01:40:58.600 --> 01:41:00.439
<v Speaker 1>ranking people and was like, all right, here you go,

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01:41:00.520 --> 01:41:00.960
<v Speaker 1>here you go.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it crazy that I just want to be like

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<v Speaker 2>a supply sergeant for the Space Force.

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<v Speaker 3>No.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually just had this conversation this morning or this

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<v Speaker 1>afternoon with my skatest fucking joke. You're talking about like

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01:41:12.439 --> 01:41:14.920
<v Speaker 1>military branches and all of this stuff, and I was like, look,

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01:41:15.479 --> 01:41:19.000
<v Speaker 1>if you're gonna do anything Space Force as your friend, yes,

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01:41:19.039 --> 01:41:21.319
<v Speaker 1>I was like twenty I was like two thy two

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01:41:21.359 --> 01:41:25.800
<v Speaker 1>hundred members only I was like, you're gonna you're gonna

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01:41:25.800 --> 01:41:29.199
<v Speaker 1>live a life of luxury. Okay, God, like maybe you

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01:41:29.199 --> 01:41:30.920
<v Speaker 1>get to play war games too, So I.

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<v Speaker 2>Know one's gonna fuck with you because no one knows

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01:41:32.760 --> 01:41:35.000
<v Speaker 2>how to like, yeah, they're gonna make fun of you

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<v Speaker 2>for being Space Force.

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<v Speaker 1>But he's like super okay. He is really tech savvy

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01:41:40.479 --> 01:41:43.239
<v Speaker 1>like my mom is, and like I'm like this is

1951
01:41:43.319 --> 01:41:45.800
<v Speaker 1>this is gonna be your gam You're super into space,

1952
01:41:45.960 --> 01:41:49.079
<v Speaker 1>you're super into like alien crap, and you're super into

1953
01:41:49.720 --> 01:41:53.359
<v Speaker 1>sci fi and cyber stuff and computers and all of this.

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01:41:53.439 --> 01:41:56.199
<v Speaker 1>I was like melded into one. I don't want him

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01:41:56.239 --> 01:41:59.680
<v Speaker 1>to join the military at all, but if I if

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01:41:59.720 --> 01:42:04.600
<v Speaker 1>he decides to, like that's what we just called to do. I'mlike,

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01:42:05.439 --> 01:42:06.840
<v Speaker 1>space Force is your friend.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously, maybe cyber Force. Maybe we'll see if that becomes

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01:42:09.680 --> 01:42:15.199
<v Speaker 2>a thing. Maybe anyway, So in twenty twenty, researcher Fecundo

1960
01:42:15.680 --> 01:42:20.800
<v Speaker 2>Munos probably butchered it presented finding suggesting that Equation Group

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01:42:20.920 --> 01:42:24.000
<v Speaker 2>may have collaborated with stucksnet developers in two thousand and

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01:42:24.119 --> 01:42:27.279
<v Speaker 2>nine by providing at least one zero day exploit and

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01:42:27.319 --> 01:42:30.159
<v Speaker 2>one exploit from two thousand and eight that was actively

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01:42:30.279 --> 01:42:34.079
<v Speaker 2>used by the Configer, computer Worm and Chinese hackers. We

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01:42:34.119 --> 01:42:36.399
<v Speaker 2>could do a whole other episode on Conficker if y'all want,

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01:42:36.479 --> 01:42:39.319
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, in twenty seventeen, a group of hackers known

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01:42:39.399 --> 01:42:43.199
<v Speaker 2>as the Shadow Brokers leaked a collection of tools attributed

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01:42:43.239 --> 01:42:45.880
<v Speaker 2>to the Equation Group. We just read about that, including

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01:42:45.920 --> 01:42:49.720
<v Speaker 2>new versions of both exploits compiled in twenty ten. Analysis

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01:42:49.720 --> 01:42:53.479
<v Speaker 2>of the leak data indicated significant code overlaps, as both

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01:42:53.520 --> 01:42:57.640
<v Speaker 2>stucksnet exploits and the Equation Group's exploits were developed using

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01:42:57.640 --> 01:43:02.640
<v Speaker 2>a set of libraries called the xploit development framework. This

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01:43:02.800 --> 01:43:05.600
<v Speaker 2>was also leaked by the Shadow Brokers, so clearly they

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01:43:05.600 --> 01:43:08.600
<v Speaker 2>were in the same ballpark, probably the same office.

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01:43:08.640 --> 01:43:09.119
<v Speaker 1>To be honest.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I want to talk about the affected countries of

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01:43:12.159 --> 01:43:15.399
<v Speaker 2>stucks net because it went a little further than anticipated.

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<v Speaker 2>So Iran was if we're looking at a one hundred

1979
01:43:19.159 --> 01:43:22.600
<v Speaker 2>percent piece of the pie, Iran was fifty eight point

1980
01:43:22.680 --> 01:43:26.279
<v Speaker 2>nine percent of that pie. Was where stucks net got busy.

1981
01:43:26.760 --> 01:43:31.279
<v Speaker 2>Indonesia eighteen point two percent, India eight point three percent,

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01:43:31.439 --> 01:43:35.159
<v Speaker 2>azer by John two point six percent, the United States

1983
01:43:35.680 --> 01:43:37.960
<v Speaker 2>we developed it and ended up getting fucked by it

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01:43:38.039 --> 01:43:41.960
<v Speaker 2>one point six percent, Pakistan one point three percent, and

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01:43:42.039 --> 01:43:45.800
<v Speaker 2>other countries nine point two So just in total here,

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01:43:45.840 --> 01:43:50.159
<v Speaker 2>but primarily Iran. Obviously that was the entire purpose of

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01:43:50.199 --> 01:43:54.039
<v Speaker 2>it being launched. But when Old Boy left and plugged

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01:43:54.119 --> 01:43:56.439
<v Speaker 2>up his computer that happened to have stucks net on it.

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01:43:56.479 --> 01:43:58.640
<v Speaker 2>But it was laying dormant because it saw no systems

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01:43:58.640 --> 01:44:01.000
<v Speaker 2>that it could affect. As soon as I got onto

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01:44:01.000 --> 01:44:05.359
<v Speaker 2>the Internet, it found ways to perform its function, if

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01:44:05.399 --> 01:44:07.840
<v Speaker 2>you will, And yeah, it was. It was a whole

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01:44:08.239 --> 01:44:10.800
<v Speaker 2>whole situation. And I'm not going to get into all

1994
01:44:10.840 --> 01:44:13.000
<v Speaker 2>the nitty gritty here, but on screen you can see

1995
01:44:13.680 --> 01:44:18.039
<v Speaker 2>Windows was affected by it. Step seven software PLC infection.

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01:44:18.199 --> 01:44:20.720
<v Speaker 2>These these are the PLCs that I was talking about that.

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01:44:21.319 --> 01:44:24.600
<v Speaker 2>I used to work on install program all of the things,

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01:44:25.119 --> 01:44:29.279
<v Speaker 2>and it was specifically looking for these, which is crazy

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01:44:29.359 --> 01:44:32.039
<v Speaker 2>in and of itself. Now there is a way to

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01:44:32.039 --> 01:44:35.760
<v Speaker 2>remove it. Semens has released a detection and removal tool

2001
01:44:35.840 --> 01:44:39.920
<v Speaker 2>for stucks neet. Semens recommends contacting customer support if an

2002
01:44:39.960 --> 01:44:44.319
<v Speaker 2>infection is detected, and advises installing Microsoft updates for security

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01:44:44.399 --> 01:44:48.560
<v Speaker 2>vulnerabilities and prohibiting the use of third party USB flash drives.

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01:44:48.600 --> 01:44:50.359
<v Speaker 1>I wonder how much Bill Gates made off of this?

2005
01:44:50.760 --> 01:44:54.680
<v Speaker 1>Oh right, Oh come on, man, you know damn good

2006
01:44:54.680 --> 01:44:56.600
<v Speaker 1>and well he got a portion of this pie.

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01:44:56.640 --> 01:44:58.479
<v Speaker 2>Wait a minute, you mean to tell me that I

2008
01:44:58.520 --> 01:45:00.880
<v Speaker 2>can now just start releasing up dates and now all

2009
01:45:00.920 --> 01:45:04.239
<v Speaker 2>these big manufacturing facilities have to purchase it.

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<v Speaker 1>When did he meet? The whole thing about like Apple

2011
01:45:08.439 --> 01:45:09.960
<v Speaker 1>computers can't get viruses.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I've ever heard that. I'm pretty

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01:45:14.760 --> 01:45:15.479
<v Speaker 2>confident they can.

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<v Speaker 1>You never heard that, Like, I don't even know if

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01:45:17.760 --> 01:45:19.359
<v Speaker 1>it's actually real or not, but.

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<v Speaker 2>You never heard there's a way. You know, we can,

2017
01:45:23.520 --> 01:45:25.720
<v Speaker 2>we can make this thing crash out if we wanted to.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't know. Yeah, you can.

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01:45:29.960 --> 01:45:31.800
<v Speaker 2>Your and iPhone can get viruses.

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01:45:32.720 --> 01:45:35.439
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, because like that's I remember that being

2021
01:45:35.520 --> 01:45:38.720
<v Speaker 1>like a whole thing of like it can't get viruses. Yes,

2022
01:45:38.760 --> 01:45:42.079
<v Speaker 1>they can get viruses, but yeah, no, like I remember

2023
01:45:42.159 --> 01:45:44.880
<v Speaker 1>that was like a whole thing. I remember a talking

2024
01:45:44.920 --> 01:45:47.359
<v Speaker 1>point people talk about like you know, they can't get

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01:45:47.359 --> 01:45:49.239
<v Speaker 1>any viruses, blah blah blah.

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01:45:49.359 --> 01:45:51.359
<v Speaker 2>Was that just a sales picture? Was that actually based

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01:45:51.399 --> 01:45:52.039
<v Speaker 2>in reality?

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01:45:52.840 --> 01:45:56.039
<v Speaker 1>I don't know actually, but yeah, they have built in protections,

2029
01:45:56.680 --> 01:46:01.319
<v Speaker 1>the deeper, the X, the X Protector, the new Max

2030
01:46:01.399 --> 01:46:04.359
<v Speaker 1>have them all where families as well. But I was

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01:46:04.399 --> 01:46:09.840
<v Speaker 1>just curious because if we're talking about them utilizing his stuff, yeah,

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01:46:09.920 --> 01:46:13.159
<v Speaker 1>you know, and then what he was he part of this,

2033
01:46:13.319 --> 01:46:16.039
<v Speaker 1>like could be able to use that to help protect

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01:46:16.039 --> 01:46:17.000
<v Speaker 1>his stuff later on.

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<v Speaker 2>So to my knowledge, no, and with the research I've done,

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01:46:21.239 --> 01:46:23.880
<v Speaker 2>Microsoft I don't believe was complicit in this. But I

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01:46:23.920 --> 01:46:26.880
<v Speaker 2>do think that their program is and I don't want

2038
01:46:26.880 --> 01:46:29.039
<v Speaker 2>to say simple to make it seem like, oh anybody

2039
01:46:29.119 --> 01:46:30.880
<v Speaker 2>could figure it. No, no, no, But as far as like

2040
01:46:30.960 --> 01:46:35.840
<v Speaker 2>computer software is concerned, Microsoft is relatively simple.

2041
01:46:36.279 --> 01:46:38.479
<v Speaker 1>It's made for you know, ease of user.

2042
01:46:38.840 --> 01:46:41.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, so, I mean it's it's not too

2043
01:46:41.520 --> 01:46:43.800
<v Speaker 2>terribly crazy to get a virus in there that could

2044
01:46:43.800 --> 01:46:47.479
<v Speaker 2>tear it apart. But yeah, he absolutely made some money

2045
01:46:47.520 --> 01:46:49.319
<v Speaker 2>on the back end of trying to fix the problem.

2046
01:46:49.720 --> 01:46:52.680
<v Speaker 2>Guarantee that where there's where there is catastrophe, there.

2047
01:46:52.600 --> 01:46:53.560
<v Speaker 1>Is money to be made.

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01:46:53.760 --> 01:46:56.520
<v Speaker 2>That is a fact. So anyway around was targeted. We

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01:46:56.560 --> 01:47:01.800
<v Speaker 2>talked about the naton's nuclear facility. Israel also had their

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01:47:01.840 --> 01:47:04.600
<v Speaker 2>own shake on this. The United States had some issues

2051
01:47:04.640 --> 01:47:08.680
<v Speaker 2>with it, the joint effort and other states and targets

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01:47:09.479 --> 01:47:12.560
<v Speaker 2>North Korea. It was actually there was an attempt to

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01:47:12.600 --> 01:47:16.840
<v Speaker 2>send it to North Korea, according to reports by Reuters.

2054
01:47:16.880 --> 01:47:20.119
<v Speaker 2>The NSA also tried to sabotage North Korea's nuclear program

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01:47:20.159 --> 01:47:23.640
<v Speaker 2>using a version of stucksnet. The operation was reportedly launched

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01:47:23.720 --> 01:47:27.000
<v Speaker 2>in tandem with the attack that targeted Iranian centrifusions in

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01:47:27.000 --> 01:47:30.159
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and nine twenty ten. But there's a problem.

2058
01:47:30.600 --> 01:47:32.800
<v Speaker 2>There's a big problem with the North Korean side of it.

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01:47:33.359 --> 01:47:36.239
<v Speaker 2>The nuclear program shares a number of similarities with Iranians,

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01:47:36.239 --> 01:47:39.640
<v Speaker 2>both having been developed with the technology transferred from Pakistani

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01:47:39.720 --> 01:47:43.479
<v Speaker 2>nuclear scientist Aq Khan. But the problem is the effort

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01:47:43.520 --> 01:47:47.279
<v Speaker 2>failed because North Korea's extreme secrecy and isolation made it

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01:47:47.319 --> 01:47:50.640
<v Speaker 2>impossible to introduce stucksnet into the nuclear facility.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, you'd have to get somebody on the

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01:47:53.239 --> 01:47:54.880
<v Speaker 1>deep inside, Like Eric.

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01:47:54.760 --> 01:47:57.720
<v Speaker 2>Can't walk up into North Korea and act like he's

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01:47:57.800 --> 01:47:59.199
<v Speaker 2>an average Joe over there.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know how you'd really, Like, you'd have

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<v Speaker 1>to do so much to try to even get it

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01:48:03.880 --> 01:48:07.239
<v Speaker 1>into the country, let alone somebody that would willingly risk

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01:48:07.439 --> 01:48:09.600
<v Speaker 1>knowing that they're going to die, Like basically, they.

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01:48:09.479 --> 01:48:11.640
<v Speaker 2>Just know they're going to die, they wouldn't. Hell, if

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01:48:11.680 --> 01:48:16.000
<v Speaker 2>you leave the country, your grandchildren are going to be

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01:48:16.079 --> 01:48:19.199
<v Speaker 2>serving a life of hard labor for you, Like that's

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01:48:19.239 --> 01:48:21.159
<v Speaker 2>how they do it. Like your cousins people and your

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01:48:21.159 --> 01:48:23.880
<v Speaker 2>family you've never met are going to be serving life

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01:48:23.880 --> 01:48:26.520
<v Speaker 2>of hard labor because you escaped. Let's go ahead and

2078
01:48:26.600 --> 01:48:29.600
<v Speaker 2>fuck up their whole nuclear program. Like no, they'll wipe

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01:48:29.600 --> 01:48:31.159
<v Speaker 2>off your entire bloodline from the map.

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01:48:31.319 --> 01:48:32.199
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah for sure.

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01:48:32.279 --> 01:48:34.960
<v Speaker 2>So anyway, I just thought it was worth mentioning North

2082
01:48:35.039 --> 01:48:38.359
<v Speaker 2>Korea also had their share on this one. But anyway,

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01:48:38.520 --> 01:48:41.159
<v Speaker 2>there is in fact a secret twin. But I don't

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01:48:41.159 --> 01:48:44.279
<v Speaker 2>want to jump ahead just yet. I do want to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about this so right now I have on warfronts.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a Simon Whistler show. Y'all know I'm a fan

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<v Speaker 1>of his content.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is also going to be talking a little

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<v Speaker 2>more in depth about the other side of stucks neet.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's learn together.

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<v Speaker 4>The significance of the Starksnet attacks were unprecedented. This was

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<v Speaker 4>the first time a nation state have been able to

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<v Speaker 4>remotely destroy the infrastructure of another nation state through digital means.

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<v Speaker 4>The genie was out of the bottle, or at least

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<v Speaker 4>it was for the public. Starks Net wasn't simply the

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<v Speaker 4>first cyber weapon created by world powers. It was the

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<v Speaker 4>most successful by far that is publicly known, but it's

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<v Speaker 4>not the first. And the more you delve into the

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<v Speaker 4>true origins of Starksnet, the stranger things become. To really

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<v Speaker 4>understand where it came from, we need to go back

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<v Speaker 4>further than you could possibly imagine. Five years after its discovery,

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<v Speaker 4>in twenty fifteen, it was found that there were links

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<v Speaker 4>in Stocksnet's code that relate to a mysterious hacker organization

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<v Speaker 4>known as the Equation Group. It was on earth by

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<v Speaker 4>the Kaspersky Lab, one of the foremost global organizations on cybersecurity,

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<v Speaker 4>noticing several distinct similarities between the code in various other

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<v Speaker 4>viruses such as fanny Flame and flower Shop, as well

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<v Speaker 4>as Starksnet. For example, prior to Starksnet, two of the

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<v Speaker 4>four zer Roodee exploits that it used were discovered in

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<v Speaker 4>other malware that predates Starksnet's existence, meaning at the very

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<v Speaker 4>least those who created starks Net and the Equation Group

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<v Speaker 4>collaborated on their work or there was overlap in personnel.

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<v Speaker 4>The Equation Group's oldest code goes back to two thousand

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<v Speaker 4>and one, but according to the Kaspersky Lab, they could

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<v Speaker 4>have been in operation as early as nineteen ninety six.

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<v Speaker 4>The Equation Group have targeted a geopolitical level infrastructure all

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<v Speaker 4>over the world, from governments and diplomatic institutions, to aerospace

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<v Speaker 4>and energy groups, to nuclear research and nanotechnology. Only a

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<v Speaker 4>group with incredible technical prowess, the funding to develop such malware,

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<v Speaker 4>and the intelligence to deploy it all over the globe

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<v Speaker 4>would be able to do what the Equation Group had done.

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<v Speaker 4>The Kasperski Lab seems to think so, too, describing them

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<v Speaker 4>as the most advanced hackers they've ever seen due to

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<v Speaker 4>having self destruct features another similarity to starksnets in their code.

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<v Speaker 4>It's difficult to ascertain the real numbers affected by the group.

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<v Speaker 4>While only five hundred malware infections could be found, the

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<v Speaker 4>real number could be in the tens of thousands, and

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<v Speaker 4>nobody has any idea they existed for at least a

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<v Speaker 4>decade and a half. Due to all the similarities to

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<v Speaker 4>starks NEETs, alongside the technical prowess of their work, the

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<v Speaker 4>Equation Group is assumed to be heavily linked to the

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<v Speaker 4>Tailored Access Operations unit of the NSSA. The NSA code

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<v Speaker 4>words straight Acid and straight Shooter have been found in

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<v Speaker 4>the Equation Group's code. A former NSA employee told Reuters

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<v Speaker 4>that Kasperski's analysis was correct and that people still in

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<v Speaker 4>the intelligence agency valued these spying programs as highly as starksnet.

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<v Speaker 4>Another former intelligence operative stated that the NSA had developed

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<v Speaker 4>the ability to conceal spyware in hard drives, but said

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<v Speaker 4>he did not know which spy efforts relied on it.

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<v Speaker 4>It would be confirmed by Edward Snowden's whistleblowing in twenty

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<v Speaker 4>thirteen that the NSSA did have domestic and international spying

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<v Speaker 4>operations ongoing. In twenty seventeen, a group of hackers called

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<v Speaker 4>the Shadow Brokers stole data belonging to the Equation Group,

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<v Speaker 4>the most recent of which was from twenty thirteen. This

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<v Speaker 4>would align with the nssa's information lockdown. Since Snowden's leaks,

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<v Speaker 4>it appears that starksnet was not the only cyber weapon

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<v Speaker 4>being developed by the USA, which begs the question, what

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<v Speaker 4>else don't we know?

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<v Speaker 1>Agreed one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 2>So all right, so now we understand that sucks net

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<v Speaker 2>had its roots way earlier. Back he's talking about possibly

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<v Speaker 2>in the nineties.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, nineteen ninety six, I think you.

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<v Speaker 2>Said ninety six or ninety seven.

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<v Speaker 1>One of these.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like the hacker groups themselves who are installing this malware,

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<v Speaker 2>installing these worms for the specific function that's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>been around for a little minute, but never had it

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<v Speaker 2>been done to the tune of making a computer system

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<v Speaker 2>fuck up actual physical hardware. So it's just it's mind

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<v Speaker 2>blowing the levels that they went to make this work

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<v Speaker 2>in the manner that they did. And now let's talk

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<v Speaker 2>about one of these that might pre date stucks net

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<v Speaker 2>Fast sixteen. And if you've never heard of that, don't worry.

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<v Speaker 2>I had never heard of it before I started doing

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<v Speaker 2>this research. Pre stucks net sabotage tool was built to

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<v Speaker 2>subvert nuclear weapons simulations. Yeah, so all right, let's talk

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<v Speaker 2>about this. This is a new analysis confirms the targeted

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<v Speaker 2>applications and reveals Fast sixteen was tailored to corrupt uranium

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<v Speaker 2>compression simulations central to nuclear weapons design. So the Fast

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<v Speaker 2>sixteen's hook engine is selectively interested in high explosive simulations

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<v Speaker 2>inside ls.

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<v Speaker 1>DINA and autodyne.

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<v Speaker 2>All evidences suggest that attackers were specifically targeted simulations of

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<v Speaker 2>nuclear detonations. The malware checks for the density of the

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<v Speaker 2>material being simulated and only acts when that value passes

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<v Speaker 2>thirty grams per centimeter square or cubed per cubic gram

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<v Speaker 2>cubic gram centimeter.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't get me.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I understand it's a density thing. I understand that,

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<v Speaker 2>but like I've actually I don't think I've ever seen

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<v Speaker 2>a metric version of that gram per cubic centimeter. But

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<v Speaker 2>like we usually say like pound per square inch, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what I mean, Like I understand, sorry for everybody

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<v Speaker 2>who doesn't speak freedom units. I just I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>I've ever actually read that out loud, like a metric

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<v Speaker 2>like that. Anyway, The threshold uranium can only reach under

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<v Speaker 2>the shock of compression of an implosion device, So I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know that when uranium reaches that level, it's obviously

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<v Speaker 2>that it's exploding thirty grams per cubic centimeter. That's interesting, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Up to ten distinct software builds carried Taylor hooks, suggesting

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<v Speaker 2>a sustained operation that tracks target organization software updates over years.

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<v Speaker 2>The tampering only activates during full scale transient blast and

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<v Speaker 2>detonation runs, and fast sixteen propagates within a target network

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<v Speaker 2>using share enumeration and impersonation, but is built not to

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<v Speaker 2>leave that network, so it wouldn't be one of these

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<v Speaker 2>things where as soon as it gets to the Internet

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<v Speaker 2>it just multiplies like crazy, just gets there and stays

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<v Speaker 2>there kind of thing. So overview. In April of six

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<v Speaker 2>twenty six, our peers in The Sentinel One published the

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<v Speaker 2>first public analysis of fast sixteen, a previously undiscovered sabotage

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<v Speaker 2>framework whose oldest components appear to date from around two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and five, approximately two years before Stuck's Net first

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<v Speaker 2>became active, but learning what we learned about earlier, it

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<v Speaker 2>was being developed at the same time. Right two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and five, they were absolutely working on Stuck's Net, but

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<v Speaker 2>this was also being worked on probably I would say

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<v Speaker 2>by the same groups in the same offices from the

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<v Speaker 2>same payer, honestly.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So the framework consists of several or service binary that

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<v Speaker 2>embeds an early LUA five point zero virtual machine, a

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<v Speaker 2>boot start file system driver that intercepts and patches executable

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<v Speaker 2>code as it is read from a disc, and a

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<v Speaker 2>rule driven hook engine that rewrites rewrites very specific instruction

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<v Speaker 2>sequences inside a single narrowly defined targeted application. Now, I

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<v Speaker 2>know I'm just throwing out a lot of big words here,

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<v Speaker 2>but essentially it intercepts and it's for watching, right, It's

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<v Speaker 2>it intercepts and reads a thing and then sends it forward.

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<v Speaker 2>But like now you get to see what's happening, and

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<v Speaker 2>you might be able to alter what is said. It's

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<v Speaker 2>for the purpose of sabotage, not for the purpose of spying.

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<v Speaker 1>Does that make sense now?

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<v Speaker 2>Confirming the target application down here, they even show like

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<v Speaker 2>a bit of the code and I'm not even reading it,

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<v Speaker 2>but it says below is an example of rules forty

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<v Speaker 2>six and forty seven, which capture and overwrite a very

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<v Speaker 2>specific x eighty seven floating point sequence which I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>going to read this because it doesn't make sense in English,

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<v Speaker 2>but the computer speaks that language if you understand what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying. The patterns, the patterns of the rules match

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<v Speaker 2>against do not match against every Intel four train compiled

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<v Speaker 2>Single Precision Explicit Dynamic SOLVAD of that era, but are

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<v Speaker 2>found in versions of ls DINA and AutoDim. These patterns

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<v Speaker 2>are specific to different versions of the software, and some

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<v Speaker 2>could belong to other simulation programs as well. Anyway, long

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01:57:15.159 --> 01:57:18.479
<v Speaker 2>story short, it came in two different mechanisms, Mechanism A

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<v Speaker 2>and Mechanism B. Long story short, it did the things

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<v Speaker 2>that it needed to do. Mechanism A took the data,

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<v Speaker 2>mechanism be altered the data, so to speak. And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>oversimplifying this, and then mechanism see scent it.

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<v Speaker 1>Continuing on here. It was strictly for.

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<v Speaker 2>The nuclear detonation simulation, but all this ties into Iran

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<v Speaker 2>the year's lineup. What was being done for the principle

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01:57:42.159 --> 01:57:46.359
<v Speaker 2>of sabotaging Iran's nuclear capabilities in this timeframe lineup. I

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<v Speaker 2>would argue that fast sixteen was being developed around the

2247
01:57:49.239 --> 01:57:52.800
<v Speaker 2>same time, if not literally, in tandem with Stucksnet, but

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01:57:52.920 --> 01:57:55.800
<v Speaker 2>it's no one knew about it until now. Like we

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01:57:55.880 --> 01:57:59.960
<v Speaker 2>only just really quote unquote discovered it a few months ago. Interesting,

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<v Speaker 2>So looking at all these things, we have been trying

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<v Speaker 2>to keep nukes out of Iran's hands for years actually,

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<v Speaker 2>I would say two decades. And although operational Olympic Games

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<v Speaker 2>was a success, it didn't exactly stop anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Was it that successful though, Like realistically, if we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about five thousand and it took out one thousand, like

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<v Speaker 1>if it was like twenty five hundred, I'd feel like

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<v Speaker 1>that is a solid success. Now I will say it's

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<v Speaker 1>a success because it was the first cyber attack that

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<v Speaker 1>was able to actually execute, continue to run for several

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<v Speaker 1>years without being able to be found and stop. So

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<v Speaker 1>technically that is a success I meant in the sense

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<v Speaker 1>of how many they were able to shut off.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, it wasn't like an overwhelming victory for

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<v Speaker 2>the United States or Israel.

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<v Speaker 1>Mean, but it did put it back more so that's

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01:58:53.920 --> 01:58:59.600
<v Speaker 1>a positive. But now we're in this situation, it's like, yeah, yeah, Tebaud,

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<v Speaker 1>they couldn't put like a little tiny bomb that like

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<v Speaker 1>when detonated, but then it just like fries everything, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's interesting you say that because Israel did that

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<v Speaker 2>with the pagers. You remember that.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't actually.

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<v Speaker 2>Last year or two years ago, the pagers that blew

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<v Speaker 2>up in everybody's pockets.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna be honest with you, I didn't actually hear

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<v Speaker 1>about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh hold on, raven Lee, hold on, no here. So

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<v Speaker 2>the Moussad decided that they wanted to target only Hesbelah

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<v Speaker 2>members and affiliates of and so how could we do this? Somehow,

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<v Speaker 2>some way Hesbla thought that pagers were untraceable. Oh and

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<v Speaker 2>for the record, we're not talking about back in the

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<v Speaker 2>nineties when pages were still being used. I mean up

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<v Speaker 2>until like last year or the year before. Actually, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the year before last. They were carrying around pagers because

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<v Speaker 2>they thought that nobody could trace this. What they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know is that these pages were built from the Israeli

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<v Speaker 2>government and inside the battery was explosives.

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<v Speaker 1>That's smart.

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<v Speaker 2>So for three years they had these pager systems that

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<v Speaker 2>were sent out to these people, all the way to

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<v Speaker 2>the president or the Prime Minister of Iran. There's a

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<v Speaker 2>picture of him sitting at a table at giving a

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<v Speaker 2>press conference. There's a pager on a table next to them.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody uses pagers, so you know where that came from

2294
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<v Speaker 2>and essentially they were gathering data on these dudes, locations, numbers,

2295
02:00:38.800 --> 02:00:41.439
<v Speaker 2>they were using it like a phone and texting certain messages.

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02:00:41.720 --> 02:00:44.199
<v Speaker 2>They gotten biometrics off of it, all these things, and

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<v Speaker 2>when the time came they decided to pull the trigger.

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<v Speaker 2>Only has a lot of people were killed, three thousand

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<v Speaker 2>of them. It was tiny. It's like the pages all

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<v Speaker 2>that big. Yeah, and there's all kinds of videos. For

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02:00:57.960 --> 02:01:00.119
<v Speaker 2>years they were just collecting data and then finally they're like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, fuck them, just fuck them. And there's

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02:01:04.680 --> 02:01:07.000
<v Speaker 2>videos of like this dude was at a store and

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02:01:07.119 --> 02:01:09.199
<v Speaker 2>like was shopping and you see something in his pocket

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02:01:09.279 --> 02:01:11.479
<v Speaker 2>just by oh, and he goes down and it's like

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02:01:12.279 --> 02:01:14.319
<v Speaker 2>oh shit. And they were like yeah, they were waiting

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<v Speaker 2>on it. Come to find out, the pagers were made

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<v Speaker 2>from two different companies. One of them was based in Asia,

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02:01:20.079 --> 02:01:23.039
<v Speaker 2>one of them was based in Europe. Like the battery

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<v Speaker 2>was made here, the pagers made here, both of which

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<v Speaker 2>were owned by Israel. It was top tier level espionage

2312
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<v Speaker 2>and spy where it was phenomenal. But my point is

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<v Speaker 2>this was like a kinetic attack that took years of

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<v Speaker 2>doing all the things, all the stuff, and it was

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<v Speaker 2>too Iran. This was a cyber attack to their nuclear capabilities, which,

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<v Speaker 2>like you're.

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<v Speaker 1>Saying, like the Pager situation, I would say was a.

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<v Speaker 2>Overwhelming victory for Israel, like just by the math, top

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<v Speaker 2>to bottom, excellent execution, overwhelming success, no collateral damage that

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02:01:59.600 --> 02:02:02.279
<v Speaker 2>I know anyway, No civilian was injured as a result

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<v Speaker 2>of or anything like that. So like top tier, top

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02:02:05.680 --> 02:02:09.000
<v Speaker 2>tiers things they went on there Mussad. Now that being said,

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02:02:10.760 --> 02:02:12.800
<v Speaker 2>when it came to this, yeah, only a fifth of

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02:02:12.800 --> 02:02:16.560
<v Speaker 2>the centrifugles were actually shut down, and that did postpone

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<v Speaker 2>it because then they had to start the process of

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<v Speaker 2>because they didn't immediately know like oh man, a fifth

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02:02:20.640 --> 02:02:23.119
<v Speaker 2>umber down and then like two days later it was

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<v Speaker 2>Israel on the Americans, like it took them forever to

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<v Speaker 2>figure out, like Okay, did we build something wrong? Did

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<v Speaker 2>our computers get programmed?

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<v Speaker 1>Is this is it? It's only that old boy that

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<v Speaker 1>released it is what got them caught because other companies,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think he was killed.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he was killed by US or Mussad could

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02:02:41.560 --> 02:02:45.079
<v Speaker 2>tie up a loose in oh yeah, yeah, they they

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02:02:45.119 --> 02:02:47.039
<v Speaker 2>didn't even understand that he was the guy that.

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<v Speaker 1>Did it until years later.

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<v Speaker 2>So only after it hit the internet in like twenty

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02:02:52.720 --> 02:02:56.840
<v Speaker 2>twelve time frame did we actually be like, Okay, are bad?

2340
02:02:57.640 --> 02:03:00.359
<v Speaker 1>Am I bad? The thing the thing that may or

2341
02:03:00.399 --> 02:03:03.399
<v Speaker 1>may not have done unbroken necks just happened to be

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<v Speaker 1>on the road.

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02:03:04.119 --> 02:03:06.560
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, no, I'm talking about the virus. The virus, think

2344
02:03:06.600 --> 02:03:10.439
<v Speaker 2>about Eric whatever accents every day people, I.

2345
02:03:10.439 --> 02:03:11.800
<v Speaker 1>Thought you switched to Eric, and I was like, what

2346
02:03:11.880 --> 02:03:14.279
<v Speaker 1>about Eric? No, no, I think I think Eric was

2347
02:03:14.399 --> 02:03:16.279
<v Speaker 1>the virus. I mean, they're not going to be like,

2348
02:03:16.880 --> 02:03:19.079
<v Speaker 1>they're not going to admit fully to that. They're just

2349
02:03:19.079 --> 02:03:22.640
<v Speaker 1>gonna be like, was it.

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02:03:22.600 --> 02:03:24.720
<v Speaker 2>Or was this one of those hacker groups like Q

2351
02:03:25.680 --> 02:03:29.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah it was Israel. You see what I'm saying, it's

2352
02:03:29.279 --> 02:03:32.119
<v Speaker 2>it's crazy. And then the fact that a Russian power

2353
02:03:32.159 --> 02:03:36.800
<v Speaker 2>plant also had issues with it, Indonesia, Pakistan, all these

2354
02:03:36.840 --> 02:03:40.960
<v Speaker 2>places where it's like, Okay, the thing that we may

2355
02:03:41.039 --> 02:03:43.560
<v Speaker 2>or may not have done, which I'm not saying we did,

2356
02:03:44.760 --> 02:03:49.079
<v Speaker 2>are bad, but also probably wasn't even us.

2357
02:03:49.319 --> 02:03:49.880
<v Speaker 1>What was it?

2358
02:03:49.920 --> 02:03:51.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't even know where I was that day that

2359
02:03:51.600 --> 02:03:52.239
<v Speaker 2>you're talking about.

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02:03:52.239 --> 02:03:53.760
<v Speaker 1>What was right?

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02:03:53.840 --> 02:03:53.960
<v Speaker 3>Right?

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02:03:54.000 --> 02:03:54.600
<v Speaker 1>Right? Noes?

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02:03:55.600 --> 02:03:57.960
<v Speaker 2>And then Siemens was able to like, Okay, we can

2364
02:03:58.000 --> 02:03:59.920
<v Speaker 2>fix this if you find something that you think is

2365
02:04:00.600 --> 02:04:04.239
<v Speaker 2>being crazy and you think it stuck's net, call customer

2366
02:04:04.279 --> 02:04:06.720
<v Speaker 2>support and we can like tell you how to program

2367
02:04:06.720 --> 02:04:09.159
<v Speaker 2>it to box that out, or we can send you

2368
02:04:09.199 --> 02:04:11.279
<v Speaker 2>a new component that doesn't have that ability. So like,

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02:04:11.319 --> 02:04:16.439
<v Speaker 2>either way it goes. It's handled now allegedly. But for

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02:04:16.600 --> 02:04:19.000
<v Speaker 2>the time frame that it was in and for the

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02:04:19.119 --> 02:04:24.119
<v Speaker 2>level of cyber warfare that this was actually able to complete, yeah,

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02:04:24.159 --> 02:04:26.319
<v Speaker 2>I would say that it was a success. Maybe not

2373
02:04:26.359 --> 02:04:29.279
<v Speaker 2>an overwhelming victory, but I would at least put it

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02:04:29.319 --> 02:04:30.199
<v Speaker 2>as a lowercase W.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree.

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02:04:32.039 --> 02:04:34.840
<v Speaker 2>Unfortunately, all did was kicked the can down the road

2377
02:04:34.840 --> 02:04:37.239
<v Speaker 2>a couple of decades, and Iran, as soon as they

2378
02:04:37.239 --> 02:04:39.800
<v Speaker 2>figured it out and got their centrifugals back up and running,

2379
02:04:40.239 --> 02:04:41.439
<v Speaker 2>started to refine it.

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02:04:41.359 --> 02:04:43.520
<v Speaker 1>Even more, which is why we bombed.

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02:04:43.279 --> 02:04:44.960
<v Speaker 2>The fuck out of them last year, which is why

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02:04:44.960 --> 02:04:45.359
<v Speaker 2>we are.

2383
02:04:45.279 --> 02:04:47.159
<v Speaker 1>Currently bombing the fuck out of them.

2384
02:04:47.239 --> 02:04:54.119
<v Speaker 2>So Operation Olympic Games. Small victory, overwhelming though grand scheme

2385
02:04:54.159 --> 02:04:58.439
<v Speaker 2>of shit, not a victory, not at all. And it

2386
02:04:58.520 --> 02:05:02.279
<v Speaker 2>was brought up again by wiki leaks and by Edward Snowden.

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02:05:03.319 --> 02:05:05.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I find that to be really interesting.

2388
02:05:05.239 --> 02:05:07.920
<v Speaker 2>Who is still in Russia in hiding right now? Like

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02:05:07.960 --> 02:05:11.000
<v Speaker 2>he'll give interviews. He'll go on like a zoom call

2390
02:05:11.079 --> 02:05:14.199
<v Speaker 2>with people to like talk about things, but he.

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02:05:14.359 --> 02:05:17.399
<v Speaker 1>Knows how do we reach him? Dude? If Snowden would

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02:05:17.399 --> 02:05:20.119
<v Speaker 1>come on the show, my god, oh my god, that

2393
02:05:20.119 --> 02:05:21.239
<v Speaker 1>would be phenomena.

2394
02:05:21.680 --> 02:05:25.439
<v Speaker 2>But no, snow White is uh he's living low in

2395
02:05:25.520 --> 02:05:27.359
<v Speaker 2>Moscow right now. Actually, I'm not sure if he's in

2396
02:05:27.399 --> 02:05:30.960
<v Speaker 2>Moscow anymore. I think he was. He defected because he

2397
02:05:31.000 --> 02:05:32.399
<v Speaker 2>knew that they would find him and killed.

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<v Speaker 1>We happened to know somebody that spent twenty plus years there.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe, dude, do you think the Good Doctor would put

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02:05:39.319 --> 02:05:40.680
<v Speaker 2>us in I don't know if they like ran in

2401
02:05:40.720 --> 02:05:42.600
<v Speaker 2>similar circles, but maybe.

2402
02:05:42.479 --> 02:05:46.159
<v Speaker 1>Maybe the Doctor knows she knew a lot of people.

2403
02:05:46.399 --> 02:05:48.039
<v Speaker 1>She knows a lot of people that.

2404
02:05:48.000 --> 02:05:49.800
<v Speaker 2>Would be fucking wild, which I can't wait to get

2405
02:05:49.800 --> 02:05:52.319
<v Speaker 2>her back on the show with the other survivors.

2406
02:05:52.560 --> 02:05:54.199
<v Speaker 1>Oh, it's gonna be a play. Yeah, it's gonna be great.

2407
02:05:54.199 --> 02:05:56.479
<v Speaker 1>Everyone's gonna have to listen to that episode and share

2408
02:05:56.520 --> 02:05:59.399
<v Speaker 1>out because it's gonna be It's gonna be multiple survivors,

2409
02:06:00.039 --> 02:06:01.079
<v Speaker 1>altar programming.

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02:06:01.359 --> 02:06:04.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and the sex magic and all the rings that

2411
02:06:04.319 --> 02:06:06.600
<v Speaker 2>rolled in and the human trafficking is gonna be wild.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's gonna be a wild time. But yeah.

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02:06:07.920 --> 02:06:11.720
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, when this with this conversation with the Stuck's

2414
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<v Speaker 2>net and the operational Olympic Games, I would say that

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02:06:15.000 --> 02:06:19.479
<v Speaker 2>this is highly conspiratorial and in the grand scheme of

2416
02:06:19.520 --> 02:06:24.279
<v Speaker 2>shit didn't actually equate too much like all the time, lass, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Feel like it actually is the reason why cyber warfare

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02:06:27.640 --> 02:06:31.560
<v Speaker 1>is like the true enemy. I think they they that

2419
02:06:31.600 --> 02:06:34.600
<v Speaker 1>we played our hand and we played it effectively in

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<v Speaker 1>a sense, at least in one part of it. That

2421
02:06:37.159 --> 02:06:41.479
<v Speaker 1>this kick started cyber warfare for everybody. Yeah, like look

2422
02:06:41.479 --> 02:06:44.199
<v Speaker 1>at what you guys said, and we're able to accomplish.

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02:06:43.760 --> 02:06:47.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which is crazy that it's like it's kinetic cyber warfare.

2424
02:06:47.960 --> 02:06:50.960
<v Speaker 2>I think it's physical, but it's also being done cyberly,

2425
02:06:51.039 --> 02:06:52.399
<v Speaker 2>and it's like, huh.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that this was the door that opened for

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<v Speaker 1>everything else that has now led us to hear Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I would have to agree, honestly, which is why the

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02:07:03.840 --> 02:07:06.920
<v Speaker 2>hacker space is so terrifying to me.

2430
02:07:07.439 --> 02:07:09.520
<v Speaker 1>It is they can do so much.

2431
02:07:09.479 --> 02:07:11.760
<v Speaker 2>And knowing that they can create a program like this

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02:07:11.880 --> 02:07:14.880
<v Speaker 2>and yes it took some doing four or five zero

2433
02:07:15.000 --> 02:07:16.880
<v Speaker 2>days and all these things like yeah, yeah, sure.

2434
02:07:17.439 --> 02:07:20.800
<v Speaker 1>But that's not impossible. It can be done, especially by

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02:07:20.840 --> 02:07:21.640
<v Speaker 1>a small group of.

2436
02:07:21.600 --> 02:07:25.159
<v Speaker 2>Highly motivated, highly trained individuals that know exactly what to do,

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02:07:25.840 --> 02:07:27.600
<v Speaker 2>which is why I think they're trying to create cyber

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02:07:27.640 --> 02:07:31.399
<v Speaker 2>Force specifically for this. Hell, you could we could probably

2439
02:07:31.520 --> 02:07:35.760
<v Speaker 2>argue that Stucksnet might be the origin arc. It is

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<v Speaker 2>of what we would now call the beginnings of the

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02:07:38.600 --> 02:07:39.239
<v Speaker 2>cyber Force.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, one hundred percent believe that. But also it makes

2443
02:07:43.039 --> 02:07:46.520
<v Speaker 1>me think of oh, damn, I can see them in mind,

2444
02:07:47.520 --> 02:07:51.880
<v Speaker 1>the bugs, the Starship Trooper, No, the program, the thing

2445
02:07:51.920 --> 02:07:55.079
<v Speaker 1>that we talked about, the whole They had to play

2446
02:07:55.159 --> 02:07:57.520
<v Speaker 1>the games to see how far they could advance, and

2447
02:07:57.520 --> 02:07:58.840
<v Speaker 1>then it all of a sudden disappeared.

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02:07:59.760 --> 02:08:02.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh oh, you're talking about Cicada.

2449
02:08:02.119 --> 02:08:04.800
<v Speaker 1>Thank you. Yeah, I can see him in my mind,

2450
02:08:04.840 --> 02:08:06.439
<v Speaker 1>and I can see the name. But I was like, damn,

2451
02:08:06.479 --> 02:08:07.960
<v Speaker 1>I cannot think of what it is. That was a

2452
02:08:07.960 --> 02:08:10.520
<v Speaker 1>fun episode, it was, But I was sitting here while

2453
02:08:10.520 --> 02:08:12.600
<v Speaker 1>you're talking about this, I was like, what if these

2454
02:08:12.640 --> 02:08:17.479
<v Speaker 1>were the Cicada people. Wasn't that before or during that time? Yeah?

2455
02:08:17.600 --> 02:08:19.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean, who knows, this might have been. This might

2456
02:08:19.680 --> 02:08:22.319
<v Speaker 2>have been what Cicicada was about to try to find

2457
02:08:22.479 --> 02:08:26.319
<v Speaker 2>people that career work for them to create stucks net

2458
02:08:26.439 --> 02:08:29.239
<v Speaker 2>and other variants of it. And that's the thing. This

2459
02:08:29.279 --> 02:08:31.840
<v Speaker 2>is just what we know about. There is way more

2460
02:08:31.880 --> 02:08:35.920
<v Speaker 2>out there stucks nets and the fast sixteens and whatever else,

2461
02:08:36.359 --> 02:08:37.439
<v Speaker 2>things that you've never.

2462
02:08:37.279 --> 02:08:41.199
<v Speaker 1>Fucking heard of that are waiting right now. They're laying

2463
02:08:41.199 --> 02:08:43.680
<v Speaker 1>in wait. Okay, it was a takeout part, so it wasn't.

2464
02:08:43.840 --> 02:08:46.279
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't. It was afterwards though, Well you're it was

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02:08:46.319 --> 02:08:48.560
<v Speaker 1>twenty twelve to twenty fourteen.

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02:08:48.800 --> 02:08:52.199
<v Speaker 2>So when this allegedly got shut down, Cicada started.

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02:08:52.359 --> 02:08:59.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, ooh, spicy, Spicy just saying, man, I have to

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02:08:59.159 --> 02:09:00.000
<v Speaker 1>agree with you.

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02:09:00.079 --> 02:09:02.840
<v Speaker 2>There is I'm not saying it's confirmed. I'm saying there's

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02:09:02.920 --> 02:09:08.399
<v Speaker 2>a real, real think I think of Cicada every day.

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02:09:08.479 --> 02:09:10.239
<v Speaker 1>I think it Cickada all the time.

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02:09:11.159 --> 02:09:13.760
<v Speaker 2>I don't know why. Like so men think about either

2473
02:09:13.800 --> 02:09:15.920
<v Speaker 2>World War two or Rome at least once a day,

2474
02:09:16.000 --> 02:09:19.039
<v Speaker 2>think you think of Cicada at least Cada a.

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02:09:18.960 --> 02:09:22.560
<v Speaker 1>Lot, because it like it bothers me, Like it bothers

2476
02:09:22.600 --> 02:09:25.199
<v Speaker 1>me because I'm like, there's not they don't just do this.

2477
02:09:25.880 --> 02:09:28.279
<v Speaker 1>And well, I guess maybe because the show that I

2478
02:09:28.319 --> 02:09:30.079
<v Speaker 1>watched a year or two ago and I'll have to

2479
02:09:30.279 --> 02:09:34.680
<v Speaker 1>have you watch this show. It's basically Cicada. It literally

2480
02:09:35.359 --> 02:09:37.279
<v Speaker 1>it is on It's on Netflix. I'm gonna have to

2481
02:09:37.319 --> 02:09:39.279
<v Speaker 1>really find it because I can't think of the name.

2482
02:09:39.600 --> 02:09:43.079
<v Speaker 1>But long story short, when you talked about that show

2483
02:09:43.279 --> 02:09:45.960
<v Speaker 1>or that that whole situation, all I could think about

2484
02:09:46.039 --> 02:09:49.399
<v Speaker 1>was this show and how it actually pertains to So

2485
02:09:49.600 --> 02:09:53.199
<v Speaker 1>may the conspiracies of our world are actually in this show?

2486
02:09:53.600 --> 02:09:57.119
<v Speaker 1>And they explain it with basically aliens. I'm gonna sum

2487
02:09:57.119 --> 02:09:58.560
<v Speaker 1>it up. I'm not gonna give it away, and I'm

2488
02:09:58.560 --> 02:10:02.159
<v Speaker 1>not gonna talk like tell everything spoiler alert no, but

2489
02:10:02.239 --> 02:10:05.199
<v Speaker 1>like it's it's not gonna spoil it. But that for

2490
02:10:05.239 --> 02:10:07.119
<v Speaker 1>some reason it bothers me because I'm like, you know,

2491
02:10:07.359 --> 02:10:10.239
<v Speaker 1>this is just it makes sense to me, Like obviously

2492
02:10:10.279 --> 02:10:13.119
<v Speaker 1>they were having trouble finding this and they were struggling.

2493
02:10:13.520 --> 02:10:18.520
<v Speaker 1>Why not host a game basically to get the job interview. Yeah,

2494
02:10:18.600 --> 02:10:21.560
<v Speaker 1>get the highest hackers you can to figure this out.

2495
02:10:21.600 --> 02:10:23.720
<v Speaker 1>What if it was running rampant? What if it was

2496
02:10:23.760 --> 02:10:25.760
<v Speaker 1>still running rampant to the point where they couldn't shut

2497
02:10:25.800 --> 02:10:28.119
<v Speaker 1>it down and the people that built it couldn't stop it,

2498
02:10:28.239 --> 02:10:30.680
<v Speaker 1>so they had to find more people that were more advanced.

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02:10:30.760 --> 02:10:33.920
<v Speaker 2>The Equation Group and the Shadow Brokers are the ones

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02:10:33.960 --> 02:10:37.720
<v Speaker 2>that were actually making the Cicada game. And if you

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02:10:37.760 --> 02:10:40.039
<v Speaker 2>were smart enough and had the technical know how and

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02:10:40.079 --> 02:10:41.279
<v Speaker 2>could think outside.

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02:10:40.960 --> 02:10:43.720
<v Speaker 1>The box, yeah, there are enough ways, and.

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02:10:43.680 --> 02:10:45.880
<v Speaker 2>You got to the end, you got to knock on

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02:10:45.960 --> 02:10:47.880
<v Speaker 2>the door essentially, because if you've got to that level,

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02:10:47.880 --> 02:10:48.600
<v Speaker 2>they knew where you live.

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02:10:48.680 --> 02:10:51.239
<v Speaker 1>Dude, they know everything. They knew everything's allot the NSA.

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02:10:51.319 --> 02:10:53.520
<v Speaker 2>They're spying on us right as we're recording this a

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02:10:53.600 --> 02:10:55.960
<v Speaker 2>little let me say the green dot. Yeah, the green

2510
02:10:56.000 --> 02:10:57.880
<v Speaker 2>dot is on my computer. They're watching me right now,

2511
02:10:58.239 --> 02:10:59.720
<v Speaker 2>like being honest here, so like.

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02:11:00.119 --> 02:11:04.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for what it is, how are you not? Really?

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02:11:06.239 --> 02:11:07.520
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna send up before.

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02:11:07.880 --> 02:11:12.239
<v Speaker 2>Perfect timing, But to say that Stuck's Net or with

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02:11:12.319 --> 02:11:15.760
<v Speaker 2>these other things were possibly the predecessors for the Cicada

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02:11:15.840 --> 02:11:18.439
<v Speaker 2>game and that the Shadow Brokers were the ones behind

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02:11:18.479 --> 02:11:20.359
<v Speaker 2>it the entire time, Why the fuck not?

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02:11:21.159 --> 02:11:24.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like, I trust me. I think about it all

2519
02:11:24.159 --> 02:11:25.920
<v Speaker 1>the time and what it could be attached to. Like,

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02:11:26.399 --> 02:11:28.119
<v Speaker 1>you don't understand how much I think about this because

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02:11:28.119 --> 02:11:30.720
<v Speaker 1>I think about Peter Thiel all the programs that he

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02:11:30.840 --> 02:11:32.520
<v Speaker 1>is involved in, and then I think about all the

2523
02:11:32.560 --> 02:11:35.319
<v Speaker 1>stuff that I read with Epstein and like all the

2524
02:11:35.439 --> 02:11:39.119
<v Speaker 1>scientists and all the it wasn't because it wasn't just scientists,

2525
02:11:39.159 --> 02:11:43.640
<v Speaker 1>so he was super deep into all the computer stuff,

2526
02:11:43.720 --> 02:11:46.720
<v Speaker 1>all the hacking, the biohacking, all this stuff that like

2527
02:11:46.840 --> 02:11:51.199
<v Speaker 1>intermixed with transhumanism, all of this stuff. I'm like, the

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02:11:51.279 --> 02:11:53.680
<v Speaker 1>more I think about it, the more I'm like, there's

2529
02:11:53.720 --> 02:11:57.760
<v Speaker 1>something about that in particular, and the imagery and the

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02:11:57.840 --> 02:12:00.560
<v Speaker 1>way that it was listed out. And then I'm not

2531
02:12:00.600 --> 02:12:02.439
<v Speaker 1>gonna just got Brant and rave, but I will say

2532
02:12:02.479 --> 02:12:04.199
<v Speaker 1>that I think about it quite often because I'm like,

2533
02:12:04.319 --> 02:12:06.199
<v Speaker 1>it really if you think about it and you break

2534
02:12:06.279 --> 02:12:10.000
<v Speaker 1>it down, it's like it's the It's like it's the

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02:12:11.239 --> 02:12:14.159
<v Speaker 1>oracle for the matrix. That's what it reminds me of.

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02:12:14.319 --> 02:12:15.560
<v Speaker 1>It reminds me of the oracle.

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02:12:16.119 --> 02:12:19.319
<v Speaker 2>And also, keep in mind, Stucksnid had to be physically

2538
02:12:19.600 --> 02:12:23.960
<v Speaker 2>implanted into that system. I would wager if I was

2539
02:12:24.000 --> 02:12:26.199
<v Speaker 2>a betting man, which I'll know I don't do because

2540
02:12:26.199 --> 02:12:28.359
<v Speaker 2>I'm so notoriously bad at it when money's on the line,

2541
02:12:28.439 --> 02:12:31.720
<v Speaker 2>But if I was a betting man, I would wager

2542
02:12:31.800 --> 02:12:34.479
<v Speaker 2>that they've gotten more sophisticated with it. Oh yeah, And

2543
02:12:34.600 --> 02:12:37.159
<v Speaker 2>they don't have to have it plugged in via USB

2544
02:12:37.359 --> 02:12:39.960
<v Speaker 2>drive anymore. I would argue they could probably send it

2545
02:12:40.119 --> 02:12:46.039
<v Speaker 2>wirelessly because everything is wireless these days, everything is Bluetooth adaptable,

2546
02:12:46.119 --> 02:12:49.760
<v Speaker 2>Everything is smart these days, which even to that point

2547
02:12:49.840 --> 02:12:52.239
<v Speaker 2>in industry, I can't tell you how many times I

2548
02:12:52.279 --> 02:12:54.439
<v Speaker 2>would walk up to a device and my phone would

2549
02:12:54.479 --> 02:12:56.359
<v Speaker 2>give me a ping like do I want to connect to.

2550
02:12:56.359 --> 02:12:59.720
<v Speaker 1>Bluetooth to this pressure transmitter? And I'm like, for what?

2551
02:13:00.119 --> 02:13:04.159
<v Speaker 2>But siemens started being Bluetooth applicable to where you could

2552
02:13:04.159 --> 02:13:05.720
<v Speaker 2>bring a device into the field and link to it

2553
02:13:05.800 --> 02:13:08.960
<v Speaker 2>Bluetooth wise and make calibrations and do whatever else. Yeah,

2554
02:13:09.199 --> 02:13:13.199
<v Speaker 2>So if it's got that capability, it's got to be hackable.

2555
02:13:13.319 --> 02:13:15.680
<v Speaker 2>And we know that they can run programming to hack

2556
02:13:15.800 --> 02:13:19.600
<v Speaker 2>anything on their phones. So it's like, I trust me.

2557
02:13:19.680 --> 02:13:20.960
<v Speaker 1>The more I think about it, the more I'm like,

2558
02:13:21.039 --> 02:13:22.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm convinced it's the Oracle group.

2559
02:13:23.399 --> 02:13:25.840
<v Speaker 2>Indeed, indeed, I have to agree. I have to agree.

2560
02:13:25.880 --> 02:13:27.439
<v Speaker 2>And so you know what, good cult members, we want

2561
02:13:27.439 --> 02:13:29.319
<v Speaker 2>to hear what you think about this? What do you

2562
02:13:29.359 --> 02:13:33.600
<v Speaker 2>think about stucksnet and this underground society of hackers that

2563
02:13:33.720 --> 02:13:36.520
<v Speaker 2>work for the United States government under the auspices of

2564
02:13:36.560 --> 02:13:42.399
<v Speaker 2>the n essay to create kinetic cyber warfare, and do

2565
02:13:42.520 --> 02:13:45.439
<v Speaker 2>you think it's still going on today? What companies do

2566
02:13:45.439 --> 02:13:47.680
<v Speaker 2>you think are involved with this? What groups do you

2567
02:13:47.720 --> 02:13:50.359
<v Speaker 2>think are involved with this? What do you think Biden

2568
02:13:50.439 --> 02:13:52.279
<v Speaker 2>did with this? What do you think Trump has done

2569
02:13:52.319 --> 02:13:55.640
<v Speaker 2>with this currently with the Iran situation? But before we

2570
02:13:55.720 --> 02:13:56.239
<v Speaker 2>wrap up.

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<v Speaker 2>want to hear what you think about this conversation about

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<v Speaker 2>potential listeners who could then become potential cult members. Are

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<v Speaker 2>there to you, Fine ladies and gentlemen, Why are you

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<v Speaker 2>As well, and we thank you for everybody's already gone

2621
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<v Speaker 2>done so. With all of this being said, this was

2622
02:15:58.760 --> 02:16:02.680
<v Speaker 2>another beautiful episode of the Cult of Conspiracy and I

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<v Speaker 2>am the Cage to Night. And there's one very important, sting,

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<v Speaker 2>final piece of information needs learn just as soon as

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<v Speaker 2>humanly possible, that