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So 12 00:00:46.159 --> 00:00:49.880 whatever it is, soup it with Avonmore. 13 00:00:52.119 --> 00:00:55.799 Meaning life. Man, I like this man letting butterfly Latin 14 00:00:55.840 --> 00:00:58.119 in wave big then in force. Man, you gonna cause 15 00:00:58.159 --> 00:01:02.079 a threefold letting fat a mild away man, Nobody see 16 00:01:02.200 --> 00:01:12.120 nobody see you know need knowing man story and you 17 00:01:12.159 --> 00:01:16.480 got back to protect that. Go back to Dagon panel. 18 00:01:26.040 --> 00:01:28.760 All right, Cee Jangle, Welcome back to Jay Burdensto. How 19 00:01:28.799 --> 00:01:29.239 are you doing that? 20 00:01:29.719 --> 00:01:31.000 I'm doing good. Thanks for having me. 21 00:01:31.799 --> 00:01:33.799 Yeah, man, I'm glad to have you back. On glad 22 00:01:33.840 --> 00:01:37.840 to actually have a conversation face to face. So I 23 00:01:37.920 --> 00:01:41.599 figured this will be a more topical, more news related 24 00:01:41.680 --> 00:01:44.959 show than normal. But there are two big stories with 25 00:01:45.120 --> 00:01:49.120 a connecting line that I want to cover. The first, obviously, 26 00:01:49.439 --> 00:01:52.719 is now Abigail Spanberger is the governor of my home 27 00:01:52.719 --> 00:01:55.959 state of Virginia. And as the kids say, the Democrats 28 00:01:55.959 --> 00:01:58.280 are going hard in the paint right there, doing all 29 00:01:58.319 --> 00:02:01.239 the sort of things that we were assured moderate Democrats 30 00:02:01.319 --> 00:02:04.879 never do as regards to the Second Amendment, abortion of 31 00:02:05.200 --> 00:02:09.319 anti white discrimination. And that's one part of it. Another 32 00:02:09.400 --> 00:02:14.639 one is this anti Christian protest in Minneapolis. Right. There's 33 00:02:14.639 --> 00:02:17.039 a pastor, there's an official at the church who may 34 00:02:17.120 --> 00:02:19.719 or may not be connected to ICE, and so Don 35 00:02:19.800 --> 00:02:22.360 Lemon and a number of other you know, kind of 36 00:02:22.479 --> 00:02:27.319 radical left activists storm the church, right. And the through 37 00:02:27.360 --> 00:02:30.919 line is basically, this is what happens when you lose 38 00:02:31.520 --> 00:02:33.639 the idea that this is some sort of contest between 39 00:02:33.680 --> 00:02:37.840 gentlemen that the GOP can sync back into politics as 40 00:02:37.879 --> 00:02:42.759 it were, is plainly, completely and totally absurd, right, This 41 00:02:42.800 --> 00:02:45.680 is not how it works. So just a little bit 42 00:02:45.719 --> 00:02:48.240 of context there, because people do listen to these well 43 00:02:48.280 --> 00:02:50.400 after the fact, and so I wanted to provide sort 44 00:02:50.400 --> 00:02:53.560 of a primer there. But CJ, I'm curious, what are 45 00:02:53.599 --> 00:02:56.159 your thoughts on both of these incidents and what do 46 00:02:56.240 --> 00:02:57.960 you think that we should learn from them. 47 00:02:58.960 --> 00:03:02.639 Well, I think there's a couple of different layers here. One. 48 00:03:04.120 --> 00:03:07.759 I think that there's this tendency in politics to think 49 00:03:07.759 --> 00:03:11.039 that like, once we get through this little hurdle, these 50 00:03:11.039 --> 00:03:13.719 are very bad people, we can let them out and 51 00:03:13.759 --> 00:03:16.599 then things can go back to normal. And people don't 52 00:03:16.639 --> 00:03:19.280 understand that history has a tragic sense to it, and 53 00:03:20.240 --> 00:03:23.280 there are moments in history. I mean, as Lennon said, 54 00:03:23.280 --> 00:03:26.120 there are weeks where decades happened, and we're kind of 55 00:03:26.159 --> 00:03:30.000 in one of those historic world historic moments, and the 56 00:03:30.360 --> 00:03:33.400 stakes are so high that both sides kind of know 57 00:03:34.240 --> 00:03:36.759 that if they lose, the other side is going to 58 00:03:36.800 --> 00:03:38.879 take it all the way. The problem is is that 59 00:03:39.360 --> 00:03:42.719 the GOP classic GOP, going back a very long time, 60 00:03:42.759 --> 00:03:46.719 half a century or more, they've always approached the issue like, well, 61 00:03:46.759 --> 00:03:48.400 we're going to take the path, We're gonna take the 62 00:03:48.479 --> 00:03:50.159 high path, we're going to do the high road, and 63 00:03:50.280 --> 00:03:53.800 we're not going to do what is necessary to defeat 64 00:03:53.800 --> 00:03:56.719 the enemy. Because the Democrats are not our enemy. They're 65 00:03:56.719 --> 00:03:59.240 actually just on another side of the aisle. But we're 66 00:03:59.240 --> 00:04:01.639 all one people. That's kind of the way they approach it. 67 00:04:02.560 --> 00:04:06.439 Historic Democrats have generally, i mean, this isn't this hasn't 68 00:04:06.479 --> 00:04:08.599 always been the way that Democrats are. Right, So, like 69 00:04:08.960 --> 00:04:10.960 after the war, both sides were kind of right there 70 00:04:11.000 --> 00:04:13.360 in the middle. They were working hard to make sure 71 00:04:13.400 --> 00:04:17.439 that the radical factions to the GOP's right and to 72 00:04:17.519 --> 00:04:20.680 the Democrats left never really got into power. So we 73 00:04:20.759 --> 00:04:22.879 talk about things like you know, Bill Buckley, and his 74 00:04:23.000 --> 00:04:25.279 role was to sort of make sure that those on 75 00:04:25.319 --> 00:04:28.319 the extreme fringes of the right didn't actually have any 76 00:04:28.319 --> 00:04:31.839 influence on the conservative movement. So he did his job 77 00:04:31.959 --> 00:04:34.399 very well. Actually, you know, people call him a failure, 78 00:04:34.680 --> 00:04:36.839 but actually his job was to keep the extreme right 79 00:04:36.959 --> 00:04:41.959 from accessing, you know, the organs of narrative formation and 80 00:04:42.079 --> 00:04:45.160 of political power itself, and he was very successful, and 81 00:04:45.199 --> 00:04:48.319 in fact, he was more successful than the Democrats were. 82 00:04:48.600 --> 00:04:51.120 They had their own people that were there to keep 83 00:04:51.160 --> 00:04:54.439 the radical left out and they failed. So Buckley actually 84 00:04:54.439 --> 00:04:57.279 did better. And so all of this what we see 85 00:04:57.279 --> 00:04:59.839 now is the Democrats have been much more infiltrated by 86 00:04:59.879 --> 00:05:03.120 the their own radicals, whereas the GOP hasn't actually been 87 00:05:03.160 --> 00:05:06.240 infiltrated very well at all with right wing radicals. They've 88 00:05:06.240 --> 00:05:09.519 actually the GOP establishment has done a much better job 89 00:05:09.560 --> 00:05:12.439 at holding the fort down and staying true to their 90 00:05:12.680 --> 00:05:16.319 liberal ideals. The problem is that now we're in a 91 00:05:16.360 --> 00:05:19.560 situation where we have these the conservative side of the 92 00:05:19.560 --> 00:05:24.759 post war consensus is going to war with an increasingly 93 00:05:24.839 --> 00:05:28.800 radicalized left, and the radicalized left wants blood, and the 94 00:05:28.839 --> 00:05:32.279 conservative post war establishment wants to return to the nineteen 95 00:05:32.279 --> 00:05:37.319 seventies and nineteen eighties, and in that fight, it's obvious 96 00:05:37.360 --> 00:05:39.600 who's going to win. What you see in Virginia is 97 00:05:39.600 --> 00:05:41.959 the fruition of that these people are ready for blood, 98 00:05:42.240 --> 00:05:45.879 and the GOP still doesn't get it. And so what 99 00:05:46.279 --> 00:05:50.079 you're seeing is this realization among the Democrats that the 100 00:05:50.079 --> 00:05:55.160 American people are pissed off. They are done with democracy, 101 00:05:55.519 --> 00:05:59.600 they are done with constitutional principles which have always been 102 00:05:59.759 --> 00:06:03.360 you against them, always been used against initiatives that can 103 00:06:03.439 --> 00:06:06.319 be leveraged in order to take back their country, take 104 00:06:06.360 --> 00:06:09.319 back their heritage, and so they're done with it. They're like, look, 105 00:06:09.360 --> 00:06:11.360 if we're gonna lose any ways, if we're gonna lose 106 00:06:11.360 --> 00:06:13.879 our country anyways, we might as well go all the way. 107 00:06:14.160 --> 00:06:16.240 The problem is is that all of the people in 108 00:06:16.360 --> 00:06:20.680 power that nominally represent them, they do not see things 109 00:06:20.680 --> 00:06:22.199 that way at all. And so that's what's happening. The 110 00:06:22.199 --> 00:06:25.040 Democrats understand that the stakes are so high. The American 111 00:06:25.079 --> 00:06:29.360 people want blood, and they know that if this younger generation, 112 00:06:29.680 --> 00:06:31.560 you know, twenties and thirty year old, if they get 113 00:06:31.759 --> 00:06:34.959 any any if they get any closer to power, their 114 00:06:35.040 --> 00:06:38.000 days are numbered. And the you know, their their liberal 115 00:06:38.279 --> 00:06:41.199 hegemony is days are numbered as well, and so that's 116 00:06:41.240 --> 00:06:43.480 part of the problem. They have to make sure that, 117 00:06:44.279 --> 00:06:46.560 you know, can right wingers never get close to power, 118 00:06:46.600 --> 00:06:48.639 and that's what they're prepared to do, and they don't. 119 00:06:48.680 --> 00:06:50.920 They're not really going to face any opposition because, as 120 00:06:50.959 --> 00:06:56.199 you said, especially state level geopeers are incredibly pathetic, and 121 00:06:56.240 --> 00:06:59.439 so they're not prepared to do anything. And so, you know, 122 00:06:59.519 --> 00:07:02.360 just kind of casting out what would happen if the 123 00:07:02.439 --> 00:07:06.279 reply and look, I'm not a Republican advocate or partisan, 124 00:07:06.439 --> 00:07:09.319 like I don't really care that much for the GOP. However, 125 00:07:10.399 --> 00:07:12.680 you know, a GOP winning in twenty six and twenty 126 00:07:12.720 --> 00:07:15.480 eight continues to buy us time, and that's what we 127 00:07:15.519 --> 00:07:18.720 need is time to organize, time to form the ranks, 128 00:07:18.959 --> 00:07:21.800 time to build up the courage to actually fight back, 129 00:07:21.879 --> 00:07:25.360 because the present establishment, the old guard that still exists 130 00:07:25.399 --> 00:07:29.680 in Washington and the Conservative movement is completely unprepared for 131 00:07:29.720 --> 00:07:31.439 what's coming down the pipeline. So when I say the 132 00:07:31.480 --> 00:07:33.680 GOP needs to win, it's not because I care all 133 00:07:33.680 --> 00:07:36.560 that much for the GOP. It's because I recognize the 134 00:07:36.600 --> 00:07:40.920 Democrats are much more radicalized than the GOP and just 135 00:07:41.040 --> 00:07:45.199 having the inability of power to kind of, you know, 136 00:07:46.240 --> 00:07:49.000 work in lockstep with itself in order to push us 137 00:07:49.040 --> 00:07:52.480 away and basically decimate us, that's what we need. We 138 00:07:52.560 --> 00:07:55.319 need that time, and the Democrats know that the Democrats 139 00:07:55.360 --> 00:07:57.399 do not want us to have that time, and so 140 00:07:57.519 --> 00:08:01.480 therefore they will do whatever it takes to get into power. 141 00:08:01.720 --> 00:08:03.959 And once they have that power, they will seek to 142 00:08:04.040 --> 00:08:06.839 crush their enemy for all time, which is the complete 143 00:08:06.959 --> 00:08:10.040 opposite perspective that the GOP has. 144 00:08:11.600 --> 00:08:15.600 Well, certainly, this reminds me of something that my friend 145 00:08:15.680 --> 00:08:18.680 Peter Brimolo said in his appearance on Tucker, which is 146 00:08:18.720 --> 00:08:21.399 quite good. If you haven't listened to it, listener, you should, 147 00:08:22.160 --> 00:08:24.720 because one of the things that he talks about is 148 00:08:24.720 --> 00:08:28.800 that there are these sort of implicit communities. When he 149 00:08:28.920 --> 00:08:31.480 used the example of NASCAR for example, he's like, no 150 00:08:31.519 --> 00:08:35.759 one at NASCAR wants to be a sport associated with 151 00:08:35.879 --> 00:08:39.600 the white working claves. They've tried to distance themselves from 152 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:42.600 that fan base, and yet nonetheless that is the association. 153 00:08:43.320 --> 00:08:49.080 And somewhat similarly, the GOP is the Party of Americans, right, 154 00:08:49.159 --> 00:08:51.759 people who are actually from here, who don't have anywhere 155 00:08:51.759 --> 00:08:56.279 else to go, who are religious. And so I share 156 00:08:56.320 --> 00:08:59.360 your feelings. I don't particularly like the party at all, really, 157 00:08:59.799 --> 00:09:03.440 but it's really the only game we got, at least, 158 00:09:03.639 --> 00:09:07.080 you know, as the state of play stands. And so 159 00:09:07.639 --> 00:09:11.840 when you see this sort of limpristed behavior, right, you 160 00:09:11.919 --> 00:09:15.679 see this sort of unwillingness to do something that would 161 00:09:15.679 --> 00:09:18.960 provoke any sort of negative reaction from your opponents, Well, 162 00:09:19.000 --> 00:09:21.759 we've seen where that goes. We see the consequences. Obviously. 163 00:09:21.799 --> 00:09:24.639 I had, you know, our mutual friend and a risk 164 00:09:24.679 --> 00:09:27.879 Aron not too long ago to discuss the broader situation 165 00:09:27.960 --> 00:09:30.399 in Minnesota, and that was a common note in his 166 00:09:30.519 --> 00:09:34.080 comments as well. The Minnesota GOP is by and large 167 00:09:34.279 --> 00:09:39.679 completely useless, right, unwilling to view politics as it is currently, 168 00:09:39.840 --> 00:09:43.519 which is sad to say, an existential struggle, right, I 169 00:09:43.519 --> 00:09:45.639 don't like that. I don't wish that were the case. 170 00:09:46.039 --> 00:09:49.200 But fundamentally pretending as if we are in this era 171 00:09:49.360 --> 00:09:52.480 of good feelings, obviously referring to a different era, but 172 00:09:52.519 --> 00:09:56.639 we'll keep it just as a conversation piece. It doesn't 173 00:09:56.639 --> 00:09:59.799 make it true, right, Just by pretending it doesn't make 174 00:09:59.799 --> 00:10:03.039 it happen. Conservatives are more than willing to point this 175 00:10:03.080 --> 00:10:06.440 out when it comes to transsexuals or others, and so 176 00:10:06.559 --> 00:10:10.080 to me, it's incredibly baffling, especially because as we've seen 177 00:10:10.120 --> 00:10:13.360 in Virginia, as we've seen in Minnesota, or even on 178 00:10:13.519 --> 00:10:17.879 places like Blue Sky, the consequences are quite clear. Your 179 00:10:18.080 --> 00:10:21.159 way of life will be made illegal, it will be 180 00:10:21.240 --> 00:10:24.279 impossible to live as you want to, or in the 181 00:10:24.320 --> 00:10:28.559 case of prominent politicians, you'll go to jail, or you'll 182 00:10:28.600 --> 00:10:31.600 go to the Hague. Right, they will ruin your life. 183 00:10:31.639 --> 00:10:34.200 We saw this happen, or at least a solid attempt 184 00:10:34.240 --> 00:10:37.600 at it, between the first and second Trump presidency, and 185 00:10:37.639 --> 00:10:43.120 so I'm curious you'd think, even just cynically, that these 186 00:10:43.159 --> 00:10:46.320 people would act out of self preservation. Why do you 187 00:10:46.399 --> 00:10:50.919 think that conservative leaders for whatever that term is construed 188 00:10:50.919 --> 00:10:55.799 to mean. Are not aware of this danger to them, 189 00:10:56.080 --> 00:10:56.840 if not to their. 190 00:10:56.799 --> 00:11:01.600 Voters, because they don't operate with you know, a classical 191 00:11:01.679 --> 00:11:06.000 political mind. They operate much more with a with with 192 00:11:06.000 --> 00:11:08.960 with like a series of narcissism where they can get 193 00:11:09.000 --> 00:11:12.639 payoffs and payouts and and and financial benefits. And it's 194 00:11:12.639 --> 00:11:15.039 basically like a big party to them. You know, it's 195 00:11:15.080 --> 00:11:17.679 all it's all a club. I mean, that's that's like 196 00:11:17.799 --> 00:11:22.960 classic like Republican donor level dynamics. Is it's all a 197 00:11:22.960 --> 00:11:25.159 big club where you can I mean, this is this 198 00:11:25.240 --> 00:11:27.720 is why all they care about is like business, because 199 00:11:28.399 --> 00:11:33.399 the GOP exists basically to represent uh economic interests, and 200 00:11:33.399 --> 00:11:35.399 so that's what they care about. They they're not thinking 201 00:11:35.399 --> 00:11:38.240 in terms of politics. Classical politics was which is the 202 00:11:38.279 --> 00:11:42.320 class a friend and enemy along existential lines. And so 203 00:11:42.440 --> 00:11:46.679 they they have been there. They're just so absorbed in 204 00:11:47.080 --> 00:11:52.440 the corruption of like a narcissistic style of capitalism or 205 00:11:52.440 --> 00:11:55.440 whatever you want to call it, that they've politics to 206 00:11:55.480 --> 00:11:58.360 them actually is something of the past. And so and 207 00:11:58.360 --> 00:12:01.399 so I would say that the Democrat have much better 208 00:12:01.639 --> 00:12:04.039 political minds. They're much more you know, for all of 209 00:12:04.080 --> 00:12:08.240 their ideals or whatever. They're much better at recognizing the realistic, 210 00:12:08.360 --> 00:12:13.120 the realism of politics. I'll say this too. You know, 211 00:12:13.200 --> 00:12:15.120 we talked like I see this all the time on 212 00:12:15.159 --> 00:12:17.000 Twitter and it drives me crazy. So I'm going to 213 00:12:17.159 --> 00:12:19.960 take the opportunity to to push back on it. But 214 00:12:20.039 --> 00:12:22.240 like I always see from the like the maga, the 215 00:12:22.279 --> 00:12:27.279 paid maggot influencers that like they'll show a picture of 216 00:12:27.720 --> 00:12:32.200 some like Islamic gathering in Dearborn or in Texas or 217 00:12:32.240 --> 00:12:35.519 in New York or other places like that, and they'll say, 218 00:12:35.559 --> 00:12:38.919 like it's over, It's Michigan is lost forever. You know, 219 00:12:38.960 --> 00:12:41.519 they've you know, they've they've won. It's it's lost. And 220 00:12:41.559 --> 00:12:44.039 like they keep saying these things. And now Virginia is 221 00:12:44.039 --> 00:12:46.840 going through these this own you know, series of of 222 00:12:46.879 --> 00:12:51.320 like really intense radical legal initiatives to show up their 223 00:12:51.320 --> 00:12:54.240 own power in Virginia, and so these same maggot influencers 224 00:12:54.240 --> 00:12:56.080 are saying Virginia's cooked, it's over. 225 00:12:56.440 --> 00:13:00.159 It's like at KFC, where are doing a deal on 226 00:13:00.240 --> 00:13:03.759 our mini Philates, ten Mini Phillips for just twelve year 227 00:13:03.799 --> 00:13:08.159 of fifty that's sure to fill you up, like I'm 228 00:13:08.240 --> 00:13:16.759 filling this time up. Just stretchchate ice, how'd your fill? Okay, 229 00:13:17.000 --> 00:13:20.159 I'll go, but make sure you have your philiphilates. Grab 230 00:13:20.200 --> 00:13:23.240 a book up before the dealers up on fabbe fultecencs 231 00:13:23.279 --> 00:13:26.559 at KFC dot ie okay, bye bye bye bye bye 232 00:13:26.559 --> 00:13:27.399 bye bye bye. 233 00:13:28.480 --> 00:13:31.679 They're they're they themselves, these MAGA influences are they're not 234 00:13:31.720 --> 00:13:35.960 thinking politically, they're thinking within the bounds of liberal democracy. 235 00:13:36.360 --> 00:13:42.039 And since these these places are basically utilizing soft power 236 00:13:42.360 --> 00:13:45.240 to shore up their own hegemony in all of these places, 237 00:13:46.440 --> 00:13:49.879 the MAGA influencers are still operating on a post war paradigm, 238 00:13:50.279 --> 00:13:53.720 and so they can't see that politics actually can return 239 00:13:53.840 --> 00:13:56.039 and you actually can defeat these things because these are 240 00:13:56.080 --> 00:14:02.720 actually incredibly weak people. What they're utilizing is increasingly depleted 241 00:14:03.360 --> 00:14:06.799 political structures, and so you can defeat them. You just 242 00:14:06.879 --> 00:14:10.679 can't defeat them within the paradigm of electoral democracy. And 243 00:14:10.720 --> 00:14:12.639 that's what people have to that's what the right wing 244 00:14:12.720 --> 00:14:16.960 has to understand. The problem is is that the radicalized 245 00:14:17.080 --> 00:14:21.879 right is so far to the right of the GOP 246 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:25.159 establishment that we have nobody willing to actually wield power 247 00:14:25.360 --> 00:14:28.759 in an effective way. But places like Virginia and Dearport 248 00:14:28.799 --> 00:14:31.960 and dearborn in Texas. They could be crushed by you know, 249 00:14:32.000 --> 00:14:34.559 by power overnight if they really wanted to. I mean, 250 00:14:34.720 --> 00:14:36.879 you see this all throughout the twentieth century in Europe 251 00:14:37.120 --> 00:14:41.440 in extraordinary situations. You know, power can do extraordinary things, 252 00:14:41.440 --> 00:14:43.639 and so we shouldn't We shouldn't approach it like it's 253 00:14:43.639 --> 00:14:45.919 lost forever. But what we need to realize is that 254 00:14:45.960 --> 00:14:49.200 politics is returning. Politics has returned that we need to 255 00:14:49.240 --> 00:14:53.360 operate on a friend enemy paradigm, and the GOP is 256 00:14:53.399 --> 00:14:57.080 basically like a temporary ally that we can use for 257 00:14:57.120 --> 00:14:59.879 our benefit, to buy us time to push our agenda, 258 00:15:00.080 --> 00:15:02.879 little bits here and there, But ultimately we have to 259 00:15:03.000 --> 00:15:04.320 we have to see this through and we have to 260 00:15:04.360 --> 00:15:07.600 put an end to this. You know, post war liberalism 261 00:15:07.759 --> 00:15:10.159 is killing us and it's not sustainable. 262 00:15:11.679 --> 00:15:16.600 Well CJ. That sounds very woke, right of you. How 263 00:15:16.679 --> 00:15:18.919 dare you look at the people who have won every 264 00:15:18.919 --> 00:15:23.279 major political conflict domestically in the last eight years and 265 00:15:23.320 --> 00:15:25.919 try to learn from that. You should be running the 266 00:15:25.960 --> 00:15:29.840 same playbook that the losers have. Of course, I'm slightly joking, 267 00:15:30.159 --> 00:15:35.080 of course, but what is your retort to those who say, 268 00:15:35.480 --> 00:15:39.559 you know, even worse than losing is becoming like the 269 00:15:39.759 --> 00:15:42.200 woke left. What do you say in response to that? 270 00:15:43.279 --> 00:15:46.200 I think American history is full of heroes who took 271 00:15:46.320 --> 00:15:49.879 extraordinary measures in extraordinary times. I mean, the entire American 272 00:15:49.879 --> 00:15:53.919 Revolution was illegal. It was completely against Like you're not 273 00:15:53.960 --> 00:15:57.039 allowed as a colony to you know, declare war on 274 00:15:57.320 --> 00:16:01.960 and rebel against the British Empire. That's that's against the law. Right, 275 00:16:02.039 --> 00:16:06.000 So like our own our own American spirit is full 276 00:16:06.039 --> 00:16:09.399 of heroes and people who declared the state of the exception. 277 00:16:09.679 --> 00:16:12.639 George Washington and all the other rebels declared the state 278 00:16:12.679 --> 00:16:17.159 of exception. Andrew Jackson basically did the same thing in 279 00:16:17.480 --> 00:16:20.080 numerous ways. And so like the idea that this is somehow, 280 00:16:20.159 --> 00:16:23.080 this like eternal law, that we have to adhere to 281 00:16:23.159 --> 00:16:27.360 these principles even when they've exploited against us, is something 282 00:16:27.840 --> 00:16:31.399 that I think is ridiculous and suicidal. But also I 283 00:16:31.440 --> 00:16:33.919 think if they want to claim that what we're doing 284 00:16:34.080 --> 00:16:37.480 is where we are, if by woke right they mean 285 00:16:37.639 --> 00:16:43.080 that we are challenging the established hegemony of liberal democracy, 286 00:16:43.360 --> 00:16:45.960 then okay, you can call me whatever you want. I 287 00:16:45.960 --> 00:16:48.240 don't It doesn't really bother me to be called I've 288 00:16:48.279 --> 00:16:50.440 been called worse names, right, Like, that's that's the answer, 289 00:16:50.519 --> 00:16:53.799 is we've been called worse names. I mean, Eisenhower deported 290 00:16:53.879 --> 00:16:57.159 you know, a million illegals, and in people today called 291 00:16:57.159 --> 00:17:00.320 Trump like literally Hitler for deporting what to hundred and 292 00:17:00.320 --> 00:17:03.720 fifty thousand people. So like, it doesn't these words can't 293 00:17:03.720 --> 00:17:06.200 affect us anymore if they want to call us woke, right, 294 00:17:06.319 --> 00:17:10.559 and all that means is that we've abandoned liberal democracy. Okay, 295 00:17:10.640 --> 00:17:13.279 that's fine, you know, so we can't get caught up 296 00:17:13.359 --> 00:17:16.839 in these in these labels that are are shot at 297 00:17:16.839 --> 00:17:20.680 as those that's loser think actually and loser think gets 298 00:17:20.720 --> 00:17:24.160 all caught up in perception. They care what the enemy 299 00:17:24.160 --> 00:17:25.960 thinks of them, and they want to be perceived as 300 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:28.480 better in the light of those who want them dead. 301 00:17:28.720 --> 00:17:32.039 And that's that's a recipe for political disaster and also 302 00:17:32.720 --> 00:17:35.400 you know, civilizational disaster. You know, not even just you know, 303 00:17:35.960 --> 00:17:40.839 political disaster in electoral terms, but also civilizational disaster. These 304 00:17:40.880 --> 00:17:44.200 people very clearly want our way of life liquidated, and 305 00:17:44.200 --> 00:17:45.759 they want to see us banish from the face of 306 00:17:45.799 --> 00:17:48.839 the earth. And that's the stake not looking. 307 00:17:48.599 --> 00:17:54.599 Bad well, and you see that very much with the 308 00:17:55.119 --> 00:17:59.400 inability of Republicans in power to make any meaningful changes. 309 00:18:01.079 --> 00:18:05.799 It was sort of telling, right. I think it was 310 00:18:05.960 --> 00:18:10.880 Youngkin's one of his last comments right the day before 311 00:18:10.880 --> 00:18:14.319 he transferred power was you know, what was your biggest 312 00:18:14.359 --> 00:18:17.039 regret in office? And he had this sort of globe 313 00:18:17.119 --> 00:18:19.160 comment like, oh, I'm sad we couldn't get the sports 314 00:18:19.240 --> 00:18:22.839 team a new stadium in my state of Virginia. And 315 00:18:23.279 --> 00:18:25.359 I thought it was very telling because it's like, well, look, man, 316 00:18:25.440 --> 00:18:29.640 like you came within two thousand votes of completely and 317 00:18:29.680 --> 00:18:32.880 totally carrying the state. It was very narrow. You could 318 00:18:32.880 --> 00:18:36.599 have had a trifecta. And okay, so that indicates that 319 00:18:36.720 --> 00:18:39.839 at least four years ago this was in play. I 320 00:18:39.920 --> 00:18:42.119 understand you have the whole Loud County scandal which was 321 00:18:42.160 --> 00:18:44.880 a part of that, But what did you do in 322 00:18:44.920 --> 00:18:47.880 your time and power? Okay, you made the DMV work better. 323 00:18:48.039 --> 00:18:53.000 I appreciate that, but there was really no desire to 324 00:18:53.079 --> 00:18:56.640 expand your power. There was no desire to make that 325 00:18:56.720 --> 00:19:01.680 state more like how your voters want to be. Everything 326 00:19:01.759 --> 00:19:05.759 was simply put on pause. We imported hundreds of thousands 327 00:19:05.839 --> 00:19:11.640 of new guests, if you will, and roundly defeated complete 328 00:19:11.640 --> 00:19:16.440 and total destruction and you see that, and a large 329 00:19:16.440 --> 00:19:19.000 part of it is because he did try to make 330 00:19:19.119 --> 00:19:21.720 very tepid reforms to education and a few other things. 331 00:19:22.240 --> 00:19:24.640 And as soon as he was yelled at, as soon 332 00:19:24.640 --> 00:19:26.400 as they said, oh you know, you're just like Trump, 333 00:19:26.440 --> 00:19:29.920 You're just like Orange Man. Oh nope, we're not doing 334 00:19:29.920 --> 00:19:32.880 that anymore. I need to go back to my big 335 00:19:32.920 --> 00:19:36.480 business corporate consulting job. That the one interest group that 336 00:19:36.559 --> 00:19:39.680 did quite well under him. And look, you know, I'm 337 00:19:39.720 --> 00:19:42.119 a little bit salty about this because my life is 338 00:19:42.319 --> 00:19:43.920 likely going to be not so much fun for the 339 00:19:43.960 --> 00:19:47.400 next little bit. And okay, fair enough, But that same 340 00:19:47.559 --> 00:19:50.960 pattern you see over and over again that very very 341 00:19:51.000 --> 00:19:55.400 few Republicans, the Indiana GOP is another example, are willing 342 00:19:55.480 --> 00:20:00.119 to play politics, are willing to recognize that this is 343 00:20:00.119 --> 00:20:05.200 is existential, as you've said, And so given that the 344 00:20:05.200 --> 00:20:09.200 frustration is understanding is understandable. Rather because you made a 345 00:20:09.240 --> 00:20:13.759 generational point, and it's one that I've identified as well. Obviously, 346 00:20:13.799 --> 00:20:16.440 you have the big ticket issues that are sort of 347 00:20:16.480 --> 00:20:20.960 signifiers of other things, you know, immigration, the state of Israel, 348 00:20:23.319 --> 00:20:26.839 racial representations, shall we say that, are you know, signifiers 349 00:20:26.839 --> 00:20:30.960 of a broader generational change. But to me, I'm genuinely 350 00:20:31.079 --> 00:20:37.079 curious what becomes of the red state Republican because they're 351 00:20:37.119 --> 00:20:39.440 older right there. There are not a lot of guys 352 00:20:39.480 --> 00:20:41.519 in there, you know, even in gen X who I 353 00:20:41.519 --> 00:20:43.880 would consider in that kind of classic you know, Indian 354 00:20:43.920 --> 00:20:48.599 a Republican mold. But from what I see, the base 355 00:20:48.680 --> 00:20:52.119 is incredibly radical. And you see this with I had 356 00:20:52.759 --> 00:20:55.799 Mark Mitchell from resmusin on not too long ago, and 357 00:20:55.839 --> 00:20:58.319 he was talking about this, that there's this shocking divide 358 00:20:58.319 --> 00:21:01.759 on Republicans or concern it is rather plus or minus forty, 359 00:21:02.200 --> 00:21:04.440 where the under forty crowd is basically as you said, 360 00:21:04.480 --> 00:21:07.000 they want to see blood. They don't really care how 361 00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:11.640 it happens, but they want you know, Judge Bosberg in particular, 362 00:21:11.680 --> 00:21:14.079 but you know you can extend that to other figures. 363 00:21:14.519 --> 00:21:16.920 They want his head on a metaphorical pike, like yeah, 364 00:21:17.000 --> 00:21:18.920 charge him, throw them in jail, whatever, We don't care. 365 00:21:19.720 --> 00:21:24.000 And I think that the goal of the Democrats, as 366 00:21:24.000 --> 00:21:27.400 far as I see it, is effectively to pull so 367 00:21:27.519 --> 00:21:30.440 many people into the country that politics doesn't exist anymore. 368 00:21:30.839 --> 00:21:34.359 They can become a one party state. And to me, 369 00:21:35.440 --> 00:21:39.079 I don't think there's really any getting away from politics. 370 00:21:39.599 --> 00:21:42.640 So I'm curious, you know, what do you see the 371 00:21:42.680 --> 00:21:45.880 future looking like, you know, if you have this increasing 372 00:21:46.000 --> 00:21:50.799 gap between the political class and you know, a radicalizing base, 373 00:21:50.880 --> 00:21:54.440 particularly of young white guys. 374 00:21:55.440 --> 00:22:01.079 Yeah, I am so. I've actually one theme that is 375 00:22:01.160 --> 00:22:06.599 constantly debated on the right is whether the solution is 376 00:22:06.640 --> 00:22:10.640 going to come from more regional initiatives where people kind 377 00:22:10.640 --> 00:22:13.480 of shore up their power and surround themselves with allied 378 00:22:14.079 --> 00:22:17.640 people in the face of a national trend that's seeking 379 00:22:17.640 --> 00:22:21.279 to disenfranchise them, or whether it's going to have to 380 00:22:21.279 --> 00:22:26.200 come from the center and all political power initiative is 381 00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:28.920 going to have to be absorbed into something at the 382 00:22:29.000 --> 00:22:33.680 at the national level. And for most of my you know, 383 00:22:33.759 --> 00:22:37.960 political career is the wrong word, but like for you know, 384 00:22:38.000 --> 00:22:39.599 most of the time that I've been commenting and thinking 385 00:22:39.599 --> 00:22:42.960 about this stuff, I've actually taken the more decentralized approach. 386 00:22:43.880 --> 00:22:46.119 And I think a lot of others are you take 387 00:22:46.200 --> 00:22:49.279 on the same but I've actually shifted gears. I don't 388 00:22:49.319 --> 00:22:52.640 think that's possible anymore because of technology and because of 389 00:22:52.680 --> 00:22:57.440 the sheer civilizational volume of what's happening in terms of 390 00:22:57.519 --> 00:23:00.480 you know, the import the you know, importing of migrants 391 00:23:00.480 --> 00:23:03.160 from the Third World and all of that stuff. I 392 00:23:03.200 --> 00:23:05.200 actually think it's going to have to come from the center, 393 00:23:05.400 --> 00:23:07.119 and it's going to have to be you know, we're 394 00:23:07.119 --> 00:23:11.039 going to have to transform from a like republican name 395 00:23:11.119 --> 00:23:14.119 only to a formal empire, and that's the only way 396 00:23:14.160 --> 00:23:16.559 we're going to get out of this. So I actually 397 00:23:17.119 --> 00:23:20.799 have much more of a centralizing approach to this, and 398 00:23:20.839 --> 00:23:24.759 so I think that basically state level and county level, 399 00:23:25.079 --> 00:23:26.880 you know, all of those, all of those things are 400 00:23:26.920 --> 00:23:29.960 going to basically have to be you know, held in 401 00:23:30.039 --> 00:23:32.480