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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to episode five sixty nine of five and five.

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<v Speaker 1>It is Friday, August sixth I am your host, Craig Goldstein,

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<v Speaker 1>joined as usual by Patrick Dubuke and Jeffrey Petron Nostro.

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<v Speaker 2>Why don't we start a standard Craig about you guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Guys, it's meant yeah, well, I I apologize for any

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<v Speaker 1>current and future performance problems. Today I was woken up

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<v Speaker 1>three hours after I went to sleep by news that

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<v Speaker 1>one of our cats had just peede on our bed.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that's like a whole that's an emergency situation.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you're aware of this.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not criticizing my spouse here. It legitimately is you

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<v Speaker 1>got to change everything on the bed obviously immediately. And

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<v Speaker 1>it like this has happened once before when there was

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<v Speaker 1>a problem with like their litter box. There was not today,

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<v Speaker 1>to be clear, but there there was a problem with

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<v Speaker 1>it once before, and like she had done it while

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<v Speaker 1>we were not in the bed, and it sat and

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<v Speaker 1>like came real close to ruining the bed. Cat p

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<v Speaker 1>is one of the most just one of the worst

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<v Speaker 1>substances on Earth.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the worst part about it is that like

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<v Speaker 2>the first time it's a warning. But the second time

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<v Speaker 2>you got to write it up right, Yeah, like three

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<v Speaker 2>in the morning. Yeah, there's paperwork here. Yeah, three in

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<v Speaker 2>the morning. I'm just going to sleep. At least, at least,

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<v Speaker 2>I will say, Craig, at least you were woken up

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<v Speaker 2>by being told that the cat had pete. Yeah, my

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<v Speaker 2>wife by the cat, and my wife had a worse experience. Absolutely,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean no doubt.

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<v Speaker 1>But regardless, it's been a disjointed morning, let's say.

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<v Speaker 2>After a disjointed week.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, after after after more generally, yeah, which people people

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<v Speaker 1>like I I by the way, I meant to say

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<v Speaker 1>this before, but like shout out to the Discord.

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<v Speaker 2>I love the Discord.

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<v Speaker 1>I know I'm not in there constantly, but I do

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<v Speaker 1>check it and it's great. So I I you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they left us up.

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<v Speaker 2>Patrick joined the Discord. I've forgotten how you're joined the Discord.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember Flash five and dive.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah it is you.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what the topic in there this morning.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like OTP advice. And if you know the kind

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<v Speaker 3>of people that are in that discord. One guy said, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I just started a league with one hundred teams and

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<v Speaker 3>have it run fifty seasons and I look at it after.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so that the OTV came up because I said,

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<v Speaker 1>like I play it on her.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like the Dodgers or whatever I want to be.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually haven't played OTV in a while, but ye,

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<v Speaker 1>but like I don't think I'm a look like people.

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<v Speaker 1>People love restrictions, right, I mean it's like speed runs

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever. Like my point was not to someone said

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<v Speaker 1>it was like a flex and I didn't mean it

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<v Speaker 1>to be one, but like people like the challenge.

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<v Speaker 2>That is something people seek out.

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<v Speaker 3>Craig training for games done quick.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what that is, but okay it is.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a semi annual charity speed run event. Okay, everybody

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<v Speaker 2>is very supportive, but.

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<v Speaker 1>You know there's there's like doing things no, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>people try and complete runs with no hits and what. God,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't, I don't know what's happening. Don't don't suck

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<v Speaker 1>me into this world.

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<v Speaker 2>Please.

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<v Speaker 1>My point is people like restrictions as ways to challenge themselves. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So like this is not news and I don't I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know why that gets anyone.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to get into it. That's that's my banter.

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<v Speaker 2>I suppose, yeah, and and and an.

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<v Speaker 1>Apology for a rough start to the show. Jeffrey or Patrick,

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<v Speaker 1>anything you want to bring to the table.

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<v Speaker 3>So yesterday was back to school night. Oh wow, we

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<v Speaker 3>made it. We made it through the summer. I never

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<v Speaker 3>want to do this again. I don't have to do

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<v Speaker 3>it twelve more times.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this is at a certain point. It won't be twelve.

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<v Speaker 2>At a certain point they will just go in the

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<v Speaker 2>room and ignore you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, that's fine, but I will say.

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<v Speaker 2>That seven more times.

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<v Speaker 3>They do three, they do three sessions or whatever, right,

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<v Speaker 3>because like some people have multiple kids at the school, right,

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<v Speaker 3>so you got to go, oh right, yeah sure. But

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<v Speaker 3>like so we went to the early one, which apparently

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<v Speaker 3>every single other family in the school. And this is

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<v Speaker 3>like K through nine or K through eight, K through

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<v Speaker 3>ader K, I don't remember. Okay, so it is not

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<v Speaker 3>a very big parking lot. We'd park on the street.

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<v Speaker 3>We're already running late. I realized when I got there,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know where the first grade classrooms are, Like

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<v Speaker 3>I know where the kindergarten classrooms are, and I assume

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<v Speaker 3>the first grade classroom, Like I don't go further into

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<v Speaker 3>the school than that.

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<v Speaker 2>The entrance and speaking of it, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Didn't even think that as I assumed they were around

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<v Speaker 3>the corner from the kindergarten classrooms. But it's not like signed,

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<v Speaker 3>like there were no signs.

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<v Speaker 2>Jeffrey School is actually a dungeon crawl. Yeah, and then

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<v Speaker 2>each each grade you have to get a little further in.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, it's it's like meaning the hollow where there's no

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<v Speaker 3>like yellow paint, is how you where you're going either,

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<v Speaker 3>it turned out it was upstairs and then the kid

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<v Speaker 3>decided she had to go to the bathroom before, so

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<v Speaker 3>we were a little bit late for the for the

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<v Speaker 3>first grade meeting. So it goes good. So does a

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<v Speaker 3>kid go to school night?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the teacher and stuff like that, right, Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>guess I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Thinking of the they do back to school night and

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<v Speaker 1>then they have like the parents have to come back

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<v Speaker 1>like pretty early on.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, it's like a separate thing. I don't know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>some school.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, our parent teacher stuff is like more like actor.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like pretty far into the year relatively sporking.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you gotta get a you gotta get a representative.

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<v Speaker 3>Sample size, yes, of the kid of the kid.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you don't, you know, what like some babbit throwing off.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah, like every kid is Jeff Frankore on

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<v Speaker 3>Labor Day.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know. There's something I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like, for some reason, back to school, and I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't involve our kid going back, but that seems weird

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<v Speaker 2>now that I say it out. Yeah, so I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I mean we do start super early here too,

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<v Speaker 3>and again before Memorial Day. I assume to avoid most

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<v Speaker 3>of the hot weather, although it's been like one hundred

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<v Speaker 3>and five for the last two weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>Avoiding avoiding hot weather by going outside in August, got it? Uh? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>my My school does not start for I think three

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<v Speaker 2>more weeks, which is good because I have to teach

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<v Speaker 2>in three weeks. Actually I'll get like a week or

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<v Speaker 2>two of grace spirit. But because I'm also decay and uh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a co op, so I have to teach a class.

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<v Speaker 2>And last year I TAKECHD tests and it was easy.

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<v Speaker 2>This year, I decided to play hard Bode like Craig,

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<v Speaker 2>and I decided to invent a class to teach, which

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<v Speaker 2>is I'm going to teach basically board game design. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how to teach experience in board games.

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<v Speaker 2>I have experienced playing board games.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's different than design.

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<v Speaker 3>Is experience playing video games.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, I've got a vague sense of what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to teach. Like we'll talk, we'll do probability.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll spend you know, we'll spend a class talking about

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<v Speaker 2>probability and the concepts of probability, right, and then we'll

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<v Speaker 2>start talking about like what makes a game interesting? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>What makes something something worth playing?

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<v Speaker 3>Is this just an excuse to like have them play

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<v Speaker 3>board games so you don't have to deal with them

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<v Speaker 3>for part of the class.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, no, God, it's worse when when kids like you'll

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<v Speaker 2>have to manage them playing it, which is gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely worse than just letting them play. But like, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>just like basically, I'm definitely on this trip. I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>on trip. But so by the way, guys, see you

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<v Speaker 2>guys in two weeks. So I enjoy two weeks all

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<v Speaker 2>of you without me. But I will have to spend

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<v Speaker 2>some time like figuring out what it is. We're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>spend nine hours in the in the next three months

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<v Speaker 2>talking about well, figure out it'll be it'll be interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>When I was when I was a teacher. I was

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<v Speaker 2>a bad teacher. And one of the reasons why is

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<v Speaker 2>because I needed to control every moment of the academic period.

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<v Speaker 2>I felt like I had to float shart like literally

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<v Speaker 2>every single thing that could happen. Uh, we are not

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<v Speaker 2>doing that this time. It's going to be We're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>everything's gonna be up in the air. So it'll either

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<v Speaker 2>kill me or it'll be fine. On that note, it'll

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<v Speaker 2>either kill me or it'll be fine is a.

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<v Speaker 3>Good way to Patrick is taking a bunch of children

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<v Speaker 3>into Katan and they will either die or for a

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<v Speaker 3>very important place.

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<v Speaker 1>On that note, let's go to our first subject, many

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<v Speaker 1>early returns. We had some, uh, I guess let's look

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<v Speaker 1>at some first starts, some first performances after the trade deadlines,

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<v Speaker 1>same face, new place as sports Center way back.

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<v Speaker 2>He used to put it ah with some rough starts.

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<v Speaker 3>Jeffrey as a whole, the group did not.

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<v Speaker 2>Much like this pod. I would say, some rough starts.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't everyone has a trade deadline hangover.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't know if Freddy pearls that was tainted by cat,

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<v Speaker 2>but we don't it would have an effect. It would

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<v Speaker 2>uh possibly course field had an effect although how long

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<v Speaker 2>has it been since pitching it course has been bad

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<v Speaker 2>because the effect of facing the Rockies is better than

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<v Speaker 2>the effect of pitching it course. Like I feel like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I'm I don't think fantasy, and it

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<v Speaker 2>seems like when when my pitcher was heading the course,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be like, oh, sweet, two starts this week, I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, well, not except for Freddy Peralta. Yeah, you have

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<v Speaker 3>seven runs in like four and a third, I think

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<v Speaker 3>something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of that because it was the Rockies. As Patrick noted,

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<v Speaker 1>the Rays did.

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<v Speaker 3>Win this game, maybe, yes, I think, yeah, mate, they

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<v Speaker 3>scored early. I think it's like seven to five at

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<v Speaker 3>when he left, and they tied it and then won

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<v Speaker 3>an extress. But yeah, like I again, if you assume

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<v Speaker 3>the Rays have a plan for Peralta, they haven't had

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<v Speaker 3>time to implement it. And they said to send him

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<v Speaker 3>out to pitching course on extended rest too, because obviously

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<v Speaker 3>they pulled him from his start on I think it

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<v Speaker 3>was to start Friday.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I guess, see that's why.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm guessing that's why they just sent him out, regardless

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<v Speaker 1>they had the slot and he had he had been

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<v Speaker 1>on a lot of rest. But all so, it does

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<v Speaker 1>seem like you might want to do everything you can

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<v Speaker 1>to avoid your new pitcher in the in the org,

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, just a look they're gonna like so it's this

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<v Speaker 2>Know, like what it is over the.

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<v Speaker 1>Like he actually does on average is less relevant than

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<v Speaker 3>There's you know, like their WPA for that start was

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<v Speaker 2>But.

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't really matter in this It's very right, you're

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<v Speaker 3>playoffs and they're going to make the playoffs pretty much regardless, right,

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<v Speaker 3>So it's going to be more than ten starts.

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<v Speaker 1>As much as I call them frauds, it would be

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<v Speaker 1>staggering to see them miss the playoffs at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>They they if yeah, if they missed the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 3>I honestly I know they mathematically can. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think. I just I don't. I don't. I

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<v Speaker 1>Like yeah, again, I staggering. It's probably understating.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yeah, this would be the worst collapse in baseball history.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, well is it? I get Yeah? What's the gap

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<v Speaker 2>it was last year. I mean, technically they both made

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<v Speaker 3>It's about that.

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<v Speaker 1>The Tigers made up ten games and it had been

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<v Speaker 1>white that. But well they're oh there. I'm thinking of

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<v Speaker 2>The Guardians were fifteen and a half back in early July,

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<v Speaker 2>ten and a half back at the end of August. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so if you split the difference, it's about it would

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<v Speaker 2>the Tigers managed to make the playoffs and then win

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<v Speaker 2>a playoff postseason round. Like, it's so weird that we

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, did the true playoff collapse is the

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<v Speaker 2>ninety five Angels, sure, because they at least got bumped out.

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<v Speaker 3>Part of right now is just the sheer number of teams.

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<v Speaker 3>They're the one seed right now, right, the sheer number

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<v Speaker 3>of teams, it would have to play significantly worse than

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<v Speaker 3>down the stretch.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, and also, well, you you're saying the Angel

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<v Speaker 2>like ten eight games?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the Red Sox, right, yeah, that was the one

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<v Speaker 1>where Dan Johnson the Rays.

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<v Speaker 3>On the day they lost to the Orioles on a

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<v Speaker 1>But that was fewer games, but much fewer, much less time,

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<v Speaker 1>much less time, right, it was like eight games in

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<v Speaker 3>That's like, do you do you consider like the Mets

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<v Speaker 3>seven up with seventeen to play worse than it's very bad.

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<v Speaker 3>I consider it very bad, to be clear, But that

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<v Speaker 3>was also like it's a binary thing, right, They just

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<v Speaker 3>got out played by a team for those seventeen games.

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<v Speaker 3>The Rays have so many teams between them, they have

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<v Speaker 3>so many outs here, right, Like, even if they played

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<v Speaker 3>one of the Rangers, Mariners or Twins would have to

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<v Speaker 1>Right, right, and somehow Casey Miyes was worse. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>speaking of the former Detroit collapses, Casey Mice three and

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<v Speaker 1>a third, nine hits, eight earned runs.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, and this is two where like the Padres

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<v Speaker 3>one two out of three in this series, I believed

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because they won yesterday, So.

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<v Speaker 3>Like it's things you'd like doin all three. This is

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, yeah, Mice, uh oh sorry, it was a

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<v Speaker 2>four game set. They split it too well. Never I'll

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<v Speaker 2>never get this right. So basically mys was okay through two.

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<v Speaker 2>He gave up a run home into Timtawa. But then

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<v Speaker 2>the third and the fourth inning, I think it's this

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<v Speaker 2>third inning, the home and then fourth inning he just

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<v Speaker 3>I do wonder if we play the sort of like

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<v Speaker 3>you know, soft factors here, like you're changing teams, you're moving,

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<v Speaker 3>you gotta find a place to live for the rest

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<v Speaker 3>of the season. You're working with a new catcher and

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<v Speaker 3>new teammates, and you like you gotta then go out

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<v Speaker 3>and try to pitch right, like directly in like a

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<v Speaker 3>direct playoff, you know, more so than even peralta direct

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<v Speaker 3>like meaningful game in August for the San Diego Padres.

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<v Speaker 3>But also sometimes Kathy might is just gonna go three

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<v Speaker 2>But it was a lot of singles. Sure, like it

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<v Speaker 2>was like not grounders through the hole or anything, but

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<v Speaker 2>like it was it wasn't It wasn't like there there

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<v Speaker 2>was the one home run on what's kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>mistake pitch, but like after that, it's just gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 2>You're gonna get these sometimes in better news dustin May, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>looked like good dustin May. Sure in Milwaukee, Yeah, the Brewers.

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<v Speaker 3>Six innings, two runs, move on. Well, it's just like the.

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<v Speaker 2>Brewers are just like how it feels like they've won

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<v Speaker 2>sixteen games in a row and now I know it's

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<v Speaker 2>the that's the Red Sox to me. But like every

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<v Speaker 2>Brewers starter. Now just like six innings, two runs, Kyle

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<v Speaker 2>Yerson came back and struck out ten over five did

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<v Speaker 2>have to leave the game with both legs. He's yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Logan Henderson, Oh god, no, yeah, thank you your friend

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<v Speaker 2>of mine. Logan Henderson six in two runs as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Untradeable Logan Henderson.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you can see why. Yeah, it would be.

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<v Speaker 2>It would be a fireable offense. Patrick, I do j

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you're aware there was there was

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<v Speaker 2>a comment left on on Jared Jared's piece. It was

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't like arguing with jareded really, it was just

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<v Speaker 2>very good. I highly recommend people check out Chart's Peace

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<v Speaker 2>the Kaleidoscope. I thought it was great.

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<v Speaker 1>But but someone presumably a Brewers fan, said it would

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<v Speaker 1>be a fireable defense if Matt Arnold had traded Logan Henderson.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, I like he's been helpy for like fifteen minutes

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<v Speaker 3>in the last three seasons.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I want to say this also, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>that I even have a problem with someone. If someone's

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<v Speaker 1>point of view is I don't think they should trade

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<v Speaker 1>Logan Henderson for a variety of factors, whether it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>his quality, his team control the combination of those things. Whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>it is not a fireable offense, Let's get a grip, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>let's just get a grip. It is fine to say

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want him to do it, I don't think.

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<v Speaker 2>He should do it.

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<v Speaker 3>Blah blah blah. Everything has to be as history onic

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<v Speaker 3>as possible, like if my if my team makes my

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<v Speaker 3>tummy anyway shape or for him, we need to fire

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<v Speaker 3>the GM basically.

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<v Speaker 2>And like I just I want to say this acknology

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't even want to say I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to sound reticent in saying like acknowledging. But like Logan

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<v Speaker 2>Henderson's really good, Like Patrick, No, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Think you would certainly argue that, like I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>Luis Payana, Logan Henderson and Jet Williams would have been

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<v Speaker 3>an over pay for Yes, yeah, I think the Dods,

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<v Speaker 3>like even it's not a fireable effense that the Dodgers

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<v Speaker 3>deal you can look at as an overpay too, but like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>sometimes you have to overpay to get well what you

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<v Speaker 3>want in a situation is.

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<v Speaker 1>That Andrew Friedman quote, we're going to make deals where

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<v Speaker 1>the value is underwater, but we want to because of

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<v Speaker 1>the quality of the.

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<v Speaker 2>Team that we have and what what it means for

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<v Speaker 2>the postseason.

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<v Speaker 1>And again he behaves that way, and I understand he's

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<v Speaker 1>able to behave that way in a in a manner

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<v Speaker 1>different than Milwaukee.

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<v Speaker 3>I'nstraints. I don't argue need to operate that way. I

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<v Speaker 3>think more than one should. Probably, Yes, I have.

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<v Speaker 1>I have no problem with Milwaukee not wanting to trade

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<v Speaker 1>Logan Henderson. I get and I think it's justifiable. It

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<v Speaker 1>is also justifiable to to trade a schooble and thus

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<v Speaker 1>not a fireable offence.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I just want to put that. Well, that's the

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<v Speaker 3>funny thing about it. This to me is and we

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<v Speaker 3>talked about this a little bit on I think we

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<v Speaker 3>talked about it some where in the Trade deadline show.

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<v Speaker 3>Gotten to if I remember anything I.

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<v Speaker 2>Said for I wouldn't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Like, if that is your attitude that like Logan Henderson,

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<v Speaker 3>trading Logan Henderson for trek School is a fire leal offense,

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<v Speaker 3>you should be way fucking more pissed about the dust

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<v Speaker 3>and May trade and what they gave up. Like yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and I guess, like I don't know if like Ragsdale

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<v Speaker 3>and Frius, just like you would think among Brewers fans,

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<v Speaker 3>Freus and Ragdale would be bigger deals than they are

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<v Speaker 3>based on their performance this year. But maybe I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know if it hasn't gotten to the wider fan base,

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<v Speaker 3>like they're gonna be top. I don't know if they're

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<v Speaker 3>gonna make the one on one, but they're gonna be

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<v Speaker 3>in consideration for it, certainly, right down to the wire.

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<v Speaker 3>You treated two of them for Dustin May and Jojo

426
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<v Speaker 3>Romero rentals, Like I know, Henderson is more of a

427
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<v Speaker 3>sure thing in so much that he is on the

428
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<v Speaker 3>Major League ross, healthy for now and pitching well. Like

429
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<v Speaker 3>it's the same, it's the same math equation. It's just

430
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<v Speaker 3>guys you haven't heard of yet, basically.

431
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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of which I've I have not had a chance

432
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<v Speaker 1>to read it. But there is apparently an article up

433
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<v Speaker 1>on ESPN from Jeff Passing inside the school negotiating trade negotiations,

434
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<v Speaker 1>why the Tigers chose the Dodgers, and there are there

435
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<v Speaker 1>are some tidbits.

436
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<v Speaker 3>There are some tidbits. You you've seen them, I've seen

437
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<v Speaker 3>I've seen some training shots.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there is, Yeah.

439
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<v Speaker 1>The one I've seen is, uh, the payroll gap apparently

440
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<v Speaker 1>forces teams that do almost everything right, such as the

441
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<v Speaker 1>Milwaukee and Tampa to spend their existence considering whether really

442
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<v Speaker 1>really trying to win is worth it.

443
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<v Speaker 2>Yep.

444
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<v Speaker 1>The answer almost always is no, Yep, there you go anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>Dustin may so tired.

446
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean the single gap doesn't need to be

447
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<v Speaker 3>this big. It's the thing, right It being this big

448
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<v Speaker 3>is a choice?

449
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, dust and make six innings, uh, three walks, five strikeouts,

450
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<v Speaker 1>only three hits, let's good, it was and a hit

451
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<v Speaker 1>by Patches as a complete Dustins like he's.

452
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<v Speaker 3>Got a better field defense in front of him now,

453
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<v Speaker 3>so that's gonna not that the Actually he might not

454
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<v Speaker 3>even have a better Yes, I take that back.

455
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<v Speaker 1>I mean Milwaukee's is very good turing versus Weatherholt and

456
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<v Speaker 1>probably gotta go a Turing but not like Weather holds

457
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<v Speaker 1>a slouch.

458
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<v Speaker 3>Short verse win. But yeah, I will take win, but

459
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<v Speaker 3>like it's not I would take win as a player

460
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<v Speaker 3>for sure. I think he's a better defender too.

461
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

462
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, David Hamilton at third, I don't know, yeah, I

463
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<v Speaker 1>also yeah. And then we have a series of Mets

464
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<v Speaker 1>relievers making their debut.

465
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<v Speaker 3>So you decided to trade for a Mets reliever, It

466
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<v Speaker 3>probably didn't go great for you this week Brooks, Raley

467
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<v Speaker 3>Gilpahome run to Brady House, a game tying home run

468
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<v Speaker 3>against Brady House, then let the go ahead run in

469
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<v Speaker 3>Later in that inning, Phillies tied it but then lost

470
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<v Speaker 3>in extras because a lot of very uh Phillies can't

471
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<v Speaker 3>be normal and God bless them for it. Stuff happened,

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<v Speaker 3>including Josey Alvarado first and second, two out walking the

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<v Speaker 3>next two batters, which is the thing you can do.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hm uh.

475
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<v Speaker 3>In Minnesota, a j Mentor had been fine in his

476
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<v Speaker 3>first two outings, but then give up home run, go

477
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<v Speaker 3>ahead or go behind? I guess home run to Michael

478
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<v Speaker 3>Massey that cost a Twins a game.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's just shocking to me to find out

480
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<v Speaker 1>the Royals are still playing baseball.

481
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, And for some reason, the White Sox tried to

483
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<v Speaker 3>in that already alluded to Red Sox White Sox game. Uh,

484
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<v Speaker 3>the White Sox tried to get four outs from Hostcar Rasavon,

485
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<v Speaker 3>four out saved from Hoscar Razavon. It did not go well.

486
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what was was there? Not available? No?

487
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<v Speaker 3>They used Taylor or they used Taylor and like the

488
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<v Speaker 3>Andrew Miller fire man roll, and then they brought in

489
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<v Speaker 3>braz Abahan. I think with a guy on third and

490
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<v Speaker 3>two outs in the eighth, which is not like as

491
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<v Speaker 3>someone that you don't Brama is not a strikeout guy,

492
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<v Speaker 3>like you can just get it out there, He's going

493
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<v Speaker 3>to give up contact in like a grounder could find

494
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<v Speaker 3>a hole. They ended up backpicking the guy at third

495
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<v Speaker 3>and they just told him back out for them.

496
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<v Speaker 2>But he also didn't.

497
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<v Speaker 3>He didn't like I think he threw a pitch, but

498
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<v Speaker 3>like a couple of pitches, but like, yeah, but then

499
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<v Speaker 3>he gave up two runs in the ninth to tie it,

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<v Speaker 3>and then a bunch of other shit happened after that.

501
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<v Speaker 1>Basically, oh boy, yeah that was That was a wild

502
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<v Speaker 1>game and the Red Sox are unstoppable. Basically, the Red

503
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<v Speaker 1>Sox trailed I think in almost every inning, like every

504
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<v Speaker 1>half inning.

505
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they kept scoring runs when the White Sox scored more.

506
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<v Speaker 3>Basically right right.

507
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<v Speaker 2>I think they came back like five different times.

508
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<v Speaker 1>And then there was Tarrek Scooble started against Chicago good,

509
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<v Speaker 1>I mean, six strikeouts, six innings, two earned, but the

510
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<v Speaker 1>second earned run was I forget.

511
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<v Speaker 2>It was a little weird. How how a guy got

512
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<v Speaker 2>on in the first place. I think but I know

513
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<v Speaker 2>they scored.

514
00:26:19.000 --> 00:26:23.799
<v Speaker 1>Nico Horner went after a high pitch high for Nico

515
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<v Speaker 1>Horner anyway, and somehow topped it straight into the plate

516
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<v Speaker 1>and then it just took a monster bounce and a

517
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<v Speaker 1>run scored from third.

518
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<v Speaker 2>Baltimore chop teams should be doing it more.

519
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<v Speaker 1>But it wasn't like the chop where it's like in

520
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<v Speaker 1>front of the plate. It went straight off the plate

521
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<v Speaker 1>and then just hung up forever.

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<v Speaker 2>I take it back.

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<v Speaker 1>There was some hard contact on him. They had runs

524
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<v Speaker 1>at second, third, They threw a guy out at home the.

525
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<v Speaker 3>Play before home run Dany Swanson in there, and he.

526
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<v Speaker 2>Gave earlier home run to Swanson. But in general looked yeah, sure, yeah,

527
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<v Speaker 2>you knows.

528
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<v Speaker 3>Are playing better than they have recently.

529
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I do. And we can pretend that you could

530
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<v Speaker 2>intentionally Baltimore shop like pitch has been back when pitches

531
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<v Speaker 2>were sixty miles per hour, and you can you can

532
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<v Speaker 2>do something to supposed to just desperately make contact. We

533
00:27:15.599 --> 00:27:18.079
<v Speaker 2>still have that with bunting. We still think, oh, you

534
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<v Speaker 2>should be able to bump perfectly no matter what the pitches,

535
00:27:20.279 --> 00:27:21.880
<v Speaker 2>but we the Baltimore chop is gone.

536
00:27:22.720 --> 00:27:25.240
<v Speaker 3>Are your left handed hitter try to Baltimore chop Jacob

537
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<v Speaker 3>Mezowski's cutter.

538
00:27:26.400 --> 00:27:27.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly.

539
00:27:29.480 --> 00:27:31.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the Dodgers will not make it to the plate

540
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<v Speaker 3>before the ball is in the catcher's cloud. That's fine.

541
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<v Speaker 2>Uh, the the Dodgers have lost six in a.

542
00:27:37.599 --> 00:27:40.880
<v Speaker 3>Row, Yes, by the red stop. That's fair enough, everyone is.

543
00:27:41.319 --> 00:27:44.960
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, and honestly, the Coups have been playing very well,

544
00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:45.960
<v Speaker 3>been playing very well. Yeah.

545
00:27:47.119 --> 00:27:49.400
<v Speaker 2>The Dodgers' playoff odds in the last seven days have

546
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<v Speaker 2>been unchanged zero point zero difference. Yeah, it doesn't it

547
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<v Speaker 2>doesn't matter.

548
00:27:54.680 --> 00:27:55.319
<v Speaker 3>It doesn't matter.

549
00:27:56.359 --> 00:27:59.680
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's it's matters.

550
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<v Speaker 3>I guess home field throughout the playoffs, right, because the

551
00:28:02.519 --> 00:28:03.960
<v Speaker 3>Brewers are now currently the one seed.

552
00:28:04.079 --> 00:28:07.480
<v Speaker 1>But uh yeah, and I think Atlanta is right there.

553
00:28:07.880 --> 00:28:10.519
<v Speaker 1>Atlanta's ahead of them too, so they're the third seed

554
00:28:10.599 --> 00:28:10.880
<v Speaker 1>right now.

555
00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:11.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

556
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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I mean I get it mattered. They didn't

557
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<v Speaker 1>seem to care last time.

558
00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:19.680
<v Speaker 2>Look, it's hard ruining baseball. You have to do that

559
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<v Speaker 2>and win games at the same time. It's it's a

560
00:28:22.279 --> 00:28:22.799
<v Speaker 2>lot to ask.

561
00:28:23.160 --> 00:28:26.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, they're certainly ruining the baseball on the field.

562
00:28:26.759 --> 00:28:29.079
<v Speaker 3>Oh jeez, I didn't realize Atlanta's back to twenty five over.

563
00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:33.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, They've seventy wins. Dodgers have been stuck stuck on

564
00:28:33.440 --> 00:28:37.039
<v Speaker 2>sixty nine. Yep for quite a while.

565
00:28:38.359 --> 00:28:41.039
<v Speaker 1>We'll go on to our second segment and the reason

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<v Speaker 1>we're doing this podcast at all. Jeffrey, is it it

567
00:28:44.559 --> 00:28:45.319
<v Speaker 1>is fraud watch?

568
00:28:45.640 --> 00:28:46.880
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I did say it was me?

569
00:28:49.400 --> 00:28:50.559
<v Speaker 2>Floor is yours? Yeah?

570
00:28:50.799 --> 00:28:53.359
<v Speaker 3>So the Cleveland Guardians were stet by the Mets this week.

571
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<v Speaker 3>I Look, I watched a lot of these games, mostly

572
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<v Speaker 3>because I was curious about the new Mets bullpen. Look,

573
00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:03.119
<v Speaker 3>I got to watch Christian Scott and Olan MacLean, which

574
00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:10.000
<v Speaker 3>I try to do when I can. This Guardians team again,

575
00:29:10.200 --> 00:29:14.559
<v Speaker 3>sort of like with Patrick and the Padres, like just

576
00:29:14.680 --> 00:29:17.759
<v Speaker 3>not a team I paid a ton of attention to

577
00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:19.920
<v Speaker 3>this year, and I expected them to be very much

578
00:29:21.279 --> 00:29:24.000
<v Speaker 3>just the Guardians that we know. And I'm not going

579
00:29:24.079 --> 00:29:27.920
<v Speaker 3>to say love because we don't. But this is a

580
00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:31.000
<v Speaker 3>bad baseball team. Like I don't want to judge a

581
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<v Speaker 3>team just off you know, the three game drop in, right,

582
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<v Speaker 3>But there's like, outside of these three game there's a

583
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<v Speaker 3>fair amount of evidence that this is a bad baseball team.

584
00:29:43.680 --> 00:29:48.519
<v Speaker 3>I outside that they should have won the middle game

585
00:29:48.599 --> 00:29:51.759
<v Speaker 3>of this set. They were they had two outs in

586
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<v Speaker 3>the ninth and I think it was.

587
00:29:56.440 --> 00:29:56.599
<v Speaker 2>Chio.

588
00:29:56.720 --> 00:29:59.839
<v Speaker 3>I think six and thirteen since the Yeah, Brocchio bo

589
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<v Speaker 3>a fairly easy ground ball from Ajau going to tie it.

590
00:30:02.839 --> 00:30:05.720
<v Speaker 3>You know, the day before Gabriellarius made an error that

591
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<v Speaker 3>eventually let three runs score. I think it was a

592
00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:09.640
<v Speaker 3>three run homer in there, or a run in a

593
00:30:09.680 --> 00:30:12.559
<v Speaker 3>two run homer. Idn even immediately DFA the day after,

594
00:30:13.799 --> 00:30:18.119
<v Speaker 3>so like, yeah, that can be a little bit. And

595
00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:21.079
<v Speaker 3>they lost like what thirteen to six yesterday and it

596
00:30:21.079 --> 00:30:24.039
<v Speaker 3>could have been like twenty to six. That's left a

597
00:30:24.119 --> 00:30:29.359
<v Speaker 3>million runners on base in the process. You can have

598
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<v Speaker 3>a serial who just like everything goes wrong right, Like

599
00:30:31.799 --> 00:30:33.839
<v Speaker 3>Rookio is a good defender, you've actually make that play.

600
00:30:33.880 --> 00:30:35.799
<v Speaker 3>Arius is a good defender, especially I think it was

601
00:30:35.799 --> 00:30:38.880
<v Speaker 3>playing third. You expect them to make that play, like

602
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<v Speaker 3>but man, like I watch Slee Chacconi coming out of

603
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<v Speaker 3>the bullpen repeatedly and just like what what what is

604
00:30:49.559 --> 00:30:51.680
<v Speaker 3>going to Kate Smith ended up getting a blown save,

605
00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:53.480
<v Speaker 3>which was a little unfair, but also we loaded the

606
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<v Speaker 3>bases before that error happened.

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<v Speaker 2>I just.

608
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<v Speaker 3>The things you expect from the you know, the eighty

609
00:31:04.200 --> 00:31:08.960
<v Speaker 3>seven win. Cleveland Guardian Division winner just doesn't seem to

610
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<v Speaker 3>be there this year, you know, first and foremost like

611
00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:15.960
<v Speaker 3>Hosey Ramirez not being good, but also like, yeah, the

612
00:31:16.079 --> 00:31:19.559
<v Speaker 3>pitching in this series. We didn't include Foster Griffin and

613
00:31:19.680 --> 00:31:22.359
<v Speaker 3>sort of the you know, early returns, but he did

614
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<v Speaker 3>not have a particularly good start yesterday, they're still starting.

615
00:31:25.359 --> 00:31:29.400
<v Speaker 3>Joey Cantillo and a baby had been better recently and

616
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<v Speaker 3>was I thought he looked okay, and that started, he

617
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<v Speaker 3>gave a bunch of homers, which was a problem and

618
00:31:34.119 --> 00:31:39.079
<v Speaker 3>something he does do sometimes. But like they don't, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>do you remember like the tweet like a few years

620
00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:46.519
<v Speaker 3>ago that like you know, your favorite team can't do this,

621
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<v Speaker 3>And it was just like a from like the Guardians,

622
00:31:50.599 --> 00:31:52.599
<v Speaker 3>which is like a series of like seeing eye singles

623
00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:56.720
<v Speaker 3>basically like they were really pumping the way they stuff.

624
00:31:56.519 --> 00:32:00.960
<v Speaker 1>Their account got really pissy about like guards ball and

625
00:32:01.119 --> 00:32:02.079
<v Speaker 1>we do it different.

626
00:32:02.279 --> 00:32:04.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, like that kind of stuff, like they don't

627
00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:06.200
<v Speaker 3>they haven't been right like that's.

628
00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:08.519
<v Speaker 2>And it's worse.

629
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<v Speaker 3>It's worse like it, I think.

630
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<v Speaker 1>And so like you said, Ari Scott d Fade, they

631
00:32:16.839 --> 00:32:21.559
<v Speaker 1>traded one Brito years ago. Now they've traded Tenna. They

632
00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:26.480
<v Speaker 1>like they had this this slew of up the middle

633
00:32:27.480 --> 00:32:32.599
<v Speaker 1>interesting ish guys and basically Rochio can't hit. I know,

634
00:32:32.680 --> 00:32:36.759
<v Speaker 1>he's kind of okay, like generally speaking, has not been able.

635
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<v Speaker 3>To like it's gonna be Hanale just I think. And

636
00:32:38.920 --> 00:32:40.920
<v Speaker 3>that's like they they found their guys.

637
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<v Speaker 2>Eventually, right, They just brought up hanw.

638
00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:46.960
<v Speaker 3>Ye on how Martinez is hanging around.

639
00:32:46.759 --> 00:32:50.319
<v Speaker 2>To of course no longer a middle infielder.

640
00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:54.359
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, of course, but like yeah, like Kazier Maras

641
00:32:54.400 --> 00:32:56.039
<v Speaker 3>has been as good and like in some ways this

642
00:32:56.160 --> 00:32:59.000
<v Speaker 3>is a better offense. They have more balanced offense.

643
00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:00.559
<v Speaker 2>And it's more balanced for sure.

644
00:33:00.519 --> 00:33:03.319
<v Speaker 3>Right with bringing in Adele and Low and like Adell.

645
00:33:03.200 --> 00:33:05.599
<v Speaker 1>Have you guys know Stephen kwansops plus is up to

646
00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:06.039
<v Speaker 1>ninety five.

647
00:33:06.119 --> 00:33:08.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's been really good recently. Yeah he had like

648
00:33:08.440 --> 00:33:10.559
<v Speaker 3>a twenty five game on bas streak or something. He's

649
00:33:11.480 --> 00:33:12.960
<v Speaker 3>getting back towards Stephen Kwan.

650
00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:16.160
<v Speaker 2>He helped them unfortunately on the season.

651
00:33:17.680 --> 00:33:20.519
<v Speaker 3>But it's just like this was like I'm watching them

652
00:33:20.599 --> 00:33:22.720
<v Speaker 3>play the twenty twenty six Mets, and I'm like, hey,

653
00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:25.319
<v Speaker 3>the Mets with the better baseball team in this series.

654
00:33:25.759 --> 00:33:27.720
<v Speaker 3>And again it's not just one series. It's craigmuch and

655
00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:29.480
<v Speaker 3>they're three and nine in their last twelve, six and

656
00:33:29.599 --> 00:33:34.920
<v Speaker 3>thirteen since the All Star break, and like, I don't

657
00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:38.599
<v Speaker 3>know where the look. Obviously Mesk and Williams didn't pitch

658
00:33:38.640 --> 00:33:40.039
<v Speaker 3>in the series, and that was to the benefit of

659
00:33:40.039 --> 00:33:42.400
<v Speaker 3>the Mets, but that's only forty percent of their rotation

660
00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:43.279
<v Speaker 3>the rest of the way.

661
00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:47.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, if you looked at era, which is

662
00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:50.039
<v Speaker 1>not necessarily the best way to do it, Like, no

663
00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:53.359
<v Speaker 1>one has been bad, like outright bad out of outside

664
00:33:53.359 --> 00:33:56.079
<v Speaker 1>of Chicane, who they replaced with Foster Griffin, Right, So

665
00:33:56.119 --> 00:33:58.119
<v Speaker 1>if you look at it that way, like they're trying

666
00:33:58.279 --> 00:33:59.200
<v Speaker 1>to shore up their.

667
00:34:01.720 --> 00:34:02.240
<v Speaker 2>The issue.

668
00:34:04.559 --> 00:34:08.760
<v Speaker 1>You know, Joey Cantillo walks too many guys but also

669
00:34:08.840 --> 00:34:13.599
<v Speaker 1>misses more bats than everyone in their rotation except Kevin Williams. Yeah,

670
00:34:13.599 --> 00:34:16.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I mean, Gavin Williams. I think this

671
00:34:16.599 --> 00:34:19.199
<v Speaker 1>team could look better than you're saying, Like, again, you

672
00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:22.679
<v Speaker 1>missed their two best starters. It is only two starters,

673
00:34:22.719 --> 00:34:24.719
<v Speaker 1>but it is their two best starters. And if you

674
00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:26.639
<v Speaker 1>judge a lot of teams by their three through five

675
00:34:27.920 --> 00:34:30.360
<v Speaker 1>members of the rotation, they're gonna look pretty bad.

676
00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:32.199
<v Speaker 3>A lot of those pictures have him beating the Mets

677
00:34:32.280 --> 00:34:32.599
<v Speaker 3>this year.

678
00:34:33.320 --> 00:34:37.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I do think like Williams seems to be

679
00:34:37.719 --> 00:34:39.719
<v Speaker 1>his last couple starts, like in one of the he

680
00:34:39.800 --> 00:34:42.239
<v Speaker 1>gets in a groove sometimes where he just doesn't give

681
00:34:42.360 --> 00:34:42.800
<v Speaker 1>up hits.

682
00:34:43.679 --> 00:34:45.320
<v Speaker 3>He's walking fewer guys this year too.

683
00:34:45.719 --> 00:34:48.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, No, he's been really good on balance, but

684
00:34:48.679 --> 00:34:50.760
<v Speaker 1>he he looked like a cy young guy. I remember

685
00:34:50.840 --> 00:34:52.960
<v Speaker 1>Matt true Blood wrote an article about some of the

686
00:34:53.039 --> 00:34:55.000
<v Speaker 1>changes he made early on in the season.

687
00:34:55.039 --> 00:34:58.000
<v Speaker 2>He looked really, really good, and he's been good, just.

688
00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:00.960
<v Speaker 3>Not yeah, like like, I think he was probably a

689
00:35:01.039 --> 00:35:03.800
<v Speaker 3>little bit hit lucky last year too, in the season

690
00:35:03.840 --> 00:35:05.800
<v Speaker 3>where you know, he led the league in walks and

691
00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:06.360
<v Speaker 3>still had a.

692
00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:10.119
<v Speaker 1>Sure But I'm just saying, let's let's run down his

693
00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:15.000
<v Speaker 1>last five starts. Okay, I'll start with the furthest back

694
00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:21.440
<v Speaker 1>seven innings, eleven strikeouts, one walk, six innings, eleven strikeouts.

695
00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:21.440
<v Speaker 2>No walks.

696
00:35:22.280 --> 00:35:26.239
<v Speaker 1>He did give up five earned but still seven innings,

697
00:35:26.280 --> 00:35:30.400
<v Speaker 1>eleven strikeouts, no walks, seven innings, twelve strikeouts, one walk.

698
00:35:31.159 --> 00:35:34.599
<v Speaker 1>And then against Arizona before this series, five and two thirds,

699
00:35:34.679 --> 00:35:35.920
<v Speaker 1>ten strikeouts, one walk.

700
00:35:36.079 --> 00:35:39.679
<v Speaker 2>He's on at the eater like that is.

701
00:35:40.039 --> 00:35:44.599
<v Speaker 1>That's five What is the record for consecutive starts with

702
00:35:44.679 --> 00:35:48.159
<v Speaker 1>double digit strikeouts and one or fewer walks, Like that's

703
00:35:49.079 --> 00:35:54.280
<v Speaker 1>let's get opta on that please, Like that's that's a hell.

704
00:35:54.159 --> 00:35:54.559
<v Speaker 2>Of a run.

705
00:35:56.079 --> 00:35:57.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm just looking at like a year. You're eated

706
00:35:58.000 --> 00:35:59.880
<v Speaker 3>three point oh six rr last year, so it wasn't

707
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:05.559
<v Speaker 3>under three but close enough, right, Like, it's he's given

708
00:36:05.639 --> 00:36:08.239
<v Speaker 3>up a few more home runs, but not a ton more.

709
00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:11.079
<v Speaker 3>It's mostly you know, it's it's strand rate. His strand

710
00:36:11.159 --> 00:36:12.960
<v Speaker 3>rate has gone from eighty four percent to a more

711
00:36:13.039 --> 00:36:16.400
<v Speaker 3>normal seventy six percent. I think he's probably pitched better

712
00:36:16.519 --> 00:36:21.280
<v Speaker 3>this year, right, Like, Yeah, I assume all his expected

713
00:36:21.320 --> 00:36:26.239
<v Speaker 3>stats are better than they were last year, since he's

714
00:36:26.239 --> 00:36:27.960
<v Speaker 3>striking out more guys and walking fewer.

715
00:36:28.039 --> 00:36:30.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, just you look at again, if you

716
00:36:30.079 --> 00:36:32.920
<v Speaker 1>want to look at something as advance quote unquote, but

717
00:36:33.239 --> 00:36:36.000
<v Speaker 1>a basic advance metric like FIP, and he's got a

718
00:36:36.039 --> 00:36:37.800
<v Speaker 1>three four FIP this year and it was four three

719
00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:38.760
<v Speaker 1>nine last year.

720
00:36:38.920 --> 00:36:42.480
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he's going to be full run lower.

721
00:36:42.639 --> 00:36:44.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's going to throw fastballs to the top of

722
00:36:44.440 --> 00:36:45.880
<v Speaker 3>his own and they're not quite at the top of

723
00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:47.280
<v Speaker 3>his own. They're going to get head out of the

724
00:36:47.320 --> 00:36:48.599
<v Speaker 3>park every once in a while, like he is going

725
00:36:48.679 --> 00:36:50.800
<v Speaker 3>to be a little homer prone, but you know, you

726
00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:56.039
<v Speaker 3>take that sort of in the as part of the

727
00:36:56.079 --> 00:36:57.800
<v Speaker 3>total package. You just accept he's going to have a

728
00:36:57.960 --> 00:36:59.599
<v Speaker 3>home run for nine rate over one. It's the way

729
00:36:59.599 --> 00:36:59.920
<v Speaker 3>it goes.

730
00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:04.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So, I mean, like I I hear you.

731
00:37:04.639 --> 00:37:06.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm not I don't really want to argue in favor

732
00:37:06.519 --> 00:37:08.000
<v Speaker 1>of the Guardians.

733
00:37:08.119 --> 00:37:10.840
<v Speaker 3>Especially after they got swept by the Mets, especially if they're.

734
00:37:10.840 --> 00:37:14.440
<v Speaker 2>That's swept by the Mets. But like I I don't know,

735
00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:16.400
<v Speaker 2>I agree it's not.

736
00:37:16.440 --> 00:37:19.119
<v Speaker 3>A good team, right, They're still I think actually their

737
00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:21.559
<v Speaker 3>one game half game better better than they look in

738
00:37:21.960 --> 00:37:24.719
<v Speaker 3>that sure, but they've they've also six or thirteen in

739
00:37:24.760 --> 00:37:29.760
<v Speaker 3>their last right, Like it's absolutely it's becoming a problem.

740
00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:40.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Then there's the Mariners, say, yeah, yeah, they they

741
00:37:40.079 --> 00:37:43.400
<v Speaker 2>are about to celebrate their fiftieth anniversary team and they're

742
00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:46.480
<v Speaker 2>celebrating it in the most Mariners way possible by bringing

743
00:37:46.519 --> 00:37:51.199
<v Speaker 2>us back to the early Mariners thubs. There's a lot

744
00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:54.639
<v Speaker 2>of nineteen eighty two, nineteen eighty three Mariners going on

745
00:37:54.880 --> 00:37:55.199
<v Speaker 2>right now.

746
00:37:55.960 --> 00:38:00.679
<v Speaker 3>Again, Like they're you know, uh, game and a half

747
00:38:00.760 --> 00:38:04.000
<v Speaker 3>out of the wild Card and three behind the astros

748
00:38:04.079 --> 00:38:06.079
<v Speaker 3>and it feels like they will be all yeah, it

749
00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:10.000
<v Speaker 3>does feel like this is the this is just where

750
00:38:10.079 --> 00:38:14.840
<v Speaker 3>it is they did for you from I'm gonna watch

751
00:38:14.840 --> 00:38:15.400
<v Speaker 3>Mitch Garver.

752
00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:20.119
<v Speaker 2>Though, yeah they were. Mitch Garver is out, Rob Refsnider

753
00:38:20.239 --> 00:38:24.360
<v Speaker 2>is out. I'm not sure, like well you know why now? Yeah?

754
00:38:24.679 --> 00:38:29.360
<v Speaker 2>Why not a month for four months ago? But uh yeah,

755
00:38:29.519 --> 00:38:32.199
<v Speaker 2>Taylor word. But then Luke Greyley also out for the year,

756
00:38:32.800 --> 00:38:36.719
<v Speaker 2>like instantly, I think he was actually basically done before,

757
00:38:36.800 --> 00:38:39.239
<v Speaker 2>but he like the man is gonna make him play

758
00:38:39.360 --> 00:38:44.400
<v Speaker 2>on it because they didn'tyone else to play. And yeah,

759
00:38:44.440 --> 00:38:47.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, Johnny Parade is up, so you got your

760
00:38:47.079 --> 00:38:50.079
<v Speaker 2>thirty year old career backup catcher Weston Wilson still on

761
00:38:50.119 --> 00:38:54.480
<v Speaker 2>the team, like yeah, back Brendan Donham in his back.

762
00:38:55.719 --> 00:38:59.800
<v Speaker 1>Yes, we throughout that that podcast. Yeah, we kept saying

763
00:38:59.840 --> 00:39:03.159
<v Speaker 1>like they're waiting on him. It was ours the day

764
00:39:03.840 --> 00:39:04.679
<v Speaker 1>before we posted.

765
00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:08.880
<v Speaker 2>But like JB. Crawford's still out, so cold Emerson in

766
00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:11.440
<v Speaker 2>his twol one batting average and two sixty ovp are

767
00:39:11.480 --> 00:39:14.320
<v Speaker 2>still in the lineup, and.

768
00:39:14.519 --> 00:39:17.199
<v Speaker 3>This is the pitching hasn't been quite as good as

769
00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:20.559
<v Speaker 3>you'd have hoped sort of, I think probably like with

770
00:39:20.679 --> 00:39:23.519
<v Speaker 3>the Guardians, right, Like the Eras don't look awful, but

771
00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:26.840
<v Speaker 3>based on the quality of picture, you'd expect them all

772
00:39:26.920 --> 00:39:28.079
<v Speaker 3>to sort of be a little bit better.

773
00:39:28.719 --> 00:39:32.320
<v Speaker 2>Logan Gilbert leaves starters in strikeouts per nine at nine

774
00:39:32.360 --> 00:39:32.840
<v Speaker 2>point four.

775
00:39:33.119 --> 00:39:35.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she was not. That's not like what you think

776
00:39:35.559 --> 00:39:37.800
<v Speaker 3>of the Maritors, right, you think of a lot of

777
00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:40.559
<v Speaker 3>guys throwing five innings the game but striking out seven

778
00:39:40.599 --> 00:39:41.760
<v Speaker 3>in those five hittings.

779
00:39:41.840 --> 00:39:44.159
<v Speaker 2>Right. And also, it's not like the defense on this

780
00:39:44.280 --> 00:39:49.480
<v Speaker 2>team is good. So if you've got you've got all

781
00:39:49.559 --> 00:39:51.719
<v Speaker 2>these pitchers who are suddenly giving up more contact and

782
00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:54.280
<v Speaker 2>it's going to you know, seven guys.

783
00:39:55.639 --> 00:39:58.679
<v Speaker 1>George Kirby I think is the biggest issue. Sure, if

784
00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:02.239
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about the rotation, like and and he hasn't

785
00:40:02.280 --> 00:40:06.800
<v Speaker 1>been outright bad, but he this is a guy who

786
00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:11.199
<v Speaker 1>was a dark horse for the cy Young repeatedly, like

787
00:40:11.440 --> 00:40:13.000
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people really liked him.

788
00:40:13.039 --> 00:40:14.039
<v Speaker 2>I really liked him.

789
00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:17.320
<v Speaker 1>But like he there's he had two seasons where his

790
00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:20.079
<v Speaker 1>walks per nine were basically one right where he led

791
00:40:20.079 --> 00:40:21.760
<v Speaker 1>the league. Last year it was two point one. This

792
00:40:21.880 --> 00:40:25.400
<v Speaker 1>year's one point nine. One point excuse me, but like

793
00:40:26.159 --> 00:40:32.239
<v Speaker 1>that's double. Yeah, essentially, and and he's losing strikeouts. Last

794
00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:34.639
<v Speaker 1>year he was up closer to ten. This year he's

795
00:40:34.639 --> 00:40:38.079
<v Speaker 1>at eight. So like he kept the walks and lost

796
00:40:38.159 --> 00:40:40.000
<v Speaker 1>the strikeouts and and.

797
00:40:40.039 --> 00:40:42.719
<v Speaker 2>Still leads the league and hits aloud, which he did

798
00:40:42.760 --> 00:40:43.559
<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty four.

799
00:40:43.639 --> 00:40:46.360
<v Speaker 1>But because he was right you see, he's always around

800
00:40:46.360 --> 00:40:48.679
<v Speaker 1>the zone. Yeah, I mean, I guess he's always around

801
00:40:48.760 --> 00:40:49.360
<v Speaker 1>the zone.

802
00:40:49.280 --> 00:40:53.199
<v Speaker 2>Right, Like you do have to wonder if he was

803
00:40:53.239 --> 00:40:56.480
<v Speaker 2>one of the pitchers who most got punished by the

804
00:40:57.719 --> 00:41:00.440
<v Speaker 2>by the the rise and Wikes walked around the read

805
00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:11.239
<v Speaker 2>because of Maybes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's interesting. I

806
00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:12.719
<v Speaker 2>don't I don't think there's a good answer. Like I

807
00:41:13.079 --> 00:41:15.199
<v Speaker 2>the thing is that like the Mariners, we're talking about

808
00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:17.159
<v Speaker 2>trading one of these guys and Kirby's name did come up.

809
00:41:18.679 --> 00:41:22.239
<v Speaker 2>They don't have anyone to backfill, and well they have

810
00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:25.559
<v Speaker 2>Kate Kate Anderson. But Kate Anderson is gonna have to

811
00:41:25.599 --> 00:41:28.559
<v Speaker 2>fill for like em, we're staying cock next week, right,

812
00:41:28.719 --> 00:41:31.159
<v Speaker 2>like somebody will be injured between now and when the

813
00:41:31.199 --> 00:41:33.679
<v Speaker 2>podcast goes up, because that's how the Mariners have gone

814
00:41:33.760 --> 00:41:41.719
<v Speaker 2>this year. It's you know, yeah, right, they call Kate Anderson.

815
00:41:41.599 --> 00:41:43.400
<v Speaker 3>The starters have been a little bit worse than last year.

816
00:41:43.519 --> 00:41:45.400
<v Speaker 3>The all has been a little bit worse than last year,

817
00:41:46.039 --> 00:41:47.239
<v Speaker 3>and the offense has been a lot.

818
00:41:47.159 --> 00:41:49.519
<v Speaker 2>Worse and the bench and the bench has been exposed,

819
00:41:51.239 --> 00:41:53.639
<v Speaker 2>which it feels like it should every year. This year

820
00:41:53.679 --> 00:41:59.840
<v Speaker 2>in particular, it's feeling very exposed. Yep. Yeah. I mean

821
00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:02.480
<v Speaker 2>with Donovan Beck if he I don't think he's a

822
00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:05.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, one thirty ops plus guy like he's he

823
00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:08.920
<v Speaker 2>wasn't a small sample, but like the competency will will

824
00:42:09.039 --> 00:42:14.519
<v Speaker 2>do a lot for this team. Yes, it with cal

825
00:42:14.599 --> 00:42:16.320
<v Speaker 2>and Josh Naylor are both hitting the way they are,

826
00:42:16.440 --> 00:42:17.360
<v Speaker 2>I don't team can.

827
00:42:17.519 --> 00:42:20.079
<v Speaker 3>And Julio hasn't. We keep talking about like a second

828
00:42:20.119 --> 00:42:22.800
<v Speaker 3>half Julio, but now we're at like third third Julio.

829
00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:25.559
<v Speaker 3>Now her fourth quarter Julio, and it's still a one

830
00:42:25.679 --> 00:42:27.280
<v Speaker 3>fourteen Yep.

831
00:42:27.760 --> 00:42:29.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean this is this is where he did

832
00:42:29.760 --> 00:42:32.119
<v Speaker 1>that one year he did take off was like just

833
00:42:32.199 --> 00:42:35.360
<v Speaker 1>August was one of the most scendiary things seen. But

834
00:42:35.400 --> 00:42:38.639
<v Speaker 1>we're also a week into August now, and look.

835
00:42:38.519 --> 00:42:40.199
<v Speaker 3>The main reason I'm calling them fraud is they couldn't

836
00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:42.079
<v Speaker 3>get a run off Drew Anderson and then lost fourteen

837
00:42:42.199 --> 00:42:42.880
<v Speaker 3>nothing yesterday.

838
00:42:44.480 --> 00:42:48.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean that's I think the Tigers, we don't

839
00:42:48.119 --> 00:42:51.320
<v Speaker 1>have this as as sure a subject, but like the

840
00:42:51.400 --> 00:42:53.719
<v Speaker 1>Tigers and Orioles are both a game out of a

841
00:42:53.760 --> 00:42:54.639
<v Speaker 1>playoff spot.

842
00:42:54.519 --> 00:42:57.039
<v Speaker 3>Right now, I mean selling.

843
00:42:57.119 --> 00:43:03.559
<v Speaker 1>There was some discussion in the comments of Maddie Maddie's

844
00:43:03.599 --> 00:43:07.079
<v Speaker 1>piece on the Rutchman trade from Baltimore Folks, and it

845
00:43:07.239 --> 00:43:13.199
<v Speaker 1>was like pleasant discussion, to be clear, but like there

846
00:43:13.280 --> 00:43:14.920
<v Speaker 1>was kind of a sentiment that like on a on

847
00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:20.880
<v Speaker 1>a production and timeline aspect, like trading Rushman wasn't as

848
00:43:20.880 --> 00:43:23.519
<v Speaker 1>big a deal as it, like that the Oriels weren't

849
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:26.760
<v Speaker 1>really taking as big a step back as as it

850
00:43:26.880 --> 00:43:29.960
<v Speaker 1>kind of seemed. And I don't know that I agree.

851
00:43:29.960 --> 00:43:31.639
<v Speaker 1>I understand where they're coming from.

852
00:43:31.960 --> 00:43:33.960
<v Speaker 3>Right, he's not playing right now, right, so it's like

853
00:43:34.280 --> 00:43:35.239
<v Speaker 3>he's not playing, which.

854
00:43:35.039 --> 00:43:37.039
<v Speaker 1>Is part of their argument was that like he's not

855
00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:38.800
<v Speaker 1>on the field and it's not clear when he's going

856
00:43:38.880 --> 00:43:43.159
<v Speaker 1>to be on the field, which is absolutely fair and

857
00:43:43.880 --> 00:43:46.159
<v Speaker 1>but but you know, like they also traded Tailor Ward,

858
00:43:46.280 --> 00:43:50.360
<v Speaker 1>who was I don't even I'm not gonna I'm not

859
00:43:50.400 --> 00:43:52.880
<v Speaker 1>really gonna try and defend Tailor Ward, but like he

860
00:43:53.039 --> 00:43:54.480
<v Speaker 1>was their one productive outfielder.

861
00:43:55.920 --> 00:43:59.159
<v Speaker 2>I don't it wasn't great production. I don't like the

862
00:43:59.239 --> 00:44:02.639
<v Speaker 2>shape of the product, but he was the one like

863
00:44:03.079 --> 00:44:05.599
<v Speaker 2>it's hard to say this wasn't selling on the season.

864
00:44:05.719 --> 00:44:07.559
<v Speaker 1>Now you can sell in the season and the al

865
00:44:07.719 --> 00:44:11.079
<v Speaker 1>is so bad, right, that's the thing that it doesn't matter,

866
00:44:11.519 --> 00:44:12.519
<v Speaker 1>Like you don't I don't.

867
00:44:12.360 --> 00:44:14.440
<v Speaker 3>Think you get to use that argument when you're three

868
00:44:14.480 --> 00:44:16.800
<v Speaker 3>games under five hundred and still in a playoffs, right,

869
00:44:16.840 --> 00:44:19.000
<v Speaker 3>Like you don't get to say, yeah.

870
00:44:20.440 --> 00:44:24.000
<v Speaker 2>It's particularly they were insane. It was actively like not.

871
00:44:24.199 --> 00:44:26.599
<v Speaker 1>They were just kind of saying like this is over selling,

872
00:44:26.760 --> 00:44:30.559
<v Speaker 1>like they're not going into a rebuild. Which if you

873
00:44:30.679 --> 00:44:34.280
<v Speaker 1>want to quibble with rebuild and say it's a reset

874
00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:37.199
<v Speaker 1>or reload or you know whatever, I think that's fine

875
00:44:37.599 --> 00:44:38.639
<v Speaker 1>if you prefer one of them.

876
00:44:38.719 --> 00:44:39.960
<v Speaker 3>To say that, But like, what are they going to

877
00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:42.440
<v Speaker 3>say when they trade Gunner Henderson this offseason? Then do

878
00:44:42.440 --> 00:44:44.000
<v Speaker 3>you get to say it the rebuild like this is

879
00:44:44.039 --> 00:44:48.039
<v Speaker 3>a probably probably yeah yeah, but this is like, you know,

880
00:44:48.079 --> 00:44:50.119
<v Speaker 3>there's some noise here, but there's some signal here too,

881
00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:52.400
<v Speaker 3>right of what what that plans are.

882
00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:55.280
<v Speaker 2>It can be both a good trade and also feels

883
00:44:55.480 --> 00:44:59.199
<v Speaker 2>the Rustman trade especially felt like an off season trade. Sure,

884
00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:02.039
<v Speaker 2>it's it's the sort of deal you make in the

885
00:45:02.079 --> 00:45:03.880
<v Speaker 2>off season where you're like, we are going to we

886
00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:06.320
<v Speaker 2>have looked, we have the we have all the time

887
00:45:06.400 --> 00:45:08.760
<v Speaker 2>to evaluate, and we have decided this is the direction

888
00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:11.519
<v Speaker 2>we need to go. When these things come together in

889
00:45:11.599 --> 00:45:13.760
<v Speaker 2>two days of the deadline, it does not feel like

890
00:45:13.880 --> 00:45:15.159
<v Speaker 2>it could still be the right move.

891
00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:18.159
<v Speaker 3>I think some of it if they got the Red

892
00:45:18.199 --> 00:45:21.320
<v Speaker 3>Sox to pay a premium here, Yeah, because Rushman for

893
00:45:21.360 --> 00:45:23.800
<v Speaker 3>the rest of the season, and you know in a

894
00:45:23.840 --> 00:45:26.760
<v Speaker 3>situation where the where those additional wins that he gives

895
00:45:26.760 --> 00:45:31.199
<v Speaker 3>you over Connor Wong are going to be very meaningful,

896
00:45:32.079 --> 00:45:32.599
<v Speaker 3>and it.

897
00:45:32.800 --> 00:45:35.280
<v Speaker 2>Could be just a price because he's healthy for the playoffs,

898
00:45:35.320 --> 00:45:40.239
<v Speaker 2>which seem very like if they seem in a very very.

899
00:45:40.119 --> 00:45:42.639
<v Speaker 3>Good position for the place Crochet is throwing now too.

900
00:45:42.840 --> 00:45:45.920
<v Speaker 2>So it's just never going to feel for Baltimore on

901
00:45:46.039 --> 00:45:48.400
<v Speaker 2>these kind of traits like this was part of a

902
00:45:49.360 --> 00:45:51.639
<v Speaker 2>calculated visionary plan.

903
00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:52.679
<v Speaker 3>And as you can.

904
00:45:54.760 --> 00:45:56.559
<v Speaker 2>I do want to be clear the commenters were not

905
00:45:57.480 --> 00:46:01.960
<v Speaker 2>arguing that, but I've seen so about it, like it's

906
00:46:02.039 --> 00:46:04.000
<v Speaker 2>just kind of like I get it. I get how

907
00:46:04.159 --> 00:46:05.280
<v Speaker 2>you can react that way about it.

908
00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:07.480
<v Speaker 3>It's just you can say, like we're gonna like this

909
00:46:07.639 --> 00:46:09.280
<v Speaker 3>is just you know that we took the deals on

910
00:46:09.360 --> 00:46:12.360
<v Speaker 3>the table, and I know your GM is, Like, I

911
00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:16.320
<v Speaker 3>know your GM is, Come on now, this was You've

912
00:46:16.320 --> 00:46:18.679
<v Speaker 3>also got the owner saying I spent three times as

913
00:46:18.719 --> 00:46:20.760
<v Speaker 3>much money to lose more games. So that's always something

914
00:46:20.800 --> 00:46:21.239
<v Speaker 3>you want to hear.

915
00:46:22.159 --> 00:46:25.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean he did say something about how it's

916
00:46:25.480 --> 00:46:28.119
<v Speaker 1>like a civic responsibility to try and win, which I

917
00:46:28.159 --> 00:46:29.880
<v Speaker 1>guess you would want to hear. I don't know if

918
00:46:29.920 --> 00:46:33.840
<v Speaker 1>you want to believe I would say it. Yeah, I

919
00:46:33.960 --> 00:46:34.800
<v Speaker 1>know you're Yeah.

920
00:46:34.880 --> 00:46:37.000
<v Speaker 2>I think the other part of it for me was

921
00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:43.159
<v Speaker 2>I don't think you can take this trade in a vacuum. Sure, right,

922
00:46:43.440 --> 00:46:45.960
<v Speaker 2>like Michael Lias.

923
00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:49.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's unfair to say Michael Ias prefers

924
00:46:49.400 --> 00:46:56.440
<v Speaker 1>to rebuild strong, but the cashing in the prophect. He

925
00:46:56.480 --> 00:46:58.280
<v Speaker 1>does not want to be on the other side of

926
00:46:58.360 --> 00:46:58.960
<v Speaker 1>this trade, right.

927
00:46:59.039 --> 00:47:01.880
<v Speaker 3>He wants to get you know, the eighteen years of

928
00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:04.119
<v Speaker 3>control of the two pictures in India Zokar.

929
00:47:04.280 --> 00:47:07.239
<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, well that's what I'm saying, Like, I don't

930
00:47:07.280 --> 00:47:09.159
<v Speaker 1>think he wants to be on the other side of this,

931
00:47:09.320 --> 00:47:11.679
<v Speaker 1>and he missed his windows and so when you trade

932
00:47:11.719 --> 00:47:14.239
<v Speaker 1>Adlie Ritchman. Whether he's on the field or not at

933
00:47:14.280 --> 00:47:18.559
<v Speaker 1>the time, and whether most of his bounce back season

934
00:47:18.639 --> 00:47:22.800
<v Speaker 1>happened in April or not, it is just because of

935
00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:25.280
<v Speaker 1>who he is. It is symbolic, right, he was the

936
00:47:25.480 --> 00:47:26.039
<v Speaker 1>one one.

937
00:47:27.320 --> 00:47:30.440
<v Speaker 2>He was the start of this when his arrival, When

938
00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:33.840
<v Speaker 2>when he arrived, it was there the beginning of their ascension.

939
00:47:34.760 --> 00:47:38.800
<v Speaker 2>It is. And I'm not saying that part matters more

940
00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:42.039
<v Speaker 2>than the on field part. It doesn't, but it's part

941
00:47:42.119 --> 00:47:45.880
<v Speaker 2>of it. It's part of the context of the move

942
00:47:46.039 --> 00:47:50.519
<v Speaker 2>and whyatt feel, you know, whyat why we wrote what

943
00:47:50.639 --> 00:47:52.239
<v Speaker 2>we wrote in a lot of ways. You know.

944
00:47:52.840 --> 00:47:54.559
<v Speaker 3>The other part of it too is like for all

945
00:47:54.719 --> 00:47:58.679
<v Speaker 3>his you know, consternation about by trades and things like that,

946
00:47:59.239 --> 00:48:02.519
<v Speaker 3>like if he has been as he claims, you know,

947
00:48:02.800 --> 00:48:05.440
<v Speaker 3>keeping staying up at night thinking about his prospects. You

948
00:48:05.440 --> 00:48:07.239
<v Speaker 3>should all don't know which prospects of trade in the

949
00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:10.280
<v Speaker 3>by trades. And look the Corbyn Burns trade there. They

950
00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:12.840
<v Speaker 3>did not get burned on that, right, No, Like Burns

951
00:48:12.920 --> 00:48:14.920
<v Speaker 3>came in was very good. I know we didn't. You know,

952
00:48:14.960 --> 00:48:16.480
<v Speaker 3>he pitched well in the playoffs in the one game

953
00:48:16.559 --> 00:48:20.800
<v Speaker 3>that he pitched, and like everything and like Joey ortiz

954
00:48:21.039 --> 00:48:24.159
<v Speaker 3>Is had won pretty nice. You know, I was a

955
00:48:24.199 --> 00:48:25.920
<v Speaker 3>bench guy in d L Halls or Relieve they can't

956
00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:29.840
<v Speaker 3>stay healthy and all those weeable when they made the trade,

957
00:48:29.880 --> 00:48:31.079
<v Speaker 3>if you were ironically though.

958
00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:32.519
<v Speaker 1>The smaller move that they may I mean not that

959
00:48:32.639 --> 00:48:34.559
<v Speaker 1>it's really I think it's worked out for both sides, right,

960
00:48:34.599 --> 00:48:36.760
<v Speaker 1>But the Trevor Rodgers looked really bad at first, and

961
00:48:36.840 --> 00:48:41.119
<v Speaker 1>then he traded Kyle Stowers was good and it's been fine.

962
00:48:41.159 --> 00:48:44.320
<v Speaker 1>Now Rogers has been more than good enough. Sure since

963
00:48:45.559 --> 00:48:48.679
<v Speaker 1>the rough start to compensate for that. But you know,

964
00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:52.800
<v Speaker 1>it's not like he's killing the smaller trades where he's

965
00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:57.199
<v Speaker 1>where where they're giving up kind of the less premium

966
00:48:57.400 --> 00:49:01.360
<v Speaker 1>prospects for less premium guys and making something out of it.

967
00:49:01.519 --> 00:49:05.840
<v Speaker 2>Right, So I don't know. But I also think, like

968
00:49:05.920 --> 00:49:10.840
<v Speaker 2>we haven't talked about Detroit that much, but like, if

969
00:49:10.920 --> 00:49:13.880
<v Speaker 2>Detroit makes the playoffs, is it a victory for Scott

970
00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:18.039
<v Speaker 2>Harris or does it look more foolish than keeping I'm serious,

971
00:49:18.119 --> 00:49:20.639
<v Speaker 2>Like what makes the playoffs? In one sense, if they

972
00:49:20.679 --> 00:49:22.719
<v Speaker 2>get bumped in the first round, it's going to look pretty.

973
00:49:22.519 --> 00:49:25.719
<v Speaker 1>Bad, right, Well, right, I guess I guess that that's

974
00:49:25.760 --> 00:49:29.719
<v Speaker 1>the answer is it depends what they do. But is

975
00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:33.400
<v Speaker 1>that fair if it's all post talk, Like, is that fair?

976
00:49:35.000 --> 00:49:38.199
<v Speaker 1>I mean they here's the thing about your point. They're

977
00:49:38.199 --> 00:49:41.320
<v Speaker 1>a game back and they have a plus eighty run deferential.

978
00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:45.400
<v Speaker 1>Everyone ahead of them is essentially minus thirty or work.

979
00:49:45.519 --> 00:49:49.199
<v Speaker 3>The Tigers were probably better enough than the rest of

980
00:49:49.239 --> 00:49:51.960
<v Speaker 3>the team in this wildcard race that they could lose

981
00:49:51.960 --> 00:49:54.719
<v Speaker 3>their two starting pitchers, their two best starting pitchers this

982
00:49:54.840 --> 00:49:57.920
<v Speaker 3>year and id even what you think about Troy Melton

983
00:49:59.280 --> 00:50:01.559
<v Speaker 3>and still be better than the teams around them for

984
00:50:01.679 --> 00:50:05.000
<v Speaker 3>the third wildcard spot, right, especially after calling up Max Clark,

985
00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:09.079
<v Speaker 3>I think to supplement that out guild, Like I don't

986
00:50:09.119 --> 00:50:11.119
<v Speaker 3>think it, But what it does do is they're going

987
00:50:11.159 --> 00:50:13.679
<v Speaker 3>to go into a playoff series with Troy Melton and

988
00:50:13.719 --> 00:50:14.400
<v Speaker 3>Kyder Montero.

989
00:50:14.800 --> 00:50:17.639
<v Speaker 1>Right well, I think they're going to go into a

990
00:50:17.679 --> 00:50:22.880
<v Speaker 1>playoff series health pending with Troy Melton and Jackson Job

991
00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:23.679
<v Speaker 1>and River Ryan.

992
00:50:23.800 --> 00:50:23.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

993
00:50:23.960 --> 00:50:24.280
<v Speaker 3>How many?

994
00:50:24.440 --> 00:50:24.639
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

995
00:50:24.719 --> 00:50:27.280
<v Speaker 3>How many innings? Like if you want to use Jackson

996
00:50:27.400 --> 00:50:29.519
<v Speaker 3>Job and River Ryan as part of like you know,

997
00:50:29.639 --> 00:50:32.639
<v Speaker 3>pitching chaos with Brent Herder and Kyder Montero, like fine,

998
00:50:32.880 --> 00:50:34.559
<v Speaker 3>and they might they can do it. And look, that's

999
00:50:35.039 --> 00:50:36.639
<v Speaker 3>but they could have done that anyway for Game three

1000
00:50:36.760 --> 00:50:40.360
<v Speaker 3>behind Schooble and Myze, right, like, if they wanted to.

1001
00:50:41.400 --> 00:50:44.039
<v Speaker 3>I think it is going it. Look, not having Terry

1002
00:50:44.079 --> 00:50:46.360
<v Speaker 3>Scoobel and Casey ma is going to impact their ability

1003
00:50:46.400 --> 00:50:47.800
<v Speaker 3>to make a deep run in the playoffs if they

1004
00:50:47.840 --> 00:50:48.159
<v Speaker 3>get there.

1005
00:50:48.679 --> 00:50:53.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, all right, let's take a break and we'll

1006
00:50:53.199 --> 00:51:17.800
<v Speaker 1>be back with the rest of the show. We're back

1007
00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:21.519
<v Speaker 1>with episode five hundred and sixty nine of five and Dive.

1008
00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:24.199
<v Speaker 1>We are on our third segment, Slow news week.

1009
00:51:25.760 --> 00:51:29.639
<v Speaker 3>Mh, it hasn't been a slow news week, but no,

1010
00:51:31.159 --> 00:51:33.639
<v Speaker 3>there's been some stuff though. There has been some stuff.

1011
00:51:34.559 --> 00:51:36.679
<v Speaker 2>I want to start with the second.

1012
00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:39.159
<v Speaker 3>Okay, I'll get the exact quote.

1013
00:51:39.199 --> 00:51:41.920
<v Speaker 2>Then that is that well, because Jeffrey, that is this

1014
00:51:42.119 --> 00:51:46.159
<v Speaker 2>is to me, Yeah, the essence, ye the soul of

1015
00:51:46.280 --> 00:51:49.800
<v Speaker 2>slow news weeks. And also and also such a good

1016
00:51:49.960 --> 00:51:54.880
<v Speaker 2>summary of how baseball players yeh think, yes, how they

1017
00:51:54.960 --> 00:51:59.199
<v Speaker 2>behave with each other. Weird mythos of the this is

1018
00:51:59.280 --> 00:52:03.199
<v Speaker 2>this not rock it's just close to baseball gets And

1019
00:52:03.239 --> 00:52:04.920
<v Speaker 2>then one of the reasons why is that it's not

1020
00:52:05.039 --> 00:52:07.320
<v Speaker 2>trying to be funny. No, I think it is.

1021
00:52:07.480 --> 00:52:09.639
<v Speaker 3>If you look at showed Himna's face in this photo,

1022
00:52:09.679 --> 00:52:12.400
<v Speaker 3>and he is a big grin on his face. He's like,

1023
00:52:12.679 --> 00:52:13.400
<v Speaker 3>you want to see the photo?

1024
00:52:13.400 --> 00:52:15.199
<v Speaker 2>Here? Does see the photo? Also, you want to know

1025
00:52:15.239 --> 00:52:17.159
<v Speaker 2>what I have for breakfast today? Like, I'll just tell

1026
00:52:17.199 --> 00:52:17.800
<v Speaker 2>you some facts.

1027
00:52:18.119 --> 00:52:21.119
<v Speaker 3>So anyway, at foul Territory TV showed him. Monaga credits

1028
00:52:21.480 --> 00:52:24.480
<v Speaker 3>success in his past nine starts to changing his phone

1029
00:52:24.559 --> 00:52:26.559
<v Speaker 3>lock screen to this photo of Ben Brown on the

1030
00:52:26.639 --> 00:52:31.239
<v Speaker 3>training table, which he calls Lucky Benjamin cry laughing emoji.

1031
00:52:32.880 --> 00:52:34.880
<v Speaker 2>Jeff, I I would ask when you post this if

1032
00:52:34.880 --> 00:52:35.440
<v Speaker 2>you could link.

1033
00:52:35.599 --> 00:52:38.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I won't put it to the photo. I will

1034
00:52:38.360 --> 00:52:42.239
<v Speaker 3>describe it. It's just like Ben Brown, like face down

1035
00:52:42.280 --> 00:52:45.800
<v Speaker 3>on one of those little like toilet toilet seat shaped

1036
00:52:45.920 --> 00:52:47.360
<v Speaker 3>massage headdress.

1037
00:52:47.400 --> 00:52:48.360
<v Speaker 2>It's where you put your face.

1038
00:52:48.519 --> 00:52:50.480
<v Speaker 3>It's where you put your face when you're getting their.

1039
00:52:50.400 --> 00:52:54.639
<v Speaker 2>Massage in your back or whatever. Uh it is. It's

1040
00:52:54.679 --> 00:52:58.119
<v Speaker 2>a but yeah, this is just this is dude's rock

1041
00:52:58.239 --> 00:53:00.840
<v Speaker 2>to me. Yeah, this is, by the way, Lucky Benjamin

1042
00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:05.440
<v Speaker 2>good friends with Sleepy Pete. Yeah. What about spooky heat,

1043
00:53:05.719 --> 00:53:09.559
<v Speaker 2>spoaky spooky heah.

1044
00:53:09.840 --> 00:53:13.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I love this, not Lucky Ben, it's Lucky Benjamin

1045
00:53:13.920 --> 00:53:14.440
<v Speaker 3>makes it fun.

1046
00:53:14.719 --> 00:53:20.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely absolutely, Uh, I have nothing else sad at.

1047
00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:27.239
<v Speaker 1>The first item was Ronald Rakunya Homer's off to Marlins.

1048
00:53:28.639 --> 00:53:30.559
<v Speaker 2>H and as as our doc says.

1049
00:53:30.440 --> 00:53:32.519
<v Speaker 3>No, not like that, but also but he did have

1050
00:53:32.599 --> 00:53:34.400
<v Speaker 3>two home runs. He did have two home runs off.

1051
00:53:35.159 --> 00:53:37.199
<v Speaker 3>One of them was off to Marlin's outfielders.

1052
00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:40.880
<v Speaker 2>Yes, well it was really off one outfielder, but.

1053
00:53:41.000 --> 00:53:43.800
<v Speaker 3>Did not get like the full like pinball, like tilt.

1054
00:53:43.960 --> 00:53:45.079
<v Speaker 3>I feel like he like hit.

1055
00:53:47.360 --> 00:53:50.119
<v Speaker 1>No, Patrick, you asked a philosophical Yes, I did, and

1056
00:53:50.199 --> 00:53:51.719
<v Speaker 1>I thought I thought it was valid.

1057
00:53:51.519 --> 00:53:54.360
<v Speaker 2>For the show. It's really like because when I watched it,

1058
00:53:54.519 --> 00:53:57.599
<v Speaker 2>I had a particular reaction, and I'm curious how many

1059
00:53:57.679 --> 00:54:00.679
<v Speaker 2>people had my reaction, how many people have the reactions. Basically,

1060
00:54:00.760 --> 00:54:03.199
<v Speaker 2>if you took then if you filed off the names

1061
00:54:03.679 --> 00:54:07.079
<v Speaker 2>and the teams and just saw this animation as just

1062
00:54:07.199 --> 00:54:10.400
<v Speaker 2>like a thing, a baseball thing that happened, like if

1063
00:54:10.440 --> 00:54:12.559
<v Speaker 2>you saw it like a high school game between two

1064
00:54:12.559 --> 00:54:15.199
<v Speaker 2>teams you didn't care about, are you more likely to

1065
00:54:15.280 --> 00:54:18.159
<v Speaker 2>be excited that the thing happened or feel bad for

1066
00:54:18.239 --> 00:54:21.039
<v Speaker 2>the two outfielders that it happened. Because I watched it

1067
00:54:21.119 --> 00:54:23.239
<v Speaker 2>and I went, oh, those poor guys.

1068
00:54:23.559 --> 00:54:27.079
<v Speaker 3>I actually do feel I feel a little bit bad

1069
00:54:27.159 --> 00:54:28.320
<v Speaker 3>because they.

1070
00:54:28.239 --> 00:54:31.760
<v Speaker 2>Were both making the good conversion.

1071
00:54:31.639 --> 00:54:35.920
<v Speaker 3>Better communication there probably, yes, but like that was a.

1072
00:54:35.920 --> 00:54:38.400
<v Speaker 2>Spot where it was actually like above average defense for

1073
00:54:38.480 --> 00:54:40.440
<v Speaker 2>either of them to get to there, like it was

1074
00:54:40.480 --> 00:54:45.920
<v Speaker 2>in the gap. And so it's like, oh, I did

1075
00:54:46.039 --> 00:54:48.440
<v Speaker 2>show the clip after you asked that, Patrick, I shared

1076
00:54:48.440 --> 00:54:52.320
<v Speaker 2>the clip to my wife and her her reaction was

1077
00:54:52.480 --> 00:54:55.480
<v Speaker 2>ultimately feel bad for the app y. Yeah, I mean,

1078
00:54:55.559 --> 00:54:58.119
<v Speaker 2>also it looks like it hurt, right, Like there's that

1079
00:54:58.280 --> 00:54:59.440
<v Speaker 2>that already she did.

1080
00:54:59.639 --> 00:55:03.119
<v Speaker 1>She did say, like, I do feel bad for them,

1081
00:55:03.199 --> 00:55:06.519
<v Speaker 1>but they are professionals and they're supposed to they're supposed

1082
00:55:06.559 --> 00:55:07.800
<v Speaker 1>to be able to communicate, and.

1083
00:55:07.840 --> 00:55:10.159
<v Speaker 3>That probably game right.

1084
00:55:10.559 --> 00:55:14.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, but I think I I think on this one,

1085
00:55:14.840 --> 00:55:17.320
<v Speaker 2>if we did a poll, I can feel bad would win?

1086
00:55:17.559 --> 00:55:20.840
<v Speaker 2>I think so too. I think I think because.

1087
00:55:20.719 --> 00:55:24.800
<v Speaker 3>It's not funny enough. It's not like hitting off Jose's head, right,

1088
00:55:24.920 --> 00:55:25.960
<v Speaker 3>It's just she.

1089
00:55:26.079 --> 00:55:28.719
<v Speaker 1>Did delight in Ronald mccunya just stopping at first base,

1090
00:55:28.960 --> 00:55:29.360
<v Speaker 1>being like.

1091
00:55:29.599 --> 00:55:31.920
<v Speaker 2>Yes, that was good, that was good. Like I don't

1092
00:55:31.920 --> 00:55:36.280
<v Speaker 2>trust this, but like if it weren't for the injury factor,

1093
00:55:37.599 --> 00:55:39.360
<v Speaker 2>then because you know, when you know, when when you

1094
00:55:39.440 --> 00:55:40.880
<v Speaker 2>see Jose can say to be hit in the head.

1095
00:55:40.920 --> 00:55:42.840
<v Speaker 2>You're like, oh, did he actually crack his skull? Like

1096
00:55:42.960 --> 00:55:48.079
<v Speaker 2>is there damage here? It was just like yeah, exactly.

1097
00:55:51.599 --> 00:55:53.360
<v Speaker 2>You need you need both the players to hop up

1098
00:55:53.400 --> 00:55:55.320
<v Speaker 2>and give the thumbs up, you know, and then then

1099
00:55:55.480 --> 00:55:56.480
<v Speaker 2>like okay, all right.

1100
00:55:57.559 --> 00:56:01.440
<v Speaker 1>Speaking of hopping up, Yes, Jeffrey on this year, he

1101
00:56:01.559 --> 00:56:04.440
<v Speaker 1>sure is h He's that a long road.

1102
00:56:04.840 --> 00:56:07.639
<v Speaker 3>Yes, it's an incredible backstory and.

1103
00:56:07.639 --> 00:56:08.039
<v Speaker 5>A lot of time.

1104
00:56:08.079 --> 00:56:11.320
<v Speaker 2>I did see someone say he stopped playing for five years,

1105
00:56:11.360 --> 00:56:14.440
<v Speaker 2>but he's been was that well before because he's been

1106
00:56:14.519 --> 00:56:17.880
<v Speaker 2>pitching the story in the Dominican Winter Leagues and stuff.

1107
00:56:18.000 --> 00:56:20.760
<v Speaker 3>Yes, so like, uh, I forget the Diamondbacks Org. I

1108
00:56:20.800 --> 00:56:24.119
<v Speaker 3>think I don't remember exactly, but basically they wanted to

1109
00:56:24.199 --> 00:56:26.360
<v Speaker 3>send him back to the DFL for a third year.

1110
00:56:26.920 --> 00:56:30.280
<v Speaker 3>He just left the team to become a roofer and

1111
00:56:30.360 --> 00:56:32.000
<v Speaker 3>then like he was pitching semi pro. I think he

1112
00:56:32.039 --> 00:56:34.639
<v Speaker 3>was probably pitching a winter ball too, but didn't get

1113
00:56:34.679 --> 00:56:37.480
<v Speaker 3>back into like affiliated baseball Okay, So it was affiliated

1114
00:56:37.480 --> 00:56:41.079
<v Speaker 3>ball okay, and that has like he's bounced around. He

1115
00:56:41.199 --> 00:56:44.159
<v Speaker 3>was with the Rockies. I think last year the Mets signed. Look,

1116
00:56:44.199 --> 00:56:46.360
<v Speaker 3>he's been he deserves to me up. He's striking out

1117
00:56:46.360 --> 00:56:49.400
<v Speaker 3>twenty batters for nine in triple A. Like, yes, he

1118
00:56:49.519 --> 00:56:52.000
<v Speaker 3>throws one from the left side with a good slider,

1119
00:56:52.119 --> 00:56:55.519
<v Speaker 3>like this is is it that hard? I always yeah,

1120
00:56:55.800 --> 00:56:58.239
<v Speaker 3>oh yeah he was. He might have been a little amped,

1121
00:56:58.320 --> 00:57:02.960
<v Speaker 3>but it's it's gonna be up nineties. And but if

1122
00:57:03.000 --> 00:57:05.280
<v Speaker 3>you know about Jeffrey On, you know about him for

1123
00:57:05.400 --> 00:57:08.519
<v Speaker 3>his strikeout celebration, which he does every single time he

1124
00:57:08.559 --> 00:57:11.639
<v Speaker 3>gets a strikeout. Not only that, if he gets two

1125
00:57:11.679 --> 00:57:14.280
<v Speaker 3>strikes on a batter, he starts doing it after every

1126
00:57:14.400 --> 00:57:19.440
<v Speaker 3>pitch in case it is a strikeout, you' mi. He

1127
00:57:19.559 --> 00:57:21.159
<v Speaker 3>is in mid air when the ball is hit. When

1128
00:57:21.199 --> 00:57:23.079
<v Speaker 3>it he wouldn't made it to make a play on it,

1129
00:57:23.119 --> 00:57:24.679
<v Speaker 3>but there was one up the middle for a base hit,

1130
00:57:24.719 --> 00:57:29.840
<v Speaker 3>but he was. He gets like yeah, he is the

1131
00:57:30.039 --> 00:57:33.159
<v Speaker 3>probably the best argument for pictures as athletes because he

1132
00:57:33.239 --> 00:57:35.280
<v Speaker 3>had like the hops on it. The actual way he

1133
00:57:35.360 --> 00:57:37.199
<v Speaker 3>gets there is impressive.

1134
00:57:37.559 --> 00:57:39.880
<v Speaker 2>And now here's my reaction, and this this is more

1135
00:57:39.920 --> 00:57:43.320
<v Speaker 2>an indictment on me than anything, is that there can

1136
00:57:43.400 --> 00:57:45.840
<v Speaker 2>be metrics about this, right, I want to say the

1137
00:57:45.920 --> 00:57:48.760
<v Speaker 2>aging curve is demonstrated by the height, yes that he

1138
00:57:48.880 --> 00:57:50.639
<v Speaker 2>gets on these jumps because as he hits.

1139
00:57:54.280 --> 00:57:56.320
<v Speaker 3>With the Hawkeye. How high he's getting.

1140
00:57:56.760 --> 00:57:59.719
<v Speaker 2>Those are cameras, Yeah, they can, they can absolutely measure that.

1141
00:58:00.159 --> 00:58:03.760
<v Speaker 2>I mean, we're getting released release, we can definitely get.

1142
00:58:04.519 --> 00:58:06.159
<v Speaker 3>So he did, he did get. He did get two

1143
00:58:06.199 --> 00:58:09.519
<v Speaker 3>strikeouts in the inning and did the Uh. The best

1144
00:58:09.559 --> 00:58:13.039
<v Speaker 3>way I can describe it is a pre fight animation

1145
00:58:13.199 --> 00:58:16.480
<v Speaker 3>from a tech and video game. Basically, he jumps.

1146
00:58:16.320 --> 00:58:21.199
<v Speaker 1>Up, there's a very animated elements how he lands. Yea,

1147
00:58:21.719 --> 00:58:25.440
<v Speaker 1>it's not quite the superhero landing like, but when they

1148
00:58:25.719 --> 00:58:29.280
<v Speaker 1>launch into a like before a fight, but it's it's Yeah.

1149
00:58:29.639 --> 00:58:31.920
<v Speaker 2>Can you imagine the discourse that will happen the first

1150
00:58:31.920 --> 00:58:33.880
<v Speaker 2>time somebody with two strikes hits a comebacker?

1151
00:58:34.159 --> 00:58:34.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

1152
00:58:34.559 --> 00:58:38.840
<v Speaker 2>No, I don't. I mean I don't. I mean, I

1153
00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:40.679
<v Speaker 2>don't caricature, but I don't.

1154
00:58:40.719 --> 00:58:42.800
<v Speaker 3>I think it just I do think there is at

1155
00:58:42.840 --> 00:58:45.360
<v Speaker 3>this point, there is the best one.

1156
00:58:45.639 --> 00:58:49.519
<v Speaker 2>Until until there's a fight, like like someone will get

1157
00:58:49.599 --> 00:58:51.400
<v Speaker 2>there will be We were red asked about that.

1158
00:58:51.519 --> 00:58:55.559
<v Speaker 3>We have been discussing, like what what game and team

1159
00:58:55.599 --> 00:58:58.719
<v Speaker 3>it will happen. My current pick is next week against

1160
00:58:58.719 --> 00:58:59.280
<v Speaker 3>Matt Chapman.

1161
00:58:59.800 --> 00:59:04.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's that's a long tough season alone.

1162
00:59:04.679 --> 00:59:06.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but Tello, I don't think has a leg to

1163
00:59:06.840 --> 00:59:08.639
<v Speaker 3>stand on here as a college coach, though, because all

1164
00:59:08.639 --> 00:59:12.239
<v Speaker 3>the dumb stuff they do, they're also the ones that

1165
00:59:12.320 --> 00:59:15.440
<v Speaker 3>are so for Gilbert the one that like got ejected

1166
00:59:15.480 --> 00:59:17.360
<v Speaker 3>from the umpire had to like push him up the

1167
00:59:17.440 --> 00:59:20.719
<v Speaker 3>first baseline when he was a Vitello because he was

1168
00:59:20.760 --> 00:59:21.719
<v Speaker 3>like watching the home run.

1169
00:59:22.360 --> 00:59:23.880
<v Speaker 2>Uh so.

1170
00:59:26.360 --> 00:59:30.480
<v Speaker 3>That's the they did prep Keith Hernandez. But what was

1171
00:59:30.519 --> 00:59:33.039
<v Speaker 3>going to happen, but he was aware of it.

1172
00:59:33.079 --> 00:59:35.239
<v Speaker 2>When I was what was Keith's reaction?

1173
00:59:35.480 --> 00:59:38.360
<v Speaker 3>Keith was like he's like before he Keith was not

1174
00:59:38.480 --> 00:59:41.239
<v Speaker 3>happy about the existence of this thing. But then Gary

1175
00:59:41.280 --> 00:59:42.679
<v Speaker 3>asked him like, well have you seen It's like, I

1176
00:59:42.719 --> 00:59:45.800
<v Speaker 3>don't know what it actually looks like. But he was

1177
00:59:45.920 --> 00:59:49.079
<v Speaker 3>just like he like a little some old man grumbling.

1178
00:59:49.199 --> 00:59:51.599
<v Speaker 2>There would be a good article about the reaction.

1179
00:59:51.760 --> 00:59:55.000
<v Speaker 1>I just feel like I feel like Keith would experience.

1180
00:59:54.559 --> 00:59:55.719
<v Speaker 2>Real grief over this.

1181
00:59:55.920 --> 00:59:57.480
<v Speaker 3>I think I think he probably is, like it.

1182
00:59:59.719 --> 01:00:01.239
<v Speaker 1>H it hurts, it hurts him.

1183
01:00:01.440 --> 01:00:05.039
<v Speaker 3>My favorite moment in the Jeffrey On inning, he had

1184
01:00:05.119 --> 01:00:06.920
<v Speaker 3>up like loading the bases. He had two singles on

1185
01:00:07.000 --> 01:00:09.639
<v Speaker 3>a walk in there too, but uh he struck out

1186
01:00:09.760 --> 01:00:11.679
<v Speaker 3>chased the latter on a check swing where he probably

1187
01:00:11.760 --> 01:00:14.480
<v Speaker 3>didn't actually go around, but he did not wait for

1188
01:00:14.559 --> 01:00:17.360
<v Speaker 3>the third base umpire to signal to strike. He just

1189
01:00:17.480 --> 01:00:22.360
<v Speaker 3>went and did the celebration. Anyway, he might have seen

1190
01:00:22.360 --> 01:00:23.719
<v Speaker 3>it out of the corner of his eye in midair.

1191
01:00:23.840 --> 01:00:25.400
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I don't know if he can pull

1192
01:00:25.440 --> 01:00:27.480
<v Speaker 3>out once he starts, But I mean it.

1193
01:00:27.559 --> 01:00:28.920
<v Speaker 2>Is a little to pat you spints.

1194
01:00:29.000 --> 01:00:31.480
<v Speaker 1>It's a little like the strut, you know, like you're

1195
01:00:31.519 --> 01:00:33.920
<v Speaker 1>trying it, like it's it's just like, yeah, I got it,

1196
01:00:34.360 --> 01:00:35.800
<v Speaker 1>I got it, I got it.

1197
01:00:36.199 --> 01:00:39.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. He got asked in the postgame, what does he say?

1198
01:00:39.920 --> 01:00:42.320
<v Speaker 3>What it had feel like? Play people like or.

1199
01:00:42.760 --> 01:00:47.159
<v Speaker 2>The batter taking the close pitch for ball, it's time

1200
01:00:47.199 --> 01:00:48.760
<v Speaker 2>to go. Uh.

1201
01:00:48.880 --> 01:00:50.639
<v Speaker 3>He got asked in the post game, like, what do

1202
01:00:50.679 --> 01:00:53.079
<v Speaker 3>you say to other players that you know might be

1203
01:00:53.400 --> 01:00:55.199
<v Speaker 3>a little offended at you doing that?

1204
01:00:55.239 --> 01:00:55.400
<v Speaker 2>After?

1205
01:00:55.880 --> 01:00:58.960
<v Speaker 3>I don't think about other players. I don't think about it, yeah,

1206
01:01:01.320 --> 01:01:05.880
<v Speaker 3>don Draper, I don't think about them. Yeah, basically, And

1207
01:01:05.960 --> 01:01:07.639
<v Speaker 3>look when you throw one hundred and one and strike

1208
01:01:07.679 --> 01:01:10.639
<v Speaker 3>out nineteen for nine and look like, but my favorite

1209
01:01:10.679 --> 01:01:12.840
<v Speaker 3>moment is going to be But I don't know what

1210
01:01:12.920 --> 01:01:15.880
<v Speaker 3>player it's going to be. Maybe JT. Real Mudo tries

1211
01:01:16.000 --> 01:01:18.760
<v Speaker 3>to hits a home run off and tries to show

1212
01:01:18.800 --> 01:01:20.159
<v Speaker 3>him up by doing it at home plate and just

1213
01:01:20.199 --> 01:01:24.519
<v Speaker 3>like completely blows out their knees, like you like, this

1214
01:01:24.719 --> 01:01:27.239
<v Speaker 3>is a like this is a crazy athletic move. If

1215
01:01:27.280 --> 01:01:29.880
<v Speaker 3>you look at him, he's like tall and like kind

1216
01:01:29.920 --> 01:01:31.239
<v Speaker 3>of wiry, but like again.

1217
01:01:32.239 --> 01:01:37.039
<v Speaker 1>Is not attempting to you need someone's he's too much

1218
01:01:37.079 --> 01:01:37.679
<v Speaker 1>of a veteran.

1219
01:01:38.119 --> 01:01:44.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah you Frnando Tatooth the Padres next month. I think.

1220
01:01:46.320 --> 01:01:51.199
<v Speaker 2>That's that's possible. Yeah, I was gonna say, like I

1221
01:01:51.280 --> 01:01:54.280
<v Speaker 2>think I think like I don't think he'd do it

1222
01:01:54.280 --> 01:01:55.920
<v Speaker 2>because I don't think he'd taken enough offense.

1223
01:01:55.960 --> 01:01:58.639
<v Speaker 3>But like Bryce Harper, sure, yeah, I don't think Bryce

1224
01:01:58.679 --> 01:01:59.039
<v Speaker 3>would care.

1225
01:01:59.079 --> 01:02:00.119
<v Speaker 2>I don't think Bryce would do it.

1226
01:02:00.639 --> 01:02:03.039
<v Speaker 3>Would be like a little annoyed and perhaps like amused

1227
01:02:03.079 --> 01:02:04.760
<v Speaker 3>by the whole thing. But he's not good yet.

1228
01:02:04.800 --> 01:02:06.320
<v Speaker 1>No, no, I don't think he has the temperament to

1229
01:02:06.559 --> 01:02:08.280
<v Speaker 1>try and do it, but like he like he also

1230
01:02:08.440 --> 01:02:08.840
<v Speaker 1>I think.

1231
01:02:08.760 --> 01:02:10.960
<v Speaker 3>Also like a lot of these players that would do it,

1232
01:02:11.119 --> 01:02:12.920
<v Speaker 3>like past it like I can't. I'm not gonna I

1233
01:02:13.000 --> 01:02:15.599
<v Speaker 3>can't physically do that. I'm old, Like I'm not gonna like, yeah,

1234
01:02:16.000 --> 01:02:18.639
<v Speaker 3>I'm not gonna use my finite baseball life energy to

1235
01:02:19.320 --> 01:02:20.920
<v Speaker 3>attempt that, Like, it's not like I can just do

1236
01:02:21.000 --> 01:02:23.599
<v Speaker 3>the avenue Rebay crotch chop back at him, right, yes.

1237
01:02:23.679 --> 01:02:30.079
<v Speaker 1>Right, right, exactly exactly, and then we have a pronunciation update.

1238
01:02:30.280 --> 01:02:33.559
<v Speaker 3>Yes, so we I have not seen any from the listeners,

1239
01:02:33.880 --> 01:02:37.199
<v Speaker 3>but I was distraught to learn one. When I was

1240
01:02:37.239 --> 01:02:41.679
<v Speaker 3>writing up the Jeff Hoffman trade, I couldn't remember who

1241
01:02:41.719 --> 01:02:43.760
<v Speaker 3>exactly was in it, so I searched Jeff Offfman Trade,

1242
01:02:44.079 --> 01:02:47.960
<v Speaker 3>and I learned that what I had been saying Desson Hill.

1243
01:02:48.039 --> 01:02:50.679
<v Speaker 2>For the last how I would have said it two years?

1244
01:02:51.119 --> 01:02:54.159
<v Speaker 3>Uh, it just said Desson Hill rhymes with Jason.

1245
01:02:56.079 --> 01:02:58.320
<v Speaker 2>Does it is it? Is it a weird like d

1246
01:02:58.800 --> 01:02:59.519
<v Speaker 2>Jayson or.

1247
01:03:01.559 --> 01:03:02.239
<v Speaker 3>Jason Hill.

1248
01:03:04.079 --> 01:03:05.800
<v Speaker 2>I thought you were telling me it was Jason Hill,

1249
01:03:05.920 --> 01:03:08.000
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, I don't like. I don't like

1250
01:03:08.119 --> 01:03:10.159
<v Speaker 2>that D is j in this situation. But it's a

1251
01:03:10.239 --> 01:03:11.719
<v Speaker 2>much more standard name.

1252
01:03:11.800 --> 01:03:13.639
<v Speaker 3>I suppose it's dayson Hill.

1253
01:03:14.000 --> 01:03:19.239
<v Speaker 1>Jason Hill, Okay, sounds less like a sedan.

1254
01:03:19.599 --> 01:03:28.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well Dotson Hill over on Dotson Hill. Okay, Jason Hill.

1255
01:03:28.639 --> 01:03:28.880
<v Speaker 2>Got it.

1256
01:03:30.559 --> 01:03:33.039
<v Speaker 1>We'll go to our fourth segment around the Horn. As

1257
01:03:33.119 --> 01:03:36.440
<v Speaker 1>we mentioned earlier on Hell, hanw has been called up

1258
01:03:37.039 --> 01:03:38.159
<v Speaker 1>for Cleveland.

1259
01:03:38.440 --> 01:03:41.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, got hits in his first four at bats to yeh.

1260
01:03:42.800 --> 01:03:44.960
<v Speaker 2>Didn't he gets error himself?

1261
01:03:45.119 --> 01:03:47.599
<v Speaker 3>He made two. I know he was game losing, but

1262
01:03:47.639 --> 01:03:49.280
<v Speaker 3>he did make two errors on one play.

1263
01:03:52.239 --> 01:03:56.480
<v Speaker 1>Elsewhere in the in the central Jeffrey and I played

1264
01:03:56.679 --> 01:03:59.639
<v Speaker 1>a brief game right before the podcast. Well, while Patrick

1265
01:03:59.760 --> 01:04:03.800
<v Speaker 1>was retrieving something was who played short stop for the

1266
01:04:03.840 --> 01:04:04.920
<v Speaker 1>Minnesota Twins this year?

1267
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<v Speaker 2>Can you it was four names?

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<v Speaker 3>Four names?

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<v Speaker 2>Patrick? Can you get two of them? Well, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>Tristan Gray was playing in the game. I went to,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, big advantage. Well brooks Lee has played it

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<v Speaker 2>for a while. Yeah, yeah, that's thank you. Do you

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<v Speaker 2>do you know the any either of the other two?

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<v Speaker 4>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>Pro and I forgot some of the others. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm looking up and no, I did not remember Orlando.

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<v Speaker 2>See it was on this team. I can't believe Orlando

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<v Speaker 2>is thirty one years old. That's wild.

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<v Speaker 3>Also, Ryan Criedler, Oh right, sure, sure, I'm not gonna remember.

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<v Speaker 2>Now it's gonna be Calen Culpepper Jeft.

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<v Speaker 3>He's fine, you say, incredibly large group of average tools

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01:04:56.280 --> 01:04:58.679
<v Speaker 3>and can play short stop, so he's perfect for the

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01:04:58.719 --> 01:04:59.519
<v Speaker 3>Minnesota Twins.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>Patrick and I were discussing this before Craig got on,

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01:05:04.719 --> 01:05:07.239
<v Speaker 3>and I'm feeling like there's like some early Jorge Polanco

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<v Speaker 3>vibes here. The better shortstop than Polanco, less power probably, okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>but like, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Look forward, I look forward to him playing first base

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<v Speaker 2>for the man.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think to seventy like a four to fifty

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<v Speaker 3>or sorry, to seventy was like a seven to fifty.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh ps there you Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you did you want to? I know you said

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01:05:27.760 --> 01:05:29.599
<v Speaker 1>what Hanaw did? Do you want to have a small

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<v Speaker 1>rundown on.

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<v Speaker 3>His Yeah, one of my favorite prospects the last few years. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>switch hitting middle and fielder, a little bit more power

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<v Speaker 3>from the right side, makes contact from both. Uh. They

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<v Speaker 3>played him a third ones and second ones probably like

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<v Speaker 3>he did not acquit himself great defensively at either of them.

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<v Speaker 3>But uh should probably be the short stop long term here.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's not.

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01:05:54.599 --> 01:05:59.559
<v Speaker 1>He's not quite as good, but like as an overall player.

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<v Speaker 3>They're gonna play Bazana and second, Ramirez at third, so

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01:06:01.840 --> 01:06:03.280
<v Speaker 3>you got to find a spot for him. And he's

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<v Speaker 3>a better overall player than Rokio, so right, I think

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<v Speaker 3>they'll just keep kind of like obviously Ramirez is dealing

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01:06:09.159 --> 01:06:12.920
<v Speaker 3>with a hand issue. You know, you can sit Bazana

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<v Speaker 3>against the odd lefty so they can find or Ramirez

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<v Speaker 3>my dh some as well. That's more complicated now that

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<v Speaker 3>they've added both low and a doll and addition to

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01:06:22.760 --> 01:06:26.119
<v Speaker 3>the water. So but I think they'll find four days

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<v Speaker 3>a week for him down the stretch.

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<v Speaker 1>Seems reasonable. We also mentioned Brendan Donovan is back. That

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<v Speaker 1>happened again, I think, as Patrick said, before we got

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast out, but we were they were waiting waiting

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<v Speaker 1>on it.

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<v Speaker 3>They were waiting on him, and I was waiting on

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<v Speaker 3>the audio. The four hours of audio files too.

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<v Speaker 2>No, not not. It was not a criticism.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I would have headed out before he played if

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<v Speaker 3>the audio files didn't take forever to convert because they

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<v Speaker 3>were four hours long.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it was not. It was not a criticism.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just that that they brought him back. That thing. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we talked about this on the the podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't we yea the interesting thing? I guess you know

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<v Speaker 2>reporting on it now.

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<v Speaker 3>That he turned it down.

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<v Speaker 2>But he turned it down, apparently I was able to

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<v Speaker 2>find that. I'm not haven't been able to corroborate that.

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<v Speaker 2>Spencer Strider was supposed to be part of the package

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<v Speaker 2>heading the uh, which is interesting. But yeah, so the

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<v Speaker 2>break's gonna used to grumb they should have it's too bad.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm It's like it's one of those situations for the

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<v Speaker 2>players and every has every right to say no, and

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<v Speaker 2>also the players.

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<v Speaker 1>It's essentially like I'm a little surprised. I mean, I

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01:07:41.199 --> 01:07:45.079
<v Speaker 1>know he's I know he has like regional preferences or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>But Atlanta talk to you.

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<v Speaker 3>Talked to Atlanta when he was a free agent too.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah he was not like not it's closer to his home,

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01:07:52.159 --> 01:07:55.800
<v Speaker 3>which is Florida, man, Yes, Florida man.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so I am, I am a little surprised.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean I think I I think he would have

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01:08:00.719 --> 01:08:01.840
<v Speaker 3>done it in the officeas then he might just not

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01:08:01.920 --> 01:08:03.960
<v Speaker 3>want to do it mid season mid season. Sure, sure,

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01:08:04.679 --> 01:08:07.679
<v Speaker 3>I do wonder if they revisit this, and like you're

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<v Speaker 3>going at the obviously the Braves are going to make

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01:08:10.559 --> 01:08:14.079
<v Speaker 3>the playoffs, but like the Rangers might. It's that it's

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<v Speaker 3>not like he's leaving in a spot right situation. Yeah, yeah,

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01:08:17.720 --> 01:08:19.119
<v Speaker 3>they're in a playoffs about right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Nick Pavetta couldn't make it through a rehab start. So

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<v Speaker 2>the interesting thing here, yeah, is that Pavetta has a

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<v Speaker 2>option in this contract that if he spends more than

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and thirty days with an injury during this

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<v Speaker 2>year or last, it's a fourteen conditional fourteen million dollar

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01:08:44.159 --> 01:08:48.520
<v Speaker 2>club option that kicks in, which might still be too

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<v Speaker 2>much money for the brodtery instead of what he's got

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<v Speaker 2>his His deal is very weird. He has I think

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<v Speaker 2>he basically he had an eighteen million dollars salar for

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty eight. Yeah, but now if he can't make

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<v Speaker 2>it back, then that becomes a fourteen million ok club option,

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01:09:07.319 --> 01:09:09.640
<v Speaker 2>which the twenty down doesn't.

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<v Speaker 3>He already doesn't he have an opt out to?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if he is.

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<v Speaker 3>I know it is a very weird contract. I's not

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<v Speaker 3>for sorry, an opt out as well.

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<v Speaker 2>So I yeah, he did have an opt out for

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<v Speaker 2>this year. I don't know if the injury cancels the.

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<v Speaker 3>Opt out or if he keeps the opt out. But

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<v Speaker 3>if the option in, they get a yeah, yes, let's

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<v Speaker 3>make let's let's make baseball.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm looking at the language. Yeah. If at if at

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<v Speaker 2>any point in twenty twenty five or twenty twenty six,

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01:09:39.039 --> 01:09:42.199
<v Speaker 2>Paveta has a specified injury or related surgery, and spends

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01:09:42.199 --> 01:09:44.720
<v Speaker 2>one hundred and thirty or more consecutive days on the

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01:09:44.760 --> 01:09:48.000
<v Speaker 2>injured list in any season or one year period. San

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<v Speaker 2>Diego will have a fourteen million dollar club option for

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty seven. It was a fourteen million dollar player option,

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01:09:55.199 --> 01:09:57.880
<v Speaker 2>so it gotcha birth to a club option.

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01:09:58.119 --> 01:10:03.600
<v Speaker 1>And if the Padres decline, he's a free agent. So

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01:10:03.840 --> 01:10:06.720
<v Speaker 1>it's the same money, it just changes who gets to decide.

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01:10:07.000 --> 01:10:11.600
<v Speaker 3>Sure, right, the Padres will, It's entirely possible both sides

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01:10:11.600 --> 01:10:13.159
<v Speaker 3>here will still be happy for him to be a

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01:10:13.199 --> 01:10:17.880
<v Speaker 3>free agent declined as well, So right, and is he

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01:10:17.880 --> 01:10:19.800
<v Speaker 3>going to ad one hundred and thirty consecutive days? Like

1389
01:10:19.840 --> 01:10:20.960
<v Speaker 3>how much did he pitch this year?

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<v Speaker 2>If he like, if this setback is really won't make.

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01:10:25.359 --> 01:10:28.880
<v Speaker 3>Okay, but also like the Padres probably want him back,

1392
01:10:29.000 --> 01:10:31.159
<v Speaker 3>like the incentive to get him back for the playoff

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01:10:31.239 --> 01:10:31.760
<v Speaker 3>stretch run.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, I think they probably their first will be

1395
01:10:35.600 --> 01:10:39.039
<v Speaker 2>last outing was April twelfth.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Well, yeah, that's that's not gonna Yeah, he's he's

1397
01:10:42.000 --> 01:10:42.800
<v Speaker 3>he's up against it.

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01:10:43.960 --> 01:10:45.760
<v Speaker 1>So it will be a club option. Now, look, I

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01:10:45.840 --> 01:10:52.000
<v Speaker 1>think the Padres could justify fourteen million dollars for Paveta

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01:10:52.079 --> 01:10:54.640
<v Speaker 1>for next year. That's actually probably a good rate.

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01:10:54.760 --> 01:10:55.039
<v Speaker 2>Right the.

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01:10:56.520 --> 01:10:57.960
<v Speaker 3>Medicals than anybody else too.

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01:10:58.119 --> 01:11:02.239
<v Speaker 2>So the harder part is they opt into as Patrick noted,

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01:11:02.279 --> 01:11:07.279
<v Speaker 2>eighteen million for twenty twenty eight. Yeah, I think that's

1405
01:11:07.600 --> 01:11:15.039
<v Speaker 2>tougher for them. So you know, we'll see, we'll see

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01:11:15.079 --> 01:11:18.279
<v Speaker 2>that isn't that's interesting thing to track just added to

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01:11:18.359 --> 01:11:18.680
<v Speaker 2>the dock.

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01:11:19.119 --> 01:11:20.760
<v Speaker 1>Herman Marquez DFA.

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01:11:21.079 --> 01:11:23.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I did. I chose not to add that to

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01:11:23.199 --> 01:11:24.800
<v Speaker 3>the dock. We've done it.

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01:11:26.479 --> 01:11:29.760
<v Speaker 1>That's we've done it. It's happened. Hunter Green landed on

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01:11:29.800 --> 01:11:32.159
<v Speaker 1>the aisle. There was some trade heat around Hunter Green.

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01:11:32.239 --> 01:11:35.520
<v Speaker 1>It sounded like, I'm not sure what the plan would

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01:11:35.560 --> 01:11:38.279
<v Speaker 1>be for Cincinnati if they're willing to deal Hunter Green.

1415
01:11:38.560 --> 01:11:44.199
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, he's on the ile. And Tristan Cassas, who

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01:11:44.239 --> 01:11:50.439
<v Speaker 1>you've just remembered exists by virtue of jas has risk surgery.

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01:11:51.239 --> 01:11:53.560
<v Speaker 1>He definitely has one hundred and thirty days on the aisle.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, consecutively. The Reds, by the way, winner's the four

1419
01:11:58.319 --> 01:12:00.960
<v Speaker 2>straight and have passed the Pirates and wildcard race there

1420
01:12:01.640 --> 01:12:04.840
<v Speaker 2>four games back at the moment, who though the Reds

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01:12:04.960 --> 01:12:09.039
<v Speaker 2>the red their negative sixty brund differential second worst in

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01:12:09.079 --> 01:12:11.640
<v Speaker 2>the national League. That takes us to our game, which

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01:12:11.680 --> 01:12:18.439
<v Speaker 2>I will note Patrick, we solicited games from our audience.

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01:12:19.399 --> 01:12:22.600
<v Speaker 2>Someone provided one, yes, and you've opted against it. No. Yeah,

1425
01:12:22.680 --> 01:12:24.840
<v Speaker 2>mostly because I won't be here for the next two

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01:12:24.840 --> 01:12:26.880
<v Speaker 2>weeks and you can play again.

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01:12:27.079 --> 01:12:30.880
<v Speaker 1>Very kind, So we will also solicit games again.

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01:12:31.439 --> 01:12:34.640
<v Speaker 2>Yes. Yeah, if you have a game the next two

1429
01:12:34.640 --> 01:12:36.920
<v Speaker 2>weeks would be especially one that they can play without

1430
01:12:37.439 --> 01:12:40.239
<v Speaker 2>one of them knowing the answers. Uh, this would be

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01:12:40.279 --> 01:12:42.399
<v Speaker 2>a good time to submit it. It'd also be a

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01:12:42.439 --> 01:12:44.439
<v Speaker 2>good time with them just you know, like I don't know,

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01:12:45.239 --> 01:12:47.960
<v Speaker 2>pay someone to make it. I don't know. But in anytime,

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01:12:47.960 --> 01:12:51.039
<v Speaker 2>we're going to play tenty grid, So go ahead and

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01:12:51.399 --> 01:12:55.439
<v Speaker 2>get yourself ready. Let me bring up a I forgot

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01:12:55.479 --> 01:13:00.479
<v Speaker 2>to bring up a blank version too to show you guys.

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01:13:01.720 --> 01:13:04.239
<v Speaker 2>Let's see, can I do that with the game I

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01:13:04.359 --> 01:13:08.640
<v Speaker 2>bereave played? Yes, I can, so I will put this

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01:13:08.760 --> 01:13:11.079
<v Speaker 2>in the chat. The categories for the listeners at home,

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01:13:11.680 --> 01:13:14.760
<v Speaker 2>we have on the columns we have the Athletics, the

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01:13:14.840 --> 01:13:18.920
<v Speaker 2>Blue Jays, and two hundred hits in a season. And

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01:13:19.159 --> 01:13:23.560
<v Speaker 2>in the rows we have the Minnesota Twins, the Atlanta Braves,

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01:13:24.840 --> 01:13:27.640
<v Speaker 2>and six reference war in a season. All right, so

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01:13:27.800 --> 01:13:31.079
<v Speaker 2>let me send that into you in a chat so

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01:13:31.119 --> 01:13:32.840
<v Speaker 2>that you can look at it. Which you guys, Which

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01:13:32.880 --> 01:13:33.760
<v Speaker 2>you guys wants to go first?

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01:13:35.479 --> 01:13:38.680
<v Speaker 3>I won last time. I remember. I think I went

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01:13:38.720 --> 01:13:40.159
<v Speaker 3>first last time. So Craig can go first.

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01:13:40.199 --> 01:13:42.960
<v Speaker 2>All right, Craig, you go first. Let me pull up

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01:13:43.039 --> 01:13:50.520
<v Speaker 2>my doc and okay, Greg A's and Twins, I can,

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01:13:50.600 --> 01:13:52.680
<v Speaker 2>I can. I tell you the first name that came

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01:13:52.720 --> 01:13:56.520
<v Speaker 2>to mind. You can't is Nick Punto, Nick Punto, I

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01:13:56.560 --> 01:13:59.640
<v Speaker 2>don't know it. With rich Becker, I don't. I don't

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01:13:59.680 --> 01:14:03.800
<v Speaker 2>want to go there. You know you don't, but but

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01:14:03.960 --> 01:14:05.720
<v Speaker 2>it is the first name that came to mind. The

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01:14:05.840 --> 01:14:11.079
<v Speaker 2>rich Rich Becker played for the A's right, he had, Yes,

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01:14:11.119 --> 01:14:13.159
<v Speaker 2>he did weird little combo.

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01:14:13.800 --> 01:14:19.079
<v Speaker 1>I feel like, sure, there's gotta be like a big

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01:14:19.600 --> 01:14:20.640
<v Speaker 1>reliever crossover.

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01:14:20.680 --> 01:14:21.520
<v Speaker 3>I'm not thinking of.

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01:14:25.079 --> 01:14:28.079
<v Speaker 1>Boy, don't I'm gonna I have Nick Puncho on reserve,

1462
01:14:28.119 --> 01:14:29.279
<v Speaker 1>but I'm gonna skip at the moment.

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01:14:29.560 --> 01:14:33.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm not coming up with Twins and Blue Jays blue Jays.

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01:14:33.199 --> 01:14:36.640
<v Speaker 2>That that feels like there's a real why am I?

1465
01:14:42.079 --> 01:14:47.000
<v Speaker 2>Queens and blue Jays? Boy, we're off to a rough

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01:14:47.039 --> 01:14:58.560
<v Speaker 2>star guys. Excellent, definitely Why can't I even think of anyone? God,

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01:15:00.680 --> 01:15:09.000
<v Speaker 2>this is horrible. I patrick, yeah, yeah, it's a is there?

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01:15:09.119 --> 01:15:11.520
<v Speaker 2>It's it's like, there's like an obvious one, right, it's

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01:15:11.840 --> 01:15:14.880
<v Speaker 2>pretty grim. Yeah. I can't remember because I can't remember

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01:15:15.159 --> 01:15:17.479
<v Speaker 2>my own grid that I did. I got six out

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01:15:17.479 --> 01:15:18.840
<v Speaker 2>of ten or six out of a nine on this

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<v Speaker 2>one last time. Okay, Oh really bad. Yeah, I did

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01:15:21.840 --> 01:15:27.640
<v Speaker 2>not get this one. I will say, Okay, here was

1474
01:15:27.680 --> 01:15:31.640
<v Speaker 2>a fairly obvious one, is there? The score was twenty

1475
01:15:31.720 --> 01:15:34.359
<v Speaker 2>three percent on this category. Okay, I'm not it's not

1476
01:15:34.479 --> 01:15:38.720
<v Speaker 2>gonna go. I twins. Honestly, I keep thinking of ones.

1477
01:15:38.760 --> 01:15:40.479
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, maybe it's not this, but I can just

1478
01:15:40.520 --> 01:15:42.960
<v Speaker 1>say this and it's like borderline respectable. And then I'm like,

1479
01:15:43.000 --> 01:15:45.039
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if he played for one of these teams. Yeah,

1480
01:15:46.159 --> 01:15:51.880
<v Speaker 1>so that's that's pretty bad. Yeah, oh my god, Like

1481
01:15:52.039 --> 01:15:55.039
<v Speaker 1>what why don't they have any obvious ones?

1482
01:15:56.920 --> 01:16:01.119
<v Speaker 2>Again? I feel like this is oh, Jose Brios, what.

1483
01:16:03.119 --> 01:16:06.680
<v Speaker 1>Jesus, I'm sorry everyone, twins and two hundred hits in

1484
01:16:06.720 --> 01:16:07.399
<v Speaker 1>the season.

1485
01:16:08.239 --> 01:16:09.199
<v Speaker 2>Wins and two.

1486
01:16:09.720 --> 01:16:12.880
<v Speaker 1>Let's what do you have gotten there? Let's say Joe Mauer,

1487
01:16:13.760 --> 01:16:17.439
<v Speaker 1>he had a lot of hits, probably not enough as

1488
01:16:17.479 --> 01:16:18.039
<v Speaker 1>a catcher.

1489
01:16:17.920 --> 01:16:20.600
<v Speaker 2>Braves and athletics.

1490
01:16:21.640 --> 01:16:26.479
<v Speaker 1>Braves and a's uh. Let's we'll do recent history and

1491
01:16:26.600 --> 01:16:27.760
<v Speaker 1>say Matt Olson.

1492
01:16:27.880 --> 01:16:36.039
<v Speaker 2>Okay, braves and Blue Jays mm hmm, Braves and Blue Jays.

1493
01:16:39.279 --> 01:16:44.079
<v Speaker 1>Fred McGriff okay, Uh, braves and two hundred hits in

1494
01:16:44.119 --> 01:16:44.520
<v Speaker 1>the season.

1495
01:16:45.600 --> 01:16:47.760
<v Speaker 2>So Braves, braves and two hundred hits in a season

1496
01:16:49.279 --> 01:16:52.680
<v Speaker 2>I would have. I I have to assume I have

1497
01:16:52.760 --> 01:16:53.600
<v Speaker 2>to assume Mpoon you.

1498
01:16:53.640 --> 01:16:56.399
<v Speaker 1>Got there on that that year where he stopped striking out.

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01:16:56.720 --> 01:17:01.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna say, okay and a in six reference war.

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01:17:05.880 --> 01:17:08.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean it's probably like it's probably the one of

1501
01:17:09.000 --> 01:17:13.600
<v Speaker 2>the pitchers, right, or let's just do Ricky Ricky uh

1502
01:17:14.359 --> 01:17:16.960
<v Speaker 2>Blue Jays six reference war? Can I also go.

1503
01:17:20.079 --> 01:17:25.680
<v Speaker 4>Blue Jays and six reference war. Let's see, you have

1504
01:17:25.760 --> 01:17:29.079
<v Speaker 4>to assume one of the Vlad seasons that's that's most recent.

1505
01:17:31.359 --> 01:17:36.640
<v Speaker 4>I'm trying to think it's the question is like Vlad

1506
01:17:36.800 --> 01:17:39.960
<v Speaker 4>is most recent? He had the monster year like twenty

1507
01:17:40.039 --> 01:17:42.039
<v Speaker 4>twenty one, he would have been over it. But like

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01:17:42.199 --> 01:17:47.439
<v Speaker 4>Roy Halliday is the gimme uh? I feel like, but yeah,

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01:17:47.479 --> 01:17:51.880
<v Speaker 4>I'll go I'll go Halliday Okay, and finally he didn't get.

1510
01:17:51.760 --> 01:17:56.119
<v Speaker 2>There till Philly. No, he must have Finally, the two

1511
01:17:56.199 --> 01:17:58.159
<v Speaker 2>hundred hits in the season in six reference war in

1512
01:17:58.239 --> 01:18:03.680
<v Speaker 2>a season that just anyone anyone who, anyone great, who

1513
01:18:03.720 --> 01:18:08.439
<v Speaker 2>got two hundred hits on this I'll just go to Chiro, okay,

1514
01:18:09.239 --> 01:18:17.600
<v Speaker 2>and then back to twins. God, back to A's and twins.

1515
01:18:20.159 --> 01:18:22.399
<v Speaker 2>Do you remember is this one? Is this? This is

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01:18:22.520 --> 01:18:25.600
<v Speaker 2>like super obvious. I feel like I got it. Okay,

1517
01:18:25.800 --> 01:18:28.800
<v Speaker 2>it was it is the category that had the lowest

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01:18:29.039 --> 01:18:33.159
<v Speaker 2>high score. Okay, you know what I I don't have it.

1519
01:18:33.279 --> 01:18:35.119
<v Speaker 2>So I'm just gonna I'm gonna go with pa Okay,

1520
01:18:35.399 --> 01:18:37.680
<v Speaker 2>You're going with PoTA, all right, Yeah, I'm not gonna

1521
01:18:37.680 --> 01:18:41.239
<v Speaker 2>get it. It's we can admit defeat. If around and

1522
01:18:41.279 --> 01:18:44.359
<v Speaker 2>came back and had nothing and Nick put one, Okay,

1523
01:18:44.560 --> 01:18:47.720
<v Speaker 2>other people like minds with I don't know how many

1524
01:18:47.720 --> 01:18:49.840
<v Speaker 2>big people with Rich Becker. Well we'll never find out,

1525
01:18:50.199 --> 01:18:57.600
<v Speaker 2>all right, Uh, jeff Jeffrey, welcome back to the show.

1526
01:18:58.279 --> 01:19:03.079
<v Speaker 2>The number to beat is okay, Patrick got six, I

1527
01:19:03.119 --> 01:19:05.600
<v Speaker 2>got but the number to be is four. Okay, all right,

1528
01:19:05.880 --> 01:19:06.920
<v Speaker 2>A's and twins.

1529
01:19:07.560 --> 01:19:09.920
<v Speaker 3>You know, I try not to like spend too much

1530
01:19:10.000 --> 01:19:13.039
<v Speaker 3>time thinking about it to be fair, but like I

1531
01:19:13.079 --> 01:19:14.840
<v Speaker 3>did start thinking about because I saw this first one

1532
01:19:15.000 --> 01:19:17.520
<v Speaker 3>just like what it feels like it should be a tunnel.

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01:19:17.600 --> 01:19:19.840
<v Speaker 3>It feels like all of those Twins pitchers should have

1534
01:19:19.880 --> 01:19:21.199
<v Speaker 3>also pitched for the A's.

1535
01:19:22.800 --> 01:19:24.000
<v Speaker 2>Pitchers only pitch for the Twins.

1536
01:19:25.000 --> 01:19:27.520
<v Speaker 1>Tripped me up multiple times? Is I kept thinking of.

1537
01:19:28.760 --> 01:19:31.520
<v Speaker 3>Blackburn, Nick Paul Blackburn exactly.

1538
01:19:31.600 --> 01:19:34.720
<v Speaker 1>They're different, I think, but they're not really.

1539
01:19:36.760 --> 01:19:39.359
<v Speaker 3>I for some reason, I have in my head that

1540
01:19:39.399 --> 01:19:41.600
<v Speaker 3>Greg Gagney played for the A. So I'm just gonna

1541
01:19:41.600 --> 01:19:41.880
<v Speaker 3>go with that.

1542
01:19:46.439 --> 01:19:50.840
<v Speaker 2>A deep cut. Next Twins and Blue Jays, Jack Morris,

1543
01:19:53.960 --> 01:19:57.399
<v Speaker 2>all right, Next Twins and two hundred hits in a season,

1544
01:19:59.800 --> 01:20:03.399
<v Speaker 2>right carew all right? Next Braves and A's.

1545
01:20:04.319 --> 01:20:07.399
<v Speaker 3>Braves and A's. And I looked at this, I should

1546
01:20:07.439 --> 01:20:11.439
<v Speaker 3>remember it that it's Braves and A's. But uh, Matt Olsen.

1547
01:20:13.399 --> 01:20:15.000
<v Speaker 2>Next is Braves and Blue Jays.

1548
01:20:15.840 --> 01:20:22.479
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, my Mark Wohler's picture both. I'm pretty sure.

1549
01:20:24.880 --> 01:20:25.880
<v Speaker 2>You go with Mark Wohlers.

1550
01:20:26.000 --> 01:20:26.479
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I got.

1551
01:20:28.159 --> 01:20:29.359
<v Speaker 2>Braves and two hundred hits?

1552
01:20:31.000 --> 01:20:32.800
<v Speaker 3>Did I know Chipper had that season? He hit like

1553
01:20:32.880 --> 01:20:35.439
<v Speaker 3>three sixty, but he walked a lot and he missed time,

1554
01:20:37.399 --> 01:20:39.079
<v Speaker 3>like I kind of want to say, Eddie Matthews but

1555
01:20:39.279 --> 01:20:42.640
<v Speaker 3>if Chipper Jones has two hundred hits, he's definitely the

1556
01:20:42.680 --> 01:20:44.880
<v Speaker 3>answer and not Eddie Matthews. So I guess it comes

1557
01:20:44.920 --> 01:20:49.399
<v Speaker 3>down to do I believe Chipper Jones had although Eddie

1558
01:20:49.399 --> 01:20:51.319
<v Speaker 3>Matthews Eddie Matthews.

1559
01:20:51.479 --> 01:20:55.239
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I love how in a game called Trendy Grid. Yeah,

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01:20:58.439 --> 01:21:00.720
<v Speaker 2>it's just a lot of answer picks. Here A's and

1561
01:21:00.760 --> 01:21:01.680
<v Speaker 2>six reference born.

1562
01:21:01.560 --> 01:21:05.039
<v Speaker 3>A season, Rickey Henderson, Rickey Henderson.

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01:21:05.119 --> 01:21:09.359
<v Speaker 2>Okay. Next is Blue Jays and six born a season.

1564
01:21:11.079 --> 01:21:15.399
<v Speaker 3>I mean it's like a few different ways I can

1565
01:21:15.479 --> 01:21:21.399
<v Speaker 3>go here, like Vlad has the recency bias, Hallidays the

1566
01:21:21.479 --> 01:21:24.920
<v Speaker 3>more famous guy. I want to pick John Olerud, but

1567
01:21:24.960 --> 01:21:27.560
<v Speaker 3>I know it's not John Olerud, but shout out John Olerud.

1568
01:21:29.439 --> 01:21:38.760
<v Speaker 2>I will go with Lad all right. And lastly, sorry,

1569
01:21:38.800 --> 01:21:40.800
<v Speaker 2>I typed in the wrong name and you lost. Keep

1570
01:21:40.880 --> 01:21:43.399
<v Speaker 2>guessing six reference war and two hundred hits in a season?

1571
01:21:44.840 --> 01:21:45.319
<v Speaker 3>He true?

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01:21:46.079 --> 01:21:50.840
<v Speaker 2>All right? Uh, congratulations overlap, Jeffrey, Yeah, had some overlap,

1573
01:21:50.960 --> 01:21:54.239
<v Speaker 2>But congratulations to Jeffrey who wins five to four. Okay,

1574
01:21:55.119 --> 01:21:59.199
<v Speaker 2>you three that you've got completely wrong. Yeah, I don't

1575
01:21:59.239 --> 01:22:00.000
<v Speaker 2>see you got correct.

1576
01:22:00.600 --> 01:22:03.880
<v Speaker 3>I'm not gonna think too hard about nights. I'm sorry,

1577
01:22:03.920 --> 01:22:05.479
<v Speaker 3>I'm just not all right.

1578
01:22:05.520 --> 01:22:08.880
<v Speaker 2>So we'll go through the A's and twins. The most

1579
01:22:08.960 --> 01:22:11.560
<v Speaker 2>common category on hundred and ninety eight overlamp it is

1580
01:22:11.640 --> 01:22:15.399
<v Speaker 2>Josh Donaldson fifteen. Yeah, yeah, that makes one more sense. Yep.

1581
01:22:15.680 --> 01:22:17.640
<v Speaker 3>I don't remember his like, I know he played for

1582
01:22:17.720 --> 01:22:20.199
<v Speaker 3>the Twins, but that just justice for Shredder though.

1583
01:22:20.439 --> 01:22:24.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, Blue Jays and Twins. This this is a

1584
01:22:24.840 --> 01:22:29.840
<v Speaker 2>this is a real god. What's his name, Jim Tomy special,

1585
01:22:30.880 --> 01:22:33.119
<v Speaker 2>Jack Morris thirteen percent, not man but Paul.

1586
01:22:35.439 --> 01:22:40.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, I almost I thought about Paul and and

1587
01:22:40.159 --> 01:22:41.880
<v Speaker 1>then I I got scared I had.

1588
01:22:41.800 --> 01:22:42.479
<v Speaker 2>It wrong somehow.

1589
01:22:42.960 --> 01:22:45.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I just that makes sense, but like I just

1590
01:22:45.279 --> 01:22:46.520
<v Speaker 3>saw that my check Morris, like.

1591
01:22:46.560 --> 01:22:49.520
<v Speaker 2>That was ye I forgot Jack Morris played for the

1592
01:22:49.520 --> 01:22:50.159
<v Speaker 2>Blue Jays.

1593
01:22:50.000 --> 01:22:52.439
<v Speaker 3>Because bad in the playoffs for them.

1594
01:22:52.479 --> 01:22:58.279
<v Speaker 2>Actually Twins and j hit Rock Crew yep, yeah, correct,

1595
01:22:58.319 --> 01:23:01.199
<v Speaker 2>I thought about did didn't our get to two hundred?

1596
01:23:01.479 --> 01:23:02.720
<v Speaker 3>I don't like, I don't think he played it?

1597
01:23:02.760 --> 01:23:05.279
<v Speaker 1>Now, that was my that was my concern. I should

1598
01:23:05.319 --> 01:23:07.439
<v Speaker 1>have I thought about Carew and just didn't.

1599
01:23:08.520 --> 01:23:10.800
<v Speaker 2>Blue Jays and Braves is Fred McGriff That was twenty

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01:23:10.840 --> 01:23:11.199
<v Speaker 2>five percent.

1601
01:23:11.479 --> 01:23:13.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I should have gotten got.

1602
01:23:14.840 --> 01:23:18.279
<v Speaker 2>The Braves and two hundred hits in the season. Ronald

1603
01:23:18.319 --> 01:23:20.840
<v Speaker 2>the Queeny Jr. A real bad beat on this one.

1604
01:23:20.880 --> 01:23:24.199
<v Speaker 2>I will say, Creg thirty one is not the number one?

1605
01:23:25.479 --> 01:23:28.520
<v Speaker 2>Who is it? It's take Aaron. I don't know if

1606
01:23:29.920 --> 01:23:33.039
<v Speaker 2>that's okay, that's justified. I probably should have just said

1607
01:23:33.199 --> 01:23:37.159
<v Speaker 2>bank Arett. Yeah, said Ay Matthews. You might pick his

1608
01:23:37.600 --> 01:23:39.800
<v Speaker 2>more famous, better hitting teammate.

1609
01:23:39.960 --> 01:23:42.960
<v Speaker 3>Yep, well, thank, I should have assumed.

1610
01:23:43.600 --> 01:23:46.119
<v Speaker 2>But Jeffrey, you pulled it out because you've got the

1611
01:23:46.199 --> 01:23:48.359
<v Speaker 2>last three in a row. Correct, it's Ricky Henderson for

1612
01:23:48.399 --> 01:23:50.159
<v Speaker 2>the A's and six plus one. We all got that one.

1613
01:23:50.560 --> 01:23:57.960
<v Speaker 2>It is I also we're on the fence, and I

1614
01:23:58.079 --> 01:24:00.600
<v Speaker 2>went with Halliday as well, and then it is a

1615
01:24:00.720 --> 01:24:03.000
<v Speaker 2>tro for the six war season into it hit so

1616
01:24:03.000 --> 01:24:04.399
<v Speaker 2>that you both got that one. I went with Ted

1617
01:24:04.439 --> 01:24:07.199
<v Speaker 2>Williams because I always forget that Ted Williams has never

1618
01:24:07.239 --> 01:24:10.199
<v Speaker 2>gotten two hundred season. He will. I mean he's still

1619
01:24:10.319 --> 01:24:14.279
<v Speaker 2>he's still technically kind of alive, but I don't think

1620
01:24:14.319 --> 01:24:15.680
<v Speaker 2>he's gonna make it at this point.

1621
01:24:16.399 --> 01:24:19.760
<v Speaker 3>For tougher ara to hit it tough to hit it, especially.

1622
01:24:19.479 --> 01:24:23.520
<v Speaker 2>With all those walks. So yeah, congratulations to Jeffrey. You give.

1623
01:24:25.479 --> 01:24:27.279
<v Speaker 3>Walk more than bonds it is.

1624
01:24:27.920 --> 01:24:30.079
<v Speaker 1>I don't mind the bad beat on Incunia. I am

1625
01:24:30.159 --> 01:24:33.399
<v Speaker 1>frustrated at that. It came down to Vlad Halliday and

1626
01:24:33.479 --> 01:24:36.199
<v Speaker 1>we both we both seesaw it on it and and

1627
01:24:36.319 --> 01:24:38.439
<v Speaker 1>it went the wrong way. That is a little frustrated,

1628
01:24:38.479 --> 01:24:41.279
<v Speaker 1>but nice Win. Thank you for the game, Patrick. Thank

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01:24:41.279 --> 01:24:43.600
<v Speaker 1>you to our listeners for joining us on another episode

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