Speaker 1: A video called Son of an Area fifty one technician
Speaker 1: was making the rounds on YouTube in twenty fourteen. Someone
Speaker 1: ended up sharing something that stopped people mid scroll through
Speaker 1: the comments, and people wanted to know more and suggest
Speaker 1: to this person go back to this location and film
Speaker 1: his adventure, and that's where the story starts to go wrong.
Speaker 1: I'm Danielle, I'm Megan, and this is Off the Trails.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I think I know what this one is
Speaker 2: and I'm very much looking forward to hearing the detailed
Speaker 2: version of it because I only know the surface level
Speaker 2: version of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this has been on my list since we
Speaker 1: started this podcast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's definitely been like hovering there on the
Speaker 2: to do list.
Speaker 1: So I'm excited that you're doing it now.
Speaker 2: And if you are on Patreon then you are already
Speaker 2: aware that I have no voice. But for everyone else, yeah,
Speaker 2: we were really hoping that it would come back by now,
Speaker 2: but it's really doubling down on not wanting to be working. So,
Speaker 2: like we were saying earlier, it's a good thing. It's
Speaker 2: your week and I'm just listening with you guys.
Speaker 1: Well, maybe better luck next episode, but if we record
Speaker 1: our next Patreon this week. There sounds like they're going
Speaker 1: to get this as well. Very sorry. All right, So
Speaker 1: the comment that kicked off this whole story was that
Speaker 1: ain't nothing. I'm a long distance hiker. One time, during
Speaker 1: one of my hikes out by Nellis Air Force Base,
Speaker 1: I found a hidden cave. The entwest to the was
Speaker 1: shaped like a perfect capital M. I always enter every
Speaker 1: cave I find it's but as it began to enter
Speaker 1: this particular cave, my whole body began to vibrate. The
Speaker 1: closer I got to the cave entrance, the worst the
Speaker 1: vibrating became. Suddenly, I became very scared and I high
Speaker 1: tailed it out of there. That was one of the
Speaker 1: strangest things that ever happened to me. So I guess
Speaker 1: I probably should have live in a little bit of
Speaker 1: context like that this video. I mean, I guess everybody
Speaker 1: probably knows what Area fifty one is for the most part,
Speaker 1: I write, well, maybe not international listeners. So Area fifty
Speaker 1: one is supposedly where there was UFO crash activity or
Speaker 1: I don't know. Now, I'm like, do I know what
Speaker 1: Area fifty one is?
Speaker 2: It's a restricted government area essentially where the I I
Speaker 2: think that there's speculation of like top secret experiments and
Speaker 2: projects are going on. And as you said, like back
Speaker 2: in the would it have been like the fifties sixties
Speaker 2: with like UFOs that were supposedly crashed there and the
Speaker 2: government found these aliens and were you know then just
Speaker 2: studying them and all of that, and that's where they're
Speaker 2: being kept. So to this day it is still restricted
Speaker 2: and there is government activity there and they do have
Speaker 2: armed guards that keep people from it. So it is
Speaker 2: very much real. The question is what is actually going
Speaker 2: on there?
Speaker 1: I think regardless of what is or isn't going on there,
Speaker 1: the mystery and the allure and the draw of it
Speaker 1: still exists. Yeah. So it's actually on like my bucket list.
Speaker 1: The closest town.
Speaker 2: To it, like the closest you can legally be to it,
Speaker 2: it's this town called Rachel, Nevada, and I want to
Speaker 2: go so bad. It's this like kitchy little desert town.
Speaker 2: You can stay in a hotel that's called the Little Alien,
Speaker 2: and then they have like this little diner slash I
Speaker 2: don't know, maybe it's a restaurant and a bar, but
Speaker 2: it has all the UFO kind of like merchandise and
Speaker 2: decor and they really lean into the reputation of the
Speaker 2: area and it just looks so fun to visit.
Speaker 1: That does sound fun. So the user who left this
Speaker 1: comment was forty seven year old Las Vegas resident Kenny Veach.
Speaker 1: He also had his own YouTube channel and his username
Speaker 1: there is snake snake bit McGhee, like I want to
Speaker 1: snake bite McGee, but there's no eats snake bit McGee.
Speaker 1: And on his channel he had a few videos posted
Speaker 1: of his desert hikes and his shark take submission inventions. Okay,
Speaker 1: so I think very a very passive channel, Like definitely
Speaker 1: he did not have well at the time, he did
Speaker 1: not have a lot of viewers or subscribers or anything
Speaker 1: like that. And he got that user name because on
Speaker 1: one of his adventures he was bitten by a rattlesnake,
Speaker 1: and obviously it was like this would make a great
Speaker 1: user name.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I suppose that's like a very distinct event
Speaker 2: to happen in your life.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I've mentioned it before, but like
Speaker 1: my first like AOL screen name was Captain Desani because
Speaker 1: I would get a Dasani water out of the vending
Speaker 1: machine every day in high school. You know this was
Speaker 1: pre having an emotional support water bottle at all times,
Speaker 1: but you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah that is true. Yeah, I do still see your name.
Speaker 2: I feel like I randomly see it on different things
Speaker 2: where you've kept that used your name on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. My bank account from again when I like was sixteen,
Speaker 1: I user name as captain Desani. Still so funny. I'm
Speaker 1: like here, I am a full fledged adult, still using
Speaker 1: my Aol screen name as my financial product logins. So
Speaker 1: most of his inventions were kind of a bust. But
Speaker 1: he was pretty serious about hiking, and that was a
Speaker 1: hobby or interest that he really took interest in and
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time doing. There is I mean,
Speaker 1: I think even more so now than say ten or
Speaker 1: fifteen years ago. But everybody, I think a little bit
Speaker 1: of everybody at least likes to live vicariously through other people.
Speaker 1: I think that's a straw of the Internet, and when
Speaker 1: people travel to or live in places that most of
Speaker 1: us will never make it to in person, everybody loves
Speaker 1: to do the magic of the internet be able to
Speaker 1: also visit these places. So Kenny was, like I said,
Speaker 1: he wasn't super active posting videos on his channel, but
Speaker 1: he was very active in other forums and like comment
Speaker 1: sections and things like that, and he would often discuss
Speaker 1: his solo trips through the Mojave, the Great Basin, and
Speaker 1: hikes out in the Nevada backcountry. He would spend sometimes
Speaker 1: days at a time out in the desert alone, a
Speaker 1: lot of times minimal supplies. Although he hadn't even bitten
Speaker 1: by Riddle's sake, he continued to enjoy picking them up
Speaker 1: whenever he saw them, which is a hard pass for
Speaker 1: me and doesn't seem like a good idea. On some occasions,
Speaker 1: it sounds like he would have what most people will
Speaker 1: consider an unsafe level of supplies, just like, Oh I
Speaker 1: had a candy bar and a single bottle of water.
Speaker 1: You know that's that won't even get me through an afternoon. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's not enough. That's not enough to have on you. No,
Speaker 1: Although Kenny didn't post these kinds of videos, but like
Speaker 1: whenever I watch people posting videos of content of them
Speaker 1: being like out in the wilderness or like doing like
Speaker 1: survival type content, I always wonder what's really going on
Speaker 1: when the camera isn't rolling or what ends up getting
Speaker 1: edited out? Yeah? Yeah, because you know, I think I
Speaker 1: had watched several videos of a guy who like does
Speaker 1: these type of excursions on his own in Australia, and
Speaker 1: you know he's like, oh, I'm always I'm out here alone.
Speaker 1: I have no supplies, I have no GPS, no maps, whatever.
Speaker 1: But are these people really alone or are other people
Speaker 1: just not in the camera footage? Are they really doing
Speaker 1: this diy water filter thing and drinking out of a
Speaker 1: swamp for three days or are they like, say, I
Speaker 1: get my like water bladder filled.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think there are some people who are
Speaker 2: actually accurately portraying, like for sharing what their experience is.
Speaker 2: But you do see so many of those behind the
Speaker 2: scenes of content creation, where so much of it is fabricated.
Speaker 2: So it's always curious trying to differentiate between who's being
Speaker 2: more kind of genuine and what they're sharing versus who's
Speaker 2: not right.
Speaker 1: Because creators have the advantage of showing viewers what they
Speaker 1: want them to see, we have no way of knowing
Speaker 1: if this guy who says that he is eating scorpions
Speaker 1: and ants for a week, we don't know. He could
Speaker 1: turn off the camera and be like, yes, I have
Speaker 1: this killer sub and a soda and ice and it's great, yep,
Speaker 1: and Honestly, I guess either way, if you're just looking
Speaker 1: at it at entertainment value, enjoy it. Because I don't
Speaker 1: even want to pretend to eat scorpions. So yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: all set. Yeah, But Kenny, this is not, I guess
Speaker 1: a little bit of a sidetrack, but like just thinking
Speaker 1: about these forums and videos and things like that, where
Speaker 1: there are people doing these things, and just I think
Speaker 1: the the secure already also of having of just being
Speaker 1: like a keyboard what is the term keyboard warrior keyboard troll?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean keyboard warrior is like people who are
Speaker 2: like argumentative from the safety of their side of the
Speaker 2: computer screen. But I think there are there terms for
Speaker 2: depending on yeah someone.
Speaker 1: But basically like you can you can say whatever you
Speaker 1: want on the Internet, and if you just have like
Speaker 1: a username, people don't know who you are, people aren't
Speaker 1: fact checking you there. You can say whatever you want,
Speaker 1: whether it's true or not, people will never know. But
Speaker 1: but Kenny shared in a lot of these comments and
Speaker 1: forums that he was alone on most of his adventures
Speaker 1: and he typically went places most people won't dare to go.
Speaker 1: And I do think that he's right about that last part,
Speaker 1: at least because he said he'd been in more case
Speaker 1: then he can count, and I've been so few caves
Speaker 1: I don't even need to count.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I means as cool as it is to
Speaker 2: the idea of coming across an old cave. I don't
Speaker 2: know if I'd want to venture into any I'll save
Speaker 2: that for when I'm like playing Red Dead or tomb
Speaker 2: Raider or something.
Speaker 1: But I'm not doing that in real life. You send
Speaker 1: your digital version in exactly. Kenny wasn't a person who
Speaker 1: scared easily, it seems, and that was very much part
Speaker 1: of the vibe that he would share online, that he'd
Speaker 1: go out these places alone and do all kinds of
Speaker 1: exploring and he had no fear in this environment, which
Speaker 1: is great if you can pull that off. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: that brings me back to the comment that started all
Speaker 1: this about the cave scaring him. And here is how
Speaker 1: Kenny just described originally finding that particular cave. He said
Speaker 1: he was hiking out near the Sheep Mountains, which are
Speaker 1: maybe forty ish miles north of Las Vegas. And these
Speaker 1: mountains also aren't far from the Nevada Tests and Training Range,
Speaker 1: which includes the Nellis Air Force Base, and that whole
Speaker 1: area fifty one compound. While out on this hike, he
Speaker 1: found the cave and like I said earlier, it was
Speaker 1: shaped like a capital M and it was about like
Speaker 1: he said, it was about The opening was about his height,
Speaker 1: so I don't know, let's say to say six feet,
Speaker 1: wells reminded six feet. Yeah. So he planned to go
Speaker 1: inside because that was a thing he did. And he's
Speaker 1: not afraid of caves. He enjoys being in them. He's
Speaker 1: been in plenty, but this time was different. As coach,
Speaker 1: he immediately felt something was off. He started feeling that
Speaker 1: vibration and it was continuing to get stronger the further
Speaker 1: he went towards the cave. There wasn't any noise that
Speaker 1: accompanied this vibration. You would think if there was some
Speaker 1: sort of equipment or I don't know what else would
Speaker 1: make a vibration like that, but you would think that
Speaker 1: there'd be some noise to accompany whatever is producing this feeling, right,
Speaker 1: But there was no sound. There wasn't anything to indicate
Speaker 1: what was causing this sensation. It was just a very
Speaker 1: unsettling feeling. And as he continued to approach and it increased,
Speaker 1: he was like, Nope, this cave is not for me today,
Speaker 1: I'm out of here, and ultimately ended up sharing that
Speaker 1: this was one of the strangest things that he had
Speaker 1: ever experienced. But when you share something like that on
Speaker 1: the internet, people want proof. I'm probably one of those
Speaker 1: people say prove it. Yeah. So he got all kinds
Speaker 1: of comments on his comment from people suggesting he go
Speaker 1: back and get some evidence or some video. Other people
Speaker 1: just want to be able to experience this weird cave
Speaker 1: themselves without having to go there, which that makes sense also,
Speaker 1: So there were a lot of calls for him to
Speaker 1: go back and get video and share it. Some people
Speaker 1: they just wanted to see it, and other people were like,
Speaker 1: that's some bullshit. I don't believe you. Yeah, And to
Speaker 1: Kenny's credit, he was like, all right, fine, I'll go back.
Speaker 1: I'll prove it. Not a big deal. So he started
Speaker 1: planning a trip to go back, and among all of
Speaker 1: the comments of people wanting him to go back, there
Speaker 1: were some comments from people telling him not to go back,
Speaker 1: including one that warned him that if he found that
Speaker 1: cave again and he went in, he wasn't coming out
Speaker 1: very ominous mm hmm, and I'd be like, prove it.
Speaker 1: So in October twenty fourteen, he posted a video called
Speaker 1: m Cave Hike. In the video, he's standing next to,
Speaker 1: or the beginning of the video, he's standing next to
Speaker 1: an abandoned mind shaft, and he's talking about the landscape
Speaker 1: and talking about where his car is parked and where
Speaker 1: he's going on this hike, and just explaining what he's
Speaker 1: been doing, what he's planning to do, just kind of
Speaker 1: a regular like, hey, come with me while I hike
Speaker 1: the desert type video. But ultimately he hiked for hours.
Speaker 1: He found a tortoise and a tarantula, but no cave,
Speaker 1: And he even said in the beginning of the video
Speaker 1: that he was hoping to be able to find the
Speaker 1: cave again, but just the vast of the terrain, he
Speaker 1: seemed a little uncertain he was going to be able
Speaker 1: to find his way back to where this cave was.
Speaker 1: And he was unsuccessful in finding the cave. And once
Speaker 1: people watch this video, they were like, all right, this
Speaker 1: was a failed mission. There's no cave, there's no evidence.
Speaker 1: What the heck. So, as you might guess, people were unhappy.
Speaker 1: And when you're unhappy, obviously you just share those comments
Speaker 1: online as everyone does. Yeah to play Devil's advocate. I
Speaker 1: do think if you are going to share something crazy
Speaker 1: and you want people to believe it, you have to
Speaker 1: expect that people are going to want evidence, are going
Speaker 1: to want to have you to have a way to
Speaker 1: back up your claim. Absolutely, So Kenny ends up saying,
Speaker 1: all right, I'll go make a third trip find this cave.
Speaker 1: This time, I'll bring my go pro and get even
Speaker 1: more footage, and let's do it. In this cave m
Speaker 1: hike video, he just seems so relaxed and so at
Speaker 1: ease in this setting. He seems like a very just
Speaker 1: like a chill guy, like you could just kind of
Speaker 1: hang out. I just picture like sitting around a fire,
Speaker 1: and he's got like good stories and stuff. It's very
Speaker 1: like relaxing, easy to talk to. Right in November, Kenny
Speaker 1: tells his girlfriend that he's going for a short trip,
Speaker 1: just two overnights and three days and he'd be back. However,
Speaker 1: three days past, then four, and then five, and with
Speaker 1: no word from Kenny for a full week. His girlfriend
Speaker 1: this name I struggle cherry on Sharyon, Sherryon Shreyon. Is
Speaker 1: that how his girlfriends? Yes, his girlfriend share well, it's
Speaker 1: s h E r y o n but like my
Speaker 1: brain because my mom's name is Cheryl, like it just
Speaker 1: it can't do a different sound ending sound. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I suppose the why could also be like uh, like
Speaker 2: the I sound like sharyan Oh.
Speaker 1: I didn't think of that pronunciation. Well, if anybody has
Speaker 1: a better pronunciation, because because now pronounce dot com makes
Speaker 1: you watch a video before you can hear the pronunciation,
Speaker 1: and I think that name might even throw off that
Speaker 1: not chance. I did not find a lot of options
Speaker 1: for listening to it pronounced yeah anyway, So on November seventeenth,
Speaker 1: she ended up reporting him missing. Search and rescue teams
Speaker 1: headed out to the area. They found his vehicle parked
Speaker 1: at the trailhead, basically where his girlfriend had expected it
Speaker 1: to be, so they know that he at least made
Speaker 1: it to his planned destination. Aerial and ground crew aeral
Speaker 1: and ground searches got underway. At some point it was
Speaker 1: discovered I don't know if it's by his family or
Speaker 1: some type of authorities went to his house, but they
Speaker 1: found that his go pro camera was at home. Oh,
Speaker 1: so he hadn't brought it with him, right, which feels
Speaker 1: very strange. The whole point of your trip is to
Speaker 1: document things to later share online. On November twenty second,
Speaker 1: searchers found his cell phone. It was sitting on the
Speaker 1: ground near that same abandoned mind shaft where he had
Speaker 1: previously filmed a video. It appeared to those who found
Speaker 1: the phone that it had been set down rather than
Speaker 1: being dropped, And obviously there's no way to know for sure,
Speaker 1: but it at least seemed like the phone had been
Speaker 1: set down intentionally. Maybe it was just pleased somewhere that
Speaker 1: makes sense that you put it down, rather than like, oh,
Speaker 1: I dropped it or fell out of my pocket. The
Speaker 1: mine and the surrounding area was searched, but nothing was found.
Speaker 1: His car and phone became the only indications that Kenny
Speaker 1: had been out there, and nothing additional was found. Months
Speaker 1: after Kenny's disappearance, his girlfriend posted a long comment on
Speaker 1: his mcave video. Apparently she didn't realize how much activity
Speaker 1: this video had been getting. One of her friends had
Speaker 1: reached out and told her about this video and all
Speaker 1: these comments, and that's why she kind of jumped in
Speaker 1: and was like, Wow, I didn't realize that there was
Speaker 1: so much conversation about this m cave and this adventure
Speaker 1: in this search. She didn't think that whatever happened was
Speaker 1: an accident, and she didn't think that Kenny had found
Speaker 1: the cave. Her belief was that Kenny lost his with
Speaker 1: depression and had gone into the desert to die. According
Speaker 1: to her, Kenny had suffered from depression for years at
Speaker 1: that point, and he was unwilling to seek medical help.
Speaker 1: He was against taking medication, and he just didn't want
Speaker 1: to see a doctor. And you can only push somebody
Speaker 1: so much to seek help or talk to your doctor,
Speaker 1: or talk to anybody. So I'm sure that was really
Speaker 1: tough for people who knew his situation. In the months
Speaker 1: before he disappeared, things had just kind of gotten worse.
Speaker 1: He quit his job, maybe like a year or so
Speaker 1: before his disappearance, and he had been hoping that he
Speaker 1: would be able to spend that time and become some
Speaker 1: kind of inventor, you know, the shark tank pitches and stuff,
Speaker 1: but that was not going well. I just picture Dad,
Speaker 1: that's the only reference point for inventors. I have no
Speaker 1: I got a picture of it too, And at some
Speaker 1: point Kenny had told her that if he ever decided
Speaker 1: to end his life, that no one would ever find
Speaker 1: his body, which I'm sure there's contexts of this conversation,
Speaker 1: but that's a very dark comment, yeah, very And she
Speaker 1: agrees that his phone probably was placed down intentionally because
Speaker 1: Kenny would have known that it could be tracked. It
Speaker 1: had GPS, and if he didn't want to be found,
Speaker 1: he wasn't going to be taking that phone with him.
Speaker 1: She also strongly believes that he left his camera at home,
Speaker 1: again intentionally, because he never planned to document or share anything.
Speaker 1: And she isn't even sure that the m Cave story
Speaker 1: was ever a real thing to begin with. That perhaps
Speaker 1: it was something he had said or written, not really
Speaker 1: expecting to get much attention from it or gain any traction.
Speaker 1: It was just kind of like a throwaway little comment
Speaker 1: or story maybe, but then it spiraled into this much
Speaker 1: bigger story, and she thinks it still maybe was never
Speaker 1: never a real thing to begin with.
Speaker 2: So does she question if an m cave even existed
Speaker 2: or what he experienced when he went in it, if.
Speaker 1: The cave ever existed. The second part of her comment
Speaker 1: was a warning of sorts, and I am going to
Speaker 1: share that verbatim. I share this with you for two reasons. First,
Speaker 1: so that you have more of an understanding who Kenny
Speaker 1: was and to bring some peace or understand into the situation. Secondly,
Speaker 1: if any of you decide to go out into our
Speaker 1: desert to look for him or the m cave, be
Speaker 1: careful and bring enough food and water. Walking sticks are
Speaker 1: a good idea, and not doing a solo hike. Bring
Speaker 1: a GPS and make sure you've let family or friends
Speaker 1: know that you're heading out for the hike and where
Speaker 1: you where and when you will be returning. A search
Speaker 1: really can't be on a one day hike. You would
Speaker 1: be repeating much of the same hike just getting up
Speaker 1: to the mountain, and then be left with not many
Speaker 1: hours in the day to do your search. She's talking
Speaker 1: about searching for the cave, right, You would need two
Speaker 1: or three days at a time, and in the summer
Speaker 1: or even late spring. This cannot be done because of
Speaker 1: the heat of our desert. I do love how much.
Speaker 1: How she says, sorry, I'm breaking the quote, how she
Speaker 1: refers to it as our desert. Yeah, you would not
Speaker 1: be able to carry enough water, so please please be careful.
Speaker 1: I had many wonderful experiences with Kenny, and I'll always
Speaker 1: remember them and have a place of love in my
Speaker 1: heart for him and the wonderful things we did together.
Speaker 1: I am healing from my loss and look forward to
Speaker 1: new experiences with desert hiking, camping, and taking beautiful pictures
Speaker 1: of our desert. Enjoy your adventure of life, and thank
Speaker 1: you for the kind, loving comments sent my way. Oh
Speaker 1: that was a really nice message. It was. I think
Speaker 1: she obviously very clearly recognizes the dangers that can be
Speaker 1: out in the desert, and I think she realized that
Speaker 1: Kenny had created a big draw to this location for people,
Speaker 1: and as much as she didn't want people to put
Speaker 1: themselves at risk going out there, she also knew that
Speaker 1: saying don't do it wasn't going to cut it. People
Speaker 1: were still going to do it. So just I think
Speaker 1: hoping that people do it safely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's not She's not trying to deter people from going,
Speaker 2: because if they want to go, they're going to go.
Speaker 2: It's just reinforcing how important it is to be prepared
Speaker 2: when you do go out.
Speaker 1: Exactly. In twenty eighteen, which was four years after Kenny disappeared,
Speaker 1: his sister's reiki center in Las Vegas was broken into
Speaker 1: which that piece I was able to confirm, and there
Speaker 1: was a news story with the security footage. I was
Speaker 1: able to watch that, and in the news interview, his
Speaker 1: sister says that you can see like something speckled across
Speaker 1: the video footage, like after the burglar has left, and
Speaker 1: in all likelihood it probably is just dust particles or
Speaker 1: something with the burglar had broken the window, so maybe
Speaker 1: there was wind kicking up dust or whatever. But in
Speaker 1: this news interview she said that she thought that maybe
Speaker 1: it was energy working to clear the bad juju from
Speaker 1: the break in in that incident. And this is the
Speaker 1: piece that I can't I couldn't get better confirmation on.
Speaker 1: But I'd seen in some forums and in a medium
Speaker 1: article that the family believed the suspect who broke in
Speaker 1: was Kenny. This thief only grabbed an iPad and then
Speaker 1: leaves like immediately. I saw nothing official, am using like
Speaker 1: air quotes official that indicated that the family believed that
Speaker 1: this person was Kenny. And in the local news article
Speaker 1: or interview, it was an interview not an article, well
Speaker 1: actually it was both. There was an article accompanying the video.
Speaker 1: She doesn't say anything about the suspect at all. She
Speaker 1: talks about hoping that the person's found. She talks about
Speaker 1: the orbs in the video, I would think that if
Speaker 1: you thought this person was your brother, that would be
Speaker 1: a prime time to say that. I would think, yeah,
Speaker 1: you would think so. Not only did she not mention this,
Speaker 1: and I couldn't find it in any follow up article
Speaker 1: or anything. I also don't think that this person in
Speaker 1: the video looked like Kenny, or even a man in
Speaker 1: his fifties at all, in my opinion. There was also
Speaker 1: an additional news article from twenty twenty four about another
Speaker 1: break in where a lot of things were stolen. So
Speaker 1: either this is a dangerous area that her reiki center
Speaker 1: is in, or perhaps reiki shops are a popular target
Speaker 1: for thieves. I don't know, but either way, they've had
Speaker 1: at least two break ins, so that's a bummer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and neither of which I believe had anything to do
Speaker 1: with Kenny. So what did happen? We got a couple
Speaker 1: solid fairies. Of course, there could have been an accident.
Speaker 1: This is tough terrain. There are all kinds of minds
Speaker 1: out there. The mines are very deep, and this area
Speaker 1: is very remote, so remote, and these minds are so
Speaker 1: deep that the military has actually used some of them
Speaker 1: to dispose of chemicals over the years. Allegedly at least Yeah,
Speaker 1: they'll never admit it. If they did, no, then there's
Speaker 1: the idea that the cave was real and this vibration
Speaker 1: experience also happened, and based on the proximity to the
Speaker 1: military base, the idea is maybe there's some kind of
Speaker 1: connection with that, maybe this is an additional military installation
Speaker 1: or testing site of some kind. One theory was that
Speaker 1: the vibration was from infrasound, which is below the frequency
Speaker 1: of human hearing, but it can cause vibration, so that
Speaker 1: kind of would line up. And it's also known to
Speaker 1: create feelings of like dread or being spooked. Oh weird, okay,
Speaker 1: and I did read. I meant to research more, but
Speaker 1: I didn't want to get derailed too much. That there
Speaker 1: are instances where infrasound can be generated from the like
Speaker 1: the environment or geography of the area, but I'm not
Speaker 1: sure what the conditions would have to be for that
Speaker 1: to happen. I will research and go on a tangent
Speaker 1: on another time. The area around the Air Force base
Speaker 1: and Area fifty one, like you mentioned, is highly guarded.
Speaker 1: There are armed personnel that check the perimeter. It's you're
Speaker 1: not getting it. It's not like it's an abandoned fence
Speaker 1: line that you can just hop This is monitored actively daily.
Speaker 1: It's definitely off limits to civilians, and it would be
Speaker 1: strange for them to have some sort of auxiliary military
Speaker 1: thing outside of that zone. I would beg Yeah, would
Speaker 1: defeat the purpose of having it, right, But that doesn't
Speaker 1: dissuade people from suggesting that maybe he saw something or
Speaker 1: stumbled onto something that ended up getting him taken by
Speaker 1: the government or disappeared by the military. Perhaps. I think
Speaker 1: if that were true, or a variety or a where
Speaker 1: are my words today, I have no idea in the
Speaker 1: ballpark of true. The government would get that video scrowed
Speaker 1: from YouTube. All those comments would be gone, the video
Speaker 1: would be gone, we would never know about it.
Speaker 2: That's just my guess. I have to agree with you, though,
Speaker 2: like anything to kind of remove the attention from that area.
Speaker 1: Right, because having this person disappear and having these videos
Speaker 1: up just continue to general I mean, even now, twelve
Speaker 1: years later, it continues to generate interest and people going
Speaker 1: out there and people are continuing to comment on the videos.
Speaker 1: It's if it were say sort of government cover up,
Speaker 1: I think they would have covered up that YouTube video. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the simplest answer, of course, is the one that his
Speaker 1: girlfriend gave that he was struggling with depression and was
Speaker 1: unable or unwilling to seek help, and he ended up
Speaker 1: following through with something that he likely had thought about
Speaker 1: on many occasions. This location is vast. We've covered plenty
Speaker 1: of cases in the desert where people disappear and nothing
Speaker 1: is found, despite quick turnaround on getting a search going,
Speaker 1: even and there was some delay in him being reported missing,
Speaker 1: and then I'm not sure exactly how quickly search and
Speaker 1: RUSS you got out there after he was reported missing.
Speaker 1: I think it was a couple day lag. So we're
Speaker 1: looking at at least a week, maybe even more in
Speaker 1: between him arriving and search getting underway.
Speaker 2: And he likely didn't even have enough supplies to be
Speaker 2: out there for a full day, let alone an entire week, right, And.
Speaker 1: There are many deep, dangerous mind shafts, so it's very
Speaker 1: plausible that, whether an accident or intentional, if a body
Speaker 1: went in there, it could remain undiscovered. In all the
Speaker 1: years since his disappearance, his remains and no additional evidence
Speaker 1: have ever been located, and no one has claimed to
Speaker 1: have found the m Cave for themselves. People have gone
Speaker 1: out to look, but no one has said that they
Speaker 1: have found anything. Now, is there?
Speaker 2: I feel like there's a picture of the entrance or
Speaker 2: is that a mocked up picture?
Speaker 1: Is it fake? Or is there? It must be mocked
Speaker 1: It must be mocked up. Okay, because in his video
Speaker 1: he shows just like other caves, but there was nothing
Speaker 1: indicative of an M cave that I saw at least. Okay. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and based on his YouTube channel having seventy seven thousand subscribers,
Speaker 1: and I'm willing to guess that seventy seven thousand of
Speaker 1: them were people who have subscribed subscribed since kenny Sis appearance,
Speaker 1: there are a lot of people hoping to somedays see
Speaker 1: this mystery solved, or at least get more information on
Speaker 1: the cave itself, if it exists, if it doesn't exist. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it looks like it looks like There are some
Speaker 1: pictures and videos online where people say they think they
Speaker 1: found the cave.
Speaker 2: Because also the letter M. You're gonna also maybe see
Speaker 2: what you want to see. So you could see a
Speaker 2: part of a cave and say that looks like an
Speaker 2: M to me, This could be it, whereas it very
Speaker 2: well might not. Be the one that he was referring to,
Speaker 2: if he was referring to one at all. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: there is definitely I'm gonna end up doing a big
Speaker 2: old deep dive into these other videos that people are
Speaker 2: posting because people are so intrigued by this case.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I mean, like I said, his channel
Speaker 1: has seventy seven subscribers, and anybody who is familiar with
Speaker 1: Kenny or this case, like, they know that he's not
Speaker 1: gonna be producing any additional content. It's not like your
Speaker 1: subscribed to get new videos you're subscribed to. I would
Speaker 1: think kind of keep tabs on the comments on the
Speaker 1: existing video. Yeah. See, I'll be curious what you end
Speaker 1: up finding about other people's searches for the cave.
Speaker 2: Right, and of course once you get this like this
Speaker 2: legendary cave, like okay, who wants to be the one
Speaker 2: that actually is able to find it? So there is
Speaker 2: that like clickbait aspect as well. So definitely discovering this
Speaker 2: this cave. Yeah, so it's I'm curious if the cave
Speaker 2: even exists. I'm curious if he experienced to what he
Speaker 2: described as experiencing.
Speaker 1: It's obviously it's a very weird scenario, but I also
Speaker 1: feel like it's a weird thing to make up.
Speaker 2: Yes, But with that, I think we, especially in the
Speaker 2: days of internet social media content creation, people will say
Speaker 2: just about anything as strange as it may seem to
Speaker 2: someone on the outside of the topic or what have you.
Speaker 2: You know, we could be like, why would someone lie
Speaker 2: about something like that? Well, look what it's created.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd be curious if any listeners are familiar with
Speaker 2: this case and what their thoughts are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too. There's definitely all kinds of other theories
Speaker 1: that have been thrown around as well. So you hold
Speaker 1: a theory near and dear to your heart, I want
Speaker 1: to hear it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I definitely think I'm with you though,
Speaker 2: sort of like the the Olkham's razor tells us that
Speaker 2: he went out intentionally.
Speaker 1: Not wanting to return and that means for.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, especially with that being backed up by his girlfriend,
Speaker 2: who kind of added some context to why she believes
Speaker 2: that was what he did too.
Speaker 1: For me, it's very telling that the go pro camera
Speaker 1: was left at home. Yes, yeah, I agree, because even
Speaker 1: living in Las Vegas, the distance to this area I
Speaker 1: think was short enough that had you realized you didn't
Speaker 1: bring this camera and that was your whole point of
Speaker 1: going out there, you would likely say, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna drive an hour home and i'm gonna go
Speaker 1: get that. So I don't think it was left unintentionally. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, So if anybody has theories, or if anybody
Speaker 1: has weird cave stories of their own, I will also
Speaker 1: take those. Yeah. We love a good cave story. Just
Speaker 1: reminds me to never go into a cave. Right, let's
Speaker 1: hear them? Yeah, all right, Well until next week