WEBVTT 1 00:00:10.119 --> 00:00:12.560 Hello, and welcome to Mythic Mind, where we produceue wisdom 2 00:00:12.560 --> 00:00:15.240 in the past between Primary and Second eight worlds. Andrew 3 00:00:15.240 --> 00:00:20.960 Snyder and I'm glad that you're here. Hello and welcome 4 00:00:21.000 --> 00:00:24.280 as we begin our Star Wars series. What I'm going 5 00:00:24.320 --> 00:00:27.239 to provide for you today was originally a live stream 6 00:00:27.359 --> 00:00:30.199 from May the fourth, as the Mythic Mind Fellowship kicked 7 00:00:30.239 --> 00:00:33.960 off this series. I provide a little bit more introduction 8 00:00:34.039 --> 00:00:35.479 at the very beginning of the video, so I won't 9 00:00:35.479 --> 00:00:37.520 do that right now, but I do think that this 10 00:00:37.560 --> 00:00:40.079 is going to be an engaging time. You know, some people, 11 00:00:40.679 --> 00:00:42.320 a lot of people seem to be really excited about 12 00:00:42.320 --> 00:00:45.719 the series that we're doing. Some people have kin cynically said, 13 00:00:46.479 --> 00:00:49.479 you know, what value to Star Wars really have? Philosophically, 14 00:00:49.640 --> 00:00:52.600 It's obviously popular entertainment. You know, Lucas is not a 15 00:00:52.640 --> 00:00:56.640 Shakespeare But at the same time, you know, we have 16 00:00:56.759 --> 00:00:59.759 to recognize that anything that garners the level of a 17 00:00:59.840 --> 00:01:03.399 ten that the Star Wars franchise has, it gets that 18 00:01:03.439 --> 00:01:06.719 attention for a reason. On some level. It speaks to 19 00:01:06.920 --> 00:01:10.400 human experience and reveals human desires. It works on our 20 00:01:10.439 --> 00:01:14.560 imagination in ways that are I don't know, real or 21 00:01:14.640 --> 00:01:16.920 authentic to what it means to be human. And so 22 00:01:17.439 --> 00:01:19.760 if we don't take some time to think about why 23 00:01:19.879 --> 00:01:22.719 certain stories are compelling, I think we're missing some important 24 00:01:22.799 --> 00:01:26.879 avenues of wisdom. And so is Star Wars Shakespeare. Well no, 25 00:01:27.000 --> 00:01:29.519 but at the same time, it does engage with some 26 00:01:29.560 --> 00:01:32.840 significate topics, and I think that it would be a 27 00:01:33.400 --> 00:01:36.319 blinding effect of pride for us to overlook that simply 28 00:01:36.319 --> 00:01:39.599 because it's you know, fun and flashy and popular. The 29 00:01:39.640 --> 00:01:43.159 proverbs tell us that wisdom cries out in the marketplace, 30 00:01:43.239 --> 00:01:46.319 and well, the Star Wars are certainly in the marketplace. 31 00:01:46.640 --> 00:01:48.079 So I think this is going to be a profitable 32 00:01:48.079 --> 00:01:50.280 series for us. It's gonna be a fun series. I 33 00:01:50.319 --> 00:01:53.920 look forward to the various directions that this goes. But oh, 34 00:01:53.959 --> 00:01:55.319 before we get started, I do want to let you 35 00:01:55.359 --> 00:01:57.400 know about something. You know, as I've been talking for 36 00:01:57.439 --> 00:02:01.280 a while, our Mythic Mind courses are starting up here. 37 00:02:01.840 --> 00:02:05.640 Hannah's Latin course and Josh's Paradise Lost course are already 38 00:02:05.680 --> 00:02:07.959 underway by the time that this is posted. But it's 39 00:02:07.959 --> 00:02:09.400 not too late to join, And if you're a Mythic 40 00:02:09.439 --> 00:02:11.560 Mind patron, you can join at half price. And so 41 00:02:12.159 --> 00:02:14.319 go and do that if there's interest you Also, my 42 00:02:14.479 --> 00:02:17.879 course is beginning next week from the date that this 43 00:02:18.000 --> 00:02:21.039 is being posted. 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All right, and now let's 81 00:04:03.960 --> 00:04:07.080 go ahead and jump into our May the fourth conversation 82 00:04:07.360 --> 00:04:13.199 on Star Wars. All right, there we go. So welcome 83 00:04:13.240 --> 00:04:18.000 to our maybe fourth v with you Mythic Mind Star 84 00:04:18.040 --> 00:04:21.639 Wars chat. You know, I'm I'm Ajor Snyder. I'm Anyone 85 00:04:21.639 --> 00:04:24.120 who's watching this right now probably is familiar with who 86 00:04:24.160 --> 00:04:27.519 I am, But just to kind of frame a little 87 00:04:27.519 --> 00:04:30.680 bit of what's going on here, our Mythic Mind community, 88 00:04:30.720 --> 00:04:34.560 which is really an association, kind of network of Christians 89 00:04:34.560 --> 00:04:38.040 who are somehow involved in the humanities and understood very broadly. 90 00:04:38.720 --> 00:04:42.079 And you know, we've mostly been taking a literary focus. 91 00:04:42.199 --> 00:04:44.560 You know that the formation of this fellowship was really 92 00:04:44.600 --> 00:04:47.560 inspired by you know, the Inklings and you know, my 93 00:04:47.560 --> 00:04:51.319 my appreciation for Tolkien that sort of thing. So we've 94 00:04:51.319 --> 00:04:54.240 done a lot of Talkien and kind of Inkling adjacent 95 00:04:54.319 --> 00:04:56.160 sort of material. You know, we just finish up a 96 00:04:56.240 --> 00:04:59.240 series on the Poetic Eda, and we've done some Beowolf 97 00:04:59.279 --> 00:05:02.279 and this sort of very literary kind of focus. But 98 00:05:02.319 --> 00:05:05.000 I thought it'd be fun to expand our scope a 99 00:05:05.040 --> 00:05:07.879 little bit and start engaging in some other media. And 100 00:05:08.600 --> 00:05:12.480 you know, it's it's hard to get something less mainstream 101 00:05:13.000 --> 00:05:16.000 or than our more mainstream rather I mean than Star Wars, 102 00:05:16.560 --> 00:05:18.240 and so I thought this would be a good occasion 103 00:05:18.240 --> 00:05:22.160 to kick off our study of our analysis, our discussions 104 00:05:22.199 --> 00:05:24.920 of Star Wars with the live stream on May fourth. 105 00:05:25.600 --> 00:05:28.079 So this is just the general kind of conversation here. 106 00:05:28.360 --> 00:05:31.720 I mean, obviously anybody participating in this conversation is somebody 107 00:05:31.759 --> 00:05:35.639 who appreciates Star Wars, although what that means well may 108 00:05:35.680 --> 00:05:38.199 have a broader or more narrow scope for each of us, 109 00:05:39.519 --> 00:05:42.720 and so definitely we'll have some different perspectives, different lenses 110 00:05:42.759 --> 00:05:46.600 to bring to the table here. Yes, Jordan says he 111 00:05:46.600 --> 00:05:50.560 feels attacked, we'll see what that means probably momentarily. But 112 00:05:50.639 --> 00:05:52.600 I think, you know, I don't really have a super 113 00:05:52.600 --> 00:05:55.240 clear agenda for this conversation. I think that the best 114 00:05:55.279 --> 00:05:57.439 way to go about this it's just for each of 115 00:05:57.519 --> 00:06:00.199 us to just very briefly introduce yourself, but then really 116 00:06:00.240 --> 00:06:02.759 focus in on you know, what is your experience of 117 00:06:02.839 --> 00:06:05.399 Star Wars? What is your history of Star Wars? You know, 118 00:06:05.920 --> 00:06:10.839 are you somebody who you know who only affirms the 119 00:06:10.879 --> 00:06:13.879 original series, or you know, are you somebody who's you know, 120 00:06:13.920 --> 00:06:16.240 watched everything and read all the books and played all 121 00:06:16.279 --> 00:06:19.680 the games, or somewhere in between. And so you know, 122 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:24.399 for me, you know, I can't remember not being familiar 123 00:06:24.399 --> 00:06:27.480 with Star Wars. I think that that's you know, probably 124 00:06:27.480 --> 00:06:30.879 pretty common, especially you know, for for people who well 125 00:06:30.920 --> 00:06:33.439 were born after the original series came out. And so 126 00:06:34.920 --> 00:06:37.040 I don't know when I first saw the movies, you know, 127 00:06:37.160 --> 00:06:42.040 I very much. I can specifically recall the VHS box 128 00:06:42.199 --> 00:06:46.360 set that we had of the original series, and you know, 129 00:06:46.480 --> 00:06:50.439 I do remember seeing the original series with a re release. 130 00:06:50.480 --> 00:06:53.439 I think it was probably leading up to the the 131 00:06:53.720 --> 00:06:57.560 prequel series that the episode one, and so I remember 132 00:06:57.560 --> 00:07:01.920 that re release. I I, you know, watch the prequels 133 00:07:01.920 --> 00:07:05.079 as they came out in the theaters, and you know, 134 00:07:05.160 --> 00:07:07.720 at the time, like I enjoyed them well enough, but 135 00:07:07.800 --> 00:07:11.600 I very much took on the sort of general group 136 00:07:11.680 --> 00:07:16.439 think that they were not particularly good films. But you know, 137 00:07:16.600 --> 00:07:19.480 over time, I've been inclined and you know, Jordan's gonna 138 00:07:19.560 --> 00:07:21.959 argue with me on this, but I've been inclined to 139 00:07:22.079 --> 00:07:24.480 sort of reassess that a little bit. And you know, 140 00:07:24.600 --> 00:07:28.839 my most recent rewatch, I actually enjoyed them. You know, 141 00:07:28.839 --> 00:07:30.319 I don't think they hold up to the originals, but 142 00:07:30.360 --> 00:07:33.040 I think that there's something of value there. Now. I 143 00:07:33.399 --> 00:07:35.319 can't be quite so diplomatic when it comes to the 144 00:07:35.319 --> 00:07:38.040 sequel series, but maybe we'll get there a little bit, 145 00:07:39.360 --> 00:07:41.879 and so you know, I'm very familiar with the movies. 146 00:07:42.959 --> 00:07:46.959 What really launched my recent reinvestment in Star Wars is 147 00:07:47.319 --> 00:07:50.680 you know, we talked about having a conversation on Knights 148 00:07:50.680 --> 00:07:55.319 of the Old Republic, which is I think one of 149 00:07:55.319 --> 00:07:58.360 the actually one of the best things to come out 150 00:07:58.399 --> 00:08:01.360 of Star Wars universe since the original series, and so 151 00:08:01.399 --> 00:08:04.000 in my revisiting of those games for that chat just 152 00:08:04.040 --> 00:08:06.720 sort of re spark my general interest. Since that's launched 153 00:08:06.759 --> 00:08:11.120 this just broad rewatch and engagement, and so that's that's 154 00:08:11.199 --> 00:08:14.480 kind of where I am. I'm a big fan generally speaking, 155 00:08:14.600 --> 00:08:17.240 even if maybe if it's lost its way a little 156 00:08:17.240 --> 00:08:20.639 bit in recent years. But I'll have to just hear 157 00:08:20.639 --> 00:08:22.759 from some of you again. Just briefly introduce yourself and 158 00:08:22.839 --> 00:08:26.199 tell me something about your history with Star Wars. I'll 159 00:08:26.199 --> 00:08:29.120 go clockwise as I have you on my screen here, Jordan, 160 00:08:29.120 --> 00:08:30.079 why don't you kick us off? 161 00:08:31.360 --> 00:08:34.039 Hey, everybody, I know some of you from the CS 162 00:08:34.120 --> 00:08:36.720 Lewis group, So I think Ian might be the only 163 00:08:36.759 --> 00:08:40.080 one that I have not seen before and anybody else 164 00:08:40.080 --> 00:08:45.519 that's streaming us, So hi there. So, like Andrew, I 165 00:08:45.559 --> 00:08:50.519 don't remember a time without Star Wars. We grew up 166 00:08:50.519 --> 00:08:53.240 in a household where my dad did not save the 167 00:08:53.440 --> 00:08:57.200 sleeves of VHS tapes for I don't know what reason, 168 00:08:57.799 --> 00:09:02.080 and so we had these like black hard plastic VHS 169 00:09:02.120 --> 00:09:05.639 cases that I think you just buy in bulk, and 170 00:09:06.000 --> 00:09:10.480 all our Star Wars tapes were in those. For the 171 00:09:10.559 --> 00:09:14.080 kids VHS tapes for these big bulky things that you 172 00:09:14.120 --> 00:09:17.120 put into something called a VCR that also worked really 173 00:09:17.120 --> 00:09:19.879 good as a space doc. We had one of those 174 00:09:19.919 --> 00:09:22.639 ones that like lifted up and you put the tape 175 00:09:22.639 --> 00:09:26.279 in the top and pushed it down anyway. So as 176 00:09:26.360 --> 00:09:30.320 Andrew kind of eluded, I am a firm believer in 177 00:09:30.360 --> 00:09:33.200 the fact that there are only three Star Wars movies. 178 00:09:34.360 --> 00:09:37.720 I classify the Star Wars movies in this way. There 179 00:09:37.840 --> 00:09:42.879 are the three Star Wars movies. There are the apocryphal 180 00:09:43.279 --> 00:09:48.960 Star Wars movies, which are the prequel trilogy because George 181 00:09:49.039 --> 00:09:52.080 Lucas is involved. And then there's the Suit of Pigrifull 182 00:09:52.360 --> 00:09:58.720 Star Wars Universe, which is episode seven, eight nine, and 183 00:09:58.759 --> 00:10:05.200 then was so and uh, I forget the other one. 184 00:10:05.519 --> 00:10:08.960 And then I will say that of the fan fiction movies, 185 00:10:09.759 --> 00:10:12.200 Rogue one is probably the best. 186 00:10:11.960 --> 00:10:13.759 Of all of the fan fictions. 187 00:10:15.879 --> 00:10:21.519 Yeah, I saw that. Look, my kids are divided from 188 00:10:21.559 --> 00:10:26.039 me on this. They really love the prequel trilogy. I 189 00:10:26.080 --> 00:10:29.159 will say that in nineteen ninety nine, you know, that 190 00:10:29.279 --> 00:10:32.559 was I think my freshman year of high school. I 191 00:10:32.639 --> 00:10:37.320 went to the theater saw Star Wars episode one. I 192 00:10:37.399 --> 00:10:40.519 was really excited about it. I think I saw it 193 00:10:40.519 --> 00:10:42.799 in the theater like five times, I kid you not. 194 00:10:43.799 --> 00:10:48.039 And I think that year for Halloween, I even dressed 195 00:10:48.120 --> 00:10:53.080 up as Darth Maul, like had the had like at 196 00:10:53.159 --> 00:10:57.559 uh you know, remember the old cheap o lightsabers that 197 00:10:57.759 --> 00:10:59.720 like popped out when you swun the I had. I 198 00:10:59.759 --> 00:11:02.240 had a double sided one of that that I think 199 00:11:02.320 --> 00:11:05.759 only lit up. I don't think it made sound. And 200 00:11:06.440 --> 00:11:09.879 my mom did like the full face paint thing that 201 00:11:09.919 --> 00:11:15.759 has been my Twitter picture sometimes. But anyway, so you know, 202 00:11:15.799 --> 00:11:18.559 I did see those movies growing up. I've actually seen 203 00:11:18.600 --> 00:11:22.200 all of the all of the Star Wars movies, and 204 00:11:22.519 --> 00:11:25.720 I think just over time, I just grew to not 205 00:11:25.919 --> 00:11:29.799 like them very much. I'm not gonna, you know, begrudge 206 00:11:29.840 --> 00:11:32.159 anybody for for liking something that I don't. 207 00:11:32.639 --> 00:11:33.360 That's fine. 208 00:11:34.080 --> 00:11:37.240 I do constantly, you know, tell my kids how sad 209 00:11:37.279 --> 00:11:39.279 I am that I've not raised them right, but. 210 00:11:39.919 --> 00:11:40.720 It is what it is. 211 00:11:40.759 --> 00:11:45.000 We actually watched a New Hope today for Star Wars Day. 212 00:11:45.039 --> 00:11:47.639 I said, you know which movie we're gonna watch and 213 00:11:47.759 --> 00:11:50.000 two of them said a New Hope. One of them 214 00:11:50.039 --> 00:11:52.120 said that they wanted to watch Revenge of the Sith, 215 00:11:52.840 --> 00:11:57.120 and I said that was actually not an option. So 216 00:11:57.279 --> 00:11:59.440 we settled with a New Hope and it was. It 217 00:11:59.440 --> 00:12:02.120 was a good time. So I think I think that'll 218 00:12:02.159 --> 00:12:02.639 do it for me. 219 00:12:04.759 --> 00:12:06.720 So I do need to ask a follow up. So, so, 220 00:12:06.799 --> 00:12:09.159 what is it that you don't like about, say, the prequels? 221 00:12:09.200 --> 00:12:11.519 Is it the dialogue, the acting, the story? I mean, 222 00:12:11.519 --> 00:12:13.440 there's number of things to choose from, to be fair. 223 00:12:13.639 --> 00:12:22.519 Yes, I mean so, okay, I love the pod racing thing. 224 00:12:22.600 --> 00:12:24.879 I'm not gonna lie. I love pod Racing. I forgot 225 00:12:24.879 --> 00:12:27.879 to say that I played the pod Racing game on 226 00:12:28.200 --> 00:12:31.039 Nintendo sixty four way back in the day. My brother 227 00:12:31.120 --> 00:12:38.159 actually got me the pod Racer, and there's another another 228 00:12:38.240 --> 00:12:41.320 game on the on the Switch cartridge that comes with it, 229 00:12:41.720 --> 00:12:44.240 and I've played the heck out of that thing. I 230 00:12:44.879 --> 00:12:48.519 do like the pod racing. The the Lightsaber Duels are 231 00:12:48.600 --> 00:12:52.120 are really top notch in the prequel trilogy because they, 232 00:12:52.600 --> 00:12:55.039 you know, had more to work with. But the dialogue 233 00:12:55.279 --> 00:13:02.039 just is awful. I think they they totally wighed probably 234 00:13:02.080 --> 00:13:05.759 the second best Star Wars bad guy in Darth Maul, 235 00:13:06.240 --> 00:13:09.159 and that just kills me. And I know supposedly he 236 00:13:09.240 --> 00:13:12.559 comes back in the cartoons or whatever, but they, I mean, 237 00:13:12.559 --> 00:13:15.120 they just they just off to the guy and that's 238 00:13:15.240 --> 00:13:15.639 I don't know. 239 00:13:15.840 --> 00:13:17.399 I thought, I thought that was kind of a waste. 240 00:13:17.879 --> 00:13:20.639 And I don't know. I'm a big as a. 241 00:13:20.480 --> 00:13:25.000 As a Star Trek fan, I'm a agent of of 242 00:13:25.000 --> 00:13:30.480 of chaos this evening. I'm a big stickler for consistency, 243 00:13:30.879 --> 00:13:35.200 and there's some some consistency issues between the original trilogy 244 00:13:35.639 --> 00:13:40.360 and the new or the the in the prequels. The 245 00:13:40.399 --> 00:13:43.559 Medichlorian thing was was a no go for me, like 246 00:13:43.639 --> 00:13:44.559 from the beginning. 247 00:13:47.000 --> 00:13:47.440 I don't know. 248 00:13:47.679 --> 00:13:51.399 So I hope that answers your question, and I hope 249 00:13:51.399 --> 00:13:52.960 that no one throws any rotten fruit at me. 250 00:13:54.759 --> 00:13:59.919 It's one advantage of having these conversations digitally. Wait, so consistency, 251 00:14:00.120 --> 00:14:05.600 you're telling me that Lucas adding Hayden Christensen into the 252 00:14:05.639 --> 00:14:07.960 Return of the Jedi that didn't do it for you? 253 00:14:08.000 --> 00:14:11.879 Actually, So I have the DVD set. 254 00:14:12.320 --> 00:14:16.120 I just dumb luck found it at Goodwill that has 255 00:14:16.159 --> 00:14:20.039 the laser disc transfer of the of the theatrical cut, 256 00:14:20.440 --> 00:14:22.799 and so I do not have to see Hayden Christiansen 257 00:14:22.840 --> 00:14:26.080 in Return of the Jedi. It's great and I get 258 00:14:26.080 --> 00:14:28.000 to hear Yupnab. Who doesn't love Yupnab? 259 00:14:30.519 --> 00:14:30.720 Oh? 260 00:14:30.879 --> 00:14:31.360 Apparently? 261 00:14:32.960 --> 00:14:36.399 Yeah, so we'll get to that great pain if he 262 00:14:36.480 --> 00:14:42.919 turns here. Yeah. The the updates that he made to 263 00:14:43.000 --> 00:14:47.120 the original trilogy just none of them were necessary, in fact, 264 00:14:47.399 --> 00:14:50.600 very unnecessary. All right, fair enough, Well, I'm sure we'll 265 00:14:50.600 --> 00:14:53.679 turn back around some of these ideas here, Hannah return, 266 00:14:53.720 --> 00:14:56.399 tell us a little about your experience with Star Wars. 267 00:14:57.399 --> 00:15:00.320 Okay, so, like probably everyone here, I grew up watching 268 00:15:00.360 --> 00:15:03.200 Star Wars. Now sadly, I was not born when it 269 00:15:03.240 --> 00:15:06.000 originally came out in theaters, but I grew up. I 270 00:15:06.000 --> 00:15:08.480 think my first memory of like watching a movie was 271 00:15:08.559 --> 00:15:10.360 watching a New Hope with like my dad and my 272 00:15:10.399 --> 00:15:13.919 little brothers, and my dad kept pausing the movie to 273 00:15:13.960 --> 00:15:16.120 make sure we weren't too scared, and he told us 274 00:15:16.120 --> 00:15:19.320 what was going to happen, like he told us about 275 00:15:19.320 --> 00:15:21.879 like he's like this character is gonna die or like, 276 00:15:22.799 --> 00:15:25.639 don't worry, like this is what's gonna happen, and so 277 00:15:25.759 --> 00:15:29.759 I remember loving it and since then, Yeah, it's just 278 00:15:29.879 --> 00:15:34.320 it's definitely been a big part of my life, just 279 00:15:34.399 --> 00:15:40.799 growing up, even just yeah, it's definitely been something that 280 00:15:40.840 --> 00:15:43.519 has really brought me a lot of joy. And I 281 00:15:43.559 --> 00:15:47.399 do not hold to just the original three. However, I 282 00:15:47.519 --> 00:15:49.960 do acknowledge there's a lot of cringey things to the prequels, 283 00:15:50.000 --> 00:15:52.279 but I grew up watching Star Wars, the Clone Wars 284 00:15:52.799 --> 00:15:55.279 as a kid, to the animated show, and that really 285 00:15:55.279 --> 00:15:57.320 redeemed that time period for me. I think if there 286 00:15:57.320 --> 00:15:59.120 had just been the prequel movies, that would have been 287 00:15:59.120 --> 00:16:02.240 harder to to get behind that time period in Star 288 00:16:02.279 --> 00:16:05.360 Wars history. But the show does a lot to redeem 289 00:16:05.799 --> 00:16:09.480 the failings of the prequel trilogy, and so that was 290 00:16:09.480 --> 00:16:11.240 definitely part of my experience. Then I grew up with 291 00:16:11.840 --> 00:16:14.120 then like Star Wars Rebels coming out, and then with 292 00:16:14.240 --> 00:16:17.480 Disney with the movies which I all went to see 293 00:16:17.480 --> 00:16:21.519 all of them, and then The Mandalorian obviously and some 294 00:16:21.600 --> 00:16:26.080 of the more recent adventures he has made into Star Wars. 295 00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:30.080 I would say there's been some good things, some bad things. 296 00:16:30.080 --> 00:16:32.799 I do actually really like Rogue One, but I haven't 297 00:16:32.840 --> 00:16:35.080 been a fan really of anything else Disney has done 298 00:16:35.120 --> 00:16:37.840 movie wise. I think some of the animated The animated 299 00:16:37.879 --> 00:16:40.639 stuff is generally pretty good, but it's definitely been a 300 00:16:40.639 --> 00:16:42.120 big part of my life as a kid. I would 301 00:16:42.120 --> 00:16:44.200 just I have this Ultimate Star Wars Dictionary, and I 302 00:16:44.200 --> 00:16:46.000 would just flip through it so I could tell you, 303 00:16:46.039 --> 00:16:48.480 like really obscure character names and things still from that. 304 00:16:49.360 --> 00:16:52.960 But it's definitely been very enjoyable in a I sympathize 305 00:16:52.960 --> 00:16:57.399 with only acknowledging the original three. I think I'm biased 306 00:16:57.399 --> 00:16:59.600 because I grew up with other stuff as well. I 307 00:16:59.600 --> 00:17:03.879 grew apocryphal apocryphal works. 308 00:17:04.839 --> 00:17:07.200 Yeah, I say it is something. It speaks something about 309 00:17:07.240 --> 00:17:11.119 the power of Star Wars that you know, there is 310 00:17:11.440 --> 00:17:14.000 this whole lored built up around it, right, even you know, 311 00:17:14.079 --> 00:17:17.400 dictionary of you know, Lord trivia type stuff. And I 312 00:17:17.400 --> 00:17:19.559 say that because it's kind of it's a bit unusual 313 00:17:19.559 --> 00:17:22.839 for something that's strictly cinematic. I mean, obviously it has books, 314 00:17:22.839 --> 00:17:25.640 but it's it's cinematic in its nature. Books spun out 315 00:17:25.680 --> 00:17:27.640 of that, I mean, And so it's one thing to 316 00:17:27.720 --> 00:17:31.640 have someone like Tolkien not and you know, don't. This 317 00:17:31.720 --> 00:17:35.000 is not at all undercutting Tolkien. Is Tolkien is far 318 00:17:35.000 --> 00:17:37.359 superior to anything Star Wars has to put out there, uh, 319 00:17:37.519 --> 00:17:40.160 make that clear. But at the same time, like it's 320 00:17:40.599 --> 00:17:42.680 I think it's far easier to have that kind of 321 00:17:43.039 --> 00:17:48.200 world in literature, that kind of gripping, deep world. It's 322 00:17:48.200 --> 00:17:51.319 something kind of unique about Star Wars that we get 323 00:17:51.319 --> 00:17:54.039 that in cinema or out of cinema, and so I 324 00:17:54.079 --> 00:17:55.640 think it just speaks to something about the power that 325 00:17:55.680 --> 00:17:58.279 lies underneath it. Or we'll come back to to some 326 00:17:58.319 --> 00:18:02.000 of that. Justin tell us about your bench and Star Wars. 327 00:18:02.720 --> 00:18:05.920 Okay, well, I've also loved Star Wars since I was 328 00:18:05.920 --> 00:18:11.960 a kid. I first saw it on TV actually, you know, 329 00:18:12.079 --> 00:18:16.640 cable television or whatever, so with commercials back in the day. 330 00:18:16.920 --> 00:18:20.279 And I don't know why I hadn't seen it before. 331 00:18:20.480 --> 00:18:23.039 I just didn't really know anyone who had seen. Of 332 00:18:23.079 --> 00:18:26.880 course i'd heard of it and everything, and I remember 333 00:18:26.960 --> 00:18:31.559 watching it just by myself. It might have just been 334 00:18:31.640 --> 00:18:33.680 all in one day, I can't remember. Maybe it was 335 00:18:33.720 --> 00:18:37.079 over the course of a couple of days, but I 336 00:18:37.160 --> 00:18:42.599 just remember just sitting there and being like this, this 337 00:18:42.680 --> 00:18:46.359 is incredible. This is like the best movies I've ever seen. 338 00:18:47.440 --> 00:18:49.799 And then I remember I went to like basketball practice 339 00:18:49.920 --> 00:18:52.119 or something and told one of the guys on my team, 340 00:18:52.799 --> 00:18:55.359 you know, I thought I was kind of this nerdy 341 00:18:55.359 --> 00:18:57.559 thing a little bit, and he was like, oh, yeah, 342 00:18:57.880 --> 00:19:01.240 Star Wars. It's incredible. So I've been a fan ever 343 00:19:01.279 --> 00:19:10.559 since then. I'll say that when the Disney bought it, 344 00:19:11.279 --> 00:19:14.839 I was so excited for the first one they were, 345 00:19:15.680 --> 00:19:21.599 uh make it was that what was the name of 346 00:19:21.599 --> 00:19:27.680 that one, I can't I can't remember right now, The 347 00:19:27.720 --> 00:19:31.160 Force Awakens, Yeah, And I was so excited. I had 348 00:19:31.319 --> 00:19:34.960 my dog was named after a Star Wars character, Like, 349 00:19:35.079 --> 00:19:38.759 I was so excited, and I went to the theater 350 00:19:39.480 --> 00:19:42.400 and I watched it, and I don't know how long 351 00:19:42.440 --> 00:19:44.319 it took me, but it was not very long, like 352 00:19:44.480 --> 00:19:48.519 fifteen minutes maybe, and then half an hour and then 353 00:19:48.559 --> 00:19:52.680 an hour, and I was just I was so I 354 00:19:52.720 --> 00:19:55.119 was just like, this is I can't believe. 355 00:19:55.640 --> 00:19:56.039 I was. 356 00:19:57.599 --> 00:20:00.279 I couldn't believe what they did, and I'd never I 357 00:20:00.400 --> 00:20:04.319 just swore to myself I wouldn't see another single movie 358 00:20:05.160 --> 00:20:12.240 that was I just it was heretical to me. Years later, 359 00:20:12.799 --> 00:20:18.759 this is probably maybe maybe two years back now, I 360 00:20:18.880 --> 00:20:24.440 was talking with a Christian elder brother sort of friend 361 00:20:24.640 --> 00:20:29.039 slash mentor, and he was like, and I was weak. 362 00:20:29.119 --> 00:20:31.000 The topic of Star Wars came up and he was like, 363 00:20:31.880 --> 00:20:33.559 he was like, yeah, I hear what you're saying, but 364 00:20:33.680 --> 00:20:37.799 you should check out the Mandalorian. Like it's it's actually good, 365 00:20:38.200 --> 00:20:41.400 Like really, He's like, yeah, it floes a little bit 366 00:20:41.400 --> 00:20:44.039 more under the radar because it's a show and you know, 367 00:20:44.119 --> 00:20:46.640 they don't have to kind of do some of the 368 00:20:46.680 --> 00:20:50.359 other stuff that gets in there for these bigger releases, 369 00:20:50.480 --> 00:20:55.039 and it's like, it's actually good, you know, you know, 370 00:20:57.720 --> 00:21:02.079 oh man, I'm blanking what you know, hovercraft racing through 371 00:21:02.079 --> 00:21:06.680 the desert and whatnot. So I watched Mandalorian and that 372 00:21:06.880 --> 00:21:10.119 brought me kind of back into the fold with some 373 00:21:10.200 --> 00:21:14.799 of the new stuff. I have very strong opinions about 374 00:21:15.039 --> 00:21:21.559 what is canon. My cannon is the original three. The 375 00:21:21.599 --> 00:21:27.559 prequels obviously not as good, but I count them the 376 00:21:27.599 --> 00:21:32.720 Mandalorian seasons one and two, but not beyond that. And 377 00:21:32.759 --> 00:21:36.119 if none of you have seen this, the Mandalorian seasons 378 00:21:36.160 --> 00:21:38.480 one and two is good. And the reveal at the 379 00:21:38.599 --> 00:21:44.400 end of season two is just so phenomenal that I mean, 380 00:21:44.559 --> 00:21:49.000 I gotta give them credit for that, and then Knights 381 00:21:49.039 --> 00:21:54.599 of the Old Republic the first game is probably the 382 00:21:54.640 --> 00:22:00.480 best Star Wars story certainly, you know, since the the 383 00:22:00.519 --> 00:22:04.279 original three, and i'd even like entertained the argument that 384 00:22:04.359 --> 00:22:08.640 it's maybe a better story than it's so good. Yeah, 385 00:22:08.680 --> 00:22:12.599 it's amazing. So that's that's my that's my canon. 386 00:22:12.920 --> 00:22:16.480 Yeah, good, Yeah, And I definitely echo a lot of that. 387 00:22:17.200 --> 00:22:19.160 You know, I already mentioned Nights of the Old Republic 388 00:22:19.200 --> 00:22:24.000 and I totally agree that it's it's debatably on par 389 00:22:24.119 --> 00:22:27.960 with the original series, although I feel very uncomfortable saying that, 390 00:22:28.920 --> 00:22:32.160 but it's definitely, you know, it's the best thing since 391 00:22:32.200 --> 00:22:35.079 then at least. And yeah, the Mandalorian is great. It's 392 00:22:35.079 --> 00:22:37.319 probably the best that's come out of the Disney era. 393 00:22:38.279 --> 00:22:41.480 I've only seen the first two seasons so far. That's 394 00:22:41.480 --> 00:22:43.880 a bad habit of watching a show, even a show 395 00:22:43.880 --> 00:22:48.200 that I enjoy, and then I just stop get distracted 396 00:22:48.200 --> 00:22:51.519 by other things. So I haven't willfully not watched the 397 00:22:51.519 --> 00:22:53.319 third season. Just has it happened so far. I'll get 398 00:22:53.359 --> 00:22:57.359 there at some point. Yeah, So so far, not a 399 00:22:57.359 --> 00:23:01.759 lot of love for for Disney and listent's hear what 400 00:23:01.799 --> 00:23:03.319 you have to say, and then we'll circle back around 401 00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:05.119