Speaker 1: And I just turned around and I call ass out
Speaker 1: of there.
Speaker 2: I was done. I wasn't deal with them.
Speaker 3: The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things
Speaker 3: that turned me.
Speaker 4: Away the quickest.
Speaker 3: When I turned my head lights on, it turned and
Speaker 3: looked at us.
Speaker 5: And one of the things I remember the most, where
Speaker 5: the eyes were glowing red. I see an orb of light.
Speaker 5: It is just circling these steps like it is waiting
Speaker 5: for me.
Speaker 6: And he begins to tell them that he saw a UFO.
Speaker 4: They're basically like, what are you talking about.
Speaker 7: That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it,
Speaker 7: and that's where I saw.
Speaker 5: The top of the muzzle, nose and the eyes. As
Speaker 5: soon as I made eye contact with this thing. I
Speaker 5: don't like death. Welcome back to ten, Foyle tells. I'm
Speaker 5: your host, Brandon and I We're joined by my guest
Speaker 5: Tim and Kate. Thanks for coming on here and talking
Speaker 5: with me.
Speaker 3: Thank you for having us.
Speaker 5: Would you like to let the audience know a little
Speaker 5: bit about yourself before we get into it.
Speaker 2: So my name is Tim. I have my fiancee Kate
Speaker 2: here next to me. We also have an investigators. It's
Speaker 2: about two hours away from us. She wasn't able to
Speaker 2: make it here tonight due to that. But we are
Speaker 2: forever investigating beyond or fib paranormal as some of us
Speaker 2: call up, some of them call us, but we go
Speaker 2: out and do paranormal investigations all of the United States.
Speaker 2: We're getting ready to go down to Savannah, Georgia Friday
Speaker 2: for a par con and then the next weekend we're
Speaker 2: going to go to West Virginia to trains Alleghany. So
Speaker 2: I'm very excited for that.
Speaker 5: We got she had into all this.
Speaker 2: But when I was younger, I don't know, I was
Speaker 2: like four or five, but I had my first paranormal
Speaker 2: experience in my grandma's living room. We were me and
Speaker 2: my siblings and my cousins were all having like a
Speaker 2: sleepover Slummer party in my grandma's living room and I
Speaker 2: woke up the middle of the night to go use
Speaker 2: the bathroom, and as I was walking down the hall,
Speaker 2: I saw this tall, big year standing in the middle
Speaker 2: of the hallway, and so I ran to my grandma's
Speaker 2: room and woke her up, and she turned on all
Speaker 2: the lights and nobody was in there. So they kind
Speaker 2: of freaked me.
Speaker 5: Out about how big was it.
Speaker 2: I don't know. It took up most of the hallway,
Speaker 2: so it was pretty tall.
Speaker 4: Bigger than normal human size.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I've actually spoke to someone recently that talked about this
Speaker 5: big it's almost like a shadow entity. But they said
Speaker 5: it was taller than where the roof was. Wow, that's
Speaker 5: just guessing about the average size of a house. Just
Speaker 5: say maybe ten to twelve feet where the roof begins,
Speaker 5: and it was taller than that. So that's very big
Speaker 5: for a shadow thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this one was like maybe it was
Speaker 2: between six and seven feet because its head was like
Speaker 2: right below the ceiling, so it was pretty tall.
Speaker 5: And you said you were about how old, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I was like four or five. I was pretty young.
Speaker 2: I don't remember the exact age, but.
Speaker 5: I know enough to leave an impact on you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that was my first experience, But ever since then,
Speaker 2: I've had multiple other experiences. Even in my early twenties,
Speaker 2: I had experiences, and so I was I started to
Speaker 2: get curious that I was no longer scared. I was
Speaker 2: just more curious than anything, And so I started doing
Speaker 2: my own investigations trying to figure out what it was
Speaker 2: that possibly was following me. I didn't know if it
Speaker 2: was or not, but it seemed like everywhere I went
Speaker 2: I was having something happen. So I started doing the
Speaker 2: paranormal thing and really enjoy it. I do like the
Speaker 2: whole debunking stuff first before I try to claim paranormal
Speaker 2: but you know, my own personal experiences those kind of
Speaker 2: left the impact on me.
Speaker 5: So I think trying to debunk everything is one of
Speaker 5: the best ways of going about proving something exists. Because
Speaker 5: if you can rule out everything else in your left
Speaker 5: with something that's not able to be ruled out, then
Speaker 5: what do you have? Clearly something? It's not proof, but
Speaker 5: it's not anything that we can explain.
Speaker 2: Absolutely it opens up the door that's one hundred percent true,
Speaker 2: and you know, you can go through all the scientific
Speaker 2: stuff that you want to go through, but you know,
Speaker 2: science can't explain everything.
Speaker 5: So this is my own little opinion about science. But
Speaker 5: back in the old time, science was used to discover things,
Speaker 5: and now I feel like science makes it seem like
Speaker 5: they know everything and they shut everything down. The possibility
Speaker 5: of discovery is gone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody wants science to give an explanation for everything,
Speaker 2: and so they rely upon it to say, hey, no,
Speaker 2: that there's a reason for that. There's a scientific reason
Speaker 2: for it, and that's just kind of how they leave it.
Speaker 2: They don't try to explain it away. They don't try
Speaker 2: to do any of that. It's just there's a scientific
Speaker 2: reason for it. They don't know why. But you can't
Speaker 2: rely on on that, you know, it's it's just something
Speaker 2: that it's hard to explain. But people want to know
Speaker 2: that there's a reason for things that happen, and science
Speaker 2: cannot explain it away.
Speaker 5: There are a lot of things that people have experienced,
Speaker 5: there's a lot of things that people see. There's a
Speaker 5: lot of things that go on in this world that
Speaker 5: no one can explain. And when you look towards science
Speaker 5: for answers, and the science says this stuff isn't true,
Speaker 5: there's no possibility for this or anything else. I don't
Speaker 5: think science should rule out possibilities for anything, because how
Speaker 5: many hundreds of years ago did everyone know that if
Speaker 5: they keep sailing across the ocean, they're going to fall
Speaker 5: off the edge, And then they just covered the you
Speaker 5: know what I mean? Like right, we keep learning more
Speaker 5: and more from discovery, but we've gotten to the point
Speaker 5: now where science has made it to where they're like
Speaker 5: gatekeeping it.
Speaker 2: Well, of course they are. It's it's it's all.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 2: They don't want to release anything to anybody. They don't
Speaker 2: want to lose what they know. And if everybody else knows,
Speaker 2: then they're not the only ones that know.
Speaker 3: And it goes back to the saying knowledge is power.
Speaker 3: That if they know these things and they can explain
Speaker 3: things away, you're not going to have people that follow you.
Speaker 4: I mean it's kind of.
Speaker 3: Like spiritual spirituality or religion. You know, if you know
Speaker 3: these things and you can you can debunk them, or
Speaker 3: you can explain it away or have proof of something
Speaker 3: does or does not exist, then.
Speaker 4: Why are people following it?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 2: That's uh yeah.
Speaker 5: I feel the same way when it comes to the
Speaker 5: UFO realm. Like I'm not saying there's aliens coming around
Speaker 5: here and doing all sorts of things, but I feel
Speaker 5: like if they do have some sort of technology that
Speaker 5: they've recovered, I'm not saying it's from space, it could
Speaker 5: be something completely different, but they keep that to their
Speaker 5: advantage so they have the power over everyone else. It's
Speaker 5: all means of control. Yeah, So even if things are supernatural,
Speaker 5: interdimensional alien, who knows. I just feel like we'll never
Speaker 5: know the truth about it because for some reason, there's
Speaker 5: people in places that want to keep that power for themselves.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, and it's like as technology has advanced, there used
Speaker 3: to be so many UFO sightings, which is understandable it's
Speaker 3: unidentified flying object, But why why has it declined so
Speaker 3: much that you know, people aren't speaking out about it
Speaker 3: or you know, making videos about it or saying it
Speaker 3: on you know, all the different social medias. You know,
Speaker 3: there could be something you know, from technology. Excuse me
Speaker 3: advancing that. You know, they're they're blocking stuff, They're preventing
Speaker 3: people from seeing things or speaking out. You know, like,
Speaker 3: who knows what could be out there that they have
Speaker 3: discovered that they aren't letting us know.
Speaker 5: I have a video on my phone that I recorded.
Speaker 5: It'll be I think two years this upcoming December, and
Speaker 5: there was some kind of a weird light. We thought
Speaker 5: it was starlink at first, out in front of our
Speaker 5: house on our way home, and on my video from
Speaker 5: where I recorded it, you can actually see what we
Speaker 5: were seeing. But when I send that video to anyone
Speaker 5: else that it's not on there. Oh wow, you like
Speaker 5: I can show everyone on my personal phone, Like on
Speaker 5: my video, you can see it. But if I try
Speaker 5: to text that to you or I send it to
Speaker 5: you or email it to you, it's like they the
Speaker 5: quality of it just goes away to where you can't
Speaker 5: actually see what is on my video. And I don't
Speaker 5: understand how that's.
Speaker 3: Possible and all, especially with everybody having smartphones and the
Speaker 3: you know, amazing cameras that they have, and you know,
Speaker 3: why can't you transfer that quality over you know, the
Speaker 3: Wi Fi or data lines.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's with me being a conspiracy type person, I said,
Speaker 5: it's probably something in the programs of the devices that
Speaker 5: you can't send it out that gets rid of it
Speaker 5: personally because they don't want people to see it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes sense. So you had I can't believe that.
Speaker 5: You said you had multiple experiences, So what are some
Speaker 5: of the other ones you've dealt with.
Speaker 2: So I was nineteen when I went to the military
Speaker 2: after high school, and the base housing I got put in,
Speaker 2: I started like I would hear things, and at first
Speaker 2: I thought it was maybe just because there was an
Speaker 2: older house, but then you know, I got a dog
Speaker 2: and also other stuff. But one day I was sitting
Speaker 2: in the living room on the couch and the dining
Speaker 2: room was to the right of me, and there was
Speaker 2: a window that kind of was in the middle of
Speaker 2: the wall in the dining room, and I was sitting
Speaker 2: there watching TV. My dog was laying on the floor
Speaker 2: next to me, and I saw something on the corner
Speaker 2: of my eye through the window, and she had perked
Speaker 2: up as well, and she looked out the window, so
Speaker 2: it got her attention, and it was a black mass.
Speaker 2: I couldn't tell you what it looked like because I
Speaker 2: only saw all the corner of my eye. But I
Speaker 2: walked to my back door and I opened the back
Speaker 2: door and there was nothing there. There was nobody outside.
Speaker 2: I have no idea what it was. And then same house,
Speaker 2: I was taking an app upstairs in my bedroom and
Speaker 2: I had a plastic bag on the inside of our
Speaker 2: bedroom door to throw trash and stuff away. Well, I
Speaker 2: heard the rustling of the plastic bag, and when I
Speaker 2: woke up, there was a little girl. It was like
Speaker 2: a really weird experience. She was standing in the doorway
Speaker 2: and as soon as I looked at her, she ran
Speaker 2: towards my side, like straight to me, and then just
Speaker 2: completely disappeared. And that that freaked me out. That was
Speaker 2: like the second time in my life that I've ever
Speaker 2: been freaked out because it happened within you know seconds.
Speaker 2: I also I also had you know, my kids toys
Speaker 2: going off all the time in the living room. I
Speaker 2: had AMFM radio in the kitchen that I would listen
Speaker 2: to when I cook dinner and stuff. And I woke
Speaker 2: up one morning it was two o'clock in the morning
Speaker 2: the alarm was going off on it. Well, I turned
Speaker 2: the alarm off, and it was like one of those
Speaker 2: sliding switches, so I turned it to the off position. Well,
Speaker 2: I woke up again the next morning at two o'clock
Speaker 2: in the morning because it was going off again. So
Speaker 2: there's just a.
Speaker 6: Lot of.
Speaker 2: Different things that was happening. I lived with my grandma
Speaker 2: and grandma and their house was extremely haunted. I'm actually
Speaker 2: trying to conjure up enough enough guts to go knock
Speaker 2: on the door because my grandma grandpa along a round.
Speaker 2: But you know, somebody else lives in their house, and
Speaker 2: I want to go knock on the door and just
Speaker 2: kind of see if they're getting the same experiences that
Speaker 2: I had when I was there, and if they are,
Speaker 2: if they would be if they wouldn't mind that I'd
Speaker 2: come in and kind of, you know, do my own
Speaker 2: little investigation inside their home, not trying to you know,
Speaker 2: get into their personal space. But every year, they would
Speaker 2: have a Santa Claus that they hung on the inside
Speaker 2: of the front door, and it was a motion activated thing,
Speaker 2: so every time it'll go off, it would sing, you know,
Speaker 2: Christmas carols. Well, we would have to turn it off
Speaker 2: because it would constantly go off at night and they
Speaker 2: would wake everybody up all the time. You know, my brother,
Speaker 2: he was there with me, and he was trying to
Speaker 2: get into the church theme and all that, and he
Speaker 2: had a pasture come in to my grandma's house, and
Speaker 2: no more than ten minutes later, he comes walking through
Speaker 2: the house and he's completely in tears, and he told
Speaker 2: my grandma that the devil lives in her house and
Speaker 2: that he was never going to come back. So, you know,
Speaker 2: it was just a lot of different things that I've experienced.
Speaker 5: As your grandparents ever mentioned anything weird about their house.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've always told us that they when they were younger,
Speaker 2: when they first got the house. They lived in the
Speaker 2: house for like forty some almost fifty years, and they
Speaker 2: said when they first moved in like them and their
Speaker 2: friends and stuff would play the Ouiji boards and stuff
Speaker 2: in the in the kitchen on the kitchen table, and
Speaker 2: they've always told us as kids that the table would
Speaker 2: like it actually got up and started moving around on
Speaker 2: its own. I didn't know if that was just stories
Speaker 2: that they told us because we're kids and they're trying
Speaker 2: to scare us. But her house was haunted, like I,
Speaker 2: I heard things, I seen things. I felt somebody sit
Speaker 2: down at the end of my bed when I was
Speaker 2: falling asleep, you know, the indentation of the bed by
Speaker 2: my feet. So I'd always hear kids laughing in my
Speaker 2: closet in the bedroom, and you know, late at night,
Speaker 2: eleven o'clock midnight, when no kids should be out running
Speaker 2: around playing. So there's a lot of weird things that
Speaker 2: that was in the house.
Speaker 5: Have you ever considered that maybe like with you or
Speaker 5: you're more in tune to this stuff so you sense
Speaker 5: it more, You're able to experience it more because there's
Speaker 5: I don't want to like your psyching medium or something
Speaker 5: like that, but you were able to channel into this
Speaker 5: other stuff easily more so than other people.
Speaker 2: I've always thought that I've I've thought that more and
Speaker 2: more as I got older and older, because I can
Speaker 2: still see things out of the corner of my eye,
Speaker 2: and even in the house that Hey and I live in,
Speaker 2: like I would, I stopped her one night. I gave
Speaker 2: her a hug and we were just talking and all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, I see something on the corner. I'm like, Hey,
Speaker 2: did you see that. She's like, no, there's something there.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to talk to a lot because the kids,
Speaker 2: I don't want them to hear me.
Speaker 5: But that's a That's why I moved out here to
Speaker 5: a studio so I get away from my kids so
Speaker 5: they don't hear all the stuff we talk about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they'll they'll come find us if we walk away.
Speaker 2: So we just had to let them know that we're
Speaker 2: in the living room and as long as they can
Speaker 2: hear us, they're not going to bother us.
Speaker 4: I guess.
Speaker 5: So you still have activity that have now.
Speaker 6: Not?
Speaker 2: I haven't. I've lived here what about less than a year,
Speaker 2: about a year and a half. I haven't really. I
Speaker 2: don't think I've really experienced a whole lot here. I know.
Speaker 2: I was putting together an SLS camera and as I
Speaker 2: was testing it, out there was like something on the wall,
Speaker 2: but it's an SLS camera. I'm not going to sit
Speaker 2: here and say that there's something there.
Speaker 3: I mean, we I don't think we've really had anything
Speaker 3: happen in the house, but when we go to investigations,
Speaker 3: Tim definitely sees a lot more things than some of
Speaker 3: us in the group do.
Speaker 5: Was this something that you were interested in before you
Speaker 5: got with Tim.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't necessarily have the same type of experiences
Speaker 3: he did, but I've always been drawn to, you know,
Speaker 3: the spooky, scary, like Halloween was my favorite holiday growing up,
Speaker 3: you know, and anything with like crystals or you know,
Speaker 3: like magic spells and you know, going into ghost stories
Speaker 3: and hauntings. It's always something I've been drawn to. But
Speaker 3: the community, the you know, the town growing up, it
Speaker 3: wasn't something that was you know, widely talked about or
Speaker 3: widely accepted if you were into that kind of stuff,
Speaker 3: because then you were just weird and you know, kind
Speaker 3: of a social pariah. Because it was a very small
Speaker 3: school that I went to growing up, you know, becoming
Speaker 3: an adult living on my own, you know, meeting more people,
Speaker 3: finding Tim and realizing that we had the same kind
Speaker 3: of interest in this.
Speaker 4: Topic we have we.
Speaker 3: Decided to explore more. I mean, he's obviously been doing
Speaker 3: it a very long time, but he was able to
Speaker 3: explain things to me and how to get more into
Speaker 3: it and how things worked and what we look for,
Speaker 3: and really helped me feel comfortable with a lot of
Speaker 3: the things that you know, I might not have realized
Speaker 3: I've seen or noticed growing up. But it was a
Speaker 3: very nice, serendipitous moment when we realized we both enjoyed
Speaker 3: the topic of hauntings and investigations, and it was something
Speaker 3: that we decided that we could do together because I
Speaker 3: don't think you've done it for quite a few years,
Speaker 3: and I'd never gone investigating, so being able to do
Speaker 3: that together as a couple, but it was really nice.
Speaker 5: What are some of the places you've guys have investigated together.
Speaker 2: Together. We've been to Whispers Estate in Indiana, Randoff County Infirmary,
Speaker 2: We've been.
Speaker 3: To Edinburgh Manor in Iowa.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're getting ready to go to trains Alleghany. We're
Speaker 2: going to go back to Whispers of State and then
Speaker 2: we're going to go to the State House in Indiana
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 3: That one's fairly new. We've been to the Haunted Sleeper
Speaker 3: Mortuary in Iowa, Kansas, and we've been to Malvern Manor
Speaker 3: in Malvern, Iowa a few times.
Speaker 5: I don't think you're too far from me. I'm in
Speaker 5: north central Indiana, so I'm only about an hour and
Speaker 5: a half to two hours from Chicago area.
Speaker 2: Oh okay. I used to live out in the Munsey area.
Speaker 5: It's funny you mentioned Mounsey because I was just working
Speaker 5: down there for the last couple of months and I
Speaker 5: just moved out of that office and I'm in a
Speaker 5: different office. But I've been in Munsey for the last
Speaker 5: like four or five months.
Speaker 2: Oh nice. Yeah, I lived there for almost ten years,
Speaker 2: eleven years.
Speaker 5: Nice.
Speaker 2: And that's kind of where I started doing my my investigating.
Speaker 2: You know, I talk about it, and it was with
Speaker 2: my ex wife and we kind of we're no longer
Speaker 2: together obviously, but after we separated, the whole group just
Speaker 2: kind of disbanded and I lost all my equipment because
Speaker 2: I mean, everything that you have when you're married is
Speaker 2: both yours and so instead of just you know, going
Speaker 2: through any headaches or anything. Because I wanted to come
Speaker 2: back out here to Illinois to be with my family
Speaker 2: because I was out there by myself, and so I'm like,
Speaker 2: you know what, just keep everything I'm leaving.
Speaker 5: So make you make equipment now, don't you know?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 2: We do. We after we started this group together, we
Speaker 2: did purchase some stuff and I was getting ready to
Speaker 2: purchase a rempod and I decided not to because of
Speaker 2: how you know, expensive things get. And so I just
Speaker 2: kind of did some research and started building our own
Speaker 2: REM devices and that's what we use on our investigations.
Speaker 2: That's what you know. You can purchase our quick as
Speaker 2: well on our website. But yeah, we make REM devices.
Speaker 2: We make music boxes and response devices. They actually say
Speaker 2: yes or no. They are motion activated. I'm actually looking
Speaker 2: into doing something different with the music boxes where instead
Speaker 2: of using you know, motion activated, it's actually going to
Speaker 2: use like a wavelength where it'll send out a wave
Speaker 2: and then it'll come back to the second sensor and
Speaker 2: if anything disrupts that from its first reading, then it'll
Speaker 2: set it off. Basically you can kind of think of
Speaker 2: it like echolocation kind of. It's something that I'm looking
Speaker 2: into into doing, just something different.
Speaker 5: I have a few things that I got for trying
Speaker 5: to film this documentary, and I haven't actually had a
Speaker 5: whole lot of opportunity to go out and do the
Speaker 5: paranormal side of it out in the woods, and we've
Speaker 5: used the cameras and everything else. But I do have
Speaker 5: these little recording devices, these little light up devices. But
Speaker 5: most of the people that I'm friends with that would
Speaker 5: be willing to help me out do not want to
Speaker 5: go out and see the paranormal side of things. Are
Speaker 5: afraid of what we might conjure up.
Speaker 4: It's typical for a lot of people.
Speaker 5: Is that something that you guys have ever encountered where
Speaker 5: you've been afraid of maybe bringing something back, like an
Speaker 5: attachment from something you've investigated.
Speaker 3: My very first investigation was my very first investigation was
Speaker 3: obviously with Tim. We went to Whispers of State in Indiana,
Speaker 3: and I had no idea what to expect. So you
Speaker 3: see all the ghost investigation TV shows and movies and
Speaker 3: you know, you know, it's not like that, but until
Speaker 3: you experience, you don't really realize how different it is.
Speaker 3: But the whole night I was like so like wound
Speaker 3: up and anxious, and I couldn't sit still and my
Speaker 3: whole body was tense. And you know, we're always respectful
Speaker 3: to the spirits that are there, but we are also
Speaker 3: very firm that you know, they are not coming home
Speaker 3: with us. They're not allowed to follow us. You know,
Speaker 3: both he and I are into crystals and the power
Speaker 3: of protection that they can help carry, So we do
Speaker 3: bring those with us, but I don't think we've ever
Speaker 3: had an experience where we've been really worried about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we we set intensions, and we have, you know,
Speaker 2: very firm rules with them, you know, like our intention
Speaker 2: and rules is we can come communicate with you, but
Speaker 2: once we leave to go home, we pass that threshold
Speaker 2: of the door to exit, you are not allowed to
Speaker 2: follow us. You have to stay here.
Speaker 5: I've talked to several people and they always say we
Speaker 5: need to do some sort of a little like of
Speaker 5: a protective ritual when we go in there or anywhere
Speaker 5: we go to investigate to make sure that whatever we
Speaker 5: bring with us doesn't bring something else back. But I'm
Speaker 5: kind of a skeptic about a lot of these things,
Speaker 5: so I don't necessarily know if some of these things
Speaker 5: are true. Sometimes we go into these places and I
Speaker 5: don't think the few investigations I've actually done with the
Speaker 5: group around here that nothing ever happened. So I keep
Speaker 5: that skeptics site. I mean, I was like, eh, I'm
Speaker 5: not trying to rule everything out, write it off until
Speaker 5: they get to something where I can't explain it sure.
Speaker 3: All that kind of having that skepticism and not being
Speaker 3: sure how well some of the rituals for protection may
Speaker 3: work kind of goes back into having that faith or
Speaker 3: spirituality and having something there that.
Speaker 4: What you believe in is real.
Speaker 3: Like we have friends that when they go to investigations,
Speaker 3: every time before they go in, they do a prayer,
Speaker 3: you know, Tim and I we set our intentions, we
Speaker 3: are verbal about it, and we make it clear to
Speaker 3: whatever entity or spirits we encounter that this is it.
Speaker 3: You're you're not welcome to follow us, but we'll interact
Speaker 3: with you while we're here. Some people are more into
Speaker 3: like the herbal protection mixtures or you know, you go
Speaker 3: into witchcraft and you get you know, the little spell
Speaker 3: jars and things. It just depends on what you believe
Speaker 3: in and what you feel.
Speaker 4: Works for you.
Speaker 5: Now, some of the stuff that you have made for
Speaker 5: like your devices and everything. You said, it's almost like echolocation.
Speaker 2: Well, that's something that I mean, I'm looking into making
Speaker 2: currently for our music device. So basically what it is.
Speaker 2: You have two sensors that kind of sit next to
Speaker 2: each other. One shoots out a wavelength and then the
Speaker 2: other receives that wavelength. So let's say you set it
Speaker 2: in front of a wall and it reads that wall
Speaker 2: like eight feet in front of it. It's not going
Speaker 2: to activate because it's constantly reading this wall eight feet away.
Speaker 2: But if something steps in front of it and it
Speaker 2: breaks that wavelength from eight feet away, it'll set it off,
Speaker 2: notifying the user of that device that there's something possibly there.
Speaker 5: Okay, So I have cameras set up around here, and
Speaker 5: I got one out in my studio and the other
Speaker 5: day I got a notification that there was someone in
Speaker 5: my barn like my studio thing, and on the live
Speaker 5: feet of the camera, I see nothing, So I don't
Speaker 5: know what triggered that. It doesn't do it very very like.
Speaker 5: It's only done like once or twice. And the one
Speaker 5: time it did it, I actually seen like a shadow
Speaker 5: moving and something was actually blowing, which I tried to
Speaker 5: roll off as maybe is the wind from my air
Speaker 5: conditioner causing it to move? But why would it trigger
Speaker 5: it then when it's never done it all summer long?
Speaker 2: But right, do you get like headlights or anything where
Speaker 2: people turning, you know, if they're driving at night and
Speaker 2: they turn onto a certain road, do you get like
Speaker 2: headlights that could possibly go into the barn?
Speaker 5: Not usually, like the way it's set up, Like I
Speaker 5: at see where maybe something could trigger it that way,
Speaker 5: but it's never It could have been a random fluke.
Speaker 5: But it's been out here forever, well over a year
Speaker 5: at this point. It's never done it before. But no,
Speaker 5: it listed there was a person out here, and I've
Speaker 5: watched the video. I've looked at like I don't see
Speaker 5: anything on this And this just happened last week. So
Speaker 5: when I get a notification in the middle of night
Speaker 5: there's someone outside, so my phone goes off and I
Speaker 5: grab it real quick. I look. I was like, there's
Speaker 5: no one there.
Speaker 2: It's weird, creepy. Hey, you know, maybe it's something that
Speaker 2: you can do, maybe investigate your barn. I know, like
Speaker 2: a lot of people don't want to investigate their own
Speaker 2: home because they they don't want to know that there's
Speaker 2: something there. But if there's a possibility, why not.
Speaker 5: So this actually just kind of happened yesterday. We My
Speaker 5: son was having like he was at the doctor or
Speaker 5: whatever in the doctor to ask him, he's only four,
Speaker 5: is there anything that you're afraid of or anything like that,
Speaker 5: and he told them the faces, the scary faces, the
Speaker 5: ghost like, here we go again. So he's randomly brought
Speaker 5: up ghosts. And my other daughter he's mentioned stuff before
Speaker 5: when she was younger. So I think there is definitely
Speaker 5: some weird stuff around here. But for the most part,
Speaker 5: we don't really talk about it, and we just don't
Speaker 5: really it doesn't seem to do anything. So, but sometimes
Speaker 5: the kids will randomly bring it up.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's funny that you mentioned that because so my
Speaker 2: oldest daughter, she just turned eighteen in July, and when
Speaker 2: she was little, so her mom is Catholic, and it's
Speaker 2: the first time I ever stepped footing in a Catholic church,
Speaker 2: and it was obviously Easter. It was like that once
Speaker 2: a year kind of thing that she wanted to go,
Speaker 2: and it's the only time that I went. So we
Speaker 2: went into this Catholic church and my daughter were sitting
Speaker 2: near the back row and she keeps turning around on
Speaker 2: the bench and she starts talking to somebody. I'm like, hey,
Speaker 2: you know, turn around, pay attention. Whatever. Well, we get
Speaker 2: back out to the car, and I said, I said,
Speaker 2: who are you talking to? And she said, while I
Speaker 2: was talking to a guy named George. Now, my dad
Speaker 2: had passed away when I was twenty and his name
Speaker 2: is George, and he never got to meet my daughter.
Speaker 2: So I believe that for a long time that my
Speaker 2: dad had was following or you know, attached to me
Speaker 2: or attached to her, and maybe that's why I was
Speaker 2: having all these experiences, you know, like I don't know,
Speaker 2: but she definitely was, Like I was talking to George
Speaker 2: and she doesn't even know him. He passed away like
Speaker 2: three months before she was born.
Speaker 5: So my daughter had an imaginary friend when we first
Speaker 5: moved in. And I'm superstitious about imaginary friends. So there's
Speaker 5: a whole lot about that that I've talked about on
Speaker 5: another episode. So without going into it, let's just say
Speaker 5: I don't like imaginary friends.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I don't blame you there one bit,
Speaker 2: especially for somebody who doesn't, you know, typically go out
Speaker 2: and investigate like that. But I mean, if you're down
Speaker 2: at any time, let us know, we can definitely go
Speaker 2: out somewhere and do something. We can set something up
Speaker 2: to where, you know, you're able to join, we can
Speaker 2: contact you and say, hey, we have this staate available,
Speaker 2: are you available to go, and we won't book it
Speaker 2: until we know. I mean, it's up to you though,
Speaker 2: But if it's something that you want to experience and
Speaker 2: see all the equipment that Donal investigators use and how
Speaker 2: they use them and how spirits possibly interact with these
Speaker 2: pieces of equipment, then you're more than welcome to come
Speaker 2: out with us.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I definitely interested in doing that. I've went out
Speaker 5: with a couple of local groups here. There's been a
Speaker 5: few others that have asked me to go out, but
Speaker 5: majority of my time is either working family or what
Speaker 5: little free time I have doing this show, So that's
Speaker 5: never been It's never been easy for me to have
Speaker 5: the free time to go out there, as I struggle
Speaker 5: with and getting this documentary done because trying to work
Speaker 5: my schedule around other people's schedules just to get out
Speaker 5: there and film things have made it a lot more
Speaker 5: complicated than I expected it to be.
Speaker 2: And that's how I am with you know a lot
Speaker 2: of this uh building equipment stuff too, like it makes
Speaker 2: it hard to juggle everything that you have to do,
Speaker 2: you know, every day, but you have to get it done, so.
Speaker 5: Would you before we wrap this up, because we've been
Speaker 5: going on for about a little over half our almost
Speaker 5: forty minutes. Do you guys have a website or anything
Speaker 5: where anyone can check out the equipment you've worked on,
Speaker 5: or your group or anything like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Our website is fib PARANORMALLLC dot com and as
Speaker 2: of right now, we are only doing.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: We call them classic devices, so they're not they're not customized,
Speaker 2: but you can definitely purchase a customized device. They're basically
Speaker 2: like a pre order when you when you purchase them.
Speaker 2: So because there a customized device, they have to pay
Speaker 2: for them before we can start building and customizing them
Speaker 2: because obviously, like this customized device is not going to
Speaker 2: be anybody else's but theirs. So a lot of a
Speaker 2: lot of times what we do is we put team
Speaker 2: logos on them, or we we do specialized stuff that.
Speaker 4: Specific images.
Speaker 3: We've had people do their logos rooms just a basic
Speaker 3: group name. We also offer like crystals and you know,
Speaker 3: if anybody ever wanted anything else, we definitely try to
Speaker 3: incorporate it into it.
Speaker 2: And we have photos on our website as well of
Speaker 2: some of the things that we've done, but we we
Speaker 2: make you know, rem devices, proximity sensors, the motion activated
Speaker 2: music boxes. I actually so there's a tone or tune
Speaker 2: to the music device. It plays. It's like a twelve
Speaker 2: second tune, but I split it up into about four
Speaker 2: seconds each section, so it play in three different sections
Speaker 2: to complete the tune, because I know people don't want
Speaker 2: to listen to a twelve second tune every time it
Speaker 2: goes off and then they got to wait for it
Speaker 2: to stop or to go off again, you know, So
Speaker 2: I kind of split that up. And then we have
Speaker 2: a response device, which is kind of like a flux device,
Speaker 2: but it does say yes or no when it goes off.
Speaker 5: Have you actually had something interacting with like a device
Speaker 5: where it's been giving you answers or anything directly?
Speaker 2: So the only thing that we actually had that does that.
Speaker 2: We have one of our the other investigator, her name
Speaker 2: is Chris. She has an Obulus five and I like
Speaker 2: using the phone apps. I only like using certain ones
Speaker 2: ghost Tube and I just downloaded Transcend Theory, but those
Speaker 2: are the only two that I stick to. And we
Speaker 2: were at Whisper's estate and she was using her eye lists.
Speaker 2: I was using ghost tube, and it was almost like
Speaker 2: they were the spirits for having conversations with each other
Speaker 2: through the devices. It was kind of neat. But the
Speaker 2: spirit box mostly we use spirit you know, we do
Speaker 2: a lot of estist methods and we use a lot
Speaker 2: of spirit boxes to communicate with the spirits.
Speaker 5: I have a spirit box and my wife doesn't want
Speaker 5: me to mess with any other stuff at home. But
Speaker 5: when I first got it, I turned it on and
Speaker 5: my son and I were in the living room and
Speaker 5: it was scanning through things, and I was trying to
Speaker 5: explain to him what it is. He's twelve, He has
Speaker 5: no ever everything about what this stuff is. And I said,
Speaker 5: it is a spirit box. So you ask a question
Speaker 5: and if there's a spirit around, it'll answer you. I
Speaker 5: was like, so I asked, is there anyone out there?
Speaker 5: And within like a couple of seconds, we hear a
Speaker 5: voice and I don't remember at this point it was
Speaker 5: male or female as remember's voice, and I'm pretty sure
Speaker 5: it's so like it said hello, and then I just
Speaker 5: turned it off.
Speaker 2: So the thing with the spirit box is that it
Speaker 2: sweeps through the radio frequencies, you know, as fast as
Speaker 2: you want it to. I usually said about one hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty milliseconds. So what I mean by that is
Speaker 2: that every one hundred and fifty millisecond it's going to
Speaker 2: change the station. With the spirit box, you have to
Speaker 2: be aware of what's coming through and if it's something pertaining,
Speaker 2: if it's actually a spirit talking to you. Now, if
Speaker 2: it's like intelligent answers that you're getting pertaining to the
Speaker 2: questions that you're asking, the look that you're at, you know,
Speaker 2: the spirits that are known to be there, then you're
Speaker 2: you know, in theory, because everything's a theory, so in theory,
Speaker 2: you could possibly be communicating with the spirit that.
Speaker 5: Is there, right, And when you get the random noises
Speaker 5: or voices that don't make any sort of sense anything,
Speaker 5: that's where I kind of feel like it's just skipping
Speaker 5: through the stations and you're just getting random noise and
Speaker 5: it's not necessarily something communicating. It's just whatever little glimpse
Speaker 5: of that station that its picked up, right.
Speaker 2: And and that's the cool thing about like these ITC devices.
Speaker 2: You know a lot of people are leaning towards those
Speaker 2: because it's the only thing that you cannot manipulate, right,
Speaker 2: So you can't manipulate the spear box to go off
Speaker 2: and say what you wanted to say. But you can
Speaker 2: manipulate other devices to go off when you want them
Speaker 2: to go off. So you know, the TC, the communications,
Speaker 2: everything that free flows. You know a lot of investigators
Speaker 2: are leaning more and more towards those.
Speaker 5: Yeah. So I've been with people before that had the lights,
Speaker 5: Like the flashlight, they left it on the ground, they
Speaker 5: told it to turn it on. It turned it on.
Speaker 5: But I was like, WHOA, is there something out there
Speaker 5: where they can make it the light come on themselves?
Speaker 2: Like I don't mention the flashlight. You know, that's something
Speaker 2: that I just don't do.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I'm not saying that they were faking it,
Speaker 5: But that was just kind of the vibe that I
Speaker 5: had gotten at that point, was like, man, just because
Speaker 5: the light came on doesn't mean they don't make like
Speaker 5: trick lights that you can't press a button in your
Speaker 5: pocket that makes the light come on. I don't know
Speaker 5: if that's something out there that way or not, but
Speaker 5: that's just they give me try to rationalize some of
Speaker 5: the things out there to see if anything.
Speaker 3: That's like the debunking that we do is that you know,
Speaker 3: we try to for any sort of reason why something
Speaker 3: may have gone off or gotten set off or you know,
Speaker 3: the cat balls have started lighting up. That's one that
Speaker 3: we did it. Oh, we forgot asher Walton. We went
Speaker 3: to asher Walton with another group that we're friends with,
Speaker 3: and they had a dead bell sitting on a like
Speaker 3: a buffet table and there were some catballs on there,
Speaker 3: and the dead bell was going off and then the
Speaker 3: cat balls were going off, like almost immediately at the
Speaker 3: same time. Eventually we figured out that the dead bell
Speaker 3: was going off, but the vibrations that it was creating
Speaker 3: on the table were setting off the cat ball.
Speaker 4: So, you know, we we try to.
Speaker 3: Look at all aspects of it to be like, okay,
Speaker 3: well that's really not what we thought it was, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were like all excited and like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: the cat ball's time. I'm like, well, let's let's figure
Speaker 2: this out first, you know. Like, so we did, and
Speaker 2: we've we figured out that it was the dead bell.
Speaker 2: That was the vibration from the dead bell causing the
Speaker 2: cabballs to go off, and they're like, oh man, I
Speaker 2: wish that was that was so cool, Like yeah, well
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we we'd rather be disappointed and know for sure
Speaker 3: that it's you know, explainable versus.
Speaker 4: You know, just assuming that it is a spirit that
Speaker 4: we're talking to or communicating with.
Speaker 5: That's the struggle that I'm having with my friend that's
Speaker 5: helping me make this documentary is we don't want to
Speaker 5: make anything boring, but we can't go out there and
Speaker 5: just automatically catch stuff.
Speaker 2: So yeah, well, like when we investigate, I don't wear
Speaker 2: my smart watch ever because you just never know if,
Speaker 2: like you're, my smart watch is going to make anything
Speaker 2: go off. We don't use walkie talking unless if we're
Speaker 2: setting up cameras, because we all know the radio wation
Speaker 2: walkie talkies are gonna set off everything. And you know,
Speaker 2: like I watch it's almost it's almost disappointing because I
Speaker 2: watch all these YouTube videos and I watch all these
Speaker 2: you know, famous people doing this ghost investigating stuff. But
Speaker 2: it's like every five seconds something's happening. But then you
Speaker 2: go out and investigate yourself, and it's like you you
Speaker 2: go for sixteen hours just to get one or two
Speaker 2: experiences in sixteen hours, you know what I mean. But
Speaker 2: you're watching TV and it's like constant, just back to
Speaker 2: back to back, and it's like you know, it's disappointing
Speaker 2: because you know it's not it's not real.
Speaker 5: I think a lot of the shows are just done
Speaker 5: at this point for entertainment purposes, so I don't necessarily
Speaker 5: trust anything that's on TV.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, And we go and we go live on
Speaker 2: our TikTok channel fib Paranormal, and what we experience is
Speaker 2: what our viewers experience. And if we don't experience anything,
Speaker 2: our viewers don't experience anything. But you're there with us.
Speaker 2: You're there in the dark with us. Basically, you're in
Speaker 2: the same environment we're in, experiencing what we're experiencing. You're
Speaker 2: experiencing the darkness us attempting to communicate with the spirits.
Speaker 2: But if they're not communicating back, you know, that's that's
Speaker 2: it's immersive for them, you know, and and we we
Speaker 2: like it that way well.
Speaker 4: And it's in real time.
Speaker 3: It's not you know, snapshots like a TV show. You're
Speaker 3: you're not getting a three minute clip of us setting
Speaker 3: something up and then turning around and immediately.
Speaker 4: Having some type of reaction. You know, you're seeing us
Speaker 4: do it real time.
Speaker 3: And one thing that's nice about that is that we
Speaker 3: get people like they can interact with us. They can
Speaker 3: ask questions or point out like, oh, hey, did you
Speaker 3: guys notice something in the corner and we're like, well, no,
Speaker 3: but we'll definitely go back and look at the footage.
Speaker 3: So it's multiple pairs of eyes that are there and
Speaker 3: you know, point out things that we may not see.
Speaker 5: Yeah, totally. Well, guys, we can probably wrap this one up.
Speaker 5: It's definitely been a pleasure talking with you. But before
Speaker 5: we do again, I'd like free to let everyone know
Speaker 5: where they can find your website and if they're interested
Speaker 5: in having me out sometime or anything about your investigations,
Speaker 5: where where they can find you.
Speaker 3: So our website is fib Paranormal l LC dot com.
Speaker 3: We also have social media on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok.
Speaker 2: You talk to our main platform.
Speaker 3: By the way, yes, most of the time it is
Speaker 3: fib Paranormal. I think we have a group, pay group,
Speaker 3: and a page on Facebook where one is fib Paranormal
Speaker 3: and one is Forever Investigating Beyond. We tend to post
Speaker 3: fairly often. We like to have you know, new stuff,
Speaker 3: you know, different photos from investigations, and you know, we're
Speaker 3: really responsive. People can reach out to us, send us messages,
Speaker 3: ask us questions about our investigations or the products that
Speaker 3: we make, and you know, we're more than happy to
Speaker 3: talk to anybody that is curious about the paranormal. If
Speaker 3: anybody ever wants us to come to a home investigation,
Speaker 3: I think we're more than willing. It's not something that
Speaker 3: I've ever done, but Tim has done that in the past.
Speaker 3: And then you know, if anybody ever wants to do
Speaker 3: a collaboration with us, you know where We're always interested
Speaker 3: in meeting new teams, new people, and you know, finding
Speaker 3: new places to investigate.
Speaker 5: Awesome. I will make sure to put your website in
Speaker 5: the show notes for anyone listening. Okay, great, you well,
Speaker 5: it's been a pleasure talking to you guys.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having us.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been a great night.
Speaker 5: Thank you. You have a good night you too. If
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