WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.000 --> 00:00:02.600 It's Nights with Dan Ray. 2 00:00:03.279 --> 00:00:08.400 I'm doell you easy Boston's new video. All right, welcome 3 00:00:08.439 --> 00:00:13.560 back everyone. Well where were you twelve years ago tonight? 4 00:00:14.919 --> 00:00:18.800 I know exactly where I was twelve years ago tonight. 5 00:00:20.079 --> 00:00:25.039 It would have been the night of April fifteenth, two 6 00:00:25.120 --> 00:00:29.480 thy and thirteen. That was the day of the Boston 7 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:36.640 Marathon bombing. And I remember that night very clearly being 8 00:00:36.640 --> 00:00:39.679 on the air, and I even remember more clearly four 9 00:00:39.759 --> 00:00:46.320 nights later when the wild chase down Memorial Drive into 10 00:00:46.359 --> 00:00:51.719 Watertown occurred. But let's just go back to the bombing. 11 00:00:52.439 --> 00:00:58.079 And it's amazing to think that twelve years have passed, 12 00:01:00.039 --> 00:01:05.760 always stunned by the passage of time. And once again 13 00:01:07.200 --> 00:01:11.760 we need to remember and recall those who died, those 14 00:01:11.799 --> 00:01:18.040 who were killed, and those who were injured, who did 15 00:01:18.079 --> 00:01:20.680 nothing wrong that day. All they did was go to 16 00:01:20.760 --> 00:01:24.239 either run a race or watch the finish of a race. 17 00:01:24.599 --> 00:01:29.239 And you know, before I take your phone calls about 18 00:01:29.239 --> 00:01:33.480 your memory from that day in that week, I just 19 00:01:33.519 --> 00:01:37.480 want to again, you know, mention the names of Martin Richard, 20 00:01:37.480 --> 00:01:40.000 who was at the little eight year old boy from Dorchester, 21 00:01:41.439 --> 00:01:45.719 Lindsay lou the graduate student at Boston University, twenty three 22 00:01:45.799 --> 00:01:48.560 years of age. You think of it, you know, Martin 23 00:01:48.599 --> 00:01:52.120 Richard would be twenty today, he'd be a young man, 24 00:01:52.159 --> 00:01:55.760 probably finishing up his college, his time in college. Lindsay 25 00:01:55.879 --> 00:02:00.879 Lou who knows where she would be thirty five and 26 00:02:01.920 --> 00:02:06.079 could be you know, who knows where her career path 27 00:02:06.120 --> 00:02:11.960 would have taken her. Crystal Campbell was twenty nine, she 28 00:02:12.039 --> 00:02:15.199 grew up in Medford, was from Medford, and she would 29 00:02:15.199 --> 00:02:20.479 be forty one. And of course it was four days 30 00:02:20.560 --> 00:02:25.599 later when Mit Police officer Sean Collier was assassinated by 31 00:02:25.639 --> 00:02:30.879 these animals, the Boston bombers. He was twenty seven, so 32 00:02:30.960 --> 00:02:33.280 he would be now thirty nine years of age if 33 00:02:33.319 --> 00:02:37.599 he had survived. And then a Boston police officer, Dennis 34 00:02:37.680 --> 00:02:41.960 DJ Simons died a year later from injuries sustained during 35 00:02:41.960 --> 00:02:46.719 the manhunt for the bombers, and there were the appropriate 36 00:02:47.000 --> 00:02:52.439 services today memorializing this event. There was the one hundred 37 00:02:52.439 --> 00:02:55.560 and seventeenth running of the Boston Marathon in twenty and thirteen. 38 00:02:55.719 --> 00:02:59.439 It certainly brought our city together like it's never been 39 00:02:59.639 --> 00:03:04.800 brought together before. Boston strong and all that. The they were, 40 00:03:05.400 --> 00:03:08.639 they were upwards of I don't know how many hundreds 41 00:03:08.639 --> 00:03:11.879 of people injured. I've seen one statistic that says five 42 00:03:12.000 --> 00:03:17.560 hundred were injured. Obviously, five lost their lives, a dozen 43 00:03:18.759 --> 00:03:24.639 at least lost limbs in these two explosions, which were 44 00:03:24.680 --> 00:03:27.120 crimes against humanity is what they were. They were. They 45 00:03:27.120 --> 00:03:32.280 were labeled terrorism, and there was plenty of evidence why 46 00:03:32.319 --> 00:03:37.120 it was terrorism. And one of the bombers, Uh, the 47 00:03:37.240 --> 00:03:44.800 older brother, he was killed during a shootout in Watertown 48 00:03:44.840 --> 00:03:48.240 four nights later, and and then his younger brother actually 49 00:03:48.319 --> 00:03:52.360 drove over him, I believe, and as he was trying 50 00:03:52.400 --> 00:03:54.879 to escape and he was he wasn't found until the 51 00:03:54.919 --> 00:03:59.599 next morning. I think it was well, it was, it was. 52 00:03:59.719 --> 00:04:04.439 It was later that night found in the in the 53 00:04:04.439 --> 00:04:10.919 boat in the backyard in Watertown. But it was a 54 00:04:10.960 --> 00:04:17.959 horrific time in Boston that week. Mayor Menino, Police Commissioner 55 00:04:18.040 --> 00:04:23.240 Ed Davis, they they were extraordinary in their leadership of 56 00:04:23.240 --> 00:04:28.399 the city. There was so much about this. I don't 57 00:04:28.439 --> 00:04:33.160 want to revisit my my experiences. I'd like to know 58 00:04:33.360 --> 00:04:37.240 your experiences. I do remember even more vividly, I guess. 59 00:04:38.680 --> 00:04:41.879 Four nights later, it was Thursday night after President Obama 60 00:04:41.920 --> 00:04:45.360 had spoken in Boston at the Cathedral of the Holy Cross, 61 00:04:46.720 --> 00:04:51.240 and I was in the old studios at WBZ on 62 00:04:51.279 --> 00:04:55.360 soldiers Field Road. Little did I think twelve years later 63 00:04:55.519 --> 00:05:02.040 COVID would have basically compel me to do my shows remotely. 64 00:05:03.160 --> 00:05:07.800 For now, it's been five years, but not five years. No, 65 00:05:07.920 --> 00:05:11.279 might say four years, two thousand and one to three, 66 00:05:12.120 --> 00:05:14.319 two thousand and one, two thousand and two, three, four 67 00:05:14.399 --> 00:05:17.160 or five five years. I've done five years of remote 68 00:05:16.720 --> 00:05:23.079 remote broadcasts. But I remember the night on Thursday night 69 00:05:23.759 --> 00:05:26.720 that around I guess it was maybe ten o'clock or so, 70 00:05:27.480 --> 00:05:31.160 there was there was a story about a police officer 71 00:05:31.839 --> 00:05:35.759 who had been wounded on the campus of MIT, and 72 00:05:35.839 --> 00:05:37.879 the first reports were that he had been shot in 73 00:05:37.920 --> 00:05:44.439 the hand. And I never connected it with the Marathon bombers, 74 00:05:45.279 --> 00:05:49.600 but at that point Sean Collier was probably dead, uh, 75 00:05:49.639 --> 00:05:57.399 And I remembered that we had remembered the the shelter 76 00:05:57.519 --> 00:05:59.120 in place order for Friday. 77 00:05:59.519 --> 00:05:59.720 Yeah. 78 00:06:00.240 --> 00:06:04.800 Yeah. The brother wasn't caught until the next day, well 79 00:06:04.839 --> 00:06:08.279 into the next day when he was caught in Watertown. 80 00:06:09.360 --> 00:06:12.319 But that Friday night, I was going to pick my 81 00:06:12.399 --> 00:06:16.639 daughter up at Harvard. She had some sort of a 82 00:06:16.639 --> 00:06:19.000 doctor's appointment the next day, and I picked her up 83 00:06:19.160 --> 00:06:22.199 and this now was after midnight, and as I picked 84 00:06:22.240 --> 00:06:24.120 her up, I knew that there was a police chase 85 00:06:24.160 --> 00:06:27.199 going on down Memorial Drive, and that was the police 86 00:06:27.240 --> 00:06:30.160 chase in which they was going to terminate in Watertown. 87 00:06:30.160 --> 00:06:32.160 I remember my daughter jumped in the car. She had 88 00:06:32.560 --> 00:06:34.800 on her cell phone, she had a police scanner, and 89 00:06:34.800 --> 00:06:37.800 she said, let's follow, let's follow the police chase. And 90 00:06:37.839 --> 00:06:40.160 I said, are you crazy. You know, we're only going 91 00:06:40.199 --> 00:06:42.079 to get in the way. And so I just we 92 00:06:42.120 --> 00:06:45.360 went home. And then Friday, people sheltered in place on 93 00:06:45.399 --> 00:06:49.319 Friday morning. No one knew where this other madman was. 94 00:06:49.680 --> 00:06:54.759 He's now been convicted and is awaiting the death penalty 95 00:06:55.319 --> 00:06:59.720 out in Colorado. President Biden had suspended the death penalty. 96 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:05.319 Donald Trump said the death penalty will be reinstated. I 97 00:07:05.360 --> 00:07:09.639 can't think of any any individual more deserving of a 98 00:07:09.639 --> 00:07:14.040 federal death penalty than Boston bomber number two. So what 99 00:07:14.079 --> 00:07:16.759 I'd like to do is just spend a little bit 100 00:07:16.800 --> 00:07:21.160 of time here. If you were a friend of someone 101 00:07:21.199 --> 00:07:25.160 who who was killed, who were killed, of any of 102 00:07:25.240 --> 00:07:27.839 the people who were killed, and you'd like to talk 103 00:07:27.879 --> 00:07:30.040 about them, fine, if you'd like to talk about what 104 00:07:30.079 --> 00:07:34.120 your experience was the day of the bombing, or maybe 105 00:07:34.199 --> 00:07:37.639 as I just talked about my experience the night that 106 00:07:37.720 --> 00:07:39.920 they were well, that one was killed and the other 107 00:07:40.360 --> 00:07:43.560 took shelter inside of a boat and actually scrawled inside 108 00:07:43.600 --> 00:07:48.279 the boat and basically admitted with he wrote in with 109 00:07:48.360 --> 00:07:52.199 his I guess his blood inside the boat, what they 110 00:07:52.240 --> 00:07:56.839 were doing, and why they did it. I just think 111 00:07:56.879 --> 00:08:00.600 it's important not to forget these things. You know, in 112 00:08:00.639 --> 00:08:04.519 the normal course of a year, none of us probably 113 00:08:04.560 --> 00:08:08.319 give it a second thought unless we're a family member 114 00:08:08.839 --> 00:08:13.959 of someone who was killed. So this is an opportunity 115 00:08:14.199 --> 00:08:18.439 just to rekindle that spirit, if you will. Boston Strong, 116 00:08:19.480 --> 00:08:22.120 which sounded very much like a slogan at the time, 117 00:08:22.199 --> 00:08:27.879 but I wish that slogan came back. I don't feel 118 00:08:27.879 --> 00:08:31.519 like it's Boston Strong anymore. I feel like, yeah, we're 119 00:08:31.560 --> 00:08:35.600 Boston and all of that, and we're approaching the two 120 00:08:35.639 --> 00:08:38.600 hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the Revolution, and there will 121 00:08:38.639 --> 00:08:41.279 be of the American Revolution, the beginning of the American Revolution, 122 00:08:41.399 --> 00:08:43.399 the Battle of Lexington Concert and all of that. But 123 00:08:43.679 --> 00:08:47.240 I don't feel there's We're such a divided country, and 124 00:08:47.279 --> 00:08:50.399 obviously it's politics that divides us. I get it, but 125 00:08:50.519 --> 00:08:53.240 maybe for the balance of this hour, we could just 126 00:08:53.320 --> 00:09:00.200 talk as fellow Americans and celebrate what we have and 127 00:09:00.320 --> 00:09:05.960 celebrate what some successfully we stopped people from taking away 128 00:09:05.960 --> 00:09:10.159 from us. We celebrate our police officers, our firefighters are 129 00:09:10.200 --> 00:09:14.679 EMTs uh and and the leadership that we had the 130 00:09:14.759 --> 00:09:19.960 late Great Tominino and former Boston Police Commissioner At Davis. 131 00:09:20.440 --> 00:09:24.720 Sometimes the right people are in the right place for 132 00:09:24.759 --> 00:09:27.279 all the right reasons, and I think that's what happened 133 00:09:28.360 --> 00:09:32.120 on April fifteenth, twenty and thirteen. I don't want to 134 00:09:32.159 --> 00:09:35.519 be somber about this, but I want to be respectful. 135 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:38.200 So we'll open up the phone line six one seven, 136 00:09:38.759 --> 00:09:43.679 four ten thirty, six nine, three, ten thirty. This is 137 00:09:43.720 --> 00:09:47.639 an event, just like nine to eleven, we can never forget. 138 00:09:48.200 --> 00:09:51.559 We can never forget from nine to eleven to twenty thirteen. 139 00:09:51.639 --> 00:09:56.639 That's twelve years now, twelve years later, where we're remembering 140 00:09:57.399 --> 00:09:59.440 as we move into this weekend, not only the two 141 00:09:59.480 --> 00:10:02.840 HU fifty, the anniversary of the start of the Revolutionary War, 142 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:07.960 but we're remembering another attack upon our freedom, our way 143 00:10:08.000 --> 00:10:15.200 of life, our democracy, and we need, we need to 144 00:10:15.399 --> 00:10:18.759 understand how lucky we are to be living here at 145 00:10:18.759 --> 00:10:21.480 this time and to have been born into this country. 146 00:10:21.679 --> 00:10:23.679 I'll be back on nightside and we'll get as many 147 00:10:23.720 --> 00:10:25.279 phone calls if you want to go a couple of 148 00:10:25.279 --> 00:10:28.000 hours we can. Let's get it going right after this. 149 00:10:29.080 --> 00:10:34.000 You're on night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio. 150 00:10:34.840 --> 00:10:37.320 All right, let's grow. Let's go to Mark and Austin. 151 00:10:37.399 --> 00:10:39.240 Mark's going to start us off. Hey Mark, how are 152 00:10:39.279 --> 00:10:39.639 you tonight? 153 00:10:40.159 --> 00:10:43.320 Dan? My friends, thanks for taking my call. I have 154 00:10:43.559 --> 00:10:47.960 very specific memories of what happened that gosh awful day. 155 00:10:48.519 --> 00:10:49.120 Go right ahead. 156 00:10:50.720 --> 00:10:57.639 Yeah, Well, at that time, I was working part time 157 00:10:57.799 --> 00:11:03.080 eight am to one pm shift at the supermarket in Austin, 158 00:11:04.639 --> 00:11:09.519 very good employer, and I rushed home a little bit 159 00:11:10.559 --> 00:11:14.279 to see I guess there were some very high, top 160 00:11:14.399 --> 00:11:19.559 rated American contenders in the marathon. And I turned on 161 00:11:19.600 --> 00:11:23.559 the TV, and my god, it was a horror show. 162 00:11:25.320 --> 00:11:29.159 And the thing about law enforcement is that I remember 163 00:11:29.399 --> 00:11:34.919 that the FBI was pouring in every possible resource into 164 00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:38.279 the city. But I knew the city a lot better, 165 00:11:38.440 --> 00:11:41.679 having lived here most of my life, and I had 166 00:11:41.720 --> 00:11:46.279 a theory as to how the total jerks had escaped. 167 00:11:47.320 --> 00:11:52.840 Like after the bombings, my theory went that they had 168 00:11:53.360 --> 00:11:59.480 well escaped through the MBTA to the bus to New York. 169 00:11:59.600 --> 00:12:03.639 Turned down, Well, the woman has the eye agent thanked me. 170 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:09.919 When they say every possible bit of information that can 171 00:12:09.960 --> 00:12:14.200 be helpful, they mean every possible bit of information. Of course, 172 00:12:15.120 --> 00:12:20.360 my theory turned out to be incorrect. They wandered to Watertown, 173 00:12:20.480 --> 00:12:25.559 and we'll have to agree to disagree about the death penalty. 174 00:12:25.720 --> 00:12:30.200 But suffice it to say that if you've never been 175 00:12:30.720 --> 00:12:35.879 directly involved in the criminal justice system, except I am 176 00:12:35.879 --> 00:12:40.080 a survivor of violent crime, and I've never ever in 177 00:12:40.120 --> 00:12:44.799 my adult life taken a specific criminal justice class, and 178 00:12:44.960 --> 00:12:46.519 just a newspaper. 179 00:12:45.879 --> 00:12:49.080 Man, we're kind of drifting away from the issue at hand, Mark, 180 00:12:49.159 --> 00:12:51.159 so you can bring it back to the marathon. 181 00:12:53.759 --> 00:12:57.200 Inevitably, it's a bit traumatic when all of a sudden 182 00:12:57.919 --> 00:13:05.120 you get suddenly involved in the criminal justice system. 183 00:13:04.039 --> 00:13:09.519 And it's more traumatic for the people who were adversely 184 00:13:09.559 --> 00:13:14.240 impacted by the involvement of these punks and what they did. 185 00:13:14.360 --> 00:13:17.039 So we can agree with you so far on that one. Thanks, Mark, 186 00:13:17.039 --> 00:13:18.480 appreciate it, as always talked to you. 187 00:13:18.519 --> 00:13:18.720 Soon. 188 00:13:19.879 --> 00:13:21.840 Let me go next to Dan and Brookline. Dan, you 189 00:13:21.879 --> 00:13:24.480 were next on Nisager, right, ahead, Hey. 190 00:13:24.399 --> 00:13:29.279 Dan, thanks for taking the call. So I on the 191 00:13:29.759 --> 00:13:32.679 I don't know, must have been whenever they identify the 192 00:13:32.799 --> 00:13:36.360 name of the bombers, something was sort of eating away 193 00:13:36.399 --> 00:13:38.399 at me, Like I recognized the name and I couldn't 194 00:13:38.399 --> 00:13:41.799 figure out why. And so after a few hours of 195 00:13:41.840 --> 00:13:44.840 hearing the name, I searched for it on my computer, 196 00:13:45.279 --> 00:13:48.960 and sure enough, dozens and dozens of documents popped up 197 00:13:49.000 --> 00:13:51.799 with that kid's name in it. And it turns out 198 00:13:51.919 --> 00:13:54.759 I was his soccer coach when he was in eighth grade. 199 00:13:55.360 --> 00:13:59.120 I was an administrator at the school that him and 200 00:13:59.159 --> 00:14:02.399 his sister went to. The sister who became sort of 201 00:14:02.960 --> 00:14:06.000 sort of infamous like he did. If you remember, you 202 00:14:06.039 --> 00:14:07.720 know the details of that she. 203 00:14:10.279 --> 00:14:10.559 I guess. 204 00:14:10.679 --> 00:14:13.200 Ultimately, the thing that strikes me of all of this 205 00:14:13.519 --> 00:14:16.919 is how I knew both of them very well, and 206 00:14:17.200 --> 00:14:19.679 you never would have suspected this, And it shows you 207 00:14:19.720 --> 00:14:22.159 what radicalization can do to you. 208 00:14:22.559 --> 00:14:25.879 You're talking not about the older brother. I assume you're 209 00:14:25.919 --> 00:14:30.720 talking about the younger brother. Younger brother who's a death roger. 210 00:14:30.879 --> 00:14:33.279 I was a soccer coach in eighth grade. 211 00:14:33.039 --> 00:14:35.840 And now they were going to a public school, and 212 00:14:36.080 --> 00:14:37.519 I assume Somerville right. 213 00:14:38.360 --> 00:14:40.200 So it was I don't know if I should say 214 00:14:40.200 --> 00:14:41.399 the name of the school, but it was a charter 215 00:14:41.480 --> 00:14:42.639 school in Cambridge. 216 00:14:43.279 --> 00:14:46.399 Okay, fine, but yeah, came but you don't have to 217 00:14:46.399 --> 00:14:49.159 say that, but it's a charter school. Is still a 218 00:14:49.159 --> 00:14:49.840 public school? 219 00:14:50.159 --> 00:14:52.240 Oh absolutely, charter public school percent. 220 00:14:52.480 --> 00:14:55.279 So they were small enough to come here, take advantage 221 00:14:55.320 --> 00:14:59.240 of free housing, take advantage of all sorts of benefits, 222 00:14:59.480 --> 00:15:02.200 take advanta of the liberty that we have in this country, 223 00:15:02.399 --> 00:15:05.879 and get into a charter school. I mean, there's a 224 00:15:05.919 --> 00:15:09.559 lot of people in this city. Strata schools are all 225 00:15:09.799 --> 00:15:12.799 subscribed and it's tough to get in. So you just wonder. 226 00:15:13.879 --> 00:15:17.039 And the sister was she was a loose cannon too. 227 00:15:17.080 --> 00:15:20.600 I wonder where she ended up, hopefully back in Dagistan. 228 00:15:21.799 --> 00:15:25.919 Yeah, I do remember. The sister wrote a paper about 229 00:15:26.320 --> 00:15:29.759 Kazakhstan actually, like the injustices that were going on there, 230 00:15:29.799 --> 00:15:32.480 and I don't remember too much about it, but that 231 00:15:32.679 --> 00:15:35.440 was sort of the only hint that I ever got 232 00:15:35.440 --> 00:15:39.039 that either of them had any kind of exposure to anything. 233 00:15:39.080 --> 00:15:41.480 But the bottom line is that if you knew them 234 00:15:41.639 --> 00:15:43.919 like I did, which was pretty well, every day I 235 00:15:43.960 --> 00:15:45.639 was in that school, I was an administrator at the 236 00:15:45.679 --> 00:15:49.600 school and the soccer coach, and they were just he 237 00:15:49.759 --> 00:15:53.080 was super quiet and always had a smile on a face, 238 00:15:53.519 --> 00:15:56.000 and she was a little sassy and I kind of 239 00:15:56.080 --> 00:15:59.399 liked her. She had a personality. And in a million years, 240 00:15:59.440 --> 00:16:02.159 I never would have thought this would have been they 241 00:16:02.159 --> 00:16:03.840 would have gone down this road. But again, what it 242 00:16:03.919 --> 00:16:07.840 shows you is the strength of this radicalization that can 243 00:16:07.879 --> 00:16:10.559 happen and does happen, you know, and it's frightening. 244 00:16:11.159 --> 00:16:15.480 Well, I got to tell you, I was reading some 245 00:16:16.080 --> 00:16:20.639 materials tonight in preparation for the show, and it's it's 246 00:16:20.679 --> 00:16:24.679 pretty clear that the brother was a big influence in 247 00:16:24.720 --> 00:16:30.159 this kid's life. Yeah, but the kid, you know. 248 00:16:30.279 --> 00:16:30.440 He. 249 00:16:31.919 --> 00:16:35.679 You know, I just it's frustrating to me that he 250 00:16:35.840 --> 00:16:39.240 still is amongst the living and that that I don't 251 00:16:39.240 --> 00:16:41.960 want it to be made a martyr of But it's 252 00:16:42.039 --> 00:16:44.799 twelve years on. I mean, how how much longer is 253 00:16:44.840 --> 00:16:46.799 he going to have to be in the criminal justice system? 254 00:16:47.159 --> 00:16:53.039 And yeah, and basically, yeah. 255 00:16:52.720 --> 00:16:56.399 He's been convicted and and there's this beyond any shadow 256 00:16:56.440 --> 00:16:57.440 of a doubt that he did it. 257 00:16:57.960 --> 00:17:00.360 I have a different I have a difference for it. Yeah. 258 00:17:00.440 --> 00:17:05.319 I have a very simple standard, and we discussed this 259 00:17:05.359 --> 00:17:08.400 the other night, and I came to uh, you know 260 00:17:08.519 --> 00:17:10.759 point where we can do we can agree to disagree. 261 00:17:11.480 --> 00:17:15.200 Their guilt inness is beyond a scintilla of doubt. Right, 262 00:17:15.319 --> 00:17:19.880 that's the legal standard. There's no question, there's no possible question, 263 00:17:20.359 --> 00:17:26.200 and there are horrifically aggravating circumstances, right, and that for me, 264 00:17:27.519 --> 00:17:31.480 basically clinches the case. I would be very limited in 265 00:17:31.519 --> 00:17:33.240 the use of the death penalty. I know that there 266 00:17:33.240 --> 00:17:35.519 were those like Mark from Alston who were opposed to it, 267 00:17:36.079 --> 00:17:40.519 you know, for whatever reason, philosophically, religiously, morally, spiritually, whatever. 268 00:17:40.680 --> 00:17:43.759 I can't disagree with those folks. They have a higher standard, 269 00:17:43.799 --> 00:17:46.279 I guess than I do. But I would make an 270 00:17:46.279 --> 00:17:48.960 exception for this guy. There's a few others out there 271 00:17:49.039 --> 00:17:51.880 who are who who I just want to see gone. 272 00:17:52.920 --> 00:17:56.160 And I mean again, ultimately, if the law provides for 273 00:17:56.319 --> 00:17:58.519 which it does, and they were convicted, which they were, 274 00:17:58.559 --> 00:18:01.640 which she was, and then again what you're saying, you know, 275 00:18:02.160 --> 00:18:04.480 there's simply no question that he did it. And so 276 00:18:04.920 --> 00:18:07.960 how do you defend not carrying out the sentence? I'm 277 00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:08.279 not sure. 278 00:18:08.880 --> 00:18:11.359 Well, there can be no question, you know, beyond a 279 00:18:11.440 --> 00:18:14.119 since hill or a doubt. Okay, there's no there's no 280 00:18:14.440 --> 00:18:16.799 real question about it. But when you add in the 281 00:18:16.880 --> 00:18:20.839 aggravating circumstances, you know, this is not a guy who 282 00:18:21.680 --> 00:18:25.279 robs a bank and panics and shoots a police officer. 283 00:18:25.359 --> 00:18:28.279 You know, maybe he get he qualifies too, but because 284 00:18:28.319 --> 00:18:31.920 it's a police officer, but this is aggriva. He Basically, 285 00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:36.920 they bombed innocent civilians, maimed people, killed people. That's the point. 286 00:18:37.079 --> 00:18:41.839 Intentionally, right, yeah, intentionally, and the bomb was designed to 287 00:18:41.880 --> 00:18:43.519 cause horrific outcomes. 288 00:18:43.599 --> 00:18:47.039 Right, exactly, exactly exactly, Dan, I love your calls. I 289 00:18:47.079 --> 00:18:49.599 wish you call more often. Okay, you are, you're also 290 00:18:49.640 --> 00:18:51.519 a voice of reason to thank him a friend. 291 00:18:52.119 --> 00:18:53.240 Thanks Dan, appreciate it. 292 00:18:53.440 --> 00:18:56.039 Good night. Okay, here comes the news. I'll be back 293 00:18:56.079 --> 00:18:57.960 on the other side. The only line right now is 294 00:18:58.000 --> 00:19:01.359 six one, seven, two, five, four tenth. It's the twelfth 295 00:19:01.400 --> 00:19:04.279 anniversary of the Boston Marathon bombing. Look. I know you'll 296 00:19:04.279 --> 00:19:06.119 be at the beach this summer. I know you'll be 297 00:19:06.480 --> 00:19:09.559 football games this fall and you won't even think about 298 00:19:09.599 --> 00:19:12.559 this day. But I think tonight we need to give 299 00:19:12.559 --> 00:19:14.680 it a little thought. And I'd love to hear your 300 00:19:14.680 --> 00:19:17.920 thoughts and your recollection of that day back on night Side. 301 00:19:17.960 --> 00:19:21.039 Right after this, It's Night Side with. 302 00:19:23.400 --> 00:19:25.880 Boston's News Radio. 303 00:19:26.119 --> 00:19:28.319 All right, let's keep rolling here. We're going to go 304 00:19:28.400 --> 00:19:32.039 next to Hopefully we won't keep people too long, Keith 305 00:19:32.079 --> 00:19:34.119 and Kate down to the Cape. Keith on Cape Card. 306 00:19:34.359 --> 00:19:36.559 But it was a nice day down in the Cape today, Keith, 307 00:19:36.599 --> 00:19:38.079 I hope. How are you? 308 00:19:38.160 --> 00:19:41.279 Yeah, not bad. I'm just down here on business. I'm 309 00:19:41.279 --> 00:19:43.039 from the North Shore originally. But hey, I've got a 310 00:19:43.079 --> 00:19:43.680 quick question. 311 00:19:44.400 --> 00:19:44.599 Roy. 312 00:19:44.720 --> 00:19:51.359 You mentioned that you mentioned that President Biden took the 313 00:19:51.400 --> 00:19:54.480 death penalty away from this guy, and Trump is going 314 00:19:54.519 --> 00:19:56.960 to give a death penalty back to this guy. I 315 00:19:57.000 --> 00:19:59.200 was just wondering what the legal mechanism is for the 316 00:19:59.240 --> 00:20:01.359 president to have that kind of power. I didn't realize. 317 00:20:02.720 --> 00:20:07.559 It is my understanding that President Biden signed an executive 318 00:20:07.720 --> 00:20:12.160 order which removed the death penalty for anyone who was 319 00:20:13.119 --> 00:20:18.160 on death row. My view is that if one president 320 00:20:18.240 --> 00:20:22.039 can remove it with an executive order, another president can 321 00:20:22.119 --> 00:20:23.720 restore it with an executive order. 322 00:20:24.440 --> 00:20:27.480 I never knew that. So all federal death penalty cases 323 00:20:27.519 --> 00:20:28.240 are off the table. 324 00:20:29.559 --> 00:20:35.359 Well, death penalty cases were placed off the table for 325 00:20:35.440 --> 00:20:39.599 the last few weeks of the Biden administration. I don't know, 326 00:20:39.839 --> 00:20:42.880 you know, I don't know if Joe Biden understood what 327 00:20:42.960 --> 00:20:45.640 he was doing or you know, there's now all sorts 328 00:20:45.680 --> 00:20:49.599 of questions being raised about his competency, his metal competency, 329 00:20:49.640 --> 00:20:53.359 particularly in the last couple of years of his term. 330 00:20:54.480 --> 00:20:58.599 But if he indeed did sign, and there's some question 331 00:20:58.680 --> 00:21:01.119 about whether or not he signed, they were signed by 332 00:21:01.160 --> 00:21:05.799 auto penn irrespective of that, what one president can impose 333 00:21:05.920 --> 00:21:11.200 by executive order, another president can reimpose it by say, I. 334 00:21:11.160 --> 00:21:13.960 Just I didn't realize. I didn't realize that he had 335 00:21:14.319 --> 00:21:18.160 rolled back federal death penalty cases. Whether he was competent 336 00:21:18.240 --> 00:21:19.519 or not, it wasn't really my question. 337 00:21:19.640 --> 00:21:23.359 My question was right right right now. Well, he basically said, 338 00:21:23.880 --> 00:21:28.440 as the President of the United States, I am taking 339 00:21:28.480 --> 00:21:35.240 away death penalty sentences. I believe that Donald Trump has 340 00:21:35.279 --> 00:21:38.000 the authority, and I suspect he will use it. It may 341 00:21:38.119 --> 00:21:40.319 end up going up to the courts that he can 342 00:21:40.400 --> 00:21:45.279 reimpose those those sentences, or he basically can in effect 343 00:21:46.279 --> 00:21:49.319 negate the executive order. It wasn't an act of Congress. 344 00:21:49.359 --> 00:21:54.200 When when the Supreme Court ruled the death penalty unconstitutional 345 00:21:54.720 --> 00:21:57.640 in the Furman versus Georgia case in nineteen seventy two 346 00:21:58.519 --> 00:22:02.240 men and if there were any women on death row nationwide, 347 00:22:04.000 --> 00:22:09.720 those that single decision erased the boat, erased, it cleaned 348 00:22:09.720 --> 00:22:13.079 because it was a US Supreme Court decision. And then 349 00:22:13.440 --> 00:22:17.920 eventually death penalty cases came back and they were fed. 350 00:22:17.960 --> 00:22:22.200 I mean Timothy McVeigh was executed, Gary Gilmour was executed. 351 00:22:22.279 --> 00:22:25.200 You remember all of those cases. But again that's when 352 00:22:25.319 --> 00:22:28.240 Congress reinstored the death. 353 00:22:28.039 --> 00:22:31.000 Penalty and the history of it for sure. 354 00:22:31.079 --> 00:22:34.200 Y yeah, yeah. So I mean, if one president says 355 00:22:34.279 --> 00:22:38.720 I'm doing the executive order, I believe that the subsequent 356 00:22:38.759 --> 00:22:42.680 president can if they want, recind the executive order, override. 357 00:22:42.480 --> 00:22:44.799 E get that up, all right, Dan, thanks very much, 358 00:22:44.799 --> 00:22:45.480 appreciate it. 359 00:22:45.880 --> 00:22:48.279 Thank you, Keith, appreciate your call. Let's go next to 360 00:22:48.400 --> 00:22:50.680 Eileen in Cambridge. 361 00:22:50.680 --> 00:22:50.839 II. 362 00:22:50.920 --> 00:22:54.440 Leen, where were you the day of the marathon bombing. 363 00:22:55.720 --> 00:23:01.400 Well, I was at the airport and I had gotten 364 00:23:01.400 --> 00:23:02.720 to the airport. 365 00:23:02.359 --> 00:23:04.319 Early at Logan Airport. 366 00:23:05.079 --> 00:23:09.119 At Logan Airport. It was at Logan Airport I was, 367 00:23:10.359 --> 00:23:15.119 I had I was about to take off on a 368 00:23:15.160 --> 00:23:21.160 plane to London, England. I was headed to a conference 369 00:23:21.359 --> 00:23:24.319 there that I had signed up for many weeks earlier, 370 00:23:25.319 --> 00:23:30.519 and I was at the airport and I got a 371 00:23:30.519 --> 00:23:33.680 phone call from my son, who was at that time 372 00:23:33.759 --> 00:23:37.119 in New York City, and he told me what happened, 373 00:23:37.960 --> 00:23:42.319 and I mean, you know, that's how I heard about it. 374 00:23:42.359 --> 00:23:48.079 I didn't hear it over the news or anything. But then, 375 00:23:48.599 --> 00:23:55.039 of course I tried to call his brother, who had 376 00:23:55.160 --> 00:23:58.839 planned to go to the finish line to watch the 377 00:23:59.680 --> 00:24:04.119 You know, I was very very upset you were. I 378 00:24:04.640 --> 00:24:08.599 couldn't reach him. I I the phone went dead, and 379 00:24:08.640 --> 00:24:12.440 I thought, oh, oh, you know, I was really scared. 380 00:24:12.640 --> 00:24:14.960 How long did it take you to realize that he 381 00:24:15.079 --> 00:24:17.319 was okay? Because I know he was okay because we've 382 00:24:17.359 --> 00:24:20.799 had prior conversation. How long How long were you in 383 00:24:20.799 --> 00:24:22.359 that state of apprehension? 384 00:24:23.279 --> 00:24:27.400 I it must have been at least an hour. And 385 00:24:27.440 --> 00:24:30.680 then he called me and he said, I didn't want 386 00:24:30.720 --> 00:24:33.799 you to worry, Mom, But I was on I was 387 00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:38.799 on a on a Red Line train that that just 388 00:24:40.200 --> 00:24:43.160 he was in Cambridge or something, and they went from 389 00:24:43.279 --> 00:24:48.680 Cambridge all the way to Quincy Adams, the last stop 390 00:24:48.799 --> 00:24:53.599 because they wouldn't they weren't going to stop in the 391 00:24:53.640 --> 00:24:56.319 tunnel in Boston because they didn't know what was going on. 392 00:24:56.519 --> 00:25:00.799 Absolutely, you got that situation, take all precaution. Did you 393 00:25:00.839 --> 00:25:03.359 get it? Did you? Actually? Then I assume got on 394 00:25:03.480 --> 00:25:06.960 your flight and continue on to London. It wasn't like 395 00:25:07.079 --> 00:25:09.000 nine to eleven where they shut the airport down. 396 00:25:10.359 --> 00:25:12.839 Well they did shut the airport down, but I was 397 00:25:13.640 --> 00:25:17.799 on the very last plane that took off. And then 398 00:25:18.759 --> 00:25:24.720 the thing is people say, well, his disguise execution was 399 00:25:25.200 --> 00:25:32.400 postponed because the people who on the jury apparently were 400 00:25:32.799 --> 00:25:37.480 too close to you know, well, there. 401 00:25:37.359 --> 00:25:39.880