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bad news out there in Cougar Country, especially during the

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off season. I've said it many times. Look, these are

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there's a great young man down at b YU there

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really is. It's a unique and singular environment full of

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good fruits. Uh and uh and and we we herald that,

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the hardwood. But they do fall short, and sometimes they

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in Parker Kingston. So stay tuned, don't go anywhere. Lots

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without further ado. Why don't we fire up to the

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ESPN the Fans starting lineup and I can introduce you

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to my co host and the rest of the star

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start of cast. Joining is for this beautiful Thursday, February

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twelveth edition of Cougar Sports. For and foremost the architect

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behind the glass, the puppeteer, if you will, we got

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Ronald the three man weaver stepping up to the mic.

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Was up, Ronnie, what's up? Ben?

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Speaker 2: You said it?

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Speaker 4: I just want people to know we we didn't avoid

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the Parker news. I know I got pinged. We found

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I'm the architect of the show. I waited till today

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press bind to talk about something that's not gonna give

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us more time because we had literally five minutes of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, sorry, you know, like it broke right at

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the end of the interview and we're like, okay, like

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all and we got more information now too. When something

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bit more information now we'll delve into it here on

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your Utah ESPN Radio Network. We got also Brett always

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bring the Hammer Hammertime show. What's up Hammertime? Oh? Here

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we go? There, there we go, and I ast you

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we got you all right here. So this has happened.

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Speaker 5: I think this is the third time now in the

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last year of this show where we've had an unfortunate

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allegation pop up. And you know me, the reason I

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love sports because I love the positivity, I love the

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fun I love getting to be away from the serious.

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Speaker 3: If that's okay with them. Of course, we had a

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little positivity. Give me that Oreo Oreo sandwich. I had

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saw something in the Olympics this week that I've never

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Speaker 5: This has come from Norway's Storla Holme Lagrit. He won

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the bronze medal in the twenty kilometer by athlone, and

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in his post race interview from the Podum podium, he said,

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and I quote, six months ago I met the love

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of my life person and three months ago I made

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the biggest mistake of my life and cheated on her.

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everybody that I cheated on my girlfriend. First of all,

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with him. We don't need to know this. We don't care.

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on and the individual went and then just announced it

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from the podium, I don't know that that makes me go, oh, you.

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Speaker 5: It's a good thing we're not together, because you would

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Speaker 3: So pretty incredible.

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Speaker 5: Did this man use the podium at the twenty twenty

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six Winter Olympics to tell everyone that he cheated on

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his girlfriend? Also, you met the love of your life

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and you cheated three months in that. I have a

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Speaker 3: But you know, honestly, like when you go into like

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what we're gonna talk about. I honestly did not plan that. Yeah. Well,

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what I'm saying is like that you can ruin your

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mentor like and they didn't instill fear into your heart

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in some way, or you didn't learn through the scriptures,

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or you didn't lose or didn't you didn't learn from

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like other people making mistakes about sexual transgressions, you may

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get yourself into a situation where you ruin your life,

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repeat it exactly. It's like man, like I can't tell you,

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like you know, young adulthood reading like the story of

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he was hungry, he was he was out there you know,

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slay and beasts protecting the sheep. And then with his

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faith he slayed the the goliath and then became king.

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can stop having these conversations. But it is the it

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man is an enemy to God. And my heart goes

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out to everybody that is impacted by this news.

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Speaker 3: But let justice be served and grace be given by

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the Almighty on the back end. But justice be served

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in the temporal state. In my opinion, if Porker Kingston

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is found guilty of this but innocent until proven guilty

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as well, Let's welcome in AP Andrew Peterson to the show. AP.

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I count so many blessings.

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life recently so so I got married like three months ago,

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all right, so you get like newlywed.

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Speaker 3: There's a new aur about. Wait, well, you get like.

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then I go on a cruise and I gain like

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Speaker 3: And so I realized one.

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Speaker 6: Monday, I am about to get bigger than I ever

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have in my life, and I go for a run

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Speaker 3: That time, I'm going to make you feel better going.

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Speaker 6: Well, it's the first time I've moved with any purpose

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Speaker 6: Going from five to forty five to like eight forty

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Speaker 3: And then I woke up, so I never had so fail.

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Speaker 6: Well, okay, So so you feel a little bit down

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about that and you're like, wow, we really got to

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get back into shape. And then you wake up the

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next morning and you feel way worse because you destroyed.

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Speaker 3: Your back on the run. Brethren.

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Speaker 6: If my advice to any listening that are currently still

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in shape is to stay in shape and don't get

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Speaker 3: Don't try if you've been out of shape, just go walk, hey,

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Kyle Collins would tell you, Hey, just go for a walk.

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interval sprints. Don't go for a mile run. Just the

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easier at least at least into it. Man, it's some

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Speaker 6: I stretched for like forty five seconds, and that that

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Speaker 3: Power walk is underrated. Like we get after it like

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a good power walk. You'll get some high cardiovascular output

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with a nice power walk. Da. I'm telling you, I'll

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teach you the ways. I am not an aggressive worker

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out anymore. I just don't do not do it. I

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keep it keep it easy, keep it easy, taking it easy. Well,

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ap appreciate you being here. Glad you're getting back into

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shape as well. It's always difficult. It's always a difficult

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thing to do. Shout up to Vic Craham on the

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or five at the Daily Hill for a little cougar

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about Parker Kingston yesterday, I penned a little piece on Twitter.

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I'm going to read that to you right now. There

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is some updates here, but I'm just going to kind

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of give you my initial thoughts as I was perusing

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through all of the info in conversing with individuals that

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I trust regarding the occurrences leading up to Parker Kingston's arrest,

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So I said this BAU wide receiver. Park Parker Kingston

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was arrested in Washington County, Utah. He was charged with

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first degree founding rape in connection with an alleged incident

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that occurred on February twenty third, twenty twenty five, in

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Saint George, just over just under a year ago. The

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charge follows a year long investigation by the Saint George

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Police Department, which included the collection and review of forensic evidence,

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digital evidence, and witness interviews before the case was presented

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to the Washington County Attorney's Office for charging review. The

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length of the investigation, in my personal opinion, reflects the

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reality that cases of this nature often take time to develop.

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Investigators typically wait for lab results, analyze digital communications and

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location data, and conduct multiple interviews before prosecutors determined whether

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there is sufficient evidence to establish probable cause and s

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and arrest warrant. We now know that those interviews, even

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with Parker Kingston, did occur, and Parker Kingston claimed that

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all sexual relations were consensual. So in this case, authorities

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ultimately move forward with an arrest warrant, signaling that the

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prosecutors okay, believe the evidentiary threshold has been met to

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file charges and to arrest him. Kingston's currently being held

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without bail. He will have an arraignment on Friday. At

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that time, bail may be set and he may be

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released at that time. I believe the reason why he

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is held without bail is the prosecutors believe that he

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is a flight risk. Now I don't know if that's justified,

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but that's the reasoning behind it. But per some I've

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spoken with, this fact does underscore how serious the court

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is treating the charge at this early stage. And as

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I mentioned, there's some bail determinations still to be sequenced out.

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Pre Trialed attention without bail is generally reserved for serious

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falony cases and could reflect the confidence some of these prosecutors.

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The prosecutor has in the initial court proceedings. He's scheduled

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to appear and we'll see how it plays out on Friday,

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just a day away now from that. Brigham Young University

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did acknowledge the arrest and issued the following statement. The

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way you became aware today of the arrest, this was

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yesterday of Parker Kingston. The university takes any allegation very

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seriously and will cooperate with law enforcement. And then, due

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to federal and university privacy laws and practices for students,

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the university will not be able to provide additional comment

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there is I'm trying to think of what other additional

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news has dropped since then, but essentially what we know.

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There was a few documents that were apparently distributed recently.

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Police say Kingston went to the twenty year old woman's

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residence Okay at this back in February twenty twenty five,

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during the early morning hours of February twenty third, twenty

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twenty five. Charging documents do not say how Kingston and

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the woman knew each other, or if they were previously acquainted.

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The woman told police that prior to his arrival and

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during their online communication, she told Kingston multiple times that

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she did not want to have sex with him, and

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if that was the reason he wanted to meet up,

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he should not come. She disclosed that she set clear

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boundaries with Kingston prior to their meetup. The charges state

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after arriving at the woman's residence, the two watch the movie.

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While watching the movie, they began to engage in some

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so you know, i'd say, you know, question mark sexual activity.

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We do not know what that means. Okay, it says

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some sexual activity. What does that mean? Is that kissing?

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Is that necking? Is that heavy petting? Is that, you know,

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some other sexual activity? You know, it's it's subjective there.

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Kingston then started to fall asleep for the report, and

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the women left the room to get ready for bed.

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When she returned approximately fifteen minutes later, Kingston initiated sexual

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activity again. She stated that she told Kingston to stop

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several times and tried to push him off of her,

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but he continued, the charges alleged. The woman reported the

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alleged assault four days later to police after going to

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Saint George Regional Hospital. Now we don't know the sequencing

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of that. Either we don't know the dates, like how

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soon after the alleged rape, how quickly she went to

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Saint George Regional Hospital, but four days later she contacted

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the police. Detectives with the Saint George Police Department then

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got her digital and forensic evidence. They also conducted interviews

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with the parties involved and other witnesses. The information was

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then turned over to the Washington County Attorney's Office for review.

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According to the County Attorney's Office, she met with the

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Washington County Attorney's Office in June for another interview. When

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Kingston was questioned about by investigators, he said all activity

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with the woman was consensual. Based on communications obtained from

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Kingston's cell phone after the incident, it can be inferred

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that he went to her apartment with the intention of

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having sexual intercourse. So there was obviously conversations had between

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the two and his intent was to have sexual intercourse

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with her. And I already mentioned the Brigham Young University comments,

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But that's the I mean. Is there any other data

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points that you're aware of? Ronald Brett always bring the

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hammer ap any other notes.

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Speaker 5: The one thing I do want to add is that

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these so it says in its artically a reading from

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the core documents were unsealed. So there's been a lot

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of people saying, well, if b Yu knew about this,

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why did they let it go on?

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Speaker 3: YadA, YadA, YadA. It's very difficult to know who was

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aware of what.

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Speaker 5: The only contact we know about is that investigators interviewed

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parties involved.

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Speaker 3: We don't necessarily know who that was. But typically in

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investigations like this, they're confidential, meaning that the only people

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who have access to these documents and truly know about

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the investigation are the investigators and the government parties involved.

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So I've seen a lot of discourse on Twitter saying, people, Uh, well,

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if b YU knew, why did they do something about this?

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Speaker 5: Typically, investigators don't notify your employer or the university of

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an impending investigation until that arrest has been made, So

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we don't definitively know who, if anyone knew about this

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investigation outside of law enforcement and those interviewed.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and and to that point, let's say there was

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a report that was given to the school saying, hey,

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you know, there's an investigation going on, and he could

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you know, he's he's being investigative for rape, and at

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that time does does school step in. I don't know

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what the the processes are in place when there's a

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report and there isn't necessarily evidence that is brought for

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I mean, this is stealed documents that no charges are brought.

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As the school say well you're being accused, you can

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no longer attend school, then you're going off of accusations

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and guilty at a lawsuit if it turns out he was,

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well guilty guilty until proven innocent, you're guilty to prevent

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because there's been someone that said that has accused you

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of this, and even if it was if it was

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a legal issue, it's like, hey, well he's under investigation,

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but you know he hasn't been He has not been

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you know, necessarily arrested for anything. Yet it's an investigation.

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I don't know what the proper procedure is there is.

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It pertains to b Yu, But b Yu, I think

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through experience over the last thirty years, has taken more

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of an approach of okay, just because someone is accused

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of an honor code violation doesn't mean they are guilty.

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They have in the past operated and I've seen it

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many times in the post, Ernest L. Wilkinson era that

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you are guilty until proven Edison right, that they you know,

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the like I saw time and time again. I've had

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people reach out to me about their anecdotal stories and

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and I think they've realized that there wasn't really positive

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fruits in that regard. It wasn't a good way to

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approach honor code issues specifically, not legal issues necessarily, but

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honor code issues. So any other other, any other notes

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that we need to address, as far as the unsealed

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documents or the the the data points that we are

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aware of, guys.

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Speaker 6: Any I think the other thing is b WA statements

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said they became aware today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, and so well, I think that the haters,

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that the people that don't like the church and don't

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like BAU and they they're not going to believe anything

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that but that is it's a cover.

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Speaker 6: I don't know if that's been corroborated or or what

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by law enforcement, but that is the statement that they

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were made aware yesterday.

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Speaker 5: Well, and had law enforcement come to the school officially

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in an official capacity, why you would not be saying

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we just found out about this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So I don't I don't think that's the case, because, honestly,

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if if this was that big over the last year,

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because again we hear rumors all the time, things we

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don't know to be substantiated. I think somebody would have

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heard about this even if it wasn't reported, and I

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didn't hear anything rumors of any kind of So that's

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what kind of makes me think that I don't know

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how many people were involved here. But again we we

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truly do not know outside of what is in these

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documents that were unsealed yesterday when Parker was arrested.

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Speaker 3: This as we I'll say about the entire incident. If

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Parker Kingston raped this young lady, justice be served immediately,

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maybe castigated, May he be receive his his uh, his

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punishment immediately, and and it's going to be I mean,

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this is serious. This is you know, five to fifteen

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I mean years in prison or more. You're a registered

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sex offender, and this in many ways can ruin you know,

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he's he if he has found guilty, it's kind of

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ruined some of his his temporal life. Now there's grace,

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there is there's a path forward, there is there is

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a redemption, and you can still live a long and

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healthy and productive life. And I don't believe in ruining

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people for their entire life. You know, there has to

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be new, There's got to be more details. Given you

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have to go through the judicial process, you need to

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be judged before a jury of your peers, et cetera.

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Like all of those things that need to happen, we

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need more details. We need to know what happened, why

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it happened, as many details as possible. Rape cases are very,

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very difficult, Okay. There's a reason why high level rape cases.

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Over the last twenty five years, there's been plenty of

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rape allegations okay, and men exonerated okay, And there was

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falsified claims and things that nature. That ary what could

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be the issue. But if he has found guilty and

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there is a burden of proof that shows that he

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raped her, he needs to be dealt with. I am

474
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a father of a young daughter two years. I can't

475
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:31,039
even imagine the grief that I'd be going through and

476
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,640
what type of justice I would want to in a

477
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:42,319
vigilante way try to wield. So my heart breaks for

478
00:25:42,519 --> 00:25:46,960
everyone involved. You know, if I was a father of

479
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:54,960
a son who was arrested for felony rape. As a father,

480
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,400
I'd be where did I go wrong? How did I

481
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,799
not teach him? How how did I how did I

482
00:26:01,839 --> 00:26:05,640
not you know, communicate to stay out of these situations? Right,

483
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:11,359
So I'm trying to put myself in an empathetic, sympathetic way,

484
00:26:11,599 --> 00:26:16,200
into the shoes of everyone involved and trying to understand, Hey,

485
00:26:16,279 --> 00:26:20,480
what happened, Why did it happen? But ultimately, I'm an

486
00:26:20,519 --> 00:26:25,920
accountability guy, and there must be if he's if he

487
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:32,839
is held or if he is found guilty. Man justice,

488
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,440
I want it wielded, and I want to wield it swiftly,

489
00:26:37,039 --> 00:26:41,839
and that accountability needs to be brought down in a

490
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,599
fierce and judicious manner in my opinion.

491
00:26:44,799 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 4: So to give a little bit of more of the updates,

492
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,599
and again you have to make sure you got credible

493
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,359
time LISSNS source and this is Olivia keller Hert, who

494
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,119
is a reporter for KUTV News.

495
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 2: She just lists outs to date.

496
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 4: If you go to our Twitter page, I'm not gonna

497
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list all the date she does say this Ben. She said,

498
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,440
it's some point in the time from Saint George p

499
00:27:01,559 --> 00:27:04,799
D contact the b au Campus Police and they executed

500
00:27:04,839 --> 00:27:07,319
search warrants. She's like, I've reached out to multiple people

501
00:27:07,319 --> 00:27:09,839
at the university, including the chief of police, to ask

502
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,559
when was that no response yet, So at some point,

503
00:27:13,079 --> 00:27:14,920
you know, because she put out that the Washington County

504
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,440
Police and the BYU she confirmed that with them, that

505
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,440
the BOU Campus police were aware of the allegations and

506
00:27:20,519 --> 00:27:23,759
assisted the police Department of Saint George and gather information

507
00:27:23,799 --> 00:27:26,079
and getting search warrants. I just didn't want that information

508
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,640
to be missed and that we don't know what those

509
00:27:28,759 --> 00:27:30,960
dates are yet, but there are people who are asking

510
00:27:31,039 --> 00:27:32,920
for that information about that.

511
00:27:33,079 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 3: They they're they're they're trying to figure out the the

512
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:40,319
timeline of events when b YU or BYU police were made.

513
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 5: No, right, we don't know what the law enforcement informs

514
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,920
the university because again it's it's very common practice for

515
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,440
law enforcement to be aware of this, but they don't

516
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,720
typically contact the university. Now they are BOU campus police,

517
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,160
so again we don't that's that's pretty close, but it

518
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,440
is normal for law enforcement.

519
00:27:59,599 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 3: That point.

520
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,559
Speaker 4: There is one piece of information, you know, being that

521
00:28:02,599 --> 00:28:04,519
she had said and that you know, we are looking

522
00:28:04,559 --> 00:28:06,599
forward to for the future. She says, there are messages

523
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,200
previously of and again this was a sealed document of

524
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,880
her stating that she did not want to participate in

525
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,559
having sex. It sounds like they have information of Parker

526
00:28:15,599 --> 00:28:17,160
afterwards and it can be inferred as it said in

527
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,839
the article. I'm interested to know when that information of

528
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,440
those messages and timelines will come out, because if she

529
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,000
has that evidence of stating I did not want to participate,

530
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,400
that is going to add another layer to.

531
00:28:28,559 --> 00:28:30,559
Speaker 2: This this case if that were to be proven.

532
00:28:30,599 --> 00:28:33,839
Speaker 4: Because they said that they have timeline messages of Parker's messages,

533
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,960
I'm waiting to see when those messages of her being

534
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,720
released with Parker from before of this meet up. Again,

535
00:28:39,759 --> 00:28:41,400
and the point I want to make with this is

536
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,599
this sucks for everybody involved. My prayers to the woman,

537
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:50,000
the alleged victim, to Parker, to his family. I mean, look,

538
00:28:50,079 --> 00:28:53,359
right like it sucks to hiss a parent to probably

539
00:28:53,359 --> 00:28:55,319
have your you know, kid arrested and then you can't

540
00:28:55,319 --> 00:28:56,880
see like, that's a tough thing, right, And I'm not

541
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,759
trying to minimize anything that happen, but for parents in

542
00:28:59,799 --> 00:29:02,960
this situation, that's tough, right, Your son, your daughter, You

543
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:04,720
never want to see them go through anything hard. No

544
00:29:04,759 --> 00:29:06,839
one wants to see that. But I do have to

545
00:29:06,839 --> 00:29:07,920
say this been and this is going to be. I

546
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,799
hope this doesn't come off too harsh. The honor code

547
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,079
was broken, you know. And and I go back to

548
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,039
that again, you know last year with the Jake thing. Again,

549
00:29:16,079 --> 00:29:19,079
I reemphasize if like that would that that's that That's

550
00:29:19,079 --> 00:29:19,960
the biggest.

551
00:29:19,559 --> 00:29:20,519
Speaker 2: Thing I notice here.

552
00:29:20,559 --> 00:29:23,119
Speaker 4: If whatever this comes out, if you know, justin if

553
00:29:23,119 --> 00:29:25,559
he did it, obviously the justice system and do process

554
00:29:25,559 --> 00:29:27,079
will play it stuff out, which we have to let

555
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,400
But whatever it comes out to be.

556
00:29:29,519 --> 00:29:31,559
Speaker 2: And Jake's was civil, this is criminal. You know from

557
00:29:31,599 --> 00:29:32,000
what we're.

558
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,559
Speaker 4: Reading, there's gonna be some form of punishment because the

559
00:29:35,599 --> 00:29:36,599
honor coat was broken.

560
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 3: You know.

561
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 4: So you're looking from a bus to point that standpoint.

562
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:45,319
Speaker 3: Understand that Parker Kingston is not going to be playing

563
00:29:45,799 --> 00:29:48,079
football for b YU not Do I think he's going

564
00:29:48,119 --> 00:29:49,480
to be playing college football this season.

565
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,119
Speaker 2: I would have to agree with that.

566
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 3: Like I I don't. I don't think that that's that's

567
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,839
going to happen, and nor should it set your house

568
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,319
in order. And uh, but at the same time, like look,

569
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,839
you know, let let a juror peers and let the

570
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:07,000
judicial process play itself out and let's see what evidence

571
00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:10,079
will be brought forth. And uh and I'm sure that

572
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,839
the media. This is a high profilecation, especially in the

573
00:30:12,839 --> 00:30:15,799
state of Utah, and national media has taken it as well.

574
00:30:15,839 --> 00:30:18,759
We've seen it on ESPN, We've seen it across to

575
00:30:18,759 --> 00:30:21,400
even maybe NFL reporters, et cetera. Why because Parker Kingston

576
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,359
was an NFL prospect. Okay, he's a really good college

577
00:30:24,359 --> 00:30:27,759
football player. He was the leading wide receiver coming back

578
00:30:27,759 --> 00:30:30,119
for BYU. He was likely going to have a thousand

579
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,720
yard season next year. He was just shy this year. Yeah,

580
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,839
it's the potential was great. He was going to be

581
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,359
that guy, that dude for the b AU offense to

582
00:30:37,359 --> 00:30:40,039
to to legion and be your punt return specialists as well.

583
00:30:40,079 --> 00:30:43,559
Like he's dynamic, he's a great football player. And uh

584
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:49,000
and and and it's unfortunate, uh that poor decision making

585
00:30:49,519 --> 00:30:54,960
has led to uh, you know, possibly possibly ruining his

586
00:30:55,240 --> 00:31:00,599
not only his his his football career, but his temporal

587
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,400
life as he knows it now. Like I said, like,

588
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,720
there's always a path forward. And I think the world,

589
00:31:07,759 --> 00:31:12,559
I think humans in general, I think we're forgiving when

590
00:31:12,599 --> 00:31:18,599
there is contriteness and humbleness and learning through your failures. Right.

591
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,359
I think there's a there's a lot of grace there

592
00:31:21,039 --> 00:31:26,759
amongst the human population for that, for that forgiveness. But yeah,

593
00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:29,200
he's he's not he's not playing for b y U

594
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,599
and he's probably he's not playing college football. Uh. And

595
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:37,920
I don't know how how expeditiously a a trial can

596
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,839
be set for this, and when when a judge and

597
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:45,079
jury would would come to a conclusion on this. I

598
00:31:45,119 --> 00:31:47,039
don't know how quickly this can be done or when

599
00:31:47,079 --> 00:31:49,960
will it be done, But it needs to be done right.

600
00:31:50,359 --> 00:31:54,039
It needs to be done in in the the proper

601
00:31:54,079 --> 00:31:58,920
procedural manner, under the laws of the land. And I

602
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,400
think we we we all kind of uh you know,

603
00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:04,119
in unison and say, hey, we're praying for all everyone involved,

604
00:32:04,119 --> 00:32:07,440
and we want the right thing to happen going forward.

605
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,480
We want the right thing to happen for the victim,

606
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,240
the alleged victim, to her family, uh, for for Parker

607
00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:14,920
and his family. We just want justice to be served.

608
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,920
We want truth to be brought forth. The truth shall

609
00:32:17,119 --> 00:32:20,400
shall set you free. And uh, there's some yeah, there's

610
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:24,640
some some nuances here. Uh, there's no doubt there's there there.

611
00:32:24,799 --> 00:32:27,359
We don't have all of the information right now, but

612
00:32:27,599 --> 00:32:31,079
as it stands right now, like I said, the prosecutors

613
00:32:31,079 --> 00:32:35,160
feel very confident. They haven't they had it, had the

614
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:40,640
evidentiary threshold had been reach to have they warrant uh

615
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,359
issued for his arrest. They feel confident in that. We'll

616
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,359
see how it plays out in the in the days

617
00:32:47,359 --> 00:32:50,920
and weeks to come. Uh but uh our heartfelt prayer

618
00:32:51,039 --> 00:32:54,160
prayers to everybody involved. But justice be served, and justice

619
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,839
be served swiftly, and may truth come come forth, because

620
00:32:57,839 --> 00:33:00,079
I think that's all we're looking for right now. We

621
00:33:00,119 --> 00:33:05,720
want pure transparency and unfortunately, in these rape cases, it

622
00:33:05,759 --> 00:33:08,039
can many times become a he said, she said, situation.

623
00:33:09,279 --> 00:33:13,000
You know that, And that's what we find. And it's

624
00:33:13,039 --> 00:33:17,599
it's I mean, we'll have we'll have some people on

625
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,319
throughout the next couple of days and into the next

626
00:33:20,319 --> 00:33:23,839
few weeks about these high profile cases. We have a

627
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,240
plethora of them to go through of alleged grape. Some

628
00:33:27,319 --> 00:33:30,880
of them were were accused and found guilty and and

629
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,960
some of them were were found not guilty and exonerated.

630
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,119
And it's still even when you're exonerated, it's still it

631
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:42,799
still goes with you like people will remember and so

632
00:33:43,599 --> 00:33:47,400
uh you hope it all turns out in my opinion

633
00:33:48,039 --> 00:33:51,680
the justice, justice will be served in, truth will be

634
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,000
held up. That's what you hope. As much data and

635
00:33:54,039 --> 00:33:57,359
information as we can have publicly from the media standpoint,

636
00:33:57,359 --> 00:34:00,000
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the things I think we all want to broach right

677
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now is is the messaging that needs to be articulated

678
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:13,000
and ultimately the honor code enforcement. I guess of student

679
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,400
athletes that are the brand ambassadors of the university in

680
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,960
many ways, right when Brocko Mannhal called the student athletes

681
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:25,039
of BYU the flag bearers of the university. When you're

682
00:36:25,039 --> 00:36:28,679
a flag bearer, what does that mean. It means you're

683
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,880
a face, You're a leader. You're supposed to lead out

684
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:36,760
in the right way. And probably too many times over

685
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,440
the years. I mean even when I was there at

686
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:43,199
BYUKA and even prior to arriving at b there was

687
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,079
a rape scandal in two thousand and four that I

688
00:36:45,079 --> 00:36:47,559
don't know if you guys are aware of it. It

689
00:36:47,599 --> 00:36:51,280
was massive, it was it was jarring. Now many of

690
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,360
these men, by the way, were exonerated. They ended up

691
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,119
finding out that you know, some of this was it

692
00:36:57,159 --> 00:37:00,800
was consensual and but the lies were ruined. Right. It

693
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:06,559
was a high profile rape case. So you know this

694
00:37:06,639 --> 00:37:11,840
has happened before, but you know, what should the messaging

695
00:37:12,159 --> 00:37:16,360
be to the student athletes going forward. We've had three

696
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:20,159
high profile issues recently with honocode violations from high profile players.

697
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,199
You have to Jake Retslow situation with a civil rape

698
00:37:23,559 --> 00:37:28,039
accusation UH premarital relations which is an Honor Code infringement UH.

699
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,960
And then you have the duy with Connard Davis Junior.

700
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,199
And now you have Parker Kingston, another high profile player

701
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:39,199
with a felony rape charge. This is not good. This

702
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:44,599
is not good for for for the institution that holds

703
00:37:44,639 --> 00:37:49,920
itself in mission statements to a very high standard and

704
00:37:50,039 --> 00:37:54,239
every student athlete and every student has to abide by this. Now,

705
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:58,159
when you're a flag bearer. When you are a flag bearer,

706
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:05,079
there is a higher standard. Okay, when you are getting

707
00:38:05,159 --> 00:38:12,159
paid by the university on scholarship, and furthermore, when you're

708
00:38:12,159 --> 00:38:15,639
getting paid from corporations through nil that are locally and

709
00:38:15,679 --> 00:38:20,519
that are BYU advocates and corporate sponsorships, there is a

710
00:38:20,599 --> 00:38:23,719
higher standard probably of behavior that needs to be held.

711
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:29,480
If you're employer, right, you represent right now as the

712
00:38:29,679 --> 00:38:33,000
ESPN the Fan, Cougar Sports. We've been critical. Anything you say,

713
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,320
you know is a reflection of me. Yeah, you own

714
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,119
your own opinions, but it's also reflection on ESPN the Fan.

715
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:40,960
There are certain things that you have to you have

716
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:45,199
a standard of sc guidelines, yeah, SCC guidelines, and there's

717
00:38:45,159 --> 00:38:46,719
certain things you can't do or else you're gonna be

718
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:51,079
held accountable for that. So it bakes the question what

719
00:38:51,079 --> 00:38:57,599
what messaging are coaches, administrators, uh and others that are

720
00:38:57,599 --> 00:39:01,480
involved in the athletic department saying to these student athletes.

721
00:39:01,519 --> 00:39:06,239
Are they setting a tone of stringency. I don't want

722
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,159
a bunch of like fear mongering, right, but you have

723
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:09,920
to instill a little bit of like, look, this is

724
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:14,400
a serious thing. The honor code. In my opinion, I've

725
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,320
teld this time and time again. I've talked to my

726
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:20,480
friends about it. You know, my nephew's playing at BYU

727
00:39:20,559 --> 00:39:23,719
right now. Okay, Danny or excuse me, Tommy, I mean

728
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,159
I'm talking Danny's his dad, right, Danny prasses. So I've

729
00:39:27,159 --> 00:39:29,440
talked to Dan if like, look, the honor code, and

730
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,679
he grew up. You know around a lot of Latter

731
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,599
Day Saints, the Press family, not LDS, but he knows

732
00:39:35,679 --> 00:39:37,360
kind of the stands of Hi'm like, look, the great

733
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,880
thing about the Honor Code is it should keep you

734
00:39:41,079 --> 00:39:45,239
in a lane that that makes it so that you're

735
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,679
going to be temporarily successful. You want to grow up

736
00:39:47,679 --> 00:39:50,440
real quick, sign up to be at BYU and play

737
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,280
sports and become an adult really quick, because it's going

738
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,639
to be about that action, that business. It's about business.

739
00:39:54,679 --> 00:39:57,400
It's about getting work done. It's going to class, it's

740
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,880
going to football practice, it's lifting, it's eating, and then

741
00:40:01,159 --> 00:40:05,199
staying out of trouble outside outside of like things like

742
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:09,199
a you know, like a professional would, right, and and

743
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:14,440
so I think there's so many positive temporal fruits to

744
00:40:14,559 --> 00:40:19,559
the Honor Code. And I do believe in my opinion, Okay,

745
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:25,360
this is my philosophy. I think the temporal fruits in

746
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:29,599
this case are more important than the perceived righteous spiritual benefits.

747
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,599
A lot of people love to be righteous because I'm

748
00:40:32,679 --> 00:40:36,000
looking good in front of Heavenly Father and Jesus. I'm

749
00:40:36,039 --> 00:40:40,480
better than everybody. I'm righteous. There's a self righteous Ramiumpton

750
00:40:40,519 --> 00:40:45,480
culture that is pervasive in many latter day saint homes. Okay,

751
00:40:45,519 --> 00:40:47,239
I've seen it, I've experienced it. They just think they're

752
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:51,000
better than everybody else. I obey the word of wisdom

753
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,280
better than everybody else, and they believe they receive temporal

754
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:58,440
blessings before they receive blessings from it. I'm like, yeah,

755
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,000
doesn't make you any better. It doesn't make you any

756
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:05,079
better than anybody else. That some people need to touch

757
00:41:05,159 --> 00:41:06,800
the hot pan to know that they don't want to

758
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,239
touch the hot pan, and other people can say, you

759
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:09,320
know what, I know, I don't want to touch that

760
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,079
hot band because I know it's not gonna have any

761
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:16,159
good benefit in my life. So to me, the Honor

762
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:20,039
Code is a safety net and it guides you so

763
00:41:20,079 --> 00:41:22,360
that you have temporal stability and you don't have as

764
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,760
much chaos in your life. Look at the chaos that

765
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,679
Parker Kingston has brought into his life, the chaos that

766
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,599
Jake Redslock brought into his life, the chaos that Kennard

767
00:41:31,639 --> 00:41:34,039
Davis Junior brought into his life because he did not

768
00:41:34,159 --> 00:41:37,880
abide by the Honor Code. Instringency, and that's what I'm

769
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,039
talking about. You want to stay out of drama, You

770
00:41:40,079 --> 00:41:42,840
want to stay out of trouble. The Honor Code is

771
00:41:43,199 --> 00:41:45,159
a great way of doing that, and I do believe

772
00:41:45,559 --> 00:41:48,079
we got to probably do a better job of communicating

773
00:41:48,079 --> 00:41:51,719
to our student athletes that you are you are ambassadors

774
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,239
of the university, and the Honor Code is for your safety.

775
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,079
And it's also yeah, there is an you know, you're

776
00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:00,639
you're representing our brand, you're representing our faith, and we

777
00:42:00,679 --> 00:42:02,360
want you to abide by that. Not to say we

778
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,159
don't have Grayson and we don't want to forgive when

779
00:42:05,159 --> 00:42:09,440
you fall short, but the standard, the bar is higher

780
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,719
than it is for others at the university. In my opinion.

781
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 6: Well, I agree, and I have this to say. I

782
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:22,239
don't know how the Honor Code is enforced in the program.

783
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:26,480
I personally don't know. I'm not inside that program. But

784
00:42:26,559 --> 00:42:31,800
I do think that there are some athletes who and

785
00:42:32,199 --> 00:42:34,599
I want to stress this, I think the majority are

786
00:42:34,639 --> 00:42:37,800
great people and and do very well. But I do

787
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:42,159
think that there is there's a portion of BYU student

788
00:42:42,199 --> 00:42:44,519
athletes who do not think the Honor Code is a

789
00:42:44,559 --> 00:42:47,719
serious thing, and I think there needs to be some

790
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,880
messaging that this is more than a piece of paper

791
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,239
you signed to be here, you actually have to live

792
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:59,280
by these standards. Okay, let's talk about something here. As

793
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,840
a normal student at b YU, which I am, the

794
00:43:03,199 --> 00:43:07,800
tuition level, the tuition costs at BYU are significantly lower,

795
00:43:08,159 --> 00:43:12,199
significantly lower than any other university. It could go to yep,

796
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,320
significant And in return, I am asked to live by

797
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,760
some standards, no doubt. And I think that's a fair

798
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:23,880
trade off because I am saving tens of thousands of dollars. Yes, Now,

799
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,519
if you're a student athlete, you're not just saving tens

800
00:43:26,519 --> 00:43:28,000
of thousands of dollars in tuition.

801
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 3: You still have to pay it. But you're getting paid

802
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:31,480
at b YU.

803
00:43:31,639 --> 00:43:35,079
Speaker 6: And if we're to believe what's out there, and I do,

804
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,440
the price that you you're your value to be a

805
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,440
student athlete at b YU is pretty high. You get

806
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:45,840
paid well, not necessarily the best, but it's your market

807
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:47,920
rate and it's it's a handsome payment.

808
00:43:49,039 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 3: And in return, you are asked to live by some standards,

809
00:43:52,039 --> 00:43:53,599
no doubt. And it has to be more than a

810
00:43:53,639 --> 00:43:56,199
piece of paper. It has to.

811
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:01,519
Speaker 6: This is to two rape allegations in a year for

812
00:44:01,599 --> 00:44:04,159
a program, for any program is ridiculous.

813
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,559
Speaker 3: Yes, it's insanity.

814
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 6: At BYU because you have signed those standards it's much.

815
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,519
It's a it's a bigger deal. It really is. Whether

816
00:44:13,599 --> 00:44:16,400
that's right or not, it's a bigger deal. And so

817
00:44:17,559 --> 00:44:20,119
I don't know what the enforcement levels are inside of

818
00:44:20,159 --> 00:44:23,079
the programs, but I think the messaging needs to change

819
00:44:23,119 --> 00:44:25,800
because you can't have this result and say that it

820
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:26,719
has to stay the same.

821
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,639
Speaker 3: Well, I think, I mean to your point about messaging,

822
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,719
Like I remember standing up as a missionary, for instance,

823
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:38,039
and citing certain things, right uh, you know, at at

824
00:44:38,159 --> 00:44:40,880
zone conference, in district meetings and things of that nature.

825
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,559
These are like key tenets of missionary work and things

826
00:44:43,599 --> 00:44:46,199
that know, on hollow hand, will stop the work from progression.

827
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,159
Moms may assemble County Wood, you know, all those things,

828
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:54,559
right uh. And like I think there we may need

829
00:44:54,599 --> 00:44:59,480
to get into a point at BYU. You know, with

830
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,679
with all the things that you mentioned, all the temporal

831
00:45:02,159 --> 00:45:05,719
benefits that you received by attending Brigham Young University, the

832
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:10,480
subsidization through ties and offering, and the education level is

833
00:45:10,559 --> 00:45:12,599
very high, you know, what we need to start doing.

834
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,519
We may need to start reciting in honor code before class.

835
00:45:16,519 --> 00:45:17,679
I hate to say it, but like you know, so

836
00:45:18,159 --> 00:45:21,440
it's like embedded into your mind. This is this is

837
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,960
what you represent. When I had that that placard on

838
00:45:25,039 --> 00:45:29,239
my chest as a missionary, you better believe, like a

839
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:33,920
number one, I felt empowered to go and preach the gospel. Right,

840
00:45:34,519 --> 00:45:37,440
But also, how am I acting? How am I comporting?

841
00:45:37,679 --> 00:45:41,079
Am I doing as Christ would? Does that make sense?

842
00:45:41,159 --> 00:45:42,840
And I think there's a lot to be said about,

843
00:45:43,039 --> 00:45:46,320
you know, being a BYU student and student athlete? Like

844
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,760
am I embodying what I signed up for? Am I

845
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,599
being a good example? You know? Because there is a

846
00:45:53,199 --> 00:45:59,039
there's a it's important BYU has to, in my opinion,

847
00:46:00,599 --> 00:46:05,320
take even a stronger more stringent stance on education of

848
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,239
what the honor Code's all about. Yeah, one hundred percent.

849
00:46:09,159 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 5: I just whatever did or did not happen, it doesn't matter.

850
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,800
I hope and I and I say this primarily four

851
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,480
men because I am a man, But I just hope

852
00:46:20,519 --> 00:46:23,360
everybody sees this and says, I I want to be smart.

853
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:24,920
I want to be smart number one, and I want

854
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,920
to be respectful. We were having this conversation beforehand.

855
00:46:28,199 --> 00:46:31,679
Speaker 3: If if if something even feels like it might not

856
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:35,960
be consensual, I'm out. I'm out because not only almost

857
00:46:36,039 --> 00:46:38,760
like I'm like, oh that she's not interested that's a

858
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,199
Bruce maygo. I'm like, I don't, I don't ever want

859
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,599
to Like we always say this, don't let it go

860
00:46:43,639 --> 00:46:46,320
to a judge's decision. We say that in in UFC

861
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:46,920
and stuff.

862
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:50,320
Speaker 5: Right, like don't don't put yourself in a situation where

863
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,880
it can be he said. She said, and uh, you

864
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,920
bring up the point of like, well, you're being compensated,

865
00:46:57,039 --> 00:46:59,880
keep the rules. It's more than that the rules are

866
00:47:00,159 --> 00:47:02,920
not here for us to be able to say, ha ha,

867
00:47:03,119 --> 00:47:04,000
we're the puppet master.

868
00:47:04,119 --> 00:47:06,039
Speaker 3: We need to decide what choices you make. It's hey,

869
00:47:06,599 --> 00:47:08,400
because look at all the cases.

870
00:47:08,119 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 5: That we've had in the last year, none of them

871
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,039
were isolated incidents of somebody sitting.

872
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,679
Speaker 3: In their own room only bothering themselves.

873
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:17,199
Speaker 5: It's correct somebody else was affected by a choice that

874
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,960
was made. And we can hash all day about consensual

875
00:47:21,039 --> 00:47:26,400
non consensual, but the point being you can't argue about

876
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,199
whether or not it was a Honor Code violation. It

877
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,639
absolutely was a violation. The question was whether or not

878
00:47:31,679 --> 00:47:35,679
it was consensual. And so I just hope that maybe

879
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,320
some young men who were ibyu and who are on

880
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,280
the fence about you know, like I can get.

881
00:47:40,159 --> 00:47:42,199
Speaker 3: Away with this, the honor Code, this, that, and the other.

882
00:47:42,639 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 5: I hope they see this and they go, I just

883
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,159
want to be safe, and I want to be smart,

884
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:48,719
and I want to make good choices, and I don't

885
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:50,920
want to put any young woman in an uncomfortable position.

886
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,000
And that's why I'm gonna say, yeah, you know what,

887
00:47:53,039 --> 00:47:54,519
the Honor Code may not be my favorite thing in

888
00:47:54,559 --> 00:47:56,760
the world, but it keeps me safe and I don't

889
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:00,360
want to jeopardize my future. And I again, we don't

890
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,760
know whether this what is going to happen with Parker Kingston,

891
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,599
but to me, it doesn't matter. I hope every man woman,

892
00:48:07,639 --> 00:48:09,360
I hope everybody sees this and says, you know what,

893
00:48:09,559 --> 00:48:11,679
I just want to be smart and I want to

894
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:13,559
I want to do what's best for me in my future.

895
00:48:13,599 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 3: No, I want to mom. The reason why I bring

896
00:48:15,039 --> 00:48:17,320
up the temporal elements of this is because the students

897
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:21,079
of b YU are not stockaded as a student athlete would.

898
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,760
So like when I talk about the temporal nature of

899
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,639
it and being incentivized, and somebody like, look like you're

900
00:48:28,039 --> 00:48:30,679
you're at the forefront, You're getting paid to represent the

901
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:36,119
university students. They're there like they're not getting paid to

902
00:48:36,119 --> 00:48:38,639
be there, and you're on scholarship. You're on the Hinkley Scholarship.

903
00:48:38,639 --> 00:48:41,480
I get it, Like, but they're not put forth in

904
00:48:41,519 --> 00:48:43,840
a public light in front of millions of people saying like,

905
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,079
I represent b YU. Does that make sense? Nobody looks

906
00:48:47,119 --> 00:48:50,320
at me, and well, I do. I do because I

907
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:54,400
know you and your part, But nobody is public said

908
00:48:54,639 --> 00:48:56,840
one hundred percent. No, one's so Like when I talk

909
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,760
about the temporal nature of that, I'm saying, like, I

910
00:49:00,119 --> 00:49:02,360
think student athletes have to be held to a higher

911
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,000
standards because of that. If you're a New York Yankee,

912
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,280
you have to dress a certain way. You can't. You

913
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:08,920
have to be clean shaven when you're in front of

914
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,719
the media. That's how it's always been. It's you're representing

915
00:49:13,639 --> 00:49:17,119
an institution, a program, a business, and you don't have

916
00:49:17,199 --> 00:49:20,079
to take the paycheck. You don't have to take it.

917
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,199
Are you already found that? One of the reason why A. J.

918
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,199
Debosa came to be yu y. He said, He's been

919
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,800
vocal like, hey, like, I like the honor code, right,

920
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:32,880
and you hope he lives up to it, right? You know,

921
00:49:33,119 --> 00:49:35,199
I like the Book of Morning Class. You know? He

922
00:49:36,119 --> 00:49:37,639
why because he wants to focus on the things that

923
00:49:37,679 --> 00:49:42,480
actually return the best the best ROI for his life

924
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:47,199
and uh and so at any rate, I do think

925
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:52,199
it's important too to be much more aggressive and stringent

926
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,320
within the athletic department about what the Honor Code is

927
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,280
all about, because and really highlight you guys are ambassadors

928
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,800
and you're signing up to be a part of this institution.

929
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,119
And whether you're LDS or not LDS, it doesn't matter.

930
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:05,239
You're gonna be held to a higher standard.

931
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 6: Well and not to not to you know, and insinuate

932
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:11,719
that there should be fear monitoring. But now you have

933
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:15,639
two data program points inside the program of what can

934
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,559
happen even if it is consensual, but you're breaking the

935
00:50:18,559 --> 00:50:21,840
honor code. There's a reality, there's a market for this.

936
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,480
There is a market for this, the two data points

937
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,840
in a year. This is what happens, not maybe not

938
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:29,599
every When you.

939
00:50:29,519 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 3: Say there's a market for this, what are you saying, Well.

940
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:36,599
Speaker 6: I'm saying at BYU, there is a market for exposing

941
00:50:36,679 --> 00:50:37,360
an athlete.

942
00:50:37,639 --> 00:50:39,760
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, as an honor code valley. Well, I

943
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:40,639
think there's an economy.

944
00:50:40,639 --> 00:50:43,519
Speaker 6: I'm not saying a market for but I'm just saying

945
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:47,039
the likelihood that you will be exposed for breaking the

946
00:50:47,079 --> 00:50:49,360
honor code, it's very high.

947
00:50:49,559 --> 00:50:51,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the point I'm trying to make. Yeah, even

948
00:50:51,679 --> 00:50:53,800
if this let's turn out, let's say in your you

949
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,639
know what Hammertime was saying, if this turns out to

950
00:50:56,719 --> 00:51:02,239
be a consensual, uh sex interaction between the alleged the

951
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,920
alleged twenty year old young lady in Saint George and

952
00:51:05,039 --> 00:51:08,840
Parker Kingston, Let's say it comes out that way, there

953
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,360
was an incentive in some way, shape or form for

954
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:15,239
the for the young lady to expose him for an

955
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:17,800
honor code violation and alleged rape, just like there was

956
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,480
an incentive in the civil case with Jake Retslaw to

957
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:25,199
expose him even though there was you know, communication after

958
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:28,679
the the the purported rape, she wanted to hang out

959
00:51:28,679 --> 00:51:30,920
with him again. You know, she stayed at his house

960
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,480
for an extended period of time after, Like, there was

961
00:51:33,519 --> 00:51:36,159
an incentive for that. There's an economy for that. I guess,

962
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:37,559
I guess that's what That's what I'm saying.

963
00:51:37,599 --> 00:51:40,280
Speaker 6: I want to be very clear, I am not insinuating

964
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:41,079
that's what's happened.

965
00:51:41,119 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 3: How No, Yeah, and I know I'm not saying you

966
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:47,199
you are, but like at at at the at least

967
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:51,760
right that you at the very least, you're gonna expose

968
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:56,000
yourself to someone that is seeking some sort of gain

969
00:51:57,039 --> 00:51:59,639
from you putting yourself in that situation.

970
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,519
Speaker 4: If I could hop in here, Ben and I just

971
00:52:02,559 --> 00:52:05,280
think about this too, Like if you're a BYU athlete

972
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,199
or a student right in general, and especially for athletes,

973
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,920
you have a lot more to lose right now. Obviously, rape,

974
00:52:11,079 --> 00:52:13,199
you know, you know, accused of alleged rapist is different,

975
00:52:13,199 --> 00:52:15,159
but you're not at the universe of Utah. And I'm

976
00:52:15,159 --> 00:52:16,760
gonna say this over the oware is you can't have

977
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:20,039
consensual sex and not have a reprimand if you're caught,

978
00:52:20,079 --> 00:52:21,039
like that's just how it goes.

979
00:52:21,079 --> 00:52:22,559
Speaker 2: Like Okay, let's say consensually.

980
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 4: Okay, what's gonna happen If this is found out to

981
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,360
be consensual, He's now going to get suspended for how

982
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:27,880
many games?

983
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:29,639
Speaker 2: That's going to be the next thing.

984
00:52:29,639 --> 00:52:31,679
Speaker 4: And like what Brett's pointing, what him and I were

985
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,320
talking about, is I learn it's kind of like the Gospel.

986
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,960
My testimony is I feel the spirit through other people's

987
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:40,719
testimony is validated often through other people's experiences that principle

988
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,280
applies to life. Ben, if you are now a student

989
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,239
athlete in there, whether you remember the church or not,

990
00:52:45,639 --> 00:52:47,760
whether you whatever your reasons is, I'm not in your

991
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:49,920
I don't want to. I have nothing to do with

992
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:51,440
your dealings with God. I don't care to.

993
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:53,639
Speaker 2: But I will tell you this, which is a normal thing,

994
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:55,599
and it's an it's adult.

995
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 4: Minded seeing your fellow man go through something that clicks

996
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,119
in my brain. If I do the same thing, I

997
00:53:01,119 --> 00:53:04,039
could be in the same position. And that's just life

998
00:53:04,039 --> 00:53:06,400
in general. Right, this should be a lesson now that

999
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,039
it's happened twice three times in the department, if you

1000
00:53:09,119 --> 00:53:11,320
go through something and if you are caught or if

1001
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,280
something does happen, that you could also be subject to

1002
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,480
the same thing. So I hope this is for anybody

1003
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,599
student athlete, remember the church not that has thought about

1004
00:53:19,639 --> 00:53:22,800
maybe breaking the onticode after signing it. You know, whether

1005
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:24,800
they are intentionally trying to do it or not. To

1006
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:29,119
think twice now about this because now we've had both examples, right,

1007
00:53:29,159 --> 00:53:31,280
We've had someone out of the faith and someone of

1008
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,639
the We've had two data points. Ben, you always tell

1009
00:53:33,639 --> 00:53:35,760
me something I've learned this lesson in my brain. I

1010
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:36,920
need two or three data points.

1011
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:37,800
Speaker 2: Well I have them.

1012
00:53:38,079 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 4: And I hope now that everybody in athletic department who

1013
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,800
is an athlete understands that and sees it and just

1014
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:45,920
will think twice. Maybe we do need to recite that. Look,

1015
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:47,800
I came from my all boys school and we recited

1016
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,800
to Creed every day before I went to class. Look,

1017
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:52,559
maybe you recite the critionical look And that's not me

1018
00:53:52,599 --> 00:53:53,599
trying to be tongue of cheek and.

1019
00:53:53,599 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 2: Poke, but I'm being serious and remind you. But Brettna

1020
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:58,159
had this conversation.

1021
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 4: Now that you've gone through this as athletic department and

1022
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,519
you've seen your teammates, I am of the opinion of, like,

1023
00:54:03,559 --> 00:54:05,679
I want to go through that, so don't. I hope

1024
00:54:05,679 --> 00:54:08,840
that people just think twice now about what the consequences

1025
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,119
could be of that, so they just don't put themselves

1026
00:54:11,119 --> 00:54:11,320
in that.

1027
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:12,639
Speaker 2: And look, you could be doing nothing wrong.

1028
00:54:12,679 --> 00:54:15,800
Speaker 4: You could have a concent relationship with your girlfriend and

1029
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,719
things right. But if you break you know a rule

1030
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:21,480
that you have signed, there's going to be punishment. And

1031
00:54:21,519 --> 00:54:24,199
now that's the tough part is now Parker Kingston, whatever

1032
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,079
the justice may be, if he did it, he'll go

1033
00:54:26,119 --> 00:54:29,079
away if he didn't feels consensual. He now has affected

1034
00:54:29,079 --> 00:54:33,199
his career, his football, this woman's family, his own family.

1035
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,719
I want everybody to think about that going forward before

1036
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:37,920
you make a decision, and look at the power of

1037
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:41,039
social media is powerful. Ben Nothing we do now, regardless

1038
00:54:41,079 --> 00:54:45,119
you've been myself a p Brett, it's put on blasts

1039
00:54:45,159 --> 00:54:47,320
now in the world of twenty twenty six. And I

1040
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,679
just want everybody to be cautious because what you say,

1041
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:54,239
what you do, every tweet, every clip, now, everything behind

1042
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:56,519
closed doors, it can affect your career for the rest

1043
00:54:56,559 --> 00:54:57,119
of your life.

1044
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 6: Well, it's true, and I just want I just think

1045
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:06,119
that the reality is that I think there's a reality

1046
00:55:06,159 --> 00:55:10,800
that anyone that you're having like a one time hook

1047
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,480
up with, which is what this seems to to and

1048
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,159
Parker's mind is claiming to be it's a it's a

1049
00:55:16,199 --> 00:55:18,599
transaction that does not they do not have your best

1050
00:55:18,639 --> 00:55:21,440
interest at heart, and you are putting way too much

1051
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:26,960
in their hands. And that's that is if if what

1052
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,199
Parker is claiming is true, and I am not gonna

1053
00:55:29,199 --> 00:55:33,800
say that, there's just needs to they're just like Ron said,

1054
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:37,679
you just need to be careful, especially when you sign

1055
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:38,599
an honor code.

1056
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:42,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, you mentioned the Olivia Kella hare tweet. So the

1057
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,440
date of the alleged right with Parker Kingston. Let me

1058
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:49,280
let me give like a quick you know, like closing

1059
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:51,400
as it relates to the honor code. And I was

1060
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,239
chatting with my buddy DP here he says, Look, if

1061
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:56,519
you're gonna have a code and loudly and probably say

1062
00:55:56,559 --> 00:55:58,000
you have a code and hold yourself to a different

1063
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,079
standard than yeah, it's it needs to be held to

1064
00:56:00,119 --> 00:56:03,119
a tighter and higher standard. Now I agree with that wholeheartedly.

1065
00:56:03,519 --> 00:56:06,119
Now what what you what happens when whenever you set

1066
00:56:06,119 --> 00:56:10,480
a bar that's high, those that dislike you are they

1067
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,440
are primed and they they want to see you fail.

1068
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,239
So if you're anti LDS or if you're anti b YU,

1069
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,760
you're gonna find a way. And we've seen the incentivized

1070
00:56:20,039 --> 00:56:23,880
marketplace for this. Uh. I had boys go out to

1071
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:27,119
the Salt Lake City and other places and if they

1072
00:56:27,119 --> 00:56:30,960
were in a interesting situation, guys, I'm like, you're gonna

1073
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,760
get called out on this. Anybody that hates b YU,

1074
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:37,239
you hates at the Latter Day Saints, They're they're gonna,

1075
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,239
they're gonna call and report you for the Honor Code

1076
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:44,400
violation that you're you're you're involved in, right, So I

1077
00:56:44,639 --> 00:56:46,440
do think there's an element that needs to be taken

1078
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,239
account there, But like, yeah, if you're gonna set a

1079
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,320
high standard and be proud about it, then there has

1080
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,960
to be at least to me, it's about education. And

1081
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,559
maybe some people would call it fear mongering, but there

1082
00:56:56,599 --> 00:57:01,920
has to be consistent messaging and a education about what

1083
00:57:02,119 --> 00:57:04,960
it is, what it means to be a bu y

1084
00:57:05,039 --> 00:57:07,280
U student athlete, and and you have to take a

1085
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:11,199
very business like approach with it and hold them accountable.

1086
00:57:11,559 --> 00:57:13,920
And like I said, I don't necessarily want to be fearing. Look,

1087
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:15,800
you're gonna ruin your life if you do this, if

1088
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,679
you get in, if you if you engage in a

1089
00:57:18,719 --> 00:57:21,760
consensual sexual act with a woman, you're gonna ruin your

1090
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:24,519
life because she could take that if it's too transactional,

1091
00:57:24,599 --> 00:57:26,400
she's gonna she's gonna go over to the Honor Code

1092
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,039
and call you off, and she could coccuse you of

1093
00:57:28,039 --> 00:57:31,639
a rape. But that's really a serious situation, like that happens,

1094
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:35,360
that can't happen. Does that make sense? So I don't

1095
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:37,199
know exactly what the messaging needs to be but there

1096
00:57:37,199 --> 00:57:39,559
needs to be more education. DP goes on, I don't

1097
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:42,440
even believe in some of the things that that the

1098
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,800
Honor Code, you know, you know is asking there the

1099
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,280
student athletes do. If you read through the Honor Code right,

1100
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:51,000
you could be Christian, right and you could look at

1101
00:57:51,039 --> 00:57:53,159
it like no coffee, no tea is like I don't

1102
00:57:53,159 --> 00:57:56,320
believe in that, you know what I mean, like hot drinks?

1103
00:57:56,360 --> 00:58:01,280
Really come on, ease up, guys. So but you know,

1104
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:03,239
he goes on. I do believe if you're gonna say

1105
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:05,639
you're gonna do this, you should do it and be

1106
00:58:05,719 --> 00:58:08,840
held to it. Otherwise it's all fake, right, So if

1107
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:10,599
you're gonna have a standard, try to live up to it.

1108
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:14,400
I do think like it's very it's very nuanced, because

1109
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,599
like it got to the point, guys, I'm telling you

1110
00:58:17,639 --> 00:58:20,719
where it became very sad. You sayical pharisyacal, like where

1111
00:58:20,719 --> 00:58:23,199
you're going to throw a stone at any sin and

1112
00:58:23,239 --> 00:58:27,239
you're gonna you're gonna publicly stockade student athletes. Do I

1113
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:30,119
believe the foreign fashion in which we castigated and punish

1114
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:32,199
Brandon Davis was the right way to do it, even

1115
00:58:32,239 --> 00:58:34,599
though he fell short because he had sex and had

1116
00:58:34,599 --> 00:58:37,800
a BA got a girl pregnant before the NCAA tournament

1117
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:40,559
into in in twenty eleven. No, I don't don't think

1118
00:58:40,599 --> 00:58:44,320
it was the best way to approach that, Like that

1119
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:51,559
was a consensual situation, right, like so yeah, like the

1120
00:58:51,559 --> 00:58:55,760
the details do matter to me and and the scriptures

1121
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,440
say God look at upon the heart. I do think

1122
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:05,239
intent is is is is is powerful? What was the intent?

1123
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:08,840
And it's hard to judge intent. But I will say this,

1124
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:13,639
much as I've spoken with the young men okay that

1125
00:59:13,679 --> 00:59:16,840
are in my my my sphere, and I talk to

1126
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:23,559
them about intimacy and sexual relationships with with the opposite sex,

1127
00:59:24,719 --> 00:59:31,719
I tell them that you will feel empty. You will

1128
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:35,360
do a disservice to your soul. I am telling you

1129
00:59:36,199 --> 00:59:44,440
if you transact your hormonal nature, meaning if you want

1130
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:48,239
to get into if you just want some sort of

1131
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:52,519
a release, and you transact that from a girl that

1132
00:59:52,519 --> 00:59:55,119
that that that just want it wants to be your boyfriend,

1133
00:59:55,159 --> 00:59:57,679
wants to marry you, like and you don't want anything

1134
00:59:57,719 --> 01:00:01,639
more than that than that transaction, you will be held

1135
01:00:01,679 --> 01:00:04,599
accountable in this life for the next and you're gonna

1136
01:00:04,639 --> 01:00:06,360
do a disservice to your soul. Now, I don't know

1137
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:08,400
if that's a powerful enough message to get them to

1138
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,719
stop or to like, you know, listen and not engage

1139
01:00:11,719 --> 01:00:15,360
in that stuff. But I'm telling you, man, there is

1140
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:21,000
emptiness in that transaction. There is nothing enduring in that

1141
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:25,920
nothing enduring. And so I like I am, I'm very

1142
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:29,360
much you know, educationally based, but sometimes the fear mongering

1143
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:32,960
of of of uh of a of a law of

1144
01:00:33,039 --> 01:00:37,559
Moses type of manner that changes behavior, like human nature

1145
01:00:37,639 --> 01:00:44,079
is what they are. Humans get get moved by incentives

1146
01:00:44,119 --> 01:00:48,599
or accountability. Baseline human nature. It's either an incentive or

1147
01:00:48,639 --> 01:00:51,239
it's accountability. The pure love of Christ and like we're

1148
01:00:51,239 --> 01:00:55,559
seeing another human as God would see them. Very few

1149
01:00:55,679 --> 01:01:00,000
people on earth know and experience that love and empathy

1150
01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:02,400
towards their fellow man. That's what the Sermon on the

1151
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:05,119
Mount is all about. Christ was trying to teach us.

1152
01:01:05,719 --> 01:01:10,760
Very few really embody that what are we? We're tossed

1153
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:13,119
to and fro by incentives and accountability. So sometimes you

1154
01:01:13,159 --> 01:01:15,079
maybe have to just get linear with it if you

1155
01:01:15,079 --> 01:01:18,559
want to avoid these things. So can I jump? Those

1156
01:01:18,559 --> 01:01:20,320
are my final thoughts on You bring up.

1157
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 4: A good point, I think, and I just want to

1158
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:23,599
echo that, right, because I was talking about this last

1159
01:01:23,639 --> 01:01:24,880
night with my wife.

1160
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 2: Been you know, I have a daughter.

1161
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 3: You've met drewsy Bear.

1162
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,599
Speaker 4: Anybody who's met drewsy love drewsey Bear, right, and if

1163
01:01:29,599 --> 01:01:31,239
that would happened to djerwsey Bear, I'm not gonna lie.

1164
01:01:31,239 --> 01:01:33,480
I might you might, I might not be spiritual, might

1165
01:01:33,519 --> 01:01:34,960
have to do some laying on of hands, you know, look,

1166
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:37,840
because that's what that's a father speaking, right. But from

1167
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,079
a standpoint, I remember this from a young age, and

1168
01:01:40,159 --> 01:01:42,079
I have three younger sisters, and I think this is

1169
01:01:42,119 --> 01:01:44,519
something that was drilled into me right in military parents.

1170
01:01:45,159 --> 01:01:47,519
They told me, you know, and taught me what the

1171
01:01:47,639 --> 01:01:51,719
consequences were of if a woman says no being in

1172
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,400
the situation, even if it is consensual. They taught me

1173
01:01:54,519 --> 01:01:56,639
just both of that. Like I remember my mom came

1174
01:01:56,679 --> 01:01:58,559
to me at sixteen and had the whole bag. And

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I'm being honest, I saying this, and I want people

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to understand, like it's like, why do you have a

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stuff about std A, condoms and all that. She's like,

1178
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I want you to understand the danger and the nature

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of what could happen if you do such a thing

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like the explaining the tea and maybe it was fear

1181
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monger right at sixteen're like, oh, I don't want to

1182
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:15,639
you know, have a child at that age, right, But

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what I learned being at that point of a young man,

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and sometimes we have to teach this more. And what

1185
01:02:20,719 --> 01:02:23,599
they push was you need to understand who you are

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as a man, your urges, where it's coming from, to

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not make certain mistakes.

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Speaker 2: Like the education.

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Speaker 4: I think what you said is that, and I think

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that is powerful teaching young men, letting them know, showing

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them examples will.

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Speaker 2: Help keep you out of that. It goes back to

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my principal before.

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Speaker 4: If I see someone else going to something like, okay,

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you know, fear evil, avoid evil, right, I don't want

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to participate in that because why would I want to

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put myself in a bad situation. I think we have

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to do a better job, not just with young men,

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but all of our children, right, teach our daughters, Hey,

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avoid this if you see this, right, these are the

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things you do if you if this situation that comes.

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But for as a young man that was taught right,

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that had three younger sisters, It was drilled into my brain.

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I think we need to do that too, are you

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than our young men of like, there are consequences to

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these things and you need to understand and if you don't,

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you can be in these same situations not just if

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you're accused, right if you were wrong, but also consentual.

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I think both play a factor because of that, because

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you bring up the Brandon Davies a consensual thing, and

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still you can be publicly ridiculed because of that. I

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think both of those matter because both are true. And

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I just hope that that's the lesson of just don't

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put yourself in a bad situation.

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Speaker 3: What I'm trying to gain more clarity on it, and

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01:03:28,119 --> 01:03:29,880
we need to reach out to a few more sources here.

1217
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:32,000
The date of the ELLECGT rape was two twenty three,

1218
01:03:32,079 --> 01:03:35,760
twenty twenty five. But was it reported to police or

1219
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:39,920
did she report to Saint George's Regional Hospital on the

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twenty seventh of February four days later? Does that make sense?

1221
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:46,519
It did happen, I heard saying, and the article is

1222
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:50,719
not super it's not clear. It's not clear of that.

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01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:52,920
Speaker 5: I do think it's saying that she went to the

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police four days after, But in the article it says

1225
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that she went to the police four days.

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Speaker 3: After after she'd been to the hospital. So don't know

1227
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:04,320
when this is true. Yeah, so it's like four days

1228
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:07,079
after an alleged rape and then you go to the

1229
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hospital and a rape kit is is is ultimately employed

1230
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and executed? Uh? That process? You know, I don't know

1231
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how forensic data is ultimately acquired through four days after

1232
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and how that works. Does that make sense? Typically you

1233
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want to do that immediately after in a an encounter

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01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:35,280
sexual encounter. So I don't know how that is ultimately

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executed and how that that works. But I would like

1236
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more clarity on that so to to be determined. Hopefully

1237
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we get more data and more insight as it relates

1238
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to that. Uh that those particular elements of this case.

1239
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I want to close out the segment with a little

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bit of lighthearted commentary here. I love protein. I hope

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