1 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: And we are back with another edition of the Federalist 2 00:00:20,559 --> 00:00:23,800 Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle, Senior Elections correspondent at the 3 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:28,480 Federalist and your experienced Shirpa on today's quest for Knowledge. 4 00:00:28,839 --> 00:00:31,839 As always, you can email the show at radio at 5 00:00:31,839 --> 00:00:36,079 the Federalist dot com, follow us on x at FDR LST, 6 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,280 make sure to subscribe wherever you download your podcast, and 7 00:00:39,359 --> 00:00:42,079 of course to the premium version of our website as well. 8 00:00:42,679 --> 00:00:46,479 Our guests today are Jack Lyle, Chairman of the Clemson 9 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:51,359 College Republicans, and Jackson Heberlin, Social chairman of the Clemson 10 00:00:51,439 --> 00:00:55,560 College Republicans. These two young men have, over the past 11 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:59,359 several days, been on the front lines in really a 12 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:04,519 battle of good versus evil. I don't think that as 13 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:08,920 overstating that on our college campuses, social media, and so 14 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:12,760 many other places in this brave new world of the 15 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:17,200 far left assassination culture. Jack and Jackson, thank you so 16 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:19,400 much for joining us on this edition of the Federalist 17 00:01:19,439 --> 00:01:19,959 Radio Hour. 18 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 2: I'm happy to be here. Thank you very much. 19 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:28,799 Speaker 1: Absolutely, Jack, thank you too. I will start with you Jack, 20 00:01:29,519 --> 00:01:32,920 and I know that your your voice is a little 21 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,120 rough view. Both of you have been telling your story 22 00:01:36,719 --> 00:01:39,239 for the last several days. I appreciate you taking some 23 00:01:39,359 --> 00:01:43,879 time today telling your stories to the point where you 24 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,200 know you've lost a bit at the voice as well. 25 00:01:46,799 --> 00:01:49,920 The one thing that I find impressive about both of 26 00:01:49,959 --> 00:01:55,400 you is and your your colleagues over at the College Republicans, 27 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:58,239 as you stood up for your voice, you stood up 28 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:04,280 for the first Amendment, You stood up for decency. Tell 29 00:02:04,359 --> 00:02:09,240 us what happened on the university, Jack, the university, Clemson University, 30 00:02:10,719 --> 00:02:15,599 in the wake of a horrible and horrifying incident, that 31 00:02:15,719 --> 00:02:22,159 is the assassination of Turning Point co founder Charlie Kirk, 32 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:29,080 a young conservative icon. You started seeing some things both 33 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,360 of you did on social media. What happened at that point? 34 00:02:32,479 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 3: Jack, Yes, sir, Yeah, So the first thing that we 35 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,800 saw on less than two hours notice was more than 36 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,639 three hundred of our fellow students here at Clemson University 37 00:02:43,039 --> 00:02:46,759 gather for a very heartfelt vigil that evening here in 38 00:02:46,759 --> 00:02:49,199 the Amphitheater on campus. That was something that I found 39 00:02:49,199 --> 00:02:54,120 to be extremely encouraging, extremely supportive at that time. I mean, 40 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,000 we were all very much in shock. I heard from 41 00:02:57,479 --> 00:03:01,120 any number of my fellow students across the social spectrum 42 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,039 here really there was just so much shock, there was 43 00:03:04,039 --> 00:03:07,520 so much awe, there was so much sadness, and so 44 00:03:07,599 --> 00:03:10,879 it was really encouraging to see so many of my 45 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,000 good friends and somebody whom I had not met and 46 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,039 whom I had not seen come together to honor and 47 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,879 to remember Charlie in the wake of his assassination. 48 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: I'm sure it felt like to many of us an 49 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,560 absolute sucker punch when the news started to break that 50 00:03:25,719 --> 00:03:28,360 first Charlie Kirk had been shot while speaking as he 51 00:03:29,039 --> 00:03:32,800 did so often at the college campus in Utah. I'll 52 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,120 ask you first, and then Jackson, I'll ask you what 53 00:03:35,159 --> 00:03:38,800 went through your mind. Jack as this news came down. 54 00:03:40,719 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 3: I disbelief more than anything, really, I mean, due to 55 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:51,560 sort of my exposure and my experience in politics. He 56 00:03:51,719 --> 00:03:54,800 was not a super emotional reaction for the first couple 57 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:58,120 of hours. Really, I just couldn't believe that they shot 58 00:03:58,199 --> 00:04:00,919 Charlie Kirk. You know, there's so many figures on the 59 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:05,159 right that you think this is a very controversial individual. 60 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:07,919 They might have gone after someone more extreme, they might 61 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:11,719 have gone after someone more high profile. But to see 62 00:04:11,719 --> 00:04:14,560 that they shot Charlie Kirk, I could not believe it. 63 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,920 It really was just a sheer. 64 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:21,079 Speaker 1: Disbelief, Jackson, what was going through your mind as you 65 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:26,079 heard first the news that Charlie Kirk had been shot, 66 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:30,000 and then not long after that Charlie Kirk was a 67 00:04:30,079 --> 00:04:33,959 victim and turned out to be a victim of the 68 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:37,360 violence culture that we have seen so much of on 69 00:04:37,399 --> 00:04:37,879 the left. 70 00:04:39,199 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 2: The moment I heard about it, I was really quite shocked. 71 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:46,399 As with Jack, Initially there was a great deal of disbelief. 72 00:04:46,439 --> 00:04:48,839 I thought that it may have been some sick joke 73 00:04:48,879 --> 00:04:50,560 that a friend was telling me about whenever I was 74 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:54,319 initially messaged about it. But after looking online and seeing 75 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,519 the video, I immediately just moved into prayer and trying 76 00:04:57,560 --> 00:04:59,639 to offer a prayer for Charlie. It helped that everything 77 00:04:59,639 --> 00:05:02,879 would be a But after the moment for Paris Pubsidon 78 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,120 and I really took time to think about it. I 79 00:05:05,199 --> 00:05:07,240 was stricken with the fact that of all the people, 80 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:09,800 you know, like Jack said, Charlie Kirk. I mean, I, 81 00:05:09,959 --> 00:05:12,160 Jack can verify pretty quickly after I called him and 82 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,399 I was saying, I cannot believe it was Charlie Kirk 83 00:05:14,439 --> 00:05:18,000 of all people, because to me, and maybe this is 84 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,639 part of being you know, more in the conservative culture, 85 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,600 but that would be one of the last people on 86 00:05:23,639 --> 00:05:26,120 my list to think that what a radical leftist would 87 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,480 chose to assassinate. And I'm sure if you're online and 88 00:05:29,519 --> 00:05:32,000 you look at, you know, the variety and discourse and 89 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:36,040 the variety and opinion that we see from popular conservative influencers, 90 00:05:36,399 --> 00:05:38,800 you'd understand that Charlie Kirk was by no means on 91 00:05:38,879 --> 00:05:41,839 the right end of that spectrum for conservative influencers. So 92 00:05:41,879 --> 00:05:45,879 it was really a big shock for me. And after 93 00:05:45,959 --> 00:05:50,199 I had learned about his passing, obviously it really affected 94 00:05:50,199 --> 00:05:53,720 me in a way that I was surprised it would 95 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:58,920 because you just to think that he would be someone 96 00:05:58,959 --> 00:06:01,639 who had passed from this island. I still can't, I 97 00:06:01,639 --> 00:06:02,920 still can't rationalize it. 98 00:06:03,759 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 1: Well, I think, and I understand that. I think there 99 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:07,800 are a lot of us out there saying too. A 100 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:11,639 couple of things, because for those who knew Charlie Kirk, 101 00:06:12,639 --> 00:06:15,720 he was a man thirty one years old. First and foremost, 102 00:06:15,879 --> 00:06:17,920 he is a young man thirty one years old. Now, 103 00:06:17,959 --> 00:06:20,120 I say that from my perspective, you think of him 104 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:24,120 as a little older from your perspective as college students, 105 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:26,160 but you know, as a fifty something year old man 106 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:30,720 He's a young man who had an exceptional impact and 107 00:06:30,759 --> 00:06:35,519 an exceptional talent to communicate conservative ideas and ideals, but 108 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:40,240 not just conservative ideas and ideals, his faith. His faith, 109 00:06:40,319 --> 00:06:44,000 particularly in his latter years, became so front and center. 110 00:06:44,079 --> 00:06:47,480 And I think that's the thing that connected with a 111 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:52,720 lot of us Christians, the most conservative Christians in America. 112 00:06:52,759 --> 00:06:58,639 And so it wasn't just a political thing. Jack, did 113 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:02,279 you feel like it was a spiritual thing as well? 114 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:03,480 For you? 115 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 4: Absolutely? Absolutely, yeah. 116 00:07:07,079 --> 00:07:10,519 Speaker 3: The fact that Charlie intertwined so much of the Christian 117 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:15,160 message into his political messaging, it was just an inspiration 118 00:07:15,319 --> 00:07:18,680 to me. I am a Christian, I am actually a Catholic, 119 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,399 and to see that a man who was so dedicated 120 00:07:21,399 --> 00:07:25,160 to the Lord, who was so dedicated to spreading the Gospel, 121 00:07:26,279 --> 00:07:28,519 was taken from us such a violent manner, it was 122 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:32,800 really it was a shocking thing. It was absolutely just disgusting. 123 00:07:32,959 --> 00:07:36,839 I mean the video. I unfortunately, I saw the video 124 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,279 and I just could not believe what I was seeing. 125 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 4: I was shocked. 126 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:47,319 Speaker 1: You can't wash your mind out of that sort of violence. 127 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,800 It was said very early on in our Federalist chat 128 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:55,000 some unfortunately had seen the video and their recommendation to 129 00:07:55,079 --> 00:07:58,319 all of us was don't watch this. Just as we 130 00:07:58,399 --> 00:08:03,240 had seen from surveillance video not long before, not too 131 00:08:03,319 --> 00:08:05,959 terribly far from you where you folks are in Charlotte, 132 00:08:05,959 --> 00:08:10,399 North Carolina, we saw a victim, a twenty three year 133 00:08:10,439 --> 00:08:16,879 old another young woman, riding on a public train, public transit, 134 00:08:17,079 --> 00:08:20,759 being stabbed in cold blood and murdered in cold blood 135 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:24,199 on that train. So the image of violence that has 136 00:08:24,279 --> 00:08:27,959 gone down in our minds is very difficult. But what 137 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:32,000 made it significantly more difficult in talking to you folks. 138 00:08:32,039 --> 00:08:35,000 For a story I wrote on this for the Federalist, 139 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,240 you can find it at the Federalist dot com. The 140 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:45,600 headline is this Tennessee excuse me. A Clemson employee has 141 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:53,600 now been fired because of absolutely grotesque statements made on 142 00:08:53,679 --> 00:09:01,080 his Facebook account celebrating the death of Charley Kirk, the 143 00:09:01,159 --> 00:09:06,320 assassination of Charlie Kirk. Two other professors at Clemson have 144 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:10,480 been put on leave suspended. They're no longer in the 145 00:09:10,519 --> 00:09:17,120 classrooms pending a further investigation. Jackson, You folks started to 146 00:09:17,399 --> 00:09:21,360 go online and alert the public about this. For those 147 00:09:21,399 --> 00:09:27,399 who hadn't seen these very disturbing posts by these faculty 148 00:09:27,399 --> 00:09:31,519 members and staff members at Clemson. What were they saying 149 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:35,360 in the aftermath aftermath of Charlie Kirk's death. 150 00:09:36,799 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 2: Across the three individuals, there's a pretty good variety of 151 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:44,759 radicalization in the statements. Some statements, while equally gross, were 152 00:09:44,799 --> 00:09:48,240 more so down to this was karma or he deserved this, 153 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,279 while other posts seemed to revel in it. One professor 154 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,399 said that it was a beautiful day, that day had happened, 155 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,840 and he had some strange rant about how the birds 156 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,000 were singing, the sun was shining. It was something along 157 00:10:01,039 --> 00:10:04,559 those lines, and he seemed to be very proud when 158 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,320 he made his statement saying you can't talk in public 159 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:10,799 nomo think about the consequences, And it was something that. 160 00:10:10,759 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 4: Was really. 161 00:10:13,759 --> 00:10:15,879 Speaker 2: For me at least, That's what first stood out, is 162 00:10:15,919 --> 00:10:19,080 seeing him happy about it and then asserting that this 163 00:10:19,159 --> 00:10:21,320 is a new norm that should be set for conservatives. 164 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,879 But for me, when I saw the messages sent by 165 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:29,000 the faculty member who was let go, that's when I 166 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:33,639 really understood how severe of an issue this was. A 167 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,559 faculty member who worked with asbestos control on this campus 168 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:42,480 published publicly saying that in a world of I believe 169 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:46,080 it was the United Healthcare CEO and Charlie kirk BA 170 00:10:47,399 --> 00:10:50,840 and then the name of the two assassins, Magioni and 171 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:51,799 the Tyler Robinson. 172 00:10:51,799 --> 00:10:54,679 Speaker 1: I think is the name, but exactly yeah, it says, 173 00:10:54,799 --> 00:10:59,360 and this is the exact statement, and it's horrifying in 174 00:10:59,519 --> 00:11:03,840 every depth and breadth of the statement. It says, in 175 00:11:03,879 --> 00:11:07,919 a world full of Charlie Kirks and Brian Thompson's be 176 00:11:08,039 --> 00:11:13,120 a Tyler Robinson or a Luigi Mangioni. This is a 177 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,320 guy by the name of Robin Newberry a long time 178 00:11:17,039 --> 00:11:21,879 as Jackson noted Clemson as bestest program manager who has 179 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:27,519 to deal with toxic things, apparently spewing toxic toxic things, 180 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:32,240 but not only exercising his free speech to criticize the dead. 181 00:11:33,039 --> 00:11:39,519 That's one thing. He is absolutely mister Newberry, according to 182 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:44,159 the post, and according to multiple sources who named mister 183 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:49,080 Newberry as the person who posted this file thing, he 184 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:56,679 is advocating for political assassination. You folks jumped right on this, 185 00:11:57,039 --> 00:12:01,679 and jack let me ask you, how did you come 186 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:05,440 across this? Did somebody tip you guys off? However that 187 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:11,519 was you responded immediately When Clemson, the university and administration 188 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:12,519 did not. 189 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:16,879 Speaker 3: Yeaes sir, Yes, So we received emails from a number 190 00:12:16,879 --> 00:12:20,960 of the community here in Clemson basically informing us that 191 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,559 these statements were being made. A number of our friends 192 00:12:24,639 --> 00:12:26,759 over in our Turning Point chapter made us aware of 193 00:12:26,799 --> 00:12:30,159 these things. And then really I was very encouraged to 194 00:12:30,159 --> 00:12:33,679 see how many of our faculty, and how many of 195 00:12:33,879 --> 00:12:38,120 the just greater Clemson community, alumni and parents and everyone 196 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:40,519 of that nature, they all reached out to us to 197 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:42,320 not only give their sport, to make sure that we 198 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:46,039 were aware that the statements were being made, and it 199 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,399 was our it was our pleasure, and we felt it 200 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:48,960 was our duty. 201 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 4: As soon as we received these. 202 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 3: Statements to make sure that they were taken as public 203 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,720 as possible. We took them to the South Carolina Freedom Caucus, 204 00:12:55,759 --> 00:12:58,399 we took them to as many elected officials as we could, 205 00:12:58,399 --> 00:13:00,200 and we were very grateful for the support that we 206 00:13:00,279 --> 00:13:03,799 receive from those individuals. Now, I do have an update 207 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:07,960 on the two members of faculty. Okay, the investigations have 208 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:11,000 been concluded and they have been dismissed from their positions. 209 00:13:11,039 --> 00:13:13,360 Were very encouraged to see that. We're very glad the 210 00:13:13,399 --> 00:13:15,600 university took that step earlier today. 211 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 1: Okay, that has not been reported, I don't believe or 212 00:13:18,759 --> 00:13:22,279 as just being reported as we talk about this now, 213 00:13:22,759 --> 00:13:25,000 there was a good deal of concern that the faculty members. 214 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,679 Now again, you know, we all have our level of 215 00:13:28,879 --> 00:13:36,200 shock and being disturbed. The disturbing comments from mister Newberry 216 00:13:37,519 --> 00:13:41,559 to me hold a little different place than the others. 217 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,919 Absolutely appalling that these two professors said what they said. 218 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:49,240 The one, as Jackson said, it was, wasn't it karma 219 00:13:49,799 --> 00:13:53,559 that caught up with Charlie Kirk because he didn't like 220 00:13:53,639 --> 00:13:56,879 what Charlie Kirk's message was like a lot of leftists 221 00:13:56,919 --> 00:13:59,799 out there, and the other guy may be a little 222 00:13:59,799 --> 00:14:04,399 bit worse in talking, you know about what a beautiful 223 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,480 day it was. Effectively you read between the lines what 224 00:14:07,519 --> 00:14:10,320 a beautiful day for an assassination of a young conservative 225 00:14:10,399 --> 00:14:14,960 leader is basically it. There were concerns that these guys 226 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:19,600 would be protected under freedom of speech, under academic freedom 227 00:14:19,679 --> 00:14:24,320 on campus. The Attorney General in South Carolina said no, no, no, no, 228 00:14:25,399 --> 00:14:30,480 they do not have job protection because of this. Jackson, 229 00:14:30,559 --> 00:14:33,720 let me ask you, what do you think. Were you 230 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:37,639 concerned that these two might face a different set of 231 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:41,879 discipline than mister Newberry. 232 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:43,919 Speaker 2: Like that they wouldn't be removed. 233 00:14:43,919 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: Do you mean, yeah, they wouldn't be fired. They had 234 00:14:46,159 --> 00:14:50,200 been suspended, they had been removed from the classroom. But 235 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:53,759 I know from talking to a number of sources that 236 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,840 the board of trustees at Clemson in the administration had 237 00:14:57,879 --> 00:15:01,720 been hearing from their attorneys saying, don't fire these guys. 238 00:15:01,759 --> 00:15:04,720 This could cause a lot of legal damage for Clemson 239 00:15:04,799 --> 00:15:08,360 because of those academic freedom issues. Were you concerned that 240 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:13,840 they may escape because of what many would consider a 241 00:15:13,919 --> 00:15:20,240 loophole allowing indecency basically to not only survive but thrive. 242 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 2: From my perspective, it seemed a lot less like a 243 00:15:23,879 --> 00:15:26,720 concern and more like likelihood when you see the way 244 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:30,440 that Clemson initially responded brushing it off. Then they had 245 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:34,360 a slightly less dismissive response, and just overall they were 246 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:38,399 continuously weak willed and not decisive in action. To me, 247 00:15:38,519 --> 00:15:40,799 it feels like a very clear redline issue of is 248 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:43,240 this allowing your campus or is it not allowing your campus. 249 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,200 So whenever I saw that they were not immediately and 250 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:50,320 decisively dismissing the employees, to me, at least from my angle, 251 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:52,799 it seemed likely that without heavy pressure they would never 252 00:15:52,799 --> 00:15:56,480 have dismissed these employees, and I think we have to think, obviously, 253 00:15:56,519 --> 00:15:58,919 as Jack said, Freedom Caucus people like Nancy, Mace and 254 00:15:59,639 --> 00:16:02,519 Ralph and so many more people for helping boost this 255 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,320 Because due to the early responses and the texture of 256 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,879 a dialogue that we had with a university staff, I 257 00:16:09,919 --> 00:16:12,600 can say that from my perspective, it really didn't seem 258 00:16:12,639 --> 00:16:14,440 like any action would have been taken if this didn't 259 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:15,200 blow out the way it did. 260 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:22,799 Speaker 5: Gen Z's behavior in the workplace is staggering. The Watchdot 261 00:16:22,879 --> 00:16:25,799 on Wall Street podcast with Chris Markowski every day Chris 262 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:28,639 helps unpack the connection between politics and the economy and 263 00:16:28,639 --> 00:16:31,679 how it affects your wallet. Seventy seven percent of gen 264 00:16:31,799 --> 00:16:34,440 Z admitted to bring a parent to a job interview, 265 00:16:34,639 --> 00:16:37,399 while seventy three percent of parents help them complete their 266 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,639 work assignments. Should this be a sure way to get fired? 267 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:42,720 Whether it's happening in DC or down on Wall Street, 268 00:16:42,759 --> 00:16:43,960 it's affecting you financially. 269 00:16:44,039 --> 00:16:44,559 Speaker 4: Be informed. 270 00:16:44,639 --> 00:16:46,759 Speaker 5: Check out the Watchdot on Wall Street podcast with Chris 271 00:16:46,799 --> 00:16:52,639 Markowski on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. 272 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:58,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, you raise a good point. There was some deafening 273 00:16:58,879 --> 00:17:02,639 silence coming from the administration and certainly from the board 274 00:17:02,639 --> 00:17:11,160 of trustees. You folks at Clemson College Republicans immediately reached 275 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:14,319 out to the people who hold the purse strings in 276 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,799 the state legislature and they got immediately involved. As you 277 00:17:17,839 --> 00:17:21,519 mentioned the Freedom Caucus, the what was it was it 278 00:17:21,599 --> 00:17:23,359 the Ways and Means Committee. It was one of the 279 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:29,920 powerful committees in the South Carolina legislature that said there 280 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:34,640 should be action immediately. If not, you know, there there 281 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:39,000 will be consequences. And there were you know, face made 282 00:17:39,279 --> 00:17:42,039 a social network post out there, post on x from 283 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:45,799 from these members of the legislature saying we can defund 284 00:17:45,839 --> 00:17:50,680 you if you don't make the right decision here. And 285 00:17:50,759 --> 00:17:55,200 the right decision has nothing to do with freedom of speech. 286 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:00,000 You have every right in the world to make public 287 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:04,759 comments that are vile and awful and disgusting to most minds, 288 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:08,599 but that doesn't mean that your job is protected. As 289 00:18:09,079 --> 00:18:12,680 Senator Lindsay Graham noted in all of this as well, 290 00:18:13,319 --> 00:18:16,559 a First Amendment does not extend to stupid things that 291 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:21,960 you say, and with your expectation of keeping your job. 292 00:18:22,039 --> 00:18:24,680 We have found that out over and over again. There's 293 00:18:24,759 --> 00:18:31,160 no protection for that. Interestingly enough, though as much positive 294 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:36,640 as many positives as you both heard and your organization heard, 295 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:42,359 and a lot of people coming together in support of 296 00:18:42,799 --> 00:18:47,200 Charlie Kirk condemning the violence. They were a good number 297 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:55,039 of people on campus who literally danced, literally celebrated the 298 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:57,720 death of Charlie Kirk. Jackson, I'll begin with you on 299 00:18:57,759 --> 00:19:02,599 that front. You and jack both were tabling on campus 300 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:06,039 last Friday when you had an encounter with a young 301 00:19:06,079 --> 00:19:09,039 woman who said some truly awful things. 302 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:11,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually have the letter with me here. I'm 303 00:19:11,799 --> 00:19:13,839 sure I probably can't show it tho because it's pretty profane. 304 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:18,480 But a student handed me a piece of paper that said, 305 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:24,599 f you're homie, He's dead. Rest in PI, S S. 306 00:19:24,839 --> 00:19:27,640 Charlie Kirk. And then it had the quote below about 307 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:32,599 some gun debts being an unfortunate consequence of first or 308 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:37,200 second amend of freedoms. So go ahead, I'm sorry, go 309 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:38,599 ahead continue. 310 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 1: Well, I mean it was just another awful example of 311 00:19:42,759 --> 00:19:45,200 what we've seen so much from the left, which is 312 00:19:45,279 --> 00:19:49,920 just it's horrible and horrifying once again at the same time, 313 00:19:50,079 --> 00:19:54,079 is that they don't like Charlie Kirk's defense of the 314 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:57,960 Second Amendment and Charlie Kirk of course, has been massively 315 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,720 misquoted in the corporate media, so I like to call 316 00:20:01,759 --> 00:20:02,960 them the accomplish media. 317 00:20:03,039 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 4: And on the. 318 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 1: Left, he certainly appalled violence of any kind and spoke 319 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:16,839 out against it, including gun violence. But he talked about 320 00:20:17,079 --> 00:20:21,359 the price that we pay in this country for the 321 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:25,480 critical first principal liberties, the Second Amendment being one of them, 322 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:31,079 as we pay a much steeper price for driving, or 323 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:34,440 for being allowed at a certain age to drink or 324 00:20:34,599 --> 00:20:39,440 in some states do drugs, or you go down the list. 325 00:20:39,599 --> 00:20:42,880 That was his argument. And of course what we've seen 326 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:47,160 I've reported in my colleagues at the Federalists have reported 327 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,640 extensively on these awful things that they're saying, well, he 328 00:20:49,759 --> 00:20:53,799 got what he deserved. One of your professors is saying, karma, 329 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:59,799 jack when you saw this go down, what went through 330 00:20:59,839 --> 00:21:02,400 your mind? Because this, like I said, this is one 331 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:06,160 of myriad examples of that kind of thinking in this country. 332 00:21:08,079 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 3: I was, you know, funny enough, I received the first 333 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,839 half of the video from Jackson while I was sitting 334 00:21:14,839 --> 00:21:19,480 in my American National Government class, and I got up 335 00:21:19,519 --> 00:21:22,200 and I left the glass early, and I ran to 336 00:21:22,319 --> 00:21:25,319 our table, and just as I had gotten there, this 337 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,400 young woman decided to come back, and that was the 338 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,599 time at which she decided to dance in front of 339 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:35,119 us and mock us so brutally, And in the video, 340 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,640 I'm shown basically asking her if she is at all repentant, 341 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:43,880 ideologically or spiritually for mocking a man who dedicated his 342 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,279 life to the First Amendment, who had his neck eviscerated 343 00:21:47,279 --> 00:21:51,599 with a thirty on six. The lack of morals, the 344 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,279 lack of even just moral awareness, lack of consciousness that 345 00:21:55,279 --> 00:21:59,160 these people display when they do these kinds of things 346 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,000 that she displayed when she did what she did, it 347 00:22:02,079 --> 00:22:05,200 is it is truly disturbing in a lot of ways. 348 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,640 And ultimately that's what went through my mind at that time. 349 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,880 It was shock, and it was it was just I 350 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:12,599 was disturbed. 351 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 1: I really was, Jackson. You just captured this moment. That's 352 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,759 what you were trying to do. She is the one 353 00:22:20,839 --> 00:22:23,559 that you know, got to the table and you know 354 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:27,920 and made these very troubling statements. So you asked her 355 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,799 about it, and jack you asked her about it as well. 356 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,000 You put the video out there to show the sort 357 00:22:34,039 --> 00:22:35,839 of stuff that you folks are dealing with. You had 358 00:22:35,839 --> 00:22:38,160 a little backlash from that as I understand it. 359 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean, and just for the clarification of listeners, 360 00:22:41,799 --> 00:22:44,319 because I realized the timeline is probably pretty off. She 361 00:22:44,319 --> 00:22:47,039 had me the paper. I asked her why she felt 362 00:22:47,039 --> 00:22:49,079 the need to share this with me on camera. She 363 00:22:49,079 --> 00:22:50,640 looked into the camera and said that he deserved to 364 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,880 die and he was a terrible person. Then she came 365 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:54,720 back and in the video can be seen dancing and 366 00:22:54,759 --> 00:22:58,200 singing a song about our homie being dead, which is 367 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:02,839 obviously discussing and ridiculous, but I mean almost comedic in 368 00:23:02,839 --> 00:23:07,200 the level of malice. But to me, at least, this 369 00:23:07,279 --> 00:23:10,839 felt more than justified to post because unlike many things 370 00:23:10,839 --> 00:23:12,839 that we've seen where students have come up and in 371 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:14,720 the spur of the moment said, you know what, he 372 00:23:14,799 --> 00:23:17,839 deserves to die, or things that just demonstrate poor control 373 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,960 over you know, impulsive topics. To me, those people, I 374 00:23:22,039 --> 00:23:25,720 respect their anonymity because these are not public statements, these 375 00:23:25,759 --> 00:23:27,319 are spur of the moment conversations. 376 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 4: But she was different. 377 00:23:29,039 --> 00:23:32,079 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm looking at the paper. It's got like highlighter, 378 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,119 it's got like three types of marker on it. I 379 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,640 mean she drew it out and came back and handed 380 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,480 it to me, and then she came back and danced 381 00:23:38,519 --> 00:23:43,000 more while obviously on camera. So to me, I didn't 382 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,319 think anyone would find it ridiculous to post that because 383 00:23:45,319 --> 00:23:48,720 it was just an obvious interaction which clearly to me 384 00:23:48,839 --> 00:23:53,160 qualifies as a public statement. So she uh one of 385 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,319 the ones I put out that video. I first put 386 00:23:56,319 --> 00:23:58,359 it out on Instagram just for people who I know 387 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,279 to see of what we've been having happened, and pretty 388 00:24:01,319 --> 00:24:03,599 quickly I had a lot of support from friends who 389 00:24:03,599 --> 00:24:05,799 are saying, oh my goodness, because I would I've told 390 00:24:05,839 --> 00:24:08,039 them before, like man, people really are happy out here, 391 00:24:08,039 --> 00:24:10,559 and they're like, oh yeah, but it's just a small minority, 392 00:24:10,839 --> 00:24:13,519 and then they see somebody literally dancing and singing about 393 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:18,319 the assassination. But you know, so from there I had 394 00:24:18,519 --> 00:24:21,559 very little pushback. But things change whenever I decided to 395 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,119 put it out on Twitter as an example of the 396 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:25,960 type of climate that we've been seeing down here on 397 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:31,039 campus and the sort of the conversation and the behavior 398 00:24:31,039 --> 00:24:33,920 that has been deemed okay by some of the professors, 399 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,920 which have now fortunately been let go. And once I 400 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:38,559 put it out there is when I started to get 401 00:24:38,559 --> 00:24:43,279 some pushback. I know that there's an anonymous university social media. 402 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,319 I had to delete that pretty quick after I went 403 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,839 up because I was reading some stuff and I was like, wow, 404 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,440 this is crazy, and so many people were just more 405 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:57,519 than willing to throw out false information about me. Later on, 406 00:24:57,559 --> 00:25:00,279 we had to post a screenshot, or we didn't. After 407 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,279 we did, we posted a screenshot where she joined the 408 00:25:03,279 --> 00:25:05,599 Turning Point group chat, which was full of people who 409 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,279 in some cases knew Charlie Kirk and were hurt more 410 00:25:08,279 --> 00:25:11,839 than I ever could have been. And she said more 411 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,400 mocking behavior and called for Trump to be next. 412 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 4: Wow. 413 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: Wow, yeah and stunning, you know, very stunning, And in 414 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,640 fact I want to touch upon that a little bit more. 415 00:25:23,799 --> 00:25:29,079 How we got here and what the last several days 416 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,839 nearly a week in this country have told us informed 417 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:38,920 us about where things stand in America today. Our guests 418 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:43,200 today are Jack Lyle, chairman of the Clemson College Republicans, 419 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:49,000 and Jackson Haberlin, Social chairman of the Clemson College Republicans. 420 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:54,480 They were, in so many ways the driving force of 421 00:25:55,039 --> 00:26:00,400 making sure that the Clemson community in South Carolina, South 422 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:05,960 Carolina lawmakers and the public in general understood the sort 423 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:12,599 of nasty loathsome communications that were going on, very very 424 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:18,319 publicly with leftist professors and staff members of Clemson celebrating, 425 00:26:20,279 --> 00:26:29,240 literally celebrating the death, the cold blooded killing of conservative leader, 426 00:26:29,279 --> 00:26:35,039 conservative icon Charlie Kirk. I think I talked to both 427 00:26:35,039 --> 00:26:39,880 of you about this study that came out in April. 428 00:26:40,839 --> 00:26:44,680 We reported on it at the Federalist and the report 429 00:26:45,599 --> 00:26:50,160 was conducted by the Network of Contagion Research Institute in 430 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:56,079 partnership with Rutgers University's Social Perception Lab, and they have 431 00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:00,359 done extensive research and what they found, among other things, 432 00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:03,319 is deeply troubling, and I think it is a reflection 433 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:07,599 of where we stand today. Fifty five percent of self 434 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:14,079 identified leftists say killing President Donald Trump is justifiable a 435 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:19,400 little bit under that said, the same for assassinating Elon 436 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:25,200 Musk and other conservative leaders. That was in April. It 437 00:27:25,279 --> 00:27:30,559 gave us a sense of where we are today. Unfortunately, 438 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,279 jack let me ask you, as you deal with the 439 00:27:35,319 --> 00:27:40,279 aftermath of this and what you and Jackson have heard 440 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:46,440 from members of the left celebrating Charlie Kirk's assassination, what 441 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,640 do you think about those numbers and where do you 442 00:27:48,759 --> 00:27:53,920 think it suggests we're going, particularly among the younger population 443 00:27:54,039 --> 00:27:54,680 in America. 444 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I'm terribly concerned by that, of course, 445 00:27:59,799 --> 00:28:02,559 to see that the left in this country has become 446 00:28:02,599 --> 00:28:07,400 so radicalized, they've become so isolated, and they've become so violent. 447 00:28:07,599 --> 00:28:10,559 Speaker 4: I mean, they really are. They're they're just terribly. 448 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,880 Speaker 3: Impulsive a lot of time, and they are they're they're 449 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,720 very difficult to deal with and often often times or 450 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,400 often cases, and so I'm not necessarily surprised by that. 451 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,039 I am terribly concerned by that, of course. To know 452 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,720 that they would, on the mass, on the on the 453 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:30,519 majority even condone the assassination of a sitting president, and 454 00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:33,599 then a near majority condone the assassination of one of 455 00:28:33,599 --> 00:28:36,680 the most significant, first of all, leaders of industry of 456 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,680 our time, and second, someone who's so popular among so 457 00:28:40,759 --> 00:28:43,960 many in our country. To know that that ultimately they 458 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,359 do wish to death upon so many that they disagree with, 459 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,440 simply for the sake of disagreeing with them, is it's 460 00:28:49,519 --> 00:28:52,440 terribly concerning to know that essentially they are beginning to 461 00:28:52,519 --> 00:28:55,039 abandon the democratic system on masks. 462 00:28:55,319 --> 00:28:56,319 Speaker 4: It's very concerning. 463 00:28:57,079 --> 00:28:59,319 Speaker 1: But it's it's not only that, and I agree with 464 00:28:59,359 --> 00:29:02,160 you totally, but Jackson, it seems to me that it 465 00:29:02,279 --> 00:29:06,640 is also abandoning or a sense of absolute lost. I mean, 466 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,160 I think about how COVID isolated us so much, and 467 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,880 in this digital world, how we're all so most of 468 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:23,920 us so dependent on communication that isn't real communication, like 469 00:29:24,039 --> 00:29:27,680 the kind of sit down communication that Charlie Kirk advocated for, 470 00:29:27,839 --> 00:29:30,680 like you folks are advocating for on your college campus 471 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:35,160 when you table, I mean, what do you see among 472 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:43,559 your fellow students on Clemson's campus, which is a conservative campus. 473 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:49,400 By the way, Is it cause for alarm Jackson as 474 00:29:49,519 --> 00:29:54,559 you certainly take a look at the violence that is 475 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,039 being reaped from what has been sewed over the last 476 00:29:58,119 --> 00:29:58,880 several years. 477 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 2: I mean, I could say, for me, at least, I 478 00:30:02,039 --> 00:30:04,480 think it's a big cause for an alarm. But I 479 00:30:04,559 --> 00:30:07,799 think more than that, it's an opportunity for normal conservatives 480 00:30:07,799 --> 00:30:10,839 to make their position known. I know, at least for me, 481 00:30:11,599 --> 00:30:15,319 in the wake of posting this and getting some pushback, 482 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,279 I've had many people advise me and say, you know, 483 00:30:17,599 --> 00:30:20,599 this is really could impact your career, This could impact 484 00:30:20,599 --> 00:30:23,119 how people see you speaking on this. But I think 485 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,599 that me and any principled individual should understand that this 486 00:30:26,759 --> 00:30:28,440 is a hill you should be willing to die on 487 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,079 if you have to lose career or lose jobs over 488 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:36,759 saying that you shouldn't publicly assassinate a Christian and just 489 00:30:36,799 --> 00:30:40,880 a conservative who was not a radical conservative pushing for 490 00:30:41,759 --> 00:30:44,000 a great radical change in this country. He was a 491 00:30:44,079 --> 00:30:50,279 regular conservative. If that response is publicly condemned, then you 492 00:30:50,279 --> 00:30:53,240 should be willing to be condemned. And I know, at 493 00:30:53,279 --> 00:30:55,000 least for me, the only way that I see this 494 00:30:55,079 --> 00:31:00,039 trend stopping and people straying from this is when this 495 00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:05,799 is fully ideologically isolated. This can't be seen as just 496 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,279 one opinion in our spectrum of belief. This needs to 497 00:31:08,279 --> 00:31:10,640 be a clear line, both for people on the right 498 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,799 and on the left. If your solution to discourse is 499 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,039 direct violence, then I think it's important that everyone understands 500 00:31:17,039 --> 00:31:20,119 that is outside of the discourse. That's not about your 501 00:31:20,519 --> 00:31:23,920 opinion you're having, and that's not you know, States rights 502 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,319 versus federal rights. So that's not any historical dispute in 503 00:31:27,319 --> 00:31:32,359 an American government. That is a denial of the ability 504 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,319 to have dispute in American government. And so I know, 505 00:31:35,319 --> 00:31:37,640 at least for me, the trend is scary and the 506 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:42,400 trend is bothersome. But for me, there's nothing left to 507 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,119 be decided on it. This is where I draw the line, 508 00:31:45,119 --> 00:31:47,559 and this is where I think many Americans are drawing 509 00:31:47,599 --> 00:31:48,079 the line. 510 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,359 Speaker 1: And clearly both you and Jack prove that over and 511 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,480 over again over the last several days. Your turn of 512 00:31:54,519 --> 00:31:59,039 phrase is interesting to me because it has been an expression, 513 00:31:59,119 --> 00:32:02,519 I will die on this hill when it comes to 514 00:32:02,599 --> 00:32:07,960 my beliefs, my support for policies in the political arena, 515 00:32:08,079 --> 00:32:11,480 or so many different ways. That expression has become in 516 00:32:11,519 --> 00:32:16,920 some ways, pat it has four Conservatives, now become a 517 00:32:17,319 --> 00:32:23,400 real statement, a literal statement. Charlie Kirk died on the 518 00:32:23,559 --> 00:32:29,440 hill of his faith and his belief in the exceptionalism 519 00:32:29,599 --> 00:32:34,720 of this republic and its foundational values. You told me yesterday, Jackson, 520 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:41,119 and I thought this was a very important comment. You 521 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:46,839 said that Charlie Kirk's death impacted you on a personal 522 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,200 level like it has. I think so many conservatives because 523 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:54,720 you said, down deep, I'm thinking, if they think Kirk 524 00:32:54,839 --> 00:32:59,680 deserves to die, I'm a conservative, do I deserve to die? 525 00:33:00,079 --> 00:33:04,640 I mean? Are those the thoughts running through your minds 526 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,319 this week? After all we've seen, after all you have seen. 527 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 2: I know for me it definitely is the campaign that 528 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,319 we were initially going to primarily focus on before the 529 00:33:17,359 --> 00:33:21,279 professor information came out, we obviously prioritize that is do 530 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,640 we deserve death? That's the idea, you know, because I'm 531 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,559 a conservative like Charlie Kirk, I'm a Christian like Charlie Kirk, 532 00:33:28,079 --> 00:33:30,799 and from what I'm seeing, these hur really the only 533 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,519 two big damning claims that earned him the death penalty 534 00:33:34,519 --> 00:33:37,799 according to some people. So I know, for me at least, 535 00:33:37,799 --> 00:33:40,920 it is a scary thing in some ways, it's bothersome, 536 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:46,319 but it's something that's on my mind and almost a 537 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,559 motivating way that if this is the outcome that some 538 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,559 people see fit for you, then that is your motivation 539 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,160 to fight and to push harder and to keep going. 540 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,680 Because it's not a game anymore. It's not too many people, 541 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,599 and to assuming that study's accurate to fifty five percent 542 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,960 of the population, this isn't a game of ideology versus ideology, 543 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,199 and you know who can win the Democratic debate or 544 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,880 you know, the presidential debates coming up. This is an 545 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:18,400 idea of true life and death for many people, and 546 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,159 it's something that for me at least is serving as 547 00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:24,360 great motivation this time, and that that message keeps popping 548 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,320 up in my head has more reason to keep fighting 549 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,039 and keep speaking out because already what I've said, just 550 00:34:30,039 --> 00:34:33,159 being a conservative is already a death warrant, So why 551 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:33,800 stop there. 552 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,719 Speaker 1: That's sad to me, because you're right, it has now 553 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:45,440 become civilization versus absolute anarchy. That's unfortunately about where we 554 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,119 are with this kind of mentality. And you're an eighteen 555 00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:52,039 year old young man. You shouldn't have to think about 556 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:56,079 death sentences. You should think about all of the things 557 00:34:56,119 --> 00:34:59,840 that life has to offer. Jack you're not much older, 558 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,599 but you have been around the Clemson campus for a 559 00:35:02,639 --> 00:35:05,559 few more years. You're a junior poly sci major. What 560 00:35:05,559 --> 00:35:08,679 do you think about your chosen profession and how dangerous 561 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:14,199 it has become for just in general in politics, but 562 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,079 especially for conservatives in politics. 563 00:35:19,159 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, at the end of the day, I 564 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,960 see the thread against myself and Jackson and so many 565 00:35:24,039 --> 00:35:29,760 of our good friends and those around our community, as actually. 566 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,199 Speaker 4: As motivation in a lot of ways. 567 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,199 Speaker 3: I see first and foremost that just the day before 568 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,480 Charlie's assassination, we were out at the very same spot 569 00:35:39,519 --> 00:35:42,280 that we've been tabling for so long now. We had 570 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:46,480 a sign that read concealed carry on campus, Yes or no, 571 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,480 And we got about one hundred and ten yes votes 572 00:35:49,519 --> 00:35:52,079 in about forty no. And I tell you right now, 573 00:35:52,159 --> 00:35:53,800 I really wish that we were able to carry on 574 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,119 campus because we do. We have so many who are 575 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:01,599 so violent, who are so rhetoric driven by their isolation, 576 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,480 by their ideology, and by their disillusion with not only 577 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,840 our country but with really reality on the left where 578 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,320 now I mean, you know, Jackson has expressed to me 579 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,239 a number of times that he really does feel. 580 00:36:14,039 --> 00:36:16,719 Speaker 4: As though it is unsafe for us to table. 581 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,320 Speaker 3: It's unsafe for really any of us to be recognized publicly, 582 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,480 because in the event that we were, if one of 583 00:36:22,519 --> 00:36:27,960 these people who is so isolated, impulsive, deranged decides to 584 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,840 take action against us, we are left defenseless for the 585 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:35,239 most part by the university's policies, by the state's policies 586 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,840 to disarm us when we are on campus or on 587 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,320 associated properties. And so for that to be the case, 588 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,119 that's one of our big next steps moving forward is 589 00:36:44,119 --> 00:36:46,280 we're going to be really advocating for campus scary. 590 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:47,840 Speaker 4: We're going to be really advocating for the. 591 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:52,320 Speaker 3: Ability of conservatives, of decent, normal people who are willing 592 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,320 to condemn political violence, to be able to defend themselves 593 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,599 using the tools that are made readily available to them 594 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,480 and the right for which is guaranteed to them by 595 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:01,440 the US Constitution. 596 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:07,480 Speaker 1: That's an important point in such an important protection in liberty. Obviously, 597 00:37:08,199 --> 00:37:12,079 that's what we've been talking about, for better or worse, 598 00:37:12,159 --> 00:37:15,440 over the last several days in this country, and what 599 00:37:16,039 --> 00:37:21,119 the deranged left feels about that issue and what is 600 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:25,000 justice in their minds now, jack you had told me, 601 00:37:25,039 --> 00:37:26,559 and I think this is important. I want to make 602 00:37:26,599 --> 00:37:30,079 sure that we talk about this in our conversation. You 603 00:37:30,119 --> 00:37:32,719 had told me when when, when we were talking yesterday, 604 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,039 that it may come across as you and Jackson and 605 00:37:37,079 --> 00:37:41,519 others in the Clemson College Republicans that you know, you're 606 00:37:41,679 --> 00:37:47,800 bashing your university, you know you're you are you know, 607 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:52,599 at war with the administration. And you said that simply 608 00:37:52,679 --> 00:37:54,679 is not the case. You told me how much you 609 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,360 love this university, how much you respect and how much 610 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:02,519 you wanted to go to this university. And I think 611 00:38:02,599 --> 00:38:05,599 that is exactly at the center of what we are 612 00:38:05,639 --> 00:38:10,559 talking about today. You can love something or someone but 613 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:15,239 still see the flaws in that something or someone and 614 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,079 I think that's what you were trying to bring to 615 00:38:18,159 --> 00:38:21,480 the attention of the public at Clemson University. Am I 616 00:38:21,559 --> 00:38:24,679 am I correct in saying so absolutely? 617 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:25,639 Speaker 4: Yeah. 618 00:38:25,639 --> 00:38:27,960 Speaker 3: So the line that I've run and so hard these 619 00:38:28,039 --> 00:38:31,239 last few days is that and I and my members 620 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:35,440 love Clemson University enough to advocate for it, enough to fight. 621 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,039 Speaker 4: For what's right within it. Now. 622 00:38:37,039 --> 00:38:38,920 Speaker 3: If we did not love Clemson, we would have just 623 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,199 turned tail and run when we heard these things. I 624 00:38:41,199 --> 00:38:43,039 would have just said, you know what, I'll go somewhere 625 00:38:43,079 --> 00:38:46,079 where these people aren't. But because I want to be here, 626 00:38:46,159 --> 00:38:49,039 because I love Clemson so much, I want to be 627 00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:51,280 on this campus, and I want to feel safe here. 628 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,280 I want to feel as though I am welcome here. 629 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,880 I want to feel as though my ideology is not necessarily, 630 00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,320 as Jackson put it, a death warrant on this campus. 631 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,920 And so I'm very encouraged to see that again today. 632 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,039 This morning, the university put out a statement to declaring 633 00:39:06,039 --> 00:39:08,159 that they have dismissed the other two individuals who are 634 00:39:08,199 --> 00:39:11,519 involved in these investigations. And then just this afternoon at 635 00:39:11,519 --> 00:39:13,320 twelve thirty, I was able to sit down and had 636 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,559 the opportunity to sit down and have lunch with a 637 00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:18,559 member of administration and talk through so much of what's 638 00:39:18,599 --> 00:39:21,039 gone on this last week, and talk through what the 639 00:39:21,079 --> 00:39:24,440 future looks like. And I have to say I'm very, 640 00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:28,000 very encouraged by that conversation, by how things went, really 641 00:39:28,039 --> 00:39:31,440 throughout this entire process, dealing directly with members of administration, 642 00:39:32,159 --> 00:39:35,239 And again, I just want to say, I love Glenson 643 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:36,360 so much, I really do. 644 00:39:37,119 --> 00:39:40,519 Speaker 1: This is what I find particularly encouraging. What you both 645 00:39:40,559 --> 00:39:44,920 told me yesterday was in such darkness as we are 646 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:49,440 experiencing over the last several days in this country, the 647 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:58,960 shining bright light beaming down is that the Clemson College 648 00:39:59,039 --> 00:40:05,960 Republicans and Turning Point USA it's chapter on Clemson University, 649 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,639 which is one of the largest chapters in the country, 650 00:40:09,079 --> 00:40:15,280 has seen explosive interest in either people joining or actually 651 00:40:15,559 --> 00:40:22,760 becoming members. Jackson, what are the numbers today that you're seeing? Again, 652 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,719 my understanding is that these are some pretty significant numbers 653 00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,800 of people who want to be involved in the conservative movement. 654 00:40:31,199 --> 00:40:34,039 Speaker 2: I mean, it's hard to keep count. I know that 655 00:40:34,079 --> 00:40:34,840 we're over one hundred. 656 00:40:35,519 --> 00:40:38,280 Speaker 3: Jack Do you have a specific number, yeah, I do, 657 00:40:38,519 --> 00:40:43,360 so to give reference in the last five days, specifically 658 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,960 since last Wednesday, we have gained forty seven new members 659 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:48,719 here at the Clemson College Republicans. 660 00:40:49,079 --> 00:40:51,079 Speaker 4: Now, I can't give as specific. 661 00:40:50,599 --> 00:40:54,039 Speaker 3: A number for our Turning Point chapter, but Charlie Klant's 662 00:40:54,079 --> 00:40:57,280 the president down here of Turning Point USA's chapter at Clemson. 663 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,760 He said that more than four hundred people joined their 664 00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,320 group me and that they had gained more than one 665 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,320 hundred new members through our registration system, which is called 666 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,679 Tiger Request. So presumably have somewhere in the neighborhood of 667 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,599 four to five hundred new individuals who are looking to 668 00:41:12,599 --> 00:41:13,519 get involved with them. 669 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,480 Speaker 4: Are really encouraged to see that. 670 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:21,920 Speaker 1: That is amazing. With that in mind, Jackson, what do 671 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:26,199 you think Charlie Kirk would think of your efforts over 672 00:41:26,199 --> 00:41:27,039 the last week. 673 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,719 Speaker 2: That's a big ask. I mean, I think what I'm 674 00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:33,760 doing is in line with his vision, and that's kind 675 00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,280 of what I've thought over and over again. I know 676 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:40,280 when I was the night of his death, we all 677 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,039 went out to dinner and we were all talking about, 678 00:41:42,079 --> 00:41:43,679 like what do we do because it was a very 679 00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:47,639 big like TPUSA didn't know what to do, our other 680 00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:49,960 organizations didn't know what to do. It was a big shock. 681 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,239 And I know when I talked to Jack. What I 682 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,119 kept saying is I think that we should be tabling tomorrow. 683 00:41:54,199 --> 00:41:58,920 That's what Charliekirk would have done. And I think repeatedly 684 00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,079 throughout this process myself, what would the Lord want me 685 00:42:02,079 --> 00:42:03,880 to do and what would Charlie Kirk do in the scenario. 686 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:09,519 And I've been in that I found that those two 687 00:42:09,599 --> 00:42:12,960 goals are very often in line. So I think that 688 00:42:13,039 --> 00:42:15,519 what I've done has honored his vision. I know that's 689 00:42:15,559 --> 00:42:18,800 my purpose with all of this action. That's the reason 690 00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,360 why I'm trying to do it is to keep that 691 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,400 alive because that is a big hole that he has 692 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,239 left that. I think it's up for young conservatives that 693 00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,000 were like him when he first got started to fill 694 00:42:28,079 --> 00:42:31,119 that hole. And I know that I have bigger plans. 695 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,159 I'm in talks of starting an organization that will in 696 00:42:34,199 --> 00:42:39,840 some ways carry alive that mentality, and I think it's 697 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,559 a I think he'd be proud of what we're doing here. 698 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:48,239 Speaker 4: Good for you. 699 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:52,039 Speaker 1: It's a free speech organization that's you're interested on campus? 700 00:42:52,039 --> 00:42:53,000 Am I correct in saying? 701 00:42:53,079 --> 00:42:56,960 Speaker 2: So? Yeah, the small details are still being decided, but 702 00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:01,000 I'm interested in trying to promote free discourse on campus 703 00:43:01,039 --> 00:43:03,760 in a balanced way that help students get involved. 704 00:43:04,679 --> 00:43:07,480 Speaker 1: So, then Jack, I ask you the same thing. You know, 705 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:12,719 you didn't exactly know what you wanted to do the 706 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:17,360 night of the assassination of Charlie Kirk. You knew what 707 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:21,039 you had to do. Now moving forward, Jack, what would 708 00:43:21,119 --> 00:43:24,360 you like to do? What do you want to do? 709 00:43:24,559 --> 00:43:28,440 What do you have to do in terms of your 710 00:43:28,639 --> 00:43:30,840 career path and your life path? 711 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, so first things first is we're going to 712 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:36,840 keep the gas pedal down here on campus. We're going 713 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,039 to keep standing for what we believe in. We're going 714 00:43:39,039 --> 00:43:41,480 to keep standing for ultimately what's right. We're going to 715 00:43:41,519 --> 00:43:43,440 keep spreading the message of the Gospel. We're going to 716 00:43:43,519 --> 00:43:47,119 keep standing for conservative values. And then moving beyond that, 717 00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:48,800 we're going to work with as many as we can 718 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:50,800 in government. We're going to work as many with as 719 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,000 many as we can, and in special interest groups and 720 00:43:53,039 --> 00:43:55,159 in the media to make sure that that we bring 721 00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,280 back sanity, that we bring back decency, that we bring 722 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,599 back peaceful discourse to the country and to those who 723 00:44:01,639 --> 00:44:02,280 stand for it. 724 00:44:03,679 --> 00:44:07,400 Speaker 1: Well, I want to tell you, as I talked about before, 725 00:44:07,519 --> 00:44:10,519 the darkness in this country in the last several days 726 00:44:10,559 --> 00:44:15,239 has been intense, but the darker things are the brighter, 727 00:44:15,639 --> 00:44:20,239 the true light shine. You two are among that prism 728 00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,280 of light that we are seeing. It gives I think 729 00:44:23,639 --> 00:44:25,599 so many of us so much hope, not just for 730 00:44:25,639 --> 00:44:31,239 the conservative movement, but for this country, this exceptional republic 731 00:44:31,639 --> 00:44:35,159 in general. Thanks for all that you're doing and keep 732 00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:36,480 up the good work. 733 00:44:38,679 --> 00:44:41,800 Speaker 3: Absolutely, yes, sir, thank you, mister Carrol, really appreciate it. 734 00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,719 Speaker 2: Thank you very much that sentiment. It's very meaningful to me. 735 00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,960 Speaker 1: We appreciate both of you and the good work you're doing. 736 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,199 Thanks to my guest today, Jack Lyle, Chairman of the 737 00:44:51,199 --> 00:44:56,360 Clemson College Republicans, and Jackson Haberlin, Social chairman of the 738 00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,719 Clemson College Republicans, you've been listening to another edition of 739 00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:03,400 the Realist Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle, Senior elections correspondent 740 00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:07,360 at the Federalist. We'll be back soon with more. Until then, 741 00:45:07,559 --> 00:45:30,800 stay lovers of freedom and anxious for the fray.