Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the program. So,
Jeffrey Epstein was in possession of a fake Saudi Arabian
passport when he was arrested, and the questions were swirling
at the time about what he was doing with this passport.
And I was always under the impression that he was
friendly with the ruling family NBS and the rest of
the royals. It makes sense that a billionaire like Jeffrey
Epstein would be Robin Shoulders with these guys.
Speaker 2: But still, after all of these.
Speaker 1: Years, we don't have any real concrete answers about his
relationship with the royal family of Saudi Arabia or other
people in that country. So today we're hopping back in
the time machine, going back to twenty nineteen, and we're
going to talk about why Jeffrey Epstein was in Riod
on the eve of the twenty and sixteen election. This
article was published by Insider and it was first published
on September nineteenth, twenty nineteen, headline why Jeffrey Epstein's private
jet flight to Riod on the eve of the two
thousand and sixteen election. Man, there are so many questions
surrounding Jeffrey Epstein in his relationships, and as far as
why he was in Saudi Arabia, it could be a multitude.
Speaker 2: Of reasons, a multitude of reasons.
Speaker 1: My guess is some kind of business deal he was
engaging in with the royal family, some sort of grift
he was engaging in, I should say. In August, Insider
reported that Jeffrey Epstein's private jet was spotted over the
Arabian Peninsula on the eve of election Day twenty sixteen.
The available flight data was incomplete, however, leaving the Gulf
stream's final destination an open question. Now we have the answer.
According to the journalist Eric Rosenwaldt, who analyzed aviation data
collected by the flight tracking service Planefinder, Epstein's jet landed
at King Khalid International Airport in Riod, and largest city
of Saudi Arabia, at six thirty five pm local time
on November seventh, twenty sixteen. The flight pattern provides significant
new evidence of Epstein's rumored ties to the kingdom and
its ruling family. There has been a lot of rumor
surrounding Jeffrey Epstein having a relationship with Bin Tallal, who,
up until NBS came into power, was one of the
most rich men in the world. Right, this guy was
out here, owned a bunch of twitter own this that
the other thing NBS comes into power and arrests them
and takes a bunch of his dough. So not as
much the richest man in the world anymore, or even
amongst them, but there's a lot of talk that him
and Epstein had a lot of ties. Insider discovered the
flight from Paris to the Arabian Peninsula in a data
set maintained by ads dash B Exchange, a crowdsource website
that aggregates aviation signals from all over the world. ADSB
refers to the protocols technical name Automatic Dependent Surveillance Broadcast,
so you can track these different planes and flights and
where they're going and all this other stuff with today's technology.
And that's what they did here to try and figure
out what Epstein was up to. Rosenwald filled the gaps
in the ADSB, mainly over the Arabian Peninsula by combining
them with the plane finder's own data. For about six months,
I got a notification every time that this plane was
spotted in planefinders system, and I knew it was in Riot.
On election day, Rosenwald told Insider, I didn't know what
to do with it, and I don't know if there's
any significance to it being there on election day per se.
I think from my perspective, what I take from it
is just the fact that Epstein had such close ties
to the Saudi ruling family. It tells you everything you
need to know about Epstein and his reas. When you're
breaking bread with people like that, you know you're breaking
bread with the most powerful, influential people in the world.
Epstein's jet in Riod at the same time as Crown
Prince Mohammed ben Salomon. There isn't enough information to precisely
reconstruct the forty eight hours Epstein's jets bent in Riod,
and Rosenwald's data doesn't show whether Epstein was a passenger
on either leg of the flight. Such information likely turned
up in recent subpoena issued to Epstein's pilots, but has
not yet been made public. Still, it is reasonable to
suppose that Epstein was flying aboard his own private jet. Well,
why else would it be going to Saudi Arabia Going
over there for a quick day trip. Get the pilots
some experience highly doubt it two people of note were
in riod at roughly the same time. The first person
is crowned Prince Mohammed bin Salman Been abdul Aziz, who
at the time served as the kingdom's Minister of Defense
and second deputy Prime Minister. On November eighth, the state
owned Saudi Press Agency reported that Ben Salmon, also known
as NBS and his father, the Saudi King Besto Chairman
of the Joint Chief Staff, Joseph F. Dunfer Junior, with
the order of King abdul Aziz a civilian award for
distinguished service service to Saudi Arabia. So a bunch of
hubbub for you know, like a civil service award, and
the Kingdom gave it to an American military man for
his service as far as the protection of the kingdom.
You know, that's why America was invited to Saudi Arabia
in the first place. Up until that point, the thought
of an Infidel on Saudi land was absurd, and an
American base in Saudi Arabia, yeah right, Well, the First
War with Iraq changed all of that, and ever since then,
obviously America has had a huge presence in Saudi Arabia.
The second person is Jeff Bezos, the billionaire co founder
and CEO of Amazon. On November ninth, the dea Epstein's
jet return to PARISNBS held an unrelated meeting with Bezos,
several Amazon executives and two Saudi ministers. The Saudi Press
Agency said they discuss fields of cooperation and investment opportunities
available according to the Kingdom's Vision twenty thirty, the Crown
Prince's signature economic initiative. Now, just in a nutshell, the
twenty thirty vision is Saudi Arabia moving away from being
oil dependent, and they want to get more into the
world of tourism, more into the world of technology, and
this twenty thirty vision is NBS's plan to get them there.
And obviously, if you have investment opportunity, why not have
Jeff Bezos there? And of course, well why not Jeffrey
Epstein Because of the person. Timing of the NBS meeting
is uncertain. I cannot determine whether Epstein's jet and Besos
were in riod at precisely the same time. The Saudi
press agencies that it took place on November ninth, but
not at which hour. Yet an overlap seems far more
likely than not. A direct flight from Seattle to Riod
takes about fourteen hours and thirty minutes. And if you
in a small group of your close colleagues, all based
in Seattle, planned to meet a dignitary in Riad on
a Wednesday, you would likely schedule the flight there for
Monday or Tuesday. Now, look, I'm not saying that he
was meeting with Besos while he was there. I don't
know that for a fact. But we know that he
has met with Bezos. We know that Maxwell was still
being invited to Bezos' stupid little adventures. So the dog
definitely hunts. Epstein claimed to be longtime friends with NBS,
the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia. Last year, Epstein told
the New York Times Reporter that he personally knew and
routinely played host to NBS. The same reporter encountered a
full length portrait of the Saudi Arabian Prince on a
wall in Epstein's New York City mansion, and Besos has
broken bread with Epstein at least twice, in two thousand
and four and again in twenty eleven at the so
called Billionaire's Dinner hosted by the Edge Foundation. Now, why
would Epstein be invited to that or Bezos even go
to anything with Epstein after he was a convicted sex offender.
You need to ask yourself that question and really ask
yourself why all of these people thought it would be okay.
One noteworthy attribute that Epstein and his apparent friend Mbs
Schaer is a history of being accused of blackmail. In January,
besos chief of security, accused the Saudi Kingdom of gaining
unauthorized access to bezos personal messages and photos. According to
The Daily Beast, the Saudi's planned to blackmail Besos, who
purchased The Washington Post in two thousand and thirteen as
punishment for its papers aggressive coverage of their own columnist
Jamal Kashogi, whom Saudi agents assassinated in Istanbul last year.
Certainly well within the purview of NBS and the Saudi
Special Services. These guys are smarmy, but remember they learned
from the best the CIA. The Saudis denied the blackmail operation,
and others blamed the brothers of Bezos's girlfriend for obtaining
and selling their correspondence to The National Inquirer, whose publisher
American Media Incorporated has its own murky ties to Saudi Arabia,
but the allegations closely match. A certain threat of speculation
about the source of Epstein's Titanic wealth. His cases laden
with indications, some more obvious than others, that he engaged
or attempted to engage in high stakes blackmail. Well, no shit,
it was all about compromont and when he was providing
girls for these men, it was about getting information from them.
And that fits right in with what the Saudis were
up to, right, So talk about perfect bedfellows. And then
you add in the fact that Epstein had that Saudi passport,
and it certainly looks like Epstein had some pretty deep
ties to Saudi Arabia and some pretty deep friendships built
within the monarchy. Did Epstein encounter NBS or Bezos and Riod?
These circumstances raise an obvious question. If Epstein was indeed
in the Saudi capitol, did he meet with MBS or
Bezos on November seventh, eighth, or ninth of twenty sixteen?
Good question?
Speaker 2: Did he?
Speaker 1: Of course, we'll never get a real answer here, but
it's a good question. Insider asked Amazon the Saudi government
and Epstein's estate whether any of the men cross paths
in Riod. We also asked the Saudis and the estate
if Epstein and NBS personally knew each other. A spokesperson
for Amazon declined to answer detailed questions sent via email.
Speaker 2: Of course not.
Speaker 1: They'll never answer unless they think that it will give
them a little buzz, right. Oh yeah, we'll answer a
question that'll give us some shine, But we'll just ignore
questions about Jeff Bezos and Glenn Maxwell, his relationship with
Epstein and what he was doing with Epstein. An unnamed
spokesperson for the Center for International Communication, a state owned
agency that coordinates media coverage of the Saudi government, said
they would pass our questions to the proper entities. We
did not receive a response by press time, and I
don't even know what that means.
Speaker 2: Proper entities. You mean, it's just gonna get.
Speaker 1: Killed on the vine over there in Saudi Arabia, right
by the government. You see, the government of Saudi Arabia.
They don't play games, folks. It's not like these other
governments out here. They'll snatch you right off the street
and that'll be the end of it. Epstein's attorney, Red Winingarten,
did not acknowledge requests for comment. The flight to Riod
is the latest piece of evidence concerning Epstein's connections to
Saudi Arabia. The trip to Riod offers some of the
most significant evidence to date of Epstein's ties to the
Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, a relationship that could propel further
speculation about his potential role in the world of intelligence.
Can somebody answer how he has all of these ties,
all of these passports, all of this other stuff. Can
somebody please answer that question. Former US Attorney Alexandra Acosta
reportedly told members of the Trump administration that he declined
to press federal sex trafficking charges against Epstein after being
told it's unclear by whom that Epstein belonged to intelligence,
and to leave it alone. My guess is that offer
came from high, the Mukasey's of the world. And it's
amazing that nobody likes to bring up Mukesy. Whenever I
hear people talk about this case and they just bring
up Acosta, it makes my eyes glaze over because I
realize they have no grasp on what.
Speaker 2: Really went on.
Speaker 1: That is only a surface level understanding of how the
Justice Department works. Acosta has mocked coverage of these remarks,
which were first reported by Vicky Ward of The Daily Beast,
but has never denied making them. He did, however, resign
as the Secretary of Labor over his handling of the
Epstein case. So making mockery of things, joking about things,
that's one thing, but he's never denied it. And let's
remember he's the one who originally made the statement. So
to backtrack now on a walk it back, it just
makes it look like somebody got to you. After his
arrest in July, prosecutors revealed that Epstein possessed a counterfeit
Austrian passport bearing Epstein's photo but a different name, whose
stamp show traveled to and from Saudi Arabia along with France, Spain,
the United Kingdom. The passport listed Epstein's residence as Saudi
Arabia too, and they said that Epstein got these passports
because it was at a time when you know, Palo
Studians were hijacking planes and taking Jewish hostages. Give me
an effin break. Shortly after Epstein's death in August, a
friend and attorney for Glenn Maxwell, his longtime companion and
accused co conspirator, child sex abuser, fellow abuser, fellow scumbag,
you know, bipedal serpent stage the photograph of Maxwell reading
the Book of Honor the Secret Lives and Deaths of
CIA operatives at a Los Angeles in and out burger.
So we always forget about that, We don't talk about that.
But why was that picture posted? What were they pointing to?
And late last week, journalist Edward J. Epstein recounted in
April twenty thirteen, meeting with the financier Pedophile, who was
unrelated at his Upper East Side mansion. In the ante room,
I had seen photos of Epstein with Saudi Prince Mohammed
Ben Solomon and Emirate Prince Mohammed bin Zayed, some in beachwater,
and with Snorkel Gear. I asked, are these clients in
the Middle East? He answered that somewhere, and in that
he was planning to buy a house in Riot since
that was becoming the new center of international finance. Now,
I don't know why anyone would be shocked to see
Epstein hanging out with these dudes.
Speaker 2: These guys are right in his you know, worldview.
Speaker 1: We've all heard the disgusting stories about what happens with
royalty in this part of the world, in these these
Instagram models that go there. I'm not going to get
into the details, but man, it's a pretty gross environment.
So Epstein would feel right at home here. We asked
several Emarati agencies whether Mohammed bin Zayed, the Crown Prince
of Abu Dhabi, was friends with or had connections to
Jeffrey Epstein. None of those agencies, including the UAE Embassy
in Washington, acknowledged our request for comment. Well that's a chakhan.
Speaker 2: What do you know.
Speaker 1: They don't want to talk about their crown prince's relationship
with Jeffrey Epstein. But look, there's obviously something here. You
don't just get a passport, you don't just get the
access to Saudi Arabia for nothing. So the question is
what was that access for and how did he come
across that passport. We're gonna keep digging, folks, and until
we get to the bottom of it. You can guarantee
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welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. In this look back episode,
we're going to talk about Jeffrey Epstein and the fake
Saudi Arabian passport. Now, how does a man get his
hands on a fake passport, and not only that, but
a fake passport to Saudi Arabia. Now it's one thing
to have it in your possession, right, It's a whole
different story to actually use this passport to gain entrance
into the country. Now, obviously we know that there's corruption
in Saudi Arabia like everywhere else. But my question is
where is the robust investigation into Jeffrey Epstein and his
ties to Saudi Arabia. In this article today from NBC News,
we're going to talk about this foreign passport and how
Jeffrey Epstein used it to get into Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 2: This article was.
Speaker 1: Authored by Tom Winter and Rich Shapiro. Headline, Jeffrey Epstein
used foreign passport with fake name to enter Saudi Arabia.
Jeffrey Epstein used a foreign passport with a fake name
to enter several countries in the nineteen eighties, including the
United Kingdom, Spain, and Saudi Arabia. Federal prosecutors set on Wednesday.
You know, imagine having the access that this has already
and then saying to yourself, well, on top of that,
I'm gonna need me a fake Saudi passport to go
along with all of this so I can make my
moves around the world, eh, without anyone being the wiser.
The real question is where the hell did this guy
get the passport? Who hooked him up? Who was his contact?
We know this just doesn't happen in a vacuum, and
we know that it doesn't just you know, one day,
pop up in the mail, Oh you won the serial giveaway.
Here's your passport. Tomorrow you get your decoder ring. We
know that none of that happened, So can we get
a real investigation please digging into this stuff. But of
course we won't. I think the ship has sailed, folks. Unfortunately,
when we look back in hindsight, they had a real
chance to really go after these people a real chance
to do something good for once, But did they They
sure didn't. Instead we got what we got. We got
Jeffrey Epstein who dies in custody. We got Maxwell sitting
in a jail cell, which is great, But she didn't
spill any names. So we're basically at the very beginning
when it comes to finding out answers and getting to
the bottom of the mysteries surrounding Jeffrey Epstein and how
he was able to facilitate all of these incredibly hard
to get things such as an Austrian passport and a
passport from Saudi Arabia. The questionable travel document was found
inside a safe along with seventy thousand dollars in cash
and forty eight lose diamonds in the New York City
home of the wealthy financier and sex trafficker. It contained
a photo of Epstein with a different name and listed
his place of residence as Saudi Arabia. According to prosecutors, Now,
why in the world would Jeffrey Epstein want to say
he's from Saudi Arabia. Well, his lawyer goes on here
in a second to give us an explanation of why
Epstein had this passport. But I mean, come on, if
you or I were found with a fake passport, pretty
sure we'd be in gigantic trouble. But Jeffrey Epstein just
part of the other crimes that we won't look at.
We'll just arrest them for this crime, and then we
won't look at these other ones, especially anything that's financial.
Epstein's lawyers filed court papers Tuesday, claiming he obtained the
Austrian passport in nineteen eighty two for personal protection to
be presented to potential kidnappers, hijackers or terrorists. The lawyers
said Epstein's Jewish faith and substantial wealth made him a
target while traveling in the Middle East. Wow, these people
have no shame, right, so every person who is of
Jewish faith should have themselves a fake passport? Is that
what you're trying to say here? How honestly, how can
a court even take that seriously? If I was the
judge and somebody turned that kind of nonsense into me,
it would be like you know, when you turn in
a bunk paper to your teacher, they take one look
at it and hand it back to you. That's how
it would be for me if it was If I
was the judge here, you're gonna have me this bullshit?
What are you crazy? Nobody believes you, bro. There's no
way that you got that fake passport because you were
worried about hijackings and terrorism. Give me a break already,
But Wednesday, prosecutors did just that. In fact, the passport
contains numerous ingress and egress stamps, including stamps that reflect
use of the passport to enter France, Spain, the United Kingdom,
and Saudi Arabia in the nineteen eighties. So we're not
talking about a knockoff passport here that you got down
at the swap meet. Okay, Jeffrey Epstein got this passport
from somebody who knows what they're doing, somebody who knows
how to make these sorts of things. Somebody knows how
to make these things at work. And my guess is
it was done with actual material from the passport people,
wherever the hell you get that from the Secret Service
or wherever administers that over in Saudi Arabia, whoever they are,
So my guess is that's where Epstein got that from.
Prosecutors added that Epstein's lawyers have yet to explain some
of the basic questions concerning the passport, including how he
obtained it and whether he is a citizen of another country. Now,
during the belfaze for Jeffrey Epstein, that was very important, right,
They were trying to figure out if he was a
threat to run, a threat to go somewhere, and if
you're a citizen of another country or you have a
passport from another country, makes it a lot easier for
you to slip the noose and hit the bricks, right,
And that was one of the major reasons why Gallaine
Maxwell was forced to stay in prison while she was
awaiting sentencing. They thought that she was a flight risk
and with all of that money, well, they were not wrong.
Epstein's lawyers did not immediately return or request for comment.
The travel document has become a key component of the
government's argument for keeping Epstein locked up on charges alleging
he sexually abused dozens of underage girls in New York
and Florida between two thousand and two and two thousand
and five. Look, I find it gross anyway that that
was the scope two thousand and two and two thousand
and five.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 1: You guys could have went all the way back to
nineteen ninety three, but you only go back to two
thousand and two. Why who are you guys protecting? And
don't you want to blow the doors off of this
thing and really find out who was involved? And I
don't just mean Jeffrey Epstein and Maxwell and all of
the enablers. Who were they giving these girls too? Where
were these girls going? Who was the purchaser of these
girls or on the receiving end? We don't talk nowhere
near enough about that? Do we? Very uncomfortable for the
federal government. And I wish it was a pathway that
the legacy media was more willing to tread upon, because
I gotta tell you, folk, it's a very very serious
part of all of this. Prosecutors say. It demonstrates Epstein's
ability to obtain false travel documents and underscores his serious
risk of flight. They also pointed to his extraordinary wealth,
access to private planes, and limited family ties. That's a
fact too. When you don't have as much family or
no family, it's easier for you to kick rocks and
head out on the lamb, isn't it If you have
nobody to come back to, no mom, no dad, no
family that loves you, and the alternative of being on
the run is going to prison. Then yeah, I think
you would definitely choose taking your fortune and trying your luck.
Because he knew that the time was over for him.
Jeffrey Epstein knew that he was all out of get
out of jail free cards, and as an asset, he
knows that he had been burned a long time ago.
So there was no more let me leverage my friendships,
there was no more. I better call me Alan Dershowitz.
All Epstein had left to him was going scorched earth
and ratting out everybody who was involved with them. So
you can see why people are skeptical when you say, oh, well,
Epstein killed himself, especially considering everything that we know leading
up to that. So while I'm not going to sit
here and argue to my death that Epstein was murdered,
I am more than willing to keep that option open
and see where we go. Because anyone who says that
it's cut and dry what happened in that jail cell
probably has some kind of agenda that they're pushing. Defense
lawyers have asked the judge to allow Epstein to remain
at his seventy seven million dollar Manhattan mansion with electronic
monitoring as the case played out. Yeah, we know how
that worked out for him. Zero chance. Dude was getting
out of jail. Zer row chance. Okay, because guess what,
everybody knew what he was and the judge knew that
he was a flight risk and that he was gonna bounce.
We all know he was gonna bounce. You think he
was gonna sit around and take it. With all that money,
all that power, all those connections, he was just gonna
sit there and not use one of these passports and
try and get out of dodge. I'm sorry, I am
not comfortable saying that he wouldn't do that. This was
a man that was willing to go to any length
to not only chase down his proclivities, but to also
make sure that he did what he could to stay
out of prison while doing it. A judge is expected
to issue a ruling on the Bell request on Thursday. Epstein,
who is being held at a federal prison in New
York City, faces up to forty five years in prison
if convicted on charges of sex trafficking and conspiracy. That's it, folks,
forty five whole years. Maxwell facing eighty but Epstein only
forty five. Ask yourself, why, with all of the years
that we have had, all of the evidence that has
been piled up up as high as Everest, you mean
to tell me that all you could get is a
measly forty five for this scumbag. I don't buy it.
And again, this is the reason why I have no
faith in places like the SDNY and the Prosecutor's office.
Sure they'll go after people who don't have money to
defend themselves, people like Khalif Browder, but they won't go
after people like Jeffrey Epstein, not the way they should.
And one of these days, I hope, beyond hope, that
the federal government throws the gauntlet down and really pursues
these people, But unfortunately I won't be holding my breath.
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description box. All right, everybody, have a great day. What's
up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein chronicles. Recently,
we were talking about Jeffrey Epstein and the fake Saudi
Arabian passport or falsified Saudi Arabian passport, and I figured
we'd add a little more context today with an article
from Law and Crime. So let's dive into this article
by Matt Naem and let's see just exactly what was
going on with this passport. Headline Investigative journalist explains why
Jeffrey Epstein might have needed a fake passport. Why did
wealthy and connected accused child sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein have
a fake passport that listed as addressed as Saudi Arabia?
Good question, I mean, it's really a relevant question. How
is he able to acquire a passport from Saudi Arabia?
And what was he doing with one who did he
know over there and who was he so tight with
that he'd be able to get this passport. Well, we
know that his plane was over there the day before
the election in the United States, as we talked about,
and we know he had a meeting with NBS, or
at least that's what we hear. So if he's friends
with NBS, that would lead me to believe that he
has been friends with the royal family for quite some time.
And then you'll look at uncle Ben Tallal, don't you now?
Ben Tallal was a very powerful man for a very
long time, owned a big chunk of Twitter, owned a
lot of the Four Seasons, and was a very rich dude. Well, NBS,
the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, did a gigantic crackdown
and arrested a bunch of people in the country of
Saudi Arabia, and Ben Tallal was one of them, and
he had a lot of his wealth taken by NBS.
And there's a lot of talk that Jeffrey Epstein and
Ben Tallal were buddies. Now, I don't know for sure,
one way or the other if that's the case, but
it would make sense. We also know that Jeffrey Epstein
was palling around with a lot of gun runners and
a lot of arms dealers. The detail came out on
Monday in a federal courtroom, where federal prosecutors said they
had been made aware that is safe in Epstein's Upper
East Side townhouse contained a passport. The passport had a
photo that appeared to be of Epstein, but it had
a different name. While it was not initially specified which
country issued the passport. It's since been identified as an
Austrian passport. Eyebrows were raised when Saudi Arabia was listed
as Epstein's home address. The passport was issued in the
eighties and is currently expired. So he's had several different passports, right,
and they found several different passports. And again you have
to ask yourself, how is he able to get his
hands on stuff like that. You have to have some
really high connections to get a fake passport or no,
somebody who is good at doctoring this sort of paperwork.
Vicky Ward and an investigative journalist who recently said that
she was silenced back in two thousand and two and
two thousand and three when attempting to expose Epstein as
a sexual abuser of young girls in a Vanity Fair profile.
The talented mister Epstein, Well, we all know that that
article didn't go far enough, and we all know that
the survivors themselves say that that article didn't go far enough.
And Vicky Ward, she says that she was harassed and
threatened and all sorts of other things. But I say,
with something like this, then don't write the article at all,
why write a puff piece. You have to add everything
to that article, all of the bad, all of the
stuff that people have alleged that he has done, especially
when you're getting it from solid sources. In a Twitter
threat on Monday, discussed what Epstein reportedly said he was
up to in the eighties to explain how he might
have come to possess a fake passport with a home
address in Saudi Arabia. Now this is from the Twitter thread.
One more thing about the passport the Feds found and
is safe in Epstein's apartment with his photo but a
different name, and his country of residents listed as Saudi Arabia.
In the nineteen eighties, Jeffrey Epstein used to tell people
he was kind of a financial bounty hunter whose job
it was to find lost or stolen money for the
government or the very rich, Ward said. A former Epstein
friend reported in at Salon last week that Epstein claimed
he worked for governments to recover money looted by African dictators.
Other times those dictators hired him to help them hide
their stolen money. That is exactly what Epstein was doing. Okay,
Not only was he somebody who understood the offshore financial
system and the way money laundering works. He was somebody
who was actively participating in it himself, and nobody makes
enough of that. That should be a ongoing conversation, a
big theme that these so called journalists are looking into.
But I'd hate to get in the way of them
telling you to hate your neighbor. I mean, who am
I to presume that Jeffrey Epstein, in his crimes, are
much more important than gaslighting people into thinking that their
neighbor is their enemy. The salon piece Ward was referring
to indeed made such claims. Jeffrey Epstein didn't abuse underage
girls in a vacuum. He had enablers and friends for
a few years in the eighties. I was one of
his friends in the transactional Manhattan meaning of that word,
and I got a preview of his sickness when we
met in nineteen eighty six. Epstein's double identity intrigued me.
He said he didn't just manage money for clients with
mega fortunes. He was also a high level bounty hunter.
Some times he told me he worked for governments to
recover money looted by African dictators. Other times those dictators
hired him to help them hide their stolen money. And
anyone who thinks that this isn't going on with dictators
all over the world held our own politicians in the West.
I don't know what to tell you, because these people,
how do you come into office, get a job where
you're making, Oh, I don't know, one hundred and sixty
five grand a year, be in that job for forty years,
and leave being hundred million here?
Speaker 2: How's that even possible?
Speaker 1: Can somebody explain that without any kind of stealing or
theft going on? Oh, I'm sure you're just making investments,
investments that you don't have any insider knowledge of. The
writer of the piece, Jesse Kornbluth, went on to describe
how Epstein became dead to him. My wife to be
was then a military historian with a book about to
be published. Interview magazine photographed her in a button up
military shirt with a tat khaki tie, a witty photo
of an a active woman, but not a sexy look.
Jeffrey Epstein had chatted her up at a few parties.
The military look fooled him not at all. The night
before our marriage, Epstein called, it's your last free night.
He told my wife to be. Why don't you come
over and f me? That was how in June of
nineteen eighty seven, Jeffrey Epstein became dead to me. You know,
imagine someone calling your wife to be and saying some
shit like that. I would have saved everybody a whole
lot of trouble if I was this cornbluth character, and
Epstein would have called me with that bullshit.
Speaker 2: I'm showing up.
Speaker 1: If you call me at eight, I'm on your porch
at nine talking about bitch. This porch is now mine?
Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? Right now?
Speaker 1: Who has the audacity? What sort of brazen hu bris
do you think you possess that you can call another
man and talk like that, Wart, citing her own source,
said that one of the rich people for whom Jeffrey
Epstein chased down money was add Non Kashagi, a power
or full Saudi businessman who also happened to be the
uncle of journalist Jamal Kashogi, who later was shockingly murdered
by agents of the Saudi Arabian government in October of
twenty and eighteen. Jamal's uncle ad Noon died in twenty
and seventeen. Look, it's not a shock to me, and
it shouldn't be a shock to anyone who follows this
sort of news. Koshogi was working as a double agent basically,
and the Saudi Arabian government and the Prince of Saudi Arabia,
especially NBS, he's not playing these games now. Should have
they done what they did? Absolutely not. But we all
know that Adnan Koshogi was a gun runner, an arms
trafficker in bed with some seriously depraved and bad people.
And what happened with Jamal Kashogi, well that should never
have gone down. But it would be naive to think
that he wasn't delving in territory where he was really
risking his life. Yogi, now deceased, was very powerful in
Saudi Arabia and may well have been in a position
to have helped Epstein procure documentation in that country. Ward continued,
there is more on that yet to come. Look, there
is no doubt that he could have gotten that documentation
from Koshogi.
Speaker 2: Kaushogi was a very big.
Speaker 1: Deal in the world of running arms for a very
very long time, and he was one of the most
rich and successful men going. You know, this guy was
paling around with the best of them and if anybody
could have, you know, walked into the King's office and
asked for some documentation. I'm pretty sure that Koshogi was
up there on that list. Wardis said that her former
editor at Vanity Fair, Graydon Carter, was not telling the
truth when he said her story simply didn't have the
goods In the end, we didn't have confidence in Ward's reporting,
Carter said, of the story. We were not in the
habit of running away from a fight. Now, it's been
a lot of he said, she said over here at
Vanity Fair. But I'm over here saying it's both of
your fault as the editor and as the journalist. As
a journalist, if your editor doesn't run it, quit your job,
show some courage, Go and bring your story. If you're
confident and strong in your story, bring it to somebody else.
There's somebody out there that'll pick it up and run it.
Speaker 2: It's just not true.
Speaker 1: Ward responded, these women were on the record, as was
their mother, and they had character witnesses. Carter has disputed
this as well. They can dispute it all they want.
There aren't very many things in this story, this case,
I'm sure of. I'm sure of this I've had conversations
with Maria directly about this specific topic, so I'm pretty
sure about this. I respected the work Vicky Ward did
at Vanity Fair, but unfortunately her accounting of the facts
around the Epstein article is inaccurate. There were not three
sources on the record, and therefore this aspect of the
story did not meet our legal and editorial standard. He
told The Hollywood Reporter, that's a lie. Maria, her mom,
and Annie were all on the record. But Ward said
there was an inappropriate meeting between Carter and Epstein that
happened after the article was fact checked and legally vetted.
What's important to remember here is that Graydon Carter cut
the women from the story after Jeffrey Epstein met with him,
which itself is extraordinarily inappropriate. She said, when you're the
subject of a piece, you don't go and then negotiate
with the editor of a magazine. Why not he went
negotiated with the United States government and got himself a
sweetheart deal. You think he ain't walking into some editor's
office and trying to have that bde in there. Come
on stop it. Ward recently described this in The Daily
Beast as well. I spent many months on his trail
in two thousand and two for Vanity Fair and discovered
that not only he was not who he claimed to
be professionally, but also that he allegedly assaulted to young sisters,
one of whom had been under age at the time.
Very bravely. They were prepared to go on record. They
were afraid he'd use all of his influence to discredit them,
and their fear turned out to be legitimate. They're talking
about Maria and Annie right there, and nobody wanted to listen.
Maria told people, and he told people. People ignored them,
and then they show up after the fact like they
wanted to do something and like they were involved from
the beginning. When it comes to justice, you were not.
As the article was being ready for publication, Epstein made
a visit to the office of Vanity Affairs then editor
Graydon Carter, and suddenly the women and their allegations were
removed from the article. He's sensitive about the young women,
Carter told me at the time. Editor's Note. Carter has
previously denied this allegation. He has also mentioned he finageled
the photograph of Epstein in a swimsuit out of the
encounter who the hell would want to see Jeffrey Epstein's
gross ass in a swimsuit, Mister mashed potato head. Nobody
wants to see that. And there was also some feeble
excuse about the article being stronger as a business story.
Epstein had also leaned heavily on my ex husband's uncle,
Conrad Black, to try and exert his influence on me,
which was particularly unwelcome given that Black happened to be
my ex husband's boss at the time. Here's an idea,
any aspiring journalists out there, tell everybody to get eft.
Nobody's pressuring me, nobody's going to make me tell any
story but the truth wherever the evidence leads. I know
it's a novel idea for our journalism to be directed
in that direction, but that's where they should be going.
In the same piece, Ward claimed that soon to be
former Labor Secretary Alexander Acosta, whose former US Attorney's office
cut a sweetheart non prosecution agreement with Epstein in two
thousand and seven, set before confirmation hearings, that he was
told Epstein belonged to intelligence and to leave it alone.
The claim has gained some traction among conservative radio hosts,
and again with the conservative radio hosts, as if they're
the only people who are paying attention here, and obviously
people who are, you know, using it as a political cudgel,
they're in the way, and that goes for anyone conservative
or otherwise. But to try and posit this as some
sort of conspiracy theory when these words were said, this
was reported, and we have all of the background now,
especially in einslight considering Jeffrey Epstein was on paper as
a government informant. I mean, come on, how is that
a conspiracy theory. When Acosta gave a press conference last week,
the one preceding is eventual resignation, he was asked about
whether Epstein being an intelligence asset had something to do
with the sweetheart deal, a costa acknowledge the reporting on this,
did not outright deny it as completely untrue, and said
guidelines prohibitibitted him from addressing it directly. So why would
there be guidelines to prohibit him from addressing that directly?
Why wouldn't the government just waive it and say no,
he wasn't.
Speaker 2: Here's the proof.
Speaker 1: Stop with the nonsense. They haven't done that yet, have they?
Ask yourselves?
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 1: Why are they being hesitant with Freedom of Information Act requests?
Why have they not come forward with all of the
information about what happened to night Epstein died? And why
have they not been forthright telling you that Jeffrey Epstein
signed to three to zero two, was on a profit
and was working as an informant for the government. All
of that fact, by the way, So there's been reporting
to that effect, and let me say, there's been report
to a lot of effects in this case, not just now,
but over the years. And again I would hesitate to
take this reporting as fact. He said, this was a
case that was brought by our office. This was a
case that was brought based.
Speaker 2: On the facts.
Speaker 1: And I look at the reporting and others. I can't
address it directly because of our guideline. So dumb change
the guidelines. Then, you know, all those people that you're
getting up there and arguing about politically, they're the ones
who put these guidelines into place.
Speaker 2: They can change them, right.
Speaker 1: They haven't ask yourselves, why is it to protect you
or is it to protect them? If you'd like to
contact me, you can do that at Bobby Kapuchi at
proton mail dot com.
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