Speaker 1: It is the Big twelve SEC Breakdown side of Jonestown.
Prisch is here with you, where they comprehensive looking up
the Big.
Speaker 2: Twelve and the Southeastern Conferences this week. We begin each
in every Big twelve SEC Breakdown with our hot takes
and where I want to go this week with my
hot take, Tom, I'm gonna head to an unlikely spot.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to Vanderbilt probably take this week. And
a lot of people are given Diego Pavia a ton
of credit calling him the best quarterback in the SEC.
And I gotta tell you, I was impressed with him
and what they did at Vandy went over Alabama was
a big deal. But I think that Diego Pavilla and
Vanderbilt are gonna have a coming to Jesus meeting. They're
gonna come back down to Earth. I don't think that's
a bold team. I think Pavia is gonna be okay.
I don't think he's gonna even be a top four
quarterback in the SEC this year. I think everybody just
needs to calm down on Diego Pavia.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: It was. I hate to discredit him, but I feel
like last year a lot went right even for him
and Vandy. It feels like a one hit wonder for me.
I'm not buying the Diego Pavia hype. You could call
him the best returning quarterback in the SEC right now,
just because there's not a ton of returning quarterbacks. In
all honesty, we're talking about new faces and new places,
you know, with Arch Manning, John Matteer, Gunner Stockton, some
of these other names that that we've mentioned here. But
I'm just not buying Diego Pavia and Vanderbilt is taking
that next step.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: I think after they meet Alabama in Nashville and then
they you know, did the gold Post in the River,
I think that was really fun for Vanderbilt. And I think,
you know, as an outsider looking in that doesn't root
for SEC team, I think you can almost even say
underdog story of the year. Yeah, Yeah, that was really fun.
That was really fun. And this is a team that
they beat coming off saving and Canon de Boor and you.
Speaker 3: Know, Alabama not having that great of a year.
Speaker 4: It was very fun. It was very fun. I don't
think you can keep that up for two years.
Speaker 1: In a row.
Speaker 4: You have your one fun year. TCU had their one
fun year. I'll bet a little bit better, but you
can't keep that up. No, not definitely, not in the
sec No, I am selling.
Speaker 1: I'm selling Diego, Pavia and Vanderbilt. It's uh, it's all
gonna come crashing down. I'm I'm selling that team. Tom.
Where do you want to go this week?
Speaker 4: I will I love to go to Stillwater, but I'm
banned for the rest of the year from going there, so.
Speaker 3: Instead we will head to West Texas, Jones.
Speaker 4: We will go into the desert of Lubbock, into the
land of the Flying Tortilla.
Speaker 1: All the money.
Speaker 3: And Jones, I don't know. And you haven't had a
whole lot of time lately. You've been on the road.
Speaker 4: You've been cashing out on the Summer of Jones. You've
been here, You've been there, You've been fucking everywhere.
Speaker 3: You got a lot going on.
Speaker 4: And I know you're not in our little side groups
College Football Video Game League, you know. And this year
we did a little bit different where everybody had to
pick a team under eighty overall, with the exception of
Friend of the Show Nolan.
Speaker 3: He was so bad at the game, we let him
have you talk.
Speaker 5: I want to call Read of the Show, but go ahead,
he's a friend of mine, but he's for your former
friend of the show, whatever you want to call him.
Speaker 1: Uh, I didn't give you permission. Continue there you go.
Speaker 4: If we did a Tyler Jones podcast documentary, Nolan will
be a part of the documentary.
Speaker 1: Uh, continue, keep going.
Speaker 4: But anyway, looking at the Big Twelve ratings, Texas Tech
overall eighty six has the highest ranking in the Big Twelve.
Speaker 3: No, no, what you know?
Speaker 4: And I know in San Antonio they smoke weed. Austin
they smoke weed, Dallas they smoke weed. Houston they smoked
probably pretty decent weed. Oklahoma they've smoked good weed. Colorado's
in the Big twelve. They smoke really good weed.
Speaker 3: Florida. I'm pretty sure you see smoked some pretty good weed.
Speaker 1: Okay, get on with it. Everybody smokes good weed.
Speaker 3: What he's said, I don't think Texas Tech smokes good weed.
Speaker 4: They have been smoking Peote and Lubbock. Your head coach
is Joey McGuire. Everyone's like, everyone's so centered right now
on Texas Tech being the winner. Everybody last year was
like Utah is one of the MiG twelve.
Speaker 3: What happened? Bottom?
Speaker 4: Texas Tech is getting too much high.
Speaker 3: Okay, too much time. Texas Tech.
Speaker 4: You play Arkansas, Pine and buff win, Kent State win,
Oregon State probably win. Go to Utah, You're gonna lose.
Houston could lose. Houston's coming up. I know you liked
Houston last year and what they're doing. Kansas could lose,
Arizona State could lose, Oklahoma State could lose in Manhattan,
Kansas loss.
Speaker 3: By you comes to Lubbock, that'll be very exciting. U
se f In Lobbick.
Speaker 4: Who knows West Virginia and Morgantown, who knows Texas Tech's
not one of the Big Twelve.
Speaker 1: Okay, So here's where I will correct you for a moment.
When it comes to Texas Tech. I agree with a
lot of what you had to say, but let's talk
about what these ratings are based on. It's based on
talent level, and I think without question, everybody agrees the
most talented team on paper in the Big Twelve is
Texas Tech. That's the best roster money can buy in
the Big Twelve.
Speaker 3: Spent a lot of money, it's not even close.
Speaker 1: When you're talking talent level, Texas Tech is the most
talented team in the league. So I think they are
worthy of that rating because that's what the video game
is based on, of your talent level of rating. But
then when we factor in coaching, I don't believe in
Joey McGuire. I think Joey McGuire setting that program back.
I don't think that he's the right man for the job.
If Texas Tech, with spending the money they're spending, doesn't
make the Big Twelve title game, I think Joey McGuire
there's a decent chance he ends up getting fired here
when it's all said and done. That's where I look
at and I say, Tom, you're not correct when you
say Texas Tech isn't a top notch team talent Why
because they are. I don't think they're a well coached team,
and I think Texas Tech wins eight or nine games
on paper, they should win ten or eleven. But because
of Joey McGuire, I think that's what sets them back
and why they're not going to reach their full potential.
So I see where you're coming from, but I don't
think it's it is a you have your argument in
the right place here, where yes, Texas Tech is not
going to win the Big Twelve, but it's not going
to because of the lack of talent. I think it
has to do with coaching.
Speaker 4: Okay, maybe I was remiss stating the eighty six overall ranking.
Speaker 3: That is, that is what you said is true. Just
when I look at it.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying they're bad team talent wise, kind of
like what we've seen or what we did see with Okay,
Texas had very good recruiting classes with Charlie Strong, yet
they were still a dog shit team.
Speaker 1: Right, but they head probably Strong at their head coach.
Speaker 4: Right right, That's what we're gonna see here, And I'm
trying to think of the level. I don't think Joey
McGuire is that bad. He's just not that guy to
win the Big Twelve with Texas Tech.
Speaker 1: Right if you put a number of Big Twelve coaches,
like I was reading some anonymous survey stuff and all
of them were saying, Man, I wish I had Texas
Tech's money and Texas Tech's roster, what I could do
with that team. Like if you put Kenny dilling Am
coach in Texas Tech right now, this league probably is
not even close. Texas Tech probably what runs away with
the Big Twelve title this year.
Speaker 3: You put Chris Klimb in there, they're winning the Big Twelve.
Speaker 1: You put Climb in there, you put Kenny Dillingham there,
maybe even Lance Leipold, maybe even Mike Gundy for crying
out loud. But yeah, to me, the issue is not
the talent level. The talent is there. It's the most
talented team in the league, no question. But it's the coaching.
I think that's their problem that's going to hold him back.
Speaker 3: Do you think Joe McGuire is aware. Do you think
he Oh, he's got to be aware.
Speaker 1: He's got to be aware. And with that roster, like
you gotta start cashing those checks at some point. And
if they don't make the Big Twelve title game, he's done.
I'll say that right now. Looking at the coaches boll
that just came out this week, Let's break this down
real quick. We're the Big twelve at SEC teams fall
Texas is your preseason number one, followed by Ohio state
of two, Penn state of three, Georgia at four, Notre
Dame five, Clemson six, Oregon seven, Alabama a LSU nine,
Miami ten. So no Big Twelve teams in the top
ten and four SEC teams in the top ten. All
of the coaches pull Tom Texas at number one. I
get it. I don't have a problem with Texas being
the preseason number one. Crazy enough, this is the first
time in program history Texas has ever been a preseason
number one. Believe it or not.
Speaker 3: That's very aprizing.
Speaker 1: Actually, the team that catches my eye is sitting there
at eight. That's the Alabama Crimson time. Ty Simpson's coming
in at quarterback. Their rosters a lot better. I think
he's more. He's a better fit for that offense than
what Jalen Milroe was. You heard us talking to Ryan
Fowler last week that you know Kalen Milroe is a
talented quarterback, but he didn't fit Kaylyn de Bort's offense.
Simpsons more. What they're looking for. That defense is gonna
be really good. I think the SEC Championship game, I
think we're looking at Texas and Alabama as the SEC
championship game. I not so sold on on Georgia with
Gunner Stockton. I didn't like what I saw the playoff game.
LSU have not sold on with Brian Kelly, and I
think Gus I think Nus Meyers have been overrated there.
I look at those SEC teams the top ten, Texas
and Obama are the two that catch my eye. Between
those four teams, what say you.
Speaker 3: I think I think Bama's gonna have a comeback here.
I really do.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I do believe in Kaitlyn de Boor. I think he's
a great coach. It's like the country song, who's gonna
fill their shoes? You're not gonna come in year one
and win the championship after Nick Saban, this is whatever
was gonna happen. He's gonna get his own guys in
there too. He built a great program in Washington. I
really think Alabama could surprise a lot of people. I
don't think they're on enough people's radar. I'm not saying
people are writing them off, not saying that, but everybody
thinks Texas, Georgia automatically, and I don't think people are
giving enough credit to what Alabama could do. And you
can even say, hey, Florida, what are they doing? Lagway
looks pretty good. They just came from a tough year.
That team's tough minded. That team comes to mind.
Speaker 1: So then break down rest the wreckings. Arizona State is
at eleven, the first Big twelve team in the poll,
Illinois twelve, South Carolina another SEC team at thirteen, Michigan fourteen,
Ole miss fifteen. Let's let's look at those that group here.
Arizona State. I like a lot of things about Arizona State,
but I do wonder, tom, who are they without Camp Skataboo.
I like Lovett, I like Jordan Tyson, their star receiver.
I'm all in, I'm Kenny Dillingham, but I'm very cueurious
that offense was so reliant on camp Scataboo. Is there
a transition or are they gonna be just fine without
camp Scataboo. I know it's the running back position. In theory,
it's the most replaceable, But you could argue there wasn't
a player more valuable to their team in college football
than what camp Scataboo was Arizona State last year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and in a lot of teams, there are hearts
of a team. I think in past, like Oklahoma State years,
Malcolm Monrigez at linebacker was the heart of that team.
Speaker 3: Scataboo was definitely the heart of that team.
Speaker 4: You lose that heart, somebody else has to step up
and take the ownership of that heart of the team.
Speaker 3: I don't know who that's gonna be. Is it gonna
be Levitt?
Speaker 4: I do believe in him, I do believe in Kenny Dillyam.
I don't know someone's gonna have to step up and
be the heart of the team.
Speaker 3: I don't believe in I don't believe in Illinois.
Speaker 1: To come out. I like the Illinois team. I like
what Bret Bieblama has there, and their schedule is pretty favorable.
Thirteen South Carolina.
Speaker 3: I like Indiana.
Speaker 1: I like South Carolina. Sellers is a good quarterback, but
I think that a lot's gonna have to go right
for South Carolina to be a playoff team. I think
that they're gonna be more tested, that they're not gonna
catch people by surprise like they did last year.
Speaker 3: That team was in the Big twelve, they would win it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Old Miss at fifteen, no Jackson Dart, no Walter Nolan.
They've lost a lot of talent there. I think Old
Miss is taking a step back this year. I like
Lane Kiffin, but I just don't see Old Miss as
a top fifteen team. I think Old Miss is a
team that's gonna be uh not nearly as good as
what they were a season ago.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think so either. I don't want to
buy or sell them yet.
Speaker 4: They do get Oklahoma State's de Jehn Stripling, who is
a monster. I think you have questions of quarterbacks. Still,
I don't want to buy or sell them just yet.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, sixteen SMU seventeen Florida. I am completely selling Florida.
I don't think Florida. Oh yes, I think pier is
a fraud. I don't think Lagway is as good as advertised.
I think that this is gonna be the curtain call
for Billy Day Pier. I'm predicting top I'll go as
far to say, and I know I said this last year,
but I'll dial this hill again. This is gonna be
a mid season firing for Billy Day Pier No.
Speaker 3: I absolutely disagree. He did what he needed to do
last year.
Speaker 4: That Florida team, with their schedule and everything against them,
he overperformed.
Speaker 3: I think this Florida team is bringing people back.
Speaker 4: You got Lagway, you got a couple of good running backs,
you got a good wide receiving core.
Speaker 3: I think this offense is gonna fuck.
Speaker 4: I think they're absolutely gonna fuck I'm not buying them
to win the SEC. They're gonna finish top fifteen this season.
Put it on me.
Speaker 3: Eighteen Timy guaranteeing it.
Speaker 1: No NKO, you know, they go to uh, you know,
make some changes, hypel still there. I think Tennessee probably
takes a bit of a step back. Eighteen Indiana, and
then we go twenty to twenty five, and this is
where we start to find some more big twelve teams.
K stayed at twenty, then there's Texas A and M
and the SEC at twenty one. I think Elko's doing
a good job, but I still think they are another
year away from being a serious threat. They're actually tied
with Iowa State for twenty one, and Iowa State tom
that entire roster. Every key player took a pay cut
to keep that roster intact. Matt Campbell settled for less money.
I think it's one of those deals for Iowa State.
It's kind of just hanging on for dear life at
this point where you got an athletic department that's forty
million dollars in debt. They can't pay to renovate their stadium,
they can't pay to renovate Hilton Coliseum. This in this
nil era where teams are starting to fade away, this
this might be the last chance for Iowa stated. If
I was Matt Campbell, and I like Matt Campbell, and
I salute his loyalty at Iowa State, I'd be looking
to get out of there after this year with where
the direction of that athletic department's heading.
Speaker 3: Well, you mentioned that he just got an extension. He did,
but he could he could definitely leave. I think if
I think if they go.
Speaker 4: Eight and four, and I think that's being a little generous,
I think they're closer to seven and five type team.
I think, if you're Matt Campbell, if you can get
or if you over well this, if you overperformed this year,
I think if you're Matt Campbell, this is when you
take the bigger job.
Speaker 1: You get out while the iron's hot.
Speaker 3: As they said, getting good absolutely.
Speaker 1: Twenty three BYU. I'm very curious would be what he
looks like without Retz laugh. He was huge for that
offense last year and I just don't know. I think
that did he go to another team? Has that been announced? Yeah,
he went to Tulane as a well wow, Yeah, Texas
Tech at twenty four. We talked about them earlier. Roster's
really good, I don't believe in coaching, and then Boise
State rounds out the top twenty five. So with that said, Tom,
I think the sec of real playoff contenders, I would
say it's Texas, Georgia, Bama, LSU, and then I would
even throw in Oklahoma as a dark horse as your
playoff teams even though they're not ranked in the top
twenty five for the first time ever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's very surprising.
Speaker 1: Big twelve wives. I think playoff contenders. I think it's
Arizona State. I think it's KSE State, and then probably
Texas Tech just because that roster. I think that's what
we're looking at for real playoff teams in each of
those leagues.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't believe even in BYU without the by J.
Speaker 3: Now, I think.
Speaker 4: Who's who's to say that the by Jew doesn't become
doesn't become Jew Lane?
Speaker 3: Do you believe in.
Speaker 1: I could see that?
Speaker 3: Did they be the new Boise State? I mean how long?
Well was it twenty twenty.
Speaker 4: Two that that Twulane had that incredible game against USC
Betavencotta Bow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was.
Speaker 4: The one of the most incredible games in the last
I don't know, ten years, maybe even further. Yeah, and
two lane is two Lane is competitive, like Memphis wants
to be competitive. Yeah, maybe maybe they make some noise.
Boise State, they're always going to be there. Who do
the was the quarterback Mattson?
Speaker 1: I think so?
Speaker 4: Yeah, And but no, no Ashton anymore. The same way
that Arizona State lost Scataboo, Boise State could fall.
Speaker 3: For the same reason.
Speaker 1: I think so. Morticavo the Carter Stanley, former KU quarterback,
going to join us stacks, join us now the Joe Sport.
This week, please to welcome in former KU quarterback Carter
Stanley is back as we look ahead to the start
of the twenty twenty five college football season less than
a month and away, as the Jayhawks will be Week
zero against Fresno State. We'll talk about the Hawks and
go around the rest of the Big Twelve as Carter
joins us right now, Carter, always pleasure, Would we get
it chat my guy? I can't believe it. Just a
few more weeks and we get this thing started for real.
Speaker 6: Yes, sir, Yeah, Tyler, thanks for having me on. Always
a pleasure indeed, And yeah, it's crazy. It's uh, I
feel like all of spring and you know, through early
parts of summer it just felt so far out, and
then these last couple of weeks have flown by and
just kind of really hit me this week that you know,
we're that close to being back on got about two
and a half weeks and you know, definitely looking forward
to it.
Speaker 1: Tell me, this Carter is somebody that that played, that's
that's been through these circumstances before. What are these last
couple of weeks like for these players, whether you're at
kau or any other school, of the anticipation and the
final tune ups before the real thing gets started. What's
take us inside? What's that like?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean it really kind of depends on your
situation and whether you're like going through a position battle
or whatnot.
Speaker 6: And you know, for me, I was fortunate enough like
from the first day I stepped on campus till really
when the last day I left, it felt like I
was in a position battle. And so this time of
year for me personally, it was always just like your
you're hyper focused on you know the details of every practice,
every film session, you know everything within fall camp, and
you know that can That can be stressful, but at
the same time, it you know, brings.
Speaker 7: Out the best when you're competing against someone else.
Speaker 6: And so I think these guys at this point, they're
they're still still in the thick of fall camp, but
you know, say a week from now, the transition slowly
focused or it's transitions to you know, you're focusing on
an opponent and you're ready to not hit your own
teammates anymore.
Speaker 7: You've been hitting them for a.
Speaker 6: Couple of weeks now, and that's when you really get
geared up for that first game and for the.
Speaker 7: Season to kick off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's an interesting time, to say the least.
And at KU moving back to the Booth David Booth
Family Memorial Stadium already about I think they're about halfway
done with the renovation, but it's good enough to at
least play football games again. And Carter, I've seen the pictures.
I know you've seen some that stuff. What an exciting
time for this football program to be moving back in
and having games played on campus, even if they're not
completely done yet. This is a this is a huge
step in the right direction here.
Speaker 7: Yeah, no doubt, it's it's incredibly exciting.
Speaker 6: I mean it's just everything about the not only in
the stadium, but just the facilities and everything that Kansas
has going on right now. It just seems top of
the line and you know best really in college football,
it seems like So it's it's really exciting. And you know,
obviously the wayside, the east side of the stadium is going.
Speaker 7: To be complete yet, but no, it's great to be
back in Lawrence.
Speaker 6: Last year, you know, playing an Arrowhead that was you know,
cool and it had its pros for sure, but you know,
just being outside of Lawrence I think kind of had
a little bit of effect on those guys and just
the feel overall.
Speaker 7: So definitely looking forward to it.
Speaker 1: I know last year wasn't the year Ki you wanted,
going five and seven, missing a bowl game, but when
you see the new stadium and then you look around
just where this program's gone. Devin Neil gets drafted by
the Saints. You know, you had guys like Bryce Cable
do he got drafted by the Seahawks, even some of
the undrafted guys. I thought Kobe should have been picked,
but he still got a chance to make a roster.
Same with Mellow Dots, in. I mean, you don't have
to look too far, even off of five and seven
season just to see the progress of what Lentz Leighthold
has done with how far this program's come here at quarter.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no doubt, and it's you know, you're right all
it was a disappointing season record wise, and uh, you know,
it's just crazy though to see how far the programs
come because a couple of years ago, I mean back
when I was playing, like fans would they would love
a five and seven season. So it's, uh, you know,
the fact that five and seven is disappointing is you know,
it's a good sign for where we're.
Speaker 7: As a program.
Speaker 6: And uh, you know, I think this year obviously some
some changes, you know, as far as the players, uh,
you know, a lot of I think the entire defensive
secondary has gone, which it's unfortunate, but hey, you know,
portal we reloaded, and you know, we've had some coaching
staff changes, offensive coordinator, defensive coordinators new So I think, uh,
I think it's going to be a new look. I
think there's going to be slight variations compared to what
we've seen in the past under coach White Bold and
his staff.
Speaker 7: But no, I've I have no doubt that they're going
to have a great season.
Speaker 1: You mentioned the new staff coming in new OC, new
d D c UH Jim Zabrovski takes over as o
c DK McDonald taking over as defensive coordinator. And last year,
you know, there was a lot of peaks and valleys
with how the offense and the defense was called UH
after the departure of Andy Kowaniki, who did an awesome
job at Kent State UH there. And you know, I
look at these changes here and I think we could
be Frank Carter it didn't work with what they had
with their UH coordinators last year and that these changes
needed to happen. And you know, without digging too much
into detail, maybe you could tell me more about this.
I feel like with Zabrovsky, what he knows and UH
his previous experience working with with Lance Leipold, this scheme
and what he's looking to might be a much better
fit here for for for for Daniels in his final
season here at KU.
Speaker 6: Yeah, No, I couldn't agree more. And it you know,
it helps. It is at the end of the day,
a internal hire.
Speaker 7: You know, he hasn't been the.
Speaker 6: Play caller with the exception of the the bowl game
two years ago, where you know, we saw Jason bean
in the offense absolutely lighted up, and you know, I
think we will see maybe more a little bit more
passing than what we have in the past. But I
mean based off how that bowl game went against UNLV
and in twenty twenty three, they again lit it up.
Speaker 7: So I'm really excited.
Speaker 6: And coach Zabrowski, his son actually was unbelievable quarterback at
I think it was Division two school in Missouri, and
you know, he put up a lot of numbers. So
I think we're gonna see a lot of you know,
increase in the passing stats here this season.
Speaker 7: So I'm definitely looking forward to that.
Speaker 1: At this time last year, Jalen Daniels was the preseason
Big twelve Player of the Year and he didn't have
the year he wanted. Now, when we talk about quarterbacks
in this conference this year, it feels like people are
saying that he's maybe the fifth or sixth best quarterback
in this league compared to being the preseason player of
the year. Of how things have changed for him. With
that said, you know, Carter, you've been in these circumstances
where you had to play with a chip on your
shoulder something to prove. I don't necessarily think that's a
bad thing for Jalen here to have an edge to
maybe being dismissed or you know, guys thought of better
than him here. I still think at the end of
the day, when he's at his best, he could be
as good as any quarterback in this league. What do
you think, no doubt.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And honestly, if you think about it, the last
time that I feel like Jalen's had a chip on
his shoulder like this was the twenty twenty one season
because he started as a seventeen year old true freshman.
You know, obviously zero ex experience that that roster wasn't
in a great spy and twenty twenty one season, he
was actually the third string quarterback behind gosh, I think
it was Jason Bean and Miles Kendrick. Yeahs in that year,
you know, towards the end of the year ends up
whitened out the last three games or you know, three
or four games, and then I feel like every single
offseason kind of since the end of that twenty twenty
one season, it's been you know, a lot of praise,
and I'm not saying, you know, it's not deserved, but
you know, I think this year, for the first time
in a couple of years.
Speaker 7: He really does have that shape on his shoulder.
Speaker 6: And you know that since it's his last year or two,
you know, last ride, I think he's gonna lay it
all on the line and we're going to see some
great plays out of him.
Speaker 1: The skill positions look completely different around him, not just
Devin Dale leaving, but you look at some of these
players that they're coming in, you know, like you know,
Shawn Williams could be the starting running back, you know,
competing with Daniel Highshaw there. You know, the wide receivers
look different with Pickett, Henderson, Canty. What do you think
of these skill position guys and how quickly do you
think they'll be able to adapt and fit into this
offense here? We know they're talented, but it might not
be overnight.
Speaker 6: That's yeah, I mean that's the question, and it's it's
crazy with today's day and age of college football, the
transfer portal, that's you know, we're certainly not alone in uh,
you know, hoping that these guys can get acclimated quickly
and mesh together because you know, it seems like everyone's
kind of going through it with bringing in transfers from
the transfer portal. So you know, I think, like you said,
they're they're very talented, and you know, it seems like
and you know, I think right now is where you
try to.
Speaker 7: Nail down that timing.
Speaker 6: You know, whether it's quarterbacks and receivers, you know, timing
in the passing game, quarterbacks and running backs with you know,
the handoff meshing. So this is where you try to
hammer down that timing to hopefully get it going before
you know it's too late and next thing, you know,
your four games end of the season and you know,
may have cost you a game or two.
Speaker 7: So hopefully they're they're getting that dialed in right now.
Speaker 1: Well, and even though you have those those new guys
on the skill positions, I mean, Carter, I imagine you'd
be the first to tell me that it's gonna pay
dividends that they have such a veteran offensive line here.
Bryce Foster's getting a lot of NFL looks at that
center position. You got four seniors return that they're going
to be starting that offensive line, and Calvin Clements you're
starting left tackle, redshort sophomore, he's still pretty good in
his own right. What does that do for a quarterback
in this offense that, even though you have some questions
at the skill positions, that the offensive line is as
shirt up as it is.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean it's huge.
Speaker 6: I think you know, no matter what level of football
you're at, whether it's Pee wee or the NFL and
everything in between. I mean, like, if you're a good
if your team's good at blocking and tackling, you're gonna
be all right, Like you're gonna have a chance. And
then once you add in a six year quarterback that
has tons of experience to that, you know, that just
elevates you that much higher. So yeah, like you said,
they they don't have the skill players, they don't have
a lot of experience together at all. But just having
that base with the old line and a veteran quarterback,
I think that's gonna.
Speaker 1: Help a lot defensively. Uh, I look at you know,
kind of similar story with the guys up front. You know,
you're you're talking about a lot of seniors, with guys
like Dean Miller and DJ Withers. Uh, you know, three
seniors of the defensive line. Uh, you're one of your
starting edges is senior. In fact, you're starting linebackers are
all seniors too. I mean, uh, you know, sure you
get some question marks when it comes to the secondary,
but up front, some some veteran leadership here. I mean
that that just tells about both side to the ball carner,
we should expect to see a pretty physical, you know,
senior veteran laden football team.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I agree, and it's you know, front seven
is extremely important. Again, It's comes down to blocking and tackling,
like I said, and you know I will say it's
I'm naturally I guess a little bit worried about all
four defensive backs going, you know, because last year it
was for years it had been Mellow Dots and Kobe Bryant,
Oj Burrows and Grant, Marvin Grant, those guys, you know,
they played together for two, three, four years in a row,
and you know they were a really tight knit group.
So now with a whole new defensive secondary, again, there's
definitely talent there, but you have to work really well
together as a secondary. So I think that's going to
be the main thing to keep an eye on. And
you know, if they get off to a hot start
and they're working well at I think this KU defense
can definitely be dangerous.
Speaker 1: Former KU quarterback Carter Stantley Joadagus here the program this week.
Let's talk about the schedule. I gotta bring up the
Missoo game first quarter. You never got to play against Missoo,
but I'm sure you were hearing when you were a
player about how big this rivalry is, even for the
big gap it was in between games. And I know
Mark Mangino was on campus a couple of days ago
and he said that he really hopes he that KU
sticks it to Maszoo for leaving the conference and all
of that. And and this may not be a big
deal quarter for guys you know, you know, our age
or younger, but I would imagine that you know, Lancelipold
probably is teaching a history lesson of some sorts over
these next couple of weeks. How big this deal means,
especially to the older fans, to have this game back.
What do you think about K you squaring off here
against Missoo and getting this rivalry renewed here?
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, it's first off, it's great to see that,
you know, both programs made it happen. And you know,
we're playing this year at Columbia. Next year it's going
to be back in Lawrence. And then you know, I
think they're doing a home and home in early twenty thirties.
I think maybe thirty two and thirty three. But it's awesome.
I mean, it really should be an annual thing. And
you know, I certainly wish I could have played in
that rivalry because you know, like you said once, by
the time I got to Kansas, it was done.
Speaker 7: You know, Missoo was in the SEC.
Speaker 3: But I was.
Speaker 6: Quickly informed about how serious that rivalry was. And you know,
I think, I think there's going to be a lot
of energy and you know, I'm really excited to see
that one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you look at the rest of the
schedule Carter last year, but it was saying that, Kay,
you got the easiest schedule, the Big twelve, and we
saw all things worked out. But I see, you know,
the Fresno State game not an easy non con game.
That's a good you know, group of group of six
conference school. You play Wagner in the FCS, and then
you go down the line West Virginia, Cincinnati, UCF, Texas Tech,
k State, Old WESU, Arizona, Iowa State, Utah. I think
it's pretty manageable in all honesty, like Iowa State, K State,
Texas Tech. Probably your toughest conference games. But uh, if
if they stay healthy, if they can figure out these
school skill positions, I think we're talking about a path
to Arlington potentially here for this team.
Speaker 6: What do you think, Yeah, no doubt. It's it's interesting.
You know, last year it was so wild watching the
Big Twelve. It really was. You know, if you look
at the preseason rankings last year or you know, preseason
predictions I guess, and then you look at the final standings,
it was almost like a.
Speaker 7: Flip flop of how it ended up. You know, it was.
Speaker 6: Utah, Arizona, Oklahoma State, those three teams were kind of
projected to be top three and they ended up, you know,
in the bottom quart of the conference, and you know,
vice versa with the teams on top. So you know,
when you look at that schedule, there's no one team
that's like, oh man, you know, we got to go
at this.
Speaker 7: Place or we're got to host these guys.
Speaker 6: And but there's a lot of good competitive teams in
the conference, and you know, I think it's I think
it definitely is important to get off to a hot start.
You know, last year, I'm not seeing I'm not saying
this changed the entire season, but you know, losing at
Illinois for KU in that second week that kind of stung.
Speaker 7: And then you know, you follow it up with.
Speaker 6: That loss against UNLV that third game, a game which
you know we definitely shouldn't have lost, but you know,
you kind of just got to take a game.
Speaker 7: By game, get off to a hot start, and then
you know, week by week after.
Speaker 1: That, Yeah, and then that that k State game that's
coming up. I think you and I might both be
there and uh in late October, on October twenty fifth.
You know we've seen over the years, even you know,
you go back to your days that you were there,
this game is still close every single season, but somehow,
you know, a turnover late or the ball doesn't bounce
the right way, and KSE State finds a way to win.
Whether it's this year or next year. I mean, that
streak has got to be coming to an end sooner
than later. The problem is, you know, there was an
age old question Carter for many years was can KU
and k State both be good at the same time,
and most people would tell you no, that there's just
not enough talent in the state of Kansas for both
teams to be relevant. And now what we've seen fast
forward to twenty twenty five, both programs are in a
pretty decent spot and KSE states only continue to stay
where they are, And even as much progress we've seen
KU make, they're still trying to play catch up to
k State right now. I feel like that's still the
next next hill to decline, next mountain to the top
of sorts is getting over K State, not just beating
them head to head, but finishing ahead of them in
the big twelve standings here right.
Speaker 7: Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 6: It's last two years specifically have been painful for sure.
You know, I was at the k U K State
game in twenty twenty three. You know, I think we
were you know, we had a certain potential pick six
that was dropped that kind of would have put the
game away in my opinion, and then you know, a
number of just kind of bad bounces I guess in
that game. You know, nonetheless weren't we weren't able to
get it done. And then last year's similar story.
Speaker 7: You know it was in Manhattan.
Speaker 6: Great game, Cats came out on top, and so you're right, it's.
Speaker 7: You know, it's got to happen eventually.
Speaker 6: I sure hope it's it's this year and then we
kind of start our own streak. But now I think
I think the program has done some great things. I
don't know if you saw it, but you know it's
little things for like recruiting, trying to get that the
in state talent. They in the new stadium have a
list of all of the Kansas high school football teams,
Like helmets are in the stadium, and you know, just
cool things like that that I think will incentivize, you know,
being a Jayhawk instead of a wild guy in the future.
And you know, again, hopefully starts this year with this
matchup and you know, kind of get going from there.
Speaker 1: Not to bring up any bad memories, but I believe
it was your senior year quarter. It was shortly after
David Beatty had gotten fired, but he's still staying on board.
You guys were in Manhattan, I believe, and that was
a game that I mean, I was sitting there, I
was on the sidelines that day. That's a game you
guys should have won. Where you know, some people might
blame David Beatty for some coaching decisions or whatnot, but
I mean that was one I still recall when I
think back of this dreak of what could have been
that that day should have been a big win for
you guys.
Speaker 6: I thought, yeah, no, that that game was painful, no doubt. Yeah,
that was twenty eighteen in Manhattan, you know, not to
mention the wins, I was I think sub zero, so
that was that was rough. But yeah, there was I
remember specifically back to back plays in the fourth quarter
where you know.
Speaker 7: I think Pooka took a run that went like seventy.
Speaker 6: Yards of the house. Yeah, and I gets dropped and
then you know they move us back ten yards or whatever.
Khalil the very next play takes one of the house
flag gets dropped, and you know it obviously didn't come
to the down of the refs and whatnot or one
specific play, but just made that experience that.
Speaker 7: Much more painful.
Speaker 6: And you know, here we are in twenty twenty five,
still kind of trying to chase for that first win.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you mentioned Khalil. Not to get sidetracked too much,
but we were talking about Jayhawks in the NFL. Khalil
has turned out to have a pretty good career. I
know you were around Dorrance and and he got the
bag about a year or so ago from the Commanders.
He was a big part of their NFC championship around
a couple of years. This past year. How cool was
it to see to see those guys take off and
have the careers they've had so far.
Speaker 6: It was, Yeah, it's awesome. Well, Dorrance was one of
those guys where he was same recruiting class as me,
and I remember seeing him for the first time first
day on campus and I just thought to myself, something
has to go terribly wrong for this guy to not
make it to the NFL.
Speaker 1: And it put his banner up in the stadium before
he was done with school literally.
Speaker 6: Going into his junior year. Yeah, yeah, I remember that.
But no, he's he's incredible, and you know he's earned
every dollar. If not, you know, he deserves even more
for what he's done specific specifically last couple of years
in the NFL. He's just been, you know, a guy
that really stands out on Sundays and then you know Khalil,
He's he's had some awesome moments previously with the Bears
and then a little bit with the Bengals last year.
Now he's the Colts and Steven sim is my guy.
He's you know, he's going into year seven now with
the Seahawks, and yeah.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna make that roster too. It will
probably be their lead special.
Speaker 7: You know, he should for sure.
Speaker 6: And yeah, that's it's just awesome to see, you know,
guys that you you went through the grind with and
you know you saw them do all the right things
and you know they deserve that shot, and just to
see it kind of come to fruition and here we
are years later and they're they're still doing it.
Speaker 7: It's awesome.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, let me ask you about the rest of
the Big Twelve. I know that Arizona State, Let's start there.
They're the favorites in this league, coming off that Big
Twelve championship and a College Football Playoff appearance. Probably should
have beat Texas in that Peach Bowl. But I feel like,
I know, KYU doesn't play Arizona State this year, but
it's gonna be totally different for that Arizona State team.
Quarter of last year, they caught everybody kind of napping.
Kenny Dillingham did a hell of a job, don't get
me wrong, But it was until late in the season
that people realize, oh shit, that's actually a really good
football team. And you know, KU was was favored in
Tempe when they lost Arizona State that day and in
early October. There, that's that's gonna be totally different. I
think for Arizona State that they're gonna get everybody's best
this year compared to what they got most most of
last year. Totally different mindset here.
Speaker 7: Yeah, no, I couldn't agree more on that.
Speaker 6: It's it's gonna be interesting watching them because yeah, they
they got a great coaching staff, they got a great
thing going right there or right now out there because
of how last year went. But I was shocked to
see I think they have seventy nine or eighty percent
of their production that's returning, which considering.
Speaker 1: How pretty much everybody but Camp Scatabu, yeah.
Speaker 6: Right, yeah, and like considering how good they were last
year and you know, the transfer portal and not whatnot,
you would think like the number wouldn't be that high.
Speaker 7: So that's that's pretty pretty scary to see, honestly.
Speaker 6: But uh no, I think I think to your point,
they are going to get everyone's best shot.
Speaker 7: They're going to get everyone's full attention.
Speaker 6: Whereas you know last year, at least the first half
of the season, they may be surprised a lot of people.
Speaker 1: K State seems to be the thing with them is
all about Avery Johnson. We know Avery is a talent quarterback,
former four star recruits, one of the highest ever to
come to Manhattan there and they've been really good. Chris
Clem has done a great job the last few years.
But my question, Carter is can Avery Johnson take that
next step? I think that they're in position to be
a good Big twelve team, but if he doesn't go
from good to great, I can't imagine them being a
college football playoff type of team. You what do you
think of Avery Johnson in this game? Do you think
he's he's going to take that next step of growth here?
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, you know I agree that. You know what you.
Speaker 6: Said is is totally necessary. He is going to have
to take that next step. And you know, for me,
I think it's consistency in the passing game because he
can certainly run.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 6: You know, them losing Dj Giddens, really good running back
that they had. I think that's going to maybe force
him to have to throw the ball a little bit more,
you know, just on a game to game basis. But
I think I think he is ready for the challenge,
as as it kind of pains me to say a
little bit, but now he's he's a great player, and
you know, I think I think he is going to
take that next step. We're going to see some improvement
out of him and just all on, all more consistent.
Speaker 1: Who who else stands after you in the legue? I
know that you know b Yu had a surprise year
last year. You got Dion there Colorado. Is Utah gonna
step back up? Who kind of catches your attention there?
Speaker 6: Yeah, i'd say as far as you know, kind of
a I don't know if you could call him a
dark horse, but I expect Utah to be a lot
better this year. I was quite frankly shocked, you know
what the season they had last year. I think they
finished I don't know, I think it was five and
seven maybe, but no, I definitely expect them to not
only improve, but be in the top quarter of.
Speaker 7: The sixteen team league.
Speaker 6: So them and then I'd also say, I'd say Texas
Tech as well. You know, I know they're kind of
sitting towards the top, but I think this might be
a big breakout year for Texas tag all.
Speaker 1: That money Tech spending. Two second, I mean, Carter, I
imagine you might be saying yourself, I wish I was
a little bit younger, because they're just giving out all
sorts of bags right now. I mean, it's it's unbelievable.
You know, when we talk about the future of college
football and where the sport is headed, Texas Tech, as
long as they got that money there, I don't you know,
even if joe Maguire is not the right guy, and
he may or will not be, I think that program's
not going away. As long as they got that money there,
They're gonna be a threat for a while. They're not
going anywhere anytime soon.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I agree, it's well, we'll see.
Speaker 6: It is definitely a big year for them, and you know,
I think specifically for Joey Maguire and that coaching staff,
because yeah, it's been made very clear that they have
a lot of resources, you know, not only just like
the nil compensation and whatnot, but you know, the facilities
they've they've poured hundreds of millions into their facilities and
so they're they're doing all they.
Speaker 7: Can over in Lubbock, Texas. And you know, I think
this is a.
Speaker 6: Big show me year if you will, you know, you
got to show the donors, show the fan base that
you're going to be a legity contender moving.
Speaker 1: Forward well and bringing it back to KU for a
moment here. Maybe they don't have Texas Tech money, but
we've been able to see what they've spent to keep
players and also go to the portal, and then you
even look at others sports basketball. I know they didn't
have the results they won the last couple of years,
but it wasn't due to a lack of money, you know,
renovating the football stadium, Alan Field has been renovated. We've
seen the baseball program step up. You know, we'll see
what the future holds when it comes to the next
round of realignment and all that. But I feel like
Carter that the athletic department as a whole and really
football kind of leading the way, is in the best
spot it's been in a long time, if not ever.
Right now that Travis Goff has put this this school
in great position for their future going forward from here.
What do you think?
Speaker 7: Yeah, No, I mean Travis Goff.
Speaker 6: I can't emphasize enough how good of a job he's
done since he's taken over, and you know, like you said,
across all sports. You know, I feel like performance has
been better under him for all sports. And then you know,
improving all of the facilities, getting upgrades, and you know,
really just relationship with the donors, having them buy in,
and you know, it's been really impressive to see. I
was loving watching KU baseball last year. It was a
great time. And you know, I think with coach fits there,
I think they're going to be around and you know,
contender in.
Speaker 7: The Big twelve for a while. So No, it's it's
great to see Garner.
Speaker 1: We're out of time. This conversation flew by. Always a
pleasure to when we chat, my guy. That's the luck.
Thanks for John and usaid. Hopefully we're talking about a
great season for KU football here in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 7: Yes, sir, No, Tyler, always a pleasure. I appreciate you. Man.