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Speaker 2: two five five. That's seven to one three talk so
Speaker 2: much to go over? What a busy day. Let's let's
Speaker 2: start at this one. And this, this one just hacks
Speaker 2: me off. Why was it that when you say the
Speaker 2: word Nixon, people, grimace? What is it about Richard Nixon
Speaker 2: that offended us so? Because he kept secrets, because he
Speaker 2: had these tapes that he would not hand over. How
Speaker 2: to put it simply, we no longer trusted him because
Speaker 2: he wasn't transparent. He didn't tell us the truth. He
Speaker 2: had this attitude of, oh, those little people, they can't
Speaker 2: handle the truth, so we'll just keep it away from
Speaker 2: them because we know what's best. Now, that's really good
Speaker 2: work in a totalitarian regime. That's how it does work.
Speaker 2: We won't tell you what's going on, and that works really,
Speaker 2: really well in fascist countries and communist countries because the
Speaker 2: elite know what's going on, but we don't. Why am
Speaker 2: I bringing all this up? Because governmental transparency is crucial
Speaker 2: for democracy to work, for our republic to work. That's
Speaker 2: why we have the First Amendment. That's why we have
Speaker 2: to have an active branch of media and reporters to
Speaker 2: find out what's going on. And in Colorado we have
Speaker 2: open records laws. It's called the Colorado Open Records Act
Speaker 2: KORRA for short, and it means that we regular citizens
Speaker 2: have a right to see public information. Reporters rely on
Speaker 2: open records. When politicians and their lackeys hide information, keep
Speaker 2: it covered up, destroy communications between themselves, what they're doing
Speaker 2: is destroying the record and we won't know what goes on.
Speaker 2: That's how that works. Pretty cool. Huh, Well, who's playing
Speaker 2: Richard Nixon? Now Denver Mayor Michael Johnston, the guy who
Speaker 2: campaigned on being transparent. Thanks to Brian Moss at Channel seven,
Speaker 2: what a great, great report he did. As always on
Speaker 2: Mayor Michael Johnson and fourteen of his top advisors, appointees
Speaker 2: and lawyers nick named themselves Strikeforce. Pretty cool, Strikeforce, and
Speaker 2: communicated about the city's migrant crisis through an end to
Speaker 2: end encryption app. The app proceeded to automatically delete their conversations.
Speaker 2: This is Nixonian crapola three or three seven one, three
Speaker 2: eight two five five seven to one three talk. Now,
Speaker 2: remember the Colorado Open Records Law says that these type
Speaker 2: of communications must one be open to the public and
Speaker 2: two stick around for three years. That's the law unless
Speaker 2: you're doing something you don't want people to see. Now
Speaker 2: there's a difference. You see, Privacy is for the people,
Speaker 2: that's for you and me. Privacy transparency is for government.
Speaker 2: Transparency is so that we can see what they're doing
Speaker 2: and how they're doing it because they work for us.
Speaker 2: It makes some sense. So remember when when progressives get
Speaker 2: caught with their hands in the cookie jar or no
Speaker 2: matter what they do, they claim victimhood. That is the
Speaker 2: progressive operating system. Who's today's victim? What is the oppression?
Speaker 2: Who's being Just remember whenever you talk to a progressive,
Speaker 2: whenever you listen to national public radio, whenever you read
Speaker 2: the mainstream media, it's all the same theme. It's another
Speaker 2: somebody's done somebody wrong song. Who's the victim today? So
Speaker 2: when they get caught deleting their own messages in direct
Speaker 2: violation to Colorado law. They don't talk to the reporters.
Speaker 2: They don't talk to the reporters. So the mayor and
Speaker 2: his team did did not return calls from Brian Moss
Speaker 2: at Channel seven, but a spokesman did set out a
Speaker 2: message saying the signal messaging Signal is the name of
Speaker 2: the app, by the way, and it's a it's a
Speaker 2: great app. If you don't have it, you should, and
Speaker 2: the idea is to help keep your messages from being overheard.
Speaker 2: Spokesman for Johnson said the signal messaging was prompted by
Speaker 2: President Trump and how his administration could have significant impacts
Speaker 2: on how Denver operates. Uh yeah, okay, but that doesn't
Speaker 2: quite answer why you're keeping secrets from citizens and reporters
Speaker 2: and breaking the law three or three seven one three
Speaker 2: eight two seven one three talk help me with this one.
Speaker 2: So you say, well, you know we're we're having this
Speaker 2: battle with Donald Trump. Yeah, welcome to politics. What happens.
Speaker 2: A city has a beef with the state, a state
Speaker 2: has a beef with the feds. The Feds have a
Speaker 2: beef with everybody. Yeah, this is the machinery. This is
Speaker 2: the mess of politics. This is why we demand open records.
Speaker 2: This is why we demand to see what you're doing.
Speaker 2: This is Richard Nixon and I can't say the S word,
Speaker 2: but you know what I'm talking about. Getting back to
Speaker 2: Brian's story, the use of such messaging apps by government
Speaker 2: officials has been controversial and viewed as way to avoid
Speaker 2: public disclosure of government decision making. In Michigan after the
Speaker 2: State Police, After state police leaders were found in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty one to be using signal on state issued phones,
Speaker 2: lawmakers outlawed the use of encrypted messages. Steven Sandsberg is
Speaker 2: a guy I know. He's a First Amendment lawyer. He
Speaker 2: was interviewed pretty simple quote it's unlawful and it's breaking
Speaker 2: the law. That's it. That says it all. Another guy
Speaker 2: I worked with, Jeff Roberts of the Colorado Freedom of
Speaker 2: Information Coalition, characterized the what Channel seven found as an
Speaker 2: intentional effort to undermine Colorado's open records law. Yeah. Quote,
Speaker 2: it's not transparent. Let's listen to this one. According to
Speaker 2: Johnson's daily skill calendar obtained through open records request, on
Speaker 2: January fourteenth, he convened a strikeforce introduction meeting the following day,
Speaker 2: on the fifteenth of January, text messages obtained by CBS
Speaker 2: News Colorado via the Open Records Act shows Johnson's director
Speaker 2: of Strategic Initiatives that an identical message to multiple members
Speaker 2: of the administration. Quote, now they could see because it
Speaker 2: wasn't on an encrypted app and it wasn't set to
Speaker 2: self destruct like all the other ones, that we will
Speaker 2: never be able to see. Now, he said to his team,
Speaker 2: we are going to use signal to communicate with Strikeforce,
Speaker 2: so that communication remains encrypted and secure and messages auto delete.
Speaker 2: All right, So let me see if I got this
Speaker 2: and see if we can put this together. Mike Johnson
Speaker 2: and fourteen of his for the people we pay for,
Speaker 2: knowingly signed up to communicate in a way that is
Speaker 2: in direct violation with Colorado's open meetings law. Not one
Speaker 2: of them blew a whistle. Now one of them said, no,
Speaker 2: we cannot do this, guys, it's against Colorado open records law.
Speaker 2: None of them hmm. Hey, This director of Strategic Initiatives
Speaker 2: said that, uh. He sent staff members a link to
Speaker 2: download signal, saying, once that was done, I can add
Speaker 2: you to the group. All right, Do I need to
Speaker 2: take a breather here three O three seven one three
Speaker 2: eight two five five. I'm John KELDERA. I keep it
Speaker 2: right here. You're on six point thirty K how.
Speaker 3: And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2: It's after I'm John KELDERA. Give me a call three
Speaker 2: or three seven one three eight two five five. So
Speaker 2: right now is Sunshine Week? What is that you ask?
Speaker 2: Sunshine Week is March sixteenth through twenty second. It is
Speaker 2: a week that reporters and people who like transparency and
Speaker 2: government celebrate eat sunshine. It doesn't happen in Colorado's go
Speaker 2: back one year during Sunshine Week. The Colorado State Legislature,
Speaker 2: during Sunshine Week last year, passed a bill that the
Speaker 2: governor signed exempting itself from most of the open meetings law.
Speaker 2: Colorado has a law that says, when when government meets,
Speaker 2: when your elected officials meet to talk policy, they need
Speaker 2: they need to let you know, they need to allow
Speaker 2: people to watch it. They need to let people you
Speaker 2: know come and witness. And if they don't do that,
Speaker 2: they're breaking the law. It's called an open meeting. Otherwise
Speaker 2: all the decisions would be made in the back room.
Speaker 2: Well lo and behold the Colorado legislature doesn't like that.
Speaker 2: They just don't like it. So what did they do?
Speaker 2: They passed a law during Sunshine Week to exempt themselves
Speaker 2: from open meetings. Pretty spectacular, if you ask me, pretty spectacular. Now,
Speaker 2: there are about five thousand different governments in Colorado. These
Speaker 2: are small government's large governments, and all of them still
Speaker 2: have to operate under Colorado's open meetings law, but not
Speaker 2: the state legislature because they're special and we don't need
Speaker 2: to understand what they're doing. This week on Sunshine Week,
Speaker 2: Brian Moss was CBS Colorado finds out out that low
Speaker 2: and behold, our mayor is destroying open records. Our mayor
Speaker 2: is breaking the open meetings and Sunshine laws in the
Speaker 2: Colorado Open Records Act by having his communications disappear disappear.
Speaker 2: The city has confirmed that this Johnson group, fifteen of them,
Speaker 2: not one of them, stood up and said, mister Mayor,
Speaker 2: this is a legal We're not doing this. The city
Speaker 2: has confirmed that Johnson's group was auto deleting their internal messages.
Speaker 2: Mayor's spokesperson said the auto deletion went from January fifteenth
Speaker 2: to the twenty fourth, when they set it to retain messages.
Speaker 2: For get this. Four weeks, four week, No, no, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Three years, I believe is the law. Three years. Think
Speaker 2: about this. Every woman that I have sent a naughty
Speaker 2: text to or an inappropriate email, well that thing lives
Speaker 2: in the internet forever. My Gmail account goes all the
Speaker 2: way back to my very first email, which I'm sure
Speaker 2: was something like so what are you wearing? And it's
Speaker 2: still there. But these guys are destroying their messages after
Speaker 2: four weeks. The mayor's spokesperson says, Strikeforce Signal Group. That's
Speaker 2: what they call themselves, you know, when they get together
Speaker 2: and they have a little name for themselves, like Strikeforce
Speaker 2: instead of Keystone Cops. Ye know, they think highly of themselves. Anyway,
Speaker 2: he says, the group is still in use. When there
Speaker 2: are relative updates that impact Denver. What the hell does
Speaker 2: that mean? You're the mayor of Denver. These are your employees.
Speaker 2: Everything you talk about affects Denver. That's just the way
Speaker 2: that is. That means it means nothing, nothing, all right.
Speaker 2: So here's what the spokesman said. Now keep in mind
Speaker 2: they wouldn't talk in person or on camera. In a
Speaker 2: written statement, spokesman said the move to this disappearing encrypted
Speaker 2: app was because quote, when President Trump took office in January,
Speaker 2: it was clear that there would be rapidly changing and
Speaker 2: developing changes to the way the federal government interacts with cities,
Speaker 2: and that could have significant impacts on how Denver operates. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and what who cares? Does that mean? You get to
Speaker 2: go all full of Nixon and break the law? The
Speaker 2: particular group was started, he said in January for internal
Speaker 2: staff to easily keep track of and share information regarding
Speaker 2: federal actions that impact Denver under the new administration. Great
Speaker 2: sounds good to me. Don't hide it. Don't destroy government records.
Speaker 2: How's that for a simple, simple rule? Don't destroy government records.
Speaker 2: I don't want to hear from any of these people
Speaker 2: who hate Trump. How wait did Trump? Did Trump take
Speaker 2: government records? Did he destroy government records?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: I guess he's free to do so. The left now
Speaker 2: is happy, happy to destroy records. Excuzandsperg a First Amendment.
Speaker 2: It was unlawful. Breaking law deprives us as rights we
Speaker 2: have as color Radden's to observe the conduct of public business.
Speaker 2: What does this do to your faith's faith in our mayor.
Speaker 3: You're listening to the Dan Kapliss Show podcast.
Speaker 2: Really they're on the phone. I got empty lines here.
Speaker 2: Wait a second, there are no capitalist listeners. That's why
Speaker 2: you haven't called me at three h three seven one
Speaker 2: three eight two five five. Either that or you're just
Speaker 2: fine with your destroying government records. I mean, Johnson is
Speaker 2: a nice guy. I know the man. I like the guy.
Speaker 2: He is an affable, approachable guy. But he's had a
Speaker 2: lot of time at the Helm right now, and well,
Speaker 2: how to put this, I don't think he's done a
Speaker 2: really good job. There I said it. There it was.
Speaker 2: He has housed the homeless at great, great expense, but
Speaker 2: we're still a very unsafe city. And he can prattle
Speaker 2: on about how safe the city is, but we don't
Speaker 2: believe him. And he can spout numbers, but businesses are
Speaker 2: going out of business. Three hundred restaurants have gone out
Speaker 2: of business. People don't want to go downtown. Restaurants can't
Speaker 2: afford the huge minimum wage to make this stuff work.
Speaker 2: So so what does it mean? And now we find
Speaker 2: that we can't trust him? Or do you do you
Speaker 2: still trust the mayor knowing that he and fourteen of
Speaker 2: his closest employees we're just fine keeping secrets from you.
Speaker 2: Was that just dandy by you? I'm really curious three
Speaker 2: or three seven one three eight two five five seven
Speaker 2: one three talk. Let me see if I can find
Speaker 2: what I'm looking for here. Oh, give me a second,
Speaker 2: I'll find it. In the meantime, let's talk to Kevin. Kevin,
Speaker 2: welcome here with John Caldera. So glad to have you.
Speaker 4: Hey, how you doing today?
Speaker 2: I'm great? Thanks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So, you know, we can talk about until we're
Speaker 4: blue in the face about what he's doing. But when
Speaker 4: is when is law enforcement going to act on something?
Speaker 4: How do you mean, well, you say it's illegal, So
Speaker 4: wouldn't somebody like go after him and after the other fourteen?
Speaker 4: What's the deal there?
Speaker 2: What has what has happened is or what will happen
Speaker 2: is somebody will have to bring a legal case against him. Now,
Speaker 2: I remember when Governor Ritter tried to hide communications on
Speaker 2: his private cell phone. The Denver Post at that point
Speaker 2: took him, took him to task and got a court
Speaker 2: order that forced those records open. Somebody can sue let
Speaker 2: me finish the thoughts. Somebody can sue the Somebody can
Speaker 2: sue the city and get a court order. But we're
Speaker 2: never going to know what was on those texts because
Speaker 2: they've been automatically deleted. This is why we need to
Speaker 2: pass a law that prevents that and makes it clear
Speaker 2: it's unconstitutional. And you're right, somebody does need to bring
Speaker 2: this up legally and take them to task.
Speaker 4: Well where do we sign up?
Speaker 2: Well, there's a couple of great organizations. One is the
Speaker 2: Colorado Freedom of Information Coalition. They've got a wonderful open
Speaker 2: records handbook. You got to check it out. Steve Zansberg
Speaker 2: is a lawyer who does this kind of stuff. I
Speaker 2: will be talking with him to see if he is
Speaker 2: interested in doing that. But really what needs to happen
Speaker 2: is people need to get outraged. People need to get outraged,
Speaker 2: and I'm wondering maybe they're not. Why is it? Let
Speaker 2: me let me put it a different way. If this
Speaker 2: was a Republican destroying records and breaking the open records law,
Speaker 2: what do you think would happen?
Speaker 4: Impeach him, impeach him?
Speaker 2: I agree. I believe there is a complete double standard,
Speaker 2: and that's why this isn't that big of a deal.
Speaker 2: It's it's maddening.
Speaker 4: Go ahead, I got one, I got one. Thing to say.
Speaker 2: I'm listening and you hear me.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, Republicans out there, independent, you gott to grow
Speaker 4: a pair.
Speaker 2: What does that mean?
Speaker 4: Get a set of balls? Do something, get outraged?
Speaker 2: It's crazy. Well, what I'm looking for, I know what
Speaker 2: get a pair of means. Let me be more precise.
Speaker 2: What exactly do you think they should do? Be precise
Speaker 2: and not flippant.
Speaker 4: Okay, I'll be precise. Use your brain and do some
Speaker 4: research when you're at the voting box.
Speaker 2: And if they do, what will happen? Finish the equation
Speaker 2: for me?
Speaker 4: Well? Hopefully, hopefully things will turn out for the.
Speaker 2: All right, Hey, Kevin, thanks for the call, Have yourself
Speaker 2: a great afternoon. I believe what Kevin is trying to
Speaker 2: say is something like this. You know, we get what
Speaker 2: we vote in, and if we don't hold our politicians
Speaker 2: to a higher standard, particularly a legal standard, it's just
Speaker 2: going to destroy our democracy. We will lose trust. Let
Speaker 2: me put it in my terms, This state and most
Speaker 2: of our cities are run by people who think they
Speaker 2: are elites. They know what's right, and therefore it's fine
Speaker 2: for them to work in smoky back black rooms. Smoky
Speaker 2: back rooms. Why because we wouldn't understand it, we little simpleton.
Speaker 2: It's a good thing those elitists are there. And this
Speaker 2: is a perfect example. Michael Johnson who looked voters in
Speaker 2: the eyes and said, oh, we're going to have an
Speaker 2: open and transparent government in Colorado and in Denver, Well,
Speaker 2: that was a lie. His people are destroying records in
Speaker 2: direct violations of the law, and when CBS Colorad ask
Speaker 2: them about it, he wouldn't go on the record. Nobody
Speaker 2: went on camera to explain why it's okay to use
Speaker 2: encrypted apps except to say Trump bad. It was Trump bad.
Speaker 2: Why are you breaking because Trump's bad? And that means
Speaker 2: you get to break the law because our duly elected
Speaker 2: president you don't agree with his policies. Yeah, he's bad,
Speaker 2: He's really really bad. A year ago, our democratic state
Speaker 2: legislature did the same thing. They exempted themselves from open meetings.
Speaker 2: That means they no longer need to have their caucuses open.
Speaker 2: They can decide all of their votes behind closed doors
Speaker 2: and then go out into the Capitol, go to the well,
Speaker 2: vote the way they decided, and we don't get to
Speaker 2: see the sausage being made, We don't get to see
Speaker 2: the deals being cut. We don't know what they're doing
Speaker 2: to us. In the meantime, they keep throwing us more
Speaker 2: and more politically correct silliness. A friend of mine sent
Speaker 2: me this this femail. She said, these two slides that
Speaker 2: prefaced Mike Johnson's presentation about the bonds he wants to
Speaker 2: put on the November ballot. So they're gonna have a
Speaker 2: PowerPoint presentation to voters. And here here is what they
Speaker 2: first have to put out before we talk about anything.
Speaker 2: We're going to have a land acknowledgment. And they put
Speaker 2: up a slide, a PowerPoint slide on the screen and
Speaker 2: it says Land Acknowledgment. The City and County of Denver
Speaker 2: honors and acknowledges that the land on which we reside
Speaker 2: is the radish territory of the Ute, Cheyenne and Arapaho peoples.
Speaker 2: We also recognize the forty eight contemporary tribal nations that
Speaker 2: historically tied to the lands that make up the state
Speaker 2: of Colorado. We honor. It just keeps going on, this goofiness.
Speaker 2: We honor elders past, present and future, and those who
Speaker 2: have stewarded this land throughout generations. They have to recite
Speaker 2: all of this before they can get to anything like,
Speaker 2: excuse me, why are you destroying government records? We also
Speaker 2: recognize that government, academic, and cultural institutions were founded upon
Speaker 2: and continue to enact exclusions and erasures of indigenous peoples.
Speaker 2: Oh really, may this acknowledgment demonstrate a commitment to working
Speaker 2: to dismantle ongoing legacies of oppression and inequities and recognize
Speaker 2: the current and future contributions of indigenous communities in Denver?
Speaker 2: All right, so they want to dismantle ongoing legacies of oppression.
Speaker 2: You know what's a good legacy of oppression? Politicians keeping
Speaker 2: secrets and breaking the law and destroying records. That is
Speaker 2: a legacy of oppression that the mayor's administration, with his
Speaker 2: full knowledge and support, is doing. All right, So they
Speaker 2: give that, they give that slide. Then you think you're
Speaker 2: done all right? Now, can we get to this boring
Speaker 2: meeting and get to something done or do we have
Speaker 2: to waste everybody's time doing this? And then up comes
Speaker 2: another one? How about this one? Laborer acknowledgment? Labor acknowledgment,
Speaker 2: And then somebody's got to read this silliness. We acknowledge
Speaker 2: that our country's economy, infrastructure, and resulting generational wealth would
Speaker 2: not exist as they do today without the stolen and
Speaker 2: forced labor of enslaved Africans who suffered transatlantic human trafficking,
Speaker 2: chattel slavery, and Jim Crow. So let me see if
Speaker 2: I got this right. The same city that opened itself
Speaker 2: up to hoardes of illegal immigrants, many of them being trafficked,
Speaker 2: many of them being enslaved by Venezuelan gangs, is acknowledging
Speaker 2: the ugliness of slavery. And then they say we acknowledge
Speaker 2: how these dehumanizing policies have social, legal, and economic legacies
Speaker 2: that continue to haunt to this day. Now, personally, I
Speaker 2: love this kind of silliness. This is the kind of
Speaker 2: silliness that got Donald Trump elected. So please keep doing this,
Speaker 2: keep sending this stuff out. Go for it.
Speaker 3: And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2: WELDERA, Hey, I hope you check out the Independence inst shoot.
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Speaker 2: I was talking about the silly statements that they have
Speaker 2: to make before meetings. Now you have to go through
Speaker 2: your white guilt and doctrination. So if you're going to
Speaker 2: a meeting that the mayor is putting on. If there's
Speaker 2: a PowerPoint presentation, they will tell you how sorry they
Speaker 2: are that we're on Indian land and you just want
Speaker 2: to know, why are you trying to raise my taxes?
Speaker 2: And then then they make you feel guilty for slavery.
Speaker 2: We acknowledge that our country's economy, infrastructure, and resulting rational
Speaker 2: wealth would not exist as they do today without the
Speaker 2: stolen enforced labor of enslaved Africans. That is an assertion
Speaker 2: that is not proven. Yes, we can talk about the
Speaker 2: ugliness of slavery, the moral wrong of slavery, But to
Speaker 2: say that our industrialized nation wouldn't be this industrialized nation
Speaker 2: today if we didn't have backward slavery is something for
Speaker 2: academics to argue, not a statement a government needs to
Speaker 2: white guilt people. And oh, by the way, and I
Speaker 2: think this is the important part. And oh, by the way,
Speaker 2: Colorado fought on the Union side to end slavery. Let's
Speaker 2: just remember this. It's not Alabama, this is Colorado. Colorado.
Speaker 2: Lives were lost ending the ugliness of slavery. Should we
Speaker 2: celebrate those people who worked to end that awful institution?
Speaker 2: Is there any gratitude there? Well, there was in fact
Speaker 2: on the west steps of the state Capitol. For decades
Speaker 2: and decades and decades, as long as I can remember,
Speaker 2: we had a statue of a Union soldier to commemorate,
Speaker 2: to commemorate and honor our veterans of Colorado who gave
Speaker 2: their all in the Civil War. But during one of
Speaker 2: the Black Lives Matters riots, it was toppled and taken away.
Speaker 2: It is no longer there. So you know, we had
Speaker 2: this wonderful salute to the people who helped end slavery,
Speaker 2: who fought and paid with their own blood, their own lives.
Speaker 2: Doesn't matter because you're still supposed to be guilty. Now.
Speaker 2: These are the same people forced this stuff up on
Speaker 2: these presentations and we all have to sit there and
Speaker 2: roll our eyes and go, oh, so awful. Oh it's
Speaker 2: terrible being white. Oh, guilt, guilt, guilt, I feel so bad. Now,
Speaker 2: can we talk about how much you're taxing me? The
Speaker 2: mayor wants to go for another debt increase. This is
Speaker 2: a guy who who is destroying open records.
Speaker 3: Do you believe.
Speaker 2: The city government of Denver deserves that more of your money?
Speaker 2: Do you think the mayor is treating you with respect
Speaker 2: when he destroys open records when he breaks the law
Speaker 2: and has software packages that destroy his communications so they
Speaker 2: cannot be inspected, does that make you trust it. Let's
Speaker 2: break for news. I'm John Calderic. Keep it here.