Speaker 1: You see, something's going to happen.
Speaker 2: What what's gonna happen?
Speaker 1: Up? Everybody, Welcome to another Headless is Magical mail bag.
Speaker 1: I got my co host Nick with me. I gotta
Speaker 1: tell you Nick, your episode on Tycho brahe was just amazing.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: I really had it. I really had a great time
Speaker 2: actually making it. I thoroughly enjoyed that one for sure.
Speaker 1: I love how you got into the technical details as
Speaker 1: well as like his his wild, madcap sort of lifestyle
Speaker 1: as well. It's like this contrast to this guy is amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I even said at the beginning, I
Speaker 2: really wanted to give people like an idea of like
Speaker 2: what kind of funck like, like what was it like
Speaker 2: in the Renaissance life? And it's like those one of
Speaker 2: the fuckers were like, no, like weirder. I mean, they
Speaker 2: were just as weird as we are now. And and
Speaker 2: the thing is, like what I found interesting is like
Speaker 2: that stuff probably wasn't considered all that weird then, but yeah,
Speaker 2: for some reason it would be now to have like
Speaker 2: a to entertain a dwarf's channelings or you know, just
Speaker 2: like certain things. It was just interesting to show that
Speaker 2: that's what people entertained back then, and that's the links
Speaker 2: they went to try to figure out knowledge for truth.
Speaker 1: Well, you taught me something too. The drunken elk that
Speaker 1: fell down the stairs was actually a fucking moose.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, use.
Speaker 1: Isn't an elk. It's like five hundred pounds bigger, you know.
Speaker 2: It's fucking that's probably it probably fell and like crust
Speaker 2: its neck from the fall, like the weight on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's amazing. So he's just getting elk drunk in
Speaker 1: his castle and they just what they bulldozed his castles
Speaker 1: after he was gone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I was. I couldn't believe that too. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then eventually, like they read, did them to like
Speaker 2: reconstructed like a tiny bit. But yeah, it was like
Speaker 2: just like damn, like you just like you don't even
Speaker 2: want to try to repurpose that, like fuck the fuck?
Speaker 2: I mean, especially a place that was sucking up one
Speaker 2: percent of the country's budget, right.
Speaker 1: Well, I didn't know what they expected to get out
Speaker 1: of it. I mean, if they're funding all this stuff,
Speaker 1: like how exactly are they getting something back back then?
Speaker 1: But I guess there was a you know, thriving arts
Speaker 1: community and that was sort of like the arts, you know,
Speaker 1: and you had to have these noblemen who were contributing
Speaker 1: to the arts, and this this was his whole life,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean he was supposed to be going
Speaker 1: to school for lawyer or whatever, and he's just like, ah,
Speaker 1: let's put that aside and go back to the astronomy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's what's cool too. So he pulled
Speaker 2: that off, right, he was going for And then I
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, I think I'm going to do this fucking.
Speaker 1: Go on about Tycho all day. Why don't they have
Speaker 1: movies about him?
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, yo, right you could yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean even seriously, like his story would like make like
Speaker 2: almost like comical and like serious too, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like very entertaining. It could be very entertaining.
Speaker 1: Sure you call it a period piece, and you can
Speaker 1: just call it Tycho. And you've got all these scenes
Speaker 1: just in the trailer. I could see it now. He's
Speaker 1: getting his nose slashed, he's got elk falling down the stairs,
Speaker 1: he's got a midget coming out from under the table.
Speaker 1: It would be amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well for real, right, there's like so much to
Speaker 2: work with there. That's like a national Lampoon's movie come true,
Speaker 2: you know, like see you know, the storyline come true.
Speaker 1: There's so many characters in history that are just so
Speaker 1: ripe for you know, like making a movie out of it,
Speaker 1: really digging into the material and staying accurate to history
Speaker 1: as well, because there's so much stuff in there, you know.
Speaker 1: But I think one of the interesting things if we
Speaker 1: can get into the symbols that I'd like to see
Speaker 1: a movie of without the whole you know, video game aesthetic,
Speaker 1: would have to be the is Mahli. Right, So this
Speaker 1: is the Hashashians. If you've ever heard of the Assassins
Speaker 1: Guild was actually a real thing. And so in the
Speaker 1: Caspian Sea region of Iran from about ten thirty to
Speaker 1: the twelve hundreds, there was this group that was literally
Speaker 1: called the Assassins. They had a couple of castles, and
Speaker 1: their whole shtick was mind control and covert murder, right,
Speaker 1: And so the is Mali Assassins keep popping up throughout
Speaker 1: all of history, and I thought this was kind of appropriate,
Speaker 1: since you know, what we're going through is a country
Speaker 1: right now, maybe you should know your enemy a little bit.
Speaker 1: So this is how it works, right, What they do
Speaker 1: is they brainwash people into murdering prominent individuals, and this
Speaker 1: was their main method of operations. So they would be
Speaker 1: contracted out to surrounding kingdoms and they worked a lot
Speaker 1: with the Knights Templar as well. These guys had a
Speaker 1: very complex relationship politically with their rivals and other gangs
Speaker 1: that basically, you know, amounted to a kind of drugged
Speaker 1: out mk Ultra before mk Ultra program that I think
Speaker 1: really stands the test of time as an example for
Speaker 1: people who are just bloodthirsty and power hungry. So if
Speaker 1: you want to get them out of the way, you
Speaker 1: better hire an assassin from the assassins guilled and you know,
Speaker 1: maybe they would leave calling cards behind. I know that
Speaker 1: was the idea. You wanted to let everybody know that
Speaker 1: we're the assassins, you can't touch us, and we're going
Speaker 1: to murder you. So maybe they would use number like
Speaker 1: thirty three, maybe over and over again, thirty three all
Speaker 1: the time, just to let everybody know, hey, it was
Speaker 1: us that did that, like.
Speaker 2: They do now in the news.
Speaker 1: There you go. So I think if they did have
Speaker 1: this intimate connection with the Templars, there might be something
Speaker 1: to say about what then became the you know Freemasons,
Speaker 1: why they use this thirty three number over and over, right,
Speaker 1: So the complex relationships that they had carried on in spirit,
Speaker 1: maybe not just the people. So the way that the
Speaker 1: assassins would work is they would take slaves off the
Speaker 1: street brainwash them into This is the Marco Polo rendition, right.
Speaker 1: So Marco Polo said what they would do is they
Speaker 1: would kidnap a slave off the street and then they
Speaker 1: would say that, you know, we have a way for
Speaker 1: you to see paradise, and they would get them all
Speaker 1: drugged up. This is where the idea of hash comes in, right.
Speaker 1: So hash is you know this, you know, marijuana oil
Speaker 1: that they would drug these people with until they were
Speaker 1: in kind of a stupor right, really powerful, uh, marijuana oil.
Speaker 1: And so they would take them to these castles and
Speaker 1: the courtyards of the castles would be filled with all
Speaker 1: these women and they would say, you know all this
Speaker 1: stuff in the Koran, you're looking at paradise right now.
Speaker 1: And they'd be all drugged up and then they knock
Speaker 1: them out again and be like, look, all you have
Speaker 1: to do to get to paradise is to fulfill the
Speaker 1: mission that we've given you. And go kill your master, right,
Speaker 1: do it in front of everybody, and then kill yourself
Speaker 1: and then you'll be right back here. You know. Obviously
Speaker 1: it was you know, not said it was a real place,
Speaker 1: but it was more like a spiritual place. And so
Speaker 1: Marco Polo's relating the story of the assassins where they
Speaker 1: would drug people, tell them that they're going to a
Speaker 1: better place, and then get them to kill somebody. And
Speaker 1: in the story Marco Polo, he went to one of
Speaker 1: these castles and the king there told all of his
Speaker 1: servants to climb up on the walls. And then as
Speaker 1: soon as he gave the orders, all those servants just
Speaker 1: jumped off the walls. He killed themselves immediately because they
Speaker 1: were brainwashed into this sort of thing. And he also
Speaker 1: used stage magic, a little bit brutal stage magic. By
Speaker 1: the way, this is what comes through Bill Cooper in
Speaker 1: his Mystery Babylon series. So he covered a lot of
Speaker 1: this extensively. And he said that the king would take
Speaker 1: a hollowed out crate or like a hollowed out floor
Speaker 1: and then put somebody inside of it and then tell
Speaker 1: all of his guests or his servants that he has
Speaker 1: the ability to reanimate dead material, and so they would
Speaker 1: all come in and look at this head, and the
Speaker 1: head would start prophesying it was a guy in the floor,
Speaker 1: and then after the prophecy was over, he would chop
Speaker 1: the head off just to prove to everybody that was
Speaker 1: already dead or something like that. Right, So this whole
Speaker 1: thing was sort of like a stage magic kind of
Speaker 1: set up. Now he can show he can reanimate matter
Speaker 1: and everything else. So there's a lot of interesting factors
Speaker 1: in what goes into the Ishmaeli and what we see
Speaker 1: as our popular narratives in society right now is we're
Speaker 1: kind of given this whole stage magic and then we
Speaker 1: you know, dissect that stage magic. We find that it's
Speaker 1: full of holes. But then we're giving in given another
Speaker 1: narrative to sort of fill in for the holes, and
Speaker 1: then give it another narrative. But we're not actually given
Speaker 1: the actual evidence or the truth that can allow us
Speaker 1: to have that mental freedom of knowing what actually happened.
Speaker 1: So that's that's my symbol. The hash Ashians Guild seal
Speaker 1: I have never heard of that before. Check them out Ishmali.
Speaker 1: It's spe well, so you can look it up. It
Speaker 1: is all right. So this is also Persian and Romanized
Speaker 1: and all sorts of other stuff. I s m a apostrophe,
Speaker 1: I l i ishma'li. Right, that's the Persian version and
Speaker 1: it was founded by Hassan el Sabah ten Ad. So yeah,
Speaker 1: check it out, start tracking it through history. Check out
Speaker 1: Bill Cooper's Mystery Babylon if you really want to get
Speaker 1: deep into the history. He sort of goes goes into
Speaker 1: it a lot. But you know the ah what's it called,
Speaker 1: the Shriners. Yeah, yeah, big Hashashian roots in the Shriners
Speaker 1: big time. That's an inner order of the Freemasons. So
Speaker 1: it's like, what are a bunch of white people doing
Speaker 1: going around with fezes and all of this Middle Eastern aesthetic.
Speaker 1: That's kind of where they're getting it from, is like,
Speaker 1: we're the League of Assassins. So the idea that they're
Speaker 1: wearing the red fez is kind of interesting because that
Speaker 1: was kind of a a propaganda tool for the Europeans.
Speaker 1: They said that the Turks would dip their fezes in
Speaker 1: European blood, that's why they have the red fezzes. And
Speaker 1: then you got all these people who are related to
Speaker 1: the assassins all over the United States and they're just say, oh,
Speaker 1: it's just an aesthetic thing, is it.
Speaker 2: It's kind of strange you think most of these people
Speaker 2: that have done this, these outfits and where this should
Speaker 2: have no idea what the fucking means.
Speaker 1: Kind of like assassin.
Speaker 2: Slaves whatever, good old boys story. Somebody tells them, they'll think, oh,
Speaker 2: that sounds great.
Speaker 1: I'll go with that, right, because they're just joining a
Speaker 1: social club exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So let's see what did you What did you
Speaker 1: bring us today?
Speaker 2: That looks curial ring?
Speaker 1: All right? What we got here?
Speaker 2: This is a mercurial ring, a Nilo d mercurio from
Speaker 2: Alfonso the tenth Libro Libro d Astromagia. It's a thirteenth
Speaker 2: century talismanic ring design tied to the planet Mercury. Depicted
Speaker 2: in the Spanish astromagical compilation known as the Libro d
Speaker 2: Astromagia Book of Astromagic Surviving Miniatures, which is those little
Speaker 2: drawing things, show a magician empowered by Mercury. One image
Speaker 2: even labels the scene a Nilo d mercurio and depicts
Speaker 2: the spirit appearing as a writer or a on a
Speaker 2: winged elephant while the practitioner works within a ritual rectangle
Speaker 2: and where does it? A first show up in this book,
Speaker 2: and that is in the late twelve seventies early twelve eighties.
Speaker 2: The only manuscript is in the Vatican Library.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Contemporary and later inventories describe its contents as one fourteenth
Speaker 2: century French library note even its contents one fourteenth French
Speaker 2: library note even mentions the closing rubric as ortro anilo
Speaker 2: d mercurial another ring of mercury, confirming multiple mercurial ring
Speaker 2: recipes or figures in the book. The manuscript circulated in
Speaker 2: France and ultimately entered the Vatican Collection, where it was
Speaker 2: rediscovered for scholarship in nineteen eleven. Where have you seen it?
Speaker 2: Whereas it used historically again it's part of a broader
Speaker 2: astronomical program alongside with Libro d last forms a whole
Speaker 2: bunch of other words, and it also a lot of time.
Speaker 2: It also gets like paired up with stuff from the Pikatrix.
Speaker 2: It's also kind of logged among astronomy and astrology books
Speaker 2: with painted figures, later owned by collectors like Paul Pateau
Speaker 2: before entering Before entering Queen Christina of Sweden's library and
Speaker 2: then the Vatican, the work is presented today in facsimiles
Speaker 2: and overviews. It's then you know, because there's really no
Speaker 2: books around what it means. In medieval magic image magic,
Speaker 2: mercury governs, eloquence, memory, learning, craft, and clever negotiation. The
Speaker 2: mercurial ring is a wearable talisman meant to capture mercurial
Speaker 2: influence at a chosen astrological moment. Alfonso's images directly parallel
Speaker 2: Pikatrix style instructions for planetary rings and talismans. There's times
Speaker 2: to work with mercury and stuff like that. They're also
Speaker 2: engrave in inscribe appropriate characters and images, And this is
Speaker 2: another one where they I think I had mentioned this
Speaker 2: one other time. In this one, it is mentioned to
Speaker 2: fumigate with subtle aromatics and consecrate with invocations. Some astromagica
Speaker 2: scenes even specify conditions like mercury and libre and show
Speaker 2: an angel handle handing the ring to the image again
Speaker 2: like how it was used in a ritual. Again, they
Speaker 2: would use those those like miniatures, and the magician would
Speaker 2: stand within a magic rectangle and they would fumigate and
Speaker 2: they would do their invocation. But there is also again
Speaker 2: that protective boundary that they use as a rectangle in
Speaker 2: this one. I know I've mentioned that before with them
Speaker 2: doing that with solemonic magic. It's suggested here too, so uh,
Speaker 2: and it says the manifestation of the mercurial spirits sometimes
Speaker 2: mounted during the act of empowering the ring. This visual
Speaker 2: program matches textual traditions of celestial magic, where images prison elected, timing,
Speaker 2: draw down, planetary influence into metal, so pretty much making
Speaker 2: a talisman.
Speaker 1: And really interesting image. I think the whole rectangle thing
Speaker 1: has gotten me kind of interested because it looks like
Speaker 1: he's standing in front of a portal, right, and so
Speaker 1: he's supposed to be the magician on the rectangle, and
Speaker 1: he's sort of existing outside of time, and then mercury
Speaker 1: is coming in sort of from the world. So this
Speaker 1: guy is sort of separating himself out so that he
Speaker 1: could enchant this ring. Is there an incantation or anything
Speaker 1: that goes along with this image or is it just
Speaker 1: the image?
Speaker 2: I couldn't get that.
Speaker 1: Actually, it's amazing. So all of these magical manuscripts right
Speaker 1: have so many holes in them. It's hard not to
Speaker 1: think that they might be deliberate, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, sections missing and all the rest of this stuff.
Speaker 1: Maybe that is deliberate. Maybe there is a lot more
Speaker 1: to this stuff that we know, and that's why it's
Speaker 1: so incomplete to the general public.
Speaker 2: He can rip off one little piece and be missing
Speaker 2: some missing whole piece. You know what I'm saying. You
Speaker 2: can screw a lot of things up if you're trying
Speaker 2: to understand it could be the key, yeah exactly, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I agree with that.
Speaker 1: But I like, I like the medieval style on this.
Speaker 1: It's a it's interesting that he's riding a chimeric elephant.
Speaker 1: I've never seen elephants being associated with mercury. It's usually
Speaker 1: you know, you think about fast animals and you know,
Speaker 1: animals that go between realms and stuff like that. But
Speaker 1: elephant with wings, that's a new one. And what kind
Speaker 1: of feet are those? Is that like lion's feet looks
Speaker 1: kind of like a like his back legs. You see that? Please?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know what? Oh, I don't know, you
Speaker 2: know what? They almost look like to me? Uh like
Speaker 2: the when I was in Nashville, it was it Nashville, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was Nashville. When I filmed the one of the
Speaker 2: things in front of the Mason buildings, the legs of
Speaker 2: it were like lion legs and they kind of had
Speaker 2: like those big front poles like that, because it definitely
Speaker 2: doesn't look like the front of the elephant. I don't know,
Speaker 2: it looks different.
Speaker 1: What's got the stripes? And the stripes kind of make
Speaker 1: me think zebra?
Speaker 2: Yeah right, I don't know.
Speaker 1: And the wings, Yeah, there's something to it that it's
Speaker 1: a chimera. That's not exactly immediately obvious, but you definitely
Speaker 1: see the wings. And is that is that an altar
Speaker 1: below him? That's what I was wondering, because again you're
Speaker 1: talking about the fumigation.
Speaker 2: That's what I was like wondering if that's like the
Speaker 2: inceinsburner like the things, Yeah, the fire to fumigate with. Right, Interesting,
Speaker 2: I have a star up there.
Speaker 1: Too, right, Well, you know, I assume it has something
Speaker 1: to do with the planetary time, because that's that's big.
Speaker 1: When it comes to charging the metals and stuff. You
Speaker 1: have to do it at certain times, yeah, which is
Speaker 1: why you know, let's face it, Tycho was probably really
Speaker 1: sought after by a bunch of you know, magic practitioners
Speaker 1: because he had everything down to the arc second right
Speaker 1: within zero zero one percent of you know, that's a
Speaker 1: lot of predictive power. Yeah, so magicians would definitely be
Speaker 1: drawn to that.
Speaker 2: Let me think. I think, oh right, that's my that's
Speaker 2: my image sticking to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's see. So I got more from
Speaker 1: Winter York.
Speaker 2: We hit the vave for this one. Yeah, yeah, this
Speaker 2: might be like a season.
Speaker 1: We could do a whole season. Yeah all right. Oh,
Speaker 1: it always spits me right up to the top. You know,
Speaker 1: I gotta do this on a different thing. All right,
Speaker 1: this one is labeled one last One. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: if this should even be played on air. Oh jeez,
Speaker 1: this is probably the scariest thing that happened to me,
Speaker 1: and it was recorded. I'll just start from the very
Speaker 1: start of this energy. I was living in New Hampshire
Speaker 1: with my grandma, as i'd left my kid's dad over
Speaker 1: that horrific roommate. My son was three years old and
Speaker 1: we had a doctor's appointment in the late afternoon during
Speaker 1: a snowstorm. While waiting for the nurse to come back
Speaker 1: into the room, everything was very quiet. My son asked me,
Speaker 1: what's that noise. I stopped and listened, and because I
Speaker 1: wasn't hearing anything. But it turns out it was the
Speaker 1: ticking second hand of the clock on the wall. I
Speaker 1: started to explain the hands of the clock to him
Speaker 1: when I noticed it was stuck. The clock was stuck
Speaker 1: at ten forty. It was at ten forty. It was
Speaker 1: like two pm. Then the nurse came in and she
Speaker 1: shut the door and took two steps. When the clock
Speaker 1: didn't drop from the wall, it flung out from the
Speaker 1: wall and glass shattered. We got my son's shoes back
Speaker 1: on and went to a different room, but the nurse
Speaker 1: found this strange. Anyway. After the appointment and the horrible
Speaker 1: blizzard driving home, we both took a nap. Now in
Speaker 1: this dream, I was in the basement where the laundry is,
Speaker 1: and suddenly there were these giant black spiders everywhere. Then
Speaker 1: in the corner of the old unused shower, next to
Speaker 1: the washing machine, there was this tiny creature. It had
Speaker 1: the energy of a god. Though Taicho, a little dwarf.
Speaker 1: I forgot his name. I keep forgetting to jet Be.
Speaker 1: There was Jetpe coming up from the table. He looked
Speaker 1: like a man from the waist up, but he was
Speaker 1: all red with horns, and he had arms crossed, but
Speaker 1: his body was like a spider. Crab. It was like
Speaker 1: a hard shell. The message was, let me tell you
Speaker 1: how it is. Next. In the dream, I was upstairs
Speaker 1: holding my laundry, but I was thinking, I can't go
Speaker 1: down there. There's a demon in my basement. And then
Speaker 1: this thought came in loud and clear. My son needs
Speaker 1: clean clothes and I need clean underwear. Who cares about
Speaker 1: the demon in the basement? Face your fears. So I
Speaker 1: went back down to the basement and above the washing machine,
Speaker 1: where there was normally a wall, there was a hole
Speaker 1: into a bunch of tunnels. I watched this crab spider
Speaker 1: creature lead a man who is dressed in a white
Speaker 1: robe holding a lantern to physical treasure. I looked down
Speaker 1: to my side and I saw a child. I knew
Speaker 1: this man's child left behind, and I reached out to
Speaker 1: give him a hug. When I woke up, the tapping
Speaker 1: of the spider crab legs turned out to be the
Speaker 1: tapping of sleet hitting my window. At this point, I thought, well,
Speaker 1: another weird dream. But here's the thing. While they were
Speaker 1: in that office doing the appointment, it was the ticking
Speaker 1: sound that the kid was asking about. So it's the
Speaker 1: ticking sound of the window ticking, sound of the office,
Speaker 1: and you've got that explosion. It's weird. Still got to
Speaker 1: go make dinner. I guess this is my life now.
Speaker 1: It dawned on me because at this point I was
Speaker 1: looking into the tarot and realized that the figure being
Speaker 1: led looked like the hermit car. Following this, I started
Speaker 1: to try and figure out if this thing was represented
Speaker 1: in occultism, and the closest I could find was bald,
Speaker 1: except there were no cats or frogs, So I don't
Speaker 1: know now in the death tree belly all can be
Speaker 1: like a crab I found in this one sort. I
Speaker 1: don't even know if that matters, because after that, I
Speaker 1: was playing taxi to my mom and her current boyfriend
Speaker 1: to a concert. She had no time for us, but
Speaker 1: needed a ride to the concert. After she got out
Speaker 1: of the car, my son started crying that he wanted
Speaker 1: to spend time with his granny and that in that moment,
Speaker 1: I looked back at him and saw the tears rolling
Speaker 1: down his face and saw myself as a child doing
Speaker 1: the same thing. It was as if time was standing still,
Speaker 1: and I realized it wasn't me. I deep down blamed myself,
Speaker 1: sabotaged myself and was destroying myself on a lie that
Speaker 1: it was all my fault, that my mom wasn't around.
Speaker 1: My whole life and self dialogue was bullshit. A volcanic
Speaker 1: rage started rising up and it went on for weeks.
Speaker 1: While I worked my way through this, the lost possibilities
Speaker 1: and unnecessary pain and memories, I was shaking with pure
Speaker 1: anger at times and purging a whole lifetime of crap
Speaker 1: I had buried now. I ended up moving back to
Speaker 1: Arizona a few months after, as I was already experimenting
Speaker 1: in communication changes with my kid's dad and it was working.
Speaker 1: This whole thing happened in July. In October, I get
Speaker 1: a message from my mom that she found a video
Speaker 1: in a hidden file on her phone that she didn't
Speaker 1: know existed. This video was recorded last July, not by her.
Speaker 1: She must have had accidentally hit the record button on
Speaker 1: her phone while it was in her pocket when she
Speaker 1: found it. It was eighteen minutes long and it started
Speaker 1: out with her talking to another coworker, and once she
Speaker 1: was doing trash by herself. She works third shift at
Speaker 1: a rehabilitation center in LNA. This deep vibrational voice type
Speaker 1: thing came through. She never heard it at the time,
Speaker 1: but this video creeped her out. She thought maybe it
Speaker 1: was connected to one of the patients, but she realized
Speaker 1: it was going up and down many floors, and it
Speaker 1: moved and stayed with her. The next day, the video
Speaker 1: moved itself from her hidden files to her regular camera
Speaker 1: files and added time. Now the video is fifty six
Speaker 1: minutes and thirty three seconds. It begins with her talking
Speaker 1: to people, and this awful voice starts as soon as
Speaker 1: she's alone and ends when she's back around her coworkers,
Speaker 1: and the recording ends itself. My thoughts are, this isn't
Speaker 1: a demon in the external sense of things, although it
Speaker 1: sounded like one. I think this was an energetic energy
Speaker 1: going back to the source from whence it came. Was
Speaker 1: really fucking creepy, though, And the only one person has
Speaker 1: heard it for more than four seconds before they say, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's enough, too creepy, that's awful. I can be wrong
Speaker 1: in the energetic energy, but what demon? What is a
Speaker 1: demon really an energetic energy? Maybe I was holding on
Speaker 1: to lies that built up and created its own form that,
Speaker 1: once recognized, moved to the next person who needs to
Speaker 1: deal with it because it wasn't mine to be hold
Speaker 1: on to it. I'll send over the recording if you
Speaker 1: want to hear it on a different email. This is
Speaker 1: as my phone and laptop are not connected. But this
Speaker 1: whole situation was creepy as hell. And also, if I suspect,
Speaker 1: I would have extra careful on how I direct my
Speaker 1: thoughts and emotions because it can affect another possibility. One
Speaker 1: more thing. The person that helped me out the most
Speaker 1: was David Block, who is a regular on aon byte
Speaker 1: Gnostic Radio. He did an episode I think she was
Speaker 1: talking to you about getting him on. He did an
Speaker 1: episode on My Life that I emailed him desperately looking
Speaker 1: for help, and he responded and spent hours, on multiple
Speaker 1: occasions helping me identify the symbology and where it fell
Speaker 1: on the tree. He didn't ask for anything. He was
Speaker 1: just helping me out out of the kindness of his heart.
Speaker 1: And he might be a good guest sometime. That should
Speaker 1: be it for a while. I'm not trying to hijack
Speaker 1: your mailbag. I wish you would. I love your letters,
Speaker 1: Winter York.
Speaker 2: That's recording next week.
Speaker 1: No, it's in there, Yeah, it's in there. I just uh,
Speaker 1: it's probably gonna take some formata. Yeah yeah, we'll do
Speaker 1: it next week till you show it next week.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. Also we can follow up with this. Oh
Speaker 2: this is great.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, keep it coming with your Absolutely we want more
Speaker 1: of that stuff. And if you have, you know, your
Speaker 1: own sort of experiences, however small they may be, maybe
Speaker 1: they're dreams, maybe there's a cult, whatever, just send them
Speaker 1: to me. We'll read them and we'll have fun. We
Speaker 1: even read read JJ's emails which were totally nonsensical and
Speaker 1: bash that's true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. Yeah yeah. And if you want free stickers,
Speaker 2: you want free stickers, let me know.
Speaker 1: Your address in there, and I will not read your
Speaker 1: address on air, but I really set it over to
Speaker 1: Nick to get those stickers in it.
Speaker 2: Winter, if you if you hear us, hit me up
Speaker 2: and send me yeah address and I'll throw you some stickers.
Speaker 1: Please sure. And you know, if if she wants, if
Speaker 1: she's listening now, we'd love to have her on the air.
Speaker 1: If she could be on there while we're playing the video,
Speaker 1: that would be an amazing episode. So Winter, definitely hit
Speaker 1: us up. See if we can get you on. I
Speaker 1: think that would be an amazing episode.
Speaker 2: Oh hell yeah, yeah, well, probably have it on a
Speaker 2: few times, right, Yeah, keep it for sure. You don't
Speaker 2: like this for sure? Yeah.
Speaker 1: So this has been Headless's magical man bag. Thank you
Speaker 1: for joining us, everybody, Symbolic Studies. I'll see you in there.
Speaker 1: Thank you, chat and uh we'll see you again next time.