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<v Speaker 1>You see, something's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>What what's gonna happen?

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<v Speaker 1>Up? Everybody, Welcome to another Headless is Magical mail bag.

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<v Speaker 1>I got my co host Nick with me. I gotta

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<v Speaker 1>tell you Nick, your episode on Tycho brahe was just amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>I really had it. I really had a great time

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<v Speaker 2>actually making it. I thoroughly enjoyed that one for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>I love how you got into the technical details as

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<v Speaker 1>well as like his his wild, madcap sort of lifestyle

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<v Speaker 1>as well. It's like this contrast to this guy is amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's why I even said at the beginning, I

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<v Speaker 2>really wanted to give people like an idea of like

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<v Speaker 2>what kind of funck like, like what was it like

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<v Speaker 2>in the Renaissance life? And it's like those one of

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<v Speaker 2>the fuckers were like, no, like weirder. I mean, they

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<v Speaker 2>were just as weird as we are now. And and

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<v Speaker 2>the thing is, like what I found interesting is like

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<v Speaker 2>that stuff probably wasn't considered all that weird then, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>for some reason it would be now to have like

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<v Speaker 2>a to entertain a dwarf's channelings or you know, just

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<v Speaker 2>like certain things. It was just interesting to show that

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<v Speaker 2>that's what people entertained back then, and that's the links

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<v Speaker 2>they went to try to figure out knowledge for truth.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you taught me something too. The drunken elk that

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<v Speaker 1>fell down the stairs was actually a fucking moose.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, use.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't an elk. It's like five hundred pounds bigger, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's fucking that's probably it probably fell and like crust

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<v Speaker 2>its neck from the fall, like the weight on it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's amazing. So he's just getting elk drunk in

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<v Speaker 1>his castle and they just what they bulldozed his castles

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<v Speaker 1>after he was gone.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I was. I couldn't believe that too. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And then eventually, like they read, did them to like

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<v Speaker 2>reconstructed like a tiny bit. But yeah, it was like

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<v Speaker 2>just like damn, like you just like you don't even

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<v Speaker 2>want to try to repurpose that, like fuck the fuck?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, especially a place that was sucking up one

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<v Speaker 2>percent of the country's budget, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I didn't know what they expected to get out

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<v Speaker 1>of it. I mean, if they're funding all this stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>like how exactly are they getting something back back then?

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<v Speaker 1>But I guess there was a you know, thriving arts

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<v Speaker 1>community and that was sort of like the arts, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and you had to have these noblemen who were contributing

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<v Speaker 1>to the arts, and this this was his whole life,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. I mean he was supposed to be going

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<v Speaker 1>to school for lawyer or whatever, and he's just like, ah,

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<v Speaker 1>let's put that aside and go back to the astronomy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that's what's cool too. So he pulled

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<v Speaker 2>that off, right, he was going for And then I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, yeah, I think I'm going to do this fucking.

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<v Speaker 1>Go on about Tycho all day. Why don't they have

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<v Speaker 1>movies about him?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, come on, yo, right you could yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean even seriously, like his story would like make like

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<v Speaker 2>almost like comical and like serious too, you know what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying, Like very entertaining. It could be very entertaining.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure you call it a period piece, and you can

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<v Speaker 1>just call it Tycho. And you've got all these scenes

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<v Speaker 1>just in the trailer. I could see it now. He's

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<v Speaker 1>getting his nose slashed, he's got elk falling down the stairs,

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<v Speaker 1>he's got a midget coming out from under the table.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well for real, right, there's like so much to

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<v Speaker 2>work with there. That's like a national Lampoon's movie come true,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like see you know, the storyline come true.

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<v Speaker 1>There's so many characters in history that are just so

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<v Speaker 1>ripe for you know, like making a movie out of it,

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<v Speaker 1>really digging into the material and staying accurate to history

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<v Speaker 1>as well, because there's so much stuff in there, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think one of the interesting things if we

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<v Speaker 1>can get into the symbols that I'd like to see

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<v Speaker 1>a movie of without the whole you know, video game aesthetic,

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<v Speaker 1>would have to be the is Mahli. Right, So this

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<v Speaker 1>is the Hashashians. If you've ever heard of the Assassins

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<v Speaker 1>Guild was actually a real thing. And so in the

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<v Speaker 1>Caspian Sea region of Iran from about ten thirty to

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<v Speaker 1>the twelve hundreds, there was this group that was literally

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<v Speaker 1>called the Assassins. They had a couple of castles, and

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<v Speaker 1>their whole shtick was mind control and covert murder, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And so the is Mali Assassins keep popping up throughout

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<v Speaker 1>all of history, and I thought this was kind of appropriate,

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<v Speaker 1>since you know, what we're going through is a country

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<v Speaker 1>right now, maybe you should know your enemy a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is how it works, right, What they do

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<v Speaker 1>is they brainwash people into murdering prominent individuals, and this

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<v Speaker 1>was their main method of operations. So they would be

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<v Speaker 1>contracted out to surrounding kingdoms and they worked a lot

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<v Speaker 1>with the Knights Templar as well. These guys had a

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<v Speaker 1>very complex relationship politically with their rivals and other gangs

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<v Speaker 1>that basically, you know, amounted to a kind of drugged

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<v Speaker 1>out mk Ultra before mk Ultra program that I think

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<v Speaker 1>really stands the test of time as an example for

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<v Speaker 1>people who are just bloodthirsty and power hungry. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you want to get them out of the way, you

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<v Speaker 1>better hire an assassin from the assassins guilled and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe they would leave calling cards behind. I know that

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<v Speaker 1>was the idea. You wanted to let everybody know that

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<v Speaker 1>we're the assassins, you can't touch us, and we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to murder you. So maybe they would use number like

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<v Speaker 1>thirty three, maybe over and over again, thirty three all

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<v Speaker 1>the time, just to let everybody know, hey, it was

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<v Speaker 1>us that did that, like.

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<v Speaker 2>They do now in the news.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go. So I think if they did have

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<v Speaker 1>this intimate connection with the Templars, there might be something

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<v Speaker 1>to say about what then became the you know Freemasons,

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<v Speaker 1>why they use this thirty three number over and over, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So the complex relationships that they had carried on in spirit,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe not just the people. So the way that the

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<v Speaker 1>assassins would work is they would take slaves off the

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<v Speaker 1>street brainwash them into This is the Marco Polo rendition, right.

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<v Speaker 1>So Marco Polo said what they would do is they

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<v Speaker 1>would kidnap a slave off the street and then they

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<v Speaker 1>would say that, you know, we have a way for

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<v Speaker 1>you to see paradise, and they would get them all

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<v Speaker 1>drugged up. This is where the idea of hash comes in, right.

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<v Speaker 1>So hash is you know this, you know, marijuana oil

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<v Speaker 1>that they would drug these people with until they were

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<v Speaker 1>in kind of a stupor right, really powerful, uh, marijuana oil.

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<v Speaker 1>And so they would take them to these castles and

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<v Speaker 1>the courtyards of the castles would be filled with all

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<v Speaker 1>these women and they would say, you know all this

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<v Speaker 1>stuff in the Koran, you're looking at paradise right now.

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<v Speaker 1>And they'd be all drugged up and then they knock

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<v Speaker 1>them out again and be like, look, all you have

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<v Speaker 1>to do to get to paradise is to fulfill the

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<v Speaker 1>mission that we've given you. And go kill your master, right,

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<v Speaker 1>do it in front of everybody, and then kill yourself

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<v Speaker 1>and then you'll be right back here. You know. Obviously

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<v Speaker 1>it was you know, not said it was a real place,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was more like a spiritual place. And so

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<v Speaker 1>Marco Polo's relating the story of the assassins where they

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<v Speaker 1>would drug people, tell them that they're going to a

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<v Speaker 1>better place, and then get them to kill somebody. And

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<v Speaker 1>in the story Marco Polo, he went to one of

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<v Speaker 1>these castles and the king there told all of his

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<v Speaker 1>servants to climb up on the walls. And then as

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<v Speaker 1>soon as he gave the orders, all those servants just

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<v Speaker 1>jumped off the walls. He killed themselves immediately because they

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<v Speaker 1>were brainwashed into this sort of thing. And he also

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<v Speaker 1>used stage magic, a little bit brutal stage magic. By

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<v Speaker 1>the way, this is what comes through Bill Cooper in

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<v Speaker 1>his Mystery Babylon series. So he covered a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>this extensively. And he said that the king would take

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<v Speaker 1>a hollowed out crate or like a hollowed out floor

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<v Speaker 1>and then put somebody inside of it and then tell

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<v Speaker 1>all of his guests or his servants that he has

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<v Speaker 1>the ability to reanimate dead material, and so they would

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<v Speaker 1>all come in and look at this head, and the

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<v Speaker 1>head would start prophesying it was a guy in the floor,

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<v Speaker 1>and then after the prophecy was over, he would chop

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<v Speaker 1>the head off just to prove to everybody that was

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<v Speaker 1>already dead or something like that. Right, So this whole

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<v Speaker 1>thing was sort of like a stage magic kind of

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<v Speaker 1>set up. Now he can show he can reanimate matter

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<v Speaker 1>and everything else. So there's a lot of interesting factors

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<v Speaker 1>in what goes into the Ishmaeli and what we see

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<v Speaker 1>as our popular narratives in society right now is we're

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<v Speaker 1>kind of given this whole stage magic and then we

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<v Speaker 1>you know, dissect that stage magic. We find that it's

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<v Speaker 1>full of holes. But then we're giving in given another

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<v Speaker 1>narrative to sort of fill in for the holes, and

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<v Speaker 1>then give it another narrative. But we're not actually given

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<v Speaker 1>the actual evidence or the truth that can allow us

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<v Speaker 1>to have that mental freedom of knowing what actually happened.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's that's my symbol. The hash Ashians Guild seal

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<v Speaker 1>I have never heard of that before. Check them out Ishmali.

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<v Speaker 1>It's spe well, so you can look it up. It

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<v Speaker 1>is all right. So this is also Persian and Romanized

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<v Speaker 1>and all sorts of other stuff. I s m a apostrophe,

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<v Speaker 1>I l i ishma'li. Right, that's the Persian version and

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<v Speaker 1>it was founded by Hassan el Sabah ten Ad. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>check it out, start tracking it through history. Check out

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Cooper's Mystery Babylon if you really want to get

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<v Speaker 1>deep into the history. He sort of goes goes into

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<v Speaker 1>it a lot. But you know the ah what's it called,

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<v Speaker 1>the Shriners. Yeah, yeah, big Hashashian roots in the Shriners

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<v Speaker 1>big time. That's an inner order of the Freemasons. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, what are a bunch of white people doing

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<v Speaker 1>going around with fezes and all of this Middle Eastern aesthetic.

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<v Speaker 1>That's kind of where they're getting it from, is like,

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<v Speaker 1>we're the League of Assassins. So the idea that they're

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<v Speaker 1>wearing the red fez is kind of interesting because that

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of a a propaganda tool for the Europeans.

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<v Speaker 1>They said that the Turks would dip their fezes in

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<v Speaker 1>European blood, that's why they have the red fezzes. And

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<v Speaker 1>then you got all these people who are related to

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<v Speaker 1>the assassins all over the United States and they're just say, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just an aesthetic thing, is it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of strange you think most of these people

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<v Speaker 2>that have done this, these outfits and where this should

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<v Speaker 2>have no idea what the fucking means.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of like assassin.

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<v Speaker 2>Slaves whatever, good old boys story. Somebody tells them, they'll think, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>that sounds great.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll go with that, right, because they're just joining a

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<v Speaker 1>social club exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So let's see what did you What did you

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<v Speaker 1>bring us today?

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<v Speaker 2>That looks curial ring?

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<v Speaker 1>All right? What we got here?

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<v Speaker 2>This is a mercurial ring, a Nilo d mercurio from

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<v Speaker 2>Alfonso the tenth Libro Libro d Astromagia. It's a thirteenth

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<v Speaker 2>century talismanic ring design tied to the planet Mercury. Depicted

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<v Speaker 2>in the Spanish astromagical compilation known as the Libro d

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<v Speaker 2>Astromagia Book of Astromagic Surviving Miniatures, which is those little

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<v Speaker 2>drawing things, show a magician empowered by Mercury. One image

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<v Speaker 2>even labels the scene a Nilo d mercurio and depicts

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<v Speaker 2>the spirit appearing as a writer or a on a

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<v Speaker 2>winged elephant while the practitioner works within a ritual rectangle

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<v Speaker 2>and where does it? A first show up in this book,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is in the late twelve seventies early twelve eighties.

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<v Speaker 2>The only manuscript is in the Vatican Library.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Contemporary and later inventories describe its contents as one fourteenth

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<v Speaker 2>century French library note even its contents one fourteenth French

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<v Speaker 2>library note even mentions the closing rubric as ortro anilo

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<v Speaker 2>d mercurial another ring of mercury, confirming multiple mercurial ring

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<v Speaker 2>recipes or figures in the book. The manuscript circulated in

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<v Speaker 2>France and ultimately entered the Vatican Collection, where it was

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<v Speaker 2>rediscovered for scholarship in nineteen eleven. Where have you seen it?

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<v Speaker 2>Whereas it used historically again it's part of a broader

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<v Speaker 2>astronomical program alongside with Libro d last forms a whole

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of other words, and it also a lot of time.

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<v Speaker 2>It also gets like paired up with stuff from the Pikatrix.

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<v Speaker 2>It's also kind of logged among astronomy and astrology books

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<v Speaker 2>before entering Before entering Queen Christina of Sweden's library and

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<v Speaker 2>then the Vatican, the work is presented today in facsimiles

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<v Speaker 2>and overviews. It's then you know, because there's really no

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<v Speaker 2>books around what it means. In medieval magic image magic,

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<v Speaker 2>mercury governs, eloquence, memory, learning, craft, and clever negotiation. The

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<v Speaker 2>mercurial ring is a wearable talisman meant to capture mercurial

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<v Speaker 2>influence at a chosen astrological moment. Alfonso's images directly parallel

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<v Speaker 2>Pikatrix style instructions for planetary rings and talismans. There's times

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<v Speaker 2>to work with mercury and stuff like that. They're also

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<v Speaker 2>engrave in inscribe appropriate characters and images, And this is

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<v Speaker 2>another one where they I think I had mentioned this

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<v Speaker 2>one other time. In this one, it is mentioned to

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<v Speaker 2>fumigate with subtle aromatics and consecrate with invocations. Some astromagica

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<v Speaker 2>scenes even specify conditions like mercury and libre and show

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<v Speaker 2>an angel handle handing the ring to the image again

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<v Speaker 2>like how it was used in a ritual. Again, they

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<v Speaker 2>would use those those like miniatures, and the magician would

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<v Speaker 2>stand within a magic rectangle and they would fumigate and

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<v Speaker 2>they would do their invocation. But there is also again

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<v Speaker 2>that protective boundary that they use as a rectangle in

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<v Speaker 2>this one. I know I've mentioned that before with them

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<v Speaker 2>doing that with solemonic magic. It's suggested here too, so uh,

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<v Speaker 2>and it says the manifestation of the mercurial spirits sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>mounted during the act of empowering the ring. This visual

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<v Speaker 2>program matches textual traditions of celestial magic, where images prison elected, timing,

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<v Speaker 2>draw down, planetary influence into metal, so pretty much making

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<v Speaker 2>a talisman.

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<v Speaker 1>And really interesting image. I think the whole rectangle thing

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<v Speaker 1>has gotten me kind of interested because it looks like

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<v Speaker 1>he's standing in front of a portal, right, and so

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<v Speaker 1>he's supposed to be the magician on the rectangle, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's sort of existing outside of time, and then mercury

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<v Speaker 1>is coming in sort of from the world. So this

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<v Speaker 1>guy is sort of separating himself out so that he

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<v Speaker 1>could enchant this ring. Is there an incantation or anything

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<v Speaker 1>that goes along with this image or is it just

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<v Speaker 1>the image?

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't get that.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, it's amazing. So all of these magical manuscripts right

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<v Speaker 1>have so many holes in them. It's hard not to

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<v Speaker 1>think that they might be deliberate, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, sections missing and all the rest of this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe that is deliberate. Maybe there is a lot more

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<v Speaker 1>to this stuff that we know, and that's why it's

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<v Speaker 1>so incomplete to the general public.

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<v Speaker 2>He can rip off one little piece and be missing

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<v Speaker 2>some missing whole piece. You know what I'm saying. You

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<v Speaker 2>can screw a lot of things up if you're trying

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<v Speaker 2>to understand it could be the key, yeah exactly, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I agree with that.

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<v Speaker 1>But I like, I like the medieval style on this.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a it's interesting that he's riding a chimeric elephant.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never seen elephants being associated with mercury. It's usually

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you think about fast animals and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>animals that go between realms and stuff like that. But

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<v Speaker 1>elephant with wings, that's a new one. And what kind

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<v Speaker 1>of feet are those? Is that like lion's feet looks

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like a like his back legs. You see that? Please?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, you know what? Oh, I don't know, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what? They almost look like to me? Uh like

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<v Speaker 2>the when I was in Nashville, it was it Nashville, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it was Nashville. When I filmed the one of the

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<v Speaker 2>things in front of the Mason buildings, the legs of

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<v Speaker 2>it were like lion legs and they kind of had

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<v Speaker 2>like those big front poles like that, because it definitely

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't look like the front of the elephant. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>it looks different.

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<v Speaker 1>What's got the stripes? And the stripes kind of make

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<v Speaker 1>me think zebra?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>And the wings, Yeah, there's something to it that it's

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<v Speaker 1>a chimera. That's not exactly immediately obvious, but you definitely

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<v Speaker 1>see the wings. And is that is that an altar

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<v Speaker 1>below him? That's what I was wondering, because again you're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the fumigation.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I was like wondering if that's like the

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<v Speaker 2>inceinsburner like the things, Yeah, the fire to fumigate with. Right, Interesting,

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<v Speaker 2>I have a star up there.

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<v Speaker 1>Too, right, Well, you know, I assume it has something

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<v Speaker 1>to do with the planetary time, because that's that's big.

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<v Speaker 1>When it comes to charging the metals and stuff. You

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<v Speaker 1>have to do it at certain times, yeah, which is

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<v Speaker 1>why you know, let's face it, Tycho was probably really

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<v Speaker 1>sought after by a bunch of you know, magic practitioners

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<v Speaker 1>because he had everything down to the arc second right

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<v Speaker 1>within zero zero one percent of you know, that's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of predictive power. Yeah, so magicians would definitely be

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<v Speaker 1>drawn to that.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me think. I think, oh right, that's my that's

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<v Speaker 2>my image sticking to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, let's see. So I got more from

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<v Speaker 1>Winter York.

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<v Speaker 2>We hit the vave for this one. Yeah, yeah, this

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<v Speaker 2>might be like a season.

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<v Speaker 1>We could do a whole season. Yeah all right. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>it always spits me right up to the top. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta do this on a different thing. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>this one is labeled one last One. I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 1>if this should even be played on air. Oh jeez,

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<v Speaker 1>this is probably the scariest thing that happened to me,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was recorded. I'll just start from the very

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<v Speaker 1>start of this energy. I was living in New Hampshire

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<v Speaker 1>with my grandma, as i'd left my kid's dad over

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<v Speaker 1>that horrific roommate. My son was three years old and

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<v Speaker 1>we had a doctor's appointment in the late afternoon during

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<v Speaker 1>a snowstorm. While waiting for the nurse to come back

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<v Speaker 1>into the room, everything was very quiet. My son asked me,

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<v Speaker 1>what's that noise. I stopped and listened, and because I

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't hearing anything. But it turns out it was the

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<v Speaker 1>ticking second hand of the clock on the wall. I

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<v Speaker 1>started to explain the hands of the clock to him

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<v Speaker 1>when I noticed it was stuck. The clock was stuck

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<v Speaker 1>at ten forty. It was at ten forty. It was

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<v Speaker 1>like two pm. Then the nurse came in and she

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<v Speaker 1>shut the door and took two steps. When the clock

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<v Speaker 1>didn't drop from the wall, it flung out from the

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<v Speaker 1>wall and glass shattered. We got my son's shoes back

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<v Speaker 1>on and went to a different room, but the nurse

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<v Speaker 1>found this strange. Anyway. After the appointment and the horrible

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<v Speaker 1>blizzard driving home, we both took a nap. Now in

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<v Speaker 1>this dream, I was in the basement where the laundry is,

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<v Speaker 1>and suddenly there were these giant black spiders everywhere. Then

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<v Speaker 1>in the corner of the old unused shower, next to

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<v Speaker 1>the washing machine, there was this tiny creature. It had

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<v Speaker 1>the energy of a god. Though Taicho, a little dwarf.

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<v Speaker 1>I forgot his name. I keep forgetting to jet Be.

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<v Speaker 1>There was Jetpe coming up from the table. He looked

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<v Speaker 1>like a man from the waist up, but he was

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<v Speaker 1>all red with horns, and he had arms crossed, but

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<v Speaker 1>his body was like a spider. Crab. It was like

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<v Speaker 1>a hard shell. The message was, let me tell you

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<v Speaker 1>how it is. Next. In the dream, I was upstairs

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<v Speaker 1>holding my laundry, but I was thinking, I can't go

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<v Speaker 1>down there. There's a demon in my basement. And then

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<v Speaker 1>this thought came in loud and clear. My son needs

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<v Speaker 1>clean clothes and I need clean underwear. Who cares about

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<v Speaker 1>the demon in the basement? Face your fears. So I

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<v Speaker 1>went back down to the basement and above the washing machine,

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<v Speaker 1>where there was normally a wall, there was a hole

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<v Speaker 1>into a bunch of tunnels. I watched this crab spider

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<v Speaker 1>creature lead a man who is dressed in a white

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<v Speaker 1>robe holding a lantern to physical treasure. I looked down

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<v Speaker 1>to my side and I saw a child. I knew

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<v Speaker 1>this man's child left behind, and I reached out to

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<v Speaker 1>give him a hug. When I woke up, the tapping

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<v Speaker 1>of the spider crab legs turned out to be the

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<v Speaker 1>tapping of sleet hitting my window. At this point, I thought, well,

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<v Speaker 1>another weird dream. But here's the thing. While they were

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<v Speaker 1>in that office doing the appointment, it was the ticking

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<v Speaker 1>sound that the kid was asking about. So it's the

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<v Speaker 1>ticking sound of the window ticking, sound of the office,

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<v Speaker 1>and you've got that explosion. It's weird. Still got to

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<v Speaker 1>go make dinner. I guess this is my life now.

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<v Speaker 1>It dawned on me because at this point I was

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<v Speaker 1>looking into the tarot and realized that the figure being

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<v Speaker 1>led looked like the hermit car. Following this, I started

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<v Speaker 1>to try and figure out if this thing was represented

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<v Speaker 1>in occultism, and the closest I could find was bald,

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<v Speaker 1>except there were no cats or frogs, So I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know now in the death tree belly all can be

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<v Speaker 1>like a crab I found in this one sort. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't even know if that matters, because after that, I

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<v Speaker 1>was playing taxi to my mom and her current boyfriend

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<v Speaker 1>to a concert. She had no time for us, but

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<v Speaker 1>needed a ride to the concert. After she got out

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<v Speaker 1>of the car, my son started crying that he wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to spend time with his granny and that in that moment,

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<v Speaker 1>I looked back at him and saw the tears rolling

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<v Speaker 1>down his face and saw myself as a child doing

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing. It was as if time was standing still,

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<v Speaker 1>and I realized it wasn't me. I deep down blamed myself,

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<v Speaker 1>sabotaged myself and was destroying myself on a lie that

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<v Speaker 1>it was all my fault, that my mom wasn't around.

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<v Speaker 1>My whole life and self dialogue was bullshit. A volcanic

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<v Speaker 1>rage started rising up and it went on for weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>While I worked my way through this, the lost possibilities

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<v Speaker 1>and unnecessary pain and memories, I was shaking with pure

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<v Speaker 1>anger at times and purging a whole lifetime of crap

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<v Speaker 1>I had buried now. I ended up moving back to

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<v Speaker 1>Arizona a few months after, as I was already experimenting

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<v Speaker 1>in communication changes with my kid's dad and it was working.

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<v Speaker 1>This whole thing happened in July. In October, I get

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<v Speaker 1>a message from my mom that she found a video

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<v Speaker 1>in a hidden file on her phone that she didn't

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<v Speaker 1>She must have had accidentally hit the record button on

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<v Speaker 1>her phone while it was in her pocket when she

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<v Speaker 1>found it. It was eighteen minutes long and it started

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<v Speaker 1>out with her talking to another coworker, and once she

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<v Speaker 1>was doing trash by herself. She works third shift at

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<v Speaker 1>a rehabilitation center in LNA. This deep vibrational voice type

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<v Speaker 1>thing came through. She never heard it at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>but this video creeped her out. She thought maybe it

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<v Speaker 1>was connected to one of the patients, but she realized

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<v Speaker 1>it was going up and down many floors, and it

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<v Speaker 1>moved and stayed with her. The next day, the video

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<v Speaker 1>moved itself from her hidden files to her regular camera

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<v Speaker 1>files and added time. Now the video is fifty six

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<v Speaker 1>minutes and thirty three seconds. It begins with her talking

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<v Speaker 1>to people, and this awful voice starts as soon as

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<v Speaker 1>she's alone and ends when she's back around her coworkers,

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<v Speaker 1>and the recording ends itself. My thoughts are, this isn't

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<v Speaker 1>a demon in the external sense of things, although it

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<v Speaker 1>sounded like one. I think this was an energetic energy

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<v Speaker 1>going back to the source from whence it came. Was

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<v Speaker 1>really fucking creepy, though, And the only one person has

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<v Speaker 1>heard it for more than four seconds before they say, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that's enough, too creepy, that's awful. I can be wrong

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<v Speaker 1>in the energetic energy, but what demon? What is a

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<v Speaker 1>demon really an energetic energy? Maybe I was holding on

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<v Speaker 1>to lies that built up and created its own form that,

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<v Speaker 1>once recognized, moved to the next person who needs to

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<v Speaker 1>deal with it because it wasn't mine to be hold

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<v Speaker 1>on to it. I'll send over the recording if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to hear it on a different email. This is

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<v Speaker 1>as my phone and laptop are not connected. But this

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<v Speaker 1>whole situation was creepy as hell. And also, if I suspect,

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<v Speaker 1>I would have extra careful on how I direct my

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<v Speaker 1>thoughts and emotions because it can affect another possibility. One

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<v Speaker 1>more thing. The person that helped me out the most

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<v Speaker 1>was David Block, who is a regular on aon byte

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<v Speaker 1>Gnostic Radio. He did an episode I think she was

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<v Speaker 1>talking to you about getting him on. He did an

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<v Speaker 1>episode on My Life that I emailed him desperately looking

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<v Speaker 1>for help, and he responded and spent hours, on multiple

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<v Speaker 1>occasions helping me identify the symbology and where it fell

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<v Speaker 1>on the tree. He didn't ask for anything. He was

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<v Speaker 1>just helping me out out of the kindness of his heart.

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<v Speaker 1>And he might be a good guest sometime. That should

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<v Speaker 1>be it for a while. I'm not trying to hijack

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<v Speaker 1>your mailbag. I wish you would. I love your letters,

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<v Speaker 1>Winter York.

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<v Speaker 2>That's recording next week.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's in there, Yeah, it's in there. I just uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's probably gonna take some formata. Yeah yeah, we'll do

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<v Speaker 1>it next week till you show it next week.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah. Also we can follow up with this. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>this is great.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, keep it coming with your Absolutely we want more

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<v Speaker 1>of that stuff. And if you have, you know, your

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<v Speaker 1>own sort of experiences, however small they may be, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>they're dreams, maybe there's a cult, whatever, just send them

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<v Speaker 1>to me. We'll read them and we'll have fun. We

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<v Speaker 1>even read read JJ's emails which were totally nonsensical and

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<v Speaker 1>bash that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's true. Yeah yeah. And if you want free stickers,

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<v Speaker 2>you want free stickers, let me know.

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<v Speaker 1>Your address in there, and I will not read your

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<v Speaker 1>address on air, but I really set it over to

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<v Speaker 1>Nick to get those stickers in it.

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<v Speaker 2>Winter, if you if you hear us, hit me up

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<v Speaker 2>and send me yeah address and I'll throw you some stickers.

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<v Speaker 1>Please sure. And you know, if if she wants, if

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<v Speaker 1>she's listening now, we'd love to have her on the air.

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<v Speaker 1>If she could be on there while we're playing the video,

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<v Speaker 1>that would be an amazing episode. So Winter, definitely hit

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<v Speaker 1>us up. See if we can get you on. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that would be an amazing episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh hell yeah, yeah, well, probably have it on a

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<v Speaker 2>few times, right, Yeah, keep it for sure. You don't

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<v Speaker 2>like this for sure? Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So this has been Headless's magical man bag. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for joining us, everybody, Symbolic Studies. I'll see you in there.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, chat and uh we'll see you again next time.
