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your support. In the last hour, talked about housing and
income expectations and gratitude, and I teased, as they call
it in the biz, I teased a piece by Rod
Dreyer at his Substack newsletter titled what I Saw and
Heard in Washington. And he was in DC for like
three days. He just got back. He wrote this piece
up well on the tenth, so two days ago. He
had spent three days I guess, the weekend Friday through Sunday,
I guess. And as part of his trip to DC,
he spent about ninety minutes and the vice president study
with him along with some other very influential people. He
posted a picture of I think Orbon, the Hungarian president.
I think he's from Hungary. He was in there as well,
and he said, you know, he had the opportunity Victor
Orbon met him in person. He said he had an
opportunity to talk with a lot of people, and he
focused on a lot of the what he called Zoomers
or DC Zoomer Khn Zoomer is the generation and is
that Gen z Or was Zoomer different? It is, so
we're calling him Jen Zoomers now Gen z Zoomers, Okay,
and Zoomer Cohn meaning Conservatives. He says the claim that
I first floated last week, quoting a DC insider who
said that in his estimation, between thirty and forty percent
of the Zoomers who work in official Republican Washington are
actually fans of Nick Fuentes. That's true. So he believes
that this has been confirmed multiple times by Zoomers who
work and live in that world. About thirty to forty
percent of the Zoomer cons are Fuente's fans or Grouper's.
This is the guy that was on the Tucker Carlson
podcast about two weeks ago, and it exploded this rift
which had been growing prior, but it just it all
blew up. The Heritage Foundation guy came out, made a statement,
and then that blew up, and there is a fight
going on right now with the nihilists on the right
and the nihilists on the left. And the people on
the right are saying like we need to confront these
black pilled zoomers and say that we are not on
their side, they are not on our side. We are
not going to welcome this radical fringe into the party
quote unquote, or the Mega movement or the right in general.
We're not going to do it because you look at
what happened to the Democrat Party on the left, they
did not distance themselves from their nihilistic radical base, and
now they're being eaten by it. But the phenomenon ise
is the same on both of these sides. As I
mentioned last hour, this is the horseshoe theory, this nihilistic approach,
which is to just burn it all down because everybody's
a liar, all the institutions have failed, the society is right,
and everything needs to be just torched and then maybe
build something better in its wake. And what the left
wants built in its wake is communism, and what a
lot of people on the right want built in its
wake is some form of fascism. And I know what
that sounds like. I know when I say that that
that sounds like, oh, Pete, you're just now taking the
talking points of the anti trumpers and I'm not. I'm
just listening to what those people say. That's what they
are saying they would like to see in its place.
And this is what Rod Dreyer documents in this massive
rite up. It's like fifteen pages. It started off he
was just like keeping a journal of all of this stuff.
And then when he was on the plane back to
Budapest where he lives now. He's a conservative writer. He's
written for all sorts of publications, and he's putting it
all together in this post on the plane, and this
is what he is determined. So the housing issue, right,
we can't buy houses. The average home buyer, first time
home buyer, is now forty years old. We heard that
stat the other day, right, So this is what young
people are dealing with. And that's real, by the way, Like,
I'm not minimizing any of this. And when you see
that in your own life, the system is not working
for you. In this case the post World War II
liberal order, right, And that's why they call themselves post liberals,
not the gropers. They call themselves gropers, but this ideology
that is manifesting, this nihilistic ideology is manifesting, and they
consider themselves post liberals. This post liberal order, in other words,
the order that was built in the ruins of World
War II in order to avoid another cataclysmic World war.
That has not worked for America. And the left says,
replace it with a communist utopia, which has never really
been tried. Or on the other side, they've got different
names for it, national conservatism, right, or there's the white nationalists.
There are some radicals that are like white nationalism. You know.
So you got the housing issue, the economic issues, the
income issues. You also have a generation that was raised
in this leftist K twelve and higher ed quote unquote
stew of oppress or oppressed ideology, this Marxist ideology, and
they're told the whole time, from very young ages, particularly
the white boys, they're told that they're the reason why
all of these bad things happen and they have to
carry that guilt. Then you layer in the feminization that
occurs inside the schools, like the idea that look, when
I was growing up, I would write stories all the time.
I wrote fictional stories all the time. I would get
to read them in front of the class too. But
I've heard assignments where you're supposed to and I got
one of these one time. In one class was to
keep a journal. I didn't care to keep a journal.
I didn't want to write every day about my feelings.
Now some men do, that's fine, you can write a journal.
I don't care. But when that becomes when that's the assignment,
and now I have to write about what happened to
me in my day and all of this, and I'm
just like inwardly looking in all of this. This is
sort of a therapization model versus maybe a resilience model.
And that's not necessarily helpful to a lot of young men,
to a lot of boys. It's just not It's very
helpful for young girls, but not necessarily for young boys,
because again, boys and girls are different, men and women
are different. So this is the toxic stew that these
kids have grown up through. He goes on to say,
if you think being Christian is some kind of a
vaccination against say, anti Semitism, you're wrong. Even young Christians,
especially trad cats or trad Cats traditional Catholics. There's been
a resurgence in this people who are self identifying as
traditional Catholics. They are neck deep in this anti semitism.
They even use it as a litmus test of who
can and can't join their informal social groups, which is
weird considering the Catholic Church's position on anti Semitism. But anyway,
not every DC Zuomerkhn who identifies with Fuentes agrees with
everything he says or the way he says it. What
they like most of all is his rage and his
willingness to violate taboos. I asked one zoomer what the
groypers actually wanted, like, what are their demands? His reply,
they don't have any. They just want to tear everything down.
So that's why I say they're nihilists. They just want
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Rod Dreer. Writing at his substeck, he says that the
Gropers don't have any demands, as was told to him
by a Zuomer, con that they just want to tear
everything down. Then he went on to explain in calm,
rational detail why his generation is so utterly screwed. The
problems are mostly economic and material in his view, and
this is something echoed by other conversations that Rod had.
They don't have a good career, they don't have good
career prospects. They'll probably never be able to buy a home.
Many are heavily indebted with student loans that they were
advised by authorities to take out, and the idea that
they are likely to marry and start families seems increasingly remote. Moreover,
they grew up in a country that had lost its
common culture. Many of these young men are fatherless, which
brings me I'm going to take a detour real quick
because what he just said there about these kids being
fatherless is something that Constantine Kissing noted in a big
write up at constantin kissing dot com. He is a
host of the Trigger Nometry podcast. Highly recommend that he's British.
He said, I remember reading a theory of history a
long time ago which gave a persuasive explanation for why
human societies seem to repeat the same mistakes over and
over every generations, said, only really learns what to do
and how to think and which pitfalls to avoid from
the two preceding generations with which it had direct contact. So,
in other words, their parents' generation and their grandparents' generation. Right,
we don't learn lessons from history so much as we
learn them from our parents and our grandparents. In other words,
if history repeats itself, or if it rhymes, it's because
we are repeating the mistakes of our great grandparents, people
who lived eighty to ninety years ago and could not
personally warn us. Does that sound familiar. It did to me,
especially with the eighty to ninety year timeframe. This is
the fourth turning. This is the theory advanced in the
nineties that civilizations go through four turnings basically like the seasons,
and we are in the fourth turning now, which is
the winter or the crisis, and from that crisis because
the people who are living in that fourth turning, which
each turning is about twenty to twenty five years, the
people who are living don't know about They have no
personal experience or recollection or anybody in their life to
tell them this is what happened in the last fourth
turning because all those people have passed away. Right, So
this theory, and there's one guy now who's There were
two guys that wrote it, and one still survives, the
other one passed away, and he has a podcast too.
He's written a follow up book about it. But from
the crisis, people learn how to solve the problems of
that crisis. And then you have another spring and a rebirth.
But you don't know how that crisis is going to unfold.
It's unknown, and that rebirth may not be good. It
could just be the birth of something worse, you know,
it could be the birth of a new system of government,
new authoritarian regime or something. But something else comes along
to quote solve the problem. And history shows what happens
when you have this nihilistic ideology which Dreer gets into
in his piece, multiple examples of it throughout history. And
there aren't people alive anymore to tell us this. All
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From Constantin Kissen's piece at his eponymous website dot com.
You cannot simultaneously appease people who believe in a fixed
set of ideas and people who believe that the only
ideas worth having are cynicism and revenge. Those are the camps,
people who have a fixed set of ideas and people
who want revenge. There's no appeasing both of these groups.
The Boomer khn establishment, so this would be the boomers
who are conservatives. The Boomer Khan establishment does not understand
that Nick Fouentes is not the problem. He is a symptom.
And the reason they don't understand that is that they
don't understand young men, who make up the overwhelming majority
of Puentes's audience. The entire fact phenomenon, Rather, the entire
phenomenon is driven by a number of factors which are
affecting young men. They are the most fatherless generation in history.
A quarter of Gen Z grew up without a father present.
That is up from just nine percent back in nineteen sixty.
So they've had less male guidance and direction than any
group of men in American history, even the boys born
after World War II, the most murderous war in human history,
which killed over four hundred thousand American men. They did
not experience the economic prosperity or political stability of the
pre nine to eleven era buying a house, especially in
America's major cities, becomes harder every year. They were educated
in a school, in a college system which is overwhelmingly female.
Seventy seven percent of teachers are women. As I don't
bring this up to criticize female teachers or suggest they're
not as good as men. Many female teachers are great
at teaching mathematics, music, geography, and history, but it's just
harder for women to teach boys how to be men.
As a result of the growing feminization of education and
society at large, many young men were taught to channel
their aggression, anger, and competitiveness. Oh sorry, they were not
taught how to channel their aggression, anger, and competitiveness into
productive activity. They were instead taught to suppress these natural
male urges. And as any therapist will tell you, you
can't keep the things you suppress down forever. Gen Z,
men spent their entire formative years lagging behind women in
education and now earnings. Young women without children out earn men,
and for the entirety of this time, these boys were
told that all men are trash. That's a quote, the
future is female, that's another quote, and that these young
boys were to blame for every ill of humanity. It
may be true that women haven't always had a fair
deal in society, but that was never the fault of
a fifteen year old zoomer boy, who understandably would bristle
at being held responsible for something they neither created nor
benefited from. And because they're white men, nobody cares about
their problems. Is it really a surprise that some of
them are resentful, angry, and openly rebellious. This perfect storm
of alienation and the dearth of male guidance presents a
lucrative opportunity for a new breed of influencer. Unlike fathers, uncles,
male teachers, sports coaches, and so on, Nick Fouentes is
not motivated by a desire to make a positive impact
on the lives of the boys who listened to him.
See a father is incentivized to raise his sons in
a way that makes them resist their worst instincts. As
an influencer who makes money getting views online, Fluentes is
incentivized to do the exact opposite. Back to Rod Dreyer's
peace talking about this same group of young men, gen
Z the zumer Cohns, most of them spent their youths
being told that as whites, and especially white males, they
are what's wrong with the world. Their own speech was
policed with stasy like ruthlessness for racism and bigotry, while
people on the left routinely slandered whites, males, Christians, heterosexuals,
and even were rewarded for it. Believe that seems to
be the reaction now. Fuentes is a living, breathing illustration
of what Hannah Arent meant when she spoke of people
willing to revel in transgression such that they tear down
the pillars of civilization just for the fun of seeing
those who had been gate kept away breaching containment. They
just want to see it burn. That's the extent of
the ideology. That's why I say they're nihilists. After this
trip that Drere took to DC talking with all of
these gen Z people and people in the conservative movement,
after these last three days in Washington, he says, I
am more convinced than I have ever been that we
are moving towards some kind of totalitarianism, or at best authoritarianism.
It could go either way, left or right, It could
go either way. When I mentioned fascism, earlier, there was
a Zoomer con that Drer was talking to, and he
said to Rod Dreer innocently, this wasn't something like he
was fending fascism, but he asked, so, what's wrong with fascism?
And he meant it not in like a challenging way,
but in a way that conveyed this sense of, well,
we have to think about this now. He talked about
how the disintegration of our culture is accelerating and liberal
democracy seems impotent to stop it. He went on to
explain that if he had to choose between living under
left wing authoritarianism or the right wing version, then that
wouldn't be much of a choice. Now. To be clear,
he doesn't want either, but he fears that the disintegration
of the culture is going to put us all in
the position to have to reconcile ourselves to one or
the other. And so if you have to pick between
the poison of communism or the poison of fascism, then well,
you know, at least fascism is of the right, and
that's kind of where I am, so like, I like,
maybe I'll have some more benefits under that. He says
he's not cheering for fascism. I heard real despair, well
informed despair in his voice about you know, the conditions
that make for a viable democracy disappearing, the dissolution of
a common culture, the collapse of religion in his generation,
the material impoverishment of his generation, so on and so forth.
I tell you it was dark, he said. But I
kept hearing this over and over and over, and I
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more transparent. Rodreer, writing at his substack, talking about this
gen Z mentality that's pervasive. He says in thirty to
forty percent of the Zoomer cons gen Z conservatives Zoomers
this groperism, which is nihilism. And you see the same
thing on the radical left. And by the way it
I mean, I think it should be pointed out that
both of these nihilists forms on the left end on
the right. And I use these terms loosely because they're
not it's not left and right, especially the right. It's not.
I'll come back to that. But what what they share
in common, aside from some tactics, is anti semitism, right
that the Jews are to blame. They're both they're both
also post liberal. They want to see the World War
two post World War two liberal order destroyed because it's
not working for us. On the left, they want communism.
The gropers want some form of fascism, if they've even
thought that far. A lot of them just want to
see everything burn. I use the terms left and right,
but I use them in terms of and this is
why I don't like it, and I don't think it
applies to the Gropers and Fuentes, is that the spectrum
is I mean, if you're thinking of it on a
left right linear sort of graph, the chart is actually
total government versus no government. Those are the endpoints on
either side of that line, complete government control and zero
government control. Anarchy right one side, tyranny one side, anarchy.
That's the actual left and right. And the Founders wanted
us to be as close to the anarchy side as
we could, because the less government you have, the more
free you are, and they tried to construct a system,
the constitutional order, in order to protect the people from
their government as much as possible. Now, what Drer says
is that the inability of US older people boomers, gen X,
older millennium, even the inability of US older people to
comprehend the world through the eyes of zoomers is a big,
big problem. Another strong theme that he encountered. While it's
important to take a clear stand against anti Semitism in
the ranks, there is no way to gate keep our
way out of this. You cannot simply point out you can't. Sorry,
you cannot simply point at the zoomers and say thou
shalt not and expect it to work. The problems are
too deep and complex. And anyway, they have learned to
have no respect for authority. Anyway, they don't care, and
why should they. The institutions of our society as they
see it, have lied and lied and lied and lied
and still lie. They still lie. He then gives sort
of a parade of lies from COVID what is a
woman and a man? We don't know right, universe and
forced ideological ideologies of lies, Catholic Church lying about the
sex of the scandal, lies about the benefits of mass
migration and diversity that's our strength. Why about Donald Trump
and Russia? Why about what globalism would mean for ordinary people?
The media lies. I'll just put a period right there.
Way too many examples. The bottom line, trust in the
system is gone, he says, Hell I share some of
these conclusions myself. The difference is that I'm not a nihilist.
I don't want to tear it all down. I'd rather
reform it, fix it. There are no historical examples in
which tearing it all down produced a better, more just,
more functional order. The Zoomers don't seem to have any
knowledge of history, nor do they care about it. They
don't even take Trump all that seriously. It appears they
see him as an out of touch boomer whose value
lies in how now he can be used to achieve
the system's destruction. That's what they see him as it
has not escaped their notice that the ten months into
Trump's second term, the economy is still crap. Right. This
is who we are dealing with and the old peracles. Quote.
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