1
00:00:03,359 --> 00:00:09,160
Speaker 1: Hudson River Radio dot com. Loone, my life's getting your lonely.

2
00:00:09,359 --> 00:00:14,160
Speaker 2: You can always goolune next.

3
00:00:14,279 --> 00:00:17,199
Speaker 3: Hey, this is Jesse Carmichael from Room five. Hi, this

4
00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:19,039
is Phil Margol of the Tokens.

5
00:00:19,039 --> 00:00:19,399
Speaker 4: Hello.

6
00:00:19,559 --> 00:00:22,719
Speaker 5: It's Nicole Atkins on the Rock and Roll History Show.

7
00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:29,320
Speaker 6: Hello, everybody, Welcome back to the Rock and Roll History

8
00:00:29,359 --> 00:00:33,039
Show and Hudson River Radio. I'm Brian Horowitz. Tonight we're

9
00:00:33,039 --> 00:00:36,240
talking girl groups, so I am very much looking forward

10
00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:40,600
to hearing everybody's selection tonight. Before we hop in, as always,

11
00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:44,520
allow me to introduce all the Cranwell's joining us here tonight. First,

12
00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,159
from the Richter Observatory. He says, if you drop a

13
00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,119
piano on a child, do you get a flat minor

14
00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:52,200
net here?

15
00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:52,479
Speaker 4: Oh?

16
00:00:55,079 --> 00:00:59,920
Speaker 3: Oh that poor kid? Right? Ouch? How you doing?

17
00:01:00,039 --> 00:01:04,000
Speaker 6: And everybody from paranormally yours she lost her mood ring

18
00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:06,000
and doesn't know how to feel about that.

19
00:01:06,799 --> 00:01:09,879
Speaker 5: Yea, Hello.

20
00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:13,280
Speaker 7: Oddly enough, I have two that I just bought recently

21
00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:14,200
in a set.

22
00:01:14,799 --> 00:01:16,680
Speaker 6: One on each hand, and if they don't mean the

23
00:01:16,719 --> 00:01:19,079
same thing, they might be full of you know what?

24
00:01:21,439 --> 00:01:27,439
Speaker 7: I just thought they were pretty.

25
00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:31,079
Speaker 8: Yeah, or princess might always be different because I'm a Gemini.

26
00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:33,239
Speaker 3: Or you know.

27
00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:36,959
Speaker 5: The why not both or two?

28
00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,079
Speaker 4: Yeah.

29
00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,879
Speaker 6: From the silver screen, she saw a guy walk into

30
00:01:41,879 --> 00:01:45,000
a bar and ask for ten shots of bourbon. The

31
00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,280
guy takes the first shot and dumps it on the floor,

32
00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:49,599
and he takes the last shot and also dumps it

33
00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,000
on the floor, and the bartender said, why'd you do that?

34
00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:55,120
The guy said, well, the first shot always tastes like crap,

35
00:01:55,239 --> 00:01:59,000
and the last one always makes me sick. Mercedes cat

36
00:01:59,120 --> 00:01:59,560
is here.

37
00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:05,359
Speaker 9: Totally fair, right. I was horrified when you first saty

38
00:02:05,439 --> 00:02:10,199
threw it on the floor, But you know it makes sense, buddy.

39
00:02:10,439 --> 00:02:11,680
Speaker 3: I wish I had thought of that.

40
00:02:13,719 --> 00:02:15,159
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm taking mental notes on.

41
00:02:15,199 --> 00:02:15,759
Speaker 10: That long time.

42
00:02:15,759 --> 00:02:18,560
Speaker 9: I'm gonna throw out that last shot for sure.

43
00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:20,840
Speaker 6: Well, hang on to it, don't toss it, just hang

44
00:02:20,879 --> 00:02:21,639
on to it for me.

45
00:02:22,479 --> 00:02:23,039
Speaker 9: I'll be down.

46
00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:28,680
Speaker 6: I won't be driving down, but I'll be down. At last,

47
00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,080
but not least. The host of Shaving Cream she got

48
00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,439
to take a tour of mc hammer's house, but she

49
00:02:33,599 --> 00:02:40,879
wasn't allowed to touch anything. Barbaraville was story in my life. Everyone,

50
00:02:41,759 --> 00:02:44,879
all right, So tonight we're talking girl groups and before

51
00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:46,439
the angry emails come.

52
00:02:46,759 --> 00:02:55,000
Speaker 9: Whoa, All right, now we know who we are apparently.

53
00:02:54,599 --> 00:03:00,240
Speaker 6: To take two, take three, take four at it. So

54
00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,400
girl groups versus all female bands. We're actually doing all

55
00:03:04,439 --> 00:03:07,520
female bands because a lot of people define girl groups

56
00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,360
as you know, just the performers out front, not including

57
00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:14,560
the band. But we're talking all female bands, all everybody

58
00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,319
across the board, singer's, all the instruments and everything.

59
00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,439
Speaker 7: Just to clarify that stuff, because I found out that

60
00:03:21,039 --> 00:03:25,840
the group I chose occasionally had a guy in the band.

61
00:03:26,319 --> 00:03:30,000
Speaker 6: Occasionally. We're gonna slide, you get it? You get a

62
00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:34,520
B plus today, that's okay. They still pass, all right,

63
00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:36,759
So why don't we hop in and Neil, why don't

64
00:03:36,759 --> 00:03:37,599
you lead us off tonight?

65
00:03:38,199 --> 00:03:38,680
Speaker 3: All right?

66
00:03:38,759 --> 00:03:43,120
Speaker 11: Well, you know, female rock bands, they come in all

67
00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,240
shapes and sizes and all sorts of genres too, as

68
00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:51,919
I think we'll find out tonight. But are you ready

69
00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:58,680
for the Surferjets? The Surferjets or a four piece instrumental

70
00:03:58,719 --> 00:04:04,360
combo that formed in Toronto, Ontario, Canada, in late twenty fifteen,

71
00:04:04,599 --> 00:04:09,400
playing reverb drenched surf music mixed with a dash of

72
00:04:09,439 --> 00:04:15,840
psychedelic rock, all while sporting sky high beehive hairdoos, mini skirts,

73
00:04:16,079 --> 00:04:20,399
Go Go boots and eyeliner as thick as their guitar strings,

74
00:04:20,519 --> 00:04:24,360
to quote their website, and that pretty much checks all

75
00:04:24,399 --> 00:04:27,040
the boxes for me. I'm like I'm sold.

76
00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:33,399
Speaker 3: Now. Currently, the band consists of members Mackenzie Shermie Freeman

77
00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:39,439
and Nicole Danielle, both founding members on the guitars, along

78
00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:43,160
with Annie Lillis on drums who joined in twenty twenty three,

79
00:04:43,519 --> 00:04:46,439
and Abby Joe Powell on bass who's been in the

80
00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:51,319
band since twenty twenty four now. Danielle and Freeman have

81
00:04:51,439 --> 00:04:55,319
known each other since high school, with Danielle coming from

82
00:04:55,399 --> 00:04:58,879
a blues background and Freeman starting out playing in a

83
00:04:58,959 --> 00:05:04,439
rock band a nice mix there. As the Surfragettes. They

84
00:05:04,439 --> 00:05:06,480
have worked together with a number of bass players and

85
00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:12,439
drummers before recruiting Powell and Lewis now in twenty eighteen.

86
00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:16,560
The group first gained attention with their instrumental cover Yet

87
00:05:16,639 --> 00:05:22,160
This Mercedes of the Britney Spears hit Toxic I Knew

88
00:05:22,439 --> 00:05:27,879
You would Like That, and more recently in twenty twenty four,

89
00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,839
the group released the song easy as Pie, which We're

90
00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:35,199
going to hear from their full length LP of the

91
00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:39,519
same name. So why don't we sit back and do it, d'lus.

92
00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:11,639
Speaker 4: Non na.

93
00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:01,160
Speaker 11: I don't know who's playing that roller ring organ part,

94
00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,199
which fits perfectly, but I'm not going to quibble. I'm

95
00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:06,680
sure one of them did it. And they even have

96
00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,759
guitar like plugins that you can make your guitar sound

97
00:08:09,839 --> 00:08:12,959
like pretty much anything you want, so again, I'm not

98
00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:13,680
gonna quibble.

99
00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:15,079
Speaker 3: Now.

100
00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:19,560
Speaker 11: Overall, the Surferjets have recorded two full length LPs, as

101
00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:23,839
well as numerous singles and EPs, both on vinyl and digitally,

102
00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,600
and all released by High Tide Recordings. I love that name,

103
00:08:28,839 --> 00:08:31,240
so High Tide.

104
00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:31,720
Speaker 3: Now.

105
00:08:31,759 --> 00:08:34,960
Speaker 11: As of this taping, the band is currently on tour

106
00:08:35,159 --> 00:08:37,679
here in the States, Canada, and over in the UK,

107
00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,320
and I myself have had the pleasure of seeing them

108
00:08:41,399 --> 00:08:44,799
a couple of times, and if they come to your town,

109
00:08:44,919 --> 00:08:48,480
I highly recommend that you go see them too. The

110
00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:49,759
Surferjets everybody.

111
00:08:51,799 --> 00:08:55,279
Speaker 9: I've seen them multiple times, and honestly, the first time

112
00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,399
that I saw them, I had never heard of them,

113
00:08:57,399 --> 00:09:00,320
but went I heard the name and I thought, oh,

114
00:09:00,399 --> 00:09:05,559
I'm gonna like this right, yeah, yes, And it was

115
00:09:06,279 --> 00:09:10,960
it was the week before COVID. It was like the

116
00:09:11,159 --> 00:09:16,159
last thing I saw. They were so good. It was

117
00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,360
it and it was in a little it was in

118
00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,519
a it's called the Micai It's in Fort Lauderdale and

119
00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:27,279
it's like all you know, Hawaiian and stuff and perfect. Yeah,

120
00:09:27,519 --> 00:09:29,840
and it's it was. They played in like a small

121
00:09:30,039 --> 00:09:32,799
bar area and it was really tight and I was

122
00:09:33,519 --> 00:09:37,919
right in front of It's like having such a good time.

123
00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:39,919
Speaker 12: They sound so fun.

124
00:09:41,159 --> 00:09:42,320
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and they do. You know.

125
00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,720
Speaker 11: It's almost like if Josie and the pussy Cats were,

126
00:09:46,759 --> 00:09:50,720
like if they make them with live action, you know,

127
00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:57,320
now they are a lot of fun. And yeah, no,

128
00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,639
I highly recommend them.

129
00:10:00,639 --> 00:10:04,360
Speaker 9: My home keys are on their key chain and it's

130
00:10:04,399 --> 00:10:08,440
a pink like old Motel key cha.

131
00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:10,360
Speaker 8: Retro.

132
00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:13,000
Speaker 6: Yeah nice?

133
00:10:13,639 --> 00:10:14,000
Speaker 3: All right.

134
00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:17,200
Speaker 6: Yeah. As soon as you said the band name, I'm like, yeah, yeah,

135
00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:17,679
it's Neil.

136
00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:18,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

137
00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:22,000
Speaker 6: I don't even know it's coming, but yeah, excellent, all right,

138
00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,320
thanks Neil, Barbara, you're up.

139
00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:25,759
Speaker 3: Okay.

140
00:10:26,039 --> 00:10:28,519
Speaker 8: The song I chose is called I'm in the Band,

141
00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:34,960
and it's by a band called Brett Mobile. Ratt Mobile.

142
00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:36,399
Speaker 3: I love I love it already.

143
00:10:36,639 --> 00:10:40,639
Speaker 8: Yeah yeah it kind of I was drawn by the title,

144
00:10:40,759 --> 00:10:46,200
so yeah. Brattmobile is an American punk band formed in Olympia,

145
00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:51,080
Washington in nineteen ninety one. Now they're known for being

146
00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:55,120
a first generation riot girl band. Now, if you choose

147
00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,720
to google the term riot girl, you have to spell

148
00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,120
girl with three r's and no vowels.

149
00:11:02,159 --> 00:11:02,600
Speaker 6: Correct.

150
00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:08,240
Speaker 8: So riot Girl being a feminist movement that began in

151
00:11:08,279 --> 00:11:14,159
the early nineteen nineties in the Pacific Northwest, which combines punk, feminism,

152
00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:21,519
and politics. That's a lethal combination right there. Brattmobile has

153
00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:26,000
also been influenced by pop, surf and garage rock. Band

154
00:11:26,039 --> 00:11:31,000
members are Alison Wolf, Molly Newman, and Aaron Smith, with

155
00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:36,480
past members Michelle Noel, Jen Smith and Christina Bilott. They

156
00:11:36,519 --> 00:11:39,320
got their start when Wolf and Newman met while attending

157
00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:44,039
the University of Oregon in nineteen eighty nine. Being raised

158
00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:48,480
and influenced by activist parents, they took classes in women's

159
00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,919
studies as well as music, and collaborated on the feminist

160
00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:55,879
fanzine Girl Germs in nineteen ninety.

161
00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:56,879
Speaker 6: Now.

162
00:11:56,879 --> 00:11:59,759
Speaker 8: At first, the girls did not play any instruments into

163
00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,480
to perform a cappella, as they had been booked to

164
00:12:02,519 --> 00:12:05,440
play a show in nineteen ninety one on Valentine's Day

165
00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:10,639
in Olympia along with bands Bikini Kill and Some Velvet Sidewalk.

166
00:12:11,279 --> 00:12:15,279
Now some Velvet Sidewalk member Robert Christy let them borrow

167
00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:19,559
rehearsal space prior to the gig and gave them now Neil,

168
00:12:20,279 --> 00:12:22,480
I apologize in advance for what I'm about to read,

169
00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:26,080
gave them the advice that they should listen to the

170
00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:27,840
Ramones for inspiration.

171
00:12:29,399 --> 00:12:34,639
Speaker 11: However, why would I object to that. I think everybody

172
00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:37,840
should do that, whether they played an instrument or not.

173
00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:45,600
Speaker 8: However, Wolfe reasoned that all the boy punk bands all

174
00:12:45,639 --> 00:12:48,639
did this, and so Brett Mabil was not going to

175
00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:52,240
get any inspiration by listening to the Ramones because they

176
00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,200
wanted their sound to be completely their own. So they

177
00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:58,000
did the very punk thing. They did the opposite of

178
00:12:58,039 --> 00:12:59,080
what they were told to do.

179
00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,919
Speaker 11: Okay, you know what, I definitely agree with that. I

180
00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:07,519
can do their actions.

181
00:13:08,159 --> 00:13:09,000
Speaker 12: Okay.

182
00:13:10,919 --> 00:13:11,320
Speaker 3: Wow.

183
00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,720
Speaker 8: So by the time they played the Valentine's Day Olympia

184
00:13:14,759 --> 00:13:17,879
gig at North Shore Surf Club, Newman and wolf were

185
00:13:17,919 --> 00:13:20,559
able to share in playing guitar and drums as well

186
00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:24,840
as performed vocals. Band member Smith and Blott later joined

187
00:13:24,879 --> 00:13:27,480
them to play a gig in Washington, d C. And

188
00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:31,600
later in Hoboken, New Jersey. They released their first album,

189
00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:36,480
Hottymouth in nineteen ninety three and continued the tour you

190
00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:37,679
see why I was drawn.

191
00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:40,840
Speaker 5: To the Yeah, but.

192
00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:45,000
Speaker 8: They famously broke up while performing live in nineteen ninety four,

193
00:13:45,519 --> 00:13:48,360
and they took a hiatus until nineteen ninety nine, when

194
00:13:48,399 --> 00:13:52,679
they reunited for a tour and released their second album, Ladies,

195
00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:56,639
Women and Girls in two thousand. Our selection for today's

196
00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,080
topic is called I'm in the Man, and it's from

197
00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:03,440
their third album, Girls Get Busy, released me seven two.

198
00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:03,840
Speaker 12: Thousand and two.

199
00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:05,720
Speaker 8: Let's pause now and.

200
00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:06,440
Speaker 1: Rock out you.

201
00:14:06,639 --> 00:14:09,960
Speaker 8: I'm in the band, ye brat, I can say.

202
00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:13,879
Speaker 13: Find you say to me and find play in a way.

203
00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:16,159
Speaker 14: I'm in the mound and I be.

204
00:14:16,799 --> 00:14:19,759
Speaker 13: To Canada anyway.

205
00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:29,360
Speaker 4: All right, all right, all right, all right.

206
00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:38,080
Speaker 14: To do what you say, girls can fifty nine girls bas.

207
00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:39,200
Speaker 1: A grand if you stat.

208
00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:48,200
Speaker 4: No, no, no, I'm not one of my time. It's

209
00:14:48,279 --> 00:14:52,200
not one d pasin and puts you and you.

210
00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:55,840
Speaker 14: Can have anything you want.

211
00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:10,799
Speaker 13: Oh my, all bad, All right, all bah, we know

212
00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,840
the continue what you said, Dot fifty nine in the

213
00:15:15,159 --> 00:15:17,000
way that'll make music.

214
00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:18,240
Speaker 4: Guare with your stay.

215
00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,440
Speaker 13: We don't these a distications.

216
00:15:24,559 --> 00:15:30,039
Speaker 14: We just make dond you like reason you make music,

217
00:15:30,279 --> 00:15:35,320
not you, but don't make you will be playing yea Reena,

218
00:15:35,639 --> 00:15:36,039
don't not.

219
00:15:36,279 --> 00:15:42,480
Speaker 4: Be the res of my life? All bad? All right,

220
00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:48,240
all right, all bad.

221
00:15:50,159 --> 00:15:53,519
Speaker 14: We don't let's forgin what you said back in.

222
00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:57,360
Speaker 13: Fifty don't even go away, don't make music where you

223
00:15:57,519 --> 00:15:58,399
can stay.

224
00:16:04,639 --> 00:16:09,000
Speaker 8: Well, Girls, Get Busy ended up being Brought Mobile's final album.

225
00:16:09,799 --> 00:16:12,440
The band continued to tour in two thousand and two

226
00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,320
and two thousand and three, and although there was no

227
00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:19,720
official breakup, they all went their separate ways working on

228
00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:24,600
different projects. They did reunite briefly in twenty nineteen to

229
00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:29,600
perform at musician Toby Vale's birthday party. Their last performance

230
00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:33,480
was in twenty twenty three at the Mosswood Meltdown Festival

231
00:16:33,639 --> 00:16:35,000
in Oakland, California.

232
00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:36,519
Speaker 15: And that's it.

233
00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:40,080
Speaker 8: And found them by accident, and I completely loved them.

234
00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:41,919
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, this is right up your alley.

235
00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:43,399
Speaker 3: I loved it. I loved it.

236
00:16:43,519 --> 00:16:46,720
Speaker 11: But I hate to break into them, but I'm hearing

237
00:16:46,759 --> 00:16:50,000
a lot of Ramon's influence on that, well, the drumming

238
00:16:50,159 --> 00:16:55,519
and the hey hey, I'm sorry, but I'll give it

239
00:16:55,559 --> 00:16:58,960
to him. It's a very punk thing to say. We're

240
00:16:59,000 --> 00:16:59,720
not going to be punk.

241
00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,240
Speaker 9: We're not gonna be so and then turn around and

242
00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:03,759
be punk.

243
00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:08,680
Speaker 3: Right, I'm totally down with it. That was great. I

244
00:17:08,799 --> 00:17:09,119
love that.

245
00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:10,079
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was good.

246
00:17:10,839 --> 00:17:14,160
Speaker 9: It reminded me of I went to see my daughter

247
00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,960
play one night and they were playing with another band,

248
00:17:17,839 --> 00:17:21,039
and apparently my daughter's band did not like this other band.

249
00:17:21,079 --> 00:17:23,200
I don't know what the problem was, but yeah, it

250
00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:25,160
was like and it was just like a school function.

251
00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:29,160
And the other band was called care Bears on Fire,

252
00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:33,640
and apparently I just I just looked them up to

253
00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,680
see if they like see if I made it up.

254
00:17:39,519 --> 00:17:41,960
It says here that they formed in two thousand and

255
00:17:42,039 --> 00:17:46,680
five by three musician music minded fifth graders. Yeah, they

256
00:17:46,759 --> 00:17:51,400
were shoeing, but they do a song called Barbie Eat

257
00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:53,799
a Sandwich That is so good.

258
00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:59,920
Speaker 3: I love that awesome cool stuff.

259
00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,279
Speaker 6: Thank you, Barbara. We're going to take a real quick

260
00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:05,640
break and we got lots more coming up, so stick around.

261
00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:06,319
We'll be right back.

262
00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:09,839
Speaker 3: Hudson Riverradio dot Com.

263
00:18:11,279 --> 00:18:13,519
Speaker 12: This concludes the first part of this cassette.

264
00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:17,039
Speaker 9: Please turn the cassette over and begin again on side too.

265
00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:26,000
Speaker 6: Hudson Riverradio dot Com. Your dad likes us, all right,

266
00:18:26,079 --> 00:18:29,599
welcome back and Mercedes turning it over to you.

267
00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,640
Speaker 9: Okay, well, I was going to use a song from

268
00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:36,799
my daughter's baand New Myths, which I probably should have

269
00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:41,799
since I just mentioned them. Actually, but there's this other

270
00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:43,920
band that I've heard about for a long time and

271
00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,799
I was curious to learn more, and I'm referring to

272
00:18:47,039 --> 00:18:51,680
a band called Fanny. Fanny is often described as one

273
00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:54,400
of the first all female bands, but there were bands

274
00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:57,599
that came before them. There were apparently some girl groups

275
00:18:57,759 --> 00:19:02,880
during the nineteen twenties the nineteen forties which I didn't realize,

276
00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:07,400
like the Parisian Redheads who were later the Ange News

277
00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:11,519
and the International Sweethearts of Rhythm. And in the early

278
00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:14,720
sixties there was Goldie and the Gingerbreads, who also played

279
00:19:14,759 --> 00:19:17,200
their own instruments. And I listened to Goldie and the

280
00:19:17,279 --> 00:19:21,519
Gingerbreads and they are definitely worth a YouTube search. So

281
00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,759
then came Fanny in the early nineteen seventies. They were

282
00:19:24,799 --> 00:19:27,880
an American rock band, and they were one of the

283
00:19:28,039 --> 00:19:32,000
first all female rock bands to achieve critical and commercial success,

284
00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:36,440
including two Billboard Hot one hundred top forty singles. The

285
00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:41,440
group was comprised of sisters June and Gene Millington guitar

286
00:19:41,559 --> 00:19:45,279
and bass in that order, and Alice de de Burr

287
00:19:46,279 --> 00:19:51,240
on drum's Nicky Barclay on keyboards. The sisters had been

288
00:19:51,279 --> 00:19:55,200
playing music together since, you know, childhood, early sixties when

289
00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,960
they moved from the Philippines to California, and initially they

290
00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:03,319
were playing ukulele together. In nineteen sixty nine, they were signed.

291
00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:04,279
Speaker 12: To Raprise Records.

292
00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,920
Speaker 9: They had been playing around la in a motown cover

293
00:20:07,039 --> 00:20:10,799
band called Wild Honey, and because they were frustrated at

294
00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:14,559
how they were treated because they were women, they decided

295
00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:18,200
to disband. They played one final show at the Troubadour

296
00:20:18,319 --> 00:20:23,400
Club and were spotted by producer Richard Perry's secretary. Perry

297
00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,759
had been on the lookout for an all female band Mentor.

298
00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:33,119
The band was renamed Fanny, not with a sexual connotation,

299
00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:37,039
but to denote a female spirit. And that's a quote

300
00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:40,599
from what Looks Like a book. And I've always wondered

301
00:20:40,599 --> 00:20:49,359
about that because the British, if you were in England,

302
00:20:49,559 --> 00:20:54,880
the term fanny and Neil smiling, oh yeah, yeah, I

303
00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:59,680
mean fanny normally means like your butt, but in England

304
00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:04,000
it means another female part on other side of the

305
00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,599
other side, yes, And in.

306
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,960
Speaker 6: Some circumstances it's something you take a load off.

307
00:21:10,599 --> 00:21:17,119
Speaker 9: Yeah right, it took me a minute, boy. So Perry

308
00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,279
produced their first three albums. The third album, Fanny Hill

309
00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:24,319
from nineteen seventy two, featured the Beatles engineer Jeff Emerick

310
00:21:24,519 --> 00:21:29,119
and included a cover of the Beatles' Hey Bulldog, which

311
00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:33,160
is so good and rocks so hard. But I didn't

312
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,400
want to use it today for this because it's a cover,

313
00:21:37,599 --> 00:21:40,119
and they were known for their writing their own material.

314
00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,599
So the album also included a Marvin Gay cover of

315
00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:48,200
Ain't That Peculiar, featuring Rolling Stone saxophonist Bobby Keys and

316
00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:52,079
Jim Price on brass, and it was released as a single,

317
00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,799
reaching number eighty five on the Billboard Hot one hundred.

318
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,759
Their fourth album, Mother Pride, from nineteen seventy three, was

319
00:21:58,839 --> 00:22:02,200
produced by Todd so that they were not you know,

320
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:06,880
they were out there. They were hobnobbin with the right

321
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:11,519
Peopil June, one of the original members, you know, one

322
00:22:11,559 --> 00:22:14,119
of the sisters, decided to quit when the label wanted

323
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,440
to control what she wore on stage and what direction

324
00:22:17,599 --> 00:22:22,799
the band should go like nobody likes that. Patty Quatra,

325
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:28,119
sister of Suzi Quatro, replaced June and the group released

326
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,640
one final album on Casablanca Records in nineteen seventy four.

327
00:22:32,279 --> 00:22:35,200
The single I've Had It reached number seventy nine on

328
00:22:35,279 --> 00:22:38,680
the Billboard Hot one hundred. The second single off the album,

329
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:42,160
butter Boy, was released as the band was splitting up,

330
00:22:42,319 --> 00:22:44,839
and reached number twenty nine on the Billboard Hot one

331
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:48,720
hundred in nineteen seventy nine. The song was written by

332
00:22:48,799 --> 00:22:53,000
Gene Millington, one of the original sisters, about her relationship

333
00:22:53,240 --> 00:23:00,119
with David Bowie. But butter Boy is it? She ke

334
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:04,640
he somewhat condescending nickname for a male who is a player.

335
00:23:06,799 --> 00:23:09,160
So can you imagine being close enough to Bowie to

336
00:23:09,319 --> 00:23:14,920
just be calling him something? Oh Fanny. The band rejected

337
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,559
the typical girl group style. They played all their own

338
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,599
instruments and wrote the vast majority of their own songs.

339
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,240
They backed Keith Moon on his cover of their song

340
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:29,319
solid Gold. Remember some of the members worked on Barbara

341
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:33,920
Streisand's nineteen seventy one album Stony End. The band opened

342
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,400
for Slade, Jethro Tull, and Humble Pie. They were on

343
00:23:37,559 --> 00:23:41,480
The Sunny and Share Show, American Bandstand, The Old Gray

344
00:23:41,559 --> 00:23:45,599
Whistle Test, and Beat Club. They had many well known fans.

345
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,640
David Ohie sent the group a letter admiring their work

346
00:23:49,759 --> 00:23:53,200
and invited the band to see a post show party,

347
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,200
where he showed them mime techniques.

348
00:23:57,559 --> 00:24:01,160
Speaker 3: Oh my god, you're good.

349
00:24:01,519 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 8: Well, no, that paints a picture?

350
00:24:04,599 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 9: Can you imagine?

351
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:06,559
Speaker 5: Is that the modern?

352
00:24:07,279 --> 00:24:11,839
Speaker 7: Is that the at the time how people said they

353
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,720
wanted you to come up and see their etchings.

354
00:24:14,319 --> 00:24:15,279
Speaker 9: Look at my etchings?

355
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:15,640
Speaker 5: Yeah?

356
00:24:16,079 --> 00:24:16,759
Speaker 12: Approbably not.

357
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 9: It was like a show, like a party, like after

358
00:24:19,599 --> 00:24:25,000
show party. In nineteen ninety nine, in an interview with

359
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,440
Rolling Stone, David Bowie revealed his respect for the band.

360
00:24:28,599 --> 00:24:31,759
He said they were one of the finest effing rock

361
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,880
bands of their time in about nineteen seventy three. They

362
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:41,119
were extraordinary. They wrote everything, they played like Mf's. They

363
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:45,759
were just colossal and wonderful, and nobody's ever mentioned them.

364
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,799
They're as important as anyone else who's ever been. Ever,

365
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:54,480
it just wasn't their time. So let's take a break

366
00:24:54,559 --> 00:24:56,880
here and listen to Fanny's.

367
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 4: Here I am.

368
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:06,640
Speaker 5: In the gold World.

369
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:09,079
Speaker 4: With all mother.

370
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,079
Speaker 5: Do you help the girls?

371
00:25:13,599 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, loveless do.

372
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 15: I've got too much chick for my.

373
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,519
Speaker 16: Handy Superman?

374
00:25:29,759 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 15: When I get in my best him won best.

375
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 2: Oza hot, loving, good loving, were loving.

376
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:59,640
Speaker 17: Woman, loved the doll your love leg.

377
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:12,839
Speaker 15: I got find one, save all day, kill that right.

378
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 1: Man comes my way, kill the man comes all.

379
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,759
Speaker 15: I've got too much sad on mynd.

380
00:26:27,759 --> 00:26:32,039
Speaker 1: I got by Superman.

381
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 15: When I got him in my bedroom.

382
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 5: Look kill Lona, go back.

383
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 10: I'm a hot love it, love it.

384
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 4: We love him?

385
00:26:48,440 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 1: No, no, I love him good love ing.

386
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 18: We love woman, No no no, don't love you.

387
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:50,039
Speaker 5: Faver.

388
00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I.

389
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 18: Need to, I need just for.

390
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 7: So.

391
00:28:14,079 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 9: O'Brien just called me out and told me that this

392
00:28:16,279 --> 00:28:18,319
song was written by Ike Turner. Damn it.

393
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,519
Speaker 6: That's not how I approached it, and I wasn't.

394
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,319
Speaker 9: But most of the songs were written by them.

395
00:28:29,599 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 6: I just haven't it was it was a cover. Now

396
00:28:32,519 --> 00:28:34,440
it was a cover, but it's okay. It was a

397
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:34,880
good one.

398
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 9: It was a good one.

399
00:28:36,319 --> 00:28:36,519
Speaker 5: Yeah.

400
00:28:37,279 --> 00:28:40,319
Speaker 9: I cannot believe I've never heard of them. I can't,

401
00:28:40,359 --> 00:28:42,839
and I hung out with a bunch of people that

402
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,359
this would be. I'm just shocked that this would be

403
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,720
right up there, Alley. I can't understand why they didn't

404
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,799
turn me into this music. But anyway, I'm going to

405
00:28:50,839 --> 00:28:56,519
go talk to them later on tonight. So many of

406
00:28:56,599 --> 00:28:58,920
them went on to do very well in the music industry,

407
00:28:59,039 --> 00:29:02,759
either as musician, producers or on the business end of things.

408
00:29:03,359 --> 00:29:05,599
There were some reunions and a formation of a new

409
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,960
band called Fanny Walked the Earth with Breedy Howard and

410
00:29:09,359 --> 00:29:13,759
June and Jene Millington, The Bengals, the Go Gos and

411
00:29:13,839 --> 00:29:17,359
the Runaways, and others point to Fanny as an influence.

412
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,519
Kathy Valentine, the bassist of the Go Gos, said she

413
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,359
wished more people had spread the word about Fanny, which

414
00:29:23,519 --> 00:29:28,400
I happen to agree if their visit, if their visibility

415
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,480
had been higher, she said in an interview, we would

416
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,440
have seen a lot more women in the rock landscape.

417
00:29:35,039 --> 00:29:38,799
Valentine didn't hear about Fanny until nineteen eighty two, she said,

418
00:29:39,799 --> 00:29:42,400
which time at which time the Go Gos were making

419
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,279
their second album. There's also a documentary out called Fanny

420
00:29:46,359 --> 00:29:49,160
The Right to Rock released in twenty twenty one, which

421
00:29:49,279 --> 00:29:52,000
I'm really looking forward to watching because I didn't know

422
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:56,319
that was around this from The New York Times at

423
00:29:56,359 --> 00:29:59,640
the time of the filming of the release of the filming.

424
00:30:00,039 --> 00:30:03,720
When Bobby Joe Hart, the filmmaker, first learned about Fanny online,

425
00:30:03,799 --> 00:30:07,640
she had a visceral reaction. It really pissed me off,

426
00:30:07,759 --> 00:30:12,279
she said. It was just another of example, another example

427
00:30:12,359 --> 00:30:15,519
of amazing women that we don't know about. Heart reached

428
00:30:15,559 --> 00:30:18,160
out to a former band member about the possibility of

429
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,200
a documentary, but determined that at the time the Fanny

430
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:27,079
story didn't have the forward momentum narrative she was looking for. Then,

431
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,880
in January twenty seventeen, Bobby Joe Hart attended the Woman's

432
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,240
March in Washington. She was watching Madonna speak on the

433
00:30:34,319 --> 00:30:38,200
jumbo trod when she spotted a woman with flaming gray

434
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,559
hair on stage, filming the proceedings on her iPhone. It

435
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:46,319
was June Millington. The site spurred Heart to call Millington,

436
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,920
who had some news. Three members of Fanny were about

437
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,240
to make a new album on an indie label. The

438
00:30:52,359 --> 00:30:56,680
moment for the film had arrived, and that's Fanny.

439
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,799
Speaker 8: I'm still hung up on flaming gray hair.

440
00:31:00,359 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 9: I love that description.

441
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 3: Well, I can verify that, but first, let me tell

442
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:07,839
you something that may shock you.

443
00:31:08,599 --> 00:31:13,279
Speaker 9: You'll know, No, I, you're sleeping with one of them.

444
00:31:14,359 --> 00:31:15,839
Speaker 3: No, I was sleeping with David Bowie.

445
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 9: That makes sense.

446
00:31:19,319 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 5: You never saw.

447
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:25,839
Speaker 3: No all right, No I.

448
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:33,359
Speaker 11: Sometime in the early seventies. Okay, either seventy two, seventy three,

449
00:31:34,839 --> 00:31:40,000
maybe seventy four. But I actually saw Fanny perform.

450
00:31:40,359 --> 00:31:41,319
Speaker 5: Are you kidding me?

451
00:31:42,279 --> 00:31:48,599
Speaker 11: I know, I'm shocking, shocking, I know, shocking, But okay,

452
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,480
now it was at It was on Cape Cod, the

453
00:31:53,559 --> 00:31:58,839
Cape Cod Coliseum, which was his cavernous hockey arena, you know,

454
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:04,200
minor league kype of hockey arena, which they also would

455
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,680
have you know, concerts at and they were the opening act.

456
00:32:07,799 --> 00:32:11,799
But I can't fight I believe that it was Chuck Berry,

457
00:32:12,119 --> 00:32:15,359
who was riding high on my dingling at the time,

458
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,960
you know, so he was not literally out there, well

459
00:32:20,519 --> 00:32:21,319
maybe maybe not.

460
00:32:22,279 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 9: Yes, I saw that in my head, not on not

461
00:32:24,799 --> 00:32:25,599
on my dingling.

462
00:32:26,079 --> 00:32:29,319
Speaker 6: No, no, no, did you know David Bowie talt Chuck Berry.

463
00:32:29,119 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 11: Mime little known facts? But yes, okay, but I can't.

464
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,880
I can't verify this or I've I've I've looked it up,

465
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,880
you know, you know, concert list and all that sort

466
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,960
of thing, and I can't. I can't verify this, but

467
00:32:49,119 --> 00:32:53,680
I know it was them. But more recently, i'd say,

468
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,559
maybe like three or four years ago, I went to

469
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,400
some it was kind of a music con, you know,

470
00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:03,480
like a comic con music con type thing up in Massachusetts,

471
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,400
and June Millington was one of the guests, and she

472
00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:10,720
got up and performed, and yes, she had flaming gray

473
00:33:10,839 --> 00:33:14,759
hair and spoke. I spoke to her briefly. You know,

474
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,680
she was sitting at the table, and I think she

475
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,680
was promoting that the documentary you were talking about. I

476
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,440
don't remember exactly, but I mentioned that that I had

477
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,440
seen them play, I believe, not young again, I said,

478
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,640
not far. It was in Massachusetts and opening for Chuck Berry.

479
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,440
But she didn't remember it either. Now, in both of

480
00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:39,440
our defense, this was over fifty years ago. This is

481
00:33:39,559 --> 00:33:45,720
over half a century, okay, Okay. I've been to a

482
00:33:45,839 --> 00:33:49,519
lot of concerts in between before and after that, so

483
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,319
I can't tell you. My memories kind of get blurry

484
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,119
and again for many reasons. But it was, you know,

485
00:33:59,279 --> 00:34:02,119
let's say it was fifty plus years ago. So but

486
00:34:02,359 --> 00:34:06,920
I know I saw them, I know it and again

487
00:34:07,119 --> 00:34:09,719
and I saw her play and I was like, you know,

488
00:34:10,079 --> 00:34:13,000
it was a much smaller venue, and you know, she

489
00:34:13,079 --> 00:34:15,760
got up and did a few songs and it was great.

490
00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:16,760
Speaker 19: Uh.

491
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 11: She and it was Sharie Curry from the Runaways was

492
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,599
also there, and you know, they didn't play together, but

493
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:24,920
you know, they had like a house band and they

494
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:30,880
got up and played individually. So yeah, and unfortunately she

495
00:34:31,039 --> 00:34:34,360
said that her sister Jean had some health issues and

496
00:34:34,559 --> 00:34:37,119
was at the time not doing so well and that

497
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:41,079
you know, she couldn't be there at the at for

498
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:46,400
much of anything, but hopefully she's recovered. And but yeah,

499
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:50,599
I know that June was she was kicking, she was

500
00:34:50,679 --> 00:34:51,679
kicking out the James.

501
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 8: So that that's going to be my band name, Flaming

502
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:56,719
Gray Hair.

503
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:57,599
Speaker 15: I love it.

504
00:34:59,679 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 9: I I'd like to say, when this is an aside

505
00:35:03,559 --> 00:35:05,960
from me, I have to say that I found it

506
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,639
a little bit uncomfortable reading their Wikipedia page because and

507
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,599
I could be wrong on this, and maybe you know,

508
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,679
somebody else wants to look at it and let me know,

509
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,719
but it just seemed like the page gave out much

510
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,880
more personal information than it would have with the male band,

511
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,039
Like it told specifically what small towns they were living in,

512
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,480
you know, which, well that's creepy, which I don't think

513
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,960
they would have done to Like, I can't I never

514
00:35:32,199 --> 00:35:37,360
noticed that in another Wikipedia about a band and they

515
00:35:37,559 --> 00:35:41,039
specific told them told specifically what they were doing like

516
00:35:41,559 --> 00:35:46,519
very specifically, you know, and for one member they listed

517
00:35:46,599 --> 00:35:48,599
their daughter's full name and said that she was a

518
00:35:48,679 --> 00:35:51,320
Playboy model, and I was like, what is to do

519
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:56,079
with anything? Yeah, I was so interesting that it was

520
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:56,800
not cool.

521
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, creepy.

522
00:36:00,679 --> 00:36:02,760
Speaker 9: Anyway, that's Fanny.

523
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:04,639
Speaker 3: All right.

524
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,280
Speaker 6: That's a weird, weird note to end on.

525
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:08,199
Speaker 3: So I.

526
00:36:10,519 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 9: Couldn't fit it in anywhere Beforehannah, and I was not

527
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:14,880
going to say it, so I was trying to bite

528
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,719
my tongue and then I was like, no, this is

529
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,639
making me mad. I really need to say it.

530
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,079
Speaker 3: I don't know, I'll go out on a limb.

531
00:36:21,159 --> 00:36:24,119
Speaker 11: And I agree with you that it is kind of weird,

532
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:29,440
but I think that it's been since the beginning of

533
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:34,760
music time that like all female bands and all that

534
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:40,360
have been under much more scrutiny than their male counterparts.

535
00:36:40,519 --> 00:36:42,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, and.

536
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 11: Yeah, I'm not even going to go into what, you know,

537
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:52,159
the reasons for it, but You're absolutely right. It's like

538
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:57,000
the old Ginger Rogers and fred Astaire. She did everything

539
00:36:57,079 --> 00:37:00,559
that fred Astaire did, only backwards and high.

540
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 9: Heels, and who got the recognition.

541
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:05,159
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.

542
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:09,559
Speaker 12: So yeah, thanks for backing me up.

543
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, agreed, all right, thank you, Mercedes, Gail, We're up to.

544
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,280
Speaker 12: You, okay.

545
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:24,559
Speaker 7: Well, unlike Barbara and Mercedes, my pick that I had

546
00:37:24,679 --> 00:37:30,239
never heard of, never heard in my taste wasn't as

547
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:36,119
successful as Barbara's and Mercedes. This grip's a little rough

548
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:42,679
for me, but that's everybody's taste is different. But I

549
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,400
picked a song from them anyway because I wanted to

550
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:50,360
learn something new and about a new to me band,

551
00:37:50,599 --> 00:37:54,079
So that's why I did it anyway. So the band

552
00:37:54,639 --> 00:37:59,079
is called the Slits, and they were an early punk

553
00:37:59,559 --> 00:38:04,159
and then post punk band formed in London in nineteen

554
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:10,559
seventy six by members of the groups The Flowers of Romance.

555
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 12: And get this one, the Castraders.

556
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,079
Speaker 6: Already they're not bitter about something.

557
00:38:17,559 --> 00:38:21,280
Speaker 12: I wonder if Florina bob It was a fan, oh ouch.

558
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 7: The group's early lineup consisted of Our Up, whose actual

559
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:34,639
name was Arianne Forster, and Paul Molov, also known as

560
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:39,440
Palomo Romero, who played briefly with Let's see if I

561
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:44,519
can pronounce this right spitzen Erghi, and later left to

562
00:38:44,639 --> 00:38:49,920
join the Raincoats with viv Albertine and Tessa Pollitt. Replacing

563
00:38:50,039 --> 00:38:56,719
founding members Kate Horus and Susie Gutsey. Their nineteen seventy

564
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:01,360
nine album, which was their debut, called Cut, has been

565
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:06,280
called one of the defining releases of the post punk era.

566
00:39:07,079 --> 00:39:11,159
Speaker 9: I don't know, I hm, I'm sorry. Is Susie Gutsy

567
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:12,679
herd stage name?

568
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 12: I don't know.

569
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:17,159
Speaker 9: It's Gutsy, you said.

570
00:39:17,079 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 12: Righty's guts Why.

571
00:39:19,199 --> 00:39:20,079
Speaker 9: I kind of love that.

572
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 12: I mean, maybe it's pronounced Guzsi. I don't know, but yeah,

573
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:25,840
that's that's the name.

574
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:32,199
Speaker 7: The song I chose is called instant Hit, and it

575
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:37,039
was written by guitarist viv Albertine regarding her friendship with

576
00:39:37,159 --> 00:39:42,400
her former bandmate and future Sex Pistols Sex Pistols bass

577
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:46,360
player Sid Vicious. They played together in the short lived

578
00:39:46,519 --> 00:39:51,079
band Flowers of Romance. Its theme is Sid's heavy drug

579
00:39:51,119 --> 00:39:55,880
addiction and the consequences it had on their relationship.

580
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,119
Speaker 12: Let's have a listen.

581
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,159
Speaker 7: Like I said to me, it's a little rough, but

582
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:06,599
you know, everybody likes something different. And after we hear it,

583
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:13,000
I'll talk about some really weird to me ins and

584
00:40:13,199 --> 00:40:15,119
outs of who was.

585
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,280
Speaker 5: Related to who and went out with who?

586
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:21,199
Speaker 7: And Oh my goodness and Neil can probably help me

587
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,800
on that a little bit. So let's have a listen.

588
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,639
Speaker 15: Boy, he's very thin.

589
00:40:33,519 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 5: Don't like himself self talks.

590
00:40:43,119 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 16: Talk to.

591
00:41:23,559 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 5: Be suff.

592
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 10: Project, Why time.

593
00:41:54,519 --> 00:42:03,679
Speaker 18: Ny time, John.

594
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:21,119
Speaker 10: Write thing.

595
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 4: Ritnything you.

596
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:55,159
Speaker 17: Scle self docceptual self destoct.

597
00:42:57,039 --> 00:42:57,320
Speaker 4: Sent.

598
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 12: It was interesting, it was It reminded me a little

599
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:05,880
of Chris.

600
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 7: Chris.

601
00:43:08,079 --> 00:43:10,280
Speaker 9: I shouldn't have voted my mouth until I had his name,

602
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,480
you know. Tina Weymouth the band.

603
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:21,639
Speaker 5: Yeah Yeah, so about the album.

604
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:28,159
Speaker 7: Their debut studio album, was released on the seventh of

605
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:32,239
September nineteen seventy nine. It was recorded at Ridge Farm

606
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:39,599
Studios in Rusper, England and produced by Dennis Bovel. It

607
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:44,360
was originally released on Island Records label in the UK

608
00:43:44,679 --> 00:43:48,920
and on Antilles in the US. It reached number thirty

609
00:43:49,039 --> 00:43:52,320
on the UK Album charts at the time. In two

610
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:56,159
thousand and four, it was voted fifty eighth in The

611
00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:01,599
Observer's one hundred Greatest British Albums list. It was also

612
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:05,320
included in the book one thousand and one Albums You

613
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:09,960
Must Hear Before You Die, and in the year twenty twenty,

614
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:14,519
Rolling Stone ranked the album at number two sixty in

615
00:44:14,639 --> 00:44:17,800
its list of the five hundred Greatest Albums of All

616
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:22,639
Time and another track from the album called Typical Girls

617
00:44:23,199 --> 00:44:26,199
at number three eight one in its list of the

618
00:44:26,599 --> 00:44:32,880
five hundred Greatest Songs of All Time. Cut is credited

619
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:37,119
with shaping the nineteen nineties musical movement.

620
00:44:37,519 --> 00:44:38,679
Speaker 12: Riot Girl.

621
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:48,559
Speaker 7: Yeah. Rolling Stone wrote that the riot girl scene, their

622
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:53,159
bands Bikini Kill and Slater Kinney, came to be because

623
00:44:53,199 --> 00:44:59,480
of it. So when I read some of the ins

624
00:44:59,519 --> 00:45:03,519
and out, so who's who and who was married to

625
00:45:03,599 --> 00:45:04,760
who and all that.

626
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:07,760
Speaker 12: Area.

627
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:14,119
Speaker 7: Whose real name was Arianne Forrester. Her mother was married

628
00:45:14,159 --> 00:45:22,000
to Johnny Rotten, and so Johnnie Rotten was her stepdad

629
00:45:23,039 --> 00:45:24,760
and they were kind of close in age.

630
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 11: That That's pretty much. That's that's what happened. I mean,

631
00:45:31,039 --> 00:45:35,320
Nora for Forrester was a like a promoter, so she

632
00:45:35,599 --> 00:45:39,400
was you know connected in you know, she was like friends. Yeah,

633
00:45:40,119 --> 00:45:43,320
she was friends with like Jimmy Hendricks and yeah, you

634
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:48,840
know that, you know, like the generation before and apparently

635
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:55,840
during the you know, the punk era, opened their apartment

636
00:45:55,960 --> 00:46:00,199
or home to all sorts of you know punk people

637
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:01,800
that they would just come and go and kind of

638
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,360
like you know, live there. Yeah, And I guess that's

639
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:11,880
how she met uh, John Lyden aka Johnny Rotten, and yeah,

640
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:16,599
they they got married and it would make Ariy up

641
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:21,400
her his stepdaughter, and they were very close in age.

642
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,239
But let me let me just jump back. A couple

643
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,519
of you were saying, you know that the band of

644
00:46:26,559 --> 00:46:29,880
Flowers of Romance where Sid Vicious was in it now

645
00:46:30,679 --> 00:46:34,440
before he was in the Sex Pistols. Well, it's arguable

646
00:46:34,559 --> 00:46:37,159
because he never really played bass in the Sex Pistols.

647
00:46:37,199 --> 00:46:41,000
He didn't know how they tried to teach him. That's

648
00:46:41,039 --> 00:46:44,239
not a personal no, that's widely.

649
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 12: I just think it's so funny.

650
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,559
Speaker 11: But he played the drums in Flower of Romance and

651
00:46:49,679 --> 00:46:53,400
I don't think he and as far as drumming goes,

652
00:46:53,599 --> 00:46:54,840
he was a great bass player.

653
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:59,679
Speaker 3: So if you see, Yeah, but.

654
00:47:00,599 --> 00:47:04,119
Speaker 9: I remember googling a song like looking for a song

655
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:08,519
that he had actually played bass on in the Sex Pistols.

656
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:11,679
I think there's so many rabbit holes.

657
00:47:13,159 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 11: There's maybe one song that he actually tried to play

658
00:47:16,599 --> 00:47:23,039
and they they buried it, you know. And uh, most

659
00:47:23,079 --> 00:47:25,719
of the bass parts apparently were played by the guitarist

660
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,480
Steve Jones and Glenn Matlock came back and played on

661
00:47:29,639 --> 00:47:32,519
I think one or two and they kept his part

662
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,360
in there, but it was like really low in the mix,

663
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,119
and they played the way it was supposed to play

664
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:39,199
over it.

665
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 9: So, yeah, he's on the record, but.

666
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:49,119
Speaker 11: Yeah, barely. And as far as live, no, they they

667
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:53,360
either they gave him the guitar he had a roady

668
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:57,199
playing the bass behind the amps, or they just or

669
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,320
if they didn't do that, they just turned up the

670
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:03,119
guitar and the bass on the guitar very loud and that,

671
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:03,519
you know.

672
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 3: But he wasn't. He never played a note on stage.

673
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,159
Speaker 12: You would think he would have been like really embarrassed

674
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:10,559
by that.

675
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,199
Speaker 9: I think when you're that high, you don't have to

676
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:14,920
be embarrassed.

677
00:48:15,079 --> 00:48:16,199
Speaker 6: You're getting that much money.

678
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 3: You suck it up.

679
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:17,679
Speaker 1: Yeah.

680
00:48:18,079 --> 00:48:23,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, they call it Vanilli syndrome. Yeah yeah, but to

681
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,039
their credit, they wanted to sing. But that's a whole

682
00:48:25,079 --> 00:48:25,599
nother story.

683
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,760
Speaker 3: But back to arey Up and her mom.

684
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 11: Yeah, he Johnny Rotten was you know, contemporaries, but he

685
00:48:38,079 --> 00:48:43,719
was you know there her it was his stepdaughter. Now

686
00:48:44,119 --> 00:48:47,159
I'm going to jump ahead here. You might have Unfortunately

687
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:53,559
ariy Up passed away from cancer I think in twenty ten.

688
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 3: Now, for all his for all his faults, and foibles,

689
00:48:58,800 --> 00:48:59,719
of which there are many.

690
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 11: I used to work on a internet radio show with

691
00:49:06,559 --> 00:49:10,159
Johnny Rotten back like twenty five or so years ago.

692
00:49:11,639 --> 00:49:16,159
He lived up to his stage name, but to his

693
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:21,119
he and Nora took in her kids and basically adopted

694
00:49:21,159 --> 00:49:23,719
them and raised them, you know.

695
00:49:24,599 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, because she had them, you know, Ari had them

696
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:33,639
and said she couldn't handle them, and they were kind

697
00:49:33,679 --> 00:49:36,760
of running wild from what I understand, didn't know how

698
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:38,920
to read, you know, that kind of thing.

699
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:46,079
Speaker 11: And well, and again in Johnny's favor is credit, I

700
00:49:46,119 --> 00:49:51,719
should say when Nora got older, obviously she was, you know,

701
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:55,559
quite a bit older and died not too long ago

702
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,800
from you know, basically you know old age, I mean,

703
00:50:00,079 --> 00:50:03,639
you know, Alzheimer's, and he nursed her, you know, right

704
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:04,199
to the end.

705
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,800
Speaker 12: Yeah, he was her caregiver. That you gotta give him.

706
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:12,559
Speaker 11: Yeah, no, I'll give him credit for that because yeah,

707
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:17,039
I mean I I can say a lot of bad things,

708
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,760
but in that case, no, he did the right thing.

709
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:21,559
And nothing but respect for that.

710
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 12: Absolutely. Well, thank you for your input. I knew you

711
00:50:27,079 --> 00:50:27,920
would know some.

712
00:50:29,559 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 4: Well.

713
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:34,039
Speaker 11: Actually, back to the slits, I didn't know who they were,

714
00:50:34,119 --> 00:50:37,159
what theyre, so I actually saw It was in a

715
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,920
import section of you know, forty five single from them,

716
00:50:42,639 --> 00:50:44,840
so I kind of bought it on spec to see

717
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:48,960
what what it was all about. And I'll admit that

718
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,360
the cover and the insert was like a poster that

719
00:50:52,519 --> 00:50:54,119
appealed to me more than anything.

720
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:56,760
Speaker 5: Oh the one where.

721
00:50:56,599 --> 00:50:59,639
Speaker 12: They were only wearing like clay or something.

722
00:50:59,679 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, covered in mud, yeah, yeah, mud. Yeah.

723
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,119
Speaker 11: So I was like, oh, you know, of course, you know,

724
00:51:06,679 --> 00:51:09,400
twenty year old me, you or whatever it was twenty

725
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:11,800
one or two year old me. It was like, oh,

726
00:51:12,119 --> 00:51:14,960
you know, And I put on the record and I

727
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,719
think I played it once and it was a a

728
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,320
cover of heard it through the grapevine, you know, the

729
00:51:21,519 --> 00:51:23,559
Martha Reeves Martin.

730
00:51:24,159 --> 00:51:26,639
Speaker 7: Yeah, because I saw that they did a cover of that,

731
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,199
and I didn't have a chance to hear it.

732
00:51:30,559 --> 00:51:32,119
Speaker 3: I was too busy looking at the poster.

733
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 6: He didn't mention it. He played it once and that

734
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:37,480
was yeah.

735
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

736
00:51:38,039 --> 00:51:42,119
Speaker 11: But so that you know, I didn't really follow them

737
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,519
after that, but I was obviously aware of them. You

738
00:51:45,679 --> 00:51:48,599
liked the cover art, Yeah, but no I and and

739
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:51,239
to their credit to yes, they did. They were very

740
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:57,679
influential at the time, and which you mentioned. So yeah,

741
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:03,199
again they was almost ahead of their time too. They

742
00:52:03,199 --> 00:52:07,159
said they sounded like the Tom Tom Club, and they

743
00:52:07,199 --> 00:52:11,480
were in in the you know, much later in the eighties,

744
00:52:11,599 --> 00:52:13,360
late eighties, was somewhere around there.

745
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 9: So yeah, like mid eighties.

746
00:52:15,079 --> 00:52:16,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's okay.

747
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:21,639
Speaker 11: Yeah, but way before nineteen seventy nine and or seventy

748
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:23,800
six when they when they got started.

749
00:52:24,519 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 3: Anyway, that's all I got on the on the slits, and.

750
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:28,519
Speaker 12: That's all I got, too.

751
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:31,039
Speaker 3: Nice.

752
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:32,079
Speaker 6: That was a good one.

753
00:52:32,159 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 9: I always get the slits, the strokes and this struts

754
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:39,880
mixed up.

755
00:52:41,639 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 3: Understandably.

756
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:46,039
Speaker 12: I think I liked the truts and the strokes. I

757
00:52:46,079 --> 00:52:48,239
already knew about them, but I didn't know about the

758
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:49,119
slits yet.

759
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:52,599
Speaker 11: Yeah, and I'm not going to make any more comments either,

760
00:52:54,199 --> 00:52:58,320
all those names. Let's let's leave that to your elective,

761
00:52:58,599 --> 00:52:59,719
vivid imaginations.

762
00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:02,159
Speaker 12: M moving on.

763
00:53:04,079 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 9: We didn't need to prompt Neil, no.

764
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 3: I didn't think.

765
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:10,159
Speaker 6: So we're good. Uh, We're gonna take a break so

766
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,440
Neil can go dig up his old album cover. And

767
00:53:14,079 --> 00:53:15,880
we got one more to go, so stick around.

768
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:16,599
Speaker 19: We'll be right back.

769
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,119
Speaker 3: Hudson River Radio dot com.

770
00:53:26,119 --> 00:53:32,639
Speaker 6: Hudson River Radio dot com, and welcome back. One more

771
00:53:32,679 --> 00:53:36,480
to go and Uh, I'm an eighties kid, so guess

772
00:53:36,519 --> 00:53:39,679
what we're listening to something that Neil probably never hurt.

773
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 12: I like eighties music a lot.

774
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,119
Speaker 11: Yeah, now I was listening to her, but I was

775
00:53:46,199 --> 00:53:48,079
listening to a lot of stuff then. But it was

776
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:50,559
you know, from another galaxy or.

777
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:53,519
Speaker 3: This one. Will try me, try me.

778
00:53:53,679 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, it'll probably ring a bell. I'm sure you've heard

779
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:57,239
this before.

780
00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 16: Uh.

781
00:53:58,159 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 6: We start with the guitarist named Janice lun Kunemund born

782
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,079
in Saint Paul, Minnesota, in nineteen fifty three. She was

783
00:54:05,119 --> 00:54:08,320
a guitarist in high school and put a band together

784
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:12,559
called Lemon Pepper. Lemon Pepper then changed their name to Genesis,

785
00:54:13,079 --> 00:54:18,199
which may have conflicted with some other group that may

786
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:20,519
or may not have existed with a very similar name

787
00:54:20,599 --> 00:54:26,400
maybe yup. So Genesis then became Vixen, which is the

788
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,480
name you may have heard. They split up in nineteen

789
00:54:29,559 --> 00:54:33,199
seventy four. Six years later, Janice put together a totally

790
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,719
different band, but using the Vixen name, and moved them

791
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,480
all out to Los Angeles. They focused on glam metal,

792
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,519
punk rock, and their big break at the time was

793
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:46,719
appearing in the nineteen eighty four movies Heart oh Man

794
00:54:47,159 --> 00:54:51,000
nineteen eighty four movie Hard Bodies, which I had never seen.

795
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,760
Have you seen that Mercedes movie, expert?

796
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 9: I think I've seen clips of it.

797
00:54:56,559 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, I never saw it, but they made an appearance

798
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:03,039
as a band in the movie, and the band name

799
00:55:03,079 --> 00:55:06,320
in the movie is diaper Rash, which I think is hysterical.

800
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,079
Speaker 12: I like that name, right, Yeah, I like that.

801
00:55:10,679 --> 00:55:13,639
Speaker 6: You know, props to them. You gotta take the opportunities

802
00:55:13,639 --> 00:55:20,480
when they come. So yeah, Oh my goodness, telling a

803
00:55:20,559 --> 00:55:21,760
whole story today, are we?

804
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:24,760
Speaker 19: So?

805
00:55:25,079 --> 00:55:27,760
Speaker 6: The lineup when they made it big was Janis on guitar,

806
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:33,639
Janet Gardner on vocals, Sharon cher Ross on bass, and

807
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:37,840
Roxy Petrucci on drums. They played the rock circuit in LA.

808
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:41,360
They wound up getting signed to EMI in nineteen eighty eight.

809
00:55:42,039 --> 00:55:45,599
Their self titled debut album came out in August same year,

810
00:55:45,679 --> 00:55:48,719
nineteen eighty eight, and that album contained their biggest hit,

811
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:50,719
which we are going to come back to in a

812
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:54,239
little bit. Vixen would go on to open for Ozzie

813
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:58,440
the Scorpions, Bon Jovie, Kiss Deep Purple, and they headlined

814
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,039
their own shows while on tour, so they were doing

815
00:56:01,119 --> 00:56:04,280
quite well. But they split up in nineteen ninety two

816
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:08,159
because they weren't really getting along. Five years later, nineteen

817
00:56:08,199 --> 00:56:11,920
ninety seven, Roxy the Drummer reformed a band under the

818
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:15,639
Vixen name and went out on tour until Janie found

819
00:56:15,639 --> 00:56:18,159
out about it, and then Janice wound up suing all

820
00:56:18,199 --> 00:56:20,639
of them because she got left out, and it was

821
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,800
her band name to begin with. Kind of makes you

822
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:26,800
wonder if like she did it, was it her people,

823
00:56:27,079 --> 00:56:30,000
was it, you know whatever? But her camp sued the

824
00:56:30,079 --> 00:56:32,519
rest of the band. She won that lawsuit, so she

825
00:56:32,599 --> 00:56:35,039
got the name of the band back. Then in two

826
00:56:35,079 --> 00:56:38,360
thousand and one, Janice herself reformed the band with Janet

827
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,360
and Roxy the drummer who tried to steal the name,

828
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:45,440
and a new bassist, Pat Holloway. Halfway through the tour,

829
00:56:45,519 --> 00:56:49,559
they imploded and three of them left. Janice wound up

830
00:56:49,599 --> 00:56:51,599
getting three new band members to just come in and

831
00:56:51,679 --> 00:56:55,119
finish the tour. As Vixen makes you wonder if anybody

832
00:56:55,199 --> 00:56:59,360
in the audience, even new, especially in the eighties, with

833
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,119
the Aquinet hair and all that, you could just take

834
00:57:02,159 --> 00:57:03,639
the hair off of one and PLoP it on the

835
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,519
next and probably get away with it unless you were

836
00:57:06,559 --> 00:57:10,719
a diehard fan. In two thousand and four, they all

837
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,159
got along well enough to do an episode of the

838
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:16,960
VH one show Bands Reunited, where they focused on putting

839
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:20,320
bands back together again. That imploded and they would do

840
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:24,320
a one off concert. Some of them stayed together, this

841
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,039
one didn't. They did one episode, did a concert, and

842
00:57:27,079 --> 00:57:28,360
then boom Splitsville.

843
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:29,119
Speaker 3: That was the end of that.

844
00:57:30,679 --> 00:57:34,239
Speaker 6: In twenty twelve, Janie Kooneman was working on reuniting the

845
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:37,920
original lineup again. They were going to make a formal

846
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:42,159
announcement in January of twenty thirteen, but unfortunately, Janis was

847
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:45,599
diagnosed with cancer and she passed away in October twenty

848
00:57:45,679 --> 00:57:50,360
thirteen at age fifty nine. The three remaining members decided

849
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:53,920
to carry on in her honor. So kind of sounds

850
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:56,679
like a relatively happy ending, So the three of them

851
00:57:56,719 --> 00:58:00,760
seemed to be kind of getting along. Is a band

852
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,760
still going under the name Vixen, but the lineup is

853
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:06,599
totally different. Other than Roxy the drummer, she's the only

854
00:58:06,639 --> 00:58:10,679
original member that's there now. Their biggest hit going back

855
00:58:10,679 --> 00:58:13,199
to that eighty eight album was called Edge of a

856
00:58:13,239 --> 00:58:18,679
Broken Heart. It was co written by Richard Marx, who

857
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,440
I happen to like some people like some people do not.

858
00:58:21,639 --> 00:58:24,039
I think I told you that Richard Mark story where

859
00:58:24,559 --> 00:58:28,159
co owner Neil Briscoe, who lives in Texas, we were

860
00:58:28,199 --> 00:58:32,039
working at our college radio station, and he hates Richard Marx,

861
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:35,199
so he took all the Richard Mark CDs out of

862
00:58:35,239 --> 00:58:37,519
the library and put him up in the drop ceiling

863
00:58:38,239 --> 00:58:42,039
so nobody knew where they were. And then many years

864
00:58:42,119 --> 00:58:43,920
we went back for a reunion and he stuck his

865
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,320
hand up there and they weren't there. So I don't

866
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:49,639
know if they someone found him, if he's checking the

867
00:58:49,679 --> 00:58:54,280
wrong ceiling tile, if he fell, But yeah, Richard Mark

868
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:56,880
spent about twenty five years up in the ceiling. As

869
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,880
far as I've seen him live a bunch of times,

870
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,079
I like him. I think he does a good job.

871
00:59:02,159 --> 00:59:05,079
But at the time he wasn't a big solo artist.

872
00:59:05,119 --> 00:59:07,199
He was a songwriter working behind the scenes. He got

873
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:10,760
hired to write a song for this band. They had

874
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:12,840
sent him a demo of some of the stuff they

875
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:14,360
were working on, so he had an idea of their

876
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:17,159
sound and he wanted to write this song for them,

877
00:59:17,199 --> 00:59:20,639
but he was on a very strict time crunch, so

878
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:24,280
he contacted a friend of his, John pee Waybill from

879
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:27,199
the Tubes who was a known weirdo, and they got

880
00:59:27,239 --> 00:59:30,679
together and finished this song and they went on to

881
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:32,800
get in the top forty. He had actually made it

882
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:35,599
to number twenty six. And Vixen with all their hair

883
00:59:35,639 --> 00:59:38,159
and all their aquinet and all their ozone destruction was

884
00:59:38,199 --> 00:59:41,199
in high rotation on MTV back when that was important,

885
00:59:41,239 --> 00:59:46,159
so that definitely helped. After they made it big, Richard

886
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:50,559
and Feed offered to continue writing some songs for them,

887
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:54,960
and the band politely declined because they wanted to focus

888
00:59:55,039 --> 00:59:57,360
on writing their own and Fee made a comment in

889
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:00,800
a couple of interviews that, well, they said no, and

890
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:07,199
you've never heard of Vixen again, have you. So he's

891
01:00:07,199 --> 01:00:10,320
a little bit right on that kind of But they

892
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:12,800
seem to get along with Richard Marx. If you watch

893
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,880
the video for Edge of a Broken Heart, Richard Marx

894
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:17,719
actually makes a cameo in it as a thank you

895
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:21,599
for writing a song. Let's check it out Fixen and

896
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:23,039
Edge of a Broken Heart.

897
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 19: I don't need another dollar nine trying Nile is a

898
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:15,679
thing back the way and I can be a bit recently.

899
01:01:17,119 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 4: I didn't do that.

900
01:01:18,719 --> 01:01:23,519
Speaker 14: I don't broken hot, I don't want I don't want

901
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:25,320
I don't.

902
01:01:26,639 --> 01:01:31,039
Speaker 4: Don't broke in hot. Don't you wonder why I gotta.

903
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:43,079
Speaker 2: Think she's I can never have a chance to a

904
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:49,280
change John too? Did you think that I'm a time

905
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:50,280
of chance?

906
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:57,159
Speaker 14: Well and dancing bru, I'm not doing it some way to.

907
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 1: Know something in that to so demon cry to s.

908
01:02:12,719 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 4: Pocuns happened. I want, I want.

909
01:02:19,119 --> 01:02:24,679
Speaker 13: The ads pocus hop dot wonder why bag thank.

910
01:02:27,079 --> 01:02:28,079
Speaker 18: Outside to.

911
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:31,679
Speaker 4: Something like you.

912
01:02:33,679 --> 01:02:35,599
Speaker 14: To contained as well?

913
01:02:36,719 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 1: And you're gonna be don think that.

914
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:13,079
Speaker 4: I'm enjoying its bay.

915
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 18: The nipm.

916
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:38,679
Speaker 19: So brock, it will happens. I'm Crockett, happen to wonder

917
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:45,480
world pocket don't happen.

918
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 4: Times of Crocks wander wild My god.

919
01:03:55,480 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 6: Second, can you smell the hairspray?

920
01:04:28,159 --> 01:04:29,239
Speaker 9: Absolutely right?

921
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 6: The openness, the open CD and there's a little poof

922
01:04:33,119 --> 01:04:41,039
of aquinate that just comes out. It's catchy, right, definitely eighties, Oh.

923
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 3: To use the phrase totally eighties, totally totally.

924
01:04:49,679 --> 01:04:52,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, So Neil made it. I'm throwing Neil right under

925
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:54,519
the bus. He made a comment while I was playing

926
01:04:54,559 --> 01:04:57,239
that it just sounds like pretty much every other eighties

927
01:04:57,880 --> 01:04:59,079
hair metal kind of thing.

928
01:05:00,039 --> 01:05:02,599
Speaker 11: You're correct, kind it does? I mean you know, quiet

929
01:05:02,719 --> 01:05:05,840
Riot and all that. You know, I'm not I'm not,

930
01:05:06,159 --> 01:05:08,760
I'm not critiquing it. I'm just saying that it was

931
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:13,480
very it was the style interchangeable, Yeah, and that was

932
01:05:13,719 --> 01:05:16,000
that was what was big at the time, not only

933
01:05:16,079 --> 01:05:17,119
their hair but the sound.

934
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 6: Very true.

935
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:20,440
Speaker 19: So there you go.

936
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 6: That's it. We end in the eighties this week. What

937
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:25,159
else can I say?

938
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 9: There are so many good girl groups out there when

939
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:33,760
you start looking through them, Oh my god, I know, right,

940
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:39,760
like way back in the sixties, and it's just yeah,

941
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:41,679
I should do another show like that.

942
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 6: We can definitely revisit this. I have no problem coming

943
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:48,239
back to the prior topics. So there's always you can

944
01:05:48,239 --> 01:05:50,199
always dig a little deeper, and there's always you know,

945
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:52,480
you work your way backwards, and you really, you know,

946
01:05:52,639 --> 01:05:54,599
think about all the stuff that we don't even know

947
01:05:54,679 --> 01:05:59,519
about from before records, before recording and all that, all

948
01:05:59,559 --> 01:06:02,039
the stuff that was put out. Most songs that were

949
01:06:02,039 --> 01:06:05,159
written we'll never know about because they just weren't saved anywhere.

950
01:06:05,719 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 9: You couldn't, you know, and they were on sheet music, even.

951
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:11,119
Speaker 6: The ones on sheet music. If the sheet music didn't survive,

952
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:16,400
if nobody's got a copy anywhere, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

953
01:06:16,559 --> 01:06:19,360
so it's worth it. It's worth digging because you never

954
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:22,480
know what you're gonna find. And uh, you know, just

955
01:06:23,519 --> 01:06:25,960
if you find something that's in the public domain, now

956
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:27,719
you re record it and make a big hit out

957
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:33,400
of it. There you go. So yeah, all right, So

958
01:06:33,559 --> 01:06:35,599
why don't we pull the plug for tonight. You guys

959
01:06:35,639 --> 01:06:39,320
have any final comments, final thoughts before we ridy here?

960
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:40,440
Speaker 11: Not?

961
01:06:40,599 --> 01:06:43,199
Speaker 12: Then good listen, go listen to some music.

962
01:06:43,519 --> 01:06:47,679
Speaker 6: Agreed, agreed, So excellent selections across the board as always,

963
01:06:47,719 --> 01:06:50,119
So thank you cram Bones, and thank you all for

964
01:06:50,239 --> 01:06:51,920
joining us here for the Rock and Roll History Show.

965
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:54,639
Don't forget to subscribe in your favorite podcast app and

966
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:56,360
check out all the other shows we do with Hudson

967
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:59,719
River Radio because there is something for everybody. We're off

968
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:02,440
next week. We're back the week after with a special

969
01:07:02,519 --> 01:07:04,440
surprise that I'm not telling you about just in case

970
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:06,840
it doesn't work out, but we hope to see you then.

971
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:10,440
Until then, have a great weekend and be safe. Everybody.

972
01:07:10,679 --> 01:07:11,679
Piece out.

973
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:15,599
Speaker 5: Com a rock top bottom it rum.

974
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:19,239
Speaker 13: Okay, bye bye.

975
01:07:21,239 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 6: Hudson River Radio dot com a subsidiary of Glacier Entertainment LLC.

976
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:27,400
Speaker 5: Potentially successful.

977
01:07:27,519 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 6: It is multi hundred dollars Corporation