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<v Speaker 1>We'll start things off on a Wednesday with Kyle Bonnagerra Kyle,

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<v Speaker 1>Happy Wednesday, buddy.

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<v Speaker 2>How are we doing?

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<v Speaker 3>You know? So I found myself really relating to Cam

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<v Speaker 3>Rising this week because on Monday and night actually dislocated

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<v Speaker 3>my finger. Visited the orthopedis yesterday. That diagnoses three to

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<v Speaker 3>six weeks. I should have full mobility back in my finger.

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<v Speaker 3>So I really know what it's like to go through

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<v Speaker 3>the riggers and he's going through right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Kyle, at least we know what you're going through,

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<v Speaker 1>because we have no idea still what.

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<v Speaker 2>Cam Rising's going through.

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<v Speaker 1>I really wasn't gonna ask you again because you joined

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<v Speaker 1>us last week, but I'm sorry I have to. We're

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<v Speaker 1>sitting here Wednesday of game week, and it's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>the same deal. I've heard from a couple of people

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<v Speaker 1>up there that there's a little bit of a I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, there's a little momentum in the direction of

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<v Speaker 1>simply just riding with Isaac. Let's go with the kid,

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<v Speaker 1>but that hasn't been decided. We could see him on Friday.

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<v Speaker 1>You're the guy here, Kyle, mister college college football, Kyle

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<v Speaker 1>bona girl, what's the take this week?

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<v Speaker 2>On where we find ourselves for.

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<v Speaker 1>The seventieth straight week with the ambiguity surrounding Cam Rising.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so it's a lot of guesswork still, right, But

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<v Speaker 3>I think this week will be really telling about the

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<v Speaker 3>rest of the season, because look, if he was close

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of weeks ago, close last you know, two

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<v Speaker 3>weeks ago, then you have a bye week and he's

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<v Speaker 3>still not back coming off the buy. At that point,

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<v Speaker 3>it's like, Okay, I feel like the assumption just should

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<v Speaker 3>be that it's Wilson until there's any reason to think otherwise.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, you know, I don't have a great sense,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, either way for ASU on Friday. But look,

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<v Speaker 3>regardless of what happens, I think it'll be pretty telling

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<v Speaker 3>about what to expect after that, because, like I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>it's it's all comical to talk about at this point.

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<v Speaker 3>It's been the same thing for so long. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>like the longer this goes, the more you kind of

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<v Speaker 3>feel like, yeah, it might as well kind of just

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<v Speaker 3>go with Wilson and hope that you're kind of developing

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<v Speaker 3>to the teacher. At that point. It's a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>play to say that, confinument. I mean, there's still four

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<v Speaker 3>and one there's everything to play for. But that feels

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<v Speaker 3>like the sense I'm getting just watching this all play out.

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<v Speaker 1>So, as I reference, there are some people in the

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<v Speaker 1>market that believe the time isn't all that far off

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<v Speaker 1>from just rolling with Isaac Wilson. Now, my opinion on

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<v Speaker 1>that is that Cameron makes such a difference that no

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<v Speaker 1>matter when he's ready, he should get the job back.

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<v Speaker 1>But if Cam's not ready Friday and it's Isaac once again,

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<v Speaker 1>in your opinion, are we approaching a point where it's

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<v Speaker 1>only fair to the team and fair to the fan base,

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<v Speaker 1>even though Kyle doesn't give a rip about that it's

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<v Speaker 1>not his job and and fair to Isaac Wilson to

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<v Speaker 1>maybe just roll with him. Or do you believe that

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<v Speaker 1>whenever Cam is ready, he's back under center, even if

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<v Speaker 1>it's in like seven weeks.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So, I think the obligation Kyle has as the

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<v Speaker 3>head coach is the play whoever gives the program the

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<v Speaker 3>best chance to win. And so if I think is

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<v Speaker 3>an improving market lead over the next few weeks Cam's

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<v Speaker 3>healthy later in the year, I still think, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>circumstances will play a role in that too, Like if

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<v Speaker 3>you're if you're six and one and you're winning to

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<v Speaker 3>spite your quarterback play, or you're nine and when you're

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<v Speaker 3>winning despite pull quarterback play and CAM at that point,

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<v Speaker 3>it like represents an upgrade. Like I think you've got

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<v Speaker 3>to go back to CAM at that point. But if

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<v Speaker 3>cam's limited in a way still where you can't throw

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<v Speaker 3>the ball accurately or whatever, the reason might be. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a number of ways, like you know, a scenario

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<v Speaker 3>that you can kind of map map out, then you

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<v Speaker 3>would go with Wilson. I think it's bottom line, whoever

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<v Speaker 3>gives you the best chance to win, you know, but

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<v Speaker 3>like that that's if you have a lot to play

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<v Speaker 3>for it if they lose the next four games or whatever, right,

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<v Speaker 3>and the season the season is in a place where, look,

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<v Speaker 3>you're playing for like kind of a third to year

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<v Speaker 3>Bowl game, right, and that's those are the stakes at

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<v Speaker 3>the end of the year. Then I think it's there's

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<v Speaker 3>probably more value for the program to to let ISAAC

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<v Speaker 3>continue to develop and then maybe that there's a benefit

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<v Speaker 3>next year in doing that. But yeah, I think you

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<v Speaker 3>kind of have to look at a week by week

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<v Speaker 3>you can kind of make like run through the list

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<v Speaker 3>of all the kind of the factors that the player

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<v Speaker 3>a role in that decision.

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<v Speaker 1>So the fact of the matter is, Isaac has seven interceptions.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no team the top twenty five that has a

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<v Speaker 1>quarterback with more than five.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet they're four and one, and that is all that matters.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, Okay State might just be bad, Baylor might just

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<v Speaker 1>be bad, and then they beat up on Southern Utah

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<v Speaker 1>and Utah State. So there is a world that exists

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<v Speaker 1>where the conversation sounds like, how tested has Isaac really been?

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<v Speaker 2>Arizona rolled in here and you were there.

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<v Speaker 1>You watch them simply beat Utah in the trenches, which

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<v Speaker 1>nobody does, and certainly not a team like Arizona that

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<v Speaker 1>didn't seem like they were equipped to hang with Utah's physicality.

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<v Speaker 1>So you've seen it up close. Let's just start in

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<v Speaker 1>a vacuum. Arizona State Friday night, eight thirty, Kenny Dillingham

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<v Speaker 1>has that team off to a solid start. If it's

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<v Speaker 1>Isaac under center, what do you think happens Friday night

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<v Speaker 1>down in Tempe.

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's it's still so hard for me to sit

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<v Speaker 3>here and predict Arizona State to beat Utah. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>in whatever week six of the twenty twenty fourth season,

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<v Speaker 3>because you know, coming into the year, like the expectations

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<v Speaker 3>are so far apart. But now that Arizona State is

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<v Speaker 3>off to a four and one start, it's they're in

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<v Speaker 3>a different place, right and then and then there there

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<v Speaker 3>their schedule is a little bit deceiving as well, right,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, Texas State is okay, but that was a

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<v Speaker 3>close game that they could have lost. Mississuppi State is terrible,

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<v Speaker 3>Wyoming is terrible, Kansas is one in five. Those are

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<v Speaker 3>their wins. Right in Texas techjury is still out on

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<v Speaker 3>how good, on how good they are, so like we

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<v Speaker 3>don't we the records here, both teams are four and one,

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<v Speaker 3>but I think there's still so much learn about both

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<v Speaker 3>teams that have a really great feeling about it. So

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I'll still default to thinking that Utah should

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<v Speaker 3>be should beat Arizona State. You know, that's not being

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<v Speaker 3>said like it's a question. It's a valid question now,

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that's that's the point, right. The fact

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<v Speaker 3>that this is a game that looks like it should

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<v Speaker 3>be closed and could go either way, I think speaks

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<v Speaker 3>to the directions of both programs. You know, here in

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<v Speaker 3>early October.

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<v Speaker 1>So Fox Big neon kickoff is in provo this week.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know were you probably you're a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit younger.

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<v Speaker 1>Were you in college when Urban Meyer was coaching Utah two.

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<v Speaker 2>Thousand and five, two thousand and four to two thousand.

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<v Speaker 3>And five, Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I started college in

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<v Speaker 3>three so he was. He was at Utah's end. So

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<v Speaker 3>for I got to kind of watch that whole kind

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<v Speaker 3>of the evolution process of of Utah football that for

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<v Speaker 3>the last two decades or so.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the reasons Urban will always be legendary around

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<v Speaker 1>here is that still to this day, I'll use my

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<v Speaker 1>brother in law as an example. Now, Kyle, you need

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<v Speaker 1>to know a couple of things about my brother in law.

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<v Speaker 1>When to b Yu, he is approaching fifty Still to

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<v Speaker 1>this day, he has a T shirt with his dorm

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<v Speaker 1>room number on it, and he and his buddies go.

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<v Speaker 2>To one BYU Game of Year.

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<v Speaker 1>I swear he has Cosmo pajamas. He denies it, but

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<v Speaker 1>if you ask him, if you ask him who is

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<v Speaker 1>the most hated figure from Utah football all time, he

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<v Speaker 1>will not hesitate, and he will say Urban Meyer. And

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<v Speaker 1>he's not alone because when Urban was here, he coined

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<v Speaker 1>the phrase team down south, he refused to Now, it's

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<v Speaker 1>used in other rivalries, but Urban brought it here. He

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<v Speaker 1>refused to even say BYU. And that's been adopted by

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<v Speaker 1>other folks in Utah circles, and he kicked their trash.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he smoked them and then ultimately brought Utah

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<v Speaker 1>football in a very short time to a place that

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<v Speaker 1>even BYU football probably dreamed of being.

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<v Speaker 2>Back.

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<v Speaker 1>Then, my man's going to be down in Provo with

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<v Speaker 1>Fox Big noon kickoff coming up against Arizona, I have

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<v Speaker 1>to imagine he's going to be greeted with quite the

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<v Speaker 1>venomous response from BYU fans.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I didn't know. I didn't know the history of that.

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<v Speaker 3>Adopt more up on that, but yeah, I mean he

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I guess the other part about he's like

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<v Speaker 3>naturally kind of an unlikable guy proponents. It's just like

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<v Speaker 3>that's the general consensus on him. So if you're not

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<v Speaker 3>only does he have that vibe for like neutral fans,

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<v Speaker 3>but I can only imagine if you add the rivalry

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<v Speaker 3>aspect on top of that in like flaming animosity. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean that gives me a gives me a reason

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<v Speaker 3>to tune into to that one Staturday morning.

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<v Speaker 1>So you've seen Arizona up close, and the game you

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<v Speaker 1>saw up close here in saw Lake, they were very impressive.

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<v Speaker 1>Then they lose to Texas Tech, and we'll get to

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<v Speaker 1>at some point. I just want to ask you, like,

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<v Speaker 1>who's good, because I don't know, maybe Texas Tech is good,

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<v Speaker 1>no clue, uh b YU is getting four and a

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<v Speaker 1>half points at home, and of course they're one of

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<v Speaker 1>uh well really one of only two undefeated teams overall

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<v Speaker 1>with Iowa State in the mix, then five undefeated teams

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<v Speaker 1>in conference, a lot of momentum down south Man, how

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<v Speaker 1>do you see BYU Arizona playing out?

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<v Speaker 3>For me? This is gonna be the measuring stick for

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<v Speaker 3>buy because I didn't touch much of the case State

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<v Speaker 3>win and that's kind of like, hey, SMUs, I guess

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<v Speaker 3>this looks like a pretty good win now too. But

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's at a point in the year where

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<v Speaker 3>by a U has earned the attention of of of

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<v Speaker 3>the national media. Right, there wasn't really a whole lot

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<v Speaker 3>to like coming into the year, uh you know, but

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<v Speaker 3>now it's you know, you kind of have to have

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<v Speaker 3>to start paying attention. So like, yeah, I mean Arizona

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<v Speaker 3>for me the disappointment. I was blown away by no

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<v Speaker 3>Fafiita after he came you know, you know, entered the

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<v Speaker 3>frame last year and is kind of what he did

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<v Speaker 3>down the stretch. Really disappointed though with what that offensive

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<v Speaker 3>looked like. And then they have the best receiver in

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<v Speaker 3>college football and to turn the team act of there

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<v Speaker 3>and so for them to be as unimpressive we can

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<v Speaker 3>we get out offensively, that back for me has has

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<v Speaker 3>been a surprise. And so, uh, yeah, could they find it? Sure?

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<v Speaker 3>Buyu is obviously you know, defensively they've been good, right,

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<v Speaker 3>I Mean it wasn't great against why against Baylor last week,

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<v Speaker 3>but certainly to that point, I think what I don't

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<v Speaker 3>even know if they've given up had given up even twenty

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<v Speaker 3>points in a game until last league. Yeah, so we'll

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<v Speaker 3>we'll find out more, uh this week. And I the

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<v Speaker 3>other thing that does the Big Twelve is if you

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<v Speaker 3>look at like up and down the standings, right like

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<v Speaker 3>it's it's a rare conference of where LA Kansas is

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<v Speaker 3>really bad this year and Baylor is bad and Oklahoma

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<v Speaker 3>there are three and three teams in the conference, Like

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<v Speaker 3>team in the conference, I don't think you would be surprised,

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<v Speaker 3>and very like vibes of the PAC twelve in that respect,

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<v Speaker 3>just I don't think there's a great team, but there's

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<v Speaker 3>like anything can happen, which is which is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>That leads me to my next question, and you may

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<v Speaker 1>have just answered a little bit, uh who's good? Like

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<v Speaker 1>I mean cause because really you could make like, look,

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<v Speaker 1>legit and they're there, they've already you surpassed expectations. But

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<v Speaker 1>even with a team like b YU, like that case

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<v Speaker 1>State game man, that was serious Angels in the out

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<v Speaker 1>now respect for by U. Aaron Rodger called the kill shots,

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<v Speaker 2>They caused the chaos.

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<v Speaker 1>Baylor isn't very good and they made that game really interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>You're right about the SMU win. That looks better and

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<v Speaker 1>better and better. I mean, nobody was talking about Texas Tech.

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<v Speaker 1>A few people had Iowa State on the radar. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if you consider Colorado good because you don't

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<v Speaker 1>trust them. And I still think Utah can be good.

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<v Speaker 1>But the caveat, of course his health. So who's good

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<v Speaker 1>Kyle in the big twelve right now?

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<v Speaker 2>Who's good?

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<v Speaker 3>Pretty well? There? I mean, I think like if there's

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<v Speaker 3>reason to be like competent in Iowa stated like I

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<v Speaker 3>think they had something like eighteen starter that's something exact number,

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<v Speaker 3>but they had a lot of starters and a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of production coming back from last year. So I guess

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<v Speaker 3>it's as far as who you should be the most

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<v Speaker 3>COMPETENTD like that would be the case for Iowa state

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<v Speaker 3>is just like the continuity is there in a way

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<v Speaker 3>that you know what it isn't the case other places.

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<v Speaker 3>But man, I'll have a hard time voucher for anyone

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<v Speaker 3>really at this point because I think like the Uyu

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<v Speaker 3>have the SMU one is actually probably the best win.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like atl non conference when I would state Iowa,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not really a big Iowa you know advocate, but

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<v Speaker 3>I guess that's starting to hang your out on Robert

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<v Speaker 3>Gate early in the year. Yeah, Like I'd love to

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<v Speaker 3>have a hot take and be like, you know, this

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<v Speaker 3>is for sure, the best team, but like I like

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<v Speaker 3>you know this, I do both projections every week, and

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<v Speaker 3>so you have to kind of pick one. I had

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<v Speaker 3>Duyu as the as the pick this week. You to

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<v Speaker 3>call it a coin flip between them and Iowa State.

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<v Speaker 3>Colorado's kind of approaching that territory where you're like, wait,

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<v Speaker 3>are are are they good? Because you know, man, I

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<v Speaker 3>was telling you a few weeks ago, I think I

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<v Speaker 3>thought it was about ready to implode, and that doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>look like the case anymore at all, especially after beating

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<v Speaker 3>DUCF the way they did a couple of weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 3>So they actually might be might be good, which is

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<v Speaker 3>hard for me to admit, but I think that you

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<v Speaker 3>just kind of have to acknowledge reality when we have

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<v Speaker 3>these discussions. So, yeah, like the few undefeated teams on them,

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<v Speaker 3>he was a great team, but I think there's a

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<v Speaker 3>teams like I think the team that finishes with top

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<v Speaker 3>the standings could have two conference flops as it's shaping

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<v Speaker 3>up as that type of year.

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<v Speaker 1>So I've never been a Tuscaloosa I'd like to attend

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<v Speaker 1>a football game down there. I think it'd be cool

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<v Speaker 1>to see Brian Denny Stadium, and I cheer for Kaylen.

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<v Speaker 2>Debor former PAC twelve buddy of ours. And you know Vandy.

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<v Speaker 2>Look let me start here.

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<v Speaker 1>That can't happen if you're Alabama, period. But Vandy, you

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<v Speaker 1>know they beat VA Tech. You know they took Mazoo

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<v Speaker 1>to overtime. They're not the dormant that they typically are.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, they're the only school in the SEC where

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<v Speaker 1>you actually do have to fill out paperwork if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to attend, So it's a little bit more difficult

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<v Speaker 1>for them to get the talent some.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the other schools get.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think Kaylen de Bor's week has been

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<v Speaker 1>like down in Tuscaloosa after being upset by Vandy.

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<v Speaker 3>I really like Kalen a lot. I got to spend

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of time with the one who's at Washington,

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<v Speaker 3>and I found myself genuinely feeling for the guy this

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<v Speaker 3>week as much as a can a guy who makes,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, twelve million dollars or whatever it is to

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<v Speaker 3>do his job. But if he hadn't been Georgia the

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<v Speaker 3>week before, I mean I feel like he would like

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<v Speaker 3>he would be on the hot seat, Like no joke.

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<v Speaker 3>That's how bad losing to Bandy is. If you're the

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<v Speaker 3>coach at Alabama, and there's like a lot of stats

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<v Speaker 3>about points allowed and last time this type of happen.

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<v Speaker 3>Like last time, this happetype type stuff that has kind

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<v Speaker 3>of emerged after losing to Randy. But yeah, you just

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<v Speaker 3>can't do that. I mean, he's getting take into task

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<v Speaker 3>now because of like his sideline attire. It's very like

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<v Speaker 3>Obama tan suit vibes with that. It's like there's everything

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<v Speaker 3>that anything that it's possibly grounds for criticism now is

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<v Speaker 3>going to be people are going to take their shots. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you you have a really impressive win against Georgia, then

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<v Speaker 3>you have this disaster. Like the tail of two weeks

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<v Speaker 3>is about as starking contrast as can possibly be. But

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<v Speaker 3>the thing is is the way that the playoff format

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<v Speaker 3>is now, Like I still think Alabama's in a good

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<v Speaker 3>spot to reach the playoff, right, as long as that happens,

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<v Speaker 3>the end of year results are going to see how

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<v Speaker 3>he's how he's measured. It's he's to take a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of hate until, you know, until he's kind of earned

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<v Speaker 3>his way back into their good graces. But yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 3>that's a bad look. And especially year one, early in

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<v Speaker 3>the year replacing Nick Saban, it's the absolute worst case

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<v Speaker 3>scenario is losing to Vanderbilt. For Kailin Deboor.

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<v Speaker 1>Since we talked to you last week and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you did a good job with this with game day

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<v Speaker 1>being in Berkeley, your thoughts that that was rough, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I felt bad. I felt bad for Cal a guy,

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<v Speaker 1>Roxy Bernstein. Your thoughts on the scene and how it

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<v Speaker 1>played out after Miami got to win.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So, I mean I live near cal like half

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<v Speaker 3>an hour away, grew up here, and so I kind

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<v Speaker 3>of grew up with going to cow games and experience

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<v Speaker 3>it them and didn't go to Cal or anything like that,

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<v Speaker 3>but like certainly has an affinity for like the fans

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<v Speaker 3>and just like the people of the region. Uh. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it went from like they showed out for game day.

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<v Speaker 3>I was over there for a little bit just to

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<v Speaker 3>kind of get a sense of the vibe. And it

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<v Speaker 3>was really an incredible special day for Berkeley, for the

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<v Speaker 3>athletic department, the football progam all those things, and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>for three quarters it looked like it was gonna be

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<v Speaker 3>one of the most you know, there's gonna be nothing

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<v Speaker 3>bad happened to blow at twenty five point second half lead,

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<v Speaker 3>like on that day of all days, it's about a

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<v Speaker 3>severe gut punches as they could have taken. I think

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<v Speaker 3>still they'll remember it favorably, like the whole experience and

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<v Speaker 3>just kind of the direction the program is headed. There's

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<v Speaker 3>like a lot of good vibes there, but man to

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<v Speaker 3>implode the way they did late, it's tough. And look,

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<v Speaker 3>you know it was absolutely targeting at the end of

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<v Speaker 3>the game too, so you had that element like Cows

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<v Speaker 3>shouldn't have been in the position because but kind of

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<v Speaker 3>a poor decision from the referee changed the change the

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<v Speaker 3>trajectory of it. Right, Like two weeks in a row

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<v Speaker 3>that Miami had a you know, a very helpful officiating

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<v Speaker 3>decisions swinging the swing the outcome of the game for them.

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<v Speaker 3>They've been with two different decisions for four and two

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<v Speaker 3>as opposed to six and Oh and you know, Kal

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<v Speaker 3>could be sitting here with one loss if the correct

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<v Speaker 3>call goes their way.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Kyle, last thing and I'll set you loose.

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<v Speaker 1>I have been Otson, I know you have too, And

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<v Speaker 1>what an experience. You know, it's not the biggest stadium

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<v Speaker 1>in the world. Ohio State is seen bigger, but they

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<v Speaker 1>probably have also seen louder. They're not going to be

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<v Speaker 1>stung by the moment. That's just not an easy place

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<v Speaker 1>to play. And that's kind of the banner game of

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<v Speaker 1>the weekend coming up five point thirty prime time.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think happens up in Eugene? Before I

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<v Speaker 2>say you loose?

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<v Speaker 3>I loved it up in this one. I think that

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<v Speaker 3>they're they're progressing in a way to have me feeling

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<v Speaker 3>really confident about about what the operation looks like. But

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<v Speaker 3>I mean this is like this is the example of

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<v Speaker 3>like why Media Network says like pushed for push for

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<v Speaker 3>conference realignment. Right, you get a number three rank for

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<v Speaker 3>Oregon hosting number two Ohio State in October. I mean

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<v Speaker 3>these games like that's as big as a game as

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<v Speaker 3>you can see, right, And so I mean I won't

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<v Speaker 3>be either. I just kind of hopeing I would get that,

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<v Speaker 3>get that assignment. But certainly, you know, it says it's

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<v Speaker 3>also like for the ghost of the PAC twelve kind

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<v Speaker 3>of a big game, right of like you know, still

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<v Speaker 3>I still feel like there's this affinity for the teams

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<v Speaker 3>who were in the conference in their new conference homes,

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<v Speaker 3>and so I think that there's almost like abruptherhood there

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<v Speaker 3>that the people on the West Coast can kind of

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<v Speaker 3>point to you and kind of say, hey, look, big

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<v Speaker 3>time college football exists on this part, in this part

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<v Speaker 3>of the country. I think that's why I like Cal's

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<v Speaker 3>showman in game Day was like kind of a big deal. Right.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I mean, Ohio State hasn't really played anyone either,

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<v Speaker 3>and so we'll see, we'll see who's the real.

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<v Speaker 2>Kyle, you're the man.

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<v Speaker 1>Appreciate the time this week, have a great week, enjoy

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<v Speaker 1>the college football.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll get you back soon. Okay, sounds good. Thanks all right,

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<v Speaker 2>Kyle blon Gar from ESPN