Speaker 1: We'll start things off on a Wednesday with Kyle Bonnagerra Kyle,
Speaker 1: Happy Wednesday, buddy.
Speaker 2: How are we doing?
Speaker 3: You know? So I found myself really relating to Cam
Speaker 3: Rising this week because on Monday and night actually dislocated
Speaker 3: my finger. Visited the orthopedis yesterday. That diagnoses three to
Speaker 3: six weeks. I should have full mobility back in my finger.
Speaker 3: So I really know what it's like to go through
Speaker 3: the riggers and he's going through right now.
Speaker 1: Well, Kyle, at least we know what you're going through,
Speaker 1: because we have no idea still what.
Speaker 2: Cam Rising's going through.
Speaker 1: I really wasn't gonna ask you again because you joined
Speaker 1: us last week, but I'm sorry I have to. We're
Speaker 1: sitting here Wednesday of game week, and it's kind of
Speaker 1: the same deal. I've heard from a couple of people
Speaker 1: up there that there's a little bit of a I
Speaker 1: don't know, there's a little momentum in the direction of
Speaker 1: simply just riding with Isaac. Let's go with the kid,
Speaker 1: but that hasn't been decided. We could see him on Friday.
Speaker 1: You're the guy here, Kyle, mister college college football, Kyle
Speaker 1: bona girl, what's the take this week?
Speaker 2: On where we find ourselves for.
Speaker 1: The seventieth straight week with the ambiguity surrounding Cam Rising.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's a lot of guesswork still, right, But
Speaker 3: I think this week will be really telling about the
Speaker 3: rest of the season, because look, if he was close
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks ago, close last you know, two
Speaker 3: weeks ago, then you have a bye week and he's
Speaker 3: still not back coming off the buy. At that point,
Speaker 3: it's like, Okay, I feel like the assumption just should
Speaker 3: be that it's Wilson until there's any reason to think otherwise.
Speaker 3: You know, you know, I don't have a great sense,
Speaker 3: you know, either way for ASU on Friday. But look,
Speaker 3: regardless of what happens, I think it'll be pretty telling
Speaker 3: about what to expect after that, because, like I mean,
Speaker 3: it's it's all comical to talk about at this point.
Speaker 3: It's been the same thing for so long. But yeah,
Speaker 3: like the longer this goes, the more you kind of
Speaker 3: feel like, yeah, it might as well kind of just
Speaker 3: go with Wilson and hope that you're kind of developing
Speaker 3: to the teacher. At that point. It's a little bit
Speaker 3: play to say that, confinument. I mean, there's still four
Speaker 3: and one there's everything to play for. But that feels
Speaker 3: like the sense I'm getting just watching this all play out.
Speaker 1: So, as I reference, there are some people in the
Speaker 1: market that believe the time isn't all that far off
Speaker 1: from just rolling with Isaac Wilson. Now, my opinion on
Speaker 1: that is that Cameron makes such a difference that no
Speaker 1: matter when he's ready, he should get the job back.
Speaker 1: But if Cam's not ready Friday and it's Isaac once again,
Speaker 1: in your opinion, are we approaching a point where it's
Speaker 1: only fair to the team and fair to the fan base,
Speaker 1: even though Kyle doesn't give a rip about that it's
Speaker 1: not his job and and fair to Isaac Wilson to
Speaker 1: maybe just roll with him. Or do you believe that
Speaker 1: whenever Cam is ready, he's back under center, even if
Speaker 1: it's in like seven weeks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So, I think the obligation Kyle has as the
Speaker 3: head coach is the play whoever gives the program the
Speaker 3: best chance to win. And so if I think is
Speaker 3: an improving market lead over the next few weeks Cam's
Speaker 3: healthy later in the year, I still think, you know,
Speaker 3: circumstances will play a role in that too, Like if
Speaker 3: you're if you're six and one and you're winning to
Speaker 3: spite your quarterback play, or you're nine and when you're
Speaker 3: winning despite pull quarterback play and CAM at that point,
Speaker 3: it like represents an upgrade. Like I think you've got
Speaker 3: to go back to CAM at that point. But if
Speaker 3: cam's limited in a way still where you can't throw
Speaker 3: the ball accurately or whatever, the reason might be. Right,
Speaker 3: there's a number of ways, like you know, a scenario
Speaker 3: that you can kind of map map out, then you
Speaker 3: would go with Wilson. I think it's bottom line, whoever
Speaker 3: gives you the best chance to win, you know, but
Speaker 3: like that that's if you have a lot to play
Speaker 3: for it if they lose the next four games or whatever, right,
Speaker 3: and the season the season is in a place where, look,
Speaker 3: you're playing for like kind of a third to year
Speaker 3: Bowl game, right, and that's those are the stakes at
Speaker 3: the end of the year. Then I think it's there's
Speaker 3: probably more value for the program to to let ISAAC
Speaker 3: continue to develop and then maybe that there's a benefit
Speaker 3: next year in doing that. But yeah, I think you
Speaker 3: kind of have to look at a week by week
Speaker 3: you can kind of make like run through the list
Speaker 3: of all the kind of the factors that the player
Speaker 3: a role in that decision.
Speaker 1: So the fact of the matter is, Isaac has seven interceptions.
Speaker 1: There's no team the top twenty five that has a
Speaker 1: quarterback with more than five.
Speaker 2: Yet they're four and one, and that is all that matters.
Speaker 1: Now, Okay State might just be bad, Baylor might just
Speaker 1: be bad, and then they beat up on Southern Utah
Speaker 1: and Utah State. So there is a world that exists
Speaker 1: where the conversation sounds like, how tested has Isaac really been?
Speaker 2: Arizona rolled in here and you were there.
Speaker 1: You watch them simply beat Utah in the trenches, which
Speaker 1: nobody does, and certainly not a team like Arizona that
Speaker 1: didn't seem like they were equipped to hang with Utah's physicality.
Speaker 1: So you've seen it up close. Let's just start in
Speaker 1: a vacuum. Arizona State Friday night, eight thirty, Kenny Dillingham
Speaker 1: has that team off to a solid start. If it's
Speaker 1: Isaac under center, what do you think happens Friday night
Speaker 1: down in Tempe.
Speaker 3: It's it's it's still so hard for me to sit
Speaker 3: here and predict Arizona State to beat Utah. You know,
Speaker 3: in whatever week six of the twenty twenty fourth season,
Speaker 3: because you know, coming into the year, like the expectations
Speaker 3: are so far apart. But now that Arizona State is
Speaker 3: off to a four and one start, it's they're in
Speaker 3: a different place, right and then and then there there
Speaker 3: their schedule is a little bit deceiving as well, right,
Speaker 3: I mean, Texas State is okay, but that was a
Speaker 3: close game that they could have lost. Mississuppi State is terrible,
Speaker 3: Wyoming is terrible, Kansas is one in five. Those are
Speaker 3: their wins. Right in Texas techjury is still out on
Speaker 3: how good, on how good they are, so like we
Speaker 3: don't we the records here, both teams are four and one,
Speaker 3: but I think there's still so much learn about both
Speaker 3: teams that have a really great feeling about it. So
Speaker 3: I mean, I'll still default to thinking that Utah should
Speaker 3: be should beat Arizona State. You know, that's not being
Speaker 3: said like it's a question. It's a valid question now,
Speaker 3: And I think that's that's the point, right. The fact
Speaker 3: that this is a game that looks like it should
Speaker 3: be closed and could go either way, I think speaks
Speaker 3: to the directions of both programs. You know, here in
Speaker 3: early October.
Speaker 1: So Fox Big neon kickoff is in provo this week.
Speaker 2: And I don't know were you probably you're a little
Speaker 2: bit younger.
Speaker 1: Were you in college when Urban Meyer was coaching Utah two.
Speaker 2: Thousand and five, two thousand and four to two thousand.
Speaker 3: And five, Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I started college in
Speaker 3: three so he was. He was at Utah's end. So
Speaker 3: for I got to kind of watch that whole kind
Speaker 3: of the evolution process of of Utah football that for
Speaker 3: the last two decades or so.
Speaker 1: One of the reasons Urban will always be legendary around
Speaker 1: here is that still to this day, I'll use my
Speaker 1: brother in law as an example. Now, Kyle, you need
Speaker 1: to know a couple of things about my brother in law.
Speaker 1: When to b Yu, he is approaching fifty Still to
Speaker 1: this day, he has a T shirt with his dorm
Speaker 1: room number on it, and he and his buddies go.
Speaker 2: To one BYU Game of Year.
Speaker 1: I swear he has Cosmo pajamas. He denies it, but
Speaker 1: if you ask him, if you ask him who is
Speaker 1: the most hated figure from Utah football all time, he
Speaker 1: will not hesitate, and he will say Urban Meyer. And
Speaker 1: he's not alone because when Urban was here, he coined
Speaker 1: the phrase team down south, he refused to Now, it's
Speaker 1: used in other rivalries, but Urban brought it here. He
Speaker 1: refused to even say BYU. And that's been adopted by
Speaker 1: other folks in Utah circles, and he kicked their trash.
Speaker 1: I mean, he smoked them and then ultimately brought Utah
Speaker 1: football in a very short time to a place that
Speaker 1: even BYU football probably dreamed of being.
Speaker 2: Back.
Speaker 1: Then, my man's going to be down in Provo with
Speaker 1: Fox Big noon kickoff coming up against Arizona, I have
Speaker 1: to imagine he's going to be greeted with quite the
Speaker 1: venomous response from BYU fans.
Speaker 3: No, I didn't know. I didn't know the history of that.
Speaker 3: Adopt more up on that, but yeah, I mean he
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess the other part about he's like
Speaker 3: naturally kind of an unlikable guy proponents. It's just like
Speaker 3: that's the general consensus on him. So if you're not
Speaker 3: only does he have that vibe for like neutral fans,
Speaker 3: but I can only imagine if you add the rivalry
Speaker 3: aspect on top of that in like flaming animosity. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean that gives me a gives me a reason
Speaker 3: to tune into to that one Staturday morning.
Speaker 1: So you've seen Arizona up close, and the game you
Speaker 1: saw up close here in saw Lake, they were very impressive.
Speaker 1: Then they lose to Texas Tech, and we'll get to
Speaker 1: at some point. I just want to ask you, like,
Speaker 1: who's good, because I don't know, maybe Texas Tech is good,
Speaker 1: no clue, uh b YU is getting four and a
Speaker 1: half points at home, and of course they're one of
Speaker 1: uh well really one of only two undefeated teams overall
Speaker 1: with Iowa State in the mix, then five undefeated teams
Speaker 1: in conference, a lot of momentum down south Man, how
Speaker 1: do you see BYU Arizona playing out?
Speaker 3: For me? This is gonna be the measuring stick for
Speaker 3: buy because I didn't touch much of the case State
Speaker 3: win and that's kind of like, hey, SMUs, I guess
Speaker 3: this looks like a pretty good win now too. But
Speaker 3: I think it's at a point in the year where
Speaker 3: by a U has earned the attention of of of
Speaker 3: the national media. Right, there wasn't really a whole lot
Speaker 3: to like coming into the year, uh you know, but
Speaker 3: now it's you know, you kind of have to have
Speaker 3: to start paying attention. So like, yeah, I mean Arizona
Speaker 3: for me the disappointment. I was blown away by no
Speaker 3: Fafiita after he came you know, you know, entered the
Speaker 3: frame last year and is kind of what he did
Speaker 3: down the stretch. Really disappointed though with what that offensive
Speaker 3: looked like. And then they have the best receiver in
Speaker 3: college football and to turn the team act of there
Speaker 3: and so for them to be as unimpressive we can
Speaker 3: we get out offensively, that back for me has has
Speaker 3: been a surprise. And so, uh, yeah, could they find it? Sure?
Speaker 3: Buyu is obviously you know, defensively they've been good, right,
Speaker 3: I Mean it wasn't great against why against Baylor last week,
Speaker 3: but certainly to that point, I think what I don't
Speaker 3: even know if they've given up had given up even twenty
Speaker 3: points in a game until last league. Yeah, so we'll
Speaker 3: we'll find out more, uh this week. And I the
Speaker 3: other thing that does the Big Twelve is if you
Speaker 3: look at like up and down the standings, right like
Speaker 3: it's it's a rare conference of where LA Kansas is
Speaker 3: really bad this year and Baylor is bad and Oklahoma
Speaker 3: State's also and three I think it was I think
Speaker 3: there are three and three teams in the conference, Like
Speaker 3: if any of those teams were to be an undefeated
Speaker 3: team in the conference, I don't think you would be surprised,
Speaker 3: and very like vibes of the PAC twelve in that respect,
Speaker 3: just like the parody within the conference, and so it
Speaker 3: actually makes it a lot of fun to follow, and
Speaker 3: just I don't think there's a great team, but there's
Speaker 3: like anything can happen, which is which is kind of
Speaker 3: a nice change of pace. I guess well.
Speaker 1: That leads me to my next question, and you may
Speaker 1: have just answered a little bit, uh who's good? Like
Speaker 1: I mean cause because really you could make like, look,
Speaker 1: I Kilanie's my guy, and I think b YU is
Speaker 1: legit and they're there, they've already you surpassed expectations. But
Speaker 1: even with a team like b YU, like that case
Speaker 1: State game man, that was serious Angels in the out
Speaker 1: now respect for by U. Aaron Rodger called the kill shots,
Speaker 1: you know, red zone touchdowns, and.
Speaker 2: They caused the chaos.
Speaker 1: Baylor isn't very good and they made that game really interesting.
Speaker 1: You're right about the SMU win. That looks better and
Speaker 1: better and better. I mean, nobody was talking about Texas Tech.
Speaker 1: A few people had Iowa State on the radar. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you consider Colorado good because you don't
Speaker 1: trust them. And I still think Utah can be good.
Speaker 1: But the caveat, of course his health. So who's good
Speaker 1: Kyle in the big twelve right now?
Speaker 2: Who's good?
Speaker 3: Pretty well? There? I mean, I think like if there's
Speaker 3: reason to be like competent in Iowa stated like I
Speaker 3: think they had something like eighteen starter that's something exact number,
Speaker 3: but they had a lot of starters and a lot
Speaker 3: of production coming back from last year. So I guess
Speaker 3: it's as far as who you should be the most
Speaker 3: COMPETENTD like that would be the case for Iowa state
Speaker 3: is just like the continuity is there in a way
Speaker 3: that you know what it isn't the case other places.
Speaker 3: But man, I'll have a hard time voucher for anyone
Speaker 3: really at this point because I think like the Uyu
Speaker 3: have the SMU one is actually probably the best win.
Speaker 3: It's like atl non conference when I would state Iowa,
Speaker 3: I'm not really a big Iowa you know advocate, but
Speaker 3: I guess that's starting to hang your out on Robert
Speaker 3: Gate early in the year. Yeah, Like I'd love to
Speaker 3: have a hot take and be like, you know, this
Speaker 3: is for sure, the best team, but like I like
Speaker 3: you know this, I do both projections every week, and
Speaker 3: so you have to kind of pick one. I had
Speaker 3: Duyu as the as the pick this week. You to
Speaker 3: call it a coin flip between them and Iowa State.
Speaker 3: Colorado's kind of approaching that territory where you're like, wait,
Speaker 3: are are are they good? Because you know, man, I
Speaker 3: was telling you a few weeks ago, I think I
Speaker 3: thought it was about ready to implode, and that doesn't
Speaker 3: look like the case anymore at all, especially after beating
Speaker 3: DUCF the way they did a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 3: So they actually might be might be good, which is
Speaker 3: hard for me to admit, but I think that you
Speaker 3: just kind of have to acknowledge reality when we have
Speaker 3: these discussions. So, yeah, like the few undefeated teams on them,
Speaker 3: he was a great team, but I think there's a
Speaker 3: teams like I think the team that finishes with top
Speaker 3: the standings could have two conference flops as it's shaping
Speaker 3: up as that type of year.
Speaker 1: So I've never been a Tuscaloosa I'd like to attend
Speaker 1: a football game down there. I think it'd be cool
Speaker 1: to see Brian Denny Stadium, and I cheer for Kaylen.
Speaker 2: Debor former PAC twelve buddy of ours. And you know Vandy.
Speaker 2: Look let me start here.
Speaker 1: That can't happen if you're Alabama, period. But Vandy, you
Speaker 1: know they beat VA Tech. You know they took Mazoo
Speaker 1: to overtime. They're not the dormant that they typically are.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're the only school in the SEC where
Speaker 1: you actually do have to fill out paperwork if you
Speaker 1: want to attend, So it's a little bit more difficult
Speaker 1: for them to get the talent some.
Speaker 2: Of the other schools get.
Speaker 1: What do you think Kaylen de Bor's week has been
Speaker 1: like down in Tuscaloosa after being upset by Vandy.
Speaker 3: I really like Kalen a lot. I got to spend
Speaker 3: a lot of time with the one who's at Washington,
Speaker 3: and I found myself genuinely feeling for the guy this
Speaker 3: week as much as a can a guy who makes,
Speaker 3: you know, twelve million dollars or whatever it is to
Speaker 3: do his job. But if he hadn't been Georgia the
Speaker 3: week before, I mean I feel like he would like
Speaker 3: he would be on the hot seat, Like no joke.
Speaker 3: That's how bad losing to Bandy is. If you're the
Speaker 3: coach at Alabama, and there's like a lot of stats
Speaker 3: about points allowed and last time this type of happen.
Speaker 3: Like last time, this happetype type stuff that has kind
Speaker 3: of emerged after losing to Randy. But yeah, you just
Speaker 3: can't do that. I mean, he's getting take into task
Speaker 3: now because of like his sideline attire. It's very like
Speaker 3: Obama tan suit vibes with that. It's like there's everything
Speaker 3: that anything that it's possibly grounds for criticism now is
Speaker 3: going to be people are going to take their shots. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you you have a really impressive win against Georgia, then
Speaker 3: you have this disaster. Like the tail of two weeks
Speaker 3: is about as starking contrast as can possibly be. But
Speaker 3: the thing is is the way that the playoff format
Speaker 3: is now, Like I still think Alabama's in a good
Speaker 3: spot to reach the playoff, right, as long as that happens,
Speaker 3: the end of year results are going to see how
Speaker 3: he's how he's measured. It's he's to take a lot
Speaker 3: of hate until, you know, until he's kind of earned
Speaker 3: his way back into their good graces. But yeah, that's
Speaker 3: that's a bad look. And especially year one, early in
Speaker 3: the year replacing Nick Saban, it's the absolute worst case
Speaker 3: scenario is losing to Vanderbilt. For Kailin Deboor.
Speaker 1: Since we talked to you last week and you know,
Speaker 1: you did a good job with this with game day
Speaker 1: being in Berkeley, your thoughts that that was rough, man,
Speaker 1: I felt bad. I felt bad for Cal a guy,
Speaker 1: Roxy Bernstein. Your thoughts on the scene and how it
Speaker 1: played out after Miami got to win.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So, I mean I live near cal like half
Speaker 3: an hour away, grew up here, and so I kind
Speaker 3: of grew up with going to cow games and experience
Speaker 3: it them and didn't go to Cal or anything like that,
Speaker 3: but like certainly has an affinity for like the fans
Speaker 3: and just like the people of the region. Uh. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it went from like they showed out for game day.
Speaker 3: I was over there for a little bit just to
Speaker 3: kind of get a sense of the vibe. And it
Speaker 3: was really an incredible special day for Berkeley, for the
Speaker 3: athletic department, the football progam all those things, and you know,
Speaker 3: for three quarters it looked like it was gonna be
Speaker 3: one of the most you know, there's gonna be nothing
Speaker 3: bad happened to blow at twenty five point second half lead,
Speaker 3: like on that day of all days, it's about a
Speaker 3: severe gut punches as they could have taken. I think
Speaker 3: still they'll remember it favorably, like the whole experience and
Speaker 3: just kind of the direction the program is headed. There's
Speaker 3: like a lot of good vibes there, but man to
Speaker 3: implode the way they did late, it's tough. And look,
Speaker 3: you know it was absolutely targeting at the end of
Speaker 3: the game too, so you had that element like Cows
Speaker 3: shouldn't have been in the position because but kind of
Speaker 3: a poor decision from the referee changed the change the
Speaker 3: trajectory of it. Right, Like two weeks in a row
Speaker 3: that Miami had a you know, a very helpful officiating
Speaker 3: decisions swinging the swing the outcome of the game for them.
Speaker 3: They've been with two different decisions for four and two
Speaker 3: as opposed to six and Oh and you know, Kal
Speaker 3: could be sitting here with one loss if the correct
Speaker 3: call goes their way.
Speaker 1: All right, Kyle, last thing and I'll set you loose.
Speaker 1: I have been Otson, I know you have too, And
Speaker 1: what an experience. You know, it's not the biggest stadium
Speaker 1: in the world. Ohio State is seen bigger, but they
Speaker 1: probably have also seen louder. They're not going to be
Speaker 1: stung by the moment. That's just not an easy place
Speaker 1: to play. And that's kind of the banner game of
Speaker 1: the weekend coming up five point thirty prime time.
Speaker 2: What do you think happens up in Eugene? Before I
Speaker 2: say you loose?
Speaker 3: I loved it up in this one. I think that
Speaker 3: they're they're progressing in a way to have me feeling
Speaker 3: really confident about about what the operation looks like. But
Speaker 3: I mean this is like this is the example of
Speaker 3: like why Media Network says like pushed for push for
Speaker 3: conference realignment. Right, you get a number three rank for
Speaker 3: Oregon hosting number two Ohio State in October. I mean
Speaker 3: these games like that's as big as a game as
Speaker 3: you can see, right, And so I mean I won't
Speaker 3: be either. I just kind of hopeing I would get that,
Speaker 3: get that assignment. But certainly, you know, it says it's
Speaker 3: also like for the ghost of the PAC twelve kind
Speaker 3: of a big game, right of like you know, still
Speaker 3: I still feel like there's this affinity for the teams
Speaker 3: who were in the conference in their new conference homes,
Speaker 3: and so I think that there's almost like abruptherhood there
Speaker 3: that the people on the West Coast can kind of
Speaker 3: point to you and kind of say, hey, look, big
Speaker 3: time college football exists on this part, in this part
Speaker 3: of the country. I think that's why I like Cal's
Speaker 3: showman in game Day was like kind of a big deal. Right.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, Ohio State hasn't really played anyone either,
Speaker 3: and so we'll see, we'll see who's the real.
Speaker 2: Kyle, you're the man.
Speaker 1: Appreciate the time this week, have a great week, enjoy
Speaker 1: the college football.
Speaker 2: We'll get you back soon. Okay, sounds good. Thanks all right,
Speaker 2: Kyle blon Gar from ESPN