Speaker 1: Good evening, boys and girls. Tonight we will be telling
a sort of fairy tale about a dashing prince who
falls in love with a beautiful American actress and together
they must slay this dragon. Uh, this evil dragon they
call the media.
Speaker 2: Right, yes, and who.
Speaker 1: Has retavoc on this poor prince's life since the day
he was born? And tonight I have none other than
based lit analyzer.
Speaker 2: Welcome, Hey Jamie, how are you doing. I'm glad to
be here to talk about this one to night. This
is this is gonna be interesting, It's gonna be fun.
Speaker 1: We are doing spare by Prince Harry windsor Harry of
Wales what even is his last name?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And warning of we are a tinfoil hat show, so
we will be making lots of jokes about, you know,
the royal family and their condition and where they come from,
what their abilities are if you know what I mean.
I mean, any plastic conspiracy theorist has to at least
be aware of David Ike in his theory about the
royal family, which makes it a thousand times more interesting.
So what do you think?
Speaker 2: Yes, the House of d House of the Rahul, right, Yeah,
the chia.
Speaker 1: Was related to him, right, He's like, I'm proud to
be related to your.
Speaker 2: Yes, this is gonna be fun, Harry Wales. Harry Wales. Yeah,
and I've I've worn my my, my eaten outfit for
everyone that I'm a I'm a professor of the dark
arts tonight, you know, using using your style. And uh
so I'm looking at I'm looking to deep dive into
this text because I think that this one is uh is,
first of all, we read it. I mean, who's read
this book? You know, no one else has read it.
And I think that this is going to be not
what people expect in a lot of ways, at least
at least in my opinion, you know, from what I
from from the reading. I mean, I thought that I
thought the writing of the book was well done. He's
got a ghostwriter who wrote an article that I read
in The Atlantic or The Atlantic or the New Yorker
about the writing of the text, and and it's not
at all what I expected. So I think it's going
to be interesting me neither.
Speaker 1: It was four hundred pages. Yeah, so I thought Dave.
I was like, well, this kid really poured his heart
out into this book. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought that that it was a real page turner.
Part of that is because I was just coming off
of the JD. Vance autobiography, The Hillbilly Elergy, and so
it's kind of a it's kind of a natural pairing
with that because the two books are total polar opposites
in every way, even the writing of the book. That one,
that book was synthetic and dry and and and had
a kind of attempt to be deep and had a
sort of superficial depth. That's an oxymoron, but but it was.
It was. It was dry, And this one I thought
was was really full and and well rounted and and
really you I expected it to be something totally different
than it was. And I found a lot of like
weird honesty in this book and and and a genuine
like a genuine you can It's easy to discern, I think,
especially when reading autobiographies, the attempt to be genuine and
a and a full, actual, real, uh genuine writing. And
I think that this one achieved that in many ways.
Regardless of what he says, uh so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, this one starts off in true English fashion
in uh a like a graveyard where he is waiting
for a meeting with his father and his brother at
his grandfather's funeral, you know what I mean. So it
opens up in a very like English British overcast way.
But he's in his former home where he said he
had to flee frog More in fear of his sanity
and in his personal safety in twenty twenty, and this
book is the explanation to why. So this is like
the opening up of this story. It's very golf cour
you know, he's speaking to the ghost of his dead
mother before father the king. It's very Shakespearean in a
way too.
Speaker 2: It is it is. I was just thinking that that
it's it's kind of a reversal of Hamlet, and you know,
beginning in a grade is there's something rotten in the
state of Denmark with this with this book. Okay. So
I just got to say that going into this, I
was interested in it at first because when it was public,
there was you know, there was all there was all
the talk and the hoopla about all of the things
that he had said and all of the all of
the things that he was addressing he was getting in
trouble for you know, with his family. And then after
a while I started to think, right right before I
started to read it, I started to consider that maybe
there's a possibility that we've all been sort of duped
with with the narrative, because if everyone in the media,
every you know, everyone is hating on Harry and sort
of toes the line of the official state, you know,
the state media or the kind of like monolithic media
of the British press, then maybe maybe the opposite is true.
It could be, it could be possible, And there's a
there's a sort of nuance somewhere in there about what
is the outcome that we get from the book, because
it's again it's like not everything you would expect, you
would you would, you know. On the one hand, there's
a big media push, especially around the time of the
marriage to Megan Markle and then the move to America,
and we get all this stuff about him living in
California and trying to get funding for his stuff, and
then he's got the Netflix and the Oprah interview, all
this really cringe stuff. But what what I got from
the book was that there's a case to be made
for the fact that the obviously the British media at
times towes the line for the monarchy in terms of
the head of you know, the head of state, right,
so so everything you know, Queen Elizabeth does, and then
we have the Diana thing, and that's sort of there's
some again, there's some nuance in there. But I just
today in the news I saw a thing about you know,
you constantly see updates from like, you know, Interview magazine
and and uh sort of hot entertainment rags that the
the obvious narrative is that they that Harry and Meghan
may split up and the marriages on the rocks, And
what you get throughout the book is a series of
of of events where he addresses the fact that this
is what the media said and the reality was was
totally different. And there's a case to be made that
a lot of those things are valid what he says
because he never speaks. For one, he never he never
really does, and now he speaks, and every time we
hear him speak now it's with his wife, and it's
oh Beyonce called oh lovely you know and that such.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But but but also like I think it's important for
people to to remember that this is a real I mean,
he's a real person, and he's a real human being,
and that he's lived a life. Yeah, yeah, yes, the
other half is a dragon and then he's he's lived
a life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would make so much more sense why they
had to flee in terror.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe maybe King Charles the Third,
the perennialist, the ghoul is there is one of the
reasons that he left, and that and that I could
see through the book because he doesn't get to Megan
until much later in the book, but I could see
that throughout the book that he was getting up to
a point where he was going to meet this this
woman and regardless of whatever she's like or however she's portrayed,
just leave that, leave that out. I knew that this
was the woman or the type of woman that he
was going to end up with because it allowed him
to It allowed him a way to get out and
to go as far away as possible. And but he's
still he's still a prince. I mean he never in
the book says like, oh I wish I wasn't a royal,
but he's still a prince. But it allows him to
get out, and he clearly in the book like he
clearly loves her. So so I think it's a it's
an interesting it's it's it's really it's it's also extremely tragic.
The book is really tragic, you know how he talks
about it mother, and it very definitely gets weird at times,
but but it's tragic with him and his friends and
you know people, it's it's not like he wants sympathy
for being a celebrity and oh, I wish I could
live a normal life. It's like there's this thing that
he lives in and he's like, I didn't know what
the coverage was because we weren't allowed to tell we
have everything in the world. I'm not allowed to television.
And my dad won't hug me because he says, oh,
I need to go hug Teddy who's the Teddy bear
that he carries around everywhere. And he's an old man.
I mean, it's just weird.
Speaker 1: Yes, Okay. So the book does a really good job
of conveying to the reader the weight of the responsibility
of being a royal and like, what actually is the
job of a royal to be? And it is a
very stifling, Like at one point he described it like
a human zoo. Right, your entire life is to be
on display. It's meant to be living some kind of way,
and this plays a big part. He's going through PTSD,
we'll find out. Yeah. So yeah, when they open up
at the scene of the death of Prince Philip, who
he said embraced life, right, Grandpa embraced Like isn't this
the guy who said you want to come back as
a virus?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Or yeah, yes, m I would come back as
a virus.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So then he starts reminiscing about his mom and
saying that, you know, his mother was a princess named
after a goddess, but she acted more like an icon
or a saint. So she's like this bridge between this
stuffy royal, unrelatable people to the masses. And the bridge
was obviously, you know, Princess Diana, and a lot of
that transferred over to the boys.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I think I think the point you made
is a really good point about his granddad because but
I think the thing that I realized in reading is that,
you know, we know Prince Philip is the you know,
the the V word guy, the you know, the sort
of ghoulish looking you know, all that stuff, but he
doesn't know him as that, he knows him as his granddad,
and and and that I think is important to keep
in mind because it's just like with when you're reading
any book on the mafia that the family of the mafia,
you know, you hear like the son of Pablo Ascobar
or any of these people, any of the family in
mafia that they're like, I don't I didn't know the
things about the about my dad or my granddad or whoever.
To me, he was a family guy. He was a
you know, he we had things, and we had an
education and all this stuff. I didn't know the other stuff.
Now I'm not I'm not like an apologist for Prince Harry.
I'm not trying to just to just to make that care.
I'm not like I.
Speaker 1: Almost am now because I'm not the sucker. But you know,
after reading this, it's very humanizing of it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you're right. I mean I'm not like, you know,
towing it, towing the line from Prince Harry or you know,
trying to make a case that no, he was right.
I mean, I think it's nuanced, and I think it's
important to look at people as as human beings or
the words that they write, you know, within the book,
and and just to consider that maybe maybe there's a
weird sort of middle ground or some other thing that
we haven't looked at with this. But like you said,
I mean I also was really swayed by this book.
I was really swayed by his by his honesty, I mean,
he Another thing he says is like I went to
Eaton and it's where all the princes went, and my
brother went there. I went there with my brother, who's
the next in line for the throne, and I never
saw it, you know, because he wanted to be with
older guys, and also and also you know, he's he's like,
just to make things clear, you know, I'm kind of
a dumb ass, Like I can't I can barely read,
you know, I just like physical activity. I don't. I
didn't really do well in school. I really struggled.
Speaker 1: I think that's part of the narrative.
Speaker 2: I think, well, I I do. I do buy it.
I do buy it, but not in the way that
he sort of. I think it's in context. I think
that so. So my reason for that is that when
he I'm kind of jumping around, I know we're gonna
get into it. But when he mentions that when he's
at Eton and his and his his teachers are always
talking to him about history. Why aren't why aren't you
interested in history? And he's like, he's like, I'm not
interested in history because every time we read about history,
it's about somebody I was related to and everything they
did and resulted in in you know, bloodshed, misery, and
and my mom's gone, and there's a war going on.
It seems to be because of us, and I just don't, really,
I'm not interested in that. And it wouldn't and it
may not be for everybody that you know, any royal
that would think like that, but it is for him
because he went through the thing with his mom and
he saw what happened to his mom, and so that
he doesn't want to read about anything like that, and
he just wants to go play sports and stuff. So
I understand. I kind of understand what he's saying.
Speaker 1: Well, he's seems like a sweet person who was neglected
in a lot of ways. You know, he's the spare,
So this whole narrative is revolving around that. You know,
he's just there to support this institution by supporting his brother,
even down to if his brother needs like an organ
or something, yes, what or like he's like, you're literally
like the spare and a lot of the coldness to
that Prince Charles felt towards Diana is passed on to him.
And I don't know why this tickles me so much,
but like Prince Charle or King Charles now and Camilla,
their their story is so funny to me because he
seems like he's loved her his whole life and would
do anything to you know, like make her happy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I love the part where he says, my
father was bullied relentlessly when he was sent off to
school because because he had these ears that needed to
be pinned back and and Granny Queen Elizabeth I sent
him off to school to make him a man. And
when he got there, all they did was was you know,
because the way he puts it is like as soon
as he gets there, it's you know, in Britain with
the monarchy, it's not like he goes to school, he's
a kid and everybody's like bowing down to him. It's
like they're also all royals and nobles and wealthy got
wealthy boys. And at a boys school, especially at a
boys school, at a at a private school, it's pretty relentless.
So I can imagine them being like, oh fucking what
he is, you know, And it was very it was
very tough on him, and I guess it made him
kind of the weird, the weird guy that he is.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, he's definitely had some weird things pop
up in his past in the media. So that's why
he's kind of soft on Harry sometimes about what comes out.
We'll find out.
Speaker 2: But so.
Speaker 1: Rewind from the Gothic ruin frogmore right to his childhood,
like you said, at Eton, and this is where he
chooses to start his story almost immediately with the death
of his mother, because that's like the big event of
his whole life. It leads to him having dissociation issues,
to memory issues, to having some kind of like photographic
memory for places that he's been right, and he describes
Bow Moral as Disney World plus a Druid Grove and
anybody who's done conspiracy core is like these places have
a high profile for like rituals and weird stuff happening
around him. So this is the environment, this this kid
is growing up in and at the very least it
was cold, right, yeah, especially after his mom uh dying,
it seemed that was his only outlet for you know,
affection and connection because his older brother has his own issues.
I'm sure he's like directly in line, so he's he
could write his own book to like tell all about
what's going on there. But he's definitely taking a lot
out on Harry William.
Speaker 2: William Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah he is. And uh, you
know that the whole the whole prep school thing when
he goes, when he goes to school and then eventually
he goes off to eaton is is not what I
expected because I never I never considered that. So the
whole every we all know that the whole prep school system,
well the whole prep school system in America, especially on
the East Coast, is based on the British prep school
system and Eton and Harrow or the two the two
sort of twin pillars of the of the what they
call public school system there. You know, but what it's
what it's designed for is that you know that you
will send off your son at five years old and
then they will have any sort of compassionate nurturing thing
sort of uh hardened out of them by being in
a school that's all about that is centered on a
competition and and everything everything's hard. Everything is you know,
it's constant school and constant act you know, constant academics,
constant constant rigor constant sporting. And the purpose of that
is that when you graduate, you'll go off to Oxford.
You know, they usually do a gap year. Gap year
in America is not what it is there. A gap
year in the UK is usually centered on, especially in
the upper classes, it is centered on going to some
other country in the in the now British Commonwealth and
doing some sort of charity work, and then after that
you'll go to Oxford or case. It's not like sitting
around at the Koreb University. That's not a gap year,
and you'll go off to Oxford or Cambridge or London
School of Economics or any of these places, and then
you'll go and run the empire or the Commonwealth. And
that's designed that way so that, you know, if you're
a child and then you go off and you run,
you know, you become the governor of Singapore, then you
are able to run the things sort of ruthlessly from
the top in the system we all know and have
that compassionate spirit sort of drawn it's gone so that
you can run it sort of coldly. But with Prince
Harriet's different because he's a royal and because he had
such a relationship with his mother, and so he has
this thing, this like mother, this maternal thing with him,
and his father's so cold the whole time. So he's
got his mother and then his mother's ripped away from
him at the worst time, and so it makes him
a sort of a different character.
Speaker 1: That's a great point you made about so that school
has to prepare them to be the leaders of the world,
like you said, and have a ruthless mentality because in
in their minds, you know, the world has to be
governed a certain way according to what's proper for them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is this all comes from, you know,
comes from the Renaissance with when Henry the eighth and
Queen Elizabeth second sort of start, or Queen Elizabeth first
sort of start. This the British Empire and then the
defeat of the Spanish Armada, and then that leads into
the especially into the nineteenth century, into the British colonial era,
when people like Cecil Roads are going off and having
countries named after them. You know, they're running the bank,
they're running the Anglo American group is running everything and
so they you know, watch any movie about the nineteenth century,
any book, read the client of Fall of the British Empire.
So that's all what it is. And this is a
there's a clear hierarchy. This is a different you know,
there's we have race problems in America, they have they
traditionally have class problems. And this is because there's such
a clear different and that is one of the things
that's happened by design, I think in terms of the
twentieth century, especially after World War Two, which is the
dissolution of the empire, but the empire, but the empire
just gets absorbed into a globalist empire that just becomes
a different thing. And we have everyone sort of melding together,
mass migration, all these things sort of change the nature
of things in this future shock way, and and that
provides for some sort of chaotic spirit that people don't
really know what they can what to, what they can
latch onto. And I think that not to say that
that was a good time or a bad time, just
sort of stating the way that it ran. And it's
weird with Prince again, it's weird with Prince Harry because
like you said, you know, you brought up a great point.
The title of the book is called Spare because he
learns when he was a kid, Like the first thing
that he mentions about learning anything from his dad is
that you know you were born because you'll you won't
be king, right, your brother is going to be king,
and you were born because you're a You're a meat
sack for your brother. If he needs a kidney, he's
going to get it from you. You're the living meat
locker for this guy. Yes, and prints Harry, and actually
he's like, I don't mind that, right, because he says,
like I like the idea of service and giving I
want to give to my family. Yeah, but it's a
little weird to live your life knowing that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and especially his heritage that he comes from, because
when he was at balmorl he was walking down the
hall and he saw this, I guess it was a
statue of Prince Edward, Duke of Kent, and he said
he was a statist who is aroused by seeing soldiers horsewhipped.
So he's got the all of the stories of everything
bad are good that everybody ever did that was in
his family tree. He has to hear about in his
public knowledge, even down to today, where the Paparazza or
what he calls the paps is the bane of his
existence and what he blames for his mother's death. Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, even his namesake. I mean he talks about about
Harry Harry is Howl who later becomes Henry the Fifth,
and he says even his namesake was He says something
like he was a guy who was exiled from his
land and then came back with a thirst for vengeance
and bloodshed, which I can understand. Crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and his childhood experiences are nothing like you know,
a normal I mean, his granny. It's funny how he
calls Queen Elizabeth's the second granny. He calls the Queen
Mother gangan h Right. He calls his brother Willie not William,
and his dad is paw Right. So they're very familial,
comfortable terms that he's referring to these people, even though
the relationships are not reflecting that. But that's what he
wanted to feel.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I was in. I was in I was
in Northern Ireland for two of the jubilees and also
I was there for the Queen Mother. Yeah, the Queen
mother's was it like she she lived to be like
a hard and two I think I lived. I was
there at her ninetieth birthday, the queen mother.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, we were there.
Speaker 2: Who was also Elizabeth by the way, people don't realize that, right.
Speaker 1: We were there the week of Prince Harry and Meghan's wedding.
Actually that was happening when we went to Aby nine
or that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did, I tell you, I tell you I
saw the Queen where I saw her at at school
at U. I went to Queen's University in Belfast and
I I one night, my friend and I we were
walking through you walked through the campus to urban campus.
We walked through the CAMPU us through the quad and
we're gonna walk through the main it's called the Lanyon building.
We were going to walk through, and there was a
security guard standing there and he goes, he goes, right, boys, hey,
what about you? You caught cock go through hair And
we were like why not. He goes, Queen's in there,
and we're like what and he goes, right, she's right
to take a look. And I looked through the window
and she was standing like seven feet away inside the building.
Right there she was at a cocktail party for the
opening of the The Narnia movie because the Lewis was
from Yeah, it was from uh from was from Northern Ireland.
So she was right there. And did I tell you
I shook hands with Prince Charles? Did I tell you this?
Speaker 1: When?
Speaker 2: Yes, So I was again. I was walking to class
one time. We had these people come all the time
because of the Good Friday Agreement in the peace process
that was sort of still happened. There were still troubles
in Northern Ireland and they had peace summits and things
with the war on term at school all the time.
So I was walking to school and they had it
blocked off and they don't announce these things. But I
was walking to walk through the main building and I
looked and I saw like a shock of white hair
getting out of a jaguar and it was Bill Clinton
and Tony Blair was there. And then at the end
of it, Prince I was leaving class and Prince Charles,
instead of getting in his car, walked up to the
line of people and just shook hands with all of
us standing there. I just hand yeah, and he shook hands.
And he was very tall. He had on a nice
you know, nice tweed suit. He had a he had
a poppy flower and he didn't talk to me. I
just shook his hand. But the girl next to me
he shook. He shook her hand and talked to her,
and he had I got to say that he did
have that thing, that world you know, world leader people
seemed to People always described them as this that like
when they talk to a person, it makes them feel
like they're the only person in the world because there's
all these people there, and security is right there. He's
standing right there on the other side of the barricade.
He shook my hands, shook her hand, and then he
asked her question. She talked to him and he looked,
I mean he looked at her. He like didn't blank.
He looked and was reacting and then and it was
listening and responding and then moved on to the next person.
But it was it was wild. I noticed it at
the time, not just because it was Prince Charles, but
you don't really see people so concentrated on a person
when they do that.
Speaker 1: So right, would you want to be in a room
alone with the queen.
Speaker 2: With the queen? I think in a room with the
queen would be fine. I don't think i'd want to
be in a room alone with King Charles and his
portrait or just his portrait, definitely not.
Speaker 1: I don't know. They they have a very intimidating aura
for sure. Yeah, right, the royals too. You know, the
Queen had her personal piper, he said, a Scottish man
who played the bag types at all times because she
loved them so much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, yes, she She spends the most of her time,
I mean he as he describes, like she's always interestingly
the baltlemorl or whatever, and she's always outside and that actually, yeah.
Speaker 1: A lot of hunting. Oh, we're just getting to the
good part where Harry's going to they're going to try
and turn him into a hunter.
Speaker 2: He's going to get blooded. Yeah, yeah, there is one
part I was going to bring up that's on page
let's see, it's on page nine of this book. It's
interesting because he mentions, let's see, he mentions the morning Star.
What does he say he talks about He talks about
Aaron Dell and the Morning Star and yeah, and he
the part about the Teddy Bear. There's so much in
this book, I mean, so many notes. There's no way
I can, we can possibly gets all the stuff. But
he talks about, Yeah, the part of that you mentioned
about Victoria and and the whipping is on page fifteen
of this book. And then he mentions, oh, he mentioned
broad More Psychiatric Hospital on page thirty nine, which I
thought was interesting. And then he goes on to talk
about the prep school and the teddy. On page forty one,
Charles is sent off to Gordonstown where he's bullied. It's
toughing him up. I mean he still carries his teddy
bear and he still carries it to this day, like
on his planes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he likes to listen to his story books
carry his teddy around. That's in Charles the Third, This
guy right here, he loves to travel with your teddy.
This was given to us in Vegas by some good
fan friends from the UK who we had a really
fun time with.
Speaker 2: Are there cookies inside? There were?
Speaker 1: And I ate them and they were not.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say it would be wild if you
open it up and there was a beating heart inside.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, oh yeah. I wanted to mention Blood Girls School.
So before he went to Eton, he went to a
school called Blood Grove, which was run by hot matrons
who would assist the youngest boys with the nightly wash.
Speaker 2: Yes, very this part was that's very yeah royal. Yeah,
very weird. But I mean he even makes it. He
even realizes how weird it is when he's doing it,
you know, when he's when he's talking about it, He's
not like, this is normal. And you know, I was
given my I was given my wipe by my He's
like I had. He was like, unfortunately I had the
Brune Hilda of the of the school. You know, it
was weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can still see something. I had a quote
I wanted to read.
Speaker 2: While you're looking for that. His he mentions a lot
about Prince Charles's fascination with Shakespeare, and my take from
that was that was that Charles and his education, is
fascinated by the British, by by all things, by Albion Bye,
by the sort of pedigree that he that he gets
from the land and from the their their ancient land,
and from their people, and that Shakespeare. I mean, it's
interesting because Charles actually thinks about Shakespeare. I think how
people should think about it in terms of classical literature,
which is that it's you know, it's the best words
in the best order. It's a higher form of understanding
their own people. It's slightly different than than you know,
people in a universal sense think about it. He thinks
about it in a much more personalized way. But the
Prince Harry doesn't understand this at all. And then part
of that is because what he said about his education
that you know, he's not he doesn't like reading, he
doesn't like school. He's with his mates and he likes
doing sports and stuff. But he feels like he needs
to translate Shakespeare, but he does. I thought it was
funny that he said Steinbeck needs no translation, and he
loves he loves Steinbeck, and of course of Mice and
Men and and I was just talking about this at
a party this weekend. Somebody brought up Steinbeck as an
example of a great writer. And Steinbeck is always just
as a tangent Steinbeck has always thought of. Steinbeck won
the Nobel Prize for Literature, but I think T. S.
Eliot said it was a mistake that they gave it
to him by accident, and that of Mice and Men
is a funny is a funny book, because probably everyone
has read that in school. But when you go back
and read it, you understand that it's the tale of
two dangerous serial r word killers who are roaming the
countryside like Henry Le Lucas and Otis Tool, one of
whom is a beautiful slow boy that gets unlived in
the back of the head by his best friend at
the end of the book. It's really uplifting stuff.
Speaker 1: I haven't read it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, you haven't read of Mice and Men. Oh man, Yeah, yes,
that's crazy. M hm. The blooding in the Blooding is
on page.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, so I found it right here, he says,
talking about the girls that help him bathe. I can
still see the long row of white bats, each with
a boy reclining like a little faroh, awaiting his personalized
hair washing for older boys who'd reached puberty. There was
two tubs in a separate room behind a yellow door.
So yeah, these are special posh tip top elite boys. Yeah,
hampered boys. And yeah, like you said, he was already thinking, like,
this is kind of weird. And I've thought that about
Royalty too, because they have some interesting Like you've heard
of the groom of the stool in those stories. Is
that real? That's real, right, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think that's real. I think I
know it's real. In there's a movie called The Last
Emperor by Bernardo Bertolucci where that happens in the film.
But that's asiatic, you know, I'm not sure that that
that's probably it. Probably, I don't know, maybe it is.
I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's so much going around.
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh yeah, I don't. I don't know. Probably because
all the boys are together, you know, in this in
the they're all you know, all together in the dorm.
I suppose, I don't know.
Speaker 1: The strangest thing I read about that was they had
these things called grub Days Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday where they
get piles of candy for some reason.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's that. That's that's normal for for sweets,
for British children to live on sweets. They're sessed with
Cadburys and sweets. I don't like in America, you know,
kids are obsessed with going across the street and getting
talkies and hot fries. You know, in England it's all
Cadbreys in sweets. Okay, yeah, yeah, maybe that's that's the
what replaces the uh the mother thing We're sorry.
Speaker 1: I just don't love you, and they've put you in
this horrible institutional.
Speaker 2: School, right, but you get some cadbres yeah days.
Speaker 1: Okay, So yeah, like you said, he tried to get
into Shakespeare but Hamlet hit too close to home. Yeah,
because this is his like you said, his legacy. They're
talking about his lineage and everything. He is still stuck
in denial about his mom's deaths. So at the beginning
he thought that when he first heard, he was like,
maybe she did this to get away from the pop rozzi.
Maybe she's in hiding and she'll come get us, and
this is all like a trick. And he doesn't resolve
this for many, many many years, Like he thinks maybe
she's alive somewhere and just won't come out because of
the paparazzi stocking her.
Speaker 2: Yeah. On the one end, it's kind of a conspiracy
world thing. You know that the guy who gets unlived
or whatever is still living on a different island somewhere.
You know, maybe they're not maybe they're not gone. They
fake their own death, they're a Machiavellian character or something.
On the other hand, you can I think this is
a this is his way of processing a normal human thing,
which is that you know you are around somebody all
the time and you you love them. But part of
the right of passage. I mean, I guess from from
a guy's perspective. I mean, I think this is a
universal human thing, but that you first come to realize
you go from innocence into experience in the Blakan sense,
when you understand that death exists, you know that people die.
Like it's like when you're five years old and you
go to a family member's funeral. You don't understand, Like
when I was five and I'm like riding a big
wheel around the like I don't I don't, you know,
I don't understand. But when you get to be a
little bit older, you all of a sudden, the person
that you've been around or that you love is just gone.
It's like the earth just opened up and swallowed them.
And the problem with him is that nobody will ever
talk about it, and and other people are still talking
about it. But he can't even get that because he's
not allowed to television. So I thought that was that
was pretty wild. He he comes back to a bookend
on this when he talks about his experience and counter
terrorism and escape innovation training. When he's in England, there's
like a particularly gnarly episode of remember when they kidnap him.
Speaker 1: Yes, so there are times in his life where he's
definitely going through very traumatic scenarios initiations of sorts. Yeah,
like the first time he killed a rabbit, their nanny
named Tiggy smeared the blood on his cheeks and nose
and said, now you are blooded.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: And so they were fostering this hunter in him. He
was a scrapper who would see the red mist and
lose control. So after the deaths Mom, he developed these
anger issues, you know, bottling up questions and obviously being neglected,
being scorned by his brother, who said, you know, like
you said when we go to the same school, don't
talk to me like I don't want to act like
I know you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I talked to you know. I didn't have
an older sibling. So I mentioned that to my mom
when I was talking to her, and she said, well,
that's normal because she had an older sister and she's yeah,
and she's like, that's normal. You know, your older sibling
doesn't think you're not cool, and no want to hang
out with you. Ye, that's weird, but it's different from
how he's portrayed in the media. You know that their
besties and they're always together and stuff.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so yeah, So the he's blooded after he
kills a rabbit and then he kills his first stag
and the hunting guy pushes his face inside the carcass
until he can't breathe and then pulled him out and
told him to let it dry on his face. So
there's things happening throughout his life that will find out
in the end. He's asking this question and I'm gonna
quote it when we get there, but he's like, am
I even a death cult? Like is my family obsessed
with death and dying? Yeah, which is a very Druidic
like circle of life type of you know, the death
is life and life death and yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the druidical thing is weird because we we
all probably remember the funeral of Queen Elizabeth II when
the Druidic priest came out and breaks the wand the
breaking of the of the wand ritual and places it
on top of the of the casket, you know, on
top of the British flag and the white Heart and
the stag are definitely symbols. I mean, that'sn't like Robert
Graves is the White Goddess. It's a and it becomes
a Celtic symbol. And you know, like look at the
remember in Skyfall, Remember when he goes to uh to
the estate and it's there's a Yeikin and Boaz twin
pillars with stags the top the pillars, and so it's
kind of a symbol. You know, the stag represents a
kind of symbol of nobility in nature. But the thing
about pressing his face into the carcass, had never heard
that before.
Speaker 1: Well, he's also got this kind of like death wish,
not death wish, but kind of a mortid morbid, like
I don't care what happens to me now after his
mom died, and just kind of bumping into people because
he is not getting the physical touch that he needs.
He will start fights just to feel somebody punching him
at least.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, And so I said, let's read some paragraphs
on page sixty. Read three paired as my face dried.
As my face dried, my stomach settled. So this is
when he pushed his face into the carcas, I felt
swelling pride. I'd been good to that stag, as I'd
been taught, one shot cleaned through the heart. Besides being painless,
the instant kill had preserved the meat. Had I merely
wounded him or let him get a glimpse of us,
his heart would have raised, his blood would have filled
with adrenaline. His steaks and filets would have been inedible.
This blood on my face contained no adrenaline, a credit
to my marksmanship. I'd also been good to nature. Managing
their numbers meant saving the deer population as a whole,
ensuring they'd have enough food for winter. Now this is
going to play into their ideas also about how to
manage populations of people.
Speaker 2: Right, that's true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Finally I'd been good to the community. A big
stag in the larder meant plenty of good meat for
those living at Balmoral. These virtues had been preaching me
from an early age, but now I'd lived them. I
felt them on my face. I wasn't religious, but this
blood facial was to me baptismal Paul was deeply religious.
He prayed every night. But now, in this moment, I
too felt close to God. If you love nature, pau said,
you had to know when to leave it alone and
when to manage it. Managing meant colling, collie meant killing.
It was all a form of worship.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: This plays into the conservationist efforts of obviously the Prince
Philip and King Charles, and also Henry Harry. Harry makes
several visits to Africa under the.
Speaker 2: He is Henry. He's Harry, but his name is Henry.
Harry is the nickname for Henry. It's like when he
was a kid, he would be hal Yeah, Henry, Yeah,
he would be Henry. I guess it would be Henry
the Knight. He would be Henry the ninth if he
were the king.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, that'd be kind of cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And of course they're and people. For those who
don't remember, Yeah, he's Harry Wales because they don't have
a last name, so Prince of Wales, so he gets
the name Wales. It's not Windsor. It would be Whales,
and Windsor was a name they chose during World War
One because because when they were fighting the Germans, who
were their cousins, their name was Saxe Coburg Gotha, and
so they had to change it to an English name,
Windsor just for the national war effort.
Speaker 1: So now we're getting a glimpse of you know, at
least their beliefs behind closed doors are a very druidic,
very circle of life, animistic, almost Wickerman.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yeah, yeah. Remember he's dancing with the scythe
except the hair lord Summerle.
Speaker 1: And Queen mother is Gangian. And excuse me, who Princess Margaret?
How have I never heard of this? Per Oh yeah,
absolutely stunning vision with the haunting eve that I've never
I had to google her and like, go down our
Princess Margaret rabbit hole. So she is Queen Elizabeth, the
second sister, yes, uh huh yeah, younger sister.
Speaker 2: Right, younger younger sister.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so she's like Harry equivalent.
Speaker 2: Yeah sort of. I mean so, so Elizabeth was born
in nineteen twenty six. I know that because my grandmother
was born the same year, and then she became queen
in nineteen fifty two. Uh, and then and Prince Margaret
was her younger sister. Now, Prince Margaret was the black
sheep of the family, and most famously with Queen Margaret,
I remember reading about her because in the book Hammer
of the Gods about led Zeppelin, there was an there
was an incident in the seventies, this was pretty famous
where the led Zeppelin's tour, tour management, their roadies were started.
This started to hire gangsters and one of them was
this guy, John Bindon, who was a notorious Landen gangster,
and he apparently had an affair with Princess Margaret and
then she went off to Jamaica because Jamaica is part
of the British cononwell, she went off to Jamaica and
and had some sort of sexual trysts and there were
photographs of it, and this was leaked and they were
in a this was a there's a movie about this
with Jason Jason Stathan. Also they were in a safety
deposit box that a bunch of guys robbed the bank
and they happened to come across the photos. So m
I five got involved because it was a compromising material.
But she was she was very famous, and you know,
we often don't hear about some of these people because
once they become I mean, people don't realize like that.
Queen Elizabeth's husband was not king, he was he was
Prince Philip but he was. They were related, they were cousins,
but he was also part of the Greek monarchy. But
there he was still English, you know, because the royals
marry each other and that and also that let's see that,
well that Prince Charles has siblings. He's got he's got
a you know, of course we know the notorious one.
Who's who's mentioned, who's mentioned one time in the book. Yeah,
and his wife was Fergie. People might if they're older,
they might remember the Rebecca Ferguson that was Prince Andrew's wife.
There's another one too. I think he's got another brother.
Speaker 1: So Elizabeth is shadowing over Princess Margaret. Of the things
I read, she pretty much controlled who she could be
in a relationship with or not, or strongly dissuaded her
from marrying her the person she loved or whatever. And
you hear these other stories like the one guy who
left he abdicated to marry an American lady. So it's
not on her of leaving the royal family to do
these things.
Speaker 2: Yes, And and I did a stream on my members
channel about the Duke of Windsor because he married an
American and like you just said, and he abdicate, and
he abdicated, and that's why his brother became the King's
Everyone probably knows the King's speech. That was Elizabeth's father.
And then the war effort happened. But when the Duke
of Windsor went off, he had a house in the Bahamas,
and I did a whole stream on One of the
most famous murder cases in the Bahamas was this guy,
Harry Oaks. He was an American billionaire and he was
murdered in the Bahamas. And the implication was that the
Duke of Windsor was was implicated in the murder if not,
if not was part you know, he didn't do it,
but he may have been part of it. And that
was because of the ties in with the financing of
the the country in the in the middle of Germany
that started the two things, because the Duke of Windsor
was notoriously sympathetic to them. So there's a lot of
dark a lot of dark dark art.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and all of these people are wrapped up somehow
with the media and they have this relationship. It's like
a two parasites on each other or something. It's kind
of crazy. It's like a symbiotic parasitical thing. The media
and limorials. They need each other or they wouldn't be
able to do what they do, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah. One of the reasons for that is, and he
actually realizes this later on, one of the reasons for that
is because the media also drives interest in the royal
family and the monarchy, which drives tourism, which is one
of the big which is one of the just the
surface level money makers. I mean, if you go to London,
I mean you guys went, I mean, when you go
to London, you mostly hear American accents, or at least
you did when I live there. I mean, it was
very few Londoners that you would hear on the tube
unless you go to you know, the East End or whatever.
It's mostly it's mostly Americans who want to go and
look at London Bridge. Oh I want to see London Bridge. Yeah,
you want to go and see the tower, you know
and by ground. Yeah, which, by the way, people don't
know that London Bridge is not what they're looking at.
It's Tower Bridge that's different from London Bridge. But that's
the same.
Speaker 1: As when you get well, was that in this book
that they used blood in the bricks on that bridge.
I think he did say that anyways.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I mean the tower, the Tower of
London probably, but the Tower of London had heads on it,
you know, for hundreds of years they would always put
the heads of traders on the or whatever on the
on the the tower. But that's like when people go
to Ireland and they say I'm Irish, Yeah, we're we're
coming here because I'm Irish, and it's like, who oh,
your dad, and they're like, no, my great great great
great great grandfather, you know. Yeah, yeah, but it drives tourism,
you know.
Speaker 1: So speaking of media and like guffaws, he is kind
of famous for those. Yes, and one of the earliest
ones was him and his Nazi uniforms.
Speaker 2: Yeah I remember this at the time. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: And oh and he's talking about a fancy dress party
where William wore a feline, skin tight leotard with a
springy bounty tail like tigger. Okay, why is the future
King of England wearing furry stuff with bouncy tail? And
this is the party that Harry has to like find
a costume for real fast and yeah, so he goes
with you know, old tiny mustache man.
Speaker 2: Hey at least he went is the total opposite of William. Right,
at least he went in the military uniform.
Speaker 1: I guess, yes you could. So they sent him to
talk to a rabbi after this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 1: He could learn some cultural sensitivity or make him feel worse.
I don't know, he already felt like really bad. So
then he's like, now we're in the time where he's
in the army. So he graduated. He's out of that
weird school with all the hot nurse maids. He's out
of eton where he was ignored by William. He's doesn't
know what to do with his life because all he's
supposed to do is just like be a spare part,
like I guess I'll go in the army, which that's
kind of defeating the purpose of preserving him, but okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that becomes that becomes one of the one of
his things, you know, that that he wants to just
this is I'm just going off the text here. People
that he wants to serve and there's a there is
a war going on that they're heavily involved in, and
he wants to do it, but he's not allowed to
do it too much, right, right, and that's sort of
one of the things that sort of drives him crazy
because there's a military tradition amongst royalty and the last
the last royal to die in battle was Richard the Third,
whose bones they found by the way under a parking
lot like in the last it was like ten years.
Speaker 1: Ago or something.
Speaker 2: Wow, you know, a horse, a horse, my kingdom for
a horse. And so he wants to go do this.
But like you said, he thinks about university. I thought
it was funny that he considered Bristol to go to
because I went to I lived in Bristol for two years.
I went to to drama school there. But while I
was there, Tony Blair's son was there and he was
always out and he was he got remember he got
arrested one time. He was a notorious pub crawler in Bristol.
So I think that I think Harry probably considered that
as a good place to go, that would be fun,
but he ends up not going.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, the way he talks about it, he's just
kind of like, you know, a nice bloke who hangs
out with his mates. Sometimes. He didn't at least paint
himself as a hard party or like the media did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because okay, yeah, well I was gonna say so.
I thought this was one of the most interesting things
in the book. And this, this, this right here is
what is what sort of humanized him for me. Probably
this incident alone is when he says that he's approached
by the media is hounding him, they're they're painting him
as a drug addict, and then his family starts getting
on him, and then then his minder says, we need
you to go to rehab, and he says he doesn't
need to go to rehab. He's not a drug addict
and all this stuff, and that he has to talk
about how he's not he doesn't smoke pot. And then
in the next paragraph he says, of course I was
smoking pot. I love that, you know, but but I
couldn't portray myself that way. I couldn't let my dad
know this, which is kind of a you know, a
teenage thing. But you can also tell that he's a
sort of unreliable narrator here, because even though he is
extremely honest about a lot of a lot of the
stuff he's honest about, like his you know, drug use
and his drinking and and all that stuff, he's also
it's also what goes unspoken in the book that I
think is important because he doesn't want to implicate his friends,
and it's also a kind of a you know, it's
like it's like any teenage boy who gets in trouble
for something you have to you want to be careful
about not implicating your friends, and and part of that
is like denying that the whole thing happened. And even
though he's older, so it's a little bit unreliable here,
but I thought that was I thought that was really
interesting with him. And the Royals have have had a
real problem with drug addiction. There was one one of
Harry's cousins who odeed. He was a like a speedball addict.
There's a they're heroin addicts and all all types of
stuff in the Royals, And I think that's also one
of the problems that they have to deal with because
they're so rich and they have so much privilege, and
they live these lives of you know, with all their
friends who have everything, but they're still insulated. So then
when they go out into the world, like when he
goes to Vegas and he's totally nude in the photographs
in the casino it's like everybody's bringing them things. The
incident when he goes to Courtney Cox's house and he
finds the mushrooms and the fridge and he's like, yeah,
so we started to trip in all this stuff. Yeah,
so he has all this stuff. So I think it
probably can be a huge temptation for them to just
not do anything. They just want to get you know,
they just want to get lit all the time or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's definitely something that seems like it would
need an escape from from time to time, just the
pressure of being expected to be perfect all the time.
Because he wanted to go to the front lines, and
he was going to go to Iraq, but that was
too dangerous and he asked to go the front they
said no, this is when he's meeting Nepalese Gurkhas Have
you ever heard of these?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, the Gurkas are. The Gurkas are Nepalese elite.
Very people are very fond of them in Britain. They're
an elite group of Nepalese soldiers who go through rigorous
training and are in involved in the kind of special
forces community, and so they choose it's interesting that they
choose them to be the ones to take care of Harry.
I thought that was pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: So he's at this point, he's entering what I would
call his adventure phase. So he's in the military, He's
meeting all these colorful people. He's going to Africa to
work with you know, David Attenborough's crew and the conservationist.
He is learning to be a helicopter pilot. He's going
to the North Pole, the South Pole, all around. Right,
He's kind of this is where I started to kind
of actually, you know, just like like him as a person.
I mean, he's been through all of these crazy scenarios.
He went to Australia to learn how to farm or
just to be away from scrutiny. He's like all like
sling kangaroo, who I don't care. So he literally lives
in the middle of nowhere in the outback for like
six months until they figure out where he's at and
the media can you know, get some pictures of him.
But he's literally going to the most isolated places on
the entire planet to try and get away from being
observed all the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, the people watching this right now are gonna
be They're gonna go ding ding. Their ears are going
to prick up when they hear Antarctica mentioned, because Antarctica is.
Speaker 1: A whole treaty with the ice kings and Atlantean lords.
Don't know what is right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's a Hyperborean ice age farmer and so
but it is weird because Antarctica, I mean, just you
can't escape the fact that Antarctica is so weird that
only the elites can go there. Yes, they have, they
have not only Okay, so so they do have McMurdo Station,
which is where the science people go, right, And that's fine,
and you study the penguins. I know a guy it's
that that uh that works there six months of every
year fixing like machines at McMurdo, and he's working for
the scientists. But that's not what we're talking about. We're
not talking about that. We're talking about like the pyramids
you know that are blurred on Google, and only Bill
Clinton and and Prince Harry and these people can go
there and do their rituals or whatever it is whatever
is there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the White Walkers what else?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Admiral Bird, Admiral Bird is from here. Yeah,
Admiral Bird is from Richmond. There was Bird Airport here. Yeah,
he's the guy who went there and we were suddenly flying.
He's got an aj voice. We were suddenly flying amongst
the Stanley Kubrick diamonds and flew right into a pyramid.
Speaker 1: I know what's down there. An alien spaceship buried in
the ice.
Speaker 2: And a temperate zone. I mean I think there really
is a temperate zone. You know there's a tropical temperate zone. Yeah,
I really do think so. And that's only because I
remember being totally skitz so obsessed with the weather and Antarctica,
like like seven years ago, and I would check on
the weather app all these weird places in Antarctica, and
the South Pole is cold, but places in places further
out on the on the you know, edges of Antarctica
in their winter time would be like seventy nine degrees. Wow.
I didn't understand that. And I did a stream on
this about a year and a half ago because it's
sort of based on the narrative of Arthur Gordon Pim
and Poe sort of predict Poe again also from Richmond.
Poe predicted this with the temperate zones, and then I
think Admiral Bird sort of picked up on that, so
I don't know who knows, who knows what's going on?
Speaker 1: Is definitely a Timboil rabbit hole. Yeah, what did you Entertainment?
Speaker 2: What did you think of the fact that this is
There are a couple of things in this book that
I found the most interesting and illuminating illuminate confirm about
not luminate confirm, but the most illuminating in terms of
Prince Harry as a character. And one is that when
he was at Eton, he talks about how he played
Halo a lot. He was in the you know, he's
a kind of an early gamer, and he had a
screen name, and his screen name was Bill and Bass,
so he shared it with his brother, and he says
that that was the only one of the only times
when he was allowed to be himself with strangers outside
of his circle, because no one knew who he was,
and he has a screen name and he can just
play Halo. And then he goes back to that when
he's in Afghanistan when he has this his call sign.
So what did you think? What did you think about that?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think for a person who is continually scrutinized
like that, Elvis Presley comes to mind I mean, look
what he might maybe had to do to get away
from that kind of attention. Right, So any type of
anonymity you can get is very enjoyable. And you also
feel like he he if they only knew, like they
were talking to her prince right now?
Speaker 2: Are you talking about hey, little chucklehead, my name is
alf Is a big emo motorcycle rider. Yeah, when he
would sneak out of Graceland and arrest people for speeding
on Elvis Presley Boulevard and then not give him a ticket,
just give him a slide picture and be like, don't speed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So definitely one of the fun parts about being
that famous is when you can be in disguise. So
Michael Jackson also would do that type of thing. He
would dress up as like a white guy and go
to the mall and do pranks and hand out Joe's
Witnesses literature, you know, like as a fat white man.
So he's enjoying just being Harry and not up whales.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And the thing you were talking about having
a whole continent, you know, to be yourself away from
media scrutiny, is something I hadn't really thought about with Harry.
I mean, because if you're always in the media, if
you're justin Bieber or whatever, and you go to the
Anne Frank house and you got a sign, you know
she would have been a believer. I mean, people are
gonna know who you are. But if you can go
to if you were heard George, have you ever heard
w say his Botswana thing he was giving he's giving
his speech. In the middle of it, he gives like
a programming activation MK delta code, he goes, we were
in a park in Botswana. O. Yeah, But Prince Harry
goes to body. He loves Botswana, so he can go
he can go to a country and have the pretty
much the whole country to just be himself because there's
no no media following in there, like they don't know
he's there in the first place, and then they're not
going to find him in the bush. So I thought
that was wild, you know that. And that's another example
of the fact that he'll make these jokes. He'll make
the he'll make these like turns of phrase in the
in the book where he will talk about he'll say,
he'll say something like it was a king's feast, you know,
it was fit for a prince. We had this meal
fit for a prince. But the way he writes it
in the book is is not ironic. He says those
things seriously, and I don't think he's aware that he's
using a phrase that applies. He's an actual prince, right,
so it's fit for a prince because it's him, But
he doesn't realize he's just trying. He just start talking.
And there's no indication. I say that because in the text, like,
there's no indication that he that he knows he's using
irony when he says it, and he's and it's without
it's without hubris, you know, it's sort of like very
weirdly humble when he says those things. I don't know,
it's it's really compelling.
Speaker 1: I think, Well, you can tell that he's striving for
some kind of nobility on top of being a royal,
he also wants to be a good person, right and
like give back, and he understands like he has some
kind of privilege and that he has influence to maybe
improve in a in a very naive way, like, but
he ties that in with his mother. It comes from
a sincere place, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: It ties that in. He ties that in with his
mother and his mother's charities. Nor McDonald had a good
bit about Princess Diana on the Weekend Update. He was like,
Princess Diana, who has a landmind charity. She's against land mines. Yeah,
because we're those are there's a problem with convincing people
that those are bad, right, It's like, but he gets
that from from her. I guess this is sort of
a charity.
Speaker 1: It's a really interesting mind set also to be in
because they know that they exist because of the public
and the taxpayers and for them, and also they have
to like call them, but also they have to serve
them and please them. So it's like and so the
Africa thing makes a lot of sense to Harry too,
because he's seeing all of these populations of animals that
you have to kind of live together, and he's equating
that maybe with like the UK or can you see
the parallels I'm drawing here how nature reflects what the
job that he has to do as like a husbandman
of people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it also reflects the hierarchy, yes, in the hierarchy
in nature reflects the hierarchy with them. I mean, you know,
there's a there's a lion on the you know. I mean,
the lion is the royal animal, you know, and he's
a royal and he's in the you know, he's in
the savannah and and all these places.
Speaker 1: And there's a predatory aspect to that too.
Speaker 2: M yeah, there is. Yeah. Yeah, it's very weird. I
mean that I find myself like talking about the book
like this. I'm aware that when I'm discussing the book
like this, and as I was reading it that I
was completely shocked by how I felt about it. Now,
look to be fair, all of this, this whole thing
could be some sort of media operation, you know, this
whole book.
Speaker 1: I was thinking that too. I'm like, You're such a sucker.
Why do you like that? I'm like, wait a second.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if I was duped before, now I feel super
duped because of this, you know. I mean, but but
I just I don't think that, you know, the I
think the way to discern these things in any area
that we come across is to find the CONTI and
see with the things and the other things that match up,
you know, and so you the patterns. You know. I'm
a listen, I'm a pattern noticer. I'm a noticer. I've
been noticing things for like at least twenty years. Now,
I mean, no, it is what Rachel's but shouts out
to Rachel based on school mom because she said that
in an interview that I was watching. She said, no,
it was on David Patrick Carystree. She said, I'm look,
I'm a noticer. I've been noticing things for at least
twenty years. And I thought that was funny because we're
the same age. But anyway, No, you notice the patterns
and consistency and the fact that, you know, if I
do literatey, if I continuously I do literary analysis, and
I'm reading a book here, and so what I noticed
about the book is that there's it's ghost written. Nobody
that's not edgy that you know, that's it's obviously ghost written.
He says himself, he can barely.
Speaker 1: Read and write, you know, which is being to be
written by his own.
Speaker 2: But the way that it's written, though, is clearly the
book is almost all conversational sentence fragments. So I think
that the way it's there's no attempt to make this
into a voice that's not his. And the article that
I read from the ghostwriter talked about you know, he
talked about this. He said that constructing the book, that
he had this relationship with Harry, that a ghostwriter has
to have a certain relationship with the person they're writing for,
and you have to get their cadence down. You have
to understand their sort of way, if they get the
patterns and the way that they think, and that over time,
after like millions of zoom calls and millions of conversations
and millions of spending, you know, time spending, you get
to love them and hate them and you have arguments
and stuff. But the way the text is written has
to be authentic for the way that the person speaks,
and you can't sort of make that whole thing up
if it's a If it's false, people will see through that.
So I think that the thing with this is that
people have not seen people. It's interesting because there's a
mirror with that, and that is that the people have
not seen through the daily mirror, you know, the media
rags that are continuously saying insider information. You know, one
of Harry's close friends says this, and it's it just
seems now, you know, you sort of realize at some
point that it's like that's all that could all be
made up. That's just to sell magazines or push a
narrative or push a globalist agenda or push it whatever.
But you never hear Harry speak, you know, So I
think it's interesting to hear him speak in this well.
Speaker 1: And there are no quotations in the books, so like
you said, it's like memories. It could be verbatim, it
could be just a misremembering of the quote or whatever.
But like, yeah, he hasn't quoted anyone and it's just
like the conversation.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Meanwhile, on page seventy seven, Harry does blow.
Speaker 1: That's not even the most interesting thing. I mean, he's
trekking to like the North Pole with some veterans that
have lost limbs, and you know, he's very sympathetic to
his squad and his mates, he's very loyal to Like
his time in the army, they had to talk about
like the glory of dying. So this is another stage
in his life that has to is focused around death
and dying, right, because any moment you could be, like
you said, like a ied or the Afghanistan or the
Taliban could pop up and he's actually in harm's way.
Oh yeah, several times, like he could have died it's
not just for show, like, it's not just medals for
your costume or whatever. Like he's actually doing the operations.
He's flying the Apache helicopter, ordering the tactical strikes. When
he got out, they said that are they They tallied
up and he said he had twenty five confirmed kills
and they're like, how do you feel about that? And
he was just like, well, you know, it's war like.
You can't humanize them because then you'll go crazy. It's
almost kind of like chess pieces on board. So there's
some more compartmentalizing of his he is he now he
has had to murder. Now he has I mean in war,
he's in his mind, he's doing the noble thing, the
right thing. He's his country. Like everyone thinks that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, good guys, really yeah yeah. I think the thing
the thing with the war thing is that, you know,
I mean, obviously the the Taliban wanted him as a target.
Uh what's his name? His his great uncle was targeted
by the IRA. He was killed, you know, by the IRA.
In Ireland Mount Badden, which by the way, I think
is probably something else. I think there's there's something about
Mount Badden being a creeper and it being a legitimate
target that was allowed by the royal family in some ways.
But there's no way to substantiate that. But the guy
who did that the bomb was ex military but anyway,
you know, so I think that what he makes clear
is that it's not he really he realizes at one
point that he wants to go into harm's way, but
by doing that, by by putting himself on the front lines,
he's actually putting himself. He's actually putting all of his
friends and the people with him at risk, and he
ends up not wanting to do that because they have
to go with him. And so he says, what it's like,
what a shame it would be if what if he
doesn't get killed and they all get killed, then then
what will what will I feel like? And the limb
thing you brought up is interesting, you know that all
the charities with the limbs, because he is a limb
of the royal family, you know, and he's a from
the beginning, he talked about being a meat, you know,
a meat locker for organs, for his brother. He's an appendage.
So it's the kind of natural psychologically that he would
want to associate with people that have lost appendage appendages,
and it's really.
Speaker 1: Sad that he was trying to play this supporting role
so well. But his brother always saw everything is a competition,
especially as they got older, it got worse and not better.
So he would tell stories. He was like, we were
always hitting and punching each other in the car and
the you know, fighting like little kids. He thought we
would grow out of that when we got older, but
they didn't really get out of the competition phase.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would be you'll never see an autobiography from
Prince William, but I think a lot of this Also,
it's important to keep in mind that like that, you you,
he's got a brother, and people have fams and they
are a family. He's a human you know, he is
a real human being. He's not a spectral simulation. He's
got a brother, and we'll never hear from them in
terms of this. But the but I think that's just
one of the things I liked about the book is
that it's important to keep in mind that maybe it's
not true that he's the bad guy in the family
and that and I don't know, I mean, maybe he is,
but but that yeah, Harry, you know, after all this,
maybe maybe I'm wrong about all this stuff, but I
don't think that we won't hear from William.
Speaker 1: You know, right, I don't think so. And the more
the media, like he said, tries to demonize them, the
more I pushed back and like, well, maybe they are okay,
because the one thing.
Speaker 2: That's clear, you know, one thing that's clear is that
his dad is not great. And my favorite, probably my
favorite part of this book was when he is talking
about his training in southwest England doing the APACHE training
and he says that his father had a hunting you know,
he has a hunting estate nearby, and that he was
there at the time. So he plugs in the GPS
coordinates for his father and he imagines dropping a hall
fire missile right on top of him. You remember that thought, Yes,
he's having dark thoughts. And and two examples that you
brought up, by the way of things that I had
a misconception about before I read this. One was the
Red Mist, The Red Mist, and the other was the
the the kill Count, because before I read the book,
I was sure that when he gave his k count
that I assumed that the Gurkis had lined up a
bunch of people from him and just been like take
him out, you know, and he just was a psychotic,
you know, a psychotic killer or whatever. And then I
read it and I go and I go, Okay, well
this sounds legitimate because because the kill count includes people
that he targeted, the radio targeting when he was in Afghanistan,
for the for the bombers, and for the people dropping missiles,
and the red mist. I thought was was tied in
with his blooding and with what he saw in Afghanistan.
Because every book on psychopaths and every serial killer book
and every novel and American psycho they did Psycho, they
do this. There's always an instance of the phrase red
mist or curtain of blood or shower of blood or
blood blood spatter. There's all I just did Manhunter, and
in that even in a book of fiction or an
American Psycho, they talk about that. How the killer notices,
like Lecter tells Francis dollar Hyde that you know, he
asked him, have you ever seen blood in the moonlight?
It looks quite black on a blade? And then he's
obsessed with the spray of missed. It's the psychotic thing
that they see. And so I thought that was what
was going to be in the book. But the Red
Miss is him right right, He's he's the redheaded non
stepchild of his family. Or maybe maybe he is. Maybe
he maybe he is a step child, maybe he has
an adopted child.
Speaker 1: You know that sounds like a superhero name the red
Miss with red hair, the British superhero. Okay, so now
we get into he's gonna meet Meghan and become Harry
and Meghan. So he was the party prince. He was
remember when he had like a date with Britney Spears
or something, So he was already like enjoying a little
bit of taste of Hollywood of America. And then the
way that he paints their meet cute and everything is
very endearing.
Speaker 2: M hmm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when he has like literally zero bad things to
say about her, he has no negative whatsoever. She hung
the moon for him, I thought. When she met the
Queen and Prince Andrew on the same day without a warning,
that's the pretty surreal moment in any versu's life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you have to see on the spot and
you don't even know, like you just thought you were
going to meet some of the grandma and she's the
Queen of England.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, there's a thing with Americans that Americans
don't bow to foreign foreign you know, to monarchs, to
foreign you know, which was a big deal with there's
a big, big deal with Obama bowing to the emperor,
Emperor Hirohido or whoever it was. But but again, I mean,
I just had recently read another thing about how Megan was.
I just went I read one today in the Daily
Mail about how the queen snubbed Meghan and Harry at
some event or whatever. And in the book he says, no,
the Queen liked Megan and and and now this could
be his you know, rose colored glasses or whatever. But
she she approves his the wedding, she approves the beard,
and then she goes and asks her to hang out,
and they go and she gives her a choice of
her personal tiaras, right, and then and then they go
off together and they do something. They went on some
tour together, the Queen and Meghan. Yeah. So it's like,
you know, to me, that's more believable because it's like
it's his grandmother. Yeah, she's the queen, but she's she
is it's still his grandmother. And she's meeting the woman
that he's gonna marry. I don't know. I don't know
if other feel this way, but it's kind of like
when your family members, when you're when your immediate family
members are with the person that they love and you
if there's something you don't like about them, there comes
a point, depending on your family member, where it's better
to stay quiet. It's it's better to let the person
they love them. So maybe you're maybe you're wrong about
it and you just got to let them, let them
love them.
Speaker 1: So right, well, yeah, they painted a very tenderhearted type
of relationship between Queen Elizabeth and Harry. Uh So this
is where we're getting into. Media is going to be
used as a weapon against Megan and Harry, and this
is gonna be thinking because journalism could be a noble
profession because people need to know what's going on. They
need to uncover, you know, corruption, There needs to beach
checks and balances, There needs to be some kind of
voice getting to all the ears so that you know,
secrets are not kept where they shouldn't be. But the
journalism of especially in the UK, it seems like an
offshoot of you know, like a military operation, like a
psyop or something because a lot of their techniques are
very close to like what they would talk about. When
you hear people say I've been gang stocked.
Speaker 3: You've heard those oh yeah the tis yeah yeah, so yeah,
targeted individuals.
Speaker 1: So for however, goofy that stuff is. It does sound
very similar to the paparazzi. And they did play a
part in the death of Princess Diana, even if that
was orchestrated, they were there as some kind of like
cover up or you know, catalyst to that. But now
Harry is becoming scared that he's going to lose Megan,
like he lost his mom because of paparazzi. So now
he has to go to therapy. Can you imagine a
royal on the houch a therapist.
Speaker 2: Well, there's one thing that he can say to the therapist.
He probably covered this in therapy, and that is the
most disturbing thing in the book, the single most disturbing.
You can hear this on his audiobook. He did the
audiobook where he talks about the Elizabeth Arden hand the cream.
Do you remember that part? And he says, this was
the scent that my mother used because he got frostbitten.
He got frostbitten on his wang when he was in Antarctica.
And so he someone recommends, is that Magan who recommends
Elizabeth Harden to a somewhat maybe his girlfriend because it's
before Megan. But he he says that he he couldn't
help but think of his mother. And this time he
was confused. It was sexual and violent. Yes, it was
by far the creepy. Oh my god, it was not right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he has a rub lotion on it in.
Speaker 2: It r mom? Yeah, yeah, moving on so wild. Oh. Also,
it's not only listen to people folks at home. It's
not only that that his mother died in a car accident.
It's that his best friend also died in a car
accident not long after his best friend, his only friend.
His friend was Yeah Henderson, Henry van straubin z mm hmm. Yeah,
And he's in a crash. Very he's there one minute
and he's gone the next. And and it's a car accident,
which which is particularly tragic I think for him or
for anyone, you know, it's terrible.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, he's in therapy. He's saying he lives like
in a zoo, like an animal on display. When Harry
brings up marriage to his dad. This is where you
start to wonder like, Okay, are you guys just super
greedy or are you really that poor or what? Because
the dad is worried how are we going to afford Megan? Right?
And also he feels that his dad doesn't want him
and Camilla to lose their place in the spotlight. So
this is this weird parasocial relationship that the royals have
with the paparazzi in the media. On one hand, they're like, oh,
we hate it, we hate being picked apart like this,
but they don't want.
Speaker 2: To lose it, right, Yeah, So yeah, that part was weird.
I mean, they've they've got the money. I mean, they're
they're you know, Elizabeth the Seconds the richest woman in
the world was, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so why are they keeping Harry in like a
little basement of a cottage with no furniture?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, it's uh and that's not unique with these
I mean we see that. You know, all of the
Shakespearean histories have that Richard third keeping the princes in
the tower, and we continuously see that with the With
these people. That's interesting because there's two princes, right, and
that's that's really interesting because we continuously see this and
like you said, the reason for this given is that
the public the allocation for their public events. Can't you know,
his don't want to take presidents. They don't want to
take his, They don't want his to take presidents over
Prince Prince Charles at the time because.
Speaker 1: They know they only have a limited amount of time
in this spotlight like to bask in it literally, like
Charles and Camilla for sure love basking.
Speaker 3: They are baskers, yeah, the light of the media. And
Harry does not really like the basking so much, the
hound of the baskerville.
Speaker 2: Yeah he uh oh. The I just realized by the
way that they're worried about the public perception and that
anything could change at any minute with the monarchy. At
least in his eyes, it won't. But could you know
that's the way it is in his perception, because after all,
they did kill one of his ancestors, whose name was Charles, right,
King Charles the first was executed by the people. So
and then it's King Charles the second who comes back.
And you know in the restoration, which is interesting, it's
that Charles who loses it and Charles who gets it back,
and then Charles is the is the Third. Uh, there's
a there's a play called King Charles the Third that
was put on while he was still prince. And my
friend played Harry in the play. It was in the
way I was in the West End. Yeah, my friend Harry,
Harry Smith played him in that play. But I think
that's uh, that Prince Charles is he just is just
he's just awful, you know, he's just awful. You know,
I'm going to I'm going to make a pull of
myself covered in blood. Oh, the butterfly doesn't represent anything.
It's not symbolic. It's like the only thing you see
in the painting that's visible besides him washed in blood,
as is the monarch butterfly, because it's a monarch. But
it's also obviously of his monarch symbolism. But then you
see spirits and ghouls and demons and dead people in
the paint. You do see that. It's clearly there, and
I think it's rich. It's it's really maddening. I watched
an interview with the guy who painted it and he said, Oh,
my daughters are getting all sorts of, you know, criticism
from their schoolmates, saying look, look what you see in it.
And they say, well, is there any symbolism and he says, no,
it's just a painting. Oh so you're a painter and
you don't believe in that there's symbolism in art. You're
just painting a picture. Well, didn't you paint a representative
picture of him with what you called rose rose color
to represent you know, his If it represents something, then
it's the symbolism. M hm, I mean it's And also
and also remember the famous painting of Queen Elizabeth, the
first that was painted over with the skulls in the background.
It's a Memento Moray in the background, you know, over
her like under her painting. You could see it in
X ray. Oh really, Yeah, that famous painting, famous painting
of Queen Elizabeth, not the one with John d but
the the portrait of Queen Elizabeth. One of them is
painted over. They it was an original, It was a
canvas and then there was a painting of skulls and
then they painted over it. But when you look at
it an X ray, there's skulls all around her.
Speaker 1: Oh crazy, Yes, I never heard of that. Yeah, what's
it called.
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's just one of the one of
the official portraits.
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll have to get up. So yeah, now Megan's
in the picture. Now they are planning this wedding, worried
about how they can can afford her and what are
they going to do with her, like how are they
gonna put her to work? But they find out that
Meg or Meghan he calls her, Meg, is better at
being a royal or connecting with the people and getting
the media on her side than the royal family even
is because the first couple engagements that they had is
like a couple or as you know.
Speaker 2: A.
Speaker 1: Married She was very well received. Everyone liked her. She
was very popular. It was reminding people of Princess Diana.
It was reminding Harry of his mom. And then it
seems to take a turn. Now when I finished the
book all day today, like as I was doing things,
I was just kind of like skimming little videos of
what's up with Megan and Harry now, and not one
of them was positive, Like little clip I clicked on,
it didn't matter if it was homemade, it didn't matter
if it was BBC, it didn't matter if it was inquired,
And like everybody is so negative against this couple, and
according to this book, she seems chill, like she doesn't
seem like a crazy There was a couple instances where
he said he found her crying on the floor because
the wedding plans, and that's because Kate was making her cry. Maybe,
But then the media tried to say that she's the
one that upset Kate and it's just stupid stuff, like
I can't believe it's it's worse than high school, it's
worse than middle school. That this the dumb ship the
tabloids come up with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, I think that's one of the
things in this It's like, uh, it doesn't have to
be it doesn't have to be a dialectic for people
that it's either or. I get that if people you know,
something to consider as a sort of counter argument for this,
but but it is clear to me that if every
single person in the media which we hate right is
against is against him, has nothing positive to say about them,
you know, they'll they'll be like, they'll be like, oh,
you know, he was walking his children. Can you believe
he walked them on a rainy day?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Right? He put them at risk? Right? Or they were
riding bikes a bike, right, you know, And it's like,
if that's the case, then yes, I don't. I don't
like you know, going to Oprah for the interview and
all and all the wacky stuff and the Beyonce and
the media, and I don't like any of that stuff.
And I'm not saying that's good, but it's also not
good that the Mockingbird people who are clearly, like you
mentioned before it were clearly especially in the British establishment
and in the MS MSM here it's in fact, you know,
that's what it's built on, is all CIA M I six,
M I five sis, all psyops continuously. Then that seems
like that would be you know, we should like take
a second look at that and see if there's any
if there's any truth to anything that they're saying. Maybe
some of the things that they say are true, maybe
the rumors, but like you were saying, who cares?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what was the dumbest one? It was like,
did Megan put Princess Charlotte's life in danger by asking
her to wear flowers in her hair at the right right?
Speaker 2: Yes, Yeah, that had to be the worst one.
Speaker 1: And it's just like calm on like anything wouldn't be
triple approved and scrutinized by tons of staff. And I
mean he couldn't even have a beard or not unless
he asked the queen. Yeah, so every last detail, they
act like Megan just came in like a bull in
a china shop and started like busting up stuff. And
it's not true, like they're not gonna let anything happen
that they don't want to happen.
Speaker 2: It's also ironic that the media pushes issues related to R.
A c. E So much, and then they there's the
continuous overtone. I mean, he brings that up and he
falls too far into that you know about you know,
his sort of belief system then becomes very very wokeish,
you know about all that stuff. But go ahead, Yeah, no,
it's it's just it's just obvious that it just seems
to me that I mean, he doesn't I don't, I
don't know. He's not on the one. I was going
to say, he's not in the chats, so he's not
based like everybody else's. But actually maybe he maybe he
could be right, he could be he could be in
the could be in the chat.
Speaker 1: I always had it in my mind that maybe Megan
got scared of you know, the shape shifting people, and yeah,
like got freaked out at one too many. I don't know,
hard was she?
Speaker 2: She didn't help win at the wedding. She had the
ship shifting you know, shape shifting Lizardo's dancing at the wedding.
Do you remember that that was so bad? They're like
they're like they're literally doing shape shifting gin dances at
the wedding, like you know, sticking tongues out and they're
all looking at each other. But maybe the royal family
was Maybe Prince Charles was giving eyes and stuff because
he was like, that's all thing you can't have that,
you can't have that. Well, they learned the ritual, right.
Speaker 1: Harry said that Prince Charles really likes Megan. I don't know,
King Charles. I'm sorry, sorry.
Speaker 2: He uh I did. One of one of the other
motifs in the book is the never complain, never explained
thing that he comes up with on He says that
earlier on in the book, and on page eighty eight
he says, you know that that was his sort of watchword,
that was his like mantra, never complain, never explained. That's
the this standard prince of the of the royal family,
and that he takes that to heart. And that's sort
of a you know, a British stiff upper lip of mentality.
But it can play against him in a number of
ways because he never he never speaks, But it's also noble.
It's also noble when a person sort of does that,
you know, when they have that mentality, especially like let's say,
in their professional in the professional world or just in general,
to be to take on a more stoic sort of
mentality on one part, I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 1: Well, do you think that they painted Harry and Meghan
in a negative light to contrast the William and Kate
who were like already beloved and parents and doing everything perfectly,
and Kate was always dressed perfectly. Do you think that
maybe that was part of the official narrative, that Megan
and Harry would be a kind of scapegoat or a
black sheep just to keep the interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is that a or what? Well? I mean, Harry
sets the stage for that at the beginning of the
book when he he says basically in other words, that
he is the whipping boy. You know, he's the official
whipping boy, so that he kind of we kind of
come to expect that. Also that you know the way
that I mean, I like Kate. I liked the way
that Kate was portrayed. It's just that, you know, she's
a nice looking woman and they have a family, and
I think that that's that's that's that's beautiful, you know
if if that and I'm not saying I don't know,
I just I like that. I like that they have
a family, they have kids, and that they are parents.
I mean that's rare. That's rare in the world now.
And uh so I think, yeah, there's sort of portrayed
that way. Also, there's a kind of there's probably a
kind of unconscious hereditary thing happening with the fact that
their monarchy was abdicated with a guy who went off
to marry an American before. I mean, that was the
eighth that already happened. That caused a huge stir in
their country. But you know, Princess Diana's see Princess Dian
how she related to Churchill. She's a church she's a
Spencer and Churchill was a Spencer, So she's related to
Winston Churchill and he married he's his mother was an American,
was an American actress, so it's sort of you know,
he wasn't a royal, but sort of plays into this.
And so I'm not I'm not sure. I mean, I
think that there's just a you know, oftentimes the media
will just designate the person that they hate in order
to drive from sales or whatever it is, or power
for the power structure.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Obviously, maybe it's the fact that Harry doesn't seem to
be uh towing the line for the stabby's in the
V word and the and the perennialism like Charles was.
I'm sure he's stabbied, you know, of course probably. But
the one part I wanted to mention was in chapter
thirteen of the book, on page one thirty nine, when
he's in Afghanistan. I found this very very compelling. So
he just to go back a little. He has a
he has a call sign which is Widows six seven,
and they place them behind the lines. But he's designating
the radio calls for the bombing raids, uh and that.
But what that allows them to do is talk to people,
not only talk not only talk to people, like he
was in Halo when he was a child, but as
an adult who's supposed to be serving, and he's communicating
with people on a constant basis, and he gets to
know it's just like the internet. You know, he's talking
to people that he doesn't know in real life and
they don't know that he's Harry, but he's designating the
bombing raids. And he says like that that was the
most connected he felt to other people his whole life,
because he's doing something that. Yeah, I mean there's an
irony involved in all this, because it's the it's the
elites that are driving the war and that are taking
people out in the first place in this in this war,
but that's I mean, he didn't plan the war. So
but he's still thriving on people doing a job, a
noble you know, the guy doing the job in the war. Actually,
I suppose the argument, you know, is always that he's
doing a noble job. He's serving his country, he's protecting
other people, and that's how he sort of feels about it.
So I found I thought that part was pretty compelling.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he always considered his grandma still his like
commander in chief.
Speaker 2: M h.
Speaker 1: You know, he was never super rebellious or treasonous or
anything like that. Like I always thought he was very respectful,
but he just put Megan first. I mean, as I thought,
that's pretty sincere and noble of him to do. Just
in life anyways, if you want to have a nice family,
you're going to have to put her first, Yeah, and
strap children, you know. Yeah. And unfortunately, so now we're
kind of getting to the end of the book. The
two couples relationship is dissolving. Kate and Megan don't get along.
In my weird conspiracy fantasies, I'm thinking they're trying to
get Megan to do like I don't know, Roseberry's baby
stuff and like do stuff with their bay. I don't
know what's going on in like in the Layers of
this royal family, the descendants of.
Speaker 2: Dracula, William.
Speaker 1: Yes, so William comes and they scrap. He comes to
suspect Charles and Camilla of planting stories about them in
the press, and both couples actually, so it just seems
like it's kind of a den of vipers when it
comes to like narcissism and attention and stirring up things
and like muck breaking and getting back and petty backfighting stuff.
So come to find out that Charles and the Queen
both have people on staff that are skilled at planting
stories and making people look bad, like that's their job.
And it's funny that he confronts his dad and he's like, well,
granny has one, so I get to have one, and
that when he has these interactions with his dad, it's
such a window into just like the mindset of a royal, like, well,
it's only fair if granny gets a maid servant, then
I get a maid servant. Or she has two footmen,
I get two footmen. Like it's just really competitive and
everything has to be super hierarchical and fair.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's good. That's good the window into it.
I mean, one example is when he's at war and
he calls his dad to talk to him, and his
dad like won't talk to him on the phone and says,
you know letters, Yeah, you know, it's just like I
can't even talk to his dad. And then and then
when he tries to when he tries to organize the
charity in London, and he's like, look, you want me
to do these things. I've got money allocated that we
can do this, and we can do this charity and
then they're like and like you were saying like, They're like, no,
then it wouldn't look good for me because of my
public appearances. And he's like, I just want to do
a charity. Yeah, this is my job was supposed to
be doing. I didn't know it was going to be
such a big deal.
Speaker 1: So you know, yeah, No, your thing falls on the
same day as my thing, and the paper might write
more about you than it writes about me. It's super child.
So he's trying to share with his dad things that
Megan is teaching him. Like there's a ton of science
showing how unhealthy it is to be publicly hated and mocked.
I believe that, and I believe there's something too a
person who gets a lot of applause and just like
think of, you know, your typical pop star having eighty
thousand people screaming your name and applause and all that
energy going into you. That can be very addictive. And
at the other end of the spectrum, all the people
hating on you, that's very draining. I have like the
tini inf of experience with that. I hate negative comments.
I hate it when people put things on YouTube. I'm
going to turn the comments off, probably because I just
I don't want to hear it anymore. But I couldn't imagine.
Speaker 2: If everybody know one thing that one thing that bugs
me is when I text. This is my personal foible.
When I text a person something, one of my friends
something or family, and they it's a negative thing I'm
texting them, like, let's say it's a link to you know,
Charles becomes an alligator, right or whatever. They hit the
thumbs down on it because they're saying thumbs down on
the article. But I hate seeing the thumbs down. Oh
they said you fail. I did not like you fail.
Speaker 1: Yes, I can't imagine being hated as much as like
Harry and Meghan have been, even to have a South
Park episode dedicated to, yeah, making fun of you, So
now you're on the road.
Speaker 2: Probably watches he probably watches. Uh, he probably watches south Park.
So maybe he thinks that's funny.
Speaker 1: Maybe yeah, maybe that's cool. That's like a badge of
honor anyways, because they're always so funny, but they're always
so true, like stop looking at me, but look at
me right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: In South Park they called it their their Role Privacy
Tour because as soon as you don't have it, then
you're empty again. So it's this double edged sword. They're
not looking at me. I have to do something real fast.
And also they're running out of money because the dad
is going to cut them off. He takes he pulls
a security which is six million dollars a year. But
now Harry and Megan have to figure out how to
baseline makes six million dollars a year to keep to
stay alive because they need the team.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they can. They have a few options here. They
can either they can either join the club and start
you know, contributing to the Black Book budgets right and
running the global fentanyl trade or whatever. They can start
doing the thing that apparently Princess Diana was trying to
expose when she died, which is the worst thing, the
typical creeper traf thing, which is you know, sort of
as are some of the allegations and implications or why
she was taken out. Or they can go get a
Netflix contract right and start making documentaries and make into
a podcast or whatever, which.
Speaker 1: They have explore all of these avenues. They were on
Spotify and that did not go through. They have a
new Netflix coming out. I think in December, like a
two part thing, but like, what, honestly, what do you
expect from this poor boy?
Speaker 2: Okay, he has business, he couldn't make investments, but I
don't even know if he's if they allow him to
have control over the capital to do that.
Speaker 1: He had no viable life skills. When he had to
flee his family home, he was like, you know, a
discarded trad wife being put out to pasture with no
work history, no resume. I mean, he did have these
experiences of like the army and stuff, but he said
of his own accord, he's like, I don't know how
to do bureaucracy, things like I never carried money, I
never had a bank account, Like everything was taken care
for me, and now he has to figure out how
to do life from stress.
Speaker 2: He could be a bag man like Hunter Biden and
then get scolded by becoming a becoming an artist. You know,
that's why Joe Biden made him an artist. Like listen,
he was like, listen, you're gonna you're going to become
a You're going to become a uh, you're gonna become
a skintles man. You know, we're going to make you
into an artist, and he's like, no, because because the
laptop was exposed, or he could use he could be
he could run a black ops thing with his Gurka contracts, right,
uh Girka contacts and and run some sort of global
uh blackwater operation. I don't, I mean, I don't. What
are his options?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's an entertainer at this point. You're never going
to escape being a royal because that's what you are,
so you might as well lean into it. And you know, yeah, entertaining.
So he's we're back at Frogmore Gardens at the end
of the book and they're talking about it coming full
circle about the media, and he said, I snarted. There
was always a butt with him when it came to
the press. He's talking about Charles because he hated their hate,
but oh how he loved their love. One can make
the argument that therein lay the seeds of the whole problem,
indeed all problems going back decades. Deprived of love as
a boy, bullied by schoolmates, he was dangerously compulsively drawn
to the elixir they offered him, which was fame.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you remember when he took d M T
or No, he took ayahuasca, He took yah. He took
the age yakeh yeah, and he sees the Red Mist
and my note at the top of that was gnostic
prison planet and what else? He he doesn't understand tweets,
he like, he like, doesn't understand them at all. You
don't understand what that is. You don't understand Like the comments,
He's like, how can they allow people to say such
of negative things? Right? They all they do is say
negative things, and it's like, what do you mean how?
This is what happens at the end of the book,
page three ninety one. I wrote rigorous infantalization. Truman Show
he makes He talks about the Truman Show, but it
feels like he's in a again, in some sort of
prison planet. He talks about how Queen Elizabeth the second
is Granny laid the wreath for him, remember when he
wasn't allowed back on Remembrance Day on Armists Day to
go lay the wreath. That's why I have this poppy here, folks.
This isn't because of Hellman Province in Afghanistan where he
was serving with the largest opium fields of the world.
This is because of the Battle of the Somme, because
that's what they were in England because he's not allowed
to go back and lay the wreath at the tomb.
Oh and then he talks about the ceremony when he
went to the tomb of the Unknown Soldier in America
and how affected he is by it because he said,
and this I thought this was great. He says, you know,
in England you go and you lay the wreath, and
he wasn't allowed back, and so he got his grandmother
to lay the wreath for him, which was which was
you know, that was sweet. But then he says, in America,
when you do it, you know that you hold the
wreath with a soldier, which conveys the sense of passing.
You know, there's a living person and there's a military
person and they are laying you know, politics and the
military and they're laying the wreath together or something, you know,
and and and so it symbolizes the passing on of
the military spirit, like with a sense of honor. And
he says how much that really affected him. So I think,
and I think that's a man that's a manly thing.
Because we often see Harry as as portrayed as being
extremely beta and soft and just a total you know,
c U. C. K with a lot of the stuff.
But I'm not sure that that's accurate. I mean, he
is portrayed that way, and we do see him talking
like that, which is unfortunate. But I think there's a
sense of stoicism that we get. That's weird that we
that I would get a sense of stoicism from this
book when it's the book in all the reviews were
portrayed as Harry complains and his whining and telling stories
on people, you know, which, which in a sense he's doing.
But that's any autobiography in a sense, I guess I.
Speaker 1: Didn't get that sense at all. I just overall a
lost boy who had a gap nurturing and he found
that in Megan. I mean, yeah, he was starving and
she was there and she hit all the boxes and
she was good on camera. She was pretty, she was poised,
she was successful.
Speaker 2: How about when he doesn't cry, He never cries about
They can't cry because it's that, you know, it's the
it's the prep school thing. He can't cry until the
first time he ever cries about his mother is the
day that he tells his girlfriend that he's not going
to marry her. Mm hm, right, which I thought was
heavily dramatic moment, great for Netflix theories.
Speaker 1: Because the girls, there was only a couple of girls, Like,
he wasn't a womanizer, like they try to make him
out to be a party guy. He only had one
or two girlfriends before he met Megan and they could
not handle this. Yeah, and it seems like Megan couldn't
really either, Like, yeah, so they had to fleet or
he was going to be under this paparazzi for the
rest of his life. And I'd much rather live in Montecito,
California than insor Castle for sure.
Speaker 2: For wherever they were living, Yeah, where is that where
they live? They live in mont or do they live
in like Calabasas next to the Kardashian was up north
oh ok.
Speaker 1: Central California. Yeah, but so, yeah, you brought up the
remembrance day, the poppy, the dying soldiers. So death is
a cloud that hangs over this entire story. And he's
ruminating at the end, He's like, are we literally a
death cult? Because a lot so many of our ceremonies
are about death. They have to do this thing where
they had to walk behind Princess Diana's coffin. Yeah, and
we had to do that walk several times. So so
much of his life is about death, and he goes.
But now I see that even our finest moments and
my best memories somehow involved death. Our lives were built
on death, our brightest days shadowed by it. Looking back,
I didn't see spots of time, but dances with death.
I saw how steeped we were ourselves in it. We
christened and crowned, graduated and married, passed out and passed
over our beloved bones. Windsor Castle was itself a tomb,
the walls filled with ancestors. The Tower of London was
held together with the blood of animals used by the
original builders a thousand years ago is to temper the
mortar between the bricks. Outsiders called us a cult, But
maybe we were a death cult. And wasn't that a
little bit more depraved? Even after laying Grandpa arrest, had
we not had our filth, why were we here lurking
along the edge of that undiscovered country from who's born
no traveler returns?
Speaker 2: That's Hamlet, Yeah, he said, maybe that's.
Speaker 1: A more apt description of America. But he's realizing how
much this whole religion has death involved in it, and
it's a very druidic flavor to it.
Speaker 2: Also, I see that as I mean, I know that
so Prince Harry is by definition part of the pyramid people.
I mean, he's a you know, he's one of the
one of the elite families of all elite families. But
but what he says there is very human, you know,
because we all in a sense are that we live
in a fallen world and we're surrounded by death. Everybody
who lives dies, you know, they're all gone. And and
I feel like that's maybe him coming to terms with
the fact that that's that's a fact, you know, especially
with this overhanging his mother, you know, I mean, death,
death hangs over us all in some way. Fortunately, we have,
you know, the chance for life. You know, we we live,
we've got to keep living, and we have we have
eternal the promise of eternal life life through Christ. But
he h yeah, I think that that's him coming to
terms with it in a number of ways. It is
interesting though that he becomes sort of aware in an
adjacent sense of the death cult atmosphere of what surrounds
his family. You know, he's getting a glimpse of what
people like us see about about this whole thing, you know,
And so yeah, I thought, you know, that's what makes
for a you know, when he says, why are we here?
And that's the purpose of all art? That's the purpose
of all of all art? What are what are we
doing here? What's our relationship with God? And what are
we supposed to do while we're here? How do we
get along with each other? How do we make our
way through life? So I felt like that was a
my my thought about that was that that was a
him sort of getting a glimpse into what people are
supposed to think, you know, about going through life. Of course,
of course I don't know. I mean, you know, it's
just a really interesting book. There's there's It's voluminous in
terms of its its story. What Hollywood would say is storytelling,
and it again is the complete opposite of something like
the JD. Vance book I'llbiliology, which I was not. I
read it and I was even going to do an
analysis on it, but it wasn't even enough to give
me material. It was just totally synthetic. It was like
it was like a person trying to come up with
an origin story. And maybe it was maybe the stuff
was true or factual, but it didn't read that way.
It didn't read like I had any sort of connection
with it. In this I really felt with somebody, like
talking like a person, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: You feel like you know him at the end. You
sympathize with him and Megan. You definitely don't despise them,
like get the.
Speaker 2: I mean, I read the hell out of this book.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I read it in like three or four days,
so I did.
Speaker 2: I didn't even win. Did you feel this way? Like
at some point I didn't even want it to end.
I wanted that one and more.
Speaker 1: Well, they've got a new special on Netflix just for
you in December. They going to do Man. They had
to stay at Tyler Perry's house at one time. They
were cock this house, so they're they're kind of plugged
in and I love that for Harry, like I think
he should have fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tyler Perry told him you can stay in my
in my house because my grandmother loved your grandmother.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: He seems to like Americans and America. It's so funny.
I love British people so much. Every time they come
to America. It's just is like a burst of fun
and energy because they're so tickled about everything we do.
They love cowboys, they love wild West, like they just
have a lot of enthusiasm for America. So we love
our British friends.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one of the ironies of the English is
that they realize how big this country is, how huge
our continent is. But it's ironic because the English owned
a quarter of the globe. You know, we were British.
Our country was English, yeah, you know, and so was
the country above us. You know, they're still part of
the Dominion, part of the Commonwealth.
Speaker 1: So it's almost like it's funny you ever go go
to a theme park with adults versus going to a
theme park with kids. It's way more fun with kids
because they're like, whoa, That's how it is with British
people in America. It's like, yeah, theme park with kids?
Speaker 2: Well, I go to Disney World like thirty three times
a year, you know, with all of my girlfriends. Now,
I don't do that. Well.
Speaker 1: The epilogue of this book ends with the funeral of
Queen Elizabeth the Second and he's wrapping it up in
a way that's kind of touching, like they always had
a type of wink wink relationship, like a very how
did you describe it? Just some secrets between them. Yeah,
so he made the Queen of England look human?
Speaker 2: How do you do that? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You made me believe she was just granny mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I think that.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: I mean it's weird what's happened with with Kate, you know,
with the health stuff, the stabby related I'm sure health stuff,
and who knows how long you know, Charles will be around,
but will I'm in our lifetime, you know, maybe sooner
than later, William will be the William will be William
will we be William the fourth. William the Third is
William of Orange Northern Ireland. But yeah, maybe, uh, I don't,
I don't know. You know, he'll have his Netflix. Maybe
he'll do a co Netflix with Obama and they'll do
a new American Factory.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he should do like a travel show around America
that would like a Carl Pilkington but in America with
Prince Harry.
Speaker 2: Maybe. Yeah he did. He did bear Grills. He needed
bear grills man versus wild Yeah, I think he did that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that was Prince Harry Spare and I guess
me and Bla our team Harry and Meghan. Now I
don't know. Yeah yeah, and next time you see us,
we'll probably doing what dinosaurs? Yeah, yeah, we gotta do
with dinosaurs. Real, what do you think?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we gotta do dinosaurs. Uh, there's a bunch of
there's a bunch of stuff to cover. I will be doing.
I will be doing next Uh what am I doing?
I don't know what I'm gonna. I think I'm gonna
do a stream coming up on Friday, the you know what,
I should just do Twilight Friday I'm doing so Friday
the thirteenth, So coming up is my birthday this coming weekend,
So I'll probably do a stream a call in stream
or something, and maybe I'll do Twilight since we're getting
into pumpkin spice fall, and I'll cover vampires again. I
covered vampires two years ago on my birthday, so maybe
I'll do Twilight again.
Speaker 1: Nice related to the royal family, yes.
Speaker 2: Of course? Yes? What does he what does he say
in brass circus tracking lib?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: The blood that flows through these veins? Right? Stra Cool?
Speaker 1: Well, thank you all for coming and we'll see you
next time on out of this world Tonight, Peace,