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Speaker 2: so let's dig into this. Well, we're gonna finish up
Speaker 2: our story of Nero this hour. We're gonna make fun
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Speaker 2: let's get back to our story. If you missed any
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Speaker 2: your leisure. I'm not covering the entire backstory now. All
Speaker 2: you need to know in case you're just now joining us,
Speaker 2: is the young boy king Nero has just taken and
Speaker 2: over his emperor. His conniving, intelligent, possibly evil mother Agrippina
Speaker 2: is the one largely responsible for getting him the throne.
Speaker 2: Nero takes over and he is a popular man very popular.
Speaker 2: He's cutting taxes, he's giving slaves rights, he's eliminating capital punishments,
Speaker 2: he's returning power to the Senate, he's attacking corruption. He
Speaker 2: is a populist by any sense of the word. At first,
Speaker 2: at least and then remember how young Nero is. Then
Speaker 2: Nero begins to change. And I don't know why. There
Speaker 2: are books written about why what happened? Was he drugged?
Speaker 2: Did he have a medical episode? Was this just a
Speaker 2: growing up thing? Remember you take power when you're sixteen
Speaker 2: at the age of sixteen. Think about what you were
Speaker 2: like when you were sixteen. Think about how dumb you were.
Speaker 2: Think about how dumb. It might not be the right
Speaker 2: way to put it, but think about everything you didn't
Speaker 2: know at sixteen. Imagine being the most powerful person on
Speaker 2: the planet at the age of sixteen, essentially worshiped as
Speaker 2: a god. Maybe it was just the power that wrecked him.
Speaker 2: But Nero begins to chafe. He begins to chafe against
Speaker 2: his mother. Nero starts to really like girls. Sixteen year
Speaker 2: old boy, sixteen year old, sixteen year old boy and
Speaker 2: the most powerful person on earth. Do you think maybe
Speaker 2: he got some female attention? But as teenage boys tend
Speaker 2: to do, and teenage girls didn't always go for the
Speaker 2: girls his mother wanted him to go for. Nero is
Speaker 2: chasing down slave girls. That is not something that was
Speaker 2: done in Roman society. Was a bit of an odd duck. Anyway,
Speaker 2: we'll come back to that. But Nero's mother begins to
Speaker 2: voice her disapproval of his choices in life, and Nero, apparently,
Speaker 2: you know, eventually young boys, they don't. They don't cling
Speaker 2: to mommy like they used to, instead of bowing to
Speaker 2: her wishes like he always had before, starts to push
Speaker 2: her out, starts to phase her out. Remember I mentioned
Speaker 2: the coins where her face was printed on the same
Speaker 2: side as his face. Yeah, there were new coins minted.
Speaker 2: It wasn't like that anymore. Agrippina is no longer allowed
Speaker 2: to live in the palace Nero has built. Agrippina. His
Speaker 2: mother has sent to a different palace. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: mom no, I still love you, just don't want you
Speaker 2: to live just if you could, if you wouldn't mind
Speaker 2: moving out. I got a slave girl I'm into. Agrippina
Speaker 2: gets moved out. Remember the influences in Nero's life that
Speaker 2: were keeping him grounded. They're giving a lot of credit
Speaker 2: for his popular the reforms influences like Seneca, the popular philosopher,
Speaker 2: the Oprah in the day Seneca pushed out, Hey, Seneca,
Speaker 2: thanks for that advice. Anyway, got a date with a
Speaker 2: slave girl tonight. Not gonna be not gonna be making
Speaker 2: my philosopher appointment. Thanks too bad. So sad. The people
Speaker 2: who guided Nero are being pushed out by Nero. And
Speaker 2: when you're the freaking Roman emperor, you can push out
Speaker 2: whoever you intend to push out. But you do have
Speaker 2: these norms. There's a there is a culture in Rome,
Speaker 2: and while the Romans would accept a lot of things,
Speaker 2: they shouldn't accept a lot of things you shouldn't accept.
Speaker 2: There is one thing that really really well, there are
Speaker 2: many things, but there's something that really really graded on
Speaker 2: the Romans. That was fratricide, the killing of a family member,
Speaker 2: especially your mother. You see, women weren't allowed to really
Speaker 2: hold official political power in Rome. But like virtually every
Speaker 2: other society that sounds very patriarchal, the men ruled everything.
Speaker 2: That was obviously not totally the case. Women operate in
Speaker 2: a different way. They're more they would tend to maneuver
Speaker 2: behind the scenes, manipulate things. That's the women wield power
Speaker 2: differently than men wield power. Okay, so women were not,
Speaker 2: contrary to what your history book tells you, useless, worthless,
Speaker 2: second class citizens who were put upon in Rome. They
Speaker 2: didn't have the rights men had. I'm not saying they did.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to sit here and pretend like they did.
Speaker 2: But they weren't. These stupid slaves kept in a closet
Speaker 2: until they were allowed let out to make dinner and
Speaker 2: make babies. It was not that way at all. The
Speaker 2: Romans revered their mothers. You don't harm your mother. Nero
Speaker 2: apparently Chafing was putting it nice. Decided he wanted his
Speaker 2: mother dead, but he didn't want to just murderer. Obviously,
Speaker 2: he could just show up at her house with his
Speaker 2: praetorian guard stabber to death. He could do that, but
Speaker 2: that would look really bad. The Romans would look poorly
Speaker 2: on that. And even an emperor, it's not just a
Speaker 2: president or a senator. Even an emperor has to worry
Speaker 2: about public opinion. If the public turns against you, you
Speaker 2: probably won't be there long. So what do you do
Speaker 2: if you're Nero? Well, again, they could make a movie
Speaker 2: I don't know how this hasn't been made into a
Speaker 2: series on HBO or something. Nero decides he's going to
Speaker 2: have his mother drown. If you will, how were you
Speaker 2: going to pull something like that off? He has engineers
Speaker 2: build for him a sizeable boat, a boat that is
Speaker 2: designed to fail and sink once it gets out onto
Speaker 2: the water. This true story. Nero has a little banquet,
Speaker 2: Mom is invited one night. Mom, after dark, decides she
Speaker 2: wants to go home, back to her separate place, and
Speaker 2: she has to cross the river, a very very large river.
Speaker 2: This is not a creek. So Mom hops in this
Speaker 2: wonderful new boat her son purchased for what a good boy.
Speaker 2: And on this boat where a bunch of people men
Speaker 2: Nero had bought off to ensure his mother never made
Speaker 2: it to the shore. See what I did there, Chris,
Speaker 2: to ensure that his mother never made the shore alive.
Speaker 2: The boat begins to sail across the water. The boat
Speaker 2: does exactly as what it was designed to do, and
Speaker 2: the boat begins to sink beneath the waves. Agrippina, has
Speaker 2: she struck you so far as a moron? This is
Speaker 2: a very cunning woman. Agrippina very quickly figures out in
Speaker 2: the middle of the night, in the middle of the river,
Speaker 2: the boat is sinking. This is on purpose. My son's
Speaker 2: trying to kill me. So Agrippina does the most Agrippina
Speaker 2: thing ever. She puts her clothes onto her personal attendant,
Speaker 2: her personal maid. I've heard the woman described as a slave.
Speaker 2: I don't know what she was, but she was someone
Speaker 2: there for Agrippina. Agrippina gives her her clothes and says, hey,
Speaker 2: I want you to live, so call out to the
Speaker 2: guards and say you're me. The maid starts saying help me.
Speaker 2: I'm Agrippina, I'm drowning. Help me. Agrippina slips over the
Speaker 2: side of the boat and begins to swim. As her
Speaker 2: maid is saying help me, the guys who were on
Speaker 2: the boat come down and beat her to death. They
Speaker 2: think they've killed Agrippina, but they have not killed Agrippina.
Speaker 2: The boat goes under the water. Agrippina is very much alive.
Speaker 2: She is rescued by it. That's the true story. She's
Speaker 2: rescued by a fishing vessel. She gets over to the shore.
Speaker 2: She gets home. I made it, but Nero's not gonna
Speaker 2: let that go. Remember what I just described about Roman
Speaker 2: mothers and women in society. Nero says, well, the boat
Speaker 2: thing didn't work, let's just go with the sword thing. Yes,
Speaker 2: a bunch of men with clubs and swords and spears
Speaker 2: show up at her home. After she lives, they beat
Speaker 2: her to death. Allegedly. You never know how much of
Speaker 2: this is Roman soap opera stuff and how much of
Speaker 2: it is real. Allegedly, she told her attackers. As they
Speaker 2: were about to land their killing blows, she pointed to
Speaker 2: her womb and said, here, stabbed me. Here where the
Speaker 2: monster grew. Talking about Nero, she was well aware of
Speaker 2: why she was being beaten to death in the middle
Speaker 2: of the night in her home. Well, now Agrippina is
Speaker 2: gone now, as evil as she may have been, really,
Speaker 2: anybody holding Nero down to any sense of reality, now
Speaker 2: these people have been run out of his life by Nero.
Speaker 2: I might want to point that out. And now the
Speaker 2: terrible stories about Nero, you've heard, many of them false,
Speaker 2: but many of them try true. Now those stories are
Speaker 2: going to play out. If you will, we will try
Speaker 2: to wrap up our Nero story and get back to
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Speaker 2: Bit is the Jesse Kelly Show on a Wednesday absolutely
Speaker 2: drove the show right off a bridge. Today on a Wednesday,
Speaker 2: decided we were gonna do some history just because I
Speaker 2: felt like it. In case you're wondering why we're doing
Speaker 2: a long history episode today, I just felt like it.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I do. I've told you I'm gonna bring you
Speaker 2: whatever I can whenever I have time, whenever, whenever I
Speaker 2: feel like it. I like doing history stuff every now
Speaker 2: and then take a break from all this political stuff.
Speaker 2: So we're talking Nero. If you want to email the show,
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Speaker 2: seven three. Now let's try to finish up on Nero
Speaker 2: and do a little bit more politics before we wrap
Speaker 2: things up here. Nero's mother dies, tries to have her drowned.
Speaker 2: She manages to survive because she's a wily one. She
Speaker 2: ends up getting beaten and stabbed to death by Nero's people. Nero,
Speaker 2: really it's got to be the power going to his head. Nero,
Speaker 2: understanding this wouldn't look good to the public, tried to
Speaker 2: call it a suicide. But look, we think ancient times,
Speaker 2: we think they were less informed than they actually were.
Speaker 2: How long do you think until the word got out
Speaker 2: of what actually happened. People figured out what happened to
Speaker 2: Nero's mom. So remember that popularity Nero has or had,
Speaker 2: it tends to disappear very very quickly in Roman society
Speaker 2: when they find out you had your mother beaten to death.
Speaker 2: Now that brings us to the Great Fire of Rome
Speaker 2: old cities. I say, oh, this applies to Chicago when
Speaker 2: it burnt up. But older cities were They were tinder
Speaker 2: boxes made to burn, and it's not really the fault
Speaker 2: of the people there. Think about this. We were used
Speaker 2: to living in a global economy where if I want
Speaker 2: to build a house, Let's say I have a bunch
Speaker 2: of money and I want to build a special house
Speaker 2: for myself. No I'm not building a house, but I
Speaker 2: want to build a house out of a certain a
Speaker 2: marble house. Maybe I want marble everywhere. Well there's no
Speaker 2: marble here, but I could do it. If I had
Speaker 2: the money to do it, I could bring in whatever
Speaker 2: I wanted to bring in. For most of human history,
Speaker 2: the world wasn't as global as it is now, and
Speaker 2: you build your structures with what you have, what is
Speaker 2: around you. Rome, like virtually every other ancient city was
Speaker 2: made of wood. Yes, there was stone and brick and
Speaker 2: things like that in the Romans did that stuff very well.
Speaker 2: But for the most part it's a wooden city. When
Speaker 2: we picture ancient Rome, we all myself included picture white marble,
Speaker 2: don't we Everything was marble. It was probably all glistening
Speaker 2: white and marble. This and marble that that is later
Speaker 2: later Rome, and even then even in later Rome that
Speaker 2: was only special parts of Rome. Rome was wood. If
Speaker 2: you got transported back in time, if I got transported
Speaker 2: back in time to the year zero, you know that
Speaker 2: the year Jesus was born, you'd probably be kind of
Speaker 2: disappointed with how ugly Rome was. I would, we we would.
Speaker 2: I want to tell you right now, I want to
Speaker 2: picture this glistening white city. It would not look like that.
Speaker 2: It would be smelly, it would be dirty, it would
Speaker 2: be wooden. No one knows how the fire started. The
Speaker 2: truth is no one knows, and no one will ever know.
Speaker 2: We're dealing with forensics. Two thousand years ago. A fire starts.
Speaker 2: The city is not only made of wood, but the
Speaker 2: streets are extremely narrow, so fire jumps across the street.
Speaker 2: What you need to know is entire districts of Rome burnt.
Speaker 2: Now here's where we have to do a little history
Speaker 2: that might burst your bubble a little bit. On Nero.
Speaker 2: Don't worry if you hate him and think he's the Antichrist,
Speaker 2: you'll go right back to hating him in a minute.
Speaker 2: And he really earned a lot of that title. But
Speaker 2: Nero did not play the fiddle while Rome burns. In fact,
Speaker 2: Nero couldn't play the fiddle. In fact, Nero wasn't even
Speaker 2: in Rome during the fire. Yeah, he was outside of
Speaker 2: the city. It wasn't. That was a myth, that was.
Speaker 2: It was propaganda that came after the fact to make
Speaker 2: Nero even more hated than he already was. I'm not
Speaker 2: absolving Nero of anything, but it didn't play the fiddle
Speaker 2: while Rome burnt. But Rome did burn, and not a
Speaker 2: house or two districts, plural burnt. That is devastation, complete
Speaker 2: societal devastation. It would have been palpable everywhere in the city.
Speaker 2: The whole place would have smelled like smoke. That it
Speaker 2: would have been a discussion of Look right now, Helene,
Speaker 2: Helene's going on people looking for relatives. I haven't seen
Speaker 2: my grandpa, I haven't heard from my son, so that
Speaker 2: it would have been exactly that, in a little bit
Speaker 2: of a different form in Rome, when that much of
Speaker 2: the city goes up. My sister was visiting that part.
Speaker 2: Has anyone heard from I haven't had a letter from
Speaker 2: my brother. It would have been a societal sadness and
Speaker 2: anger that would have been palpable. And when people get angry,
Speaker 2: when people have a tremendous loss, this is human nature.
Speaker 2: It's your nature, it's my nature. It's oftentimes when we
Speaker 2: have to fight against but it is our nature. We
Speaker 2: need something or someone to blame. We will blame something
Speaker 2: or someone. You see in modern days, you see the
Speaker 2: communists take advantage of this all the time. When there's
Speaker 2: a school shooting, We're sad. Oh my gosh, the kids.
Speaker 2: I'm sad. I'm so sad. This is horrible. I'm sad,
Speaker 2: I'm angry. And that's why the communist has learned to
Speaker 2: run to the TV cameras and say, look, it's the guns.
Speaker 2: Look at the gun, Republicans, it's guns. Republicans. Be mad.
Speaker 2: Here's where you focus your anger. Look at them. That's
Speaker 2: where your anger should go. It's a play on human nature.
Speaker 2: When we get sad, when we get angry. We want
Speaker 2: to blame someone or something here. You are, Nero. It
Speaker 2: wasn't your fault. You weren't in the city, you weren't
Speaker 2: playing the fiddle. But the Romans are already angry at
Speaker 2: you for your mother dying. Now districts have burnt under
Speaker 2: your watch. If you're Nero, you have a problem. How
Speaker 2: do you solve it? Next is the Jesse Kelly Show
Speaker 2: on a Wednesday, a hub day, doing a long history segment.
Speaker 2: I swear we are probably going to get back to politics.
Speaker 2: The history went a little bit longer than I wanted.
Speaker 2: You know what, I'm not sorry at all, not even
Speaker 2: a little bit. All right, let's try to finish up
Speaker 2: this story of Nero. Nero was already losing popularity. His
Speaker 2: mother died. Then Rome catches fire, Rome burns. He wasn't
Speaker 2: playing the fiddle, he wasn't even in Rome. But the
Speaker 2: people were angry, The people were sad. Who is responsible
Speaker 2: for this? Nero? He tries to capitalize on something, but
Speaker 2: he blows it. He gives the people a patsy, He
Speaker 2: gives them someone to blame. He blames the Christians. Remember
Speaker 2: we already described Roman society how Christians were They were
Speaker 2: really out casts at this time. It was thought of
Speaker 2: as a cult. Their beliefs. They think, they think their
Speaker 2: God is above the emperor. So they were already kind
Speaker 2: of second class citizens. People were more inclined to believe
Speaker 2: bad things about Christians in Jews in Roman society back then,
Speaker 2: because they had separated themselves. Nero smartly, this is one
Speaker 2: of the smart things he didn't even though was freaking
Speaker 2: evil and wrong. Nero smartly said, Uh, it's the Christians
Speaker 2: who set the fire. That weird call, always talking about
Speaker 2: this Jesus guy, That's who did it. That was no,
Speaker 2: we'll come back to the persecution in a moment. That
Speaker 2: was the smart side of it, the bad side of it,
Speaker 2: or the dumb side of It's this. He actually starts
Speaker 2: to do a good job rebuilding the city, and he
Speaker 2: rebuilds Rome in a pretty wonderful way. The parts he rebuilds.
Speaker 2: Remember the streets that were too narrow, He widens out
Speaker 2: the streets. He does, He does it right. He builds
Speaker 2: the districts back better. He builds back better. Hah it
Speaker 2: right though, He does it right, except he can't help himself.
Speaker 2: He does all this and then he builds for himself
Speaker 2: a massive palace and puts a huge statue of himself
Speaker 2: on top of the palace. You had the people's goodwill,
Speaker 2: you were getting it back, and you had to do
Speaker 2: something else for yourself. At the same time, people were
Speaker 2: happy to go along with the blaming of the Christians,
Speaker 2: but I don't know that they really truly understood what
Speaker 2: they were signing up for. They used to feed Christians
Speaker 2: to the wild animals. Nero used to throw these massive
Speaker 2: garden parties the senators and wives and high society types.
Speaker 2: He threw garden parties after this, and he had Christians
Speaker 2: burnt alive to light up the garden parties. Burning Christians
Speaker 2: served as lamps for the garden parties. Even if you're
Speaker 2: a Roman senator who hates Christians, maybe you think they're horrible,
Speaker 2: they're terrible. Maybe you even believe him and you blame
Speaker 2: them for the fire. Even if all those things are true,
Speaker 2: when you find yourself in a garden party trying to
Speaker 2: eat or dervs right next to a Christians who's burning
Speaker 2: alive and screaming, you tend to look around and ask
Speaker 2: yourself if you're on the right side of things. Nero,
Speaker 2: he takes it way too far. He starts to have
Speaker 2: political opponents who are raising their objections to him and
Speaker 2: his ways. He starts to have them arrested. He starts
Speaker 2: to have show trials, secret trials. Corruption comes right back
Speaker 2: as Nero goes on to execute his enemies. He puts
Speaker 2: them on trial. And now once you start doing that,
Speaker 2: plots begin to form to assassinate him. He then takes
Speaker 2: This was probably the final step that finished him off.
Speaker 2: He had a wife. She was pregnant again in Roman society,
Speaker 2: that's a sacred good thing. He kicks her to death,
Speaker 2: loses her in the baby. The dude is a psychopath
Speaker 2: and a demon and a monster. He not only kicks
Speaker 2: her to death to just give you some window into
Speaker 2: his mind. He has her stuffed embalmed like she's a deer,
Speaker 2: and he goes and visits her. He then has a boy. Uh,
Speaker 2: I don't know how I can describe this, but there
Speaker 2: are children listening. He has a boy. He misses his wife,
Speaker 2: so he finds a boy and has some surgery performed
Speaker 2: on the boy. Anyway, the boy had to pretend to
Speaker 2: be his wife for a while. Yeah, this guy's not
Speaker 2: doing well at all. He is now reviled at home,
Speaker 2: and so tell me if any of this sounds familiar.
Speaker 2: The people domestically hate his guts so badly for the
Speaker 2: things that he's done and the things he's done to them.
Speaker 2: He chooses to go on foreign trips, and he's beloved overseas.
Speaker 2: Of course, he goes overseas. He puts on games and
Speaker 2: banquets for them. He hands out money, tremendous amounts of
Speaker 2: money from the Roman treasury, money's stolen from the Roman citizen,
Speaker 2: and he lavishes it on foreign countries. And he's beloved overseas,
Speaker 2: except he's not minding the store back home. Eventually, a
Speaker 2: rebellion begins in the provinces. Rome had different provinces governor.
Speaker 2: One governor starts rebelling, another governor starts rebelling, and soon
Speaker 2: Nero begins to sniff way too many plots against him.
Speaker 2: He feels like his end might be near, but at
Speaker 2: least he has the Petorian Guard, right, It's tough to
Speaker 2: kill an emperor when the emperor is surrounded by men
Speaker 2: with shields and spears and armor, and when they're the
Speaker 2: only ones with that stuff, the emperor awfully safe. So
Speaker 2: picture this one of the great moments in history. When
Speaker 2: you picture it, you're an emperor, you're Nero. You're in
Speaker 2: a palace. No matter what you do, no matter where
Speaker 2: you go, there are people there to wait on you
Speaker 2: and protect you hand and foot. If you're a Nero
Speaker 2: and you get up in the middle of the night
Speaker 2: and you f to pe, there will be a slave
Speaker 2: and probably a servant, and probably a guard in the
Speaker 2: bathroom with you. Hey, you want some olives with that?
Speaker 2: That's the way your life is. Everywhere, there's security everywhere.
Speaker 2: There are slaves everywhere, there are servants. There are people
Speaker 2: surrounding you all times. After all, your thought of as
Speaker 2: a god made man. Nero wakes up. The palace is empty.
Speaker 2: This is a human being who's used to people around
Speaker 2: him all the time. Where are the servants? Where are
Speaker 2: the guards? He starts to call out to people. The
Speaker 2: entire palace is empty. There's no one there. Everyone left
Speaker 2: when he went to sleep. There's no one there but Nero.
Speaker 2: Nero begins to whine, that's what the rumors say. Wh
Speaker 2: beg cry. Where is everyone? Nero figures out, I'm going
Speaker 2: to die tonight. There's only one reason they would have
Speaker 2: emptied out the palace. It's because they're going to kill me.
Speaker 2: Nero hops on a horse I assume may have been
Speaker 2: a carriage, hops on something with four legs, and takes
Speaker 2: off ends up in a tiny villa. The Romans are
Speaker 2: now hunting him to finish him off. Nero fancied himself
Speaker 2: a musician, and so the rumor is that he said
Speaker 2: something along the lines of what an artist is about
Speaker 2: to die about himself, what an artist is about to die.
Speaker 2: Here's the Roman soldiers. They finally track him down. They
Speaker 2: start to close in on him. He looks at the
Speaker 2: slaves he brought with him, begs them, begs them to
Speaker 2: finish him off. None of them will do so they're
Speaker 2: all too afraid. As the soldiers are kicking down the door,
Speaker 2: Nero takes a dag stabs himself in the throat. The
Speaker 2: soldiers come in to see Nero bleeding to death, and
Speaker 2: he allegedly again allegedly you never know, looks at them
Speaker 2: and says, you're too late, and he bleeds out and
Speaker 2: dies on the ground. That is the story of Nero,
Speaker 2: and that is an excellent example of how badly power
Speaker 2: screws you up, how bad politics can truly get even
Speaker 2: in a civilized country. Remember, for hundreds and hundreds of
Speaker 2: years before this, the Romans had convinced themselves that they
Speaker 2: were above all those barbarians, with all their political violence
Speaker 2: and death and murder and all the intrigue. They were
Speaker 2: above all those things. And then as their leaders rotted
Speaker 2: above them, they saw what happens to a society when
Speaker 2: it rocks too much. Brow is a wonderful example for
Speaker 2: a lot of different reasons. You can use his mother,
Speaker 2: you can use Roman society. I just think it's an
Speaker 2: incredible story and one that probably should be known by
Speaker 2: a lot of people. And that is a little history
Speaker 2: for you. Now, let's do a little bit more politics
Speaker 2: and then we'll check out it here until tomorrow. Don't forget.
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Speaker 3: Hang on, this is the hit is the Jesse Kelly Show.
Speaker 3: Final segment of The Jesse Kelly Show on a Wednesday,
Speaker 3: on a hump day. I hope you have put a
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Speaker 2: Now. I want to do just a little bit of
Speaker 2: a rewind before we check out here and make fun
Speaker 2: of the second gentleman again. Do you remember you remember?
Speaker 2: I think it was last week when we were talking
Speaker 2: about Doug Mhoff And this is after it came out
Speaker 2: to Dug m Off slapped around. Well, remember when I
Speaker 2: said this, what a feminist, what a champion of women?
Speaker 2: Doug m Hoff, this is from Red State. Told former
Speaker 2: girlfriend he'd paid eighty thousand dollars in hush money to
Speaker 2: a nanny he impregnated, and he made her sign an NDA.
Speaker 2: He knocked up his kid's tutor, got a divorce for it,
Speaker 2: paid her eighty g's and made her sign an NDA
Speaker 2: to not tell anyone that kid's his. And that's why
Speaker 2: he spends a lot of time on the news talking
Speaker 2: about what a champion of women he is. Ladies, gentlemen,
Speaker 2: you anti communists who are listening, and even you dirty
Speaker 2: commis who hate listen all the time. Allow me to
Speaker 2: tell you one thing that is true about ninety nine
Speaker 2: point nine to nine percent of the time. If there
Speaker 2: is a male feminist who gets a little too loud
Speaker 2: about what a male feminist he is, that is a
Speaker 2: male feminist who's done some dark things to women in
Speaker 2: his past. That is true almost every time. Just like
Speaker 2: the Mark Cubans of the world who get a little
Speaker 2: too I love democrats have something dark in there for
Speaker 2: some reason. Same thing with male feminists. That's how that
Speaker 2: works exclusive. Kamala Harris' husband, Doug M. Hoff, faces explosive
Speaker 2: new allegations from his time at a top LA law firm. Now,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to go through all the specific allegations.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of stuff in here that honestly just
Speaker 2: sounds like dudes at work. There are accusations like, quote,
Speaker 2: he yelled expletives. That's part of it. Okay, there are
Speaker 2: you guys, a bunch of children. I hear that stuff
Speaker 2: all the time. Another allegation is he held a men
Speaker 2: only cocktail hour. But how else are you supposed to
Speaker 2: have a conversation? You have to have a male only Again,
Speaker 2: so a lot of these things are this. But he
Speaker 2: also revoked work perks from women who didn't flirt with him.
Speaker 2: He took only young attractive associates in a limousine to
Speaker 2: a ball. Apparently there's a lawsuit claiming discrimination, harassment, all
Speaker 2: kinds of things. Once again, a reminder to everyone, the
Speaker 2: second you hear a man in any setting talking like this,
Speaker 2: your red flags should be waving so fast you can't
Speaker 2: see anything.
Speaker 1: Being second gentleman changed your own view of perceived gender roles,
Speaker 1: of what it means to be a man. This is
Speaker 1: something I've thought about a lot and something I've spoken
Speaker 1: about a lot. There's too much of toxicity.
Speaker 2: It's masculine, too much toxicity, says the guy with his
Speaker 2: secretary on his lap in the back of a limousine
Speaker 2: on the way to an LA ball after male only
Speaker 2: cocktail out.
Speaker 1: Toxicity out there, and we've kind of confused what it
Speaker 1: means to be a man, what it means to be masculine.
Speaker 1: Where you've got this trope out there that you've got
Speaker 1: to be tough and angry and lash out to be strong.
Speaker 1: It's just the opposite.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: Strength is how you show your love.
Speaker 2: Ah, we know you don't have to lash out, Doug,
Speaker 2: just give her another back cave for people.
Speaker 1: Strength is how you are for people, and how you
Speaker 1: have their back, and how you stick up for other
Speaker 1: people and pushing up.
Speaker 2: You already told her once. Don't make me pull out
Speaker 2: a left.
Speaker 1: And tell her to washing out against bullies. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's what I believe it is. So every time I
Speaker 1: can speak against this toxicity. We're seeing it with our
Speaker 1: younger people. We're seeing it in our discourse and our
Speaker 1: politics and the media. You're seeing it as it relates
Speaker 1: to so many of the issues that we're pushing back on.
Speaker 2: Like I said, even if you are a feminist, which
Speaker 2: I don't know why you'd want to be that, but
Speaker 2: even if you are a feminist, as soon as you
Speaker 2: hear a man talking like that, there's a reason. And
Speaker 2: it's not because she loves women so much. I promise
Speaker 2: you that. And now here's a headline by go you know,
Speaker 2: you know the thing. Headlines we didn't get to. Dems
Speaker 2: claim public schools mostly run by Dems are racists. Well,
Speaker 2: this all comes back to what we talked about before.
Speaker 2: The communist he wants control of everything. He doesn't want
Speaker 2: control of most things. When he looks at the public
Speaker 2: school system, he sees a couple islands that are still unconquered.
Speaker 2: You look at the public school system and you're mortified
Speaker 2: by how much of it is under communists control. He's
Speaker 2: mortified that any of it has escaped his control. Just go,
Speaker 2: Floridians told to get moving as Hurricane Milton closes in.
Speaker 2: Obviously that is something happening as we speak, say a
Speaker 2: prayer for the people of Florida. If you were listening
Speaker 2: to the Santami, we are praying for you. We are
Speaker 2: rooting for you. You are going to be fine. Don't panic.
Speaker 2: Use your head all right. Report government sends electric chainsaws
Speaker 2: to Appalachian town without power. Look, I'm all on board
Speaker 2: with some modern technology, and I'm okay with some electric tools.
Speaker 2: I actually have a battery powered driver and a couple
Speaker 2: battery powered things at home. Battery powered chainsaw that just
Speaker 2: doesn't sound right at all. If I'm gonna cut my
Speaker 2: leg off, I want to do it with fuel. Major
Speaker 2: US water company hit by a cyber attack. I do
Speaker 2: the best I can to not think about all the parts,
Speaker 2: the critical parts of our society that are tied to
Speaker 2: the Internet and tied to computers, because there are some
Speaker 2: very dangerous hackers out there who can do some very
Speaker 2: dangerous things. Stolen Vienna sausages lead a Georgia nursing home
Speaker 2: resident being to being stabbed in the chest. Look you
Speaker 2: take my Vienna sausages, it's on pal. I will stab
Speaker 2: you in the chest. California faces waves of lawsuits over
Speaker 2: gender identity notification in schools. I love that we're being
Speaker 2: more litigious. What Chris voter registration group giving away Taylor
Speaker 2: Swift tickets is led by Eric Adams operative who was
Speaker 2: convicted of voter fraud. Just half of the Democrat efforts
Speaker 2: in this country are various ways they can just do
Speaker 2: things against the law in order to electioneer and win elections.
Speaker 2: They just it really is this all encompassing crime empire
Speaker 2: they have. It's amazing. Resistance has justified. Columbia students celebrate
Speaker 2: October seventh as pro Hamas demonstration turns violent in New
Speaker 2: York City. No way Hamas violent. That's crazy.
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