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<v Speaker 1>This is a podcast from Woora.

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<v Speaker 2>Is the Jesse Kelly Show. Another hour another hour of

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<v Speaker 2>the Jesse Kelly Show on a Wednesday, a hopday. And

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<v Speaker 2>so let's dig into this. Well, we're gonna finish up

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<v Speaker 2>our story of Nero this hour. We're gonna make fun

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<v Speaker 2>of Doug m Hoff. We're gonna do some emails. Remember,

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<v Speaker 2>you can email the show Jesse at Jesse kellyshow dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll make a little fun of Dome, make fun of

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<v Speaker 2>Brandon Johnson. Check out here until tomorrow. Sound good. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>let's get back to our story. If you missed any

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<v Speaker 2>automatically and go listen to the rest of it at

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<v Speaker 2>your leisure. I'm not covering the entire backstory now. All

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<v Speaker 2>you need to know in case you're just now joining us,

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<v Speaker 2>is the young boy king Nero has just taken and

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<v Speaker 2>over his emperor. His conniving, intelligent, possibly evil mother Agrippina

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<v Speaker 2>is the one largely responsible for getting him the throne.

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<v Speaker 2>Nero takes over and he is a popular man very popular.

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<v Speaker 2>He's cutting taxes, he's giving slaves rights, he's eliminating capital punishments,

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<v Speaker 2>he's returning power to the Senate, he's attacking corruption. He

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<v Speaker 2>is a populist by any sense of the word. At first,

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<v Speaker 2>at least and then remember how young Nero is. Then

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<v Speaker 2>Nero begins to change. And I don't know why. There

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<v Speaker 2>are books written about why what happened? Was he drugged?

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<v Speaker 2>Did he have a medical episode? Was this just a

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<v Speaker 2>growing up thing? Remember you take power when you're sixteen

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<v Speaker 2>at the age of sixteen. Think about what you were

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<v Speaker 2>like when you were sixteen. Think about how dumb you were.

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<v Speaker 2>Think about how dumb. It might not be the right

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<v Speaker 2>way to put it, but think about everything you didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know at sixteen. Imagine being the most powerful person on

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<v Speaker 2>the planet at the age of sixteen, essentially worshiped as

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<v Speaker 2>a god. Maybe it was just the power that wrecked him.

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<v Speaker 2>But Nero begins to chafe. He begins to chafe against

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<v Speaker 2>his mother. Nero starts to really like girls. Sixteen year

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<v Speaker 2>old boy, sixteen year old, sixteen year old boy and

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<v Speaker 2>the most powerful person on earth. Do you think maybe

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<v Speaker 2>he got some female attention? But as teenage boys tend

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<v Speaker 2>to do, and teenage girls didn't always go for the

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<v Speaker 2>girls his mother wanted him to go for. Nero is

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<v Speaker 2>chasing down slave girls. That is not something that was

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<v Speaker 2>done in Roman society. Was a bit of an odd duck. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll come back to that. But Nero's mother begins to

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<v Speaker 2>voice her disapproval of his choices in life, and Nero, apparently,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, eventually young boys, they don't. They don't cling

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<v Speaker 2>to mommy like they used to, instead of bowing to

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<v Speaker 2>her wishes like he always had before, starts to push

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<v Speaker 2>her out, starts to phase her out. Remember I mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>the coins where her face was printed on the same

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<v Speaker 2>side as his face. Yeah, there were new coins minted.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't like that anymore. Agrippina is no longer allowed

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<v Speaker 2>to live in the palace Nero has built. Agrippina. His

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<v Speaker 2>mother has sent to a different palace. No, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>mom no, I still love you, just don't want you

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<v Speaker 2>to live just if you could, if you wouldn't mind

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<v Speaker 2>moving out. I got a slave girl I'm into. Agrippina

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<v Speaker 2>gets moved out. Remember the influences in Nero's life that

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<v Speaker 2>were keeping him grounded. They're giving a lot of credit

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<v Speaker 2>for his popular the reforms influences like Seneca, the popular philosopher,

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<v Speaker 2>the Oprah in the day Seneca pushed out, Hey, Seneca,

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<v Speaker 2>thanks for that advice. Anyway, got a date with a

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<v Speaker 2>slave girl tonight. Not gonna be not gonna be making

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<v Speaker 2>my philosopher appointment. Thanks too bad. So sad. The people

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<v Speaker 2>who guided Nero are being pushed out by Nero. And

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<v Speaker 2>when you're the freaking Roman emperor, you can push out

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<v Speaker 2>whoever you intend to push out. But you do have

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<v Speaker 2>these norms. There's a there is a culture in Rome,

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<v Speaker 2>and while the Romans would accept a lot of things,

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<v Speaker 2>they shouldn't accept a lot of things you shouldn't accept.

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<v Speaker 2>There is one thing that really really well, there are

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<v Speaker 2>many things, but there's something that really really graded on

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<v Speaker 2>the Romans. That was fratricide, the killing of a family member,

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<v Speaker 2>especially your mother. You see, women weren't allowed to really

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<v Speaker 2>hold official political power in Rome. But like virtually every

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<v Speaker 2>other society that sounds very patriarchal, the men ruled everything.

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<v Speaker 2>That was obviously not totally the case. Women operate in

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<v Speaker 2>a different way. They're more they would tend to maneuver

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<v Speaker 2>behind the scenes, manipulate things. That's the women wield power

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<v Speaker 2>differently than men wield power. Okay, so women were not,

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<v Speaker 2>contrary to what your history book tells you, useless, worthless,

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<v Speaker 2>second class citizens who were put upon in Rome. They

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have the rights men had. I'm not saying they did.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to sit here and pretend like they did.

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<v Speaker 2>But they weren't. These stupid slaves kept in a closet

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<v Speaker 2>until they were allowed let out to make dinner and

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<v Speaker 2>make babies. It was not that way at all. The

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<v Speaker 2>Romans revered their mothers. You don't harm your mother. Nero

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<v Speaker 2>apparently Chafing was putting it nice. Decided he wanted his

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<v Speaker 2>mother dead, but he didn't want to just murderer. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>he could just show up at her house with his

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<v Speaker 2>praetorian guard stabber to death. He could do that, but

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<v Speaker 2>that would look really bad. The Romans would look poorly

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<v Speaker 2>on that. And even an emperor, it's not just a

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<v Speaker 2>president or a senator. Even an emperor has to worry

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<v Speaker 2>about public opinion. If the public turns against you, you

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<v Speaker 2>probably won't be there long. So what do you do

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<v Speaker 2>if you're Nero? Well, again, they could make a movie

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how this hasn't been made into a

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<v Speaker 2>series on HBO or something. Nero decides he's going to

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<v Speaker 2>have his mother drown. If you will, how were you

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<v Speaker 2>going to pull something like that off? He has engineers

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<v Speaker 2>build for him a sizeable boat, a boat that is

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<v Speaker 2>designed to fail and sink once it gets out onto

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<v Speaker 2>the water. This true story. Nero has a little banquet,

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<v Speaker 2>Mom is invited one night. Mom, after dark, decides she

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<v Speaker 2>wants to go home, back to her separate place, and

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<v Speaker 2>she has to cross the river, a very very large river.

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<v Speaker 2>This is not a creek. So Mom hops in this

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<v Speaker 2>wonderful new boat her son purchased for what a good boy.

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<v Speaker 2>And on this boat where a bunch of people men

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<v Speaker 2>Nero had bought off to ensure his mother never made

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<v Speaker 2>it to the shore. See what I did there, Chris,

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<v Speaker 2>to ensure that his mother never made the shore alive.

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<v Speaker 2>The boat begins to sail across the water. The boat

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<v Speaker 2>does exactly as what it was designed to do, and

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<v Speaker 2>the boat begins to sink beneath the waves. Agrippina, has

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<v Speaker 2>she struck you so far as a moron? This is

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<v Speaker 2>a very cunning woman. Agrippina very quickly figures out in

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<v Speaker 2>the middle of the night, in the middle of the river,

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<v Speaker 2>the boat is sinking. This is on purpose. My son's

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<v Speaker 2>trying to kill me. So Agrippina does the most Agrippina

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<v Speaker 2>thing ever. She puts her clothes onto her personal attendant,

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<v Speaker 2>her personal maid. I've heard the woman described as a slave.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what she was, but she was someone

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<v Speaker 2>there for Agrippina. Agrippina gives her her clothes and says, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>guards and say you're me. The maid starts saying help me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Agrippina, I'm drowning. Help me. Agrippina slips over the

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<v Speaker 2>side of the boat and begins to swim. As her

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<v Speaker 2>the boat come down and beat her to death. They

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<v Speaker 2>think they've killed Agrippina, but they have not killed Agrippina.

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<v Speaker 2>The boat goes under the water. Agrippina is very much alive.

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<v Speaker 2>She is rescued by it. That's the true story. She's

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<v Speaker 2>rescued by a fishing vessel. She gets over to the shore.

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<v Speaker 2>She gets home. I made it, but Nero's not gonna

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<v Speaker 2>let that go. Remember what I just described about Roman

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<v Speaker 2>mothers and women in society. Nero says, well, the boat

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<v Speaker 2>thing didn't work, let's just go with the sword thing. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of men with clubs and swords and spears

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<v Speaker 2>show up at her home. After she lives, they beat

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<v Speaker 2>her to death. Allegedly. You never know how much of

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<v Speaker 2>this is Roman soap opera stuff and how much of

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<v Speaker 2>it is real. Allegedly, she told her attackers. As they

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<v Speaker 2>were about to land their killing blows, she pointed to

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<v Speaker 2>her womb and said, here, stabbed me. Here where the

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<v Speaker 2>monster grew. Talking about Nero, she was well aware of

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<v Speaker 2>why she was being beaten to death in the middle

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<v Speaker 2>of the night in her home. Well, now Agrippina is

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<v Speaker 2>gone now, as evil as she may have been, really,

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<v Speaker 2>anybody holding Nero down to any sense of reality, now

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<v Speaker 2>these people have been run out of his life by Nero.

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<v Speaker 2>I might want to point that out. And now the

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<v Speaker 2>terrible stories about Nero, you've heard, many of them false,

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<v Speaker 2>but many of them try true. Now those stories are

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<v Speaker 2>going to play out. If you will, we will try

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<v Speaker 2>to wrap up our Nero story and get back to

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<v Speaker 2>Bit is the Jesse Kelly Show on a Wednesday absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>a long history episode today, I just felt like it.

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<v Speaker 2>and then take a break from all this political stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're talking Nero. If you want to email the show,

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<v Speaker 2>and do a little bit more politics before we wrap

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<v Speaker 2>things up here. Nero's mother dies, tries to have her drowned.

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<v Speaker 2>She manages to survive because she's a wily one. She

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<v Speaker 2>ends up getting beaten and stabbed to death by Nero's people. Nero,

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<v Speaker 2>really it's got to be the power going to his head. Nero,

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<v Speaker 2>understanding this wouldn't look good to the public, tried to

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<v Speaker 2>call it a suicide. But look, we think ancient times,

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<v Speaker 2>we think they were less informed than they actually were.

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<v Speaker 2>How long do you think until the word got out

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<v Speaker 2>of what actually happened. People figured out what happened to

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<v Speaker 2>Nero's mom. So remember that popularity Nero has or had,

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<v Speaker 2>it tends to disappear very very quickly in Roman society

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<v Speaker 2>when they find out you had your mother beaten to death.

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<v Speaker 2>Now that brings us to the Great Fire of Rome

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<v Speaker 2>of the people there. Think about this. We were used

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<v Speaker 2>marble house. Maybe I want marble everywhere. Well there's no

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<v Speaker 2>around you. Rome, like virtually every other ancient city was

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<v Speaker 2>things like that in the Romans did that stuff very well.

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<v Speaker 2>But for the most part it's a wooden city. When

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<v Speaker 2>we picture ancient Rome, we all myself included picture white marble,

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<v Speaker 2>don't we Everything was marble. It was probably all glistening

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<v Speaker 2>later Rome, and even then even in later Rome that

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<v Speaker 2>was only special parts of Rome. Rome was wood. If

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<v Speaker 2>you got transported back in time, if I got transported

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<v Speaker 2>the year Jesus was born, you'd probably be kind of

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<v Speaker 2>disappointed with how ugly Rome was. I would, we we would.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to tell you right now, I want to

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<v Speaker 2>picture this glistening white city. It would not look like that.

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<v Speaker 2>It would be smelly, it would be dirty, it would

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<v Speaker 2>be wooden. No one knows how the fire started. The

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<v Speaker 2>truth is no one knows, and no one will ever know.

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<v Speaker 2>We're dealing with forensics. Two thousand years ago. A fire starts.

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<v Speaker 2>The city is not only made of wood, but the

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<v Speaker 2>streets are extremely narrow, so fire jumps across the street.

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<v Speaker 2>What you need to know is entire districts of Rome burnt.

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<v Speaker 2>Now here's where we have to do a little history

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<v Speaker 2>that might burst your bubble a little bit. On Nero.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't worry if you hate him and think he's the Antichrist,

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<v Speaker 2>you'll go right back to hating him in a minute.

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<v Speaker 2>And he really earned a lot of that title. But

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<v Speaker 2>Nero did not play the fiddle while Rome burns. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>Nero couldn't play the fiddle. In fact, Nero wasn't even

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<v Speaker 2>in Rome during the fire. Yeah, he was outside of

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<v Speaker 2>the city. It wasn't. That was a myth, that was.

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<v Speaker 2>It was propaganda that came after the fact to make

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<v Speaker 2>Nero even more hated than he already was. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>absolving Nero of anything, but it didn't play the fiddle

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<v Speaker 2>while Rome burnt. But Rome did burn, and not a

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<v Speaker 2>house or two districts, plural burnt. That is devastation, complete

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<v Speaker 2>societal devastation. It would have been palpable everywhere in the city.

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<v Speaker 2>The whole place would have smelled like smoke. That it

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<v Speaker 2>would have been a discussion of Look right now, Helene,

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<v Speaker 2>Helene's going on people looking for relatives. I haven't seen

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<v Speaker 2>my grandpa, I haven't heard from my son, so that

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<v Speaker 2>it would have been exactly that, in a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a different form in Rome, when that much of

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<v Speaker 2>the city goes up. My sister was visiting that part.

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<v Speaker 2>Has anyone heard from I haven't had a letter from

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<v Speaker 2>my brother. It would have been a societal sadness and

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<v Speaker 2>anger that would have been palpable. And when people get angry,

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<v Speaker 2>when people have a tremendous loss, this is human nature.

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<v Speaker 2>It's your nature, it's my nature. It's oftentimes when we

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<v Speaker 2>have to fight against but it is our nature. We

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<v Speaker 2>need something or someone to blame. We will blame something

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<v Speaker 2>or someone. You see in modern days, you see the

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<v Speaker 2>communists take advantage of this all the time. When there's

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<v Speaker 2>a school shooting, We're sad. Oh my gosh, the kids.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sad. I'm so sad. This is horrible. I'm sad,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm angry. And that's why the communist has learned to

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<v Speaker 2>run to the TV cameras and say, look, it's the guns.

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<v Speaker 2>Look at the gun, Republicans, it's guns. Republicans. Be mad.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's where you focus your anger. Look at them. That's

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<v Speaker 2>where your anger should go. It's a play on human nature.

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<v Speaker 2>When we get sad, when we get angry. We want

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<v Speaker 2>to blame someone or something here. You are, Nero. It

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't your fault. You weren't in the city, you weren't

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<v Speaker 2>playing the fiddle. But the Romans are already angry at

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<v Speaker 2>you for your mother dying. Now districts have burnt under

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<v Speaker 2>your watch. If you're Nero, you have a problem. How

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<v Speaker 2>do you solve it? Next is the Jesse Kelly Show

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<v Speaker 2>on a Wednesday, a hub day, doing a long history segment.

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<v Speaker 2>I swear we are probably going to get back to politics.

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<v Speaker 2>The history went a little bit longer than I wanted.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what, I'm not sorry at all, not even

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit. All right, let's try to finish up

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<v Speaker 2>this story of Nero. Nero was already losing popularity. His

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<v Speaker 2>mother died. Then Rome catches fire, Rome burns. He wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>playing the fiddle, he wasn't even in Rome. But the

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<v Speaker 2>people were angry, The people were sad. Who is responsible

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<v Speaker 2>for this? Nero? He tries to capitalize on something, but

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<v Speaker 2>he blows it. He gives the people a patsy, He

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<v Speaker 2>gives them someone to blame. He blames the Christians. Remember

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<v Speaker 2>we already described Roman society how Christians were They were

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<v Speaker 2>really out casts at this time. It was thought of

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<v Speaker 2>as a cult. Their beliefs. They think, they think their

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<v Speaker 2>God is above the emperor. So they were already kind

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<v Speaker 2>of second class citizens. People were more inclined to believe

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<v Speaker 2>bad things about Christians in Jews in Roman society back then,

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<v Speaker 2>because they had separated themselves. Nero smartly, this is one

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<v Speaker 2>of the smart things he didn't even though was freaking

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<v Speaker 2>evil and wrong. Nero smartly said, Uh, it's the Christians

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<v Speaker 2>who set the fire. That weird call, always talking about

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<v Speaker 2>this Jesus guy, That's who did it. That was no,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll come back to the persecution in a moment. That

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<v Speaker 2>was the smart side of it, the bad side of it,

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<v Speaker 2>or the dumb side of It's this. He actually starts

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<v Speaker 2>to do a good job rebuilding the city, and he

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<v Speaker 2>rebuilds Rome in a pretty wonderful way. The parts he rebuilds.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember the streets that were too narrow, He widens out

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<v Speaker 2>the streets. He does, He does it right. He builds

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<v Speaker 2>the districts back better. He builds back better. Hah it

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<v Speaker 2>right though, He does it right, except he can't help himself.

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<v Speaker 2>He does all this and then he builds for himself

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<v Speaker 2>a massive palace and puts a huge statue of himself

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<v Speaker 2>on top of the palace. You had the people's goodwill,

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<v Speaker 2>you were getting it back, and you had to do

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<v Speaker 2>something else for yourself. At the same time, people were

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<v Speaker 2>happy to go along with the blaming of the Christians,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't know that they really truly understood what

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<v Speaker 2>they were signing up for. They used to feed Christians

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<v Speaker 2>to the wild animals. Nero used to throw these massive

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<v Speaker 2>garden parties the senators and wives and high society types.

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<v Speaker 2>He threw garden parties after this, and he had Christians

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<v Speaker 2>burnt alive to light up the garden parties. Burning Christians

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<v Speaker 2>served as lamps for the garden parties. Even if you're

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<v Speaker 2>a Roman senator who hates Christians, maybe you think they're horrible,

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<v Speaker 2>they're terrible. Maybe you even believe him and you blame

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<v Speaker 2>them for the fire. Even if all those things are true,

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<v Speaker 2>when you find yourself in a garden party trying to

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<v Speaker 2>eat or dervs right next to a Christians who's burning

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<v Speaker 2>alive and screaming, you tend to look around and ask

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<v Speaker 2>yourself if you're on the right side of things. Nero,

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<v Speaker 2>he takes it way too far. He starts to have

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<v Speaker 2>political opponents who are raising their objections to him and

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<v Speaker 2>his ways. He starts to have them arrested. He starts

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<v Speaker 2>to have show trials, secret trials. Corruption comes right back

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<v Speaker 2>as Nero goes on to execute his enemies. He puts

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<v Speaker 2>them on trial. And now once you start doing that,

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<v Speaker 2>plots begin to form to assassinate him. He then takes

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<v Speaker 2>This was probably the final step that finished him off.

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<v Speaker 2>He had a wife. She was pregnant again in Roman society,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a sacred good thing. He kicks her to death,

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<v Speaker 2>loses her in the baby. The dude is a psychopath

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<v Speaker 2>and a demon and a monster. He not only kicks

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<v Speaker 2>her to death to just give you some window into

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<v Speaker 2>his mind. He has her stuffed embalmed like she's a deer,

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<v Speaker 2>and he goes and visits her. He then has a boy. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how I can describe this, but there

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<v Speaker 2>are children listening. He has a boy. He misses his wife,

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<v Speaker 2>so he finds a boy and has some surgery performed

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<v Speaker 2>on the boy. Anyway, the boy had to pretend to

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<v Speaker 2>be his wife for a while. Yeah, this guy's not

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<v Speaker 2>doing well at all. He is now reviled at home,

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<v Speaker 2>and so tell me if any of this sounds familiar.

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<v Speaker 2>The people domestically hate his guts so badly for the

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<v Speaker 2>things that he's done and the things he's done to them.

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<v Speaker 2>He chooses to go on foreign trips, and he's beloved overseas.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, he goes overseas. He puts on games and

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<v Speaker 2>banquets for them. He hands out money, tremendous amounts of

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<v Speaker 2>money from the Roman treasury, money's stolen from the Roman citizen,

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<v Speaker 2>and he lavishes it on foreign countries. And he's beloved overseas,

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<v Speaker 2>except he's not minding the store back home. Eventually, a

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<v Speaker 2>rebellion begins in the provinces. Rome had different provinces governor.

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<v Speaker 2>One governor starts rebelling, another governor starts rebelling, and soon

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<v Speaker 2>Nero begins to sniff way too many plots against him.

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<v Speaker 2>He feels like his end might be near, but at

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<v Speaker 2>least he has the Petorian Guard, right, It's tough to

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<v Speaker 2>kill an emperor when the emperor is surrounded by men

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<v Speaker 2>with shields and spears and armor, and when they're the

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<v Speaker 2>only ones with that stuff, the emperor awfully safe. So

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<v Speaker 2>picture this one of the great moments in history. When

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<v Speaker 2>you picture it, you're an emperor, you're Nero. You're in

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<v Speaker 2>and protect you hand and foot. If you're a Nero

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<v Speaker 2>and you f to pe, there will be a slave

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<v Speaker 2>and probably a servant, and probably a guard in the

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<v Speaker 2>bathroom with you. Hey, you want some olives with that?

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<v Speaker 2>That's the way your life is. Everywhere, there's security everywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>There are slaves everywhere, there are servants. There are people

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<v Speaker 2>surrounding you all times. After all, your thought of as

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<v Speaker 2>a god made man. Nero wakes up. The palace is empty.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a human being who's used to people around

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<v Speaker 2>him all the time. Where are the servants? Where are

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<v Speaker 2>the guards? He starts to call out to people. The

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<v Speaker 2>entire palace is empty. There's no one there. Everyone left

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<v Speaker 2>when he went to sleep. There's no one there but Nero.

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<v Speaker 2>Nero begins to whine, that's what the rumors say. Wh

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<v Speaker 2>beg cry. Where is everyone? Nero figures out, I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to die tonight. There's only one reason they would have

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<v Speaker 2>emptied out the palace. It's because they're going to kill me.

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<v Speaker 2>Nero hops on a horse I assume may have been

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<v Speaker 2>a carriage, hops on something with four legs, and takes

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<v Speaker 2>off ends up in a tiny villa. The Romans are

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<v Speaker 2>now hunting him to finish him off. Nero fancied himself

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<v Speaker 2>a musician, and so the rumor is that he said

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<v Speaker 2>something along the lines of what an artist is about

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<v Speaker 2>to die about himself, what an artist is about to die.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's the Roman soldiers. They finally track him down. They

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<v Speaker 2>start to close in on him. He looks at the

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<v Speaker 2>slaves he brought with him, begs them, begs them to

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<v Speaker 2>all too afraid. As the soldiers are kicking down the door,

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<v Speaker 2>Nero takes a dag stabs himself in the throat. The

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<v Speaker 2>soldiers come in to see Nero bleeding to death, and

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<v Speaker 2>he allegedly again allegedly you never know, looks at them

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<v Speaker 2>and says, you're too late, and he bleeds out and

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<v Speaker 2>dies on the ground. That is the story of Nero,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is an excellent example of how badly power

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<v Speaker 2>screws you up, how bad politics can truly get even

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<v Speaker 2>in a civilized country. Remember, for hundreds and hundreds of

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<v Speaker 2>years before this, the Romans had convinced themselves that they

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<v Speaker 2>were above all those barbarians, with all their political violence

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<v Speaker 2>and death and murder and all the intrigue. They were

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<v Speaker 2>above all those things. And then as their leaders rotted

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<v Speaker 2>above them, they saw what happens to a society when

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<v Speaker 2>it rocks too much. Brow is a wonderful example for

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of different reasons. You can use his mother,

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<v Speaker 2>you can use Roman society. I just think it's an

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<v Speaker 2>incredible story and one that probably should be known by

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people. And that is a little history

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<v Speaker 2>for you. Now, let's do a little bit more politics

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<v Speaker 2>and then we'll check out it here until tomorrow. Don't forget.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a chance we're gonna take actual phone calls tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe it's been a couple months since we've taken

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<v Speaker 2>a single call. We might end up doing that tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>Make sure of it all right, some politics, some emails,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we're checking out.

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<v Speaker 3>Hang on, this is the hit is the Jesse Kelly Show.

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<v Speaker 3>Final segment of The Jesse Kelly Show on a Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 3>on a hump day. I hope you have put a

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<v Speaker 3>smile on your face.

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<v Speaker 2>Now. I want to do just a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a rewind before we check out here and make fun

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<v Speaker 2>of the second gentleman again. Do you remember you remember?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was last week when we were talking

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<v Speaker 2>about Doug Mhoff And this is after it came out

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<v Speaker 2>to Dug m Off slapped around. Well, remember when I

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<v Speaker 2>said this, what a feminist, what a champion of women?

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<v Speaker 2>Doug m Hoff, this is from Red State. Told former

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<v Speaker 2>girlfriend he'd paid eighty thousand dollars in hush money to

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<v Speaker 2>a nanny he impregnated, and he made her sign an NDA.

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<v Speaker 2>He knocked up his kid's tutor, got a divorce for it,

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<v Speaker 2>paid her eighty g's and made her sign an NDA

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<v Speaker 2>to not tell anyone that kid's his. And that's why

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<v Speaker 2>he spends a lot of time on the news talking

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<v Speaker 2>about what a champion of women he is. Ladies, gentlemen,

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<v Speaker 2>you anti communists who are listening, and even you dirty

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<v Speaker 2>commis who hate listen all the time. Allow me to

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<v Speaker 2>tell you one thing that is true about ninety nine

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<v Speaker 2>point nine to nine percent of the time. If there

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<v Speaker 2>is a male feminist who gets a little too loud

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<v Speaker 2>about what a male feminist he is, that is a

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<v Speaker 2>male feminist who's done some dark things to women in

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<v Speaker 2>his past. That is true almost every time. Just like

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<v Speaker 2>the Mark Cubans of the world who get a little

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<v Speaker 2>too I love democrats have something dark in there for

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<v Speaker 2>some reason. Same thing with male feminists. That's how that

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<v Speaker 2>works exclusive. Kamala Harris' husband, Doug M. Hoff, faces explosive

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<v Speaker 2>new allegations from his time at a top LA law firm. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to go through all the specific allegations.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of stuff in here that honestly just

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<v Speaker 2>sounds like dudes at work. There are accusations like, quote,

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<v Speaker 2>he yelled expletives. That's part of it. Okay, there are

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<v Speaker 2>you guys, a bunch of children. I hear that stuff

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<v Speaker 2>all the time. Another allegation is he held a men

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<v Speaker 2>only cocktail hour. But how else are you supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>have a conversation? You have to have a male only Again,

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<v Speaker 2>so a lot of these things are this. But he

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<v Speaker 2>also revoked work perks from women who didn't flirt with him.

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<v Speaker 2>He took only young attractive associates in a limousine to

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<v Speaker 2>a ball. Apparently there's a lawsuit claiming discrimination, harassment, all

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<v Speaker 2>kinds of things. Once again, a reminder to everyone, the

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<v Speaker 2>second you hear a man in any setting talking like this,

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<v Speaker 2>your red flags should be waving so fast you can't

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<v Speaker 2>see anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Being second gentleman changed your own view of perceived gender roles,

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<v Speaker 1>of what it means to be a man. This is

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<v Speaker 1>something I've thought about a lot and something I've spoken

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<v Speaker 1>about a lot. There's too much of toxicity.

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<v Speaker 2>It's masculine, too much toxicity, says the guy with his

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<v Speaker 2>secretary on his lap in the back of a limousine

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<v Speaker 2>on the way to an LA ball after male only

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<v Speaker 2>cocktail out.

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<v Speaker 1>Toxicity out there, and we've kind of confused what it

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<v Speaker 1>means to be a man, what it means to be masculine.

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<v Speaker 1>Where you've got this trope out there that you've got

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<v Speaker 1>to be tough and angry and lash out to be strong.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just the opposite.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Strength is how you show your love.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, we know you don't have to lash out, Doug,

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<v Speaker 2>just give her another back cave for people.

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<v Speaker 1>Strength is how you are for people, and how you

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<v Speaker 1>have their back, and how you stick up for other

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<v Speaker 1>people and pushing up.

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<v Speaker 2>You already told her once. Don't make me pull out

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<v Speaker 2>a left.

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<v Speaker 1>And tell her to washing out against bullies. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I believe it is. So every time I

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<v Speaker 1>can speak against this toxicity. We're seeing it with our

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<v Speaker 1>younger people. We're seeing it in our discourse and our

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<v Speaker 1>politics and the media. You're seeing it as it relates

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<v Speaker 1>to so many of the issues that we're pushing back on.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I said, even if you are a feminist, which

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know why you'd want to be that, but

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<v Speaker 2>even if you are a feminist, as soon as you

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<v Speaker 2>hear a man talking like that, there's a reason. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's not because she loves women so much. I promise

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<v Speaker 2>you that. And now here's a headline by go you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you know the thing. Headlines we didn't get to. Dems

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<v Speaker 2>claim public schools mostly run by Dems are racists. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>this all comes back to what we talked about before.

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<v Speaker 2>The communist he wants control of everything. He doesn't want

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<v Speaker 2>control of most things. When he looks at the public

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<v Speaker 2>school system, he sees a couple islands that are still unconquered.

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<v Speaker 2>You look at the public school system and you're mortified

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<v Speaker 2>by how much of it is under communists control. He's

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<v Speaker 2>mortified that any of it has escaped his control. Just go,

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<v Speaker 2>Floridians told to get moving as Hurricane Milton closes in.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously that is something happening as we speak, say a

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<v Speaker 2>prayer for the people of Florida. If you were listening

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<v Speaker 2>to the Santami, we are praying for you. We are

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<v Speaker 2>rooting for you. You are going to be fine. Don't panic.

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<v Speaker 2>Use your head all right. Report government sends electric chainsaws

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<v Speaker 2>to Appalachian town without power. Look, I'm all on board

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<v Speaker 2>with some modern technology, and I'm okay with some electric tools.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually have a battery powered driver and a couple

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<v Speaker 2>battery powered things at home. Battery powered chainsaw that just

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't sound right at all. If I'm gonna cut my

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<v Speaker 2>leg off, I want to do it with fuel. Major

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<v Speaker 2>US water company hit by a cyber attack. I do

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<v Speaker 2>the best I can to not think about all the parts,

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<v Speaker 2>the critical parts of our society that are tied to

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<v Speaker 2>the Internet and tied to computers, because there are some

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<v Speaker 2>very dangerous hackers out there who can do some very

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<v Speaker 2>dangerous things. Stolen Vienna sausages lead a Georgia nursing home

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<v Speaker 2>resident being to being stabbed in the chest. Look you

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<v Speaker 2>take my Vienna sausages, it's on pal. I will stab

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<v Speaker 2>you in the chest. California faces waves of lawsuits over

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<v Speaker 2>gender identity notification in schools. I love that we're being

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<v Speaker 2>more litigious. What Chris voter registration group giving away Taylor

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<v Speaker 2>Swift tickets is led by Eric Adams operative who was

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<v Speaker 2>convicted of voter fraud. Just half of the Democrat efforts

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<v Speaker 2>in this country are various ways they can just do

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<v Speaker 2>things against the law in order to electioneer and win elections.

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<v Speaker 2>They just it really is this all encompassing crime empire

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<v Speaker 2>they have. It's amazing. Resistance has justified. Columbia students celebrate

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<v Speaker 2>October seventh as pro Hamas demonstration turns violent in New

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<v Speaker 2>York City. No way Hamas violent. That's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>This has been a podcast from wor