WEBVTT 1 00:00:07.519 --> 00:00:11.560 In a quiet Ontario town. In nineteen eighty four, nine 2 00:00:11.640 --> 00:00:16.039 year old Christine Jessup vanished, but her remains would soon 3 00:00:16.079 --> 00:00:19.839 be discovered. Her brutal murder shook the community to its core, 4 00:00:20.199 --> 00:00:23.440 and a man hunt for the killer began. What followed 5 00:00:24.039 --> 00:00:28.320 was a tale of wrongful conviction, flawed justice, and secrets 6 00:00:28.519 --> 00:00:32.439 that would take decades to uncover. This is the story 7 00:00:32.840 --> 00:00:36.640 of Christine Jessup and the man who was wrongfully accused 8 00:00:36.679 --> 00:00:37.439 of her murder. 9 00:00:38.119 --> 00:00:42.039 My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked. 10 00:00:41.719 --> 00:00:43.840 And Grim, a true crime podcast. 11 00:00:45.439 --> 00:00:52.920 Warning the following podcast and material intended more mature audience. 12 00:00:53.719 --> 00:01:16.040 Listener Discretion's advised, we're here. 13 00:01:16.159 --> 00:01:18.519 Where else would we be? I know, we could be 14 00:01:18.560 --> 00:01:21.319 in Mexico right now, or or we. 15 00:01:21.280 --> 00:01:22.959 Could be at the Taylor Swift concert. 16 00:01:23.120 --> 00:01:24.959 Oh no, Aris tour is over. 17 00:01:24.959 --> 00:01:29.040 It's over there, but I don't know if anyone else is. Are, Like, well, 18 00:01:29.400 --> 00:01:34.560 so she just played three concerts in BC, like Vancouver. Yeah, 19 00:01:34.599 --> 00:01:37.000 and so I just feel like my whole feed is 20 00:01:37.040 --> 00:01:39.439 like Taylor Swift. Taylor Swift. But it is like it 21 00:01:39.480 --> 00:01:41.000 was very exciting for a lot of people to go 22 00:01:41.040 --> 00:01:41.239 to that. 23 00:01:41.239 --> 00:01:43.079 I'm sure it was, But in all honesty, I can't 24 00:01:43.120 --> 00:01:45.799 believe we're talking about Taylor Swift on our show. All 25 00:01:45.840 --> 00:01:48.840 I've heard for the last week is fucking Taylor Swift. 26 00:01:48.920 --> 00:01:50.680 Oh man, Okay, let's change the subject. 27 00:01:50.760 --> 00:01:53.400 It even been playing Taylor Swift music and talking about 28 00:01:53.400 --> 00:01:56.840 it during Canucks games because yeah, happening at the same time. Different. 29 00:01:56.920 --> 00:01:59.239 Yeah, there was games like being played the same day 30 00:01:59.280 --> 00:02:02.159 as the concertain stuff, so yeah makes sense. 31 00:02:02.239 --> 00:02:05.040 Yeah, I'm glad she had a great tour. Glad everyone 32 00:02:05.040 --> 00:02:08.879 who attended had fun. But as a non swifty, I 33 00:02:09.159 --> 00:02:12.319 kind of want to move on a non Swift I'm 34 00:02:12.319 --> 00:02:13.120 a non swifty. 35 00:02:13.280 --> 00:02:14.840 Can you actually admit that? 36 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:16.159 Oh yeah, I can admit that. 37 00:02:16.159 --> 00:02:17.520 That's funny, don't be wrong. 38 00:02:17.520 --> 00:02:20.680 I have nothing against Taylor herself. Fantastic artist, fantastic she 39 00:02:20.719 --> 00:02:21.919 seems like an amazing person. 40 00:02:22.039 --> 00:02:22.360 She does. 41 00:02:22.479 --> 00:02:23.400 I'm just not a swifty. 42 00:02:23.719 --> 00:02:26.639 Yeah, I mean, that's fine there. I don't think there's 43 00:02:26.680 --> 00:02:28.560 any shortage of swifties out there, so. 44 00:02:28.879 --> 00:02:31.479 I don't think so. Because she made over two billion 45 00:02:31.599 --> 00:02:34.479 dollars gross in that eress too, I know she's wild. 46 00:02:34.639 --> 00:02:36.719 Wow. Well it was also over the span of a 47 00:02:37.120 --> 00:02:38.000 more than a year. 48 00:02:37.960 --> 00:02:42.000 So still Anyways, we digress. This isn't the Taylor Swift podcast. 49 00:02:42.520 --> 00:02:45.800 This is the Wicked and Grim, a true crime podcast. Yeah, 50 00:02:45.840 --> 00:02:47.960 and we're drinking coffee this morning because we need to 51 00:02:47.960 --> 00:02:48.919 wake the fuck up. 52 00:02:49.199 --> 00:02:50.599 Yes always. 53 00:02:50.919 --> 00:02:51.280 I don't know. 54 00:02:52.039 --> 00:02:54.599 Fine, well, I think I like I have it's part 55 00:02:54.639 --> 00:02:56.840 tea in here, So tea does have caffeine in it, 56 00:02:56.919 --> 00:02:58.639 but not as much as coffee. 57 00:02:58.719 --> 00:03:01.919 Yeah, I've just got coffee, just black coffee. And we 58 00:03:02.319 --> 00:03:04.319 just did a little pre show over on Patreon and 59 00:03:04.319 --> 00:03:06.599 we were talking about like how tired we have been recently. 60 00:03:06.639 --> 00:03:08.599 And I'm not sure if it's just like the holiday 61 00:03:08.680 --> 00:03:10.639 season or what. And I'm not sure if you guys 62 00:03:10.680 --> 00:03:13.240 are feeling it too, but we are just like drained 63 00:03:13.280 --> 00:03:16.919 of energy. Yeah, and it sucks. But caffeine does help. 64 00:03:17.240 --> 00:03:20.719 You know, Honestly, summer does. With summertime like does come 65 00:03:20.719 --> 00:03:21.360 more energy. 66 00:03:21.400 --> 00:03:22.960 I feel like, oh hell yeah. 67 00:03:22.800 --> 00:03:26.000 Right, it's like warm, you're not using your energy to. 68 00:03:25.960 --> 00:03:30.319 Stay warm, so it's warm. It's what you're saying warm. 69 00:03:30.319 --> 00:03:33.759 It's lighter out, it's it's more sunny, and it's happy. 70 00:03:33.800 --> 00:03:36.000 It's just got that all around good feel, right. 71 00:03:36.080 --> 00:03:39.039 It does like usually you're traveling a little more. Yeah. 72 00:03:39.280 --> 00:03:41.280 Yeah, but Christmas has a happy time too. 73 00:03:41.560 --> 00:03:45.159 It does, but it also can't touche I feel like, 74 00:03:45.319 --> 00:03:46.680 and people don't talk about that. 75 00:03:46.759 --> 00:03:49.240 To Schee. It's okay to not be happy during the holidays, 76 00:03:49.240 --> 00:03:52.599 it's okay to be alone, It's okay for all those things. Yeah, 77 00:03:52.639 --> 00:03:55.039 just if you need help, of course seek it right. 78 00:03:56.960 --> 00:03:59.080 So we do have a lot of patrons. We got 79 00:03:59.120 --> 00:04:01.080 to thank today who of course they're going to be 80 00:04:01.120 --> 00:04:03.120 hearing that little bit of a pre show we did 81 00:04:03.159 --> 00:04:05.919 over on Patreon, So thank you and shout out to 82 00:04:06.280 --> 00:04:15.719 Haley Bumpus, Sarah Lily, Barbara O'Brien, Sarah Griffin, Chloe, Anna Conterras, 83 00:04:16.319 --> 00:04:22.199 Christine Sales, Gabriella and Angie West. Thank you so much 84 00:04:22.199 --> 00:04:23.879 for signing up over on Patreon. 85 00:04:23.560 --> 00:04:26.199 Supporting us fantastic list. We've had a lot of people 86 00:04:26.240 --> 00:04:28.759 sign up lately like we have. Is just warm in 87 00:04:28.759 --> 00:04:29.160 my heart. 88 00:04:29.360 --> 00:04:32.079 We have and we've been a little bit shying away 89 00:04:32.079 --> 00:04:34.000 from Patreon the last couple of weeks too. We've been well, 90 00:04:34.000 --> 00:04:35.879 not shying away from it, we just have been a 91 00:04:35.920 --> 00:04:37.600 little on the inactive side. We got to get our 92 00:04:37.600 --> 00:04:39.879 butts back in gear. We've just been really busy lately, 93 00:04:39.920 --> 00:04:42.279 but we're we're gonna bring the hammer down here, especially 94 00:04:42.319 --> 00:04:45.519 around Christmas. But I got some ideas that's gonna be poppin'. 95 00:04:45.759 --> 00:04:46.480 We're gonna have a good time. 96 00:04:46.480 --> 00:04:49.680 I think we should do like a fun Christmas merch 97 00:04:50.000 --> 00:04:52.959 giveaway or something over on there. Okay, done, I think 98 00:04:52.959 --> 00:04:55.040 we should give away something for Christmas here in there. 99 00:04:55.120 --> 00:04:55.639 Let's do it. 100 00:04:55.879 --> 00:04:56.839 Yeah, let's do it. 101 00:04:56.959 --> 00:04:57.360 Let's do it. 102 00:04:57.399 --> 00:05:00.680 We have almost six hundred patrons now, which is pretty cool. Yeah, 103 00:05:00.720 --> 00:05:03.720 that is just like, oh, it's amazing. 104 00:05:03.600 --> 00:05:05.600 So thank you so much. Yeah, if you want to 105 00:05:05.639 --> 00:05:07.240 go join Patreon, you can go ahead and check out 106 00:05:07.240 --> 00:05:09.199 the link in the description of this podcast. You can 107 00:05:09.240 --> 00:05:11.680 find all of our stuff down there. You can find 108 00:05:11.680 --> 00:05:13.759 your way over to Patreon sign up. You can get 109 00:05:13.800 --> 00:05:16.279 all the good behind the scenes, the extra episodes that 110 00:05:16.319 --> 00:05:18.480 we do over there for exclusive Patreon content, and of 111 00:05:18.519 --> 00:05:20.360 course the giveaway that we're about to do that Nicole 112 00:05:20.519 --> 00:05:23.759 just decided right now, so I guess we're going to 113 00:05:23.800 --> 00:05:24.519 be doing a giveaway. 114 00:05:24.759 --> 00:05:26.600 I think we should. All right, let's do it. 115 00:05:26.680 --> 00:05:30.360 Okay, well, the giveaway Patreon. All that aside, we have 116 00:05:30.480 --> 00:05:32.759 quite the case today for you here today, and it 117 00:05:32.959 --> 00:05:36.720 is a two parter and it is a Canadian case. 118 00:05:36.920 --> 00:05:41.600 Oh man, ding dang okay, ding dang, ding dang. I 119 00:05:41.680 --> 00:05:42.920 like those Canadian cases. 120 00:05:43.000 --> 00:05:47.000 Yeah, this is one that, honestly, I mean, it's fairly 121 00:05:47.079 --> 00:05:50.240 big in Canada. But when I was doing my research, 122 00:05:50.279 --> 00:05:53.079 it's like this story hasn't really been told a whole lot, 123 00:05:53.120 --> 00:05:56.839 which is surprising to me. Oh yeah, So I'm really 124 00:05:56.839 --> 00:05:58.959 happy to actually talk about this one because of that. 125 00:05:59.000 --> 00:06:02.199 It's always good to give some publicity to the cases 126 00:06:02.199 --> 00:06:04.240 where you know, those victims need their story told a 127 00:06:04.240 --> 00:06:06.439 little bit more. So that's exactly what we're doing today. 128 00:06:06.680 --> 00:06:07.920 Okay, that's awesome. 129 00:06:08.519 --> 00:06:11.720 So this story takes us to Toronto, Ontario, which, of course, 130 00:06:11.759 --> 00:06:14.120 if you don't know, is a bustling city within Canada. 131 00:06:14.600 --> 00:06:17.720 The population is approximately two point eight million people, so 132 00:06:17.759 --> 00:06:20.639 it's quite a bit of people. But our focus shifts 133 00:06:20.800 --> 00:06:23.680 just beyond the city of Toronto into a quiet rural 134 00:06:23.720 --> 00:06:26.160 area that would soon be at the center of this 135 00:06:26.199 --> 00:06:30.000 whole tragedy. Okay, So it's like, you can say this 136 00:06:30.079 --> 00:06:32.879 happens in Toronto, but technically speaking, it's just a small 137 00:06:32.879 --> 00:06:34.199 town just outside of Toronto. 138 00:06:34.240 --> 00:06:34.680 Okay. 139 00:06:35.639 --> 00:06:39.279 So on December thirty first, nineteen eighty four, the Durham 140 00:06:39.399 --> 00:06:43.680 Regional Police were called to a property near Sunderland. Sorry, 141 00:06:43.680 --> 00:06:46.800 I almost said Sutherland. It's Sunderland, which is a small 142 00:06:47.079 --> 00:06:50.480 town roughly hour drive of northeast of Toronto. 143 00:06:50.800 --> 00:06:53.160 Did you say December thirty first, like New Year's Eve? 144 00:06:53.399 --> 00:06:53.800 Correct? 145 00:06:53.879 --> 00:06:54.399 Oh Man? 146 00:06:54.519 --> 00:06:57.759 Okay, yeah, so tis the season, right, I guess. 147 00:06:57.800 --> 00:06:57.879 So. 148 00:06:59.120 --> 00:07:01.600 Fred Patterson was a local resident in the area and 149 00:07:01.639 --> 00:07:04.600 he'd been outside searching for his dog with his two daughters. 150 00:07:05.319 --> 00:07:07.040 So they're on their large property. It's kind of a 151 00:07:07.079 --> 00:07:09.240 wooded property, right and you know, got some acreage to it. 152 00:07:09.639 --> 00:07:11.800 And while they're walking through the area, they came across 153 00:07:11.839 --> 00:07:14.680 what at first seemed like a pile of garbage. Now 154 00:07:14.759 --> 00:07:16.639 Fred was curious and he kind of approached it and 155 00:07:16.639 --> 00:07:19.879 you know, checking it out, and he soon realized that 156 00:07:19.959 --> 00:07:22.319 this was something far more grim than just a pile 157 00:07:22.360 --> 00:07:26.680 of rubbish. He found a badly decomposed body. 158 00:07:26.959 --> 00:07:28.720 Oh geez, okay. 159 00:07:29.560 --> 00:07:32.040 The remains belonged to a nine year old girl who 160 00:07:32.040 --> 00:07:33.199 had been brutally murdered. 161 00:07:33.399 --> 00:07:34.160 Oh Man. 162 00:07:34.360 --> 00:07:36.920 Her body showed multiple stab wounds to the chest, so 163 00:07:37.079 --> 00:07:40.040 severe that the knife had gone very deep and all 164 00:07:40.079 --> 00:07:43.519 the way through, piercing her spine. In fact, the official 165 00:07:43.560 --> 00:07:46.120 cause of death would later be determined as these devastating 166 00:07:46.120 --> 00:07:49.120 stab wounds. The girl was dressed in a beige turtle 167 00:07:49.160 --> 00:07:52.160 neck sweater, a blue pullover, and a blouse that was 168 00:07:52.199 --> 00:07:56.920 missing some buttons. Nearby her right foot lay her underwear. 169 00:07:57.560 --> 00:08:01.000 Oh no, in the grass. Not far from her body 170 00:08:01.399 --> 00:08:05.399 was something else, a small plastic recorder, you know, the 171 00:08:05.480 --> 00:08:08.000 kind of like in musical instrument, like the little flute 172 00:08:08.079 --> 00:08:11.399 that kids learned to play music like their elementary school 173 00:08:11.439 --> 00:08:14.199 days or whatever. And the recorder had a name written 174 00:08:14.199 --> 00:08:20.000 on it. Christine Jessop now Christine Marion Jessop was born 175 00:08:20.040 --> 00:08:23.160 on November twenty ninth, nineteen seventy four, in the small 176 00:08:23.160 --> 00:08:28.680 community of Queensville, Ontario, about sixty two kilometers from Toronto. 177 00:08:28.879 --> 00:08:31.959 Queensville was a tiny, quiet place with a population of 178 00:08:31.959 --> 00:08:35.039 only around seven hundred people. It had the essentials, you know, 179 00:08:35.080 --> 00:08:38.240 a general store, a cemetery, a church, a community center, 180 00:08:38.360 --> 00:08:41.279 some homes, and playground that served as the heart of 181 00:08:41.279 --> 00:08:45.200 the neighborhood for the local kids. Now Christine's family included 182 00:08:45.240 --> 00:08:48.600 her mom, Janet, and her dad Bob, and her older 183 00:08:48.639 --> 00:08:52.799 brother Kenny, who was five years older than her. Bob 184 00:08:52.840 --> 00:08:55.399 worked as a led Sorry a lead installer for a 185 00:08:55.440 --> 00:08:59.720 telecommunications company that wired phone systems for business businesses and 186 00:08:59.759 --> 00:09:03.000 the area, and through his job, he became friends with 187 00:09:03.399 --> 00:09:06.320 Calvin and Heather Hoover, a couple who had also worked 188 00:09:06.360 --> 00:09:09.440 at the same company. Calvin was an installer and Heather 189 00:09:09.559 --> 00:09:13.360 handled dispatch. The Hoovers lived about fifty kilometers away and 190 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:16.960 had four boys of their own. The two families grew 191 00:09:17.000 --> 00:09:21.039 close over time, spending weekends together whenever their schedules allowed it. 192 00:09:21.440 --> 00:09:24.399 They had barbecues, you know, tea parties and playdates that 193 00:09:24.440 --> 00:09:27.360 were you know, a regular part of their dynamic, and 194 00:09:27.440 --> 00:09:32.639 Christine adored Heather, affectionately calling her Anti Heather, while Janet 195 00:09:33.440 --> 00:09:37.000 jokingly referred to her friend Heather as goofy Newfie, which 196 00:09:37.039 --> 00:09:40.519 is a nod to her New Newfoundland roots. Right, So, 197 00:09:40.559 --> 00:09:44.120 if anyone who doesn't know, you know, Newfoundland people are 198 00:09:44.159 --> 00:09:46.840 often referred to as Newfees. It's a shorter term of saying, 199 00:09:46.919 --> 00:09:51.080 you know Newfoundland. So yeah, she's goofy Newfie. It was 200 00:09:51.080 --> 00:09:53.879 the kind of relationship that their family had, right, tight knit, 201 00:09:54.200 --> 00:09:57.399 you know, kind of friendly and just having fun together 202 00:09:57.639 --> 00:10:02.559 sort of thing. On October first, nineteen eighty four, Janet 203 00:10:02.639 --> 00:10:05.679 Jessup was visiting her friend Heather, So she's over at 204 00:10:05.679 --> 00:10:08.679 her house for tea. Now, at the time, Janet's husband, 205 00:10:08.679 --> 00:10:12.519 Bob was actually serving an eighteen month prison sentence. Oh 206 00:10:12.559 --> 00:10:17.320 shit for defrauding elderly family members. Oh yeah, No, the 207 00:10:17.639 --> 00:10:20.519 exact details. I didn't really dive too deep into or anything, 208 00:10:20.600 --> 00:10:23.399 but it's clear he was stealing some money, is what 209 00:10:23.440 --> 00:10:24.039 he was doing. 210 00:10:24.240 --> 00:10:24.679 Okay. 211 00:10:25.440 --> 00:10:27.879 So during their tea, Janet mentioned that she and her 212 00:10:27.919 --> 00:10:30.919 son Kenny were planning a trip over on October third 213 00:10:30.960 --> 00:10:33.320 to go and visit Bob in the detention center. So, 214 00:10:33.399 --> 00:10:35.679 I mean, even after his you know, conviction in jail time, 215 00:10:35.759 --> 00:10:38.679 these two families are still obviously very tight, right because 216 00:10:38.679 --> 00:10:41.080 they're going to go and visit him. So the trip 217 00:10:41.200 --> 00:10:43.799 was going to overlap slightly with the time that Christine 218 00:10:43.840 --> 00:10:46.440 was getting home from school, and Janet was worried about 219 00:10:46.519 --> 00:10:48.720 leaving her daughter alone for a little while. It would 220 00:10:48.720 --> 00:10:51.080 have only been about fifteen minutes that she'd be alone, 221 00:10:51.120 --> 00:10:53.080 but still, you know, she didn't want to do that, 222 00:10:54.320 --> 00:10:56.440 but it seemed like it was the only way. So 223 00:10:56.519 --> 00:10:58.840 from the time that Christine got off the bus at 224 00:10:58.840 --> 00:11:02.639 four pm until Janet and Kenny would come home. She estimated, yeah, 225 00:11:02.720 --> 00:11:05.600 four fifteen would be around when she would arrive at home. 226 00:11:06.399 --> 00:11:09.039 So that day came and on October third, nine year 227 00:11:09.039 --> 00:11:11.679 old Christine plans to meet her friend Leslie at the 228 00:11:11.679 --> 00:11:14.000 park at around four pm when she got off the bus, 229 00:11:14.519 --> 00:11:16.279 since she knew her mom and brother would be home 230 00:11:16.360 --> 00:11:19.080 right away. The park was just across the street, you know, 231 00:11:19.080 --> 00:11:21.720 from a local store as well, so Christine planned to 232 00:11:21.720 --> 00:11:24.799 stop home, grab some change for gum, head over to 233 00:11:24.840 --> 00:11:27.480 meet her friend, head over to the local store, grab some gum, 234 00:11:28.080 --> 00:11:32.279 and then come home shortly after. So that afternoon, Christine 235 00:11:32.279 --> 00:11:35.399 got off school, got onto the bus, and went home. 236 00:11:35.480 --> 00:11:39.360 Just as usual, Janet and Kenny arrived home from the 237 00:11:39.360 --> 00:11:42.320 detention center a little while later. Christine would have arrived 238 00:11:42.360 --> 00:11:45.279 home at about four o'clock on the bus, and these 239 00:11:45.320 --> 00:11:48.000 two got home at around four to ten pm, so 240 00:11:48.039 --> 00:11:50.200 a little earlier than she expected. So Christine was alone 241 00:11:50.200 --> 00:11:53.600 for about ten minutes and when she arrived home, Christine 242 00:11:53.919 --> 00:11:56.679 was nowhere to be seen, but it was fine. She 243 00:11:56.720 --> 00:11:59.720 knew she'd return soon from her gum buying venture with 244 00:11:59.759 --> 00:12:04.159 her right yeah. So however, by five o'clock, Janet started 245 00:12:04.159 --> 00:12:08.440 to get worried when Christine still hadn't showed up at home. Now, 246 00:12:08.559 --> 00:12:11.759 Queensville is a small, quiet place with only a handful 247 00:12:11.799 --> 00:12:14.320 of spots that Christine was likely to go, the store, 248 00:12:14.399 --> 00:12:16.759 or the playground, or the cemetery behind their house, which 249 00:12:16.799 --> 00:12:20.120 was sometimes an area they liked to play it. And 250 00:12:20.240 --> 00:12:24.159 soon Janet noticed that Christine's bike was still at the house, 251 00:12:24.759 --> 00:12:27.720 and she also noticed that Christine's jacket was hung neatly 252 00:12:27.759 --> 00:12:30.000 on a hook inside the home. 253 00:12:30.639 --> 00:12:32.720 Oh shit, and both those things would be gone if 254 00:12:32.759 --> 00:12:34.480 she went to get gum most likely. 255 00:12:34.519 --> 00:12:39.399 Most likely for sure, especially considering this is October, right, okay, yep, 256 00:12:39.679 --> 00:12:42.879 so she's probably gonna need her jacket. Now. This is 257 00:12:43.759 --> 00:12:45.840 the jacket being hung on the hook is a particularly 258 00:12:45.960 --> 00:12:48.879 interesting one that struck a chord with Janet. See it 259 00:12:48.919 --> 00:12:50.639 was hung on a hook, yes, but it was not 260 00:12:50.759 --> 00:12:53.000 hung in a hook that was like it was normally done. 261 00:12:53.159 --> 00:12:54.639 It was hung in a hook that seemed to be 262 00:12:55.120 --> 00:12:57.919 higher than Christine would ever be able to even reach, 263 00:12:58.120 --> 00:13:02.480 or that she'd ever use. Oh shit, almost like someone 264 00:13:02.480 --> 00:13:05.919 else hung her jacket for She also realized that the 265 00:13:05.960 --> 00:13:08.840 mail in the newspaper, still in its plastic bag, had 266 00:13:08.840 --> 00:13:13.799 been brought inside, so someone was there clearly. Whether it 267 00:13:13.799 --> 00:13:16.759 was Christine or someone else, it's up for debate. But 268 00:13:16.840 --> 00:13:20.639 someone brought in the paper, the mail and Christine's jacket 269 00:13:20.679 --> 00:13:23.639 was hung up on a hook, arguably on a hook 270 00:13:23.679 --> 00:13:26.399 higher than normal by all accounts. It seemed as though 271 00:13:26.440 --> 00:13:29.080 Christine had made it home, but she was nowhere to 272 00:13:29.120 --> 00:13:33.759 be found. Christine, now, she was a sweet, spirited little girl. 273 00:13:34.320 --> 00:13:37.480 She was sensitive, but feisty, independent and full of energy. 274 00:13:37.600 --> 00:13:40.799 She loved baseball, her older brother Kenny, her dolls, and 275 00:13:40.840 --> 00:13:44.960 all the animals that surrounded herself with Her favorites included 276 00:13:44.960 --> 00:13:47.919 pet frogs, baby chicks, and most of all, her beloved 277 00:13:48.120 --> 00:13:53.159 beagle named Freckles. Christine was absolutely adorable and there was 278 00:13:53.159 --> 00:13:55.279 no way that she would have just run away. Janet 279 00:13:55.360 --> 00:13:57.639 knew this. She's like no, so she didn't go off 280 00:13:57.639 --> 00:14:00.480 on her own, and as the sun began to set evening, 281 00:14:00.559 --> 00:14:05.679 Janet's worry was growing more and more. Finally she called 282 00:14:05.679 --> 00:14:07.639 the York Regional Police for help. 283 00:14:08.559 --> 00:14:12.240 Oh shit, that's just like you're just watching the clock exactly, 284 00:14:12.320 --> 00:14:15.519 and your stomach is just sinking and sinking and sinking. 285 00:14:15.679 --> 00:14:18.320 Yeah, she was just hoping that at any moment Christine 286 00:14:18.360 --> 00:14:20.720 would come through that door should scold her daughter, and 287 00:14:20.759 --> 00:14:23.120 for not taking her jacket right and saying where were you? 288 00:14:23.159 --> 00:14:26.000 Should let me know, but she never walked through that door. 289 00:14:27.360 --> 00:14:31.360 Police immediately treated Christine's disappearance as an abduction. The problem 290 00:14:31.480 --> 00:14:35.360 was the York Regional Police had never handled an abduction 291 00:14:35.519 --> 00:14:39.720 case before, and mistakes were made right from the start. 292 00:14:39.960 --> 00:14:44.120 The scene that the jessup home quickly became chaotic. Police officers, neighbors, 293 00:14:44.120 --> 00:14:47.399 and friends and family came in and out, freely touching 294 00:14:47.440 --> 00:14:53.200 things and unintentionally compromising potential evidence. For instance, the newspaper 295 00:14:53.240 --> 00:14:57.120 Christine had brought inside, still in its plastic bag, was 296 00:14:57.159 --> 00:14:59.759 thrown away before anyone could test it her fingerprints what 297 00:15:00.240 --> 00:15:05.679 really Yeah, So, despite the early missteps, if you will, 298 00:15:06.080 --> 00:15:08.399 the police set up a command post at the local 299 00:15:08.399 --> 00:15:11.240 fire hall and managed to rally volunteers from the community 300 00:15:11.559 --> 00:15:15.320 for an extensive search. Bob, still serving his sentence at 301 00:15:15.320 --> 00:15:18.679 the Toronto Detention Center, was released on humanitary grounds so 302 00:15:18.720 --> 00:15:22.600 he could join the efforts to find his daughter. Investigators 303 00:15:22.600 --> 00:15:25.679 began operating at the assumption that most abductions aren't random 304 00:15:25.919 --> 00:15:29.879 and that the person responsible usually knows the victim. As 305 00:15:29.919 --> 00:15:32.000 a result, they asked the jess ups to provide a 306 00:15:32.039 --> 00:15:36.039 list of everyone who had access to their home without supervision. 307 00:15:36.480 --> 00:15:38.879 Okay, I just have to say that's kind of amazing 308 00:15:38.919 --> 00:15:41.559 that they let the data out, yeah, to help. Hey, 309 00:15:42.200 --> 00:15:45.720 because could you imagine being in that situation where like, 310 00:15:45.919 --> 00:15:49.120 I mean, he's serving time, but you're locked in, you 311 00:15:49.159 --> 00:15:51.720 can't do anything right, and your child's missing. 312 00:15:52.399 --> 00:15:54.559 I do think like, if he was a danger to 313 00:15:54.600 --> 00:15:56.759 the public, yeah, he probably wouldn't have been. Really, if 314 00:15:56.759 --> 00:15:58.919 he was like a murderer or something, Yeah, yeah, he 315 00:15:58.960 --> 00:16:01.039 probably stole a few thousand dollars or something like that, 316 00:16:01.080 --> 00:16:02.480 and it's like, hey, you got to serve your time 317 00:16:02.519 --> 00:16:05.200 and pay that back and a fine, and it's like 318 00:16:05.360 --> 00:16:07.039 your daughter's all of a sudden missing, and it's like 319 00:16:07.080 --> 00:16:09.919 her life is in danger. I mean that takes priority 320 00:16:09.919 --> 00:16:13.000 over a few thousand dollars. Yeah, Now, don't quote me 321 00:16:13.039 --> 00:16:14.799 on a few thousand dollars. I'm just giving that as 322 00:16:14.799 --> 00:16:17.759 an example. I don't know how much he stole, but yeah, 323 00:16:18.960 --> 00:16:22.759 So the list of suspects naturally included Calvin and Heather Hoover, 324 00:16:22.960 --> 00:16:25.360 the friends of the family, right right, And this is 325 00:16:25.399 --> 00:16:29.159 of course given their close relationship. So as the search continued, 326 00:16:29.200 --> 00:16:32.360 Heather came by to check on Janet. At the same time, 327 00:16:32.440 --> 00:16:36.720 police Sergeant Raymond Bunce questioned her about where she and 328 00:16:36.759 --> 00:16:40.000 Calvin had been around the time of Christine's disappearance. Heather 329 00:16:40.080 --> 00:16:41.960 said that she had been at work and Calvin was 330 00:16:42.000 --> 00:16:45.639 at home with the boys. However, their alibis were actually 331 00:16:45.720 --> 00:16:52.080 never verified and Calvin was never formally questioned. Time ticked by, 332 00:16:52.519 --> 00:16:55.279 and Christine's tenth birthday came and went on November twenty 333 00:16:55.360 --> 00:17:00.639 ninth without Christine. A month later, Christmas arrived, but still 334 00:17:00.639 --> 00:17:04.160 it wasn't anything joyful for the jess of family, no kidding. 335 00:17:04.960 --> 00:17:07.519 The absence of their sweet, lively, little girl cast a 336 00:17:07.519 --> 00:17:11.279 heavy shadow on this holiday season. And then shortly thereafter, 337 00:17:11.559 --> 00:17:16.839 on December thirty first, the unthinkable happened. Fred Patterson, while 338 00:17:16.880 --> 00:17:20.000 searching for his missing dog, as we already discussed, stumbled 339 00:17:20.039 --> 00:17:22.240 upon Christine's remains. 340 00:17:22.640 --> 00:17:26.359 And this wasn't even in the same little town, right, No, like, 341 00:17:26.440 --> 00:17:27.400 it was close but not. 342 00:17:27.759 --> 00:17:30.079 Yeah, so she had been missing for ninety days and 343 00:17:30.119 --> 00:17:33.160 her body was found fifty six kilometers east of her house. 344 00:17:33.640 --> 00:17:37.039 Okay, yeah, not super far, but far enough. 345 00:17:37.160 --> 00:17:39.079 Yeah, yeah, far enough. It's about a half an hour's 346 00:17:39.160 --> 00:17:42.519 drive worth and if you yeah, Canadians, No, we judge 347 00:17:42.519 --> 00:17:45.319 everything not by distance. It's how long to get there. 348 00:17:45.799 --> 00:17:49.599 That's how we judge time. Sorry, travel is how long 349 00:17:49.720 --> 00:17:50.839 is the drive? By time? 350 00:17:51.200 --> 00:17:51.880 That's funny. 351 00:17:53.079 --> 00:17:57.440 So, because this Sunderland fell under the jurisdiction of Durham 352 00:17:57.480 --> 00:18:00.759 Regional the Durham Regional Sorry, the case was handed off 353 00:18:00.799 --> 00:18:04.240 to the during Regional Police. So the York Regional Police 354 00:18:04.279 --> 00:18:07.440 passed along their investigation notes, but these officers in the 355 00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:13.519 Durham office dismissed them immediately, calling the work to amateurish use. 356 00:18:13.920 --> 00:18:16.400 Okay, I'm sure there would have been something helpful in. 357 00:18:16.359 --> 00:18:19.680 There, well potentially, I'm sure they went through it all, 358 00:18:19.759 --> 00:18:23.680 but it was Remember these police had never talked an 359 00:18:23.680 --> 00:18:26.480 abduction case before, and a lot of things at the 360 00:18:26.839 --> 00:18:30.880 beginning were mishandled and was probably not of any worth. 361 00:18:31.359 --> 00:18:34.559 But you think something they collected or did, you know, 362 00:18:34.599 --> 00:18:35.960 would have been helpful, but who knows. 363 00:18:36.079 --> 00:18:38.599 Well, I'm sure they took in the evidence and stuff 364 00:18:38.599 --> 00:18:40.440 as best they could, but for the most part the 365 00:18:40.519 --> 00:18:43.039 notes and stuff were just like it was too amateurish 366 00:18:43.079 --> 00:18:46.519 really for anything for them to do. So basically, it 367 00:18:46.519 --> 00:18:50.400 effectively meant that they've investigated. Investigations started over from scratch. 368 00:18:50.720 --> 00:18:52.640 Oh that is not good, it's. 369 00:18:52.519 --> 00:18:57.240 Not and this is ninety days later, Yes, exactly so. 370 00:18:57.279 --> 00:19:00.759 Inspector Robert Brown took charge of the case. One question 371 00:19:00.920 --> 00:19:03.839 haunted him, and it was why christine germains were found 372 00:19:03.880 --> 00:19:07.960 so far from her home fifty six kilometers. Brown assigned 373 00:19:08.079 --> 00:19:11.319 two detectives, Bernie Fitzpatrick and John Sheppard, to dig into 374 00:19:11.359 --> 00:19:16.200 the case and focus on identifying potential suspects. The investigators 375 00:19:16.200 --> 00:19:19.160 followed up on several leads, including a family friend, a 376 00:19:19.160 --> 00:19:23.880 neighborhood kid, and even Christine's own mother, Janet. They questioned relentlessly, 377 00:19:24.279 --> 00:19:30.359 and Janet was no exception to this relentless questioning. In fact, 378 00:19:30.359 --> 00:19:33.400 they asked the same thing of her many times, in 379 00:19:33.440 --> 00:19:35.799 many different ways, so much so that she began to 380 00:19:35.839 --> 00:19:39.160 doubt her own recollection. At first, she was sure, and 381 00:19:39.240 --> 00:19:41.680 I mean one hundred percent positive. She got home at 382 00:19:41.680 --> 00:19:44.680 four ten pm. She remembered very clearly looking at the 383 00:19:44.680 --> 00:19:47.079 clock and knowing that she had to call her husband's 384 00:19:48.160 --> 00:19:51.559 lawyer at five or sorry, four fifteen. Sorry did I 385 00:19:51.559 --> 00:19:53.079 say five to ten earlier? It's four ten. 386 00:19:53.160 --> 00:19:55.160 I don't know. I don't think so much she was. 387 00:19:55.079 --> 00:19:56.920 One hundred percent sure she got home at four ten, 388 00:19:57.400 --> 00:19:59.200 and she remembered looking to clock, knowing that she has 389 00:19:59.200 --> 00:20:01.480 to call her husbands Loawy at four fifteen because he's 390 00:20:01.720 --> 00:20:03.200 right at the time in jail. 391 00:20:03.279 --> 00:20:06.359 Right, Well, you would probably remember, like you, you would 392 00:20:06.359 --> 00:20:08.279 probably remember if you had something to do, you know, 393 00:20:08.799 --> 00:20:11.160 in five minutes, you would probably remember the time. 394 00:20:11.279 --> 00:20:13.680 Well, no, not five to fifty. Sorry, not four fifteen, 395 00:20:13.799 --> 00:20:15.000 four fifty. 396 00:20:15.480 --> 00:20:17.960 Okay, okay, but still and you're like, okay, I have 397 00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:19.440 this much time before I could do this. 398 00:20:19.640 --> 00:20:23.160 Yeah. And three days prior to this actual day when 399 00:20:23.240 --> 00:20:26.880 her daughter went missing, she was having tea with her friend, right, yes, saying, yeah, 400 00:20:26.880 --> 00:20:29.559 we're going up to the prison to visit Bob and 401 00:20:29.720 --> 00:20:32.640