Speaker 1: November twenty seven, twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: Allegedly according to that thing we call a calendar, this
Speaker 2: the o'celli effect.
Speaker 1: And you, the live listener, if you're.
Speaker 2: Hearing me, just around eight pm, almost exactly eight pm
Speaker 2: Eastern here in what we used to call America on
Speaker 2: that particular day, and it is a Wildnesday Wednesday. Now,
Speaker 2: I sort of had the idea to broadcast first on
Speaker 2: Tuesday Tuesday. But you know what, when I came home
Speaker 2: from Dallas Tuesday morning, I was awfully exhausted, and it
Speaker 2: did take all the way into Tuesday morning.
Speaker 1: To get back to it. And here I am home again.
Speaker 2: So you might hear from the weenie dogs in the background.
Speaker 2: So I figured instead of using up a lot of
Speaker 2: the Friday night call in shows time with the story
Speaker 2: of Lancer, I figured I would just well give you
Speaker 2: guys the story on an open broadcast and then you
Speaker 2: can ask some questions on Friday if you want. But
Speaker 2: this way we don't have to use up, you know,
Speaker 2: all of your time on Friday with my story. So
Speaker 2: we arrived there on a Thursday night, myself, Frankie missus.
Speaker 1: Oh, and it was it was a good deal.
Speaker 2: You know. We got there on Thursday night. I thought, damn,
Speaker 2: that was hard to be in a car all that time.
Speaker 2: Was awfully stiff. I noted that, and I said to myself, well,
Speaker 2: it's going to be all right now. We got there
Speaker 2: later then I wanted to, because the plan initially was
Speaker 2: for a bunch of us who were supposed to be
Speaker 2: working the conference to go to a restaurant all together,
Speaker 2: and that didn't happen because I arrived late, and I
Speaker 2: think the plans were simply canceled because there was a
Speaker 2: lot of prep work that was sort of undone at
Speaker 2: the zero hour, so the next day is when things
Speaker 2: were gonna start up. We found ourselves a seven to
Speaker 2: eleven and definitely was in a ghetto area and it
Speaker 2: was a little rough out there, but we found something
Speaker 2: to eat and got back to the very nice hotel
Speaker 2: room by the way, the Marriott Downtown in Dallas. Boy,
Speaker 2: I can't say enough nice stuff about that hotel. It
Speaker 2: was really cool. The place is designed for events. They
Speaker 2: have like a mall attached to it which has restaurants
Speaker 2: and all kinds of stuff, which I thought was great.
Speaker 2: When I got up on Friday morning and found a
Speaker 2: really cool donut shop which had good coffee and excellent donuts,
Speaker 2: freshmade donuts and stuff like that. And meanwhile, we weren't
Speaker 2: kicking off the conference on a Friday morning. It was
Speaker 2: gonna kick off around twelve thirty or so, maybe one o'clock,
Speaker 2: and it was going to begin with Mike Swanson. So
Speaker 2: I had to be there to you know, intro Mike
Speaker 2: for sure. But I got to go to the Grassy, No,
Speaker 2: and I got to go there, and it's at a
Speaker 2: synchronized time because it was the twenty second of November,
Speaker 2: so I could be there at exactly the.
Speaker 1: Time of day that the shooting occurred.
Speaker 2: Now, a lot of people didn't want to go down
Speaker 2: with me because they said Judy Baker is going to
Speaker 2: be there, and she was. She was on a stage
Speaker 2: and there were people singing up there, and they the
Speaker 2: combined group up there, which included Judy and some other people.
Speaker 2: I think Robert Grogan was up on the stage with
Speaker 2: her and some others who I don't know so well,
Speaker 2: who are you know, locally attached to this and that,
Speaker 2: and Judy Baker all on a stage moment of silence
Speaker 2: giving out American flag so he could go ahead and
Speaker 2: stick him in the memorial. All of that kind of
Speaker 2: stuff happening there.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: I walked over there with a copy of Walt Brown's book.
Speaker 1: I was hoping to hand it to Judy.
Speaker 2: Couldn't get to her because she was on the stage
Speaker 2: and all that, and then she was delayed on the stage.
Speaker 2: The moment of silence was actually interrupted by a bunch
Speaker 2: of q non people doing a protest of some kind.
Speaker 2: From what I understand, they decided to stop traffic in
Speaker 2: Dealey Plaza almost exactly at the moment of silence on
Speaker 2: Elm Street. They made a human chain and held hands
Speaker 2: across the road, and you know, cars got an option
Speaker 2: either run them over or stop. And looks like cars
Speaker 2: were stopping beeping at him. All this stuff and all
Speaker 2: of it going on precisely at the JFK moment of silence,
Speaker 2: which usually occurs right there at about the time he
Speaker 2: was shot on the twenty second on the knoll. And
Speaker 2: that's a tradition that was started along with I remember
Speaker 2: many years ago Penn Jones used to go ahead and
Speaker 2: do it, and then there were others who led that
Speaker 2: tradition down there. I do believe John Judge did it
Speaker 2: for a while. I had never been there for it before,
Speaker 2: so of course my only time at the JFK moment
Speaker 2: of silence on the grass, you know, on the twenty second,
Speaker 2: has to be disturbed by QA non. Thanks, thanks so much. Anyway,
Speaker 2: I couldn't get to Judy to hand her Walt's book.
Speaker 2: I figured that would be a free book that Walt
Speaker 2: and I could. You know, I'll pay for it, even
Speaker 2: even though Walton I have an agreement to sales books.
Speaker 2: I said to myself, I'll pay for that one if
Speaker 2: I can put it directly in her hands.
Speaker 1: But I couldn't get to her.
Speaker 2: She was too busy, and I certainly wasn't going to
Speaker 2: find out where the hell or conference was and have
Speaker 2: to run over there when I'm the MC of the
Speaker 2: Lancer conference.
Speaker 1: Telling you, I need a covert with me that's.
Speaker 2: Willing to work and go over there and deliver her
Speaker 2: a note from me or something like that, because even
Speaker 2: though I've been in a proximity now a couple of times,
Speaker 2: I can't get close enough to her for different circumstances
Speaker 2: to handle the book that calls her a liar in print. Anyways,
Speaker 2: gotta love it. So this is Friday, and this is
Speaker 2: the way it began, and I got back to the
Speaker 2: downtown Marriotte in time to intro mister Mike Swatson. And
Speaker 2: how is it that I got to the knoll? Jeez,
Speaker 2: let me think, how did I get to the knoll?
Speaker 2: Somehow I got to the Grassy Knoll?
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: I remember my friend Creative Accidents stopped by and he
Speaker 2: went with me to the knoll, this guy, and he
Speaker 2: also took a ton of pictures which I'll be able
Speaker 2: to share with you guys.
Speaker 1: At some point.
Speaker 2: And he was saying, Hey, you know what, I would
Speaker 2: love to go to the six floor.
Speaker 1: Museum with you. And I said, you know, dude, we're
Speaker 1: only going to be in there like fifteen minutes.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: The tour on the sixth floor Museum.
Speaker 2: Is a setup by which there is a mock up
Speaker 2: of the plaza underglass, and there's a glass box around
Speaker 2: the alleged sniper's you know nest and all of that,
Speaker 2: and then there's cameras that are supposed to be you know,
Speaker 2: pointed outside to show you the different views and all
Speaker 2: this kind of stuff. And there's a couple of little
Speaker 2: video screen presentations and a little audio presentation here or there,
Speaker 2: but actually mostly it's you looking around at things that
Speaker 2: are posted up on walls and boards, so you know,
Speaker 2: we can run through it in like fifteen minutes maybe,
Speaker 2: but it's kind of an expensive ticket to go running
Speaker 2: through there for fifteen minutes with me, what's the point,
Speaker 2: you know, up getting into a discussion with a guy there.
Speaker 2: I don't recognize him, but I have a funny feeling he.
Speaker 1: Might have recognized me.
Speaker 2: And the discussion was about my argument that I've always
Speaker 2: had regarding why didn't he take a shot at him
Speaker 2: on the other street, that he had a good view
Speaker 2: of him, you know, and all that good stuff. The
Speaker 2: other window would have been a better shot, and hey,
Speaker 2: here's another window with another better shot real close by.
Speaker 2: Why that particular window. The guy there argued with me
Speaker 2: that this was the best shot because Kennedy would be closest.
Speaker 2: So I'm thinking to myself, this must be a low
Speaker 2: nut believer that is having this argument with me. And oh,
Speaker 2: by the way, even though they do, you know, nod
Speaker 2: to conspiracy in the sixth floor museum, it's, you know,
Speaker 2: really all about this is the way us Well killed Kennedy.
Speaker 2: Kind of cool though, there's a couple of cool things
Speaker 2: in there some you know, cool cameras that are on display,
Speaker 2: interesting little you know, displays about the individuals who took images.
Speaker 2: Mary Mormon's photo a really cool blow up of that,
Speaker 2: you know, neat stuff that's in the sixth floor museum
Speaker 2: here and there, and it is an interesting thing visually,
Speaker 2: and like I said, there were many pictures taken. In fact,
Speaker 2: one very cool looking picture that might be the front
Speaker 2: of next year's T shirt. But I'll get to the
Speaker 2: T shirts and how all that went in a few moments.
Speaker 2: I had to get back though to the Marriott, and
Speaker 2: I did in time for Mike Swanson, who kicked off
Speaker 2: the entire you know conference, and I felt really good
Speaker 2: about it. Now I've seen it online. I hope they
Speaker 2: can fix the sound because my intro for Mike, and
Speaker 2: even my intro for the entire conference appears to have
Speaker 2: no audio on it. But they're gonna put up new
Speaker 2: videos where they're gonna split it into different presentations, and
Speaker 2: I'm assuming my intros will be kept at the beginning
Speaker 2: of each of the presentations as we go. But the
Speaker 2: time where I'm introducing Swanson introducing the conference, and I
Speaker 2: did it as quickly and you know, smoothly as possible,
Speaker 2: wells as possible for.
Speaker 1: Me anyway, and I did all that.
Speaker 2: There's no sound and even the beginning of Mike's presentation
Speaker 2: where he starts talking, there's no sound for a couple
Speaker 2: of minutes. So hopefully they'll be able to straighten that
Speaker 2: out when they're reposted in there.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Here's your all your videos for Friday, Saturday and Sunday
Speaker 2: one one one one one.
Speaker 1: Also, they did not show live.
Speaker 2: Online the the banquet, even though there was the awards
Speaker 2: ceremony at the banquet and all that, but that was
Speaker 2: on Saturday, and that's when a bunch of other things happen.
Speaker 2: But I'm getting ahead of myself. Mike Swatson starts it
Speaker 2: off and he does, you know, a great job. I
Speaker 2: go out, you know, to my table. I'm setting up things,
Speaker 2: and there was given two tables actually to set up,
Speaker 2: you know, Kelly Merch and the books I support, and
Speaker 2: I did all that. Swanson drop by to give me
Speaker 2: a couple other books to help out. We were hoping
Speaker 2: that people would be interested still in you know, getting
Speaker 2: these things. But I'll tell you it was a much
Speaker 2: smaller conference this year. Attendance had picked up you know,
Speaker 2: a little bit more than we thought it might have been.
Speaker 2: About a month ago, it was looking a little too thin.
Speaker 2: But it's still a good, good, you know, fairly decent attendance,
Speaker 2: but nowhere near as good as it was last year.
Speaker 2: It turns out that during election years, and this was
Speaker 2: discovered by looking back at the books, the records of JFK. Lancer,
Speaker 2: because they've been doing this twenty eight years now, looking
Speaker 2: back from the beginning to now, it seems interesting there
Speaker 2: is a pattern in the amount of revenue taking in
Speaker 2: and the six s rate of these conferences. And apparently
Speaker 2: even though we think that this, you know, every election
Speaker 2: that comes up is the most strange, is the most important,
Speaker 2: is the most bizarre, is the most.
Speaker 1: This that third thing right always.
Speaker 2: But what's interesting here is there's a pattern for twenty
Speaker 2: eight years, whenever the presidential selection happens, guess what, Lancer
Speaker 2: attendance goes down. Lancer's success goes down on the presidential
Speaker 2: selection years, so much so that it is being considered
Speaker 2: that in the future, maybe during presidential selection years, no
Speaker 2: in person conference for Lancer maybe to be virtual and
Speaker 2: all of it virtual.
Speaker 3: That year.
Speaker 2: Kappa, you know, the organization that was formed allegedly to
Speaker 2: bring a whole lot of people together and in place
Speaker 2: of the COPA organization, which for a very long time
Speaker 2: was fronted by John Judge. That organization canceled their in
Speaker 2: person conference because of a lack of attendance. I have
Speaker 2: no clue and no insight into Judy Baker's conference. And
Speaker 2: you know, the Dallas Historical whatever the hell group couldn't
Speaker 2: tell you what it is they did, didn't do, or
Speaker 2: you know, how successful or whatever they were. They will
Speaker 2: in all likelihood state that they were super successful even
Speaker 2: if they weren't.
Speaker 1: And you know, what can I say?
Speaker 2: Business is business, and sometimes the people that sell garbage
Speaker 2: do get the best traffic. I mean, after all, it's
Speaker 2: just the way.
Speaker 1: Of the world anymore.
Speaker 2: Quality is not necessarily always the big consideration. Anyway, So
Speaker 2: our conference is going on and Friday seemed to go
Speaker 2: pretty well. You know, missus Oh spent some time sitting
Speaker 2: at the table, was pretty tired though, because of the long,
Speaker 2: long drive. You know, we expected it to be a
Speaker 2: twelve hour drive. It was more like, I think fourteen
Speaker 2: or fifteen hours. And she did it straight and she
Speaker 2: was exhausted. I mean, what can you say, so was I,
Speaker 2: and rather easily. Later on that first night, I had
Speaker 2: already injured my back, but I had had that adventure
Speaker 2: over to Dealey Plaza early in the day, and the
Speaker 2: afternoon just seemed to fly right on by. And later
Speaker 2: on that night I do believe pizza was the thing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: pizza was brought in and it wasn't good pizza at all.
Speaker 2: Somebody order whoever decided to order the pizza got Dominoes
Speaker 2: and that was for the staff of Lancer, and oh,
Speaker 2: by the bye, even though I had missus Zoe and
Speaker 2: Frankie in O'Kelly shirts. Interesting thing, they also got themselves
Speaker 2: a Lancer staff badge, both of them, and they were
Speaker 2: there at the conference, you know, doing their thing. And
Speaker 2: even Frankie, sitting at the corner of my table, was
Speaker 2: trying to figure out how and what he could sell.
Speaker 2: And first day, effectively, I think I sold nothing. I
Speaker 2: gave a few people some things and not much. You know,
Speaker 2: I wasn't there to give away things this year, but
Speaker 2: I gave away a couple of things. And I think
Speaker 2: the first day we sold absolutely zero, and I was like, wow,
Speaker 2: I can't believe it, but we might not make any
Speaker 2: money this weekend. And the funny thing is we pulled
Speaker 2: in there with none of our own money left, pretty
Speaker 2: much outside of a little bit that we were able
Speaker 2: to get a seven eleven, a couple of things to
Speaker 2: eat at seven eleven. I got one of those prepackaged
Speaker 2: sandwiches Thursday night. I think Frankie we were able to
Speaker 2: get him some sort of little chicken pieces. And I
Speaker 2: forget what missus O got, but I think it was
Speaker 2: a sandwich or a wrap. And I mean that killed
Speaker 2: our money. That was the end of it. We're sitting
Speaker 2: there for lat broke and trying to figure out how
Speaker 2: we're going to even pick up our next pack of cigarettes.
Speaker 2: After that first day wines to an end, and I
Speaker 2: tried to see a few people afterwards, and I got
Speaker 2: to tell you, there wasn't that much hanging out on
Speaker 2: the Friday night. It just seemed to be okay, everybody,
Speaker 2: go back to your hotel rooms and have a good night. Now,
Speaker 2: there might have been little clicks Google groups that had
Speaker 2: gotten together, but I clearly wasn't part of any of them.
Speaker 2: So boom, boom boom they were gone, and there they went.
Speaker 2: So I don't know what to say about that I
Speaker 2: was really hoping for more activity outside of the conference.
Speaker 2: I was hoping for greater attendance in the conference. And
Speaker 2: I thought to myself, well, you know, it could be
Speaker 2: that some people arrived late. Some people didn't go on
Speaker 2: Friday at all. Maybe they just went for Saturday and Sunday.
Speaker 2: Maybe you know, some people that they had to work
Speaker 2: on a Friday said well, I'll go for the Saturday
Speaker 2: and Sunday sessions. I saw that before, and I had
Speaker 2: that experience in two thousand and three that you know,
Speaker 2: I went for one day to the WET conference. Others
Speaker 2: went for just the weekend days because they had to
Speaker 2: work on a Friday, And maybe they left on Friday
Speaker 2: evening and arrived in you know Pittsburgh on a Friday
Speaker 2: night with late late late or early Saturday morning really so.
Speaker 1: They could get up, get out and go to the conference.
Speaker 2: Anyhow, so now we have Saturday and yes, a lot
Speaker 2: of interesting things going on in interesting interactions. Jacob Hornberger
Speaker 2: was there giving away all of his books, which he
Speaker 2: just kept putting piles of books on his table and
Speaker 2: pretty much saying, you know, one per customer, please and
Speaker 2: have a book. So you had a free book from Jacob.
Speaker 2: I gave away a few free things. Chris Gallup showed
Speaker 2: up with his usual you know, gigantic used book pile
Speaker 2: in tow. Robert Grodin was there selling his one hundred
Speaker 2: dollars books and also his DVDs. And you know, the
Speaker 2: latest one would be that Absolute Proof, which I guess
Speaker 2: was put out about I don't know more than ten
Speaker 2: years ago, now right, it would be let's see what
Speaker 2: twenty four, Well, maybe it was like eleven years ago.
Speaker 2: I think he tried to release it for the fiftieth
Speaker 2: anniversary Absolute Proof. But also he had copies of the
Speaker 2: Search for Lee, Harvey Oswald and The Killing of a President,
Speaker 2: and he had the two DVDs.
Speaker 1: You know. Anyway, I'm there with.
Speaker 2: T shirts of the event, Walt Brown's book, Mike Swanson's books.
Speaker 2: You know, I had a couple of copies of some
Speaker 2: Joan mellenwork. I had, you know, books that are related
Speaker 2: to my show but also to JFK as much as
Speaker 2: much as I could.
Speaker 1: Anyhow, I had hoped for other stuff on my table,
Speaker 1: but it didn't quite didn't quite work that way.
Speaker 2: But I also had Walt Brown's Chronology, and I figured, well,
Speaker 2: I'll sell some of those. I got him fairly cheap. Actually,
Speaker 2: the single disc Chronology, which I really wish we had
Speaker 2: an ad for that on here, but I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: not going to make one unless you know, some sort
Speaker 2: of arrangement.
Speaker 1: Has made about it.
Speaker 2: But I absolutely support you guys reading that and getting
Speaker 2: into that because it's one of the best things possible.
Speaker 2: And I had a small stack of them. You know
Speaker 2: that I was offering up for thirty bucks, and thirty
Speaker 2: thousand pages for thirty bucks is really not bad. And
Speaker 2: I think if you had to buy it off Amazon,
Speaker 2: first of all, it would be in several parts. But secondly,
Speaker 2: if you got it off Amazon, it would also be like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, one hundred and twenty or one hundred
Speaker 2: and thirty dollars once you buy all of these separated
Speaker 2: book pieces of this master chronology from Walt Brown. Anyway,
Speaker 2: I had that, and of course I have the Judith
Speaker 2: Barry Baker in her Own Words book, and I had
Speaker 2: In Denial by Larry Hancock.
Speaker 1: You know, the stuff you hear about on my show
Speaker 1: during the breaks.
Speaker 2: If you ever, you know, forget to press forward and
Speaker 2: listen to the commercial pieces, you know, Mike Swanson's The
Speaker 2: War State and Why the Vietnam More so, I figured
Speaker 2: I'm pretty well hooked up here. I had some Ocelli
Speaker 2: tote bags. Figured, anything else you're gonna buy, you're gonna
Speaker 2: need a bag to carry it around. Why not get
Speaker 2: a good one. And those were ten bucks. I figured
Speaker 2: it wasn't a bad deal. Twenty dollars t shirt specially
Speaker 2: printed just for this year's Lancer conference, and even a
Speaker 2: couple of hoodies. Plus last minute, I found a few hats.
Speaker 2: There was only like two Ocelly hats, you know, regular
Speaker 2: baseball hats. But I also had some winter hats, a
Speaker 2: couple of winter beanies. And I had one of those
Speaker 2: bucket hats. And what else did I have? Age of
Speaker 2: Transitions hat? And an Uncle hat? Oh, and that's another thing,
Speaker 2: a section on my table for Uncle the podcast the
Speaker 2: Age of Transitions, because I had I had won two
Speaker 2: of Aaron's books, and I had t shirts from both shows.
Speaker 2: And I had a couple of baseball hats from last
Speaker 2: year Uncle and the Age of Transitions, a couple different
Speaker 2: versions of them. Took him out, put them out, thought
Speaker 2: we were doing well. Plus I was given out free
Speaker 2: bumper stickers and free pens to anybody who wanted them.
Speaker 2: So I thought, you know, few business cards, a few pens,
Speaker 2: a few this, a few that, and.
Speaker 1: It'll be a good weekend.
Speaker 2: Anyway, back to it, Saturday was definitely excellent, and we
Speaker 2: had the banquet where the food choice was no food choice.
Speaker 2: It was one thing. They called it Texas barbecue. And
Speaker 2: the weird thing is, even though one hundred tickets to
Speaker 2: the banquet were sold, it was not even close to
Speaker 2: one hundred people that attended it. It was very strange.
Speaker 2: Many more people had seemed to pay than attended. During
Speaker 2: the conference. During each day, there was less people in
Speaker 2: the room than should have been. But even during the banquet,
Speaker 2: which was a separate thing that they bought. And by
Speaker 2: the way, we even had to turn some people away
Speaker 2: because you know, we were only supposed to take capacity
Speaker 2: up to one hundred for the banquet.
Speaker 1: We turned people away last minute. And sadly, we should
Speaker 1: have come up with a you know, a.
Speaker 2: Second seating waiting list, because there were a bunch of
Speaker 2: people that paid for this thing and didn't show up
Speaker 2: at all. So, believe it or not, there was food
Speaker 2: left over at the end of the banquet.
Speaker 1: I have no idea. You know how that was.
Speaker 2: You know what the disposition of that was eventually, but
Speaker 2: the banquet which closed out the night, ended up with
Speaker 2: a lot of this Texas barbecue.
Speaker 1: I gotta say I wasn't in love with the food,
Speaker 1: but you know, it was workable.
Speaker 2: I could, I could dig it. It was okay. I
Speaker 2: think Frankie enjoyed it. I think missus Oh thought it
Speaker 2: was all right, no big deal. Right, So during the banquet,
Speaker 2: what did we do? We had we had a raffle drawing,
Speaker 2: which was interesting, and of course I gave out, you know,
Speaker 2: a big just stuff. I stuffed a bunch of things
Speaker 2: into a tote bag and here you go, presence for you,
Speaker 2: you know, trying to hook people up.
Speaker 1: I always try to hook people up.
Speaker 2: I mean I think in that tote bag there was
Speaker 2: another tote bag. There was you know, a bunch of
Speaker 2: OCHELLI stuff, some books, I mean, just everything I can
Speaker 2: think of to stuff into this tote bag. And the
Speaker 2: guy looked at me and said, I got to fly
Speaker 2: back on a plane. I don't know if I can
Speaker 2: fit all this. I said, well, you know what, take
Speaker 2: your items and share them with other people.
Speaker 1: How about that? You can do that.
Speaker 2: It's okay, you won the prize, but anyway, that guy
Speaker 2: won that. And then they also gave out VIP tickets
Speaker 2: to next year's conference and a couple other things. During
Speaker 2: the drawing, some signed books of this and that, and okay, cool, great,
Speaker 2: And we did an in memoriam section which I'm gonna
Speaker 2: note a mistake that was made because we were not
Speaker 2: made aware.
Speaker 1: But doctor Donald Thomas.
Speaker 2: Who is the guy who wrote here no Evil, who
Speaker 2: had studied for many years the acoustic information, a guy
Speaker 2: whose work I appreciate quite a bit, passed away apparently last.
Speaker 1: Week, and we did not note his.
Speaker 2: Passing during this because I was not informed he had
Speaker 2: passed away. His daughter circulated that information through the AAARC. This,
Speaker 2: you know, like literally on the day that I hit
Speaker 2: the road, and I didn't check my email after that,
Speaker 2: so I missed the announcement. So David Lifton they insisted
Speaker 2: on including a notation that David Lifton should be sort of,
Speaker 2: you know, given a nod to doctor Cyril Weck. A
Speaker 2: guy named Chris Scali, which you know, I didn't really
Speaker 2: know that well at all, but was definitely somebody that
Speaker 2: Gail Nick Jackson would tell you was extremely important one
Speaker 2: way or another. And let's see who else was on
Speaker 2: that list. I hate I'm not trying to be rude
Speaker 2: at all, but I'm thinking, I'm thinking who else was
Speaker 2: on that list?
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but in Memoriam.
Speaker 2: Next year, I've already sent an email to Gabby to
Speaker 2: make sure that we get doctor Thomas on the in
Speaker 2: Memoriam section next year. And I was actually tasked with reading,
Speaker 2: or well not reading, but I was actually tasked with,
Speaker 2: you know, giving the nod and the respects to David Lifton.
Speaker 2: A bunch of people lined up to talk about Sarah wecked,
Speaker 2: but David Lifton was an unwanted, an unwanted figure, so
Speaker 2: I was given that one. Nobody that was that lancer
Speaker 2: apparently had ever really worked with him or anything, and
Speaker 2: therefore didn't feel personally attached now Sarah weacked Obviously, Robert
Speaker 2: Groden had felt an attachment to him because they were
Speaker 2: very friendly at one point. There were other researchers that
Speaker 2: had been friendly with Cyril over the years. And of
Speaker 2: course he has been with the Assassination Research and Information
Speaker 2: generally speaking publicly since the beginning.
Speaker 1: So you know, there he is.
Speaker 2: And even it was mentioned the time that they tried
Speaker 2: to take him down and went after him. They went
Speaker 2: after him, you know, when he was the county corner
Speaker 2: there in Pittsburgh, and they tried to They dragged him
Speaker 2: through the mud and took him through court cases and
Speaker 2: you know, I think just about bankrupted him financially, but
Speaker 2: trying to shut him up, trying to get him to
Speaker 2: get out of the limelight a little bit. Yeah, they
Speaker 2: went after him at a certain point, and that was
Speaker 2: brought up, and I think that was a necessary thing. Anyway,
Speaker 2: those things happened, and the awards, the Mary Farrell Awards happened,
Speaker 2: and that was an interesting group.
Speaker 1: This is the.
Speaker 2: First time that I was involved in the process of
Speaker 2: naming some of those people, and I feel really good
Speaker 2: about it, and I was happy to see, you know,
Speaker 2: for instance, Gail nick Jackson was given an award, Doug
Speaker 2: Campbell was given an award, Joe Morelli was noted and
Speaker 2: given an award, and you know, here we are there's
Speaker 2: there was a bunch of people that were given awards.
Speaker 2: Matt Daltitt also, you know, and it was really really
Speaker 2: really great to know about that process, to see how
Speaker 2: that was thought.
Speaker 1: Through and the people that were given these awards.
Speaker 2: Matt Doutitt, I really wish he had invited me to
Speaker 2: go on this little tour that he did though, because
Speaker 2: they he did a step by step little.
Speaker 1: Tour with people over you know, to the JD.
Speaker 2: Tippett murder site, and I think they did something else where.
Speaker 2: They toured, you know, part of Dallas, and I see
Speaker 2: it posted online that there was this great experience in Dallas,
Speaker 2: and I saw them get together in the hotel lobby,
Speaker 2: and people from that group spoke to me a little bit.
Speaker 2: I think when I was over maybe not getting breakfast,
Speaker 2: I might have went to go get coffee with somebody
Speaker 2: that morning because I wasn't gonna get breakfast in that
Speaker 2: in that hotel restaurant because it was outrageously priced.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I was actually kind of happy to see that the
Speaker 2: coffee was coffees were only six to eight dollars for
Speaker 2: regular coffee. But I mean food was, you know, high
Speaker 2: priced as it is in a tourist trap area in
Speaker 2: a nice hotel, you're gonna pay. I was over there
Speaker 2: getting some coffee, I think, and uh yeah, and a
Speaker 2: couple of those guys from that group kind of you know,
Speaker 2: spoke to me about this or that, but.
Speaker 1: Then they went away and didn't even invite me.
Speaker 2: Anyways, things happened. So Saturday night, what did I do?
Speaker 2: Let me think here all right, Saturday night, after all this,
Speaker 2: went out with Mike Swanson and uh Doug, you know,
Speaker 2: a Doug from the Dallas Action there. We went out
Speaker 2: to a to a restaurant. I went and got cigarettes first,
Speaker 2: had to have missus O drop me over at the restaurant.
Speaker 2: After those guys walked down to this funky taco place,
Speaker 2: had a taco called a Cowboy, and uh you know,
Speaker 2: had a nice little meal with them, and then went
Speaker 2: back to the hotel bar and sat down, and I
Speaker 2: had a couple of cokes at the bar because I
Speaker 2: just didn't really feel like drinking. Oh the night before
Speaker 2: though I had, I had been at the bar with
Speaker 2: David right Friday night, David Boilin and Mike Swanson. I
Speaker 2: know we were at the bar for a little bit,
Speaker 2: but then I forget who had to go home first
Speaker 2: and who had to do something else.
Speaker 1: I forget.
Speaker 2: You know, a lot of this was a blur, to
Speaker 2: be honest with you, And frankly, I didn't even watch
Speaker 2: any buddies uh, you know, presentation in full because yet again,
Speaker 2: I mean I had a lot of things to do.
Speaker 2: I was trying to help out the sound guys. Uh,
Speaker 2: and I know we we definitely did a hell of
Speaker 2: a better job this year with sound. Things went a
Speaker 2: lot smoother and people weren't just coming out to be
Speaker 2: yelling at me like they did last year. We didn't
Speaker 2: have that issue.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: And uh, there there was just a bunch of things
Speaker 2: going on where I was participating in a whole bunch
Speaker 2: of stuff, you know, uh keeping but but it was
Speaker 2: really all centered on the presentations, all centered on uh,
Speaker 2: you know, keeping things moving smoothly.
Speaker 1: Is is this ready? Is that ready to go?
Speaker 2: Or your books available here?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And I was more than happy to have all of
Speaker 2: it go on this way. So and then Sunday comes around.
Speaker 2: Let me think about Sunday momentarily. Uh, Sunday, you know,
Speaker 2: that might been the day that I went to lunch
Speaker 2: with Mike Swanson and I purposely took a break there.
Speaker 2: And yeah, matter of fact, I'm pretty sure about that.
Speaker 2: And Carmine Sabastano's presentation had to be moved at one
Speaker 2: point because his was a virtual and a virtual in
Speaker 2: the sense that he sent in a video and then
Speaker 2: he was going to do a Q and A afterwards.
Speaker 2: I was told, but I think for some reason, he's
Speaker 2: not doing a Q and A. So they were just like, well,
Speaker 2: then it doesn't really matter where we stick his presentation, right, Okay.
Speaker 2: Larry Hancock did his presentation though, and he was live.
Speaker 2: He was live, and David Boylen was there on stage,
Speaker 2: so it was kind of this back and forth and
Speaker 2: we had a little bit of a thing to make
Speaker 2: sure Larry and David were set up correctly, because I
Speaker 2: don't know how well Larry could hear what was going
Speaker 2: on at the conference, but he could certainly hear David,
Speaker 2: and he was able to interact with the question and
Speaker 2: all that. And I know that they got to do
Speaker 2: their presentation, and I mean it was pretty interesting some
Speaker 2: of the stuff on Oswalt. I know that there was
Speaker 2: some work by Bill Simpitch about the medium manipulation and.
Speaker 1: Stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Alex Harris did his video sync project, much more evolved
Speaker 2: than it was when we talked about it on this
Speaker 2: show a few months back. You know, there was just
Speaker 2: a lot of things going on. Doubt it did something
Speaker 2: on the medical evidence I can't remember what O'Halloran did now,
Speaker 2: but you know, Will O'Halloran was on this show and
Speaker 2: gave us a preview right of what it is he
Speaker 2: was going to talk about. At a certain point, I
Speaker 2: had somebody else that gave me a really long intro
Speaker 2: that I couldn't easily read right away, so I had
Speaker 2: to have Gabby go up and read it because I
Speaker 2: really had not thought to bring a good magnifying glass
Speaker 2: with me to Dallas. Otherwise, you know, I wasn't I
Speaker 2: was gonna screw up his whole intro, so I couldn't
Speaker 2: do it. I did now now hopefully I'll retain this
Speaker 2: in my mind. Paul Blau is not Paul Blow. It's
Speaker 2: Paul Blow. And I got to remember to say it
Speaker 2: that way.
Speaker 1: B l Eau.
Speaker 2: I gotta remember to say Paul Blow instead of Blau,
Speaker 2: you know, the French. It's just the way it is.
Speaker 2: So all of that went on. Yeah, Larry Hancock's presentation
Speaker 2: was great. I was happy to see Mike give his
Speaker 2: and I know it was it was solid.
Speaker 1: I was a little disappointed by mister Sheehan, to be
Speaker 1: honest with you, because he said some things during his
Speaker 1: presentation that I know were just bs.
Speaker 2: Anyway, let's get down to the downtown, all right. I'm
Speaker 2: there until Monday morning, and I'm trying to get ready
Speaker 2: and you know, pulling things together and this and that,
Speaker 2: and quite honestly, Sunday night, I had gone out for
Speaker 2: a little bit and came back to the hotel room,
Speaker 2: and I thought missus O was gonna get up and
Speaker 2: go to go to the seven eleven nearby and go
Speaker 2: get some coffee, but she wounded up falling asleep and
Speaker 2: then didn't want to respond to me shaking her, so
Speaker 2: she just stayed sleeping that last night in the hotel room.
Speaker 2: And you know, Frankie's in there with her, and it's
Speaker 2: all cool and everything. But the next morning, when we
Speaker 2: were getting up and getting making sure that we got
Speaker 2: the hell out of there on time for checkout, right,
Speaker 2: it a weird thing happened. Kim comes to me and says,
Speaker 2: you know, there is some weird stuff online about your father.
Speaker 2: I said, what in the hell are you talking about?
Speaker 2: And why is this coming up now? Well, apparently, while
Speaker 2: Frankie was resting up in the hotel room, he wanted
Speaker 2: to look up his own name. And I've tried to
Speaker 2: I probably told you guys this before, but Frankie is
Speaker 2: named after my father.
Speaker 1: So he put in his full legal name.
Speaker 2: And what pops up is some stuff on my father,
Speaker 2: but it's stuff that is not the things I.
Speaker 1: Was aware of.
Speaker 2: A picture of my father that I don't own and
Speaker 2: I've never seen before pops up and somebody has added
Speaker 2: to the Gravefinder information and all that kind of stuff,
Speaker 2: And there's a picture there my father I've never seen
Speaker 2: before that my son wound up, you know, stumbling across.
Speaker 2: So I look at this thing and it turns out
Speaker 2: that it was It was actually put up there January
Speaker 2: of this year, I think, and it was put up
Speaker 2: there by this woman who I don't know except guess
Speaker 2: what I do know her now why she was at
Speaker 2: the conference. And somebody has noted in his you know,
Speaker 2: memoriam information. They've connected his obituary there, which that was
Speaker 2: the way it was, you know, a short time ago,
Speaker 2: there was a picture of his gravestone, and that was it.
Speaker 2: Carmine had gone online and done a search and showed
Speaker 2: me the Gravefinder thing a while ago, which had a
Speaker 2: picture of his gravestone. But that's all that was there.
Speaker 2: This woman apparently added some stuff, and I can't tell
Speaker 2: if she added all of it.
Speaker 1: Her name is Linda, and I'm gonna leave it at that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I had actually spoken to her quite a
Speaker 2: few times during the conference, but she had never mentioned
Speaker 2: that she had done any of this stuff to my
Speaker 2: father's gravefinder site. So I don't know what to say
Speaker 2: about this. I mean, it looks like and by the
Speaker 2: way she did say during the conference and also online,
Speaker 2: it says she's some kind of genealogist, and she says
Speaker 2: that she's been studying the assassination for fifty years. And
Speaker 2: you know, somebody added in my father's information that he
Speaker 2: is the father of JFK researcher Charles o'chelly. So that's
Speaker 2: somebody who doesn't know me personally, because they wouldn't have
Speaker 2: put me down as Charles o'chelly. But anyway, I found
Speaker 2: it strange because I didn't put that information up there
Speaker 2: and had no idea that anybody else had. Plus, there
Speaker 2: was now a photograph of my father from when he
Speaker 2: was alive, and it does appear as though it was
Speaker 2: taken at the time that he was either inducted into
Speaker 2: the military or in the military I'm not sure if
Speaker 2: it's a mugshot or a military photo. It's weird looking.
Speaker 2: I've never seen it before. And meanwhile, this woman had
Speaker 2: done this to my and and made no comment to
Speaker 2: me about it, not at all. She's into the south
Speaker 2: Old shooter thing. She's into a bunch of other things.
Speaker 2: She told me she was going to go to New
Speaker 2: Mexico and go to some UFO conference pretty soon or whatever.
Speaker 1: But I got really weirded out about it.
Speaker 2: And then I double check to make sure and asked
Speaker 2: if a woman by a certain name had attended the conference,
Speaker 2: just to make sure I was right, because she looks
Speaker 2: different in her online picture than she did in person,
Speaker 2: and yeah, I matched up the names, so.
Speaker 1: A little strange. I'm not sure what to make of it.
Speaker 2: I'd love to know, and I don't know if she
Speaker 2: listens to my show, if she's you know, she's obviously
Speaker 2: heard of me at some point. But then again, maybe
Speaker 2: she's done a lot of these, you know, additions to
Speaker 2: people's grave sites and things, because according to one thing
Speaker 2: on that Gravefinder website, it looks like she might have
Speaker 2: made additions like filled in biographical information for a lot
Speaker 2: of people.
Speaker 1: But I just find it oddly.
Speaker 2: Coincidental that another JFK researcher is there, and maybe he
Speaker 2: might be responsible for noting me in his memoriam adding
Speaker 2: a picture I've never seen before.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: The whole thing to me is rather disturbing. Felt like
Speaker 2: I was being stalked a little bit there. And I
Speaker 2: didn't know about any of this, by the way, until
Speaker 2: Monday morning. So I'm standing outside and I'm having a
Speaker 2: cigarette at the hotel there, and who pulls up but
Speaker 2: Gail Nicks Jackson's husband. Which it was great to see Gail,
Speaker 2: and it was wonderful to say hi to her and
Speaker 2: all that good stuff, and I actually sat on the
Speaker 2: stage with her during her presentation. Anyway, her husband pulls
Speaker 2: up because she's giving Doug Campbell, or he's giving Doug Campbell.
Speaker 2: I should say that her husband is giving Doug Campbell
Speaker 2: a ride to the airport, I guess. So he's there
Speaker 2: to pick up Doug, who's leaving that morning too. And
Speaker 2: he happens to me on the phone with Gail on
Speaker 2: you know, like on the car where you got the
Speaker 2: phone call in the speakers, so in the speakers of
Speaker 2: their minivan is a call going on. It's Gail and
Speaker 2: her husband is talking and meanwhile, you know, hey, Chuck
Speaker 2: o'chelly says to me. I walk over and find out
Speaker 2: it's him. Hey, how's it going? Okay? Well, I just
Speaker 2: blurted out, have you ever heard of there was this
Speaker 2: woman here this weekend named Linda, and Gail blurted out
Speaker 2: the last name. I couldn't remember the last name. I
Speaker 2: knew it was on Kim's cell phone, but I hadn't
Speaker 2: I didn't have Kim with me at that moment. And
Speaker 2: she said, oh, yeah, I know her. I said, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: you know her. She says, let me give her a
Speaker 2: call and see if she's still at the hotel. And
Speaker 2: I said, okay, great. I don't know what happened because
Speaker 2: Gail hung up, and I didn't hear about it again.
Speaker 2: But I'll tell you I was weirded out because again,
Speaker 2: nobody's paid attention to my father's stuff. I wonder why.
Speaker 2: I wonder how, and I wonder where that photograph came from,
Speaker 2: and why is it. It wouldn't occur to you to
Speaker 2: even mention to me that you know you're filling in
Speaker 2: biographical information on my father's gravefinder.
Speaker 1: I know I'm probably just being silly, right.
Speaker 2: Anyway, that's the way that Monday got started in Dallas
Speaker 2: and Kim and I and Frankie all got in a car,
Speaker 2: we got packed up, and like I said, didn't sell
Speaker 2: a lot. I mean, you know, we did a little
Speaker 2: better other days, but Friday was just like a zero day,
Speaker 2: and Saturday was pretty pathetic, and Sunday was pretty pathetic.
Speaker 1: So we didn't have a lot of sales.
Speaker 2: Thankfully, a couple of my friends have dropped in a
Speaker 2: little bit of help for us. Otherwise we would have
Speaker 2: been hungry. The first night that we were there, and
Speaker 2: a good friend put in something and decided to say
Speaker 2: that it was for.
Speaker 1: Oh let me think here, what was it? Hookers and beer?
Speaker 2: Anyway, whatever it was, he put in for it, and
Speaker 2: it was big time helpful, and so was anything that's
Speaker 2: been contributed in the past few weeks. Because by the
Speaker 2: skin of our teeth were we able to get there
Speaker 2: and able to get home. We didn't make much at all. So,
Speaker 2: you know, Thanksgivings coming, and I'll just be giving thanks
Speaker 2: that we have enough food in the house and that.
Speaker 1: We're still alive.
Speaker 2: Made it back from Dallas in one piece, and all
Speaker 2: of that.
Speaker 1: I got to tell you. It's interesting in that long.
Speaker 2: Drive and having to get out and you know, dealing
Speaker 2: with the stiff legs and aching body and all that
Speaker 2: fun stuff.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: You stop at different gas stations and such, and you're
Speaker 2: in different states, and they sell you the tourists junk.
Speaker 2: They want to tell you lots of tourists junk at
Speaker 2: exorbitant prices and all that good stuff.
Speaker 1: And there are some nice.
Speaker 2: People and interesting characters and slightly strange ones that you
Speaker 2: run into, especially late at night slash early in the morning.
Speaker 2: But it was actually kind of enjoyable altogether, a little
Speaker 2: tough to do, and I was so exhausted on Tuesday
Speaker 2: when I came home finally that man I needed. I
Speaker 2: intended to broadcast last night, but there was no way
Speaker 2: in hell I had the energy, the strength, whatever it
Speaker 2: is you want to say, to present something.
Speaker 1: To you that was worthy.
Speaker 2: In addition, I didn't have a guest lineup, and I figured,
Speaker 2: if I tell you this story on Tuesday, it'll be
Speaker 2: forgotten by Friday.
Speaker 1: But this way I get my story in.
Speaker 2: I'd let you know what happened. I gave you a
Speaker 2: serious update and all that good stuff, and I guess
Speaker 2: I'll put a conclude on all of this in just
Speaker 2: a minute or two. I'm gonna take a quick break,
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Speaker 2: So Just to close out the the Lancer discussion and
Speaker 2: throw in a couple other tidbits to let you know
Speaker 2: where we're gonna roll this week, it appears as though
Speaker 2: I don't have a viable guest for Thanksgiving Day.
Speaker 1: I might drop in on Aaron.
Speaker 2: Franz is a weird uh streaming event, okay, because he's
Speaker 2: having the War on Christmas, so they're on his live streams,
Speaker 2: and he's not gonna do his live show this week.
Speaker 2: So we might expand the Friday night show. Maybe we'll
Speaker 2: see if you guys show interest in that. If we
Speaker 2: get enough callers to expand it, we'll do it. But
Speaker 2: for a Thursday, I'm thinking, you guys.
Speaker 1: Need a news show. And why do you need a
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Speaker 2: Because it looks to me like a whole lot of
Speaker 2: I told you those are owed to me. I need
Speaker 2: to give a whole lot of I told you those
Speaker 2: to people who told me there's no way that all
Speaker 2: these charges a goods Trump are gonna disappear. Now watch,
Speaker 2: listen and learn. Here's what's gonna happen with all the
Speaker 2: Trump charges. It doesn't matter if they were valid or
Speaker 2: not valid, or if they were just politically motivate.
Speaker 1: It's irrelevant. They're all going away.
Speaker 2: And in fact, by the time all is said and done,
Speaker 2: I'll tell you this, the felony conviction's gone.
Speaker 1: They're gonna be gone. The whole thing, you.
Speaker 2: Know, going after him for trying to steal the vote, gone,
Speaker 2: the whole thing, going after him for whatever gone. I
Speaker 2: even bet, and I would love to bet, and I
Speaker 2: have bet with people, and I'm not even gonna hold
Speaker 2: you to it because it wasn't fair. I saw it
Speaker 2: coming e Gene Carroll and that whole thing where he's
Speaker 2: now been, you know, convicted in that civil action of
Speaker 2: you know, being responsible for sexual assault and all that.
Speaker 2: Watch as that disappears. And it doesn't matter what the
Speaker 2: methodology is. It could be on appeal, it could be
Speaker 2: because the procedure. It could be that they're saying, well,
Speaker 2: we got to do this because he's a sitting president.
Speaker 2: Even though he's not a sitting president yet. They're gonna
Speaker 2: drop it because of that Justice Department policy, which they
Speaker 2: could change at any moment. No problem there, but they're
Speaker 2: gonna drop it. They're gonna drop it all. Also, I'll
Speaker 2: be appearing on Finally, I'm appearing on someone else's show again. Uh,
Speaker 2: not one of the larger, larger podcasts. But holy crap,
Speaker 2: there are questions in the chat room. I got to
Speaker 2: get to as well. Anyway, Uh, covering a trans resistor
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Speaker 2: EG and Carroll thing will even disappear by the way,
Speaker 2: it's all gonna be gone anyway. Let's see VP says
Speaker 2: he found Hockey on Max. Did you drive by and
Speaker 2: give the finger to the Lorenzo?
Speaker 1: You know what?
Speaker 2: I couldn't find the Lorenzo. I wanted to point it
Speaker 2: out that people to tell him don't go there. I
Speaker 2: hope Judy holds it there. Oh, happy meals and hookers, that's.
Speaker 1: What it was. The move.
Speaker 2: The money that was sent to me in Dallas, which
Speaker 2: allowed us to eat, was for happy meals and hookers.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. That's what it was anyway.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember looking for an open gas pump in
Speaker 2: Birmingham at four in the morning. You know, I don't
Speaker 2: think we stopped in Birmingham, Alabama. We stopped in some
Speaker 2: other very small area in Alabama. Oh you know what,
Speaker 2: we might have stopped in Selma too, now, he says, correction, Selma,
Speaker 2: not Birmingham. It might have been Selma where we stopped. Also,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I wasn't driving as per usual. I
Speaker 2: was just kind of either waking up or coming out
Speaker 2: of a daze, you know. Also a city GX says
Speaker 2: he would buy a disc of Wall Brown. Appreciate that.
Speaker 2: But I was trying to do it, you know, so
Speaker 2: I didn't have to figure out postage or anything.
Speaker 1: I was trying to sell him there in Dallas, and
Speaker 1: I figured people would appreciate it. But thirty bucks, I
Speaker 1: don't know. They just didn't want them.
Speaker 2: So I've had to write to Walton tell him that
Speaker 2: so far, I think I sold one of his discs
Speaker 2: and that's it. I don't think I sold even a
Speaker 2: single book of his. And I tried to take one,
Speaker 2: Like I said to the Knoll. I wanted to PLoP
Speaker 2: it in Judy's hands, but I couldn't get to her
Speaker 2: because she was delayed on stage.
Speaker 1: Due to the q A non thing. Anyway, I want.
Speaker 2: To talk about smiling Joe Biden in the news. Maybe
Speaker 2: I'll cover if I can find some good audio the
Speaker 2: rocket launch, the Musk rocket launch that took place that
Speaker 2: Trump was president at I mean, I don't want to
Speaker 2: do all.
Speaker 1: Politics, you know, I just don't want to.
Speaker 2: Hey, you know what, here's a funny thing that was
Speaker 2: posted in the chat room by face shifter. Mayhap the
Speaker 2: woke tards will wreck the Capitol Building come January instead
Speaker 2: of the Trump cult this time.
Speaker 1: So here's the thing about this, face shifter.
Speaker 2: If you think for a minute that anyone is going
Speaker 2: to go out there and on behalf of the Democrats
Speaker 2: do something like what happened on January sixth, If you
Speaker 2: think that's gonna happen, unless they're being paid provocateurs, I.
Speaker 1: Don't know what to tell you. They're not motivated enough
Speaker 1: to go out there. They're not going to go protested.
Speaker 2: I mean, did you see the big goofy really brain
Speaker 2: damage looking smile Joe Biden had on his face handing
Speaker 2: things back over to Trump.
Speaker 1: He's more than pleased. The system is doing what the
Speaker 1: system wants to do. Trump is meant to be reinstalled.
Speaker 1: I told you this, but I know I don't.
Speaker 2: Know what I'm talking about. He was meant to be reinstalled.
Speaker 2: He will be exonerated. Watch as it all goes. And oh,
Speaker 2: by the way, Matt Gates dropped out of the running
Speaker 2: for the AG.
Speaker 1: I bet you he's gonna get another job, maybe a
Speaker 1: quieter one, but either either way.
Speaker 2: I still say that although b Pete read that thing
Speaker 2: that said something that made it sound like he can't
Speaker 2: take that office again even though he's been elected, I'm
Speaker 2: wondering if there's a technical by which he can get
Speaker 2: around it. Because if there is a way to get
Speaker 2: around a rule or normal way of being, it's happening anymore.
Speaker 2: So let's just see where Matt Gates goes. Then again,
Speaker 2: maybe Elon Musk has a.
Speaker 1: Great job for him.
Speaker 2: They'll put him to work at SpaceX, and we'll be
Speaker 2: at the next launch standing next to Ted Cruz. Ted
Speaker 2: Cruz was president that rocket launch with Trump and Elon
Speaker 2: Musk and all that good stuff, and who knows what
Speaker 2: other comedy might strike us by tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Probably not a lot. But I'll do a newsblast tomorrow
Speaker 1: and the Friday night show.
Speaker 2: Will go as per usual, except this we might be
Speaker 2: able to go past ten pm.
Speaker 1: The only contingency.
Speaker 2: There that I'm gonna require is we're gonna need more
Speaker 2: phone calls. If it's just you know, the same two
Speaker 2: guys that call in and that's all we get, then
Speaker 2: maybe we close it out a little bit after ten
Speaker 2: something like that. That no big deal. But if we get
Speaker 2: more calls, more interest, more interaction, we'll keep it rolling.
Speaker 1: So there you go.
Speaker 2: The COVID policies have been passed. Yes, the COVID policies
Speaker 2: were passed from Trump to Biden, and what now Biden
Speaker 2: can pass them back to Trump. But I'm not worried
Speaker 2: about the COVID policies. I'm not worried about a lot
Speaker 2: of things here. I'm also not worried about the whole
Speaker 2: question which came up a couple of times during the
Speaker 2: conference too.
Speaker 1: Of well, now Trump's going to have to do something.
Speaker 2: He's got RFK Junior involved in his uh, you know,
Speaker 2: in his world, he's gonna.
Speaker 1: Have to.
Speaker 2: That. As you assume that RFK Junior really really behind
Speaker 2: the scenes, and during the quiet moments, cares about having
Speaker 2: files released. I don't think so, but we shall see.
Speaker 2: He's definitely demonstrated interesting ethos having taken a position next
Speaker 2: to Trump. He's definitely out there right now, by the way,
Speaker 2: begging for money because he says that his campaign was
Speaker 2: in debt and he's gonna need lots of small donations
Speaker 2: from all of the little people out there to pay
Speaker 2: off the debt of his campaign. I've gotten several emails
Speaker 2: already from his campaign to that effect. And what can
Speaker 2: I say. I don't want to help him pay it off.
Speaker 2: I say, let one of your new billionaire friends handle it, brother,
Speaker 2: because they can. So let's see he can rerun for
Speaker 2: his seat. B Pete says, yeah, maybe he will do that.
Speaker 2: Judy can schmooze RFK Junior.
Speaker 1: Well you know she's tried.
Speaker 2: These are all comments that are happening in my chatroom
Speaker 2: right now as I'm talking live. Of course, if you're
Speaker 2: hearing the podcast, you can always go back to ochelly
Speaker 2: dot com and roll back the chat room and see.
Speaker 1: Why it is.
Speaker 2: I'm saying what I'm saying because I'm not being a
Speaker 2: great announcer. I gotta say, though, I feel really good
Speaker 2: about the way I handled the MC duties this year,
Speaker 2: a lot better than I did last year, I feel,
Speaker 2: and we didn't have any you know, drunken stupidity during
Speaker 2: our conference at all. The only disturbance that I still
Speaker 2: don't feel good about is the QA non people, you know,
Speaker 2: making a human chain across Elm Street and being jackasses
Speaker 2: and stopping traffic during JFK's the JFK.
Speaker 1: Moment of silence on the null. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: define dick move. See this in the dictionary. It just is. Anyway,
Speaker 1: let's get to it.
Speaker 2: I'm sure Judio claimed that she ran into RFK Senior
Speaker 2: at some point, and maybe she knew him too, because obviously.
Speaker 1: Lee knew RFK, right, what else is old?
Speaker 2: Anyway, We're gonna let it go with that because I
Speaker 2: think I'm out of the one hour mark and that
Speaker 2: is good enough for me here on this particular Wednesday,
Speaker 2: after the Lancer conference, we're gonna go back to full speed,
Speaker 2: and I've got a few interesting guests lined up. I've
Speaker 2: even got the possibility of being a guest on a
Speaker 2: couple of shows, and one show is booked. Let me
Speaker 2: see if I can remember this guy's name, because it
Speaker 2: was it was interesting. Let's see, where is he interesting
Speaker 2: name on his podcast? So I I just I just said, yes,
Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever heard this guy before, but
Speaker 2: maybe you guys have.
Speaker 1: I've also been written.
Speaker 2: To by one guy that I met at Lancer who
Speaker 2: does a lot of work on Stanley Kubrick and also
Speaker 2: Jack Nicholson. So I thought that was of interest. Maybe
Speaker 2: we'll do a little show on that. I definitely wouldn't
Speaker 2: mind talking about Kubrick, not just from the conspiracy side
Speaker 2: of things. But you know, there we go. There's always that.
Speaker 2: Let's see, we'd greatly appreciate.
Speaker 1: I'm on.
Speaker 2: Okay, the name of his podcast, and this guy's name
Speaker 2: is Joshua Lee. Uh shit shooting one oh one, So
Speaker 2: no idea. He says that he recently interviewed Donald Jeffries,
Speaker 2: and I guess he wants to talk about Let's see, he.
Speaker 1: Says he wants to talk about the old q JFK.
Speaker 2: Junior nonsense leading into the JFK assassination material. Looking to
Speaker 2: record on an evening, Yeah, RFK Junior's involvement, the Trump
Speaker 2: derangement syndrome. These are all topics she wants to cover
Speaker 2: with me on Shit Shooting one oh one. So apparently
Speaker 2: it's an audio podcast and I've never heard of before,
Speaker 2: but I guess we will.
Speaker 1: Hear it together and I'll see if I can.
Speaker 2: Either covertly grab a recording or get a recording from
Speaker 2: the guy immediately afterwards, and we'll play it here on
Speaker 2: the radio station and all that. So anyway, that's the
Speaker 2: way that is. That is the weekend that was, and
Speaker 2: I'll be more than happy to talk about it a
Speaker 2: lot more on Friday, on Friar's Day. Plus, we got
Speaker 2: to cover the news, and I'm swearing to you up
Speaker 2: and down as I'm watching these headlines hit and breaking news.
Speaker 2: This case is being dropped, breaking news. Jack Smith is
Speaker 2: winding stuff down and breaking news. Chuck o'chelly told you
Speaker 2: this crap was gonna happen months ago. It's all gonna
Speaker 2: go away different reasons, whether it's Fanny down there with
Speaker 2: the problems and now that prosecution is stalled and now
Speaker 2: they're not gonna be able to.
Speaker 1: Get to that.
Speaker 2: That's about dead in the water. The Florida case, the
Speaker 2: classified documents is going away. I'm telling you they're gonna
Speaker 2: rewind all the way back to eg and Carroll. It's
Speaker 2: all gonna go away. And then what are you gonna say,
Speaker 2: He's now the exonerated chosen one. It's win win win
Speaker 2: for the Trumpers. Let's see if they are happy with
Speaker 2: that win.
Speaker 1: A year or two from now. Let's see. That's all
Speaker 1: I got to say.
Speaker 2: It isn't a matter of I'm saying they won't be,
Speaker 2: because they probably will be.
Speaker 1: Here's what happens either way.
Speaker 2: I'm figuring, no matter what, they're not going to place
Speaker 2: the blame on the Chosen One, no.
Speaker 1: Matter what anyway.
Speaker 2: So let's just enjoy and stick around for the ride.
Speaker 2: You know, Donald Jeffries uses the term America two point
Speaker 2: zero all the time because he's got that old man
Speaker 2: syndrome where he thinks, you know, America was one way
Speaker 2: at a certain time that it really wasn't and he
Speaker 2: thinks he lived through it and all that, and he
Speaker 2: thinks that, you know, things changed, and the reason why
Speaker 2: things changed in his mind is really really.
Speaker 1: Odd to me.
Speaker 2: It's not the same reasons why I know things changed.
Speaker 2: Most of the stuff that they think is so terrible
Speaker 2: and brand new is not brand new at all. It's
Speaker 2: just that they've decided to take notice of it. And
Speaker 2: I guess ignorance is not only bliss. Ignorance is a
Speaker 2: beautiful way of life for some people, because even if
Speaker 2: you don't want to see the terrible things that somebody does.
Speaker 1: You really truly live in a state of denial. You
Speaker 1: can avoid feeling bad about anything.
Speaker 2: And you know, just like many years ago when they
Speaker 2: were talking about the economy rises and falls really just
Speaker 2: based on how people feel. I mean, not totally, but
Speaker 2: it's a huge factor. Just if people think things are good,
Speaker 2: they get better. If people think things are bad, they
Speaker 2: don't go as well. And it doesn't matter what the
Speaker 2: reality is anyhow, it doesn't matter what the reality is.
Speaker 2: I also saw a lady who you know, said that
Speaker 2: she was, you know, involved a lot with Revolution Radio
Speaker 2: and apparently Red Radio is going away. I had a
Speaker 2: hard time finding it recently, but Rev Radio's going away.
Speaker 2: And she was saying, well, you know, we need a
Speaker 2: new place to go and this and that. Handed her
Speaker 2: a card and said, O'Kelly, network's got open spots. I
Speaker 2: have a couple of spots where I can produce people,
Speaker 2: and I've got a mini network.
Speaker 1: Come on down.
Speaker 2: Let's see what you got revolution radio type people. I said, yeah,
Speaker 2: some of them, absolutely, maybe not all, but let's see
Speaker 2: what it is we can get done. Let's see if
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five can be a good year for what
Speaker 2: it is I'm doing over here. And it looks like
Speaker 2: because a lot of people went to the desk there
Speaker 2: at Lancer, apparently there was a fair amount of people
Speaker 2: that said that they personally wanted to make sure that
Speaker 2: I would be the MC again next year and the
Speaker 2: foreseeable future. According to Gabrielle Glenn, you know, I hope
Speaker 2: that we can work it out, and I hope that
Speaker 2: I can go back and do it maybe one more time,
Speaker 2: if I live long enough, one or two more times,
Speaker 2: I'll be happy to go back and at least help
Speaker 2: them run that thing and bring you back the stories,
Speaker 2: maybe even bring you back some you know, some absconded
Speaker 2: with audio on the bootleg and all that, maybe you know,
Speaker 2: stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I had a pretty good time.
Speaker 2: I wore myself out. My voice is still hurting, my
Speaker 2: back is still killing me. But I don't want to
Speaker 2: complain about it too much.
Speaker 1: Because I did it to myself.
Speaker 2: Brought the family there brought them back and we're all
Speaker 2: in one piece. So what else can I say? How
Speaker 2: can I possibly complain?
Speaker 1: Hopefully you had.
Speaker 2: A good weekend and hopefully if you guys have gone
Speaker 2: and gotten the uh not too many people signed up
Speaker 2: with the ocell ten percent discount for the online conference,
Speaker 2: but the videos are there. You could still do it
Speaker 2: if you wanted to. At Assassination Conference dot com. You
Speaker 2: can get it there right now. They're broken up into
Speaker 2: three giant you know, each day's videos, but they're gonna
Speaker 2: be broken up into presenter segments at some point, and
Speaker 2: once they are, they'll be.
Speaker 1: Available like that and for download.
Speaker 2: If you use the Chrome I think browser, you'll be
Speaker 2: able to download them and keep them.
Speaker 1: Answer Conference good stuff.
Speaker 2: And I'm hoping that, you know, if I'm gonna be
Speaker 2: involved again next year, I'm gonna try and put my
Speaker 2: hands deep into it and see exactly how we can,
Speaker 2: you know, juice it up, soup it up and make
Speaker 2: it a little stronger. And what the hell we gotta
Speaker 2: get at the truth. We got to get at real
Speaker 2: progress no matter what is we're doing. And I hope
Speaker 2: I'm able to make real progress with the show this
Speaker 2: year and for you guys, and with the JFK thing,
Speaker 2: let's get to it all and let's do the best
Speaker 2: that we can. November is almost over and Thanksgivings coming up,
Speaker 2: so I'm gonna try and do something on Thanksgiving night live,
Speaker 2: and I don't know, I don't know if I want
Speaker 2: to do a talk show. Maybe it'll be good time
Speaker 2: for a DJ set and we'll do short attention span
Speaker 2: DJ theater or something like that.
Speaker 1: But either way, I'm now over my hour.
Speaker 2: And like I said, I'm gonna do something tomorrow night,
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna do something on Friday, which will be
Speaker 2: the live call in show, and my co host b
Speaker 2: Pete will be with me, and hopefully.
Speaker 1: So will you. So remember this, I am merely o'celly
Speaker 1: all of you are. Indeed the effect be well
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