WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.159 --> 00:00:03.680 The fifth pick in the NBA Draft will be made 2 00:00:03.680 --> 00:00:06.480 by the Utah Jazz. 3 00:00:08.119 --> 00:00:09.480 The number one pick in. 4 00:00:09.480 --> 00:00:13.919 The twenty twenty five NBA Draft goes to the Dallas Mavericks. 5 00:00:14.320 --> 00:00:16.920 You're just gonna rub it in, aren't you? All day? 6 00:00:17.199 --> 00:00:19.039 You're just gonna misbehave and rub it in all day, 7 00:00:19.079 --> 00:00:19.519 aren't you. 8 00:00:19.600 --> 00:00:21.280 I don't know. I don't know what to do. I 9 00:00:21.280 --> 00:00:25.519 know it hurts, but we have to talk it out. 10 00:00:25.839 --> 00:00:27.719 I guess we get out now. 11 00:00:27.760 --> 00:00:30.559 We do, we do and it does hurt, but you know, 12 00:00:30.760 --> 00:00:33.359 it's the reality of how this process works. 13 00:00:33.520 --> 00:00:34.079 Love it or not. 14 00:00:34.439 --> 00:00:36.200 Whether or not you think it should be changed, certainly 15 00:00:36.240 --> 00:00:39.479 a different conversation. But our first guest on a Tuesday 16 00:00:39.520 --> 00:00:42.960 afternoon was in the room where it happened. Shout out Hamilton, 17 00:00:43.479 --> 00:00:46.280 Andy Larson, Salt Lake Tribune, Andy, Happy Tuesday, buddy. 18 00:00:46.280 --> 00:00:57.039 How we doing? Hello? Andy? Hello? Andy? What's going on 19 00:00:57.079 --> 00:00:57.479 with Andy? 20 00:00:58.039 --> 00:00:58.520 Can you hear me? 21 00:00:58.640 --> 00:00:59.679 Hey? Hi? Andy? 22 00:00:59.719 --> 00:01:03.320 How are you sorry about that? Yeah? I'm doing well. 23 00:01:03.320 --> 00:01:03.840 How about you? 24 00:01:04.079 --> 00:01:05.680 I'm well? So are you still in Chicago? 25 00:01:06.640 --> 00:01:06.879 I am? 26 00:01:06.959 --> 00:01:08.000 Yeah. You are all being here. 27 00:01:08.159 --> 00:01:12.159 They do the media availability tomorrow with all the all 28 00:01:12.200 --> 00:01:14.319 the players here at the combine, So we'll get the 29 00:01:14.400 --> 00:01:16.079 chance to talk to everyone kind of in the jazz 30 00:01:16.159 --> 00:01:20.400 is range along with us or demon and then head 31 00:01:20.400 --> 00:01:21.040 back Thursday. 32 00:01:21.680 --> 00:01:24.560 All right, Andy, So I'm just gonna ask you to 33 00:01:24.599 --> 00:01:27.680 respond to folks, and we just simply live in a 34 00:01:27.719 --> 00:01:31.319 time where if a result doesn't go your way, or 35 00:01:31.359 --> 00:01:33.760 if you don't understand why something is the way it is, 36 00:01:33.799 --> 00:01:36.200 the easy thing to do is yell that it's rigged 37 00:01:36.280 --> 00:01:39.280 or it was stolen or it was taken from you. 38 00:01:39.400 --> 00:01:42.359 And the reality is where the jazz landed last night 39 00:01:42.680 --> 00:01:46.359 was the most you know, the chances were the highest 40 00:01:46.359 --> 00:01:48.000 of the jazz are going to land where they did. Now, 41 00:01:48.040 --> 00:01:50.680 I know it stings, But for all of the hey 42 00:01:50.799 --> 00:01:52.879 this is rigged and the fixes in crowd, what do 43 00:01:52.920 --> 00:01:53.560 you have to say? 44 00:01:54.599 --> 00:01:57.680 Yeah? Look, I was stunned that that was as much 45 00:01:57.719 --> 00:01:59.480 of the reaction as it was that, you know, when 46 00:01:59.519 --> 00:02:03.799 I pulled my followers yesterday on Twitter that seventy six 47 00:02:03.920 --> 00:02:06.359 present to respond and said that they felt that the 48 00:02:06.359 --> 00:02:08.599 lottery is rigged, and I, I don't know. I like, 49 00:02:08.599 --> 00:02:10.319 Look I was, I was in the room. You can 50 00:02:10.360 --> 00:02:12.919 see the ping pong ball flow around until one gets 51 00:02:12.919 --> 00:02:14.759 sucked up, and then they call the number and then 52 00:02:15.759 --> 00:02:18.400 you know, there are four that a combination of four 53 00:02:18.400 --> 00:02:21.120 different ping pong balls. You're not really sure which team 54 00:02:21.159 --> 00:02:22.960 it's going to be into that last ping pong ball 55 00:02:22.960 --> 00:02:26.759 all is drawn, and you know, so it would be 56 00:02:27.039 --> 00:02:31.000 extremely difficult to rig given that you have fourteen team 57 00:02:31.400 --> 00:02:34.280 executives there, you know, ten of which who are going 58 00:02:34.479 --> 00:02:37.520 home unhappy and are are going to have every reason to, 59 00:02:38.800 --> 00:02:41.439 you know, raise concern if something were to go wrong, 60 00:02:41.560 --> 00:02:44.800 plus fourteen media members there who would make their careers 61 00:02:44.800 --> 00:02:47.240 if they could, you know, really report out that the 62 00:02:47.800 --> 00:02:50.599 that the lottery was rigged. And then like, okay, let's 63 00:02:50.599 --> 00:02:53.560 say that it is rigged in favor of the Dallas Mavericks, 64 00:02:53.560 --> 00:02:56.520 you know, in return for giving Luca don just to 65 00:02:56.520 --> 00:03:00.560 the Lakers, which you know, stuff on both ends of deal. 66 00:03:00.639 --> 00:03:05.159 But like, uh, how did they convince Anthony Davis to 67 00:03:05.560 --> 00:03:07.439 go down with an injury? And how did they get 68 00:03:07.599 --> 00:03:10.199 Kyrie to tear his tendency? You know, so we won't 69 00:03:10.199 --> 00:03:13.919 play all next season? Right like this, that doesn't make sense. 70 00:03:13.960 --> 00:03:16.520 They were a playoff team before then, So this like 71 00:03:16.639 --> 00:03:21.360 quid pro quote, people are the conspiracy theories are turning out. 72 00:03:21.439 --> 00:03:25.560 It just doesn't make any sense. Guys like it is. 73 00:03:25.960 --> 00:03:30.280 It's the perfect theory that like makes so much sense 74 00:03:30.319 --> 00:03:33.159 if you think about it for exactly zero point five milliseconds, 75 00:03:33.240 --> 00:03:35.560 and then you know, the rest of us grow up 76 00:03:35.599 --> 00:03:39.520 from being twelve years old to kind of understand that, like, hey, 77 00:03:39.639 --> 00:03:42.039 the world works this way sometimes and a whole lot 78 00:03:42.039 --> 00:03:44.800 of the time you're gonna get unlucky. And that's that's 79 00:03:44.800 --> 00:03:46.280 what happened with the last night. 80 00:03:46.439 --> 00:03:47.919 That's why they call it a lottery. 81 00:03:48.280 --> 00:03:52.800 And you know, for all of the for every piece 82 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:54.639 of if I don't know if you want to call 83 00:03:54.680 --> 00:03:56.800 a proof or maybe just an example that feels a 84 00:03:56.840 --> 00:04:01.000 little bit uncomfortable, I can throw twenty examples at Jude Indicay. 85 00:04:01.080 --> 00:04:04.199 This thing is not rigged, and it's just how lotteries work. 86 00:04:04.280 --> 00:04:08.719 Now, I understand the disappointment, and honestly, Andy, I share 87 00:04:08.719 --> 00:04:11.800 in it. I mean, I was hoping last night the 88 00:04:11.840 --> 00:04:13.840 Jazz would land at one, and I was hoping that 89 00:04:13.919 --> 00:04:15.879 Cooper Flag would be on his way to our market, 90 00:04:15.919 --> 00:04:18.439 because we badly need this team to be far more 91 00:04:18.480 --> 00:04:21.959 relevant than it has been outside of the little bubble 92 00:04:21.959 --> 00:04:24.519 of people to believe it's more relevant than it actually is. 93 00:04:24.560 --> 00:04:27.920 Like I have national guests on my show every year 94 00:04:28.160 --> 00:04:30.560 or every day during the NBA season, and I can't 95 00:04:30.600 --> 00:04:33.120 even ask them anything about the team outside of like, hey, 96 00:04:33.720 --> 00:04:36.319 what will Cooper flag look like in a Jazz uniform? 97 00:04:36.519 --> 00:04:40.160 So I understand the frustration, but it doesn't mean that 98 00:04:40.160 --> 00:04:42.399 the fix is in. We just live in this time 99 00:04:42.480 --> 00:04:45.920 and place where if something doesn't go your way, instead 100 00:04:45.959 --> 00:04:49.079 of critically thinking about it, it's easy to say it 101 00:04:49.120 --> 00:04:52.480 was stolen, it was rigged, it was taken from me. Right, 102 00:04:52.879 --> 00:04:55.560 here's where I want to go next, though. Do you 103 00:04:55.839 --> 00:04:59.040 like this current format? Because in twenty nineteen, they flatten 104 00:04:59.079 --> 00:05:03.720 the odds and essentially they they are not rewarding the 105 00:05:03.759 --> 00:05:07.160 worst teams in pro basketball. So that's the message from 106 00:05:07.160 --> 00:05:09.240 the league office, like, we don't want you to tank, 107 00:05:09.439 --> 00:05:13.160 right like, we don't believe that that is a decision 108 00:05:13.160 --> 00:05:15.639 that is steeped in integrity and respect for the way 109 00:05:15.680 --> 00:05:17.560 this thing is built. Do you like the way that 110 00:05:17.639 --> 00:05:19.199 the current lottery is set up? 111 00:05:20.120 --> 00:05:22.800 Yeah? And I mean then didn't last night work out? 112 00:05:23.000 --> 00:05:27.800 Because the Jazz tanked harder and more blatantly and more 113 00:05:27.920 --> 00:05:32.000 anti competitively and less honorably than any other team in 114 00:05:32.040 --> 00:05:36.160 the NBA this year and potentially, like honestly in league history, 115 00:05:36.240 --> 00:05:39.399 like John Collins played forty games this season and was 116 00:05:39.439 --> 00:05:42.920 healthy all year long, right like that, it's crazy. You 117 00:05:42.959 --> 00:05:46.319 had Walker Kessler missing games as a twenty three year 118 00:05:46.360 --> 00:05:49.720 old due to rest when there were days off in 119 00:05:49.800 --> 00:05:52.759 between games. You had him shooting five threes a game 120 00:05:53.120 --> 00:05:55.680 even though you knew that he can't shoot threes, right, 121 00:05:55.759 --> 00:05:58.560 even though he is a fifty percent free throw shooter. 122 00:05:59.000 --> 00:06:01.480 You were kind of hoping, Hey, let's go in and 123 00:06:01.560 --> 00:06:04.160 see how many threes Walker can shoot, and in fact 124 00:06:04.279 --> 00:06:06.399 made him run in practice when he didn't get up 125 00:06:06.399 --> 00:06:09.519 at least five a game, like come on, like you 126 00:06:09.519 --> 00:06:13.000 know the idea. Yes, this went badly for the Jazz, 127 00:06:13.000 --> 00:06:16.319 but from a league perspective, like if you want if 128 00:06:16.319 --> 00:06:20.360 your number one priority is preventing teams from tanking, then 129 00:06:20.399 --> 00:06:24.639 this is absolutely what you want. I think there's a 130 00:06:24.639 --> 00:06:27.759 conversation to be had on do you want teams to 131 00:06:27.839 --> 00:06:33.879 tank less than you want them to rewards them with 132 00:06:34.079 --> 00:06:37.480 the number one overall selection or the best draft selections? Right, 133 00:06:37.519 --> 00:06:41.680 like is the should the priority be parody to some 134 00:06:41.720 --> 00:06:44.839 extent that you can cycle these teams out of the bottom, 135 00:06:45.040 --> 00:06:50.639 get them higher into contention windows more quickly, and then 136 00:06:50.680 --> 00:06:52.680 all of a sudden Okay, it doesn't make any sense 137 00:06:52.720 --> 00:06:55.439 to flatten the lottery odds like they did in twenty nineteen. 138 00:06:55.519 --> 00:06:59.279 So I think, to me, honestly, that probably should be 139 00:06:59.480 --> 00:07:03.519 more of a priority than preventing tanking. But given that 140 00:07:03.600 --> 00:07:07.439 preventing tanking was seen as the league's number one issue 141 00:07:08.240 --> 00:07:11.319 in twenty nineteen and it's still seen as so important today, 142 00:07:11.600 --> 00:07:15.040 then what happened last night makes sense, like and it 143 00:07:15.399 --> 00:07:19.199 fits within that that setup. It just totally depends on 144 00:07:19.240 --> 00:07:22.519 what your priorities are as a result. Look, the Jazz 145 00:07:22.600 --> 00:07:24.800 are going to be bad for the years to come. 146 00:07:24.959 --> 00:07:27.399 But you know what if the Jazz were in the league, 147 00:07:27.439 --> 00:07:29.839 you know, if they're in European Soccer or whatever, a 148 00:07:29.879 --> 00:07:31.920 team without a draft or a draft that does a 149 00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:34.079 league without a draft, or a league where drafts don't 150 00:07:34.079 --> 00:07:37.480 matter right like, then you just see teams stagnate at 151 00:07:37.480 --> 00:07:40.079 the top and at the bottom of the league. So anyway, 152 00:07:40.480 --> 00:07:42.720 I think it's a totally fair conversation to have, and 153 00:07:43.000 --> 00:07:46.199 is a conversation in fact, that the league most powerful 154 00:07:46.240 --> 00:07:50.680 people are having at the combine and in the Chicago 155 00:07:50.680 --> 00:07:51.759 hotel rooms as we speak. 156 00:07:52.240 --> 00:07:56.519 Well, and you know, ultimately people around here today don't 157 00:07:56.560 --> 00:07:59.759 want to hear this, But for all the pushback and 158 00:08:00.199 --> 00:08:03.759 the flak that the NBA is taking today and that 159 00:08:03.839 --> 00:08:06.839 Adam Silver is taking today, last night was an absolute 160 00:08:06.920 --> 00:08:09.639 win for them because it's going to make the off 161 00:08:09.680 --> 00:08:14.079 season incredibly interesting for a league that loses a ton 162 00:08:14.079 --> 00:08:16.680 of its market share to Pro football quite frankly, in. 163 00:08:16.759 --> 00:08:18.920 Just a matter of you know, five or six weeks. 164 00:08:19.560 --> 00:08:23.240 Last night was an absolute win for the NBA based 165 00:08:23.279 --> 00:08:26.040 on what they try to accomplish by flattening those odds 166 00:08:26.040 --> 00:08:29.079 in twenty nineteen. It's going to bring attention, intrigue, probably 167 00:08:29.079 --> 00:08:31.079 gonna bring a lot of moves, probably going to bring 168 00:08:31.120 --> 00:08:34.159 some trades, maybe even some big time trades on Draft Night. 169 00:08:34.559 --> 00:08:37.159 So folks don't want to hear that today because what 170 00:08:37.840 --> 00:08:40.720 it wasn't Andy, was a win for the Jazz. And again, 171 00:08:40.879 --> 00:08:43.600 when it's not a win for your side, the easy 172 00:08:43.639 --> 00:08:45.799 thing to do, without being a critical thinker is yell 173 00:08:45.879 --> 00:08:47.960 that the you know it's rigged and that it's been stolen. 174 00:08:48.840 --> 00:08:53.200 The complicated thing, though, is what does this mean for 175 00:08:53.279 --> 00:08:56.480 a roster construction in a city like Salt Lake, for 176 00:08:56.600 --> 00:08:59.919 a team like the Jazz, that, if we're honest, Andy 177 00:09:00.200 --> 00:09:02.960 have not found franchise pillars. They wanted to stay here 178 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:05.120 longer than seven or eight years since John and Carl 179 00:09:05.120 --> 00:09:05.519 were here. 180 00:09:05.639 --> 00:09:08.759 And that's the reality. So what's next? What do they do? 181 00:09:08.840 --> 00:09:10.440 What do the Jazz do? What are the next steps? 182 00:09:11.600 --> 00:09:14.759 Yeah, I mean you draft the best player who can 183 00:09:14.799 --> 00:09:17.799 at number five, and look, I think there are probably 184 00:09:17.879 --> 00:09:21.000 three guys with like some some kind of star upside 185 00:09:21.000 --> 00:09:22.879 at number five. I don't think like it's a hopeless 186 00:09:22.879 --> 00:09:25.200 position to be and I think you'd much rather be 187 00:09:25.240 --> 00:09:27.440 the Jazz at number five than the Wizards at number six. 188 00:09:29.399 --> 00:09:34.879 And then look, you can sell yourself on the Hey, 189 00:09:34.960 --> 00:09:37.240 you can always trade for Trey Young, you can always 190 00:09:37.240 --> 00:09:40.519 trade for Zion Williamson, and the Jazz have draft assets 191 00:09:40.519 --> 00:09:42.840 to do that. And heck, you know, maybe that makes sense. 192 00:09:42.879 --> 00:09:45.399 Maybe you give up on the tanking thing and just 193 00:09:45.600 --> 00:09:48.559 kind of go for it with that level of player. 194 00:09:49.200 --> 00:09:51.960 Then you need something crazy to happen with the rest 195 00:09:51.960 --> 00:09:54.960 of the roster, right like otherwise you are in the 196 00:09:55.080 --> 00:09:58.600 Atlanta or you know, New Orleans kind of the the 197 00:09:58.600 --> 00:10:02.279 middle treadmill where you know, you need a second star 198 00:10:02.399 --> 00:10:05.440 to appear next to those guys, like I think the 199 00:10:05.480 --> 00:10:09.519 Tray Young, Lowry Markin and Walker Kessler team is a 200 00:10:09.919 --> 00:10:12.600 thirty five win team, you know, maybe a little bit 201 00:10:12.679 --> 00:10:16.600 less given how competitive the Western conferences. But on the 202 00:10:16.639 --> 00:10:18.360 other hand, you do have the chance to make the 203 00:10:18.399 --> 00:10:20.320 play in tournament, and then you have a chance for 204 00:10:20.399 --> 00:10:22.840 things to go right if there are injuries and your 205 00:10:22.919 --> 00:10:25.840 side of the bracket or whatever right like so, or 206 00:10:25.960 --> 00:10:30.039 if somebody unexpectedly pops and becomes a star you know 207 00:10:30.120 --> 00:10:33.519 that you didn't see coming, like a Nicola jokicch for example. 208 00:10:33.679 --> 00:10:38.679 So that's one pass forward. The other path forward is 209 00:10:38.759 --> 00:10:40.919 stay the course and tank again next year and go 210 00:10:41.039 --> 00:10:45.440 for Aja Debansa and Cam Booser and Darren Peterson and 211 00:10:45.559 --> 00:10:48.480 these guys who are projected to be franchise changing players 212 00:10:48.519 --> 00:10:51.320 next year. I mean, it's too soon, really, do I 213 00:10:51.320 --> 00:10:53.559 think understand what the Jazz want to do. I think 214 00:10:54.000 --> 00:10:57.600 there is some uncertainty as to like what Ryan Smith 215 00:10:57.759 --> 00:11:01.720 will instruct the team to do and whether or not, 216 00:11:01.919 --> 00:11:04.360 you know, he sees this as a turning point in 217 00:11:04.399 --> 00:11:08.039 the team's decision making, or again, if they want to stay. 218 00:11:07.879 --> 00:11:09.720 The course all right. 219 00:11:09.799 --> 00:11:14.559 So I felt so bad for Ashley Smith, who had 220 00:11:14.600 --> 00:11:17.279 this look on her face after Mark Tatum revealed the 221 00:11:17.360 --> 00:11:19.360 envelope with the Jazz at five that she had just 222 00:11:19.440 --> 00:11:20.440 seen a ghost. 223 00:11:21.080 --> 00:11:22.440 But that's all we could see on TV. 224 00:11:22.639 --> 00:11:25.480 You were there, you know, the reaction of the other 225 00:11:25.559 --> 00:11:28.440 jazz contingent, Ryan whoever else was there? What did that 226 00:11:28.559 --> 00:11:31.639 look and sound like? After I was revealed the jazz 227 00:11:31.639 --> 00:11:32.399 were picking at five? 228 00:11:33.360 --> 00:11:35.279 Yeah, so I, I, you know, had a lot of 229 00:11:35.279 --> 00:11:37.840 interaction with Justin Zannik because he was in the lottery 230 00:11:37.919 --> 00:11:40.399 room and we had an hour to watch the TV 231 00:11:40.519 --> 00:11:43.720 show after the lottery happened, but we're sequestered in that 232 00:11:43.799 --> 00:11:47.519 room until the TV show ends, and so yeah, I 233 00:11:47.559 --> 00:11:49.399 had a lot of time to get just Zenic's reaction 234 00:11:49.519 --> 00:11:54.799 with his shots. Disappointed, you know, and you know, was 235 00:11:55.120 --> 00:12:00.360 just kind of bewildered laster at like how unlucky they 236 00:12:00.440 --> 00:12:03.720 had gotten and kind of what had happened with the 237 00:12:03.960 --> 00:12:07.480 with the ping pong balls last night. Then you can 238 00:12:07.559 --> 00:12:09.559 you kind of get led out of this room. You 239 00:12:09.639 --> 00:12:12.720 have to grab your envelope from the table which has 240 00:12:12.759 --> 00:12:15.679 all your phone and watches and everything else in it. 241 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:20.080 And then so then I run upstairs to the ballroom 242 00:12:20.399 --> 00:12:23.759 and as I run out, it's Ryan Smith walking out 243 00:12:24.159 --> 00:12:28.759 with his family, Like clearly just stun devastated like he 244 00:12:28.879 --> 00:12:30.919 gave me. It's just a shake of his head, like 245 00:12:31.639 --> 00:12:34.879 he was distraught. I think that's the right word to say, 246 00:12:34.919 --> 00:12:37.720 as you know, was just leaving that room as quickly 247 00:12:37.720 --> 00:12:41.000 as possible where the TV studio at the filming happens. 248 00:12:42.240 --> 00:12:45.200 And then you know, saw Will Hardy for a second, 249 00:12:45.240 --> 00:12:48.919 who you know, just again was kind of disappointed, more 250 00:12:49.399 --> 00:12:53.200 silent rather than anything else. Never saw Danny Ames. And 251 00:12:53.200 --> 00:12:56.679 then after that followed Justin Zannik back to a hotel 252 00:12:56.679 --> 00:13:00.559 suite where we did the post media availability kind of 253 00:13:00.559 --> 00:13:03.799 on the record. So yeah, that's kind of what I 254 00:13:03.799 --> 00:13:06.240 experienced last night in terms of running into those guys. 255 00:13:07.039 --> 00:13:09.159 Have seen a couple of them today at the Draft 256 00:13:09.159 --> 00:13:15.000 Combine itself. But like you know, there's an understanding that like, yes, 257 00:13:15.080 --> 00:13:17.519 we prepared for worst case scenario, but we were really 258 00:13:17.559 --> 00:13:20.200 hoping best case scenario, or at least an okay case 259 00:13:20.200 --> 00:13:23.360 scenario happened last night, and worst case scenario is struck 260 00:13:23.360 --> 00:13:25.720 and a means that this starts all over again and 261 00:13:26.000 --> 00:13:29.840 is as it's not a great place to be as 262 00:13:29.840 --> 00:13:33.200 a franchise site. And they know that, all right. 263 00:13:33.080 --> 00:13:36.639 So let's dig into the number five pick and I 264 00:13:36.679 --> 00:13:40.159 suppose it depends on who you read, who you listen to. 265 00:13:40.399 --> 00:13:42.200 You know, the Athletics got a couple of guys that 266 00:13:42.240 --> 00:13:44.559 do a really good job. Gavoni over to ESPN, has 267 00:13:44.600 --> 00:13:47.840 been pretty steadfast, and his belief is that there are 268 00:13:47.879 --> 00:13:52.159 four players in order, and I don't think he's changed 269 00:13:52.159 --> 00:13:55.240 his order once and he didn't change it today. That 270 00:13:55.320 --> 00:13:58.240 are franchise changing pieces, of course, and this is according 271 00:13:58.279 --> 00:14:01.519 to to Gavoni, because you're to your point, Andy, you 272 00:14:01.600 --> 00:14:04.879 can find franchise changing pieces at forty two or wherever 273 00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:07.679 Jokic win. And you know, I can't help but think 274 00:14:07.720 --> 00:14:10.559 about the draft process for Stephen Curry, who literally was 275 00:14:10.600 --> 00:14:14.559 a generational changer. I think he went seven, so Cooper 276 00:14:14.559 --> 00:14:16.919 Flag at one, and then Dylan Harper too. 277 00:14:17.000 --> 00:14:18.519 We'll see what san Antonio does. 278 00:14:18.879 --> 00:14:20.960 Like I said, if you're the NBA, last night was 279 00:14:20.960 --> 00:14:22.759 a win because there's gonna be a lot of intrigue 280 00:14:22.759 --> 00:14:26.120 about some of these moves. Ace Bailey at three, This 281 00:14:26.240 --> 00:14:29.759 is Gavoni vj edgecumb at four. Then he has the 282 00:14:29.840 --> 00:14:33.000 Jazz taking Jeremiah Fears, a point guard out of Oklahoma. 283 00:14:33.600 --> 00:14:35.879 Trey Johnson, who can really shoot it from Texas, will 284 00:14:35.919 --> 00:14:39.159 be there, and then you get into like I get 285 00:14:39.240 --> 00:14:41.360 the jazz fan frustration. We're like, wait a second, we 286 00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:44.639 just lost almost seventy games and Kank Nipple might be 287 00:14:44.720 --> 00:14:48.279 the prize to respect, but best case scenario at five, Andy, 288 00:14:48.320 --> 00:14:52.000 in your opinion, sounds like what I've. 289 00:14:51.799 --> 00:14:54.480 Honestly got to like look at these guys and make 290 00:14:54.519 --> 00:14:57.320 a firm decision for kind of myself on who's that. 291 00:14:57.519 --> 00:14:59.519 You know, I've watched a decent amount of film and 292 00:14:59.559 --> 00:15:02.399 trying on and you know, honestly, some of that process 293 00:15:02.480 --> 00:15:04.200 is going to be talking to them tomorrow and learning 294 00:15:04.240 --> 00:15:07.159 more about their personalities. So like Ace Bailey right, like 295 00:15:07.639 --> 00:15:11.080 is a tremendous shooter, shot forty six percent on mid 296 00:15:11.159 --> 00:15:14.159 range shots last year, which is awesome, Like you know, 297 00:15:14.279 --> 00:15:16.399 to make that many of your tough mide range shots 298 00:15:17.000 --> 00:15:19.480 is star level. And then it's like, okay, but why 299 00:15:19.480 --> 00:15:22.639 did you take two hundred mid rangers last year? And 300 00:15:22.799 --> 00:15:24.200 why were you not able to get to the rim 301 00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:25.799 more often or the free throw line more often? And 302 00:15:25.840 --> 00:15:29.000 why are your turnover numbers as bad? And you know, ultimately, 303 00:15:29.120 --> 00:15:31.399 do you think that you have to be Carmelo Anthony 304 00:15:31.440 --> 00:15:35.039 in order to succeed in the NBA or are you 305 00:15:35.120 --> 00:15:37.159 willing to work on your role player skills? Are you 306 00:15:37.440 --> 00:15:41.159 willing to use your lengths and athleticism to block shots 307 00:15:41.200 --> 00:15:44.879 and defend and move the ball and be part of 308 00:15:44.919 --> 00:15:47.799 the good offense rather than just the offense. Like I'm 309 00:15:47.799 --> 00:15:49.919 excited to learn about those things when we get the 310 00:15:49.960 --> 00:15:54.120 chance to talk to them tomorrow. Vj. Edsoms is a 311 00:15:54.600 --> 00:15:57.000 better pick by a lot of draft model if you 312 00:15:57.080 --> 00:16:01.759 just look at like the statistical analysis models. You know, 313 00:16:01.879 --> 00:16:04.279 Darryl Morey in Philadelphia is gonna care a lot about 314 00:16:05.120 --> 00:16:07.720 but he's also you know, just six four and and 315 00:16:09.240 --> 00:16:11.240 is not did not have great shooting numbers in his 316 00:16:11.279 --> 00:16:13.480 freshman year. On the other hand, his block and steel 317 00:16:13.519 --> 00:16:17.559 numbers are terrific, and he also was a terrific dunker. 318 00:16:17.679 --> 00:16:21.240 So the athleticism is really popping kind of on boltons 319 00:16:21.240 --> 00:16:24.440 of floor. So that's nice. And then yeah, you know, 320 00:16:24.600 --> 00:16:27.279 I think probably those two guys are taking number three 321 00:16:27.279 --> 00:16:30.559 and number four, and then you're left with Trey Johnson. 322 00:16:31.320 --> 00:16:34.320 A good shooter, does he do the other things you 323 00:16:34.360 --> 00:16:36.519 need in order to win? Does he defense? Does he 324 00:16:36.799 --> 00:16:39.679 playmake as well as he needs to? You know, I 325 00:16:39.720 --> 00:16:41.320 think that's a real question. I think there's a real 326 00:16:41.399 --> 00:16:44.000 chance that he's like pretty Buddy Healdy in the NBA. 327 00:16:45.120 --> 00:16:48.360 And then Jeremiah Fears, who is a tiny point guard 328 00:16:48.440 --> 00:16:51.879 but is as dynamic as as it gets and put 329 00:16:51.960 --> 00:16:55.799 up some really awesome stats in his freshman year. Our 330 00:16:55.799 --> 00:16:58.519 guy Jason Batakia, and this should not be trusted at all, 331 00:16:58.720 --> 00:17:01.600 is a huge Oklahoma you know, is an Oklahoma Sooner. 332 00:17:01.879 --> 00:17:04.880 Went to you, Oh you daily guy. He says he's 333 00:17:04.960 --> 00:17:09.400 Kyrie Irving, and I'm like, dude, no, he's not. Can 334 00:17:09.599 --> 00:17:12.880 like best Casey be like Deer and Foxy? Okay, maybe 335 00:17:12.920 --> 00:17:14.400 all of a sudden I can start to see it. 336 00:17:14.519 --> 00:17:18.480 So look, you know, this is the first top five pick. 337 00:17:18.599 --> 00:17:21.440 This is spin. This is a spin Justin Zanna gave yesterday. 338 00:17:21.480 --> 00:17:23.880 But it's true. This is the first top five picked 339 00:17:23.920 --> 00:17:28.400 the Jazz I've had since twenty fourteen. And you are 340 00:17:28.440 --> 00:17:31.000 going to get a higher caliber prospect at number five 341 00:17:31.079 --> 00:17:33.400 than you were at number nine or number ten when 342 00:17:33.440 --> 00:17:35.839 you were drafting Taylor Hendricks or Cody Williams. 343 00:17:36.440 --> 00:17:39.440 So as I alluded to and talked about this off 344 00:17:39.480 --> 00:17:43.079 the top today, as a result of how this went 345 00:17:43.119 --> 00:17:47.119 down last night, there's a tremendous possibility for a lot 346 00:17:47.160 --> 00:17:50.759 of movements, a lot of players could be available. We 347 00:17:50.799 --> 00:17:53.960 already know that according to Shams, Giannis is open to 348 00:17:54.039 --> 00:17:54.599 being moved. 349 00:17:55.279 --> 00:17:57.039 By the way, it's now been verified. 350 00:17:57.119 --> 00:17:59.839 Jason Tatum did rupture hiss Achilles, so he's going to 351 00:17:59.880 --> 00:18:02.920 be out obviously for at least a year, and we'll 352 00:18:02.960 --> 00:18:05.599 see how he comes back. But you know, when you 353 00:18:05.640 --> 00:18:09.559 look at the situation in Boston, new ownership group, second 354 00:18:09.599 --> 00:18:14.759 Apron team, awesome but really expensive, and now the Tatum injury, 355 00:18:14.839 --> 00:18:17.200 there's a chance that some of those Celtics could be 356 00:18:17.200 --> 00:18:21.000 available as well. Now San Antonio is very interesting too 357 00:18:21.559 --> 00:18:24.920 because they have Daron Fox and everyone loves Dylan Harper. 358 00:18:25.000 --> 00:18:27.400 But of course tremendous redundancy to have those two on 359 00:18:27.440 --> 00:18:31.400 the same roster with a ball dominant type, you know, 360 00:18:31.519 --> 00:18:34.559 a redundant field because the two of them are somewhat similar. 361 00:18:35.160 --> 00:18:38.079 So you got San Antonio. Oklahoma City has to be 362 00:18:38.119 --> 00:18:40.400 brought up because they have a compendium of assets and 363 00:18:40.440 --> 00:18:43.759 a bunch of really good young players. The problem with 364 00:18:44.279 --> 00:18:47.680 will the Jazz get involved in any of these transactions is, yes, 365 00:18:47.720 --> 00:18:52.119 they have the capital, but other teams have similar you know, 366 00:18:52.279 --> 00:18:53.920 trade capital in their back pocket. 367 00:18:53.920 --> 00:18:55.880 But what the other teams have that the Jazz don't. 368 00:18:56.920 --> 00:18:57.640 Is okay. 369 00:18:57.680 --> 00:18:59.920 See can be like, hey, we'll give you five picks 370 00:19:00.160 --> 00:19:04.200 Jalen Williams and Chet and whatever for Giannis, and the 371 00:19:04.279 --> 00:19:06.880 Jazz don't have that package. They don't have the package 372 00:19:06.880 --> 00:19:09.279 San Antonio does. They don't have the package Houston does. 373 00:19:09.880 --> 00:19:12.160 So yes, they have the draft capital. But you know, 374 00:19:12.200 --> 00:19:14.599 what does lowry marketing really do for you? And I 375 00:19:14.599 --> 00:19:17.000 guess that you know, beauty is in the eye of 376 00:19:17.039 --> 00:19:20.640 the boulder. Is there any chance the Jazz have what 377 00:19:20.720 --> 00:19:23.720 it takes to get bold and try to get involved 378 00:19:23.759 --> 00:19:26.160 with some of these acquisitions to get better players here, 379 00:19:26.279 --> 00:19:27.960 or maybe even move up in the draft. 380 00:19:28.000 --> 00:19:28.480 What do you think? 381 00:19:30.200 --> 00:19:32.119 I mean, I think you can move up to three 382 00:19:32.160 --> 00:19:35.640 in the draft realistically, if you really want to, if 383 00:19:35.680 --> 00:19:38.480 that's meaningful to you, I think there is that opportunity. 384 00:19:38.799 --> 00:19:41.720 I don't think really number two or number one is realistic. 385 00:19:43.200 --> 00:19:48.200 I think that if you wanted to, I think Giannis 386 00:19:48.200 --> 00:19:49.880 is out of the picture. For the reasons you describe, 387 00:19:50.000 --> 00:19:53.000 you just are going to be beat by significantly better 388 00:19:53.039 --> 00:19:56.440 teams with significantly better players to trade to Milwaukee that 389 00:19:57.599 --> 00:20:02.599 are more intriguing, and all the draft assets you can want, 390 00:20:02.680 --> 00:20:05.079 you know, whether that's from Houston or o Floma City 391 00:20:05.160 --> 00:20:08.960 or San Antonio. Like, teams just can make a better package. 392 00:20:09.480 --> 00:20:12.000 Where I do think that Jazz could if they wanted 393 00:20:12.039 --> 00:20:15.279 to get into it is on kind of that next 394 00:20:15.319 --> 00:20:18.079 tier of star. So do you want to take on 395 00:20:18.200 --> 00:20:20.640 Zion Williamson and his issues? Do you want to take 396 00:20:20.640 --> 00:20:22.799 on John Morant in his issues? Do you want to 397 00:20:22.839 --> 00:20:26.000 take on Trey Young in his issues? Yeah? I think 398 00:20:26.039 --> 00:20:29.039 you can have those conversations if the Celtics decide to 399 00:20:29.079 --> 00:20:32.759 turn it around quickly or just decide they're paying Jalen 400 00:20:32.799 --> 00:20:35.680 Brown too much money. Is that an option? I can 401 00:20:35.680 --> 00:20:37.599