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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Big Loon. Sader Dick Gabriel with you

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<v Speaker 1>on a Friday, just ahead of the big day. Arkansas

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<v Speaker 1>Kentucky not as big as we thought it might be. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>we thought when the schedule was first released, everybody looked

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<v Speaker 1>to see where the Arkansas game fell on the schedule.

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<v Speaker 1>We really thought, I really believe fans media like probably

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<v Speaker 1>if you held them down, the coaches would admit they

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<v Speaker 1>really thought that this Arkansas game. And they're all tough,

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<v Speaker 1>but it would match a Kentucky team trying to fight

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<v Speaker 1>its way through the league in an Arkansas team that

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<v Speaker 1>might be contending for one of the top four spots

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<v Speaker 1>in the SEC tournament, not the championship. They weren't good enough,

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<v Speaker 1>but no, they're really struggling and they've lost their best player,

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<v Speaker 1>Boogie Flan. But as soon as they lost him, they

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<v Speaker 1>won their first conference game, the Razorbacks did. So you

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what's going to happen. Maybe they come in

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<v Speaker 1>here and throw in every shot that they put up. Doubtful,

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<v Speaker 1>but we do know it'll be dramatic. It'll be you know,

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<v Speaker 1>John Caliperry show the Return. I want you to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about that today because we talked about it yesterday and

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<v Speaker 1>it's probably even talked about enough. But Rick Patino weighed

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<v Speaker 1>in from his office up at Saint John's.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, Big Blue Nation. I didn't steer you wrong with

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<v Speaker 2>Mark Pope when I sent out that last video, and

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<v Speaker 2>I certainly won't steer you wrong with this video.

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<v Speaker 1>Toughest day of.

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<v Speaker 2>My coaching career at Louisville was when I had to

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<v Speaker 2>walk into Upperna. Tried not to show it, but when

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<v Speaker 2>I went home the reception, it taught me up apart

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<v Speaker 2>because I loved that place so much. And it's interesting

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<v Speaker 2>because I speaking and Cooley just recently about Providence and

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<v Speaker 2>he said he almost was brought to tears because of

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<v Speaker 2>the bad feelings he got going back there.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is different.

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<v Speaker 2>And as you all know, I'm not best friends with

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<v Speaker 2>John cal Perry. I respect him certainly, but it was

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<v Speaker 2>a mutual thing. The fans wanted to change John's read

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<v Speaker 2>the tea leaves. He needed a change, and he really

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<v Speaker 2>didn't want to leave. But what did he do for you?

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<v Speaker 2>He brought the best talent in the history of the

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<v Speaker 2>game of any university in America to Lexington. He also

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<v Speaker 2>won a national championship he also was his style of

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<v Speaker 2>play was extremely entertaining. So he's coming back on Saturday,

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<v Speaker 2>and I want all of you to show the great

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<v Speaker 2>class that you have, twenty three thousand plus people giving

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<v Speaker 2>him a huge standing ovation, show him what respect and

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<v Speaker 2>admiration's all about. I know you have the class I've

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<v Speaker 2>always believed in. You do it once again.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to admit I don't know why would he

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<v Speaker 1>do this. I just can't figure it out. But what

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<v Speaker 1>I think is interesting, first of all is that he

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<v Speaker 1>did it. Secondly is that he admitted how much it

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<v Speaker 1>tore him up to come back to rupp Arena with

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<v Speaker 1>U of L. He was happy at U of L,

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<v Speaker 1>but it tore him up. He said, to come to

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<v Speaker 1>rupp Aerena because of course we stuck in Boston. In

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<v Speaker 1>his brains handed to him realizing he had screwed up.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't get Tim Duncan. It's not going the way

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<v Speaker 1>he hoped. Yeah, he was rich beyond his wildest dreams,

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<v Speaker 1>but he wanted to win. Never came close in Boston.

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<v Speaker 1>Could have won, in my opinion, you'd probably agree a

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<v Speaker 1>couple more championships at Kentucky, but he screwed that up.

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<v Speaker 1>Let it all, get away, comes back, does a really

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<v Speaker 1>great job at U of l until the bitter end,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he drops this. And the other thing that

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<v Speaker 1>amazed me about this was when he said, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>basically said, you know, we're not best buddies, him and

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<v Speaker 1>John Caliperry, but to plead basically on Cali Perry's behalf.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think part of that too was he wants

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<v Speaker 1>the Big Blue Nation to be thought of in a

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<v Speaker 1>good way, and if fans just cascade Rupp Arena with Booze,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's going to reflect poorly on this place

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<v Speaker 1>that he loved so much. I thought that it's really

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<v Speaker 1>interesting because I had forgotten this when I put together

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<v Speaker 1>the documentary on the ninety six team they won the championship.

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<v Speaker 1>You remember they beat U Mass in the final four,

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<v Speaker 1>but U Mass had beaten Kentucky early in the year,

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<v Speaker 1>second or third game of the year when Patino was

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<v Speaker 1>playing Tony Delk and Jeff Shepard at the point instead

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<v Speaker 1>of Anthony Epps, and Patino later said I lost that game,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, by not playing the right people at point guard.

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<v Speaker 1>When he moved Delk to the shooting guard and Epps

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<v Speaker 1>to the point guard spot. It all fell into place.

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<v Speaker 1>But after that game and Steve Moss and wk YT

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<v Speaker 1>reminded me that we had this SoundBite in the archives.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's a young John Calipery sounding like John Calipery basically

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<v Speaker 1>telling Kentucky fans whom he would later call crazy and whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>But as the UMass coach telling Kentucky fans how they

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<v Speaker 1>are to treat their own coach. I just hold a

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<v Speaker 1>game like this.

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<v Speaker 2>The people in Kentucky don't go nuts their minds like

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<v Speaker 2>they always do and think everything's all over the world's

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<v Speaker 2>coming to it, and they've got a great basketball team.

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<v Speaker 3>They've got a great basketball coach.

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<v Speaker 2>Let him coach.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't call the radio shows and tell him what his

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<v Speaker 1>problems off. He'll figure it out.

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<v Speaker 2>Leave them alone. He's the best there is in all

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<v Speaker 2>of the profession, whether it's NBA, high school, college, whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>It is, he's the best.

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<v Speaker 1>And again, that was John Caliperry, then the UMass coach

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<v Speaker 1>back in nineteen ninety five, after his team beat the

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<v Speaker 1>Kentucky team that were going to beat them in the

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<v Speaker 1>Final four and win the national championship. He might deny

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<v Speaker 1>saying that about Rick Patino, but he certainly said it then,

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<v Speaker 1>and he already knew what to expect from Kentucky fans

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<v Speaker 1>when he got here. So it's just been interesting. I

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<v Speaker 1>heard somebody in a press conference ask Pope about the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that national pundits are telling Kentucky fans what to do.

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<v Speaker 1>I've not witnessed that, and I certainly have not said

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<v Speaker 1>anything about what people ought to do. I said, if

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<v Speaker 1>you want to do him, go right ahead. Just keep

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<v Speaker 1>in mind what he did. Why are you booing? And

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<v Speaker 1>as I told somebody the other day, I said, people

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<v Speaker 1>are booing. I think if they do because they're not

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<v Speaker 1>mad that he went to Arkansas. I don't believe because

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<v Speaker 1>Arkansas is not like Louisville or Tennessee. Yeah, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>conference team. People are still mad at him because of

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<v Speaker 1>the way he left the program, but those two bitter

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<v Speaker 1>losses in the nca Tournament from teams that should have

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<v Speaker 1>gone a lot farther. People are still angry about that

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<v Speaker 1>and have lost whatever memory they should have, in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 1>of what he did when he got here. And there

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<v Speaker 1>are people who, to me on social media have dismissed

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<v Speaker 1>what had happened here under Billy Gillespie. UK basketball had

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<v Speaker 1>disintegrated to just like being just some other also ran

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<v Speaker 1>program and Cala Perry brought it back unbelievably. Well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I screwed it up at the end, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>his fault because he's stubborn and it's hurting him now

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<v Speaker 1>at Arkansas in my opinion. But unbelievable job he did here.

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<v Speaker 1>He gave you Kim fans exactly what they wanted for

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<v Speaker 1>six years. They turn around gave him what they wanted

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<v Speaker 1>when he left and left all that money on the table.

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<v Speaker 1>So now Mark Pope's got to beat Arkansas. His team

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<v Speaker 1>needs to jump up, find a way to beat the Razorbacks.

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<v Speaker 1>Pope talked about the media and Caliperi and this and that,

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<v Speaker 1>but he said, you know, at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 1>they got a game to win.

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<v Speaker 5>At the end of the day, like, we have serious

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<v Speaker 5>work to do. You know, we're we're This league is

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<v Speaker 5>brilliant and wonderful and incredibly competitive, and every single team

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<v Speaker 5>can win every single night, and you know, everybody's dealing

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<v Speaker 5>with dynamics on their roster and injury and fatigue and

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<v Speaker 5>frustration and growth and trying to make it through to

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<v Speaker 5>position themselves in the best place they possibly can for

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<v Speaker 5>the SEC Tournament and to make a run in the postseason,

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<v Speaker 5>and and so that's what consumes most of our time.

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<v Speaker 1>As well it should. It's a nine o'clock start. Ksar

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<v Speaker 1>Boys begin at six thirty. Cameron and David seven thirty,

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<v Speaker 1>Tom and Jack with the call. Got to stay up

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit later to watch the Cats and the Razorbacks.

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<v Speaker 1>The UK women get to win last night over number

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two Alabama had to come from behind to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>They trailed after the first quarter twenty one to fifteen,

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<v Speaker 1>but then held Bama only nine points in the second

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<v Speaker 1>quarter went on to win at sixty five fifty six,

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<v Speaker 1>low scoring game. Kenny Brooks said, it was all about

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<v Speaker 6>I thought our defense was really good second thirty, fourth quarters,

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<v Speaker 6>and you know, it wasn't always the prettiest. I thought

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<v Speaker 6>we were a little bit off a little bit some

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<v Speaker 6>of the some of the balls that we normally grab

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<v Speaker 6>and secure we were tipping. But nonetheless I thought we

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<v Speaker 6>really came out. I thought Georgia was really good hand

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<v Speaker 6>those situations very well. You know, hit two big three's

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<v Speaker 6>that really gave us some separation. You know, everybody all that,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, everybody stepped up and did something.

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<v Speaker 1>Clara Strack had a double double from the middle fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>and four team Georgia Aymore outstanding sixteen points, nine assists.

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<v Speaker 1>She did have six turnovers, but played all forty minutes

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<v Speaker 1>and as you might expect, vital in Kentucky turning defense

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<v Speaker 7>I remember in the third quarter Tiani was, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>when you put in a situation where you're failing, it's

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<v Speaker 7>she let one go when she was so down on herself,

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<v Speaker 7>and she she said, like my bad, and we're like, no,

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<v Speaker 7>like it's our bad because we have to be better

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<v Speaker 7>in the gaps.

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<v Speaker 8>We have to be better in rotation.

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<v Speaker 7>So we know that one on one matchups there they're tough,

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<v Speaker 7>Like you know me a good one on one defender role,

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<v Speaker 7>they're hard to come by. So we really understand that

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<v Speaker 7>as a team effort.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it paid off as Kentucky comes back. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a winover a nationally ranked team and Wildcats go right

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<v Speaker 1>back to work. It's even tougher now on the road

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<v Speaker 1>Sunday at Oklahoma, ranked number thirteen. Right now, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>four o'clock star. Darren Hedricks broadcast begins at three forty

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<v Speaker 1>five with the pregame show and then the Wildcats and

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<v Speaker 1>the Sooner. They have played four times, Kentucky winning three,

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<v Speaker 1>but this is the first time they've played since twenty seventeen.

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<v Speaker 1>But again, this is the first time they will play

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<v Speaker 1>as conference rivals, and this might be the best Oklahoma

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<v Speaker 1>team that Kentucky will have faced. Up next, a relative

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<v Speaker 1>of a former NFL official does think the league is rigged.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll talk about that bottom of the hour. Daryl Bird

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<v Speaker 1>of the Cats Paws. He's written a book about Travis

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<v Speaker 1>us a little bit later on here on the Big

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<v Speaker 1>Boone Sider six thirty WLAP Welcome Back coming up in

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<v Speaker 1>just a few minutes. Daryl Bird of the Cats Paws

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<v Speaker 1>would tell us all about his book on Travis Perry

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<v Speaker 1>and Lion County called Lion Pride. Will also talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the Wild Kats in the Arkansas game. Daryl was at

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<v Speaker 1>both the Vandy and the Tennessee games, but we'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>first about his book because he started doing the stories

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<v Speaker 1>and reporting on and just getting to know the Lion

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<v Speaker 1>County community all during their run to the Sweet sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>championship last year. So now he's got a book out

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<v Speaker 1>non disclosure agreement when he left the league office, stating

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<v Speaker 1>He said, we grew up in the same household. By

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<v Speaker 1>And one basketball official can do that. Now, in a

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<v Speaker 1>You see that all the time, more than one official

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<v Speaker 1>to say the league is rigged, if you want to believe,

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<v Speaker 1>tearing people saying, well, the league doesn't want Kentucky to win.

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<v Speaker 1>Roy Kramer, the commissioner, make sure Kentucky doesn't win. I

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<v Speaker 1>heard that one more than once, and I checked it out.

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<v Speaker 1>Roy Kramer at the time was making six hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and of course I had a golden parachute. He was

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<v Speaker 1>and I remember one week in the middle of it all,

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<v Speaker 1>that officials at the behest of the NCAAA quote that big,

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<v Speaker 1>forgetting about the fact that when it comes to college basketball,

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<v Speaker 1>The enormity of Kentucky basketball is exactly why. If you're

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<v Speaker 1>in the tournament and alive as long as it's feasibly possible,

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<v Speaker 1>because it brings eyeballs. It brings ratings. All the big

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<v Speaker 1>it with tiny fan but even Florida Basketball, for all

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<v Speaker 1>the brand names that bring the eyeballs. North Carolina is

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<v Speaker 1>that's gonna hurt ratings because even if you're not a

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<v Speaker 1>Do they tune into see you hoping they might lose? Maybe,

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<v Speaker 1>but they tune in, don't matter why that brings the eyeballs,

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<v Speaker 1>that brings the ratings, that brings the money. Not instantly,

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<v Speaker 1>investigation going on right now about unusual betting patterns surrounding

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<v Speaker 1>Not the FBI. They don't get they don't jump intil later,

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<v Speaker 1>and certainly not the NCAA. Again, that was one of

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<v Speaker 1>thirty Welcome back to the Big Moonsider. Joining us now

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<v Speaker 1>is the editor of The Cat's Balls, a long time

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<v Speaker 1>friend of the show, Darryl Bird, who covered both the

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<v Speaker 1>But I want to talk for Darryl, and we have

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<v Speaker 1>sign and all that. You've become kind of the Travis

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<v Speaker 1>a book out there about the Lion County. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>would you consider that a Cinderella story. It's a tiny school,

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, what a great team. You're right, you have the

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<v Speaker 9>ultimate Cinderella story. To think that three best friends from

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<v Speaker 9>kindergarten on in far western Kentucky and a school with

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<v Speaker 9>win the state tournament. And yeah, definitely sendery. I had

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<v Speaker 9>them At one point, I said, I'm I got curious.

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<v Speaker 9>I called the ad to Lion County. I said, just

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<v Speaker 9>for me, how many boys in the senior class?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 10>This year?

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<v Speaker 9>Thirty seven? Wow, I about fell over.

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<v Speaker 9>Thirty seven boys?

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<v Speaker 1>That is so cool. It's called Lion Pride. Oh yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's called Lion Pride Ohio n And of course

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<v Speaker 1>it I don't think the story starts with the state

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<v Speaker 1>championship in March twenty third, as you said, It starts

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<v Speaker 1>so many years prior to that, doesn't.

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<v Speaker 9>It started in kindergarten. It's when they all started in kindergarten.

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<v Speaker 9>All three came together officially in the second grade on

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<v Speaker 9>to see. But yeah, that's that's it follows. The story

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<v Speaker 9>follows from their first meeting kindergarten all the way through

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<v Speaker 9>the championship at Reparino last year. And you and I

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<v Speaker 9>talked the last time, Yeah, and it was just pure

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<v Speaker 9>dumb luck on my part that I needed a story

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<v Speaker 9>for the basketball year book two years ago, so I

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<v Speaker 9>went down there that summer to do a feature on

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<v Speaker 9>Travis Perry for the high school section. You just broke

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<v Speaker 9>in King Kelly's record and I wasn't there fifteen minutes,

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<v Speaker 9>and I'm like, oh, my goodness, this is so much

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<v Speaker 9>bigger than Travis Perry and some record. And you just

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<v Speaker 9>the more you went around town, You're like, this place

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<v Speaker 9>is consumed in a very good way. They are consumed

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<v Speaker 9>with this basketball team. And ended up just following it

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<v Speaker 9>and then going to Whalen and then here they go,

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<v Speaker 9>as this state would have it, UK gets knocked out

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<v Speaker 9>the Sweet sixteen, and of course after that, I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 9>at Eddie Well. I got to go to the high

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<v Speaker 9>up making four or five trips down and I said,

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<v Speaker 9>this has to be I've always wanted to write a book,

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<v Speaker 9>and this seemed like the perfect time to make a

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<v Speaker 1>Really, this is your first Yes, Wow.

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<v Speaker 9>I've written. I told somebody I've probably written enough to

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<v Speaker 9>pull a library. Yeah, never have written a book. And

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<v Speaker 9>it is the hardest thing you will ever matchine, It

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<v Speaker 9>is so hard to do, and like, where do you start?

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<v Speaker 10>How do you do it? Justice?

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<v Speaker 9>Oh my gosh, yeah, drive you crazy, and you work

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<v Speaker 9>go back and it's like, wow, I haven't been on

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta yeah.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, it was. It was worthy.

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<v Speaker 1>But at least with this story, there's a built in timeline,

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<v Speaker 1>as you said, starting with whatever year they were in

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<v Speaker 1>second grade. And the story's so happening with Travis at

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<v Speaker 1>UK of course, but we're not supposed to root for

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<v Speaker 1>teams when we cover events, right, But who could blame

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<v Speaker 1>you for root? Like hell for Lion County and a

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<v Speaker 9>What a story, and it has touched so many people.

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<v Speaker 9>I've heard people who did not know Lion County existed

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<v Speaker 9>but loved it because of the personal stories and also

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<v Speaker 9>because how many of us out there can relate to

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<v Speaker 9>I went to a small county school. We never had

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<v Speaker 9>a prayer getting out of the district, in getting to

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<v Speaker 9>the state and I mean it's like everybody just jumped

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 9>I remember asking the kids that after they on the tournament,

421
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<v Speaker 9>I said, you, do you have any idea how many

422
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<v Speaker 9>people are celebrating with you right now? How many people

423
00:23:06.480 --> 00:23:10.720
<v Speaker 9>went to small county schools who never got clothes, who

424
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<v Speaker 9>are just rejoicing with you? And I think to a

425
00:23:13.440 --> 00:23:16.440
<v Speaker 9>degree they did. But Ryan Perry was sitting up, their

426
00:23:16.559 --> 00:23:18.440
<v Speaker 9>coach was sitting over. He's just got a big smile.

427
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<v Speaker 4>We know, we know.

428
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, in Lion County, is it not the smallest county

429
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<v Speaker 1>in the state.

430
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<v Speaker 9>I don't know that.

431
00:23:29.039 --> 00:23:30.400
<v Speaker 4>There's only eight thousands.

432
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<v Speaker 9>It's very small. They couldn't they could have brought everybody

433
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<v Speaker 9>out of Eddyville not filled the lower bullet breenda that

434
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<v Speaker 9>night for the championship.

435
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<v Speaker 1>Well, my friend Kirk Child's coach there, and that's when

436
00:23:43.759 --> 00:23:47.039
<v Speaker 1>I first really became aware of Lion County. Went on

437
00:23:47.079 --> 00:23:49.119
<v Speaker 1>to coach at Marshall County and Henry Clay, two of

438
00:23:49.160 --> 00:23:54.240
<v Speaker 1>the big schools. But and now everybody knows about Lyon.

439
00:23:54.119 --> 00:23:59.240
<v Speaker 9>County and I got it just it just fell into place.

440
00:23:59.279 --> 00:24:00.839
<v Speaker 9>So for I mean, I remember talking to you and

441
00:24:00.880 --> 00:24:03.680
<v Speaker 9>you you were getting talking to how I had the

442
00:24:03.960 --> 00:24:08.279
<v Speaker 9>pleasure or the the good fortune to kind of come

443
00:24:08.319 --> 00:24:10.759
<v Speaker 9>full circle. Went down there to do a story on

444
00:24:10.839 --> 00:24:14.319
<v Speaker 9>Travis and ended up following it all the way through

445
00:24:14.359 --> 00:24:16.799
<v Speaker 9>to its conclusion, just the way it worked. But the

446
00:24:16.839 --> 00:24:22.319
<v Speaker 9>personal stories are Travis, You've got the whole dynamic of

447
00:24:22.359 --> 00:24:24.799
<v Speaker 9>growing up playing for your dad, which has its own

448
00:24:25.119 --> 00:24:29.079
<v Speaker 9>interesting dynamics. Jackie Reddick, the point guard who's at Florida

449
00:24:29.079 --> 00:24:32.960
<v Speaker 9>Gulf Coast his father passed away from cancer, was a freshman,

450
00:24:33.599 --> 00:24:36.680
<v Speaker 9>and how that whole team and community kind of wrapped

451
00:24:36.680 --> 00:24:40.119
<v Speaker 9>around him and protected him during that. And then Brady's Shoulders,

452
00:24:40.119 --> 00:24:42.400
<v Speaker 9>who's doing really well at Mercer. He started after his

453
00:24:42.440 --> 00:24:46.160
<v Speaker 9>third game, I think, and I said, wait a minute,

454
00:24:46.160 --> 00:24:51.599
<v Speaker 9>what his grandfather. There's a giant coal miner statue in Princeton,

455
00:24:51.880 --> 00:24:58.200
<v Speaker 9>Kentucky's providence. It's Bray's grandfather. Wow, Like you've got to

456
00:24:58.240 --> 00:25:01.920
<v Speaker 9>be kidding me. Got to dive into that whole the

457
00:25:01.960 --> 00:25:04.599
<v Speaker 9>family dynamic theory. Worked in the Coolema for forty three

458
00:25:04.680 --> 00:25:08.759
<v Speaker 9>years and he was at every game Lyon County played.

459
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<v Speaker 9>But he got cancer. He died right before the start

460
00:25:11.680 --> 00:25:15.160
<v Speaker 9>of the champions Law. Yeah, Yeah, that's a heartbreaker.

461
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. You know, there's so many very cool, so many

462
00:25:20.599 --> 00:25:25.000
<v Speaker 1>peripheral stories. You know, there's an expression this stuff rights itself. Well,

463
00:25:25.039 --> 00:25:28.839
<v Speaker 1>no it doesn't. It's a lot of work. But Darryl

464
00:25:29.000 --> 00:25:31.319
<v Speaker 1>put into the book Lion Pride. We're talking with Darryl

465
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<v Speaker 1>Bird of the Cat's Balls. And I remember when I

466
00:25:33.839 --> 00:25:37.720
<v Speaker 1>first started hearing about Travis Perry and his stats, his numbers,

467
00:25:38.359 --> 00:25:41.720
<v Speaker 1>and you know, and this is no disrespect, I immediately

468
00:25:41.759 --> 00:25:45.000
<v Speaker 1>thought about Irvin's step And Irvin was the kid at

469
00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:48.519
<v Speaker 1>Phelps who averaged fifty a game and was making national headlines.

470
00:25:49.119 --> 00:25:52.160
<v Speaker 1>And you know it was a great shooter, a great score,

471
00:25:52.880 --> 00:25:57.000
<v Speaker 1>not the greatest player, but he was in a situation

472
00:25:57.160 --> 00:25:59.799
<v Speaker 1>his brother was coaching him, and honestly, that's what they

473
00:26:00.119 --> 00:26:02.559
<v Speaker 1>needed from him in order to try to win games.

474
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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

475
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<v Speaker 1>And I know Lion County did too, But I'm watching

476
00:26:05.519 --> 00:26:10.519
<v Speaker 1>Lion County in the state tournament and Travis was not

477
00:26:10.960 --> 00:26:13.839
<v Speaker 1>as much a facilitator as he was a scorer because

478
00:26:13.880 --> 00:26:17.519
<v Speaker 1>they needed him to score, but he did help other

479
00:26:17.559 --> 00:26:20.519
<v Speaker 1>guys score. And we're seeing that now at Kentucky. People

480
00:26:20.559 --> 00:26:23.480
<v Speaker 1>I think were surprised to hear Mark Pope describe him

481
00:26:23.480 --> 00:26:24.799
<v Speaker 1>as a point guard, you know what I mean?

482
00:26:25.160 --> 00:26:28.720
<v Speaker 9>Yes, yeah, because he didn't officially play the point at Lyon,

483
00:26:28.799 --> 00:26:30.880
<v Speaker 9>but yes, he was heavily involved in that.

484
00:26:31.240 --> 00:26:34.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Did you think about that, Like, here's a kid

485
00:26:34.519 --> 00:26:36.960
<v Speaker 1>playing for his dad, score all these points. Dad wants

486
00:26:36.960 --> 00:26:39.799
<v Speaker 1>his kid to score all these points, and yet that's

487
00:26:39.839 --> 00:26:41.759
<v Speaker 1>honestly what was best for the team, right.

488
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

489
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<v Speaker 9>Before I ever went down there, you do get You've

490
00:26:46.119 --> 00:26:47.720
<v Speaker 9>heard so many of these scores, a lot of them

491
00:26:47.720 --> 00:26:50.279
<v Speaker 9>come out of the Eastern Kentucky Mountains. Get there fifty

492
00:26:50.279 --> 00:26:53.160
<v Speaker 9>a game and you get down there and you realize

493
00:26:53.200 --> 00:26:55.640
<v Speaker 9>it's just about scoring, and the team's not that good

494
00:26:55.680 --> 00:26:58.599
<v Speaker 9>and they do what they can, but they're just never

495
00:26:58.640 --> 00:27:01.759
<v Speaker 9>going to get very far out of the postseason. Yeah,

496
00:27:01.799 --> 00:27:05.079
<v Speaker 9>and you get down there and it's like, oh, they're good.

497
00:27:06.039 --> 00:27:07.599
<v Speaker 9>They're really good in a lot of a lot of

498
00:27:07.640 --> 00:27:09.680
<v Speaker 9>different ways. These How do you endo a three D

499
00:27:09.880 --> 00:27:12.960
<v Speaker 9>one scholarship out of a school with two hundred and

500
00:27:13.000 --> 00:27:13.559
<v Speaker 9>eighty five.

501
00:27:13.519 --> 00:27:15.480
<v Speaker 1>Kids and they knew how to play?

502
00:27:15.519 --> 00:27:20.240
<v Speaker 9>It's yeah, and they have been doing it from the beginning.

503
00:27:20.279 --> 00:27:22.119
<v Speaker 9>They traveled all over the place. And I remember talking

504
00:27:22.160 --> 00:27:24.640
<v Speaker 9>to Ryan one boy, and he said, for us as

505
00:27:24.680 --> 00:27:26.200
<v Speaker 9>long as they played well, we can care. It was

506
00:27:26.279 --> 00:27:29.319
<v Speaker 9>never about chasing trophies on an a U circuit. Did

507
00:27:29.319 --> 00:27:31.400
<v Speaker 9>we get a little better, he said, well, no matter

508
00:27:31.400 --> 00:27:33.480
<v Speaker 9>what tournament we go to. Once they got a little older,

509
00:27:33.559 --> 00:27:36.400
<v Speaker 9>he said, I requested the hardest pool that they had,

510
00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:40.119
<v Speaker 9>really because I wanted they wanted to push them to

511
00:27:40.119 --> 00:27:43.079
<v Speaker 9>get better, and didn't matter if they won one, loss

512
00:27:43.119 --> 00:27:45.079
<v Speaker 9>or drawl, you know, just just get better because of

513
00:27:45.119 --> 00:27:48.839
<v Speaker 9>the level of the competition. And it sure paid off,

514
00:27:49.240 --> 00:27:49.759
<v Speaker 9>no doubt.

515
00:27:50.279 --> 00:27:52.880
<v Speaker 1>In the synopsis of the book that's on Amazon where

516
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<v Speaker 1>you can find it, by the Way Lion Pride, Yo

517
00:27:55.440 --> 00:28:00.400
<v Speaker 1>and Pride, the coach player relationship of the Perrys is

518
00:28:00.880 --> 00:28:06.319
<v Speaker 1>described as tricky without giving away the store, how tricky

519
00:28:06.359 --> 00:28:06.920
<v Speaker 1>did it get?

520
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<v Speaker 9>Trickiest parts were when he Travis said, when he was

521
00:28:13.039 --> 00:28:15.160
<v Speaker 9>middle school, which is you know, that's when most kids

522
00:28:15.160 --> 00:28:20.880
<v Speaker 9>are not head and he said, he said, when you're young,

523
00:28:21.799 --> 00:28:24.119
<v Speaker 9>you're professor, You're trying to do your best. Things aren't

524
00:28:24.119 --> 00:28:26.799
<v Speaker 9>going your way. You get mad, you get angry. Who

525
00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:28.200
<v Speaker 9>are you going to take it out? You give it

526
00:28:28.240 --> 00:28:30.880
<v Speaker 9>to your dad? He said. The problem is I was

527
00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:32.960
<v Speaker 9>giving it to my dad during the game, and I

528
00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:35.759
<v Speaker 9>take some stupid shot. He'd throw that advisor across the

529
00:28:35.799 --> 00:28:39.279
<v Speaker 9>floor and I'd have it was my job. I had

530
00:28:39.279 --> 00:28:41.880
<v Speaker 9>to walk over, pick up the visor, walk it over,

531
00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:45.160
<v Speaker 9>hand it to him, and basically apologize to get back

532
00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:47.559
<v Speaker 9>out there. And he said this. I thought this struck

533
00:28:47.599 --> 00:28:50.160
<v Speaker 9>with me pretty good. He said, you know, I did

534
00:28:50.200 --> 00:28:53.119
<v Speaker 9>that over and over and over, and finally, when I'm

535
00:28:53.160 --> 00:28:54.799
<v Speaker 9>sitting down there at the end of the bench, I'm

536
00:28:54.839 --> 00:28:59.079
<v Speaker 9>realizing this ain't gonna work. I clawed Ryan Perry for said,

537
00:28:59.079 --> 00:29:01.000
<v Speaker 9>I don't care how good you are, you're not going

538
00:29:01.079 --> 00:29:02.680
<v Speaker 9>to follow this. Go sit down there at the end

539
00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:04.000
<v Speaker 9>and we'll just play with what we got.

540
00:29:04.200 --> 00:29:04.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

541
00:29:04.839 --> 00:29:07.000
<v Speaker 9>And he did that more than once. And Travis said,

542
00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:08.559
<v Speaker 9>you know, by the time senior year, it just took

543
00:29:08.599 --> 00:29:10.480
<v Speaker 9>a look. I look, I take a shot and look

544
00:29:10.519 --> 00:29:12.359
<v Speaker 9>over the bench, and I knew by his expression, whether

545
00:29:13.119 --> 00:29:13.680
<v Speaker 9>good or bad.

546
00:29:14.119 --> 00:29:14.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

547
00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:15.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but that.

548
00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:19.640
<v Speaker 9>Whole dynamic, he said, the hardest it said. It's in

549
00:29:19.799 --> 00:29:22.119
<v Speaker 9>Travis told me. He said, it's so unfair in high school,

550
00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:24.880
<v Speaker 9>no matter which team it is, if they lost the game,

551
00:29:24.960 --> 00:29:28.680
<v Speaker 9>it's the coach's fault. It's always the coach's fault. And

552
00:29:28.720 --> 00:29:31.200
<v Speaker 9>he said, I'm out there, I can have a say

553
00:29:31.200 --> 00:29:32.599
<v Speaker 9>in this. So I am trying as hard as I

554
00:29:32.599 --> 00:29:35.240
<v Speaker 9>can to make sure we don't lose A because they

555
00:29:35.240 --> 00:29:37.640
<v Speaker 9>won't blame he said, because they won't blame my dad

556
00:29:38.119 --> 00:29:39.920
<v Speaker 9>and B so I don't have to ride home in

557
00:29:39.960 --> 00:29:41.680
<v Speaker 9>the car with Dad after the loss.

558
00:29:44.759 --> 00:29:48.319
<v Speaker 1>Oh man, you know, I'm flashing back on stories you

559
00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:52.039
<v Speaker 1>hear about guys who played for their dads, and you know,

560
00:29:52.079 --> 00:29:53.720
<v Speaker 1>when they get home, he's still got to take out

561
00:29:53.720 --> 00:29:55.720
<v Speaker 1>the trash, no matter how big a story of a

562
00:29:55.799 --> 00:29:59.559
<v Speaker 1>star they are. And I remember I was interviewing Corey Edmund,

563
00:30:00.039 --> 00:30:02.920
<v Speaker 1>who is a strength and conditioning coach at Kentucky and

564
00:30:02.960 --> 00:30:06.240
<v Speaker 1>the father of Leah Edmund, who arguably is the best

565
00:30:06.359 --> 00:30:10.319
<v Speaker 1>player in the history of the UK volleyball program. And

566
00:30:11.240 --> 00:30:13.599
<v Speaker 1>you know, and I was talking to him about his

567
00:30:13.759 --> 00:30:16.200
<v Speaker 1>daughter and I said something about her being a great athlete,

568
00:30:16.319 --> 00:30:19.240
<v Speaker 1>and he interrupted me. She is not a great athlete,

569
00:30:19.359 --> 00:30:21.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, And he starts talking about all the things

570
00:30:21.279 --> 00:30:23.680
<v Speaker 1>she needed. This is before she had graduated. I thinks

571
00:30:23.720 --> 00:30:26.880
<v Speaker 1>she needed to work on this and that I'm thinking, Man,

572
00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:28.920
<v Speaker 1>that's got to be tough. And he she wasn't even

573
00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:33.279
<v Speaker 1>playing for dad, but he was her strength and conditioning coach.

574
00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:36.680
<v Speaker 1>So dads see things differently, don't they.

575
00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:39.920
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, But it was a little different with Travis and

576
00:30:40.039 --> 00:30:43.559
<v Speaker 9>Ryan because Ryan said if Travis didn't have a good game,

577
00:30:43.799 --> 00:30:46.039
<v Speaker 9>he never said a word. Because Travis would go out

578
00:30:46.079 --> 00:30:49.160
<v Speaker 9>to the garage at one o'clock in the morning shooting wow,

579
00:30:49.359 --> 00:30:52.480
<v Speaker 9>one two o'clock after especially after a loss. He's the

580
00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:56.519
<v Speaker 9>we all know how competitive once you get to hear

581
00:30:56.599 --> 00:31:01.480
<v Speaker 9>some of the coolest backstories. Two things with Travis that

582
00:31:01.599 --> 00:31:05.400
<v Speaker 9>really stuck out to me about his competitiveness. And I

583
00:31:05.400 --> 00:31:08.880
<v Speaker 9>think Ryan said in sixth grade he took over as

584
00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:12.000
<v Speaker 9>the middle school coach, he said, and we decided, or

585
00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:16.319
<v Speaker 9>I decided, we're going to jump rope for conditioning, he said.

586
00:31:16.359 --> 00:31:19.480
<v Speaker 9>And Travis could not jump rope to save his life,

587
00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:22.359
<v Speaker 9>he said. He he tripped everybody. He could about three,

588
00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:24.839
<v Speaker 9>any trip, get about three, any trip. Couldn't do it,

589
00:31:25.480 --> 00:31:28.720
<v Speaker 9>he said. So they're home, he said, and I'm he said,

590
00:31:28.720 --> 00:31:31.599
<v Speaker 9>I'm like, what is that three o'clock in the morning,

591
00:31:31.640 --> 00:31:34.039
<v Speaker 9>Travis is out in the driveway jumping rope.

592
00:31:34.359 --> 00:31:34.680
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

593
00:31:34.799 --> 00:31:35.119
<v Speaker 10>He said.

594
00:31:35.559 --> 00:31:37.519
<v Speaker 9>By the next day at school, he could out jump,

595
00:31:37.640 --> 00:31:38.640
<v Speaker 9>He could jump rope better than.

596
00:31:38.599 --> 00:31:39.599
<v Speaker 10>Anybody on the team.

597
00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:43.359
<v Speaker 9>By the morning that's how competitive. He said, he just

598
00:31:43.400 --> 00:31:47.119
<v Speaker 9>could not tolerate not being able to jump rope. That

599
00:31:47.119 --> 00:31:51.640
<v Speaker 9>that's what he did. Yeah, isn't that amazing? Yet, there's

600
00:31:51.680 --> 00:31:53.720
<v Speaker 9>all kinds there's all kinds of stories like that.

601
00:31:54.599 --> 00:31:56.599
<v Speaker 1>We'll take a break. We're talking with Darryl Bird of

602
00:31:56.680 --> 00:31:59.279
<v Speaker 1>the Cats Paws. He has written a book about not

603
00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:02.480
<v Speaker 1>just Travis Perry, what about Lion County's run to the

604
00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:06.880
<v Speaker 1>Sweet sixteen championship called Lion Pride, and Darrel's been busy

605
00:32:06.920 --> 00:32:08.759
<v Speaker 1>covering the Cats. We'll talk about that on the other

606
00:32:08.799 --> 00:32:10.400
<v Speaker 1>side of the break. Here, Welcome back to the Big

607
00:32:10.440 --> 00:32:14.240
<v Speaker 1>Moonsider coming up tomorrow. It's UK Arkansas. But I wanted

608
00:32:14.279 --> 00:32:16.599
<v Speaker 1>to talk to Darryl about both the Vandy and the

609
00:32:16.880 --> 00:32:20.400
<v Speaker 1>Knoxville trips you made. I've made many of them, as

610
00:32:20.440 --> 00:32:23.799
<v Speaker 1>you know, so have you through your career. The Vandy

611
00:32:23.799 --> 00:32:26.359
<v Speaker 1>game was just I felt like a bit of an

612
00:32:26.359 --> 00:32:30.240
<v Speaker 1>aberration for this Kentucky team. But I am still amazed

613
00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:34.359
<v Speaker 1>how they got out of Knoxville with a win. Tennessee

614
00:32:34.400 --> 00:32:38.400
<v Speaker 1>I think helped by continually jacking up threes. It's just

615
00:32:38.440 --> 00:32:42.079
<v Speaker 1>the way Pope cobbled that game plan together. I thought

616
00:32:42.160 --> 00:32:46.400
<v Speaker 1>was maybe the most impressive win of the year, no doubt.

617
00:32:46.440 --> 00:32:51.880
<v Speaker 9>I was stunned. I went down there where fully believing they're.

618
00:32:51.640 --> 00:32:52.359
<v Speaker 10>Losing this game.

619
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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, you just on the very surface, you cannot take

620
00:32:57.119 --> 00:33:01.200
<v Speaker 9>away Lamont Butler. When you have to play against the Kayziegler,

621
00:33:01.759 --> 00:33:04.559
<v Speaker 9>he's gonna have he's gonna have somebody like we were

622
00:33:04.599 --> 00:33:06.359
<v Speaker 9>laughing for the game. He's gonna have a double double

623
00:33:06.440 --> 00:33:09.799
<v Speaker 9>twenty assistant, twenty steels. He's just he's gonna go nuts

624
00:33:09.839 --> 00:33:11.720
<v Speaker 9>on you if you don't have Lamant to slow him down.

625
00:33:12.440 --> 00:33:15.359
<v Speaker 9>And you know, right at the very beginning, oh smart move, Mark,

626
00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:18.279
<v Speaker 9>he put Jackson Robinson on him, put a tall player

627
00:33:18.319 --> 00:33:21.240
<v Speaker 9>on him to make it difficult. Yeah, that there's no

628
00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:24.200
<v Speaker 9>you take him away. You take Afo Andrew Car away.

629
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<v Speaker 9>I mean I wrote about a little bit. You started

630
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<v Speaker 9>with nine veterans, now you got six, got six veterans

631
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<v Speaker 9>and three freshmen. And you went down there into Tennessee

632
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<v Speaker 9>and everybody was here around here was like, oh my gosh,

633
00:33:36.160 --> 00:33:38.359
<v Speaker 9>you case lost to in a row. So had Tennessee.

634
00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:40.920
<v Speaker 9>Tennessee desperately needed to win that game.

635
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<v Speaker 5>Home.

636
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<v Speaker 9>You said you're going home. They don't have Butler and

637
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<v Speaker 9>car Yeah, this could be a route and they just

638
00:33:47.519 --> 00:33:51.000
<v Speaker 9>I wasn't. I was impressed and as much impressed late

639
00:33:51.039 --> 00:33:53.000
<v Speaker 9>in the game because they kept building out to like

640
00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:55.759
<v Speaker 9>a seven eight point lead in Tennessee would cut it back.

641
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<v Speaker 9>They get out Tennessee and there was one point where

642
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<v Speaker 9>they got it down to three. It was deafening in there.

643
00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:04.920
<v Speaker 9>It was, I know, rupfereno big Nation loves to you know,

644
00:34:05.200 --> 00:34:07.279
<v Speaker 9>look at us inside ruffle kind of loud it is.

645
00:34:07.720 --> 00:34:10.679
<v Speaker 9>It was that loud you couldn't hear yourself thinking they're

646
00:34:10.719 --> 00:34:13.239
<v Speaker 9>trying to come up full court press being put on.

647
00:34:13.280 --> 00:34:15.280
<v Speaker 9>They're trying to hang on her dear life at the end,

648
00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:17.840
<v Speaker 9>and they handled it. I was I was stunned and

649
00:34:17.960 --> 00:34:19.400
<v Speaker 9>pressed and stunned.

650
00:34:19.119 --> 00:34:21.400
<v Speaker 1>At that point when it was at its loudest, didn't

651
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<v Speaker 1>somebody throw in a three.

652
00:34:25.280 --> 00:34:27.760
<v Speaker 10>Something like that, something like that.

653
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<v Speaker 9>They responded, Yeah, I know, Trent Noah's was big, and

654
00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:34.119
<v Speaker 9>Kobe Brays all Kobe's were, oh, yeah, we're huge.

655
00:34:34.719 --> 00:34:35.039
<v Speaker 10>But yeah.

656
00:34:35.639 --> 00:34:38.840
<v Speaker 9>Mark's strategy was just he was dead on put Jackson

657
00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:40.480
<v Speaker 9>and Jackson was I don't know if he showed on

658
00:34:40.519 --> 00:34:43.559
<v Speaker 9>TV whole about the last ten minutes. He was cramping

659
00:34:44.119 --> 00:34:46.159
<v Speaker 9>every time there was a break. He's stretching as much

660
00:34:46.199 --> 00:34:48.039
<v Speaker 9>as he can. He was just wearing out, trying to

661
00:34:48.039 --> 00:34:49.079
<v Speaker 9>hang with They.

662
00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:52.920
<v Speaker 1>Showed that when he was about to shoot free throws. Yeah,

663
00:34:53.199 --> 00:34:56.480
<v Speaker 1>they didn't mention, but they said, yeah, he's he's trying to,

664
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<v Speaker 1>you know, stay a whole.

665
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<v Speaker 9>And he was absolutely and that and there was no

666
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<v Speaker 9>talk of like I look up and like Kennessey's taking

667
00:35:05.519 --> 00:35:05.960
<v Speaker 9>forty three.

668
00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:06.719
<v Speaker 11>It's what they done.

669
00:35:07.039 --> 00:35:10.599
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, and I heard Coach Pope and Rick Barnes both

670
00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:15.360
<v Speaker 9>say the same thing. Mark basically said, yeah, but we

671
00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:18.320
<v Speaker 9>we purposely wanted some of those guys taking it. Basically

672
00:35:18.639 --> 00:35:21.559
<v Speaker 9>we wanted those guys. And Rick Barnes heard on his

673
00:35:21.639 --> 00:35:23.559
<v Speaker 9>radio show when I walk back out, he's talking about, Yeah,

674
00:35:23.599 --> 00:35:26.760
<v Speaker 9>we basically we had the wrong guys taking the shots

675
00:35:27.400 --> 00:35:30.000
<v Speaker 9>and they were there. So there was a smart move

676
00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:33.719
<v Speaker 9>on Mark. And then two let Amari bring the ball

677
00:35:33.760 --> 00:35:34.079
<v Speaker 9>up again?

678
00:35:34.159 --> 00:35:35.639
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, that.

679
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<v Speaker 9>Was the Yeah, you don't have Laman who's going to

680
00:35:38.159 --> 00:35:41.039
<v Speaker 9>bring it up for you. Let's Tennessee's Center see if

681
00:35:41.039 --> 00:35:42.119
<v Speaker 9>he can flow down the prail.

682
00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:44.239
<v Speaker 1>Did that remind you at all because it should in

683
00:35:44.360 --> 00:35:46.440
<v Speaker 1>me if Sam Bowie bringing the ball up the floor

684
00:35:46.480 --> 00:35:47.840
<v Speaker 1>back in the day, Yeah.

685
00:35:47.840 --> 00:35:49.960
<v Speaker 9>I hadn't thought about it, but yeah I did, now

686
00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:50.639
<v Speaker 9>that you mention it.

687
00:35:50.840 --> 00:35:55.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and especially against Georgetown in the final four and

688
00:35:55.800 --> 00:35:58.880
<v Speaker 1>eighty four, because I remember thinking, I don't think Kentucky

689
00:35:58.920 --> 00:36:00.880
<v Speaker 1>can be Georgetown, because I don't know that they can

690
00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:04.119
<v Speaker 1>handle the pressure of the guards bringing the ball off

691
00:36:04.159 --> 00:36:06.440
<v Speaker 1>the floor. I was there in Seattle. You might have been,

692
00:36:06.920 --> 00:36:09.119
<v Speaker 1>and the first time Bowie brought the ball up the floor,

693
00:36:09.159 --> 00:36:12.960
<v Speaker 1>I said, of course, Sam brings the ball up and

694
00:36:12.960 --> 00:36:16.079
<v Speaker 1>there's you in waiting on him at half cor lighting. Okay,

695
00:36:16.119 --> 00:36:18.440
<v Speaker 1>I'll cover you right here, you know, And the same

696
00:36:18.480 --> 00:36:19.960
<v Speaker 1>thing happens in Knoxville, didn't it.

697
00:36:20.440 --> 00:36:22.079
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, it was a very very smart move.

698
00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:24.039
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, very unoppressed.

699
00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:26.639
<v Speaker 9>They they only had nine players that they got contribution.

700
00:36:27.519 --> 00:36:30.519
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I had to have it.

701
00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:33.760
<v Speaker 9>And yeah, that was that was impressive. And because I

702
00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:36.639
<v Speaker 9>freely admit I did not see it, coming out with

703
00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:40.039
<v Speaker 9>trouble well and bringing circle three game, losing Street, coming

704
00:36:40.039 --> 00:36:40.639
<v Speaker 9>to Arkan flo.

705
00:36:41.599 --> 00:36:45.320
<v Speaker 1>And bringing in full circle. Uh, Travis played well, and

706
00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:47.559
<v Speaker 1>so did Trent know it may be more so than

707
00:36:47.599 --> 00:36:48.239
<v Speaker 1>Travis did.

708
00:36:49.039 --> 00:36:49.519
<v Speaker 10>Trent played.

709
00:36:49.559 --> 00:36:51.920
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, Trent seems to be when you're watching him on

710
00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:55.559
<v Speaker 9>the court, Trent seems to be the most comfortable. Yeah,

711
00:36:56.480 --> 00:36:59.760
<v Speaker 9>and his skin out there and I did ask market

712
00:36:59.760 --> 00:37:03.159
<v Speaker 9>won on after the Tennessee game. So basically, you know,

713
00:37:03.280 --> 00:37:05.760
<v Speaker 9>what's the deal. Trent hadn't played since New Year's Eve

714
00:37:05.800 --> 00:37:08.760
<v Speaker 9>and now he's played. Of course, part of Andrew Carlough.

715
00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:11.199
<v Speaker 9>You don't see trading at six to eleven for a

716
00:37:11.239 --> 00:37:13.519
<v Speaker 9>six six as being that's why he's in the game now.

717
00:37:14.239 --> 00:37:16.400
<v Speaker 9>But he did get his little you know, well, next

718
00:37:16.400 --> 00:37:18.639
<v Speaker 9>man up right, and he played, He did all right,

719
00:37:18.679 --> 00:37:21.800
<v Speaker 9>evand and he did really well. Knoxville played very well.

720
00:37:21.880 --> 00:37:24.599
<v Speaker 1>Well you saw him play in the Sweet sixteen or

721
00:37:24.599 --> 00:37:27.440
<v Speaker 1>you're there covering Travis Perry but you couldn't help. But

722
00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:32.719
<v Speaker 1>notice obviously Trent Noah and you know Trent was a

723
00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:33.719
<v Speaker 1>physical force.

724
00:37:35.360 --> 00:37:38.639
<v Speaker 9>They are they are very different players, Travis and Trent.

725
00:37:38.679 --> 00:37:41.679
<v Speaker 9>You know they've known each other forever the roommates the UK.

726
00:37:41.800 --> 00:37:44.880
<v Speaker 9>Now they are different players, and that's you know, you think,

727
00:37:44.960 --> 00:37:48.119
<v Speaker 9>why is Trent Noah going in for Andrew Carr's absence

728
00:37:48.119 --> 00:37:51.079
<v Speaker 9>Because he's sixty six and he can rebound and he's physical, yes,

729
00:37:51.440 --> 00:37:53.639
<v Speaker 9>but he can't fill it up. He went off in

730
00:37:53.719 --> 00:37:56.960
<v Speaker 9>the Sweet sixteen, that miracle come back, and then they

731
00:37:57.000 --> 00:37:59.559
<v Speaker 9>had and scored. I think seventeen to the last twenty

732
00:37:59.599 --> 00:38:02.320
<v Speaker 9>five the force Overton right. He can go all from

733
00:38:02.320 --> 00:38:05.840
<v Speaker 9>three just as easily as rights Travis kan He is

734
00:38:05.920 --> 00:38:08.639
<v Speaker 9>Darryl bird Sit here and think, Wow, Arkansas didn't Bird

735
00:38:08.679 --> 00:38:12.719
<v Speaker 9>Calbury didn't even with in his direction of a scholarship.

736
00:38:12.920 --> 00:38:13.000
<v Speaker 8>Wo.

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<v Speaker 1>No, he is Darryl Birdy is the author of Lion Pride.

738
00:38:17.159 --> 00:38:21.079
<v Speaker 1>You can find it on Amazon and in other bookstores.

739
00:38:21.119 --> 00:38:23.920
<v Speaker 1>We buy your favorite books, Add that to your library

740
00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:27.079
<v Speaker 1>and learn about Travis Perry and Lion County High School's

741
00:38:27.119 --> 00:38:29.519
<v Speaker 1>run to the Sweet sixteenth title. Thank you, sir. We

742
00:38:29.559 --> 00:38:30.760
<v Speaker 1>will see you at the ball game.

743
00:38:31.760 --> 00:38:32.559
<v Speaker 9>That's gonna be fun.

744
00:38:33.320 --> 00:38:35.880
<v Speaker 1>Up next hour number two, when we will relive the

745
00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:39.480
<v Speaker 1>highlights of Kentucky Tennessee. But first we'll talk but unforgetable

746
00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:42.000
<v Speaker 1>guard Sean Woods. We usually speak with him on Wednesdays,

747
00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:44.639
<v Speaker 1>but we were bumped by the coaches show lineup, So

748
00:38:44.719 --> 00:38:47.519
<v Speaker 1>we will chat with Sean about what he saw down

749
00:38:47.559 --> 00:38:50.199
<v Speaker 1>in Knoxville, what he expects coming up when John Keller

750
00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:53.280
<v Speaker 1>Perry steps into Upperna tomorrow night. That's all I have

751
00:38:53.360 --> 00:39:53.159
<v Speaker 1>you on a big one side or six point thirty wlapager.

752
00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:42.800
<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Big Blue Insider and joining us.

753
00:40:42.800 --> 00:40:45.199
<v Speaker 1>Now it's a Friday, but we usually talked to Sean

754
00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:48.079
<v Speaker 1>Woods on Wednesday the Unforgettable Guard, But of course we

755
00:40:48.079 --> 00:40:50.639
<v Speaker 1>were bumped by the Coaches Show. So we will talk

756
00:40:50.639 --> 00:40:54.079
<v Speaker 1>with Sean about that big win over Tennessee. And there's

757
00:40:54.079 --> 00:40:57.800
<v Speaker 1>a game tomorrow somebody's coming back to town. But Sean,

758
00:40:57.920 --> 00:40:59.400
<v Speaker 1>let me start with that game. And you and I

759
00:40:59.480 --> 00:41:03.000
<v Speaker 1>always talk about games through the eyes the prism of

760
00:41:03.079 --> 00:41:04.880
<v Speaker 1>the point guard, and you, of course were one on

761
00:41:04.920 --> 00:41:09.400
<v Speaker 1>the nation's best at Kentucky. Here's a game, Sean, we're

762
00:41:09.400 --> 00:41:12.840
<v Speaker 1>going into this one. They didn't have one. Basically, they

763
00:41:12.880 --> 00:41:16.320
<v Speaker 1>didn't have any experience. They had Travis Perry, and there

764
00:41:16.360 --> 00:41:19.480
<v Speaker 1>were times when Amari Williams is bringing a ball up

765
00:41:19.519 --> 00:41:23.840
<v Speaker 1>the floor, Jackson Robinson's playing the point when that game

766
00:41:23.920 --> 00:41:27.639
<v Speaker 1>was unfolding. Were you sitting there amazed given the fact

767
00:41:27.679 --> 00:41:30.519
<v Speaker 1>that it's all you've played there, and they've got a

768
00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:33.920
<v Speaker 1>terrific point guard of their own, Tennessee does, and Kentucky's

769
00:41:33.920 --> 00:41:37.400
<v Speaker 1>without their number one floor general and number two floora general.

770
00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:38.679
<v Speaker 1>What was your reaction?

771
00:41:40.480 --> 00:41:43.000
<v Speaker 4>Well, first of all, I thought that was a great

772
00:41:43.280 --> 00:41:49.400
<v Speaker 4>strategy of relieving pressure, letting the Mary Williams bring the

773
00:41:49.440 --> 00:41:54.559
<v Speaker 4>basketball up the court back in the day when I left,

774
00:41:54.760 --> 00:41:57.480
<v Speaker 4>when Travis was having problems getting the ball up the

775
00:41:57.480 --> 00:42:00.639
<v Speaker 4>court because he's playing against bigger guard. Yeah, Coach Patino

776
00:42:00.679 --> 00:42:02.880
<v Speaker 4>would do that. He would have somebody else bring the

777
00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:06.000
<v Speaker 4>ball up to relieve the pressure from Travis on Travis,

778
00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:08.719
<v Speaker 4>and then once you got into the half court, now

779
00:42:08.760 --> 00:42:13.360
<v Speaker 4>you ran your stuff. So you know, the great, great

780
00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:16.840
<v Speaker 4>move by Mark Pope of doing that to relieve some

781
00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:18.840
<v Speaker 4>of the pressure when he didn't have a point guard

782
00:42:18.920 --> 00:42:24.559
<v Speaker 4>per se. But man, you know, just the relentlessness and

783
00:42:24.599 --> 00:42:28.480
<v Speaker 4>the fortitude of these guys knowing that they were, you know,

784
00:42:28.599 --> 00:42:31.239
<v Speaker 4>behind the eight ball a little bit from a personnel standpoint,

785
00:42:31.280 --> 00:42:34.199
<v Speaker 4>And to go into Tennessee, the number one team in

786
00:42:34.239 --> 00:42:36.840
<v Speaker 4>the conference or another top team in the conference, one

787
00:42:36.840 --> 00:42:39.280
<v Speaker 4>of the top teams, and get a win on the road,

788
00:42:39.960 --> 00:42:44.039
<v Speaker 4>that's kudos for Coach Pope, his staff and the Wildcats. Man,

789
00:42:44.039 --> 00:42:46.920
<v Speaker 4>Now that that was probably to me, that may have

790
00:42:47.039 --> 00:42:51.760
<v Speaker 4>been the most impressive win under the circumstances that they've

791
00:42:51.800 --> 00:42:52.559
<v Speaker 4>had all season.

792
00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:56.519
<v Speaker 1>Wow. Well again, you've played down there, and I was

793
00:42:56.559 --> 00:42:58.920
<v Speaker 1>there in Knoxville when you guys played. But I'm having

794
00:42:58.920 --> 00:43:02.000
<v Speaker 1>a hard time remembering while back, but I know that

795
00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:05.239
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't people hanging from the rafters to see the

796
00:43:05.280 --> 00:43:07.039
<v Speaker 1>balls play you got or was it? What do you

797
00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:11.280
<v Speaker 1>remember about going into Knoxville, Well, I'll tell you what.

798
00:43:11.320 --> 00:43:12.960
<v Speaker 4>It has always been a hard place to play.

799
00:43:13.000 --> 00:43:13.239
<v Speaker 10>You know.

800
00:43:13.679 --> 00:43:18.039
<v Speaker 4>It was never not packed for sure, and you know,

801
00:43:18.199 --> 00:43:21.920
<v Speaker 4>but we would have our our chef fans there also,

802
00:43:22.119 --> 00:43:25.199
<v Speaker 4>but it was always a hard place to play. I mean,

803
00:43:25.239 --> 00:43:27.519
<v Speaker 4>we were playing against one of the most prolific scorers

804
00:43:27.599 --> 00:43:29.639
<v Speaker 4>in college basketball at the time in Allen Houston.

805
00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:30.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

806
00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:33.480
<v Speaker 4>So, and they got us real good our senior year,

807
00:43:34.239 --> 00:43:38.039
<v Speaker 4>and then we were able to get them back, you know,

808
00:43:38.079 --> 00:43:40.519
<v Speaker 4>and they came back in for Senior Night. Unfortunately I

809
00:43:40.559 --> 00:43:44.599
<v Speaker 4>didn't get to finish the gay yet, but uh, we

810
00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:47.840
<v Speaker 4>were back. But they were good, you know. And you know,

811
00:43:47.920 --> 00:43:50.519
<v Speaker 4>back then, just like now, they're saying the SEC's better

812
00:43:50.519 --> 00:43:54.119
<v Speaker 4>than ever. But every team in the SEC had first

813
00:43:54.199 --> 00:43:59.800
<v Speaker 4>round draft picks and there was never a tough easy out.

814
00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:03.039
<v Speaker 4>I don't care if you played Vanderbilt. At Vanderbilt, you know,

815
00:44:06.039 --> 00:44:09.280
<v Speaker 4>they were Todd millhilland Bruce Anglin. I mean, those guys

816
00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:12.639
<v Speaker 4>were just tough to beat. At Vanderbilt, so the league

817
00:44:12.679 --> 00:44:14.760
<v Speaker 4>has never been a slouch. I don't know why people

818
00:44:14.840 --> 00:44:17.960
<v Speaker 4>saying that it's better than ever. I just think that

819
00:44:18.079 --> 00:44:21.360
<v Speaker 4>it's just as good. And it's because these one and

820
00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:23.679
<v Speaker 4>Dons and things like that, you kind of put a

821
00:44:24.239 --> 00:44:27.559
<v Speaker 4>more of a stamp on it. But you know, SEC

822
00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:30.159
<v Speaker 4>basketball has always been great. You know, back then we

823
00:44:30.159 --> 00:44:32.119
<v Speaker 4>were getting five to six. They're saying it's gonna be

824
00:44:32.199 --> 00:44:37.000
<v Speaker 4>teen because of Vanderbilt, old Mississippi State, but still old

825
00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:39.679
<v Speaker 4>miss and Mississippi State was still a hard, a tough out,

826
00:44:39.760 --> 00:44:40.639
<v Speaker 4>especially on the roads.

827
00:44:40.719 --> 00:44:44.719
<v Speaker 1>Yea, if there were I just think top to bottom sean,

828
00:44:44.840 --> 00:44:47.519
<v Speaker 1>it's never been as tough. I think, I think the

829
00:44:47.559 --> 00:44:51.079
<v Speaker 1>top half of the league back when you played, especially

830
00:44:51.159 --> 00:44:56.599
<v Speaker 1>on the road, yeah, brutal. But now, man, everybody's pouring

831
00:44:56.639 --> 00:45:02.039
<v Speaker 1>money into scheduling, into facility, into coaching staffs, and surely

832
00:45:02.480 --> 00:45:05.639
<v Speaker 1>you can appreciate that now you've never you know, broken

833
00:45:05.679 --> 00:45:08.559
<v Speaker 1>the bank, and some of the coaching staffs you've made.

834
00:45:08.559 --> 00:45:12.400
<v Speaker 1>But some of these coaches, man, they're entrepreneurs now and

835
00:45:12.440 --> 00:45:15.880
<v Speaker 1>their assistant are getting crazy money. It's never been like that.

836
00:45:17.199 --> 00:45:20.039
<v Speaker 4>No, you're right about that, you know, And uh, it's

837
00:45:20.079 --> 00:45:25.679
<v Speaker 4>glorified now. Oh yeah, you know, there's more promotion as

838
00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:28.840
<v Speaker 4>far as basketball is concerning the SEC. And that's what's

839
00:45:28.880 --> 00:45:32.360
<v Speaker 4>making it different too. You know, look at old missed facilities.

840
00:45:32.400 --> 00:45:34.199
<v Speaker 4>Now they were the worst in the conference and now

841
00:45:34.199 --> 00:45:37.079
<v Speaker 4>they're pretty good. They're pumping money into it and you

842
00:45:37.159 --> 00:45:40.199
<v Speaker 4>see the results. Look at Mississippi State, No, and they're

843
00:45:40.239 --> 00:45:43.480
<v Speaker 4>also going to going out and getting great coaches, uh

844
00:45:44.719 --> 00:45:46.800
<v Speaker 4>with with with a lot of experience, especially from the

845
00:45:46.840 --> 00:45:47.679
<v Speaker 4>recruiting situation.

846
00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:48.880
<v Speaker 10>From the recruiting situation.

847
00:45:49.519 --> 00:45:51.360
<v Speaker 1>By the way, I just pulled up the box score

848
00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:55.199
<v Speaker 1>from that game with Tennessee to win. They got you

849
00:45:55.280 --> 00:45:57.840
<v Speaker 1>pretty good down in Knoxville. Allen Houston got thirty six.

850
00:45:58.559 --> 00:46:02.519
<v Speaker 1>They put Tennessee put five guys in double figures, scored

851
00:46:02.559 --> 00:46:07.199
<v Speaker 1>eighty eight points on Senior Night, But you guys scored

852
00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:11.639
<v Speaker 1>ninety nine. Jamal had thirty. Sean Woods played twelve minutes, folks,

853
00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:16.679
<v Speaker 1>and nothing on the stat line but zeros except Sean

854
00:46:16.719 --> 00:46:20.599
<v Speaker 1>You had six assists in twelve minutes. How the hell

855
00:46:20.639 --> 00:46:21.440
<v Speaker 1>did you do that?

856
00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:22.760
<v Speaker 10>Well?

857
00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:25.159
<v Speaker 4>My goal was Coach Ertino, and that I got together

858
00:46:25.159 --> 00:46:28.800
<v Speaker 4>because I wanted to break the single game assist record. Ah,

859
00:46:29.519 --> 00:46:31.760
<v Speaker 4>and that's all I was doing. I didn't even look

860
00:46:31.800 --> 00:46:34.760
<v Speaker 4>at the basket. I was just passing that thing and

861
00:46:35.519 --> 00:46:39.519
<v Speaker 4>I was on my way too. Yep, And unfortunately Jay

862
00:46:39.559 --> 00:46:43.199
<v Speaker 4>Price and I got into a little little tango and

863
00:46:43.519 --> 00:46:44.719
<v Speaker 4>both of us got ejected.

864
00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:48.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, he only paid played eighteen minutes. He didn't

865
00:46:48.239 --> 00:46:52.719
<v Speaker 1>score so anyhow, But back to the matter at hand,

866
00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:56.599
<v Speaker 1>you had sec basketball tough then. So they go into

867
00:46:56.639 --> 00:47:02.559
<v Speaker 1>Knoxville and Tennessee. I guess falling by in Kentucky was

868
00:47:02.599 --> 00:47:06.840
<v Speaker 1>hot hitting three pointers. Were you surprised at Rick Barnes

869
00:47:08.320 --> 00:47:10.760
<v Speaker 1>didn't do anything that? I mean, there were four they

870
00:47:10.960 --> 00:47:14.559
<v Speaker 1>launched forty five threes, and it killed him. I know

871
00:47:14.599 --> 00:47:16.760
<v Speaker 1>they all think a good shooter knows the next one's

872
00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:20.280
<v Speaker 1>going in. But that's what really allowed Kentucky to ease

873
00:47:20.320 --> 00:47:21.400
<v Speaker 1>away and win that game.

874
00:47:22.400 --> 00:47:25.960
<v Speaker 4>I really think too. Also from that point guard, even

875
00:47:25.960 --> 00:47:27.920
<v Speaker 4>though he came back, I don't think he was He

876
00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:31.039
<v Speaker 4>was one hundred percent and he's the guy who he's

877
00:47:31.119 --> 00:47:34.760
<v Speaker 4>the straw who stirs their coffee. He stopped penetrating, you know,

878
00:47:34.840 --> 00:47:37.159
<v Speaker 4>he started selling for jump shots because he was scared

879
00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:40.119
<v Speaker 4>to stop on that leg like he normally does, going

880
00:47:40.199 --> 00:47:42.000
<v Speaker 4>up strong and finishing. So I thought that was a

881
00:47:42.039 --> 00:47:43.000
<v Speaker 4>major key in the game.

882
00:47:42.920 --> 00:47:46.559
<v Speaker 1>Off of That's a good point, and eventually Zigler filed out.

883
00:47:46.599 --> 00:47:50.360
<v Speaker 1>He did have six assists, but only thirteen points five

884
00:47:50.400 --> 00:47:53.760
<v Speaker 1>of eighteen shooting in thirty five minutes and just had

885
00:47:53.800 --> 00:47:55.800
<v Speaker 1>the one throat, just had the one turnover me. That's

886
00:47:55.840 --> 00:47:59.239
<v Speaker 1>a great point. He was playing on a damaged leg,

887
00:47:59.320 --> 00:48:02.800
<v Speaker 1>one that he was probably favoring anyway, having dealt with

888
00:48:03.280 --> 00:48:06.360
<v Speaker 1>a major knee injury before. So it all comes back

889
00:48:06.360 --> 00:48:07.719
<v Speaker 1>to the point guards, doesn't it.

890
00:48:08.440 --> 00:48:11.599
<v Speaker 4>That's right, and you know they didn't have one. I mean,

891
00:48:11.639 --> 00:48:14.519
<v Speaker 4>he was out there, but he wasn't himself, and you

892
00:48:14.559 --> 00:48:17.880
<v Speaker 4>know that's what made them settle. And I can see

893
00:48:17.880 --> 00:48:20.480
<v Speaker 4>it on Coach Barrs's face. He had no penetration to

894
00:48:20.559 --> 00:48:23.760
<v Speaker 4>bad never really infiltrated the paint. And when you don't

895
00:48:23.800 --> 00:48:26.440
<v Speaker 4>get paint touches, you know, nine times out of ten

896
00:48:26.480 --> 00:48:28.519
<v Speaker 4>your field goals is not gonna be very good.

897
00:48:29.000 --> 00:48:32.880
<v Speaker 1>Kentucky, not just without Butler and Kirk criesa once again,

898
00:48:32.880 --> 00:48:36.159
<v Speaker 1>but without Andrew Carr And yeah, I knew that they

899
00:48:36.280 --> 00:48:39.719
<v Speaker 1>played him, but after ninety seconds he was done. I

900
00:48:39.800 --> 00:48:43.280
<v Speaker 1>really thought that as much as anything would keep Kentucky

901
00:48:43.320 --> 00:48:47.159
<v Speaker 1>from winning. But somehow, some way, I guess Brandon Garrison

902
00:48:47.199 --> 00:48:52.239
<v Speaker 1>had some decent minutes, not statistically, but Almanor came through.

903
00:48:52.280 --> 00:48:56.119
<v Speaker 1>Colin Chandler played well the freshman. Everything came together and

904
00:48:56.239 --> 00:48:58.400
<v Speaker 1>Trent and Noah. It was pretty impressive.

905
00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:01.559
<v Speaker 4>Like I said before, it was probably one of the

906
00:49:01.599 --> 00:49:04.920
<v Speaker 4>most impressive wins that they've had all year, considering the

907
00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:07.880
<v Speaker 4>circumstances that they were under. As far as Angel.

908
00:49:07.719 --> 00:49:11.880
<v Speaker 1>Was concerned, Yeah, well, I'll tell you what. It sets

909
00:49:11.920 --> 00:49:14.559
<v Speaker 1>things up interesting an interesting way because for one thing,

910
00:49:14.639 --> 00:49:17.360
<v Speaker 1>Kentucky fans, I think figured on a win at Vandy,

911
00:49:17.400 --> 00:49:21.199
<v Speaker 1>figured on the loss at Tennessee. They flipped the script.

912
00:49:21.280 --> 00:49:24.920
<v Speaker 1>But now they go into Saturday's game with Arkansas. We'll

913
00:49:24.960 --> 00:49:26.639
<v Speaker 1>talk about that on the other side of the break

914
00:49:26.840 --> 00:49:29.039
<v Speaker 1>with Shawn Wood's The Unforgettable Guard. Here on six point

915
00:49:29.039 --> 00:49:32.480
<v Speaker 1>thirty WLAP. Welcome back to the Big Blue Insider. We're

916
00:49:32.480 --> 00:49:35.440
<v Speaker 1>talking with the Unforgettable Guard, Shawn Woods. As Jersey hangs

917
00:49:35.440 --> 00:49:38.119
<v Speaker 1>in the rafters of rup Sean, You've been a head

918
00:49:38.119 --> 00:49:42.119
<v Speaker 1>coach at a number of places. I wonder at the

919
00:49:42.239 --> 00:49:46.039
<v Speaker 1>level where you were coaching, did you ever hear Booze

920
00:49:46.119 --> 00:49:49.920
<v Speaker 1>rain down on you when you were introducing an arena? Oh?

921
00:49:50.039 --> 00:49:52.280
<v Speaker 4>No, doubt about it. I mean the schools I was that,

922
00:49:52.400 --> 00:49:55.360
<v Speaker 4>you know, Southern and Gramley one of the biggest rivalries

923
00:49:55.360 --> 00:49:57.880
<v Speaker 4>and all the college sports. Yeah, you know you got

924
00:49:57.920 --> 00:49:59.920
<v Speaker 4>that one. You know, you go to Tech the South

925
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:02.679
<v Speaker 4>and plus everywhere I've been we were the top one

926
00:50:02.679 --> 00:50:03.920
<v Speaker 4>of the top teams in the league.

927
00:50:04.039 --> 00:50:06.840
<v Speaker 10>So you know, it was always.

928
00:50:07.400 --> 00:50:10.039
<v Speaker 4>A big to do and and uh when our teams

929
00:50:10.039 --> 00:50:13.960
<v Speaker 4>came into somebody else's place. So yeah, that's that's that's

930
00:50:13.960 --> 00:50:17.079
<v Speaker 4>that's yeah, I'm used to that.

931
00:50:15.559 --> 00:50:20.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm so do you think John Caliperrys, this is going

932
00:50:20.559 --> 00:50:22.599
<v Speaker 1>to be a different brand of booing though, isn't it.

933
00:50:23.760 --> 00:50:28.960
<v Speaker 4>Listen, it's not what it's the way he left is

934
00:50:29.039 --> 00:50:32.559
<v Speaker 4>how I'm looking at this more so than you know.

935
00:50:32.599 --> 00:50:35.559
<v Speaker 4>We are at Kentucky and we got to appreciate this

936
00:50:35.599 --> 00:50:38.679
<v Speaker 4>man won a national championship for us. You know, he's

937
00:50:38.719 --> 00:50:41.880
<v Speaker 4>he's made history for us. He's done probably one of

938
00:50:41.920 --> 00:50:45.440
<v Speaker 4>the most miraculous jobs, uh, in all of college basketball

939
00:50:45.440 --> 00:50:47.800
<v Speaker 4>as far as being a college basketball coach for us.

940
00:50:48.159 --> 00:50:50.639
<v Speaker 4>While he was here, he became a Hall of Fame

941
00:50:51.199 --> 00:50:55.159
<v Speaker 4>inductee while he was our coach. You know, he's won

942
00:50:55.159 --> 00:50:57.480
<v Speaker 4>a national championship as our coach. He's one of the

943
00:50:57.519 --> 00:51:00.960
<v Speaker 4>first to get a lifetime contract, which I don't understand,

944
00:51:01.039 --> 00:51:06.320
<v Speaker 4>but as our coach, and he set the standard as

945
00:51:06.320 --> 00:51:09.679
<v Speaker 4>far as getting the best. I mean, we've always been

946
00:51:09.760 --> 00:51:12.400
<v Speaker 4>known to getting the top players in the country McDonald

947
00:51:12.400 --> 00:51:15.079
<v Speaker 4>all Americans, but he took it to another level. He

948
00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:18.880
<v Speaker 4>he modernized Kentucky basketball to what it is today. And

949
00:51:19.000 --> 00:51:20.719
<v Speaker 4>we got to be thankful for that, you know what

950
00:51:20.760 --> 00:51:22.719
<v Speaker 4>I mean. Now how he left, you know, the last

951
00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:25.679
<v Speaker 4>few seasons. That's the only thing that that's the one

952
00:51:25.719 --> 00:51:29.599
<v Speaker 4>of the biggest knocks has been being a coach anywhere

953
00:51:30.199 --> 00:51:33.440
<v Speaker 4>is staying too long, you know, and and sooner or

954
00:51:33.519 --> 00:51:37.239
<v Speaker 4>later people forget, you know, the things that you did.

955
00:51:38.079 --> 00:51:41.159
<v Speaker 4>And first of all, you make them spoil. You get

956
00:51:41.199 --> 00:51:44.239
<v Speaker 4>them spoiled. And then when they're not getting that, you know,

957
00:51:44.280 --> 00:51:47.280
<v Speaker 4>they turned on you a little bit. And you know

958
00:51:48.599 --> 00:51:51.840
<v Speaker 4>that's unfortunate in our profession, but as part of our profession.

959
00:51:52.280 --> 00:51:55.159
<v Speaker 4>But man, you can't knot you know what John cali

960
00:51:55.199 --> 00:51:58.719
<v Speaker 4>Perry did because he you know, during his time, we

961
00:51:58.719 --> 00:52:03.239
<v Speaker 4>were still one most relevant college basketball program in America.

962
00:52:03.880 --> 00:52:09.719
<v Speaker 1>You played on at a time when the Kentucky Arkansas

963
00:52:09.760 --> 00:52:16.159
<v Speaker 1>Series was about to become the really cool rivalry in

964
00:52:16.199 --> 00:52:20.159
<v Speaker 1>the SEC, if not the country with Nolan Richardson, I

965
00:52:20.239 --> 00:52:23.519
<v Speaker 1>don't consider Arkansas a rival right now. Yes, it's a

966
00:52:23.559 --> 00:52:26.480
<v Speaker 1>conference rival, but it's not like it used to be.

967
00:52:27.039 --> 00:52:28.960
<v Speaker 1>And people, well he went to our archs Ruight, No

968
00:52:29.039 --> 00:52:32.320
<v Speaker 1>he did not. He did go within the league, that's true.

969
00:52:33.000 --> 00:52:35.280
<v Speaker 1>But I mean, do you consider Arkansas that way? I

970
00:52:35.360 --> 00:52:38.679
<v Speaker 1>still think Louisville, Tennessee And people like to say.

971
00:52:38.519 --> 00:52:44.199
<v Speaker 4>Dude, Louisville, right, Costatino went to Louisville. Okay, So now

972
00:52:44.280 --> 00:52:49.039
<v Speaker 4>John Caliperry goes to Arkansas. Well, it's not about going

973
00:52:49.039 --> 00:52:52.320
<v Speaker 4>to Arkansas. It's John Caliperry, right, So we're going to

974
00:52:52.400 --> 00:52:55.440
<v Speaker 4>be in rival with John Caliperry more so than being

975
00:52:55.480 --> 00:52:58.599
<v Speaker 4>in a rival with the institution of the University of Arkansas.

976
00:52:58.679 --> 00:52:58.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

977
00:52:59.119 --> 00:53:01.679
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's how this thing is gonna work planning out.

978
00:53:01.719 --> 00:53:04.599
<v Speaker 4>It's not about you know, history and this and that.

979
00:53:04.760 --> 00:53:10.039
<v Speaker 4>It's about and it's so new that it's burning hot,

980
00:53:10.079 --> 00:53:14.679
<v Speaker 4>it's flaming and because of who it is as a coach.

981
00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:19.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're right. How surprised are you assuming you are

982
00:53:20.400 --> 00:53:23.920
<v Speaker 1>that Arkansas has struggled the way it has given the

983
00:53:23.920 --> 00:53:27.079
<v Speaker 1>recruits he took there given the kids from Kentucky you

984
00:53:27.239 --> 00:53:31.639
<v Speaker 1>transferred there starting with a point guard DJ Wagner. But

985
00:53:31.719 --> 00:53:35.079
<v Speaker 1>Big Z and boy du Sierro looks incredible this year.

986
00:53:35.159 --> 00:53:40.079
<v Speaker 1>But they have been probably the biggest surprise in a

987
00:53:40.079 --> 00:53:41.880
<v Speaker 1>disappointing way in the sec.

988
00:53:43.119 --> 00:53:47.000
<v Speaker 4>I'm I'm I'm surprised, but I'm not surprised. I don't

989
00:53:47.000 --> 00:53:49.480
<v Speaker 4>think his team's very good. I'm gonna be honest with you.

990
00:53:49.519 --> 00:53:52.159
<v Speaker 4>From a talent standpoint, I don't think Z is the answer.

991
00:53:53.039 --> 00:53:55.000
<v Speaker 4>You know, for his size, he doesn't rebound to the

992
00:53:55.079 --> 00:53:57.239
<v Speaker 4>find like he needs to. I think he gives up

993
00:53:57.280 --> 00:53:59.679
<v Speaker 4>on a lot of plays. He's not a guy that

994
00:53:59.760 --> 00:54:02.639
<v Speaker 4>you make him the main stay and expect to have

995
00:54:03.159 --> 00:54:07.719
<v Speaker 4>miraculous results. So from that standpoint, I am not surprised,

996
00:54:10.559 --> 00:54:14.119
<v Speaker 4>you know, I just think from a personnel standpoint, he's

997
00:54:14.159 --> 00:54:17.440
<v Speaker 4>not big enough inside, I don't think he can compete

998
00:54:17.480 --> 00:54:21.639
<v Speaker 4>on the glass like he would like. And you know

999
00:54:22.440 --> 00:54:24.840
<v Speaker 4>he had he was. He's really depending on a freshman

1000
00:54:24.880 --> 00:54:28.239
<v Speaker 4>point guard again, and that wasn't getting him too far.

1001
00:54:28.360 --> 00:54:32.719
<v Speaker 4>And unfortunately Boogiey Flans hurt. But when he lost that kid,

1002
00:54:33.719 --> 00:54:35.840
<v Speaker 4>you know, it may have walked him up up a

1003
00:54:35.840 --> 00:54:39.159
<v Speaker 4>little bit because they won right after that. Yeah, you know,

1004
00:54:39.360 --> 00:54:42.000
<v Speaker 4>let's let's not get it twisted now, John Caliperri can coach.

1005
00:54:42.039 --> 00:54:43.840
<v Speaker 4>I mean, you don't become a Hall of Famer now.

1006
00:54:44.079 --> 00:54:45.920
<v Speaker 4>I just think he kind of lost the sizzle a

1007
00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:48.480
<v Speaker 4>little bit. I think that, you know, while his last

1008
00:54:48.519 --> 00:54:51.320
<v Speaker 4>few years here, you know, it wasn't about coaching, I

1009
00:54:51.320 --> 00:54:53.320
<v Speaker 4>think he got away from what got him here and

1010
00:54:53.320 --> 00:54:55.880
<v Speaker 4>what got him to the success that he's had. And

1011
00:54:56.480 --> 00:54:58.800
<v Speaker 4>you know, sometimes people get humbled and you know, like

1012
00:54:58.840 --> 00:55:02.599
<v Speaker 4>I said before, this this things, you know, it's different,

1013
00:55:02.599 --> 00:55:05.480
<v Speaker 4>it's evolving, and it's a new way to do with things.

1014
00:55:05.480 --> 00:55:09.519
<v Speaker 4>And I think right now, you know, he's trying to

1015
00:55:09.519 --> 00:55:11.920
<v Speaker 4>play catch up now and trying to figure out how

1016
00:55:11.920 --> 00:55:14.599
<v Speaker 4>he can, you know, get it back and get that

1017
00:55:14.679 --> 00:55:16.320
<v Speaker 4>mojo back that he had years ago.

1018
00:55:16.760 --> 00:55:19.000
<v Speaker 1>I think people forget that the first of all. They

1019
00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:21.760
<v Speaker 1>forget some people forget the glory years he had here,

1020
00:55:21.800 --> 00:55:25.400
<v Speaker 1>his first six years minus see of course, you know

1021
00:55:25.440 --> 00:55:29.280
<v Speaker 1>Neurlans Noel, that was a difficult injury and they'd never recovered.

1022
00:55:29.360 --> 00:55:33.800
<v Speaker 1>But his best team, Sean and you know this as

1023
00:55:33.840 --> 00:55:37.840
<v Speaker 1>a you're probably your best teams were combinations of that

1024
00:55:38.000 --> 00:55:42.119
<v Speaker 1>young talent and veterans. Yeah, and you think about the

1025
00:55:42.119 --> 00:55:45.960
<v Speaker 1>Harrison Twins came back that made that twenty fifteen team

1026
00:55:46.199 --> 00:55:50.280
<v Speaker 1>so powerful. His first couple teams at Kentucky, that first

1027
00:55:50.280 --> 00:55:52.159
<v Speaker 1>team he had, which I still think was his best

1028
00:55:52.840 --> 00:55:56.320
<v Speaker 1>uh at Patrick Patterson and a couple other Vets along

1029
00:55:56.320 --> 00:56:00.840
<v Speaker 1>with Wall and Cousins and Bledsoe, And I felt like

1030
00:56:00.920 --> 00:56:03.079
<v Speaker 1>he kind of got away from that for one reason

1031
00:56:03.199 --> 00:56:05.039
<v Speaker 1>or another. Do you remember it that way?

1032
00:56:06.320 --> 00:56:09.039
<v Speaker 4>Well, I wasn't around as much, you know what I'm saying,

1033
00:56:09.039 --> 00:56:11.760
<v Speaker 4>But I can just tell. But you know, if every

1034
00:56:11.800 --> 00:56:14.599
<v Speaker 4>team is different, no matter the personnel and how talented

1035
00:56:14.639 --> 00:56:16.800
<v Speaker 4>you are, and you're not gonna win a national championship

1036
00:56:16.800 --> 00:56:19.159
<v Speaker 4>every year, but he was in the mix every year,

1037
00:56:19.199 --> 00:56:21.440
<v Speaker 4>and that's all you can ask for. And then you

1038
00:56:21.519 --> 00:56:23.920
<v Speaker 4>got to have a little luck in the NCAA tournment

1039
00:56:23.960 --> 00:56:26.400
<v Speaker 4>here and there. And he will always put himself in

1040
00:56:26.400 --> 00:56:29.280
<v Speaker 4>a position where he had a chance. Except for the

1041
00:56:29.360 --> 00:56:31.679
<v Speaker 4>last few years, I thought recruiting went down. I thought

1042
00:56:31.719 --> 00:56:35.880
<v Speaker 4>he settled for some guys that wasn't, you know, capable

1043
00:56:35.920 --> 00:56:39.639
<v Speaker 4>of getting a job done. And I think that's where

1044
00:56:39.639 --> 00:56:42.760
<v Speaker 4>it left. You know, Then he lost some key staff members,

1045
00:56:43.400 --> 00:56:45.960
<v Speaker 4>you know, and all that stuff plays the part and

1046
00:56:46.960 --> 00:56:51.000
<v Speaker 4>right now, I think he's just searching. And you know,

1047
00:56:51.039 --> 00:56:53.599
<v Speaker 4>when you have bad seasons as a coach, you know

1048
00:56:53.960 --> 00:56:56.159
<v Speaker 4>you're only as good as your assistant, and you need

1049
00:56:56.239 --> 00:56:59.119
<v Speaker 4>great assistance. I don't care who how good you are.

1050
00:57:00.079 --> 00:57:02.880
<v Speaker 4>And sometimes that happens. You know what I'm saying, You

1051
00:57:02.880 --> 00:57:05.360
<v Speaker 4>ain't you don't have that same support. You know, you

1052
00:57:05.400 --> 00:57:08.000
<v Speaker 4>don't have that same backing. And I think that that

1053
00:57:08.199 --> 00:57:11.960
<v Speaker 4>happened with coach Bettino too, his latter years at Louisville,

1054
00:57:12.119 --> 00:57:14.559
<v Speaker 4>not having guys that he could trust you, and you

1055
00:57:14.639 --> 00:57:16.360
<v Speaker 4>see what happens, Things fall through the crack.

1056
00:57:16.559 --> 00:57:20.000
<v Speaker 1>But you know, I think it's interesting you say that

1057
00:57:20.039 --> 00:57:22.199
<v Speaker 1>because I'm sure you heard well, maybe you have or

1058
00:57:22.239 --> 00:57:24.639
<v Speaker 1>not again you've you were away and came back, But

1059
00:57:25.559 --> 00:57:27.880
<v Speaker 1>I kept carrying that Cali Perry who doesn't listen to

1060
00:57:27.920 --> 00:57:29.599
<v Speaker 1>his assistance. Have you ever heard that?

1061
00:57:30.639 --> 00:57:33.880
<v Speaker 4>I've heard that a lot. I've heard that a whole bunch.

1062
00:57:34.119 --> 00:57:37.000
<v Speaker 4>And sometimes, you know, like I tell people all the time,

1063
00:57:37.079 --> 00:57:39.960
<v Speaker 4>John Caliperry is human, right, And sometimes you know, just

1064
00:57:40.000 --> 00:57:43.039
<v Speaker 4>because he's a coach that he tries to tell players

1065
00:57:43.239 --> 00:57:46.119
<v Speaker 4>to not dwell in your success. I think he dwelled

1066
00:57:46.119 --> 00:57:47.280
<v Speaker 4>in his success.

1067
00:57:47.800 --> 00:57:52.000
<v Speaker 1>Huh, interesting. Yeah, you're right, do as I say, not

1068
00:57:52.159 --> 00:57:56.840
<v Speaker 1>as I do. That means a hot sometimes got a

1069
00:57:56.880 --> 00:58:00.679
<v Speaker 1>few minutes left with Sean Woods, the unforgettable guard Caliperry

1070
00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:03.519
<v Speaker 1>coming to town with Arkansas tomorrow night, a bug all else,

1071
00:58:03.920 --> 00:58:08.000
<v Speaker 1>Kentucky needs to obviously win this game Sean and protect

1072
00:58:08.039 --> 00:58:10.880
<v Speaker 1>the home court from here on, right, Yeah, they.

1073
00:58:10.760 --> 00:58:13.719
<v Speaker 4>Have to in order to stay, you know, have a

1074
00:58:13.800 --> 00:58:15.840
<v Speaker 4>chance to stay at top of the league. You got

1075
00:58:15.840 --> 00:58:17.719
<v Speaker 4>to win all your games at home because you got

1076
00:58:17.760 --> 00:58:20.119
<v Speaker 4>some a few tough ones on the road that's coming up.

1077
00:58:20.159 --> 00:58:22.880
<v Speaker 4>So you got to make sure that you take care

1078
00:58:22.920 --> 00:58:23.719
<v Speaker 4>of business and rut.

1079
00:58:23.960 --> 00:58:26.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, as I let you go. I went and looked

1080
00:58:26.960 --> 00:58:29.679
<v Speaker 1>up the roster of that twenty fifteen team that was

1081
00:58:29.800 --> 00:58:33.519
<v Speaker 1>nearly perfect. Yeah, they had Karl Anthony Towns, they had

1082
00:58:33.519 --> 00:58:35.960
<v Speaker 1>Booker on the bench, they had Uless Tree Lyles. But

1083
00:58:37.000 --> 00:58:40.679
<v Speaker 1>you know, Dacary Johnson was a sophomore, Marcus Lee sophomore.

1084
00:58:42.360 --> 00:58:45.760
<v Speaker 1>Who else was on that team? The Harrison Twins, And

1085
00:58:45.800 --> 00:58:48.559
<v Speaker 1>in this day and age, those are veterans.

1086
00:58:48.360 --> 00:58:50.239
<v Speaker 10>Right, no doubt about it.

1087
00:58:50.280 --> 00:58:52.360
<v Speaker 1>And then when you mix it all together with a freshman,

1088
00:58:53.159 --> 00:58:55.039
<v Speaker 1>that was a team that could have and maybe should

1089
00:58:55.039 --> 00:58:58.599
<v Speaker 1>have made history. So yeah, it takes a mix now,

1090
00:58:58.920 --> 00:59:01.559
<v Speaker 1>not just the one and done. But that's easier said

1091
00:59:01.559 --> 00:59:03.119
<v Speaker 1>than done in this day and age, isn't it.

1092
00:59:03.920 --> 00:59:06.400
<v Speaker 4>You are exactly right, I mean, and look at the

1093
00:59:06.480 --> 00:59:09.559
<v Speaker 4>years from twenty fifteen on the teams that won the

1094
00:59:09.639 --> 00:59:13.239
<v Speaker 4>national championship. Yep, yep, you know, look at Virginia that

1095
00:59:13.440 --> 00:59:17.039
<v Speaker 4>that that's the prime example of not having a bunch

1096
00:59:17.079 --> 00:59:20.320
<v Speaker 4>of two roh guys, just had some a mixture of

1097
00:59:20.480 --> 00:59:23.719
<v Speaker 4>veterans and players that had gone through the you know,

1098
00:59:23.800 --> 00:59:27.760
<v Speaker 4>the system, and by the time they got this senior year,

1099
00:59:27.800 --> 00:59:28.519
<v Speaker 4>they were really good.

1100
00:59:28.760 --> 00:59:33.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, well, I mean Villanova, the teams and national

1101
00:59:33.239 --> 00:59:36.719
<v Speaker 1>titlers for Nova exactly were exactly were a good mix

1102
00:59:36.960 --> 00:59:40.599
<v Speaker 1>and it's all that balancing act. Now, Sean Woods, the

1103
00:59:40.639 --> 00:59:43.440
<v Speaker 1>Unforgettable Guard, joins us every week. His jersey hangs in

1104
00:59:43.480 --> 00:59:46.199
<v Speaker 1>the rafters. Are up, coach, Thanks so much, and enjoy your.

1105
00:59:46.159 --> 00:59:48.719
<v Speaker 10>Weekend, okay, Dick, you too, buddy.

1106
00:59:49.239 --> 00:59:52.320
<v Speaker 1>And up next we relive the highlights of Kentucky, Tennessee

1107
00:59:52.400 --> 00:59:55.199
<v Speaker 1>as we head into the weekend here on six thirty WLAP.

1108
00:59:56.360 --> 00:59:58.840
<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Big Moon Cider. So it's Kentucky

1109
00:59:58.960 --> 01:00:02.760
<v Speaker 1>Arkansas tomorrow night. We all know that Wildcats coming off

1110
01:00:02.800 --> 01:00:07.039
<v Speaker 1>a huge win down in Knoxville short handed. But boy

1111
01:00:07.039 --> 01:00:09.880
<v Speaker 1>did the Wildcats hit their shots, especially when they needed

1112
01:00:09.880 --> 01:00:13.159
<v Speaker 1>to most including free throws. Not great at the free

1113
01:00:13.199 --> 01:00:16.519
<v Speaker 1>throw line, but Oway nailed a couple with the game

1114
01:00:16.599 --> 01:00:20.679
<v Speaker 1>on the line literally and Kentucky escapes Knoxville with yet

1115
01:00:20.719 --> 01:00:24.000
<v Speaker 1>another win. So I thought going into the weekend, we

1116
01:00:24.039 --> 01:00:27.719
<v Speaker 1>would relive the highlights from the UK Radio network as

1117
01:00:27.800 --> 01:00:31.159
<v Speaker 1>Tom Leach and Jack Gibbons called the action, the Cats

1118
01:00:31.599 --> 01:00:35.239
<v Speaker 1>and the Balls. Kentucky winning for a third straight year

1119
01:00:35.880 --> 01:00:36.960
<v Speaker 1>down in Knoxville.

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01:00:37.519 --> 01:00:39.519
<v Speaker 3>Down the right side, puts it between his legs, turns

1121
01:00:39.559 --> 01:00:43.079
<v Speaker 3>his back to Ziegler, gets Ray up open, three ball

1122
01:00:43.239 --> 01:00:43.679
<v Speaker 3>in the air.

1123
01:00:43.920 --> 01:00:44.440
<v Speaker 8>It's good.

1124
01:00:45.320 --> 01:00:47.559
<v Speaker 3>Pass to the top to Williams, gives it to Holland

1125
01:00:47.639 --> 01:00:51.280
<v Speaker 3>or a right back to Williams, over to Robinson, less side,

1126
01:00:51.320 --> 01:00:55.159
<v Speaker 3>three god two threes for Kentucky. Robinson drives it up

1127
01:00:55.199 --> 01:00:57.400
<v Speaker 3>the right side, gets it to the trailer Williams. Robinson

1128
01:00:57.400 --> 01:00:59.679
<v Speaker 3>gets it back, it curls into the circle, steps back.

1129
01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:02.800
<v Speaker 3>He made two of them already up deep on the

1130
01:01:02.840 --> 01:01:05.880
<v Speaker 3>right side. Williams dribbles over to the left, goes down

1131
01:01:05.920 --> 01:01:07.800
<v Speaker 3>the lane, hooks it out to the right corner. Almon

1132
01:01:07.920 --> 01:01:08.719
<v Speaker 3>Or wide open.

1133
01:01:09.039 --> 01:01:12.920
<v Speaker 12>Yes, well, that is excellently executed.

1134
01:01:13.039 --> 01:01:13.679
<v Speaker 11>Our fence.

1135
01:01:14.000 --> 01:01:16.239
<v Speaker 3>It's between his legs, goes to his right down the

1136
01:01:16.320 --> 01:01:18.360
<v Speaker 3>lane with a runner off the glass. It's good boy,

1137
01:01:18.559 --> 01:01:20.519
<v Speaker 3>just beats the clock defense set.

1138
01:01:21.119 --> 01:01:23.719
<v Speaker 8>Williams fires to Robinson left wing. Three in the air.

1139
01:01:23.800 --> 01:01:24.039
<v Speaker 10>Good.

1140
01:01:24.559 --> 01:01:26.320
<v Speaker 11>Finally found a way to get open again.

1141
01:01:26.400 --> 01:01:29.199
<v Speaker 8>Baseline fires a diagonal pass to the left wing.

1142
01:01:29.239 --> 01:01:35.880
<v Speaker 3>Almonor's three is good again. Penetration and three no rebounded

1143
01:01:35.960 --> 01:01:40.320
<v Speaker 3>by Robinson. Faith slides right eighteen foot or gone across

1144
01:01:40.360 --> 01:01:43.840
<v Speaker 3>the Brea. Brandon feeds it over the right corner. Almon

1145
01:01:43.960 --> 01:01:47.800
<v Speaker 3>Or open three, money boy, They keep leaving them open

1146
01:01:48.199 --> 01:01:50.719
<v Speaker 3>twenty two Kentucky by four.

1147
01:01:50.920 --> 01:01:52.360
<v Speaker 8>Almanor fees it down.

1148
01:01:52.199 --> 01:01:55.079
<v Speaker 3>Lower the pick and rolling a dunk by Garrison off

1149
01:01:55.119 --> 01:01:55.519
<v Speaker 3>the roll.

1150
01:01:55.639 --> 01:01:57.199
<v Speaker 8>When they get it count to Garrison.

1151
01:01:57.199 --> 01:01:59.719
<v Speaker 3>Brea goes back door, makes the catch and dunkson coming

1152
01:01:59.760 --> 01:02:02.960
<v Speaker 3>in All right, Baseline and here's almon Or at the top.

1153
01:02:03.039 --> 01:02:05.320
<v Speaker 3>Gives it to Braya. Raya penetrates up with a fifteen

1154
01:02:05.360 --> 01:02:07.320
<v Speaker 3>foot a good out a way by tipping it and

1155
01:02:07.360 --> 01:02:10.400
<v Speaker 3>getting the rebound cross court pass intercepted by oh Way,

1156
01:02:10.639 --> 01:02:14.199
<v Speaker 3>drives and dunks it for the lead a huge were

1157
01:02:14.280 --> 01:02:17.760
<v Speaker 3>passed to oh way, oh wait, driving baseline left, cut off, bounce,

1158
01:02:17.800 --> 01:02:20.119
<v Speaker 3>pass over to Williams out to almon Or straight away

1159
01:02:20.119 --> 01:02:23.960
<v Speaker 3>three ball money or Hansley alman Or heaving forward, A

1160
01:02:23.960 --> 01:02:26.400
<v Speaker 3>couple of crossovers slides to his left, get a shoot

1161
01:02:26.400 --> 01:02:30.559
<v Speaker 3>a contested three and it bounces in about six to

1162
01:02:30.599 --> 01:02:33.960
<v Speaker 3>eleven akpara pray, A couple of crossovers goes by a

1163
01:02:34.119 --> 01:02:36.559
<v Speaker 3>para gets in deep rap around, feed to Williams. Thanks,

1164
01:02:36.599 --> 01:02:40.000
<v Speaker 3>happing in just ahead of the shot clock buzzer. Robinson

1165
01:02:40.079 --> 01:02:42.480
<v Speaker 3>over to Noah, floats at to Williams five to shoot him.

1166
01:02:42.559 --> 01:02:46.239
<v Speaker 3>Williams backing down to Williams turns jump hook gun nice

1167
01:02:46.440 --> 01:02:48.119
<v Speaker 3>picking off the left wing goes through the lane of

1168
01:02:48.119 --> 01:02:50.360
<v Speaker 3>all stock loose and Kentucky comes out with it and

1169
01:02:50.559 --> 01:02:52.559
<v Speaker 3>Noah may have knocked it loose. Breyer scoops it up

1170
01:02:52.599 --> 01:02:54.840
<v Speaker 3>over to Robinson, open left, winning for three.

1171
01:02:55.159 --> 01:02:55.719
<v Speaker 13>Got it.

1172
01:02:56.719 --> 01:03:02.239
<v Speaker 12>I just love how cool, calm and collected Kentucky has

1173
01:03:02.360 --> 01:03:03.320
<v Speaker 12>been on offense.

1174
01:03:03.679 --> 01:03:05.960
<v Speaker 3>Dan's Madison drills it all the way to the right corner,

1175
01:03:06.800 --> 01:03:09.280
<v Speaker 3>shut his back to Zigler, fall away fifteen foot are

1176
01:03:09.280 --> 01:03:15.599
<v Speaker 3>good Jackson Robinson with sixteen not left Garrison being manhandled

1177
01:03:15.679 --> 01:03:17.719
<v Speaker 3>using his arm. Here's Noah straight away.

1178
01:03:17.719 --> 01:03:22.840
<v Speaker 8>Three Trent, yes, Trent, don't add away. Young fella jumps

1179
01:03:22.880 --> 01:03:25.639
<v Speaker 8>up to Perry. Perry he three right side.

1180
01:03:25.639 --> 01:03:29.280
<v Speaker 3>Rentals out no good, oh Way rebounds follows. God Robins said,

1181
01:03:29.320 --> 01:03:31.280
<v Speaker 3>taking the handoff down the lane, puts it up, No

1182
01:03:31.519 --> 01:03:33.639
<v Speaker 3>tap in by Williams.

1183
01:03:33.679 --> 01:03:38.199
<v Speaker 8>But oh Way throws it to Brian has skipped off.

1184
01:03:38.239 --> 01:03:40.239
<v Speaker 3>His hands would have picked up by no Honey drives

1185
01:03:40.239 --> 01:03:43.880
<v Speaker 3>in stores hands up, heads up, right out of his hands.

1186
01:03:43.920 --> 01:03:44.519
<v Speaker 8>He's got it back.

1187
01:03:44.719 --> 01:03:47.159
<v Speaker 3>He blows by Milicic goes in and dunks it in

1188
01:03:47.239 --> 01:03:48.440
<v Speaker 3>and hits the deck hard.

1189
01:03:49.480 --> 01:03:50.519
<v Speaker 11>He jumps right back.

1190
01:03:51.079 --> 01:03:55.079
<v Speaker 3>Sixty eight sixty three Kentucky Williams drives it left, hands

1191
01:03:55.119 --> 01:03:56.719
<v Speaker 3>it to Breya long three.

1192
01:03:57.280 --> 01:03:58.880
<v Speaker 11>That's the way to get it back. That's the way

1193
01:03:58.920 --> 01:04:00.760
<v Speaker 11>to get it back right now.

1194
01:04:00.920 --> 01:04:05.960
<v Speaker 3>Two of five tonight, seventy seven percent on the season

1195
01:04:06.079 --> 01:04:06.440
<v Speaker 3>coming in.

1196
01:04:08.440 --> 01:04:13.239
<v Speaker 8>It's good, little body English there lean across.

1197
01:04:13.239 --> 01:04:15.000
<v Speaker 11>Pretty simple. Gotta make.

1198
01:04:18.639 --> 01:04:22.920
<v Speaker 8>That he does. We hear a little gold, big blue

1199
01:04:23.400 --> 01:04:23.679
<v Speaker 8>let that.

1200
01:04:24.400 --> 01:04:30.320
<v Speaker 3>Wow, it's getting louder too, God Sansley almond Or waving his.

1201
01:04:30.480 --> 01:04:32.719
<v Speaker 8>Arms for more.

1202
01:04:33.239 --> 01:04:35.559
<v Speaker 11>Just give me one, baby, Just give me one, two.

1203
01:04:35.480 --> 01:04:39.320
<v Speaker 3>Shots away, one dribble. It's in the air, and it's

1204
01:04:39.320 --> 01:04:44.360
<v Speaker 3>good God, it's in the air, beauty.

1205
01:04:44.440 --> 01:04:46.480
<v Speaker 12>You gotta put a little pressure in the back court.

1206
01:04:46.960 --> 01:04:49.880
<v Speaker 12>Make him use some time off the clock. You don't

1207
01:04:49.880 --> 01:04:50.440
<v Speaker 12>want to let.

1208
01:04:50.360 --> 01:04:52.800
<v Speaker 8>Him throw it long. That's what Kentucky's doing.

1209
01:04:52.960 --> 01:04:54.559
<v Speaker 11>You gotta make him use up some time.

1210
01:04:56.159 --> 01:04:57.800
<v Speaker 8>Get into the bar. Back to Ziegler.

1211
01:04:57.920 --> 01:04:59.760
<v Speaker 3>Ball's knock loose, He picks it up, shoots the three

1212
01:04:59.800 --> 01:05:00.599
<v Speaker 3>off right wing.

1213
01:05:00.840 --> 01:05:01.519
<v Speaker 8>It's no good.

1214
01:05:01.760 --> 01:05:05.400
<v Speaker 3>Williams Graham's another rebound, throws it into front court and

1215
01:05:05.440 --> 01:05:09.880
<v Speaker 3>the Wildcats get a win in Knoxville for the third year.

1216
01:05:09.719 --> 01:05:10.360
<v Speaker 1>In a row.

1217
01:05:10.599 --> 01:05:13.679
<v Speaker 3>It hadn't happened since two thousand and six. They did

1218
01:05:13.719 --> 01:05:16.840
<v Speaker 3>it tonight, and they did it shorthanded good and that's gracious.

1219
01:05:17.639 --> 01:05:20.400
<v Speaker 1>Jack Gibbons and Tom Leach on the UK Sports Network,

1220
01:05:20.440 --> 01:05:23.480
<v Speaker 1>and I've said it many many times. Two things. Number One,

1221
01:05:24.000 --> 01:05:28.159
<v Speaker 1>Jack Gibbons loves to see the Wildcats beat Tennessee. That

1222
01:05:28.400 --> 01:05:31.039
<v Speaker 1>was the art rival when he grew up. That's the

1223
01:05:31.159 --> 01:05:32.960
<v Speaker 1>art rival when he was in high school, when he

1224
01:05:33.039 --> 01:05:36.280
<v Speaker 1>signed to be a Wildcat, when he played for Kentucky,

1225
01:05:36.800 --> 01:05:40.679
<v Speaker 1>there was no UFL rivalry. They didn't play it was Tennessee.

1226
01:05:41.519 --> 01:05:45.039
<v Speaker 1>Jack loves to beat the balls. It wasn't easy when

1227
01:05:45.039 --> 01:05:47.800
<v Speaker 1>he was there because back then at the same time,

1228
01:05:47.880 --> 01:05:52.480
<v Speaker 1>Tennessee had Bernie and Ernie. But Kentucky knocks off Tennessee.

1229
01:05:52.519 --> 01:05:57.119
<v Speaker 1>You could hear the glee in Jack's voice sitting alongside Tom.

1230
01:05:57.159 --> 01:06:01.039
<v Speaker 1>He loves to see these UK players knock down shots

1231
01:06:01.559 --> 01:06:04.679
<v Speaker 1>because that's what he did. He was a knockdown shooter.

1232
01:06:05.679 --> 01:06:07.440
<v Speaker 1>And as he said on my show a week or

1233
01:06:07.480 --> 01:06:10.480
<v Speaker 1>two ago, he is an unabashed fan. He said. He

1234
01:06:10.559 --> 01:06:15.400
<v Speaker 1>credits and appreciates the fact that the network and UK

1235
01:06:15.679 --> 01:06:18.679
<v Speaker 1>both realize that unlike a lot of people who might

1236
01:06:18.719 --> 01:06:21.480
<v Speaker 1>have taken over at the job when our friend, the

1237
01:06:21.519 --> 01:06:26.719
<v Speaker 1>great Mike Pratt passed away, Jack's a fan first and

1238
01:06:26.719 --> 01:06:29.760
<v Speaker 1>then a broadcaster, never claimed to be a journalist. So

1239
01:06:29.840 --> 01:06:34.159
<v Speaker 1>he roots unabashedly for those cats, especially when they win

1240
01:06:34.199 --> 01:06:38.159
<v Speaker 1>a game like that, knocking down shots at the arch

1241
01:06:38.280 --> 01:06:41.920
<v Speaker 1>rival for him, at any rate, his favorite art rival, Tennessee.

1242
01:06:42.159 --> 01:06:44.519
<v Speaker 1>So I hope you enjoyed that, all right. Coming up next,

1243
01:06:44.559 --> 01:06:47.639
<v Speaker 1>we're going to hear more about a photographer here in

1244
01:06:47.719 --> 01:06:50.440
<v Speaker 1>town who's terrific. He's done a lot of great sports work,

1245
01:06:50.480 --> 01:06:54.119
<v Speaker 1>and this is kind of the same but different. It's

1246
01:06:54.360 --> 01:06:56.679
<v Speaker 1>kind of tough talking about photography on the radio, but

1247
01:06:56.760 --> 01:06:59.679
<v Speaker 1>you'll know what I'm talking about when we chat with

1248
01:06:59.719 --> 01:07:04.159
<v Speaker 1>Mark Nielsen. That's next year on six thirty. Welcome back

1249
01:07:04.159 --> 01:07:05.880
<v Speaker 1>to you. The Big Blue Insider joining us now is

1250
01:07:05.920 --> 01:07:07.880
<v Speaker 1>a longtime friend and a guy who actually has been

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<v Speaker 1>on the show before. It's been a while, but I

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<v Speaker 1>see Mark Corneilsen's face in the newspaper online, you see

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<v Speaker 1>his work, You know his work very likely. He is

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01:07:16.599 --> 01:07:21.039
<v Speaker 1>a terrifically talented photographer who has you know, shot dozens

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<v Speaker 1>and hundreds of ball games. But he's become known as

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<v Speaker 1>the pre eminent, in my opinion, portrait photographer here in

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<v Speaker 1>town for a number of reasons. H Mark, welcome back

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01:07:31.320 --> 01:07:31.719
<v Speaker 1>to the show.

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<v Speaker 10>First of all, yeah, thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>We talked to Mark about some other types of portraits

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<v Speaker 1>that he has taken, and again you've seen his work.

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01:07:41.119 --> 01:07:44.800
<v Speaker 1>He has shot Kentucky coaches and players. It's the black

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01:07:44.840 --> 01:07:47.639
<v Speaker 1>and white photos that you might see in the paper

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01:07:47.760 --> 01:07:52.239
<v Speaker 1>or the pop up online, really stark contrast, always black

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<v Speaker 1>and white. You know one thing I also noticed, Mark,

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01:07:54.719 --> 01:07:56.920
<v Speaker 1>do your subjects in those photos ever smile?

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<v Speaker 10>Well?

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<v Speaker 14>But with the I used to tell my bosses of

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<v Speaker 14>the Herald Leader because they asked me the same question.

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<v Speaker 10>Really, somebody has that magic.

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<v Speaker 14>If they have that magic Johnson smile, then you use

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01:08:09.039 --> 01:08:12.400
<v Speaker 14>it all day. But I'd say still, the majority of

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01:08:12.440 --> 01:08:14.719
<v Speaker 14>people who are getting a portrait made are not super

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<v Speaker 14>comfortable at that moment, So trying to get a smile

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01:08:17.760 --> 01:08:19.479
<v Speaker 14>out of him sometimes is more of a challenge.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. One of my faves was Colena Azabukie. You took

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01:08:23.960 --> 01:08:26.079
<v Speaker 1>a preseason photo of him, and of course he had

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01:08:26.079 --> 01:08:30.119
<v Speaker 1>that incredible physique and man, his muscles in front of

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01:08:30.159 --> 01:08:33.159
<v Speaker 1>your camera and your life just rippled. But I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what you were. Do you remember telling me the

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<v Speaker 1>story about how he pumped himself up for that photo.

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<v Speaker 14>Yeah, well, he when he found out what we were doing,

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01:08:42.119 --> 01:08:44.159
<v Speaker 14>and he saw a quick sample we were doing, and

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<v Speaker 14>you know, obviously the sample was not him, it was

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01:08:47.520 --> 01:08:50.199
<v Speaker 14>somebody else sitting in. So he saw the potential for

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01:08:50.279 --> 01:08:52.720
<v Speaker 14>the shadows. He broke down, started doing a few push ups,

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01:08:52.760 --> 01:08:57.239
<v Speaker 14>started running around the concourse a few times. So I

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<v Speaker 14>was you know, they're all a collaboration. You know, you

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01:09:00.159 --> 01:09:02.760
<v Speaker 14>need that, you need everybody involved. And so when they're

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01:09:02.800 --> 01:09:04.359
<v Speaker 14>going that far. I know they're involved.

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<v Speaker 1>I think somebody had told him that Chuck Hayes might

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01:09:06.720 --> 01:09:08.159
<v Speaker 1>have looked a little bit better that day.

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<v Speaker 14>And there's a lot of banter going on.

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01:09:11.000 --> 01:09:14.079
<v Speaker 1>For sure, he was not going to be outdone. But

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<v Speaker 1>one of the reasons we wanted to talk to Mark

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01:09:17.279 --> 01:09:19.720
<v Speaker 1>was because now you've got a new way of doing things,

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01:09:19.760 --> 01:09:22.720
<v Speaker 1>a new style that those We did a TV story

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<v Speaker 1>on Mark when he was taking those black and whites,

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01:09:25.520 --> 01:09:27.920
<v Speaker 1>because the camera you use was something out of the

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01:09:27.960 --> 01:09:32.479
<v Speaker 1>forties and now you're using a style that goes even

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<v Speaker 1>older than the forties.

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<v Speaker 10>Right, Yeah, we're back.

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01:09:36.479 --> 01:09:39.119
<v Speaker 14>We're back to the eighteen hundreds now with this new uh,

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01:09:39.520 --> 01:09:41.079
<v Speaker 14>with this new challenge, I'm trying.

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<v Speaker 10>To work out what is it called?

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01:09:43.520 --> 01:09:43.920
<v Speaker 1>What is that?

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<v Speaker 14>What it's called wet plate colodean is the technical term,

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01:09:48.039 --> 01:09:51.000
<v Speaker 14>but most people know it by the term of ten type,

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01:09:51.920 --> 01:09:54.439
<v Speaker 14>and it's the way photos were taken all through the

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<v Speaker 14>Civil War. Every picture you see of Abraham Lincoln was

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01:09:58.359 --> 01:10:00.760
<v Speaker 14>shot this way, although his were a lot time shot

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01:10:00.800 --> 01:10:03.920
<v Speaker 14>on glass. It's the same process they used to shoot

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01:10:03.960 --> 01:10:06.439
<v Speaker 14>them all on glass. But what was happening was the

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01:10:06.439 --> 01:10:08.960
<v Speaker 14>Civil War soldiers were wanting to mail their photos home

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01:10:09.000 --> 01:10:11.560
<v Speaker 14>to their families, and the photos weren't making it because

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01:10:11.560 --> 01:10:14.279
<v Speaker 14>the glass was breaking before they got home. So a

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01:10:14.279 --> 01:10:16.239
<v Speaker 14>guy in eighteen fifty one figured out how to do

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<v Speaker 14>it on metal, and that was the way photography was

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01:10:19.119 --> 01:10:19.920
<v Speaker 14>done for about.

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<v Speaker 10>The next forty years before film was invented.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so when you're watching a movie that's set in

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01:10:26.840 --> 01:10:29.800
<v Speaker 1>that period and they had that big box of a

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01:10:29.880 --> 01:10:32.399
<v Speaker 1>camera and everybody's got a hold perfectly still and they

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01:10:32.399 --> 01:10:36.600
<v Speaker 1>pull the thing off the lens, those were similar kinds of.

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<v Speaker 10>Photography, exactly the same.

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<v Speaker 14>And sometimes you would even see somebody holding stuff up

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01:10:41.439 --> 01:10:44.359
<v Speaker 14>that would cause an explosion, and that was their version

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<v Speaker 14>of a flash at the time. Because these are very

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<v Speaker 14>not light sensitive plates compared to today's cameras and even film.

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01:10:51.239 --> 01:10:54.039
<v Speaker 14>You know, you're used to buy film in different speeds

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01:10:54.079 --> 01:10:56.560
<v Speaker 14>based on where you were shooting, and you started at

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01:10:56.560 --> 01:10:58.720
<v Speaker 14>one hundred and went up to thirty two hundred or more.

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01:10:59.119 --> 01:11:03.119
<v Speaker 14>These plates are one wow, so not a lot of

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01:11:03.319 --> 01:11:05.079
<v Speaker 14>You need a lot of lights. So people were having

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01:11:05.119 --> 01:11:07.239
<v Speaker 14>to hold still either hold still for a you know,

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01:11:07.359 --> 01:11:10.840
<v Speaker 14>several sometimes up to thirty seconds. Other times you hit

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01:11:10.920 --> 01:11:12.439
<v Speaker 14>him with a flash, which is what I'm doing.

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01:11:12.479 --> 01:11:14.000
<v Speaker 10>It's a lot more instant.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, one of the ones you've posted on social

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01:11:17.800 --> 01:11:21.880
<v Speaker 1>media is a great image of Devin Burke's you Can't

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01:11:21.920 --> 01:11:25.880
<v Speaker 1>Catch Her. Let's bring this back to sports, and he's

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01:11:25.920 --> 01:11:29.000
<v Speaker 1>standing in the stadium in uniform, he's got his catcher's

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01:11:29.039 --> 01:11:32.600
<v Speaker 1>gear on, the tools of ignorance and he's just looking

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01:11:32.640 --> 01:11:36.520
<v Speaker 1>out toward the field to his left. And just given

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01:11:36.560 --> 01:11:39.479
<v Speaker 1>the style of this photography, it's it's black and white.

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01:11:39.840 --> 01:11:42.319
<v Speaker 1>I won't say it's harsh, but there's a lot of contrast,

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01:11:42.960 --> 01:11:45.840
<v Speaker 1>and you know, it almost looks like it's a gray

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01:11:46.000 --> 01:11:48.359
<v Speaker 1>kind of cloudy day. But that's the style, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 14>Yeah, I mean these that you know that there's not

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01:11:50.880 --> 01:11:53.199
<v Speaker 14>a lot of latitude as far as exposure and the

1351
01:11:53.239 --> 01:11:56.000
<v Speaker 14>different tones these things could see back then, yea. And

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01:11:56.079 --> 01:11:58.560
<v Speaker 14>he was actually about a two second picture there, so

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01:11:58.600 --> 01:12:00.680
<v Speaker 14>we knew. And you know, that's looks like it could

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01:12:00.680 --> 01:12:02.279
<v Speaker 14>have been shot in the Bay Bruce era, you know,

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01:12:02.319 --> 01:12:05.199
<v Speaker 14>as far as there really are timeless And that's what

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01:12:05.319 --> 01:12:07.159
<v Speaker 14>drew me back to it, you know. I just I

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01:12:07.199 --> 01:12:09.319
<v Speaker 14>had somebody tell me at the Lexaban Camera Club once

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01:12:09.359 --> 01:12:11.119
<v Speaker 14>that they loved my work, but that I seem to

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01:12:11.119 --> 01:12:12.439
<v Speaker 14>be going backwards.

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01:12:12.399 --> 01:12:14.279
<v Speaker 10>And I said, about as quickly as possible.

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<v Speaker 1>So why did you pose Devin like that? Because I've

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01:12:18.479 --> 01:12:20.560
<v Speaker 1>told this story before. We did a TV story on you,

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01:12:20.640 --> 01:12:23.000
<v Speaker 1>and at the end of it, you had me sit

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01:12:23.119 --> 01:12:25.119
<v Speaker 1>for a picture, not of this type, but of the

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01:12:25.399 --> 01:12:28.439
<v Speaker 1>previous but the older camera, and we went down to

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01:12:28.479 --> 01:12:30.640
<v Speaker 1>the TV set and I thought, I would, you know,

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01:12:30.680 --> 01:12:32.760
<v Speaker 1>sit at the anchor desk and pose like an idiot?

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01:12:33.079 --> 01:12:35.199
<v Speaker 1>And you had me turn around with my back to

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01:12:35.239 --> 01:12:38.359
<v Speaker 1>the cameras and put my feet up on the railing.

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<v Speaker 1>And I asked you later, you know, why did you

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<v Speaker 1>pose me like that? And you said, I don't remember.

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01:12:43.119 --> 01:12:46.600
<v Speaker 1>You said, because that's you, my personality.

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<v Speaker 10>So yeah, go ahead, go ahead, now, go ahead.

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01:12:49.680 --> 01:12:52.079
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say, you clearly put a lot of

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01:12:52.119 --> 01:12:57.479
<v Speaker 1>thought into into these poses. Now do you usually make

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01:12:57.520 --> 01:13:00.359
<v Speaker 1>the suggestions or does your subject make suggests? Since how

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01:13:00.359 --> 01:13:00.920
<v Speaker 1>does that work?

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01:13:01.800 --> 01:13:02.000
<v Speaker 10>You know?

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<v Speaker 14>Like I said, it's always a group decision. But a

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01:13:04.640 --> 01:13:07.439
<v Speaker 14>lot of times I'm my wheels start turning as soon

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01:13:07.439 --> 01:13:09.520
<v Speaker 14>as I know that person's coming, especially if I have

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01:13:09.560 --> 01:13:11.399
<v Speaker 14>any familiarity with them, which you know a lot of

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01:13:11.399 --> 01:13:14.840
<v Speaker 14>the athletes, of course I did, but with even normal people,

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01:13:15.119 --> 01:13:20.279
<v Speaker 14>normal people, non athletes, you know that people like ourselves, right, Yeah.

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01:13:20.319 --> 01:13:21.960
<v Speaker 14>You know, while I'm sitting there talking to them and

1386
01:13:22.000 --> 01:13:23.880
<v Speaker 14>I'm giving them some of the history and telling them things,

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01:13:23.920 --> 01:13:26.880
<v Speaker 14>I'm watching their mannerisms. I'm seeing what they're doing with

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01:13:26.920 --> 01:13:29.239
<v Speaker 14>their hands with you know, just in general, especially if

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01:13:29.279 --> 01:13:31.279
<v Speaker 14>I don't know them, and sometimes in the middle of

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01:13:31.319 --> 01:13:33.960
<v Speaker 14>our conversation, I'll say, hold it, that's what we're doing

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01:13:34.039 --> 01:13:35.760
<v Speaker 14>right there. You know, they'll just stop and they'll have

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01:13:35.800 --> 01:13:38.239
<v Speaker 14>their hand a certain way, or they'll be looking a

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01:13:38.279 --> 01:13:40.760
<v Speaker 14>certain way because otherwise, like I said, like the small

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01:13:41.880 --> 01:13:44.359
<v Speaker 14>in front of a camera, people stiffing up. Yeah, and

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01:13:44.479 --> 01:13:47.640
<v Speaker 14>so you know, I've gotten pretty good with the banter myself,

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01:13:47.680 --> 01:13:49.319
<v Speaker 14>you know. So you're talking them through, You're trying to

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01:13:49.319 --> 01:13:51.800
<v Speaker 14>get them comfortable really quick, because you know, really photography

1398
01:13:51.880 --> 01:13:54.760
<v Speaker 14>is you're dipping into somebody's life for you know, maybe

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01:13:54.760 --> 01:13:57.520
<v Speaker 14>a half hour probably less, and you got to get

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01:13:57.520 --> 01:13:59.640
<v Speaker 14>that shot and go, especially in the old journalism world

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01:13:59.680 --> 01:14:03.000
<v Speaker 14>where you told you had five minutes with somebody, you know,

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01:14:03.079 --> 01:14:06.479
<v Speaker 14>So trying to read people quickly and get something that

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01:14:06.560 --> 01:14:08.880
<v Speaker 14>really says something about them is what I'm trying to do.

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01:14:08.960 --> 01:14:11.439
<v Speaker 14>Show off their personality and a lot of times, those

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01:14:11.439 --> 01:14:12.479
<v Speaker 14>fake smiles, aren't it.

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01:14:12.880 --> 01:14:16.680
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, And you know people in mine I always.

1407
01:14:16.399 --> 01:14:19.279
<v Speaker 14>Liked the intensity of the athletes, you know, so I

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01:14:19.319 --> 01:14:21.520
<v Speaker 14>told that. I used to tell my bosses at the paper.

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01:14:21.560 --> 01:14:24.640
<v Speaker 14>I was like, you know, they want to look cool,

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01:14:24.960 --> 01:14:26.520
<v Speaker 14>and I want to make them look cool. And you know,

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01:14:26.600 --> 01:14:29.119
<v Speaker 14>them with a big cheesy smile on their face acting

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01:14:29.159 --> 01:14:31.199
<v Speaker 14>like they're fighting over a trophy or something is not

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01:14:31.479 --> 01:14:32.119
<v Speaker 14>what they want.

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01:14:32.159 --> 01:14:32.279
<v Speaker 4>You know.

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01:14:32.319 --> 01:14:34.000
<v Speaker 14>They want to look like they're getting ready to come

1416
01:14:34.039 --> 01:14:35.359
<v Speaker 14>down to the railroad tracks on you.

1417
01:14:35.680 --> 01:14:38.720
<v Speaker 1>So what were you trying to say about Devin Burks

1418
01:14:38.720 --> 01:14:40.399
<v Speaker 1>the way you posed him?

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01:14:41.000 --> 01:14:43.119
<v Speaker 14>Well, he was just he's a very laid back kid,

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01:14:43.239 --> 01:14:45.960
<v Speaker 14>you know, as far as but also very present. You know,

1421
01:14:46.079 --> 01:14:47.239
<v Speaker 14>he was into all of it.

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01:14:47.279 --> 01:14:47.439
<v Speaker 10>You know.

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01:14:47.600 --> 01:14:50.039
<v Speaker 14>We did about three different pictures and we did a

1424
01:14:50.039 --> 01:14:51.880
<v Speaker 14>real tight one with him with his mask on. We

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01:14:51.920 --> 01:14:54.239
<v Speaker 14>did a three quarter with him with his arms crossed,

1426
01:14:54.239 --> 01:14:57.680
<v Speaker 14>you know, which just looks cool, but it's also and

1427
01:14:57.720 --> 01:14:59.239
<v Speaker 14>then I was like, we need to let this picture

1428
01:14:59.279 --> 01:15:00.840
<v Speaker 14>breathe a little bit, you know, I wanted some more

1429
01:15:00.920 --> 01:15:03.840
<v Speaker 14>environment in it, and so just putting him off to

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01:15:03.880 --> 01:15:06.239
<v Speaker 14>the side and you know, having him you know a

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01:15:06.319 --> 01:15:08.119
<v Speaker 14>lot of times while we were talking. He was standing

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01:15:08.159 --> 01:15:10.359
<v Speaker 14>almost just like that. So I was like, that's exactly

1433
01:15:10.399 --> 01:15:12.359
<v Speaker 14>what we want. But let's go over here and do it,

1434
01:15:12.439 --> 01:15:14.079
<v Speaker 14>because I just want to fill in that background a

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01:15:14.079 --> 01:15:15.359
<v Speaker 14>little more and give some atmosphere.

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01:15:15.560 --> 01:15:20.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well it'd work, brother. I appreciate it, really, really impressive.

1437
01:15:21.159 --> 01:15:23.880
<v Speaker 1>It's on again. It's on Mark's Facebook page if you

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01:15:23.920 --> 01:15:26.439
<v Speaker 1>want to go Mark Cornelis and c R N E L.

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01:15:26.640 --> 01:15:29.319
<v Speaker 1>S O N. You got several pictures of Santa Claus,

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01:15:29.600 --> 01:15:30.239
<v Speaker 1>Jack Patty.

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01:15:30.920 --> 01:15:33.039
<v Speaker 14>Yeah, well, Jack Patty's been a he he loves the

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01:15:33.079 --> 01:15:36.279
<v Speaker 14>process and you know, especially as as Santa, so we've

1443
01:15:36.479 --> 01:15:40.039
<v Speaker 14>photographed him several times. And I'm actually going to be

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01:15:40.039 --> 01:15:41.840
<v Speaker 14>a big part of a photo show at the end

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01:15:41.880 --> 01:15:44.439
<v Speaker 14>of this year called the Louisville Photo Biennial, and I'm

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01:15:44.479 --> 01:15:47.239
<v Speaker 14>going to have a show up in Frankfurt in the

1447
01:15:47.600 --> 01:15:51.560
<v Speaker 14>Grand Theater, big list of people that I want to

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01:15:51.600 --> 01:15:53.199
<v Speaker 14>put in there. You know, I want it to be

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01:15:53.359 --> 01:15:57.199
<v Speaker 14>your everyday guy, civilian if you will. But also I've

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01:15:57.239 --> 01:15:59.000
<v Speaker 14>just got too much history with a lot of the

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01:15:59.399 --> 01:16:01.600
<v Speaker 14>athletes and even some that I don't know, but I've

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01:16:01.600 --> 01:16:03.399
<v Speaker 14>been around him so much. I'm like, I think this

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01:16:03.439 --> 01:16:05.119
<v Speaker 14>will work. So I've got you know, I want to

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01:16:05.159 --> 01:16:07.600
<v Speaker 14>get Goose Gibbings in there. I want to get Derek

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01:16:07.680 --> 01:16:08.479
<v Speaker 14>Ramsey in there.

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01:16:08.520 --> 01:16:11.199
<v Speaker 10>You know, I'm trying to get hold of Tim Couch. Also.

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<v Speaker 14>I have some old high school pictures of Tim Couch

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<v Speaker 14>I think he'd probably love to have at some point.

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<v Speaker 14>But you know, I want to mix in some of

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<v Speaker 14>that history with with you know, your your with everybody else.

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<v Speaker 10>I think it'd be kind.

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<v Speaker 14>Of a cool also a document of Kentucky because the

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01:16:24.880 --> 01:16:27.159
<v Speaker 14>cool thing about this process I'm doing now is these

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<v Speaker 14>pictures will last one hundred and seventy five years.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, wow.

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<v Speaker 14>And they say this is the most photographed generation ever

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01:16:34.039 --> 01:16:35.720
<v Speaker 14>that will have nothing to show for it in twenty

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<v Speaker 14>years because it's all on a device.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, That's exactly right. Do you You mentioned Jack

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01:16:41.840 --> 01:16:44.960
<v Speaker 1>and Derek and Tim, and you've shot, as I said,

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01:16:45.000 --> 01:16:47.319
<v Speaker 1>scores of athletes and games. I guess you don't get

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<v Speaker 1>to do that as much. Do you miss that? Because

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01:16:50.279 --> 01:16:54.039
<v Speaker 1>your your your work now is people posing as opposed

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01:16:54.079 --> 01:16:57.319
<v Speaker 1>to action photos, which is one reason I know young

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01:16:57.359 --> 01:17:01.960
<v Speaker 1>photographers like to go towards sports to capture action. Do

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01:17:02.039 --> 01:17:02.600
<v Speaker 1>you miss that?

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01:17:03.520 --> 01:17:05.800
<v Speaker 14>I miss it sometimes, but I don't miss it. As

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01:17:06.039 --> 01:17:07.960
<v Speaker 14>you know, I was able to do so many amazing

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01:17:08.000 --> 01:17:10.159
<v Speaker 14>things when I was at the paper in Cuba's and

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01:17:10.159 --> 01:17:13.000
<v Speaker 14>some Super Bowls and other things that I just couldn't

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01:17:13.000 --> 01:17:16.239
<v Speaker 14>be happier with the way that ended up. And especially

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01:17:16.239 --> 01:17:19.520
<v Speaker 14>with let's say, UK basketball. It's such a crowded floor

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01:17:19.560 --> 01:17:22.279
<v Speaker 14>down there, yep. And yes, I could get a seat,

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01:17:22.479 --> 01:17:24.800
<v Speaker 14>but I'd rather just let some new guy who really

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01:17:24.880 --> 01:17:27.319
<v Speaker 14>wants to be there have that seat and experience what

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01:17:27.399 --> 01:17:29.520
<v Speaker 14>I did, you know. So I go every now and then,

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01:17:29.520 --> 01:17:31.319
<v Speaker 14>and if I do, sometimes I'll go and I'll take

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01:17:31.720 --> 01:17:33.479
<v Speaker 14>one of these old cameras and shoot with it just

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01:17:33.479 --> 01:17:35.199
<v Speaker 14>to see what I can get. And it's fun and

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01:17:35.800 --> 01:17:37.079
<v Speaker 14>that kind of thing. And every now and then I

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01:17:37.119 --> 01:17:39.199
<v Speaker 14>help out athletics if they need another shooter, you know,

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<v Speaker 14>to do the real Yeah. In general, I just don't.

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01:17:42.279 --> 01:17:44.960
<v Speaker 14>I don't feel like I need to crowd up that baseline,

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01:17:45.000 --> 01:17:45.479
<v Speaker 14>Lenk give it.

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01:17:45.680 --> 01:17:46.800
<v Speaker 10>Let the young guys have it.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you aspire to take any kind of photo of

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01:17:51.880 --> 01:17:53.399
<v Speaker 1>Mark Pope, any kind of portrait?

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<v Speaker 10>Oh?

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<v Speaker 14>Absolutely. And the funny thing is that picture of Mark

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<v Speaker 14>Pope getting off the bus in ninety six where he's

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01:17:59.760 --> 01:18:01.800
<v Speaker 14>holding up the trophy that that was my photo.

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01:18:01.880 --> 01:18:03.960
<v Speaker 10>Oh really, So I'm.

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01:18:03.840 --> 01:18:06.920
<v Speaker 14>Already ready for him because I told Ded Moore, I said, look,

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01:18:07.319 --> 01:18:09.560
<v Speaker 14>that's my photo. So Mark already owes me. You know,

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01:18:09.600 --> 01:18:12.840
<v Speaker 14>wait that picture. That picture was his signature when he

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01:18:12.880 --> 01:18:13.840
<v Speaker 14>first got here, so.

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01:18:14.159 --> 01:18:16.279
<v Speaker 1>Which they recreated when he came in.

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<v Speaker 10>Off the bus right right. So I felt I felt

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01:18:20.039 --> 01:18:20.840
<v Speaker 10>proud that day.

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<v Speaker 14>And you know when I see the kids holding up

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01:18:22.720 --> 01:18:25.119
<v Speaker 14>the holding it up in the in the eruption zone,

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<v Speaker 14>I'm like, yeah, I love that. So I told her

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01:18:28.119 --> 01:18:30.039
<v Speaker 14>I was going to wait till the Mark Pope waves

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01:18:30.119 --> 01:18:32.119
<v Speaker 14>kind of subsided, but of course that's not going to

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01:18:32.119 --> 01:18:33.560
<v Speaker 14>probably be till after the season.

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01:18:33.800 --> 01:18:36.039
<v Speaker 10>So I'm just waiting my turn on that one.

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01:18:36.159 --> 01:18:40.319
<v Speaker 1>Anytime it happens, it'll be great. Is Mark Cornelissen. Cornelison

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01:18:40.399 --> 01:18:43.399
<v Speaker 1>ten Types is the company. But go to Facebook if

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01:18:43.399 --> 01:18:44.960
<v Speaker 1>you want to see what his work looks like. Mark,

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01:18:45.000 --> 01:18:48.279
<v Speaker 1>always a pleasure, you know. I love your work. Congratulations

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01:18:48.319 --> 01:18:49.000
<v Speaker 1>and best of luck.

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<v Speaker 10>Thanks so much, Dick. I appreciate you.

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01:18:52.079 --> 01:18:54.920
<v Speaker 1>It really is great what Mark does. This style of

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01:18:54.960 --> 01:18:58.119
<v Speaker 1>photography and the style that he was doing before with

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01:18:58.199 --> 01:19:01.720
<v Speaker 1>the old nineteen forty whatever cam was great as well,

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01:19:02.680 --> 01:19:05.479
<v Speaker 1>just just something different because there are just millions of

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01:19:05.479 --> 01:19:09.199
<v Speaker 1>images out there and Mark has taken this the standard

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01:19:09.239 --> 01:19:12.439
<v Speaker 1>sports images through the years. What came up with? Something new,

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01:19:12.560 --> 01:19:14.479
<v Speaker 1>something different, and I urge you to check it out.

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01:19:14.880 --> 01:19:17.920
<v Speaker 1>Thanks to Mark, Thanks to Sean Woods, thanks to Darryl Bird.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good night from the garage in Lexington.

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<v Speaker 6>These pretzels are making me thirsty.

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<v Speaker 3>These pretzels are making me thirsty.

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<v Speaker 11>No no, see that's no good. You don't know how

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<v Speaker 11>to act.

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<v Speaker 13>These are pretzels. I'm making me thirsty.

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<v Speaker 8>Nata