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<v Speaker 1>Hello two hour Rose Pricks and bord af followers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Ai, yes, and I just wo what I just

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<v Speaker 2>as we were okay, so sorry I cut you off

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<v Speaker 2>because I got excited.

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<v Speaker 1>No, go ahead, please, we're talking.

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<v Speaker 2>This is gonna be, I guess, our last ever thing

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<v Speaker 2>about Hannah Kobayashi.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're done.

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<v Speaker 2>We're kind of wrapping this up. But just as we started,

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<v Speaker 2>Stephanie's like, I got a lot to read you. I've

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<v Speaker 2>got I've been doing some digging, I got stuff. And

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<v Speaker 2>just as you said that, I opened our friend Steve

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<v Speaker 2>San Francisco investigates.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you see that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I have that too. I've got that open too.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's get into it, because all right, my husband found.

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<v Speaker 1>Our girl is back. She's back, and.

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<v Speaker 2>She thriving, thriving, big time, thriving.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we could start with her statement, but we

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<v Speaker 1>could also What I was thinking was this is there's

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<v Speaker 1>like a weird thing where she's lawyered up basically.

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<v Speaker 2>And the lawyer met her at the border. Yes, like

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<v Speaker 2>hand in hand. They crossed back into the United States

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<v Speaker 2>from Mexico.

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<v Speaker 1>And the lawyer something is weird with this lawyer. But

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<v Speaker 1>this lawyer, his name is Doug Cary. He wrote this

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<v Speaker 1>whole ass blog post about the whole story. This guy

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<v Speaker 1>is exploiting. I mean I say that as.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, as we do like twenty podcasts about it.

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<v Speaker 2>But listen, that's our job to do these podcasts. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So he has a blog right, which is called Doug

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<v Speaker 1>Cary k A r I, and it's got his book's

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<v Speaker 1>case a log blog contact and this is called the

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<v Speaker 1>Case Vanna Kobayashi. And he's a lawyer.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, isn't that enough money? I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right, Okay, So I'm just going to go through.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's got all these pictures. I'm just going to

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<v Speaker 1>go through. December eleventh update.

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<v Speaker 2>So it.

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<v Speaker 1>He goes through, like maybe I could scroll to the

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<v Speaker 1>bottom and just start with like, okay, you know what, No,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna I'm gonna start at the top. It's the

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<v Speaker 1>it's the best way to go. I'm just gonna kind

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<v Speaker 1>of skim through this because most of this we know.

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<v Speaker 1>But in case you're just tuning in, he has an update.

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<v Speaker 1>Hanna Kobayashi traveled to Mexico. This is December eleventh. Hanna

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<v Speaker 1>Kobayashi traveled to Mexico after allegedly getting married to an

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<v Speaker 1>Argentinian man. As of this afternoon, Hannah's family has reported

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<v Speaker 1>she's been found safe and sound. The attorney for Hannah's mother,

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<v Speaker 1>it's this is weird.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>This guy's an attorney and this is his blog. But

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<v Speaker 1>he keeps spelling Hannah's name wrong. That is spelling it

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<v Speaker 1>different ways. But the two main ways our h A

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<v Speaker 1>N N A H. But he's also written h A

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<v Speaker 1>N N A at. For Hannah's mother, Brandy Yee and

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<v Speaker 1>sister Sidney Kobayashi issued a statement asking for privacy so

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<v Speaker 1>that Hannah can quote, process the events and heal. As

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<v Speaker 1>to the man that Hannah allegedly married before she traveled

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<v Speaker 1>to Mexico, Los Angeles Magazine revealed his identity as Alan

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas kakas c ac Acee. That's unnecessary to use that

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<v Speaker 1>many c's in your name.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a lot of c's in weirdly placed to trip

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<v Speaker 1>us up. On November eighth, Hannah and Kaka Kaka flew

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<v Speaker 1>to Maui to lax to be on the way to

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<v Speaker 1>New York. We know all this, but something happened. She

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<v Speaker 1>missed her flight. Blah blah blah. Okay, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>skip down, and it says okay. Hannah's Instagram account identifies

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<v Speaker 1>her as quote and create our x like a creator

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<v Speaker 1>x okay, aphrodite activist and then woman spelled wom x

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<v Speaker 1>n artist who is quote here to stoke your healing

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<v Speaker 1>and creative journey. Hannah's Flicker account contains two hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>ninety nine images offering Hannah's unique perspective on her surroundings

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<v Speaker 1>and herself, often natural settings enhanced with filters and bright colors. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>About two weeks before Hannah Vana, she allegedly married Alan Cacassi.

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<v Speaker 1>La Magazine apparently broke the story, but few of the

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<v Speaker 1>details have been confirmed by law enforcement. The man in

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<v Speaker 1>the photos is let's just call him Allan. He's thirty two,

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<v Speaker 1>he's from Buenos Aires. Then there's some stuff about based

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<v Speaker 1>on his investigation, so I guess he's an investigator and

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<v Speaker 1>now also her attorney.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he's a according to San Francisco investigates because they're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about it too. He's also a crime like a

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<v Speaker 2>true crime author, which San Francisco Steve puts in quotes.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, I'm not having it either. San Francisco

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<v Speaker 2>Steve is like, absolutely not with this guy. Right, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a whole thread. Okay, okay, So I'm gonna I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>gonna skip down. Obviously we don't need to. We all,

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<v Speaker 2>if we've been listening, know what happened. But I'll tell

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<v Speaker 2>you this also, I'll remind you of this part. On Saturday,

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<v Speaker 2>November tenth, Hannah went to the Grove at Tashion, a bookstore.

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<v Speaker 2>Hannah asked the store employees if she could charge her

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<v Speaker 2>phone while she grabbed a bite to eat. Hannah also

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<v Speaker 2>added her name and address to a mailing list in

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<v Speaker 2>her own handwriting.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's weird.

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<v Speaker 2>So we knew that, and we knew she'd gone to

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<v Speaker 2>the grove. We didn't know about that, but right, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>she was at two different events, two different days. That's

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<v Speaker 2>why it was all so ridiculous. She's being controlled like

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<v Speaker 2>a zombie, right, made her take drugs and go to

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<v Speaker 2>the Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>No, At seven nineteen pm, she sent a Venmo payment

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<v Speaker 1>to a man named Jonathan Taylor. No, that's not my husband, guys, stop,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even think about that for a quote reading,

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<v Speaker 1>which her family believes was a tarot card reading. Then

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<v Speaker 1>she was spotted again. We know this. At the Grove

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<v Speaker 1>at the Nike sponsored Lebron James thing that evening, she

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<v Speaker 1>returned to Lax and spoke with a ticketing agent, and

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know where she spent the night. Then, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>on Monday, November eleventh, she sent a series of text

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<v Speaker 1>messages to family and friends. The latest reports suggest these

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<v Speaker 1>texts may allude to the fake marriage scheme. Hi, loves,

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<v Speaker 1>I just finished a very intense spiritual awakening. I'm charging

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<v Speaker 1>my phone and heading back to the airport to get

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<v Speaker 1>to New York City. I might need some help getting there.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a long story. I'll keep you posted. So we

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know about that text. No, I did not know

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<v Speaker 1>about that text. So what is the long story? I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. But then there's another text I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>read you that. There's four in a row. I got

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<v Speaker 1>tricked pretty much into giving away all my funds for

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<v Speaker 1>someone I thought I loved. Then the next one, sorry

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<v Speaker 1>for a craziness was definitely intercepted. Then the next one

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<v Speaker 1>deep packers wipe my identity, stole all my funds, and

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<v Speaker 1>have had me on a mind fuck since Friday.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's psychosis, right. We talked about that that sounds

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<v Speaker 2>just like psychosis.

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<v Speaker 1>Something's weird for sure. Yes, on Monday afternoon, she went

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<v Speaker 1>back to lax, her phone ping for the last time

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<v Speaker 1>around four pm and then she was disconnected. Did they

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<v Speaker 1>show her picking up her bags? Okay? Then a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of this we know. She was shown on a metro

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<v Speaker 1>light rail system with a guy that she'd met there

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<v Speaker 1>headed to the Union station. Then the family was trying

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<v Speaker 1>to go like, that's the guy. He was a black man,

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<v Speaker 1>but he had nothing to do with it because we

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<v Speaker 1>saw her going into Mexico. Okay, so then this guy says,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just skipping all the way down, says when I

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<v Speaker 1>inter Hannah's aunt, Laurie Pigeon Lauri. Of course he spells

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<v Speaker 1>it Laurie like la u r i e, which is

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<v Speaker 1>not how it's spelled, but it was pretty sure it's

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<v Speaker 1>Laurie like anyway. On December third, when writing an article

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<v Speaker 1>for The Long Beach Post, I don't know, she said.

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<v Speaker 1>Hannah never mentioned any plans to travel to Mexico. She

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't know anybody in Mexico. Pigeon told me she doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>speak Spanish. Pigeon said, I will not stop until I

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<v Speaker 1>can confirm she's safe and making these decisions of her

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<v Speaker 1>own accord. Okay, Okay, that's fair. So the two people, though,

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<v Speaker 1>Aunt Laurie is represented by somebody separate, and then Sydney

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<v Speaker 1>and the mom are represented by a different lawyer. This

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<v Speaker 1>has all gotten so crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Why so many lawyers? Why do we even need Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll come back to that.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll come back to the lawyers, right, So in a

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<v Speaker 1>bizarre Okay, so the dad, They found the dad twelve

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<v Speaker 1>of twelve days after she crossed into Mexico, which I

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<v Speaker 1>just think is interesting for the timeline. So she was

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<v Speaker 1>in Mexico that hold for twelve days.

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<v Speaker 2>And somebody knew that, yes, and they didn't tell the dad.

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<v Speaker 2>So the dad was just like overwhelming.

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<v Speaker 1>It says, Although some people posted comments blaming Hannah for

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<v Speaker 1>her father's death, reportedly they were estranged.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I would never and I personally didn't feel

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<v Speaker 2>that way. I don't think we could ever be responsible

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<v Speaker 2>for someone else's suicide. Like she obviously was having some

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<v Speaker 2>stuff going on, needed to wanted to go to, like

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<v Speaker 2>some kind of yoga retreat Mexico. People disappear sometimes, So

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<v Speaker 2>she's not responsible in that way, Like I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>she would ever purposely want I don't know her, but

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<v Speaker 2>I can't imagine based on like how spiritual she is.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that was her plan, right to be

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<v Speaker 2>fair to her. But okay, okay, so now she's back,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just want to read everybody her statement because

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<v Speaker 2>it's weird, and then we can talk about it and

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<v Speaker 2>then you tell us about Okay, So here's her statement

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<v Speaker 2>now that she's back.

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<v Speaker 1>Quote at daybreak?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, who uses the phrase daybreak? At day break?

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<v Speaker 1>Daybreak? Are you a songwriter? What are you doing at daybreak?

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<v Speaker 1>On December fifteenth? I crossed the border back into the

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<v Speaker 1>United States Capital U capital S. Why would you not

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<v Speaker 1>just say the US, like into the United States of

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<v Speaker 1>the America, United States, these United States, these sovereign United Okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>my focus is now on my healing, my peace, and

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<v Speaker 1>my creativity. Okay, we have to talk about the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that she just said her focus is on her creativity. Bitch, please,

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<v Speaker 1>what are you talking about? Your focus is on your creativity.

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<v Speaker 1>The whole fucking world was looking for you, right, You're

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<v Speaker 1>you're like ruining lives and using taxpayers money and but

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<v Speaker 1>you're focused on your creativity.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, this is not the first time. I mean, we're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna save this for another time. We're gonna keep going

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<v Speaker 2>with this. But I have a whole other story that

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<v Speaker 2>reminds me so much of this and her creativity, Like

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<v Speaker 2>what are you what are you talking? You mean the

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<v Speaker 2>Netflix deal that you're already getting, You know that all

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<v Speaker 2>that shit's already happening, or she's going to get a

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<v Speaker 2>book deal, Like she's gonna get all this shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Guys. I was doing some thinking, some deep thinking, and

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<v Speaker 1>coming up with some pitches for Netflix, and I really

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<v Speaker 1>think I have, like can I practice it on you, guys?

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<v Speaker 2>Carry me out a multiicam? Well done? So I just

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<v Speaker 2>picture this. There's a there's a couch in the middle,

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<v Speaker 2>and behind the couch there's some stairs, and then the

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<v Speaker 2>mom and dad are going to be kind of mismatched.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm way too hot for dad, hear me out. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>my god, I'm gonna play myself.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So she says, I am deeply grateful to my

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<v Speaker 1>during this time. Okay, I was unaware of everything that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm still processing it all I kindly ask for respect

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<v Speaker 1>for myself, my family, and my loved ones as I

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<v Speaker 1>navigate through this challenging time. Thank you for your understanding. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>nothing about her dad. Let me just let me just

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<v Speaker 1>read you this please.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So she this is from San Francisco Investigates Steve,

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<v Speaker 2>our dear friend. I like, you know, it feels like

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<v Speaker 2>we're kind of close to him. We've never met him,

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<v Speaker 2>but we just.

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<v Speaker 1>Such good friends with him, though, And I wish we.

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<v Speaker 2>Could have him on the show he was on Nancy Grace.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to reach out to him and be like,

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<v Speaker 2>can do our podcast. We will not yell at you

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<v Speaker 2>the way Nancy Grace did. For no reason. She just

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<v Speaker 2>yelled at Steve the whole time. She's like, Steve, now

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<v Speaker 2>you're being cage He wasn't being caves answering the best

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<v Speaker 2>he could. She was yelling at him, being cagey. She

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<v Speaker 2>said something like that in Cagy but she was just like,

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<v Speaker 2>what does that mean? I'm not going to give you

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<v Speaker 2>softball quest like as though he'd done something wrong. Right, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you're not going to give him softball questions? Okay, thanks Nancy,

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<v Speaker 2>You're so tough. Nancy Grace so Hannah, here's what Steve wrote.

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<v Speaker 2>Hannah issued a completely tone deaf statement, saying, quote, I

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<v Speaker 2>was unaware of everything that was happening in the media

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<v Speaker 2>while I was away. Yet she hired a lawyer to

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<v Speaker 2>come to Mexico and bring her back across the border.

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<v Speaker 2>She fails to think law enforcement, the thousands of people

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<v Speaker 2>who volunteered and searched on the ground and online, or

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<v Speaker 2>those who donated to support the search efforts. So people

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<v Speaker 2>are talking, and one person said, I'm surprised her lawyers

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<v Speaker 2>did not help her write a better statement. Perhaps her

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<v Speaker 2>attorney is also tone deaf. And then that's when Steve wrote,

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<v Speaker 2>he is a crime true crime author. So dot dot

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<v Speaker 2>dot ah, shady Steve. I'll read you a couple more

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<v Speaker 2>of the comments.

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<v Speaker 1>What if Steve is actually reality Steve?

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<v Speaker 2>And then he's living in a secret life, and then

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<v Speaker 2>we blow the cover off that. Now this is interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Somebody on Twitter wrote or ex wrote, I implore you.

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<v Speaker 2>This is what someone said they're mad at Steve. They wrote,

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<v Speaker 2>I implore you as a trafficking victor. Okay, I'm already

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<v Speaker 2>flagged there, but okay, sure, as a trafficking victim who

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<v Speaker 2>did not register what happened to me right away when

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<v Speaker 2>I got home safe. Okay, what to consider that in

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<v Speaker 2>cases like this something bad might have happened, she might

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<v Speaker 2>not be coping based on expectations of what we only

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<v Speaker 2>see in the media. Give it time, Steve writes back,

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<v Speaker 2>I know more about this case than I disclosed. There

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<v Speaker 2>is zero to suggest she is a trafficking victim. She's not.

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<v Speaker 1>Why does everybody want to talk like everything is trafficking now?

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<v Speaker 2>It's so ridiculous. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's not. It's not like that common right, Like I

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<v Speaker 2>guess it's it.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is not happening with a thirty one year

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<v Speaker 1>old woman who crossed into the border on her own.

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<v Speaker 2>On a vacation with like her friends.

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<v Speaker 1>And was already acting like this. It's not just are

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<v Speaker 1>you just going like, oh, something happened to her in

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<v Speaker 1>Mexico for a few days.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's like the same people that think every time

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<v Speaker 2>there's a drone, you know that it's an alien. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>you guys are just not saying it like you guys know,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like, no, it's not. It's clearly not. The

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<v Speaker 2>aliens would not like crash into New Jersey. It's not happening.

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<v Speaker 2>So then the trafficking victim, who's now all up in

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<v Speaker 2>it not getting a lot of views, said I did

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<v Speaker 2>not say she was trafficked. I said, I am so wait,

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<v Speaker 2>are this person currently being trafficked? But like, just tell

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<v Speaker 2>it was on this thread. Yeah, didn't cope as expected

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<v Speaker 2>according to others. I understand that sometimes you have to

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<v Speaker 2>be deprogrammed if there was let's say cult or.

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<v Speaker 1>Abuse, but this she was gone for four years, right.

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<v Speaker 2>No, someone's like this person said, I feel terrible for

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<v Speaker 2>what happened to you, but please get help if this

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<v Speaker 2>is triggering for you, Like why are you up in this?

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<v Speaker 2>What are you doing?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>And then the person went back, I'm not triggered. You're

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<v Speaker 2>assuming that based on three comments. We're assuming it based

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<v Speaker 2>on the fact that you said you were trafficked and

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<v Speaker 2>didn't even register it, and so that we should all

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<v Speaker 2>give grace. Okay, this person might be a little nuts

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<v Speaker 2>like that. We're not here for that.

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<v Speaker 1>It is weird, though, I'm going to just go back

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<v Speaker 1>to something. Laurie's name is spelled l A ri i E.

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<v Speaker 1>It's aunt Laurie, right, So the guy who's her lawyer,

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<v Speaker 1>can't keep her name spelled consistently, and doesn't can't spell

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<v Speaker 1>consistently people in her family. I just think that thatir

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<v Speaker 1>not good. And he's an author, yeah, true crime author.

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<v Speaker 1>And Steve also says, I do not believe that she,

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<v Speaker 1>Steve is mad.

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<v Speaker 2>Steve's like, I don't believe that she was not aware,

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<v Speaker 2>meaning Hannah was not aware of what was going on.

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<v Speaker 2>She hired a lawyer, so clearly she was aware. Now

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<v Speaker 2>it is possible she wasn't aware up until the point

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<v Speaker 2>that the aunt was like, you got a lawyer up,

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<v Speaker 2>so maybe she wasn't aware for a while. Maybe right,

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<v Speaker 2>people are so mad? Someone said, I agree, it seems

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<v Speaker 2>more than a little unappreciative, and there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>emojis that seem unnecessary. I'm no expert in these things,

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<v Speaker 2>but could it possibly be she experienced some kind of

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<v Speaker 2>mental break with reality and is still experiencing it, like

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<v Speaker 2>needs medication or counseling or something, or does her coming

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<v Speaker 2>home signal that she's completely fine, which is that's a

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<v Speaker 2>fair question. And then the first response is her family

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<v Speaker 2>is garbage. I'm not sure that that's helpful.

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<v Speaker 1>Sidney Kobayashi, the sister Yeah put out said something. What

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<v Speaker 1>she's saying, well, but I don't know when this is from,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm just going to read it to you. This

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<v Speaker 1>girl is an attention ho. She wrote, I think the

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<v Speaker 1>hardest truth about grief that you have to learn and

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<v Speaker 1>live with is that you will never stop grieving. You

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<v Speaker 1>have to learn to live with it. You have to

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<v Speaker 1>learn to live without them. It hurts a lot of days.

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<v Speaker 1>You will be in denial. A lot of days your

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<v Speaker 1>being will be a blur. Time will go by so quickly,

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<v Speaker 1>yet somehow terribly slow. Every day that goes by is

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<v Speaker 1>an aching reminder that you're one day further away from

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<v Speaker 1>the last time you were with them, Yet every day

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<v Speaker 1>that goes by, you know, is one day closer to

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<v Speaker 1>being with them again. It's a messy fine line of

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<v Speaker 1>being grateful for the time you have here with the

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<v Speaker 1>people who are still here and love you, but the

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<v Speaker 1>time you have here is without this person. So how

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<v Speaker 1>can you stay fully grateful and present? Grief is hard.

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<v Speaker 1>It's exhausting down to the soul. You want to be

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<v Speaker 1>with them, but you want to be here. You like

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<v Speaker 1>this life, but you like it less now they're gone.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess she's talking about the dad.

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<v Speaker 2>She's definitely talking about the dad, which must be a nightmare.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I feel for the sister, like if someone went.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's so tricky because like maybe she didn't

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<v Speaker 2>really know. They thought she was having a psychotic break.

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<v Speaker 2>They were worried for her safety. It's just the problem

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<v Speaker 2>is that they didn't reveal everything that they knew.

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody wrote. Somebody commented, no, Sydney, you are quote exhausting

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<v Speaker 1>down to the soul. You still have about forty four

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<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars to refund. And then somebody wrote, yes, I

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<v Speaker 1>agree regarding refunds, keeping any money that was not expended

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<v Speaker 1>up the quote search is highly unethical at minimum. And

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<v Speaker 1>then this person wrote four hours ago, they wrote, she's

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<v Speaker 1>now deleted this story.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh. Someone else wrote they're mad about what the creativity line.

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<v Speaker 2>They said, her creativity growth should not even be on

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<v Speaker 2>the list of things to do right now, which would

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<v Speaker 2>be kind of geez. It's unfortunate people spent so much

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<v Speaker 2>time in her case when there's thousands of legitimately missing

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<v Speaker 2>people that desperately need help and she's out there being creative.

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<v Speaker 2>She sure was successful so the.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean that that Obviously that line struck me

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<v Speaker 1>weird too, and you could say, you could say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>she didn't know, you know, she didn't know people were

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<v Speaker 1>looking for her, but now she knows what shit show

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<v Speaker 1>this was, so to be like, guys, my first priority

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<v Speaker 1>is my creativity.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm looking at her Instagram right now, which I've been

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<v Speaker 2>following pretty closely, and boy, are those followers moving up.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not that high. It's thirteen point five thousand, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it was like one, it was very low

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<v Speaker 2>before the story. She got her followers.

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<v Speaker 1>I got to say, like not really, like what does

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<v Speaker 1>it take to actually get good about the followers? Like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's really I mean the biggest news story

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<v Speaker 1>and you get like a few thousand.

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<v Speaker 2>I know what was she at originally? I don't remember

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<v Speaker 2>two or three thousand. She was at one point like

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<v Speaker 2>an eight. She's definitely gone up like five thousand in

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<v Speaker 2>the last couple of weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>If they were all, it means like she came back

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<v Speaker 1>and she was like, this is so embarrassing that I

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<v Speaker 1>don't have that many new followers. And she uses a

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<v Speaker 1>company to buy buy followers.

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<v Speaker 2>She hasn't posted anything other than the Nike thing. But

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<v Speaker 2>she does keep changing, like her bio, you know what

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that has changed a lot. She was constant.

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<v Speaker 2>That's another thing. Either somebody else took control of her phone,

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<v Speaker 2>which is what she tries to say, or she was

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<v Speaker 2>on the phone like remember she'd put like little pair

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<v Speaker 2>of eyes and be like are you watching me now?

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<v Speaker 2>Things like that, So she had to have known what

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<v Speaker 2>was going on. She knew people were looking for her

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<v Speaker 2>because her instat kept changing. That's very important to the story,

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<v Speaker 2>I think.

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<v Speaker 1>And I also just think it's weird that I mean, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>she wasn't, like, let's take this apart, she wasn't in

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<v Speaker 1>touch with her father, so they were a strange. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's the whole thing is kind of interesting. So I

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<v Speaker 1>guess she wouldn't have contacted her dad obviously they were strange, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And it sounds like things weren't awesome between her and

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<v Speaker 1>her sister.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree she was having some stuff. By the way,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm looking at who she's following on Insta, which I

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<v Speaker 2>find interesting. Etsy, that's fine, okay, she considers it, of course

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<v Speaker 2>an artist John Lennon, he's in there. I'm not naming everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>But then you get down to Twin Soul's Infinity, Twin

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<v Speaker 2>Flame Secret, Twin Flame Rising, Psychic Alexa.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, why are we not discussing an whole Twin Flames connection?

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<v Speaker 1>Why is that not being talked about? War?

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<v Speaker 2>Here's why, I think because we know, we knew this

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<v Speaker 2>from beginning, and by we like, somebody else found this

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<v Speaker 2>and we like, you know, it was very obvious that

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<v Speaker 2>that's who she followed. It's very obvious that that's part

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<v Speaker 2>of her world. But I guess it's like who do

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<v Speaker 2>you pinpoint? There's a lot of people in this colt.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't know how many, but I would say,

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<v Speaker 2>would you say, like one hundred thousand, there's got to

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<v Speaker 2>be at least In fact, let me go to a

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<v Speaker 2>twin Let me go to their site and see how

422
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<v Speaker 2>many people follow them, Like who do you look to? Like?

423
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<v Speaker 2>Who do you blame?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Like you know what I'm saying, Like what if if

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<v Speaker 2>let's say it was like scientology, Like where would you

427
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<v Speaker 2>start Tom Cruise? I guess there's like a it's just

428
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<v Speaker 2>like they sue Tom Cruise. I mean, there's so many

429
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<v Speaker 2>Twin Flames accounts it's hard to even like twin Flames

430
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<v Speaker 2>Universe has seventy four thousand followers, but that's probably not

431
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<v Speaker 2>even the main one, right right, Oh my god, somebody

432
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<v Speaker 2>I know, do you ever do somebody I know follows them?

433
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<v Speaker 2>I'm not surprised. That's fine, no judgment. You do you,

434
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<v Speaker 2>you do you.

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<v Speaker 1>I will just say, okay that because People magazine put

436
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<v Speaker 1>out a whole thing, right and on Monday, December sixteenth,

437
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<v Speaker 1>so that was yesterday. Lieutenant Doug Oldfield, a member of

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<v Speaker 1>the LA Police departments Missing Persons Unit, confirmed that they

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<v Speaker 1>quote received notification that Hannah Kobayashi crossed yesterday twelve fifteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Oldfield explained that Kobayashi's case is now closed, and she

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<v Speaker 1>spoke with Customs and Border Protection and quote presented herself

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<v Speaker 1>for entry into the US, adding that she quote appeared

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<v Speaker 1>to be in good health and did not appear to

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<v Speaker 1>be under any distress. In a statement provided by to

445
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<v Speaker 1>People by her aunt Laurie spelled la Rie Doug, Hannah

446
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<v Speaker 1>also confirmed she's back in the US and then she

447
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<v Speaker 1>gives the statement and then we already read the statement.

448
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<v Speaker 1>So she's just going to get creative. Y'all get ready

449
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<v Speaker 1>for some creativity. I mean, what do you feel what

450
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<v Speaker 1>kind of stuff you think some interpretive dance her her

451
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<v Speaker 1>sister and mother, Sydney and Brandy said in a statement

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<v Speaker 1>to people at the time through their attorney. So they

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<v Speaker 1>have an attorney, Sarah Azari? Why do they have an attorney?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think they had to get them to an attorneys? Yeah? What? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think they got an attorney to defend them

456
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<v Speaker 1>from the uh, stealing everybody's money?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's not even that much. I mean, I

458
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<v Speaker 2>don't I don't know. So, by the way, the attorney says,

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<v Speaker 2>this sounds in a second, they are incredibly relieved and grateful.

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<v Speaker 2>And then it says it was not clear at the

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<v Speaker 2>time when, where or how Hannah made contact with her family,

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<v Speaker 2>and Azari said there would be no further statement.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh. And then her quote is this past month has

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<v Speaker 1>been an unimaginable ordeal for our family, and we kindly

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<v Speaker 1>ask for privacy as we take time to heal and

466
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<v Speaker 1>process everything we have been through. The family shared quote.

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<v Speaker 1>We want to express our heartfelt thanks to everyone who

468
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<v Speaker 1>supported us during this difficult time. Your kindness and concern

469
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<v Speaker 1>have meant the world to us. Uh. Yeah, Doug. And

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<v Speaker 1>then the police guy, Doug Oldfield told people that they

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<v Speaker 1>learned quote miss Kobayashi was found from the family attorney,

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<v Speaker 1>so they if the police found it out from the

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<v Speaker 1>family's attorney. He added, the authorities had quote quote not

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<v Speaker 1>seen her, and at this point we have no reason

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<v Speaker 1>to compel her to see us. It's a meeting news story,

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<v Speaker 1>so she may decide to come with a lawyer, but

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<v Speaker 1>she's not obligated to speak to us. That is interesting

478
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<v Speaker 1>because what that means is like, she's not in trouble

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<v Speaker 1>with the police.

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<v Speaker 2>For and I don't think she should be. To be honest,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think. I don't know if it's so much

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<v Speaker 2>her fault as it is like the surrounding circus around it,

483
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<v Speaker 2>like she just didn't want to be around the people

484
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<v Speaker 2>that she was around, so she took off. It sounds

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<v Speaker 2>like she went to like I'd read somewhere something about

486
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<v Speaker 2>a yoga thing. She went to like some kind of

487
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<v Speaker 2>you know, twin flamesy retreat. I would imagine in Mexico

488
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<v Speaker 2>that's what she did. She's not a planner, I don't think.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't She's not somebody that if I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>make lunch plan I don't think she and I could

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<v Speaker 2>be friends. I could see me trying to make plans

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<v Speaker 2>with her for lunch and she'd be like, what this

493
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<v Speaker 2>does today say? You know, Like she's like, I'm sorry,

494
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<v Speaker 2>I'm in BALI what right we have plans? She's not

495
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<v Speaker 2>like she just drifts around, and that's her right. She's

496
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<v Speaker 2>a grown adult. She figured out a way to do that. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>The thing that really comes into question is like, what's

498
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<v Speaker 2>the immigration scam? Fraud? That's why they're That's why she

499
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<v Speaker 2>lawyered up, because that shit it's probably true. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>guess I don't know why the family had to lawyer

501
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<v Speaker 2>her up though.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And like why what we need some information? I

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<v Speaker 1>guess we don't because we're not going to talk about

504
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<v Speaker 1>this anymore. But the husband, why my husband being questioned?

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<v Speaker 1>We've not heard anything from that Alan guy.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Maybe it's just why these.

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<v Speaker 1>People are completely involved in this. They all were on

508
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<v Speaker 1>the plane together, right, I mean, it is that is weird.

509
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<v Speaker 1>That is weird that we're mostly hearing about her family. Well,

510
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<v Speaker 1>maybe we'll hear more about them. We'll keep on it.

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<v Speaker 1>There's some other cults that I'm going to bring to

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<v Speaker 1>your attention, but not today I know you have a

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<v Speaker 1>whole story about but it's not anybody you know, right, No.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm all down and this was the one. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I have different things, but the one that I keep

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<v Speaker 2>wanting to talk about is this other couple. We're going

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<v Speaker 2>to save this for because it's a whole show.

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<v Speaker 1>But tease, give us the teas.

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<v Speaker 2>The teas is that a similar thing happened with a

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<v Speaker 2>couple about five years ago, and that's all. That's your teas.

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<v Speaker 2>They disappeared and there was a major, like country wide search,

522
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<v Speaker 2>and I was very upset with the turnout.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting, but I just want to say it, like sort

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<v Speaker 1>of in conclusion, but don't you think it is very

525
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<v Speaker 1>strange that these people like that they're they're spending all

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<v Speaker 1>this time on like who the terror card reader that

527
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<v Speaker 1>she sent a venmo to. I'm not saying right this

528
00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:27.440
<v Speaker 1>minute they are, but they were. But yet you've got

529
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<v Speaker 1>her ex boyfriend who she was on the plane with.

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<v Speaker 1>You find out she was married to somebody. Why weren't

531
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<v Speaker 1>the police ever trying to talk to them?

532
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<v Speaker 2>Maybe they were, maybe that's just like secret, But if.

533
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<v Speaker 1>They did, what if they say we talked to these people, Yes,

534
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<v Speaker 1>we found out she was okay, this girl was legally

535
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<v Speaker 1>married to this guy. I never heard anything about him.

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<v Speaker 1>The family never talked about it.

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<v Speaker 2>They were the lawyers. They probably can't yet. That's probably

538
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<v Speaker 2>they have to. They're lawyering up to take care of it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I would imagine. But why, I said, but

540
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<v Speaker 2>nobody's even saying any thing, Like even the people on Reddit,

541
00:29:01.559 --> 00:29:04.279
<v Speaker 2>Why isn't anybody saying like, yeah, what the fuck is

542
00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:07.440
<v Speaker 2>going on with her husband? I'm sure they have to say.

543
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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure STI I mean Steve, I don't know. I'm

544
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<v Speaker 2>looking through his comments. I mean, he's there's so many

545
00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:18.519
<v Speaker 2>different places like he's right now just focused on her statement, right,

546
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<v Speaker 2>and even.

547
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<v Speaker 1>In us even we are, you know, parsing her statement

548
00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:25.640
<v Speaker 1>and talking about it's weird that she's talking about her

549
00:29:25.680 --> 00:29:29.839
<v Speaker 1>creativity and not saying anything about her dad. But yet

550
00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:35.440
<v Speaker 1>there's a whole ass husband and and a previously boyfriend

551
00:29:35.480 --> 00:29:37.200
<v Speaker 1>that was like, yeah, we were no contact, but then

552
00:29:37.240 --> 00:29:39.279
<v Speaker 1>we flew together. But I don't know where she is.

553
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<v Speaker 2>Somebody said, God, these are two interesting comments. One said,

554
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<v Speaker 2>I don't think she knew that's different than the husband's stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>She didn't know about the media stuff. This person said,

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<v Speaker 2>I said from day one, I bet she surfaces after

557
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<v Speaker 2>a month, as most of the retreats when you're detoxed

558
00:29:53.279 --> 00:29:56.039
<v Speaker 2>and doing psychedelic treatments, which is what I kind of said.

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<v Speaker 2>The girl I know from her insta she's into all that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's fine. Are usually about two weeks or a month,

561
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<v Speaker 2>sixty days whatever, so like that kind of that kind

562
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<v Speaker 2>of tracks too. But you're right, why are they not tying?

563
00:30:08.359 --> 00:30:10.319
<v Speaker 2>And then somebody else just wrote, she's like a serial

564
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<v Speaker 2>killer who gets off on seeing themselves in the news.

565
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<v Speaker 2>She knew and enjoyed being the center of potentional I

566
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<v Speaker 2>actually don't think that's true. It's not answering your question

567
00:30:19.359 --> 00:30:21.160
<v Speaker 2>about the husband. But I'm just looking at a different thing,

568
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<v Speaker 2>which I don't think.

569
00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:25.759
<v Speaker 1>That's true either, But it's but we're all talking about

570
00:30:25.799 --> 00:30:28.359
<v Speaker 1>her and what she was doing and what she's up to,

571
00:30:28.559 --> 00:30:32.720
<v Speaker 1>and there's been nothing about this fake marriage, and why

572
00:30:32.759 --> 00:30:35.880
<v Speaker 1>isn't this guy being held to account. I don't know

573
00:30:36.160 --> 00:30:39.160
<v Speaker 1>her husband. Maybe she just went to Mexico to do

574
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<v Speaker 1>some ayahuasca.

575
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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying that's exactly what she did. I think it's

576
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<v Speaker 2>very clear if you look at her insta what she

577
00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:47.079
<v Speaker 2>did and she has every right to do that.

578
00:30:47.279 --> 00:30:50.480
<v Speaker 1>She does, but she also left really scary kind of

579
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<v Speaker 1>text messages.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because she's being stolen a lot of drugs and

581
00:30:55.319 --> 00:30:58.640
<v Speaker 2>some psychosis. Whether which one came first, we don't know.

582
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<v Speaker 1>Yes, you're right, it could do psychosis, for sure.

583
00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:05.680
<v Speaker 2>She was just tripping balls. It's very easy to get

584
00:31:05.759 --> 00:31:12.240
<v Speaker 2>mushrooms like at the grove specifically. I'm not even kidding.

585
00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:17.200
<v Speaker 2>It's really really like no, I mean, in fact, it, Yeah,

586
00:31:17.240 --> 00:31:19.400
<v Speaker 2>that's clearly what she was doing. I kind of feel

587
00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:22.359
<v Speaker 2>sorry for her because she's just out of it and

588
00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:24.440
<v Speaker 2>now she's like, I just want to focus on my

589
00:31:24.680 --> 00:31:27.640
<v Speaker 2>art and just like my music and my sound wave

590
00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:30.119
<v Speaker 2>bells that I'm selling on Edsy.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, Oh my god. I can't wait for that.

592
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<v Speaker 2>All right, Well, well, if there's more to come, we'll

593
00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:38.359
<v Speaker 2>bring it, you know that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But there may not be, And if there is

595
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<v Speaker 1>not a lot, we're not going to talk about it.

596
00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:46.720
<v Speaker 1>We may we may just not talk about it anymore.

597
00:31:46.880 --> 00:31:51.359
<v Speaker 2>Although joy and happiness this holiday season creativity in the

598
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<v Speaker 2>United States of America, the United States, Thanks guys Talks

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<v Speaker 2>for being here. Wow. Think the