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<v Speaker 1>It's time for coffee and company, fueled by Thornton's on

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<v Speaker 1>Sports Talk seven nine day. Now here's Nick Coffee.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, most of our postgame shows for football are

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<v Speaker 2>on Saturday, and I try to have not necessarily a

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<v Speaker 2>different reaction, you know, because I think most people who

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<v Speaker 2>have an immediate reaction after a game, like maybe there's

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<v Speaker 2>some emotion involved that fades away, but like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't really change. But what I try to do

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<v Speaker 2>is just to bring some different perspective that maybe wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>discussed in the postgame show. But today's one of those

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<v Speaker 2>days where I feel exactly the same way I did

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<v Speaker 2>on Saturday as soon as we started the postgame shows

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<v Speaker 2>as I do now, although talking through these last couple

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<v Speaker 2>of hours has certainly helped. But when we talked all

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<v Speaker 2>off season about Louisville football expectations and whatnot, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like we were kind of on the same page, right,

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<v Speaker 2>like understanding that Louisville, you know, might not be in

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<v Speaker 2>everybody's preseason top twenty five. They're replacing so much at

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<v Speaker 2>running back. They've got transfers that you feel good about,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know what, so does everybody else. And some

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<v Speaker 2>of the transfers that Louisville brought in two of the

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<v Speaker 2>guys that are having really really good seasons. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>Tyler Shuck. I mean he's played five straight games without

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<v Speaker 2>getting injured. And I'm not making a joke. I'm being

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<v Speaker 2>genuine here, Like that was rare for him in his career.

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<v Speaker 2>So now you're seeing him in sync as a quarterback

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<v Speaker 2>and he's really good. You know, I don't think people

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<v Speaker 2>knew he could play the way he's playing before he

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<v Speaker 2>did it this season at Louisville. JA Cory Brooks, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>injuries were a factor, but took a big step back

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<v Speaker 2>last year mostly because injury. But still, like he's been

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<v Speaker 2>better than advertised. I think those two guys specifically have

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<v Speaker 2>been at this point, Dare I say, a lot better

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<v Speaker 2>than anybody would have thought. I mean, I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>anybody expected him to be bombs, but like the way

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<v Speaker 2>they're producing and really just watching Tyler Shuck, like you

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<v Speaker 2>can tell you've got a quarterback who's got the goods.

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<v Speaker 2>So when it comes to expectations, if you would have

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<v Speaker 2>asked the majority of the fan base, well, if you'd

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<v Speaker 2>asked the you know, if you'd pull the fan base

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<v Speaker 2>and asked, Okay, five games in, where do you think

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<v Speaker 2>they are? Three and two? I think would have been

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<v Speaker 2>a real big shocker, but I guess it's not crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>If you were somebody that really believed that SMU was,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a legitimate ACC contender, then maybe you would

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<v Speaker 2>say that they'd be three and two. But you probably

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<v Speaker 2>also would have said that Louisvill probably wasn't gonna win

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<v Speaker 2>a whole lot of gas this year, because if you

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<v Speaker 2>thought louis would be three and two at this point,

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<v Speaker 2>I bet you probably didn't have them winning eight games.

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<v Speaker 2>And I feel like if that's you, then you know

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<v Speaker 2>you're entitled to your opinion and you may up being right.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's not what the majority I feel like expected here,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think it's it's worth mentioning and it's worth something.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a silver lining that for the most part, when

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<v Speaker 2>it comes to personnel players talent outside of your offensive line,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I've seen anything that tells me, uh oh,

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<v Speaker 2>these guys aren't as good as they need to be

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<v Speaker 2>for Louisville to have a really good season this year.

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<v Speaker 2>So the old line has been underwhelming when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to pass protection, but it's not as if, like it's

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<v Speaker 2>not as if they've cost you games. To be honest

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<v Speaker 2>with you, if Louisville's defense didn't have some of the goofs,

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<v Speaker 2>if Louisville was a little bit more effective on fourth

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<v Speaker 2>down on these last couple of weeks, we'd probably still

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<v Speaker 2>we'd say the same thing about the old line as

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<v Speaker 2>we're saying now. But it only be if, like we're asked, like,

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<v Speaker 2>because you can over the offensive line again, I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's probably the weakness of this offense. And

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<v Speaker 2>really it's not close, but you can. You can get

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<v Speaker 2>past that. You can still put up a lot of points,

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<v Speaker 2>and they've shown that they can do that. You just can't,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, just on it up and run it down

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<v Speaker 2>somebody's throat with a guy like Donald Cheney. Just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>that doesn't work. We've learned that the hard way. So

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<v Speaker 2>you could be three and two and it could be

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<v Speaker 2>a real, you know, wake up call, a real humbling

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<v Speaker 2>experience to learn that. Yeah, the quarterback you brought in,

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<v Speaker 2>he stinks. Jacorey Brooks, Yeah he's damaged Goods. Colin Lacey,

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<v Speaker 2>which was he was pretty ineffective on Saturday, but I've

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<v Speaker 2>seen enough at South Alabama and even last week at

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<v Speaker 2>South Bend to know that he's got ability and he

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<v Speaker 2>could be a real big weapon for you. Defensively, you're

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you're missing Quincy Riley in a major way,

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<v Speaker 2>and that stinks. But I still don't think Louis's defense

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<v Speaker 2>this year. You know, clearly guy's got to make play.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm not saying that I'm watching a team when

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<v Speaker 2>it comes to talent and thinking oh, we're loaded. But again,

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<v Speaker 2>I think Louis's the biggest issues have nothing to do

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<v Speaker 2>with talent and personnel. It's about game plan, strategy, organization, communication.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's just a mess from top to bottom.

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<v Speaker 2>So it would be worse if you just were sitting

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<v Speaker 2>here at three and two and you felt like, man,

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<v Speaker 2>we went to the portal. And Louisville does, in fact

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<v Speaker 2>rely on the portal a little bit more than most programs.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if you just look at the amount of

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<v Speaker 2>guys they bring in, I think Jeffs can always do that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, if you learn that all those guys weren't

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<v Speaker 2>that good, then maybe you felt like, Okay, we just

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<v Speaker 2>got a bad batch. It happens, but that's not the case,

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<v Speaker 2>you have good players, so again that is a silver lining,

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<v Speaker 2>but on the other end, it actually makes it more

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<v Speaker 2>frustrating to know that it's these kind of things that

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<v Speaker 2>have nothing to do with ability that are putting you

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<v Speaker 2>in this spot. So I talked about this at the

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<v Speaker 2>beginning of the show for those just now joining us.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never thought, with the expanded playoff, if that means

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<v Speaker 2>Louisville football should have a pass bail season every year

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<v Speaker 2>based upon getting into that twelve team playoff, because that's

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<v Speaker 2>setting yourself up to be miserable. And you can do

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<v Speaker 2>that if you want. You could be a fan whateverywhere

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<v Speaker 2>you want. But like, if they win nine games this year,

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<v Speaker 2>which I'm not saying they are right now now, and

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<v Speaker 2>they're not really sniffing the playoff because of how the

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<v Speaker 2>ACC played out, that's going to be a bummer. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to be disappointed with that. But I'm also not

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<v Speaker 2>going to say, you know, things are broken and this

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<v Speaker 2>was devastating. So I don't want to talk about the

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<v Speaker 2>ACC race. I don't want to talk about rankings. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to talk about you know, can you pull

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<v Speaker 2>off an upset against Miami or Clemson but it's not.

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<v Speaker 2>When I say I don't want to talk about it,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not because I'm saying that, you know, none of

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<v Speaker 2>it matters, because the season's already a complete failure. I

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<v Speaker 2>just don't really have I would feel foolish talking about

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<v Speaker 2>it knowing that, like we just need to beat Virginia

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, clean up some things so they can

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely get this thing turned around. Absolutely they can. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's hard for me to like say that it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to happen until we see that they go out there

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<v Speaker 2>and actually do it. And I kind of feel like,

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<v Speaker 2>you've really just played three games this year, to be

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<v Speaker 2>honest with you, you know what I mean, Like the first two, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they just it sucked for everybody involved, and it might

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<v Speaker 2>have actually honestly sucked for Louisville too. I mean, you

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<v Speaker 2>can't control it, but like I don't know, part of

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<v Speaker 2>me says that you would have, you know, if you had,

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<v Speaker 2>you'd have had a wake up call early if you

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<v Speaker 2>played you know, a different team than those two games.

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<v Speaker 2>But like, I don't know, maybe it was counter productive.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe you didn't you didn't emphasize and highlight the mistakes

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<v Speaker 2>and the sloppy played because you were winning by more

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<v Speaker 2>than the spread, but they were still You can go

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<v Speaker 2>back and watch it if you want. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>why you would want to watch it, but they were

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<v Speaker 2>still making some of these kind of mistakes against those

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<v Speaker 2>inferior opponents, but you didn't remember, you didn't care because

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<v Speaker 2>they were winning by a billion seemingly. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they've kind of been this team all year. So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>bringing that up to say that five games in, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they can, they can get better. They can stop making

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<v Speaker 2>those kind of mistakes. They can absolutely simplify the defense

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<v Speaker 2>and just become more you know better, more aggressive, get

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<v Speaker 2>get a you know, get off the field on third down.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean they didn't would they make Smu punt it

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<v Speaker 2>three times or something like that. So like they can

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<v Speaker 2>do that, But at this point, five games in, you

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<v Speaker 2>have established that identity, and your identity is that you're

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<v Speaker 2>you're you're sloppy. You got some playmakers. At any moment,

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<v Speaker 2>you could you could flip the game, but at any

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<v Speaker 2>moment you could also implode with a boneheaded mistake or

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<v Speaker 2>a you know, bad fourth down call. So it's not over.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not like I'm thinking that the season's ruined because

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<v Speaker 2>they do have an opportunity. I mean, if you if

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<v Speaker 2>you go out there and you play well against Virginia

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<v Speaker 2>and you show that you can put together a you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a much sharp, sharp performance overall, that'll be very encouraging

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<v Speaker 2>when you bring Miami in and Miami's on a bye

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<v Speaker 2>week now and they're due for a loss. But like,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't go there yet as far as like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>here we go, like because I got to. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>they five games in, they haven't shown us that they

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<v Speaker 2>can do the little things that are needed or avoid

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<v Speaker 2>making these silly mistakes. So again, it's it's it's a balance,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm trying my best to balance it because on

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<v Speaker 2>one end, it is nice knowing that it's not like

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<v Speaker 2>you got to go bench everybody and give true freshmen

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<v Speaker 2>a chance to see if they're better players. You have

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<v Speaker 2>to do that, and that's a good thing, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>even more frustrating to know that like these, these the

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<v Speaker 2>issues that you have right now shouldn't be such a

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<v Speaker 2>problem for you. And I know we just talked about

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<v Speaker 2>this in the four o'clock hour, but I do want

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<v Speaker 2>to reference it once again for our new listeners because

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<v Speaker 2>I I'm glad Alison called in and mentioned this, and

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, you guys can give us a call

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<v Speaker 2>too if you like. Five oh two, five to seven

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<v Speaker 2>to one seventy nine hundred is the number if you

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<v Speaker 2>want to give us a call. We do some phone

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<v Speaker 2>lines open. Been a very busy show today as far

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<v Speaker 2>as callers, so again, five O two five' seven one

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<v Speaker 2>seventy nine hundred. But Allison called and mentioned a article

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<v Speaker 2>that was written by Rick Bozicch in August where Ron

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<v Speaker 2>English after one of the practices, when asked about the

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<v Speaker 2>defense falling off last year, he said it was on him.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, here's the headline at wdrb Ron English just

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<v Speaker 2>blamed Ron English for Louisvill's defensive breakdown last season. Here's

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<v Speaker 2>the quote. I didn't coach as well as I needed to.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't put the players in the positions they needed

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<v Speaker 2>to be in and that was and that was the facts.

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<v Speaker 2>So here we are, we're blaming Ron English and Jeff

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<v Speaker 2>Brohm's not blaming him directly, but we know who he's

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<v Speaker 2>talking about. We know that like he's I mean, it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't necessarily what Jeff said, it was what he looked

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<v Speaker 2>like when he said it. In the postgame press conference,

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<v Speaker 2>and it sounds like even when he did his radio

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<v Speaker 2>like just mean the more he talked about it. I

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<v Speaker 2>think he was closer to exploding. And he kept his

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<v Speaker 2>composure and didn't get over, you know, didn't get worked up,

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<v Speaker 2>but like you could just tell the more he talked

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<v Speaker 2>about their issues, especially those issues defensively, I think he

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<v Speaker 2>changes this week as far as who's calling the shots.

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<v Speaker 2>Clearly they're going to simplify some things. But I have

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<v Speaker 2>a hard time thinking that this would be the first

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<v Speaker 2>time that Jeff had talked to Ron English and told him, like,

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<v Speaker 2>what you're doing isn't working. Let's let's let's mix it up,

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<v Speaker 2>let's simplify it. And yet they were a mess against

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<v Speaker 2>that SMU offense. So again with Ron English saying that

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<v Speaker 2>in fall camp, that tells me that there was probably

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<v Speaker 2>a conversation between Ron English and Jeff Brohm about that.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, there was, and it was like, hey, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we got we gotta get better. And then here you are.

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<v Speaker 2>You come out in the first five games, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>as far as organization and just game plan strategy really

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<v Speaker 2>from top to bottom defensively, these guys have made some

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<v Speaker 2>timely plays here and there, but overall, like they're kind

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<v Speaker 2>don't mix it up and have somebody else give it

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<v Speaker 2>game plan or calling the game, like, that's on you.

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<v Speaker 2>If we see the same thing and there were no

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<v Speaker 2>changes made. I mean, if we see the same thing

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<v Speaker 2>and their word changes made, then you know, I guess

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<v Speaker 2>it's still on you. You are the head coach. But

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<v Speaker 2>like you got to truyt something different here, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think they will. And when I say trust something different,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean just letting somebody else be much more involved

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<v Speaker 2>in the game plan and you know, maybe calling the game.

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<v Speaker 2>And here's the sound from after the game. And I

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<v Speaker 2>know Jeff talked earlier today and you know his press conference,

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<v Speaker 2>you know it's kind of the same thing. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think he had a little little time to kind of

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<v Speaker 2>cool off a little bit. He did give us an

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<v Speaker 2>injury update. That isn't you know, much of an update,

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<v Speaker 2>but I guess it's something. So it sounds like Quincy

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<v Speaker 2>Riley is really just a week to week kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Brom said that it's going to come down to when

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<v Speaker 2>he's comfortable enough play, which hopefully he's comfortable to play asap.

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<v Speaker 2>Destel did not dress out, and it sounds like he's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna miss some time lower extremity injury. I think Brom

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<v Speaker 2>said he I think Bram's words exactly where I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to say he'll be out this week, but we'll

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<v Speaker 2>have to see. So I'm not really sure what that means.

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<v Speaker 2>But I wouldn't expect him to be here or be

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<v Speaker 2>ready to play against Virginia, but we shall see. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's presser today, you know, kind of said the same

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<v Speaker 2>things in regards to like needing to simplify the defense

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<v Speaker 2>and whatnot. But here is what he said after the

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<v Speaker 2>game on Saturday, And again i'd encourage you to go

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<v Speaker 2>watch it on on social media or maybe find the

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<v Speaker 2>press conference somewhere. They're usually all over the place after

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<v Speaker 2>the game because it's not necessarily what he says, it's

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<v Speaker 2>how he looks when he says that you can tell

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<v Speaker 2>he's about to understandably explode because it's just, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's got to be frustrating for him, but it's but

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<v Speaker 2>it's also on him too, and he knows that. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's why you'll see him take action this week,

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<v Speaker 2>not by firing anybody necessarily, but mixing it up so

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<v Speaker 2>you don't find yourself in the same position for the

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<v Speaker 2>third straight week. Pressure package to kind of get Jenning's

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<v Speaker 2>uncomfortable in the backfield.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was talked about all week and it wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>carried out. So we've got to you know, call a

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<v Speaker 3>better game uh and and make sure that we're way

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<v Speaker 3>more aggressive and that we have a consistent plan that

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't have adjustments when they do something different. Uh and

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<v Speaker 3>uh that starts with us. Well, quite frankly, we need

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<v Speaker 3>to coach better. I don't think the uh, the plan

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<v Speaker 3>had too many adjustments for different formations and and emp

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<v Speaker 3>sets and some things like that. And I don't want

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<v Speaker 3>get in too much detail, but it needs to be simpler.

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<v Speaker 3>It needs to be uh sound and then carried out.

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<v Speaker 3>But we can't blame all our players that the plan

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<v Speaker 3>needs to be better. That falls on us and me. Uh,

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<v Speaker 3>so we've got to go to work and make sure

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<v Speaker 3>that you know that part doesn't happen again, because we

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<v Speaker 3>have not gotten off to good starts and it has

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<v Speaker 3>been costly.

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<v Speaker 1>This thing from snowballing and becoming three losses or or

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<v Speaker 1>really getting off the rails.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, uh, you know that's why football is a great

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<v Speaker 3>game to play, and it teaches your lessons uh that

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<v Speaker 3>will last for a lifetime because you've got to go

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<v Speaker 3>through some hard times and uh. You can either be

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<v Speaker 3>mad enough to identify what the problem is, uh, figure

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<v Speaker 3>out way to fix it and then go to work

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<v Speaker 3>to get better and uh and still have the same

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<v Speaker 3>energy and fight and determination to get that done. Or

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<v Speaker 3>you can wallow a little bit and feel sorry for

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<v Speaker 3>yourself and point the finger at somebody else or say,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, what, is it really worth it? So you

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<v Speaker 3>know that's what you got to do. And uh, you

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<v Speaker 3>know if you if you're going to play the game

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<v Speaker 3>and spend a lot of time doing it, these things

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<v Speaker 3>are gonna happen. You're gonna have some tough days. You

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<v Speaker 3>try not to have them, but you are. But you've

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<v Speaker 3>got to respond. H. So you know, I have to

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<v Speaker 3>do better our coach need to do better. The plan

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<v Speaker 3>needs to be better, and then we've got to figure

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<v Speaker 3>out a way to uh simplify it so that we

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<v Speaker 3>can execute it better.

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<v Speaker 2>So that was him directly after the game. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>words aren't going to make anybody feel better, I don't think.

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<v Speaker 2>But if it is worth anything, you know, I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't see. This is a situation where like there's

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<v Speaker 2>not a lot of finger pointing with the players, which

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<v Speaker 2>I think is good. And I think that's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of coaches would start pointing fingers

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<v Speaker 2>at players and maybe deflecting a little bit. You're not

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<v Speaker 2>You're not seeing that from from coach Brohm. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>let's see here. Do I want to go ahead and

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<v Speaker 2>get to a break. Let me get to one more

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<v Speaker 2>thing here before we get to a break. I'll try

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<v Speaker 2>not to make this, you know, any longer than it

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<v Speaker 2>needs to be. But we've had a few people ask

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<v Speaker 2>about Devin Neil, who it was unusual to see it

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<v Speaker 2>announced right before the game that he's left the team.

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<v Speaker 2>He was a former starting defensive defensive back, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think we can say former starting. He was still listed

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<v Speaker 2>as a or on the depth chart. Which means, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they they and I don't know why they do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe it's because both guys play, but like there's really

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<v Speaker 2>no either way. He was listed as an or on

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<v Speaker 2>the depth chart in the last the last couple of weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, he might have honestly been all season now

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<v Speaker 2>that I think about it, but he had lost his

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<v Speaker 2>spot essentially, and that you know, he'd stopped. I think

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<v Speaker 2>he played less each week. But to Mary McDonald, the

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<v Speaker 2>transfer had kind of taken Devin Neil's spot. And Devin Neil,

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<v Speaker 2>like a lot of players, you know, he could see

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<v Speaker 2>that and his role was getting smaller each week, and

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<v Speaker 2>he did what a lot of players have decided to do. Realize, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I've played three games. If I play one more, i

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<v Speaker 2>don't have a red shirt to use. So I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>go ahead and kind of opt out, sit out, quit,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever you want to call it, and I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>transfer and use my final year elsewhere because i want

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<v Speaker 2>to play or I want to you know, make more money.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, like I'm not trying to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>be a over you know, to be overly defensive for

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<v Speaker 2>the program, because you know that's never a good thing.

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<v Speaker 2>But like that's not like that has nothing to do

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<v Speaker 2>with what's going on right now, Like that has that

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<v Speaker 2>has no factor. And Devin Neil, I think wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>stick around. He just was making And this goes back

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<v Speaker 2>to what I talked about last week, because you're seeing

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<v Speaker 2>it because everybody's played roughly three games, four games the

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<v Speaker 2>last two weeks is when it's really you know, in

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<v Speaker 2>moving forward, there's probably a lot of guys who well

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<v Speaker 2>have already made the decision or they've already played more

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<v Speaker 2>than three to where you don't have to worry about it.

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<v Speaker 2>But every year, as long as this red shirt rules

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<v Speaker 2>in place where if you play three games or less

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have to burn a year, every year late

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<v Speaker 2>September early October, you're gonna see a wave of players

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<v Speaker 2>who decided to take advantage of that rule. So, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think Devin Neil probably did what was the best option, right.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't want to be out. You want to keep

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<v Speaker 2>it from the coaches and tell them, hey, no, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not going in the game, because that'd be a really

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<v Speaker 2>bad look on you. Even worse and saying hey I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to opt out and quit. So I think you

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<v Speaker 2>need to be direct if you know you're not going

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<v Speaker 2>to play anymore because you don't want to finish the

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<v Speaker 2>season at that school. You want to take advantage of

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<v Speaker 2>the chance to go play elsewhere for one more year.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell the coach directly. That's what Devin Neil did, and

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<v Speaker 2>they told him, well, you can't stay here, So he's

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<v Speaker 2>no longer with the program. He's actually already in the

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<v Speaker 2>transfer portal because he's a grad transfer, so that you

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<v Speaker 2>don't have to wait for that window to open, So

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<v Speaker 2>he's actually available in the portal now and can be

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<v Speaker 2>recruited by anybody. And Lexington, kid from Frederick Douglas High School,

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<v Speaker 2>started his career Baylor didn't play a whole lot and

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<v Speaker 2>last year he did end up with a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>tackles on that defense. But you know, no offense to

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<v Speaker 2>Devin Neil. I wish him the best moving forward. But

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<v Speaker 2>when I think of Devin Neil, I'm going to think

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<v Speaker 2>about him just getting insanely abused by USC in that

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<v Speaker 2>bowl game, so much so that I felt bad for him.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know if it was like the break,

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<v Speaker 2>meaning the break between the last game and then the

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<v Speaker 2>bowl game, but like I feel like he gained twenty

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<v Speaker 2>pounds in that game. But yeah, I mean that's unusual

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<v Speaker 2>because it's you know, still new that like players can

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<v Speaker 2>do this. But if you look around the country, that's

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<v Speaker 2>I bet every power for a program, not every one

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<v Speaker 2>of them, but a lot of them have had guys

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<v Speaker 2>do exactly that quick break will come back on the

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<v Speaker 2>other side. Keep it rolling along. Also, don't forget, I

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<v Speaker 2>do want to talk some basketball because the Sports Illustrated

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<v Speaker 2>acc Basketball Preview has been published by our frequent guest

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<v Speaker 2>who covers college hoops, Kevin Sweeney of SI and he

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<v Speaker 2>is higher and louis than I think I've seen anybody.

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<v Speaker 2>So we'll get to that in a lot more. It's

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<v Speaker 2>coffee and company. I feel Abu Thorn's right here on

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<v Speaker 2>Sports Talk seven ninety. There's no doubt that when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to how losses are going to be valued, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in the matter, you know, as far as public opinion perception,

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<v Speaker 2>like Bama, that loss that they took to Vandy, make

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<v Speaker 2>no mistake about it is a really bad loss. I

416
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<v Speaker 2>actually think that the reaction to it was such a

417
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<v Speaker 2>surprising upset that nobody's really talking about like what it

418
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<v Speaker 2>means for the SEC. It's just something you really never

419
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<v Speaker 2>thought you'd see before. But if the AP pole is

420
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<v Speaker 2>any reflection, which sometimes you see whenever you get to

421
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<v Speaker 2>the college football playoff rankings, the initial ones that we

422
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<v Speaker 2>get that they're not a whole lot different than the

423
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<v Speaker 2>AP pole, but sometimes they can be different. But if

424
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<v Speaker 2>Miami would have lost to Cal, make no mistake about it,

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<v Speaker 2>they would have not gotten the benefit of the doubt

426
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<v Speaker 2>from anybody. Fandy losing or Vandy beating Bama. They're still

427
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<v Speaker 2>going to get the benefit of a doubt, and maybe

428
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<v Speaker 2>they deserve it because it's like, to me, nobody would

429
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<v Speaker 2>really argue that the SEC is not the best league, right,

430
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, maybe you could make the case that it's

431
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<v Speaker 2>the Big Ten if you really wanted to go that route.

432
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I guess you could make the claim, But

433
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<v Speaker 2>I don't think you think.

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<v Speaker 4>You'd say the conference might be more top heavy than

435
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<v Speaker 4>the SEC this year, but maybe overall body of work. Yeah,

436
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<v Speaker 4>I think I would still say the SEC.

437
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<v Speaker 1>Is the best.

438
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But who's like, who's elite in the Big Ten.

439
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<v Speaker 4>Three of the top four teams are Big Ten teams

440
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<v Speaker 4>are now Ohio State, Oregon, and Penn State, and two

441
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<v Speaker 4>of those are going to play each other with the

442
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<v Speaker 4>Oregon and Ohio State this weekend. Penn State has yet

443
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<v Speaker 4>to really be challenged, so we'll see how good they

444
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<v Speaker 4>end up being.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think Oregon looked anywhere close to what we

446
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<v Speaker 2>thought they'd be. I mean they had a lot of

447
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<v Speaker 2>moment I mean they made up being really good. They

448
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<v Speaker 2>haven't lost yet, but like they should have lost to

449
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<v Speaker 2>Boise State, which maybe they wouldn't make potentially it's right one, Yeah,

450
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<v Speaker 2>they were in a game there till the fourth quarter.

451
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<v Speaker 2>So either way, like me saying that that SEC teams

452
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<v Speaker 2>and even Big Ten teams should be held accountable for

453
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<v Speaker 2>a bad loss regardless of you know, how good the

454
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<v Speaker 2>league is, doesn't mean I'm saying that the SEC and

455
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<v Speaker 2>the Big Ten aren't the best leagues. But like Miami,

456
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<v Speaker 2>losing would have been good for for anybody in the

457
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<v Speaker 2>ACC that's trying to find their spot in Charlotte. But

458
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<v Speaker 2>I actually think it would have been It would have

459
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<v Speaker 2>been a huge point in laugh and overall BAM has

460
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<v Speaker 2>earned the benefit of the doubt. They just beat Georgia

461
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<v Speaker 2>last week. I mean, talk about a crazy two week

462
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<v Speaker 2>stretch there. But it's just a double standard and I

463
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<v Speaker 2>you know, I can't defend the ACC a whole lot,

464
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<v Speaker 2>but just because your league is good, and like, put

465
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<v Speaker 2>it this way, Bama, we all know Bama is good

466
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<v Speaker 2>enough to win a national championship. They're one of many

467
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<v Speaker 2>teams I think, Well, I don't know about many, but

468
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<v Speaker 2>I'd say they're probably one of six or seven teams

469
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<v Speaker 2>that you feel like has the actual depth, talent, coaching

470
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<v Speaker 2>been there before. Like six or seven teams it could

471
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<v Speaker 2>win it all, and Bama is one of them. We

472
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<v Speaker 2>know that now, we'll know that in six weeks. But

473
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<v Speaker 2>if from now till six weeks later they have a

474
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<v Speaker 2>couple more losses, nobody would be talking about them getting in.

475
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<v Speaker 2>So like, even though you know, it's not about how

476
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<v Speaker 2>good you are, it's about what you do, and if

477
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<v Speaker 2>you lose, that is a hit to being able to

478
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<v Speaker 2>claim how good you are. One lost, two losses didn't

479
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<v Speaker 2>mean you're a bad football team, but like you should be. Like, again,

480
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<v Speaker 2>how many teams don't make the tournament in the NAAA

481
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<v Speaker 2>basketball tournament that you know have the ability to make

482
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<v Speaker 2>it to the Elite eight. I mean, there's sometimes teams

483
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<v Speaker 2>that have talent where you feel like, yeah, they can

484
00:24:13.079 --> 00:24:15.519
<v Speaker 2>mess around and may look, North Carolina State nearly lost

485
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<v Speaker 2>to Louisville and in the ACC opener, in the tournament,

486
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<v Speaker 2>in the AC's tournament last year, and they made a

487
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<v Speaker 2>final four. But it's not about like what you can

488
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<v Speaker 2>do on paper, it's about what you actually do. Results

489
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<v Speaker 2>in games should matter, and Bama losing to Vandy doesn't

490
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<v Speaker 2>mean that Bama still is not an elite team that

491
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<v Speaker 2>could win the whole thing. But you should still be

492
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<v Speaker 2>held accountable for losing to a really bad team regardless

493
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<v Speaker 2>of what league they're in, and maybe they will be

494
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<v Speaker 2>down the line. But like to still see that Bama

495
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<v Speaker 2>is viewed as a playoff team. I got to remind myself. One,

496
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<v Speaker 2>they do have a really good win against Georgia that

497
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<v Speaker 2>is really valuable. But also there's twelve teams that get

498
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<v Speaker 2>in now. And this is the first point where we

499
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<v Speaker 2>are realizing, okay, because there's losses that have happened this

500
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<v Speaker 2>year where you know, hey, they ain't getting in if

501
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<v Speaker 2>it's a fourteen playoff, but it's not now now it's

502
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<v Speaker 2>you know now, it's uh, that's twelve. So again, it's

503
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<v Speaker 2>never been about me saying that the that the the

504
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<v Speaker 2>ACC is a better league than like people think it is,

505
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<v Speaker 2>but it should be more overall, regardless of your league,

506
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<v Speaker 2>you should be able, like you should be held accountable

507
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<v Speaker 2>if you lose to bad teams and bandy. I'm not

508
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<v Speaker 2>saying they're close to what they usually are, because hey,

509
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<v Speaker 2>they've proven this year they can. They beat Virginia Tech,

510
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<v Speaker 2>they beat they beat Bama. I think they I'm sure

511
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<v Speaker 2>they have other wins than that, but they also Georgia State.

512
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<v Speaker 2>That's I mean for SEC standard, that's not a good

513
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<v Speaker 2>that's not a good loss. But for those just not

514
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<v Speaker 2>joining us when it comes to like playoff picture and

515
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<v Speaker 2>all that kind of stuff, like I don't even want

516
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<v Speaker 2>to talk about it from the lower old perspective, not

517
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<v Speaker 2>because I'm telling you that, like there's no scenario. Clearly

518
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<v Speaker 2>they they need a lot of help if they were

519
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<v Speaker 2>going to somehow find themselves with an opportunity to play

520
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<v Speaker 2>for the AEC Championship game. However, you know, it's feel

521
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<v Speaker 2>silly talking about that kind of stuff from the louisvill

522
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<v Speaker 2>perspective until we actually see this team come out and

523
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<v Speaker 2>show us that they can clean some things up and

524
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<v Speaker 2>not be a sloppy team that puts themselves in a

525
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<v Speaker 2>position to lose these last two games like they've lost

526
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<v Speaker 2>them and they can. It's just a matter of I

527
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<v Speaker 2>need to see it before I'm going to one believe it,

528
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<v Speaker 2>and I'll probably need to see it more than once

529
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<v Speaker 2>to actually expect it. All right, Five two, five seventy

530
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<v Speaker 2>nine hundred is the number. If you guys want to

531
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<v Speaker 2>jump in and join us. Let's go to the phone lines,

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<v Speaker 2>and now we'll welcome in. Mike. Mike, you're on Sports

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<v Speaker 2>Talk seven ninety.

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<v Speaker 5>How are you, hey, man? Hey, So, the benefit of

535
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<v Speaker 5>the doubt, I think I mean Georgia. No Georgia win

536
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<v Speaker 5>pro Alabama certainly gave them the benefit of the doubt

537
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<v Speaker 5>with that win, But like I think Louisville got the

538
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<v Speaker 5>benefit of the doubt with a close loss to Notre Dame.

539
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<v Speaker 5>And Notre Dame's not any good. If you look at

540
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<v Speaker 5>where they were in the ap and then where they dropped,

541
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<v Speaker 5>they got the benefit of the out and they just

542
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<v Speaker 5>didn't take advantage of it.

543
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<v Speaker 2>I Notre Dame. I'm not saying that I think Notre

544
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<v Speaker 2>Dame is truly like a top ten caliber team, but

545
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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't say that they're not any good. I mean,

546
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<v Speaker 2>they did beat A and M. At A and M.

547
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<v Speaker 2>That's a win that I would assume has value in

548
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<v Speaker 2>your mind.

549
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<v Speaker 5>No, I think that has some value. Also think they

550
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<v Speaker 5>I think that they also got the benefit there of

551
00:27:24.039 --> 00:27:27.000
<v Speaker 5>some injuries to A and M that allowed them to win.

552
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<v Speaker 5>I think when it's all said and done, you're gonna

553
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<v Speaker 5>look at it and you're gonna say Notre Dame was

554
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<v Speaker 5>not very good and we failed to take advantage of that.

555
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<v Speaker 5>As a Louisville fan, I've already said that we really, yeah,

556
00:27:38.480 --> 00:27:42.279
<v Speaker 5>we gave away, we gave away opportunities, And I said,

557
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<v Speaker 5>I don't think the ACC is just very good at all,

558
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<v Speaker 5>To be honest with you, I think that.

559
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<v Speaker 2>But Miami, Mike, are you basing that off of just

560
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<v Speaker 2>previous years or what you've watched this year.

561
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<v Speaker 5>I'm based off what I've watched this year. Miami is

562
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<v Speaker 5>Miami literally could have lost the last three games they played,

563
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<v Speaker 5>and should have lost two of them if you're objectively

564
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<v Speaker 5>watching it. Clemson got ran off the field by Georgia,

565
00:28:13.000 --> 00:28:18.359
<v Speaker 5>and Georgia's not the Georgia passed. So those are your

566
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<v Speaker 5>two best teams. So you in your mind though.

567
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<v Speaker 2>That Bandy's actually like elite then, right.

568
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<v Speaker 5>No, I don't think Bandy's elite. I think Bandy's better

569
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<v Speaker 5>than people.

570
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<v Speaker 2>Think, and they're there's no doubt about that.

571
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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and I think that people were not really caught

572
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<v Speaker 5>up to their offensive scheme yet.

573
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<v Speaker 2>What's what's the what's the three games Miami should have lost?

574
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<v Speaker 5>I don't have a schedule in front. I'm just based

575
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<v Speaker 5>off my memory of that.

576
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they I think they should have lost in Virginia

577
00:28:48.279 --> 00:28:50.519
<v Speaker 2>Tech against cal a little bit more questionable, but certainly

578
00:28:50.559 --> 00:28:52.079
<v Speaker 2>it could have gone either way. But the game before

579
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<v Speaker 2>that they won fifty to fifteen. The game before that

580
00:28:54.079 --> 00:28:56.200
<v Speaker 2>they won sixty two to nothing. The game before that

581
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<v Speaker 2>they won fifty six to nine. The game before that

582
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<v Speaker 2>against Florida they won forty one to seventeen at Florida.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, so I'm sorry I last two games then, Yeah,

584
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<v Speaker 5>so look, I apologize. As I'm driving here, I don't

585
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<v Speaker 5>have the schedule necessarily in front of me, but I

586
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<v Speaker 5>can tell you the Virginia Tech game they absolutely should

587
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<v Speaker 5>have lost, and you could even say that they got

588
00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:19.440
<v Speaker 5>kind of got jobbed by the referees on that game.

589
00:29:19.519 --> 00:29:23.279
<v Speaker 5>I remember vividly watching that game. They can they got.

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<v Speaker 2>Hopes let me ask you this. You said, no, we're

591
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<v Speaker 2>going to look back at the Notre Dame loss and

592
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<v Speaker 2>feel like we lost to a bad Notre Dame team

593
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<v Speaker 2>who's beaten Notre Dame, Stanford, Georgia Tech, Navy, Florida State,

594
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<v Speaker 2>Virginia Army like Notre Dame does. I mean, I think

595
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<v Speaker 2>Notre Dame's probably gonna finish the season eleven and one.

596
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<v Speaker 5>They may, but I'm telling you they're not that good

597
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<v Speaker 5>when you watch them. And you you said watched the

598
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<v Speaker 5>whole game. Did you leave that game thinking, man, that's

599
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<v Speaker 5>a playoff team and they got a chance to win

600
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<v Speaker 5>this whole thing, or did you leave that thinking that

601
00:29:56.920 --> 00:30:00.480
<v Speaker 5>team was there for the taking and they're not that good?

602
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<v Speaker 5>I mean at their place, they're not that good.

603
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not,

604
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<v Speaker 2>because I've that's all I've said about the Notre Dame

605
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<v Speaker 2>game is that it was so.

606
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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, well, they're not that good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Mike, I appreciate the call, man, Like, it's quite

608
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<v Speaker 2>clear where you were going with there is just that

609
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<v Speaker 2>the SEC is the best and that's why they get

610
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<v Speaker 2>the benefit of it out The a SEC sucks there's

611
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<v Speaker 2>no way anybody could be good. I mean that, and

612
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<v Speaker 2>and that's Look, if you have that opinion, that's totally fine.

613
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<v Speaker 2>But you brought up the Northern Illinois beating Notre Dame

614
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<v Speaker 2>as if that that's the ultimate point that they suck. Well,

615
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<v Speaker 2>you can now do that to Alabama. I mean you can't.

616
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<v Speaker 2>And I think Alabama is a lot better than Notre Dame.

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<v Speaker 2>I do, But like people are very very selective when

618
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<v Speaker 2>they choose to bring up those isolated data points and

619
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<v Speaker 2>act as if that tells the whole story. Because again,

620
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<v Speaker 2>if the Northern Illinois lost means that Notre Dame sucks,

621
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<v Speaker 2>then I mean, again, Vandy's better than what they than

622
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<v Speaker 2>what they've typically been. But like, would anybody be shocked

623
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<v Speaker 2>if Vandy Vandy could not win a game the rest

624
00:31:13.839 --> 00:31:16.079
<v Speaker 2>of the year, And who could say that they'll be shocked.

625
00:31:16.319 --> 00:31:18.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying that that's the case. They certainly have

626
00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:22.799
<v Speaker 2>some momentum, but like Vandy's next game is against Kentucky.

627
00:31:22.839 --> 00:31:25.799
<v Speaker 2>They'll lose ball State, They'll win that one, at least

628
00:31:25.799 --> 00:31:29.359
<v Speaker 2>they should Texas, Auburn, South Carolina, LSU, and Tennessee. Vandy

629
00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:35.079
<v Speaker 2>right now is a three win team. They're three and two.

630
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<v Speaker 2>I bet they don't go to a ball and Bama

631
00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:48.359
<v Speaker 2>won't be held accountable for that, and it'll just be

632
00:31:48.359 --> 00:31:50.799
<v Speaker 2>because well it's Alabama, and.

633
00:31:50.759 --> 00:31:52.559
<v Speaker 4>They may not need to be held accountable because if

634
00:31:52.599 --> 00:31:54.519
<v Speaker 4>they go on to win the SEC, they'll get the

635
00:31:54.519 --> 00:31:55.000
<v Speaker 4>auto bid.

636
00:31:55.599 --> 00:31:57.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, of course. And look, I'm not saying that, I

637
00:31:57.799 --> 00:32:01.799
<v Speaker 2>think because it's not about who you think is good

638
00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:04.640
<v Speaker 2>and who has the highest ceiling. Like we all know

639
00:32:05.359 --> 00:32:08.839
<v Speaker 2>that Bama, Georgia, all these teams, Like we know what

640
00:32:08.839 --> 00:32:12.359
<v Speaker 2>the elite tier is. But if the elite tier slips

641
00:32:12.400 --> 00:32:14.119
<v Speaker 2>up and loses, you got to be held accountable for

642
00:32:14.119 --> 00:32:16.599
<v Speaker 2>that because it's about what you do, not about what

643
00:32:16.640 --> 00:32:20.279
<v Speaker 2>you can do and what you're capable of. And again,

644
00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:24.480
<v Speaker 2>like all it took was me mentioning benefited out for

645
00:32:24.519 --> 00:32:26.400
<v Speaker 2>the SEC and then these you know, the people who

646
00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:30.240
<v Speaker 2>are clearly very you know, protective of their conference. Again,

647
00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:34.599
<v Speaker 2>that's why I quite literally made it as clear as possible.

648
00:32:34.640 --> 00:32:36.279
<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying the s he is not the best league,

649
00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:37.759
<v Speaker 2>but you got to be held accountable for what you

650
00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:40.119
<v Speaker 2>do in said league. But if the SEC just thinks, well, hey,

651
00:32:40.119 --> 00:32:42.240
<v Speaker 2>you know Vandy b Bama, that just means that's just

652
00:32:42.240 --> 00:32:45.200
<v Speaker 2>because our league is so great, Like that's actually one

653
00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:49.359
<v Speaker 2>where you can't have that preposterous take. Doesn't prove that

654
00:32:49.400 --> 00:32:52.880
<v Speaker 2>Bama stinks, but they should be held accountable for a

655
00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:55.160
<v Speaker 2>really bad loss. No matter how you look at it.

656
00:32:55.319 --> 00:32:58.279
<v Speaker 2>The only reason anybody could claim that that's not a

657
00:32:58.279 --> 00:33:01.599
<v Speaker 2>bad loss would be because they're They would say it's

658
00:33:01.640 --> 00:33:04.440
<v Speaker 2>because it's the SEC. There's no other factor you can use.

659
00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:09.119
<v Speaker 2>I mean, they lost to a Conference USA team two

660
00:33:09.200 --> 00:33:12.799
<v Speaker 2>weeks before they beat Bama. They did beat Virginia Tech,

661
00:33:12.839 --> 00:33:17.240
<v Speaker 2>which that's that's that's a good win for them. Virginia Tech, though,

662
00:33:17.279 --> 00:33:21.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean, what's their record. I mean, Jinia Tech right now?

663
00:33:21.680 --> 00:33:23.000
<v Speaker 2>Did they win this week? And I think they did.

664
00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:25.799
<v Speaker 2>Virginia Tech's three and three one in one in league play.

665
00:33:25.799 --> 00:33:30.440
<v Speaker 2>They're coming off the win against Stanford. So if Vandy

666
00:33:31.119 --> 00:33:39.559
<v Speaker 2>loses to Kentucky, Texas, Auburn, South Carolina, LSU, and Tennessee,

667
00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:45.559
<v Speaker 2>that'll give them six more losses. I mean, is anybody

668
00:33:45.640 --> 00:33:48.160
<v Speaker 2>gonna claim that that's not a terrible law like that

669
00:33:48.160 --> 00:33:49.799
<v Speaker 2>that would be If we get to the end of

670
00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:52.039
<v Speaker 2>the year and that loss ages poorly for Bama, that

671
00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:54.519
<v Speaker 2>alone should eliminate them unless they win the league, of course,

672
00:33:54.799 --> 00:33:57.559
<v Speaker 2>but it won't, you know, so again, it's not about

673
00:33:57.880 --> 00:34:01.720
<v Speaker 2>an argument of who's good who's not. It's about you

674
00:34:01.759 --> 00:34:04.279
<v Speaker 2>should be held accountable if you aren't if you lose.

675
00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:08.320
<v Speaker 2>Good teams lose all the time. Great teams lose all

676
00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:12.840
<v Speaker 2>the time, and doesn't mean that they don't have the

677
00:34:12.880 --> 00:34:14.679
<v Speaker 2>ability to be great and go out and beat anybody

678
00:34:14.679 --> 00:34:16.320
<v Speaker 2>on any given night. But like I thought, it was

679
00:34:16.360 --> 00:34:18.920
<v Speaker 2>about lining up and playing and seeing who wins the game.

680
00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:23.079
<v Speaker 2>All right, quick break, we'll come back on the other side.

681
00:34:23.440 --> 00:34:26.079
<v Speaker 2>Talk some hoops. It's Coffee and company. Feel about Thorntons

682
00:34:26.119 --> 00:34:30.320
<v Speaker 2>right here on Sports Talk seven ninety. I was really

683
00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:32.960
<v Speaker 2>happy that the Bengals handled overtime the way they did

684
00:34:33.000 --> 00:34:34.599
<v Speaker 2>because it would have been tough for Lamar to have

685
00:34:35.480 --> 00:34:38.079
<v Speaker 2>such a good day and then that fumbled be what

686
00:34:38.239 --> 00:34:41.000
<v Speaker 2>cost him, and it nearly did, but the Bengals held

687
00:34:41.039 --> 00:34:43.280
<v Speaker 2>on to win. And that play he made where he

688
00:34:43.360 --> 00:34:46.679
<v Speaker 2>hit likely in the end zone after stiff arming one

689
00:34:46.679 --> 00:34:48.519
<v Speaker 2>of the defensive linemen for the Bengals. I mean, it's

690
00:34:48.599 --> 00:34:51.079
<v Speaker 2>just one of the many plays Lamar Jackson makes that

691
00:34:51.159 --> 00:34:55.719
<v Speaker 2>really nobody else can. I mean, maybe others can, but

692
00:34:56.639 --> 00:35:00.239
<v Speaker 2>they haven't, and they don't, and he's now done things

693
00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:04.480
<v Speaker 2>like that rather consistently. He's a special player. And right

694
00:35:04.480 --> 00:35:10.000
<v Speaker 2>now through his first five games this year, he's got

695
00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:13.519
<v Speaker 2>the same record that they had last year, and he

696
00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:17.079
<v Speaker 2>has a better passer rating. He was ninety three point

697
00:35:17.199 --> 00:35:19.880
<v Speaker 2>nine passer rating last year five games in one hundred

698
00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:21.639
<v Speaker 2>and four I'm sorry, one hundred and seven point three

699
00:35:21.679 --> 00:35:26.920
<v Speaker 2>this year. As far as total yards, he's got roughly

700
00:35:26.960 --> 00:35:30.000
<v Speaker 2>three hundred more total yards now than he did last year.

701
00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:33.239
<v Speaker 2>Five games in eleven total touchdowns compared to eight last year.

702
00:35:33.320 --> 00:35:36.400
<v Speaker 2>So again, he's gonna have to keep up that awesome pace,

703
00:35:36.440 --> 00:35:38.000
<v Speaker 2>which he can, and they're gonna have to keep winning,

704
00:35:38.039 --> 00:35:39.320
<v Speaker 2>and they will. I mean, I don't know if they're

705
00:35:39.320 --> 00:35:41.719
<v Speaker 2>gonna end up being a team that gets you know,

706
00:35:42.079 --> 00:35:44.199
<v Speaker 2>home build advantage in the playoff, that kind of stuff.

707
00:35:44.199 --> 00:35:48.719
<v Speaker 2>But really, three time MVP for Lamar Jackson is very

708
00:35:48.800 --> 00:35:51.440
<v Speaker 2>much on the table. I don't think he cares about that, though.

709
00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:53.880
<v Speaker 2>I think he's well aware and we all are that

710
00:35:54.039 --> 00:35:58.320
<v Speaker 2>for Lamar, the individual accolades are great, but for him

711
00:35:58.360 --> 00:36:00.840
<v Speaker 2>to in fact, so let me let me let me

712
00:36:01.159 --> 00:36:04.639
<v Speaker 2>retract that no matter what, there'll always be some criticism

713
00:36:04.639 --> 00:36:06.159
<v Speaker 2>out there for Lamar, and I don't mean to say

714
00:36:06.159 --> 00:36:08.199
<v Speaker 2>that because everybody's picking on it. Maybe some people do,

715
00:36:08.639 --> 00:36:11.039
<v Speaker 2>but like he has entered a level of as an

716
00:36:11.039 --> 00:36:15.360
<v Speaker 2>athlete with two MVP trophies in the case and already

717
00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:17.559
<v Speaker 2>proven people wrong that said he couldn't play quarterback in

718
00:36:17.599 --> 00:36:20.960
<v Speaker 2>the NFL. But like there's really nothing that is going

719
00:36:21.039 --> 00:36:23.280
<v Speaker 2>to happen to where he'll he'll not be criticized at

720
00:36:23.280 --> 00:36:26.519
<v Speaker 2>some point by the talking heads. And it really isn't

721
00:36:26.559 --> 00:36:29.440
<v Speaker 2>even because they're out to get him. It's because that's

722
00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:33.760
<v Speaker 2>just how unfortunately, that's how that works. Like the hot

723
00:36:33.800 --> 00:36:38.280
<v Speaker 2>take roundtable shows are positioned where one guy's gonna yell this,

724
00:36:38.360 --> 00:36:40.360
<v Speaker 2>the other guy's gonna yell the opposite, and that's that's

725
00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:44.079
<v Speaker 2>what they do. So really happy he was able to

726
00:36:44.119 --> 00:36:46.000
<v Speaker 2>win yesterday. I was gonna have to just not be

727
00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:49.039
<v Speaker 2>on my phone for twenty four hours straight if if

728
00:36:49.079 --> 00:36:52.159
<v Speaker 2>that fumble would have led to them losing, because I

729
00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:54.760
<v Speaker 2>would have been the would have been the ultimate way

730
00:36:54.760 --> 00:36:58.039
<v Speaker 2>to end my weekend and misery. Louisville. Of course, lets

731
00:36:58.079 --> 00:37:00.239
<v Speaker 2>me down against Simu. Let it let us all down, right,

732
00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:02.519
<v Speaker 2>that was a game they should have won, not to

733
00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:04.960
<v Speaker 2>say SMU didn't deserve to win, but you know, Louisville

734
00:37:05.320 --> 00:37:08.400
<v Speaker 2>continued to make mistakes that should be cleaned up by now,

735
00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:10.880
<v Speaker 2>and then the Colts they gave the Jacks their first

736
00:37:10.880 --> 00:37:13.559
<v Speaker 2>win of the season, and then I thought it was

737
00:37:13.599 --> 00:37:14.880
<v Speaker 2>going to be bad for Lamar and at that point

738
00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:16.159
<v Speaker 2>I was just going to go home and cry. But

739
00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:18.400
<v Speaker 2>they found a way to win and that was great.

740
00:37:18.599 --> 00:37:21.000
<v Speaker 2>So we didn't have much time here because again, mondays

741
00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:23.000
<v Speaker 2>are usually just mostly reacting to what happened over the

742
00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:25.639
<v Speaker 2>weekend when it comes to football. But Kevin Sweeney, who

743
00:37:25.639 --> 00:37:29.159
<v Speaker 2>covers college hoops for Sports Illustrated, he put out his

744
00:37:29.519 --> 00:37:34.039
<v Speaker 2>ACC basketball preview and he has Louisville at number three,

745
00:37:34.599 --> 00:37:37.239
<v Speaker 2>Duke at won Carolina two, and then Louisville right after

746
00:37:37.280 --> 00:37:39.840
<v Speaker 2>that at number three, Wake Forest at number four, Clemson

747
00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:43.920
<v Speaker 2>at number five, and then you know one of the

748
00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:48.079
<v Speaker 2>things that I think actually helps Pat Kelsey and I

749
00:37:48.119 --> 00:37:51.920
<v Speaker 2>hope this is not the case for the next I

750
00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:53.719
<v Speaker 2>don't know, ten years or so, but it is what

751
00:37:53.760 --> 00:37:56.480
<v Speaker 2>it is. The ACC has a basketball league. People can

752
00:37:56.480 --> 00:37:58.559
<v Speaker 2>bring up n C State making the final four, People

753
00:37:58.559 --> 00:38:02.960
<v Speaker 2>can bring up other random tournament wins, and tournament wins

754
00:38:02.960 --> 00:38:06.599
<v Speaker 2>do matter. But like the ACC basketball, the ACC Conference

755
00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:09.800
<v Speaker 2>as a whole as far as basketball, has completely completely

756
00:38:09.880 --> 00:38:13.800
<v Speaker 2>dropped off a cliff in the last six seven years.

757
00:38:14.519 --> 00:38:17.079
<v Speaker 2>I mean, Duke and Carolina at any moment could win

758
00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:19.039
<v Speaker 2>it all because that's who they are. But other than that,

759
00:38:19.079 --> 00:38:20.920
<v Speaker 2>and Louisll is a factor in that, louisvill basketball has

760
00:38:20.920 --> 00:38:24.440
<v Speaker 2>fallen off really since two thousand and them being the

761
00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:27.800
<v Speaker 2>worst team in a league that's completely fallen off is

762
00:38:27.800 --> 00:38:29.320
<v Speaker 2>a really bad look for U of L. Trust me,

763
00:38:29.320 --> 00:38:31.199
<v Speaker 2>I'm aware when I talk about how bad the ACC

764
00:38:31.280 --> 00:38:33.639
<v Speaker 2>is in basketball, I'm aware that that could be viewed

765
00:38:33.639 --> 00:38:36.400
<v Speaker 2>as a self own because of Louisville being so bad

766
00:38:36.440 --> 00:38:39.639
<v Speaker 2>the last two years. But there's I mean, Louisville could

767
00:38:39.679 --> 00:38:41.679
<v Speaker 2>be mid this year, which I think they have a

768
00:38:41.719 --> 00:38:43.320
<v Speaker 2>chance to be better than that. But like the teams

769
00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:44.840
<v Speaker 2>that they're going to play night at night on in

770
00:38:44.880 --> 00:38:49.119
<v Speaker 2>conference play don't really scare you. I mean, Wake Forest

771
00:38:49.159 --> 00:38:52.679
<v Speaker 2>being the fourth best team. Okay, Clemson Brad brown Well

772
00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:56.039
<v Speaker 2>and they did make a run last year, but like sorry,

773
00:38:56.079 --> 00:38:58.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm not really sure that's sustainable for Brad brown Well

774
00:38:58.360 --> 00:39:01.320
<v Speaker 2>to go deep into the tournament at Clemson. But anyways,

775
00:39:01.320 --> 00:39:02.960
<v Speaker 2>so We'll talk more basketball tomorrow because I do have

776
00:39:03.039 --> 00:39:07.239
<v Speaker 2>some thoughts on just you know, just some takeaways from

777
00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:09.800
<v Speaker 2>Louisville Live. Don't go anywhere we actually you can if

778
00:39:09.800 --> 00:39:12.079
<v Speaker 2>you want, you can go where you WHOA. We're gonna

779
00:39:12.079 --> 00:39:13.960
<v Speaker 2>take a break. That's gonna be twenty one hours. So

780
00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:16.639
<v Speaker 2>we're back tomorrow at three o'clock right here on Sports

781
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<v Speaker 2>Talk seven ninety