Speaker 1: This is a podcast from WR It is that Jesse
Speaker 1: Kelly Show. Another hour of The Jesse Kelly Show on
Speaker 1: a wonderful, wonderful Wednesday, all kinds of stuff. We're going
Speaker 1: to talk more about government corruption here. It's just a
Speaker 1: moment that'll be spicy and fun. We'll make fun of
Speaker 1: the GOP. That's always a good time. And we're about
Speaker 1: to get so smart. And about half hour, about a
Speaker 1: half hour from now, Brandon Wicker, it's gonna come on
Speaker 1: and let me explain why I'm bringing him on. If
Speaker 1: you've listened for a while, you know Brandon Wiker does
Speaker 1: foreign policy stuff. Donald Trump. In this foreign trip he's
Speaker 1: on with Saudi Arabia and Katar at places like that,
Speaker 1: he's giving these speeches and he's saying a lot of
Speaker 1: things and they are significant internationally. In fact, I'm thinking
Speaker 1: about an hour from now doing a little talk about
Speaker 1: America in our foreign policy and things like that. But
Speaker 1: Donald Trump is very very clearly realigning or attempting to realign,
Speaker 1: how America is globally, how we conduct ourselves globally, how
Speaker 1: involved we are globally, and there's a lot to tackle.
Speaker 1: So Brandon Weiker's going to give us a heads up
Speaker 1: on what all is happening with Iran and Turkey and
Speaker 1: Syria and Israel and Qatar and Saudi Arabia and all
Speaker 1: these plays. We're going to discuss all that about a
Speaker 1: half hour from now. We will be so smart. We'll
Speaker 1: rub it in all of our friends faces tomorrow about
Speaker 1: how smart we are. So just get ready for that. Now.
Speaker 1: I want to get to this Alana Goodman, she's a
Speaker 1: wonderful reporter at the Free Beacon. She has a story
Speaker 1: out about somebody we've talked about before on the show.
Speaker 1: His name is Jigar Shaw. Jigar Shaw, and you see
Speaker 1: he had a role. Joe Biden made him the Energy
Speaker 1: Energy what did they call him? The Energy Loan Czar?
Speaker 1: The Energy Loan Czar, What does that actually mean? He
Speaker 1: was the director of the Department of Energy's Loan Program's office.
Speaker 1: And it doesn't exactly take a genius to figure out
Speaker 1: what that means. He's the guy who hands out a
Speaker 1: million here, a millionaire. And let's be honest, it wasn't
Speaker 1: a million here, a millionaire, it was a billion here,
Speaker 1: a billion there. Hey, who wants a billion? You want
Speaker 1: a billion? And you're not dumb you know who he
Speaker 1: was giving that money to. Remember why communists? What communists
Speaker 1: do with power? What two things do communists do with power?
Speaker 1: Anyone who's listening to the show notes, what are the
Speaker 1: two things they do with power? Reward their friends, punish
Speaker 1: their enemies. Communists believe in using power for two reasons.
Speaker 1: Reward your friends, punish your enemies. This guy got in
Speaker 1: there and he started grabbing as much of your money
Speaker 1: as humanly possible and throwing it at all these ridiculous
Speaker 1: green energy scams that are out there, which makes it
Speaker 1: so nakedly corrupt, because where do all these quote green
Speaker 1: energestion to him use that word, the climate scam energy companies,
Speaker 1: where do they donate their money? When they donate political donations,
Speaker 1: roughly one thousand percent of their political donations go to
Speaker 1: the Democrat Party. The Democrat Party gets elected, and they
Speaker 1: do what communists always do. They take your money, the
Speaker 1: taxpayer money, and they hand it right back to the
Speaker 1: climate commedy companies, who then in turn donate again to
Speaker 1: the You understand the vicious, little ugly circle of corruption
Speaker 1: we have here. Well, he's no longer at his current position.
Speaker 1: Now he's over there in Europe trying to do the
Speaker 1: same thing to the Europeans. I wanted to combine that
Speaker 1: with something Sean Duffy said. To remember, Sean Duffy is
Speaker 1: the Transportation Secretary. I've met Sean a couple times. Wonderful
Speaker 1: human being, just wonderful family. Actually, Sean's great guy, a
Speaker 1: really great guy. And Sean said something about the trillion trillions,
Speaker 1: trillions with a T that seemed to have disappeared. Here's
Speaker 1: what he's twenty ten.
Speaker 2: They passed the stimulus bill under the Obama era, and
Speaker 2: then you had one point two trillion in the last Congress,
Speaker 2: and so that's two trillion dollars over ten years. And
Speaker 2: sometimes you look around the country and go, where did
Speaker 2: two trillion dollars go? Where is all the infrastructure? Why
Speaker 2: don't we have more? And I think it does a
Speaker 2: lot of this money gets eaten up in again the
Speaker 2: permitting and the consultants, and I want to see more
Speaker 2: of the money go, you know, to.
Speaker 1: The money was stolen. And let me clarify, just because
Speaker 1: you steal something legally, don't think that buys you any
Speaker 1: benefit from me on fevery, because you know how this works.
Speaker 1: As we've discussed many times before Congress Democrats pass some
Speaker 1: big corrupt bill, the Inflation Reduction Act, And in that bill,
Speaker 1: it's a trillion dollars with money for this and money
Speaker 1: for that, and so we'll save five hundred million dollars
Speaker 1: for solar panels. It was more that we'll just call
Speaker 1: it five hundred million dollars for solar panels. But that
Speaker 1: of course goes to a government department to hand out
Speaker 1: five hundred million dollars, and they'll look for qualified, approved
Speaker 1: contractors who get that five hundred million dollars. In fact,
Speaker 1: the government department may even seek out some sort of
Speaker 1: a DC area consultant. Hey, we have five hundred million
Speaker 1: dollars that need to go to solar panel companies. We
Speaker 1: definitely need a separate company to help us figure out
Speaker 1: where to set that five hundred million dollars. And what
Speaker 1: wouldn't you know it, my second cousin has a consulting company.
Speaker 1: That's right, Chris, I know a guy. I just happen
Speaker 1: to know a guy, and for a small fee of
Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars, he will tell us where to
Speaker 1: send the five hundred million dollars. And once you get
Speaker 1: the money to the hundred and once you get the
Speaker 1: money to the second cousin and he takes his hundred
Speaker 1: million dollars off the top. Then he goes through and
Speaker 1: looks for his second cousin and his uncle and his
Speaker 1: campaign donors, and he hands them your taxpayer money. And yes,
Speaker 1: on the surface, a lot of this stuff, I want
Speaker 1: to be clear, is perfectly legal by the letter of
Speaker 1: the law. But don't think for a second it's anything
Speaker 1: anything better than outright theft. You have been robbed repeatedly
Speaker 1: by Washington DC. Remember Elon Musk. Elon Musk did something.
Speaker 1: It might have been on Joe Rogan. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: where it was, but he talked recently about what he
Speaker 1: was discovering at DOGE and how the money works and
Speaker 1: how essentially ninety cents of every dollar, even the foreign
Speaker 1: aid stuff, the foreign aid stuff. You might think that
Speaker 1: that money goes overseas. No no, no, no, no, no, ninety cents
Speaker 1: of every dollar stays right in Washington, d C. Remember
Speaker 1: that story. We touched on it a little bit about
Speaker 1: the at what was it the African Development Office or
Speaker 1: something stupid like that. And it doesn't take a genius
Speaker 1: to figure out the job of that office is stuff.
Speaker 1: Help Africa. Of course was your money, which you'd never
Speaker 1: agreed to. But we did a help Africa, except all
Speaker 1: the money just stayed here, and the money that did
Speaker 1: go to Africa, most of it came right back here.
Speaker 1: That's how it worked. Now that actually was a crime.
Speaker 1: In fact, the guys I believe already been indicted or
Speaker 1: being indicted. I know he's being investigated. But this is
Speaker 1: how Washington corruption works. And this brings me to this
Speaker 1: little story here. Insider trading is something we've discussed before.
Speaker 1: Insider trading. As far as far as Congress goes, Congress
Speaker 1: sadly has a lot of control over our economy. They
Speaker 1: have a lot of sway over our economy. Things they do,
Speaker 1: things they don't do. It makes certain sectors of our
Speaker 1: economy go up, certain sectors go down. And these people
Speaker 1: they know before we know. You're not in these committee meetings.
Speaker 1: They know before we know, and they trade stocks to
Speaker 1: make money or avoid losing money before you get the opportunity,
Speaker 1: before I get the opportunity. That's a violation of the law.
Speaker 1: If any if I have a inside knowledge, Let's say
Speaker 1: I'm a big stockholder in Nike, I'm not, but Let's
Speaker 1: say I'm a big stockholder in Nike, and maybe my
Speaker 1: brother feeds me some information that, hey, hey, Jesse, I
Speaker 1: work for Nike, and let me tell you what. They've
Speaker 1: got a new shoe coming out. Stock's about to blow up.
Speaker 1: And let's say I sell a bunch of stock or
Speaker 1: buy a bunch of stock because my brother, who works
Speaker 1: for Nike told me that I'm going to prison. As
Speaker 1: you know that that's illegal. Yet Congress does this all
Speaker 1: the time. There's a reason members of Congress routinely beat
Speaker 1: the greatest financial consultants in the country. It's because they're
Speaker 1: insider trading. Mike Johnson, this is hilarious. He came out
Speaker 1: and he said that he backs a bipartisan push on
Speaker 1: banning congressional stock trading, but he stopped short of promising
Speaker 1: a vote on it.
Speaker 3: Gosh, that might be the most Republican statement in the
Speaker 3: history of Republican statements. We should definitely ban this, and
Speaker 3: I might have a vote on it.
Speaker 1: I mean probably not, but maybe we'll vote on it
Speaker 1: one day. Maybe after the election, we'll have a vote
Speaker 1: on it. That might be the most gop thing in
Speaker 1: the world. These people are all thieves and scumbags. And
Speaker 1: this is why people get angry about politics. And it's
Speaker 1: also why I call it the low T GOP. It's
Speaker 1: not just because Mike Johnson and the rest of the
Speaker 1: Republican Party have lower T levels than the average American
Speaker 1: male that can be fixed with chalk. It's because these
Speaker 1: people never have the guts to actually stand up to
Speaker 1: DC corruption. In fact, Tim Burchett said something about DC
Speaker 1: corruption in Congress. Before we get to Tim Burchett, let
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Speaker 1: minutes from now, and you are about to be so
Speaker 1: much smarter than you already are I am too, Chris,
Speaker 1: not so much. But we can only do what we
Speaker 1: can do. That is going to be fascinating. Tim Burchett,
Speaker 1: who I love, Tennessee's own Tim Burchett. He was talking
Speaker 1: about Congress and Trump's executive orders and here's what he said.
Speaker 4: Hey, everybody coms from Tim Burchett. I'm incredibly frustrating this.
Speaker 4: After that, we will seriously lose our country. We have
Speaker 4: got to start condifying these executive orders from President Trump.
Speaker 4: America realizes what's going on. Congress seas to wake up,
Speaker 4: and Dad Gemmmett, we get to do our job.
Speaker 1: What has happened in d C. What is happening in
Speaker 1: DC is the American people are completely fed up with
Speaker 1: the corruption. They're fed up with the way Congress has
Speaker 1: done things, and as per usual, DC's the last to know.
Speaker 1: And now that they're starting to pick up on the
Speaker 1: fact that people really want genuine change, like banning of
Speaker 1: stock trading, as we were just talking about. People want
Speaker 1: these changes, they want these changes. What Congress is now
Speaker 1: going to try to do is something they've been trying
Speaker 1: to do for some years now. They're trying to wait
Speaker 1: out Trump because they think the source of all these
Speaker 1: change calls is Donald Trump. They have no earthly idea
Speaker 1: what they're dealing with. Donald Trump is there because the
Speaker 1: American people were ready for a change, and after Donald
Speaker 1: Trump is gone, that same desire will be there. If not,
Speaker 1: it'll burn even hotter. If anything, it'll burn even hotter
Speaker 1: than it already is now. But what the House wants
Speaker 1: to do and the Senate, the Republicans and Democrats in
Speaker 1: the House, the Republicans and Democrats in the Senate, what
Speaker 1: they want to do is pretend as if they're on
Speaker 1: board with you and the things you want. Pretend they're
Speaker 1: on board with things like banning stock trading. But then
Speaker 1: when it actually comes right down to it, it's well,
Speaker 1: I mean, we'll try to schedule a vote. I'm not
Speaker 1: really sure. I don't know. My dog's sick. I can't
Speaker 1: get to it. I know when somebody is trying to
Speaker 1: wait me out. I know it. I have a son
Speaker 1: who doesn't eat his vegetables, and you're ab and I.
Speaker 1: A couple times we tried, when he was younger, we
Speaker 1: tried the tactic of making him sit at the dinner
Speaker 1: table until the vegetables were eaten. He waited us out.
Speaker 1: He would sit there, talk, laugh, make jokes, slip the
Speaker 1: dog as much food as he could possibly slip the dog,
Speaker 1: and just sit there and wait. That adorable look on
Speaker 1: his face. That's exactly what Congress is trying to do
Speaker 1: to us, in a much less adorable way. Congress is
Speaker 1: attempting to wait out the America First Movement. They are
Speaker 1: the GOP does not want to codify anything into law
Speaker 1: because they don't want to actually do any of these things.
Speaker 1: In fact, they want to do the opposite of all
Speaker 1: these things. So they understand they can't say that. What
Speaker 1: they're hoping is. I bet you they wake up every day,
Speaker 1: I bet you they have. I bet you they have
Speaker 1: reminders in their calendar for the day Donald Trump has
Speaker 1: finally done as president, and I've bet they have deluded
Speaker 1: themselves into believing on that day everything can just finally
Speaker 1: go back to normal. We can finally go back to
Speaker 1: doing things the way we've always done things. But I'm
Speaker 1: here to tell each and every person who thinks that
Speaker 1: in Congress you really don't understand what is happening in
Speaker 1: this country. You don't understand it at all. You've spent
Speaker 1: too much time around lobbyists and other scumbag politicians. You've
Speaker 1: spent too much time in Washington, d C. The American
Speaker 1: people's anger at how things are done in this country
Speaker 1: is palpable, and it's getting worse and worse and worse,
Speaker 1: and stuff like this. I played it only pours gas
Speaker 1: on the fire.
Speaker 2: And they passed the stimulus bill under the Obama era,
Speaker 2: and then you had one point two trillion in the
Speaker 2: last Congress, and so that's two trillion dollars over ten years.
Speaker 2: And sometimes you look around the country and go, where
Speaker 2: did two trillion dollars go? Where is all the infantry structure?
Speaker 2: Why don't we have more? And I think it does
Speaker 2: a lot of this money gets eaten.
Speaker 1: Up in the American people are sick of it. And
Speaker 1: COVID actually helped move this along as well. The American
Speaker 1: people quickly grew tired of the do as I say,
Speaker 1: not as I do politicians in this country. The politicians
Speaker 1: both in Congress. Remember remember when they left the congressional
Speaker 1: gym open, these morons. American gyms closed across the country
Speaker 1: because of a chess cold, which is hilarious, but they
Speaker 1: closed gyms across the country. People were mad about it.
Speaker 1: And then the story came out that Congress has a
Speaker 1: big weight room. Congress left their gym open, and they
Speaker 1: were just completely oblivious to it. I remember one guy
Speaker 1: was asked about it and it's like, well, yeah, we
Speaker 1: got to work out. Just totally out of touch. And
Speaker 1: they do not understand the level of anger that is
Speaker 1: out there. I mean I brought up that I brought
Speaker 1: up that story about that illegal to start out the show.
Speaker 1: They don't understand the level of anger Americans have at
Speaker 1: illegals committing crimes in this country that hasn't even gone in.
Speaker 1: Even most Republicans don't really fully understand how bad that
Speaker 1: anger is. It's really really bad. You people in DC
Speaker 1: suffer from the worst case of signal lag I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: Mike Johnson says, we'll try to get a vote on
Speaker 1: banning insider trading if we get to it. That's essentially
Speaker 1: what he said. Well, kind of I don't know. Maybe
Speaker 1: we'll vote on it, and you guys better wake up.
Speaker 1: This is why I tell you a dictator is coming.
Speaker 1: You're going to keep ignoring the people and ignoring the people,
Speaker 1: trying to wait out Trump and wait out this and
Speaker 1: hoping this will pass. It's not going to pass. I'm
Speaker 1: telling you right now, it's going to be bad. Now.
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Speaker 1: one of the two major political parties wants more of it?
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Speaker 1: It's very rare for us to have one guest on
Speaker 1: the show, let alone too, But it just felt right
Speaker 1: today because I need to know what the heck is
Speaker 1: going on overseas. Trump is in Saudi Arabia now he's
Speaker 1: in k Tar. I know the experts call it cutter,
Speaker 1: but I went to community college. Either way, I bet
Speaker 1: Brandon Wickert knows what's going on. He wrote the book
Speaker 1: The Shadow War about Iran. Those dirt balls, Brandon. What's
Speaker 1: going on with Trump and Iran? And I've heard, especially
Speaker 1: in that speech he gave yesterday a lot of what
Speaker 1: we'd call saber rattling talk. What's happening.
Speaker 5: Well, thanks for having me, and we are moving at
Speaker 5: the speed of Trump. It's almost hard for me to
Speaker 5: keep up, and I do this for a living. The
Speaker 5: way this guy is moving through the region. I will
Speaker 5: just say that his speech yesterday was probably the best
Speaker 5: speech of either of his terms so far in office.
Speaker 5: It certainly set the table for I think how America
Speaker 5: is going to proceed, not just during the Trump years,
Speaker 5: but probably beyond as well. With the Middle East. We
Speaker 5: are clearly no longer going to prioritize the region the
Speaker 5: way that we were doing after nine to eleven. That's
Speaker 5: both good and bad. The good thing is we don't
Speaker 5: have to. We're not going to be sending any more
Speaker 5: kids to go fight and die in those Middle East wars. Now.
Speaker 5: The downside here, though, is it looks like he's handing
Speaker 5: the region over at least to some bad actors, not all,
Speaker 5: but some, like the Muslim Brotherhood in Qatar. So there
Speaker 5: are some real concerns, and it isn't just from not
Speaker 5: never Trump types. There are some real concerns from people
Speaker 5: on our side, and I think their concerns are justified.
Speaker 5: That maybe Trump is getting too cozy with the Kataris
Speaker 5: for instance, who are a huge funder of the Islamic
Speaker 5: terrorism that we've been dealing with since nine to eleven.
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's actually nail down on that. It's one
Speaker 1: of the main reasons I wanted you to come on,
Speaker 1: because you're the furthest thing in the world from a
Speaker 1: never Trumper. So this is kind of how I look
Speaker 1: at it. I'm concerned myself. However, is there a way
Speaker 1: for us to wash our hands of this reason region
Speaker 1: and let them do what they do without handing it
Speaker 1: to some bad actors Because bad actors run a lot
Speaker 1: of the dumps over.
Speaker 5: There, That's right, that's right now. I think that's probably
Speaker 5: what's a play here, because like I said, they're not
Speaker 5: all bad actors. I mean the Saudi government at least
Speaker 5: under Mohammed bin Salman, he's very pro American. Clearly he
Speaker 5: has a very very strong rapport with President Trump. That's
Speaker 5: the real in the Arab world at least, that's the
Speaker 5: real power. And so the fact that we've got a
Speaker 5: friendly in the Crown Prince that's going to stabilize and
Speaker 5: sort of contain what Katar might otherwise do now that
Speaker 5: Trump is sort of letting them in to the wider picture,
Speaker 5: the Kataris he's letting in. But the fact that we've
Speaker 5: got the Crown Prince Saudi Arabia that will balance that
Speaker 5: because they don't want the Kataris to go full bore
Speaker 5: into the Muslim Brotherhood stuff either. The problem is, though,
Speaker 5: the Muslim Brotherhood itself, which is the umbrella organization for Islamism,
Speaker 5: that is the ideology that we've been fighting. That's the
Speaker 5: ideology of Bin Laden al Qaeda. The ideology of isis,
Speaker 5: the ideology of Jelani and Syria, who again I'm very
Speaker 5: disturbed Trump is recognizing. But ultimately the Saudis are a
Speaker 5: great counter weight to that, which is why I say
Speaker 5: it's not all bad, but it is concerning. And I
Speaker 5: think though this is part of a larger move to
Speaker 5: pull the Americans out of the region and let the
Speaker 5: locals clean up their own messes. Now, the downside's going
Speaker 5: to be for our friends in Israel, because our friends
Speaker 5: in Israel have overplayed their hand on Netan Yahoo in particular,
Speaker 5: And what's happening now is Trump is fed up with
Speaker 5: Netan Yahoo, so he's basically letting the region isolate Israel
Speaker 5: as we exit out of the region. So that's going
Speaker 5: to be a continuing headache and a threat to the Israelis,
Speaker 5: especially because the Muslim Brotherhood has direct ties to the
Speaker 5: most powerful country in the region, and that is Turkey.
Speaker 1: Okay, So there's so much to unpack there. Let's nail
Speaker 1: down on the Israel thing first. Why is Trump fed
Speaker 1: up with Israel and net and Yahoo? Because it's honestly,
Speaker 1: it's difficult to get more pro Israel than Trump has
Speaker 1: historically been. They call all the goal on heights the
Speaker 1: Trump Heights. I was over there once and they are
Speaker 1: billboards of the man up. What in the world did
Speaker 1: net and Yah who do to get cross ways with Trump?
Speaker 5: I think what Trump has been trying to do is
Speaker 5: avoid another Middle East war, and I think he feels
Speaker 5: and I don't know if this is right or not,
Speaker 5: but I think he feels that Netanya, who is intransigent
Speaker 5: about picking a fight with Iran. And while Trump has
Speaker 5: certainly made it clear he doesn't want to see Iran
Speaker 5: become more powerful, he has also made it abundantly clear
Speaker 5: that he's not going to war against Iran anytime soon.
Speaker 5: And so net Yaho, you know, Menyah, who is Israel
Speaker 5: itself is threatened directly by Iran. The Iranian proxies, the
Speaker 5: who this hamas Hesbela, especially Hesbela, those Iranian proxies are
Speaker 5: direct threats to Israel. But the Israelis can't take it
Speaker 5: all on their own. So I think Trump is frustrated
Speaker 5: because net Nya, who is very gung ho about knocking
Speaker 5: out the Iranian regime while he thinks there's still time
Speaker 5: to do that where or at least the nuclear facilities,
Speaker 5: but that will lead to a regime change mission, whereas
Speaker 5: Trump doesn't want to do that, and I think that
Speaker 5: Trump felt he no longer had a viable partner in
Speaker 5: Netan Yahoo. Now what I think might happen is whenever
Speaker 5: the political system in Israel gets back on track. It's
Speaker 5: been sort of off kilter since the October seventh terror attacks.
Speaker 5: I think whatever that process comes back into play, where
Speaker 5: domestic politics in Israel starts normalizing, I think Netan yah
Speaker 5: Who's probably not gonna last much longer in office, and
Speaker 5: at that point there might be a resetting of relations
Speaker 5: between Israel and the US. But I argue, as long
Speaker 5: as Netan Yaho is in office, Trump's gonna let the
Speaker 5: kind of Islamic powers of the region isolate Israel so
Speaker 5: that it buys us time and favor to leave peacefully
Speaker 5: from the wider Middle East.
Speaker 1: Did the Gazza stuff the gaze of war or I
Speaker 1: shouldn't call it stuff. Did the Gaza war that Israel
Speaker 1: was fighting? Is that something that Trump likes dislikes that?
Speaker 1: I asked, because I remember, like it was yesterday when
Speaker 1: he talked about putting up hotels and just making a
Speaker 1: nice yeah, yeah, no, I go ahead, go ahead, good please.
Speaker 5: No. I think that he wants peace in the region.
Speaker 5: I think initially he thought net and Yahoo would be
Speaker 5: his ticket to quickly getting peace. You have to remember, though,
Speaker 5: the Israeli military is highly competent, but they're a small force.
Speaker 5: And so when they went in to Gaza, yes, they
Speaker 5: did a lot of damage to Hamas and that's good,
Speaker 5: but unfortunately there was a lot of collateral damage. And
Speaker 5: I think Trump is looking around, going this doesn't look
Speaker 5: good for me in America in the region to be
Speaker 5: so closely tethered to all of the destruction in Gaza. Now, look,
Speaker 5: I think that Yahoo was justified to protect himself, to
Speaker 5: protect his country. Collateral damage is part of war, but Ultimately,
Speaker 5: from the American perspective, it was at least as Trump
Speaker 5: saw it, it wasn't conducive to what he was trying
Speaker 5: to do with the wider region. And the wider region
Speaker 5: is not just Israel, it's the Arabs, it's even Iran
Speaker 5: and Turkey. So he's got to balance what Israel needs
Speaker 5: with what American needs to do, which is to extricate
Speaker 5: itself from the region without completely surrendering the region. To say, Iran, this.
Speaker 1: Stuff is all so complicated with our allies here in
Speaker 1: enemies here. I need Chris. Next time we book, Brandon Wikert,
Speaker 1: I think we need to get in for like an
Speaker 1: hour or something like that. I'm not going to ask
Speaker 1: you for an hour, Brandon, but do you have maybe
Speaker 1: one more segment with these because I want to talk
Speaker 1: I want to talk Turkey. Haa. How about that, Chris, Chris,
Speaker 1: that was funny. It was a dad joke. Whatever. Anyway,
Speaker 1: we will be right back with Brandon Weikert talking Turkey, Iran, Iraq.
Speaker 1: I'm curious are they anything anymore? All that and more
Speaker 1: coming up Hang on Truth Attitude Jesse Kelly with Brandon Whitehert. Obviously,
Speaker 1: you know Brandon Wicker. If you listen to this show,
Speaker 1: highly recommend you pick up his book Shadow War. Okay,
Speaker 1: so I first want to ask you about Turkey before
Speaker 1: we get to Iran in Iraq, because you mentioned to
Speaker 1: us before on this show that they are really the
Speaker 1: big dog in the region. So maybe you could let
Speaker 1: us know what is Turkey, Brandon. Is it some Islamist state?
Speaker 1: Is it a secular state? Are they are they shied?
Speaker 1: Are they sunny?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 1: Are they?
Speaker 5: Definitely an Islamist state. They are predominantly Sunni ethnic Turks.
Speaker 5: It's a little bit different than the Saudi Arabia, you know,
Speaker 5: Qatar side, which are ethnic Arabs, but they're also Sunni Muslim.
Speaker 5: The thing with Turkey is under the current regime of
Speaker 5: rasp taiep Erdowan, the president. He is an Islamist, he
Speaker 5: belongs to the Islamist Party and he has made it
Speaker 5: clear his intention to rebuild the lost Ottoman Empire that
Speaker 5: collapsed at the end of the First World War, that
Speaker 5: was for hundreds of years the dominant power in the
Speaker 5: Middle East, and he is on track to restore it's
Speaker 5: called the Neo Ottoman Empire. He is on track to
Speaker 5: bring that to be into being and I argue that
Speaker 5: Trump's moves right now, whether it means to or not,
Speaker 5: they are going to allow for Turkey to take a
Speaker 5: much greater role in the Middle East as we step out. Now,
Speaker 5: that's somewhat of a good thing because technically Turkey is
Speaker 5: a NATO ally. At the same time, though they're very
Speaker 5: unpredictable and unstable and at times on friendly ally. And furthermore,
Speaker 5: if you're sitting in Israel, the last thing you should
Speaker 5: be wanting is a Turkey coming in and restoring the
Speaker 5: Ottoman Empire, because that probably means the end of Israel.
Speaker 5: The Turks are going to try to crush Israel at
Speaker 5: some point, and they've got the military capabilities in the
Speaker 5: long term to do that. So what's happening now is
Speaker 5: a completely generational shift. It's going back to the way
Speaker 5: things were before World War One in the region with
Speaker 5: Turkey as the dominant power. That's not a good thing,
Speaker 5: though necessarily for our friends in Israel.
Speaker 1: Okay, so they're going to fill the vacuum of power
Speaker 1: when we step out. Where does Iran fit in all
Speaker 1: this Turkey obviously we know how they fit with Israel,
Speaker 1: but Turkey, Iraq, but where where is Iran as far
Speaker 1: as they're their military capability, they're they're who they're on.
Speaker 1: Whose side are they on?
Speaker 5: Where are they in this well, the Iranians, that's a
Speaker 5: great question. The Iranians are predominantly a Sheiite Muslim power,
Speaker 5: ethnic Persians, so they're really kind of on the outside
Speaker 5: of the region in many respects. They are Muslims, so
Speaker 5: that they have a lot of weight in the region,
Speaker 5: but they're not the predominant Sunni power. They are the
Speaker 5: Shiite power. What that means is Iran has spent the
Speaker 5: last last several decades desperately trying to make for itself,
Speaker 5: to make itself into the dominant regional power that was
Speaker 5: playing out throughout the Iraq War in two thousand and three,
Speaker 5: that was playing out afterward during the Arab Spring and
Speaker 5: all of that. Ultimately, I argue it looks to me
Speaker 5: like the Iranians are on the back foot. They have
Speaker 5: lost their connectivity to Syria through Iraq, They've lost their
Speaker 5: connectivity to Hesbla in Lebanon. They're very much isolated in
Speaker 5: their own part of the region. However, Iran itself is
Speaker 5: a very hardened target. They have very sophisticated air defenses.
Speaker 5: They have a very capable for that region military, which
Speaker 5: means that any strike by US or even Israel on
Speaker 5: Iran might not end very well for US because of
Speaker 5: how complex the Iranian defenses are. Moving beyond the defensive
Speaker 5: to the offensive. I argue Iran is at the weakest
Speaker 5: that has been in years. It cannot initiate the kinds
Speaker 5: of offense since it was doing in twenty fourteen, for instance,
Speaker 5: against Isis, because it's lost Syria, it's losing parts of
Speaker 5: Iraq to Turkish backed groups the Sunni groups. So ultimately
Speaker 5: what will happen I think is Turkey will become the
Speaker 5: dominant force in the region and the Iranians will basically
Speaker 5: kind of have their own little enclave in Iran itself,
Speaker 5: not unlike historically where you had the Ottoman Empire leading
Speaker 5: the Sunni side and then you had kind of an
Speaker 5: Iranian you know, the Sapovid for instance, empire running the
Speaker 5: kind of the Iranian side of things, and that's kind
Speaker 5: of a balance of power between the two of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to need a new Lawrence of Arabia
Speaker 1: at some point in time here soon. Yes, don't roll
Speaker 1: your eyes, all right, Iraq. What I spent a little
Speaker 1: bit of time in that dump. Where are they now?
Speaker 5: So they are torn between a Shiite dominant population, their
Speaker 5: majority Shiite, which means they are aligned with Iran. This
Speaker 5: is why I said Iran after Iran War, after we
Speaker 5: got rid of Saddam, Iran basically was Ami offensive because
Speaker 5: they were able to move in to Iraq. We basically
Speaker 5: got rid of Saddam and handed Iraq over to Iran,
Speaker 5: which was not what we wanted to do. But there's
Speaker 5: also the Sunni element in northern and western Iraq near
Speaker 5: the Syrian border, the Sunni Triangle maybe you're familiar with
Speaker 5: if you served in Iraq, that was a key area
Speaker 5: of operation. The Turks are actually moving in force there
Speaker 5: to support the Sunni side that previously was the home
Speaker 5: of Al Qaeda in Iraq and ISIS. So you have
Speaker 5: shaping up in Iraq sort of this this no man's
Speaker 5: land between Turkish backed Sunni militants and the Shike backed
Speaker 5: Iranian militants of the south of Iraq. So Iraq doesn't really,
Speaker 5: in my opinion, exist per se as a functional country.
Speaker 5: It's sort of like you know, a middle like a
Speaker 5: neutral zone between the Sunni and Shia sides of the region.
Speaker 1: Oh good, well, at least all that fighting was worth it.
Speaker 1: That makes me feel really wonderful. Okay, so finally I
Speaker 1: swear I'll let you go after this one. Thank you
Speaker 1: for giving us an education. Random Russia, China and frankly Europe.
Speaker 1: You say, when we back away, Turkey fills that vacuum.
Speaker 1: Are these other significant powers on the planet not interested,
Speaker 1: not involved, not able to get involved? Where are they?
Speaker 1: Why are they not sticking their noses all that?
Speaker 5: No, No, Russia, Russia and China are very much involved
Speaker 5: through Iran. Basically, once we back away, you'll have the
Speaker 5: Turk spilling the void. But then also on the periphery
Speaker 5: you'll have Russia and China having more influence via Iran.
Speaker 5: China buys eighty percent of Iran's natural gas and oil.
Speaker 5: Most of Saudi Arabia's oil is sold to Asia, Japan,
Speaker 5: but also China. So China is going to have a
Speaker 5: significant long presence in the region regardless of what happens
Speaker 5: with these Trump deals. Second of all, Russia is a
Speaker 5: key military partner for many of these regimes, notably Iran,
Speaker 5: but they're also making bold moves right now in Libya
Speaker 5: where Russian backed militants are fighting Turkish backed militants for
Speaker 5: control of Libya. So ultimately those two powers will have
Speaker 5: a greater influence as we step back the Europeans. They're
Speaker 5: sort of trying to get in, but ultimately the Europeans
Speaker 5: are not a real power anymore, and so they're going
Speaker 5: to be forced to just watch from the periphery.
Speaker 1: I think he is, Brandon Weikert. I bet you're going
Speaker 1: to buy that book now, aren't you. The book is
Speaker 1: Shadow War. Brandon, come back and see us soon. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much. I appreciate you, brother. I'm so smart. Now,
Speaker 1: don't roll your eyes, Chris. And it did give me
Speaker 1: an idea to talk about something I wasn't going to
Speaker 1: go this direction an hour three, but we're let's talk
Speaker 1: about America's influence internationally and why it's going the way
Speaker 1: it's going.
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