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<v Speaker 1>This is a podcast from WR It is that Jesse

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly Show. Another hour of The Jesse Kelly Show on

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<v Speaker 1>a wonderful, wonderful Wednesday, all kinds of stuff. We're going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk more about government corruption here. It's just a

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<v Speaker 1>moment that'll be spicy and fun. We'll make fun of

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<v Speaker 1>the GOP. That's always a good time. And we're about

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<v Speaker 1>to get so smart. And about half hour, about a

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<v Speaker 1>half hour from now, Brandon Wicker, it's gonna come on

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<v Speaker 1>and let me explain why I'm bringing him on. If

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<v Speaker 1>you've listened for a while, you know Brandon Wiker does

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<v Speaker 1>foreign policy stuff. Donald Trump. In this foreign trip he's

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<v Speaker 1>on with Saudi Arabia and Katar at places like that,

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<v Speaker 1>he's giving these speeches and he's saying a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>things and they are significant internationally. In fact, I'm thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about an hour from now doing a little talk about

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<v Speaker 1>America in our foreign policy and things like that. But

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump is very very clearly realigning or attempting to realign,

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<v Speaker 1>how America is globally, how we conduct ourselves globally, how

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<v Speaker 1>involved we are globally, and there's a lot to tackle.

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<v Speaker 1>So Brandon Weiker's going to give us a heads up

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<v Speaker 1>on what all is happening with Iran and Turkey and

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<v Speaker 1>Syria and Israel and Qatar and Saudi Arabia and all

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<v Speaker 1>these plays. We're going to discuss all that about a

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<v Speaker 1>half hour from now. We will be so smart. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>rub it in all of our friends faces tomorrow about

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<v Speaker 1>how smart we are. So just get ready for that. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to get to this Alana Goodman, she's a

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<v Speaker 1>wonderful reporter at the Free Beacon. She has a story

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<v Speaker 1>out about somebody we've talked about before on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>His name is Jigar Shaw. Jigar Shaw, and you see

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<v Speaker 1>he had a role. Joe Biden made him the Energy

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<v Speaker 1>Energy what did they call him? The Energy Loan Czar?

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<v Speaker 1>The Energy Loan Czar, What does that actually mean? He

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<v Speaker 1>was the director of the Department of Energy's Loan Program's office.

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<v Speaker 1>And it doesn't exactly take a genius to figure out

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<v Speaker 1>what that means. He's the guy who hands out a

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<v Speaker 1>million here, a millionaire. And let's be honest, it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>a million here, a millionaire, it was a billion here,

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<v Speaker 1>a billion there. Hey, who wants a billion? You want

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<v Speaker 1>a billion? And you're not dumb you know who he

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<v Speaker 1>was giving that money to. Remember why communists? What communists

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<v Speaker 1>do with power? What two things do communists do with power?

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<v Speaker 1>Anyone who's listening to the show notes, what are the

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<v Speaker 1>two things they do with power? Reward their friends, punish

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<v Speaker 1>their enemies. Communists believe in using power for two reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>Reward your friends, punish your enemies. This guy got in

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<v Speaker 1>there and he started grabbing as much of your money

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<v Speaker 1>as humanly possible and throwing it at all these ridiculous

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<v Speaker 1>green energy scams that are out there, which makes it

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<v Speaker 1>so nakedly corrupt, because where do all these quote green

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<v Speaker 1>energestion to him use that word, the climate scam energy companies,

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<v Speaker 1>where do they donate their money? When they donate political donations,

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<v Speaker 1>roughly one thousand percent of their political donations go to

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<v Speaker 1>the Democrat Party. The Democrat Party gets elected, and they

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<v Speaker 1>do what communists always do. They take your money, the

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<v Speaker 1>taxpayer money, and they hand it right back to the

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<v Speaker 1>climate commedy companies, who then in turn donate again to

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<v Speaker 1>the You understand the vicious, little ugly circle of corruption

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<v Speaker 1>we have here. Well, he's no longer at his current position.

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<v Speaker 1>Now he's over there in Europe trying to do the

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<v Speaker 1>same thing to the Europeans. I wanted to combine that

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<v Speaker 1>with something Sean Duffy said. To remember, Sean Duffy is

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<v Speaker 1>the Transportation Secretary. I've met Sean a couple times. Wonderful

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<v Speaker 1>human being, just wonderful family. Actually, Sean's great guy, a

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<v Speaker 1>really great guy. And Sean said something about the trillion trillions,

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<v Speaker 1>trillions with a T that seemed to have disappeared. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>what he's twenty ten.

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<v Speaker 2>They passed the stimulus bill under the Obama era, and

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<v Speaker 2>then you had one point two trillion in the last Congress,

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<v Speaker 2>and so that's two trillion dollars over ten years. And

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes you look around the country and go, where did

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<v Speaker 2>two trillion dollars go? Where is all the infrastructure? Why

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<v Speaker 2>don't we have more? And I think it does a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of this money gets eaten up in again the

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<v Speaker 2>permitting and the consultants, and I want to see more

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<v Speaker 2>of the money go, you know, to.

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<v Speaker 1>The money was stolen. And let me clarify, just because

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<v Speaker 1>you steal something legally, don't think that buys you any

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<v Speaker 1>benefit from me on fevery, because you know how this works.

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<v Speaker 1>As we've discussed many times before Congress Democrats pass some

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<v Speaker 1>big corrupt bill, the Inflation Reduction Act, And in that bill,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a trillion dollars with money for this and money

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<v Speaker 1>for that, and so we'll save five hundred million dollars

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<v Speaker 1>for solar panels. It was more that we'll just call

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<v Speaker 1>it five hundred million dollars for solar panels. But that

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<v Speaker 1>of course goes to a government department to hand out

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<v Speaker 1>five hundred million dollars, and they'll look for qualified, approved

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<v Speaker 1>contractors who get that five hundred million dollars. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>the government department may even seek out some sort of

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<v Speaker 1>a DC area consultant. Hey, we have five hundred million

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<v Speaker 1>dollars that need to go to solar panel companies. We

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<v Speaker 1>definitely need a separate company to help us figure out

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<v Speaker 1>where to set that five hundred million dollars. And what

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't you know it, my second cousin has a consulting company.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, Chris, I know a guy. I just happen

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<v Speaker 1>to know a guy, and for a small fee of

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred million dollars, he will tell us where to

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<v Speaker 1>send the five hundred million dollars. And once you get

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<v Speaker 1>the money to the hundred and once you get the

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<v Speaker 1>money to the second cousin and he takes his hundred

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars off the top. Then he goes through and

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<v Speaker 1>looks for his second cousin and his uncle and his

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<v Speaker 1>campaign donors, and he hands them your taxpayer money. And yes,

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<v Speaker 1>on the surface, a lot of this stuff, I want

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<v Speaker 1>to be clear, is perfectly legal by the letter of

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<v Speaker 1>the law. But don't think for a second it's anything

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<v Speaker 1>anything better than outright theft. You have been robbed repeatedly

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<v Speaker 1>by Washington DC. Remember Elon Musk. Elon Musk did something.

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<v Speaker 1>It might have been on Joe Rogan. I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 1>where it was, but he talked recently about what he

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<v Speaker 1>was discovering at DOGE and how the money works and

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<v Speaker 1>how essentially ninety cents of every dollar, even the foreign

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<v Speaker 1>aid stuff, the foreign aid stuff. You might think that

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<v Speaker 1>that money goes overseas. No no, no, no, no, no, ninety cents

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<v Speaker 1>of every dollar stays right in Washington, d C. Remember

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<v Speaker 1>that story. We touched on it a little bit about

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<v Speaker 1>the at what was it the African Development Office or

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<v Speaker 1>something stupid like that. And it doesn't take a genius

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out the job of that office is stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Help Africa. Of course was your money, which you'd never

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<v Speaker 1>agreed to. But we did a help Africa, except all

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<v Speaker 1>the money just stayed here, and the money that did

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<v Speaker 1>go to Africa, most of it came right back here.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how it worked. Now that actually was a crime.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, the guys I believe already been indicted or

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<v Speaker 1>being indicted. I know he's being investigated. But this is

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<v Speaker 1>how Washington corruption works. And this brings me to this

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<v Speaker 1>little story here. Insider trading is something we've discussed before.

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<v Speaker 1>Insider trading. As far as far as Congress goes, Congress

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<v Speaker 1>sadly has a lot of control over our economy. They

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<v Speaker 1>have a lot of sway over our economy. Things they do,

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<v Speaker 1>things they don't do. It makes certain sectors of our

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<v Speaker 1>economy go up, certain sectors go down. And these people

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<v Speaker 1>they know before we know. You're not in these committee meetings.

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<v Speaker 1>They know before we know, and they trade stocks to

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<v Speaker 1>make money or avoid losing money before you get the opportunity,

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<v Speaker 1>before I get the opportunity. That's a violation of the law.

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<v Speaker 1>If any if I have a inside knowledge, Let's say

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a big stockholder in Nike, I'm not, but Let's

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<v Speaker 1>say I'm a big stockholder in Nike, and maybe my

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<v Speaker 1>brother feeds me some information that, hey, hey, Jesse, I

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<v Speaker 1>work for Nike, and let me tell you what. They've

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<v Speaker 1>got a new shoe coming out. Stock's about to blow up.

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<v Speaker 1>And let's say I sell a bunch of stock or

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<v Speaker 1>for Nike told me that I'm going to prison. As

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<v Speaker 1>you know that that's illegal. Yet Congress does this all

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<v Speaker 1>the time. There's a reason members of Congress routinely beat

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<v Speaker 1>the greatest financial consultants in the country. It's because they're

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<v Speaker 1>insider trading. Mike Johnson, this is hilarious. He came out

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<v Speaker 1>and he said that he backs a bipartisan push on

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<v Speaker 1>banning congressional stock trading, but he stopped short of promising

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<v Speaker 1>a vote on it.

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<v Speaker 3>Gosh, that might be the most Republican statement in the

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<v Speaker 3>history of Republican statements. We should definitely ban this, and

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<v Speaker 3>I might have a vote on it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean probably not, but maybe we'll vote on it

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<v Speaker 1>one day. Maybe after the election, we'll have a vote

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<v Speaker 1>on it. That might be the most gop thing in

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<v Speaker 1>the world. These people are all thieves and scumbags. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is why people get angry about politics. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>also why I call it the low T GOP. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not just because Mike Johnson and the rest of the

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<v Speaker 1>Republican Party have lower T levels than the average American

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<v Speaker 1>male that can be fixed with chalk. It's because these

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<v Speaker 1>people never have the guts to actually stand up to

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<v Speaker 1>DC corruption. In fact, Tim Burchett said something about DC

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<v Speaker 1>corruption in Congress. Before we get to Tim Burchett, let

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<v Speaker 1>your body, your mind works better, your focus is better,

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<v Speaker 1>Chalk dot Com promo code Jesse We'll be back. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the Jesse Kelly Show, a Jesse Kelly Show. I

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<v Speaker 1>am excited because Brandon Wikert is coming up about ten

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<v Speaker 1>minutes from now, and you are about to be so

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<v Speaker 1>much smarter than you already are I am too, Chris,

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<v Speaker 1>not so much. But we can only do what we

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<v Speaker 1>can do. That is going to be fascinating. Tim Burchett,

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<v Speaker 1>who I love, Tennessee's own Tim Burchett. He was talking

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<v Speaker 1>about Congress and Trump's executive orders and here's what he said.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, everybody coms from Tim Burchett. I'm incredibly frustrating this.

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<v Speaker 4>After that, we will seriously lose our country. We have

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<v Speaker 4>got to start condifying these executive orders from President Trump.

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<v Speaker 4>America realizes what's going on. Congress seas to wake up,

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<v Speaker 4>and Dad Gemmmett, we get to do our job.

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<v Speaker 1>What has happened in d C. What is happening in

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<v Speaker 1>DC is the American people are completely fed up with

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<v Speaker 1>the corruption. They're fed up with the way Congress has

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<v Speaker 1>done things, and as per usual, DC's the last to know.

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<v Speaker 1>And now that they're starting to pick up on the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that people really want genuine change, like banning of

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<v Speaker 1>stock trading, as we were just talking about. People want

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<v Speaker 1>these changes, they want these changes. What Congress is now

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<v Speaker 1>going to try to do is something they've been trying

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<v Speaker 1>to do for some years now. They're trying to wait

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<v Speaker 1>out Trump because they think the source of all these

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<v Speaker 1>what they're dealing with. Donald Trump is there because the

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we'll try to schedule a vote. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>really sure. I don't know. My dog's sick. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>wait me out. I know it. I have a son

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<v Speaker 1>A couple times we tried, when he was younger, we

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<v Speaker 1>to us, in a much less adorable way. Congress is

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<v Speaker 1>the GOP does not want to codify anything into law

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, they want to do the opposite of all

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<v Speaker 1>they're hoping is. I bet you they wake up every day,

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<v Speaker 1>I bet you they have. I bet you they have

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<v Speaker 1>here to tell each and every person who thinks that

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<v Speaker 1>in Congress you really don't understand what is happening in

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<v Speaker 1>this country. You don't understand it at all. You've spent

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<v Speaker 1>too much time around lobbyists and other scumbag politicians. You've

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<v Speaker 1>spent too much time in Washington, d C. The American

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<v Speaker 1>people's anger at how things are done in this country

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<v Speaker 1>is palpable, and it's getting worse and worse and worse,

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff like this. I played it only pours gas

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<v Speaker 2>And they passed the stimulus bill under the Obama era,

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<v Speaker 2>And sometimes you look around the country and go, where

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<v Speaker 2>did two trillion dollars go? Where is all the infantry structure?

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<v Speaker 1>Up in the American people are sick of it. And

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<v Speaker 1>COVID actually helped move this along as well. The American

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<v Speaker 1>not as I do politicians in this country. The politicians

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<v Speaker 1>both in Congress. Remember remember when they left the congressional

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<v Speaker 1>gym open, these morons. American gyms closed across the country

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<v Speaker 1>because of a chess cold, which is hilarious, but they

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<v Speaker 1>And then the story came out that Congress has a

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<v Speaker 1>were just completely oblivious to it. I remember one guy

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<v Speaker 1>they do not understand the level of anger that is

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<v Speaker 1>up that story about that illegal to start out the show.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't understand the level of anger Americans have at

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<v Speaker 1>illegals committing crimes in this country that hasn't even gone in.

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<v Speaker 1>Even most Republicans don't really fully understand how bad that

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<v Speaker 1>suffer from the worst case of signal lag I've ever seen.

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Johnson says, we'll try to get a vote on

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<v Speaker 1>banning insider trading if we get to it. That's essentially

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<v Speaker 1>what he said. Well, kind of I don't know. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>we'll vote on it, and you guys better wake up.

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<v Speaker 1>This is why I tell you a dictator is coming.

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<v Speaker 1>You're going to keep ignoring the people and ignoring the people,

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<v Speaker 1>trying to wait out Trump and wait out this and

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<v Speaker 1>hoping this will pass. It's not going to pass. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>telling you right now, it's going to be bad. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of all the crime, what do you do when

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<v Speaker 1>one of the two major political parties wants more of it?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you do?

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<v Speaker 5>Well?

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<v Speaker 1>You better get something to protect yourself, man, especially if

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<v Speaker 1>you live in one of these blue areas. They are

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<v Speaker 1>pro criminal and anti you. What are you gonna do?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have a burna yet? You know they have

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<v Speaker 1>a new compact launcher. It fires at four hundred feet

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<v Speaker 1>per second. It's non lethal. But Jesse, I can't own that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in Colorado. I can't own that I'm in California. No, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>burna is legal everywhere all fifty states. You don't need

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<v Speaker 1>a permit, you don't need a background check. SWAT teams

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<v Speaker 1>carry them, private security companies carry them. Over five hundred

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<v Speaker 1>government agencies carry them. These things are Legit will save

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<v Speaker 1>your friggin life, man, it'll put a stop to a

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<v Speaker 1>to your you sent away to college, Please your mom,

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<v Speaker 1>gets you a discount, all right, Berna dot com slash Jesse.

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<v Speaker 1>Brandon Wikert educates us on international things. Next he is

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<v Speaker 1>the Jesse Kelly Show on a wonderful, wonderful Wednesday. Remember

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<v Speaker 1>you can email the show Jesse at Jesse kellyshow dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very rare for us to have one guest on

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<v Speaker 1>the show, let alone too, But it just felt right

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<v Speaker 1>today because I need to know what the heck is

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<v Speaker 1>going on overseas. Trump is in Saudi Arabia now he's

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<v Speaker 1>in k Tar. I know the experts call it cutter,

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<v Speaker 1>but I went to community college. Either way, I bet

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<v Speaker 1>Brandon Wickert knows what's going on. He wrote the book

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<v Speaker 1>The Shadow War about Iran. Those dirt balls, Brandon. What's

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<v Speaker 1>going on with Trump and Iran? And I've heard, especially

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<v Speaker 1>in that speech he gave yesterday a lot of what

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<v Speaker 5>Well, thanks for having me, and we are moving at

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<v Speaker 5>the speed of Trump. It's almost hard for me to

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<v Speaker 5>keep up, and I do this for a living. The

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<v Speaker 5>just say that his speech yesterday was probably the best

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<v Speaker 5>speech of either of his terms so far in office.

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<v Speaker 5>It certainly set the table for I think how America

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<v Speaker 5>but probably beyond as well. With the Middle East. We

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<v Speaker 5>are clearly no longer going to prioritize the region the

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<v Speaker 5>way that we were doing after nine to eleven. That's

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<v Speaker 5>both good and bad. The good thing is we don't

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<v Speaker 5>kids to go fight and die in those Middle East wars. Now.

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<v Speaker 5>The downside here, though, is it looks like he's handing

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<v Speaker 5>the region over at least to some bad actors, not all,

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<v Speaker 5>but some, like the Muslim Brotherhood in Qatar. So there

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<v Speaker 5>are some real concerns, and it isn't just from not

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<v Speaker 5>never Trump types. There are some real concerns from people

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<v Speaker 5>That maybe Trump is getting too cozy with the Kataris

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<v Speaker 5>for instance, who are a huge funder of the Islamic

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<v Speaker 5>terrorism that we've been dealing with since nine to eleven.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so let's actually nail down on that. It's one

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<v Speaker 1>because you're the furthest thing in the world from a

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<v Speaker 1>at it. I'm concerned myself. However, is there a way

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<v Speaker 1>for us to wash our hands of this reason region

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<v Speaker 1>and let them do what they do without handing it

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<v Speaker 1>to some bad actors Because bad actors run a lot

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<v Speaker 5>There, That's right, that's right now. I think that's probably

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<v Speaker 5>what's a play here, because like I said, they're not

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<v Speaker 5>all bad actors. I mean the Saudi government at least

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<v Speaker 5>has a very very strong rapport with President Trump. That's

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<v Speaker 5>the real in the Arab world at least, that's the

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<v Speaker 5>real power. And so the fact that we've got a

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<v Speaker 5>the Kataris he's letting in. But the fact that we've

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<v Speaker 5>got the Crown Prince Saudi Arabia that will balance that

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<v Speaker 5>into the Muslim Brotherhood stuff either. The problem is, though,

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<v Speaker 5>the Muslim Brotherhood itself, which is the umbrella organization for Islamism,

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<v Speaker 5>that is the ideology that we've been fighting. That's the

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<v Speaker 5>ideology of Bin Laden al Qaeda. The ideology of isis,

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<v Speaker 5>the ideology of Jelani and Syria, who again I'm very

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<v Speaker 5>disturbed Trump is recognizing. But ultimately the Saudis are a

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<v Speaker 5>great counter weight to that, which is why I say

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<v Speaker 5>it's not all bad, but it is concerning. And I

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<v Speaker 5>think though this is part of a larger move to

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<v Speaker 5>locals clean up their own messes. Now, the downside's going

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<v Speaker 5>to be for our friends in Israel, because our friends

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So there's so much to unpack there. Let's nail

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<v Speaker 5>I think what Trump has been trying to do is

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<v Speaker 5>Trump felt he no longer had a viable partner in

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<v Speaker 5>Netan Yahoo. Now what I think might happen is whenever

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<v Speaker 5>the political system in Israel gets back on track. It's

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<v Speaker 5>been sort of off kilter since the October seventh terror attacks.

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<v Speaker 5>I think whatever that process comes back into play, where

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<v Speaker 5>domestic politics in Israel starts normalizing, I think Netan yah

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<v Speaker 5>Who's probably not gonna last much longer in office, and

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<v Speaker 5>at that point there might be a resetting of relations

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<v Speaker 5>between Israel and the US. But I argue, as long

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<v Speaker 5>as Netan Yaho is in office, Trump's gonna let the

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<v Speaker 5>kind of Islamic powers of the region isolate Israel so

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<v Speaker 5>that it buys us time and favor to leave peacefully

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<v Speaker 5>from the wider Middle East.

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<v Speaker 1>Did the Gazza stuff the gaze of war or I

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't call it stuff. Did the Gaza war that Israel

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<v Speaker 1>was fighting? Is that something that Trump likes dislikes that?

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<v Speaker 1>I asked, because I remember, like it was yesterday when

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<v Speaker 1>he talked about putting up hotels and just making a

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<v Speaker 1>nice yeah, yeah, no, I go ahead, go ahead, good please.

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<v Speaker 5>No. I think that he wants peace in the region.

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<v Speaker 5>I think initially he thought net and Yahoo would be

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<v Speaker 5>his ticket to quickly getting peace. You have to remember, though,

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<v Speaker 5>the Israeli military is highly competent, but they're a small force.

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<v Speaker 5>And so when they went in to Gaza, yes, they

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<v Speaker 5>did a lot of damage to Hamas and that's good,

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<v Speaker 5>but unfortunately there was a lot of collateral damage. And

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<v Speaker 5>I think Trump is looking around, going this doesn't look

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<v Speaker 5>good for me in America in the region to be

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<v Speaker 5>so closely tethered to all of the destruction in Gaza. Now, look,

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<v Speaker 5>I think that Yahoo was justified to protect himself, to

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<v Speaker 5>protect his country. Collateral damage is part of war, but Ultimately,

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<v Speaker 5>from the American perspective, it was at least as Trump

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<v Speaker 5>saw it, it wasn't conducive to what he was trying

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<v Speaker 5>to do with the wider region. And the wider region

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<v Speaker 5>is not just Israel, it's the Arabs, it's even Iran

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<v Speaker 5>and Turkey. So he's got to balance what Israel needs

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<v Speaker 5>with what American needs to do, which is to extricate

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<v Speaker 5>itself from the region without completely surrendering the region. To say, Iran, this.

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<v Speaker 1>Stuff is all so complicated with our allies here in

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<v Speaker 1>enemies here. I need Chris. Next time we book, Brandon Wikert,

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<v Speaker 1>I think we need to get in for like an

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<v Speaker 1>hour or something like that. I'm not going to ask

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<v Speaker 1>you for an hour, Brandon, but do you have maybe

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<v Speaker 1>one more segment with these because I want to talk

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<v Speaker 1>I want to talk Turkey. Haa. How about that, Chris, Chris,

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<v Speaker 1>that was funny. It was a dad joke. Whatever. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>we will be right back with Brandon Weikert talking Turkey, Iran, Iraq.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm curious are they anything anymore? All that and more

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<v Speaker 1>coming up Hang on Truth Attitude Jesse Kelly with Brandon Whitehert. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>you know Brandon Wicker. If you listen to this show,

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<v Speaker 1>highly recommend you pick up his book Shadow War. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so I first want to ask you about Turkey before

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<v Speaker 1>we get to Iran in Iraq, because you mentioned to

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<v Speaker 1>us before on this show that they are really the

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<v Speaker 1>big dog in the region. So maybe you could let

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<v Speaker 1>us know what is Turkey, Brandon. Is it some Islamist state?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it a secular state? Are they are they shied?

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<v Speaker 1>Are they sunny?

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<v Speaker 5>What?

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<v Speaker 1>Are they?

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<v Speaker 5>Definitely an Islamist state. They are predominantly Sunni ethnic Turks.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a little bit different than the Saudi Arabia, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>Qatar side, which are ethnic Arabs, but they're also Sunni Muslim.

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<v Speaker 5>The thing with Turkey is under the current regime of

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<v Speaker 5>rasp taiep Erdowan, the president. He is an Islamist, he

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<v Speaker 5>belongs to the Islamist Party and he has made it

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<v Speaker 5>clear his intention to rebuild the lost Ottoman Empire that

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<v Speaker 5>collapsed at the end of the First World War, that

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<v Speaker 5>was for hundreds of years the dominant power in the

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<v Speaker 5>Middle East, and he is on track to restore it's

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<v Speaker 5>called the Neo Ottoman Empire. He is on track to

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<v Speaker 5>bring that to be into being and I argue that

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<v Speaker 5>Trump's moves right now, whether it means to or not,

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<v Speaker 5>they are going to allow for Turkey to take a

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<v Speaker 5>much greater role in the Middle East as we step out. Now,

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<v Speaker 5>that's somewhat of a good thing because technically Turkey is

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<v Speaker 5>a NATO ally. At the same time, though they're very

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<v Speaker 5>unpredictable and unstable and at times on friendly ally. And furthermore,

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<v Speaker 5>if you're sitting in Israel, the last thing you should

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<v Speaker 5>be wanting is a Turkey coming in and restoring the

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<v Speaker 5>Ottoman Empire, because that probably means the end of Israel.

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<v Speaker 5>The Turks are going to try to crush Israel at

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<v Speaker 5>some point, and they've got the military capabilities in the

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<v Speaker 5>long term to do that. So what's happening now is

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<v Speaker 5>a completely generational shift. It's going back to the way

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<v Speaker 5>things were before World War One in the region with

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<v Speaker 5>Turkey as the dominant power. That's not a good thing,

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<v Speaker 5>though necessarily for our friends in Israel.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so they're going to fill the vacuum of power

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<v Speaker 1>when we step out. Where does Iran fit in all

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<v Speaker 1>this Turkey obviously we know how they fit with Israel,

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<v Speaker 1>but Turkey, Iraq, but where where is Iran as far

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<v Speaker 1>as they're their military capability, they're they're who they're on.

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<v Speaker 1>Whose side are they on?

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<v Speaker 5>Where are they in this well, the Iranians, that's a

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<v Speaker 5>great question. The Iranians are predominantly a Sheiite Muslim power,

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<v Speaker 5>ethnic Persians, so they're really kind of on the outside

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<v Speaker 5>of the region in many respects. They are Muslims, so

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<v Speaker 5>that they have a lot of weight in the region,

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<v Speaker 5>but they're not the predominant Sunni power. They are the

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<v Speaker 5>Shiite power. What that means is Iran has spent the

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<v Speaker 5>last last several decades desperately trying to make for itself,

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<v Speaker 5>to make itself into the dominant regional power that was

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<v Speaker 5>playing out throughout the Iraq War in two thousand and three,

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<v Speaker 5>that was playing out afterward during the Arab Spring and

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<v Speaker 5>all of that. Ultimately, I argue it looks to me

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<v Speaker 5>like the Iranians are on the back foot. They have

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<v Speaker 5>lost their connectivity to Syria through Iraq, They've lost their

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<v Speaker 5>connectivity to Hesbla in Lebanon. They're very much isolated in

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<v Speaker 5>their own part of the region. However, Iran itself is

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<v Speaker 5>a very hardened target. They have very sophisticated air defenses.

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<v Speaker 5>They have a very capable for that region military, which

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<v Speaker 5>means that any strike by US or even Israel on

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<v Speaker 5>Iran might not end very well for US because of

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<v Speaker 5>how complex the Iranian defenses are. Moving beyond the defensive

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<v Speaker 5>to the offensive. I argue Iran is at the weakest

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<v Speaker 5>that has been in years. It cannot initiate the kinds

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<v Speaker 5>of offense since it was doing in twenty fourteen, for instance,

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<v Speaker 5>against Isis, because it's lost Syria, it's losing parts of

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<v Speaker 5>Iraq to Turkish backed groups the Sunni groups. So ultimately

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<v Speaker 5>what will happen I think is Turkey will become the

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<v Speaker 5>dominant force in the region and the Iranians will basically

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<v Speaker 5>kind of have their own little enclave in Iran itself,

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<v Speaker 5>not unlike historically where you had the Ottoman Empire leading

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<v Speaker 5>the Sunni side and then you had kind of an

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<v Speaker 5>Iranian you know, the Sapovid for instance, empire running the

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<v Speaker 5>kind of the Iranian side of things, and that's kind

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<v Speaker 5>of a balance of power between the two of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm going to need a new Lawrence of Arabia

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<v Speaker 1>at some point in time here soon. Yes, don't roll

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<v Speaker 1>your eyes, all right, Iraq. What I spent a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of time in that dump. Where are they now?

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<v Speaker 5>So they are torn between a Shiite dominant population, their

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<v Speaker 5>majority Shiite, which means they are aligned with Iran. This

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<v Speaker 5>is why I said Iran after Iran War, after we

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<v Speaker 5>got rid of Saddam, Iran basically was Ami offensive because

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<v Speaker 5>they were able to move in to Iraq. We basically

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<v Speaker 5>got rid of Saddam and handed Iraq over to Iran,

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<v Speaker 5>which was not what we wanted to do. But there's

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<v Speaker 5>also the Sunni element in northern and western Iraq near

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<v Speaker 5>the Syrian border, the Sunni Triangle maybe you're familiar with

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<v Speaker 5>if you served in Iraq, that was a key area

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<v Speaker 5>of operation. The Turks are actually moving in force there

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<v Speaker 5>to support the Sunni side that previously was the home

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<v Speaker 5>of Al Qaeda in Iraq and ISIS. So you have

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<v Speaker 5>shaping up in Iraq sort of this this no man's

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<v Speaker 5>land between Turkish backed Sunni militants and the Shike backed

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<v Speaker 5>Iranian militants of the south of Iraq. So Iraq doesn't really,

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<v Speaker 5>in my opinion, exist per se as a functional country.

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<v Speaker 5>It's sort of like you know, a middle like a

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<v Speaker 5>neutral zone between the Sunni and Shia sides of the region.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh good, well, at least all that fighting was worth it.

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<v Speaker 1>That makes me feel really wonderful. Okay, so finally I

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<v Speaker 1>swear I'll let you go after this one. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for giving us an education. Random Russia, China and frankly Europe.

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<v Speaker 1>You say, when we back away, Turkey fills that vacuum.

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<v Speaker 1>Are these other significant powers on the planet not interested,

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<v Speaker 1>not involved, not able to get involved? Where are they?

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<v Speaker 1>Why are they not sticking their noses all that?

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<v Speaker 5>No, No, Russia, Russia and China are very much involved

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<v Speaker 5>through Iran. Basically, once we back away, you'll have the

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<v Speaker 5>Turk spilling the void. But then also on the periphery

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<v Speaker 5>you'll have Russia and China having more influence via Iran.

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<v Speaker 5>China buys eighty percent of Iran's natural gas and oil.

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<v Speaker 5>Most of Saudi Arabia's oil is sold to Asia, Japan,

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<v Speaker 5>but also China. So China is going to have a

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<v Speaker 5>significant long presence in the region regardless of what happens

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<v Speaker 5>with these Trump deals. Second of all, Russia is a

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<v Speaker 5>key military partner for many of these regimes, notably Iran,

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<v Speaker 5>but they're also making bold moves right now in Libya

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<v Speaker 5>where Russian backed militants are fighting Turkish backed militants for

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<v Speaker 5>control of Libya. So ultimately those two powers will have

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<v Speaker 5>a greater influence as we step back the Europeans. They're

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<v Speaker 5>sort of trying to get in, but ultimately the Europeans

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<v Speaker 5>are not a real power anymore, and so they're going

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<v Speaker 5>to be forced to just watch from the periphery.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he is, Brandon Weikert. I bet you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to buy that book now, aren't you. The book is

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<v Speaker 1>Shadow War. Brandon, come back and see us soon. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much. I appreciate you, brother. I'm so smart. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>don't roll your eyes, Chris. And it did give me

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<v Speaker 1>an idea to talk about something I wasn't going to

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<v Speaker 1>go this direction an hour three, but we're let's talk

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<v Speaker 1>about America's influence internationally and why it's going the way

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<v Speaker 1>it's going.

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<v Speaker 5>This has been a podcast from wor
