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Speaker 2: Honored to be here. This is going to be really fun, Nick,
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Speaker 3: What's up, guys, Good morning, Sunday morning. I am Jules,
Speaker 3: the host of the Gray Pilled Podcast. I have a
Speaker 3: few other shows that I do, but Gray Pilled is
Speaker 3: kind of my main brand that I put all my
Speaker 3: other stuff under. I have yelohem Etymology that I do
Speaker 3: with my co host Adrian West, Sound Science I do
Speaker 3: with my co hosts The paranod American, and then I
Speaker 3: have a show I do I'm actually doing tonight. I
Speaker 3: do every other Sunday with my co host conspiracy Extremists
Speaker 3: called Sunday Chaos. We just hang out for a couple hours,
Speaker 3: drink a few beers, shoot the shit, talk about politics
Speaker 3: and culture, and some a little bit of degeneracy thrown
Speaker 3: in there as well. So it's always a fun time. Y'all.
Speaker 3: Come check it out on Rumble and X tonight at
Speaker 3: nine o'clock. So yeah, man, no, it's awesome to be here.
Speaker 3: I've been trying to get on with you for a minute.
Speaker 3: You came on, well, you came on my show, and
Speaker 3: then we did a Friday episode together, which was awesome. Man.
Speaker 3: We we talked about a lot of things that you
Speaker 3: don't you don't really get to talk about with too
Speaker 3: many people. Man. We had discussed that, you know, we
Speaker 3: have a lot of ideas in common new takes that
Speaker 3: you don't really hear every day, and it's it's it's
Speaker 3: always good, I think, to keep searching for the truth.
Speaker 3: You know, once you say you know everything, you know
Speaker 3: nothing right and Ethan. I love that the fourth initiate.
Speaker 3: I love that, you know, the three initiates, the playoff
Speaker 3: of that, that's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: I experience a lot of kind of I don't know
Speaker 2: what if it's a competition or condescending reaction from fellow
Speaker 2: writers often enough.
Speaker 5: So I.
Speaker 2: Chose to be so bold as to be the fourth initiate.
Speaker 2: Of course, after the three Initiates and I have an
Speaker 2: overt obsession with four and sets of four.
Speaker 3: So that's awesome, man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he did actually really good presentation on the
Speaker 1: on that. Yeah, that was fun. So Jules, uh, we're
Speaker 1: gonna get into Sumerian deities. What made you?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: I mean, was it just that they interest you? What
Speaker 1: made you actually get into like covering that?
Speaker 3: Well, originally it was it was years ago. I was
Speaker 3: into the ancient alien stuff. I wasn't too much into
Speaker 3: the esoteric or any kind of occult symbolism, and I
Speaker 3: kind of took a liking to it, and I started
Speaker 3: to read a little bit of Sichon, a little bit
Speaker 3: of Oh my god, I can't Lawrence Gardner. There we go.
Speaker 3: I didn't want to forget his name, and you know,
Speaker 3: just kind of reading the Book of Enoch, the Epic Gilgamesh,
Speaker 3: some of the Eugarytic texts like Little Man, uh, the
Speaker 3: creation stories from Sumeria, the Alish, and so other ancient texts,
Speaker 3: and started to kind of put these similarities together. In
Speaker 3: all of these stories, you find these same you can
Speaker 3: call them characters, entities, deities kind of rebranded throughout time,
Speaker 3: but you can trace their worship through the symbolism and
Speaker 3: through the etymology many things. And so when you start
Speaker 3: to kind of see the bigger picture, you're like, holy shit,
Speaker 3: this is just we are pawns in a battle that's
Speaker 3: been waging for thousands of years, I think, being basically
Speaker 3: there's two sides in these ancient stories that you see
Speaker 3: two clans, so to say, and so you kind of
Speaker 3: see this throughout time, just you know, these these wars
Speaker 3: that we are fighting that really we shouldn't be fighting,
Speaker 3: you know, and the enslavement of humanity as a whole
Speaker 3: I think originated with some of these entities long ago,
Speaker 3: and so this is a long game that they're playing.
Speaker 3: But when I started to get into the esoteric and
Speaker 3: reading Manly Palmer, hall Steiner, a bunch of other authors,
Speaker 3: you know, you kind of start to see the symbolism
Speaker 3: from these entities, from their worship all this other stuff,
Speaker 3: and you're like, wait a minute, this has a lot
Speaker 3: of meanings to it. This could mean a lot of
Speaker 3: different things. There there's a lot of ways to look
Speaker 3: at it. And I kind of threw off the ancient
Speaker 3: aliens thing, and it's like, you know, I don't know
Speaker 3: if space is faking gay, you know, I do believe.
Speaker 3: I do believe the earth is hollow. So I don't know,
Speaker 3: I've I've been talked about that a few times. I mean,
Speaker 3: it could be flat and hollow, right we I think
Speaker 3: we may have mentioned that when when when.
Speaker 1: We talked before.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, uh or a snowman, I don't know, it
Speaker 3: may look like an egg. But but yeah, dude, like, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, you can look at it spiritually. You can
Speaker 3: look at them as basically like, uh, maybe they are predecessors,
Speaker 3: just ancient humans.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: And that's where we get all of these proclivities and
Speaker 3: and all these stories being passed down because all these
Speaker 3: stories that you read in all these ancient texts, they
Speaker 3: originate in Sume area, so it seems. And so uh
Speaker 3: no man, just uh when you read about when you
Speaker 3: read about these entities, you see uh, just like a
Speaker 3: lot of human attributes in them as well. And so uh,
Speaker 3: I look at them as archetypal beings and maybe you know,
Speaker 3: they cast these these archetypes onto us. Maybe they they
Speaker 3: fell and they became our already in angels, and it's
Speaker 3: you know, our job too. I don't know, rise up
Speaker 3: through what people would call Christ or everyone has their
Speaker 3: own relationship with Christ. I think if you do have
Speaker 3: a certain kind of relationship with the Holy Spirit, I
Speaker 3: don't like you know, you'll talk about christ consciousness and
Speaker 3: a bunch of people will be like, well, that's disinformation,
Speaker 3: that's a new age, that's deceptive, and it's like, well,
Speaker 3: wait a minute, what makes this person's relationship any different
Speaker 3: than yours?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 3: Like, who are you to judge this person if if
Speaker 3: they are, you know, walking in close contact with the
Speaker 3: Holy Spirit. I know I'm going off on this tangent now,
Speaker 3: but you know, so you get a lot of pushback
Speaker 3: on that. But I don't know, man, I think religion
Speaker 3: is a tool being used to pen a lot of
Speaker 3: people against each other, like I said, pen humanity against
Speaker 3: each other. And that kind of goes back to these
Speaker 3: ancient stories as well, and I've been kind of digging
Speaker 3: into that a lot lately, where a lot of these
Speaker 3: names originated. And so, yeah, man, I just took an
Speaker 3: interest to it. I started making pantheon charts and the
Speaker 3: whole thing, and like, uh, you know, I need to
Speaker 3: go ahead and remake them. Probably it's been about a year,
Speaker 3: but that's what first got me started. I was like, dude,
Speaker 3: I've I've researched a lot of this stuff. I've read
Speaker 3: a lot of these books. I need to talk about
Speaker 3: it because I'm driving my wife crazy. And but you know, uh,
Speaker 3: what's up.
Speaker 4: It happened so you could view a lot of this
Speaker 4: conflict like you're talking about with the East versus West divide, right,
Speaker 4: So you've got on one side of this boss Orus River,
Speaker 4: this dividing line between Asia and Europe as being where
Speaker 4: this sort of migration of beliefs start to come in. So,
Speaker 4: for example, you've got Anu over here in Mesopotamia and
Speaker 4: over on the other side they call them Unos. So
Speaker 4: these differences they translate from one place to the other,
Speaker 4: and you see a lot of this Dionysus worship coming
Speaker 4: from this region changing its form, because the originally it's
Speaker 4: like Atis worship in the central part of Anatolia or Turkey,
Speaker 4: and then it shifts over and it becomes this kind
Speaker 4: of Dionysus worship over in Greece. So a lot of
Speaker 4: this translation stuff starts to happen across this Bosphorus River
Speaker 4: that goes right up to the Black Sea, and where
Speaker 4: we see all this conflict happening. Today, You've got the
Speaker 4: ancient war between the Trojans and the Greeks. You know,
Speaker 4: right on that line, you know, the very first divide
Speaker 4: between East and West is right through there. And so
Speaker 4: really understanding this stuff allow you to understand the history
Speaker 4: of this East versus West conflict that are really fundamental
Speaker 4: level that we're still going through.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny how you say that about Anu, because
Speaker 3: you could say the same thing with Huramazda. In Egypt,
Speaker 3: he was known as an e you know, so you
Speaker 3: just change one letter there, and in those stories, like
Speaker 3: it's it's crazy, Uh, you really only see Anu when
Speaker 3: they talk about him coming to Earth. You only see
Speaker 3: him come to Earth a couple times. So it's like
Speaker 3: he has this hierarchy above all these other beings and
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, it's when you look at the
Speaker 3: hierarchies of angels and stuff, it's like, who is this guy?
Speaker 3: You know? But you find that with most of these deities, man,
Speaker 3: you find these translations of their names usually all goes
Speaker 3: back to one place, whether it's what we were saying
Speaker 3: earlier before the show, if it's on or Zoo or key,
Speaker 3: then you find a lot of it, uh, that traces
Speaker 3: back to sume area. And then when so when you
Speaker 3: put it next to these stories, it's like, Okay, well
Speaker 3: this is the same person that they're talking about now.
Speaker 3: Is just symbolic or is this a physical you know,
Speaker 3: uh being entity whatever you like, I said, whatever you
Speaker 3: want to call it. Some people look at it spiritually,
Speaker 3: some people look at it as ancient humans, you know,
Speaker 3: physically incarnating uh, reincarnation chambers.
Speaker 5: Right, Uh.
Speaker 3: Both talks about that. Or there's you know, there's been
Speaker 3: people talking about there's theories of you know, uh, things
Speaker 3: underneath the pyramid, underneath the sphinx.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: And and then you read about the Halls of Amente,
Speaker 3: which I think is maybe just like in a caustic
Speaker 3: realm or something. Uh. That's where you get like the
Speaker 3: emerald tablets or emerald as they're alchemical, right, they're in
Speaker 3: the ether. It's like the stuff that Edgar Casey kind
Speaker 3: of tapped into. And it's the same I think with
Speaker 3: like the the Mormons and the gold and the golden tablets, right,
Speaker 3: like that's the final process of alchemy, right to turn
Speaker 3: into gold. And so I think that has something to
Speaker 3: do with it as well. So yeah, man, I mean,
Speaker 3: this this stuff really interested me because you you kind
Speaker 3: of get to see who uh is in control today
Speaker 3: because you see, okay, so you see like the eagle
Speaker 3: everywhere right like it's on our flag. That you also
Speaker 3: see the serpent in a lot of places as well.
Speaker 3: And that goes back to these two sides warring for
Speaker 3: thousands of years. It talks about before humanity was really ever,
Speaker 3: like right right when they were created basically, so it
Speaker 3: says that they created us in there, you know, and
Speaker 3: their image and their stories, and they created like many
Speaker 3: versions of atom or something like there are multiple atoms
Speaker 3: in these stories. You have a Damu, you have a
Speaker 3: Dapa and uh Adapa being the last one being basically
Speaker 3: a king in Sumeria like this guy like the same
Speaker 3: thing with Noah, all right, ut and epistem or Zaya
Speaker 3: Sudra was a Sumerian king. When you look at the
Speaker 3: Sumerian kings list, you see that. So, uh, there's a
Speaker 3: lot that we're not told that I think you can
Speaker 3: find in these uh in these other texts, you know,
Speaker 3: and take it with a grain of salt, you know,
Speaker 3: like do your own research. But uh, from the research
Speaker 3: I've done, you can connect these things pretty well. If
Speaker 3: you know what you're talking about. I hope y'all don't
Speaker 3: hear screaming. I have a three year old, was a
Speaker 3: little low.
Speaker 1: It's fine, it's fine. I deal with a lot worse.
Speaker 1: You're fine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so feathered, so yeah, yeah, the feathered Serpent. You
Speaker 3: see that all throughout South America. We actually just did
Speaker 3: was part two on ninga Zeita, who is ai or
Speaker 3: Inky's middle son, also known as Thoth Hermes to Hoodie.
Speaker 3: You see him break off from Egypt and go to
Speaker 3: South America with the Olmes and start kind of kickstart
Speaker 3: all these civilizations down there. And he's, yeah, he's worshiped
Speaker 3: as the plume serpent, the feathered Serpent. I think when
Speaker 3: you really start to look at these entities, you see
Speaker 3: a lot of dualism and as well, you see them like,
Speaker 3: I don't really look at him as good or bad. You.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think a lot of them are. Probably
Speaker 3: they acted pretty shitty. They acted shitty towards each other
Speaker 3: as well, and they knew what they were doing was
Speaker 3: against whoever created everything, the creator what they call the
Speaker 3: creator of all. You know that they know that they're
Speaker 3: fucking up, that they're doing wrong, and that they're going
Speaker 3: to face consequences for it, but they do it anyway,
Speaker 3: Thus the fall of the angels, and so yeah, you
Speaker 3: just kind of keep seeing them rebranded throughout time. And
Speaker 3: I mean it could be you know, they had like
Speaker 3: the Demi gods in Greece and Rome, if I mean,
Speaker 3: you know, I've definitely looked into all that being symbolic
Speaker 3: and nothing else, right, but like maybe that's the hybrid
Speaker 3: children of these fallen beings that they used, like this
Speaker 3: fallen angel DNA genetic tinkering to create as well as
Speaker 3: in vitro fertilization. Yeah, this was used all the way
Speaker 3: back then as well. From the research my co host
Speaker 3: Adrian is done. That's how the Mesopotamian god of this
Speaker 3: see was created. Inky he was an egg berth. I
Speaker 3: was gonna.
Speaker 1: Say, I could be wrong, but I you know, this
Speaker 1: really isn't so much the deities. I guess it's more
Speaker 1: of the text of the story. But I thought, I
Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, like there is like at some
Speaker 1: point they do talk about how somebody came into being,
Speaker 1: and it like literally is like kind of like the
Speaker 1: way we have science now with making like test to babies. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're like, don't they mentioned that they took this from
Speaker 1: that and this from there, and then they kind of like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: like what we're doing.
Speaker 3: Now, Oh dude, it's it's rebranded, that's all they're doing.
Speaker 3: And and and like it talks about taking dirt from Nibiru,
Speaker 3: whether that be another dimension, another planet, uh, somewhere beyond
Speaker 3: the ice wall, whatever you want to call it, taking
Speaker 3: dirt from there, like some of their seemen their spit
Speaker 3: and like yeah, putting it into tube, shaking it up
Speaker 3: and just fucking you know, let's see what we can
Speaker 3: create here. And they create all sorts of these beings
Speaker 3: and most of them they can't talk. It speaks about
Speaker 3: their ability to hold tools. That was very important because
Speaker 3: if you read about like the gold mining operations, which
Speaker 3: is one of the ancient alien theories obviously, but it
Speaker 3: makes sense, like they call it the mana atomic gold
Speaker 3: and the mana from heaven. I don't know. You see
Speaker 3: these depictions of these beings with this little bag that
Speaker 3: they're carrying all the time, and I think that's what
Speaker 3: they were. They had in that bag, was this mana
Speaker 3: that would keep them living so long and keep them
Speaker 3: you know, kind of in line with how could because
Speaker 3: when you look at these stories, it talks about.
Speaker 1: Rafael just real, real quick, I want to throw in there.
Speaker 1: I think there is one quote somewhere in the Bible
Speaker 1: where I think they do consider Raphael like having like
Speaker 1: a thing of ointment with him that was healing. And
Speaker 1: I've always wondered if that like kind of maybe even
Speaker 1: goes back to that big christy Yes, yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Christ means the annointer and so having one of
Speaker 4: these angels as being the Christ. Because Christ wasn't a
Speaker 4: novel concept to the Greeks, they understood it. That was
Speaker 4: part of their rituals. And so when they talked about
Speaker 4: Jesus the Christ thing, they understood that as being sort
Speaker 4: of like this holy man who would annoint.
Speaker 6: So there was a.
Speaker 4: Cross over there between these different cultural practices that they
Speaker 4: could understand.
Speaker 6: I was.
Speaker 2: I think the symbolism there is related to the becoming
Speaker 2: of golden and more enlightened. And one idea in an
Speaker 2: alchemical and actually a tichi chie Gung concept is maintaining
Speaker 2: the hermetic seal, right, and that in a very energetic
Speaker 2: physical sense that we will often release our energy without
Speaker 2: even knowing it, and so we have to have a
Speaker 2: be a sealed unit to develop our golden attributes, if
Speaker 2: you will. I think it's a fascinating pantheon of ideas
Speaker 2: that sometimes answers questions we might have. And sometimes other
Speaker 2: symbological relationships from other from Egypt or even the East
Speaker 2: and so forth might answer questions that these depictions and
Speaker 2: symbological lessons might uh uh cause us to ask. One
Speaker 2: combination of snake and bird symbolism from the East, I
Speaker 2: think is valuable in that it is from martial arts
Speaker 2: and these arts of development uh and I think it
Speaker 2: kind of points to that in this lesson.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: So the origination of tai chi and actually a few
Speaker 2: other martial arts has a story where the aesthetic in
Speaker 2: the mountains, in the woods, uh is observing a snake
Speaker 2: and a crane battle and he noticed, he notices how
Speaker 2: they move in these coiling fashions and the and and
Speaker 2: the snake can be rooted and be in one place
Speaker 2: or another, and the bird is using its beak and
Speaker 2: its feathers, and it's one leg or another. And and
Speaker 2: that is where he conceptualizes the art of tai chi,
Speaker 2: which is really the art of self development in martial
Speaker 2: arts format through the combination of the two energies. So
Speaker 2: I think that I think that is often one that's
Speaker 2: not looked at in regards to the feather and the
Speaker 2: serpent idea.
Speaker 5: So I just wanted to.
Speaker 1: I heard that before. Actually that as well. That is interesting,
Speaker 1: thank you.
Speaker 3: It's very interesting. I love hearing symbolic takes on this
Speaker 3: stuff due because it really it helps my research a
Speaker 3: lot more. Yeah, you see, because some people will be like, well, yeah,
Speaker 3: they were part animal and all this. It's like, no,
Speaker 3: I'm starting to think that a lot of that animal
Speaker 3: symbolism is symbolism. For instance, with Thoth, you see the
Speaker 3: ibis bird, and that represents you know, the the ibis
Speaker 3: bird digs deep down into the ground, into the soil
Speaker 3: to bring up sustenance, so it represents digging down and
Speaker 3: bringing out of darkness into the light, right. And it's
Speaker 3: the same thing with the egle symbolism, which if you
Speaker 3: read about uh vehiculet symbolism of birds, you see that
Speaker 3: the egle in most mystery schools and esoteric traditions is
Speaker 3: just a rebranding of the phoenix.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 3: This this ancient alchemical bird that lives for five hundred years,
Speaker 3: and at the end of those years, dies and rises.
Speaker 3: It says, a worm rises out of the ashes basically
Speaker 3: and turns into this bird. Yeah, that's what mainly p
Speaker 3: Hall writes about. And so I find that very fascinating.
Speaker 3: Now I don't know if a phoenix is an actual bird,
Speaker 3: like if it actually exists, because it does say that
Speaker 3: only one can exist at each time. But when you
Speaker 3: see like the egle and a lot of these other
Speaker 3: larger birds, it is symbolic of the phoenix. And like
Speaker 3: what you were saying, that changing that you have in
Speaker 3: ternally I think into from your lower self into your
Speaker 3: higher self or what some people call your christ right,
Speaker 3: and so it's but it's the same thing with the
Speaker 3: serpent too, like and that's when you go back to
Speaker 3: these clans, uh and who was kind of represented as
Speaker 3: what And you see that there is this family tree
Speaker 3: that these guys have these kids, and they usually have
Speaker 3: them with their sister. That's where you see like the
Speaker 3: story of Zeus and hera Osiris and isis like they
Speaker 3: have this sister wife, right, And it's like that literally
Speaker 3: with every single one of them. They like where keep
Speaker 3: we're keeping it in the family comes from? I think,
Speaker 3: And that's where all these elite royal bloodlines. Do they
Speaker 3: in breathe right? Thousand years of inbreeding and you get
Speaker 3: one of them jaws or whatever they You know.
Speaker 1: What, it's really interesting. I was thinking about this and
Speaker 1: you know it's all out there. It's because I'm stone.
Speaker 1: If you think about like Egyptian mythology. Now, if you
Speaker 1: think about Egyptian mythology, you know they got some wild, twisted,
Speaker 1: fucking stories, many like sexually you know, sexually deviance in
Speaker 1: some ways. And the thing is, it's just like nowadays,
Speaker 1: all these ideas that we have with sexuality, would we
Speaker 1: know them unless somebody gave us the idea to run with,
Speaker 1: to choose. And I'm wondering, was that even a way
Speaker 1: just to throw out degeneracy into stories into the public
Speaker 1: for them to think of, like, oh, I'll act like
Speaker 1: that since that's what they did, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And that to sound crazy, It was just like a
Speaker 1: thought that I had that I was like, is that
Speaker 1: even a way of implanting options for you to act on?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Or if they seeded a lot of these bloodlines that
Speaker 3: we came from, you know, is it genetic? Right?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 3: Do we have to fight the urge to overcome, you know,
Speaker 3: what was passed down in our genes. I don't know, man,
Speaker 3: There's there's a lot of ways to look at that.
Speaker 3: But yeah, and then that goes to like the symbolism
Speaker 3: and each one, because what I try to explain a
Speaker 3: bunch is that there is no one satan. Satan means adversary,
Speaker 3: and even in the biblical text, in all these ancient texts,
Speaker 3: there's many adversaries, even like adversaries to the fallen Elohem,
Speaker 3: the Ananachi, whatever you want to call them. And so
Speaker 3: you see this this story kind of played out, and
Speaker 3: it really that's when you really get into it. For me,
Speaker 3: it was the story of Marduk also known as namshubb
Speaker 3: amar utu Asar Louis. That's another word you see, is Asar.
Speaker 3: That was the original name of Osiris, coming from a
Speaker 3: basically means scorcher. It's representing the dog star Serious and
Speaker 3: I mean, if you look at Serious Radio, you'll see
Speaker 3: their logo as a doghead with a star on his eye. Right,
Speaker 3: it can't it can't be any more clear than that.
Speaker 3: But but yeah, like I said, I think the dog
Speaker 3: that like I don't think that, well, no, I don't
Speaker 3: know my co hosts Adrian man like he he has
Speaker 3: this book right here. I'm gonna go ahead and griff
Speaker 3: this real fast, guys. Pantheon won the Golden Veins. He
Speaker 3: had written this. You see my ring light and the reflection.
Speaker 3: There we go. This is the first out of six
Speaker 3: that he's been writing, and his research is fascinating. But
Speaker 3: he does talk about Inky being an egg berth and
Speaker 3: coming from the basically being.
Speaker 5: A like.
Speaker 3: A truce in between two ancient alien races, Like, how
Speaker 3: do I explain it? It's in vitro fertilization. He was
Speaker 3: an egg berth, but so Au really wasn't his father,
Speaker 3: if that makes any kind of sense. And Leal, who
Speaker 3: some people may know as l or Saturn Cronus, he
Speaker 3: is his stepbrother, and that's why you see so much fighting.
Speaker 3: It's like they're not even brothers. They're just step brothers.
Speaker 3: But basically there is a queen of the of the
Speaker 3: Pleiades named Maya, this Reptilian goddess, goddess right queen and
Speaker 3: her and Onu have Inky out of this agreement to
Speaker 3: form a bond in in between their races, which is
Speaker 3: from Orion and Sirius. And that's of course you know,
Speaker 3: you see o Sirius Osyrus, he was one of those
Speaker 3: beings too. That was kind of I think from both
Speaker 3: of those different genetic lines if you believe in that stuff,
Speaker 3: because you see, he was a green dude, right do
Speaker 3: was green, so is Patah Pata is also inky in Egypt,
Speaker 3: like he was kind of behind the scenes watching his
Speaker 3: sons rule everything. But the story of Marduk, and I've
Speaker 3: talked about this guy so many fucking times now, man
Speaker 3: is one of the things that really interested me because
Speaker 3: this is when you get into the Book of Enoch
Speaker 3: and you read about Isazel and some Yaza, and you
Speaker 3: can read the same story you know, coming out of
Speaker 3: sume Aria as well, and you know, Sitchen's interpretations may
Speaker 3: not be one hundred percent correct. I've accepted that, and
Speaker 3: I'd take what he says with the grain of salt
Speaker 3: as well. But when you start to link these stories
Speaker 3: to other stories, it's kind of like, Okay, well, are
Speaker 3: all these people wrong? You know, but you kind of
Speaker 3: see that story with Marduke. He was outcast from every
Speaker 3: single one of their civilizations. He would form his own
Speaker 3: city and they would go bombit or they would try
Speaker 3: to wipe him because he was the first one to
Speaker 3: mate with the human woman. Well really it was his father,
Speaker 3: but his father kept that from everybody and kind of
Speaker 3: let his son be the scapegoat. That's what Azazel means, escapegoat.
Speaker 3: And so that story is what kind of pulled me
Speaker 3: into researching about that side of the family. Then you
Speaker 3: see him in Isaiah as Belle, his son Nabu being
Speaker 3: nebo like. So you see these names everywhere, and you're like,
Speaker 3: this is the same fucking story. Like these guys were
Speaker 3: being what you know, and some people don't see it
Speaker 3: that way, and that's fine, you know, Like I said,
Speaker 3: I you know, do your own research, but it's fascinating
Speaker 3: to me. It's fascinating to me, and I think we
Speaker 3: can figure out a lot about humanity and how not
Speaker 3: to repeat past mistakes through some of these stories. You know, definitely, definitely.
Speaker 6: Well it's interesting to put it.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you've ever heard of the story
Speaker 4: of the ten thousand, but there were ten thousand of
Speaker 4: these mercenaries from Greece that were used by the Persians
Speaker 4: to go smash their enemies, and what ended up happening
Speaker 4: is the guy who hired them ended up dying on
Speaker 4: the battlefield, so they were stranded. They had no way
Speaker 4: of getting home, so they had to make it back
Speaker 4: through this land that was hostile to them up to
Speaker 4: the Black Sea region so that they could make it
Speaker 4: across into their home territory without being killed by these
Speaker 4: you know, armies they were hired to kill. And they're
Speaker 4: going through all of the ruins of these Sumerian towns, right,
Speaker 4: they were all ruins by the time the Greeks were there.
Speaker 4: They had, you know, no interaction. And what's funny is
Speaker 4: they were worshiping gods based off of these gods in summer,
Speaker 4: and they had no idea what they were looking at.
Speaker 4: So as they're looking at all these ancient ruins, they're
Speaker 4: actually still continuing the worship even in their home territories,
Speaker 4: but they didn't know what they were looking at when
Speaker 4: they were seeing them firsthand. So it's kind of interesting
Speaker 4: because all of these kind of beliefs really did build
Speaker 4: off of each other. So even in the Greek era,
Speaker 4: they were using a lot of the stuff from this
Speaker 4: Babylonian and all that kind of world that was way
Speaker 4: before them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, it's just rebranded. That's why I had went
Speaker 3: on timfoil Hat recently, and I actually talked about that
Speaker 3: a bunch of how it is just these rebranded deities
Speaker 3: that you see throughout these civilizations. But yeah, man, like
Speaker 3: you had brought up who wasn't Nargol earlier? I think,
Speaker 3: what do you think about that guy?
Speaker 6: Well, what's interesting to.
Speaker 4: Me about Irgol is he's the god of war, right,
Speaker 4: and so he comes out in the spring because in
Speaker 4: the spring that's what the Babylonians, Assyrians, Samarians considered the
Speaker 4: war season. You know, everybody had harvested all their grain
Speaker 4: and stuff from the previous times and now it was
Speaker 4: the time to fight. And so Nrgol comes out in
Speaker 4: the spring, and then he goes back down into the
Speaker 4: other world during the fall and winter. So he's like
Speaker 4: a direct interpretation of what the Greeks saw as Persephone.
Speaker 4: So Persephone is the goddess that brings all the world
Speaker 4: back to life. And yet at the same time, like
Speaker 4: you've got this different vision of the same kind of
Speaker 4: deity over there Asnrgol, which is all about blood and disgusted.
Speaker 4: I mean, like you could talk about Nrgol all day long,
Speaker 4: But it's like the way these two deities had translated
Speaker 4: was completely different based off of what they were experiencing
Speaker 4: in the land that they were at. You know, the
Speaker 4: Greeks didn't necessarily like war. They used it, but you know,
Speaker 4: it wasn't necessarily the pinnacle of existence for them, whereas
Speaker 4: over in Sumerian Babylon that was the pinnacle of their
Speaker 4: existence is to get out there on the battlefield crush
Speaker 4: some skulls, you know, And they put it in all
Speaker 4: of their artwork too. It was just a massive bloody
Speaker 4: mess over there. All of the art was just them
Speaker 4: stomping their enemies into, you know, bloody piles on the ground.
Speaker 4: And yet in the Greek side of things, they're using
Speaker 4: a lot of the same deities, but not the same result,
Speaker 4: you know, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: No, the ancient stories are a lot more when you
Speaker 3: get into that. So ner Gall being the king of
Speaker 3: the underworld. It was actually, it's funny that you bring
Speaker 3: that up, because I've also looked at that as being
Speaker 3: maybe some symbolic because you know, what is it the
Speaker 3: Gregorian calendar. I think how it changed. The beginning of
Speaker 3: the year is really supposed to be in March, right,
Speaker 3: and so it's like fresh out of sleep from the
Speaker 3: winter the dead of winter in like blossomed into spring.
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, that would be probably the most ideal
Speaker 3: time for warrior, all rested up from the year. So
Speaker 3: when you talk about going back into the underworld, the
Speaker 3: underworld in these stories is interpreted as the mines in
Speaker 3: South Africa. And yeah, Persephone would line right up with
Speaker 3: the wife of Nergal, his cousin. Actually, no, his niece.
Speaker 3: Trying to think about where she lines up, Erishkagal, which
Speaker 3: in some of these stories they have a daughter named
Speaker 3: Lalitu who you could translate directly to Lilith being the
Speaker 3: first wife of the king Adapa Adam. And so there's
Speaker 3: a lot to get into there, but Persephone definitely aligns
Speaker 3: with Arishkagal, his his wife, the sister of Ishtar. And
Speaker 3: you know, there's the story because like I said earlier,
Speaker 3: these these these beings are killed or they're killing each other,
Speaker 3: trying to kill each other in all these stories, especially
Speaker 3: with mar Duke killing his youngest brother Tammuz or Themozi DomU.
Speaker 3: There there's there's a lot of names, Like dude, I
Speaker 3: keep finding more and more names the more like ancient
Speaker 3: tribes you look into, and if you go into Asia,
Speaker 3: if you go into like even the the Aboriginals from
Speaker 3: Australia have their own pantheon of these deities as well.
Speaker 3: It's crazy, dude. My my co host sent me a
Speaker 3: this pantheon chart I'm trying to digest and I'm just like,
Speaker 3: holy shit, it's gonna take me a while to even
Speaker 3: be able to talk about all this. You know, well, I.
Speaker 4: Think a lot of it comes down to the idea
Speaker 4: that there are these fundamental forces than human psychology that
Speaker 4: really branches out to all these different tribes that are
Speaker 4: disconnected because we have a lot of the same wiring.
Speaker 4: And so you see that translated and how similar their
Speaker 4: gods are. And the Agent people picked up on this
Speaker 4: almost immediately, and so they started doing syncretism where they
Speaker 4: would look at the different gods and then you know,
Speaker 4: try and compare them against their own and having that
Speaker 4: syncretism gave you a much easier path towards communication, because
Speaker 4: all these gods aren't just gods, They're part of the language, right,
Speaker 4: So all of these stories and all of the stuff
Speaker 4: this directly translated into the language in a very real sense.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you guys have seen that Star
Speaker 4: Trek episode where it was Star Trek the Next Generation
Speaker 4: and Picard has to communicate with this guy who can
Speaker 4: only speak in ancient mythology, right, that's the only way
Speaker 4: they communicate. So he's got to learn all these stories
Speaker 4: just by the way the guy is referring to things,
Speaker 4: and essentially he has to learn the stories through the language,
Speaker 4: and then by using that story, he can make his
Speaker 4: own responses back to him, even though he has no
Speaker 4: idea what the rest of the context is. On some level,
Speaker 4: that's what they're communicating with, is the idea that these
Speaker 4: ancient stories tell them who they are. And like you
Speaker 4: were saying earlier, the past is like a completely undiscovered country.
Speaker 4: Like once you go back there and see how these
Speaker 4: cultures are translated, you can pick out the different influences,
Speaker 4: but it's not immediately obvious until you're at that point
Speaker 4: in time, you know. And what we're doing now, I
Speaker 4: think is trying to reconstruct a little bit of that
Speaker 4: to give you a deeper look into the psychology of
Speaker 4: these people, because that's our psychology too. It gets translated
Speaker 4: directly to us. We're like a layer cake of civilizations,
Speaker 4: and so having that understanding of Sumaria actually gives us
Speaker 4: a better understanding of.
Speaker 3: Ourselves, absolutely, dude. And then you look at these pantheons
Speaker 3: and you're like, wait a minute, you know, does like
Speaker 3: are these other pantheons, these newer pantheons? Are they just
Speaker 3: interpretations that these people made from looking at this last
Speaker 3: group of gods, right Like, So the farther you go back,
Speaker 3: you do see more and more similarities. And that's why
Speaker 3: I think looking at some of these ancient stories, some
Speaker 3: people want to discount them as just being myths or whatever.
Speaker 3: I Like I said, I try to look at them
Speaker 3: through a few different lenses. But uh, and then when
Speaker 3: you get into like the Canaanite pantheon and the Phoenician pantheon,
Speaker 3: you know, you see Yahweh being the war god brother
Speaker 3: of Ball, Like what's that about? He's a son of
Speaker 3: l Who's l oh shit?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 3: And so you know there's there's a lot going on there.
Speaker 3: And then you have certain interpretations like who was it
Speaker 3: Blevatski maybe who had the interpretation of Jonah and the Whale.
Speaker 3: I actually thought this was very interesting that he was
Speaker 3: captured by Phoenician sailors, because you know, they were a
Speaker 3: sea foreign country, probably the best in time, and they
Speaker 3: basically put him inside of a statue of Dagon for
Speaker 3: three days to keep them prisoner and then let them go.
Speaker 3: And you're like, wait a minute, what It kind of
Speaker 3: makes sense, right, And if he went and told this story,
Speaker 3: he's like, yeah, they kept me inside of this fish
Speaker 3: for three days. And but then you have the three
Speaker 3: days also being symbolic. Right, where was he going?
Speaker 1: Huh?
Speaker 6: Where was he going? Do you remember?
Speaker 3: I don't. I'd have to look I'd have to look
Speaker 3: at it again, man, Okay, okay, he was.
Speaker 4: Going to knit a And if you know anything about
Speaker 4: Iraq geography, nine of us nowhere.
Speaker 6: Near the ocean.
Speaker 4: Really, yeah, what is he doing going to Ninevah, which
Speaker 4: is in the northern part of Iraq again, nowhere near
Speaker 4: the ocean, and he's in a whale. This doesn't make
Speaker 4: a lot of sense. But then you realize that whole
Speaker 4: territory up and there was Canaanite Phoenicia.
Speaker 3: Exactly, dude, yeah, yeah, absolutely, And then but see then
Speaker 3: you get into that and you look at Dagon, right,
Speaker 3: but then you also look at Yam, who is another
Speaker 3: god of the ocean. So if you try to connect
Speaker 3: that with Inky, You're like, well, which one is? Inky?
Speaker 3: I've I've learned to just kind of chalk it up
Speaker 3: to one or the other. But I still think it's
Speaker 3: pretty fascinating, especially when you look at the story of
Speaker 3: Ball and not Yam and Mott and l and you
Speaker 3: see the same, uh, like the same thing going on
Speaker 3: in Sumeria. It's just like, okay, dude. That made it
Speaker 3: real fun for me with the Pantheon stuff, especially when
Speaker 3: you keep going. So when you keep going into Egypt
Speaker 3: and then you learn that most of Egypt was really
Speaker 3: just like children of Marduk and from what it says
Speaker 3: like some daughters of Semiaza or something like he was
Speaker 3: who was he? Well, I'm pretty positive he is the
Speaker 3: fallen Angel from the apocryphal text aza As it's Uza
Speaker 3: because you have that last of his name being Semiaza, right.
Speaker 4: But you're forgetting the Hiksos. So the Hiksos was that
Speaker 4: sort of go between between the Egyptians and the Canaanite
Speaker 4: Phoenicians up there. It's because the Hiksos invaded Egypt several times,
Speaker 4: so there's a lot of hit between those two cultures
Speaker 4: and a lot of overlap as well. So you've got
Speaker 4: a tribal influence as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, Yeah, and he's the one who passed on
Speaker 3: the heavenly arcana to Solomon. Yeah, and so I don't know,
Speaker 3: but you see that side of the pantheon in this
Speaker 3: side of the world at the time, and it makes sense.
Speaker 3: And so then you look to where these other people
Speaker 3: are and they're all stationed, they all have their own
Speaker 3: areas where they have kingship over and it is huh.
Speaker 4: All these city states all had their own deities that
Speaker 4: were for them. And this goes back. None of this
Speaker 4: religion stuff back then was about faith. None of it
Speaker 4: was about faith. So if you had a deity in
Speaker 4: your town, that was the town mascot, that was the
Speaker 4: town everything, right. So the cities for Marduk were Marduk
Speaker 4: in cities, right, So it flavored everything, and their oracles
Speaker 4: were all based around that and all the rest of
Speaker 4: that stuff. So in a lot of ways, we did
Speaker 4: kind of start out as hennatheists because as these tribes
Speaker 4: split from each other and created these different towns and stuff,
Speaker 4: that local town became their you know, one god above
Speaker 4: the other gods, right, So it was never like unless
Speaker 4: you get in the Greece region where they went back
Speaker 4: to like more pure polytheism, where every every god was
Speaker 4: you know, pretty much the equal on this you know,
Speaker 4: Olympian pantheon. But over there they were all hennatheists. So
Speaker 4: you know, they would have basically raids trying to steal
Speaker 4: each other's gods, you know, And that's that plays a
Speaker 4: huge part, because once you've stolen their god, how can
Speaker 4: they claim that it's more powerful than yours? And you know,
Speaker 4: I mean, look the winners, we stole your god.
Speaker 3: Well rebranded as our god, right given this name and
Speaker 3: these a tributes. Yeah, and even in Greece, man, when
Speaker 3: when you look at the Olympians and the Titans, it's
Speaker 3: like two higherarchies of angels, like you have these first
Speaker 3: uh kind of elder angels that came down thousands of
Speaker 3: years before they even allowed these lesser angels to come down.
Speaker 3: And then of course they fell, and that was Marduk
Speaker 3: samyaza Utu Shamash, this younger generation of the Ananaki, who
Speaker 3: I think are worshiped today in many different groups. And
Speaker 3: comb shut up, you got kids and dogs and everybody
Speaker 3: making noise. Nobody wants me to podcast.
Speaker 2: I was, I was thinking about uh, one of the
Speaker 2: attributes of Set from Egypt being related to the war
Speaker 2: god you guys were describing.
Speaker 5: He hit.
Speaker 2: One of his symbols that he's related to is the plow,
Speaker 2: and he is the god of chaos and he's so
Speaker 2: he'll come in and plow the field, which is totally chaotic,
Speaker 2: but for a refined reason. And part of my obsession
Speaker 2: with four is I find many pantheons and many theological
Speaker 2: origination stories have a set of four that is distinct
Speaker 2: in the presentation. And in Egypt, I find there's Horus
Speaker 2: and Isis, And I was going to say there that
Speaker 2: sometimes the feminine being the sister and mother even and
Speaker 2: wife or consort is just kind of this combination of
Speaker 2: all feminine attributes the one type of thing, so that
Speaker 2: maybe the divine feminine symbolism there. But there's Horus and
Speaker 2: Isis and then there's Osiris and Set. So it's just
Speaker 2: interesting that there's this set of four or four base
Speaker 2: and a lot of the religious and theological systems.
Speaker 3: Dude. Yeah, And when you get into Horace, because you
Speaker 3: look at the symbolism of like the left and the
Speaker 3: right eye right, you have your eye of raw, your
Speaker 3: eye of Horace rab being equivalent. In my opinion, Timar Duke,
Speaker 3: the eye of Horace is your feminine right, and so
Speaker 3: it's kind of and my co host Adrian has a
Speaker 3: theory that the real father of Horace was actually both
Speaker 3: because isis did her name coming from Sumeria or coming
Speaker 3: from these like these, you know, all these nations before Egypt,
Speaker 3: these civilizations. Was Asta and she was the wife of
Speaker 3: Asar or Osiris, and like I said, Asar means scorcher,
Speaker 3: representing serious. And then you have Set and Nepetus. I
Speaker 3: think now in Sitchen's version, he talks about Nepetus and
Speaker 3: Asta being daughters of sham Gaze or Semiaza. I don't
Speaker 3: know where he got that, but I think it is
Speaker 3: kind of interesting because throughout the story you see him
Speaker 3: and Marduke kind of side by side, and like Semiaza's
Speaker 3: this voice in Marduke's ear like, yeah, you should marry
Speaker 3: this woman from Earth. I'll bring the rest of the
Speaker 3: angels down and we can all take wives for ourselves. Now.
Speaker 3: I don't know if they were actually pro creating with
Speaker 3: them or if it was just another form of DNA manipulation,
Speaker 3: you know, this genetic tinkering, that I was talking about.
Speaker 3: But in the biblical text, you see that it says
Speaker 3: they mate it with the beast of the land, birds
Speaker 3: in the air, creatures of the sea, and all creeping things.
Speaker 3: Now I don't know what a creeping thing is, but
Speaker 3: I have a pretty good guest of what it is, right.
Speaker 3: Is it some kind of like cryptid, ancient cryptid being
Speaker 3: that was all that was here already, or was it
Speaker 3: maybe another hybrid being that these guys created. I'm thinking
Speaker 3: the latter, to be honest with you, because in these
Speaker 3: experiments it does talk about them creating a lot of
Speaker 3: these bigfoot esque creatures sasquatch. You know, well you kind
Speaker 3: of look like sasquatch. I'd say some depictions that.
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, you can't count out the dog Man and a
Speaker 4: New bist as being one of the strongest connections. And
Speaker 4: we've also got the Sinocephali. They were reported on by
Speaker 4: the Romans, and so you've got a lot of stuff
Speaker 4: having to do with cryptids going.
Speaker 3: Christopher was depicted with the doghead, right, Yeah, that's wild too,
Speaker 3: man like h Then when you like, when you dig
Speaker 3: further into that and you get into interdimensional dog man
Speaker 3: and interdimensional Bigfoot, U know. You like, well, where do
Speaker 3: they get these abilities to do this? To have telepathy powers?
Speaker 3: You know a lot of people say when they encounter
Speaker 3: one of these creatures that they don't talk, you know,
Speaker 3: they communicate with them with their their mind. And so
Speaker 3: I think they may have some of this fallen DNA
Speaker 3: kind of gene makeup in them. Now that's just a
Speaker 3: theory of mine. You know. The dog symbolism goes real
Speaker 3: deep because it's like the inversion of man, right, because
Speaker 3: it's I mean, it's God backwards, you know, and so
Speaker 3: it's like and then when you look into more animal symbolism,
Speaker 3: I did like ten episodes on this, I kind of
Speaker 3: go on it a bunch, but I had.
Speaker 4: An idea that you're probably like, So if you look
Speaker 4: at how central this dog Star symbolism is and all
Speaker 4: the stuff the Dog Star series is always central to it. Well,
Speaker 4: if you think about it, when you spell God backwards,
Speaker 4: you get dog. And the closest thing to a God
Speaker 4: that we can experience is ourselves in the eyes of
Speaker 4: a dog. Right, They're looking at us like a god.
Speaker 4: And maybe that's where that symbol comes in, is because
Speaker 4: they want to be like the trainers for the rest
Speaker 4: of these things that will look at them like a god.
Speaker 4: So all of this serious symbolism really has a lot
Speaker 4: to do with their own perception of themselves as being
Speaker 4: sort of like the trainers of man, like we're the
Speaker 4: ones who gave you the ability to sit and roll
Speaker 4: over for us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And even by the Great Pyramids in Egypt, they
Speaker 3: are these dogs that have all hung out around there
Speaker 3: for thousands of years that are still roaming around there.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you would like kind of relate
Speaker 3: them to dingoes maybe, I don't know, but apparently they're
Speaker 3: pretty cool. But when you get into ant to the
Speaker 3: animal symbolism, a lot of it is just like our
Speaker 3: lower nature, right, like the animalistic nature of man. And
Speaker 3: before I learned about all this, I have a lot
Speaker 3: of animal heads tattooed all over my body, and it
Speaker 3: kind of makes sense now to me, like, oh, like,
Speaker 3: am I is it like a representation of like my
Speaker 3: you know, my lower nature being that of the body, right,
Speaker 3: the carnal nature of man? I think so. So they're there,
Speaker 3: and then the bird being more of like you know,
Speaker 3: soaring towards the heavens, being kind of a part of
Speaker 3: our higher self in some way, right, And so yeah, man,
Speaker 3: that that stuff. That's some stuff that I'm still learning about.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 3: That's probably one of my favorite things that I've been
Speaker 3: getting into is well, these these little books that I read,
Speaker 3: they're little manly Palmer Hall books. They're like a treatise,
Speaker 3: you know, like it's just a small collection of a
Speaker 3: much larger book. I'm sure you can find a lot
Speaker 3: of it in the Secret Teachings. But uh, one of
Speaker 3: these that I've read lately, dude, is this one. I
Speaker 3: don't know if you've guys have gotten into this one yet,
Speaker 3: basically natural occultism and man, yeah, no, it's uh, it's
Speaker 3: it's fascinating, fascinating, dude. What's up?
Speaker 1: I gotefully on internet archives?
Speaker 3: Yeah no, no, definitely, Uh, what's up?
Speaker 6: Go ahead of this?
Speaker 4: This book right here, it's called The Golden Ass right,
Speaker 4: and this one was written second century a d. So
Speaker 4: this is written in Latin. It was a novel for
Speaker 4: the Romans, for Roman consumption. And it has to do
Speaker 4: with the first vampires, It has to do with the
Speaker 4: world's first donkey show, it has to do with us
Speaker 4: with transformation magic to that stuff back then, and it
Speaker 4: ends with the main character being transformed back into a
Speaker 4: man for being a donkey, and he goes and worships
Speaker 4: Isis right, and eventually, while worshiping Isis, he becomes the
Speaker 4: husband of Isis and he goes through the Osiris initiation,
Speaker 4: which they say took place.
Speaker 6: In Rome his right.
Speaker 4: So his journey ended as a as a donkey in
Speaker 4: I believe it was either Thessaly that's where he started,
Speaker 4: either Thessaly or in Egypt. But basically he's saved from
Speaker 4: being a donkey by this Isis character who told her
Speaker 4: priests to bring roses for him to eat, and so
Speaker 4: when he eats the roses, that's when he transforms back
Speaker 4: into a man. So you've got a lot of symbolism
Speaker 4: about rose, Christianism and all that stuff in that book,
Speaker 4: and it's like, wow, this has this is like the Codex.
Speaker 3: Yeah, isn't it? Sorry? Sorry Ethan, Sorry no, I was.
Speaker 2: Just gonna say real quick, isn't it interesting that the
Speaker 2: donkey kind of is a metaphorical representative of like the
Speaker 2: failed horse, the jack right, it's not quite it's not
Speaker 2: quite as good as the real deal, like don Quixote,
Speaker 2: don Quixotic, but headless isn't there a god that and
Speaker 2: I think I believe it's Gnostic or Christian that has
Speaker 2: the that's the donkey headed God.
Speaker 4: I'm looking it up right now, you're gonna do this
Speaker 4: to be okay, I'm.
Speaker 3: Looking that up. So Set is depicted, Okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: Set is depicted with a donkey head. The donkey headed
Speaker 3: God may also refer to Brahma, a Hindu god with
Speaker 3: the fifth head and shape of a donkey. Okay.
Speaker 4: What a lot of people don't realize about first and
Speaker 4: second century a D is there are a lot of
Speaker 4: Hindu missionaries and Buddhist missionaries in that part of the world,
Speaker 4: in Mesopotamia, So.
Speaker 6: That's what they were talking about.
Speaker 4: But at the same time too, the golden ass is
Speaker 4: also a representation of Christianity and sort of this salvation
Speaker 4: motif because during that time Christianity was really big and
Speaker 4: they called Christians annolotors. The very first depiction of a
Speaker 4: Christian in Rome was a guy worshiping a donkey headed
Speaker 4: man on a cross.
Speaker 3: Christ wrote in on a donkey, right.
Speaker 4: Donkey, Because what they were saying is that all of
Speaker 4: these Jews, who are the inversion of the rest of
Speaker 4: these Polytheists were worshiping set because Moses wrote on the
Speaker 4: donkey too, and so they called Christians and knowalotors because
Speaker 4: they would say yoo yoo' that's the way they praised
Speaker 4: God back then, which sounded like to them the sound
Speaker 4: of a donkey. So you had Gnostics who said that,
Speaker 4: you had Romans, you had Greeks who are calling them
Speaker 4: monolators and worshiping this donkey. And what really gives it away, though,
Speaker 4: is this. It's a Diodorus who is writing about the
Speaker 4: reign of His name is Antiochus, and thee fanis so
Speaker 4: Antiochus is trying to capture Alexandria, and so he runs
Speaker 4: up against the Romans, who are like, you're not going
Speaker 4: to take Alexandria.
Speaker 6: You can cut that out.
Speaker 4: He was a Salucidian, and so he's he's he's there
Speaker 4: fighting against the Romans. The Romans say, you've conquered the
Speaker 4: rest of Egypt. You can't go any farther, and so
Speaker 4: he has to go back to Israel. And what he
Speaker 4: finds in Israel is that they've got this guy, this
Speaker 4: Greek dude, that they're going to sacrifice at the Temple
Speaker 4: of Solomon. And so he gets really pissed off and
Speaker 4: decides to go on a pig's blood part. He slits
Speaker 4: open a pig and he just starts spraying it all
Speaker 4: over the temple because obviously they hate the fucking pig,
Speaker 4: and he sprayed pig's blood everywhere and forcing the Jewish
Speaker 4: authorities to drink boiled down pigs blood because he says,
Speaker 4: you're not going to get away with sacrificing Greeks anymore
Speaker 4: because he was a Greek guy and he was kind
Speaker 4: of the owner of the region. And they call this
Speaker 4: in the Bible the abomination desolation, which happens in the
Speaker 4: time of Epifanes and not in the time of Daniel
Speaker 4: when they attribute it to the Samarians, who were not Samarians,
Speaker 4: but the Babylonians who were conquering back then. So they
Speaker 4: take a recent event and they backdate it in the
Speaker 4: Book of Daniel to the time of these Babylonians that
Speaker 4: are basically rampaging and starting the first what do they
Speaker 4: call it, the First where they separate and there no
Speaker 4: longer the same nation anyways. But that's what the whole
Speaker 4: Bible essentially does, is they backdate all of their prophecies
Speaker 4: based off of what's happening around them at the time.
Speaker 4: And really, when you read the Book of Maccabee's compare
Speaker 4: it to the history by Diodorus, the whole thing kind
Speaker 4: of unravels.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you find that a lot with some of these
Speaker 3: biblical texts. So I saw this. You're right about gnosticism
Speaker 3: having to do it. The donkey. The donkey headed god
Speaker 3: may also refer to y'all deboa I figure that developed
Speaker 3: from the idea of Seth. But as well as you said,
Speaker 3: uh io or what was it?
Speaker 6: Yeaho, that's other Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: McDonald had a farm ei eao right, surrounded Okay, so
Speaker 3: a donkey headed deity yao, surrounded by the names excuse me, Uriel, Surreal, Gabriel,
Speaker 3: and Michael. The donkey, despite its usefulness, was often seen
Speaker 3: as a symbol of stubbornness and stupidity in various cultures,
Speaker 3: making the donkey imagery a powerful tool for religious and
Speaker 3: cultural slander. So yeah, I mean that's where you know,
Speaker 3: you got the word jackass. That's where we get the
Speaker 3: word ass from.
Speaker 4: Right, there was a big golden donkey head inside of
Speaker 4: the temple, inside of Solomon's temple, and so what are
Speaker 4: they doing worshiping a giant donk head. In the Book
Speaker 4: of Maccabees, they say they stole our inner treasures, but
Speaker 4: they don't say what they are. You got to go
Speaker 4: over to Diodorus to find out what the inner temple
Speaker 4: treasures were, and he says it was a giant statue
Speaker 4: of Moses riding and donkey and a big golden donkey
Speaker 4: head that went on the front of the temple.
Speaker 6: And so they don't mention it in.
Speaker 4: Maccabees, but later on they lose all of this sort
Speaker 4: of donkey worship and they're like, no, forget about that stuff.
Speaker 4: Just like from Elohem to Yahweh, it's like, no, get
Speaker 4: we had that Aloheim title before and we were talking
Speaker 4: about polytheism, but now we're going over to Yahoo or
Speaker 4: Yahweh as our one symbol of faith. And so they
Speaker 4: have these rewrites occasionally where it's just like what's happening here?
Speaker 4: You know, you find in the Bible and it's like,
Speaker 4: where's that coming from? But you got to learn the
Speaker 4: native culture and the stuff that was surrounding them to
Speaker 4: really get a good idea of what they were talking about.
Speaker 2: Someone in the chat mentioned how they found it interesting
Speaker 2: that the donkey is a hybrid and that kind of
Speaker 2: made me think when you mentioned too how Jesus wrote
Speaker 2: into Jerusalem on a donkey, he also was a hybridization
Speaker 2: right of Roman Greek and excuse me, Jewish ideas right
Speaker 2: even in his name, right, you have the Joshua and
Speaker 2: the Christos. So interesting kind of to the idea too
Speaker 2: of how syncretic or adoptive or conquering of other ideas
Speaker 2: and gods that they were at that time.
Speaker 4: That was a big problem when it came to Antiochus
Speaker 4: is because they had the Hellenized Jews who wanted to
Speaker 4: go along with Antiochus Epiphanes, and then you had the
Speaker 4: other ones who were saying, no, we can't do this.
Speaker 4: We need to rebel, we need to we need to
Speaker 4: fight back. And so the Hellenized Jews were looked at
Speaker 4: as like outcasts within Jewish society, and those Hellenized Jews
Speaker 4: went on to become other sects like the Ascenes so
Speaker 4: and the Asilians were where you see Jesus emerging from.
Speaker 4: And you know, you kind of get this idea that
Speaker 4: there is a big conflict going on within Judaism and
Speaker 4: what do we find, Well, this this secon Judaism that
Speaker 4: are related to these Hellenized Jews are saying, look, we
Speaker 4: need to go into all the world and preach the Gospel.
Speaker 4: Well that's kind of strange because the whole idea of
Speaker 4: Judaism is being set apart from the rest of the world.
Speaker 4: You can't really go out there and minute shirted that.
Speaker 4: So you get this big split happening, and that's when
Speaker 4: you see Christianity start to emerge everywhere.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, man, no, that that stuff is uh, stuff
Speaker 3: is fascinating to me, dude.
Speaker 1: One thing I did want to add before we get in.
Speaker 1: I wanted to bring it up before and then we
Speaker 1: kind of got off of it and we kind of
Speaker 1: touched on it again here. Uh. And not to get
Speaker 1: too off again with like eyeball stuff, but something I
Speaker 1: do wonder about when it comes to a cult symbolism,
Speaker 1: especially with animals. Even when we did oh God, I
Speaker 1: forgot what a spider and scorpion symbolism or whatever it was.
Speaker 1: I think whatever, even with the scorpion headless brought it
Speaker 1: up with the scorpion, I do think, especially birds, but
Speaker 1: there is a lot of animals, you know, bees being
Speaker 1: one of them, reindeer, being another one for Christmas. If
Speaker 1: you start looking at like a lot of animals that
Speaker 1: are even used for cult symbolism, they all have different
Speaker 1: like their eyes they see different stuff we don't see,
Speaker 1: like a lot of them seeing uv and we don't.
Speaker 1: And I do actually wonder if that has anything to
Speaker 1: do with it, or there's like certain actual differences between
Speaker 1: the animals and the humans, you know, I actually do
Speaker 1: wonder if that's part of it. Like the reason I
Speaker 1: was even bringing up the scorpion before is that when
Speaker 1: we were talking about that, Headless had said something that
Speaker 1: he thought like there was an eyebel on the tail,
Speaker 1: and then like people started googling it that was on
Speaker 1: the show, and they were like, the whole fucking shells
Speaker 1: are right now, Like that's fucking a lot, dude, you know,
Speaker 1: and that things use as symbolism, and again something different
Speaker 1: about it. You know, it goes back to the eyeball,
Speaker 1: you know, again, a cult, the reward would be ocular,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the hidden I mean yeah, And what
Speaker 3: you said Headless about the scenes, that's a whole nother
Speaker 3: that's a different discussion right there.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: That stuff is one of the most fascinating topics to me,
Speaker 3: and you see the same thing with the Nos and
Speaker 3: the cat Ours and all these other earlier sects of Christianity. Man,
Speaker 3: it's it's really fascinating stuff. And some of this this
Speaker 3: wisdom is like, you know, why some of this stuff
Speaker 3: kept from us, you know, as it being gate gate
Speaker 3: kept or gate kept. Yeah, I don't know how you
Speaker 3: would say that gate kept. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 4: The Roman censors have a lot to do with this stuff.
Speaker 4: So the Roman censor was an official position in the
Speaker 4: Roman temple, and the head Roman censor, which was Julius
Speaker 4: Caesar for a while, was called Pontifex maximus. And the
Speaker 4: job of the Roman censor was to go around making
Speaker 4: sure that all of the citizens were breeding. That was
Speaker 4: his main job, because you always had to have a
Speaker 4: flow of new people coming in, and so his other
Speaker 4: job was to get rid of foreign influences that would
Speaker 4: change the nature of Rome. And so you know, a
Speaker 4: lot lot of times they had their own pantheon, and
Speaker 4: basically anybody that wanted to bring their stuff there they
Speaker 4: could do that, but they wouldn't be officially recognized, and
Speaker 4: the official recognition had to be maintained. And the Roman
Speaker 4: censor was the guy who would do that well in.
Speaker 6: A lot of ways.
Speaker 4: When they made the switch over to Christianity, the Roman
Speaker 4: Censor became the most powerful position in Rome because Ponteve's
Speaker 4: Maximus didn't change from being a Pagan position to being
Speaker 4: a Christian position. Now that's what they just call the pope.
Speaker 4: So the Roman Censor basically said, this is the way
Speaker 4: it has to be, and this is the way it
Speaker 4: has to be written, and everybody would do it that
Speaker 4: way because he was the one in charge of the
Speaker 4: cultural influences.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, and you know, whoever wins the battles or
Speaker 3: you know, to the victors go the spoils, right like
Speaker 3: history is written by the people who you know win
Speaker 3: and uh yeah, it's it's just funny to me. Like
Speaker 3: you see, you know, King James was a freemason. Martin
Speaker 3: Luther was a Rosicrucian. You can see it in his
Speaker 3: uh in his seal, there's a giant rose on the
Speaker 3: front of it. Right.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: Charles Ty's Russell, who started the Jehovah's Witnesses, was a
Speaker 3: devout Satanist.
Speaker 1: He got this the morning guy. Uh you know, look
Speaker 1: at him, like I.
Speaker 3: Was saying, contacted an angel named Maroni. Marony sounds a
Speaker 3: lot like merrow Dacs, like mar Duke sounds like wow, Rob, Yeah,
Speaker 3: golden tablets. He was he was tapping into something ethereal right.
Speaker 3: And that goes to say, like all these titles because ball,
Speaker 3: like everyone's like I was saying about Satan, everyone's so
Speaker 3: scared of like a Satan. But it's like, well, there's
Speaker 3: many different Satans. Uh, same with ball. Ball means Lord,
Speaker 3: you have balls of fon balls, a bull Balhaman. And
Speaker 3: I think the same maybe could be with Yahweh. Like
Speaker 3: I'm not saying, you know, I don't know. If I
Speaker 3: don't know the name of God, right, I'm going to
Speaker 3: question a lot of what's told to me, And so
Speaker 3: I don't know if the does the creator have a name?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 3: Is Yahweh a title that was stolen by one of
Speaker 3: these entities to give to one of their sons, right, Uh,
Speaker 3: There's a lot of ways to look at it, because
Speaker 3: I'm not telling anyone that their spirituality is wrong, you know,
Speaker 3: like I said earlier, everyone has their own interpretation. I
Speaker 3: hope they have their own personal relationship with the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 3: If they do, I know I do, so, Yeah, man,
Speaker 3: I do think a lot of this knowledge is kept
Speaker 3: from us for a reason, and we're kind of given this,
Speaker 3: uh you know, this bland version of a lot of
Speaker 3: this stuff that if you dig deeper into you can
Speaker 3: find so much more in these stories and the symbolism
Speaker 3: and almost everything and so uh yeah, man, like, what do.
Speaker 4: You know about bal Hamone, because there's there's so much
Speaker 4: to go into and that influence in that whole region.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know much. I did an episode months
Speaker 3: ago on just the you know, the title of Ball
Speaker 3: meaning lord coming from Bell Bellew and you know how
Speaker 3: they're these different but then you have Ball right, like
Speaker 3: you get into it, like the lord being in the
Speaker 3: what do we say, the Canaanite pantheon, being a son
Speaker 3: of l and so Balhamon I want to say, couldn't
Speaker 3: it have just been a king? Well just the lord
Speaker 3: of this region? Was Haman a region?
Speaker 4: Well what what what they used it as was the
Speaker 4: king or the the main deity of Carthage. Okay, Carthage
Speaker 4: was a outpost of the Canaanite Phoenicians, and so you
Speaker 4: see the war between the Carthaginians and the uh, you know,
Speaker 4: the Romans during the Punic wars, and that's when Hannibal,
Speaker 4: you know, marches into Rome on the on the back
Speaker 4: of an elephant. That all comes from the Balhomone worship
Speaker 4: down in Africa. So their their two main outposts were
Speaker 4: in Africa and in Spain, and so they they took
Speaker 4: a lot of the wheat from Spain. But at the
Speaker 4: same time, their empire was one of slaves, so they
Speaker 4: had entire armies equipped as slaves, you know, kind of
Speaker 4: like the way they depict Persia in three hundred. You know,
Speaker 4: it was that kind of the slave army. Well, that
Speaker 4: that whole slave idea with Balhomone, it's him and his cohort.
Speaker 4: What's her name, I forget, but she's got this triangle glyph, right,
Speaker 4: and it's a very very distinctive thing. And they had
Speaker 4: what they call taphits, and at the tafits they would.
Speaker 3: That's her name, that gods of Carthage.
Speaker 4: Right, so at TANet will demand these child sacrifices, and
Speaker 4: this way, this is where you get a lot of
Speaker 4: the Moloch worship is burning the children in these tufts.
Speaker 4: And that was one of the reasons why Rome kept saying,
Speaker 4: we need to go back to Carthage and completely destroy
Speaker 4: them because all they do is sacrifice their babies. It's
Speaker 4: really interesting because they come from that Canaanite Phoenician region
Speaker 4: and there's a big crossover between them, and you know,
Speaker 4: I mean, why do we say Amen at the end
Speaker 4: of our prayers.
Speaker 6: It's like this.
Speaker 4: Homone amone amonray. All the rest of this stuff comes
Speaker 4: through that Egyptian influence.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think when you know that now, I
Speaker 3: do think with prayer it is about intention, you know.
Speaker 3: So I think there's something that I've actually talked about
Speaker 3: that a bunch we did. Talked about that on the
Speaker 3: first Marduke episode that we did on eloheim Etomology we've done.
Speaker 3: We did an episode on a New and then one
Speaker 3: on in lil Is kind of short. We're going to
Speaker 3: jump back into that. We're going to go into Ishkur
Speaker 3: as well, who I think translates to be Zeus, and
Speaker 3: then we did four episodes on Inky, three on Marduke
Speaker 3: and two on Ningazi to Thoth. We're going to do
Speaker 3: a part three of him in meso America and apparently
Speaker 3: he was in other places too, or like I don't know,
Speaker 3: I sometimes it maybe could be interpreted as like a
Speaker 3: son or maybe even a student of him. Right, But yeah, man,
Speaker 3: this Uh, let's see, I was gonna there was something
Speaker 3: I was going to tell you about ten It, but uh,
Speaker 3: I think I lost my place. I do that a lot.
Speaker 6: I saw.
Speaker 4: Man, go ahead, Well, Tenate is still in the Catholic Church.
Speaker 4: They there's a great picture of the Pope and Zelensky
Speaker 4: with little Tannate in the background.
Speaker 6: It's like, I know what they're doing.
Speaker 3: I've seen that picture.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: Well, that's also you know, tant worship has kind of survived,
Speaker 4: and you can see this with the the mother of
Speaker 4: that CNN host I forget her name, but she was
Speaker 4: a part of these families, you know, the one with
Speaker 4: the gray hair.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: He's always on CNN talking about the presidential stuff. Now,
Speaker 4: not Wolf Blitzer, the other guy. It's like straight white hair.
Speaker 4: But he comes from one of these uh Cooper Cooper, Yeah,
Speaker 4: Anderson Cooper. He comes from one of these old old families.
Speaker 4: And his mother was seeing, you know, in a picture
Speaker 4: of them on the bed with a big Tannate sculpture
Speaker 4: in the background. So there's this Tannet idea that.
Speaker 3: I know what picture you're talking about, Dude, is Is
Speaker 3: that the one with the thing on the wall and
Speaker 3: the guys getting like decapitated in the top of Yeah, dude,
Speaker 3: that's wow, that's Tannate.
Speaker 6: That's Tannate. Ship bro.
Speaker 3: So years ago. Man, that that that picture for creep
Speaker 3: me the funk out.
Speaker 6: That's Tanate.
Speaker 4: If you go back and look at it and look
Speaker 4: at the seal of Tannate everywhere, that's the same triangular
Speaker 4: goddess character and they're still doing sacrifices.
Speaker 3: I'm seeing that built.
Speaker 2: Ye, yes, yeah, extremely wealthy, extremely crazy too.
Speaker 3: This is the triangle that you're talking about right here, gotcha,
Speaker 3: which it's uh, you know, it's a feminine so I
Speaker 3: you know, some people would argue and say that it
Speaker 3: could be male because of you know, the the triangle
Speaker 3: facing up right.
Speaker 2: Because it's also reminiscent of the honk.
Speaker 3: Yes, I was just about to say that, Yeah, very
Speaker 3: reminiscent of the honk, dude, which is like the first
Speaker 3: representation of the cross, right. Yeah, I thought that was cool.
Speaker 2: And you see the oncast four parts. Of course all
Speaker 2: crosses do, but that one does have an interesting four
Speaker 2: parts of the triangle and the circle and the horizontal lines.
Speaker 6: Well that symbol.
Speaker 4: That's the one that they used to mark the topics
Speaker 4: the areas for child sacrifice. So anytime you saw that symbol,
Speaker 4: it was pretty good bad that they had some sort
Speaker 4: of child sacrificial burning there.
Speaker 2: So were they sacrificing their own children or other children
Speaker 2: or were they actually were they actually was it sick children?
Speaker 2: Because I've seen just I don't I ask out of
Speaker 2: just I'm left the wonder after the things I've seen.
Speaker 4: So originally they had to sacrifice their firstborn baby boy. Right,
Speaker 4: This goes back into the Bible and.
Speaker 6: Abraham his eyes right, and they did.
Speaker 4: That's what they were doing back then, and that was
Speaker 4: that was the sacrifice the balhamone through Tannate and that
Speaker 4: was there that that was their big burning ritual, that's
Speaker 4: passing the kids through the flame. Well, they decided these
Speaker 4: wealthier families were going to start paying poor people to
Speaker 4: take their sons and then throw them in the fire.
Speaker 4: So they were paying the poor people, and that's why
Speaker 4: they had all these symbols and loud sounding instruments around
Speaker 4: the sacrifice, so you couldn't hear the wailing of the
Speaker 4: poor people who sacrificed their son.
Speaker 6: To be able to eat.
Speaker 4: So that's what you know, that's what their culture consisted of.
Speaker 6: This is pretty sick.
Speaker 4: And so instead of sacrificing their own sons, they started
Speaker 4: a practice called circumcision, and so they would just take
Speaker 4: the baby boy's blood at eight days old and put
Speaker 4: that into the fire. And so the only other culture
Speaker 4: back then that was circumcising babies was the Canaanite Phoenicians
Speaker 4: for that very reason. So when you understand that, it
Speaker 4: kind of puts a different perspective on this whole thing.
Speaker 4: Is because they were the only other ones doing the
Speaker 4: circumcision and why were they doing it so they didn't
Speaker 4: have to sacrifice their firstborn sons?
Speaker 6: They could buy one off the street.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean, you know, there's people that say
Speaker 3: that they can connect Molock to Milkom and a few
Speaker 3: other deities, But I've heard a theory of Moloch being
Speaker 3: a place where they would go to sacrifice. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Are you all familiar with the guy Esoteric Eddy. He's
Speaker 3: the homie love Eddie. Yeah? Yeah, he he has a
Speaker 3: video where he basically questions like, was Molock a place right? Like,
Speaker 3: because you don't really see that name too much, Like
Speaker 3: I don't know. I haven't really been able to connect
Speaker 3: Molock to many other deities. I mean, I'm sure there's
Speaker 3: some you could connect to the same attributes because even
Speaker 3: at one time, like you can look at Bell, he
Speaker 3: he was the storm god, right, and that comes I mean,
Speaker 3: that comes from the based into de mar Duke. He
Speaker 3: was depicted as a golden calf at one point. He
Speaker 3: was That's what I mean, that's what Amarutu means, Utu
Speaker 3: being solar. You have Utu Shamash, the sun god Helios. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the golden calf. He was depicted as a ram. I'm
Speaker 3: pretty sure he was depicted as a dragon at one point.
Speaker 3: Like there's there's many interpretations, so I think that a
Speaker 3: lot of that is symbolic. But uh, this conversation, man,
Speaker 3: I should come on here more, you guys. My voice
Speaker 3: is cracked on, but well you know, yeah, no, man, no,
Speaker 3: this is fucking awesome. Man, this is awesome. I love this.
Speaker 3: And even like I figured, you know, questioning some things
Speaker 3: that can make you uncomfortable, I find it healthy sometimes,
Speaker 3: you know, especially when you have like some skepticism about things,
Speaker 3: and I think if you know, it can build your
Speaker 3: spiritual relationship even stronger, you know, So I think it's good.
Speaker 3: It's good to have these conversations guys. Yeah, Sea Rocks
Speaker 3: is right.
Speaker 1: Is there anything any you guys want to just specifically
Speaker 1: get into Still I.
Speaker 2: Wanted to ask, Actually, you know, I'm kind I'm a
Speaker 2: little bit obsessed with numerology, and sometimes I speculated that
Speaker 2: when there are these large numbers that the ancients were
Speaker 2: putting forth, that they weren't just arbitrary like a lot,
Speaker 2: which is what a lot of people kind of say
Speaker 2: that they are. And there there is the Sumerian Kings list,
Speaker 2: which has many of these numbers that I find are
Speaker 2: like many of the systems that we've been talking about
Speaker 2: putting forth an exoteric idea and also esoteric ideas, and
Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with for and also one hundred and eight
Speaker 2: and for People's fund. There are many different ways you
Speaker 2: can look at those numbers, but if you divide them
Speaker 2: by one hundred and eight, you actually get some interesting quantities,
Speaker 2: one being let's see if I can find it. There's
Speaker 2: the forty three thousand, two hundred is one of the
Speaker 2: sets of time that is said to be one of
Speaker 2: the kings, and divided by that divided by one O eight.
Speaker 5: That's four hundred.
Speaker 2: There there was a few different interesting ideas in that,
Speaker 2: but that was again my own obsession and a weirdness
Speaker 2: using one O eight and to interpret them. But I'm
Speaker 2: wondering what you think about those numbers?
Speaker 3: Where does one O A come? Now this is weird.
Speaker 3: There's a hardcore band. I grew up playing hardcore and
Speaker 3: there's a hardcore band called one OA I think from
Speaker 3: Boston or New York and they're Harry Krishna.
Speaker 2: So yeah, there there is one hundred and eight Jappamala
Speaker 2: beads on the on the Hindu meditation prayer beads, and
Speaker 2: seventy two, which is the septugen, is two thirds of
Speaker 2: one hundred and eight.
Speaker 5: I found that to be interesting.
Speaker 2: In thirty six is a third, but it comes from
Speaker 2: India and it is where most likely it comes from.
Speaker 2: And you know one hundred and eight gods one hundred
Speaker 2: and eight names for Hindu gods rather.
Speaker 5: Promise is one of them.
Speaker 2: And there's I mean, there's a lot of different ways
Speaker 2: to use it actually mathematically and metaphysically. So I was
Speaker 2: looking at those numbers and just kind of used the
Speaker 2: one O eight to divide among them, and it has
Speaker 2: some interesting summations. But I but I feel like there's
Speaker 2: certainly more and I'm coming at it pretty ignorant just
Speaker 2: using the one O eight as a potential, but I
Speaker 2: feel like there is some kind of esoteric symbolism in
Speaker 2: these numbers.
Speaker 3: Their problem definitely is up. Sorry headless on.
Speaker 4: Well, I was going to say that when you take
Speaker 4: three seven and twelve three seven, four and twelve, right,
Speaker 4: you get when you multiply them, you get one thousand
Speaker 4: and eight and one thousand and eight. If you put
Speaker 4: a point after the one one's eer zero eight you
Speaker 4: have the atomic weight of hydrogen. So it's like three, four, seven,
Speaker 4: and twelve become these numbers of manifesting and it's like
Speaker 4: all of these numbers basically translate into the stuff we see.
Speaker 4: So in ancient times, math was more of a religion
Speaker 4: than it was a science, you know. So having that
Speaker 4: perspective and seeing all of these gods and all of
Speaker 4: their numbers and all of the things they do in
Speaker 4: terms of number, gives you a more esoteric perception on
Speaker 4: what they're doing because a lot of this stuff has
Speaker 4: to do with the sacredness of number, because number comes
Speaker 4: out of the imagination, you know. I mean that's that's
Speaker 4: something that a lot of people don't realize, is that
Speaker 4: this is a concept that is directly connected to consciousness.
Speaker 4: So number and consciousness number and.
Speaker 6: You know matter.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's too big of a stretch, like
Speaker 4: these things are connected through consciousness, right.
Speaker 3: And then when you look at the anonachy, you see
Speaker 3: that they all have these ranks as well. They're all
Speaker 3: ranked by a certain number, usually starting to get fifty
Speaker 3: with whoever has rain at that time, which is basically
Speaker 3: decided by the heavens, you know, whatever lines up up
Speaker 3: there as above so below. But you mentioned seventy two,
Speaker 3: and that's interesting because you know, you have what the
Speaker 3: seventy two versions after, you know, in Islam, and then
Speaker 3: you have the seventy two keys of Solomon in the Goetia,
Speaker 3: you know. So it's yeah, I think I think y'all
Speaker 3: are spot on with the with the numbers. And that's
Speaker 3: something else you get into. Man I just mentioned Islam.
Speaker 3: That's another entity that we're going to be getting into
Speaker 3: is Nanarsin, another son of who I would call el
Speaker 3: brother of Nanerta and Ishker. This is who I believe
Speaker 3: to be Dionysus as well as Allah or this angel
Speaker 3: who went to Muhammad. And this my co host Adrian
Speaker 3: talks about, is who created the monetary system? Was this
Speaker 3: one god? He's also the father of Ishtar and Shamash
Speaker 3: and married to a daughter of Inki as well. This
Speaker 3: is the moon god, right, So like, why is the
Speaker 3: crescent moon this sigil for Islam? Why do they circle
Speaker 3: a giant black cube a Satturneian cube? And you know,
Speaker 3: further hodge and kiss a meteorite? Where did that metiorite
Speaker 3: come from?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: So something else. That's something that we're about to dive
Speaker 3: into on eloheimtomology. So it should be fun. I'll come
Speaker 3: back on talk about that with you guys if I
Speaker 3: find out anything else about it. But some similarities there
Speaker 3: I find very interesting. He tried to manifest as Gabriel.
Speaker 3: Some people might even say he may be Gabriel, but
Speaker 3: like you know, I leave that up to interpretation. But
Speaker 3: you know it, uh that that story of him coming
Speaker 3: to Mohammed and it somehow aligns with Nanarsin. Now when
Speaker 3: you look at the symbolism, it kind of confirms it.
Speaker 3: For me, to be honest with you, like you can
Speaker 3: read a lot of things through symbols. We know this
Speaker 3: about our everyday life and what was put in front
Speaker 3: of us on TV and an advertisement. And I've said
Speaker 3: this before a lot of people I think are worshiping
Speaker 3: all right, uh kids worshiping these these these entities, but
Speaker 3: they don't even know it right through through clothing that
Speaker 3: we wear and songs we listen to, you know, people
Speaker 3: that are idolized it. All this worship is rebranded, that's all.
Speaker 3: It is, just rebranded into modern day in my opinion.
Speaker 4: Well, the perfect example I think would be Addison Kaiberli, Right,
Speaker 4: And so with Addison Kayberli, you've got the castrated u
Speaker 4: god figure, sort of a Dionician character who cuts us
Speaker 4: junk off and creates the first pine tree. Right, Addison
Speaker 4: Kaiberie go back to sun worship in Rome and all
Speaker 4: the rest of this stuff, and they worshiped Kaybli by
Speaker 4: encircling a black meteorite and the black mediorite presented the
Speaker 4: first Mother Kaibali or Kubaba as she's called in other
Speaker 4: other different areas. And all that comes through Turkey, and
Speaker 4: so you know, Turkey again is sort of the influence,
Speaker 4: this sort of Eastern influence on Western culture and they
Speaker 4: bring all of that over during the Punic Wars as
Speaker 4: a way of destroying the the Carthaginians, because the Carthaginians
Speaker 4: had you know, like like we talked about earlier, they
Speaker 4: had that goddess right, well, this Kaibali figure is like
Speaker 4: a more northern version of that goddess. So they brought
Speaker 4: it into their city and they started using this in
Speaker 4: their rituals of having these golly as they called them,
Speaker 4: chop their their nuts off and throw that into people's houses.
Speaker 6: So they had all this ritual you.
Speaker 1: Know, following rights came from these the first trans people.
Speaker 4: Sort of like again, the Roman censors did not allow
Speaker 4: any Roman citizens to participate, so these were all slaves
Speaker 4: that were cutting their junk off to become these priests
Speaker 4: of attis priestessus actually because they would dress them up
Speaker 4: like women afterwards. But like the golly, we're really into
Speaker 4: this sort of trans and this gender bending, and what
Speaker 4: do we have going on today is a lot of
Speaker 4: the same stuff. And it goes back to this black
Speaker 4: stone that they believed was the house of this this
Speaker 4: goddess and they would parade it through the streets.
Speaker 3: Someone in the comment says peacock worship. There's something there
Speaker 3: with the peacock, also symbolic of the phoenix, right, but
Speaker 3: that goes into Malektause, the peacock angel from I can't
Speaker 3: talk zoiastrin or no, not zoroia astronism. Let me let
Speaker 3: me look into that real fast, guys. I apologize. If
Speaker 3: y'all can hear my daughter screaming bloody murder, she is
Speaker 3: not happy right now. So let's see when you get
Speaker 3: that the prefix of that word malek, right, you see
Speaker 3: that in the Bible as well. Let's see. Let me
Speaker 3: see if I can pull this up. Malect Taos malect
Speaker 3: Taus is the name of an angel in the Yazidi region.
Speaker 3: He is also known as the peacock angel. Malect Taos
Speaker 3: is the leader of the seven divine beings created by
Speaker 3: God and responsible for all that happens on earth. So
Speaker 3: this is one of these head deities. I just I
Speaker 3: thought that was interesting. Somebody said peacock worship. Yeah, there's
Speaker 3: a deity attached to that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: It's like a peacock being. But uh, that's something else,
Speaker 3: you know. You see these depictions of these beings with
Speaker 3: these bird heads and Uh, like I was saying earlier,
Speaker 3: I think that's all symbolic.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: Now, when you get into like the serpent stuff, that's
Speaker 3: where you can kind of veer into reptilian territory.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 3: I don't know, because that you can interpret that many
Speaker 3: ways too. I mean, the the seraphs or the serapheme
Speaker 3: were fiery serpents, right, that's what they you know, that's
Speaker 3: what they are described as. And so and that's something,
Speaker 3: like I said, some people may interpret that is like
Speaker 3: light bodies, spaceships, many things, the beings themselves. But I
Speaker 3: kind of chalk it up to symbolism. But yeah, I
Speaker 3: thought that was interesting. I'm trying to think, is it.
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 3: In the Bible, molec Amelek, right, and that what they
Speaker 3: refer to the Adamites as well.
Speaker 4: Amelek was a tribe that was sort of down near
Speaker 4: the Cyanai Peninsula as the the Jewish refugees leaving Egypt
Speaker 4: were coming through, and so they were like the first
Speaker 4: tribe that they encountered coming over into that land. And
Speaker 4: that's why you know, the Amalekites were considered so evil
Speaker 4: as they wanted to keep the invaders out of their
Speaker 4: land and so God ordered them to smash the baby's
Speaker 4: heads of Amelek on the on the rocks.
Speaker 3: Right right, So that word Malek, right, you see this
Speaker 3: Tawoosi Malek peacock angel Yazidi region. I don't know what
Speaker 3: the zid is. I should have known that before I
Speaker 3: opened my eyes.
Speaker 5: I believe that's in Iran.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay.
Speaker 2: I think when I think of a peacock, a peacock
Speaker 2: esoterically speaking, it's symbolic for becoming enlightened, right, having all
Speaker 2: your shock gra is clear right, all the colors coming
Speaker 2: through and unblocked. And it's actually the very opposite. I
Speaker 2: think of people who are you know, cutting their junkle
Speaker 2: right right, if you have to have surgery, you're not.
Speaker 2: That's not what that's about, right, it was that's an exoteric,
Speaker 2: you know, take on things, whereas I think they I
Speaker 2: think they do that a lot, they being the distributors
Speaker 2: of information headless that you eloquently described.
Speaker 3: M Yeah, so it is related to to Zoriastrianism. So
Speaker 3: glad I was right on that symbolism of the peacock. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I find that stuff fascinating.
Speaker 5: Dude.
Speaker 4: Haarrah, the wife of zeus Her symbol was the peacock,
Speaker 4: and so she was very much in that sort of
Speaker 4: you know, kind of mindset, always trying to go underhanded,
Speaker 4: always trying to get revenge, always you know, doing what
Speaker 4: she could to kind of undermine the efforts of her
Speaker 4: husband who was just going around breeding everybody. So in
Speaker 4: some ways I see that as like that Kaibaligue type figure.
Speaker 4: You know, she has a lot of that because this
Speaker 4: Kaybali figure was supposed to be the very first mother
Speaker 4: and she dates back to like twenty eight hundred BC,
Speaker 4: so there's a huge connection between her and all the
Speaker 4: rest of these goddess figures throughout the region.
Speaker 3: I didn't know how to pronounce Kaybali before you said
Speaker 3: it to be. I thought it was Sibyl her cybill.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's so many different ways, and none of them
Speaker 4: are wrong. I think a lot of different sex had
Speaker 4: like kubaba. It sounds like the first word a child
Speaker 4: would say. You know, kubaba, What does that mean? You know,
Speaker 4: it sounds very you know, childlike and baby like.
Speaker 3: Well, in the epic of Gilgamesh you have humbaba, right,
Speaker 3: So yeah, man, I think it all, in my opinion,
Speaker 3: it all stems from this same angelic line lineage. And
Speaker 3: you know, some people, if they don't believe that these
Speaker 3: entities exist, you know, are they just stories, archetypal stories
Speaker 3: passed down and retranslated in the language of whatever culture
Speaker 3: is presenting it at the time. That very well maybe
Speaker 3: the case.
Speaker 4: How many noises can we make with our face? Once
Speaker 4: we hear another noise, then we start using it, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean? So I think a lot of
Speaker 4: this language spread like that. Is like, once they heard
Speaker 4: this thing and it was associated with this other thing,
Speaker 4: then you kind of that sound remained associated with it.
Speaker 4: And so even all of our sounds today.
Speaker 1: You know what that weird? I think you brought it
Speaker 1: up head listener, or maybe somebody else did, but I
Speaker 1: thought it might have been you. And it was even
Speaker 1: something that I had seen on social media actually not
Speaker 1: too long ago. It was like they were taking like
Speaker 1: different animals and I think speeding up their ship or
Speaker 1: slowing it down, and it all just starts to sound
Speaker 1: like another animal. When you do that, it's all like
Speaker 1: is that also, you know what we're doing is just
Speaker 1: like the same thing. It's just a different speed or
Speaker 1: we're hearing it at a different rate.
Speaker 3: Yeah, se Bro yeah, no, I like that.
Speaker 1: It's just weird the way I saw it, you know,
Speaker 1: presented bird.
Speaker 6: I'm super fast.
Speaker 2: I believe that since we're very much into the things
Speaker 2: that we're into today with language, the double meanings, the
Speaker 2: etymological or phraise, symbolism and sharing reg where it's like
Speaker 2: one little shift of the pronunciation is you know, a
Speaker 2: body part or an esoteric idea.
Speaker 5: They kind of they love that.
Speaker 2: The Egyptians anyway, really loved double on Tontanzos and so forth.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, and I mean when you look at the
Speaker 3: what is it, the Gnostic Gospel of John, it talks
Speaker 3: about each part of your body they're being a name
Speaker 3: for it, and that being like connected to some deity.
Speaker 3: I think, each having a different name and like a
Speaker 3: different function, and so like, I don't know, And it's
Speaker 3: like an attachment that you have because I mean, regardless
Speaker 3: of what anyone says, we're constantly going to be under
Speaker 3: spiritual attack. I think, you know, there's always going to
Speaker 3: be that darkness that you know, you could people believe
Speaker 3: in many different things toward off. But I've I've realized
Speaker 3: that that some people want to always you know, think
Speaker 3: that they're going to be forever saved, maybe in an afterlife,
Speaker 3: but in this world there will always be those dark
Speaker 3: forces constantly attacking us. And I think you can do
Speaker 3: better to ward off these uh, these low frequency spirits
Speaker 3: beings whatever you want to call them, you know, by
Speaker 3: understanding them in a way that does that make any sense.
Speaker 3: You dive into this stuff a little deeper and you're
Speaker 3: able to understand it. So it's easier to uh, easier
Speaker 3: to kind of go about uh, your spirituality in a
Speaker 3: way not by like uh like I always say, there's
Speaker 3: a difference in researching the occult and practicing it. Right
Speaker 3: enignoes this. We've talked about this, and so yeah, I
Speaker 3: think it's very important to have discernment, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, whatever you believe in, trust in that, and uh,
Speaker 3: you know, I, like I said earlier, I learned to
Speaker 3: take a lot of these things I've researched now kind
Speaker 3: of you know, interpret it in different ways because I've
Speaker 3: I've had some people, I've had people give me ideas,
Speaker 3: different ways to interpret these things. I think it's never ending,
Speaker 3: to be honest with you, you could always find some
Speaker 3: kind of relation to something else or some other idea
Speaker 3: involved with what we've been talking about. So I'm sure
Speaker 3: I'll find some new connections to things like an hour
Speaker 3: after we get off of here, you know.
Speaker 1: Oh, like I was even saying, you know what, the
Speaker 1: symbolism stuff, you know, because I'm saying that I think
Speaker 1: there's something to do with the eyes with certain animals
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that that's the only reason why it's used
Speaker 1: as well. You know, they could be seven other reasons why,
Speaker 1: multiple reasons.
Speaker 3: And they could all be true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 3: Yes, it could be one truth and a bunch of different,
Speaker 3: you know, misconceptions, or it could be all different truths,
Speaker 3: just different interpretations. Perception is reality, right, so it's may
Speaker 3: be onlike how you perceive these things. I don't know, man,
Speaker 3: I know that's you know, you can get deeper and
Speaker 3: deeper into these conversations, guys. It just depends on how
Speaker 3: long you want to be on here, exactly.
Speaker 5: Sure.
Speaker 2: One thing, there's an expression I forget who said it
Speaker 2: wrote it a Chinese philosopher Signs and symbols rule the world,
Speaker 2: not rules and laws.
Speaker 5: Thank you. Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 2: And I think it's these symbols rule the mind of
Speaker 2: us more so when we have not explored them and
Speaker 2: don't contemplate them. When we're unaware of how they might
Speaker 2: affect us, it actually has more effect on us. So
Speaker 2: contemplating these things really leads to rising above anything that's
Speaker 2: trying to control us with them.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think it's interesting the crossover between magic and these
Speaker 4: gods when it comes to naming, right, the name of
Speaker 4: the thing is supposed to give you power over it,
Speaker 4: and in a lot of ways, like we think that
Speaker 4: means just the sounds that come out of your mouth,
Speaker 4: but that's not true. Like to name something, you have
Speaker 4: to really understand it, and that's how you create the name.
Speaker 4: And in a lot of ways, being able to understand
Speaker 4: this stuff and properly use that knowledge and have good
Speaker 4: spiritual hygiene so important for not getting these attachments. And
Speaker 4: you know, there's lots of ways of going about effective
Speaker 4: spiritual hygiene, but I think having a spiritual hygiene routine
Speaker 4: is very important for whenever you deal with these topics
Speaker 4: because there's a lot of ancient memories that go into
Speaker 4: this stuff that isn't necessarily a good thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that's the understanding with lucifer is
Speaker 3: I don't. I think maybe over time became an egg Regor.
Speaker 3: But the translation to Lucifer is just through Samio, right,
Speaker 3: Like the Hebrews believe that sam Io is a necessary evil. Right,
Speaker 3: it's a dualistic comes from the Kabbala, you know, the
Speaker 3: light in the dark. But Lucifer basically began it became
Speaker 3: an interpretation for the story of sam Io. Originally it
Speaker 3: wasn't an entity at all. It was the worship of
Speaker 3: a planet, right, Venus. Now you could say that there
Speaker 3: is an energy perhaps that goes along with that planet
Speaker 3: that some people interpret as an entity, kind of like
Speaker 3: Earth being Gaya, right, And so yeah, I think it's
Speaker 3: very important to understand what you're talking about, like that
Speaker 3: headless that that I like that.
Speaker 4: So for Venus especially, it rises during the morning during
Speaker 4: one third of the year. One third of the year
Speaker 4: it's not there, and then it shows up in the
Speaker 4: fall at one third of the year, right, So it's
Speaker 4: it's broken up into you know, one third is missing
Speaker 4: and then it comes in in the spring and then
Speaker 4: leaves in the fall, which really created this you know,
Speaker 4: intense Venus Venus worship because it's one of the brightest
Speaker 4: lights in the sky and so having that that symbol
Speaker 4: being fertility and all the rest of this stuff really
Speaker 4: makes sense for Venus, you know. I mean, it's it's
Speaker 4: right there, It's it's doing the thing. And if you're
Speaker 4: watching the stars, you really get a good sense for
Speaker 4: what's happening on the planet. And this is one of
Speaker 4: the real motivating factors in developing you know, the skyclock
Speaker 4: and understanding of the planets. Is is this massive star
Speaker 4: that only shows up during certain times of the you know.
Speaker 6: The day and night.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, it's it's a feminine energy as well,
Speaker 3: Like you have the Moon and Venus being attributed to females,
Speaker 3: and then you have Mars and the Sun being attributed
Speaker 3: to males and so yeah, and so people want to say,
Speaker 3: you know, Lucifer is a male, and it's just like, well,
Speaker 3: I don't know, but we talked about earlier, you know,
Speaker 3: your eye of horace being like the feminine aspect, you know,
Speaker 3: and so I think it's it's interchangeable, and I think
Speaker 3: that also goes with the dualism of a lot of
Speaker 3: these ancient occult practices. But uh, but yeah, man, well
Speaker 3: I was gonna say that on this is fucking awesome.
Speaker 6: Lucifer in Roman was.
Speaker 4: Yos for us, and that was the son of the right. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and so you've got Eos would be the Greek goddess
Speaker 4: of dawn and Yos for Us, which would be her son,
Speaker 4: and that would be what they used in Latin, which
Speaker 4: they even had a different word for the goddess over
Speaker 4: there of Dawn. They called her Aurora. They didn't call her,
Speaker 4: but they called her by the Greek over in Rome.
Speaker 4: So it's kind of interesting. And that idea of Yasporus
Speaker 4: doesn't really take off anywhere, right, Like you don't see
Speaker 4: that as being a symbol of evil for them, But
Speaker 4: in the Hebrew it's like they go nuts on this stuff.
Speaker 4: They hate the goddess of Dawn, and I think that
Speaker 4: really goes back to nrgal worship because that's who their.
Speaker 6: Venus would be.
Speaker 4: Is once they see the sun of the morning or
Speaker 4: sun of the dawn, that's when it's wartime, that's they're
Speaker 4: getting beat up on the most out of everybody else.
Speaker 4: So they see the sun of the morning and they
Speaker 4: think themselves, oh shit, here comes the Babylonians again. They're
Speaker 4: going to destroy our towns and stuff. That was a
Speaker 4: well established thing with the Assyrians. They would just go
Speaker 4: town to town, just destroying shit. At the beginning of spring,
Speaker 4: you know, so that's when you've got the morning star.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the light bearer, dude. And I think these are
Speaker 3: these archetypes could be attributed to certain deities through these
Speaker 3: different times of whatever regions they were reigning in, right,
Speaker 3: because and even with like Mars and Venus, right, it's
Speaker 3: representative of Ishtar and Shamash, who are brother and sister, right.
Speaker 3: I don't know in these stories. I don't think they
Speaker 3: had any sexual relations. You don't really see that. Well,
Speaker 3: you see it with Inky and and Leo and their sister,
Speaker 3: but usually it's like the cousin or something that they're
Speaker 3: always having sex with, or even like their granddaughter. It's
Speaker 3: kind of fucked up. But you know, and that could
Speaker 3: be interpreted as symbolic as well. You know, That's what
Speaker 3: I think some of these stories may be symbolic. I
Speaker 3: don't think they're all they were all physically happening, especially
Speaker 3: when you look at the story of Marduke in Tiamatt.
Speaker 3: It absolutely I think took place in the heavens, you know,
Speaker 3: the collide of this one planet with Earth that you know,
Speaker 3: some of it broke off and made the asteroid belt,
Speaker 3: and you know that's interpreted as a creation myth as well.
Speaker 3: And some people would like to talk about Marduke's slaying
Speaker 3: a dragon or whatever. I mean, that's pretty fucking cool,
Speaker 3: you know. I mean I love the look at stuff
Speaker 3: like that, especially when you get into like the Nephilim
Speaker 3: and stuff like this. Shit's really uh because there's different
Speaker 3: there was these different classes of giants as well as angels.
Speaker 3: It's fascinating stuff, man, But you know, different interpretations. And
Speaker 3: it's the same thing with the dinosaurs, right, Like, were
Speaker 3: these dinosaurs if they existed, were they like hybrids? Were
Speaker 3: they created from these same people as well? I think
Speaker 3: they were just dragons. You know. I don't think most
Speaker 3: things that are presented to us, I don't think are
Speaker 3: one hundred truth. Honestly, to be honest with the truth
Speaker 3: is usually somewhere in the middle. It's just your job
Speaker 3: to kind of find it.
Speaker 1: So, is there anything else you guys wanted to talk about?
Speaker 1: Maybe we could like wrap it up here. Maybe actually
Speaker 1: this might be perfect timing. Yeah, listen, specific you know,
Speaker 1: I'll keep going. No problem.
Speaker 6: One thing.
Speaker 4: There there are Nephelim burial sites in Israel that seem
Speaker 4: pretty interesting. One of them is up in the West Bank.
Speaker 4: My dad went to Israel on a trip and they're like, well, here,
Speaker 4: here we have one of the Nephelim mounds. One of
Speaker 4: the giants are buried here. So they have a mound
Speaker 4: in Israel that supposedly to one of these Nephelim king giants.
Speaker 4: So that's been around for thousands and thousands of years,
Speaker 4: you know, like that was old by the time you know,
Speaker 4: Moses came out of So you know, what's really going
Speaker 4: on in these places, I'm not sure, but they still
Speaker 4: have these mounds around. And what's interesting is in North
Speaker 4: America we're surrounded by these same styled mounds as the
Speaker 4: Nephelin kings over there. So what's going on with that?
Speaker 4: What are these giants that they claim defined in these mounds?
Speaker 4: Like in Moundsville, West Virginia, they found a giant skeleton. Well,
Speaker 4: is that related back to Asriel because they consider that
Speaker 4: the burial side of a king.
Speaker 6: Are these kings over here too?
Speaker 4: But again, no answers coming forth, because you know, we've
Speaker 4: got a scientific establishment that doesn't accept the existence of
Speaker 4: giants as even a possibility.
Speaker 3: So good dinosaurs are real, right right, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's that's where that's where it gets me in like ochre.
Speaker 3: But this is fun, guys. I quite enjoyed this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we definitely got to get you back on again. Man,
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was just gonna say, don't forget this book,
Speaker 4: The Golden Ass. Check it out. There's a lot of
Speaker 4: good information on first and second century AD worship. So
Speaker 4: if you want to know what they were doing back
Speaker 4: then that's the that's the book to check out. Even
Speaker 4: though a lot of it is, you know, mythologized, he
Speaker 4: still gives the basic premise of a lot of the
Speaker 4: different worship practices.
Speaker 6: Nice.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much, Hellas, And again for everybody listening,
Speaker 1: especially on the live go check out Jewels' stuff. I
Speaker 1: really do think if you're a fan or a listener
Speaker 1: of the Occult Rejects, you would definitely find valuable stuff
Speaker 1: over at his channel as well. That's why I had
Speaker 1: them on Jewels. Thanks again, man coming on. I really
Speaker 1: had a great, great time. Again, I thought it was
Speaker 1: awesome when I was on your show. We had a
Speaker 1: great chat. He seemed very open minded and I really
Speaker 1: looked forward to getting you on here and just having
Speaker 1: a talk. Definitely, I have to do it again in
Speaker 1: the future, try to do it with the same group
Speaker 1: right here. Uh, and everybody in the chat, that is
Speaker 1: what's up. There was a lot of people from his
Speaker 1: channel and mine saying a lot of awesome stuff in
Speaker 1: the chat today. It was really it was lit. You know,
Speaker 1: it was definitely on fire. There's a lot of good
Speaker 1: stuff in there. If people are catching the video replay
Speaker 1: or whatever after it drops, definitely pay attention to the screen.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of good stuff being said today.
Speaker 1: And Jules, get on that podcast. You don't actually have audio,
Speaker 1: oh I have Spotify, but oh yeah, get on the
Speaker 1: spriaking man, get on spreaking.
Speaker 3: I've had everyone tell me, yeah, yeah, try and hook
Speaker 3: that up today. You're gonna try and hook that up today.
Speaker 1: Go for it.
Speaker 3: Me.
Speaker 1: I have any questions, hit me up, but yeah, go
Speaker 1: check out his stuff. And again, thank you Headless, thank
Speaker 1: you Ethan, and thank you everybody in the chat. That
Speaker 1: was an awesome fucking question today and look forward to
Speaker 1: doing another one. And until the next one, everybody be well.
Speaker 3: Later.