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Speaker 3: is the UFO Chronicles podcast. Sev starts us off this episode,
Speaker 3: calling from California in the US, and Sev has a
Speaker 3: ghost sighting for when he was a kid that Sev
Speaker 3: and his younger brother saw, as well as a couple
Speaker 3: of UFO encounters. Then stay in stateside, we speak to
Speaker 3: Fred in Texas, who will take us back to nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety four. Fred was enjoying a night sky looking at
Speaker 3: starfields through his telescope when something very large, in fact massive,
Speaker 3: floated effortlessly through the sky, catching his eye. Sev up next.
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Speaker 3: Good morning, Sev, Welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 3: It's great to have you with us today. And you're
Speaker 3: calling from California. Yes, I am wonderful. Now, Sev, you
Speaker 3: have a couple of UFO signs and a paranormal experience
Speaker 3: to share. Would you like to start at the beginning? Please?
Speaker 1: Sure. So. The first experience that I've ever had that
Speaker 1: I couldn't explain was a ghost or a spirit siding
Speaker 1: in Garden Valley, California, which is in northern California. My
Speaker 1: grandmother had moved onto this property that was it seemed
Speaker 1: like it was originally used for movie sets. There was
Speaker 1: a big barn and now this is you know, according
Speaker 1: to the information that she had. She told us that
Speaker 1: they used to shoot like old Western movies there and
Speaker 1: she lived in a trailer on the property, and her
Speaker 1: friend had a house on the property and the house
Speaker 1: had a trampoline and my brothers I have two brothers,
Speaker 1: and we were all jumping on the trampoline and my
Speaker 1: cousin was also there jumping on the trampoline and it
Speaker 1: was time to go when the sun was starting to
Speaker 1: go down. We had the long drive back home. So
Speaker 1: when we were driving down the hill, it's me and
Speaker 1: my little brother in the back seat and my mom
Speaker 1: and my older brother in the front seat, and we're
Speaker 1: turning at this fork in the road, turning to the left,
Speaker 1: and there's a man standing kind of in the middle
Speaker 1: of the road, but off to the side, and he's
Speaker 1: one all white like Mark Twain, almost like a all
Speaker 1: white suit with a white tie and a white hat
Speaker 1: and just everything was white. And I thought that was
Speaker 1: really odd, but it was a full body figure, so
Speaker 1: I thought it was a real person, just standing in
Speaker 1: the middle road. And we go to turn and we're
Speaker 1: turning past him, and he's still like looking at us
Speaker 1: while we're going past him, so me and my little
Speaker 1: brother both turn around to look continue looking at him
Speaker 1: in the back seat, and he's looking like a menacing
Speaker 1: kind of look, almost just staring into our souls. Don't
Speaker 1: come back. It's kind of what it felt like to me.
Speaker 1: And the sun is setting at this time and it's
Speaker 1: about to hit the ridge of the of the mountain,
Speaker 1: and when it does that it creates this sunburst, which
Speaker 1: at the same time, me and my brother both said he's gone,
Speaker 1: because he disappeared at that moment, and my mom and
Speaker 1: my brother in the front seat didn't see him at all.
Speaker 1: And you know, it's kind of ironic because you think
Speaker 1: that they would have saw him first being in front
Speaker 1: of us. But you know, they do say that younger
Speaker 1: children are more susceptible. So this had to be in
Speaker 1: the nineteen nineties, late nineties, when I was maybe nine
Speaker 1: or ten something like that. So that was my first
Speaker 1: inexplicable experience. When the first UFO experience didn't happen until
Speaker 1: about two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine. My cousin,
Speaker 1: not the same cousin that was in the previous experience,
Speaker 1: but an older cousin on on my dad's side. He
Speaker 1: had talked about this place in Kiber's to go camping.
Speaker 1: Kyber's is also in northern California, not too far from
Speaker 1: Garden Valley, maybe about forty or fifty miles away, and
Speaker 1: so we had planned to go up and see the
Speaker 1: meteor shower, the Percy and Meteor Shower this weekend. Now,
Speaker 1: my birthday is in August, so we usually go camping
Speaker 1: in August for my birthday anyways, and that's kind of
Speaker 1: August eighth is my birthday, and usually sometime around there
Speaker 1: is a really good time to see the media shower
Speaker 1: because they're really heavy at that moment. So it's our
Speaker 1: intention was to look in the sky already at this moment.
Speaker 1: And so it's me three of my cousins, my older
Speaker 1: cousin and his girlfriend, and then my brother and my dad.
Speaker 1: My older brother and my dad. So there's a bunch
Speaker 1: of us, seven of us. Now, my brother and my
Speaker 1: dad laid out on this big slab of granite at
Speaker 1: the campsite, and they looked kind of towards the east,
Speaker 1: and everyone else, the other five of us were all
Speaker 1: sitting in the semi circle looking towards the west. And
Speaker 1: it was a beautiful, clear, clear night of the sky,
Speaker 1: not a cloud in the sky. And I'm the first
Speaker 1: one to notice what I think is a satellite. It
Speaker 1: was the size of a satellite. It moved like a satellite,
Speaker 1: kind of at a steady pace from left to right,
Speaker 1: and as soon as I spotted it in the sky,
Speaker 1: I pointed it out. And so at this point, you know,
Speaker 1: everyone's looking at it, like, hey, what's what's that up there?
Speaker 1: And when I said that, and when everyone now that
Speaker 1: you know, I'm recalling it, when everyone started directing the
Speaker 1: attention towards it, it started turning. You can see it
Speaker 1: go from you know, left to right in the sky
Speaker 1: to start coming down. And it was coming down pretty
Speaker 1: fast what it seemed like it was. Actually I thought
Speaker 1: it was going to crash line where we were, so
Speaker 1: I actually got up out of my chair and was
Speaker 1: prepared to like run if I had to, and and
Speaker 1: then it stopped. It stopped like we've seen that, you know,
Speaker 1: that it was coming towards just and it stopped that
Speaker 1: like it seemed that we saw it. And at that
Speaker 1: point it was about half the size of the moon maybe,
Speaker 1: so I went from you know, looking like a star
Speaker 1: to ten times the size it that it was, and
Speaker 1: it was just a white white light. There was nothing
Speaker 1: orange or yellow or anything like that. And then after
Speaker 1: it stopped, it completely changes direct trajectory back out into
Speaker 1: space towards the right. So it was like, oh, they
Speaker 1: saw us, you gotta get out of here kind of
Speaker 1: what it felt like. And it didn't make any noise,
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of the people you interviewed have
Speaker 1: claimed that there was no noise emitted by these these
Speaker 1: crafts in the sky. So all of us there was
Speaker 1: completely just in shock and we're like, oh man, what
Speaker 1: was that? And uh, yeah, it was. It was definitely
Speaker 1: an object that was unidentifiable. Now my next experience, it
Speaker 1: was the only experience that I didn't have another eyewitness
Speaker 1: with me, the UFO that I saw in the Sacramento.
Speaker 1: I was getting on the freeway in my car, and
Speaker 1: it had to be about twenty ten, twenty eleven sometime
Speaker 1: around there, and it was maybe the sun was starting
Speaker 1: to go down, so maybe like five or six o'clock
Speaker 1: during the summer, I want to say. And I get
Speaker 1: into the fast lane and it was in the fraction
Speaker 1: of a second, but I see this giant ship fly
Speaker 1: over the top of us, like over directly over the freeway,
Speaker 1: kind of going with the freeway, it seemed like. And
Speaker 1: it was the biggest thing I've ever seen in the sky,
Speaker 1: and it was probably less than a mile above me. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know how something that big moving that fast
Speaker 1: didn't create any kind of noise, didn't create any kind
Speaker 1: of wind or the propulsion kind of effect, but it
Speaker 1: kind of looked like the Death Star underneath, and I
Speaker 1: don't know. If I blinked, I probably would have missed it,
Speaker 1: but my eyes were luckily open, and it looked like
Speaker 1: the Death Star. How it has like buildings coming off,
Speaker 1: you know, when they're like fighting close to the Death Star.
Speaker 1: You can see all these little valleys and buildings and
Speaker 1: like tower looking things. There was so much detail to
Speaker 1: take in in such a small amount of time, and
Speaker 1: the size of it it was probably I don't know,
Speaker 1: a thousand feet wide by five thousand feet long that
Speaker 1: I visibly saw. It literally took up my whole field
Speaker 1: of view over the top of me, and I was
Speaker 1: looking around at other cars. I was like, anybody's you say,
Speaker 1: the only person I saw this? And of course, you know, nobody,
Speaker 1: nobody even looked, you know, the same look that I
Speaker 1: was having. So that was that was pretty interesting. And
Speaker 1: you know, you hear a lot of people say that
Speaker 1: once you start you start seeing these things, you'll see
Speaker 1: him more often, and since then I haven't. I can't
Speaker 1: say that I've seen another UFO, but I have had
Speaker 1: some pretty interesting spiritual experiences and this this writing all
Speaker 1: this out, I started thinking on one in particular that
Speaker 1: was pretty interesting. So a buddy of mine named Brandon
Speaker 1: had passed away in twenty eleven. He was in a
Speaker 1: motorcycle accident, and I didn't I hadn't gone to see
Speaker 1: him at his gravesite in a while, and I didn't
Speaker 1: really intend to at this point. This was two years ago,
Speaker 1: I think through maybe three years ago I was. I
Speaker 1: bought a fishing license and out here in California. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure how it is in the UK, but you
Speaker 1: have to you only have it for a year, and
Speaker 1: I think it was starting to expire, so I was
Speaker 1: trying to use it, use it up before it expired.
Speaker 1: So I was going fishing all the time, and I
Speaker 1: went and sat with with my buddy Brandon, and I
Speaker 1: just kind of told him what was going on in
Speaker 1: my life. And then when I was getting ready to leave,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, well, I think I'll just find
Speaker 1: a creek nearby. And so you know, on your phone,
Speaker 1: when you're looking for a creek, or if you're looking
Speaker 1: for anybody of water, you can see the little blue
Speaker 1: lines and kind of follow them. So that that was
Speaker 1: my intention, was to just follow the little blue line
Speaker 1: till it you know, got to a bigger blue line
Speaker 1: and maybe there's going to be some fish in that water.
Speaker 1: So I take this road that is that the cemetery
Speaker 1: that he's buried at, and kind of follow along this
Speaker 1: road till I get to the little creek. And I
Speaker 1: didn't really have any good place to park, so I
Speaker 1: kept going. I kept going until it came to a
Speaker 1: tee where two little creeks met, and I pulled over
Speaker 1: and get out, and there's two sides of the river.
Speaker 1: I throw my first cast out into the creek and
Speaker 1: I didn't get anything, and I'm looking and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: there's a deep channel, like I can see there's you know,
Speaker 1: it's really dark on the other side of this little creek.
Speaker 1: So I get around, get to the other side, and
Speaker 1: on my first cast I catch probably like a sixteen
Speaker 1: inch rainbow trout. Is the beautiful fish, and I'm starting
Speaker 1: to reel it in, and as I'm really get in
Speaker 1: this dad and his two kids start coming down to
Speaker 1: where I'm at. Now I assume that they live in
Speaker 1: the area because I didn't hear a car pull up,
Speaker 1: so it seemed like they just walked up. And as
Speaker 1: I'm really getting in I'm like telling them, like, you
Speaker 1: guys have a really special spot here. The feeling that
Speaker 1: I was getting in this creek was that, you know,
Speaker 1: it was special and real it all the way in.
Speaker 1: I showed his kids. He had two little boys, and
Speaker 1: they you know, we're all thrilled to see a big fish.
Speaker 1: And he's like, yeah, we come over here all the time.
Speaker 1: I live nearby. And we started making small talk and
Speaker 1: he's like, where are you from? And you know, mind
Speaker 1: you I'm about thirty miles away from Sacramento in a
Speaker 1: little city called Oprah, which is between Sacramento and Auburn,
Speaker 1: where I actually intended on going fishing. And he and
Speaker 1: I tell him Sacramento and he's like, oh, what part
Speaker 1: of Sacramento And I tell him, you know the area.
Speaker 1: And at this point, I'm working at a place called
Speaker 1: Vibe Health Bar, which is kind of like a health
Speaker 1: food you know, a little restaurant. They have got avocado
Speaker 1: toast and stuff like that. And he's like, oh, do
Speaker 1: you know about Vibe Health Bar And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I worked at Vibe Health Far. He's like, dude, I
Speaker 1: own I thore like, no way, you're branded. And so
Speaker 1: my buddy who passed away. His name was also Brandon,
Speaker 1: and I just thought it was really like I had
Speaker 1: never met the owner of Vibe Health Bar before, which
Speaker 1: is you know, where I worked at the time, and
Speaker 1: it was just really really synchronistic for my buddy Brandon
Speaker 1: to introduce me to this other Brandon. It was kind
Speaker 1: of like, hey, this is this is somebody you need
Speaker 1: to meet. That's that's how it felt like to me. Anyways,
Speaker 1: So things like that has happened to me. You know,
Speaker 1: in the last few years, I felt the more spiritually
Speaker 1: open I've become, the more experiences I've started to happen,
Speaker 1: and you know, just dreams, prophetic dreams. I'll share one
Speaker 1: more thing real quick. Let's a dream that I had
Speaker 1: about my brother. So the dream starts with me like
Speaker 1: flying over Las Vegas, and it's it's obviously Las Vegas.
Speaker 1: I could tell the strip and everything. And then we
Speaker 1: come to this house. It has a pool with a
Speaker 1: bridge that goes over the pool, and I'm swimming and
Speaker 1: and then for some reason, I end up in some
Speaker 1: apartment building and I'm getting chased by like the men
Speaker 1: in black kind of people with suits and guns, and
Speaker 1: my brother is there. My brother is running with me,
Speaker 1: and for some reason, I like, I give him a gun.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you gotta go, and we're just running and running.
Speaker 1: And granted, you know, I hadn't talked to my brother
Speaker 1: in a while, me and my siblings. Obviously, all these
Speaker 1: stories have my my siblings involved. Were all pretty close,
Speaker 1: and he lives in Arizona, and so when I wake
Speaker 1: up from this dream, it's kind of like I have
Speaker 1: to tell him about this dream, Like it was really bizarre.
Speaker 1: We're running away from these guys with guns and I
Speaker 1: gave you a gun and you had to shoot at him,
Speaker 1: and you know, you don't really think much of it.
Speaker 1: But I texted him. I was like, yeah, I need
Speaker 1: to talk to you. And I hadn't talked to him
Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks. And he tells me, he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: we just landed in Vegas about to you know, do
Speaker 1: this and this and that. I was like, what, like
Speaker 1: you were My dream was set in Vegas and you
Speaker 1: were in it. So it's kind of a kind of
Speaker 1: a crazy synchronicity as well. So yeah, I think that
Speaker 1: about wraps it up for the most interesting experiences I've
Speaker 1: had up to this point.
Speaker 3: Thank you. Sev. That is interesting. And when you have
Speaker 3: a bond with family members and friends, things like this
Speaker 3: do happen, you know. I mean, you had no idea
Speaker 3: your brother was going to go to Vegas, but you
Speaker 3: had this dream and nothing bad happened, now you know,
Speaker 3: which which was good. But it's just strange that you
Speaker 3: you dreamt to Vegas and then you know when you
Speaker 3: spoke to him, he was just about to go to Vegas.
Speaker 1: Yes, he just he had just landed in Vegas when
Speaker 1: I texted him. So yeah, I'm not I'm not sure
Speaker 1: what powers are at play there, but you know, we
Speaker 1: are definitely we're close as siblings, all three of us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's definitely a bond there. And you're right when
Speaker 3: you when you start to have these experiences, then you
Speaker 3: tend to have more. And I don't know, you know,
Speaker 3: whether people believe in coincidence or not, you know, these
Speaker 3: it's strange how things just seem to line up exactly.
Speaker 3: Let's go back to your first one when you saw
Speaker 3: this ghost. Now you said he was wearing white. Was
Speaker 3: that like a white suit?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seemed like. So this area, Garden Valley, is
Speaker 1: not too far from Placidville, which is an old mining town,
Speaker 1: and it seems very prospector esque looking, you know, outfits
Speaker 1: very like wild West late eighteen hundreds looking attire. For sure.
Speaker 3: It's really interesting places like that, you know, which have
Speaker 3: such a rich history of see violence in those days.
Speaker 3: You know, it doesn't surprise me that you'd see some
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that that Plascaville used to be called hangtown,
Speaker 1: so given it its history, for sure, there's definitely you know,
Speaker 1: they they would hang people for seemingly anything they wanted to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just steating a loaf of breads, that would be
Speaker 3: enough to get you get your hung imagine all.
Speaker 1: Right, right exactly. It's so sad and thinking about, well,
Speaker 1: it's good, how far we've come from from that, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it is sad to think of how many you know,
Speaker 1: people had to endure all of that.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's really cool that the property was was a
Speaker 3: film set for Westerns.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was actually trying to. I reached out to my
Speaker 1: grandmother to see if you remembered the address because I
Speaker 1: have my I Planet on driving up there and seeing
Speaker 1: if I can drive down the same road, and so
Speaker 1: I know, I sent you a picture of what I
Speaker 1: what area I assumed it was at, but there are
Speaker 1: so many folks on the road up those roads, it's
Speaker 1: hard to pinpoint which one exactly it was right.
Speaker 3: Actually, of course California, you know it has filming locations
Speaker 3: all over the state.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, we've shown everything over here. It seems like.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, I'm a big movie fan myself, and Westerns are
Speaker 1: one of those that if you're if you're a fan
Speaker 1: of them, you're a fan of them. If you're not,
Speaker 1: it's probably gonna be hard to make you a fan
Speaker 1: of them.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean I'm more of a fan of the
Speaker 3: spaghetti Westerns.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, anything John.
Speaker 3: Wayne, Clint Eastwood.
Speaker 1: Quint Eastwood.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So in two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine
Speaker 3: when you saw this object, now this was the Eldorado
Speaker 3: National Forest, because you sent me some maps over Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. The city of Kibers is in the Eldorado
Speaker 1: National Forest. So you take fifty from Sacramento up to
Speaker 1: Kibers and then there's a road called Silver Fork Road.
Speaker 1: You take that for exactly eight miles to this campsite,
Speaker 1: which is across the Silver Fork of the American River,
Speaker 1: so it drains into the American which is also in Sacramento.
Speaker 1: Kind of interesting how all of these places are so
Speaker 1: connected to Sacramento in a way exactly.
Speaker 3: Okay, and this object, initially you thought it was a
Speaker 3: star satellite.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it moved like a satellite, kind of at
Speaker 1: a steady pace. You know, I'm sure you've seen millions
Speaker 1: of satellites and how they moved. So it was that
Speaker 1: was our thought process looking at it first. And it
Speaker 1: seemed as though the more we looked at it, the
Speaker 1: more eyes that were on it, the more it was
Speaker 1: aware that we've seen it, and it started acting in
Speaker 1: different ways in the satellite after that, and.
Speaker 3: That's what caught your rye. And as it's approaching, it
Speaker 3: was getting bigger and bigger, correct, and it seemed to
Speaker 3: reach a point and you believe it probably spotted you
Speaker 3: and then decided to head off in another direction.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well we made a joke that the you know,
Speaker 1: the aliens were like, oh, let's let's get in for
Speaker 1: a closer look. And then they look and they're like,
Speaker 1: oh no, their Mexican. We can't abduct them. They're going
Speaker 1: to take over the ship. And then then it took off.
Speaker 3: Okay, and then you saw it when it was leaving it.
Speaker 3: Then it slowly moved out of view.
Speaker 1: Oh it was fat. It was so fat. It was
Speaker 1: the fastest. It literally disappeared into space in a matter
Speaker 1: of seconds. It went from where it was, which seemed
Speaker 1: like maybe a couple of miles up away from us,
Speaker 1: all the way out of view, straight out into space,
Speaker 1: kind of curving to the right a little bit, in
Speaker 1: a matter of two or three seconds. So it moved
Speaker 1: at a very very fast rate. Didn't make any noise
Speaker 1: the entire time, which was you know, the inexplicable part
Speaker 1: of it, because a helicopter or any other ship American
Speaker 1: or any you know, any known ship to this this world,
Speaker 1: would have made some kind of noise.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, of course it was shooting off like that,
Speaker 3: it would make sense sound. And as we all know,
Speaker 3: you know, satellites, you know, they don't behave the way,
Speaker 3: and they certainly don't get closer get stay, don't get
Speaker 3: closer to you. That's that's really interesting. I suppose that
Speaker 3: that shocked you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And that was one of my one of
Speaker 1: my cousins I was with us, was like ten or
Speaker 1: eleven at the time, and he was here was definitely
Speaker 1: impacted a little bit tougher than the rest of us.
Speaker 1: Think he got a little emotional. But we were all
Speaker 1: just you know, enjoying ourselves out there, and the intention
Speaker 1: was to look in the sky and see the objects moving.
Speaker 1: So we definitely got that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he definitely got that right. And he was emotional.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think I think he was scared for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I'd imagine, you know, the first time a lot
Speaker 3: of people see these types of things, you know that
Speaker 3: it affects people in different ways, you know, whether people
Speaker 3: are excited or shocked. Did he ever really speak about
Speaker 3: it again?
Speaker 1: You know, I meant to reach out to him before this,
Speaker 1: I think. I mean, obviously, after this, I'm going to
Speaker 1: reach out to everybody and see what their their thought
Speaker 1: are on it. I do think, you know, we all
Speaker 1: have our lives lived after an event, and you know,
Speaker 1: just the same way that I had other experiences, maybe
Speaker 1: they had other experiences afterwards.
Speaker 3: It's certainly possible. Yeah, Okay, And when you saw this,
Speaker 3: this giant ship, could you make out any particular shape
Speaker 3: of the object.
Speaker 1: I was trying to think of what to compare it to.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you ever played StarCraft. StarCraft's a
Speaker 1: Blizzard game, computer game where you have different races and
Speaker 1: you build armies and fight other you know, players and stuff,
Speaker 1: And they had something called a battleship. On the Terran race,
Speaker 1: which is the human race, had a battleship, which is
Speaker 1: kind of what it looked like, just a very long
Speaker 1: and shorter It was short and height but it was
Speaker 1: wide and long, so very boxy looking ship. And I
Speaker 1: don't remember what the propulsion. I feel like the propulsion
Speaker 1: on the back end looked like a really white light.
Speaker 1: It was literally a fraction of the second that I saw,
Speaker 1: so it's absorbed all the detail in that small amount
Speaker 1: of time. Was It kind of reminded me also of
Speaker 1: Men in Black, the first Men in Black when he said,
Speaker 1: remember I told you not to push the little red button,
Speaker 1: and he tells him push the real little red button
Speaker 1: when they're driving to the tunnel and it flips the
Speaker 1: car upside down and these big like jet booster things
Speaker 1: are in the back. And that's another thing that the
Speaker 1: propulsion itself reminded me of, so kind of like this
Speaker 1: white light. I don't remember if there was one in
Speaker 1: the middle or if there was three, but that's that's
Speaker 1: also what it reminded me of and again made no
Speaker 1: sound at all. There were no waves of the just
Speaker 1: the sheer mass of this object flying through the sky,
Speaker 1: which you know, I think it would have would have
Speaker 1: caused a big commotion if anything man made would have
Speaker 1: flown that low and that fast over over me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you'd think something that big would would make at
Speaker 3: least a little bit of sound.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, No, it was a It was the most
Speaker 1: powerful image that I've probably ever seen as far as
Speaker 1: you know, a craft.
Speaker 3: Okay, I've got this this StarCraft image up and it's
Speaker 3: definitely yeah, definitely unusual. And you said boxy, Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was real like it was just it didn't seem
Speaker 1: like it had wings at all. Like it was just
Speaker 1: this giant building with other with buildings, you know, built
Speaker 1: into it, just floating and flying like it didn't you know,
Speaker 1: the conventional way that we see jets and planes with wings.
Speaker 1: It was not like that at all. It's just very
Speaker 1: much a rectangular box, almost like a like a cigar
Speaker 1: box kind of shape, but just massive.
Speaker 3: And you said there were other people around on the road.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm looking around as I'm driving. I'm like,
Speaker 1: are you guys seen this? And I'm like putting my
Speaker 1: hands up trying to wave people down and flag people down,
Speaker 1: and no, everyone was just eyes straight in front of them,
Speaker 1: and it was there were a lot of cars, and
Speaker 1: the fact that it was still dated, like the sun
Speaker 1: was still up, was just going down. I thought, for sure,
Speaker 1: you know, somebody else would have seen something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you certainly think something so big. But then again,
Speaker 3: you know, you do hear this from time to time,
Speaker 3: and I think if i'd guessed on previously that I've
Speaker 3: mentioned large objects like this, and there are times when
Speaker 3: people around you don't seem to notice it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's probably the same skeptics that you know, you
Speaker 1: tell them the story and they just don't believe you,
Speaker 1: and it's almost like their eyes are closed to believing already.
Speaker 1: So there, even if they they saw something, they'd probably
Speaker 1: be like, oh, no, that was nothing, you know, like
Speaker 1: they would just disregard it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there are certainly people out there. Yeah, that's an
Speaker 3: interesting one that you'd think something so big about all
Speaker 3: the commercial stuff which is flying around, but something so
Speaker 3: big and so.
Speaker 1: Low, you know, But there is as as far as
Speaker 1: I know, I'm not an aviation expert, but there is
Speaker 1: a like a radar level if you fly below the radar.
Speaker 1: You know, I just hear like drug smugglers and stuff
Speaker 1: flying under the radar. Maybe they were that low that
Speaker 1: they actually threw under the radar, so they were undetected
Speaker 1: by you know, our radars.
Speaker 3: That is a technique that is used. But you'd also
Speaker 3: think that something so big would have to would have
Speaker 3: to be very advanced. So you think they'd have things
Speaker 3: on board that would kind of take care take care
Speaker 3: of our primitive radar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the radar jammers for example.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say draw it, but it would be
Speaker 3: difficult to draw something like that.
Speaker 1: No, I'm actually an artist, so I was thinking about
Speaker 1: drawing all of the So I could definitely draw some
Speaker 1: things out and take pictures of them and send them
Speaker 1: to That.
Speaker 3: Would be great. Yeah, if you would wouldn't mind doing that,
Speaker 3: If you can spend a.
Speaker 1: Time, I wouldn't mind at all.
Speaker 3: That's wonderful. Sev Okay, Now let's finish on the fishing trip. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you'd spend some time at the grave with Brendan before
Speaker 3: we went fishing, spent some time with a friend that
Speaker 3: we've all done it. I've got a friend who passed
Speaker 3: away something very similar and you spent the time with him,
Speaker 3: You went fishing, you caught a wonderful rainbow trout, which
Speaker 3: a beautiful fish, and then you had a completely chance
Speaker 3: meeting with this other Brendan who just so happened to
Speaker 3: own a business that you work in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, talk about synchronicity there.
Speaker 3: And you're what thirty miles away?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so from Sacramento to Oprah, California. I believe it's
Speaker 1: about thirty miles.
Speaker 3: I mean, like I said, whether people believe in coincidence
Speaker 3: or not, you know, these these things do happen. It's
Speaker 3: one thing meeting the boss. It's another thing that tourned
Speaker 3: out to be the same name as your friend.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly exactly. And I was only I was two
Speaker 1: lots away from his house. Somehow I was guided to
Speaker 1: that fishing spot that was two lots away from his house.
Speaker 1: And he was so he was so awe struck about it.
Speaker 1: He was like, oh man, you got to come meet
Speaker 1: my wife and you know, come over to the house,
Speaker 1: and like he invited me into his home. He was
Speaker 1: he was also impacted by that, you know experience.
Speaker 3: That's interesting. It's like this experience opened up a new
Speaker 3: door for you.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for sure, And you know, I'm not sure
Speaker 1: what that meeting was, you know, what was supposed to
Speaker 1: come of it, if I was, if he was you know,
Speaker 1: I was thinking about it, like maybe he's supposed to
Speaker 1: be a mentor of mine or something like that. I
Speaker 1: think the only time will tell what comes of that.
Speaker 1: But I think just maybe just the experience itself is
Speaker 1: like being able to share it on this podcast, even
Speaker 1: maybe it'll help some other people.
Speaker 3: You know, absolutely, and I'm sure the people there which
Speaker 3: have had ones like this, So it's interesting. You know,
Speaker 3: we do come and go in people's lives and sometimes
Speaker 3: you have just from a chance meeting, you can have
Speaker 3: an impact on someone and that can then maybe define
Speaker 3: and change the direction of their lives. So it wouldn't
Speaker 3: surprise me if it's something like this.
Speaker 1: M Yeah, very very powerful, profound meeting.
Speaker 3: And did you keep on contact of him?
Speaker 1: I have interested, Yeah, I mean I reached out to
Speaker 1: him and obviously he's seen that I was fishing, so
Speaker 1: he invited me on a fishing trip that never ended
Speaker 1: up happening. But we do keep in contact, and I
Speaker 1: know he knows a lot of really cool people like
Speaker 1: UFC fighters and stuff, so those things and maybe, you know,
Speaker 1: it's a way to meet some other cool people. But
Speaker 1: who knows. We'll see what happens in the future.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, that's interesting. He knows some UFC fighters.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Yuriyah favors a Sacramento legend and he is
Speaker 1: affiliated with Vibe Health Bar, and so all of his fighters,
Speaker 1: you know, the whole team APT was all affiliated and
Speaker 1: they got to eat healthy, you know, especially when he
Speaker 1: found the cutway. Actually, a Cody Garbrandt used to come
Speaker 1: in all the time and get what was called the
Speaker 1: Macho bawl. And when he had that fight, I forgot
Speaker 1: the guy he was fighting, but he ended up knocking
Speaker 1: the guy out and like won like super punch and
Speaker 1: called I called it the Macho punch. That was pretty funny.
Speaker 3: Yeah, some of those guys are warriors. I know. I
Speaker 3: had a guest on a year ago, a couple of
Speaker 3: years maybe his name was John Peretti, and I'm sure
Speaker 3: he's listening now because he's a huge fan.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: He's a big name in that field because he was
Speaker 3: the first ever mixed martial artist and he was one
Speaker 3: of the ones that co founded the UFC, the original
Speaker 3: when it was Ultimate Fighter. You know, in those in
Speaker 3: those days, and he was a match a matchmaker as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I listened to that episode. It was it was
Speaker 1: really impactful. Honestly, every every episode that I've listened to,
Speaker 1: and I've pro listened to twenty now in this short
Speaker 1: period of time, some level or another, all of your
Speaker 1: guests have resonated with me. So I do think you
Speaker 1: know what you're doing here building this community. It's really
Speaker 1: it's really helping anyone who's had an experience like this,
Speaker 1: and even people who haven't, you know, maybe opening their
Speaker 1: minds and supposedly that's how you see these things. If
Speaker 1: you're open to it, you're more likely to experience it.
Speaker 3: You're absolutely right. People that listen to this show the
Speaker 3: ones which have had these experiences, and there's people on
Speaker 3: who listen to this show which haven't had experiences, but yeah,
Speaker 3: it's opened their mind up to this. You know that
Speaker 3: it's possible that these things can happen, and which they do.
Speaker 3: You know, because I receive endless emails. We've sure had
Speaker 3: plenty of guests on and plenty of episodes of a Minute,
Speaker 3: but I've still got tons more to release yet, so
Speaker 3: it's no ongoing things. So people having these experiences literally
Speaker 3: all over the world. So it's great that there is
Speaker 3: a place where people can share these you know, people
Speaker 3: wouldn't hear these these interesting experiences otherwise.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3: That's wonderful. Seven.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I mean, I feel like I
Speaker 1: could talk about this all day. I share these stories
Speaker 1: with so many people all the time, and you know,
Speaker 1: I got to the point where I don't care if
Speaker 1: you believe me, if you don't, I know what I experienced.
Speaker 1: And yeah, like you said, the people who have or understand,
Speaker 1: they understand, and the people who don't, well, you know,
Speaker 1: there's maybe someday they'll they'll have an experience that will
Speaker 1: change your mind.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, you know. And I've had people guests on here
Speaker 3: before and that you know, we'd be talking off there
Speaker 3: and they's say, you know, I believe this person, but
Speaker 3: this level person I heard, I don't really believe. Then
Speaker 3: they think to themselves, well, there'll be people out there
Speaker 3: that won't believe what I've just said now, so who
Speaker 3: am I to judge? And I think that's the way
Speaker 3: it should be. People have these experiences, you know that
Speaker 3: they've taken their time out to come and share. People
Speaker 3: don't get anything for it, you know, and a lot
Speaker 3: a lot of times they don't mention names, you know,
Speaker 3: we use a pseudon them. In any case, there's nothing
Speaker 3: to benefit from people to lie, So it's just I
Speaker 3: just want to keep this as a place where people
Speaker 3: can come and share, you know, like a like a
Speaker 3: campfire near and tell their stories and accounts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's something very ancestral about it too. You know
Speaker 1: all of the like native stories about you bring up
Speaker 1: owls a lot, just different deities that took animal form,
Speaker 1: and it's like were those UFOs or were they you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like it's hard to explain what
Speaker 1: these things are that our ancestors we're talking about and
Speaker 1: for us their folk tales, but to them it really happened.
Speaker 1: And I love the I think I just listened to
Speaker 1: the episode of the Lady was talking about elves and
Speaker 1: fairies and things like that. And I've actually did my
Speaker 1: ancestry DNA research and I'm twenty one percent Irish and
Speaker 1: sixteen percent Scottish, so a big percentage of my blood is,
Speaker 1: you know, is in that region where all of these
Speaker 1: things come from. And I think it's a there's there's
Speaker 1: so many different cultures that have these different experiences, it's
Speaker 1: impossible to say that it's not real, you know, because
Speaker 1: to them it was very real.
Speaker 3: Exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean for years and years or even still now,
Speaker 3: people discount the folk tales and the folklore and the
Speaker 3: legends that we have in you know, in Europe, and
Speaker 3: as did you say, it's just you know, just fairy tales.
Speaker 3: But there's a lot to it, you know, Like you said,
Speaker 3: our ancestors, you know, they were basically saying what they
Speaker 3: were seeing. They may not have understood it, but you know,
Speaker 3: they're just saying what they were seeing. And you're absolutely right.
Speaker 3: You know, you could go over any culture, probably any
Speaker 3: country in the world and go to their past and
Speaker 3: you will find these stories in every single country.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: I'm here and I'm hearing ones every day from countries
Speaker 3: I've never never heard about, you know, and especially Central
Speaker 3: and South America. So it's it's interesting. I want to
Speaker 3: want to hear more. Oh yeah, every yeah, every every
Speaker 3: country has them. So you've got to really say yourself, well,
Speaker 3: if every country has these these accounts, sometimes they differ,
Speaker 3: of course they do, but they were they were seeing
Speaker 3: things even back in our past. So it should be
Speaker 3: noted for sure, exactly the things that that interests me.
Speaker 3: In any case, there is elves, and it's it's quite
Speaker 3: often that you hear hear these little low accounts and
Speaker 3: people seeing you know, in modern times.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and not just in Europe, you know, I
Speaker 1: mean so many, so many people came from Europe to America.
Speaker 1: It's of course the the entities are going to come
Speaker 1: with them, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally agree with you, of course, because it
Speaker 3: was the Irish that brought over Halloween. So yeah, you're
Speaker 3: absolutely right. And I've I've traveled all over Asia and
Speaker 3: there's there's these accounts in their past as well. They
Speaker 3: have stories. I mean, they tend to be quite spiritual
Speaker 3: in any case. But yeah, you hear these accounts of
Speaker 3: of of spirits and and and then demons and all
Speaker 3: kinds of all kinds of strange things. So it is interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think especially with certain cultures where they haven't
Speaker 1: deviated too much in the future, you know, they didn't
Speaker 1: they didn't necessarily let technology influence them to the point
Speaker 1: where they've forgotten all these things. I think in America
Speaker 1: we're just so technologically focused. I think we lose we
Speaker 1: lose touch with that nature and that spirit and the
Speaker 1: you know, the other parts of us that was that
Speaker 1: was so prolific in our in our past. So I
Speaker 1: think that's that's kind of the big point, is to
Speaker 1: get back out into nature and and just live the
Speaker 1: way our ancestors lived, at least for a small amount
Speaker 1: of times.
Speaker 3: I agree with you, and it beneficial to go out,
Speaker 3: you know, whether you're camping fish and just just get
Speaker 3: out in nature. You know, leave a technology behind, it
Speaker 3: would still be there. It's good for your souls, it's
Speaker 3: good for your health, and you know, get back to
Speaker 3: the old ways spending time outside, going camping under the stars.
Speaker 3: I mean, miss those days. I think every child should,
Speaker 3: you know, experience those type of things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially now where we live in an age where
Speaker 1: parents are given their kids the tablets and all that
Speaker 1: stuff at such a young age that they don't have
Speaker 1: to go outside. You know, everything entertaining is inside. So
Speaker 1: you see it in the streets in the neighborhood. There's
Speaker 1: less and less kids playing outside. It's a shame for sure.
Speaker 3: But when we were kids, you know, go out on
Speaker 3: your bikes and you'd be out literally all day. You know,
Speaker 3: you wouldn't come home till it was dark.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now, I remember my first time riding a few miles
Speaker 1: away from the house. My dad didn't even know, and
Speaker 1: I realized, I was like, I could I could really
Speaker 1: just be in another city and he would He wouldn't
Speaker 1: even know. He's just riding my bike all the way,
Speaker 1: you know, to a nearby city where there was a skatepark,
Speaker 1: and then made my way back and he didn't even
Speaker 1: question where I was. So, yeah, we definitely grew up
Speaker 1: in a different time for sure.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think bad times as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there was there was less maybe less
Speaker 1: to worry about, not maybe not less to worry about,
Speaker 1: but it was I think you just had a sense
Speaker 1: of community as far as you know, neighbors looking out
Speaker 1: for neighbors and just things like that. There wasn't We
Speaker 1: weren't as worried about, you know, child abductions and all
Speaker 1: the scary stuff, especially the news and the media portrays you.
Speaker 1: You see the Amber alerts all the time, and just
Speaker 1: missing missing children constantly on a daily basis, especially with
Speaker 1: like So that is a good and a bad thing
Speaker 1: about social media. You can spread the work quicker about
Speaker 1: things that need attention, but it's a lot of negative
Speaker 1: stuff that's getting attention for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I do see that. Yeah, I know what
Speaker 3: I mean, Sev. I really appreciate you coming on and
Speaker 3: sharing that for our.
Speaker 1: Listeners, and I appreciate you taking time out of your
Speaker 1: day to you know, just listen to what I have
Speaker 1: to say.
Speaker 3: More welcome. He's great talk and I love meeting people
Speaker 3: in any case, from all over the world. So it's
Speaker 3: been great me and you save O Kate, take care
Speaker 3: and I'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 2: You too.
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Speaker 2: Do not go any further, turn around, go home.
Speaker 3: Hello, Fred, Welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 2: Hi Nick, how are you.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty good. Thank you for joining us today. And
Speaker 3: you'll call in from Texas.
Speaker 2: That's correct, I'm in North Texas, the Lone Star.
Speaker 3: State, the lone Star state. That's great.
Speaker 2: Fred.
Speaker 3: Now you have a sit and to share with us.
Speaker 3: Would you like to start at the beginning please, sir, yes, I'd.
Speaker 2: Love to thank you. So. Yeah, this was a siting
Speaker 2: I had probably around nineteen ninety four is the best
Speaker 2: estimate I can come up with. I recall my wife
Speaker 2: and I had just moved into a house. We had
Speaker 2: had a baby daughter, and I'd taken on some hobbies
Speaker 2: that kept me close to the house, and one of
Speaker 2: those was astronomy, and I had recently purchased a telescope,
Speaker 2: which I've always enjoyed looking at telescopes or looking at
Speaker 2: telescopes and astronomy ever since college and and taken astronomy classes.
Speaker 2: But I enjoyed it very much and was very familiar
Speaker 2: looking at the night sky and spent a lot of
Speaker 2: time over the years looking at constellations prior to that,
Speaker 2: and previously I had spent time in school being educated
Speaker 2: in astronomy. So but anyway, this was this was an
Speaker 2: evening I want to say. It was early early winter
Speaker 2: here in North Texas, and the leaves were not yet
Speaker 2: falling off the trees, but still leave on the trees,
Speaker 2: a little bit cool in the evening, and my routine
Speaker 2: was after putting the baby down, we would watch a
Speaker 2: little bit of TV and then I would go out
Speaker 2: on my back deck and look at some constellations. And
Speaker 2: one evening I had gone through that routine and started
Speaker 2: looking at some constellations around the north Star. I believe
Speaker 2: there was a spiral galaxy. I would always look at
Speaker 2: M eighty one. I think it's what it was, but
Speaker 2: we I would always look at that first and kind
Speaker 2: of get my bearings in the night sky. But as
Speaker 2: I was doing that, I was looking through the eyepiece
Speaker 2: of the telescope, and I was looking at the starfield.
Speaker 2: There was a lot of I guess, ambient light around
Speaker 2: the DFW Metroplex here in North Texas, so the skies
Speaker 2: aren't incredibly dark, so you're dealing with a little bit
Speaker 2: of background light. And so I'm looking through my eyepiece
Speaker 2: at this starfield, and all of a sudden, the starfield
Speaker 2: went completely black, to the extent that I felt like
Speaker 2: something was obstructing my view. In fact, I thought perhaps
Speaker 2: one of my friends may have snuck up behind me
Speaker 2: and stuck his hand over the telescope lens, because it
Speaker 2: was completely black, as if you had totally turned off
Speaker 2: the viewfinder and weren't able to see anything. So I
Speaker 2: was a little taken back. I was trying to adjust
Speaker 2: the focus, and everything was continuing to be completely black,
Speaker 2: and I pulled my head back and I turned around
Speaker 2: to see if someone was standing behind me and obstructing
Speaker 2: the view of my telescope, and nobody was there. So
Speaker 2: I looked up at the field of a space I
Speaker 2: was looking at, and the most incredible thing I had
Speaker 2: ever seen in my life and to this day, was
Speaker 2: just floating through the sky at a very slow pace.
Speaker 2: It was it was simply a black triangle with no
Speaker 2: lights whatsoever. I know, you hear of black triangles with lights,
Speaker 2: and this had no light whatsoever. But because of that
Speaker 2: ambient light that the cities tend to throw up into
Speaker 2: to the sky, you could easily make out the object shape.
Speaker 2: And the size was immense, you know, looking at the
Speaker 2: night sky, I could tell, and being familiar with airplanes
Speaker 2: that would fly over our house, I could tell that
Speaker 2: this was simply maybe two three thousand feet up in
Speaker 2: the air. But it was huge. And when I think
Speaker 2: about comparing the size of this something more familiar. If
Speaker 2: you look at, for instance, the wingspan of like a
Speaker 2: seven forty up I think it's around two hundred and
Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty feet, This looked like it was
Speaker 2: wide enough to where you could fit two seven forty
Speaker 2: sevens on top of it. It blocked out so much
Speaker 2: of the night sky. And the hot thing was we
Speaker 2: lived just maybe four or five miles from DFTW Airport,
Speaker 2: so we were, you know, constantly having airplanes fly over us.
Speaker 2: And this was a little bit later in the evening,
Speaker 2: so air traffic was had subsided. But this triangle was
Speaker 2: moving in the direction towards DFW Airport. I mean at
Speaker 2: the speed it was going, which is I would estimate
Speaker 2: be maybe around one hundred miles an hour or so,
Speaker 2: it would likely be over the airport within one or
Speaker 2: two minutes. And I watched it across, move from left
Speaker 2: to right, from from west to east towards the airport,
Speaker 2: and just amazement. There was no sound. There was again,
Speaker 2: as I said, no light, just a huge black triangle
Speaker 2: floating through the sky effortlessly. And I've spent time around airplanes,
Speaker 2: and I I was younger, I flew small general aviation airplanes,
Speaker 2: and I've spent a lot of time flying I have
Speaker 2: never seen anything like this, not even close. And I
Speaker 2: guess one of the things that really disturbed me is, I,
Speaker 2: you know, given that there were no lights on it,
Speaker 2: I knew, you know, a military aircraft wouldn't be flying around.
Speaker 2: But I think at the time was the world's second
Speaker 2: largest or second busiest airport without aviation lights. And to
Speaker 2: the degree that someone was or something was doing that,
Speaker 2: they certainly didn't have a concern about the airspace that
Speaker 2: they were flying through. After I saw it, it was
Speaker 2: moving towards the airport, and I lost it in some
Speaker 2: of the trees, and as I said, the leaves were
Speaker 2: still on the trees, so I could only watch it
Speaker 2: for a short while. And I have to tell you,
Speaker 2: my fight or flight reflex kicked in and I ran
Speaker 2: inside my house and walked into my kitchen where my
Speaker 2: wife was, and she looked at me, and I must
Speaker 2: have been white as a ghost. She said, what is wrong?
Speaker 2: I've never seen you like this? What happened? And I
Speaker 2: couldn't even speak for a couple of minutes, and I
Speaker 2: was just shaking my head, trying to catch my breath
Speaker 2: and trying to process what I just saw. And then
Speaker 2: I shared with her what it was, and she was
Speaker 2: amazed and baffled as well. And I just spent days
Speaker 2: and weeks trying to process what it could have been
Speaker 2: and what the odds of it being a military aircraft were,
Speaker 2: or for that matter, you know, Chinese or Russian. But
Speaker 2: I had no idea of anything like this ever existed.
Speaker 2: Haven't seen anything like it since. And again, given its
Speaker 2: proximity to a very busy airport, find it really difficult
Speaker 2: to imagine that this would be something that was made
Speaker 2: from humans and flying through airspace that is rather congested,
Speaker 2: so yeah, I was very taken back and have yet
Speaker 2: to determine, you know, or come up with what it
Speaker 2: may have been, but it, certainly I don't believe was
Speaker 2: anything of this world and had really opened my eyes
Speaker 2: to a lot of different concepts, and ever since then
Speaker 2: have always been open to listening to what others have
Speaker 2: to say about things that this nature, and for the
Speaker 2: first time actually giving them some credence and believing what
Speaker 2: they believed to be true. And this, you know, in
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four, this was just a few years prior
Speaker 2: to the Phoenix lights sighting, and I had not really
Speaker 2: been aware of any triangle shaped objects in UFO folklore.
Speaker 2: Seems like everything was saucer oriented, and so I'd never
Speaker 2: imagined anything like that, and certainly I haven't seen anything
Speaker 2: in movies. I'm not really a sci fi movie watcher anyway,
Speaker 2: but had nothing to compare it to, so I thought
Speaker 2: it was really odd, and I really had kept it
Speaker 2: to myself for many years, and I shared it with
Speaker 2: a few people, but all in all, had kept it
Speaker 2: to myself until recently. I started hearing a lot about
Speaker 2: triangles and did some research, but I haven't heard of
Speaker 2: many that are have the same characteristics as what I saw.
Speaker 2: Like I said, most that I hear about are smaller
Speaker 2: and they have lights. But this was absolutely huge and
Speaker 2: not a light on it and just floating through the
Speaker 2: sky and no sound whatsoever. So yeah, that was that
Speaker 2: was my experience and I'm uh, I would love to
Speaker 2: see it again, but have no idea what it may
Speaker 2: have been.
Speaker 3: That's great for d You know, people always say how
Speaker 3: come astronomers, you know, they spend so much time looking
Speaker 3: up in the air through the telescopes and even amateur
Speaker 3: they say, you know, but they never see anything. The
Speaker 3: thing is, they do, they just don't report it, you know,
Speaker 3: like light yourself. Yeah, but people do, you know, people
Speaker 3: do see I've had plenty of people on air which
Speaker 3: you've just had an interest in the sky and things
Speaker 3: have come into their field of view. I mean, you're
Speaker 3: looking for a telescope, you know, and you see you
Speaker 3: see this massive object.
Speaker 2: Yeah it. You know, it's interesting because when you do
Speaker 2: look through scope, you're only looking at you're looking at
Speaker 2: such a small portion of the sky. I could see
Speaker 2: where you know, things could fly by and you never
Speaker 2: know it because an ipiece covers about one degree of
Speaker 2: the maybe one and a half degrees of the night sky,
Speaker 2: but you are spending a lot of time, you know,
Speaker 2: in view binders, which capture a lot more of the
Speaker 2: night sky. But to your point, I think a lot
Speaker 2: of people, especially in academia, are you know, concerned about
Speaker 2: what others are going to think. And I think it's
Speaker 2: a generational thing that the people that I have shared
Speaker 2: shared this experience with that are my age in their fifties,
Speaker 2: are around this age, you know, they tend to look
Speaker 2: the other way and not care to listen too much.
Speaker 2: But I think a younger generation when I talk to
Speaker 2: kids in their twenties and young adults in their thirties,
Speaker 2: it's a very different approach and they seem to be
Speaker 2: much more open. So I feel like there's a generational
Speaker 2: that's going on. And fortunately, I believe a lot of
Speaker 2: the younger audience and younger generations that are coming up
Speaker 2: are much more open to it and talk about it
Speaker 2: much more frequently. So hopefully it's some of that stigmas
Speaker 2: starting to be left in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can definitely see that, But predominantly my guests
Speaker 3: on here are usually fifty fifty up, and you know,
Speaker 3: they're sharing experiences from the nineties, eighties, seventies and sixties,
Speaker 3: even the fifties in some cases. And I often, yeah,
Speaker 3: I often find that the younger generations, whether I don't
Speaker 3: know what to do with pop culture these days, you know,
Speaker 3: they're kind of more accustomed to believe and more accepting
Speaker 3: of this subject as opposed to the older ones, you know,
Speaker 3: where of the fear of ridicule or being made a
Speaker 3: fun of. So I think, yeah, I think times are
Speaker 3: changing a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd like to think so. And it feels like
Speaker 2: I think there's a general distrust of media and government
Speaker 2: and other institutions that the younger generations have, which I
Speaker 2: think is healthy. And to that end, I think it
Speaker 2: allows them to really embrace additional concepts or new concepts,
Speaker 2: and I think that's a really, really good thing. But
Speaker 2: hopefully one day we'll have this figured out. I just
Speaker 2: don't have a lot of faith and hope that it
Speaker 2: will come from these institutions. It's going to be have
Speaker 2: to be an alternative path forward.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you and me, You and me both, Fred, that's
Speaker 3: the way. That's completely the way I feel. And for
Speaker 3: the last few years, everyone's been getting very excited in
Speaker 3: the UFO field, about what the government, especially the US government,
Speaker 3: have been releasing. I'm quite cynical. I've always looked at
Speaker 3: the government's web, you know, whether it's the UK or
Speaker 3: the US, that they're only going to tell you stuff
Speaker 3: that they want you to know for what, for whatever reason.
Speaker 2: So well, and we pay them to keep secrets, right,
Speaker 2: that's that's what we We don't want them divulging our
Speaker 2: best technology and defense capability. So this is what they do. So,
Speaker 2: you know, far be it from an institution like that
Speaker 2: to be transparent, And I'm not sure we want them
Speaker 2: to be transparent, to be honest. So I think what
Speaker 2: people like Abvi Lob are doing is incredible. And I
Speaker 2: feel like if and when we get to a place
Speaker 2: where there's this understanding of what is going on, it's
Speaker 2: going to be through a private channel. But I don't
Speaker 2: believe we can expect our government to disclose information that
Speaker 2: they feel they need to hold on to to ensure that,
Speaker 2: you know, that people are well defended, because as long
Speaker 2: as evil exists, they've got to make sure that they
Speaker 2: can defend us and ensure that that evil is kept
Speaker 2: in check.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And it's an ongoing thing, and it is good
Speaker 3: that more scientists and journalists now looking at the subject
Speaker 3: with through different eyes as opposed to what has happened
Speaker 3: in the past. So obviously needs more people come forward
Speaker 3: and needs more people to research it. We need better reporting,
Speaker 3: and that's you know, that's how you can really make
Speaker 3: It's good that people on the show now after all
Speaker 3: these years, you know, are coming forward and sharing these experiences,
Speaker 3: So that's great.
Speaker 2: I think that's a huge component of it is just
Speaker 2: the general awareness that people can have through your show
Speaker 2: that others are experiencing the same and I think that
Speaker 2: enables others to come forward, makes it easier for them,
Speaker 2: but it also raises just the awareness amongst the population
Speaker 2: that there is something going on that we probably need
Speaker 2: to bee pay closer attention to. And there's certainly a
Speaker 2: lot of interest in that. But I think your show
Speaker 2: is a great venue to really enable people to come
Speaker 2: forward and share their experience, and it helps immensely, and
Speaker 2: I certainly enjoy it, certainly have felt like it's helped me,
Speaker 2: and I appreciate the work that you put into it absolutely.
Speaker 3: But you know, like I always say, if it wasn't
Speaker 3: for the guests and the people coming forward, you know,
Speaker 3: this show wouldn't exist. So really, you know, I should
Speaker 3: be thanking everyone for coming forward because it just takes
Speaker 3: one person to step forward and then then brings other people,
Speaker 3: which is great. And because this show is worldwide, I'm
Speaker 3: getting people from all over the world now, So these
Speaker 3: things just don't happen in the US, and it's just
Speaker 3: don't happen in the UK. It happens all over the world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's the beauty of technologies, and you're able
Speaker 2: to reach a global audience and attract listeners from all over.
Speaker 2: So it's a great basset of the work that you.
Speaker 3: Do, it is, yeah, and it's a good way that
Speaker 3: now we can it's so easy. We can just send
Speaker 3: a quick message to someone anywhere in the world. When
Speaker 3: I was a kid, there was nothing like that obviously,
Speaker 3: but these days, you know, you can be talking to
Speaker 3: someone you know in literally in the middle of nowhere
Speaker 3: within a couple of seconds. So that's you know, that
Speaker 3: has really helped. So it's a good thing technology moving.
Speaker 2: Forward for us, absolutely, and to the extent we can
Speaker 2: make it work for us, and understanding what is going
Speaker 2: on in our night skies would be wonderful.
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly. Now do you still venture aside and have
Speaker 3: a go on the old telescope.
Speaker 2: So it's interesting you mentioned that over the years, I've
Speaker 2: really spent a lot of time looking at the night
Speaker 2: sky using different apps. The apps have gotten so good
Speaker 2: from astronomical viewpoint in looking at the night sky. With
Speaker 2: these apps in your smartphone, you can determine constellations. And
Speaker 2: then of course there's the satellite trackers, which I have
Speaker 2: spent way too much time with. But the telescope that
Speaker 2: I owned I had sold and actually I'm looking to
Speaker 2: re engage in a new telescope. But I spent probably
Speaker 2: more time looking at the night sky now just using
Speaker 2: these different applications on the smartphones. But I do miss
Speaker 2: the hardware of the telescope, and I we'll likely be
Speaker 2: jumping into it. And I've thought too around perhaps getting
Speaker 2: night vision goggles, because I'm understanding those really open up
Speaker 2: all new world to things that are in our atmosphere.
Speaker 2: So that's that would be a good Christmas gift, actually
Speaker 2: it would.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd love to I'd love a pair of night
Speaker 3: vision but I'm the same I've got a cellis John
Speaker 3: upstairs actually in the attic, but I haven't taken it
Speaker 3: in well over a couple of years. It was a
Speaker 3: manual one, so you'd have to move it and find
Speaker 3: the consolation you needed at least to really enjoy astronomy.
Speaker 3: Get telescope, Yeah.
Speaker 2: It opens up a whole new world. I recall the
Speaker 2: first time I looked through telescope and I was looking
Speaker 2: at the rings of Saturn, and you have this, at least,
Speaker 2: I had this incidant realization that we can't be alone.
Speaker 2: This universe is so I meant, and we're looking at
Speaker 2: such a small piece of the sky. And of course
Speaker 2: all the projections that they've made around the number of
Speaker 2: civilizations or at least living organisms and planet planets that
Speaker 2: are like Earth that exists today are just multiplying every day.
Speaker 2: It seems like they've they've uncovered another thousand and are so.
Speaker 2: So it's amazing where technology is leading us into the
Speaker 2: to the night sky and applying that capability to understanding
Speaker 2: our universe, because there's there's so much we don't know.
Speaker 3: There is, Yeah, there is so much we don't know.
Speaker 3: And I remember the first time I actually saw Jupiter,
Speaker 3: Jupiter surrounded by all the moons, and that's when it
Speaker 3: kind of made me feel small. It made me feel
Speaker 3: small and thinking of how big the universe was. So
Speaker 3: so yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does put you. It definitely give you some
Speaker 2: humility and a little bit different perspective on things, which
Speaker 2: I think are good things. So I would encourage everybody
Speaker 2: to go out by a.
Speaker 3: Telescope absolutely, and even if you can, because you know
Speaker 3: they're not they're not cheap, but you can certainly get
Speaker 3: a few basic ones that are really good for looking
Speaker 3: at the moon and even some of our close you know,
Speaker 3: some of our closest planets urine Us and that is
Speaker 3: very difficult to see, and it's got a very powerful telescope.
Speaker 3: But you know, like Fred said, you can go outside.
Speaker 3: You can download these apps for free. There are some
Speaker 3: great apps. You can just point your phone or your
Speaker 3: your tablabs the sky and it's how you exactly what's there,
Speaker 3: what you're looking at, what stars, you know, what consolations.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so easy today, I'm almost it feels like
Speaker 2: cheating compared to what we used to have to do
Speaker 2: with telescopes twenty thirty years ago. But yeah, it's a
Speaker 2: wonderful thing.
Speaker 3: It took me easy is actually trying to find Andromeda.
Speaker 3: I think that's oh right, I think it's M thirty one.
Speaker 3: Andromeda took me asy. Yes, it's just a little smudge.
Speaker 2: Yes, and that's a it's a globular cluster. It's fantastic actually,
Speaker 2: So I'm a huge fan of thirty one.
Speaker 3: When I get chance to get back out there, wonderful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're geeking out one on astronomy. But it's it's
Speaker 2: a it's a great hobby.
Speaker 3: It is. It is fascinating and it's good learning, even
Speaker 3: just going out there and just learning the consolations, you know,
Speaker 3: learning what you're seeing, and then you can learn which
Speaker 3: way is north and south and it's great for the
Speaker 3: young ones to learn learning stuff like that.
Speaker 2: That's right, absolutely huge fan. We have the benefit of
Speaker 2: living in Texas is that you do have a large, large,
Speaker 2: beautiful blue skies in the day and a lot of
Speaker 2: skies to look at at night. It's just you know,
Speaker 2: the cities do throw a lot of light pollution up,
Speaker 2: but there's plenty of sky to look at.
Speaker 3: The good thing. And I mean for years in the
Speaker 3: UK we had those orange street lights that would completely
Speaker 3: knock out the sky and it would give surrounding towns
Speaker 3: and cities this orange glow around, so you couldn't really
Speaker 3: see much. But the last two free years have changed.
Speaker 3: All the lights have chained, have got rid of those
Speaker 3: old style ones the sky. The pollution in the sky
Speaker 3: is a little bit better than it used to be.
Speaker 3: I must have met.
Speaker 2: I agree. I think they're doing the same thing here
Speaker 2: and it makes it a lot easier to pick up
Speaker 2: fainter objects. So that's actually a very very good thing.
Speaker 2: But it doesn't take much I know around the UK too.
Speaker 2: Once you get out into the country, things will darken
Speaker 2: up really quick and then provide some great viewing.
Speaker 3: Now, prior to your UFO sighting of this large, large triangle,
Speaker 3: did you have a particular interest in the object?
Speaker 2: So the only interest I had was from time to
Speaker 2: time would listen to arc Bell's show, and it was
Speaker 2: a passing interest. It was more for entertainment value, you know,
Speaker 2: it was interesting. I never really gave it a lot
Speaker 2: of credibility, but I thought the entertainment value was terrific,
Speaker 2: so I would listen to his show. In fact, i'd
Speaker 2: listened to it on a radio antenna that would pick
Speaker 2: up the station like a thousand miles away from here.
Speaker 2: But it's the only way I could find is his
Speaker 2: radio show. So there was just a you know, I guess,
Speaker 2: an awareness, but not so much an interest in the topic.
Speaker 2: I had kind of talked it up to sci fi
Speaker 2: talk and kind of you know, paranormal stuff that I
Speaker 2: didn't really have much belief in whatsoever. But once I
Speaker 2: saw the object, I saw everything changed immediately. And it's
Speaker 2: you know, there's something to be said about seeing as believing,
Speaker 2: and it's true because it does personalize it. But prior
Speaker 2: to it, I really didn't have much interest in nor
Speaker 2: did I give it much credibility.
Speaker 3: This site and basically opened up a whole new world
Speaker 3: for you.
Speaker 2: It did, and it made me question a lot of
Speaker 2: things at the same time. And you know, I don't
Speaker 2: know that I was ever fearful, but your mind will
Speaker 2: tend to think, okay, you know, what could be piloting
Speaker 2: such a craft and what could possibly be their intentions.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of unknown. Sometimes ignorance is bliss, and
Speaker 2: I don't think I have to know it all, but
Speaker 2: it would be nice to know a little bit more,
Speaker 2: which who knows, maybe we'll have that benefit one day.
Speaker 2: It does change things. It changes your perspective on everything
Speaker 2: that you do almost and I think about it frequently.
Speaker 2: I used to think of it every day, Now maybe
Speaker 2: every couple of days, but I still think of it again.
Speaker 2: Would love to wish I could see it again, but
Speaker 2: I have not seen it or anything else to that matter.
Speaker 3: You know, this is something that you do share with
Speaker 3: Art Bell, because he did actually have a sighting of
Speaker 3: a black triangle as well.
Speaker 2: I had heard that, and I didn't know about it
Speaker 2: until after he had passed and was listening to some
Speaker 2: of his older shows and I heard that he had
Speaker 2: come across one as well. I think his was smaller
Speaker 2: in size, but a very similar experience. But the thing
Speaker 2: that just took me back with this object was just
Speaker 2: the immense size, and it could have been further away,
Speaker 2: which meant it was even larger than how I perceived it.
Speaker 2: But I just it's hard to fathom something moving that
Speaker 2: quietly and smoothly, not making any noise, and not having
Speaker 2: any aviation lights whatsoever, any type of identification lights on it.
Speaker 2: It's hard to hard to digest.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've had quite a few past guests that have
Speaker 3: reported very large objects large two lives to be seen
Speaker 3: to be able to fly, you're certainly not alone out there.
Speaker 3: This siting comes at a time nineteen ninety four. I
Speaker 3: think that was a lot of sightings were happening around
Speaker 3: Europe at that time and parts of parts of the States.
Speaker 2: You know, it was just the beginning of the Internet era.
Speaker 2: So I didn't even have the foresight to really do
Speaker 2: any research, and so I've never reported it or anything
Speaker 2: along those lines. But it feels like that's another opportunity.
Speaker 2: You know there ever was a central database, I know
Speaker 2: you had mentioned one prior, but something that was easily
Speaker 2: accessible and people could easily report these kind of sightings.
Speaker 2: It's nice to hear that others have experienced such things
Speaker 2: because you want to connect the dots. So at least
Speaker 2: I want to try to connect the dots as much
Speaker 2: as possible.
Speaker 3: If everyone that had these sightings stood up at the
Speaker 3: time and reported them, I think it would probably be
Speaker 3: a very different story, especially with the database, if most
Speaker 3: people aren't aware that there was places to even report
Speaker 3: these sightings. So a lot, hundreds of thousands of these
Speaker 3: experiences have gone and reported, if not more, I'm sure
Speaker 3: where people just didn't know where to report. Then you
Speaker 3: have the people which were scared to report, didn't want
Speaker 3: to tell anyone because you know, they were afraid of
Speaker 3: what their friends, family members, or their peers would say.
Speaker 3: So that's another big bulk of things have gone and reported.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I think that you probably are hearing from such
Speaker 2: a small percent of the total population that has experienced something,
Speaker 2: and to your point, they're fighting to or just don't
Speaker 2: want to spend time on it, or like myself, just
Speaker 2: didn't bother to make the effort to do it. So
Speaker 2: I think there's got to be you know, hundreds of
Speaker 2: thousands of people out there who have seen things that
Speaker 2: just haven't reported them.
Speaker 3: Better late than never, you know, there's yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: if you're able to report it, if you're able to
Speaker 3: share it, do it. You know, if you're even if
Speaker 3: you're just going to go out there and tell your
Speaker 3: neighbor or your friend, do it, you know, because I'm
Speaker 3: sure they'd have certain to share as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or they'll share a strange look, one of the
Speaker 2: two which I've had, both depending upon their disposition towards this.
Speaker 2: But at my age, I don't care anymore. I'm happy
Speaker 2: to get any kind of response I can.
Speaker 3: But saying that even following that strange look, more often
Speaker 3: not person will say, well, actually.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny you mentioned that, because I have heard
Speaker 2: that a couple of times and I was I was
Speaker 2: floored to hear it, or they continued on with it. Actually,
Speaker 2: you know, I saw something. So that is nice that
Speaker 2: that's that's the kind of carrot. It's nice to get
Speaker 2: and now and again, because you do hear that from
Speaker 2: time to time if you're sharing your story do indeed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the last thing you want is to be off
Speaker 3: your neighbours Christmas card list.
Speaker 2: I don't know some of my neighbors. I'd be okay
Speaker 2: with that.
Speaker 3: Wonderful Fred, good.
Speaker 2: Job, great, Thank you, Dick, greatly appreciate it. It's been
Speaker 2: a lot of fun and I'm happy, uh feel very
Speaker 2: fortunate to have joined the rest of your listeners that
Speaker 2: have participated. So I appreciate the work that you do,
Speaker 2: and I know that you've got a lot of fans
Speaker 2: out there and encourage you to have a lot of
Speaker 2: success and continue your your program.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Fred. An ever growing list of witnesses is
Speaker 3: what it is. Wonderful people coming forward, and you know,
Speaker 3: I obviously appreciate it quite a lot, but the more
Speaker 3: the better. I don't care how many emails I get,
Speaker 3: because I get a lot anyway, but you know, keep them,
Speaker 3: keep them rolling in.
Speaker 2: Well, I tell you some of the some of the
Speaker 2: shows I've heard you do. It's been incredibly entertaining. And
Speaker 2: I felt almost guilty before being a Patreon subscriber because
Speaker 2: it's like the entertainment value is very high. I feel like,
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, I need to be contributing out some way.
Speaker 2: I get more in entertainment from your podcast than I
Speaker 2: do it with my cable TV.
Speaker 3: So I said this from the beginning that because I'm
Speaker 3: a show which is dedicated to sharing people's accounts, in
Speaker 3: the beginning, people would say to me, I'm not talking
Speaker 3: about listeners, not to my guests, the people in the
Speaker 3: field and in the podcast in world. They would say,
Speaker 3: you know, you should you charge for your content? And
Speaker 3: I would always say, I do not want to because
Speaker 3: if I start charging people, that means I'm denying I'm
Speaker 3: denying so much, so many people the chance of hearing
Speaker 3: these accounts, you know, so people in countries where they
Speaker 3: can afford five dollars for the month. So I didn't
Speaker 3: I didn't want to charge people at all. And a
Speaker 3: lot of shows now which have done that, it hasn't
Speaker 3: been that good for them, I must admit so. And
Speaker 3: there's been shows which people come, you know, these hosts,
Speaker 3: they will come to me and I will give them
Speaker 3: advice on how to make their podcasts in life a
Speaker 3: little bit more easier because obviously I had to learn
Speaker 3: everything from the completely beginning everything, and so I've had
Speaker 3: to learn the hard way and a lot of things.
Speaker 3: So I'd say to him, you know, if you know,
Speaker 3: if you keep your show honest and it's the listeners
Speaker 3: that you want, you know, if you start charging them, yeah,
Speaker 3: fair enough, you're going to get people that pay. That's
Speaker 3: you know, that's fine, but you're going to deny so
Speaker 3: many people the chance of hearing these accounts. And because
Speaker 3: because I'm predominantly dealing with witnesses, it'd be wrong for
Speaker 3: me to charge for them for people to listen to
Speaker 3: those accounts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you have it spot on. When I
Speaker 2: listen to those that are you know, have a paywall
Speaker 2: or promoting you know, special access, I just I feel
Speaker 2: like they don't get it that the reason they are
Speaker 2: where they are is that they're accessible and there's you know,
Speaker 2: people can can listen and enjoy without having to pay anything,
Speaker 2: and I can't imagine that there is a huge revenue
Speaker 2: upswing by charging people. The few that do endepth pain
Speaker 2: for that, and probably they don't pay for very long
Speaker 2: because I can't imagine that there's that much more value
Speaker 2: for paying for those sorts of things. But your model
Speaker 2: is the ideal model. And I don't mind whatsoever people
Speaker 2: promoting Patreon and other ways of supporting podcasters, because I
Speaker 2: think people want to support their favorite shows. You know,
Speaker 2: they realize, hey, you know this isn't This is someone's
Speaker 2: time and effort and energy, so you need to support it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is the perfect model.
Speaker 3: I think you're doing the right thing obviously. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: mean podcasts out overheads. In any case, I.
Speaker 2: Feel like the other podcast formats, especially in this genre,
Speaker 2: is becoming such an echo chamber where they spend so
Speaker 2: much time and effort interviewing each other and then you know,
Speaker 2: whoever's promoting their last book. It just it becomes incessant,
Speaker 2: and I just I get really tired of it. In fact,
Speaker 2: I haven't listened to many of them in a few months,
Speaker 2: But especially when there's not a whole lot of news
Speaker 2: coming out, it's yeah.
Speaker 3: Fred I really appreciate you coming on sharing that for
Speaker 3: our listeners.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no worries. Have a great rest of the holiday
Speaker 2: and hopefully we will be hearing from you soon.
Speaker 3: Certainly, take care Fred, great children checking and speech soon.
Speaker 2: All right, take care now bye for now.
Speaker 3: That's all for this week. Keep updated and connected with
Speaker 3: his show on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram. And if you
Speaker 3: have an encounter that you'd like to share on the podcast,
Speaker 3: you can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com,
Speaker 3: or you can reach out to me via the contact
Speaker 3: page on my website Ufo Chronicles podcast dot com. A
Speaker 3: big thank you to Sev and Fred for sharing tonight,
Speaker 3: and thank you all for listening. I will be back
Speaker 3: next week. Till then, stay safe and keep watching the skies. Goodbye.
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