Speaker 1: Oh, friend of the are.
Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to the show. This is the Cult
Speaker 2: of Conspiracy and my name is Jonathan Jacob and today
Speaker 2: we have a very new guest, welcome to the show
Speaker 2: for the first time, Robbie Marks.
Speaker 3: Hey, is it going pretty good? Man?
Speaker 2: Robbie. It's pleasure to meet you there, sir. And you
Speaker 2: know you've had we've had a couple of your acquaintances
Speaker 2: on the show as well, with Teresa and the New
Speaker 2: York Patriot from the Occult Rejects, and they suggested that
Speaker 2: we have a conversation with you, so it would be
Speaker 2: it would be nice to get to know you a
Speaker 2: little bit. What are the kind of things that you
Speaker 2: specialize in?
Speaker 3: Generally, I've been an artist for about the last thirty
Speaker 3: five years and kind of through the course of that,
Speaker 3: I've researched deeply into, you know, every rabbit hole you
Speaker 3: can think of. For the most part, just been kind
Speaker 3: of trying to have fun with it all and trying
Speaker 3: to learn, you know, as much as I can. Basically, Yeah, that's.
Speaker 4: You're an artist. What's your medium? Usually?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do some pencil, I do pin and in
Speaker 3: work quite a bit. I do water color. I've done
Speaker 3: a lot of water color paintings, and then I had
Speaker 3: a screen shop for about I don't know, seven or
Speaker 3: eight years, and I'm you know, with that, I'm doing
Speaker 3: merch for bands, merch for festivals, different you know, T
Speaker 3: shirts and screen printed posters and just a variety of things.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: So how did being an artist it leads you going
Speaker 5: down conspiratorial.
Speaker 3: So, I don't know, I've always been kind of conspiratorially minded,
Speaker 3: just because of kind of all like when I was
Speaker 3: in school, I didn't like school. I had a lot
Speaker 3: of problems with school. School didn't like me, and you know,
Speaker 3: I ended up you know, dropping out, flip flopping and
Speaker 3: moving around, and you know, ended up getting through college,
Speaker 3: graduating on the Dean's List with a degree in printmaking
Speaker 3: and uh drawing, and kind of had just taken my
Speaker 3: own course, took my art, have taken it out on
Speaker 3: the road. I was on Grateful Dead tour, Fish Tour,
Speaker 3: String Cheese Tour, going into the festival scene, you know,
Speaker 3: and that's basically what I've been doing for the last
Speaker 3: thirty years.
Speaker 4: Dead head there for a minute.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, the original you know, Grateful Dead with
Speaker 6: Jerry Garcia. Yeah, yeah, that was like five or six
Speaker 6: lifetimes ago, man, you know that.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, So I.
Speaker 2: Feel like those had to have been wild times back
Speaker 2: then because you hear so many people talk about like
Speaker 2: that time being a part of the Grateful Dead, like
Speaker 2: like following them, and no matter what city or state
Speaker 2: that they went to, it would just be like one
Speaker 2: massive community all like just partying together all the time
Speaker 2: like that. I don't know if you're going to see
Speaker 2: that so much for again, probably.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. And that was the thing. It was a
Speaker 3: place to go where you met all the freaks, where
Speaker 3: you had all of the different lifestyles coming.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: You had like inner city hip hop kids, you had
Speaker 3: like country bumpkins, you had like just you know, the
Speaker 3: the white suburban, the you know, everybody was there, the old,
Speaker 3: the young. It was just like this amalgamation of of
Speaker 3: you know, all all the uh subculture of of you know,
Speaker 3: wherever you were. Yeah. Yeah, And it was also an
Speaker 3: opportunity for me to be able to you know, show
Speaker 3: my wares because I would just go around in like
Speaker 3: Gorilla nd and basically uh, you know, keep an eye
Speaker 3: out for the cops and the taxman.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: So you were doing a lot of very trippy, psychedelic
Speaker 5: type of artwork at that time. I'm assuming that was
Speaker 5: when the watercolors really started to pop for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was, uh, well, that's the whole thing is
Speaker 3: I was kind of in this whole fine art kind
Speaker 3: of vibe, and I was like making my own art
Speaker 3: and selling my own art. And through the course of that,
Speaker 3: you know, different people, different bands, different groups started to
Speaker 3: ask me to do art, and so it's just been
Speaker 3: this expansive, kind of fractalne kind of career of you know,
Speaker 3: doing stuff for barbecue joints, doing stuff for I just
Speaker 3: did a piece for Pink Floyd, you know. It's yeah,
Speaker 3: so it just depends on, you know, what's going on.
Speaker 3: Done some grateful Dead stuff, various bands and.
Speaker 4: Probably one of my favorite bands of all time, to
Speaker 4: be honest with you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's I mean, they are iconic in essence,
Speaker 3: you know. Yeah, And it's you know, I'm I don't
Speaker 3: know lucky that I've gotten to do a lot of
Speaker 3: this this various stuff, you know, over the years, and
Speaker 3: uh and and so through the core of that. When
Speaker 3: the whole pandemic hit, I had like eight industry jobs
Speaker 3: that I was working on the table, and the music
Speaker 3: industry just collapsed, so I basically had zero work, and
Speaker 3: the cannabis companies actually stepped up and I started doing
Speaker 3: a lot more cannabis stuff then. But that was the
Speaker 3: point at which I had basically taken this twenty five
Speaker 3: thirty years of researching and going through all these books
Speaker 3: and decided to write a book which the editor is
Speaker 3: editing the last chapter right now, but it's basically a
Speaker 3: Nimrod the First skin Walker Let's go. Yeah, So that's
Speaker 3: that's what I and I'm doing illustrations for that now.
Speaker 3: I'm doing thirteen illustrations for the book and then the
Speaker 3: cover and just you know, creating and creat and then
Speaker 3: come the end of June, I basically head out on
Speaker 3: the road for a couple of months and just go
Speaker 3: travel around and hang out and see people and have
Speaker 3: a good time.
Speaker 2: You know, well, let's go.
Speaker 4: There's the best life here, honestly. But it's off of
Speaker 4: twenty five to.
Speaker 5: Thirty years of being in this line of works where
Speaker 5: you've been able to put yourself in this type of position.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean, and you know that's people are like, well,
Speaker 3: how do you do it? Because I've been going out
Speaker 3: on the road for thirty five years, you know, well
Speaker 3: since I was fourteen and I'm fifty three, so we're
Speaker 3: coming up on however many years that is almost forty,
Speaker 3: I guess. But it was always on a shoe string budget.
Speaker 3: You know. I would go out the door sometimes with
Speaker 3: just a couple hundred bucks in my pocket and you know,
Speaker 3: count on fate and just roll and if you run
Speaker 3: out of money, you set up and you sell some art.
Speaker 3: There was one time we were you know, we were
Speaker 3: we pretty much stuck out, got stuck at the Grand
Speaker 3: Canyon area, and I got a commission job and I
Speaker 3: got to sit on the edge of the Grand Canyon
Speaker 3: for three days working on this pencil piece for a
Speaker 3: couple that it was their anniversary and send it off
Speaker 3: and they sent me the money and we were back
Speaker 3: on the road. You know. So it's not a matter
Speaker 3: of how do you do it's just a matter you
Speaker 3: go do it.
Speaker 4: You know, you were a straight up starving artist for
Speaker 4: a good chunk of that time.
Speaker 5: But at the same time, that's exactly where you wanted
Speaker 5: to be and what you wanted to do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I didn't have a problem with any of that.
Speaker 3: And you know, I pretty much. And that was the thing,
Speaker 3: this whole tour kind of situation. It allowed me to basically,
Speaker 3: you know, kind of move around the country and kind
Speaker 3: of just hoboed my way along, you know.
Speaker 2: So yeah, well, I mean it sounds like you're quite
Speaker 2: seasoned for this kind of conversation then, And speaking of
Speaker 2: Nimrod as a potential, I'm hoping that I can get
Speaker 2: there on blonde. So I feel like the gray is
Speaker 2: going to take a little bit longer to hit me.
Speaker 2: But Jacob already got a little bit of it, and
Speaker 2: he's younger than me.
Speaker 4: I got these these two gray streaks that are starting, Yes.
Speaker 3: I got these black streaks that kind of continue down.
Speaker 4: Yes, I'm hoping Hepper hits me hard.
Speaker 5: Dude, I'm trying to look like a whole silver Fox
Speaker 5: fabio would be going on, getting close there you go nice?
Speaker 2: So, uh yeah, the the idea of this uh Nimrod,
Speaker 2: and a lot of people within uh conspiracy definitely like
Speaker 2: to bring him up. We've heard him talked about in
Speaker 2: several spheres. But actually I don't really know a whole
Speaker 2: lot about Nimrod. I mean, I know he's a biblical character.
Speaker 2: I know that he's like mentioned uh. If I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 2: He's mentioned in like, uh, like Egyptian lore and stuff
Speaker 2: like that too.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 3: Well there, if you go back and read the Old Philosophers,
Speaker 3: they talk about the fact that Nimrod is directly related
Speaker 3: with Osiris, and Nimrod is also directly related with Tamuz
Speaker 3: and with Donnis and with Addis. So you have all
Speaker 3: these and basically what it is is at the time,
Speaker 3: there's this developing religion of this dead and resurrected kind
Speaker 3: of God king or God man, and the whole Nimrod thing.
Speaker 3: You know, basically in the Bible it says that he
Speaker 3: basically was the ruler over all of Shinar and basically
Speaker 3: you know, I found what was it six kingdoms and
Speaker 3: seven seas that he ruled over. So and you find
Speaker 3: this character and he's got like he wears the Phrygian
Speaker 3: hat that you see, like the smurf hat.
Speaker 2: We literally just talked about that yesterday with Brandon Croll
Speaker 2: that like I've never heard that word in my life,
Speaker 2: and now two.
Speaker 7: Days in a row that's so string so well, and
Speaker 7: that all goes to and all of this this Nimrod
Speaker 7: kind of this cult of Nimrod, this cult of the hero,
Speaker 7: which is where we get the row which became the royalty,
Speaker 7: the French Row.
Speaker 3: So you have this tie between royalty basically linking them
Speaker 3: back to these ancient characters. And you know, and it's
Speaker 3: always to claim lineeded. You know. The Freemasons do the
Speaker 3: same thing now, tracing themselves back to taiir And and
Speaker 3: back to Syria and back to Phrygia with the Dionysians
Speaker 3: and the builders of Solomon's Temple from King Tayer, you know.
Speaker 3: So it's but all that as well, even the Freemasons,
Speaker 3: they link themselves back into this Nimrod worship and and
Speaker 3: they say the first Freemason was Nimrod and he was
Speaker 3: basically they called him nim Ahmoud, and he was the
Speaker 3: one who built things, and he he created the first brick.
Speaker 3: He's also kind of linked in with the character of
Speaker 3: Cain because Cain he was working in these fiery pits,
Speaker 3: and that kind of relates into the cult of the blacksmith.
Speaker 3: But they talk about the idea that he built the
Speaker 3: first cities and basically and then these walled cities once
Speaker 3: he built them. He's also tied in with Ferronius, who
Speaker 3: basically brought the people out of the wilderness after the
Speaker 3: flood and brought them to the fires to congregate, and
Speaker 3: then they got them to build the cities. And then
Speaker 3: once they were in the cities, you know, Nimrod was like, well,
Speaker 3: now if you want to stay in the city and
Speaker 3: be safe, you know, you have to ride for plunder
Speaker 3: with me against all. So this is the beginning of
Speaker 3: like war and the age of Aries or the ram
Speaker 3: and and so he got the you know, Nimrods riding
Speaker 3: out and conquering cities and just crucifying kings alive. And
Speaker 3: he's doing all these things. And basically, if you get
Speaker 3: into the to the older philosophers, they say those two Nimrods,
Speaker 3: a younger Nimrod and an older Nimrod. The older Nimrod
Speaker 3: is interrelated with Thoth, the Atlantean from Egypt, and the
Speaker 3: younger Nimrod is the more Nimrod that people think about.
Speaker 3: But he's the one that was at the Tower Babel
Speaker 3: that basically broke up the languages. And if you get
Speaker 3: into the Book of Invasions, which is this old Irish
Speaker 3: text that a lot of people think should be part
Speaker 3: of the Bible, it talks about after the collapse of
Speaker 3: the Tower, that Nimrod was basically over these schools that
Speaker 3: were teaching different families the different languages and then sending
Speaker 3: them out to those lands to conquer those lands. And
Speaker 3: basically so you have, you know, this diaspora of global
Speaker 3: like conquered already, you know, like this how we have
Speaker 3: the New World Order now and this idea of them
Speaker 3: trying to amalgamate the you know, the entire planet into
Speaker 3: a single Novasoro s of Chlorum or you know, new
Speaker 3: World Order. Nimrod at the time was basically trying to
Speaker 3: do the same thing. So this, you know, and he's
Speaker 3: he's looked at is kind of a very kind of
Speaker 3: sinister character. He was the rebeller who was rebelled against,
Speaker 3: you know, by his own people.
Speaker 5: And also what the literary sources is itself, right, so
Speaker 5: like the Bible of course, is going to have him
Speaker 5: painted in a certain way. His contemporaries are going to
Speaker 5: have him painted in a completely other way. So the
Speaker 5: biblical sources of him, you're looking strictly into the Book
Speaker 5: of Genesis, right, And yeah, he allegedly was the one
Speaker 5: who uh commissioned the building of the Tower of Babel right,
Speaker 5: And that's and everybody keeps saying the Tower Babyl like Babylon,
Speaker 5: and it's like, that's not It's not exactly a one Babel, right,
Speaker 5: And I mean, yes, we're talking ancient Babylon and all
Speaker 5: these things. It's kind of in the same can you know,
Speaker 5: time frame, but not exactly.
Speaker 3: And Nimrod was also the builder of the temples in
Speaker 3: Babylon as well. He came up through as Babylon. It
Speaker 3: started out as this tiny, tiny little city that was
Speaker 3: kind of insignificant, and it's uh, it's it's like worshipful
Speaker 3: God form was uh Marduke, and Nimrod's secret name was Marduke,
Speaker 3: and Marduke just means king, you know. So it just
Speaker 3: in the same thing with like Adonis. It goes back
Speaker 3: to Adon, which just means lord. So it's like how
Speaker 3: people call Jesus our lord.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: It was a title of reverence basically.
Speaker 4: No doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 5: And then he's also referred to as like the great
Speaker 5: Hunter King and some he's seen as the first man
Speaker 5: of renown. Now that also carries with it some weight
Speaker 5: because Biblical sources at least talk about the men of
Speaker 5: renown and these men of greatness, they're talking about what
Speaker 5: we would refer to as nephelin, right, which are like
Speaker 5: half demonic spawn, half human things. And I'm not saying
Speaker 5: that Nimrod was or wasn't, but it was seen in
Speaker 5: this way. And then according to the sources, he was
Speaker 5: killed by Esau, which is Abraham's grandson who bed right.
Speaker 3: And now when you look at that story of Esau
Speaker 3: coming in and beheading Nimrod, right, and it says that
Speaker 3: Esau took the garments of Nimrod, right, And if you
Speaker 3: get into the rabbinical writings, they talk about the idea
Speaker 3: that these were cloaks that were basically made from the
Speaker 3: remains of Adam and Eve. So there's this idea that
Speaker 3: and I have this argument quite a bit with people,
Speaker 3: and I've got all this info in the book, but
Speaker 3: basically they're like, well, what about these stories of the
Speaker 3: Cave of Treasures where they talk about, you know, basically
Speaker 3: making garments for them, you know, from uh And then
Speaker 3: you have the argument, well, this was in paradise, so
Speaker 3: where they're animals that were sacrificed, you know. Or and
Speaker 3: there's one rabbinical line of thinking where one of the
Speaker 3: Rabbi Elias are. He says that they use the serpent
Speaker 3: skin to basically make these these cloaks for Adam and Eve.
Speaker 3: But if you get into the oldest meaning of it
Speaker 3: within rabbinical literature, it was the idea that the body
Speaker 3: was moving from a light form into a physical form.
Speaker 3: So the word that's used is it's very close to
Speaker 3: the word life and skin. So there was this idea
Speaker 3: that that the skin that God clothed Atom with was
Speaker 3: the physical skin, so that we could exist within three
Speaker 3: dimensional reality, right, And and so what happened is, you know,
Speaker 3: even if you go back to the bush a book
Speaker 3: of Jashure, which is the sephi Yesa, right, it says
Speaker 3: it only mentions the remains of Adam, it doesn't say anything,
Speaker 3: you know. And that was written while supposedly while they
Speaker 3: were in Babylonian exile, right. But these newer texts that
Speaker 3: can there was this thing called the Controversy of Adam.
Speaker 3: And basically this was about the time when Christianity was
Speaker 3: really starting to get big, and there was there was
Speaker 3: this controversy over you know, what these skins were, what
Speaker 3: Adam and Eve were, where they came from. So you
Speaker 3: have this series of books it ends up getting written,
Speaker 3: and they called them the String of Pearls. And so
Speaker 3: you have the Cave of Treasures, you have the Book
Speaker 3: of Adam and Eve, and you have the Book of
Speaker 3: the b which actually comes almost six hundred years later,
Speaker 3: but those two specifically, and they're written about four to
Speaker 3: six hundred a d. Long after the discussions of what
Speaker 3: these skins have been and what they represented. But that
Speaker 3: was the skin that Esau took. It was it said
Speaker 3: that it smelled like paradise, right, because it was made
Speaker 3: in the dimensional lear garden. Yeah, And so basically when
Speaker 3: the animals of the earthly realm would smell the skin,
Speaker 3: they weren't afraid of the because it smelled the paradise.
Speaker 3: So all the animals would gather around Nimrod and he
Speaker 3: could just slay take whatever animals he wanted, which.
Speaker 4: Will be why he's the great hunter. I see where're
Speaker 4: you going.
Speaker 3: Which is why he's the great And he's also credited
Speaker 3: in Persian mythology with domesticating the leopard and us beginning
Speaker 3: to use dogs for the unt and you know, and
Speaker 3: then that gets kind of into the mythology of Hercules
Speaker 3: as well, with a lot of this stuff, you know.
Speaker 5: So as far as the garments that he took, this
Speaker 5: is the first time ever hearing of it being referred
Speaker 5: to as potentially skins.
Speaker 4: Now, I've heard different things. Some people say cloaks.
Speaker 5: We just had was our boy justin as a matter
Speaker 5: of fact, Jonathan who was talking about how it was
Speaker 5: the breastplate of judgment that the Rabbi class would wear,
Speaker 5: and they're saying that that might be the garment because Adam,
Speaker 5: why were supposed to be the priestly class.
Speaker 4: And all these things about their roles and all this.
Speaker 5: So I've heard things saying that possibly Nimrod took that
Speaker 5: the original priestley class breastplate of judgment and that was
Speaker 5: that he's all took back and all this stuff too.
Speaker 5: But I mean, who's to say. But yeah, I've never
Speaker 5: heard that this was the remains of Adam. I see
Speaker 5: where that could be coming from, but I've never heard
Speaker 5: of it like that before.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I found an article right here that says it's
Speaker 2: from taught bydegree dot WordPress dot com. So I don't
Speaker 2: know how relevant it is, but it says yet it
Speaker 2: was God who ultimately provided them with garments of skin
Speaker 2: before expelling them from paradise, and that could have been
Speaker 2: maybe the precursor to the lambskin apron and freemasonry.
Speaker 3: As far. Yeah, and that that apron, you can trace
Speaker 3: that back all the way into Zoroastrianism. It's it's got
Speaker 3: a long history the apron. If you read the Geneva Bible,
Speaker 3: they say that God put Adam and Eve in briches. So,
Speaker 3: you know, there's a lot of different stories. But when
Speaker 3: you take it back to the furthest point of the
Speaker 3: original vernacular, it basically entakes the idea that we were
Speaker 3: clothed with skin to be able to descend into matter.
Speaker 3: And then the thing is with this whole idea of
Speaker 3: Nimrod being a skin walker, right, it's Madam Blovotsky and
Speaker 3: isis Unveiled volume one. She says at the age of
Speaker 3: twenty two that Nimrod puts these skins on and become
Speaker 3: and basically becomes the man of great renown. So that
Speaker 3: is the point, because up until that point, Nimrod was
Speaker 3: sacrificing to the Lord. He was bringing the best of
Speaker 3: the you know, so he was on the side of
Speaker 3: but it was once he put these skins on that
Speaker 3: he kind of became you know this this gooborum.
Speaker 2: So this is where you're getting the idea that he
Speaker 2: was a skin walker because he was quite literally wearing
Speaker 2: skin that.
Speaker 3: Or a cloak even potentially Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 2: So let's say that he was wearing the actual the
Speaker 2: actual skin of Adam, right, I mean, what does that do?
Speaker 2: Does it give you some kind does it shield you
Speaker 2: from God? Or is that why he turned against God
Speaker 2: and started, you know, going down the bad path or whatever.
Speaker 2: Because you were just saying that he was kind of
Speaker 2: on the good side, and then as soon as he
Speaker 2: you know, put these garments of skin possibly onto his body,
Speaker 2: then he kinda went to the dark side.
Speaker 3: So to say, right, very much Star Wars analogous kind
Speaker 3: of thing with you know, like Anakin flipping the script,
Speaker 3: you know. But yeah, basically, and that was when he
Speaker 3: became the ruler over all of Mesopotamy. And you know
Speaker 3: he he's basically the lord of the Canniballs. The Canniballs
Speaker 3: were the priests of Ball, you know, and and there
Speaker 3: was you know, all of the miscellaneous uh you know,
Speaker 3: blood magic and anibalism, and you know the picture you
Speaker 3: see in Revelations where there is the sun, the lady
Speaker 3: clothed by the sun giving birth, and the the red
Speaker 3: dragon is there, you know, basically to devour the infant.
Speaker 3: That is a literal description of Nimrod, the black fiery
Speaker 3: serpent from ancient Babylon. So you know, tying that into
Speaker 3: modern you know, revelations and apocalypse and kind of so
Speaker 3: this character of Nimrod, he's kind of really woven into
Speaker 3: you know a lot of and you even see him
Speaker 3: in money Tunes cartoons, you know, with Bugs Bunny and
Speaker 3: Elmer Fudd, you know, calling or Daffy Duck calling people Nimrod.
Speaker 5: You know, yeah, they became a colloquialism for for basically
Speaker 5: a dumb ass.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a it was a Green Day album
Speaker 2: called Nimrod, right.
Speaker 5: And that's yes, that's a modern English vernacular, we get that.
Speaker 5: But also there's there's a chain of Vince that went
Speaker 5: from this guy being the first man of greatness and
Speaker 5: the greatest huntsman for the Lord to now his name
Speaker 5: means somebody of low.
Speaker 4: Iq, you know what I mean. He was a far
Speaker 4: line there.
Speaker 3: Liked it was because he was the rebeller who was
Speaker 3: rebelled against. He basically rebelled against the system that he
Speaker 3: was under, and because of the way he treated his people,
Speaker 3: they rebelled against him. So he was kind of a
Speaker 3: dumbass in that way. But the thing is, when you
Speaker 3: look at Nimrod in relation to the idea of Ninnis
Speaker 3: or young nin, which is where nine inch nails gets
Speaker 3: their ni n relates back to Nimrod right as as
Speaker 3: young when Nimrod was young, he was called nin n
Speaker 3: i n. But nonetheless, that character ties in with tam Ouz,
Speaker 3: ties in with Addis, ties in with all of these
Speaker 3: an osiers as well. You know, all of these god
Speaker 3: formed men that were cut up that were you know,
Speaker 3: like and they like the worshipers, you know, they would
Speaker 3: clip their hair so you would get like you see
Speaker 3: Friar Tuck with the round tunture. That was in relation
Speaker 3: to the worship of Nimrod or this ancient mystery force.
Speaker 3: Because what happens is this the whole thing kind of
Speaker 3: goes underground at a certain point, and that's when you
Speaker 3: get the rise of these various mystery schools. They kind
Speaker 3: of are are, you know, worshiping the Adonis and Addis,
Speaker 3: and so it creates the foundation of what would become
Speaker 3: within modern times, the Freemasons, the Rosicrucians, the Jesuits, you know,
Speaker 3: all these orders kind of tying in with you know,
Speaker 3: because ignacious Loyola even was into the Sofia mystery schools.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so, I mean, especially like we said, we have
Speaker 5: to it depends on which source you're reading, right, because
Speaker 5: there are some sources that say that he was Nimrod
Speaker 5: himself was I think the grandson of Noah.
Speaker 4: He was one of the sons of.
Speaker 5: Ham which went to Africa and all these things, the
Speaker 5: land of Kush, and that's one storyline. There's another storyline
Speaker 5: that says that he was a direct ascendant of Osiris.
Speaker 5: And it really depends on especially in our modern day
Speaker 5: when we have all the access to all this information.
Speaker 5: We're looking at the mystery cults and the mystery schools
Speaker 5: and what this Lauren legends say. Do we go off
Speaker 5: of this book, do we go off of this text,
Speaker 5: do we go off of this culture? It varies source
Speaker 5: to source, sod but everybody think he was a real
Speaker 5: dude that was the king during the time framing question.
Speaker 3: Yes, potentially, or a title of a king that was
Speaker 3: passed down through multiple generations. But if you look at
Speaker 3: the you know, within the Albert Mackie's Freemasonic Encyclopedia, right,
Speaker 3: he talks about Osiris as going out and edifying the
Speaker 3: world with this train of satyrs and nymphs behind him,
Speaker 3: and he's basically teaching you know, architecture and you know
Speaker 3: weights and measures and so and that's the same thing
Speaker 3: Dionysus was doing, you know, so all of these But
Speaker 3: the description of Nimrod and what he did is the
Speaker 3: same as the description of Osiris and what he did
Speaker 3: is the same in a lot of ways is what
Speaker 3: Cain did. So you have you know, in some ways,
Speaker 3: I think that when you go back into the Egyptian
Speaker 3: mysteries and thought basically writing, creating reality, writing it into existence, right,
Speaker 3: that thought almost is writing these characters that he's writing
Speaker 3: himself as numerous characters that are playing a passion play
Speaker 3: or a theater with one another. That that and it
Speaker 3: is a passion play essentially, that we're learning about the
Speaker 3: mysteries of these concepts and these ideas, right, And and
Speaker 3: you bring that into the uh the Tyrians, the Tyrians
Speaker 3: who helped King Solomon with the temple that were the
Speaker 3: gibb them of the earth, that the Freemasons traced themselves
Speaker 3: back to right, they became the Dionysians coming into Greece
Speaker 3: and they over you know, so they were like a
Speaker 3: libertine kind of government, like they overthrew the current order
Speaker 3: wherever they went, and they built these temples, these sacred spaces,
Speaker 3: and they also built the theaters, so they were putting
Speaker 3: on these passion plays for the communities, you know, and
Speaker 3: you just can see it expanding through and you know,
Speaker 3: the philosophers of the time talk about, well, Dionysus is
Speaker 3: basically you know, ties in with Addis, and so you
Speaker 3: just see constantly how there's the rebranding of this these ideas,
Speaker 3: these occult mystery schools kind of through time as they
Speaker 3: progress from Southeast Asia into Greece into becoming the apex
Speaker 3: of you know, the Roman religion, and then the fall
Speaker 3: of Rome and again they go underd and now you've
Speaker 3: got David Bloomberg, you know, getting that Temple of Mythris
Speaker 3: and rebuilding it, you know, and you've got just you know,
Speaker 3: from you know, the Obelisk stone in the un Building
Speaker 3: to the Capital Dome of the United States being the
Speaker 3: pregnant belly of Isis with the apotheosis of George Washington
Speaker 3: turning into a god. You just see these these amalgamated forms,
Speaker 3: you know, kind of in everything around us.
Speaker 2: Really, yeah, everything seems so simple. And you know, me
Speaker 2: and Jacob were the way that we kind of like
Speaker 2: to view a lot of this kind of spiritual and
Speaker 2: historical kind of stuff is he's more exoteric. I'm more
Speaker 2: of the esoteric variety. He loves the historical context of it.
Speaker 2: And this guy came from this guy, and well this
Speaker 2: had to have happened and stuff, And I think that
Speaker 2: there's absolutely a place for that. And I think that
Speaker 2: you know, you were talking about how he was kind
Speaker 2: of involved Nimrov was kind of involved in the mystery
Speaker 2: schools and stuff like that. So that leads me to go, well,
Speaker 2: I mean, there has there had to have been some
Speaker 2: kind of esoteric It's like kind of a Culton mystery
Speaker 2: school of some kind of teaching that was going on there,
Speaker 2: and whether he was actually you know, because you had
Speaker 2: mentioned about how there's two different possible Nimrods here. Maybe
Speaker 2: there was the one that was kind of relating back
Speaker 2: to the Thoth times, and then there's the one that's
Speaker 2: relating to the Noah Times. And do you think that
Speaker 2: the stories did they interconnect or are we talking about
Speaker 2: two completely separate individuals here or does it even matter
Speaker 2: if you're looking at it from a mystery school perspective.
Speaker 3: I think there are a vast number of connections you
Speaker 3: can make. But what I think happens is as it
Speaker 3: kind of fans out and moves through these different cultures.
Speaker 3: Like so if you take Addis, right, he was known
Speaker 3: as the tall standing pine tree, right, But then you
Speaker 3: go back to a Cyrus and he was known as
Speaker 3: the tall standing fir tree. So it was dependent upon
Speaker 3: the local you know, things that were available to them,
Speaker 3: that kind of and and you know, you've got cases
Speaker 3: where you can see they're bringing in like Mother Kybell
Speaker 3: or Kibili and Addis into certain areas. And what they
Speaker 3: would do is they would overlay the fertility goddess with Kibli, right,
Speaker 3: And then in a couple of years later, and this
Speaker 3: is what they did in Rome as well, was they
Speaker 3: brought Kibili in from Phrygia, and she, you know, got
Speaker 3: her temple on the Palatine Hill, right, and she's an
Speaker 3: old goddess, right. She goes back to before I think
Speaker 3: to a different, different time when the polestar was worshiped
Speaker 3: and essentially she was considered as the mother of all
Speaker 3: the gods. So when she got to Rome, all of
Speaker 3: the Roman gods were consolidated and started to participate in
Speaker 3: her rituals. That's when you have the tabulum where they
Speaker 3: would you know, cut the bull's neck and you'd have
Speaker 3: the person underneath that would get showered in the in
Speaker 3: the blood of the bull, and and you know, so
Speaker 3: all of these and you would see, uh, you would
Speaker 3: see mars and ares practices coming into Mother Kibili. But
Speaker 3: then they brought the Addis cult after that, After Mother
Speaker 3: Kibbilei was established, the other half, which had been transitioning
Speaker 3: through Dionysus, actually comes in. And at first Rome was
Speaker 3: really appalled because you know, they're doing these transgressive things.
Speaker 3: There's like lots of uh, you know, cutting and blood involved,
Speaker 3: and uh it's uh you know so, but over time
Speaker 3: attas became totally normalized, you know. So again you can
Speaker 3: see how these things move through the cultures and are
Speaker 3: rebranded through the transitions based on the local you know,
Speaker 3: fauna and flora and the symbols that they can use
Speaker 3: that that are equivalent per se.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, I I just I I love looking into
Speaker 2: the esoteric variety of it and trying to understand, like,
Speaker 2: all right, the the the mystery school aspect here, like
Speaker 2: were these things and these people and their special powers?
Speaker 2: Are there their god like abilities? Like were these symbolic
Speaker 2: of something that they could use within their practice or
Speaker 2: you know? Or or were they? I mean, I don't
Speaker 2: know what do we think about Greek gods and goddesses
Speaker 2: and stuff like that? Is it fiction, fable reality? I
Speaker 2: mean most people would probably say that it's more myth
Speaker 2: than reality. Right.
Speaker 4: They thought it was real though.
Speaker 5: They didn't think they were praying to Hermes in a metaphor.
Speaker 5: They thought they were absolutely making a sacrifice to him,
Speaker 5: or to Zeus or to Neptune.
Speaker 4: Now cut to Rome, well as Mercury and Jupiter and
Speaker 4: Mars the same shit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And when you get into that, what's
Speaker 3: really interesting is, uh so these within the mystery schools,
Speaker 3: they're also linked in with these different prophetic organizations. As
Speaker 3: far as the Sibiline oracle, as far as you know,
Speaker 3: there was an oracle of the Donna that was to Zeus.
Speaker 3: There was oracles in Egypt. A lot of this stuff
Speaker 3: has the ritual of the mystery school, but also ties
Speaker 3: in with the idea of ecstatic prophecy. Right. What you
Speaker 3: see in in the Hebrew culture a lot what you
Speaker 3: see in the Greek culture a lot fate, you know,
Speaker 3: moving into Rome. But that was the whole thing. These uh,
Speaker 3: these oracles, they were a re combinant brought back to
Speaker 3: life of the ancient Chaldean oracles and these Chaldean oracles
Speaker 3: and this is in Babylon, right, But they would basically
Speaker 3: do these certain rituals to summon up energies to basically
Speaker 3: commune with these very much like the breastplate of judgment
Speaker 3: that we were talking about earlier. I feel it was
Speaker 3: a sort of like a Oiji board almost where they
Speaker 3: were using this as a mechanism to basically talk to
Speaker 3: entities in other realms, you know. So so when you
Speaker 3: get into that, the Chaldean or or were all dedicated
Speaker 3: to a lot of the Greek, the Greek different gods
Speaker 3: kind of had crossover. But and then when you look
Speaker 3: at Zeus and the overthrow of the Titans, that story
Speaker 3: actually goes back to Kombari and another overthrow story that
Speaker 3: kind of from the Aah atall Mountains that kind of
Speaker 3: came down in and became the title Mancy of the Greeks,
Speaker 3: so you see all and it's just like the David
Speaker 3: and Goliath story in Judaism, right, you can relate that
Speaker 3: back to a further story of a young kid flinging
Speaker 3: a stone and killing a giant that goes, you know,
Speaker 3: thousands of years earlier than the story of David. So
Speaker 3: all of these stories that have a tendency to repeat them,
Speaker 3: you know, over and over. And is it, like Jesus said,
Speaker 3: is it a parable? It's something that's teaching us that
Speaker 3: has an inherent message that that we need to learn,
Speaker 3: you know, or are these actual you know, real gods
Speaker 3: fighting in the heavens?
Speaker 2: And you know, I mean even if they are, like
Speaker 2: let's just say that some of the Greek gods or
Speaker 2: whatever are actually real, Like all right, well, what kind
Speaker 2: of effect does that have on us with the information
Speaker 2: that we have on them? You know, like we're not
Speaker 2: going to really have any major effect on if the
Speaker 2: gods are fighting in heaven so to say, But it seems.
Speaker 3: Within the esoteric philosophy as above so below, as in
Speaker 3: heaven soul on Earth. So there's been even within Christianity,
Speaker 3: you know, and Jesus says, you know, the stars in
Speaker 3: the heavens will show you the sign of the times,
Speaker 3: you know. So it's inherent within the esoteric philosophies that
Speaker 3: have developed. You know that each of these gods is
Speaker 3: directly related to a planet, you know. But that's the
Speaker 3: other thing. You have this idea of apophiosis right where
Speaker 3: some of the temples in Egypt and Greece, like Hippocrates,
Speaker 3: how he has the finger over his lips, you know,
Speaker 3: to keep silent. That's really if you read the old philosophers,
Speaker 3: they say that basically the secret was that these god
Speaker 3: men were actually men of great renown that had died
Speaker 3: and had become worshiped and turned into God's. So you
Speaker 3: have this idea of apotheosis and the same yeah, the
Speaker 3: same thing in Washington, d C. With George Washington in
Speaker 3: the Capitol Dome. The name of that painting is the
Speaker 3: Apotheosis of George Washington. And as a culture in America,
Speaker 3: in a lot of ways, we have turned George Washington
Speaker 3: as a founding father with all the mystic stories, you know,
Speaker 3: into a sort of godhead that created our nation, you know.
Speaker 3: So these are things that that, yes, or esoteric, but
Speaker 3: also directly apply to how physical reac is manifest by
Speaker 3: capturing people's imagination and using belief systems.
Speaker 5: See that through multiple cultures too, or especially around the Mediterranean.
Speaker 5: There was a very common practice in Rome for a
Speaker 5: good while there that once the Caesar, first of all,
Speaker 5: the Caesar should be worshiped as if he was a
Speaker 5: god on earth.
Speaker 4: Not all caesars did.
Speaker 5: That, but good chunk of them didn't pope direct connection.
Speaker 5: Then you had some of these guys that would have
Speaker 5: statues of themselves built and put into the temples all
Speaker 5: around the Mediterrane, from Egypt to Anatolia to everywhere, and
Speaker 5: you would have you could say the term mystery cult.
Speaker 5: But at that point it wasn't exactly a mystery. It
Speaker 5: was usually for the sportily class who were worshiping their
Speaker 5: generals and Caesars as demi gods in their own rights.
Speaker 5: And I mean that was something that the Romans did
Speaker 5: for sure. The Greeks did a version of that, if
Speaker 5: I'm not mistaken. I mean, and they didn't just come
Speaker 5: up with that on their own. So having these people
Speaker 5: that lived and walked the earth, even within at the
Speaker 5: time current living memory to become I forget the way
Speaker 5: you're not a pathosis apotheosis to become a demi god
Speaker 5: like that was absolutely a part of it, dude.
Speaker 2: That's another example of that too, is I always like
Speaker 2: to mention that, uh autobiography of a yogi, it's Paramahansa
Speaker 2: Yogananda and his yogi was called Shri yuk de Shwar
Speaker 2: and like he would he actually lived, you know, uh
Speaker 2: like was trained by him in real life. And uh
Speaker 2: like Shri you Deshwar was obviously older than him. He
Speaker 2: was the yogi, he was the teacher. And anyway, Sar
Speaker 2: he ends up dying, right and uh, Paramahansa he ends
Speaker 2: up going to his funeral and he's there for the
Speaker 2: whole ceremony and everything, and like later that day or
Speaker 2: a couple of days later or something like that, he's
Speaker 2: up in his room and Shrike de Shoar, he says,
Speaker 2: comes to him, and he's like there almost as if
Speaker 2: he's there in the flesh. And this was a guy
Speaker 2: that he was meditating with and learning, you know, all
Speaker 2: that there is to be learned within yoga, mysticism and whatnot.
Speaker 2: But like I wonder if that's kind of an example
Speaker 2: of like like an apotheosis.
Speaker 3: Well, and you have Jesus when he's resurrected as well,
Speaker 3: you know, he comes back in a pure form and
Speaker 3: he says, don't touch me because you'll you'll, you know,
Speaker 3: pollute my spirit body, you know. So yeah, there is
Speaker 3: some inherent and then you have the idea of you
Speaker 3: know about the thirteenth breath rainbow body of the Buddhists,
Speaker 3: where basically you're taught the first twelve breaths and then
Speaker 3: you've learned by mastering those twelve, the consciousness of the
Speaker 3: universe basically teaches you the thirteenth and then you can
Speaker 3: ascend and become pure rainbow light without having to die,
Speaker 3: much like Enoch or you know, all these characters.
Speaker 2: Shit, yeah, I have never even heard of that. Now
Speaker 2: I gotta do a whole Metamisteries episode on.
Speaker 3: So but yeah, that's the whole thing. And I think, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, you go back far enough within the philosophies,
Speaker 3: and they believe that when you died, you would go
Speaker 3: to shol you'd go to this mediary place where you
Speaker 3: waited for the end of time, right, and with the
Speaker 3: arise of these mystery schools from Mithrs to you know,
Speaker 3: Attis being taken to Mount Olympus by Kibili and Apotheo
Speaker 3: size you start, what you start to see is the
Speaker 3: inherent nature of humanity, believing in higher forms of existence,
Speaker 3: and and that basically matriculating through and eventually becoming modern
Speaker 3: you know, Christianity.
Speaker 2: So it's essentially like an eggergre at that point, right
Speaker 2: in a way. Yeah, yeah, in that sense. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: that's that's wild, dude. I love learning about this stuff
Speaker 2: just out of curiosity, Like how did you I mean,
Speaker 2: you're an artist, how did you come across all this
Speaker 2: kind of information? Like is it just like a fascination
Speaker 2: or what did you.
Speaker 5: Go from starving artists deadhead on the road following game?
Speaker 4: You being so well versed in the ancients, you know.
Speaker 3: Well that's the whole thing. So as an artist, I'm
Speaker 3: interested in symbolism. So you follow these symbols back and
Speaker 3: you're like, well, this is crazy, this is wild, this
Speaker 3: is weird, this is cool, and and so you start
Speaker 3: to seek out information on the cultures that were using
Speaker 3: those symbols, and so, you know, you start reading history,
Speaker 3: you start reading esoteric philosophy, you start reading the philosophers
Speaker 3: and and and just trying to piece these things together
Speaker 3: as a holistic kind of story, you know. So basically,
Speaker 3: over the last thirty years, on top of reading, I've
Speaker 3: also been able to listen to audiobooks. I have a
Speaker 3: couple apps. I have air Natural Reader and I have
Speaker 3: a soft Zen Reader. It's just a text to speech app, right,
Speaker 3: And if there's if anybody knows of one out there
Speaker 3: for the Android, because these are both for for iPhone.
Speaker 3: But I got a friend looking for the Android version
Speaker 3: of this so that they can take advantage of this
Speaker 3: as well. But once you have one of those apps,
Speaker 3: the text to speech apps, you can go to archive
Speaker 3: dot org. You can go to Congress Library at Congress,
Speaker 3: you know, and you can go to these different library
Speaker 3: the Gutenberg project, and you can find PDFs of these
Speaker 3: books or text you know, files of these books, and
Speaker 3: you just drop them in the app. And then while
Speaker 3: I'm sitting here doing art, I'm like studying ancient philosophy
Speaker 3: for like thirty years.
Speaker 2: Just getting in the fucking zone over there, dude.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: What, we probably need something like that to get through
Speaker 2: all those damn JFK files because I'm not about to
Speaker 2: sit there and read sixty thousand fucking pages.
Speaker 5: You know, I've been doing my digging on that, and
Speaker 5: we will release an episode on it soon.
Speaker 4: I hate to break into everybody.
Speaker 5: Sixty thousand pages released, fifty thousand of them have nothing
Speaker 5: to do with anything.
Speaker 4: That really matters. So here's here's what happened on that.
Speaker 5: I'm not going to spend a long diet tribal on
Speaker 5: this one, but just so everybody's clear here, every single
Speaker 5: document associated with the Warren Commission got thrown in that
Speaker 5: file for the next twenty years. Every document that even
Speaker 5: had the name Kennedy on it got thrown in this file.
Speaker 5: So of the sixty thousand that just got released, half
Speaker 5: of them aren't even first person accounts. Half of them
Speaker 5: don't even actually apply. There's maybe ten thousand, give or
Speaker 5: take pages that are like of worth that we could
Speaker 5: look into.
Speaker 4: And some of them are great.
Speaker 5: Some of them have some bombshells about Lee Harvey and
Speaker 5: his communeistic ties. Some of them have some three letter
Speaker 5: agencies that are implemented. Some of them talk about the
Speaker 5: cover up, no doubt, the vast majority of them are
Speaker 5: just like filler shit, and it's it's frustrating as hell.
Speaker 2: I think that's probably what you get with. I don't know,
Speaker 2: is that a freedom of information thing or was that
Speaker 2: just an executive order?
Speaker 5: Yeah, information only goes if it's free to the public.
Speaker 5: So like, if there's still something that's considered top secret,
Speaker 5: you can't put in a foyer request and get that release,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. The candy stuff was listed
Speaker 5: as that up until recently.
Speaker 2: Well, I just I know that, or I've heard other
Speaker 2: people trying to request, you know, certain foyas and stuff
Speaker 2: like that, and they say, you know, you have to
Speaker 2: be real specific. It's almost like whenever you go to
Speaker 2: the Vatican Library, you have to name the exact book
Speaker 2: that you're looking for us they won't get it to
Speaker 2: you right and spelling.
Speaker 3: You know the fact that when you going through these texts,
Speaker 3: you find nim a Mood, you find Nimrod, you find
Speaker 3: nimu Roud, you find just so even if you're looking,
Speaker 3: you know, are you looking for Lee Harvey Oswald? Are
Speaker 3: you looking for the Oswald or you know, the whole
Speaker 3: two Oswald's kind of thing, It's like it's like, you know, yeah, it's.
Speaker 5: Oh comma could throw off the entire thing. Harvey, Kama
Speaker 5: Oswald Oswald comma leeve, Harley, Harvey, did you forget that comma?
Speaker 5: Now we're looking for some guy with the first name Oswald,
Speaker 5: last name Harvey. That one little thing and they'll they'll
Speaker 5: give you what they'll find.
Speaker 3: Nothing nothing right. Yeah, Well, and if you go back
Speaker 3: to uh when they found in uh, what was it
Speaker 3: when they found the new ma leash basically the the
Speaker 3: all the baked clay tablets of the Sumerians. You know,
Speaker 3: they took all those back to not all of them,
Speaker 3: they're still digging them out, but they took like one
Speaker 3: hundred thousand of them back to England and most of
Speaker 3: them were John traded and for you gold pecks and
Speaker 3: you know wheat deal and like it's like you know.
Speaker 5: Receipt right, stuff like is awesome. Don't get me on.
Speaker 5: Because we know how to read the cuneiform b language.
Speaker 5: It gives us a real good snapshot of what life
Speaker 5: was like, which is awesome. But people were like, oh,
Speaker 5: this is the greatest techno, the greatest information.
Speaker 4: Ever and that it's like, dude, it's a receipt.
Speaker 2: Well, it's also pretty cool to see what ship was
Speaker 2: worth if you're trading something, trading this for that, you
Speaker 2: know the value in certain things.
Speaker 3: But within all of those those baked clad tablets, they
Speaker 3: found the Epic of Gilgamesh, just one little nugget, you know,
Speaker 3: and it's not very long, you know, And they found
Speaker 3: a couple other little stories here and there. So you know,
Speaker 3: as we go through and we have AI translating these tablets,
Speaker 3: now you know, we may come up with new mythologies,
Speaker 3: new passion plays news stores, because you figure the those
Speaker 3: just came out and we have you know about what
Speaker 3: was it the over there that that old calendar site
Speaker 3: that Graham Hancock talks about that's twenty thousand years older
Speaker 3: than Bagley Tepe and that is actually called Inky's Calendar,
Speaker 3: and Inkley Inky is directly related in as well with Nimrons.
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know that, yeah.
Speaker 5: Talking about that tablet in specific. There's no complete story
Speaker 5: of the Epic of Gilgamesh that we know of, but
Speaker 5: there's one that is the most complete.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: It's got a couples that were broken off and stuff.
Speaker 5: Y'all remember hearing about that controversy with the couple that
Speaker 5: owns big lots that they oh, man. So they were
Speaker 5: buying all of these really specific clay tablets from the
Speaker 5: Sameari and all this stuff. One of the ones and
Speaker 5: it was like, I forget how many millions of dollars
Speaker 5: they spent on this tablet and then come to find
Speaker 5: out they weren't even legally allowed to buy it.
Speaker 4: So it was this controversy. They got sued.
Speaker 5: They bought the most fleet tablet of the Epic of Gilgamesh,
Speaker 5: which was crazy because they're very overtly evangelical Christians, so
Speaker 5: why would they spend all of this money on that.
Speaker 4: It was so fascinating when that came out. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: it's wild ship.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well and what was it in the Hillary Clinton
Speaker 3: emails how she was looking for the Gilgamesh resurrection chamber
Speaker 3: or something along.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the tomb or some shit like that, right, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, you know, it's just interesting how all this
Speaker 3: stuff and and within the schools of magic, within the
Speaker 3: you know, all of the these magical schools come out
Speaker 3: of ancient Samaria, ancient Babylon, you know, coming through all
Speaker 3: these various forms and you know the different schools, you know,
Speaker 3: fire Wars, it's like, uh, what's it? The uh, the
Speaker 3: kids show there with then Little Ninja Kid where it's
Speaker 3: like Fireworld and the Fire Warriors against the Water Warriors.
Speaker 4: And oh it's our last Araben. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so very in very many ways. You know, we
Speaker 3: have these different schools that have emerged that are trying
Speaker 3: to vie for power in the modern you know, age,
Speaker 3: and it's it's quite interesting, and.
Speaker 5: It would makes sense to me that it would come
Speaker 5: from that section of the world, especially at the time
Speaker 5: when it did, because the Middle East as a whole
Speaker 5: is the crossroads of that entire hemisphere. Right Everything from Africa,
Speaker 5: if they're trying to go north, will eventually pass through
Speaker 5: this area.
Speaker 4: Everything from Europe, everything from Asia, all the stuff.
Speaker 5: So when you look at ancient Persia, ancient Babylon, ancient Samaria,
Speaker 5: that entire section right there smacked even ancient Egypt. It's
Speaker 5: also the crossroads of all of these things to Africa.
Speaker 5: You pick up a little bit of this and a
Speaker 5: little bit of that along the way you apply it.
Speaker 5: And I think that's also kind of where we get
Speaker 5: the silk Row religion, the mythrays. It was kind of
Speaker 5: an amalgamation of all these things that became its own
Speaker 5: subset in and of itself, so it makes a lot
Speaker 5: of sense for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Mithra, if you trace Mithra back, that goes
Speaker 3: all the way back to the proto Aryan Scythians and
Speaker 3: dips it. Part of it dips down into India, and
Speaker 3: then part of it comes across and goes into Greece.
Speaker 3: And then during that whole time, Mithro was more associated
Speaker 3: with the light of day and basically he was the
Speaker 3: in charge of contracts and then in charge of like
Speaker 3: uh crossroad. He was the original god of the crossroads.
Speaker 3: But nonetheless, when you trace it up, there was never
Speaker 3: any bull sacrifice in it. But then when the Romans
Speaker 3: got it, I think they went back to ancient a Jura,
Speaker 3: Mazda and Adiman and that that story basically about them
Speaker 3: slaying the cosmic bull, and then the blood of that
Speaker 3: bull became all the life on earth in Rome. You know,
Speaker 3: That's when you bring it when it became a military
Speaker 3: cult essentially, I think that they started doing the bull
Speaker 3: slaying and then it changed from the light of day
Speaker 3: to the worship of Lucifer at that point.
Speaker 5: And it's also crazy to me that, like you said,
Speaker 5: the proto Aryan side of things, which would be what
Speaker 5: we would now call the Persians or the our Astrians
Speaker 5: or modern day.
Speaker 4: Iran, right, all these things.
Speaker 5: Somehow, some German dudes in the turn of the nineteenth
Speaker 5: century or twentieth center, i should say, heard proto Aryan
Speaker 5: and was like, yep, tall, blonde, blue eyed guys, never
Speaker 5: mind the fact that fucking Persian and definitely didn't have
Speaker 5: any of those features, Like hell yeah, and it was
Speaker 5: I think it was.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 5: Think you're right about the bull sacrifice too, because, like
Speaker 5: you said, the proto Aryan they dipped into India.
Speaker 4: No Indian culture is going to tell you to slay
Speaker 4: a bull. Sorry, that's not gonna happen. But the Romans, however, absolutely.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're all about some bull. Well, and that that
Speaker 3: ties back in with the Serapian bull. There was the
Speaker 3: Tyrian bull in Greece. There's been, you know, a long
Speaker 3: chain of these various bulls, and in early India there
Speaker 3: was actually some sacrifice on key days, you know, based
Speaker 3: on the movements of the heavens in accordance with the
Speaker 3: cosmic turnings. But that has slowly been phased out.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, interesting.
Speaker 5: So okay, so you as an artist, that's how you
Speaker 5: got started all this.
Speaker 4: You're looking for the symbolism, and I.
Speaker 5: Guess if we're gonna really put a title on it,
Speaker 5: we're talking like sigils and sigil magic and things like that.
Speaker 5: And I could see how an artist would look at
Speaker 5: these things and then make their connections to this as well.
Speaker 5: But how much of your research into the ancient things
Speaker 5: and the old things was And I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 5: try to phrase this, and I don't want this to
Speaker 5: sound like I'm being any type of way here, but
Speaker 5: especially you being a deadhead and following fish and all
Speaker 5: the psychedelic and trippy art that you I'm sure have
Speaker 5: major bread and butter on for the past few decades,
Speaker 5: how much of it was influenced in that way as
Speaker 5: far as psychedelic trance states of life into the ancient
Speaker 5: mysticism and then into your artwork as well.
Speaker 3: Right, And you know when you get into Shiva, Yeah,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of cannabis culture. When you get into
Speaker 3: the mystery schools. Dionysus would dip his thersus in a
Speaker 3: blue honey and anoint the main ads and they would
Speaker 3: go into a state of madness or giastic madness, and
Speaker 3: then you get into John Aleegra researching as far as
Speaker 3: the Dead Sea scrolls, there was proof that the scenes
Speaker 3: were growing silossope mushrooms in caves, which Jesus was a
Speaker 3: member of the scenes, and that kind of gets into
Speaker 3: melchiesa deck and melchiesa deck was he was carried into
Speaker 3: the heavens after his birth before the flood, in accordance
Speaker 3: with the third second book of Enoch and basically the
Speaker 3: the Hebrews of that time, they believe that it was
Speaker 3: this intrinsic force that what they call they called it
Speaker 3: the UH, there was a word for it, but it
Speaker 3: would basically come in and you would become it. So
Speaker 3: I think there was you know, going through these cultures,
Speaker 3: you see lots and lots of uses of psychedelics, different
Speaker 3: types of The Scithians had two types of hash. They
Speaker 3: had a brown hash that was cannabis and they had
Speaker 3: a red hash that was opioid based. So you know,
Speaker 3: but that's the whole thing, all of these UH different
Speaker 3: groups and these prophets, these this ecstatic prophecy and entering
Speaker 3: into ecstatic states for communing with the perceived Godhead. You know,
Speaker 3: I think that UH that ties in to a great
Speaker 3: extent with what is going on in psychedelic culture now
Speaker 3: is these kids are you know, and adults, even the
Speaker 3: people that are that are participating in this, are doing
Speaker 3: this to have some sort of connection to the divine
Speaker 3: turnings of the of whatever this reality is.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. And you know a good example of
Speaker 2: that would be The Doors of Perception by Aldus Huxley.
Speaker 2: And he was I mean, I can't remember which drug
Speaker 2: he was hallucinating on. It was something that nobody mescaline, masculine,
Speaker 2: that's right, yeah, yeah, and he wrote a whole book
Speaker 2: on it. Uh And and actually, from what I understand,
Speaker 2: that's where Jim Morrison got the idea for the name
Speaker 2: of the Doors was because of the Doors of Perception.
Speaker 3: And if you look in Alice Huxley's Mokeshot book, he
Speaker 3: specifically talks about we have to find a substitute for
Speaker 3: blood ritual and blood magic and the drinking of blood.
Speaker 3: And there's all these adrenochrome studies that are going on
Speaker 3: around that, and they're basically researching adrenochrome and that, and
Speaker 3: there was the fear kind of like how you go
Speaker 3: into a k hole, that you could go into an
Speaker 3: adrenochrome hole where basically you create your own fear, and
Speaker 3: then you start producing your own adrenaline, which decays into adrenochrome,
Speaker 3: and you become in this perpetual state of fear that
Speaker 3: you couldn't get out of the adrenochrome.
Speaker 2: High fuck on that, dude, Yeah.
Speaker 3: There's but that's the whole thing. Alvius Huxley, you know
Speaker 3: what was the general stubblebind in an interview with Freeman Fly,
Speaker 3: basically detailed the fact that Alvis Huxley was the chief
Speaker 3: coordinator for the MK Ultra project.
Speaker 5: You know, I could believe that, honestly, especially with delving
Speaker 5: into mescal into the levels that he did and looking
Speaker 5: at it or the principles that it was, I could
Speaker 5: see it, and not not with the uh, the darker
Speaker 5: side of things of trying to control people, but also
Speaker 5: to unlock unopenable doors within the mark. Now, of course,
Speaker 5: when a government agency does that, you're only using it
Speaker 5: for one purpose. But I could see outside absolutely exactly
Speaker 5: right right right, Well.
Speaker 2: I think I think that, you know, there are a
Speaker 2: lot of people that are looking into some form of
Speaker 2: psychedelic to try and see just what this world really is.
Speaker 2: What does it actually mean to be a human. Why
Speaker 2: are we here?
Speaker 8: Now?
Speaker 2: Where did we come from? Where are we going? We
Speaker 2: wonder about, you know, our existence in general. And I
Speaker 2: think there's been so many stories of people having these
Speaker 2: extremely profound things that happen to them whenever they, you know,
Speaker 2: enter the realm of psychedelics, and whether that be mushrooms
Speaker 2: or mescaline or DMT or ayahuasca or whatever whatever you're into, Like,
Speaker 2: there seems to be some correlating factor there that whether
Speaker 2: you're you're seeing another being in the astral realm or
Speaker 2: if you're just seeing like all of these crazy geometric shapes,
Speaker 2: that feels more real than realc I've definitely felt that before,
Speaker 2: and I mean, like, what is the answer to that then,
Speaker 2: Like if that's just the mind tripping, Like my mind
Speaker 2: is not creating that, Like there's there's no way that
Speaker 2: my mind is creating these magnificent let's just even get
Speaker 2: into the geometric symbols. My mind ain't doing that shit.
Speaker 2: Like I can barely draw a fucking triangle, and for
Speaker 2: some reason, I'm getting like the Sistine Chapel of all
Speaker 2: geometrics going on in my mind. Like, and so what
Speaker 2: do you do with that information, I don't know what
Speaker 2: to do with it.
Speaker 3: And it's interesting because I think what you're doing with
Speaker 3: these substances is you're dilating your senses in different ways,
Speaker 3: opening and very much like the opiate opioids close you down,
Speaker 3: where some of these hallucinogens they open up the neural
Speaker 3: receptors so you can intake more information. But what I
Speaker 3: find interesting is consistently, depending upon the substance used, you
Speaker 3: get reports coming back for days, decades of people encountering
Speaker 3: the same energies, the same green goddess that will come
Speaker 3: and teach you about nature, the clockwork elves, these various
Speaker 3: d MT entities, you know. So it's it's it's quite intriguing.
Speaker 3: But and and did you see that NASA just found
Speaker 3: these two hyperplasmoid zones of the Earth where they said
Speaker 3: that basically because of how they're situated within the orbit
Speaker 3: of the Earth, that they have the potential for self
Speaker 3: organization and could be some sort of a different life,
Speaker 3: intelligent life form that we don't understand. And immediately I
Speaker 3: almost was like, well, maybe this is what these ecstatic
Speaker 3: prophetic people kind of are are syncing in with these
Speaker 3: long term kind of arconic energies that have developed with
Speaker 3: the Earth that are like these these potential too, you know,
Speaker 3: mind forms that are kind of part of the Earth itself.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: So it depends on who you ask.
Speaker 5: As far as me and Jonathan is concerned, I am
Speaker 5: one that doesn't necessarily believe every single thing NASA tells us. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 5: but I also believe on the side of science and
Speaker 5: engineering and physics a lot more than the average repair.
Speaker 5: Jonathan is somebody who if if NASA says it, it
Speaker 5: must be incorrect or there must be a subaddendum or
Speaker 5: agenda that is being pushed forward.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think that you have there's gonna be
Speaker 2: a little bit of truth with your bullshit or otherwise,
Speaker 2: if it's all bullshit, you're never gonna convince a percentage
Speaker 2: of people. So I'm not gonna sit here and say
Speaker 2: that I absolutely dismiss every single thing that NASA says.
Speaker 2: I definitely dismiss a lot of their pictures. I definitely
Speaker 2: dismiss about how they say that we went to the moon.
Speaker 2: We definitely didn't do that shit, And if we did,
Speaker 2: like there's no actual proof that we did. Like, there's
Speaker 2: there's no footage.
Speaker 3: All the film that they had it got burned and
Speaker 3: came up missing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And we used to have that technology.
Speaker 2: We got rid of it a long time ago. Like
Speaker 2: it's like.
Speaker 3: What and the technology we have in our pockets with
Speaker 3: the phones now is you know, a thousand times you know,
Speaker 3: more than what they had back then.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're trying to make me believe that you took
Speaker 2: an actual shit box to the moon and got back.
Speaker 2: How that doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 4: How can we tell that NASA's telling us the truth
Speaker 4: about these two zones? If you will, right.
Speaker 3: Right, But I'm just saying from a philosophical point of view,
Speaker 3: could this be some sort of a mean to maybe
Speaker 3: possibly facilitate an explanation? And if you look at Soviet research, right,
Speaker 3: they found that when they sent astronauts up and they
Speaker 3: would be in a slow decay going out to several
Speaker 3: of them they weren't able to get back. But the
Speaker 3: ones they were able to get back if they went
Speaker 3: past the Earth's magnetosphere, when they came back, they had
Speaker 3: no memories. They had They were basically tabula rasa and
Speaker 3: they had to teach him how to talk and walk
Speaker 3: and do everything all over again, So inherently is are
Speaker 3: all of our minds linked to the magnetic field of
Speaker 3: the earth itself, and the Earth itself is maybe some
Speaker 3: sort of a receiving tower that allows us to experience
Speaker 3: physical reality.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's definitely possible, dude. I've been listening
Speaker 2: a lot. One of my favorite podcasts of all time
Speaker 2: is called Crow Triple seven. We had him on here
Speaker 2: one time. For years, fucking awesome, love that guy, but
Speaker 2: we had him on one time and I was fanboying
Speaker 2: like a little bitch the entire time. But whenever we
Speaker 2: had him on, he was talking about his documentary called
Speaker 2: Shoot the Moon, And so we watched the documentary and
Speaker 2: then had him on and it was a fascinating conversation
Speaker 2: because whatever is going on up in the moon, I
Speaker 2: never heard an explanation for those little things that are
Speaker 2: jumping out of the moon, like as that aliens, that
Speaker 2: life forms. Is that, you know, some kind of rupture
Speaker 2: that's coming out of Nobody knows, you know, because NASA
Speaker 2: is not going to give you that information. But right now,
Speaker 2: what he's doing is is that he's been shooting the sun.
Speaker 2: And that is even more fascinating because he believes that
Speaker 2: he has found possible like maybe he's found the second
Speaker 2: son and it's not necessarily a sun like we see,
Speaker 2: but almost like the inverted kind of version of the
Speaker 2: sun almost from what I understand. What do you think
Speaker 2: about that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's all all stories in ancient histories is about
Speaker 3: the black sun, the sun behind the sun. You know,
Speaker 3: the generally when you get into the mysteries of isis
Speaker 3: it was serious? The star serious? Right, there's base because
Speaker 3: our solar system is basically in binary with the serious system, right,
Speaker 3: but and they rotate around one another, but serious itself,
Speaker 3: which we've just found out through modern science. So they
Speaker 3: say what the dogon people were telling us two thousand BC,
Speaker 3: you know, but within the the mysteries of VISs that
Speaker 3: that black sun that was in serious was set or
Speaker 3: set those which was the one that cut up Osyrus,
Speaker 3: you know, or Nimrod you know. So it's it's uh, yeah,
Speaker 3: the whole black sun, the sun behind the sun. Then
Speaker 3: you get into the whole idea of uh, you know,
Speaker 3: sons that have faded out, like they believe what was
Speaker 3: it Saturn used to be a son like a brown
Speaker 3: small brown dwarf and uh, you know about NASA basically, Uh,
Speaker 3: it was a project they did where they sent seventy
Speaker 3: two kilograms of TNT and basically bombed the side of
Speaker 3: Saturn and because they were trying to reignite it, and
Speaker 3: that's when you got that uh six pointed cubic cubic
Speaker 3: shape on.
Speaker 2: The you know what, northern end bombing it caused that
Speaker 2: that whatever shape at the top of Saturn.
Speaker 3: As long as I've been paying attention to conspiracy, that's
Speaker 3: how I remember it.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, lord.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and I can I can find the name
Speaker 3: of that that project. But yeah, they they were basically
Speaker 3: and I think India, Japan, and the United States we're
Speaker 3: all trying to do this very much like India, Japan,
Speaker 3: and the United States. And I think China now has
Speaker 3: slammed satellites or or something into the side of the
Speaker 3: Moon and nasty. You know. They said it rang like
Speaker 3: a bell, and it's made of silicon dioxide, which is
Speaker 3: essentially glass, and crow triple seven. How he's filmed at
Speaker 3: certain stages of the moon. How you can see the
Speaker 3: stars behind it coming through it. Yeah, So yeah, a
Speaker 3: lot of interesting stuff there, dude.
Speaker 2: None of this shit is really what we think it is.
Speaker 2: And you know what I'm saying, Like the Moon's glass,
Speaker 2: we all thought it was some kind of dust. I mean,
Speaker 2: I remember whenever I was growing up in my childhood,
Speaker 2: it was cheese, you know what I mean. Like everybody
Speaker 2: has their own theories about what these things are. I mean,
Speaker 2: and even like in you know, in Witchcraft, looks at
Speaker 2: the moon a certain type of way, and you look
Speaker 2: at all the old the sun worshiping cults and stuff
Speaker 2: like that, Like, clearly there had to have been something
Speaker 2: to do with these planets. Maybe they're not just like
Speaker 2: just balls of fire or just you know, gatherings of
Speaker 2: minerals and dirt and shit, right.
Speaker 3: Right, And that was the whole thing is you have
Speaker 3: the esoteric idea, which is it's the physical planet, and
Speaker 3: then you have the esoteric idea, which is somehow it's related,
Speaker 3: you know, to the energies of this this certain form,
Speaker 3: you know, and uh yeah, people try to work with that.
Speaker 3: When you look at astrology, when you look at you know,
Speaker 3: all the various forms of divination that we have in
Speaker 3: modern society.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, it is. It is quite wild the different
Speaker 2: views on it. And like, don't get me wrong, like
Speaker 2: history just I think this because we've been doing the
Speaker 2: show for coming up on five years now in August
Speaker 2: will be five years. That'll be That's a big anniversary
Speaker 2: right there. Five years doing a podcast. That's a long time.
Speaker 2: But you know, all of these years doing the you know,
Speaker 2: just questioning politics and questioning history and questioning literally everything,
Speaker 2: I'm less inclined to look in the into the historic
Speaker 2: exoteric kind of understanding, and I'm more inclined to look
Speaker 2: into the esoteric. It's like, you know, I I've actually
Speaker 2: made I don't want to say I've lost my grasp
Speaker 2: of reality in that sense, but I think that I've
Speaker 2: I've loosened the stranglehold that I once had on it
Speaker 2: in that sense to where there's more to this than
Speaker 2: just physical reality, you know, like there has to be,
Speaker 2: and so why wouldn't you look into it for its
Speaker 2: more mystical and philosophical type of understandings, Like if we
Speaker 2: weren't always humans, If that's the case, I mean, even
Speaker 2: if if you're a Christian, you believe that like you're
Speaker 2: a soul, you're a spirit, you're gonna ascend to heaven,
Speaker 2: You're not gonna take your body. So therefore physical reality
Speaker 2: is probably not gonna matter then, right, So even if
Speaker 2: you want to look at it from that end, there
Speaker 2: is something very I don't want to say esoteric about
Speaker 2: this reality, but maybe it is, you know, I think
Speaker 2: that that is. Maybe that was the reason why Jesus
Speaker 2: was speaking in parables and stuff like that, to try
Speaker 2: and get you to spend the mind a little bit
Speaker 2: and not so much look at it for exactly what
Speaker 2: it is, but maybe the meaning behind.
Speaker 3: It expand the imagination. Well, and that's what this all
Speaker 3: really comes down to, is the imagination. As humans, we
Speaker 3: speak and we tell each other stories, you know, so
Speaker 3: that's the way we convey information, and by taking more
Speaker 3: information in we get a rounder viewpoint of what the
Speaker 3: whole is. Right, And when you begin to go back
Speaker 3: to the ancient occult philosophies of the hermetic sciences and basically,
Speaker 3: you know, using those two manipulate it. We all manipulate reality.
Speaker 3: Every single thing around us from our mouse, computer, pens
Speaker 3: and pencils, are clothes we wear. Somebody thought about that
Speaker 3: and created that idea and brought that thing into physical
Speaker 3: being and shared it with everybody else. And now we
Speaker 3: have corporations of course, trying to take that over and
Speaker 3: take away the culture itself and you know, homogenize it all.
Speaker 3: But that's the whole thing. Even with media and TV
Speaker 3: and us watching these various movies and television shows and
Speaker 3: the music itself, you almost have to wonder how much
Speaker 3: they're trying to And I think that's a to a
Speaker 3: great extent. What these ancient religions did, what these ancient
Speaker 3: mystery schools did, was they they you know, like when
Speaker 3: you go to Disney, you know, and they say we're
Speaker 3: going to show you the future when you go to Epcot, right,
Speaker 3: they're basically providing all of the flora and fauna that
Speaker 3: populate our mind. And as you know, in modern psychological
Speaker 3: warfare terms, they call it the fourth World wilderness. And
Speaker 3: and the war is for the mind, you know, So
Speaker 3: what are you going to choose to put in your mind?
Speaker 3: What are you going to choose to you know? And
Speaker 3: that's from the philosophical point. You go back to the
Speaker 3: ancient philosophers, and it's the idea of you take everything
Speaker 3: as possibly true, but at the same time everything is false. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so you know, and and are they basically cultivating the
Speaker 3: masses minds to create the future that the technocrats or
Speaker 3: you know, whatever group you want to pick, the you know,
Speaker 3: World Economic Forum, the Illuminati, the you know, all these
Speaker 3: all these groups are vying for our minds, you know.
Speaker 2: So it's it's one hundred percent. Yeah, it's one hundred
Speaker 2: percent of the mind. Like there's it's it's no question.
Speaker 2: And I think that, yeah, are they trying to poison
Speaker 2: you and the food and the water and the you
Speaker 2: know everything, absolutely, But that's to try to kind of
Speaker 2: calcify your pineal gland or poison your own mind, or
Speaker 2: make you a little bit too lethargic so that you
Speaker 2: don't even get the curiosity to look into these kinds
Speaker 2: of things. And and and maybe you're so dulled out
Speaker 2: that you don't even really care if there is any
Speaker 2: kind of deeper meaning to this reality. You just want
Speaker 2: to go to work, you want to come home, spend
Speaker 2: a little time with your family, you know, maybe watch
Speaker 2: a little wrestling as a nightcap, and and just go
Speaker 2: about your life. And there's nothing wrong with that. But
Speaker 2: for the modern day philosopher, the modern day a truth seeker,
Speaker 2: we want to know, all right, well, what did they
Speaker 2: know that we don't know? You know, like they're obviously
Speaker 2: they they know a little bit more than us, and
Speaker 2: that's how they're able to manipulate us in all of
Speaker 2: these ways. And also why would they want to manipulate
Speaker 2: us and poison us in all these different ways if
Speaker 2: it was just for no reason, Like, there has to
Speaker 2: be something that they're hiding, something powerful, some kind of information,
Speaker 2: something out there that they don't want you looking into.
Speaker 2: And that's why that's where you look into. Like people
Speaker 2: get in shadow band off a YouTube and tik tie
Speaker 2: and all the social media's and podcasts and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: and certain algorithms don't want this kind of conversations being had, right.
Speaker 3: Because it simply takes the mind and opens it up
Speaker 3: to a much larger possibility than what is being you know,
Speaker 3: ivy fed into the masses through algorithms.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, dude, it's uh, it's it's sick. But
Speaker 2: you know, I'm having a fun time figuring it all out.
Speaker 2: Like and to be honest, that's why I love conspiracies,
Speaker 2: Like I just want my mind blown every fucking day.
Speaker 2: Like we we shoot five shows a week, that's five
Speaker 2: out of seven days, and sometimes we shoot six or
Speaker 2: seven in a week. You know, to if I got
Speaker 2: you know, if we got vacation or something like that
Speaker 2: coming up. Sometimes we'll shoot two in a day, like today,
Speaker 2: we're shooting two in a day. And I just love.
Speaker 2: It's almost like a it's like a drug, having your
Speaker 2: mind blown, right, the mind quest.
Speaker 3: And that's the whole thing is, you know, learning all
Speaker 3: these stories, learning how history works, learning how it gives
Speaker 3: you a better frame of reference, uh, to view the
Speaker 3: modern world.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 3: And and you know, people say, oh, conspiracy theorists are crazy,
Speaker 3: And just because I read a lot of history, and
Speaker 3: I know a lot of occult things, and I know
Speaker 3: a lot of you know, various things about for some reason,
Speaker 3: I'm a conspiracy theorists because I seek knowledge, you know,
Speaker 3: And I think the conspired the idea of you know,
Speaker 3: we know it was through Freedom of Information Act. It
Speaker 3: was created by the CIA in regard to JFK. You know,
Speaker 3: anybody that have more information that you want to deal with,
Speaker 3: you call them a conspiracy theorist to dismiss them. But
Speaker 3: I think what the conspiracy theorists now calling someone that
Speaker 3: is basically one of the most educationally lazy things you
Speaker 3: can do, because you either refuse to or you don't
Speaker 3: want to you want to maintain your status quo rather
Speaker 3: than allowing for the possibility of this world may not
Speaker 3: even be what we think it is.
Speaker 2: Well, and a lot of this information can be like
Speaker 2: little like many d MT trips where it will it
Speaker 2: will cause you to lose grasp of reality in a
Speaker 2: certain sense. And a lot of people don't like their
Speaker 2: foundation if their foundation shaken like that. It's like, well,
Speaker 2: I have this, I believe this history because that history
Speaker 2: is what latches me on to what I deem reality
Speaker 2: is in a sense, right, and if you close.
Speaker 4: Though, right, it ebbs and flows. It used to be
Speaker 4: and by used to be.
Speaker 5: I'm let's look centuries back, right, somebody who's thinking outside
Speaker 5: of the box, who just doesn't go off of whatever
Speaker 5: the official narrative is. And yes, we could look at
Speaker 5: European countries and it's whatever the Church.
Speaker 4: Was saying, right, that's the official narrative.
Speaker 5: Whoever was looking outside of that might have been considered
Speaker 5: an alchemist, same breath would have been considered a heretic.
Speaker 5: It depended on who was funding them. The Church funded alchemy.
Speaker 5: But then also the dudes is doing the same thing
Speaker 5: and working out of the same books.
Speaker 4: Were birthake as heretics.
Speaker 5: It really just depended on where the funding was coming from, right,
Speaker 5: But then you look at today's world, being a conspiracy
Speaker 5: theorist ten years ago was something to be scoffed at
Speaker 5: in our current modern by current, I mean like only
Speaker 5: from twenty twenty to now. Honestly, COVID really broke the
Speaker 5: mold on that. And now anybody who's got a brain
Speaker 5: stem and thinks for themselves might even be conspirator considered
Speaker 5: a conspiracy theorist.
Speaker 4: So it kind of ebbs and flows, and it goes
Speaker 4: with the times.
Speaker 5: And in the same sense, I'm kind of happy as
Speaker 5: a matter of fact that, like you said, many DMT
Speaker 5: trips and people don't want their reality shaken. I would
Speaker 5: postulate that right now, currently as we speak, more and
Speaker 5: more adults are delving into psychedelics. Not yes, some for
Speaker 5: the recreational use, sure that's a thing, but more and
Speaker 5: more adults, and I mean some veterans that I know
Speaker 5: that have gone to Aahuascar retreats to try to help
Speaker 5: them with their PTSD varying results mostly to the positive,
Speaker 5: but there is more of a sense of what the
Speaker 5: hell is going on here? And it's like drugs even
Speaker 5: in that sense, or I want to use that term,
Speaker 5: let's say substances, right, let's say just as a whole,
Speaker 5: they kind of ebb and flow, and for a good
Speaker 5: while there only the hippies deal with LSD and mushrooms,
Speaker 5: and I don't know any good people that smoke marijuana.
Speaker 4: And it's like that.
Speaker 5: Has changed so drastically in these past years to where
Speaker 5: now it's like, look, if you're going to become a burnout, yeah,
Speaker 5: that's not good, no matter what. It's like drinking, if
Speaker 5: you're going to become an alcoholic, that's not good, no
Speaker 5: matter what. Right now, the ebbs and flows of it all, man,
Speaker 5: we are at a time where more and more people
Speaker 5: are looking at psychedelics not for the sense of just
Speaker 5: seeing the fractals and the colors and having a trippy evening,
Speaker 5: but they're actually using them for what I would argue
Speaker 5: would be their true intended purpose. And I'm very happy
Speaker 5: that a lot of the stigma has come off of
Speaker 5: that as a whole.
Speaker 2: Oh dude, Dan, I'll tell you what there has been.
Speaker 2: And from time to time I'll read reviews and comments
Speaker 2: on the show, and yes, well I read them, but
Speaker 2: I don't take them to heart. I know that there's
Speaker 2: just a lot of people out there that are Internet
Speaker 2: keyboard warriors that are gonna say something on the Internet
Speaker 2: because you're shielded, nobody knows where you're at, nobody knows
Speaker 2: where you're coming from, nobody knows what you look like. Therefore,
Speaker 2: it gives you almost leeway to be a shithead. But
Speaker 2: and and to those people, I'm just like, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe if you wouldn't say something to somebody in reality,
Speaker 2: you probably shouldn't type it. Because what we have is
Speaker 2: a platform and we can call out some people from
Speaker 2: time to time. And those people that think I'm some
Speaker 2: kind of fucking drug burnout or something like that, because
Speaker 2: all I like to talk about is psychedelics and and
Speaker 2: and weed and stuff like that, I'm just like, bro,
Speaker 2: I haven't. I haven't had a psychedelic experience since that
Speaker 2: that DMT trip in Florida in October. Like, it's not
Speaker 2: something that I do for fun. It's it's it's to
Speaker 2: have some kind of spiritual experience, to to try and
Speaker 2: grasp some fraction of enlightenment whatever can be bestowed upon me.
Speaker 2: And I think that they are helpful things. A lot
Speaker 2: of people have found a lot of help from psychedelics.
Speaker 2: I mean, you just mentioned.
Speaker 5: About me off of alcohol, Like that's not even that's
Speaker 5: even a joke, that's not a thing, Like, well you
Speaker 5: just replaced it. No, no, No, it's way easier to
Speaker 5: put down mushrooms than it is to put down the
Speaker 5: bottle that you haven't for ten fucking years.
Speaker 2: You're not getting addicted to this kind of shit. It's
Speaker 2: not meant for that. I mean, yeah, you mentioned it earlier,
Speaker 2: like some people are gonna party with it and ooh
Speaker 2: pretty colors and oh I like it the way it
Speaker 2: gives me that tingle in my body. Sure, but that's
Speaker 2: you know, that's that's for the partygoers. I'm I'm married,
Speaker 2: I got kids, I got bills to pay. I ain't
Speaker 2: going to know fucking raves bro. You know what I'm saying. Like,
Speaker 2: whenever I'm doing this, I'm doing it in the comfort
Speaker 2: of my own home or I'm surrounded by people that
Speaker 2: I love and trust, and it's more of a ceremonial
Speaker 2: thing than it is anything else.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And I think traditionally that's kind of what
Speaker 3: it's always been until you have the occurrence of you
Speaker 3: know what is it Bluebird, Artichoke MK Ultra basically using
Speaker 3: these substances, and then you had you know about Andrea
Speaker 3: PuO Rich Familiar Refreshmory here. Yeah, he uh basically was
Speaker 3: the guy that worked with Juri Geller the spoon Bender. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but his first book was called The Sacred Mushroom and
Speaker 3: then his second book was called Beyond Telepathy, but he
Speaker 3: was basically using these substances to try to create telepathy,
Speaker 3: you know. So yeah, you know, it's just interesting through
Speaker 3: the ages how these things have tried to be co
Speaker 3: opted by and I even back to the mystery schools,
Speaker 3: they were using them as a form of of sacrament
Speaker 3: to just you know, uh like pervade divine you know,
Speaker 3: uh intervention, like trying to connect between the higher and
Speaker 3: the lower realms. And it's uh yeah, you know because
Speaker 3: inherently and and I think that's another thing that they
Speaker 3: do is make you also believe that there are other
Speaker 3: levels of reality rather than just being alive in this body.
Speaker 5: And it also depended on the mystery school like the
Speaker 5: majority of them, I would say we're dealing in some
Speaker 5: sort of psychedelic Uh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do want to say hallucination, but peering beyond
Speaker 4: the veil.
Speaker 5: In that way, there were other mystery cults that you
Speaker 5: had to be stone cold sober to be a part of.
Speaker 5: And like there was varied you know cults, a cult
Speaker 5: and dededy didy.
Speaker 3: But there's an argument with that because there's like secret
Speaker 3: drugs in the higher levels of Buddhism. There's like, uh,
Speaker 3: there's this one writer I read that talked about the
Speaker 3: Jesuits would basically lead the pope up to the point
Speaker 3: where they would be like, you're gonna meet God, and
Speaker 3: then one time they would they would give them, you know,
Speaker 3: a substance you know, and basically have that that experience.
Speaker 3: So you know, there are some secret Even within these
Speaker 3: purest kind of cults, you do find the use of
Speaker 3: substances at certain point, and it's it's just I think
Speaker 3: a natural part of existence on the earth because the
Speaker 3: earth produced you know, the burning bush of Moses is
Speaker 3: the highest producing plant in that region of Dimthal trip
Speaker 3: to me, you know, So you just have these various
Speaker 3: things that kind of show you and it's not something
Speaker 3: that's exoterically talked about.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, in the order of the assassins, the
Speaker 5: phenomenously they get the name hash comes from Haines, exactly.
Speaker 4: Where we get the word assassin from. They had to
Speaker 4: be sober.
Speaker 5: That was a part of their training and all this
Speaker 5: until it came time for them to go and do
Speaker 5: the act that it was. Now some scholars argue that
Speaker 5: they got high on hash before they would go and
Speaker 5: perform their assassination.
Speaker 3: I would I wouldn't.
Speaker 4: I don't believe that you would want to be.
Speaker 3: Really initiation and ritual function.
Speaker 5: Yes, it was a thing to show them the other
Speaker 5: side and what they achieve if they.
Speaker 3: Why they're doing these these bloody things exactly.
Speaker 5: So, I mean, there's to your point, there's some that
Speaker 5: even though you had to be sober, maybe there was
Speaker 5: a little bit of it brought in at the right
Speaker 5: time for a specific purpose. Yeah, it's it's really fascinating
Speaker 5: to look at that and see, this is where we
Speaker 5: kind of find that unison of the exoteric and the
Speaker 5: historical precedents and like hard concrete facts along with some
Speaker 5: of the esoteric and the deeper meaning and what might
Speaker 5: have been symbolically gestured at in these times. This is
Speaker 5: where that that combination comes in.
Speaker 2: And also just speaking on nowadays, like you know, we
Speaker 2: live in a capitalist society. We gotta go to work
Speaker 2: every day, we gotta pay bills, We got to take
Speaker 2: care of our family. We can't do like the fucking
Speaker 2: gurus of India and sit in meditation for twenty five days,
Speaker 2: like my bills can't afford that. And so sometimes you
Speaker 2: do need like that that like that super highway door. Yeah,
Speaker 2: just to peek through the door. I don't need the
Speaker 2: whole thing, blast it all the way open, but let
Speaker 2: me just see through the keyhole a little bit and you'll,
Speaker 2: you know, you'll have mushrooms and all the other different
Speaker 2: types of psychedelics that will allow you to experience that
Speaker 2: without meditating for you know, thirty hours or whatever the
Speaker 2: case may be. And so I mean I think that
Speaker 2: you know, there is there are plenty of examples of
Speaker 2: people getting high on their own supply, you know, with
Speaker 2: the going into meditation and having the MT. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: the the natural DMT that secreted. So I don't know, dude.
Speaker 2: I The way I look at it is is that
Speaker 2: if it's if it's something that is so frowned upon,
Speaker 2: why why did God put it in our body to
Speaker 2: begin with?
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, that's the state itself I
Speaker 3: mean when you look at these substances, they generally don't
Speaker 3: you know, like Tanvis mckinna talks about, you know, culture
Speaker 3: is not your friend, you know, and when you take
Speaker 3: these substances, you step outside of culture. And and so
Speaker 3: that you know, it's certain laws state that if you
Speaker 3: take you know, more than so much, you're considered legally insane.
Speaker 3: If you get called so much.
Speaker 4: You can't take so much that it really does.
Speaker 2: Say oh yeah, LSD, all day with that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But that's the thing. Also, different people's mentalities are different,
Speaker 3: and these are not things to be played with lightly
Speaker 3: or just to be taking haphazardly, you know, especially with
Speaker 3: the contamination of some of these various you know, Nazi
Speaker 3: hangover drugs that are still around.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's like, yeah, you got to have a respect
Speaker 2: for it. There's no doubt about that. Because you can
Speaker 2: do too much. And I found out the hard way
Speaker 2: once and I won't make that mistake again.
Speaker 5: So and like I said, with the ebbs and flows
Speaker 5: of it, man, like LSD, I feel like we missed
Speaker 5: the boat. I cannot actually, genuinely, in my heart of
Speaker 5: hearts trust that name said person handing me this tab.
Speaker 4: It's not laced with fitting all. And he may not
Speaker 4: have laced it. It might have been three prove that.
Speaker 5: So it's just I feel like we missed the boat
Speaker 5: on trying the good ship, you know.
Speaker 3: But there's even things out there that are completely legal
Speaker 3: as far as designer drugs coming out of m T Like, uh,
Speaker 3: they call it inn bomb or NBO and me and
Speaker 3: it's a completely legal substance, and people try to, you know,
Speaker 3: pass that off as as something it's not, you know, right,
Speaker 3: I've had friends that have had some horrible experience, and
Speaker 3: that's the one hallucinogen that you can actually overdose on.
Speaker 2: Wow, I know that you'll.
Speaker 3: Accelerate your heartbeat and your your blood flow. Oh, that
Speaker 3: is such an extent. It's I know it. And that's
Speaker 3: that's one hundred percent legal.
Speaker 2: Right, And I know that you used to be you
Speaker 2: used to be able to buy salvia and gas stations, bro, Like,
Speaker 2: I'm like, fuck, I missed out on that, but I
Speaker 2: hear it's actually a pretty horrifying experience, so it's probably
Speaker 2: a good thing.
Speaker 3: It depends. So, uh, one guy I knew that used
Speaker 3: to sell salvia. He couldn't ever do it because as
Speaker 3: soon as he would do it. There would be this
Speaker 3: Mayan character with a light of bar blue light that
Speaker 3: would come and put it up against his throat and
Speaker 3: just stare him in the eyes. Because he was making
Speaker 3: money off of it. That's that's that was his whole
Speaker 3: reasoning was been. You know, as long as he was
Speaker 3: selling it, he was abusing what it was naturally given
Speaker 3: from the earth.
Speaker 4: Dude.
Speaker 2: That's that's really not even that far fetched. As a
Speaker 2: matter of fact, just last night, we had a guest
Speaker 2: on Meta Mysteries and she's the creator of this app
Speaker 2: called soul Pod and really cool chick. But she was
Speaker 2: talking about how she had done ayahuasca. She'd never done
Speaker 2: any psychedelics at all before and then tried ayahuasca and
Speaker 2: I was like, that's going right into the deep end, right,
Speaker 2: And but she says that, like you can feel like
Speaker 2: this feminine, divine presence, and yeah, it's like these these
Speaker 2: these gods or entities or energies or whatever they are
Speaker 2: are attached to these plants plants. Yes, And you know,
Speaker 2: and it's interesting, especially whenever you get into alchemy and
Speaker 2: you're understanding that the spirit and the scientific part aspect
Speaker 2: of it. Like, you know, I think that that's why
Speaker 2: you know so many people they get bat off on
Speaker 2: alcohol or hard drugs or something like that. And it
Speaker 2: makes me wonder, what is the spirit that's attached to
Speaker 2: those things?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: And we talked about alcool, which is allegedly like the
Speaker 2: spirit that's attached to alcohol alcohol, right, And I mean
Speaker 2: think about it like.
Speaker 3: It's a spirit alcoholics that they call it a spirit, right.
Speaker 3: And and in what was it either ancient I think
Speaker 3: it was ancient Samaria or ancient Babylon. The name for
Speaker 3: the altar that they would do sacrifices on was the bar.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that oh I just love and then
Speaker 2: the shit dude.
Speaker 4: But that's the thing.
Speaker 5: It's like, if people are using it as a form
Speaker 5: of escape from the life that they're living, you're probably
Speaker 5: not going into it with the right intention right now.
Speaker 5: If you're using it to peer to the other side
Speaker 5: and you're you're mentally in a good That's the other
Speaker 5: thing too. We've had so many people that I've talked
Speaker 5: to personally that you know, they tried psychedelics, whether it
Speaker 5: was just you know, regular regular mushrooms or whatever the case,
Speaker 5: had horrible experiences and it's like, well, hold on, are you, like,
Speaker 5: first off, suffering from depression or some sort of chemical
Speaker 5: bouts in the brain. Are you on anti depressants?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, every day.
Speaker 5: And it's like, oh well, then don't fucking take this Like, no,
Speaker 5: your brain needs to be in an okay place before
Speaker 5: you dive off into this.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you don't want to be forced into it either.
Speaker 2: It's like they say that whenever the student is ready,
Speaker 2: the teacher will appear kind of thing, and you kind
Speaker 2: of got to teach, you know, treat it like that.
Speaker 3: And you have to be of the mindset of entering
Speaker 3: willingly for the magic to work.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Now, let me ask you, what was your first time
Speaker 5: trying psychedelics of any type?
Speaker 4: Was that at a concert?
Speaker 3: No, it was before that, just hanging out, just hanging
Speaker 3: out with friends.
Speaker 4: You said that you were following the dead till what
Speaker 4: you were fourteen and you were on the road.
Speaker 3: I at fourteen years old. So at fourteen years old,
Speaker 3: I threw my turnte because I was a DJ. I
Speaker 3: threw my turntables on top of my friend Ted's Honda Civic.
Speaker 3: It was like little gold hatchbacks Honda Civic and we
Speaker 3: drove from Colorado down to New Orleans, and I basically
Speaker 3: was DJing from Atlanta, Biloxi, New Orleans, like you know,
Speaker 3: and I was djying, so at an early age, I
Speaker 3: was out on the road and I really didn't hear
Speaker 3: about the Grateful Dead until probably five years into traveling
Speaker 3: around to DJing. And then I went to a Grateful
Speaker 3: Dead show. And that was when I was starting to
Speaker 3: make my own more of my own art and making prints.
Speaker 3: And the first show I went to, I had what
Speaker 3: was it, seventy of these posters i'd made. That's a
Speaker 3: big it's a big, like twenty four about thirty poster
Speaker 3: and I set up and I was selling them for
Speaker 3: ten dollars and I sold out in half an hour,
Speaker 3: and I was like, this is what I'm doing. And
Speaker 3: so that was pretty much I jumped on the road and.
Speaker 4: Found my knees market.
Speaker 5: Bro, I'm gonna stick with it and go with the
Speaker 5: money's going just call me in now.
Speaker 3: Fuck yeah basically so yeah, so, and then the Grateful Dead.
Speaker 3: Once Jerry died, I jumped. I'd already been bouncing back
Speaker 3: and forth between Grateful Dead and Fish. Then I jumped
Speaker 3: on Fish. They went on hiatus, and I'd been jumping
Speaker 3: back and forth between cheese and fish. Then I jumped
Speaker 3: on cheese, cheese took hiatus, I ended up going into
Speaker 3: the festival scene. So you know, it's been a long,
Speaker 3: convoluted process of learning experience, you know.
Speaker 5: And I would guess that delving into psychedelics, and I
Speaker 5: do not know to the levels and depths and what
Speaker 5: all you've tried and whatever, but I would assume that
Speaker 5: that has drastically helped you as an artist.
Speaker 4: Am I about accurate there?
Speaker 3: You know? At one point I was doing quite a bit.
Speaker 3: These days not so much anymore. But at the same time,
Speaker 3: it gives you that ability to look outside yourself, to
Speaker 3: see the bigger picture, to kind of uh look at
Speaker 3: your faults and correct them, you know. And you go
Speaker 3: back to the old mystery schools, and it was always
Speaker 3: about the idea of know thyself, you know, and live
Speaker 3: in just accordance, live in truth, you know. And and
Speaker 3: that's what the whole uh trinity of logic, rhetoric and fallacy,
Speaker 3: you know, within the trivium is all about, you know.
Speaker 3: And that's basically you know, Jesus says, I Am the Truth,
Speaker 3: the Way, and the light, you know. So it's like
Speaker 3: this idea of what is the truth? You know, and
Speaker 3: and that's why we dig, that's why we try to understand.
Speaker 3: That's why we try to get this cohesive like uh,
Speaker 3: you know, overstanding or understanding or whatever you want to
Speaker 3: call it. You know.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, dude, dude, I was actually I was just
Speaker 2: doing a little bit of research on your boy, Nimrod,
Speaker 2: and uh turns out he may have been one of
Speaker 2: the original motherfuckers. Uh he married his wife allegedly.
Speaker 3: He was the original cook hold sit so yeah, because
Speaker 3: he would basically watch the religious sex rights and be
Speaker 3: the high priest of the rights. And he was called
Speaker 3: as cook hold yeap.
Speaker 5: To Move if I'm not mistaken, which was his son
Speaker 5: again depending on what literary source of reading, of course,
Speaker 5: with all respect, uh to Moves fucked his wife, which
Speaker 5: would have been to MOSE's mom, and Ron cut his
Speaker 5: dick off and throw it in the water, and then
Speaker 5: somebody went in and reattached it to Tomus allegedly, and
Speaker 5: it was like his dad being reborn in his son's
Speaker 5: body father something.
Speaker 4: It's it's so old.
Speaker 2: Now should we take these things literally or is it
Speaker 2: more symbolically in your opinion?
Speaker 3: So from the from the stance of the kinghood or
Speaker 3: the queen hood. There was this constant thing that you
Speaker 3: see Osiris is with isis right, And when Osiris dies,
Speaker 3: she births Horace, and and then she marries Horace, and
Speaker 3: then Horace becomes more worshiped of her, and the same
Speaker 3: thing with Samaramis. And so you constantly have this uh
Speaker 3: turning over of the father becoming the son and the
Speaker 3: queen marrying the son as the energy of the father.
Speaker 3: And that's why I say maybe these titles were handed
Speaker 3: down through the lineages in order to maintain kingship, you know.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's a common thing you see of the
Speaker 3: mother marrying the offspring as the father, which kind of
Speaker 3: gets into the inner relationship of the trinity itself, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, especially the Egyptian religion too.
Speaker 5: If you look at any of the stories of the
Speaker 5: Egyptian gods and their parentage and the hijinks they got into.
Speaker 5: And we've talked about this on the show, Toad wearing
Speaker 5: his calm crown and that whole thing, and it's like, well,
Speaker 5: where did that come from?
Speaker 4: Well, that this uncle and his nephew.
Speaker 5: Were having an issue, and apparently he tried raping him,
Speaker 5: but then instead he jacked off on some cabbage and
Speaker 5: he ate it.
Speaker 4: And it's a very wild story, very well.
Speaker 5: But it's not like Egypt was the only one that
Speaker 5: had wild stories that. I mean, hell, most of the
Speaker 5: Greek and Roman Pantheonic religions were based on Zeus slash
Speaker 5: Jupiter fucking everything that moved everything to deal with the
Speaker 5: with the offspring, and that was a whole thing around
Speaker 5: the Mediterranean pretty much since the beginning.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if you're supposed to even take
Speaker 2: those things literally though, you know, I think that it's
Speaker 2: more supposed to be symbolically like in that sense, and
Speaker 2: like what can you understand from it esoterically? I can't
Speaker 2: imagine the tholth was walking around with an actual fucking
Speaker 2: gum crown, Like, let's just be real, you know.
Speaker 3: So the thing is, when you look at the ideas
Speaker 3: of initiation into these mystery schools, right when you first
Speaker 3: become initiated, they teach you all the symbols, They teach
Speaker 3: you the esoteric story that is the function, right, and
Speaker 3: then as you move higher through the different levels. At
Speaker 3: each level they explain the depth of the symbol to
Speaker 3: you and so as you become higher and higher, you
Speaker 3: have a more cohesive kind of just like with conspiracy,
Speaker 3: just like you know, you have a deeper understanding of
Speaker 3: the depth of the waters that you're wading into.
Speaker 5: You know, very very similar to how that, I would say,
Speaker 5: potentially Freemasonry would be a modern mystery school of sorts, right,
Speaker 5: And yet they take the notes from so many others,
Speaker 5: and there's yes, the world not they fine, fine, fine,
Speaker 5: But each level that you ascend to ascend their word,
Speaker 5: not mine. They teach you a new word, a new
Speaker 5: past or, a new phrase, a new a new schedule exactly.
Speaker 5: And it's all they call it your seeking knowledge. You're
Speaker 5: seeking the light and how far down your travels are.
Speaker 3: You, fellow traveler.
Speaker 5: All of that is very very connected, and I would
Speaker 5: say like a second cousin to the mystery schools of
Speaker 5: old ye.
Speaker 3: So now when you look at Free Mason, the Free
Speaker 3: Masonic orders, right, they directly trace them themselves back to
Speaker 3: Adonis and Aphrodite in tai year, who were the workmen,
Speaker 3: the Ghibbelites that went and helped Solomon build the temple.
Speaker 3: They were the sacred temple builders of Greece, building the
Speaker 3: theaters and the temples, so, you know, and and back
Speaker 3: to Nimrod again. They say Nimrod was the first Freemason,
Speaker 3: and Pele, this guy Peleg, who is the architect of
Speaker 3: the Tower of Babel, he was the second Freemason, you know.
Speaker 3: So it the the freemason modern Freemason movement directly traces
Speaker 3: themselves back to Nimrod and the mystery schools in all
Speaker 3: form and fashion. You know. So they are basically a
Speaker 3: modern simulacra of the Mystery schools, which I believe is
Speaker 3: basically used as the gentelia of government for recruiting people
Speaker 3: into state craft.
Speaker 5: You know, I could see that, honestly, or at least
Speaker 5: at least at one point it was. I will say
Speaker 5: modern Freemasonry is on the drastic decline, to be honest,
Speaker 5: so are most organizations. The Roman Club, Alliance Club, all
Speaker 5: of them see less and less numbers.
Speaker 4: But as I've talked to a few guys that used.
Speaker 5: To be Freemasons and like older gentlemen, right, and they
Speaker 5: they actually blame their words, color TV and the Internet
Speaker 5: for why it's all going on the decline.
Speaker 4: I was like, what do you mean by that?
Speaker 5: It's like, well, most guys have something better to do
Speaker 5: with their time on a random Tuesday night than go.
Speaker 4: To the lodge for a meeting, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: That used to be, like, what else are you gonna
Speaker 4: do on a Tuesday night?
Speaker 5: Well, you know, I got me and my boys. We're
Speaker 5: gonna go and do a little some ceremonial things. Then
Speaker 5: we're gonna have drinks and just afterwards. Right, swords got
Speaker 5: some shit these days, like you could just watch your
Speaker 5: show because they didn't have those types of forms of
Speaker 5: entertainment or anything else back in those days. So I
Speaker 5: think there's a little bit of that to it, But
Speaker 5: I also think there's more and more people who have
Speaker 5: left these types of organizations with so many bad reports,
Speaker 5: and because of the Internet, the word has spread and
Speaker 5: been sensationalized in such a way. But the the truth
Speaker 5: to it all, I think, is still there. It's just
Speaker 5: not many people are interested in it like they used
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I like that you phrased it, though, I'm gonna
Speaker 5: start using that it's a conspiratorial thought orgy.
Speaker 4: Hell yeah, it's good Cult members.
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Speaker 2: I didn't hold that one right out the ether, bro,
Speaker 2: I don't even know where the fuck that came from.
Speaker 5: I mean, natural segues don't present themselves often, but when
Speaker 5: they do, you just gotta take advantage.
Speaker 4: Yeah, anyway.
Speaker 2: Anyway, So, yeah, I have a question as far as
Speaker 2: Freemasons and other modern day mystery schools. At modern I
Speaker 2: mean within the last one hundred and fifty years, let's
Speaker 2: just say, it seems like a lot of these modern
Speaker 2: day mystery schools get a very bad rep whenever you're
Speaker 2: talking about the Rosicrucians or the Freemasons, you name them.
Speaker 2: The list goes on and on the order of the
Speaker 2: Golden Dawn and order temporal orientis or whatever, the Illuminati, right,
Speaker 2: and it always seems to be something evil. You know,
Speaker 2: that there's that they're controlling the world, or they're doing
Speaker 2: sacrifices or you know, to get to the thirty third
Speaker 2: degree within Freemasonry, you got to announce that Satan is
Speaker 2: your god or whatever. And it's like, why why does
Speaker 2: it have like this negative kind of connotation if if
Speaker 2: you're really only just searching for truth, is the truth
Speaker 2: negative at that point? Like what's the whole purpose of
Speaker 2: it if you're not seeking truth but just power?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And I think, uh, you know a lot of these
Speaker 3: these various simula recults, they offer a frontist story, but
Speaker 3: when you get into the higher levels, much like DOT,
Speaker 3: when you watch Doctor Strange how he finds out that
Speaker 3: his guru is actually you know, tapping into this evil
Speaker 3: source for her good projections. It's very yin and yang.
Speaker 3: You know, within all good, there is that that point
Speaker 3: of evil. Within all evil, there is that point of good.
Speaker 3: And you know what was that the read the recent
Speaker 3: proton that they were able to photograph is a yin
Speaker 3: and yang symbol. Yeah, you know so again you know,
Speaker 3: as far as the decline of freemasonry, they're telling those
Speaker 3: same mystery stories on the television we're watching now. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, so it's just another way to uh uh indoctrinate,
Speaker 3: not necessarily, but initiate people into these these kind of
Speaker 3: higher concepts.
Speaker 2: And you brought up Doctor Strange. I think that that
Speaker 2: is a perfect example, not even only just of Doctor Strange,
Speaker 2: but Disney as a whole. It does seem to be
Speaker 2: very symbolic with everything that they do, and and most
Speaker 2: of the time the movies and shows are for the
Speaker 2: young ones, for the youth, and it makes you wonder,
Speaker 2: is it kind of an initiatory process to help with
Speaker 2: awakening or is it more mk ultra We're going to
Speaker 2: poison the minds. I've got it both.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and I've I've heard that, you know, I've
Speaker 3: come across that concept over time numerous times, the idea
Speaker 3: that that like they have to plunge you into the
Speaker 3: darkness in order to awaken your mind. Let's go, you know,
Speaker 3: so it's a necessary function of you know, then like doom,
Speaker 3: the sleeper must awaken.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: It's like it's this concept of how, you know, how
Speaker 3: do you shake people into higher levels of thinking? You know,
Speaker 3: And and then you debate was m k LTRA a
Speaker 3: good thing or was mk LTRA a bad thing? Like
Speaker 3: what are they trying to create people that thought? Different?
Speaker 3: Different mindsets? Bringing about you know, when Crick discovered when
Speaker 3: he discovered the DNA he had he was on LSD
Speaker 3: and he imagined what it was going to look like
Speaker 3: and then they found it, you know, And when you
Speaker 3: get into these microprocessors and the people in Silicon Valley
Speaker 3: in the microdosing and all these different it's a way
Speaker 3: to uh, you know, expand the possibilities of of you know,
Speaker 3: the unthinkable.
Speaker 2: So it's kind of like the force. Then it doesn't
Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily matter if it's good or bad. It's it's
Speaker 2: a tool, right, I've seen.
Speaker 4: A lot of people.
Speaker 5: Actually I watched this little mini doc once I was
Speaker 5: talking about it's actually Disney Movies is since like eighty
Speaker 5: five to now, right, and not every single flick that
Speaker 5: has come out has done this, but it seems to
Speaker 5: be an initiatory step into modern day agnosticism, right, and
Speaker 5: a lot of and the mean, sure, we could look
Speaker 5: at like Mowana right now, he's a demi god, and
Speaker 5: it's talking about a pantheon of other gods hercules, a
Speaker 5: whole group of God's fine, fine and fine aside from
Speaker 5: the ones that obviously are gonna have demi gods and
Speaker 5: things like this, there's like a reason why the main
Speaker 5: character only has one parent, or has to go through
Speaker 5: some sort of crazy trivial thing, or has to always
Speaker 5: as super young exactly. And it's always when you break
Speaker 5: it down to what the Gnostics were teaching, and not
Speaker 5: just the whole story about uh, well, everybody thinks God's
Speaker 5: the good guy, but like what if he's not, because that's.
Speaker 4: The fine, fine.
Speaker 5: But as far as the hero's journey of it, as
Speaker 5: far as the lessons learned, as far as the the Odyssey,
Speaker 5: if you will of it, all It's almost like Disney
Speaker 5: has been soft launching this generation to be more gnostic
Speaker 5: than more traditional.
Speaker 2: I mean, and you could argue that it goes back
Speaker 2: even farther and look back to Walt Disney and who
Speaker 2: he was associated with, right, like, all the way back
Speaker 2: he was friends with fucking Warner von Braun and you
Speaker 2: know Jack Parsons and shit like that wasn't.
Speaker 3: He Gebels came over and supposedly trained under Disney. And
Speaker 3: then you from what I understand, Disney, Walt when he
Speaker 3: was in the army, he got a dishonorable discharge so
Speaker 3: he couldn't own property. So all that property that became
Speaker 3: Disneyland basically was his brother Roy. And then I've read
Speaker 3: that Hoover came down and was involved in setting up
Speaker 3: all the tunnels underneath Disney. And then you know Walt
Speaker 3: himself was demolet as a child, which is premasonry for children.
Speaker 3: And then you have the thirty three Club that you
Speaker 3: have to have the secret password to get into. That's there.
Speaker 3: There's you know, a lot, and again back to Epcot
Speaker 3: and how they tell you we're going to capture your
Speaker 3: imagination and we're going to show you the future you know,
Speaker 3: these are these are tools of engineering the mind.
Speaker 4: Yesely it didn't.
Speaker 5: I'm glad that they just made it to where Disney
Speaker 5: is in its own country now, because for a good
Speaker 5: minute there up until it was like twenty two twenty three,
Speaker 5: is not that Like DeSantis was like, no, you're not
Speaker 5: going to make your own laws on your theme park.
Speaker 4: Fuck you, You're a part of Florida. And Disney had
Speaker 4: to push back.
Speaker 5: They hired all the lawyers they could to try to
Speaker 5: maintain their state ship, which.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they actually ended up trying to use a British
Speaker 3: Commonwealth law that they were associated under that goes back
Speaker 3: to England. Yeah, through the course of that lawsuit. And yeah,
Speaker 3: it isn't because they were basically a sovereign nation unto themselves.
Speaker 5: You know, itself to a lot of these sovereign citizen
Speaker 5: types who still think they like America's owned by England
Speaker 5: and were a part of the Commonwealth, please look to
Speaker 5: what happened at Disney.
Speaker 4: No, we're not.
Speaker 5: Because they tried that argument and got their dick slapped
Speaker 5: over it. That's not how it works anymore. But yeah,
Speaker 5: you know, people being people. But I mean, even with
Speaker 5: that said thing, Canada didn't actually get its own full
Speaker 5: independence until like nineteen eighty one, Like they were given
Speaker 5: a little bit more autonomy, a little bit more autonomy
Speaker 5: for like, you know, for however long. Then finally in
Speaker 5: eighty one, it's like, fine, you're fully your own country,
Speaker 5: but the Queen's still staying on your money.
Speaker 3: And it's like they still and they still use the
Speaker 3: queen scepter in the parliament, basically the queen or the
Speaker 3: king now king chuck you the third giving authority to
Speaker 3: them to make the rule. And anytime there was a
Speaker 3: point in the nineties where the queen disagreed and she
Speaker 3: actually took the scepter and dissolved the parliament. They brought
Speaker 3: all new people in and she gave them the scepter again.
Speaker 3: You know. So it's you know, that's the whole when
Speaker 3: you get into the ideas of liberty, quality, fraternity that
Speaker 3: the Freemasons and the Illuminati and coming out of the
Speaker 3: mystery schools were preaching about the fire in the mind
Speaker 3: to be kindled and the overthrow of crown and altar.
Speaker 3: You know, it gets deep.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and see that's the thing they can't come to
Speaker 5: the American Congress. The king is not coming to Congress
Speaker 5: and saying, yeah, you're all fired.
Speaker 4: I don't like you anymore. You need to change up.
Speaker 5: They can do that to Canada, they can do that
Speaker 5: to Australia, New Zealand all these other Commonwealth countries.
Speaker 4: America is not that. But I digress anyway.
Speaker 2: I want to ask you, Robbie, I've been really looking
Speaker 2: into people like to call me a new Ager Jacob
Speaker 2: loves that or woo woo and stuff like that. And
Speaker 2: to be honest, I used to take it as kind
Speaker 2: of like almost like a little slight, not like it's
Speaker 2: like a brotherly love kind of slight. You know, I
Speaker 2: never intended as such, but of course, of course, and
Speaker 2: so I've been really looking into a lot of this
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. And you know, what are your thoughts
Speaker 2: on the New Age movement or the New Age philosophy
Speaker 2: whenever people are just kind of gathering all this information
Speaker 2: from all different times and all different peoples from around
Speaker 2: the world and utilizing it as a whole and collecting
Speaker 2: them altogether in a sense, do you think that that
Speaker 2: is silly by any means? Or do you think that
Speaker 2: that might be the next wave of spirituality in a sense?
Speaker 3: Right right there, is a prophecy that the next great
Speaker 3: wave of spirituality will come from the North American continent.
Speaker 3: You know. But we are in a time of revelation.
Speaker 3: We have all of this information available to swirling around,
Speaker 3: and that it's simply that it's information. You know, it's
Speaker 3: not fully formed and coagulated. You know, we're dealing with
Speaker 3: all these piece is trying to put this information into
Speaker 3: some solid form, and some of those systems line up.
Speaker 3: Some of those systems don't. I think when you look
Speaker 3: back at a lot of what the New Age movement is,
Speaker 3: you can trace that back to Madame Blovotsky and what
Speaker 3: ended up coming into the ideas of the German people
Speaker 3: as the Vulk, you know, and Hitler being a vegetarian
Speaker 3: and kind of this whole. You know. I think there
Speaker 3: are some faults with it, But at the same time,
Speaker 3: I think the amalgamation again is generally edifying those who
Speaker 3: choose to look.
Speaker 2: I feel that same way. I think that you can apply,
Speaker 2: you know, a lot of different spiritual beliefs together and
Speaker 2: try and form some kind of picture. And to be honest, dude,
Speaker 2: ever since I was a little kid, you know, I
Speaker 2: wasn't raised in a religious household. We barely ever went
Speaker 2: to church. I think we went like two or three
Speaker 2: times in my whole childhood. Same here and and so.
Speaker 2: I you know, but I had heard that other people
Speaker 2: had different religions and there's all these different sectors of Christianity,
Speaker 2: which as a young kid, I just didn't understand. I
Speaker 2: was like, what does that even mean? Like, it's it's
Speaker 2: one book. How do you have so many different you know,
Speaker 2: denominations of it and stuff like that. But I kind
Speaker 2: of always thought, even from a young age, that that
Speaker 2: in order to get the full story, maybe you got
Speaker 2: to look at all of the information and not just
Speaker 2: one source of the information. And I mean some people
Speaker 2: may deem that as silly or or whatever, but I
Speaker 2: feel like, you know, I think that whenever you're able
Speaker 2: to kind of grasp what the entire world has been
Speaker 2: talking about and what other people have discovered it, it
Speaker 2: doesn't it leaves uh because all right, for example, I
Speaker 2: know that there's going to be like people have questions
Speaker 2: that can't be answered in one specific religion or another right.
Speaker 2: And I think that whenever you gather all the information together,
Speaker 2: it kind that helps paint the picture about what your
Speaker 2: experience or what your thought process or or whatever your
Speaker 2: question may be, whatever you group, you know, all the
Speaker 2: different thoughts together in a sence, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, And you know that's kind of going
Speaker 3: through the histories over all these years. That's kind of
Speaker 3: what I've been doing. Isaac Newton was even trying to
Speaker 3: write a you know these there's been chronologiers through history
Speaker 3: that try to say these things and move Egypt up,
Speaker 3: move Egypt back, you know. But that's the thing. When
Speaker 3: was something written, how does that affect the storyline? And
Speaker 3: then you come into this great age of publishing in
Speaker 3: the eighteen hundreds when you have all these people early on,
Speaker 3: you know, the Orientalists and the and they're trying to
Speaker 3: amalgamate all these things, and you know, mising, I think
Speaker 3: it's always best to go back to the source texts,
Speaker 3: you know, when you're looking at this stuff. But it's
Speaker 3: nice to see, you know. And my interpretation of Nimrod,
Speaker 3: as far as him being a skinwalker, is just me
Speaker 3: analyzing the texts and coming to a conclusion. Somebody else
Speaker 3: may come to a different conclusion, you know, but I
Speaker 3: just I think that, you know, in a lot of ways,
Speaker 3: it has lessons to offer. But at the same time
Speaker 3: it's become a form of entertainment for sure.
Speaker 2: And I think that interpretation has always been something that
Speaker 2: people bicker about, and you know, maybe there's always some
Speaker 2: kind of divide. Oh it means this, No, it means that. No,
Speaker 2: it means this, and and you know, who knows, dude,
Speaker 2: we're talking about certain documents that are two, three, four
Speaker 2: or five thousand years old. We don't even know if
Speaker 2: they were thinking the same way that we think.
Speaker 3: That they They chances are they. Then there's this whole
Speaker 3: idea that up to a certain point during the Roman Empire,
Speaker 3: people didn't have what they would think of as a conscience,
Speaker 3: and they believe that like Plato's damon, the idea of
Speaker 3: this day moon was the beginning of this internal voice
Speaker 3: basically starting to reason and and you know, say don't
Speaker 3: touch the hot stove. You know, so you know, how
Speaker 3: did people think and what caused and then you know,
Speaker 3: all the storytelling affected the way that they thought that
Speaker 3: William Burrows he says that the pyramids in South America
Speaker 3: were attention stealers and basically when you were around them
Speaker 3: that they would suck your attention out of your body,
Speaker 3: and that the mind calendar itself was a form of
Speaker 3: mind control in the fact that every day you would
Speaker 3: wake up and the little symbols that you would have
Speaker 3: each day would tell you what the day was about
Speaker 3: and how to think about that day, so that all
Speaker 3: the people thought in a similar manner, you know, long
Speaker 3: before we have television or radio or you know, reading
Speaker 3: and writing.
Speaker 2: Potentially ancient mass hypnosis going on there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Burrows, he's a he's a chaos magician.
Speaker 4: So okay, fair enough, fair enough.
Speaker 5: I don't know if I would say necessarily that the conscience,
Speaker 5: the internal dialogue.
Speaker 4: I don't know when exactly that would have.
Speaker 5: Started, because I mean, evolutionarily speaking, they'll say it started
Speaker 5: when Homo sapien sapiens began around all this, But like
Speaker 5: we're talking about looking at the ancient sources, at the
Speaker 5: source itself, right, And I brought this up a few
Speaker 5: times on the show. You look at the writings of
Speaker 5: Marcus Aurelius, right the beginning of Stoicism and then and
Speaker 5: for the record, that was a personal journal. He never
Speaker 5: intended to get published at all.
Speaker 4: He would be humiliated if.
Speaker 5: He knew we were reading it right now, right, that
Speaker 5: was his innermost thoughts. And when you read this, you
Speaker 5: see that people have been peopling since the beginning of time.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Right, So the whole theory that maybe.
Speaker 5: Conscious not consciousness, but having a conscience started at a
Speaker 5: certain point. I see this because I mean, you look
Speaker 5: at the ancient Spartan culture. It was good and noble
Speaker 5: and righteous to go rape your slave population, murder them
Speaker 5: once a year.
Speaker 4: You're a good man for doing that.
Speaker 5: To another civilization that would see that as barbarous, right,
Speaker 5: And you look at the Aztecs, it is good and
Speaker 5: righteous for you to sacrifice your first born to the
Speaker 5: rain god to make the rains come this year.
Speaker 2: Look at it same.
Speaker 5: Time frame, another culture that's barbarous. So I don't know
Speaker 5: if I would say that the conscious the innermost thoughts
Speaker 5: started at a certain point. I will say that they
Speaker 5: have been shifted or they've been based off of the
Speaker 5: culture in the timeframe that somebody has found themselves in.
Speaker 5: And it is very fascinating to look back at the
Speaker 5: ancients and at these sources themselves, not somebody's interpretation, the
Speaker 5: actual sources, to see they felt, what they thought, what
Speaker 5: they were using these four practices with principles.
Speaker 4: It all encompasses, you know.
Speaker 2: The meanings have evolved. It seems exactly.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like you want the first guy to have a
Speaker 5: thought and write it down. That might be one of
Speaker 5: the earliest two survived to today. But like he had teachers,
Speaker 5: who had teachers, who had.
Speaker 2: He learned from Socrates, I think, right, Plato so creats yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I mean he had a teacher, and look
Speaker 5: at the Buddha. He had a teacher, he had a Yoki,
Speaker 5: he had a guru. That guru had a guy that
Speaker 5: he looked to for enlightenment knowledge, and that goes all
Speaker 5: the way back. So I mean, it's it's interesting to
Speaker 5: see where we can kind of pinpoint the big milestones,
Speaker 5: if you will.
Speaker 3: And I think, you know, you have these intrinsic sacramental
Speaker 3: religious functions that are sacred and are attuned to the
Speaker 3: earth and potentially the movements of the heavens, and and
Speaker 3: I think those there was a purest element that developed culturally,
Speaker 3: you know. And then I think what you see is
Speaker 3: any anytime something gains too much power that it's co
Speaker 3: opted by the state and it becomes weaponized. It becomes
Speaker 3: utilized as a power function. So you know, looking at
Speaker 3: the like I said, the original Mithra coming out of
Speaker 3: the Indo Aryan cultures of the Scythians in India, and
Speaker 3: then comparing that to the Roman mythricism of Luciferian bull slay.
Speaker 3: You know, the diametric difference is the two extremes of
Speaker 3: the strip, you know, So it depends on where thing
Speaker 3: is in time and at what point was it possibly
Speaker 3: co opted.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and yeah, and like bastardized, not so much bastardized,
Speaker 2: but more so like inverted, like because you can take
Speaker 2: information as a lot of like I know, like a
Speaker 2: bunch of magicians and stuff like that. You can take
Speaker 2: information and invert it and still almost like pull the
Speaker 2: power from it in the same kind of way, which
Speaker 2: is really strange. Like think about the pentagram upward or
Speaker 2: or or right side up or downward, whatever, there still
Speaker 2: seems to be some magic to be gained, whether it's
Speaker 2: from the dark or the light in that sense esoterically speaking,
Speaker 2: right right, right, Well, look, Robbie, this was awesome, dude.
Speaker 2: I to be honest, we we kind of went into
Speaker 2: this not really knowing what to expect, and you are
Speaker 2: just full of these stories and a lot of this knowledge,
Speaker 2: and so we appreciate you coming to hang out with us.
Speaker 3: Man, I'm definitely full of it.
Speaker 2: Now, are we all? What's that?
Speaker 4: When does the book drop?
Speaker 3: Oh? I sent the last chapter to the editor like
Speaker 3: three days ago, because what happened was he had gone
Speaker 3: through it a couple times. I think he read it
Speaker 3: five times before he sent me a message and he
Speaker 3: said he'd never read a book like this. He's been
Speaker 3: editing books for thirty years, and he said he'd never
Speaker 3: read a book like this before. But nonetheless, he said,
Speaker 3: there's one part where I need to basically branch off
Speaker 3: and go into Addis and a Donna, which I was
Speaker 3: trying to kind of stay away from. But at the
Speaker 3: same time, once I was into it, I saw how
Speaker 3: relevant it was, and so I wrote a chapter on
Speaker 3: Addison and Donnis and shot that off to him. And
Speaker 3: I mean, we've got some work as far as a
Speaker 3: synopsis has to be done. There's a few notes I
Speaker 3: want to interlace in still, and then I'm working on
Speaker 3: thirteen illustrations for it as well right now.
Speaker 5: So we're still a little bit of ways away from
Speaker 5: it being released to the pulp are we think?
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty five or twenty six, you think.
Speaker 3: I would like to get it done for maybe Christmas
Speaker 3: release around time there, you know, but we are definitely
Speaker 3: getting close. And then, you know, that's a whole other thing.
Speaker 3: Once the text is fully edited and we have all
Speaker 3: the illustrations and everything done, then it's a matter of
Speaker 3: manufacture and what's the turntime based on paper availability and
Speaker 3: you know, and then we have all these tariffs going on,
Speaker 3: and what's that going to cost us in the long run,
Speaker 3: hopefully less than the short run more. I don't know,
Speaker 3: you can never trust in anything. It's it's you know,
Speaker 3: you're walking on the waves of the sea basically.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it definitely seems like that. Well look, I mean,
Speaker 2: we would love to get you back on especially whenever
Speaker 2: your book comes out, but I if that's going to
Speaker 2: be a little while longer, we can definitely do it
Speaker 2: again before that. Because this was a fascinating conversation.
Speaker 3: Man, holler at me, man, I'm basically I'm around here
Speaker 3: until mid June and then I take off and I'll
Speaker 3: be back in September.
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