WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:01:27.239 Oh, friend of the are. 2 00:00:44.799 --> 00:00:48.880 Hello, and welcome to the show. This is the Cult 3 00:00:49.119 --> 00:00:53.439 of Conspiracy and my name is Jonathan Jacob and today 4 00:00:53.600 --> 00:00:56.439 we have a very new guest, welcome to the show 5 00:00:56.520 --> 00:00:58.479 for the first time, Robbie Marks. 6 00:00:59.600 --> 00:01:02.079 Hey, is it going pretty good? Man? 7 00:01:02.439 --> 00:01:05.519 Robbie. It's pleasure to meet you there, sir. And you 8 00:01:05.560 --> 00:01:09.840 know you've had we've had a couple of your acquaintances 9 00:01:09.879 --> 00:01:13.840 on the show as well, with Teresa and the New 10 00:01:13.920 --> 00:01:18.079 York Patriot from the Occult Rejects, and they suggested that 11 00:01:18.239 --> 00:01:21.799 we have a conversation with you, so it would be 12 00:01:21.879 --> 00:01:23.280 it would be nice to get to know you a 13 00:01:23.280 --> 00:01:25.439 little bit. What are the kind of things that you 14 00:01:26.120 --> 00:01:27.040 specialize in? 15 00:01:28.519 --> 00:01:31.840 Generally, I've been an artist for about the last thirty 16 00:01:31.840 --> 00:01:35.239 five years and kind of through the course of that, 17 00:01:36.200 --> 00:01:41.280 I've researched deeply into, you know, every rabbit hole you 18 00:01:41.280 --> 00:01:45.040 can think of. For the most part, just been kind 19 00:01:45.040 --> 00:01:48.000 of trying to have fun with it all and trying 20 00:01:48.040 --> 00:01:53.760 to learn, you know, as much as I can. Basically, Yeah, that's. 21 00:01:54.120 --> 00:01:56.000 You're an artist. What's your medium? Usually? 22 00:01:56.879 --> 00:02:00.079 Yeah, I do some pencil, I do pin and in 23 00:02:00.239 --> 00:02:03.439 work quite a bit. I do water color. I've done 24 00:02:03.439 --> 00:02:05.959 a lot of water color paintings, and then I had 25 00:02:05.959 --> 00:02:09.280 a screen shop for about I don't know, seven or 26 00:02:09.280 --> 00:02:13.199 eight years, and I'm you know, with that, I'm doing 27 00:02:13.319 --> 00:02:18.960 merch for bands, merch for festivals, different you know, T 28 00:02:19.120 --> 00:02:24.599 shirts and screen printed posters and just a variety of things. 29 00:02:24.680 --> 00:02:24.919 You know. 30 00:02:25.680 --> 00:02:29.520 So how did being an artist it leads you going 31 00:02:29.560 --> 00:02:31.840 down conspiratorial. 32 00:02:32.840 --> 00:02:37.159 So, I don't know, I've always been kind of conspiratorially minded, 33 00:02:37.599 --> 00:02:39.960 just because of kind of all like when I was 34 00:02:40.000 --> 00:02:42.719 in school, I didn't like school. I had a lot 35 00:02:42.759 --> 00:02:46.560 of problems with school. School didn't like me, and you know, 36 00:02:46.680 --> 00:02:49.560 I ended up you know, dropping out, flip flopping and 37 00:02:49.639 --> 00:02:53.960 moving around, and you know, ended up getting through college, 38 00:02:55.159 --> 00:02:58.560 graduating on the Dean's List with a degree in printmaking 39 00:02:59.000 --> 00:03:04.919 and uh drawing, and kind of had just taken my 40 00:03:04.960 --> 00:03:08.199 own course, took my art, have taken it out on 41 00:03:08.240 --> 00:03:12.360 the road. I was on Grateful Dead tour, Fish Tour, 42 00:03:12.879 --> 00:03:17.439 String Cheese Tour, going into the festival scene, you know, 43 00:03:17.840 --> 00:03:19.680 and that's basically what I've been doing for the last 44 00:03:19.719 --> 00:03:20.319 thirty years. 45 00:03:22.000 --> 00:03:23.879 Dead head there for a minute. 46 00:03:23.879 --> 00:03:28.240 Oh yeah, yeah, the original you know, Grateful Dead with 47 00:03:28.319 --> 00:03:32.240 Jerry Garcia. Yeah, yeah, that was like five or six 48 00:03:32.280 --> 00:03:34.280 lifetimes ago, man, you know that. 49 00:03:34.840 --> 00:03:36.280 Yeah. Yeah, So I. 50 00:03:36.199 --> 00:03:38.520 Feel like those had to have been wild times back 51 00:03:38.560 --> 00:03:42.319 then because you hear so many people talk about like 52 00:03:42.479 --> 00:03:46.400 that time being a part of the Grateful Dead, like 53 00:03:46.400 --> 00:03:49.960 like following them, and no matter what city or state 54 00:03:50.039 --> 00:03:52.560 that they went to, it would just be like one 55 00:03:52.719 --> 00:03:57.080 massive community all like just partying together all the time 56 00:03:57.280 --> 00:03:59.159 like that. I don't know if you're going to see 57 00:03:59.159 --> 00:04:01.439 that so much for again, probably. 58 00:04:01.159 --> 00:04:03.439 Yeah, yeah. And that was the thing. It was a 59 00:04:03.439 --> 00:04:06.800 place to go where you met all the freaks, where 60 00:04:06.840 --> 00:04:09.520 you had all of the different lifestyles coming. 61 00:04:09.879 --> 00:04:10.120 You know. 62 00:04:10.159 --> 00:04:13.360 You had like inner city hip hop kids, you had 63 00:04:13.680 --> 00:04:17.240 like country bumpkins, you had like just you know, the 64 00:04:17.560 --> 00:04:22.040 the white suburban, the you know, everybody was there, the old, 65 00:04:22.160 --> 00:04:25.639 the young. It was just like this amalgamation of of 66 00:04:26.040 --> 00:04:32.120 you know, all all the uh subculture of of you know, 67 00:04:32.439 --> 00:04:35.959 wherever you were. Yeah. Yeah, And it was also an 68 00:04:35.959 --> 00:04:39.439 opportunity for me to be able to you know, show 69 00:04:39.519 --> 00:04:41.839 my wares because I would just go around in like 70 00:04:41.879 --> 00:04:46.920 Gorilla nd and basically uh, you know, keep an eye 71 00:04:46.920 --> 00:04:48.360 out for the cops and the taxman. 72 00:04:48.600 --> 00:04:48.839 You know. 73 00:04:49.439 --> 00:04:52.399 So you were doing a lot of very trippy, psychedelic 74 00:04:52.439 --> 00:04:54.439 type of artwork at that time. I'm assuming that was 75 00:04:54.439 --> 00:04:56.800 when the watercolors really started to pop for you. 76 00:04:58.399 --> 00:05:00.759 Yeah, I was, uh, well, that's the whole thing is 77 00:05:00.879 --> 00:05:03.360 I was kind of in this whole fine art kind 78 00:05:03.360 --> 00:05:05.879 of vibe, and I was like making my own art 79 00:05:05.920 --> 00:05:09.560 and selling my own art. And through the course of that, 80 00:05:09.720 --> 00:05:13.920 you know, different people, different bands, different groups started to 81 00:05:13.920 --> 00:05:16.360 ask me to do art, and so it's just been 82 00:05:16.439 --> 00:05:21.560 this expansive, kind of fractalne kind of career of you know, 83 00:05:22.120 --> 00:05:25.680 doing stuff for barbecue joints, doing stuff for I just 84 00:05:25.680 --> 00:05:29.519 did a piece for Pink Floyd, you know. It's yeah, 85 00:05:29.560 --> 00:05:32.639 so it just depends on, you know, what's going on. 86 00:05:33.439 --> 00:05:39.360 Done some grateful Dead stuff, various bands and. 87 00:05:39.079 --> 00:05:40.839 Probably one of my favorite bands of all time, to 88 00:05:40.839 --> 00:05:41.519 be honest with you. 89 00:05:41.920 --> 00:05:47.000 Yeah, yeah, that's I mean, they are iconic in essence, 90 00:05:47.079 --> 00:05:51.399 you know. Yeah, And it's you know, I'm I don't 91 00:05:51.399 --> 00:05:53.959 know lucky that I've gotten to do a lot of 92 00:05:53.959 --> 00:05:58.560 this this various stuff, you know, over the years, and 93 00:05:57.600 --> 00:06:02.040 uh and and so through the core of that. When 94 00:06:02.199 --> 00:06:08.079 the whole pandemic hit, I had like eight industry jobs 95 00:06:08.120 --> 00:06:10.959 that I was working on the table, and the music 96 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:16.680 industry just collapsed, so I basically had zero work, and 97 00:06:17.240 --> 00:06:20.240 the cannabis companies actually stepped up and I started doing 98 00:06:20.240 --> 00:06:23.399 a lot more cannabis stuff then. But that was the 99 00:06:23.519 --> 00:06:28.079 point at which I had basically taken this twenty five 100 00:06:28.240 --> 00:06:32.680 thirty years of researching and going through all these books 101 00:06:33.079 --> 00:06:39.120 and decided to write a book which the editor is 102 00:06:39.639 --> 00:06:42.959 editing the last chapter right now, but it's basically a 103 00:06:43.079 --> 00:06:49.199 Nimrod the First skin Walker Let's go. Yeah, So that's 104 00:06:49.480 --> 00:06:52.199 that's what I and I'm doing illustrations for that now. 105 00:06:52.879 --> 00:06:55.639 I'm doing thirteen illustrations for the book and then the 106 00:06:55.720 --> 00:07:00.839 cover and just you know, creating and creat and then 107 00:07:00.920 --> 00:07:04.000 come the end of June, I basically head out on 108 00:07:04.040 --> 00:07:05.959 the road for a couple of months and just go 109 00:07:06.040 --> 00:07:08.839 travel around and hang out and see people and have 110 00:07:08.920 --> 00:07:09.399 a good time. 111 00:07:09.839 --> 00:07:11.720 You know, well, let's go. 112 00:07:12.279 --> 00:07:15.000 There's the best life here, honestly. But it's off of 113 00:07:15.079 --> 00:07:16.319 twenty five to. 114 00:07:16.240 --> 00:07:18.879 Thirty years of being in this line of works where 115 00:07:18.920 --> 00:07:21.079 you've been able to put yourself in this type of position. 116 00:07:21.759 --> 00:07:25.759 Yeah yeah, I mean, and you know that's people are like, well, 117 00:07:25.800 --> 00:07:28.879 how do you do it? Because I've been going out 118 00:07:28.879 --> 00:07:31.439 on the road for thirty five years, you know, well 119 00:07:31.480 --> 00:07:34.879 since I was fourteen and I'm fifty three, so we're 120 00:07:34.879 --> 00:07:38.839 coming up on however many years that is almost forty, 121 00:07:38.879 --> 00:07:43.399 I guess. But it was always on a shoe string budget. 122 00:07:43.519 --> 00:07:46.079 You know. I would go out the door sometimes with 123 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:48.920 just a couple hundred bucks in my pocket and you know, 124 00:07:49.600 --> 00:07:52.839 count on fate and just roll and if you run 125 00:07:52.879 --> 00:07:55.439 out of money, you set up and you sell some art. 126 00:07:56.920 --> 00:07:58.959 There was one time we were you know, we were 127 00:08:00.319 --> 00:08:03.879 we pretty much stuck out, got stuck at the Grand 128 00:08:03.879 --> 00:08:08.439 Canyon area, and I got a commission job and I 129 00:08:08.480 --> 00:08:10.240 got to sit on the edge of the Grand Canyon 130 00:08:10.279 --> 00:08:13.360 for three days working on this pencil piece for a 131 00:08:13.399 --> 00:08:17.680 couple that it was their anniversary and send it off 132 00:08:17.680 --> 00:08:19.759 and they sent me the money and we were back 133 00:08:19.759 --> 00:08:22.199 on the road. You know. So it's not a matter 134 00:08:22.279 --> 00:08:25.160 of how do you do it's just a matter you 135 00:08:25.199 --> 00:08:25.720 go do it. 136 00:08:26.199 --> 00:08:28.600 You know, you were a straight up starving artist for 137 00:08:29.240 --> 00:08:30.480 a good chunk of that time. 138 00:08:30.480 --> 00:08:32.759 But at the same time, that's exactly where you wanted 139 00:08:32.799 --> 00:08:34.240 to be and what you wanted to do. 140 00:08:34.840 --> 00:08:37.720 Yeah, and I didn't have a problem with any of that. 141 00:08:38.279 --> 00:08:41.240 And you know, I pretty much. And that was the thing, 142 00:08:41.679 --> 00:08:47.399 this whole tour kind of situation. It allowed me to basically, 143 00:08:47.879 --> 00:08:51.440 you know, kind of move around the country and kind 144 00:08:51.440 --> 00:08:53.039 of just hoboed my way along, you know. 145 00:08:54.320 --> 00:08:57.799 So yeah, well, I mean it sounds like you're quite 146 00:08:58.000 --> 00:09:02.480 seasoned for this kind of conversation then, And speaking of 147 00:09:03.399 --> 00:09:07.639 Nimrod as a potential, I'm hoping that I can get 148 00:09:07.639 --> 00:09:09.320 there on blonde. So I feel like the gray is 149 00:09:09.320 --> 00:09:10.799 going to take a little bit longer to hit me. 150 00:09:10.840 --> 00:09:13.480 But Jacob already got a little bit of it, and 151 00:09:13.480 --> 00:09:14.240 he's younger than me. 152 00:09:14.759 --> 00:09:18.519 I got these these two gray streaks that are starting, Yes. 153 00:09:18.399 --> 00:09:21.639 I got these black streaks that kind of continue down. 154 00:09:22.120 --> 00:09:24.799 Yes, I'm hoping Hepper hits me hard. 155 00:09:24.840 --> 00:09:26.799 Dude, I'm trying to look like a whole silver Fox 156 00:09:26.840 --> 00:09:32.039 fabio would be going on, getting close there you go nice? 157 00:09:32.279 --> 00:09:35.720 So, uh yeah, the the idea of this uh Nimrod, 158 00:09:35.799 --> 00:09:39.799 and a lot of people within uh conspiracy definitely like 159 00:09:39.879 --> 00:09:41.919 to bring him up. We've heard him talked about in 160 00:09:42.080 --> 00:09:46.240 several spheres. But actually I don't really know a whole 161 00:09:46.279 --> 00:09:48.919 lot about Nimrod. I mean, I know he's a biblical character. 162 00:09:49.279 --> 00:09:52.799 I know that he's like mentioned uh. If I'm not mistaken. 163 00:09:52.840 --> 00:09:56.200 He's mentioned in like, uh, like Egyptian lore and stuff 164 00:09:56.240 --> 00:09:56.720 like that too. 165 00:09:56.840 --> 00:09:57.000 Right. 166 00:09:57.720 --> 00:10:01.039 Well there, if you go back and read the Old Philosophers, 167 00:10:01.120 --> 00:10:06.000 they talk about the fact that Nimrod is directly related 168 00:10:06.159 --> 00:10:11.759 with Osiris, and Nimrod is also directly related with Tamuz 169 00:10:12.279 --> 00:10:16.799 and with Donnis and with Addis. So you have all 170 00:10:16.879 --> 00:10:20.000 these and basically what it is is at the time, 171 00:10:20.080 --> 00:10:26.679 there's this developing religion of this dead and resurrected kind 172 00:10:26.679 --> 00:10:32.879 of God king or God man, and the whole Nimrod thing. 173 00:10:33.320 --> 00:10:37.200 You know, basically in the Bible it says that he 174 00:10:37.279 --> 00:10:42.960 basically was the ruler over all of Shinar and basically 175 00:10:43.240 --> 00:10:47.240 you know, I found what was it six kingdoms and 176 00:10:47.440 --> 00:10:50.679 seven seas that he ruled over. So and you find 177 00:10:50.720 --> 00:10:53.879 this character and he's got like he wears the Phrygian 178 00:10:53.919 --> 00:10:56.120 hat that you see, like the smurf hat. 179 00:10:56.919 --> 00:10:59.480 We literally just talked about that yesterday with Brandon Croll 180 00:10:59.559 --> 00:11:02.039 that like I've never heard that word in my life, 181 00:11:02.240 --> 00:11:02.960 and now two. 182 00:11:02.919 --> 00:11:05.759 Days in a row that's so string so well, and 183 00:11:05.799 --> 00:11:09.559 that all goes to and all of this this Nimrod 184 00:11:09.679 --> 00:11:12.519 kind of this cult of Nimrod, this cult of the hero, 185 00:11:13.159 --> 00:11:17.440 which is where we get the row which became the royalty, 186 00:11:18.159 --> 00:11:19.320 the French Row. 187 00:11:19.919 --> 00:11:24.639 So you have this tie between royalty basically linking them 188 00:11:24.679 --> 00:11:30.720 back to these ancient characters. And you know, and it's 189 00:11:30.759 --> 00:11:33.679 always to claim lineeded. You know. The Freemasons do the 190 00:11:33.679 --> 00:11:39.279 same thing now, tracing themselves back to taiir And and 191 00:11:39.440 --> 00:11:44.360 back to Syria and back to Phrygia with the Dionysians 192 00:11:44.440 --> 00:11:48.480 and the builders of Solomon's Temple from King Tayer, you know. 193 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:52.639 So it's but all that as well, even the Freemasons, 194 00:11:52.960 --> 00:11:56.840 they link themselves back into this Nimrod worship and and 195 00:11:57.120 --> 00:12:00.799 they say the first Freemason was Nimrod and he was 196 00:12:00.879 --> 00:12:04.200 basically they called him nim Ahmoud, and he was the 197 00:12:04.200 --> 00:12:08.679 one who built things, and he he created the first brick. 198 00:12:09.639 --> 00:12:12.600 He's also kind of linked in with the character of 199 00:12:12.679 --> 00:12:18.440 Cain because Cain he was working in these fiery pits, 200 00:12:18.480 --> 00:12:21.440 and that kind of relates into the cult of the blacksmith. 201 00:12:21.799 --> 00:12:24.320 But they talk about the idea that he built the 202 00:12:24.320 --> 00:12:29.279 first cities and basically and then these walled cities once 203 00:12:29.320 --> 00:12:32.480 he built them. He's also tied in with Ferronius, who 204 00:12:32.559 --> 00:12:36.320 basically brought the people out of the wilderness after the 205 00:12:36.320 --> 00:12:40.799 flood and brought them to the fires to congregate, and 206 00:12:40.840 --> 00:12:43.320 then they got them to build the cities. And then 207 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:46.519 once they were in the cities, you know, Nimrod was like, well, 208 00:12:46.600 --> 00:12:48.360 now if you want to stay in the city and 209 00:12:48.399 --> 00:12:51.679 be safe, you know, you have to ride for plunder 210 00:12:51.879 --> 00:12:54.519 with me against all. So this is the beginning of 211 00:12:54.879 --> 00:12:58.480 like war and the age of Aries or the ram 212 00:12:59.039 --> 00:13:01.879 and and so he got the you know, Nimrods riding 213 00:13:01.919 --> 00:13:06.960 out and conquering cities and just crucifying kings alive. And 214 00:13:07.039 --> 00:13:11.600 he's doing all these things. And basically, if you get 215 00:13:11.639 --> 00:13:16.159 into the to the older philosophers, they say those two Nimrods, 216 00:13:16.200 --> 00:13:20.480 a younger Nimrod and an older Nimrod. The older Nimrod 217 00:13:20.559 --> 00:13:25.720 is interrelated with Thoth, the Atlantean from Egypt, and the 218 00:13:25.759 --> 00:13:29.720 younger Nimrod is the more Nimrod that people think about. 219 00:13:30.159 --> 00:13:32.399 But he's the one that was at the Tower Babel 220 00:13:32.840 --> 00:13:36.360 that basically broke up the languages. And if you get 221 00:13:36.399 --> 00:13:41.080 into the Book of Invasions, which is this old Irish 222 00:13:41.120 --> 00:13:43.320 text that a lot of people think should be part 223 00:13:43.320 --> 00:13:47.679 of the Bible, it talks about after the collapse of 224 00:13:47.679 --> 00:13:53.399 the Tower, that Nimrod was basically over these schools that 225 00:13:53.440 --> 00:13:58.240 were teaching different families the different languages and then sending 226 00:13:58.279 --> 00:14:01.600 them out to those lands to conquer those lands. And 227 00:14:01.679 --> 00:14:05.919 basically so you have, you know, this diaspora of global 228 00:14:06.279 --> 00:14:09.080 like conquered already, you know, like this how we have 229 00:14:09.159 --> 00:14:11.600 the New World Order now and this idea of them 230 00:14:11.600 --> 00:14:14.720 trying to amalgamate the you know, the entire planet into 231 00:14:14.759 --> 00:14:17.840 a single Novasoro s of Chlorum or you know, new 232 00:14:17.879 --> 00:14:21.960 World Order. Nimrod at the time was basically trying to 233 00:14:22.000 --> 00:14:24.840 do the same thing. So this, you know, and he's 234 00:14:25.000 --> 00:14:28.720 he's looked at is kind of a very kind of 235 00:14:29.159 --> 00:14:33.000 sinister character. He was the rebeller who was rebelled against, 236 00:14:33.639 --> 00:14:34.879 you know, by his own people. 237 00:14:35.320 --> 00:14:39.399 And also what the literary sources is itself, right, so 238 00:14:39.559 --> 00:14:42.000 like the Bible of course, is going to have him 239 00:14:42.000 --> 00:14:45.159 painted in a certain way. His contemporaries are going to 240 00:14:45.159 --> 00:14:47.720 have him painted in a completely other way. So the 241 00:14:47.720 --> 00:14:50.159 biblical sources of him, you're looking strictly into the Book 242 00:14:50.159 --> 00:14:54.159 of Genesis, right, And yeah, he allegedly was the one 243 00:14:54.159 --> 00:14:57.759 who uh commissioned the building of the Tower of Babel right, 244 00:14:57.840 --> 00:15:01.200 And that's and everybody keeps saying the Tower Babyl like Babylon, 245 00:15:01.279 --> 00:15:05.120 and it's like, that's not It's not exactly a one Babel, right, 246 00:15:05.200 --> 00:15:08.000 And I mean, yes, we're talking ancient Babylon and all 247 00:15:08.039 --> 00:15:10.240 these things. It's kind of in the same can you know, 248 00:15:11.600 --> 00:15:12.840 time frame, but not exactly. 249 00:15:13.919 --> 00:15:16.759 And Nimrod was also the builder of the temples in 250 00:15:16.840 --> 00:15:20.759 Babylon as well. He came up through as Babylon. It 251 00:15:20.879 --> 00:15:24.159 started out as this tiny, tiny little city that was 252 00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:29.519 kind of insignificant, and it's uh, it's it's like worshipful 253 00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:36.799 God form was uh Marduke, and Nimrod's secret name was Marduke, 254 00:15:37.279 --> 00:15:41.399 and Marduke just means king, you know. So it just 255 00:15:41.559 --> 00:15:43.799 in the same thing with like Adonis. It goes back 256 00:15:43.840 --> 00:15:47.399 to Adon, which just means lord. So it's like how 257 00:15:47.639 --> 00:15:49.799 people call Jesus our lord. 258 00:15:49.919 --> 00:15:50.120 You know. 259 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:53.720 It was a title of reverence basically. 260 00:15:53.360 --> 00:15:54.240 No doubt, no doubt. 261 00:15:54.559 --> 00:15:57.559 And then he's also referred to as like the great 262 00:15:57.639 --> 00:16:02.120 Hunter King and some he's seen as the first man 263 00:16:02.200 --> 00:16:05.279 of renown. Now that also carries with it some weight 264 00:16:05.360 --> 00:16:08.879 because Biblical sources at least talk about the men of 265 00:16:08.919 --> 00:16:12.120 renown and these men of greatness, they're talking about what 266 00:16:12.120 --> 00:16:14.679 we would refer to as nephelin, right, which are like 267 00:16:15.240 --> 00:16:18.480 half demonic spawn, half human things. And I'm not saying 268 00:16:18.519 --> 00:16:21.879 that Nimrod was or wasn't, but it was seen in 269 00:16:22.000 --> 00:16:25.759 this way. And then according to the sources, he was 270 00:16:25.879 --> 00:16:30.840 killed by Esau, which is Abraham's grandson who bed right. 271 00:16:31.720 --> 00:16:34.360 And now when you look at that story of Esau 272 00:16:34.480 --> 00:16:39.480 coming in and beheading Nimrod, right, and it says that 273 00:16:39.960 --> 00:16:44.759 Esau took the garments of Nimrod, right, And if you 274 00:16:44.799 --> 00:16:48.519 get into the rabbinical writings, they talk about the idea 275 00:16:48.679 --> 00:16:54.759 that these were cloaks that were basically made from the 276 00:16:54.799 --> 00:16:59.279 remains of Adam and Eve. So there's this idea that 277 00:17:00.039 --> 00:17:03.480 and I have this argument quite a bit with people, 278 00:17:03.600 --> 00:17:05.880 and I've got all this info in the book, but 279 00:17:06.240 --> 00:17:09.920 basically they're like, well, what about these stories of the 280 00:17:09.960 --> 00:17:15.680 Cave of Treasures where they talk about, you know, basically 281 00:17:16.039 --> 00:17:20.839 making garments for them, you know, from uh And then 282 00:17:20.880 --> 00:17:23.480 you have the argument, well, this was in paradise, so 283 00:17:23.839 --> 00:17:27.920 where they're animals that were sacrificed, you know. Or and 284 00:17:28.000 --> 00:17:31.200 there's one rabbinical line of thinking where one of the 285 00:17:31.359 --> 00:17:35.440 Rabbi Elias are. He says that they use the serpent 286 00:17:35.559 --> 00:17:40.240 skin to basically make these these cloaks for Adam and Eve. 287 00:17:41.160 --> 00:17:44.079 But if you get into the oldest meaning of it 288 00:17:45.160 --> 00:17:48.640 within rabbinical literature, it was the idea that the body 289 00:17:49.240 --> 00:17:52.960 was moving from a light form into a physical form. 290 00:17:53.440 --> 00:17:59.119 So the word that's used is it's very close to 291 00:17:59.400 --> 00:18:03.119 the word life and skin. So there was this idea 292 00:18:03.319 --> 00:18:08.279 that that the skin that God clothed Atom with was 293 00:18:08.759 --> 00:18:12.519 the physical skin, so that we could exist within three 294 00:18:12.519 --> 00:18:17.200 dimensional reality, right, And and so what happened is, you know, 295 00:18:17.319 --> 00:18:19.240 even if you go back to the bush a book 296 00:18:19.240 --> 00:18:24.720 of Jashure, which is the sephi Yesa, right, it says 297 00:18:24.839 --> 00:18:30.680 it only mentions the remains of Adam, it doesn't say anything, 298 00:18:31.000 --> 00:18:34.079 you know. And that was written while supposedly while they 299 00:18:34.079 --> 00:18:39.160 were in Babylonian exile, right. But these newer texts that 300 00:18:39.240 --> 00:18:42.400 can there was this thing called the Controversy of Adam. 301 00:18:43.000 --> 00:18:47.400 And basically this was about the time when Christianity was 302 00:18:47.440 --> 00:18:50.119 really starting to get big, and there was there was 303 00:18:50.200 --> 00:18:54.839 this controversy over you know, what these skins were, what 304 00:18:54.920 --> 00:18:57.799 Adam and Eve were, where they came from. So you 305 00:18:57.920 --> 00:19:01.480 have this series of books it ends up getting written, 306 00:19:01.839 --> 00:19:06.119 and they called them the String of Pearls. And so 307 00:19:06.240 --> 00:19:09.960 you have the Cave of Treasures, you have the Book 308 00:19:09.960 --> 00:19:12.440 of Adam and Eve, and you have the Book of 309 00:19:12.480 --> 00:19:16.240 the b which actually comes almost six hundred years later, 310 00:19:16.440 --> 00:19:20.759 but those two specifically, and they're written about four to 311 00:19:20.839 --> 00:19:25.640 six hundred a d. Long after the discussions of what 312 00:19:25.680 --> 00:19:29.160 these skins have been and what they represented. But that 313 00:19:29.359 --> 00:19:35.559 was the skin that Esau took. It was it said 314 00:19:35.640 --> 00:19:39.319 that it smelled like paradise, right, because it was made 315 00:19:39.359 --> 00:19:46.119 in the dimensional lear garden. Yeah, And so basically when 316 00:19:46.160 --> 00:19:49.799 the animals of the earthly realm would smell the skin, 317 00:19:50.559 --> 00:19:54.680 they weren't afraid of the because it smelled the paradise. 318 00:19:54.759 --> 00:19:59.160 So all the animals would gather around Nimrod and he 319 00:19:59.160 --> 00:20:02.359 could just slay take whatever animals he wanted, which. 320 00:20:02.200 --> 00:20:04.119 Will be why he's the great hunter. I see where're 321 00:20:04.119 --> 00:20:04.319 you going. 322 00:20:04.519 --> 00:20:06.799 Which is why he's the great And he's also credited 323 00:20:07.400 --> 00:20:13.519 in Persian mythology with domesticating the leopard and us beginning 324 00:20:13.559 --> 00:20:16.839 to use dogs for the unt and you know, and 325 00:20:16.880 --> 00:20:20.279 then that gets kind of into the mythology of Hercules 326 00:20:20.319 --> 00:20:22.519 as well, with a lot of this stuff, you know. 327 00:20:22.920 --> 00:20:26.519 So as far as the garments that he took, this 328 00:20:26.599 --> 00:20:28.319 is the first time ever hearing of it being referred 329 00:20:28.319 --> 00:20:29.839 to as potentially skins. 330 00:20:30.200 --> 00:20:32.160 Now, I've heard different things. Some people say cloaks. 331 00:20:32.839 --> 00:20:35.160 We just had was our boy justin as a matter 332 00:20:35.160 --> 00:20:37.200 of fact, Jonathan who was talking about how it was 333 00:20:37.279 --> 00:20:41.640 the breastplate of judgment that the Rabbi class would wear, 334 00:20:41.680 --> 00:20:44.759 and they're saying that that might be the garment because Adam, 335 00:20:44.799 --> 00:20:47.359 why were supposed to be the priestly class. 336 00:20:46.960 --> 00:20:49.160 And all these things about their roles and all this. 337 00:20:49.640 --> 00:20:53.039 So I've heard things saying that possibly Nimrod took that 338 00:20:53.559 --> 00:20:58.119 the original priestley class breastplate of judgment and that was 339 00:20:58.160 --> 00:21:00.519 that he's all took back and all this stuff too. 340 00:21:01.039 --> 00:21:03.359 But I mean, who's to say. But yeah, I've never 341 00:21:03.400 --> 00:21:07.799 heard that this was the remains of Adam. I see 342 00:21:07.960 --> 00:21:10.079 where that could be coming from, but I've never heard 343 00:21:10.079 --> 00:21:10.880 of it like that before. 344 00:21:11.000 --> 00:21:13.960 Yeah. I found an article right here that says it's 345 00:21:13.960 --> 00:21:16.799 from taught bydegree dot WordPress dot com. So I don't 346 00:21:16.799 --> 00:21:20.680 know how relevant it is, but it says yet it 347 00:21:20.799 --> 00:21:24.279 was God who ultimately provided them with garments of skin 348 00:21:24.559 --> 00:21:28.279 before expelling them from paradise, and that could have been 349 00:21:28.680 --> 00:21:33.559 maybe the precursor to the lambskin apron and freemasonry. 350 00:21:34.519 --> 00:21:37.440 As far. Yeah, and that that apron, you can trace 351 00:21:37.480 --> 00:21:40.839 that back all the way into Zoroastrianism. It's it's got 352 00:21:40.839 --> 00:21:44.200 a long history the apron. If you read the Geneva Bible, 353 00:21:45.000 --> 00:21:49.680 they say that God put Adam and Eve in briches. So, 354 00:21:50.440 --> 00:21:53.240 you know, there's a lot of different stories. But when 355 00:21:53.279 --> 00:21:56.480 you take it back to the furthest point of the 356 00:21:56.519 --> 00:22:02.279 original vernacular, it basically entakes the idea that we were 357 00:22:02.480 --> 00:22:07.519 clothed with skin to be able to descend into matter. 358 00:22:08.119 --> 00:22:11.240 And then the thing is with this whole idea of 359 00:22:11.480 --> 00:22:16.400 Nimrod being a skin walker, right, it's Madam Blovotsky and 360 00:22:16.720 --> 00:22:20.119 isis Unveiled volume one. She says at the age of 361 00:22:20.880 --> 00:22:25.359 twenty two that Nimrod puts these skins on and become 362 00:22:25.559 --> 00:22:30.480 and basically becomes the man of great renown. So that 363 00:22:30.640 --> 00:22:34.640 is the point, because up until that point, Nimrod was 364 00:22:34.799 --> 00:22:38.200 sacrificing to the Lord. He was bringing the best of 365 00:22:38.240 --> 00:22:40.599 the you know, so he was on the side of 366 00:22:40.960 --> 00:22:44.000 but it was once he put these skins on that 367 00:22:44.240 --> 00:22:49.039 he kind of became you know this this gooborum. 368 00:22:49.400 --> 00:22:53.079 So this is where you're getting the idea that he 369 00:22:53.240 --> 00:22:55.960 was a skin walker because he was quite literally wearing 370 00:22:56.119 --> 00:22:57.599 skin that. 371 00:22:58.039 --> 00:23:01.880 Or a cloak even potentially Yeah, oh my god. 372 00:23:02.039 --> 00:23:05.559 So let's say that he was wearing the actual the 373 00:23:05.599 --> 00:23:10.079 actual skin of Adam, right, I mean, what does that do? 374 00:23:10.079 --> 00:23:12.759 Does it give you some kind does it shield you 375 00:23:12.799 --> 00:23:15.920 from God? Or is that why he turned against God 376 00:23:15.960 --> 00:23:18.400 and started, you know, going down the bad path or whatever. 377 00:23:18.440 --> 00:23:20.279 Because you were just saying that he was kind of 378 00:23:20.319 --> 00:23:21.880 on the good side, and then as soon as he 379 00:23:22.440 --> 00:23:26.960 you know, put these garments of skin possibly onto his body, 380 00:23:27.400 --> 00:23:29.960 then he kinda went to the dark side. 381 00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:34.680 So to say, right, very much Star Wars analogous kind 382 00:23:34.720 --> 00:23:37.920 of thing with you know, like Anakin flipping the script, 383 00:23:37.960 --> 00:23:41.039 you know. But yeah, basically, and that was when he 384 00:23:41.119 --> 00:23:45.079 became the ruler over all of Mesopotamy. And you know 385 00:23:45.279 --> 00:23:51.519 he he's basically the lord of the Canniballs. The Canniballs 386 00:23:51.519 --> 00:23:54.599 were the priests of Ball, you know, and and there 387 00:23:54.720 --> 00:23:58.839 was you know, all of the miscellaneous uh you know, 388 00:23:58.960 --> 00:24:03.960 blood magic and anibalism, and you know the picture you 389 00:24:04.039 --> 00:24:08.880 see in Revelations where there is the sun, the lady 390 00:24:08.960 --> 00:24:13.240 clothed by the sun giving birth, and the the red 391 00:24:13.359 --> 00:24:16.559 dragon is there, you know, basically to devour the infant. 392 00:24:17.000 --> 00:24:22.119 That is a literal description of Nimrod, the black fiery 393 00:24:22.240 --> 00:24:27.400 serpent from ancient Babylon. So you know, tying that into 394 00:24:27.440 --> 00:24:31.200 modern you know, revelations and apocalypse and kind of so 395 00:24:31.279 --> 00:24:35.039 this character of Nimrod, he's kind of really woven into 396 00:24:35.759 --> 00:24:37.720 you know a lot of and you even see him 397 00:24:37.759 --> 00:24:41.359 in money Tunes cartoons, you know, with Bugs Bunny and 398 00:24:41.440 --> 00:24:44.680 Elmer Fudd, you know, calling or Daffy Duck calling people Nimrod. 399 00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:48.960 You know, yeah, they became a colloquialism for for basically 400 00:24:49.000 --> 00:24:49.599 a dumb ass. 401 00:24:50.119 --> 00:24:52.160 Yeah, it was a it was a Green Day album 402 00:24:52.200 --> 00:24:53.480 called Nimrod, right. 403 00:24:54.680 --> 00:24:57.519 And that's yes, that's a modern English vernacular, we get that. 404 00:24:57.640 --> 00:25:00.599 But also there's there's a chain of Vince that went 405 00:25:00.680 --> 00:25:03.440 from this guy being the first man of greatness and 406 00:25:03.480 --> 00:25:06.599 the greatest huntsman for the Lord to now his name 407 00:25:06.720 --> 00:25:08.440 means somebody of low. 408 00:25:08.279 --> 00:25:10.480 Iq, you know what I mean. He was a far 409 00:25:10.599 --> 00:25:11.079 line there. 410 00:25:11.200 --> 00:25:15.200 Liked it was because he was the rebeller who was 411 00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:20.680 rebelled against. He basically rebelled against the system that he 412 00:25:20.720 --> 00:25:23.960 was under, and because of the way he treated his people, 413 00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:26.960 they rebelled against him. So he was kind of a 414 00:25:27.039 --> 00:25:30.960 dumbass in that way. But the thing is, when you 415 00:25:31.000 --> 00:25:35.240 look at Nimrod in relation to the idea of Ninnis 416 00:25:35.880 --> 00:25:39.799 or young nin, which is where nine inch nails gets 417 00:25:39.799 --> 00:25:43.920 their ni n relates back to Nimrod right as as 418 00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:47.279 young when Nimrod was young, he was called nin n 419 00:25:47.279 --> 00:25:53.240 i n. But nonetheless, that character ties in with tam Ouz, 420 00:25:53.720 --> 00:25:58.039 ties in with Addis, ties in with all of these 421 00:25:59.240 --> 00:26:02.640 an osiers as well. You know, all of these god 422 00:26:02.720 --> 00:26:08.279 formed men that were cut up that were you know, 423 00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:12.640 like and they like the worshipers, you know, they would 424 00:26:12.680 --> 00:26:15.359 clip their hair so you would get like you see 425 00:26:15.359 --> 00:26:20.720 Friar Tuck with the round tunture. That was in relation 426 00:26:20.799 --> 00:26:24.160 to the worship of Nimrod or this ancient mystery force. 427 00:26:24.759 --> 00:26:29.119 Because what happens is this the whole thing kind of 428 00:26:29.160 --> 00:26:32.640 goes underground at a certain point, and that's when you 429 00:26:32.759 --> 00:26:37.279 get the rise of these various mystery schools. They kind 430 00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:42.200 of are are, you know, worshiping the Adonis and Addis, 431 00:26:42.480 --> 00:26:48.920 and so it creates the foundation of what would become 432 00:26:49.359 --> 00:26:56.640 within modern times, the Freemasons, the Rosicrucians, the Jesuits, you know, 433 00:26:56.839 --> 00:27:00.319 all these orders kind of tying in with you know, 434 00:27:00.359 --> 00:27:05.480 because ignacious Loyola even was into the Sofia mystery schools. 435 00:27:06.079 --> 00:27:09.119 Yeah, so, I mean, especially like we said, we have 436 00:27:09.160 --> 00:27:11.640 to it depends on which source you're reading, right, because 437 00:27:12.200 --> 00:27:14.839 there are some sources that say that he was Nimrod 438 00:27:14.920 --> 00:27:17.839 himself was I think the grandson of Noah. 439 00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:19.119 He was one of the sons of. 440 00:27:19.119 --> 00:27:22.200 Ham which went to Africa and all these things, the 441 00:27:22.279 --> 00:27:26.240 land of Kush, and that's one storyline. There's another storyline 442 00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:28.319 that says that he was a direct ascendant of Osiris. 443 00:27:28.359 --> 00:27:32.759 And it really depends on especially in our modern day 444 00:27:32.839 --> 00:27:35.160 when we have all the access to all this information. 445 00:27:35.759 --> 00:27:38.160 We're looking at the mystery cults and the mystery schools 446 00:27:38.200 --> 00:27:40.559 and what this Lauren legends say. Do we go off 447 00:27:40.599 --> 00:27:42.319 of this book, do we go off of this text, 448 00:27:42.319 --> 00:27:45.200 do we go off of this culture? It varies source 449 00:27:45.240 --> 00:27:48.599 to source, sod but everybody think he was a real 450 00:27:48.680 --> 00:27:51.359 dude that was the king during the time framing question. 451 00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:56.519 Yes, potentially, or a title of a king that was 452 00:27:56.559 --> 00:27:59.640 passed down through multiple generations. But if you look at 453 00:27:59.640 --> 00:28:04.440 the you know, within the Albert Mackie's Freemasonic Encyclopedia, right, 454 00:28:05.000 --> 00:28:08.599 he talks about Osiris as going out and edifying the 455 00:28:08.599 --> 00:28:13.079 world with this train of satyrs and nymphs behind him, 456 00:28:13.319 --> 00:28:17.640 and he's basically teaching you know, architecture and you know 457 00:28:17.839 --> 00:28:20.680 weights and measures and so and that's the same thing 458 00:28:20.759 --> 00:28:25.240 Dionysus was doing, you know, so all of these But 459 00:28:25.480 --> 00:28:28.359 the description of Nimrod and what he did is the 460 00:28:28.400 --> 00:28:31.480 same as the description of Osiris and what he did 461 00:28:31.839 --> 00:28:33.359 is the same in a lot of ways is what 462 00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:38.359 Cain did. So you have you know, in some ways, 463 00:28:38.759 --> 00:28:41.440 I think that when you go back into the Egyptian 464 00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:48.839 mysteries and thought basically writing, creating reality, writing it into existence, right, 465 00:28:49.839 --> 00:28:55.720 that thought almost is writing these characters that he's writing 466 00:28:55.799 --> 00:29:00.839 himself as numerous characters that are playing a passion play 467 00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:04.640 or a theater with one another. That that and it 468 00:29:04.720 --> 00:29:10.680 is a passion play essentially, that we're learning about the 469 00:29:10.720 --> 00:29:15.359 mysteries of these concepts and these ideas, right, And and 470 00:29:15.480 --> 00:29:19.160 you bring that into the uh the Tyrians, the Tyrians 471 00:29:19.160 --> 00:29:22.599 who helped King Solomon with the temple that were the 472 00:29:22.759 --> 00:29:26.400 gibb them of the earth, that the Freemasons traced themselves 473 00:29:26.440 --> 00:29:29.960 back to right, they became the Dionysians coming into Greece 474 00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:32.759 and they over you know, so they were like a 475 00:29:32.799 --> 00:29:37.000 libertine kind of government, like they overthrew the current order 476 00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:41.319 wherever they went, and they built these temples, these sacred spaces, 477 00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:45.000 and they also built the theaters, so they were putting 478 00:29:45.079 --> 00:29:49.440 on these passion plays for the communities, you know, and 479 00:29:49.839 --> 00:29:53.319 you just can see it expanding through and you know, 480 00:29:53.400 --> 00:29:57.160 the philosophers of the time talk about, well, Dionysus is 481 00:29:57.720 --> 00:30:03.319 basically you know, ties in with Addis, and so you 482 00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:10.119 just see constantly how there's the rebranding of this these ideas, 483 00:30:10.519 --> 00:30:14.200 these occult mystery schools kind of through time as they 484 00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:18.920 progress from Southeast Asia into Greece into becoming the apex 485 00:30:19.279 --> 00:30:22.559 of you know, the Roman religion, and then the fall 486 00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:25.640 of Rome and again they go underd and now you've 487 00:30:25.640 --> 00:30:30.640 got David Bloomberg, you know, getting that Temple of Mythris 488 00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:34.240 and rebuilding it, you know, and you've got just you know, 489 00:30:35.200 --> 00:30:39.920 from you know, the Obelisk stone in the un Building 490 00:30:40.480 --> 00:30:44.680 to the Capital Dome of the United States being the 491 00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:49.079 pregnant belly of Isis with the apotheosis of George Washington 492 00:30:49.319 --> 00:30:54.480 turning into a god. You just see these these amalgamated forms, 493 00:30:54.839 --> 00:30:57.480 you know, kind of in everything around us. 494 00:30:57.519 --> 00:31:02.079 Really, yeah, everything seems so simple. And you know, me 495 00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:05.599 and Jacob were the way that we kind of like 496 00:31:05.759 --> 00:31:08.599 to view a lot of this kind of spiritual and 497 00:31:08.720 --> 00:31:12.400 historical kind of stuff is he's more exoteric. I'm more 498 00:31:12.440 --> 00:31:17.839 of the esoteric variety. He loves the historical context of it. 499 00:31:17.920 --> 00:31:20.359 And this guy came from this guy, and well this 500 00:31:20.440 --> 00:31:22.559 had to have happened and stuff, And I think that 501 00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:25.240 there's absolutely a place for that. And I think that 502 00:31:25.680 --> 00:31:27.720 you know, you were talking about how he was kind 503 00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:30.319 of involved Nimrov was kind of involved in the mystery 504 00:31:30.359 --> 00:31:34.119 schools and stuff like that. So that leads me to go, well, 505 00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:36.119 I mean, there has there had to have been some 506 00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:40.839 kind of esoteric It's like kind of a Culton mystery 507 00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:43.759 school of some kind of teaching that was going on there, 508 00:31:44.079 --> 00:31:47.240 and whether he was actually you know, because you had 509 00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:51.119 mentioned about how there's two different possible Nimrods here. Maybe 510 00:31:51.160 --> 00:31:53.119 there was the one that was kind of relating back 511 00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:55.240 to the Thoth times, and then there's the one that's 512 00:31:55.279 --> 00:31:58.480 relating to the Noah Times. And do you think that 513 00:31:58.559 --> 00:32:01.759 the stories did they interconnect or are we talking about 514 00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:05.559 two completely separate individuals here or does it even matter 515 00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:08.519 if you're looking at it from a mystery school perspective. 516 00:32:09.079 --> 00:32:12.200 I think there are a vast number of connections you 517 00:32:12.279 --> 00:32:15.680 can make. But what I think happens is as it 518 00:32:15.759 --> 00:32:19.559 kind of fans out and moves through these different cultures. 519 00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:23.559 Like so if you take Addis, right, he was known 520 00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:29.359 as the tall standing pine tree, right, But then you 521 00:32:29.400 --> 00:32:31.720 go back to a Cyrus and he was known as 522 00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:35.319 the tall standing fir tree. So it was dependent upon 523 00:32:36.119 --> 00:32:41.000 the local you know, things that were available to them, 524 00:32:41.400 --> 00:32:44.200 that kind of and and you know, you've got cases 525 00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:48.799 where you can see they're bringing in like Mother Kybell 526 00:32:49.039 --> 00:32:52.640 or Kibili and Addis into certain areas. And what they 527 00:32:52.680 --> 00:32:59.200 would do is they would overlay the fertility goddess with Kibli, right, 528 00:32:59.599 --> 00:33:01.440 And then in a couple of years later, and this 529 00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:04.039 is what they did in Rome as well, was they 530 00:33:04.079 --> 00:33:08.680 brought Kibili in from Phrygia, and she, you know, got 531 00:33:08.720 --> 00:33:11.960 her temple on the Palatine Hill, right, and she's an 532 00:33:12.039 --> 00:33:17.000 old goddess, right. She goes back to before I think 533 00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:22.640 to a different, different time when the polestar was worshiped 534 00:33:23.240 --> 00:33:26.200 and essentially she was considered as the mother of all 535 00:33:26.319 --> 00:33:29.519 the gods. So when she got to Rome, all of 536 00:33:29.559 --> 00:33:34.319 the Roman gods were consolidated and started to participate in 537 00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:37.960 her rituals. That's when you have the tabulum where they 538 00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:41.039 would you know, cut the bull's neck and you'd have 539 00:33:41.200 --> 00:33:44.359 the person underneath that would get showered in the in 540 00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:47.640 the blood of the bull, and and you know, so 541 00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:50.480 all of these and you would see, uh, you would 542 00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:56.400 see mars and ares practices coming into Mother Kibili. But 543 00:33:56.599 --> 00:34:02.079 then they brought the Addis cult after that, After Mother 544 00:34:02.160 --> 00:34:06.400 Kibbilei was established, the other half, which had been transitioning 545 00:34:06.440 --> 00:34:11.400 through Dionysus, actually comes in. And at first Rome was 546 00:34:11.440 --> 00:34:16.440 really appalled because you know, they're doing these transgressive things. 547 00:34:16.840 --> 00:34:21.159 There's like lots of uh, you know, cutting and blood involved, 548 00:34:21.639 --> 00:34:25.800 and uh it's uh you know so, but over time 549 00:34:27.119 --> 00:34:32.119 attas became totally normalized, you know. So again you can 550 00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:35.440 see how these things move through the cultures and are 551 00:34:35.480 --> 00:34:40.079 rebranded through the transitions based on the local you know, 552 00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:43.880 fauna and flora and the symbols that they can use 553 00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:46.159 that that are equivalent per se. 554 00:34:46.960 --> 00:34:50.840 Yeah, dude, I I just I I love looking into 555 00:34:51.039 --> 00:34:54.280 the esoteric variety of it and trying to understand, like, 556 00:34:54.360 --> 00:34:57.760 all right, the the the mystery school aspect here, like 557 00:34:57.800 --> 00:35:01.320 were these things and these people and their special powers? 558 00:35:01.360 --> 00:35:05.199 Are there their god like abilities? Like were these symbolic 559 00:35:05.360 --> 00:35:08.800 of something that they could use within their practice or 560 00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:11.719 you know? Or or were they? I mean, I don't 561 00:35:11.719 --> 00:35:14.840 know what do we think about Greek gods and goddesses 562 00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:18.920 and stuff like that? Is it fiction, fable reality? I 563 00:35:18.920 --> 00:35:21.559 mean most people would probably say that it's more myth 564 00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:23.239 than reality. Right. 565 00:35:23.480 --> 00:35:24.840 They thought it was real though. 566 00:35:25.079 --> 00:35:27.679 They didn't think they were praying to Hermes in a metaphor. 567 00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:30.719 They thought they were absolutely making a sacrifice to him, 568 00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:31.960 or to Zeus or to Neptune. 569 00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:34.480 Now cut to Rome, well as Mercury and Jupiter and 570 00:35:34.559 --> 00:35:35.719 Mars the same shit. 571 00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:38.559 Yeah, yeah, yeah, And when you get into that, what's 572 00:35:38.599 --> 00:35:43.039 really interesting is, uh so these within the mystery schools, 573 00:35:43.039 --> 00:35:49.679 they're also linked in with these different prophetic organizations. As 574 00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:53.119 far as the Sibiline oracle, as far as you know, 575 00:35:53.760 --> 00:35:56.440 there was an oracle of the Donna that was to Zeus. 576 00:35:57.199 --> 00:36:00.719 There was oracles in Egypt. A lot of this stuff 577 00:36:01.599 --> 00:36:05.039 has the ritual of the mystery school, but also ties 578 00:36:05.119 --> 00:36:09.519 in with the idea of ecstatic prophecy. Right. What you 579 00:36:09.559 --> 00:36:12.000 see in in the Hebrew culture a lot what you 580 00:36:12.039 --> 00:36:15.159 see in the Greek culture a lot fate, you know, 581 00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:18.760 moving into Rome. But that was the whole thing. These uh, 582 00:36:18.920 --> 00:36:24.360 these oracles, they were a re combinant brought back to 583 00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:29.880 life of the ancient Chaldean oracles and these Chaldean oracles 584 00:36:29.880 --> 00:36:33.039 and this is in Babylon, right, But they would basically 585 00:36:33.639 --> 00:36:37.920 do these certain rituals to summon up energies to basically 586 00:36:38.039 --> 00:36:42.960 commune with these very much like the breastplate of judgment 587 00:36:43.119 --> 00:36:45.159 that we were talking about earlier. I feel it was 588 00:36:45.159 --> 00:36:47.719 a sort of like a Oiji board almost where they 589 00:36:47.719 --> 00:36:52.079 were using this as a mechanism to basically talk to 590 00:36:52.760 --> 00:36:57.159 entities in other realms, you know. So so when you 591 00:36:57.199 --> 00:37:02.400 get into that, the Chaldean or or were all dedicated 592 00:37:02.480 --> 00:37:05.280 to a lot of the Greek, the Greek different gods 593 00:37:05.559 --> 00:37:08.880 kind of had crossover. But and then when you look 594 00:37:08.920 --> 00:37:12.960 at Zeus and the overthrow of the Titans, that story 595 00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:17.199 actually goes back to Kombari and another overthrow story that 596 00:37:17.320 --> 00:37:20.960 kind of from the Aah atall Mountains that kind of 597 00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:24.239 came down in and became the title Mancy of the Greeks, 598 00:37:24.559 --> 00:37:27.159 so you see all and it's just like the David 599 00:37:27.199 --> 00:37:30.559 and Goliath story in Judaism, right, you can relate that 600 00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:33.880 back to a further story of a young kid flinging 601 00:37:33.880 --> 00:37:36.800 a stone and killing a giant that goes, you know, 602 00:37:37.519 --> 00:37:40.519 thousands of years earlier than the story of David. So 603 00:37:40.679 --> 00:37:45.000 all of these stories that have a tendency to repeat them, 604 00:37:45.480 --> 00:37:49.440 you know, over and over. And is it, like Jesus said, 605 00:37:49.599 --> 00:37:54.039 is it a parable? It's something that's teaching us that 606 00:37:54.119 --> 00:37:57.599 has an inherent message that that we need to learn, 607 00:37:58.159 --> 00:38:02.039 you know, or are these actual you know, real gods 608 00:38:02.079 --> 00:38:03.239 fighting in the heavens? 609 00:38:03.320 --> 00:38:07.400 And you know, I mean even if they are, like 610 00:38:07.480 --> 00:38:09.840 let's just say that some of the Greek gods or 611 00:38:09.880 --> 00:38:13.360 whatever are actually real, Like all right, well, what kind 612 00:38:13.400 --> 00:38:15.639 of effect does that have on us with the information 613 00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:17.960 that we have on them? You know, like we're not 614 00:38:18.039 --> 00:38:20.280 going to really have any major effect on if the 615 00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:24.280 gods are fighting in heaven so to say, But it seems. 616 00:38:24.639 --> 00:38:28.960 Within the esoteric philosophy as above so below, as in 617 00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:32.280 heaven soul on Earth. So there's been even within Christianity, 618 00:38:32.360 --> 00:38:36.440 you know, and Jesus says, you know, the stars in 619 00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:39.360 the heavens will show you the sign of the times, 620 00:38:39.679 --> 00:38:46.440 you know. So it's inherent within the esoteric philosophies that 621 00:38:46.480 --> 00:38:50.400 have developed. You know that each of these gods is 622 00:38:50.440 --> 00:38:53.840 directly related to a planet, you know. But that's the 623 00:38:53.920 --> 00:38:57.800 other thing. You have this idea of apophiosis right where 624 00:38:58.000 --> 00:39:02.320 some of the temples in Egypt and Greece, like Hippocrates, 625 00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:06.960 how he has the finger over his lips, you know, 626 00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:10.920 to keep silent. That's really if you read the old philosophers, 627 00:39:11.199 --> 00:39:16.039 they say that basically the secret was that these god 628 00:39:16.119 --> 00:39:20.159 men were actually men of great renown that had died 629 00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:24.800 and had become worshiped and turned into God's. So you 630 00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:27.920 have this idea of apotheosis and the same yeah, the 631 00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:31.280 same thing in Washington, d C. With George Washington in 632 00:39:31.280 --> 00:39:34.480 the Capitol Dome. The name of that painting is the 633 00:39:34.519 --> 00:39:38.519 Apotheosis of George Washington. And as a culture in America, 634 00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:41.400 in a lot of ways, we have turned George Washington 635 00:39:41.760 --> 00:39:45.199 as a founding father with all the mystic stories, you know, 636 00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:50.880 into a sort of godhead that created our nation, you know. 637 00:39:50.960 --> 00:39:56.440 So these are things that that, yes, or esoteric, but 638 00:39:56.599 --> 00:40:02.400 also directly apply to how physical reac is manifest by 639 00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:06.440 capturing people's imagination and using belief systems. 640 00:40:08.840 --> 00:40:12.079 See that through multiple cultures too, or especially around the Mediterranean. 641 00:40:12.119 --> 00:40:15.159 There was a very common practice in Rome for a 642 00:40:15.199 --> 00:40:17.960 good while there that once the Caesar, first of all, 643 00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:20.719 the Caesar should be worshiped as if he was a 644 00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:21.480 god on earth. 645 00:40:21.639 --> 00:40:22.960 Not all caesars did. 646 00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:26.000 That, but good chunk of them didn't pope direct connection. 647 00:40:26.599 --> 00:40:28.639 Then you had some of these guys that would have 648 00:40:28.760 --> 00:40:32.519 statues of themselves built and put into the temples all 649 00:40:32.559 --> 00:40:36.480 around the Mediterrane, from Egypt to Anatolia to everywhere, and 650 00:40:36.519 --> 00:40:39.880 you would have you could say the term mystery cult. 651 00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:41.599 But at that point it wasn't exactly a mystery. It 652 00:40:41.639 --> 00:40:44.880 was usually for the sportily class who were worshiping their 653 00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:48.480 generals and Caesars as demi gods in their own rights. 654 00:40:48.599 --> 00:40:51.039 And I mean that was something that the Romans did 655 00:40:51.039 --> 00:40:53.239 for sure. The Greeks did a version of that, if 656 00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:55.519 I'm not mistaken. I mean, and they didn't just come 657 00:40:55.599 --> 00:40:58.719 up with that on their own. So having these people 658 00:40:58.719 --> 00:41:01.039 that lived and walked the earth, even within at the 659 00:41:01.079 --> 00:41:05.039 time current living memory to become I forget the way 660 00:41:05.079 --> 00:41:09.679 you're not a pathosis apotheosis to become a demi god 661 00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:11.679 like that was absolutely a part of it, dude. 662 00:41:11.719 --> 00:41:14.760 That's another example of that too, is I always like 663 00:41:14.800 --> 00:41:18.400 to mention that, uh autobiography of a yogi, it's Paramahansa 664 00:41:18.480 --> 00:41:23.280 Yogananda and his yogi was called Shri yuk de Shwar 665 00:41:23.840 --> 00:41:26.639 and like he would he actually lived, you know, uh 666 00:41:26.880 --> 00:41:29.199 like was trained by him in real life. And uh 667 00:41:29.559 --> 00:41:32.039 like Shri you Deshwar was obviously older than him. He 668 00:41:32.079 --> 00:41:35.920 was the yogi, he was the teacher. And anyway, Sar 669 00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:40.039 he ends up dying, right and uh, Paramahansa he ends 670 00:41:40.119 --> 00:41:43.039 up going to his funeral and he's there for the 671 00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:46.400 whole ceremony and everything, and like later that day or 672 00:41:46.400 --> 00:41:48.079 a couple of days later or something like that, he's 673 00:41:48.159 --> 00:41:51.400 up in his room and Shrike de Shoar, he says, 674 00:41:51.480 --> 00:41:54.039 comes to him, and he's like there almost as if 675 00:41:54.119 --> 00:41:57.280 he's there in the flesh. And this was a guy 676 00:41:57.360 --> 00:42:01.079 that he was meditating with and learning, you know, all 677 00:42:01.119 --> 00:42:04.880 that there is to be learned within yoga, mysticism and whatnot. 678 00:42:04.960 --> 00:42:08.199 But like I wonder if that's kind of an example 679 00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:11.679 of like like an apotheosis. 680 00:42:12.119 --> 00:42:15.679 Well, and you have Jesus when he's resurrected as well, 681 00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:18.599 you know, he comes back in a pure form and 682 00:42:18.639 --> 00:42:21.840 he says, don't touch me because you'll you'll, you know, 683 00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:26.079 pollute my spirit body, you know. So yeah, there is 684 00:42:26.119 --> 00:42:29.960 some inherent and then you have the idea of you 685 00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:34.920 know about the thirteenth breath rainbow body of the Buddhists, 686 00:42:35.320 --> 00:42:39.000 where basically you're taught the first twelve breaths and then 687 00:42:39.320 --> 00:42:44.920 you've learned by mastering those twelve, the consciousness of the 688 00:42:45.039 --> 00:42:48.719 universe basically teaches you the thirteenth and then you can 689 00:42:48.760 --> 00:42:52.559 ascend and become pure rainbow light without having to die, 690 00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:56.119 much like Enoch or you know, all these characters. 691 00:42:56.199 --> 00:42:59.440 Shit, yeah, I have never even heard of that. Now 692 00:42:59.480 --> 00:43:01.559 I gotta do a whole Metamisteries episode on. 693 00:43:03.480 --> 00:43:06.920 So but yeah, that's the whole thing. And I think, uh, 694 00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:10.239 you know, you go back far enough within the philosophies, 695 00:43:10.559 --> 00:43:13.400 and they believe that when you died, you would go 696 00:43:13.480 --> 00:43:17.239 to shol you'd go to this mediary place where you 697 00:43:17.360 --> 00:43:20.320 waited for the end of time, right, and with the 698 00:43:20.320 --> 00:43:25.000 arise of these mystery schools from Mithrs to you know, 699 00:43:25.239 --> 00:43:31.400 Attis being taken to Mount Olympus by Kibili and Apotheo 700 00:43:31.519 --> 00:43:35.440 size you start, what you start to see is the 701 00:43:35.480 --> 00:43:41.920 inherent nature of humanity, believing in higher forms of existence, 702 00:43:42.679 --> 00:43:50.920 and and that basically matriculating through and eventually becoming modern 703 00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:53.480 you know, Christianity. 704 00:43:53.880 --> 00:43:56.199 So it's essentially like an eggergre at that point, right 705 00:43:57.039 --> 00:44:00.480 in a way. Yeah, yeah, in that sense. Yeah, that's 706 00:44:01.119 --> 00:44:04.320 that's that's wild, dude. I love learning about this stuff 707 00:44:04.519 --> 00:44:07.000 just out of curiosity, Like how did you I mean, 708 00:44:07.039 --> 00:44:09.039 you're an artist, how did you come across all this 709 00:44:09.159 --> 00:44:11.960 kind of information? Like is it just like a fascination 710 00:44:12.239 --> 00:44:13.519 or what did you. 711 00:44:13.480 --> 00:44:17.039 Go from starving artists deadhead on the road following game? 712 00:44:17.360 --> 00:44:19.760 You being so well versed in the ancients, you know. 713 00:44:20.320 --> 00:44:24.480 Well that's the whole thing. So as an artist, I'm 714 00:44:24.519 --> 00:44:28.239 interested in symbolism. So you follow these symbols back and 715 00:44:28.280 --> 00:44:30.719 you're like, well, this is crazy, this is wild, this 716 00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:33.760 is weird, this is cool, and and so you start 717 00:44:33.800 --> 00:44:38.559 to seek out information on the cultures that were using 718 00:44:38.599 --> 00:44:42.119 those symbols, and so, you know, you start reading history, 719 00:44:42.920 --> 00:44:48.079 you start reading esoteric philosophy, you start reading the philosophers 720 00:44:48.440 --> 00:44:52.440 and and and just trying to piece these things together 721 00:44:54.360 --> 00:44:59.119 as a holistic kind of story, you know. So basically, 722 00:44:59.519 --> 00:45:05.039 over the last thirty years, on top of reading, I've 723 00:45:05.079 --> 00:45:09.280 also been able to listen to audiobooks. I have a 724 00:45:09.320 --> 00:45:12.440 couple apps. I have air Natural Reader and I have 725 00:45:13.239 --> 00:45:17.000 a soft Zen Reader. It's just a text to speech app, right, 726 00:45:17.920 --> 00:45:20.639 And if there's if anybody knows of one out there 727 00:45:20.960 --> 00:45:24.519 for the Android, because these are both for for iPhone. 728 00:45:25.079 --> 00:45:28.079 But I got a friend looking for the Android version 729 00:45:28.079 --> 00:45:30.679 of this so that they can take advantage of this 730 00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:33.159 as well. But once you have one of those apps, 731 00:45:33.239 --> 00:45:36.239 the text to speech apps, you can go to archive 732 00:45:36.280 --> 00:45:40.360 dot org. You can go to Congress Library at Congress, 733 00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:43.760 you know, and you can go to these different library 734 00:45:43.800 --> 00:45:48.000 the Gutenberg project, and you can find PDFs of these 735 00:45:48.039 --> 00:45:51.360 books or text you know, files of these books, and 736 00:45:51.440 --> 00:45:54.199 you just drop them in the app. And then while 737 00:45:54.199 --> 00:45:58.400 I'm sitting here doing art, I'm like studying ancient philosophy 738 00:45:58.880 --> 00:46:00.199 for like thirty years. 739 00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:02.360 Just getting in the fucking zone over there, dude. 740 00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:04.159 Yeah, yeah, you know. 741 00:46:04.119 --> 00:46:06.960 What, we probably need something like that to get through 742 00:46:06.960 --> 00:46:09.480 all those damn JFK files because I'm not about to 743 00:46:09.480 --> 00:46:11.760 sit there and read sixty thousand fucking pages. 744 00:46:12.280 --> 00:46:14.119 You know, I've been doing my digging on that, and 745 00:46:14.159 --> 00:46:16.000 we will release an episode on it soon. 746 00:46:16.199 --> 00:46:17.719 I hate to break into everybody. 747 00:46:18.119 --> 00:46:21.960 Sixty thousand pages released, fifty thousand of them have nothing 748 00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:23.840 to do with anything. 749 00:46:23.360 --> 00:46:26.239 That really matters. So here's here's what happened on that. 750 00:46:26.280 --> 00:46:27.920 I'm not going to spend a long diet tribal on 751 00:46:27.960 --> 00:46:31.000 this one, but just so everybody's clear here, every single 752 00:46:31.119 --> 00:46:34.320 document associated with the Warren Commission got thrown in that 753 00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:38.079 file for the next twenty years. Every document that even 754 00:46:38.119 --> 00:46:41.360 had the name Kennedy on it got thrown in this file. 755 00:46:41.639 --> 00:46:44.199 So of the sixty thousand that just got released, half 756 00:46:44.239 --> 00:46:47.199 of them aren't even first person accounts. Half of them 757 00:46:47.480 --> 00:46:52.280 don't even actually apply. There's maybe ten thousand, give or 758 00:46:52.280 --> 00:46:54.599 take pages that are like of worth that we could 759 00:46:54.639 --> 00:46:55.280 look into. 760 00:46:55.639 --> 00:46:56.800 And some of them are great. 761 00:46:56.800 --> 00:46:59.480 Some of them have some bombshells about Lee Harvey and 762 00:46:59.480 --> 00:47:02.559 his communeistic ties. Some of them have some three letter 763 00:47:02.639 --> 00:47:05.119 agencies that are implemented. Some of them talk about the 764 00:47:05.159 --> 00:47:08.480 cover up, no doubt, the vast majority of them are 765 00:47:08.559 --> 00:47:11.519 just like filler shit, and it's it's frustrating as hell. 766 00:47:11.599 --> 00:47:14.360 I think that's probably what you get with. I don't know, 767 00:47:14.679 --> 00:47:18.039 is that a freedom of information thing or was that 768 00:47:18.239 --> 00:47:20.480 just an executive order? 769 00:47:20.880 --> 00:47:24.360 Yeah, information only goes if it's free to the public. 770 00:47:24.840 --> 00:47:27.360 So like, if there's still something that's considered top secret, 771 00:47:27.400 --> 00:47:29.519 you can't put in a foyer request and get that release, 772 00:47:29.639 --> 00:47:32.000 you know what I mean. The candy stuff was listed 773 00:47:32.079 --> 00:47:33.599 as that up until recently. 774 00:47:33.639 --> 00:47:36.280 Well, I just I know that, or I've heard other 775 00:47:36.320 --> 00:47:40.119 people trying to request, you know, certain foyas and stuff 776 00:47:40.159 --> 00:47:42.119 like that, and they say, you know, you have to 777 00:47:42.119 --> 00:47:44.360 be real specific. It's almost like whenever you go to 778 00:47:44.400 --> 00:47:46.880 the Vatican Library, you have to name the exact book 779 00:47:46.920 --> 00:47:48.519 that you're looking for us they won't get it to 780 00:47:48.559 --> 00:47:50.440 you right and spelling. 781 00:47:50.679 --> 00:47:53.880 You know the fact that when you going through these texts, 782 00:47:53.920 --> 00:47:56.880 you find nim a Mood, you find Nimrod, you find 783 00:47:57.199 --> 00:48:01.599 nimu Roud, you find just so even if you're looking, 784 00:48:01.679 --> 00:48:04.199 you know, are you looking for Lee Harvey Oswald? Are 785 00:48:04.199 --> 00:48:08.159 you looking for the Oswald or you know, the whole 786 00:48:08.199 --> 00:48:13.679 two Oswald's kind of thing, It's like it's like, you know, yeah, it's. 787 00:48:13.519 --> 00:48:17.400 Oh comma could throw off the entire thing. Harvey, Kama 788 00:48:17.480 --> 00:48:22.480 Oswald Oswald comma leeve, Harley, Harvey, did you forget that comma? 789 00:48:22.519 --> 00:48:24.760 Now we're looking for some guy with the first name Oswald, 790 00:48:24.880 --> 00:48:28.440 last name Harvey. That one little thing and they'll they'll 791 00:48:28.480 --> 00:48:29.920 give you what they'll find. 792 00:48:29.679 --> 00:48:34.400 Nothing nothing right. Yeah, Well, and if you go back 793 00:48:34.440 --> 00:48:39.320 to uh when they found in uh, what was it 794 00:48:39.960 --> 00:48:44.840 when they found the new ma leash basically the the 795 00:48:45.159 --> 00:48:49.639 all the baked clay tablets of the Sumerians. You know, 796 00:48:49.760 --> 00:48:51.840 they took all those back to not all of them, 797 00:48:51.880 --> 00:48:54.159 they're still digging them out, but they took like one 798 00:48:54.239 --> 00:48:57.239 hundred thousand of them back to England and most of 799 00:48:57.280 --> 00:49:02.360 them were John traded and for you gold pecks and 800 00:49:02.800 --> 00:49:05.320 you know wheat deal and like it's like you know. 801 00:49:05.679 --> 00:49:09.559 Receipt right, stuff like is awesome. Don't get me on. 802 00:49:09.880 --> 00:49:13.000 Because we know how to read the cuneiform b language. 803 00:49:13.079 --> 00:49:15.280 It gives us a real good snapshot of what life 804 00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:20.360 was like, which is awesome. But people were like, oh, 805 00:49:20.440 --> 00:49:23.360 this is the greatest techno, the greatest information. 806 00:49:22.960 --> 00:49:24.440 Ever and that it's like, dude, it's a receipt. 807 00:49:24.760 --> 00:49:26.719 Well, it's also pretty cool to see what ship was 808 00:49:26.719 --> 00:49:29.360 worth if you're trading something, trading this for that, you 809 00:49:29.400 --> 00:49:31.159 know the value in certain things. 810 00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:35.639 But within all of those those baked clad tablets, they 811 00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:39.719 found the Epic of Gilgamesh, just one little nugget, you know, 812 00:49:39.760 --> 00:49:42.400 and it's not very long, you know, And they found 813 00:49:42.400 --> 00:49:45.440 a couple other little stories here and there. So you know, 814 00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:49.400 as we go through and we have AI translating these tablets, 815 00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:54.599 now you know, we may come up with new mythologies, 816 00:49:54.800 --> 00:49:58.800 new passion plays news stores, because you figure the those 817 00:49:59.199 --> 00:50:02.800 just came out and we have you know about what 818 00:50:02.920 --> 00:50:07.480 was it the over there that that old calendar site 819 00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:11.840 that Graham Hancock talks about that's twenty thousand years older 820 00:50:11.840 --> 00:50:17.760 than Bagley Tepe and that is actually called Inky's Calendar, 821 00:50:18.320 --> 00:50:22.039 and Inkley Inky is directly related in as well with Nimrons. 822 00:50:22.119 --> 00:50:23.920 Oh, I don't know that, yeah. 823 00:50:23.880 --> 00:50:28.079 Talking about that tablet in specific. There's no complete story 824 00:50:28.119 --> 00:50:30.440 of the Epic of Gilgamesh that we know of, but 825 00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:32.760 there's one that is the most complete. 826 00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:32.960 Right. 827 00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:34.920 It's got a couples that were broken off and stuff. 828 00:50:35.159 --> 00:50:38.000 Y'all remember hearing about that controversy with the couple that 829 00:50:38.039 --> 00:50:41.840 owns big lots that they oh, man. So they were 830 00:50:41.920 --> 00:50:46.400 buying all of these really specific clay tablets from the 831 00:50:46.440 --> 00:50:49.159 Sameari and all this stuff. One of the ones and 832 00:50:49.199 --> 00:50:50.880 it was like, I forget how many millions of dollars 833 00:50:50.920 --> 00:50:52.920 they spent on this tablet and then come to find 834 00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:54.960 out they weren't even legally allowed to buy it. 835 00:50:55.000 --> 00:50:57.159 So it was this controversy. They got sued. 836 00:50:58.079 --> 00:51:02.960 They bought the most fleet tablet of the Epic of Gilgamesh, 837 00:51:02.960 --> 00:51:08.280 which was crazy because they're very overtly evangelical Christians, so 838 00:51:08.320 --> 00:51:10.639 why would they spend all of this money on that. 839 00:51:10.719 --> 00:51:13.840 It was so fascinating when that came out. But yeah, yeah, 840 00:51:13.840 --> 00:51:14.880 it's wild ship. 841 00:51:15.320 --> 00:51:18.360 Yeah. Well and what was it in the Hillary Clinton 842 00:51:18.440 --> 00:51:25.079 emails how she was looking for the Gilgamesh resurrection chamber 843 00:51:25.199 --> 00:51:26.079 or something along. 844 00:51:25.840 --> 00:51:28.679 Yeah, the tomb or some shit like that, right, yeah. 845 00:51:28.800 --> 00:51:31.800 Yeah. So, you know, it's just interesting how all this 846 00:51:31.880 --> 00:51:35.800 stuff and and within the schools of magic, within the 847 00:51:35.880 --> 00:51:39.440 you know, all of the these magical schools come out 848 00:51:39.480 --> 00:51:43.800 of ancient Samaria, ancient Babylon, you know, coming through all 849 00:51:43.880 --> 00:51:48.199 these various forms and you know the different schools, you know, 850 00:51:48.360 --> 00:51:51.840 fire Wars, it's like, uh, what's it? The uh, the 851 00:51:51.920 --> 00:51:54.719 kids show there with then Little Ninja Kid where it's 852 00:51:54.760 --> 00:51:59.000 like Fireworld and the Fire Warriors against the Water Warriors. 853 00:51:58.559 --> 00:52:01.800 And oh it's our last Araben. Yeah. 854 00:52:01.840 --> 00:52:04.679 Yeah, so very in very many ways. You know, we 855 00:52:04.719 --> 00:52:08.320 have these different schools that have emerged that are trying 856 00:52:08.360 --> 00:52:11.880 to vie for power in the modern you know, age, 857 00:52:12.280 --> 00:52:14.639 and it's it's quite interesting, and. 858 00:52:14.599 --> 00:52:16.199 It would makes sense to me that it would come 859 00:52:16.239 --> 00:52:18.320 from that section of the world, especially at the time 860 00:52:18.360 --> 00:52:20.960 when it did, because the Middle East as a whole 861 00:52:21.119 --> 00:52:25.039 is the crossroads of that entire hemisphere. Right Everything from Africa, 862 00:52:25.079 --> 00:52:27.000 if they're trying to go north, will eventually pass through 863 00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:27.599 this area. 864 00:52:27.719 --> 00:52:30.079 Everything from Europe, everything from Asia, all the stuff. 865 00:52:30.119 --> 00:52:34.400 So when you look at ancient Persia, ancient Babylon, ancient Samaria, 866 00:52:34.480 --> 00:52:37.840 that entire section right there smacked even ancient Egypt. It's 867 00:52:37.920 --> 00:52:40.440 also the crossroads of all of these things to Africa. 868 00:52:40.880 --> 00:52:42.360 You pick up a little bit of this and a 869 00:52:42.360 --> 00:52:44.280 little bit of that along the way you apply it. 870 00:52:44.280 --> 00:52:45.960 And I think that's also kind of where we get 871 00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:48.599 the silk Row religion, the mythrays. It was kind of 872 00:52:48.599 --> 00:52:52.800 an amalgamation of all these things that became its own 873 00:52:52.880 --> 00:52:55.719 subset in and of itself, so it makes a lot 874 00:52:55.760 --> 00:52:56.639 of sense for sure. 875 00:52:57.119 --> 00:53:00.440 Yeah, and Mithra, if you trace Mithra back, that goes 876 00:53:00.519 --> 00:53:06.199 all the way back to the proto Aryan Scythians and 877 00:53:06.480 --> 00:53:09.440 dips it. Part of it dips down into India, and 878 00:53:09.480 --> 00:53:11.840 then part of it comes across and goes into Greece. 879 00:53:13.159 --> 00:53:17.039 And then during that whole time, Mithro was more associated 880 00:53:17.039 --> 00:53:20.920 with the light of day and basically he was the 881 00:53:21.920 --> 00:53:25.039 in charge of contracts and then in charge of like 882 00:53:25.280 --> 00:53:29.280 uh crossroad. He was the original god of the crossroads. 883 00:53:30.159 --> 00:53:32.800 But nonetheless, when you trace it up, there was never 884 00:53:32.880 --> 00:53:35.880 any bull sacrifice in it. But then when the Romans 885 00:53:35.880 --> 00:53:39.400 got it, I think they went back to ancient a Jura, 886 00:53:39.480 --> 00:53:44.159 Mazda and Adiman and that that story basically about them 887 00:53:44.199 --> 00:53:47.599 slaying the cosmic bull, and then the blood of that 888 00:53:47.679 --> 00:53:52.119 bull became all the life on earth in Rome. You know, 889 00:53:52.199 --> 00:53:54.800 That's when you bring it when it became a military 890 00:53:54.880 --> 00:53:58.559 cult essentially, I think that they started doing the bull 891 00:53:58.639 --> 00:54:01.239 slaying and then it changed from the light of day 892 00:54:01.760 --> 00:54:03.760 to the worship of Lucifer at that point. 893 00:54:04.480 --> 00:54:06.360 And it's also crazy to me that, like you said, 894 00:54:06.360 --> 00:54:09.079 the proto Aryan side of things, which would be what 895 00:54:09.119 --> 00:54:12.320 we would now call the Persians or the our Astrians 896 00:54:12.400 --> 00:54:13.559 or modern day. 897 00:54:13.599 --> 00:54:15.400 Iran, right, all these things. 898 00:54:15.800 --> 00:54:19.320 Somehow, some German dudes in the turn of the nineteenth 899 00:54:19.320 --> 00:54:22.440 century or twentieth center, i should say, heard proto Aryan 900 00:54:22.519 --> 00:54:25.199 and was like, yep, tall, blonde, blue eyed guys, never 901 00:54:25.199 --> 00:54:28.239 mind the fact that fucking Persian and definitely didn't have 902 00:54:28.480 --> 00:54:31.199 any of those features, Like hell yeah, and it was 903 00:54:31.519 --> 00:54:32.039 I think it was. 904 00:54:33.800 --> 00:54:35.159 Yeah, yeah, I. 905 00:54:35.119 --> 00:54:37.360 Think you're right about the bull sacrifice too, because, like 906 00:54:37.400 --> 00:54:39.760 you said, the proto Aryan they dipped into India. 907 00:54:40.360 --> 00:54:42.599 No Indian culture is going to tell you to slay 908 00:54:42.639 --> 00:54:48.039 a bull. Sorry, that's not gonna happen. But the Romans, however, absolutely. 909 00:54:47.480 --> 00:54:50.840 Yeah, they're all about some bull. Well, and that that 910 00:54:50.920 --> 00:54:53.960 ties back in with the Serapian bull. There was the 911 00:54:54.119 --> 00:54:57.920 Tyrian bull in Greece. There's been, you know, a long 912 00:54:58.079 --> 00:55:02.679 chain of these various bulls, and in early India there 913 00:55:02.840 --> 00:55:07.719 was actually some sacrifice on key days, you know, based 914 00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:10.519 on the movements of the heavens in accordance with the 915 00:55:10.960 --> 00:55:14.400 cosmic turnings. But that has slowly been phased out. 916 00:55:14.880 --> 00:55:17.760 Yeah yeah, interesting. 917 00:55:17.880 --> 00:55:20.800 So okay, so you as an artist, that's how you 918 00:55:20.800 --> 00:55:21.559 got started all this. 919 00:55:21.639 --> 00:55:23.360 You're looking for the symbolism, and I. 920 00:55:23.360 --> 00:55:26.440 Guess if we're gonna really put a title on it, 921 00:55:26.440 --> 00:55:29.440 we're talking like sigils and sigil magic and things like that. 922 00:55:29.480 --> 00:55:31.199 And I could see how an artist would look at 923 00:55:31.199 --> 00:55:33.400 these things and then make their connections to this as well. 924 00:55:33.840 --> 00:55:37.480 But how much of your research into the ancient things 925 00:55:37.480 --> 00:55:41.119 and the old things was And I'm gonna I'm gonna 926 00:55:41.119 --> 00:55:42.800 try to phrase this, and I don't want this to 927 00:55:42.880 --> 00:55:45.679 sound like I'm being any type of way here, but 928 00:55:46.079 --> 00:55:48.920 especially you being a deadhead and following fish and all 929 00:55:49.000 --> 00:55:52.079 the psychedelic and trippy art that you I'm sure have 930 00:55:52.199 --> 00:55:54.320 major bread and butter on for the past few decades, 931 00:55:54.880 --> 00:55:57.199 how much of it was influenced in that way as 932 00:55:57.239 --> 00:56:01.360 far as psychedelic trance states of life into the ancient 933 00:56:01.400 --> 00:56:03.960 mysticism and then into your artwork as well. 934 00:56:04.400 --> 00:56:07.679 Right, And you know when you get into Shiva, Yeah, 935 00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:11.840 there's a lot of cannabis culture. When you get into 936 00:56:12.039 --> 00:56:17.239 the mystery schools. Dionysus would dip his thersus in a 937 00:56:17.320 --> 00:56:21.000 blue honey and anoint the main ads and they would 938 00:56:21.000 --> 00:56:25.519 go into a state of madness or giastic madness, and 939 00:56:25.559 --> 00:56:28.920 then you get into John Aleegra researching as far as 940 00:56:28.920 --> 00:56:33.960 the Dead Sea scrolls, there was proof that the scenes 941 00:56:34.760 --> 00:56:41.920 were growing silossope mushrooms in caves, which Jesus was a 942 00:56:41.960 --> 00:56:44.320 member of the scenes, and that kind of gets into 943 00:56:44.360 --> 00:56:49.519 melchiesa deck and melchiesa deck was he was carried into 944 00:56:49.519 --> 00:56:53.039 the heavens after his birth before the flood, in accordance 945 00:56:53.079 --> 00:56:58.400 with the third second book of Enoch and basically the 946 00:56:58.400 --> 00:57:01.920 the Hebrews of that time, they believe that it was 947 00:57:01.960 --> 00:57:06.440 this intrinsic force that what they call they called it 948 00:57:06.519 --> 00:57:09.880 the UH, there was a word for it, but it 949 00:57:09.920 --> 00:57:13.159 would basically come in and you would become it. So 950 00:57:13.320 --> 00:57:16.519 I think there was you know, going through these cultures, 951 00:57:16.960 --> 00:57:21.960 you see lots and lots of uses of psychedelics, different 952 00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:25.480 types of The Scithians had two types of hash. They 953 00:57:25.519 --> 00:57:28.679 had a brown hash that was cannabis and they had 954 00:57:28.679 --> 00:57:32.800 a red hash that was opioid based. So you know, 955 00:57:32.880 --> 00:57:35.960 but that's the whole thing, all of these UH different 956 00:57:36.039 --> 00:57:40.679 groups and these prophets, these this ecstatic prophecy and entering 957 00:57:40.760 --> 00:57:47.480 into ecstatic states for communing with the perceived Godhead. You know, 958 00:57:47.639 --> 00:57:51.159 I think that UH that ties in to a great 959 00:57:51.239 --> 00:57:56.639 extent with what is going on in psychedelic culture now 960 00:57:57.119 --> 00:58:00.360 is these kids are you know, and adults, even the 961 00:58:00.400 --> 00:58:04.119 people that are that are participating in this, are doing 962 00:58:04.199 --> 00:58:09.039 this to have some sort of connection to the divine 963 00:58:09.079 --> 00:58:12.320 turnings of the of whatever this reality is. 964 00:58:12.760 --> 00:58:15.920 One hundred percent. And you know a good example of 965 00:58:15.960 --> 00:58:19.639 that would be The Doors of Perception by Aldus Huxley. 966 00:58:20.360 --> 00:58:23.760 And he was I mean, I can't remember which drug 967 00:58:23.920 --> 00:58:28.519 he was hallucinating on. It was something that nobody mescaline, masculine, 968 00:58:28.519 --> 00:58:31.280 that's right, yeah, yeah, and he wrote a whole book 969 00:58:31.360 --> 00:58:35.039 on it. Uh And and actually, from what I understand, 970 00:58:35.119 --> 00:58:37.880 that's where Jim Morrison got the idea for the name 971 00:58:37.880 --> 00:58:40.639 of the Doors was because of the Doors of Perception. 972 00:58:41.480 --> 00:58:45.400 And if you look in Alice Huxley's Mokeshot book, he 973 00:58:45.519 --> 00:58:51.079 specifically talks about we have to find a substitute for 974 00:58:51.679 --> 00:58:54.559 blood ritual and blood magic and the drinking of blood. 975 00:58:54.960 --> 00:58:58.280 And there's all these adrenochrome studies that are going on 976 00:58:58.400 --> 00:59:02.719 around that, and they're basically researching adrenochrome and that, and 977 00:59:02.840 --> 00:59:05.559 there was the fear kind of like how you go 978 00:59:05.559 --> 00:59:07.760 into a k hole, that you could go into an 979 00:59:07.760 --> 00:59:12.599 adrenochrome hole where basically you create your own fear, and 980 00:59:12.639 --> 00:59:17.320 then you start producing your own adrenaline, which decays into adrenochrome, 981 00:59:17.599 --> 00:59:21.480 and you become in this perpetual state of fear that 982 00:59:21.559 --> 00:59:24.360 you couldn't get out of the adrenochrome. 983 00:59:23.719 --> 00:59:27.880 High fuck on that, dude, Yeah. 984 00:59:26.599 --> 00:59:29.559 There's but that's the whole thing. Alvius Huxley, you know 985 00:59:30.199 --> 00:59:34.280 what was the general stubblebind in an interview with Freeman Fly, 986 00:59:35.280 --> 00:59:39.400 basically detailed the fact that Alvis Huxley was the chief 987 00:59:39.440 --> 00:59:41.559 coordinator for the MK Ultra project. 988 00:59:42.119 --> 00:59:47.719 You know, I could believe that, honestly, especially with delving 989 00:59:47.760 --> 00:59:50.199 into mescal into the levels that he did and looking 990 00:59:50.199 --> 00:59:52.880 at it or the principles that it was, I could 991 00:59:52.880 --> 00:59:56.679 see it, and not not with the uh, the darker 992 00:59:56.719 --> 00:59:59.159 side of things of trying to control people, but also 993 00:59:59.199 --> 01:00:03.199 to unlock unopenable doors within the mark. Now, of course, 994 01:00:03.239 --> 01:00:06.000 when a government agency does that, you're only using it 995 01:00:06.000 --> 01:00:09.679 for one purpose. But I could see outside absolutely exactly 996 01:00:09.840 --> 01:00:11.519 right right right, Well. 997 01:00:11.440 --> 01:00:14.000 I think I think that, you know, there are a 998 01:00:14.000 --> 01:00:16.480 lot of people that are looking into some form of 999 01:00:16.519 --> 01:00:20.239 psychedelic to try and see just what this world really is. 1000 01:00:20.320 --> 01:00:22.840 What does it actually mean to be a human. Why 1001 01:00:22.840 --> 01:00:23.440 are we here? 1002 01:00:23.519 --> 01:00:23.679 Now? 1003 01:00:23.719 --> 01:00:25.639 Where did we come from? Where are we going? We 1004 01:00:25.760 --> 01:00:29.199 wonder about, you know, our existence in general. And I 1005 01:00:29.280 --> 01:00:32.639 think there's been so many stories of people having these 1006 01:00:32.800 --> 01:00:37.800 extremely profound things that happen to them whenever they, you know, 1007 01:00:38.079 --> 01:00:41.840 enter the realm of psychedelics, and whether that be mushrooms 1008 01:00:41.920 --> 01:00:46.880 or mescaline or DMT or ayahuasca or whatever whatever you're into, Like, 1009 01:00:47.360 --> 01:00:50.880 there seems to be some correlating factor there that whether 1010 01:00:50.960 --> 01:00:54.440 you're you're seeing another being in the astral realm or 1011 01:00:54.480 --> 01:00:58.559 if you're just seeing like all of these crazy geometric shapes, 1012 01:00:58.599 --> 01:01:02.119 that feels more real than realc I've definitely felt that before, 1013 01:01:02.239 --> 01:01:05.480 and I mean, like, what is the answer to that then, 1014 01:01:05.559 --> 01:01:08.400 Like if that's just the mind tripping, Like my mind 1015 01:01:08.480 --> 01:01:11.440 is not creating that, Like there's there's no way that 1016 01:01:11.559 --> 01:01:15.079 my mind is creating these magnificent let's just even get 1017 01:01:15.079 --> 01:01:18.239 into the geometric symbols. My mind ain't doing that shit. 1018 01:01:18.360 --> 01:01:21.559 Like I can barely draw a fucking triangle, and for 1019 01:01:21.599 --> 01:01:25.039 some reason, I'm getting like the Sistine Chapel of all 1020 01:01:25.400 --> 01:01:29.239 geometrics going on in my mind. Like, and so what 1021 01:01:29.280 --> 01:01:31.280 do you do with that information, I don't know what 1022 01:01:31.320 --> 01:01:31.880 to do with it. 1023 01:01:32.480 --> 01:01:35.159 And it's interesting because I think what you're doing with 1024 01:01:35.239 --> 01:01:39.480 these substances is you're dilating your senses in different ways, 1025 01:01:40.519 --> 01:01:44.280 opening and very much like the opiate opioids close you down, 1026 01:01:44.679 --> 01:01:47.719 where some of these hallucinogens they open up the neural 1027 01:01:47.840 --> 01:01:51.400 receptors so you can intake more information. But what I 1028 01:01:51.440 --> 01:01:56.840 find interesting is consistently, depending upon the substance used, you 1029 01:01:56.880 --> 01:02:02.599 get reports coming back for days, decades of people encountering 1030 01:02:02.719 --> 01:02:06.119 the same energies, the same green goddess that will come 1031 01:02:06.119 --> 01:02:09.719 and teach you about nature, the clockwork elves, these various 1032 01:02:09.800 --> 01:02:15.000 d MT entities, you know. So it's it's it's quite intriguing. 1033 01:02:15.960 --> 01:02:20.239 But and and did you see that NASA just found 1034 01:02:20.320 --> 01:02:28.000 these two hyperplasmoid zones of the Earth where they said 1035 01:02:28.079 --> 01:02:34.119 that basically because of how they're situated within the orbit 1036 01:02:34.159 --> 01:02:36.719 of the Earth, that they have the potential for self 1037 01:02:36.840 --> 01:02:41.559 organization and could be some sort of a different life, 1038 01:02:41.719 --> 01:02:46.679 intelligent life form that we don't understand. And immediately I 1039 01:02:46.719 --> 01:02:50.840 almost was like, well, maybe this is what these ecstatic 1040 01:02:51.239 --> 01:02:55.719 prophetic people kind of are are syncing in with these 1041 01:02:56.320 --> 01:03:00.760 long term kind of arconic energies that have developed with 1042 01:03:00.880 --> 01:03:04.639 the Earth that are like these these potential too, you know, 1043 01:03:04.920 --> 01:03:09.280 mind forms that are kind of part of the Earth itself. 1044 01:03:09.800 --> 01:03:10.000 You know. 1045 01:03:10.519 --> 01:03:12.079 So it depends on who you ask. 1046 01:03:12.159 --> 01:03:14.280 As far as me and Jonathan is concerned, I am 1047 01:03:14.280 --> 01:03:17.800 one that doesn't necessarily believe every single thing NASA tells us. Okay, yeah, 1048 01:03:18.119 --> 01:03:20.199 but I also believe on the side of science and 1049 01:03:20.239 --> 01:03:22.599 engineering and physics a lot more than the average repair. 1050 01:03:22.960 --> 01:03:25.360 Jonathan is somebody who if if NASA says it, it 1051 01:03:25.480 --> 01:03:28.360 must be incorrect or there must be a subaddendum or 1052 01:03:28.360 --> 01:03:29.920 agenda that is being pushed forward. 1053 01:03:29.960 --> 01:03:31.880 I mean, I think that you have there's gonna be 1054 01:03:31.920 --> 01:03:34.599 a little bit of truth with your bullshit or otherwise, 1055 01:03:34.639 --> 01:03:37.639 if it's all bullshit, you're never gonna convince a percentage 1056 01:03:37.639 --> 01:03:39.559 of people. So I'm not gonna sit here and say 1057 01:03:39.599 --> 01:03:42.760 that I absolutely dismiss every single thing that NASA says. 1058 01:03:43.039 --> 01:03:45.599 I definitely dismiss a lot of their pictures. I definitely 1059 01:03:45.599 --> 01:03:47.719 dismiss about how they say that we went to the moon. 1060 01:03:47.800 --> 01:03:50.159 We definitely didn't do that shit, And if we did, 1061 01:03:50.760 --> 01:03:54.159 like there's no actual proof that we did. Like, there's 1062 01:03:54.320 --> 01:03:55.679 there's no footage. 1063 01:03:55.400 --> 01:03:58.280 All the film that they had it got burned and 1064 01:03:58.320 --> 01:03:59.039 came up missing. 1065 01:03:59.480 --> 01:04:01.480 Yeah, yeah, yeah, And we used to have that technology. 1066 01:04:01.519 --> 01:04:03.599 We got rid of it a long time ago. Like 1067 01:04:03.679 --> 01:04:04.079 it's like. 1068 01:04:04.440 --> 01:04:06.840 What and the technology we have in our pockets with 1069 01:04:06.880 --> 01:04:10.760 the phones now is you know, a thousand times you know, 1070 01:04:11.519 --> 01:04:12.960 more than what they had back then. 1071 01:04:13.159 --> 01:04:15.159 Yeah, you're trying to make me believe that you took 1072 01:04:15.239 --> 01:04:18.360 an actual shit box to the moon and got back. 1073 01:04:19.559 --> 01:04:21.440 How that doesn't make any sense. 1074 01:04:22.079 --> 01:04:24.039 How can we tell that NASA's telling us the truth 1075 01:04:24.079 --> 01:04:26.679 about these two zones? If you will, right. 1076 01:04:26.679 --> 01:04:30.480 Right, But I'm just saying from a philosophical point of view, 1077 01:04:31.000 --> 01:04:36.840 could this be some sort of a mean to maybe 1078 01:04:37.440 --> 01:04:43.119 possibly facilitate an explanation? And if you look at Soviet research, right, 1079 01:04:43.519 --> 01:04:48.079 they found that when they sent astronauts up and they 1080 01:04:48.079 --> 01:04:50.400 would be in a slow decay going out to several 1081 01:04:50.440 --> 01:04:52.960 of them they weren't able to get back. But the 1082 01:04:52.960 --> 01:04:55.239 ones they were able to get back if they went 1083 01:04:55.400 --> 01:04:59.199 past the Earth's magnetosphere, when they came back, they had 1084 01:04:59.280 --> 01:05:02.920 no memories. They had They were basically tabula rasa and 1085 01:05:02.960 --> 01:05:05.119 they had to teach him how to talk and walk 1086 01:05:05.239 --> 01:05:10.320 and do everything all over again, So inherently is are 1087 01:05:10.360 --> 01:05:16.000 all of our minds linked to the magnetic field of 1088 01:05:16.719 --> 01:05:19.760 the earth itself, and the Earth itself is maybe some 1089 01:05:19.880 --> 01:05:24.360 sort of a receiving tower that allows us to experience 1090 01:05:24.400 --> 01:05:25.320 physical reality. 1091 01:05:25.880 --> 01:05:30.599 Oh my god, it's definitely possible, dude. I've been listening 1092 01:05:30.679 --> 01:05:32.599 a lot. One of my favorite podcasts of all time 1093 01:05:32.679 --> 01:05:35.199 is called Crow Triple seven. We had him on here 1094 01:05:35.239 --> 01:05:38.760 one time. For years, fucking awesome, love that guy, but 1095 01:05:38.840 --> 01:05:41.000 we had him on one time and I was fanboying 1096 01:05:41.039 --> 01:05:43.800 like a little bitch the entire time. But whenever we 1097 01:05:43.840 --> 01:05:46.079 had him on, he was talking about his documentary called 1098 01:05:46.079 --> 01:05:48.320 Shoot the Moon, And so we watched the documentary and 1099 01:05:48.360 --> 01:05:50.599 then had him on and it was a fascinating conversation 1100 01:05:51.079 --> 01:05:54.480 because whatever is going on up in the moon, I 1101 01:05:55.119 --> 01:05:57.440 never heard an explanation for those little things that are 1102 01:05:57.480 --> 01:06:00.239 jumping out of the moon, like as that aliens, that 1103 01:06:00.320 --> 01:06:03.480 life forms. Is that, you know, some kind of rupture 1104 01:06:03.559 --> 01:06:06.320 that's coming out of Nobody knows, you know, because NASA 1105 01:06:06.440 --> 01:06:08.480 is not going to give you that information. But right now, 1106 01:06:08.800 --> 01:06:11.079 what he's doing is is that he's been shooting the sun. 1107 01:06:11.519 --> 01:06:14.840 And that is even more fascinating because he believes that 1108 01:06:14.920 --> 01:06:19.760 he has found possible like maybe he's found the second 1109 01:06:19.800 --> 01:06:24.239 son and it's not necessarily a sun like we see, 1110 01:06:24.599 --> 01:06:28.519 but almost like the inverted kind of version of the 1111 01:06:28.559 --> 01:06:30.880 sun almost from what I understand. What do you think 1112 01:06:30.920 --> 01:06:31.400 about that? 1113 01:06:32.400 --> 01:06:36.760 Yeah, there's all all stories in ancient histories is about 1114 01:06:36.760 --> 01:06:40.119 the black sun, the sun behind the sun. You know, 1115 01:06:40.320 --> 01:06:43.719 the generally when you get into the mysteries of isis 1116 01:06:44.519 --> 01:06:49.559 it was serious? The star serious? Right, there's base because 1117 01:06:49.920 --> 01:06:54.480 our solar system is basically in binary with the serious system, right, 1118 01:06:55.199 --> 01:06:59.920 but and they rotate around one another, but serious itself, 1119 01:07:00.559 --> 01:07:03.559 which we've just found out through modern science. So they 1120 01:07:03.559 --> 01:07:07.239 say what the dogon people were telling us two thousand BC, 1121 01:07:07.840 --> 01:07:13.440 you know, but within the the mysteries of VISs that 1122 01:07:13.440 --> 01:07:18.239 that black sun that was in serious was set or 1123 01:07:18.280 --> 01:07:21.320 set those which was the one that cut up Osyrus, 1124 01:07:21.880 --> 01:07:26.159 you know, or Nimrod you know. So it's it's uh, yeah, 1125 01:07:26.400 --> 01:07:29.920 the whole black sun, the sun behind the sun. Then 1126 01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:33.079 you get into the whole idea of uh, you know, 1127 01:07:33.679 --> 01:07:37.320 sons that have faded out, like they believe what was 1128 01:07:37.360 --> 01:07:40.440 it Saturn used to be a son like a brown 1129 01:07:40.639 --> 01:07:46.000 small brown dwarf and uh, you know about NASA basically, Uh, 1130 01:07:46.480 --> 01:07:48.960 it was a project they did where they sent seventy 1131 01:07:49.039 --> 01:07:54.519 two kilograms of TNT and basically bombed the side of 1132 01:07:54.559 --> 01:07:59.159 Saturn and because they were trying to reignite it, and 1133 01:07:59.199 --> 01:08:03.320 that's when you got that uh six pointed cubic cubic 1134 01:08:03.400 --> 01:08:04.360 shape on. 1135 01:08:04.440 --> 01:08:09.559 The you know what, northern end bombing it caused that 1136 01:08:10.000 --> 01:08:12.159 that whatever shape at the top of Saturn. 1137 01:08:13.000 --> 01:08:15.519 As long as I've been paying attention to conspiracy, that's 1138 01:08:15.519 --> 01:08:16.399 how I remember it. 1139 01:08:16.520 --> 01:08:20.199 Oh my god, lord. 1140 01:08:20.000 --> 01:08:22.800 Yeah, yeah, and I can I can find the name 1141 01:08:22.840 --> 01:08:26.800 of that that project. But yeah, they they were basically 1142 01:08:26.840 --> 01:08:31.640 and I think India, Japan, and the United States we're 1143 01:08:31.680 --> 01:08:35.479 all trying to do this very much like India, Japan, 1144 01:08:35.600 --> 01:08:38.239 and the United States. And I think China now has 1145 01:08:38.359 --> 01:08:42.079 slammed satellites or or something into the side of the 1146 01:08:42.119 --> 01:08:44.800 Moon and nasty. You know. They said it rang like 1147 01:08:44.840 --> 01:08:49.159 a bell, and it's made of silicon dioxide, which is 1148 01:08:49.239 --> 01:08:53.439 essentially glass, and crow triple seven. How he's filmed at 1149 01:08:53.479 --> 01:08:55.920 certain stages of the moon. How you can see the 1150 01:08:55.920 --> 01:09:01.199 stars behind it coming through it. Yeah, So yeah, a 1151 01:09:01.239 --> 01:09:03.000 lot of interesting stuff there, dude. 1152 01:09:03.079 --> 01:09:04.960 None of this shit is really what we think it is. 1153 01:09:05.239 --> 01:09:07.720 And you know what I'm saying, Like the Moon's glass, 1154 01:09:07.760 --> 01:09:09.800 we all thought it was some kind of dust. I mean, 1155 01:09:09.880 --> 01:09:11.720 I remember whenever I was growing up in my childhood, 1156 01:09:11.760 --> 01:09:14.159 it was cheese, you know what I mean. Like everybody 1157 01:09:14.199 --> 01:09:17.399 has their own theories about what these things are. I mean, 1158 01:09:17.479 --> 01:09:20.000 and even like in you know, in Witchcraft, looks at 1159 01:09:20.039 --> 01:09:22.239 the moon a certain type of way, and you look 1160 01:09:22.239 --> 01:09:25.960 at all the old the sun worshiping cults and stuff 1161 01:09:26.000 --> 01:09:28.520 like that, Like, clearly there had to have been something 1162 01:09:28.520 --> 01:09:32.079 to do with these planets. Maybe they're not just like 1163 01:09:32.640 --> 01:09:35.880 just balls of fire or just you know, gatherings of 1164 01:09:36.479 --> 01:09:38.159 minerals and dirt and shit, right. 1165 01:09:38.119 --> 01:09:40.359 Right, And that was the whole thing is you have 1166 01:09:40.439 --> 01:09:44.359 the esoteric idea, which is it's the physical planet, and 1167 01:09:44.399 --> 01:09:48.920 then you have the esoteric idea, which is somehow it's related, 1168 01:09:49.720 --> 01:09:53.760 you know, to the energies of this this certain form, 1169 01:09:54.039 --> 01:09:57.399 you know, and uh yeah, people try to work with that. 1170 01:09:58.119 --> 01:10:00.600 When you look at astrology, when you look at you know, 1171 01:10:00.680 --> 01:10:03.159 all the various forms of divination that we have in 1172 01:10:03.399 --> 01:10:04.920 modern society. 1173 01:10:05.239 --> 01:10:09.600 Yeah, dude, it is. It is quite wild the different 1174 01:10:09.720 --> 01:10:12.520 views on it. And like, don't get me wrong, like 1175 01:10:12.760 --> 01:10:16.279 history just I think this because we've been doing the 1176 01:10:16.319 --> 01:10:19.199 show for coming up on five years now in August 1177 01:10:19.279 --> 01:10:22.039 will be five years. That'll be That's a big anniversary 1178 01:10:22.079 --> 01:10:24.439 right there. Five years doing a podcast. That's a long time. 1179 01:10:24.880 --> 01:10:28.199 But you know, all of these years doing the you know, 1180 01:10:28.439 --> 01:10:33.640 just questioning politics and questioning history and questioning literally everything, 1181 01:10:34.119 --> 01:10:38.119 I'm less inclined to look in the into the historic 1182 01:10:38.319 --> 01:10:42.239 exoteric kind of understanding, and I'm more inclined to look 1183 01:10:42.239 --> 01:10:45.960 into the esoteric. It's like, you know, I I've actually 1184 01:10:46.680 --> 01:10:49.039 made I don't want to say I've lost my grasp 1185 01:10:49.159 --> 01:10:51.600 of reality in that sense, but I think that I've 1186 01:10:51.960 --> 01:10:56.239 I've loosened the stranglehold that I once had on it 1187 01:10:56.279 --> 01:10:59.479 in that sense to where there's more to this than 1188 01:10:59.560 --> 01:11:02.960 just physical reality, you know, like there has to be, 1189 01:11:03.239 --> 01:11:05.960 and so why wouldn't you look into it for its 1190 01:11:06.000 --> 01:11:10.199 more mystical and philosophical type of understandings, Like if we 1191 01:11:10.199 --> 01:11:13.720 weren't always humans, If that's the case, I mean, even 1192 01:11:13.760 --> 01:11:16.439 if if you're a Christian, you believe that like you're 1193 01:11:16.479 --> 01:11:18.640 a soul, you're a spirit, you're gonna ascend to heaven, 1194 01:11:18.680 --> 01:11:21.640 You're not gonna take your body. So therefore physical reality 1195 01:11:21.680 --> 01:11:24.560 is probably not gonna matter then, right, So even if 1196 01:11:24.600 --> 01:11:26.640 you want to look at it from that end, there 1197 01:11:26.760 --> 01:11:30.720 is something very I don't want to say esoteric about 1198 01:11:30.720 --> 01:11:32.880 this reality, but maybe it is, you know, I think 1199 01:11:32.880 --> 01:11:35.520 that that is. Maybe that was the reason why Jesus 1200 01:11:35.560 --> 01:11:38.720 was speaking in parables and stuff like that, to try 1201 01:11:38.760 --> 01:11:40.920 and get you to spend the mind a little bit 1202 01:11:41.000 --> 01:11:43.479 and not so much look at it for exactly what 1203 01:11:43.600 --> 01:11:46.079 it is, but maybe the meaning behind. 1204 01:11:45.680 --> 01:11:49.479 It expand the imagination. Well, and that's what this all 1205 01:11:49.520 --> 01:11:54.439 really comes down to, is the imagination. As humans, we 1206 01:11:54.520 --> 01:11:57.560 speak and we tell each other stories, you know, so 1207 01:11:57.800 --> 01:12:01.359 that's the way we convey information, and by taking more 1208 01:12:01.439 --> 01:12:04.720 information in we get a rounder viewpoint of what the 1209 01:12:04.800 --> 01:12:09.520 whole is. Right, And when you begin to go back 1210 01:12:09.600 --> 01:12:15.439 to the ancient occult philosophies of the hermetic sciences and basically, 1211 01:12:16.000 --> 01:12:21.920 you know, using those two manipulate it. We all manipulate reality. 1212 01:12:22.039 --> 01:12:26.319 Every single thing around us from our mouse, computer, pens 1213 01:12:26.359 --> 01:12:30.319 and pencils, are clothes we wear. Somebody thought about that 1214 01:12:30.399 --> 01:12:34.039 and created that idea and brought that thing into physical 1215 01:12:34.119 --> 01:12:37.199 being and shared it with everybody else. And now we 1216 01:12:37.279 --> 01:12:40.119 have corporations of course, trying to take that over and 1217 01:12:40.319 --> 01:12:43.920 take away the culture itself and you know, homogenize it all. 1218 01:12:44.079 --> 01:12:47.319 But that's the whole thing. Even with media and TV 1219 01:12:47.680 --> 01:12:51.199 and us watching these various movies and television shows and 1220 01:12:51.520 --> 01:12:56.439 the music itself, you almost have to wonder how much 1221 01:12:58.000 --> 01:13:00.279 they're trying to And I think that's a to a 1222 01:13:00.279 --> 01:13:03.479 great extent. What these ancient religions did, what these ancient 1223 01:13:03.520 --> 01:13:06.920 mystery schools did, was they they you know, like when 1224 01:13:06.960 --> 01:13:09.239 you go to Disney, you know, and they say we're 1225 01:13:09.239 --> 01:13:12.079 going to show you the future when you go to Epcot, right, 1226 01:13:12.960 --> 01:13:18.000 they're basically providing all of the flora and fauna that 1227 01:13:18.119 --> 01:13:22.760 populate our mind. And as you know, in modern psychological 1228 01:13:22.800 --> 01:13:26.319 warfare terms, they call it the fourth World wilderness. And 1229 01:13:26.319 --> 01:13:29.079 and the war is for the mind, you know, So 1230 01:13:29.600 --> 01:13:31.880 what are you going to choose to put in your mind? 1231 01:13:32.199 --> 01:13:34.640 What are you going to choose to you know? And 1232 01:13:34.680 --> 01:13:37.039 that's from the philosophical point. You go back to the 1233 01:13:37.079 --> 01:13:40.880 ancient philosophers, and it's the idea of you take everything 1234 01:13:41.039 --> 01:13:46.560 as possibly true, but at the same time everything is false. Yeah, 1235 01:13:46.640 --> 01:13:52.840 so you know, and and are they basically cultivating the 1236 01:13:52.920 --> 01:13:59.079 masses minds to create the future that the technocrats or 1237 01:13:59.479 --> 01:14:01.880 you know, whatever group you want to pick, the you know, 1238 01:14:02.000 --> 01:14:07.520 World Economic Forum, the Illuminati, the you know, all these 1239 01:14:07.800 --> 01:14:12.720 all these groups are vying for our minds, you know. 1240 01:14:13.079 --> 01:14:15.920 So it's it's one hundred percent. Yeah, it's one hundred 1241 01:14:15.920 --> 01:14:18.880 percent of the mind. Like there's it's it's no question. 1242 01:14:18.960 --> 01:14:21.439 And I think that, yeah, are they trying to poison 1243 01:14:21.479 --> 01:14:23.439 you and the food and the water and the you 1244 01:14:23.439 --> 01:14:27.760 know everything, absolutely, But that's to try to kind of 1245 01:14:27.800 --> 01:14:30.680 calcify your pineal gland or poison your own mind, or 1246 01:14:31.039 --> 01:14:33.239 make you a little bit too lethargic so that you 1247 01:14:33.279 --> 01:14:36.800 don't even get the curiosity to look into these kinds 1248 01:14:36.840 --> 01:14:39.800 of things. And and and maybe you're so dulled out 1249 01:14:39.920 --> 01:14:43.159 that you don't even really care if there is any 1250 01:14:43.239 --> 01:14:45.640 kind of deeper meaning to this reality. You just want 1251 01:14:45.640 --> 01:14:47.960 to go to work, you want to come home, spend 1252 01:14:47.960 --> 01:14:50.760 a little time with your family, you know, maybe watch 1253 01:14:50.800 --> 01:14:54.079 a little wrestling as a nightcap, and and just go 1254 01:14:54.159 --> 01:14:56.520 about your life. And there's nothing wrong with that. But 1255 01:14:56.680 --> 01:15:01.000 for the modern day philosopher, the modern day a truth seeker, 1256 01:15:01.039 --> 01:15:03.720 we want to know, all right, well, what did they 1257 01:15:03.880 --> 01:15:07.760 know that we don't know? You know, like they're obviously 1258 01:15:07.880 --> 01:15:09.760 they they know a little bit more than us, and 1259 01:15:09.840 --> 01:15:12.399 that's how they're able to manipulate us in all of 1260 01:15:12.399 --> 01:15:15.439 these ways. And also why would they want to manipulate 1261 01:15:15.560 --> 01:15:17.960 us and poison us in all these different ways if 1262 01:15:18.000 --> 01:15:20.880 it was just for no reason, Like, there has to 1263 01:15:20.920 --> 01:15:24.560 be something that they're hiding, something powerful, some kind of information, 1264 01:15:24.800 --> 01:15:27.680 something out there that they don't want you looking into. 1265 01:15:27.760 --> 01:15:30.039 And that's why that's where you look into. Like people 1266 01:15:30.039 --> 01:15:32.560 get in shadow band off a YouTube and tik tie 1267 01:15:32.560 --> 01:15:35.039 and all the social media's and podcasts and stuff like that, 1268 01:15:35.399 --> 01:15:42.039 and certain algorithms don't want this kind of conversations being had, right. 1269 01:15:42.520 --> 01:15:47.680 Because it simply takes the mind and opens it up 1270 01:15:48.079 --> 01:15:54.039 to a much larger possibility than what is being you know, 1271 01:15:54.439 --> 01:15:57.960 ivy fed into the masses through algorithms. 1272 01:15:58.399 --> 01:16:02.079 You know, yeah, dude, it's uh, it's it's sick. But 1273 01:16:02.359 --> 01:16:04.520 you know, I'm having a fun time figuring it all out. 1274 01:16:04.720 --> 01:16:07.439 Like and to be honest, that's why I love conspiracies, 1275 01:16:07.479 --> 01:16:09.920 Like I just want my mind blown every fucking day. 1276 01:16:10.119 --> 01:16:12.920 Like we we shoot five shows a week, that's five 1277 01:16:13.000 --> 01:16:15.720 out of seven days, and sometimes we shoot six or 1278 01:16:15.760 --> 01:16:18.279 seven in a week. You know, to if I got 1279 01:16:18.399 --> 01:16:20.119 you know, if we got vacation or something like that 1280 01:16:20.159 --> 01:16:22.960 coming up. Sometimes we'll shoot two in a day, like today, 1281 01:16:23.000 --> 01:16:25.399 we're shooting two in a day. And I just love. 1282 01:16:25.560 --> 01:16:29.560 It's almost like a it's like a drug, having your 1283 01:16:29.720 --> 01:16:32.399 mind blown, right, the mind quest. 1284 01:16:33.039 --> 01:16:37.319 And that's the whole thing is, you know, learning all 1285 01:16:37.479 --> 01:16:41.279 these stories, learning how history works, learning how it gives 1286 01:16:41.279 --> 01:16:44.479 you a better frame of reference, uh, to view the 1287 01:16:44.520 --> 01:16:46.560 modern world. 1288 01:16:46.000 --> 01:16:46.199 You know. 1289 01:16:46.399 --> 01:16:49.520 And and you know, people say, oh, conspiracy theorists are crazy, 1290 01:16:49.840 --> 01:16:52.279 And just because I read a lot of history, and 1291 01:16:52.319 --> 01:16:54.199 I know a lot of occult things, and I know 1292 01:16:54.279 --> 01:16:59.479 a lot of you know, various things about for some reason, 1293 01:16:59.560 --> 01:17:02.800 I'm a conspiracy theorists because I seek knowledge, you know, 1294 01:17:03.479 --> 01:17:06.000 And I think the conspired the idea of you know, 1295 01:17:06.359 --> 01:17:09.399 we know it was through Freedom of Information Act. It 1296 01:17:09.439 --> 01:17:12.600 was created by the CIA in regard to JFK. You know, 1297 01:17:12.680 --> 01:17:15.319 anybody that have more information that you want to deal with, 1298 01:17:15.520 --> 01:17:18.720 you call them a conspiracy theorist to dismiss them. But 1299 01:17:18.840 --> 01:17:23.520 I think what the conspiracy theorists now calling someone that 1300 01:17:23.640 --> 01:17:27.920 is basically one of the most educationally lazy things you 1301 01:17:27.960 --> 01:17:32.199 can do, because you either refuse to or you don't 1302 01:17:32.239 --> 01:17:37.399 want to you want to maintain your status quo rather 1303 01:17:37.439 --> 01:17:42.319 than allowing for the possibility of this world may not 1304 01:17:42.439 --> 01:17:43.680 even be what we think it is. 1305 01:17:44.000 --> 01:17:46.560 Well, and a lot of this information can be like 1306 01:17:46.760 --> 01:17:51.000 little like many d MT trips where it will it 1307 01:17:51.039 --> 01:17:53.960 will cause you to lose grasp of reality in a 1308 01:17:54.000 --> 01:17:55.720 certain sense. And a lot of people don't like their 1309 01:17:55.760 --> 01:17:59.159 foundation if their foundation shaken like that. It's like, well, 1310 01:17:59.199 --> 01:18:03.399 I have this, I believe this history because that history 1311 01:18:03.680 --> 01:18:07.119 is what latches me on to what I deem reality 1312 01:18:07.279 --> 01:18:11.079 is in a sense, right, and if you close. 1313 01:18:10.840 --> 01:18:12.960 Though, right, it ebbs and flows. It used to be 1314 01:18:13.000 --> 01:18:13.720 and by used to be. 1315 01:18:13.760 --> 01:18:17.319 I'm let's look centuries back, right, somebody who's thinking outside 1316 01:18:17.319 --> 01:18:19.319 of the box, who just doesn't go off of whatever 1317 01:18:19.359 --> 01:18:21.359 the official narrative is. And yes, we could look at 1318 01:18:21.399 --> 01:18:23.560 European countries and it's whatever the Church. 1319 01:18:23.439 --> 01:18:25.119 Was saying, right, that's the official narrative. 1320 01:18:25.279 --> 01:18:27.800 Whoever was looking outside of that might have been considered 1321 01:18:27.840 --> 01:18:31.279 an alchemist, same breath would have been considered a heretic. 1322 01:18:31.359 --> 01:18:34.520 It depended on who was funding them. The Church funded alchemy. 1323 01:18:34.800 --> 01:18:36.760 But then also the dudes is doing the same thing 1324 01:18:36.800 --> 01:18:38.560 and working out of the same books. 1325 01:18:38.439 --> 01:18:40.000 Were birthake as heretics. 1326 01:18:40.039 --> 01:18:42.399 It really just depended on where the funding was coming from, right, 1327 01:18:42.439 --> 01:18:45.439 But then you look at today's world, being a conspiracy 1328 01:18:45.439 --> 01:18:49.119 theorist ten years ago was something to be scoffed at 1329 01:18:49.479 --> 01:18:52.079 in our current modern by current, I mean like only 1330 01:18:52.640 --> 01:18:55.520 from twenty twenty to now. Honestly, COVID really broke the 1331 01:18:55.560 --> 01:18:57.680 mold on that. And now anybody who's got a brain 1332 01:18:57.720 --> 01:19:01.439 stem and thinks for themselves might even be conspirator considered 1333 01:19:01.479 --> 01:19:02.560 a conspiracy theorist. 1334 01:19:02.560 --> 01:19:04.079 So it kind of ebbs and flows, and it goes 1335 01:19:04.079 --> 01:19:04.640 with the times. 1336 01:19:05.079 --> 01:19:07.600 And in the same sense, I'm kind of happy as 1337 01:19:07.640 --> 01:19:10.319 a matter of fact that, like you said, many DMT 1338 01:19:10.479 --> 01:19:14.119 trips and people don't want their reality shaken. I would 1339 01:19:14.439 --> 01:19:18.239 postulate that right now, currently as we speak, more and 1340 01:19:18.359 --> 01:19:22.359 more adults are delving into psychedelics. Not yes, some for 1341 01:19:22.399 --> 01:19:25.800 the recreational use, sure that's a thing, but more and 1342 01:19:25.960 --> 01:19:30.319 more adults, and I mean some veterans that I know 1343 01:19:30.520 --> 01:19:32.760 that have gone to Aahuascar retreats to try to help 1344 01:19:32.800 --> 01:19:36.119 them with their PTSD varying results mostly to the positive, 1345 01:19:36.199 --> 01:19:39.520 but there is more of a sense of what the 1346 01:19:39.520 --> 01:19:42.439 hell is going on here? And it's like drugs even 1347 01:19:42.520 --> 01:19:44.439 in that sense, or I want to use that term, 1348 01:19:44.520 --> 01:19:47.399 let's say substances, right, let's say just as a whole, 1349 01:19:47.680 --> 01:19:50.039 they kind of ebb and flow, and for a good 1350 01:19:50.079 --> 01:19:53.760 while there only the hippies deal with LSD and mushrooms, 1351 01:19:53.880 --> 01:19:57.279 and I don't know any good people that smoke marijuana. 1352 01:19:57.399 --> 01:19:58.319 And it's like that. 1353 01:19:58.319 --> 01:20:01.359 Has changed so drastically in these past years to where 1354 01:20:01.399 --> 01:20:04.399 now it's like, look, if you're going to become a burnout, yeah, 1355 01:20:04.399 --> 01:20:06.359 that's not good, no matter what. It's like drinking, if 1356 01:20:06.359 --> 01:20:08.640 you're going to become an alcoholic, that's not good, no 1357 01:20:08.720 --> 01:20:12.439 matter what. Right now, the ebbs and flows of it all, man, 1358 01:20:12.479 --> 01:20:14.920 we are at a time where more and more people 1359 01:20:15.000 --> 01:20:19.520 are looking at psychedelics not for the sense of just 1360 01:20:19.520 --> 01:20:21.920 seeing the fractals and the colors and having a trippy evening, 1361 01:20:22.000 --> 01:20:25.600 but they're actually using them for what I would argue 1362 01:20:25.640 --> 01:20:29.279 would be their true intended purpose. And I'm very happy 1363 01:20:29.439 --> 01:20:31.199 that a lot of the stigma has come off of 1364 01:20:31.239 --> 01:20:31.960 that as a whole. 1365 01:20:32.399 --> 01:20:34.880 Oh dude, Dan, I'll tell you what there has been. 1366 01:20:35.039 --> 01:20:40.159 And from time to time I'll read reviews and comments 1367 01:20:40.199 --> 01:20:44.079 on the show, and yes, well I read them, but 1368 01:20:44.119 --> 01:20:46.720 I don't take them to heart. I know that there's 1369 01:20:46.840 --> 01:20:49.520 just a lot of people out there that are Internet 1370 01:20:49.600 --> 01:20:53.279 keyboard warriors that are gonna say something on the Internet 1371 01:20:53.399 --> 01:20:56.279 because you're shielded, nobody knows where you're at, nobody knows 1372 01:20:56.319 --> 01:20:59.199 where you're coming from, nobody knows what you look like. Therefore, 1373 01:20:59.319 --> 01:21:02.159 it gives you almost leeway to be a shithead. But 1374 01:21:02.359 --> 01:21:06.319 and and to those people, I'm just like, you know, 1375 01:21:07.279 --> 01:21:10.880 maybe if you wouldn't say something to somebody in reality, 1376 01:21:10.920 --> 01:21:14.560 you probably shouldn't type it. Because what we have is 1377 01:21:14.600 --> 01:21:17.199 a platform and we can call out some people from 1378 01:21:17.279 --> 01:21:19.960 time to time. And those people that think I'm some 1379 01:21:20.039 --> 01:21:23.239 kind of fucking drug burnout or something like that, because 1380 01:21:23.239 --> 01:21:26.479 all I like to talk about is psychedelics and and 1381 01:21:26.479 --> 01:21:29.439 and weed and stuff like that, I'm just like, bro, 1382 01:21:29.560 --> 01:21:33.800 I haven't. I haven't had a psychedelic experience since that 1383 01:21:33.800 --> 01:21:37.760 that DMT trip in Florida in October. Like, it's not 1384 01:21:37.880 --> 01:21:41.560 something that I do for fun. It's it's it's to 1385 01:21:41.680 --> 01:21:44.720 have some kind of spiritual experience, to to try and 1386 01:21:45.199 --> 01:21:50.399 grasp some fraction of enlightenment whatever can be bestowed upon me. 1387 01:21:50.520 --> 01:21:52.880 And I think that they are helpful things. A lot 1388 01:21:52.880 --> 01:21:56.039 of people have found a lot of help from psychedelics. 1389 01:21:56.199 --> 01:21:57.520 I mean, you just mentioned. 1390 01:21:57.199 --> 01:21:59.920 About me off of alcohol, Like that's not even that's 1391 01:22:00.119 --> 01:22:01.880 even a joke, that's not a thing, Like, well you 1392 01:22:02.000 --> 01:22:04.279 just replaced it. No, no, No, it's way easier to 1393 01:22:04.279 --> 01:22:06.279 put down mushrooms than it is to put down the 1394 01:22:06.279 --> 01:22:08.840 bottle that you haven't for ten fucking years. 1395 01:22:08.880 --> 01:22:12.039 You're not getting addicted to this kind of shit. It's 1396 01:22:12.079 --> 01:22:15.039 not meant for that. I mean, yeah, you mentioned it earlier, 1397 01:22:15.119 --> 01:22:17.279 like some people are gonna party with it and ooh 1398 01:22:17.319 --> 01:22:19.520 pretty colors and oh I like it the way it 1399 01:22:19.520 --> 01:22:23.239 gives me that tingle in my body. Sure, but that's 1400 01:22:23.439 --> 01:22:27.079 you know, that's that's for the partygoers. I'm I'm married, 1401 01:22:27.159 --> 01:22:29.640 I got kids, I got bills to pay. I ain't 1402 01:22:29.640 --> 01:22:32.239 going to know fucking raves bro. You know what I'm saying. Like, 1403 01:22:32.279 --> 01:22:34.680 whenever I'm doing this, I'm doing it in the comfort 1404 01:22:34.720 --> 01:22:37.159 of my own home or I'm surrounded by people that 1405 01:22:37.239 --> 01:22:41.359 I love and trust, and it's more of a ceremonial 1406 01:22:41.439 --> 01:22:42.840 thing than it is anything else. 1407 01:22:43.399 --> 01:22:46.640 Yeah, yeah, And I think traditionally that's kind of what 1408 01:22:46.720 --> 01:22:51.880 it's always been until you have the occurrence of you 1409 01:22:51.880 --> 01:22:56.880 know what is it Bluebird, Artichoke MK Ultra basically using 1410 01:22:57.000 --> 01:22:59.720 these substances, and then you had you know about Andrea 1411 01:22:59.720 --> 01:23:05.920 PuO Rich Familiar Refreshmory here. Yeah, he uh basically was 1412 01:23:05.960 --> 01:23:10.319 the guy that worked with Juri Geller the spoon Bender. Yeah, 1413 01:23:10.399 --> 01:23:13.840 but his first book was called The Sacred Mushroom and 1414 01:23:14.199 --> 01:23:17.600 then his second book was called Beyond Telepathy, but he 1415 01:23:17.760 --> 01:23:22.359 was basically using these substances to try to create telepathy, 1416 01:23:23.000 --> 01:23:27.439 you know. So yeah, you know, it's just interesting through 1417 01:23:27.439 --> 01:23:31.319 the ages how these things have tried to be co 1418 01:23:31.399 --> 01:23:34.279 opted by and I even back to the mystery schools, 1419 01:23:34.439 --> 01:23:39.199 they were using them as a form of of sacrament 1420 01:23:39.600 --> 01:23:44.199 to just you know, uh like pervade divine you know, 1421 01:23:44.560 --> 01:23:50.000 uh intervention, like trying to connect between the higher and 1422 01:23:50.039 --> 01:23:53.720 the lower realms. And it's uh yeah, you know because 1423 01:23:53.800 --> 01:23:57.600 inherently and and I think that's another thing that they 1424 01:23:57.640 --> 01:24:04.399 do is make you also believe that there are other 1425 01:24:04.560 --> 01:24:09.640 levels of reality rather than just being alive in this body. 1426 01:24:10.439 --> 01:24:13.159 And it also depended on the mystery school like the 1427 01:24:13.239 --> 01:24:15.560 majority of them, I would say we're dealing in some 1428 01:24:15.640 --> 01:24:17.600 sort of psychedelic Uh. 1429 01:24:17.319 --> 01:24:20.279 Yeah, I do want to say hallucination, but peering beyond 1430 01:24:20.319 --> 01:24:20.640 the veil. 1431 01:24:20.640 --> 01:24:23.439 In that way, there were other mystery cults that you 1432 01:24:23.720 --> 01:24:26.039 had to be stone cold sober to be a part of. 1433 01:24:26.199 --> 01:24:29.000 And like there was varied you know cults, a cult 1434 01:24:29.039 --> 01:24:30.520 and dededy didy. 1435 01:24:30.600 --> 01:24:33.880 But there's an argument with that because there's like secret 1436 01:24:33.960 --> 01:24:38.000 drugs in the higher levels of Buddhism. There's like, uh, 1437 01:24:38.079 --> 01:24:41.039 there's this one writer I read that talked about the 1438 01:24:41.159 --> 01:24:46.680 Jesuits would basically lead the pope up to the point 1439 01:24:46.920 --> 01:24:49.119 where they would be like, you're gonna meet God, and 1440 01:24:49.159 --> 01:24:52.479 then one time they would they would give them, you know, 1441 01:24:52.560 --> 01:24:57.600 a substance you know, and basically have that that experience. 1442 01:24:58.000 --> 01:25:01.439 So you know, there are some secret Even within these 1443 01:25:01.520 --> 01:25:04.960 purest kind of cults, you do find the use of 1444 01:25:05.359 --> 01:25:08.600 substances at certain point, and it's it's just I think 1445 01:25:08.760 --> 01:25:12.560 a natural part of existence on the earth because the 1446 01:25:12.600 --> 01:25:17.439 earth produced you know, the burning bush of Moses is 1447 01:25:17.479 --> 01:25:22.039 the highest producing plant in that region of Dimthal trip 1448 01:25:22.079 --> 01:25:25.439 to me, you know, So you just have these various 1449 01:25:25.520 --> 01:25:30.199 things that kind of show you and it's not something 1450 01:25:30.319 --> 01:25:32.359 that's exoterically talked about. 1451 01:25:32.920 --> 01:25:35.600 Yeah, I mean, in the order of the assassins, the 1452 01:25:35.600 --> 01:25:41.039 phenomenously they get the name hash comes from Haines, exactly. 1453 01:25:40.720 --> 01:25:43.439 Where we get the word assassin from. They had to 1454 01:25:43.479 --> 01:25:43.960 be sober. 1455 01:25:44.039 --> 01:25:45.520 That was a part of their training and all this 1456 01:25:45.840 --> 01:25:47.960 until it came time for them to go and do 1457 01:25:48.359 --> 01:25:51.479 the act that it was. Now some scholars argue that 1458 01:25:51.520 --> 01:25:53.720 they got high on hash before they would go and 1459 01:25:53.800 --> 01:25:54.920 perform their assassination. 1460 01:25:55.119 --> 01:25:56.319 I would I wouldn't. 1461 01:25:56.680 --> 01:25:58.920 I don't believe that you would want to be. 1462 01:25:59.279 --> 01:26:02.520 Really initiation and ritual function. 1463 01:26:02.640 --> 01:26:04.720 Yes, it was a thing to show them the other 1464 01:26:04.960 --> 01:26:09.199 side and what they achieve if they. 1465 01:26:07.560 --> 01:26:12.319 Why they're doing these these bloody things exactly. 1466 01:26:12.399 --> 01:26:14.720 So, I mean, there's to your point, there's some that 1467 01:26:14.840 --> 01:26:16.600 even though you had to be sober, maybe there was 1468 01:26:16.640 --> 01:26:18.960 a little bit of it brought in at the right 1469 01:26:19.039 --> 01:26:23.079 time for a specific purpose. Yeah, it's it's really fascinating 1470 01:26:23.119 --> 01:26:24.600 to look at that and see, this is where we 1471 01:26:24.720 --> 01:26:27.760 kind of find that unison of the exoteric and the 1472 01:26:27.960 --> 01:26:32.399 historical precedents and like hard concrete facts along with some 1473 01:26:32.479 --> 01:26:35.840 of the esoteric and the deeper meaning and what might 1474 01:26:35.880 --> 01:26:39.199 have been symbolically gestured at in these times. This is 1475 01:26:39.199 --> 01:26:40.920 where that that combination comes in. 1476 01:26:41.039 --> 01:26:43.880 And also just speaking on nowadays, like you know, we 1477 01:26:44.520 --> 01:26:47.560 live in a capitalist society. We gotta go to work 1478 01:26:47.600 --> 01:26:49.760 every day, we gotta pay bills, We got to take 1479 01:26:49.760 --> 01:26:53.000 care of our family. We can't do like the fucking 1480 01:26:53.079 --> 01:26:56.720 gurus of India and sit in meditation for twenty five days, 1481 01:26:56.760 --> 01:26:59.640 like my bills can't afford that. And so sometimes you 1482 01:26:59.760 --> 01:27:04.880 do need like that that like that super highway door. Yeah, 1483 01:27:04.920 --> 01:27:06.680 just to peek through the door. I don't need the 1484 01:27:06.720 --> 01:27:08.680 whole thing, blast it all the way open, but let 1485 01:27:08.680 --> 01:27:11.079 me just see through the keyhole a little bit and you'll, 1486 01:27:11.119 --> 01:27:13.239 you know, you'll have mushrooms and all the other different 1487 01:27:13.279 --> 01:27:16.239 types of psychedelics that will allow you to experience that 1488 01:27:16.520 --> 01:27:20.760 without meditating for you know, thirty hours or whatever the 1489 01:27:20.840 --> 01:27:23.399 case may be. And so I mean I think that 1490 01:27:23.600 --> 01:27:26.319 you know, there is there are plenty of examples of 1491 01:27:26.399 --> 01:27:28.920 people getting high on their own supply, you know, with 1492 01:27:29.039 --> 01:27:33.920 the going into meditation and having the MT. Yeah, yeah, 1493 01:27:33.960 --> 01:27:37.720 the the natural DMT that secreted. So I don't know, dude. 1494 01:27:37.760 --> 01:27:39.600 I The way I look at it is is that 1495 01:27:39.760 --> 01:27:42.680 if it's if it's something that is so frowned upon, 1496 01:27:42.920 --> 01:27:45.680 why why did God put it in our body to 1497 01:27:45.720 --> 01:27:46.239 begin with? 1498 01:27:46.720 --> 01:27:49.600 You know what I'm saying, that's the state itself I 1499 01:27:49.600 --> 01:27:53.279 mean when you look at these substances, they generally don't 1500 01:27:53.560 --> 01:27:56.319 you know, like Tanvis mckinna talks about, you know, culture 1501 01:27:56.399 --> 01:27:58.600 is not your friend, you know, and when you take 1502 01:27:58.680 --> 01:28:02.960 these substances, you step outside of culture. And and so 1503 01:28:03.039 --> 01:28:06.640 that you know, it's certain laws state that if you 1504 01:28:06.680 --> 01:28:10.520 take you know, more than so much, you're considered legally insane. 1505 01:28:11.760 --> 01:28:13.560 If you get called so much. 1506 01:28:13.520 --> 01:28:15.279 You can't take so much that it really does. 1507 01:28:16.439 --> 01:28:19.159 Say oh yeah, LSD, all day with that. 1508 01:28:19.239 --> 01:28:23.600 Yeah, But that's the thing. Also, different people's mentalities are different, 1509 01:28:23.880 --> 01:28:26.600 and these are not things to be played with lightly 1510 01:28:27.039 --> 01:28:30.479 or just to be taking haphazardly, you know, especially with 1511 01:28:30.560 --> 01:28:34.119 the contamination of some of these various you know, Nazi 1512 01:28:34.359 --> 01:28:35.960 hangover drugs that are still around. 1513 01:28:36.239 --> 01:28:38.640 Oh, it's like, yeah, you got to have a respect 1514 01:28:38.640 --> 01:28:41.119 for it. There's no doubt about that. Because you can 1515 01:28:41.279 --> 01:28:44.079 do too much. And I found out the hard way 1516 01:28:44.159 --> 01:28:46.319 once and I won't make that mistake again. 1517 01:28:46.880 --> 01:28:48.760 So and like I said, with the ebbs and flows 1518 01:28:48.760 --> 01:28:51.279 of it, man, like LSD, I feel like we missed 1519 01:28:51.319 --> 01:28:54.800 the boat. I cannot actually, genuinely, in my heart of 1520 01:28:54.800 --> 01:28:58.920 hearts trust that name said person handing me this tab. 1521 01:28:59.119 --> 01:29:01.279 It's not laced with fitting all. And he may not 1522 01:29:01.479 --> 01:29:04.880 have laced it. It might have been three prove that. 1523 01:29:04.960 --> 01:29:06.760 So it's just I feel like we missed the boat 1524 01:29:06.760 --> 01:29:08.239 on trying the good ship, you know. 1525 01:29:08.640 --> 01:29:11.640 But there's even things out there that are completely legal 1526 01:29:11.720 --> 01:29:15.520 as far as designer drugs coming out of m T Like, uh, 1527 01:29:15.760 --> 01:29:18.279 they call it inn bomb or NBO and me and 1528 01:29:18.319 --> 01:29:22.079 it's a completely legal substance, and people try to, you know, 1529 01:29:22.159 --> 01:29:25.640 pass that off as as something it's not, you know, right, 1530 01:29:26.720 --> 01:29:30.079 I've had friends that have had some horrible experience, and 1531 01:29:30.079 --> 01:29:33.039 that's the one hallucinogen that you can actually overdose on. 1532 01:29:33.920 --> 01:29:35.800 Wow, I know that you'll. 1533 01:29:35.560 --> 01:29:38.720 Accelerate your heartbeat and your your blood flow. Oh, that 1534 01:29:38.880 --> 01:29:41.439 is such an extent. It's I know it. And that's 1535 01:29:41.560 --> 01:29:43.239 that's one hundred percent legal. 1536 01:29:43.640 --> 01:29:46.720 Right, And I know that you used to be you 1537 01:29:46.840 --> 01:29:49.680 used to be able to buy salvia and gas stations, bro, Like, 1538 01:29:49.920 --> 01:29:51.520 I'm like, fuck, I missed out on that, but I 1539 01:29:51.560 --> 01:29:53.920 hear it's actually a pretty horrifying experience, so it's probably 1540 01:29:53.960 --> 01:29:54.399 a good thing. 1541 01:29:54.920 --> 01:29:58.560 It depends. So, uh, one guy I knew that used 1542 01:29:58.560 --> 01:30:02.640 to sell salvia. He couldn't ever do it because as 1543 01:30:02.680 --> 01:30:04.680 soon as he would do it. There would be this 1544 01:30:04.840 --> 01:30:08.520 Mayan character with a light of bar blue light that 1545 01:30:08.560 --> 01:30:11.039 would come and put it up against his throat and 1546 01:30:11.119 --> 01:30:13.920 just stare him in the eyes. Because he was making 1547 01:30:14.079 --> 01:30:18.000 money off of it. That's that's that was his whole 1548 01:30:18.079 --> 01:30:20.960 reasoning was been. You know, as long as he was 1549 01:30:21.039 --> 01:30:25.279 selling it, he was abusing what it was naturally given 1550 01:30:25.319 --> 01:30:25.920 from the earth. 1551 01:30:26.359 --> 01:30:26.680 Dude. 1552 01:30:26.840 --> 01:30:29.439 That's that's really not even that far fetched. As a 1553 01:30:29.479 --> 01:30:32.319 matter of fact, just last night, we had a guest 1554 01:30:32.359 --> 01:30:35.000 on Meta Mysteries and she's the creator of this app 1555 01:30:35.039 --> 01:30:38.640 called soul Pod and really cool chick. But she was 1556 01:30:38.680 --> 01:30:42.039 talking about how she had done ayahuasca. She'd never done 1557 01:30:42.079 --> 01:30:45.560 any psychedelics at all before and then tried ayahuasca and 1558 01:30:45.600 --> 01:30:49.079 I was like, that's going right into the deep end, right, 1559 01:30:49.640 --> 01:30:52.600 And but she says that, like you can feel like 1560 01:30:52.680 --> 01:31:00.600 this feminine, divine presence, and yeah, it's like these these 1561 01:31:00.720 --> 01:31:03.720 these gods or entities or energies or whatever they are 1562 01:31:03.840 --> 01:31:08.239 are attached to these plants plants. Yes, And you know, 1563 01:31:08.359 --> 01:31:12.960 and it's interesting, especially whenever you get into alchemy and 1564 01:31:13.000 --> 01:31:17.720 you're understanding that the spirit and the scientific part aspect 1565 01:31:17.760 --> 01:31:20.119 of it. Like, you know, I think that that's why 1566 01:31:20.239 --> 01:31:22.680 you know so many people they get bat off on 1567 01:31:22.760 --> 01:31:25.319 alcohol or hard drugs or something like that. And it 1568 01:31:25.319 --> 01:31:27.760 makes me wonder, what is the spirit that's attached to 1569 01:31:27.800 --> 01:31:28.319 those things? 1570 01:31:28.399 --> 01:31:28.600 Right? 1571 01:31:29.239 --> 01:31:33.640 And we talked about alcool, which is allegedly like the 1572 01:31:33.680 --> 01:31:36.920 spirit that's attached to alcohol alcohol, right, And I mean 1573 01:31:37.000 --> 01:31:37.720 think about it like. 1574 01:31:37.920 --> 01:31:41.039 It's a spirit alcoholics that they call it a spirit, right. 1575 01:31:41.880 --> 01:31:46.039 And and in what was it either ancient I think 1576 01:31:46.039 --> 01:31:49.720 it was ancient Samaria or ancient Babylon. The name for 1577 01:31:49.800 --> 01:31:53.239 the altar that they would do sacrifices on was the bar. 1578 01:31:54.840 --> 01:32:00.199 Oh my god, that oh I just love and then 1579 01:32:00.239 --> 01:32:01.479 the shit dude. 1580 01:32:01.920 --> 01:32:02.600 But that's the thing. 1581 01:32:02.680 --> 01:32:04.680 It's like, if people are using it as a form 1582 01:32:04.720 --> 01:32:08.319 of escape from the life that they're living, you're probably 1583 01:32:08.319 --> 01:32:10.720 not going into it with the right intention right now. 1584 01:32:10.760 --> 01:32:13.720 If you're using it to peer to the other side 1585 01:32:14.159 --> 01:32:16.439 and you're you're mentally in a good That's the other 1586 01:32:16.479 --> 01:32:19.159 thing too. We've had so many people that I've talked 1587 01:32:19.159 --> 01:32:22.800 to personally that you know, they tried psychedelics, whether it 1588 01:32:22.840 --> 01:32:26.319 was just you know, regular regular mushrooms or whatever the case, 1589 01:32:26.640 --> 01:32:29.520 had horrible experiences and it's like, well, hold on, are you, like, 1590 01:32:29.960 --> 01:32:32.520 first off, suffering from depression or some sort of chemical 1591 01:32:32.600 --> 01:32:35.279 bouts in the brain. Are you on anti depressants? 1592 01:32:35.479 --> 01:32:35.600 Oh? 1593 01:32:35.680 --> 01:32:37.079 Yeah, every day. 1594 01:32:37.159 --> 01:32:40.000 And it's like, oh well, then don't fucking take this Like, no, 1595 01:32:40.319 --> 01:32:42.439 your brain needs to be in an okay place before 1596 01:32:42.439 --> 01:32:43.560 you dive off into this. 1597 01:32:43.640 --> 01:32:43.800 Man. 1598 01:32:44.000 --> 01:32:46.439 Yeah, and you don't want to be forced into it either. 1599 01:32:46.560 --> 01:32:49.800 It's like they say that whenever the student is ready, 1600 01:32:49.840 --> 01:32:51.840 the teacher will appear kind of thing, and you kind 1601 01:32:51.840 --> 01:32:53.800 of got to teach, you know, treat it like that. 1602 01:32:54.479 --> 01:32:57.560 And you have to be of the mindset of entering 1603 01:32:57.600 --> 01:32:59.880 willingly for the magic to work. 1604 01:33:00.640 --> 01:33:01.039 Yeah. 1605 01:33:01.199 --> 01:33:03.600 Now, let me ask you, what was your first time 1606 01:33:03.600 --> 01:33:05.319 trying psychedelics of any type? 1607 01:33:05.399 --> 01:33:06.439 Was that at a concert? 1608 01:33:08.199 --> 01:33:11.199 No, it was before that, just hanging out, just hanging 1609 01:33:11.239 --> 01:33:11.880 out with friends. 1610 01:33:12.760 --> 01:33:15.079 You said that you were following the dead till what 1611 01:33:15.199 --> 01:33:17.039 you were fourteen and you were on the road. 1612 01:33:17.239 --> 01:33:21.800 I at fourteen years old. So at fourteen years old, 1613 01:33:22.000 --> 01:33:25.399 I threw my turnte because I was a DJ. I 1614 01:33:25.439 --> 01:33:29.159 threw my turntables on top of my friend Ted's Honda Civic. 1615 01:33:29.319 --> 01:33:32.840 It was like little gold hatchbacks Honda Civic and we 1616 01:33:32.920 --> 01:33:37.439 drove from Colorado down to New Orleans, and I basically 1617 01:33:37.600 --> 01:33:44.319 was DJing from Atlanta, Biloxi, New Orleans, like you know, 1618 01:33:44.560 --> 01:33:47.520 and I was djying, so at an early age, I 1619 01:33:47.600 --> 01:33:49.840 was out on the road and I really didn't hear 1620 01:33:49.920 --> 01:33:54.560 about the Grateful Dead until probably five years into traveling 1621 01:33:54.600 --> 01:33:57.239 around to DJing. And then I went to a Grateful 1622 01:33:57.279 --> 01:34:00.199 Dead show. And that was when I was starting to 1623 01:34:00.239 --> 01:34:03.279 make my own more of my own art and making prints. 1624 01:34:03.800 --> 01:34:07.720 And the first show I went to, I had what 1625 01:34:07.920 --> 01:34:11.359 was it, seventy of these posters i'd made. That's a 1626 01:34:11.359 --> 01:34:14.760 big it's a big, like twenty four about thirty poster 1627 01:34:15.359 --> 01:34:17.600 and I set up and I was selling them for 1628 01:34:17.640 --> 01:34:20.000 ten dollars and I sold out in half an hour, 1629 01:34:20.359 --> 01:34:23.039 and I was like, this is what I'm doing. And 1630 01:34:23.119 --> 01:34:26.239 so that was pretty much I jumped on the road and. 1631 01:34:26.319 --> 01:34:27.439 Found my knees market. 1632 01:34:27.479 --> 01:34:28.960 Bro, I'm gonna stick with it and go with the 1633 01:34:29.000 --> 01:34:30.880 money's going just call me in now. 1634 01:34:31.039 --> 01:34:35.960 Fuck yeah basically so yeah, so, and then the Grateful Dead. 1635 01:34:36.039 --> 01:34:39.600 Once Jerry died, I jumped. I'd already been bouncing back 1636 01:34:39.640 --> 01:34:42.439 and forth between Grateful Dead and Fish. Then I jumped 1637 01:34:42.439 --> 01:34:45.199 on Fish. They went on hiatus, and I'd been jumping 1638 01:34:45.239 --> 01:34:49.359 back and forth between cheese and fish. Then I jumped 1639 01:34:49.399 --> 01:34:52.560 on cheese, cheese took hiatus, I ended up going into 1640 01:34:52.560 --> 01:34:56.840 the festival scene. So you know, it's been a long, 1641 01:34:57.199 --> 01:35:02.199 convoluted process of learning experience, you know. 1642 01:35:02.680 --> 01:35:06.439 And I would guess that delving into psychedelics, and I 1643 01:35:06.479 --> 01:35:08.560 do not know to the levels and depths and what 1644 01:35:08.640 --> 01:35:11.039 all you've tried and whatever, but I would assume that 1645 01:35:11.039 --> 01:35:13.800 that has drastically helped you as an artist. 1646 01:35:13.840 --> 01:35:15.239 Am I about accurate there? 1647 01:35:17.119 --> 01:35:19.640 You know? At one point I was doing quite a bit. 1648 01:35:19.840 --> 01:35:23.800 These days not so much anymore. But at the same time, 1649 01:35:23.880 --> 01:35:28.520 it gives you that ability to look outside yourself, to 1650 01:35:28.600 --> 01:35:31.680 see the bigger picture, to kind of uh look at 1651 01:35:31.680 --> 01:35:34.319 your faults and correct them, you know. And you go 1652 01:35:34.359 --> 01:35:36.159 back to the old mystery schools, and it was always 1653 01:35:36.199 --> 01:35:40.479 about the idea of know thyself, you know, and live 1654 01:35:40.640 --> 01:35:44.720 in just accordance, live in truth, you know. And and 1655 01:35:44.800 --> 01:35:50.239 that's what the whole uh trinity of logic, rhetoric and fallacy, 1656 01:35:50.720 --> 01:35:54.119 you know, within the trivium is all about, you know. 1657 01:35:54.199 --> 01:35:57.560 And that's basically you know, Jesus says, I Am the Truth, 1658 01:35:57.600 --> 01:35:59.560 the Way, and the light, you know. So it's like 1659 01:35:59.560 --> 01:36:03.279 this idea of what is the truth? You know, and 1660 01:36:03.279 --> 01:36:06.920 and that's why we dig, that's why we try to understand. 1661 01:36:06.960 --> 01:36:10.000 That's why we try to get this cohesive like uh, 1662 01:36:10.640 --> 01:36:15.560 you know, overstanding or understanding or whatever you want to 1663 01:36:15.600 --> 01:36:16.319 call it. You know. 1664 01:36:16.880 --> 01:36:19.359 Oh yeah, dude, dude, I was actually I was just 1665 01:36:19.399 --> 01:36:22.159 doing a little bit of research on your boy, Nimrod, 1666 01:36:22.439 --> 01:36:25.079 and uh turns out he may have been one of 1667 01:36:25.159 --> 01:36:29.640 the original motherfuckers. Uh he married his wife allegedly. 1668 01:36:29.720 --> 01:36:35.079 He was the original cook hold sit so yeah, because 1669 01:36:35.079 --> 01:36:41.720 he would basically watch the religious sex rights and be 1670 01:36:41.960 --> 01:36:46.039 the high priest of the rights. And he was called 1671 01:36:46.079 --> 01:36:47.880 as cook hold yeap. 1672 01:36:48.279 --> 01:36:51.039 To Move if I'm not mistaken, which was his son 1673 01:36:51.439 --> 01:36:54.159 again depending on what literary source of reading, of course, 1674 01:36:54.199 --> 01:36:58.000 with all respect, uh to Moves fucked his wife, which 1675 01:36:58.000 --> 01:37:01.560 would have been to MOSE's mom, and Ron cut his 1676 01:37:01.680 --> 01:37:03.640 dick off and throw it in the water, and then 1677 01:37:03.800 --> 01:37:07.520 somebody went in and reattached it to Tomus allegedly, and 1678 01:37:07.560 --> 01:37:10.119 it was like his dad being reborn in his son's 1679 01:37:10.159 --> 01:37:11.640 body father something. 1680 01:37:12.359 --> 01:37:13.760 It's it's so old. 1681 01:37:13.760 --> 01:37:16.399 Now should we take these things literally or is it 1682 01:37:16.479 --> 01:37:18.119 more symbolically in your opinion? 1683 01:37:18.720 --> 01:37:22.479 So from the from the stance of the kinghood or 1684 01:37:22.520 --> 01:37:25.920 the queen hood. There was this constant thing that you 1685 01:37:26.000 --> 01:37:31.640 see Osiris is with isis right, And when Osiris dies, 1686 01:37:31.760 --> 01:37:36.479 she births Horace, and and then she marries Horace, and 1687 01:37:36.520 --> 01:37:40.079 then Horace becomes more worshiped of her, and the same 1688 01:37:40.119 --> 01:37:45.119 thing with Samaramis. And so you constantly have this uh 1689 01:37:45.560 --> 01:37:50.960 turning over of the father becoming the son and the 1690 01:37:51.039 --> 01:37:55.880 queen marrying the son as the energy of the father. 1691 01:37:56.960 --> 01:37:59.920 And that's why I say maybe these titles were handed 1692 01:38:00.119 --> 01:38:06.840 down through the lineages in order to maintain kingship, you know. 1693 01:38:07.520 --> 01:38:10.079 But yeah, that's a common thing you see of the 1694 01:38:10.119 --> 01:38:16.800 mother marrying the offspring as the father, which kind of 1695 01:38:16.800 --> 01:38:20.800 gets into the inner relationship of the trinity itself, you know. 1696 01:38:20.960 --> 01:38:23.479 Yeah, especially the Egyptian religion too. 1697 01:38:23.560 --> 01:38:26.159 If you look at any of the stories of the 1698 01:38:26.159 --> 01:38:30.079 Egyptian gods and their parentage and the hijinks they got into. 1699 01:38:30.119 --> 01:38:32.159 And we've talked about this on the show, Toad wearing 1700 01:38:32.199 --> 01:38:34.920 his calm crown and that whole thing, and it's like, well, 1701 01:38:34.960 --> 01:38:35.880 where did that come from? 1702 01:38:35.880 --> 01:38:39.159 Well, that this uncle and his nephew. 1703 01:38:38.800 --> 01:38:41.439 Were having an issue, and apparently he tried raping him, 1704 01:38:41.479 --> 01:38:43.680 but then instead he jacked off on some cabbage and 1705 01:38:43.680 --> 01:38:44.079 he ate it. 1706 01:38:44.079 --> 01:38:46.000 And it's a very wild story, very well. 1707 01:38:46.359 --> 01:38:48.199 But it's not like Egypt was the only one that 1708 01:38:48.239 --> 01:38:51.000 had wild stories that. I mean, hell, most of the 1709 01:38:51.000 --> 01:38:55.119 Greek and Roman Pantheonic religions were based on Zeus slash 1710 01:38:55.159 --> 01:38:58.880 Jupiter fucking everything that moved everything to deal with the 1711 01:38:59.039 --> 01:39:02.319 with the offspring, and that was a whole thing around 1712 01:39:02.319 --> 01:39:04.720 the Mediterranean pretty much since the beginning. 1713 01:39:04.840 --> 01:39:06.760 And I don't know if you're supposed to even take 1714 01:39:06.800 --> 01:39:09.239 those things literally though, you know, I think that it's 1715 01:39:09.359 --> 01:39:12.760 more supposed to be symbolically like in that sense, and 1716 01:39:12.880 --> 01:39:15.600 like what can you understand from it esoterically? I can't 1717 01:39:15.640 --> 01:39:18.119 imagine the tholth was walking around with an actual fucking 1718 01:39:18.119 --> 01:39:19.920 gum crown, Like, let's just be real, you know. 1719 01:39:20.720 --> 01:39:24.399 So the thing is, when you look at the ideas 1720 01:39:24.399 --> 01:39:28.880 of initiation into these mystery schools, right when you first 1721 01:39:28.960 --> 01:39:32.880 become initiated, they teach you all the symbols, They teach 1722 01:39:32.920 --> 01:39:38.399 you the esoteric story that is the function, right, and 1723 01:39:38.439 --> 01:39:42.119 then as you move higher through the different levels. At 1724 01:39:42.119 --> 01:39:45.520 each level they explain the depth of the symbol to 1725 01:39:45.720 --> 01:39:48.960 you and so as you become higher and higher, you 1726 01:39:49.039 --> 01:39:52.720 have a more cohesive kind of just like with conspiracy, 1727 01:39:53.319 --> 01:39:56.399 just like you know, you have a deeper understanding of 1728 01:39:56.439 --> 01:39:59.600 the depth of the waters that you're wading into. 1729 01:40:00.119 --> 01:40:03.319 You know, very very similar to how that, I would say, 1730 01:40:03.560 --> 01:40:08.239 potentially Freemasonry would be a modern mystery school of sorts, right, 1731 01:40:08.279 --> 01:40:10.520 And yet they take the notes from so many others, 1732 01:40:10.560 --> 01:40:13.159 and there's yes, the world not they fine, fine, fine, 1733 01:40:13.159 --> 01:40:16.920 But each level that you ascend to ascend their word, 1734 01:40:16.960 --> 01:40:19.920 not mine. They teach you a new word, a new 1735 01:40:20.000 --> 01:40:24.319 past or, a new phrase, a new a new schedule exactly. 1736 01:40:24.359 --> 01:40:27.720 And it's all they call it your seeking knowledge. You're 1737 01:40:27.760 --> 01:40:30.840 seeking the light and how far down your travels are. 1738 01:40:30.760 --> 01:40:31.800 You, fellow traveler. 1739 01:40:32.279 --> 01:40:35.479 All of that is very very connected, and I would 1740 01:40:35.520 --> 01:40:38.439 say like a second cousin to the mystery schools of 1741 01:40:38.479 --> 01:40:39.079 old ye. 1742 01:40:39.520 --> 01:40:42.800 So now when you look at Free Mason, the Free 1743 01:40:42.840 --> 01:40:48.279 Masonic orders, right, they directly trace them themselves back to 1744 01:40:49.520 --> 01:40:54.920 Adonis and Aphrodite in tai year, who were the workmen, 1745 01:40:55.079 --> 01:40:58.720 the Ghibbelites that went and helped Solomon build the temple. 1746 01:40:59.399 --> 01:41:05.319 They were the sacred temple builders of Greece, building the 1747 01:41:05.319 --> 01:41:09.479 theaters and the temples, so, you know, and and back 1748 01:41:09.520 --> 01:41:12.359 to Nimrod again. They say Nimrod was the first Freemason, 1749 01:41:12.600 --> 01:41:15.600 and Pele, this guy Peleg, who is the architect of 1750 01:41:15.640 --> 01:41:19.159 the Tower of Babel, he was the second Freemason, you know. 1751 01:41:19.359 --> 01:41:26.560 So it the the freemason modern Freemason movement directly traces 1752 01:41:26.600 --> 01:41:29.840 themselves back to Nimrod and the mystery schools in all 1753 01:41:30.039 --> 01:41:33.439 form and fashion. You know. So they are basically a 1754 01:41:33.479 --> 01:41:38.439 modern simulacra of the Mystery schools, which I believe is 1755 01:41:38.800 --> 01:41:43.159 basically used as the gentelia of government for recruiting people 1756 01:41:43.199 --> 01:41:45.000 into state craft. 1757 01:41:46.039 --> 01:41:49.079 You know, I could see that, honestly, or at least 1758 01:41:49.960 --> 01:41:51.880 at least at one point it was. I will say 1759 01:41:52.000 --> 01:41:56.960 modern Freemasonry is on the drastic decline, to be honest, 1760 01:41:57.199 --> 01:42:00.960 so are most organizations. The Roman Club, Alliance Club, all 1761 01:42:01.000 --> 01:42:02.640 of them see less and less numbers. 1762 01:42:02.720 --> 01:42:05.239 But as I've talked to a few guys that used. 1763 01:42:05.119 --> 01:42:07.239 To be Freemasons and like older gentlemen, right, and they 1764 01:42:07.359 --> 01:42:11.359 they actually blame their words, color TV and the Internet 1765 01:42:11.479 --> 01:42:13.600 for why it's all going on the decline. 1766 01:42:13.640 --> 01:42:14.680 I was like, what do you mean by that? 1767 01:42:14.720 --> 01:42:17.680 It's like, well, most guys have something better to do 1768 01:42:17.760 --> 01:42:20.279 with their time on a random Tuesday night than go. 1769 01:42:20.239 --> 01:42:22.359 To the lodge for a meeting, you know what I mean. 1770 01:42:22.359 --> 01:42:24.359 That used to be, like, what else are you gonna 1771 01:42:24.359 --> 01:42:25.359 do on a Tuesday night? 1772 01:42:25.399 --> 01:42:27.359 Well, you know, I got me and my boys. We're 1773 01:42:27.359 --> 01:42:29.199 gonna go and do a little some ceremonial things. Then 1774 01:42:29.199 --> 01:42:32.760 we're gonna have drinks and just afterwards. Right, swords got 1775 01:42:32.760 --> 01:42:35.720 some shit these days, like you could just watch your 1776 01:42:35.720 --> 01:42:38.119 show because they didn't have those types of forms of 1777 01:42:38.239 --> 01:42:40.720 entertainment or anything else back in those days. So I 1778 01:42:40.720 --> 01:42:42.399 think there's a little bit of that to it, But 1779 01:42:42.439 --> 01:42:44.359 I also think there's more and more people who have 1780 01:42:44.520 --> 01:42:47.560 left these types of organizations with so many bad reports, 1781 01:42:47.600 --> 01:42:50.319 and because of the Internet, the word has spread and 1782 01:42:50.359 --> 01:42:54.039 been sensationalized in such a way. But the the truth 1783 01:42:54.279 --> 01:42:56.520 to it all, I think, is still there. It's just 1784 01:42:56.600 --> 01:42:59.000 not many people are interested in it like they used 1785 01:42:59.039 --> 01:43:02.159 to be, and speak of Tuesday nights. By the way, 1786 01:43:02.279 --> 01:43:05.199 that's why we chose Tuesday night to have our cult 1787 01:43:05.279 --> 01:43:08.399 Member live show. So if you want to be involved 1788 01:43:08.399 --> 01:43:10.199 in any of our live shows, you want to be 1789 01:43:10.239 --> 01:43:12.079 able to get the shows a couple of days in advance. 1790 01:43:12.119 --> 01:43:16.760 You want to be able to have. Then you come 1791 01:43:16.800 --> 01:43:19.560 over to patreon dot com slash Cult of Conspiracy Podcast, 1792 01:43:19.640 --> 01:43:21.479 and if you can sign up for the Third Eye 1793 01:43:21.520 --> 01:43:23.479 All the Way Open tier, you'll get to come hang 1794 01:43:23.520 --> 01:43:27.359 out with us every single Tuesday night. It is wild. 1795 01:43:27.520 --> 01:43:30.600 You never really know what to expect because it's just 1796 01:43:30.760 --> 01:43:36.840 one giant conspiratorial thought orgy that is going on, and 1797 01:43:37.000 --> 01:43:40.279 it is awesome. We go from far end to far 1798 01:43:40.479 --> 01:43:43.119 end to wherever your imagination can take you, and you 1799 01:43:43.199 --> 01:43:46.079 can ask us anything. We can bounce things back and forth, 1800 01:43:46.079 --> 01:43:48.000 and it's just one great community and it's the best 1801 01:43:48.039 --> 01:43:49.279 way to be able to support the show. So we 1802 01:43:49.319 --> 01:43:51.800 appreciate all the good cult members who have done so. 1803 01:43:52.000 --> 01:43:54.439 Yeah, I like that you phrased it, though, I'm gonna 1804 01:43:54.439 --> 01:43:57.239 start using that it's a conspiratorial thought orgy. 1805 01:43:57.640 --> 01:43:59.399 Hell yeah, it's good Cult members. 1806 01:43:59.079 --> 01:44:01.479 Listening to this episode. Come check us out on Patreon. 1807 01:44:01.560 --> 01:44:03.520 It is like Jonathan said, the best way to sport 1808 01:44:03.520 --> 01:44:03.800 the show. 1809 01:44:03.920 --> 01:44:05.840 I didn't hold that one right out the ether, bro, 1810 01:44:05.920 --> 01:44:07.520 I don't even know where the fuck that came from. 1811 01:44:07.960 --> 01:44:10.680 I mean, natural segues don't present themselves often, but when 1812 01:44:10.760 --> 01:44:12.760 they do, you just gotta take advantage. 1813 01:44:13.039 --> 01:44:13.920 Yeah, anyway. 1814 01:44:13.960 --> 01:44:17.520 Anyway, So, yeah, I have a question as far as 1815 01:44:18.600 --> 01:44:23.279 Freemasons and other modern day mystery schools. At modern I 1816 01:44:23.319 --> 01:44:26.640 mean within the last one hundred and fifty years, let's 1817 01:44:26.720 --> 01:44:31.119 just say, it seems like a lot of these modern 1818 01:44:31.199 --> 01:44:33.680 day mystery schools get a very bad rep whenever you're 1819 01:44:33.680 --> 01:44:36.560 talking about the Rosicrucians or the Freemasons, you name them. 1820 01:44:36.600 --> 01:44:39.760 The list goes on and on the order of the 1821 01:44:39.760 --> 01:44:44.920 Golden Dawn and order temporal orientis or whatever, the Illuminati, right, 1822 01:44:45.039 --> 01:44:48.359 and it always seems to be something evil. You know, 1823 01:44:48.479 --> 01:44:52.000 that there's that they're controlling the world, or they're doing 1824 01:44:52.079 --> 01:44:55.119 sacrifices or you know, to get to the thirty third 1825 01:44:55.159 --> 01:44:58.640 degree within Freemasonry, you got to announce that Satan is 1826 01:44:58.640 --> 01:45:01.880 your god or whatever. And it's like, why why does 1827 01:45:01.920 --> 01:45:05.279 it have like this negative kind of connotation if if 1828 01:45:05.319 --> 01:45:08.000 you're really only just searching for truth, is the truth 1829 01:45:08.079 --> 01:45:10.600 negative at that point? Like what's the whole purpose of 1830 01:45:10.640 --> 01:45:13.239 it if you're not seeking truth but just power? 1831 01:45:14.239 --> 01:45:14.439 Right? 1832 01:45:14.960 --> 01:45:15.159 Yeah? 1833 01:45:15.159 --> 01:45:17.560 And I think, uh, you know a lot of these 1834 01:45:17.720 --> 01:45:23.159 these various simula recults, they offer a frontist story, but 1835 01:45:23.199 --> 01:45:26.199 when you get into the higher levels, much like DOT, 1836 01:45:26.239 --> 01:45:28.760 when you watch Doctor Strange how he finds out that 1837 01:45:28.840 --> 01:45:32.199 his guru is actually you know, tapping into this evil 1838 01:45:32.279 --> 01:45:36.640 source for her good projections. It's very yin and yang. 1839 01:45:36.840 --> 01:45:40.199 You know, within all good, there is that that point 1840 01:45:40.239 --> 01:45:43.239 of evil. Within all evil, there is that point of good. 1841 01:45:43.600 --> 01:45:45.880 And you know what was that the read the recent 1842 01:45:46.840 --> 01:45:50.039 proton that they were able to photograph is a yin 1843 01:45:50.119 --> 01:45:54.079 and yang symbol. Yeah, you know so again you know, 1844 01:45:54.119 --> 01:45:57.520 as far as the decline of freemasonry, they're telling those 1845 01:45:57.600 --> 01:46:01.640 same mystery stories on the television we're watching now. Yeah, 1846 01:46:01.640 --> 01:46:06.399 you know, so it's just another way to uh uh indoctrinate, 1847 01:46:06.680 --> 01:46:11.199 not necessarily, but initiate people into these these kind of 1848 01:46:11.279 --> 01:46:12.159 higher concepts. 1849 01:46:12.239 --> 01:46:14.159 And you brought up Doctor Strange. I think that that 1850 01:46:14.279 --> 01:46:17.119 is a perfect example, not even only just of Doctor Strange, 1851 01:46:17.159 --> 01:46:19.640 but Disney as a whole. It does seem to be 1852 01:46:19.960 --> 01:46:24.399 very symbolic with everything that they do, and and most 1853 01:46:24.439 --> 01:46:27.319 of the time the movies and shows are for the 1854 01:46:27.359 --> 01:46:30.840 young ones, for the youth, and it makes you wonder, 1855 01:46:31.359 --> 01:46:35.199 is it kind of an initiatory process to help with 1856 01:46:35.239 --> 01:46:38.319 awakening or is it more mk ultra We're going to 1857 01:46:38.399 --> 01:46:41.880 poison the minds. I've got it both. 1858 01:46:41.960 --> 01:46:45.279 Yeah, yeah, and I've I've heard that, you know, I've 1859 01:46:45.279 --> 01:46:48.960 come across that concept over time numerous times, the idea 1860 01:46:49.079 --> 01:46:53.000 that that like they have to plunge you into the 1861 01:46:53.119 --> 01:46:57.640 darkness in order to awaken your mind. Let's go, you know, 1862 01:46:57.720 --> 01:47:01.439 so it's a necessary function of you know, then like doom, 1863 01:47:01.520 --> 01:47:02.680 the sleeper must awaken. 1864 01:47:03.079 --> 01:47:03.319 You know. 1865 01:47:03.399 --> 01:47:06.800 It's like it's this concept of how, you know, how 1866 01:47:06.800 --> 01:47:11.479 do you shake people into higher levels of thinking? You know, 1867 01:47:11.640 --> 01:47:14.000 And and then you debate was m k LTRA a 1868 01:47:14.039 --> 01:47:16.960 good thing or was mk LTRA a bad thing? Like 1869 01:47:17.119 --> 01:47:19.840 what are they trying to create people that thought? Different? 1870 01:47:20.079 --> 01:47:24.359 Different mindsets? Bringing about you know, when Crick discovered when 1871 01:47:24.359 --> 01:47:28.119 he discovered the DNA he had he was on LSD 1872 01:47:28.680 --> 01:47:30.840 and he imagined what it was going to look like 1873 01:47:31.199 --> 01:47:33.239 and then they found it, you know, And when you 1874 01:47:33.279 --> 01:47:36.840 get into these microprocessors and the people in Silicon Valley 1875 01:47:37.159 --> 01:47:40.720 in the microdosing and all these different it's a way 1876 01:47:40.880 --> 01:47:47.159 to uh, you know, expand the possibilities of of you know, 1877 01:47:47.600 --> 01:47:48.439 the unthinkable. 1878 01:47:48.840 --> 01:47:50.800 So it's kind of like the force. Then it doesn't 1879 01:47:50.960 --> 01:47:54.079 doesn't necessarily matter if it's good or bad. It's it's 1880 01:47:54.119 --> 01:47:56.560 a tool, right, I've seen. 1881 01:47:56.399 --> 01:47:57.119 A lot of people. 1882 01:47:57.239 --> 01:47:59.319 Actually I watched this little mini doc once I was 1883 01:47:59.319 --> 01:48:02.359 talking about it's actually Disney Movies is since like eighty 1884 01:48:02.439 --> 01:48:07.319 five to now, right, and not every single flick that 1885 01:48:07.359 --> 01:48:10.239 has come out has done this, but it seems to 1886 01:48:10.279 --> 01:48:16.199 be an initiatory step into modern day agnosticism, right, and 1887 01:48:16.279 --> 01:48:17.880 a lot of and the mean, sure, we could look 1888 01:48:17.920 --> 01:48:21.439 at like Mowana right now, he's a demi god, and 1889 01:48:21.479 --> 01:48:24.159 it's talking about a pantheon of other gods hercules, a 1890 01:48:24.159 --> 01:48:26.319 whole group of God's fine, fine and fine aside from 1891 01:48:26.319 --> 01:48:28.479 the ones that obviously are gonna have demi gods and 1892 01:48:28.520 --> 01:48:31.640 things like this, there's like a reason why the main 1893 01:48:31.720 --> 01:48:34.560 character only has one parent, or has to go through 1894 01:48:34.640 --> 01:48:37.319 some sort of crazy trivial thing, or has to always 1895 01:48:37.359 --> 01:48:41.720 as super young exactly. And it's always when you break 1896 01:48:41.800 --> 01:48:44.760 it down to what the Gnostics were teaching, and not 1897 01:48:44.840 --> 01:48:47.319 just the whole story about uh, well, everybody thinks God's 1898 01:48:47.359 --> 01:48:50.039 the good guy, but like what if he's not, because that's. 1899 01:48:49.920 --> 01:48:52.319 The fine, fine. 1900 01:48:52.319 --> 01:48:54.640 But as far as the hero's journey of it, as 1901 01:48:54.640 --> 01:48:58.159 far as the lessons learned, as far as the the Odyssey, 1902 01:48:58.319 --> 01:49:01.159 if you will of it, all It's almost like Disney 1903 01:49:01.199 --> 01:49:05.239 has been soft launching this generation to be more gnostic 1904 01:49:05.479 --> 01:49:07.800 than more traditional. 1905 01:49:08.119 --> 01:49:10.000 I mean, and you could argue that it goes back 1906 01:49:10.039 --> 01:49:12.600 even farther and look back to Walt Disney and who 1907 01:49:12.640 --> 01:49:15.800 he was associated with, right, like, all the way back 1908 01:49:15.840 --> 01:49:18.960 he was friends with fucking Warner von Braun and you 1909 01:49:19.000 --> 01:49:21.479 know Jack Parsons and shit like that wasn't. 1910 01:49:21.279 --> 01:49:25.520 He Gebels came over and supposedly trained under Disney. And 1911 01:49:25.560 --> 01:49:29.560 then you from what I understand, Disney, Walt when he 1912 01:49:29.640 --> 01:49:33.079 was in the army, he got a dishonorable discharge so 1913 01:49:33.119 --> 01:49:36.960 he couldn't own property. So all that property that became 1914 01:49:37.119 --> 01:49:42.039 Disneyland basically was his brother Roy. And then I've read 1915 01:49:42.079 --> 01:49:45.279 that Hoover came down and was involved in setting up 1916 01:49:45.319 --> 01:49:50.079 all the tunnels underneath Disney. And then you know Walt 1917 01:49:50.159 --> 01:49:55.119 himself was demolet as a child, which is premasonry for children. 1918 01:49:55.399 --> 01:49:58.359 And then you have the thirty three Club that you 1919 01:49:58.439 --> 01:50:01.159 have to have the secret password to get into. That's there. 1920 01:50:01.720 --> 01:50:05.000 There's you know, a lot, and again back to Epcot 1921 01:50:05.039 --> 01:50:07.319 and how they tell you we're going to capture your 1922 01:50:07.319 --> 01:50:10.800 imagination and we're going to show you the future you know, 1923 01:50:10.880 --> 01:50:15.680 these are these are tools of engineering the mind. 1924 01:50:16.600 --> 01:50:18.039 Yesely it didn't. 1925 01:50:18.359 --> 01:50:20.279 I'm glad that they just made it to where Disney 1926 01:50:20.399 --> 01:50:23.079 is in its own country now, because for a good 1927 01:50:23.119 --> 01:50:27.319 minute there up until it was like twenty two twenty three, 1928 01:50:27.359 --> 01:50:30.359 is not that Like DeSantis was like, no, you're not 1929 01:50:30.399 --> 01:50:32.760 going to make your own laws on your theme park. 1930 01:50:33.000 --> 01:50:35.199 Fuck you, You're a part of Florida. And Disney had 1931 01:50:35.199 --> 01:50:35.800 to push back. 1932 01:50:35.880 --> 01:50:37.960 They hired all the lawyers they could to try to 1933 01:50:38.000 --> 01:50:40.079 maintain their state ship, which. 1934 01:50:41.000 --> 01:50:45.319 Yeah, they actually ended up trying to use a British 1935 01:50:45.319 --> 01:50:48.479 Commonwealth law that they were associated under that goes back 1936 01:50:48.520 --> 01:50:52.680 to England. Yeah, through the course of that lawsuit. And yeah, 1937 01:50:52.720 --> 01:50:56.760 it isn't because they were basically a sovereign nation unto themselves. 1938 01:50:56.640 --> 01:50:59.479 You know, itself to a lot of these sovereign citizen 1939 01:50:59.520 --> 01:51:02.399 types who still think they like America's owned by England 1940 01:51:02.439 --> 01:51:04.680 and were a part of the Commonwealth, please look to 1941 01:51:04.720 --> 01:51:05.840 what happened at Disney. 1942 01:51:06.000 --> 01:51:06.560 No, we're not. 1943 01:51:06.840 --> 01:51:09.600 Because they tried that argument and got their dick slapped 1944 01:51:09.640 --> 01:51:11.680 over it. That's not how it works anymore. But yeah, 1945 01:51:11.720 --> 01:51:14.560 you know, people being people. But I mean, even with 1946 01:51:14.640 --> 01:51:17.760 that said thing, Canada didn't actually get its own full 1947 01:51:17.800 --> 01:51:21.680 independence until like nineteen eighty one, Like they were given 1948 01:51:21.680 --> 01:51:23.720 a little bit more autonomy, a little bit more autonomy 1949 01:51:23.720 --> 01:51:25.880 for like, you know, for however long. Then finally in 1950 01:51:25.960 --> 01:51:29.359 eighty one, it's like, fine, you're fully your own country, 1951 01:51:29.399 --> 01:51:31.199 but the Queen's still staying on your money. 1952 01:51:31.199 --> 01:51:33.920 And it's like they still and they still use the 1953 01:51:34.000 --> 01:51:38.359 queen scepter in the parliament, basically the queen or the 1954 01:51:38.479 --> 01:51:41.399 king now king chuck you the third giving authority to 1955 01:51:41.600 --> 01:51:44.279 them to make the rule. And anytime there was a 1956 01:51:44.319 --> 01:51:48.039 point in the nineties where the queen disagreed and she 1957 01:51:48.159 --> 01:51:51.279 actually took the scepter and dissolved the parliament. They brought 1958 01:51:51.319 --> 01:51:53.520 all new people in and she gave them the scepter again. 1959 01:51:53.840 --> 01:51:57.359 You know. So it's you know, that's the whole when 1960 01:51:57.399 --> 01:52:03.840 you get into the ideas of liberty, quality, fraternity that 1961 01:52:04.000 --> 01:52:07.439 the Freemasons and the Illuminati and coming out of the 1962 01:52:07.439 --> 01:52:12.640 mystery schools were preaching about the fire in the mind 1963 01:52:12.680 --> 01:52:16.600 to be kindled and the overthrow of crown and altar. 1964 01:52:17.159 --> 01:52:20.000 You know, it gets deep. 1965 01:52:20.680 --> 01:52:23.560 Yeah, and see that's the thing they can't come to 1966 01:52:23.720 --> 01:52:26.560 the American Congress. The king is not coming to Congress 1967 01:52:26.560 --> 01:52:28.039 and saying, yeah, you're all fired. 1968 01:52:28.119 --> 01:52:30.279 I don't like you anymore. You need to change up. 1969 01:52:30.439 --> 01:52:32.199 They can do that to Canada, they can do that 1970 01:52:32.239 --> 01:52:35.119 to Australia, New Zealand all these other Commonwealth countries. 1971 01:52:35.359 --> 01:52:39.439 America is not that. But I digress anyway. 1972 01:52:39.840 --> 01:52:43.079 I want to ask you, Robbie, I've been really looking 1973 01:52:43.119 --> 01:52:48.880 into people like to call me a new Ager Jacob 1974 01:52:49.000 --> 01:52:51.199 loves that or woo woo and stuff like that. And 1975 01:52:51.239 --> 01:52:53.319 to be honest, I used to take it as kind 1976 01:52:53.319 --> 01:52:56.239 of like almost like a little slight, not like it's 1977 01:52:56.279 --> 01:52:58.279 like a brotherly love kind of slight. You know, I 1978 01:52:58.520 --> 01:53:02.439 never intended as such, but of course, of course, and 1979 01:53:02.600 --> 01:53:04.479 so I've been really looking into a lot of this 1980 01:53:04.640 --> 01:53:08.039 kind of stuff. And you know, what are your thoughts 1981 01:53:08.159 --> 01:53:11.800 on the New Age movement or the New Age philosophy 1982 01:53:11.880 --> 01:53:15.239 whenever people are just kind of gathering all this information 1983 01:53:15.439 --> 01:53:18.560 from all different times and all different peoples from around 1984 01:53:18.560 --> 01:53:22.000 the world and utilizing it as a whole and collecting 1985 01:53:22.039 --> 01:53:24.359 them altogether in a sense, do you think that that 1986 01:53:24.600 --> 01:53:27.880 is silly by any means? Or do you think that 1987 01:53:27.880 --> 01:53:33.119 that might be the next wave of spirituality in a sense? 1988 01:53:33.479 --> 01:53:38.279 Right right there, is a prophecy that the next great 1989 01:53:38.319 --> 01:53:41.840 wave of spirituality will come from the North American continent. 1990 01:53:42.880 --> 01:53:46.479 You know. But we are in a time of revelation. 1991 01:53:46.960 --> 01:53:50.680 We have all of this information available to swirling around, 1992 01:53:50.960 --> 01:53:55.000 and that it's simply that it's information. You know, it's 1993 01:53:55.039 --> 01:53:58.680 not fully formed and coagulated. You know, we're dealing with 1994 01:53:59.479 --> 01:54:02.840 all these piece is trying to put this information into 1995 01:54:02.880 --> 01:54:05.880 some solid form, and some of those systems line up. 1996 01:54:05.960 --> 01:54:08.319 Some of those systems don't. I think when you look 1997 01:54:08.399 --> 01:54:11.000 back at a lot of what the New Age movement is, 1998 01:54:11.880 --> 01:54:15.439 you can trace that back to Madame Blovotsky and what 1999 01:54:15.720 --> 01:54:19.359 ended up coming into the ideas of the German people 2000 01:54:19.399 --> 01:54:23.239 as the Vulk, you know, and Hitler being a vegetarian 2001 01:54:23.760 --> 01:54:28.000 and kind of this whole. You know. I think there 2002 01:54:28.000 --> 01:54:31.439 are some faults with it, But at the same time, 2003 01:54:31.800 --> 01:54:37.560 I think the amalgamation again is generally edifying those who 2004 01:54:37.640 --> 01:54:38.720 choose to look. 2005 01:54:39.399 --> 01:54:41.720 I feel that same way. I think that you can apply, 2006 01:54:42.039 --> 01:54:45.039 you know, a lot of different spiritual beliefs together and 2007 01:54:45.199 --> 01:54:48.399 try and form some kind of picture. And to be honest, dude, 2008 01:54:48.399 --> 01:54:49.760 ever since I was a little kid, you know, I 2009 01:54:49.840 --> 01:54:52.720 wasn't raised in a religious household. We barely ever went 2010 01:54:52.720 --> 01:54:54.159 to church. I think we went like two or three 2011 01:54:54.199 --> 01:54:58.239 times in my whole childhood. Same here and and so. 2012 01:54:58.600 --> 01:55:00.720 I you know, but I had heard that other people 2013 01:55:00.760 --> 01:55:04.880 had different religions and there's all these different sectors of Christianity, 2014 01:55:04.960 --> 01:55:07.439 which as a young kid, I just didn't understand. I 2015 01:55:07.520 --> 01:55:10.119 was like, what does that even mean? Like, it's it's 2016 01:55:10.159 --> 01:55:13.159 one book. How do you have so many different you know, 2017 01:55:13.239 --> 01:55:16.800 denominations of it and stuff like that. But I kind 2018 01:55:16.800 --> 01:55:19.920 of always thought, even from a young age, that that 2019 01:55:20.319 --> 01:55:22.319 in order to get the full story, maybe you got 2020 01:55:22.359 --> 01:55:24.960 to look at all of the information and not just 2021 01:55:25.079 --> 01:55:28.159 one source of the information. And I mean some people 2022 01:55:28.199 --> 01:55:31.439 may deem that as silly or or whatever, but I 2023 01:55:31.479 --> 01:55:34.159 feel like, you know, I think that whenever you're able 2024 01:55:34.279 --> 01:55:38.720 to kind of grasp what the entire world has been 2025 01:55:39.079 --> 01:55:42.279 talking about and what other people have discovered it, it 2026 01:55:42.479 --> 01:55:47.359 doesn't it leaves uh because all right, for example, I 2027 01:55:47.399 --> 01:55:51.359 know that there's going to be like people have questions 2028 01:55:51.960 --> 01:55:56.279 that can't be answered in one specific religion or another right. 2029 01:55:56.520 --> 01:55:59.279 And I think that whenever you gather all the information together, 2030 01:55:59.399 --> 01:56:02.119 it kind that helps paint the picture about what your 2031 01:56:02.199 --> 01:56:05.239 experience or what your thought process or or whatever your 2032 01:56:05.319 --> 01:56:08.840 question may be, whatever you group, you know, all the 2033 01:56:08.880 --> 01:56:11.520 different thoughts together in a sence, you know what I mean? 2034 01:56:12.119 --> 01:56:15.479 Oh yeah, yeah, And you know that's kind of going 2035 01:56:15.520 --> 01:56:17.640 through the histories over all these years. That's kind of 2036 01:56:17.680 --> 01:56:20.800 what I've been doing. Isaac Newton was even trying to 2037 01:56:20.840 --> 01:56:24.960 write a you know these there's been chronologiers through history 2038 01:56:25.000 --> 01:56:28.560 that try to say these things and move Egypt up, 2039 01:56:28.680 --> 01:56:32.439 move Egypt back, you know. But that's the thing. When 2040 01:56:32.600 --> 01:56:37.000 was something written, how does that affect the storyline? And 2041 01:56:37.039 --> 01:56:40.119 then you come into this great age of publishing in 2042 01:56:40.159 --> 01:56:43.479 the eighteen hundreds when you have all these people early on, 2043 01:56:43.680 --> 01:56:46.800 you know, the Orientalists and the and they're trying to 2044 01:56:46.840 --> 01:56:50.159 amalgamate all these things, and you know, mising, I think 2045 01:56:50.159 --> 01:56:53.000 it's always best to go back to the source texts, 2046 01:56:53.439 --> 01:56:55.760 you know, when you're looking at this stuff. But it's 2047 01:56:55.880 --> 01:56:59.000 nice to see, you know. And my interpretation of Nimrod, 2048 01:57:00.159 --> 01:57:02.600 as far as him being a skinwalker, is just me 2049 01:57:02.680 --> 01:57:06.039 analyzing the texts and coming to a conclusion. Somebody else 2050 01:57:06.079 --> 01:57:08.800 may come to a different conclusion, you know, but I 2051 01:57:08.920 --> 01:57:12.840 just I think that, you know, in a lot of ways, 2052 01:57:14.359 --> 01:57:18.079 it has lessons to offer. But at the same time 2053 01:57:18.640 --> 01:57:22.199 it's become a form of entertainment for sure. 2054 01:57:22.479 --> 01:57:25.319 And I think that interpretation has always been something that 2055 01:57:25.399 --> 01:57:28.520 people bicker about, and you know, maybe there's always some 2056 01:57:28.600 --> 01:57:31.079 kind of divide. Oh it means this, No, it means that. No, 2057 01:57:31.239 --> 01:57:34.439 it means this, and and you know, who knows, dude, 2058 01:57:34.439 --> 01:57:37.199 we're talking about certain documents that are two, three, four 2059 01:57:37.279 --> 01:57:40.239 or five thousand years old. We don't even know if 2060 01:57:40.279 --> 01:57:42.800 they were thinking the same way that we think. 2061 01:57:42.600 --> 01:57:45.680 That they They chances are they. Then there's this whole 2062 01:57:45.720 --> 01:57:50.600 idea that up to a certain point during the Roman Empire, 2063 01:57:51.800 --> 01:57:55.119 people didn't have what they would think of as a conscience, 2064 01:57:56.239 --> 01:57:59.720 and they believe that like Plato's damon, the idea of 2065 01:57:59.760 --> 01:58:04.840 this day moon was the beginning of this internal voice 2066 01:58:05.359 --> 01:58:10.279 basically starting to reason and and you know, say don't 2067 01:58:10.279 --> 01:58:14.319 touch the hot stove. You know, so you know, how 2068 01:58:14.319 --> 01:58:17.720 did people think and what caused and then you know, 2069 01:58:17.880 --> 01:58:21.279 all the storytelling affected the way that they thought that 2070 01:58:21.479 --> 01:58:25.399 William Burrows he says that the pyramids in South America 2071 01:58:26.039 --> 01:58:29.880 were attention stealers and basically when you were around them 2072 01:58:30.239 --> 01:58:33.319 that they would suck your attention out of your body, 2073 01:58:34.159 --> 01:58:37.880 and that the mind calendar itself was a form of 2074 01:58:37.880 --> 01:58:40.399 mind control in the fact that every day you would 2075 01:58:40.399 --> 01:58:43.600 wake up and the little symbols that you would have 2076 01:58:43.640 --> 01:58:46.039 each day would tell you what the day was about 2077 01:58:46.279 --> 01:58:48.640 and how to think about that day, so that all 2078 01:58:48.680 --> 01:58:52.199 the people thought in a similar manner, you know, long 2079 01:58:52.279 --> 01:58:56.399 before we have television or radio or you know, reading 2080 01:58:56.399 --> 01:58:56.840 and writing. 2081 01:58:56.880 --> 01:58:59.479 Potentially ancient mass hypnosis going on there. 2082 01:59:00.039 --> 01:59:04.239 Yeah, yeah, Burrows, he's a he's a chaos magician. 2083 01:59:04.439 --> 01:59:06.720 So okay, fair enough, fair enough. 2084 01:59:07.079 --> 01:59:10.520 I don't know if I would say necessarily that the conscience, 2085 01:59:10.520 --> 01:59:11.760 the internal dialogue. 2086 01:59:11.800 --> 01:59:13.439 I don't know when exactly that would have. 2087 01:59:13.439 --> 01:59:16.800 Started, because I mean, evolutionarily speaking, they'll say it started 2088 01:59:16.800 --> 01:59:20.600 when Homo sapien sapiens began around all this, But like 2089 01:59:20.600 --> 01:59:23.000 we're talking about looking at the ancient sources, at the 2090 01:59:23.039 --> 01:59:25.279 source itself, right, And I brought this up a few 2091 01:59:25.279 --> 01:59:28.000 times on the show. You look at the writings of 2092 01:59:28.000 --> 01:59:31.399 Marcus Aurelius, right the beginning of Stoicism and then and 2093 01:59:31.720 --> 01:59:34.600 for the record, that was a personal journal. He never 2094 01:59:34.640 --> 01:59:36.840 intended to get published at all. 2095 01:59:36.880 --> 01:59:38.640 He would be humiliated if. 2096 01:59:38.560 --> 01:59:40.439 He knew we were reading it right now, right, that 2097 01:59:40.520 --> 01:59:43.640 was his innermost thoughts. And when you read this, you 2098 01:59:43.680 --> 01:59:47.239 see that people have been peopling since the beginning of time. 2099 01:59:47.560 --> 01:59:47.760 Yeah. 2100 01:59:48.000 --> 01:59:50.199 Right, So the whole theory that maybe. 2101 01:59:50.000 --> 01:59:53.680 Conscious not consciousness, but having a conscience started at a 2102 01:59:53.680 --> 01:59:56.359 certain point. I see this because I mean, you look 2103 01:59:56.359 --> 02:00:00.399 at the ancient Spartan culture. It was good and noble 2104 02:00:00.479 --> 02:00:04.000 and righteous to go rape your slave population, murder them 2105 02:00:04.039 --> 02:00:04.520 once a year. 2106 02:00:04.560 --> 02:00:06.039 You're a good man for doing that. 2107 02:00:06.800 --> 02:00:10.520 To another civilization that would see that as barbarous, right, 2108 02:00:10.600 --> 02:00:13.039 And you look at the Aztecs, it is good and 2109 02:00:13.119 --> 02:00:15.600 righteous for you to sacrifice your first born to the 2110 02:00:15.680 --> 02:00:17.560 rain god to make the rains come this year. 2111 02:00:18.000 --> 02:00:19.119 Look at it same. 2112 02:00:18.920 --> 02:00:21.960 Time frame, another culture that's barbarous. So I don't know 2113 02:00:22.000 --> 02:00:25.319 if I would say that the conscious the innermost thoughts 2114 02:00:25.359 --> 02:00:28.000 started at a certain point. I will say that they 2115 02:00:28.760 --> 02:00:32.600 have been shifted or they've been based off of the 2116 02:00:32.640 --> 02:00:35.319 culture in the timeframe that somebody has found themselves in. 2117 02:00:35.520 --> 02:00:38.600 And it is very fascinating to look back at the 2118 02:00:38.680 --> 02:00:42.239 ancients and at these sources themselves, not somebody's interpretation, the 2119 02:00:42.279 --> 02:00:45.880 actual sources, to see they felt, what they thought, what 2120 02:00:45.920 --> 02:00:48.800 they were using these four practices with principles. 2121 02:00:49.159 --> 02:00:50.680 It all encompasses, you know. 2122 02:00:50.760 --> 02:00:53.520 The meanings have evolved. It seems exactly. 2123 02:00:53.600 --> 02:00:57.800 Yeah, like you want the first guy to have a 2124 02:00:57.880 --> 02:01:00.399 thought and write it down. That might be one of 2125 02:01:00.399 --> 02:01:04.199 the earliest two survived to today. But like he had teachers, 2126 02:01:04.239 --> 02:01:06.119 who had teachers, who had. 2127 02:01:06.359 --> 02:01:10.800 He learned from Socrates, I think, right, Plato so creats yeah. 2128 02:01:10.520 --> 02:01:13.000 Yeah, And I mean he had a teacher, and look 2129 02:01:13.039 --> 02:01:15.520 at the Buddha. He had a teacher, he had a Yoki, 2130 02:01:15.560 --> 02:01:18.239 he had a guru. That guru had a guy that 2131 02:01:18.319 --> 02:01:20.680 he looked to for enlightenment knowledge, and that goes all 2132 02:01:20.720 --> 02:01:23.199 the way back. So I mean, it's it's interesting to 2133 02:01:23.199 --> 02:01:26.079 see where we can kind of pinpoint the big milestones, 2134 02:01:26.119 --> 02:01:26.600 if you will. 2135 02:01:26.960 --> 02:01:31.800 And I think, you know, you have these intrinsic sacramental 2136 02:01:31.880 --> 02:01:36.720 religious functions that are sacred and are attuned to the 2137 02:01:36.760 --> 02:01:40.119 earth and potentially the movements of the heavens, and and 2138 02:01:40.199 --> 02:01:44.279 I think those there was a purest element that developed culturally, 2139 02:01:44.560 --> 02:01:47.079 you know. And then I think what you see is 2140 02:01:47.239 --> 02:01:52.239 any anytime something gains too much power that it's co 2141 02:01:52.279 --> 02:01:56.159 opted by the state and it becomes weaponized. It becomes 2142 02:01:56.239 --> 02:02:01.039 utilized as a power function. So you know, looking at 2143 02:02:01.439 --> 02:02:04.640 the like I said, the original Mithra coming out of 2144 02:02:04.680 --> 02:02:08.319 the Indo Aryan cultures of the Scythians in India, and 2145 02:02:08.359 --> 02:02:14.119 then comparing that to the Roman mythricism of Luciferian bull slay. 2146 02:02:14.680 --> 02:02:20.239 You know, the diametric difference is the two extremes of 2147 02:02:20.840 --> 02:02:25.840 the strip, you know, So it depends on where thing 2148 02:02:26.000 --> 02:02:29.960 is in time and at what point was it possibly 2149 02:02:30.000 --> 02:02:30.600 co opted. 2150 02:02:31.159 --> 02:02:37.199 Yeah, and yeah, and like bastardized, not so much bastardized, 2151 02:02:37.239 --> 02:02:40.079 but more so like inverted, like because you can take 2152 02:02:40.119 --> 02:02:42.199 information as a lot of like I know, like a 2153 02:02:42.199 --> 02:02:45.119 bunch of magicians and stuff like that. You can take 2154 02:02:45.199 --> 02:02:49.680 information and invert it and still almost like pull the 2155 02:02:49.800 --> 02:02:52.399 power from it in the same kind of way, which 2156 02:02:52.439 --> 02:02:55.479 is really strange. Like think about the pentagram upward or 2157 02:02:55.880 --> 02:03:00.439 or or right side up or downward, whatever, there still 2158 02:03:00.479 --> 02:03:03.640 seems to be some magic to be gained, whether it's 2159 02:03:03.680 --> 02:03:06.760 from the dark or the light in that sense esoterically speaking, 2160 02:03:06.920 --> 02:03:11.680 right right, right, Well, look, Robbie, this was awesome, dude. 2161 02:03:11.760 --> 02:03:14.600 I to be honest, we we kind of went into 2162 02:03:14.600 --> 02:03:18.199 this not really knowing what to expect, and you are 2163 02:03:18.239 --> 02:03:21.680 just full of these stories and a lot of this knowledge, 2164 02:03:21.680 --> 02:03:23.720 and so we appreciate you coming to hang out with us. 2165 02:03:23.760 --> 02:03:25.920 Man, I'm definitely full of it. 2166 02:03:26.439 --> 02:03:29.239 Now, are we all? What's that? 2167 02:03:29.359 --> 02:03:30.359 When does the book drop? 2168 02:03:31.079 --> 02:03:34.239 Oh? I sent the last chapter to the editor like 2169 02:03:34.560 --> 02:03:39.000 three days ago, because what happened was he had gone 2170 02:03:39.039 --> 02:03:41.239 through it a couple times. I think he read it 2171 02:03:41.279 --> 02:03:44.239 five times before he sent me a message and he 2172 02:03:44.279 --> 02:03:46.399 said he'd never read a book like this. He's been 2173 02:03:46.520 --> 02:03:49.079 editing books for thirty years, and he said he'd never 2174 02:03:49.079 --> 02:03:52.319 read a book like this before. But nonetheless, he said, 2175 02:03:52.560 --> 02:03:57.159 there's one part where I need to basically branch off 2176 02:03:57.279 --> 02:04:00.800 and go into Addis and a Donna, which I was 2177 02:04:00.840 --> 02:04:04.079 trying to kind of stay away from. But at the 2178 02:04:04.119 --> 02:04:06.680 same time, once I was into it, I saw how 2179 02:04:06.720 --> 02:04:10.640 relevant it was, and so I wrote a chapter on 2180 02:04:10.680 --> 02:04:13.840 Addison and Donnis and shot that off to him. And 2181 02:04:13.920 --> 02:04:17.520 I mean, we've got some work as far as a 2182 02:04:17.600 --> 02:04:21.279 synopsis has to be done. There's a few notes I 2183 02:04:21.319 --> 02:04:23.880 want to interlace in still, and then I'm working on 2184 02:04:24.039 --> 02:04:26.479 thirteen illustrations for it as well right now. 2185 02:04:26.720 --> 02:04:29.520 So we're still a little bit of ways away from 2186 02:04:29.560 --> 02:04:31.119 it being released to the pulp are we think? 2187 02:04:31.119 --> 02:04:34.279 In twenty twenty five or twenty six, you think. 2188 02:04:34.560 --> 02:04:37.399 I would like to get it done for maybe Christmas 2189 02:04:37.399 --> 02:04:41.039 release around time there, you know, but we are definitely 2190 02:04:41.039 --> 02:04:43.760 getting close. And then, you know, that's a whole other thing. 2191 02:04:43.840 --> 02:04:46.720 Once the text is fully edited and we have all 2192 02:04:46.720 --> 02:04:49.640 the illustrations and everything done, then it's a matter of 2193 02:04:50.199 --> 02:04:55.159 manufacture and what's the turntime based on paper availability and 2194 02:04:55.600 --> 02:04:57.800 you know, and then we have all these tariffs going on, 2195 02:04:58.479 --> 02:05:02.079 and what's that going to cost us in the long run, 2196 02:05:02.199 --> 02:05:05.760 hopefully less than the short run more. I don't know, 2197 02:05:06.680 --> 02:05:09.479 you can never trust in anything. It's it's you know, 2198 02:05:09.520 --> 02:05:12.560 you're walking on the waves of the sea basically. 2199 02:05:12.960 --> 02:05:15.920 Yeah, yeah, it definitely seems like that. Well look, I mean, 2200 02:05:15.960 --> 02:05:18.199 we would love to get you back on especially whenever 2201 02:05:18.239 --> 02:05:19.960 your book comes out, but I if that's going to 2202 02:05:20.000 --> 02:05:22.479 be a little while longer, we can definitely do it 2203 02:05:22.520 --> 02:05:25.199 again before that. Because this was a fascinating conversation. 2204 02:05:25.279 --> 02:05:28.199 Man, holler at me, man, I'm basically I'm around here 2205 02:05:28.399 --> 02:05:32.199 until mid June and then I take off and I'll 2206 02:05:32.199 --> 02:05:33.640 be back in September. 2207 02:05:34.319 --> 02:05:38.199 Okay, very well, all right, Well if you would, if 2208 02:05:38.239 --> 02:05:40.600 you don't mind, could you let all of our good 2209 02:05:40.600 --> 02:05:42.520 cult members know where they can find you, and all 2210 02:05:42.560 --> 02:05:43.239 your works. 2211 02:05:43.000 --> 02:05:46.479 Are Yeah, if you want to check out my artwork, 2212 02:05:47.399 --> 02:05:51.239 my metamind cast podcast, if you want to check out 2213 02:05:51.239 --> 02:05:53.840 my etsy, and I would encourage if you enjoy the 2214 02:05:53.840 --> 02:05:56.680 information and you want to give back, go check out 2215 02:05:56.680 --> 02:05:59.479 my etsy on my website and buy some art. 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