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Speaker 2: I'm now listening to soft Core History.

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Speaker 1: What is up? Welcome back to the Softcore History Patreon.

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I am your host for the week, Rob Fox, joined

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as always by Dan Rochester. This is one of I

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don't know how the episode's gonna go. You know it'll

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be good, but in terms of like going into it

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sitting the bar low, this is the most excited. No,

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this is the most excited for an episode I've been

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since The Prostitute Guidebook.

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Speaker 2: Really, and we're giving it to the fine folks here

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on Patreon. Yes, lucky them, lucky them.

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Speaker 1: Well, one reason I'm giving you to the fine folks

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in Patreon is because and I forget who did this,

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but give you give yourself flowers in the discord because

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someone in the discord is like, Rob, have you seen

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that website that ranked historical generals by winds above.

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Speaker 2: Replacement, the sabermetrics.

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Speaker 1: The sabermetrics for generals. They're like, have you seen it?

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And I was like, oh, my fucking god, Like do

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you even understand how like, Rob core that is?

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Speaker 2: So that's what you've been doing in the last week,

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just looking at this chart, ignoring your kids.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not not packing. I'm working babe, I gotta see

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you pack.

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Speaker 2: If Sola had a higher war then I don't know.

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Fucking you'll seees Grant.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll talk about Granteday. I didn't find Sola in here,

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although he might be so one one note. I wasn't

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able to get to well, hey, there's a lot of

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generals in this, but b they didn't make a list.

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They just made this graph where you have to like

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hover over it.

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Speaker 2: That's pretty sweet.

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Speaker 1: So it was everyone's really close. It was that's like

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most Yeah, they see the one up here.

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Speaker 2: Oh we have a major outlier.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about him because he's number one with a bullet.

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Speaker 2: But is he kind of a dark horse or is

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he a brand name brand name? This is a Is

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that Napoleon?

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Speaker 1: That would be Napoleon.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that's what I figured.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like he's babe, ruth at it in the war

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like just head and shoulders.

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Speaker 2: I'm surprised it's not Muhammad actually Napoleon's favorite.

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Speaker 1: I didn't find Muhammad on here because again you literally

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I was like, dude, why didn't you make a list?

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Like you literally have to go onto this and hover over.

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I found a ton. I found a bunch of really

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interesting ones, but uh, there's a lot. There are a

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shit ton of generals in here. But I want to

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shout out this website towards towards datascience dot com. Ethan

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Arscht wrote the article, did the did all the research

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for this? Go check it out. Go read the article

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and check out the graph. Just play around with it.

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It's fucking awesome. He did wins above replacement for historical

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general through all time. I mean, this is ancient history

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all the way through post World War two. And I

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could have looked at this for twelve hours.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, somebody that link, could you just want

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to like to kind of just browse it for the

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next two weeks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fucking great, dude. And the article where he

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breaks it down is great.

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Speaker 2: So I'm a big data boy too. Are you key

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for what? For golf? Okay?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 2: You are a big data golf the rabbit hole.

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Speaker 1: Which is funny because you shit on me for loving

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fangrafts and S and P plus.

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Speaker 2: I think the amount of teams.

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Speaker 1: Is just too vast for S and P plus.

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Speaker 2: There's too many like variables. Golf is a little bit

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I mean, it's one hundred and forty guys in the tournament. Right,

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the strokes gained and with kind of how they're trending. Well, golf,

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it's a little bit more predictable than say, I don't know,

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somebody's quarterback getting dinged up in the first play.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I was gonna say. Golf and baseball way

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less moving parts. There's like very specific actions with where

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one person does something and then another person does something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, where guys, especially on certain courses, they just

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show up every year. They could be in the worst

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form ever, but it's just like a comfy spot for to.

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Speaker 1: Get right well. In baseball too, you know you're in

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a slump, then you face a pitcher who looks like

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he's throwing beach balls to you. Yeah, for whatever reason,

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you love facing that picture.

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Speaker 2: You just mentally on this man. Also with a new

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set deck not intended kind of benefit. But I now

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have a headrest with the shelf.

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Speaker 2: It's pretty sweet.

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Speaker 1: My my hat was bumping this shit the other day.

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put all my weight on the shelf, but like a

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Speaker 1: Gives you a little rest.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm happy for you. Finally I can put my

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Speaker 1: You should upholster it. Just get a little cushion there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, or like one of the those pads you throw

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on a barbell. Yeah, that chicks do so they don't

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Speaker 1: You don't want to chick with a raw back.

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Speaker 2: Or we like to call it a tampon where I'm from,

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is it it's very unmanly to use the pad when

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he squad god or for hip thrust there you get

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to feel the iron going to your skin.

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Speaker 1: Just doesn't work the same otherwise. So I want to

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go into his methodology a little bit before we get

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into the generals and how they rank and stuff like that.

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So he scraped information for every battle he could find

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on Wikipedia because he said that was the best battle

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database he could find. And Wikipedia actually does good battle

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breakdown strength commanders, blah blah blah, terrain, total forces available

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to commanders, the outcome of the battle.

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Speaker 2: Wait, you're telling me Wikipedia is giving me good data.

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They're not calling all of these guys war criminals.

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Speaker 1: Well they probably all are. They all are?

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Fine, He separated the combatants forces into infantry, cavalry, artillery,

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air force, and navy, and then he could wait at

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general's numerical advantage or disadvantage compared to their adversary to

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better isolate the general's ability as a tactician. Now, one

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a strategic measure, so it doesn't it is purely on

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Speaker 2: Game management theory can only get you so far.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, so, like, for example, you know, there are coaches,

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college ball, coaches, and we're just going to do this

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because I don't care who are great at managing a team,

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but you don't want to call in your.

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Speaker 2: Play Listen, this information right here, this data is built

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for us to just make sports and knowlogy. It literally

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there's nothing else we can do. I'm sorry, yeah, but

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Speaker 1: You know, there's there's coaches you want running your team

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but not calling your plays right, And there's.

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Speaker 2: Coaches, and then there's play callers and then.

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Speaker 1: There yeah, so this is this is rating their play

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calling essentially. Now, and we'll get into where this has

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some deviance on generals who were definitely good generals but

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not great play callers.

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Speaker 2: The Dabo swingeys of the world.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, exactly, So he waited all this stuff. Uh

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he actually found that numbers alone had like a pretty

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small effect compared to other factors like terrain and technology.

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of an advantage as he thought it would be. And

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so he isolated each general's battle assigned to wins above

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replacement score to their performance in each battle. And the

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way he did that is actually really interesting too. What

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So for Napoleon for example, uh, he gained point four

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to nine wins above replacement for his victory one of

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his best victories, the Battle of Borodino.

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Speaker 1: French troops slightly outnumbered Russian troops in that battle. So

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a replacement in general in Napoleon's position would have a

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fifty one chance of victory.

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Speaker 2: Right, Are we accounting for strength to schedule as well?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 1: I think that gets a little put into the numbers

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and technology aspect of it that he waits in. You

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know what I mean, Because.

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Speaker 2: Like the generals for the g watt no offense, you know,

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we're going as guys throwing stones at.

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Speaker 1: Absolute FCS schedule. That's just that's like an SEC team

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playing only FCS through the year. But the problem is

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the season never ends. It's just another FCS school coming

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every week.

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Speaker 2: Every week and where nixating Bama.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. The only way it's the only way you

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beat that Bama team is if they have to play

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inn FCS school every day and eventually one FCS school

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Speaker 2: I think they would have to play multiple teams in

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Speaker 1: In a day, Yeah, he might be right, to be honest.

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Speaker 2: Like a king of the ring, We're not leaving the

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field until someone beats us. And they're probably gonna be

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like eight FCS teams before they lose. Yes, and simply

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the guys will just be too tired.

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Speaker 1: That that will be all it will be. Because their

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second team could just come in and play. They could

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play every other game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they got like one hundred dudes. Yeah, and just

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keep rotating. Yep.

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Speaker 1: So the wins of replacement assigns Napoleon one full win

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for his victory, but subtracts fifty one percent point five

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to one because a mid general would win too, so

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he gains point four to nine wins of replacement for

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that specific victory. Once it's weighted against what a replacement

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Speaker 2: How far back we go? And is Leonidas on this?

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Speaker 1: I didn't find Leonidas, but we were going into ancient history.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I was gonna be like, hmmm, I mean he lost,

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Speaker 1: Uh, you do get Yeah, even if you lose, you

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amount of loss, for how weighted against you the battle was, right,

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So losing Thermopylae not gonna be much of a ding

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Speaker 2: They simply had three hundred men. Rob Yeah, it's ten

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thou Yeah, that's not true. Thousand it sounds a million. Actually,

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that's right, that's right. It's a million verse and three

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hundred duds even to show up. It was two seventy seven,

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Speaker 1: Now you get a round up for that to seventy

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seven is what? How can you even say that? So

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Speaker 2: Of course there always is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Generals who fought a lot of battles tended to

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rank higher and wins above replacement, because war is a

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Speaker 2: Is that all the Brits in the colonial days.

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Speaker 1: Uh no, no, no, no, no, there's a lot of different people.

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lot of Civil War guys because the Civil War generals

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fought a ton of battles.

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Speaker 2: I figured the Cromwells of the world would just stack

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compile against the Irish.

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Speaker 1: I don't think those count as battles, Okay, I don't

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Speaker 2: Genosid.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Cromwell was on here. He had a positive

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Speaker 2: Okay, So Israeli generals right now, they don't compute, right.

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Speaker 1: So one of the highest ranking guys in wins of

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replacement was Mosha Dan, who was the commander of the

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Six Day War.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this ghoul is an eepatch.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying this to be anti Semitic.

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Speaker 2: No, he looks Nazish. This guy looks he looks like

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the doctors that would experiment on the Jewsy. This is

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one of the scariest.

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Speaker 1: Looking people I've ever seen him.

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Speaker 2: Let's throw up the photo. You're gonna have to send

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me that I will.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, this is horrifying.

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Speaker 2: Two.

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Speaker 1: One the other thing I noticed is generals in modern

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wars didn't get as much love because I think a

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the battles they fought or are more fluid, They weren't

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like the pitched battles you fought prior to the twentieth century,

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where it was like one, two, three days and it

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was like here, we're here, and this is the battle.

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Like the Battle of the Bulge, for example, in World

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War Two, took place across three countries, lasted a month, like,

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it's just not the same as Waterloo one day, two

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armies on the field, a true contest, right, exactly so,

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general's strategy always important, but I think I do think

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tactics on the general level kind of take a back seat.

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Strategy becomes more and more important, and tactics is sort

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of more uniform across the armies in general. It's not like, oh,

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this guy does not a command. So I think twentieth

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century generals largely get undervalued. In this tactical rating.

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Speaker 2: You gotta figure out who's good at adjustments, who's good

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at kind of altering from their original game plan? Yeah,

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but like or will they go down and you know,

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die swinging with the same stupid strategy and schemes.

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Speaker 1: Roberty elite style. I'm gonna fight like I'm Napoleon. Well

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it's fifty years later, maybe don't or anything.

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Speaker 2: In the Franco Prussian War.

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Speaker 1: Oh god, that's even worse. Well it's actually it's the

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same thing. It's the exact same thing.

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Speaker 2: It's way worse. They're just like, uh, we have gatling guns. Yeah,

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we're just gonna.

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Speaker 1: All the way up to World War One, there was

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a certain amount of like, oh, we're gonna fight this way,

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this classic way, and then eventually or.

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Speaker 2: No Franco Press War, they actually had machine guns.

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Speaker 1: Right, they had early they didn't have like the maxim

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like actual automatics like that were in the Spanish like

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the early the earliest versions. Yeah, I think it was

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still maybe crank crank it up style thing like that.

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Speaker 2: We should go back to cranks. There's just something satisfying.

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Speaker 1: But they did have bet that was that was one

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of the first wars with what you could consider like

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modern more modern rifles like breech loading.

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Speaker 2: In France. Maybe even keeps taking that ol.

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Speaker 1: Oh, they don't stop, they don't stop taking l's. But

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let's get into it. Let's get into these generals. I'm

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gonna give you the top couple, and then I'm just

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gonna give you have a lot of highlights. So just

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famous generals.

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Speaker 2: There's there's a couple generals, generals that get married. Top couple,

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that'd be.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure a few romans did married stuff

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with each other.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, or things that you wouldn't even do with

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your with your wife.

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Speaker 1: No, that's more of a more of a bro situation

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where as it should be.

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Speaker 2: So you gotta you can only do it with somebody

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you're incredibly close with, and that's not your wife.

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Speaker 1: It's no, it's never your wife. As I've tried to

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explain to her many times, as she's begged me to

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do those things to her, like, you're just not mind bro,

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my bud. Yeah, I'm a buddy.

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Speaker 2: I just feel obligated to have sex with you because

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you're my wife and you have to have kids. We're

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gonna keep pumping those out.

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Speaker 1: I tell her, I'm like, we already have three kids,

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we're done having kids.

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Speaker 2: There's no reason to have sex anymore. Yeah, you serve

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no other purpose. It's over, so like we can hang out.

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Speaker 1: Still, Yeah, we'll do you know, that's fine. I'll watch

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the summer. I turn pretty with you.

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Speaker 2: But but thinking of actually going inside you makes me

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kind of vomit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's disgusting. It's fine. She doesn't listen, especially not

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buying the paywall. Nope. So number one with a bullet,

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I've already said it Napoleon, and it's not even close.

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Speaker 2: I pointed it out. Yeah that's how obvious it was. Yeah,

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I was like, oh, yeah, that's Napoleon.

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Speaker 1: Now he has sixteen point seven.

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Speaker 2: To be fair, I know about like seven generals.

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Speaker 1: So we're hitting all the big ones. Not all of them,

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but we're hitting a lot of big ones. It was

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mostly guys. You're gonna know.

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Speaker 2: Actually, that should be a fun exercise. We should just

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go back and forth with generals until we stop.

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Speaker 1: Until we canil. We just feel like I win that game.

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Speaker 2: Probably crush me. You can finally get a win on

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the contest here.

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Speaker 1: So Napoleon fought forty three battles because he was general

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in technically like five wars. It's the Napoleonic Wars, not

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like the Civil War, the Revolutionary War, like he fought

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war after war after war. Forty three battles, by far

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the most amount of battles on THEE.

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Speaker 2: He wanted to get some.

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Speaker 1: He got a lot, and he had sixteen point seven

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wins above replacement.

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Speaker 2: I think he just wanted to kind of stay away

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from his lady, his toothless, disease ridden lady. Yeah, he

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loved her, but from afar. Yeah, Josephine, I can't really

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stand more than a weekend with you yet. There's some

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benefits to long distance relationships.

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Speaker 1: One hundred percent. I mean, she was banging other dudes.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, but all long distance relationships, she's probably banging

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other dudes. But once you actually see each other for

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three four days max passion, you're getting after it like rabbits, yep.

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Speaker 1: And then you just get to leave again, and.

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Speaker 2: Then you get to live your own life. You have

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to do whatever you want. They might call. You have to,

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you know, have some forty five minute conversation on the

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phone where you vague interest in their day to day lives.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, totally.

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Speaker 2: But you can do other things. You watch TV, you

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can kind of play video games and yeah, like you said,

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just kind of cool. Yeah that's sweet. Oh, she's such

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a bitch.

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Speaker 1: That's literally about to say, yeah, dude, she sucks. Just

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don't even worry about her.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like you deserve better, Like, have you thought about

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maybe getting another job?

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Speaker 1: I fucking hate all phone calls, but I especially hate

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phone calls with a significant.

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Speaker 2: Other from far, far place away.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like, what do you want? Yeah, I'm here.

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I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Sorry I didn't check in, just laying down.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what's going on? Then? Now with my wife? And like,

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show me the kids? Like FaceTime me the kids.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to talk to you. We have nothing

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to talk about. That's why old people. Have you see

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them at like a cracker barrel or any fine dining establishment,

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They don't talk to one another. Sixty seven year old couples.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they don't even have phones to fuck around with.

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By the time we're old.

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Speaker 2: They're just kind of staring off into the abyss.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a it's a thousand yard stare. Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: That's why I still have no problem with Bill Belichick

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dating somebody fifty years younger than him. He's keeping himself young,

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keeping himself young. People are like, what are you gonna

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talk about if he had a seventy year old wife,

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an age appropriate wife, they're not talking anyway. Maybe she

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excites him with something.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he is actually talking to her. That's the difference.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't talk much in general, but like, yeah, getting yeah,

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that sounds pretty good. She has a bitch. I agree, Yeah, yeah,

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she Uh, you can do it better.

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Speaker 1: Huh, you are better friends. These are better friends than that.

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Speaker 2: We're uh, we're on with Catherine.

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Speaker 1: So here's how big of a lead Napoleon has. Do

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you want to guess who's in second place? It's another

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big boy, as big as you could think of.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I think it's gonna be the way you kind

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of said it and looked at me. It's gonna be

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one of my boys.

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Speaker 1: No, not necessarily, okay.

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Speaker 2: So it's not Hannibal.

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Speaker 1: He ranks high, but it's not Hannibal right era, right era.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so probably over Roman m hm. And let's go

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with Julius Caesar.

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Speaker 1: Yep, Julius Caesar comes in second place on the winds

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above replacement.

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Speaker 2: Nine. That's our conversation with Alex. I think we need

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to put more respect on Julius Caesar. We kind of

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hated on him, and we're leading him to hate. Julius

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Caesar with us tried, he just he would not take.

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Speaker 1: Try to lead the witness. He wouldn't follow.

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Speaker 2: He wanted He's like, no, I can't do it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was that dope because everyone else at the

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time was a dickhead too. Yeah, and it makes sense.

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That's fine.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Julius Caesar comes in nine wins above replacement behind Napoleon,

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like there is no one close to Napoleon. Now, Napoleon

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bit of a stat compiler forty three battles. Caesar gets

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his seven point three winsby replacement in seventeen battles.

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Speaker 2: Brightest flames, burn out the fastest.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean both of them ended their careers at

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roughly the same time.

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Speaker 2: Well technically, but like you said, it's it's all about

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actual games played.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Napoleon played a lot more.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: Napoleon, to his credit, part of it is stack compiling.

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But part of it with Napoleon is he sought battle

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like he would He went after people like Paton, like Grant,

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like he hit people he wanted to keep hitting. So

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with Napoleon it's kind of stack compiling, but it's kind

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of his strategy was to hit, hit, hit, So in

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a way, I don't consider it stack compiling just because

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his strategy was to just bleed the other at the.

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Speaker 2: Other side as much as possible, fucking foot on the neck.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and you got to respect that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't want to. You don't want to get

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into like a conservative prevent defense.

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Speaker 1: No, nope, keep blitzon, keep keep attacking. Number three is

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actually Napoleon's greatest adversary.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so the Englishman.

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Speaker 1: Yes, General Wellington, Arthur Wesley, the fame, the man who

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beat him at Waterloo.

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Speaker 2: Did he create the beef wellingon that might be named

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after him? I don't know it's named it's clearly named

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after him, but did he prefer like did they could

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they make beef wellingon? Then?

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Speaker 1: What is the beef Wellington named after?

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Speaker 2: And it's also it's like just a deep fried steak.

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Speaker 1: Is indeed named after Arthur Wesley, the Duke of Wellington.

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Speaker 2: That's what it is. It's just like a deep fried steak.

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Speaker 1: No, it's a you bake it, but it's got pastry

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crust around it.

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Speaker 2: That's very pastry crust.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's got mushrooms in it too. It's

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like pastry crust mushrooms.

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Speaker 2: Like never actually had it.

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Speaker 1: It's good, it's delicious, Yeah, but you can't.

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Speaker 2: Can you fry it? I feel like that's something you

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can fry. You could little crispy, you could fry it,

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little crispy, kind of crouissant around it.

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Speaker 1: You pan fry it. Yeah, you could do that. They

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think it's it's uh named for for the Duke of

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Wellington after his victory at Waterloo, which was sort of

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like the end of a that was like VJ Day

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for the British. He has seven point one wins of replacement,

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not far behind Caesar eighteen battles. Legit. General people don't

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know this as much. They almost they only think about

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Wellington at Waterloo. But before Waterloo, Wellington was absolutely fucking

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the French up in Spain. He was kind of like

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on the undercard, just moving up, moving up, and then

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took command of the army. He was kind of the

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Grant of England. Yeah, like in this in a smaller theater,

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just winning, winning, winning, winning, winning, and then gets promoted to.

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00:23:48,839 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 2: The top dog and takes down the goat. Yep, yep.

473
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,880
Speaker 1: Fourth on this list is a guy I never heard of,

474
00:23:57,279 --> 00:24:00,839
but I thought he was worth mentioning that the Shinjin

475
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,880
in Africa that was that was my Japanese accent.

476
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, so he was like a World War two nope,

477
00:24:11,279 --> 00:24:19,839
or a Russo Japanese war No, okay, Samurai ah now

478
00:24:20,079 --> 00:24:24,599
fifteen hundreds Japan feudal Japan yep, known as the Tiger

479
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,359
of Kai. Was he a part of like the showgun stuff?

480
00:24:29,079 --> 00:24:30,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, to some extent. I think I looked him up

481
00:24:30,839 --> 00:24:32,799
a little bit. He just tore this guy just tore

482
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:34,599
up Japan in the fifteen hundreds basically.

483
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,759
Speaker 2: Oh man, I'm sprouser. Even on the list, there's so

484
00:24:38,799 --> 00:24:41,440
many like Chinese warlords and Japanese war lords.

485
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,160
Speaker 1: There were a lot of names that I had no

486
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,559
idea about that I just skipped.

487
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 2: It was.

488
00:24:49,079 --> 00:24:52,039
Speaker 1: It was what it was. But yeah, he has an

489
00:24:52,079 --> 00:24:55,359
even six war just fucking up feudal.

490
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 2: Japan, just cutting everyone in half. Yeah.

491
00:24:58,599 --> 00:25:00,920
Speaker 1: Now again, though, I I wonder.

492
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:05,559
Speaker 2: Who do you play Paul? Well, he might have had

493
00:25:05,599 --> 00:25:11,000
to fight sub Zero from Mortal Kombat. Lore is this Scorpion?

494
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:12,680
Is this the man that plays Scorpion?

495
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll give it to him, Okay, call him Scorpion.

496
00:25:19,599 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 2: That just makes it easier in my head. Yeah, that's fine.

497
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,759
Speaker 1: But he ranks above Hannibal who and I don't think

498
00:25:25,759 --> 00:25:29,000
that's fair because I don't think he played as tough

499
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:30,599
of a schedule as Hannibal.

500
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 2: Hannibal had a really tough schedule, but he didn't really close.

501
00:25:33,319 --> 00:25:38,640
Speaker 1: He didn't close, and he made egregious tactical airs.

502
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, like trying to march elephants through mountains.

503
00:25:41,599 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 1: I mean he still won battles after that, but yeah,

504
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,319
but I mean, come on, we got to dock him

505
00:25:46,319 --> 00:25:50,200
some points. Yeah, but Hannibal comes in at five point

506
00:25:50,319 --> 00:25:53,279
four to eight wins above replacement with seventeen battles. He's

507
00:25:53,319 --> 00:25:57,880
a top ten general all time, should be I think

508
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,920
well deserved. I think he's probably better than shin Jen,

509
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,880
even though this stuff is weighted to take into account

510
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:04,880
all these different things.

511
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, more of his decision making off the battlefield is

512
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:09,119
what really gets handled.

513
00:26:09,279 --> 00:26:10,880
Speaker 1: Strategic. That's the thing.

514
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 2: Marching through just the swamps and it's just poop filled

515
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,559
water because all of his soldiers are just shitting themselves.

516
00:26:17,599 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 1: You can call plays, but you can't run a team.

517
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:26,319
Speaker 2: Can't kind of manage the locker room. Yeah, he's uh,

518
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,799
Terry Francona at the Red Sox. They're all eating just

519
00:26:29,519 --> 00:26:32,079
you know, fried chicken and drinking beers before games. Yeah,

520
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,839
or maybe like a Dan Mullen playing video games. Yeah,

521
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:36,720
remember that that whole thing with the red they.

522
00:26:36,599 --> 00:26:38,079
Speaker 1: Won like two World series doing it.

523
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 2: Just chased out Terry Francona because he let his guys

524
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:42,480
just drink beers before the game.

525
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, they were saying, like, if you weren't pitching

526
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:46,759
that day, you were getting fucked up in the dugout.

527
00:26:46,759 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 2: I had to.

528
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 1: Which why not?

529
00:26:49,599 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, but oh no, I'm just gonna be slightly buzzed

530
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,440
when I'm my number. My number is not called. I

531
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,400
have no responsibility, nothing to do today. I have to

532
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:04,880
sit here and till midnight. This ain't no hobby.

533
00:27:05,519 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: I just love that they'd get drunk on the job

534
00:27:08,839 --> 00:27:11,039
and I and I always I will always respect it.

535
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,759
I think Hannibal underrated. If if if Shinjin is at six,

536
00:27:15,799 --> 00:27:17,920
I think Hannibal's a little underrated here, but fair enough.

537
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:23,279
Now we're going to get into generals who we just know.

538
00:27:24,039 --> 00:27:29,759
Speaker 2: Okay, you're like, I'm skipping anyone from Russia, anyone from India.

539
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:31,599
Speaker 1: Well, I mean we got a Russian in here. He's

540
00:27:31,599 --> 00:27:36,599
coming up soon. But first up, Ulysses s Grant, my

541
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,519
guy ranked really high.

542
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,039
Speaker 2: The man the greatest American ever lived.

543
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: Arguably top five American, unquestionably owned a slave, but not

544
00:27:47,279 --> 00:27:47,960
too many.

545
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 2: Freedom He freedom like immediately, Yeah, I know.

546
00:27:50,799 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 1: He's like, well, it's always just funny to me that

547
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,640
he tried, because I don't I think he didn't want

548
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,920
to be impolite to his father in law, for it

549
00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,559
was a gift. It was a wedding gift, and that

550
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,000
he goes like, oh my god, I.

551
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 2: Can't do this, be really nice, and we're gonna let

552
00:28:05,039 --> 00:28:07,359
this kind of go on for a slight bit until

553
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:07,920
he died.

554
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 1: He's just like, whatever the Civil War era of googling,

555
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,799
when is it edita, when is it good etiquette to

556
00:28:15,799 --> 00:28:17,559
free a slave that was a gift to you, like

557
00:28:17,559 --> 00:28:19,839
in your father in law. Yeah, it's like it's bad etiquette.

558
00:28:19,839 --> 00:28:22,119
Free him immediately, Like how many days do I have

559
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:22,799
to keep this one?

560
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 2: Insult the man? Yeah, I clearly don't agree with them,

561
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,319
but listen, man, you can just you can just hang

562
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:29,599
out rent free.

563
00:28:29,799 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: That's what happened. Yeah, he was like after he tried,

564
00:28:32,759 --> 00:28:34,480
and then he was like, Okay, I'm gonna free you.

565
00:28:34,559 --> 00:28:36,559
I gotta get your but I gotta get your papers

566
00:28:36,559 --> 00:28:37,960
in order I gotta go to the court. It's gonna

567
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:42,599
take a little while. So just hang just his buddy, Yeah,

568
00:28:42,759 --> 00:28:45,720
just you can just hang man. I'm sure that slave

569
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,720
was like the best roommate ever at that point.

570
00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 2: Oh, he isn't going to act up at all. No,

571
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,799
you don't want grant, you know, second guests in his decision.

572
00:28:54,839 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: Like imagine if you live with your roommate and your

573
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,720
roommate won the lottery, like like the power ball, like

574
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,880
allion dollars, and he's like, dude, you're my bro. I'm

575
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,880
giving you fucking twenty mili out of this. Like, I

576
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,119
love you, man, but I obviously I wait for the

577
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:08,839
money to come.

578
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,759
Speaker 2: It's actually hit. Yeah, yeah, it might be a month

579
00:29:10,839 --> 00:29:11,119
or two.

580
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: And you how are you acting? Dishes done every night,

581
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:21,359
vacuuming the apartment?

582
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean if our podcast blows up from one

583
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:29,200
of us somehow becoming incredibly famous, Yeah, like say a

584
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:33,079
Shane Gillis type, dude, I will get on my knees

585
00:29:33,079 --> 00:29:36,160
for you, buddy. If you got SNL. I think it's possible.

586
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,119
Now Cam Patterson got SNL. Cam Patterson's not very funny.

587
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,839
Speaker 1: That is crazy. Yeah, I've never seen a stand up.

588
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,079
Speaker 2: But that is sometimes he just goes on stage without jokes.

589
00:29:46,839 --> 00:29:49,599
Speaker 1: That sounds like a stand up comic. Pretty sweet, sounds

590
00:29:49,599 --> 00:29:51,960
like a stand up in Austin did.

591
00:29:51,839 --> 00:29:56,559
Speaker 2: The podcast and the comedy wars. We're not a part

592
00:29:56,599 --> 00:29:58,160
of it. I want to be a part of it.

593
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,839
We gotta start beef. We should start beef with people.

594
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,799
That's how we get our name in the headlines.

595
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, two podcasters. If you get Austin, read about it

596
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:09,799
because your life sucks.

597
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 2: There's just nothing cooler than podcast beef. Nothing.

598
00:30:15,519 --> 00:30:18,119
Speaker 1: I saw Tony Hinchcliff talking shit on like Anthony Jeselnik

599
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:19,880
the other day and I was like, boy, two people

600
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:21,119
I just hate so much.

601
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 2: Also, Jessel Nicks can just run circles around Henecliff as

602
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,559
a as an actual stand up for sure.

603
00:30:27,599 --> 00:30:29,279
Speaker 1: But I don't even like Jeselnic, even though I do

604
00:30:29,319 --> 00:30:30,160
think he's much better.

605
00:30:30,319 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I'm in the same camp. Yeah, I

606
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,440
respect what his art and he is a good stand

607
00:30:35,519 --> 00:30:38,359
up comedian, but man, he is kind of a tool.

608
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: He oh as a person, He's like, I get served

609
00:30:42,759 --> 00:30:44,599
it reels a lot of him on his podcast talking

610
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,720
about comedy and stuff like that, and I'm just like

611
00:30:47,119 --> 00:30:49,559
you are insufferable?

612
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:54,079
Speaker 2: Do we have to claim Austin though? If we somehow

613
00:30:54,079 --> 00:30:55,880
got involved in the comedy.

614
00:30:55,519 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: Wars, No, I'm telling people from Saint Louis, we could

615
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,200
be the Philly podcast too. I'm I'm just saying, like,

616
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:02,920
I'm not giving this city any shine.

617
00:31:03,559 --> 00:31:05,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got to pull away from it. Even though

618
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,160
it's I've said it on the discord. It's the longest

619
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,000
I've lived anywhere in my adult.

620
00:31:09,799 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: Life by a mile, oh not even close.

621
00:31:12,759 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 2: So I feel like I need and people start talking

622
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,119
about Austin, I kind of get defensive.

623
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, depends on who's doing it.

624
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 2: I don't like it either, but I don't think you

625
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,960
can say it. Yeah I did my time. I served

626
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,839
a decade here. Yeah, you shut up about it.

627
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: That's for me.

628
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:27,599
Speaker 2: I get the bitch.

629
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,119
Speaker 1: It's like a family thing, Like you don't call my

630
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:35,640
sister a whore. Only I called my sister a yeah. Yeah,

631
00:31:35,319 --> 00:31:40,960
uh oh sorry. Grant sixteen battles five point zero sixty

632
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:45,400
three wins above replacement ranks really high on the list.

633
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,319
I actually thought sixteen battles was a little low. It

634
00:31:49,319 --> 00:31:51,400
feels like he fought more, but at the end of

635
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,240
the Civil War, the battles were really extended, like the

636
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,319
Battle of Petersburg at the end of the Civil War.

637
00:31:55,359 --> 00:31:57,079
That it became more of a World War One scenario

638
00:31:57,079 --> 00:32:00,799
where battles would last a long time, or like even

639
00:32:00,839 --> 00:32:03,720
Vicksburg lasted a long time because he was doing sieges

640
00:32:03,759 --> 00:32:06,799
and shit like that. So it wasn't necessarily like Shiloh,

641
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,440
which he also won, but that was like a two

642
00:32:08,519 --> 00:32:09,200
day engagement.

643
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 2: Oh, we should do a miacoppa for the Mongolian episode.

644
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,480
Apparently they had Chinese engineers. Oh yeah, they were pretty

645
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,079
good at taking down medieval castle.

646
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: God just sitting in a medieval castle and all these

647
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,279
alien looking motherfuckers. They're just like building tools.

648
00:32:26,039 --> 00:32:29,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, people, you've clearly looked wildly different than you.

649
00:32:29,519 --> 00:32:32,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, building building machines you've never heard of.

650
00:32:34,319 --> 00:32:37,759
Speaker 2: The Aliens might have actually just helped the Mongolians. It's

651
00:32:37,799 --> 00:32:41,640
the only explanation for the weather rocks. Yeah, the weather

652
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,720
Rock also just their dominance for a short period, and

653
00:32:45,759 --> 00:32:47,079
then maybe the Aliens just left.

654
00:32:47,319 --> 00:32:51,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, they just gave him some tech got out of there.

655
00:32:52,319 --> 00:32:55,079
Next up is Russian general from World War Two. I

656
00:32:55,079 --> 00:32:57,440
think this is the highest rated World War two general.

657
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 2: Is it? Uh, man, I'm blank and lone's name he's

658
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:09,359
in Death of Stalin. Zukov sounds vaguely familiar, but I

659
00:33:09,359 --> 00:33:11,160
mean you could say any Russian names fair enough.

660
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: That's the guy, Georgia Zukov. He was the main Russian

661
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:15,440
general in World War Two.

662
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 2: Was he a player in the mix after Stalin dies?

663
00:33:20,799 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: I think so?

664
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,039
Speaker 2: Okay, because he was h hold On.

665
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,079
Speaker 1: Zuka in Death of Stone. Yes, that's who Jason Isaac's plays.

666
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 2: Okay, that's that's what I thought. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so

667
00:33:32,279 --> 00:33:35,359
he was Jason Isaac's the man. Yeah, he loved that guy.

668
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: He fucking rocks. So Zukov was like the he was

669
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,519
like a combination of Eisenhower and Patten for the Russians,

670
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:42,519
is a good way to put him.

671
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,359
Speaker 2: Like pretty sweet?

672
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:49,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, like the most decorated, hard ass general. Uh four

673
00:33:49,359 --> 00:33:52,240
point five nine six wins by replacement by far, the

674
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,079
most World War Two. He only has ten battles, but

675
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:59,880
I feel like he like the Eastern Front was just

676
00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:03,599
one giant battle that lasted four years kind of yeah,

677
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:08,280
like it was like constant contact. Like that's the difference between.

678
00:34:08,119 --> 00:34:10,760
Speaker 2: I'm sure a lot of the Eastern European listeners we

679
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,760
have would see that as completely ignorant and disrespectful on

680
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,920
our part. What just calling it one long battle.

681
00:34:18,519 --> 00:34:20,599
Speaker 1: It's just the thing there's they're always in contact, they're

682
00:34:20,599 --> 00:34:23,559
always attacking, obviously, like Stalingrad was its own thing.

683
00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:25,760
Speaker 2: And just admit, we don't care.

684
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: I don't care that.

685
00:34:26,519 --> 00:34:27,199
Speaker 2: We just don't care.

686
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: No, I don't.

687
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 2: Uh, We're not gonna romanticize your communist bullshit.

688
00:34:33,599 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: And by the way, Zukov might actually be the most efficient.

689
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,599
He comes in wins above replacement per battle.

690
00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:46,760
Speaker 2: I mean he's crushing Nazis, so that's a that's.

691
00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:51,079
Speaker 1: A good dub, like ripping spines out, like absolutely.

692
00:34:50,599 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 2: Destroys responsible for the narrative now that the Russians won

693
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:54,960
World War two.

694
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is absolute bullshit. I tweeted the other day

695
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,199
and it didn't do well, which I was pissed about.

696
00:35:00,559 --> 00:35:04,679
Speaker 3: It was like Putin's G the everything app X, Yeah,

697
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,639
Putin G and the other people that were there celebrating

698
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:13,239
victory Day in China, so like World War two victory Day, Yeah,

699
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,519
and I was I just quote tweeted the like picture

700
00:35:15,519 --> 00:35:17,280
of it, and I was like, oh, that's kind of cool.

701
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: They all came together to celebrate an American accomplishment.

702
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 2: Zero real sweets yep, zeros Yep.

703
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,039
Speaker 1: That was all us, baby, that was all us.

704
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,599
Speaker 2: Well, that just kind of confirms that Twitter at this

705
00:35:30,679 --> 00:35:32,760
point is just Russian bots.

706
00:35:33,119 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 1: And weirdly like Pakistani and Indian bots.

707
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:40,519
Speaker 2: That's not weird, they're they're kind of running the Internet

708
00:35:40,599 --> 00:35:40,960
right now.

709
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:45,079
Speaker 1: They it's so fucked. But he comes in at point

710
00:35:45,079 --> 00:35:49,000
four to six war per battle. Napoleon's only point three eight.

711
00:35:51,079 --> 00:35:54,119
Speaker 2: Oh damn, Napoleon overrated, a little bit.

712
00:35:54,039 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 1: Of a stack compiler, also lost more battles than Zukov did.

713
00:35:58,280 --> 00:35:59,760
Speaker 2: How many thous did Zukov lose?

714
00:36:00,119 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 1: Uh, let's check, let's check on on Zukov here, I

715
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,320
gotta find him on the fuck.

716
00:36:04,159 --> 00:36:07,639
Speaker 2: And also can we trust Soviet Russia data?

717
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:09,159
Speaker 3: Uh?

718
00:36:09,199 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 2: You know this is like, you know, who's probably the

719
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:19,000
greatest general is a North Korean from the information?

720
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's absolutely yeah, that's accurate.

721
00:36:21,559 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 2: Kim Jong un actually has the largest war for any general.

722
00:36:26,159 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: Three hundred yeah, three hundred wins by replacement.

723
00:36:30,199 --> 00:36:32,079
Speaker 2: And he did so by not having to actually go

724
00:36:32,119 --> 00:36:32,440
to war.

725
00:36:34,119 --> 00:36:35,280
Speaker 1: That's the best general of all.

726
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,639
Speaker 2: It's just firing a bunch of nukes into the ocean.

727
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,679
Speaker 1: So Zukov never lost a battle ten oh to oh.

728
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,119
Speaker 2: Oh, then put him up there, dude, put them on

729
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:46,000
Mount rushmore.

730
00:36:46,119 --> 00:36:51,039
Speaker 1: Right, Napoleon. How many battles a Napoleon lose? Let's see, well,

731
00:36:51,079 --> 00:36:54,800
all right, let's give some credit to Napoleon here on

732
00:36:54,880 --> 00:37:00,800
his record thirty eight and five. So Waterloo, he lost,

733
00:37:01,639 --> 00:37:05,360
the Battle of aspern Elsling, the Battle of Kresnoir.

734
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,559
Speaker 2: Obviously going into Russia.

735
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:12,039
Speaker 1: The Battle of Berezena. So in Russia he was winning

736
00:37:12,039 --> 00:37:15,679
most of the battles. Battle of Leipzig is the one

737
00:37:15,679 --> 00:37:18,079
he lost in Russia, I believe, or to the Russians.

738
00:37:18,599 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 2: Could be wrong about that, but I just imagine he

739
00:37:20,519 --> 00:37:23,639
lost since the old saying is never go to Russia

740
00:37:23,679 --> 00:37:24,159
during the winter.

741
00:37:24,519 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that was a strategic mistake. On the battlefield,

742
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:29,039
he wasn't doing too bad.

743
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,639
Speaker 2: It seems like a major part of the model, though,

744
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,159
is the strategic.

745
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: Is his only tactical acumen? Okay, strategic, you'd have to

746
00:37:38,039 --> 00:37:39,239
do a different one for it. I don't even know

747
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:39,920
how you would do it.

748
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,199
Speaker 2: I think they should kind of combine it.

749
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: I agree to be kind of a.

750
00:37:46,119 --> 00:37:47,679
Speaker 2: Full representation of who they are.

751
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,159
Speaker 1: This is not the end all be all. I agree

752
00:37:50,199 --> 00:37:56,519
with that. Alexander the Great clocking in at four point

753
00:37:56,559 --> 00:38:01,400
three seven six wins above replacement, He is arguably the

754
00:38:01,519 --> 00:38:04,800
great because he has the highest wins above replacement per

755
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,199
battle at point four to eight on the whole graph.

756
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:13,119
Speaker 2: I think he also just has the largest variety of wins.

757
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,840
What do you mean, just people he battled, he was

758
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:16,519
going all over.

759
00:38:16,599 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and he wins sieges, He wins pitched battles.

760
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,079
He wins, can do it all. Yeah, he wons a

761
00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:27,639
five tool player. He only fought nine battles, won them all.

762
00:38:27,639 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 2: On nine different like geographical series.

763
00:38:32,159 --> 00:38:35,280
Speaker 1: Just everywhere. He literally built land to fight a battle

764
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,679
in Sardis, I think. But yeah, he he is the highest.

765
00:38:41,079 --> 00:38:45,320
He's the most efficient general on the list. I believe Patton.

766
00:38:46,679 --> 00:38:48,639
And this is where I think we underrate World War

767
00:38:48,679 --> 00:38:51,920
two generals comes in at a measly point nine wins

768
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:53,320
above replacement for his career.

769
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:58,039
Speaker 2: We you say we overrated under it under rate. I

770
00:38:58,119 --> 00:38:59,000
think we overrat him.

771
00:38:59,079 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: Huh, because according to this we overrate Patton. Yeah, zero

772
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,719
point nine doesn't even get to a full win above replacement.

773
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like anybody could have done this, any.

774
00:39:09,039 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 1: Lug he's a plug and play Patton is essentially a

775
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:14,559
replacement level general in this model.

776
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like, all right, get another catcher who cares.

777
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 1: It's like a running back.

778
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, just plug him in. Never pay a running

779
00:39:24,119 --> 00:39:26,880
back more than minimum wage. Never pay a World War

780
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:27,400
two general.

781
00:39:28,599 --> 00:39:31,519
Speaker 1: There are a ton of generals from the Civil War

782
00:39:31,559 --> 00:39:33,719
on this list because they fought a ton of battles.

783
00:39:34,639 --> 00:39:37,920
Their rankings are kind of fascinating. Talked about Grant, He's

784
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:38,960
a top ten general.

785
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,599
Speaker 2: Do we have we haven't gotten to this. Do we

786
00:39:41,639 --> 00:39:45,199
have terrible generals on this list? Yes, all the way

787
00:39:45,199 --> 00:39:47,079
to like the left, yep and bottom.

788
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,280
Speaker 1: We'll get to we'll get to We'll get to some.

789
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,639
There's a really funny one. There's a really funny one.

790
00:39:53,119 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 2: I was thinking kind of just Mexican American War.

791
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,519
Speaker 1: Winfield Scott for the Americans had like two plus wins

792
00:39:59,559 --> 00:40:02,280
ab overplay and he was a general in both eighteen

793
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:06,039
twelve A in the Mexican War, and yeah, he did well.

794
00:40:06,199 --> 00:40:08,079
I couldn't find Zachary Taylor, but I assume he.

795
00:40:08,199 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 2: I wasn't thinking American.

796
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,199
Speaker 1: Oh you wanted to see the Mexicans. There's a lot

797
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:13,400
of Spanish names on here.

798
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,519
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know who.

799
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,039
Speaker 1: It doesn't give their nationality, like I just had to

800
00:40:18,079 --> 00:40:23,880
know their nationality from looking at the name. Yeah, So

801
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:29,559
let's talk about Lee. Obviously, Grant's opponent.

802
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:35,760
Speaker 2: Did not farewell. Really crooked media.

803
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:42,199
Speaker 1: Fucking libs, fucking liberal bath. Lee fought the second most

804
00:40:42,199 --> 00:40:47,760
battles on this list, behind Napoleon twenty seven battles.

805
00:40:48,679 --> 00:40:50,159
Speaker 2: It's too many battles.

806
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 1: Clocks in at negative one point nine wins above replacement.

807
00:40:54,840 --> 00:41:03,000
Lee's record was eight wins, thirteen losses, and six.

808
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 2: Draws thirteen ols. He took thirteen ols.

809
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 1: This is your goat, right, yeah, thirteen els. He takes

810
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,000
a lot, he doesn't. I mean, he wins big battles,

811
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:20,880
like he wins Fredericksburg and Chancellorsville, but people forget he

812
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,079
loses it a lot of other places. This counts Antietam

813
00:41:24,119 --> 00:41:27,519
as a loss, but he loses it, you know, Beaver Creek, Dam,

814
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,480
Oak Grove, and then once Grant gets in there, it's

815
00:41:30,519 --> 00:41:32,320
over Chaffin's Farm, Cold Harbor.

816
00:41:32,559 --> 00:41:36,079
Speaker 2: He was like that Tom Herman season at Houston where

817
00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:39,559
they're knocking off Louisville. They're knocking off the big names. Yeah,

818
00:41:39,679 --> 00:41:44,280
but then Navy catches him.

819
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,599
Speaker 1: In a way. It was Navy that caught the Confederacy,

820
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:48,400
maybe really caught the Confederacy.

821
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,599
Speaker 2: Their submarines couldn't do anything.

822
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:56,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, if only the technology had been there. But yeah,

823
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,840
Lee lost more battles than he won. People forget this

824
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:06,920
because he had admittedly humongous victories at Second Bowl Run, Chancellorsville, Fredericksburg,

825
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:11,239
but he had a losing record in the war, lost

826
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,400
the war negative wins above replacement on this list. However,

827
00:42:15,679 --> 00:42:17,280
not all Confederates.

828
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 2: Fared that battlely Stonewall Jackson.

829
00:42:20,639 --> 00:42:24,199
Speaker 1: Stonewall Jackson two point eight wins above replacement.

830
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,559
Speaker 2: Until I mean, did it factor in him just taking

831
00:42:27,559 --> 00:42:29,760
a goddamn cannonball or whatever?

832
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,519
Speaker 1: He gets a bullet, his bullet, Yeah, but from his

833
00:42:32,559 --> 00:42:33,360
own Dudes.

834
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 2: Why do I think he just got to I thought

835
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,599
he had taken out by Oh so friendly fire took

836
00:42:37,639 --> 00:42:42,880
out Stonewall Jackson. Yeah, yeah, dude, immediately disqualified. That's about

837
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:44,559
general Your men took you out.

838
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,119
Speaker 1: You want to say something about Pat Tillman.

839
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of. He wasn't in general. Yeah, he wasn't

840
00:42:50,639 --> 00:42:51,159
in charge.

841
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 1: It was it was Stonewall Jackson's fault. Too. He was

842
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,360
traveling at night during I think the Battle of Chancellorsville

843
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:00,000
and came upon a Confederate picket. He probably should have

844
00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:02,519
known better, and he got shot by one of his

845
00:43:02,559 --> 00:43:03,239
own fucking dudes.

846
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,559
Speaker 2: Imagine being the troops took out Stonewall.

847
00:43:05,679 --> 00:43:08,280
Speaker 1: Lot, maybe losing the war, maybe.

848
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 2: Losing your own life, you lost your country. Yeah, but

849
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,440
I imagine he got reprimanded. He probably got hung.

850
00:43:17,679 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 1: I'll check that out.

851
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,679
Speaker 2: Maybe they sent him to like a war camp. The

852
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,840
soldier who shot he's a pow. It's like, dude, I'm

853
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:24,360
on your side.

854
00:43:24,599 --> 00:43:26,639
Speaker 1: No specific soldier was ever punished.

855
00:43:27,559 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 2: Hmm. Interesting. He probably deserted.

856
00:43:32,679 --> 00:43:34,199
Speaker 1: You got to get out of there, get out. You

857
00:43:34,199 --> 00:43:35,280
gotta get the hell out of there.

858
00:43:35,559 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 2: Or they just covered up, like yeah he's dead, don't worry.

859
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:39,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, killed him, kill him immediately, don't worry about it.

860
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,639
They're like, run Roscoe, get out of here. Roscoe never

861
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,599
come back. Jedediah Uh.

862
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,079
Speaker 2: It was like it was like a thirteen year old kid. Yeah. Yeah.

863
00:43:49,119 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 1: Probably another Confederate general p. G. T. Beauregald, who mostly

864
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,719
fought in the Western Theater. I believe three point one

865
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:04,360
wins above. Replacement did well, did well, fourteen battles Ku

866
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,000
Klux Klan founder Nathan Bedford Forrest.

867
00:44:09,079 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 2: Who was he getting wins against?

868
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 1: He was a Confederate general first, he founded the clan

869
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:18,559
after Okay, two point six wins above replacement thirteen battles,

870
00:44:20,679 --> 00:44:21,639
did a hell of a job.

871
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:26,039
Speaker 2: And I don't agree with the politics.

872
00:44:27,159 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't know. He is considered an excellent cavalry

873
00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:34,239
goddamn strategist. Rather there he is considered on the field

874
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:35,960
one of the best commanders of the Civil War.

875
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,199
Speaker 2: Like legitimately bad decision with the Hoods, though, you know,

876
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:41,400
it's kind of tough.

877
00:44:41,599 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 1: Hard to see, hard to shoot. This one surprised me,

878
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:50,559
But I think I know why General Sherman only two

879
00:44:50,639 --> 00:44:53,760
point twenty five wins above replacement twelve battles.

880
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:55,760
Speaker 2: He burned down an entire city.

881
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: Robert burnt down an entire swath. But here's the thing.

882
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,719
The whole march to the See doesn't count. That's strategic.

883
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:06,039
Any battle fought within counts. But the larger success of it,

884
00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:08,000
the larger genius of that move.

885
00:45:08,119 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 2: See. I already questioned the numbers and the data here,

886
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:17,360
then I know you've you've already set those expectations. But

887
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,239
I just I just can't get down with this. Yeah.

888
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:24,519
Speaker 1: So his strategic acumen of initiating the march to the

889
00:45:24,599 --> 00:45:27,639
Sea and then sending off a sending off part of

890
00:45:27,679 --> 00:45:29,360
his army to go deal with Tennessee and being like,

891
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:30,360
fuck it, we don't need supply.

892
00:45:30,519 --> 00:45:32,639
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have. I'm gonna need you to actually just

893
00:45:32,679 --> 00:45:36,440
like come up with your own model. Sure, coney, a

894
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:41,159
better model. Okay, there there's a want and a need

895
00:45:41,199 --> 00:45:44,079
for it. I think you need to market is craven?

896
00:45:45,079 --> 00:45:47,199
What the market's craven? A better model it is?

897
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, we gotta we gotta refine it. Yeah, so his

898
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:56,960
strategy stuff doesn't count. Now here's one that doesn't make

899
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:01,239
any goddamn sense. Uh. General mcclell and, who is one

900
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:05,159
of the worst generals of the war, allegedly allegedly see

901
00:46:05,159 --> 00:46:07,400
it's a broken model. Yeah, has a higher wins above

902
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:16,719
replacement than Sherman. Now McClellan was strategically horrible, but he

903
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,199
was in OC. Yeah, he was in O C.

904
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,159
Speaker 2: That's what it is. You know, sometimes you just got

905
00:46:20,159 --> 00:46:24,199
to know your position. You can't lead in the entire team,

906
00:46:24,519 --> 00:46:27,880
you can't be in charge of you know that. Fifty

907
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:32,000
two man roster, but playing or play calling, that's fine.

908
00:46:32,039 --> 00:46:33,800
Call some call, yeah, just called again.

909
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: Eleven battles, two point eight wins above replacement, pretty pretty

910
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,079
odd to me. And then this one is right on

911
00:46:42,159 --> 00:46:45,400
the money actually, which makes me think it's okay, uh Mead,

912
00:46:45,639 --> 00:46:48,280
General Meade who won the Battle of Gettysburg for the Union,

913
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,880
grant wasn't over there yet, comes out positive one point

914
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,440
six eight war slightly above average, eleven battles. That's kind

915
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,800
of how historians rate him. He's right right on the

916
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,239
money there. And then General Longstreet, Lee's right hand man

917
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,920
after Jackson goes down, and probably the smartest Confederate general

918
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,119
of the war in my opinion. One point three wins

919
00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:07,840
above replacement.

920
00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:11,119
Speaker 2: Seems like your opinion is not great.

921
00:47:11,679 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: Okay, I just think he's underrated here.

922
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:18,639
Speaker 2: You're either wrong or the model drong.

923
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: Who could say, because I agree with some of it,

924
00:47:23,159 --> 00:47:24,199
but others are weird.

925
00:47:24,639 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 2: Now, I think we kind of give too much credit

926
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,800
to the Civil War generals. They should they should be dinged.

927
00:47:30,519 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 1: They did get to fight a lot of battles, a lot.

928
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 2: Of battles going against your like old roommate, this was

929
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:39,679
this was an innermural game.

930
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 1: It was a very incestuous coaching tree.

931
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was just fraternity gold League.

932
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: It was just your pros, Like, dude, I'm totally gonna

933
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,320
outsmart fucking damn today. It's gonna be hilarious.

934
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 2: Such a dumb bitch. Uh.

935
00:47:59,679 --> 00:48:02,039
Speaker 1: There's pretty funny results from this list as well, and

936
00:48:02,079 --> 00:48:07,639
interesting results. This is the funniest one by far. Do

937
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:11,280
you want who the lowest wins above replacement I could

938
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:16,400
find on this list was hmm, arguably the worst general

939
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:17,320
on the list.

940
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:22,679
Speaker 2: Of all time, the worst general to ever do it.

941
00:48:24,519 --> 00:48:29,039
I gotta think of somebody that lost to him. Was

942
00:48:29,079 --> 00:48:32,039
it whoever was fighting against like Shaka Zulu?

943
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,280
Speaker 1: Nope?

944
00:48:35,159 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 2: Mmm?

945
00:48:37,639 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 1: Who was it? George Washington?

946
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 2: Uh?

947
00:48:42,639 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: Did George Washington clocking in at negative nine winds above replacement?

948
00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 2: Yeah? American Revolution? Did England actually just give it to us?

949
00:48:53,519 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: They did? We lost a shit ton of battles in

950
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,599
the American Revolution. What George Washington did? It's sort of

951
00:49:00,079 --> 00:49:00,679
you write history.

952
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 2: He'd be like, Yeah, England just you know in there

953
00:49:05,119 --> 00:49:09,079
they're ever given ways just decided you guys can be free.

954
00:49:09,199 --> 00:49:11,519
Speaker 1: I mean, in a lot of ways, the American Revolution

955
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:15,480
was the g watt Yeah, but It's.

956
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:18,039
Speaker 2: Like, if George Washington is that bad, how fucking dope

957
00:49:18,159 --> 00:49:18,920
is Lafayette?

958
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:21,159
Speaker 1: I couldn't find him on this list.

959
00:49:21,199 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 2: God damn it, dude. I know Lafayette has to be

960
00:49:24,039 --> 00:49:26,880
like off the but he's broken past Napoleon.

961
00:49:27,199 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 1: George Washington is acknowledged historically as a mediocre to bad tactician.

962
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,679
But they marvel at his strategy. He could rally the

963
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,039
truth in the war, which is basically just like, you

964
00:49:40,079 --> 00:49:41,440
can't do this forever, man.

965
00:49:42,159 --> 00:49:44,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, but how many he doesn't get dinged for like

966
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,360
killing all those people at Valley Forge.

967
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:49,679
Speaker 1: No, but he had to. I mean, he had to

968
00:49:49,679 --> 00:49:50,639
set up camp somewhere.

969
00:49:51,159 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 2: George Washington the most overrated man to ever live.

970
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:59,599
Speaker 1: Excellent strategist, I guess in terms of his strategy being whatever, Dude,

971
00:50:00,079 --> 00:50:03,360
I just gotta wait you out. King Jordan Washington was

972
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:09,360
basically Ho Chi Minh. Apparently, like Na, the Vietnamese never

973
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,480
won battles in the Vietnam War.

974
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:17,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they just outlasted you. Yeah, dude, they because

975
00:50:17,639 --> 00:50:21,159
they knew the terrain obviously being a home game, and

976
00:50:21,159 --> 00:50:24,239
they've been fighting bigger and badder opponents for like one

977
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,000
hundred years at that point, I.

978
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,159
Speaker 1: Do not think they've been fighting bigger and badder. I

979
00:50:28,199 --> 00:50:30,119
think we were the biggest and baddest. They fought, but

980
00:50:30,159 --> 00:50:33,400
they did no bigger and better than them. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

981
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,760
Speaker 2: Oh obviously not the American. Yeah, the French. China obviously

982
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,440
had the Yeah, the Chinese and the French had a

983
00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:43,199
much better organized army than the viet Kang.

984
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: Right, and the Japanese too in World War Two. Yeah,

985
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:50,159
all they were Oh, I mean it was it was Uss,

986
00:50:50,199 --> 00:50:53,519
non con just beating. I mean, just big boy after

987
00:50:53,599 --> 00:50:54,079
big boy.

988
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:56,159
Speaker 2: He should get a lot of love then.

989
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, hoch you in.

990
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, because he's al kicking his coverage constantly.

991
00:51:03,079 --> 00:51:06,559
Speaker 1: But he's only gonna get strategic love. He's not gonna

992
00:51:06,599 --> 00:51:09,480
get he's not gonna get tactical love.

993
00:51:09,639 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 2: That's fine because when.

994
00:51:10,679 --> 00:51:14,599
Speaker 1: The ball kicks off, the Vietnamese bodies are absolutely dropping.

995
00:51:17,559 --> 00:51:20,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's an Orange man, but.

996
00:51:21,559 --> 00:51:26,199
Speaker 1: Washington, Washington the same way, just getting slapped around on

997
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:30,599
the battlefield and then rallying and making him do it again.

998
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 2: He's getting the roster, right, do it again, Yeah, do

999
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:35,400
it again.

1000
00:51:36,159 --> 00:51:38,039
Speaker 1: It's like what you said your strategy in tennis would

1001
00:51:38,079 --> 00:51:39,480
be right. I don't have to hit a winner.

1002
00:51:39,639 --> 00:51:40,599
Speaker 2: You just gotta fuck up.

1003
00:51:40,679 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 1: I just got to give it back to you make

1004
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:42,280
an air.

1005
00:51:44,079 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 2: It's not the worst strategy, Isn't that what Cinner does?

1006
00:51:47,119 --> 00:51:49,599
Speaker 1: No, Sinner also hits ball at that level, you do

1007
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:51,119
any He does everything.

1008
00:51:51,039 --> 00:51:53,559
Speaker 2: Compared to like an Alcoraz. Al Karaz is just trying

1009
00:51:53,599 --> 00:51:56,239
to hit like the perfect shot and centers just like nope.

1010
00:51:56,599 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Center's defense is brick wall esque.

1011
00:52:00,119 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 2: Okay.

1012
00:52:02,119 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 1: Uh. Meanwhile, Washington's opponent in the Revolution, General Corn Wallace

1013
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:11,679
two point three eight wins above replacement.

1014
00:52:12,599 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 2: Okay? Was this made by the BBC?

1015
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,679
Speaker 1: I don't know what nationality this guy is actually, I

1016
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:19,960
gotta assume American.

1017
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:24,800
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's your ignorance speaking.

1018
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,760
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but uh, I mean he's doing a baseball

1019
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:29,760
stat so I assume he's American.

1020
00:52:31,639 --> 00:52:34,159
Speaker 2: There's a couple of baseball fans Japim.

1021
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:35,800
Speaker 1: True, Ethan could be Japanese.

1022
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 2: You don't know.

1023
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:38,079
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1024
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,119
Speaker 2: It's like or Korean. Korean's adopted an American name.

1025
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 1: Yeah do they?

1026
00:52:43,679 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like Steve Tom Kim's name is not Tom.

1027
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:49,280
Speaker 1: Oh well, I thought he was an American.

1028
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 2: It's boy Young Kim. Okay.

1029
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:52,679
Speaker 1: I thought he was like an American career.

1030
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:56,079
Speaker 2: No, but Uh, Koreans that come over, they'll just adopt

1031
00:52:56,159 --> 00:52:58,559
an American name. It's like, just I don't don't call

1032
00:52:58,599 --> 00:53:00,159
me boy young. Yeah you can't say.

1033
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 1: I went to grade school with a Korean kid whose

1034
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:05,840
first name was John, so yeah, he might have done

1035
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:10,039
that too, probably, Yeah, never asked. I was just like, Okay,

1036
00:53:10,039 --> 00:53:16,320
your name is John. Uh, let's get into the crusades.

1037
00:53:17,079 --> 00:53:19,280
Speaker 2: Let's do it a lot richer than the lion Heart.

1038
00:53:19,559 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll get to him in a second. Uh saladeens

1039
00:53:22,519 --> 00:53:23,199
who were doing.

1040
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:26,599
Speaker 2: For saladein as Yes, yes, yes, Saladean should be up there.

1041
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:35,679
Speaker 1: He's goaded negative point five war how I actually don't know.

1042
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 2: Is Baldwin up there?

1043
00:53:37,679 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 1: I couldn't find Baldwin.

1044
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 2: Damn dude, is bald Winn't even real?

1045
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: This guy needs to make a list like a list.

1046
00:53:43,039 --> 00:53:44,840
It is just this graph you have to hover over,

1047
00:53:45,119 --> 00:53:47,360
and it drives me insane. But I found as many

1048
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:51,239
people as I could. Uh, Richard, the Lionheart comes in

1049
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:55,400
at positive point five wins we replacement. So they basically

1050
00:53:55,519 --> 00:53:57,159
just kind of fought each other to a draw, which

1051
00:53:57,199 --> 00:53:59,760
is what happened in the act In that actual crusade.

1052
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,360
But yeah, I was surprised to see Saladin in the

1053
00:54:04,559 --> 00:54:08,599
in the red I would have thought he was positive.

1054
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like often regarded as one of the best

1055
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:12,360
to do it.

1056
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, so maybe that's strategically he's one of the best.

1057
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:22,280
Don't know Rommel from World War two negative one point

1058
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:25,599
five wins of replacement. Yeah, arguably the best German general

1059
00:54:25,599 --> 00:54:25,960
in the war.

1060
00:54:26,119 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 2: That's kind of on Hitler. I think whenever Rommel was

1061
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:30,599
cooking and.

1062
00:54:30,519 --> 00:54:32,760
Speaker 1: Then had a real Jerry Jones situation.

1063
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 2: Hitler, Yeah, truly, he's straight up just did the Micah

1064
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:40,880
Parson situation for equivalent of World War Two. It's like, Rommeel,

1065
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:42,440
you can't be in the you can't be in the

1066
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:43,239
desert anymore.

1067
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:46,199
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, you want to counterattack that cute little beach

1068
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:49,000
landing at Normandy with with tanks. Now, I'm pretty sure

1069
00:54:49,039 --> 00:54:50,920
they're coming over at Calai, shut the fuck up and

1070
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:54,800
stand Down's.

1071
00:54:53,119 --> 00:54:56,639
Speaker 2: Just doing what the superior told him to do, and

1072
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:58,639
that shouldn't really be a reflection of him.

1073
00:54:58,960 --> 00:54:59,519
Speaker 1: Fair enough.

1074
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 2: Uh, justice for Rommel.

1075
00:55:03,559 --> 00:55:05,639
Speaker 1: Oh, we we have another civil war guy. Here's two

1076
00:55:05,679 --> 00:55:09,000
more civil war guys. Actually are one of our low

1077
00:55:09,079 --> 00:55:12,039
key favorites, not for anything he did in the war.

1078
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:18,960
General Burnside, just for those sweet sweet chops and that

1079
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,519
are one of our favorite bars from back in the day.

1080
00:55:23,159 --> 00:55:27,320
Speaker 2: Truly go to that was a god bar in twenty fifteen.

1081
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,519
Speaker 1: Oh peak Burnside's was.

1082
00:55:30,199 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 2: Blind Pig Burnside and Buckshot Baby next level. That's when

1083
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:39,920
Austin was Austin. Yeah, before the comedians ruined it kind of.

1084
00:55:41,119 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 1: Even though Burnside got clowned at Fredericksburg, he actually was

1085
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,360
moved to the Western Theater after that and performed well

1086
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,400
in the Western Theater. Clock's in at point nine wins above.

1087
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:56,280
Replacement stays positive. Fredericksburg, Texas. No, No, Fredericksburg, Virginia.

1088
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 2: Like damn, dude, we're making wine on blood soilk.

1089
00:55:59,559 --> 00:56:03,760
Speaker 1: Soil grows good, good grows good grapes. They say the

1090
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,039
grape tastes better when it suffers on the vine. If

1091
00:56:06,039 --> 00:56:12,639
you have suffering in the soil, just generations, it helps.

1092
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,440
They should do it. Someone should put up some vineyards

1093
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,360
at Arlington National Cemetery.

1094
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,159
Speaker 2: Dude, war hero wine.

1095
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 1: Do we just figure it out? Make a vineyard in

1096
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:26,679
a in a national.

1097
00:56:27,079 --> 00:56:29,679
Speaker 2: Up Dude, Think of how cool it would be to

1098
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:35,480
go to a cemetery and you just get hammered.

1099
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,559
Speaker 1: People used to do that all the time.

1100
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the fact, but you get to go to

1101
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:42,960
like a national cemetery.

1102
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it'd be a blast.

1103
00:56:44,519 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 2: It's more of a tourist thing anyway, there's no but no,

1104
00:56:46,519 --> 00:56:48,719
nobody's sad going there except.

1105
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,159
Speaker 1: For the couple family, a couple.

1106
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:54,199
Speaker 2: Family members, some modern funerals, and they'd probably like a drink.

1107
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:55,400
They would love a drink.

1108
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we saw the few real sadness.

1109
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 2: We get rid of income text and you can just

1110
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:06,320
start putting wine cells to uh cope for that.

1111
00:57:06,639 --> 00:57:10,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, put up put up wineries at all the national cemeteries. Okay,

1112
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:15,960
another surprising one, or it would sound surprising, but I

1113
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:19,119
actually understand this, uh because he was excellent in the

1114
00:57:19,159 --> 00:57:19,679
Civil War.

1115
00:57:19,719 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 2: Wait before we get off this, what do we charge

1116
00:57:22,559 --> 00:57:25,400
like stadium prices at a cemetery or is it more reasonable?

1117
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:29,719
Speaker 1: I think if you can prove you are one of

1118
00:57:29,719 --> 00:57:33,079
the bereaved, you get a discount. But for Normanis Stadium,

1119
00:57:33,159 --> 00:57:33,559
if you're.

1120
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 2: Just kind of visiting, yeah, you're just checking things out.

1121
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there's a brievement discount. If you can prove

1122
00:57:38,239 --> 00:57:41,360
you have a relative in the cemetery, like a near relative,

1123
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:42,519
now your great great grandpa.

1124
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:44,639
Speaker 2: But we don't want to get crazy with the discount

1125
00:57:44,679 --> 00:57:48,480
like ten percent. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, it's like,

1126
00:57:48,519 --> 00:57:49,440
sorry for your troubles.

1127
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:50,159
Speaker 1: We're a business.

1128
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 2: Here's two dollars off.

1129
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're business. My empathy only extends so far.

1130
00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:58,119
Speaker 2: Gotta make money.

1131
00:57:58,239 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, grow up, that's what you you're sad about him.

1132
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:02,760
That's what he fought for. That's what he fought and

1133
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:07,400
died for. My ability to make money off the depressed.

1134
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 2: Yes.

1135
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:09,599
Speaker 3: Uh.

1136
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:14,119
Speaker 1: General Custer comes in at point eight wins above replacement,

1137
00:58:14,199 --> 00:58:18,440
positive for his career, how because he crushed in the

1138
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:18,880
Civil War.

1139
00:58:19,199 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 2: Okay, not after, not after he took the biggest l.

1140
00:58:24,639 --> 00:58:26,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, a horrible l.

1141
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 2: That that alone should make you negative.

1142
00:58:29,599 --> 00:58:34,079
Speaker 1: I think it took a lot off. Okay, but yeah,

1143
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:37,360
he uh comes in at point he he his Civil

1144
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:40,800
War stuff was so good that he came in positive

1145
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:45,519
wins above replacement, despite literally getting murdered in his final battle.

1146
00:58:48,199 --> 00:58:48,519
Speaker 2: Uh.

1147
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:53,519
Speaker 1: I could not find Cortes. However, I did find a conquistador.

1148
00:58:54,599 --> 00:58:57,559
Speaker 2: Do you have conquistadors that aren't Quartez? Doesn't make any sense.

1149
00:58:57,599 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 1: I couldn't find Cortez, He's probably in there when you.

1150
00:59:01,119 --> 00:59:03,599
Speaker 2: Really count there like skirmishes though he has like fifty dudes,

1151
00:59:04,199 --> 00:59:06,400
he has fifty. I know he kills like ten thousand.

1152
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 1: The other side has a lot.

1153
00:59:08,159 --> 00:59:09,519
Speaker 2: Seems like he should be up there.

1154
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:13,159
Speaker 1: He's he wasn't in like the easy to find like

1155
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:16,559
super star guys. There's just like this huge pile in

1156
00:59:16,599 --> 00:59:16,960
the middle.

1157
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. So uh.

1158
00:59:19,559 --> 00:59:24,519
Speaker 1: Francisco Pizarro, who I believe took out the Incas, let

1159
00:59:24,559 --> 00:59:27,199
me check on that.

1160
00:59:27,199 --> 00:59:29,679
Speaker 2: It's just, you know, it doesn't have the same value

1161
00:59:29,719 --> 00:59:30,559
as the Aztecs.

1162
00:59:31,599 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 1: It doesn't. But the Incas were actually, I think a

1163
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:36,280
better empire in a lot of ways. Probably they were older,

1164
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:39,599
they were more advanced, more.

1165
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 2: Peaceful people, Eh sure, I mean not with the y

1166
00:59:43,559 --> 00:59:45,679
yeah yeah, not totally peaceful, but like compared to the

1167
00:59:45,679 --> 00:59:46,480
Aztecs were dicks.

1168
00:59:46,559 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 1: Yeah ye, yeah, they were better. They were better empire

1169
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:51,159
than the Aztecs. Pizarro, who took out the Inca's one

1170
00:59:51,159 --> 00:59:54,639
point four windth ab of replacement, all right, did a

1171
00:59:54,679 --> 01:00:04,199
good jump. Our guy, Andrew Jackson one point eight positive.

1172
01:00:04,719 --> 01:00:06,400
I think he fought a lot of battles where he

1173
01:00:06,559 --> 01:00:09,840
was like overly advantaged.

1174
01:00:11,119 --> 01:00:12,559
Speaker 2: Bat On New Orleans.

1175
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 1: Bat On New Orleans would be one where maybe he wasn't,

1176
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:16,599
but he fought a lot of Indian battles.

1177
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:21,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, it should be noted to give himself some scalps.

1178
01:00:22,519 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, it should be noted that a hefty portion of

1179
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:30,480
the negative whims above replacement were Native American names.

1180
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:38,239
Speaker 2: Stay taking those l's man, what's Geronimo?

1181
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:41,239
Speaker 1: So I could find gerantao. But I was just going

1182
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:43,360
through the negatives to find funny ones. And it was

1183
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,280
like every Indian you've ever heard of, sitting bowl, Yeah,

1184
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:50,199
sitting bowl, like all of them, all of them, all.

1185
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:53,719
Speaker 2: In the red. I gotta see who this ethan fella is.

1186
01:00:56,119 --> 01:00:57,679
Speaker 1: It got I saw one and I was like, oh,

1187
01:00:57,719 --> 01:00:58,519
I guess that makes sense.

1188
01:00:58,559 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 2: He lost. I mean they lost.

1189
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,079
Speaker 1: And then I just like kept looking in the negative

1190
01:01:02,119 --> 01:01:04,239
side and it was just like Indian, Indian, Indian, and

1191
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:07,119
I was like, oh, bully, how could you tell?

1192
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 2: It's like blood feather? Right?

1193
01:01:11,079 --> 01:01:14,719
Speaker 1: It was all like those types of names. But Andrew

1194
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:17,840
Jackson won a lot of battles against Native Americans, and

1195
01:01:18,119 --> 01:01:21,119
I think he had such a big advantage that he

1196
01:01:21,159 --> 01:01:23,679
didn't get the war points that say a Napoleon would

1197
01:01:23,679 --> 01:01:25,119
get or a Caesar would get.

1198
01:01:25,719 --> 01:01:32,239
Speaker 2: So Cyrus the Great not maybe Cyrus the not so Great.

1199
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 1: Nah, I mean he comes in positive one point six

1200
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:38,719
wins above replacement, Cyrus the mid I think Cyrus also

1201
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:42,440
had massive advantages in most of the battles he went into.

1202
01:01:42,719 --> 01:01:44,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say so.

1203
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 1: So you just don't score a lot of points for

1204
01:01:47,039 --> 01:01:50,719
an easy win. Essentially you covered.

1205
01:01:51,079 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 2: That's good, right, Yeah.

1206
01:01:53,760 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 1: The man who defeated Hannibal Sippio Africanus two point four

1207
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:04,360
wins above replacement. He comes in late in the war.

1208
01:02:05,239 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it doesn't he starts to kind of change

1209
01:02:07,519 --> 01:02:08,079
to the tides.

1210
01:02:08,679 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 1: He completely changes it. He doesn't lose, he doesn't, but

1211
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:13,079
he also doesn't fight a ton.

1212
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:17,199
Speaker 2: Of battles, all right, so he has a good he

1213
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:17,800
has a good.

1214
01:02:17,719 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 1: Warper warper Yeah. The Hibib yeah, uh and the last

1215
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:25,639
one I found and I put him on here just

1216
01:02:25,679 --> 01:02:27,480
because we did an episode on him.

1217
01:02:29,159 --> 01:02:32,679
Speaker 2: Darius, your guy, m hmm.

1218
01:02:33,199 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 1: Negative wins above replacement.

1219
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 2: There's only so many times you can pull the old

1220
01:02:37,559 --> 01:02:40,840
uh smell my hand to a horse.

1221
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. That and when you're bumping up against Alexander on

1222
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:48,440
the schedule several times.

1223
01:02:48,559 --> 01:02:49,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's got me tough.

1224
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 1: Tough sled not it's just not what you want. You're

1225
01:02:52,519 --> 01:02:54,239
just not going to get a good result there.

1226
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 2: It's all bumb matchups.

1227
01:02:57,079 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 1: But I will drop this link in the disc cord

1228
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:02,320
if it hasn't already been dropped, just put it as

1229
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:04,519
a description. Yeah, we'll put it in the description too,

1230
01:03:05,199 --> 01:03:05,920
uh well.

1231
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:08,079
Speaker 2: In the yeah yeah, for the Pageoon episode.

1232
01:03:08,159 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 1: This was one of my favorite things to ever play with.

1233
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:12,760
What'd you learn today?

1234
01:03:14,239 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 2: I learned this guy's models are broken clearly.

1235
01:03:19,559 --> 01:03:21,159
Speaker 1: Who do you think he underrated the most?

1236
01:03:22,199 --> 01:03:27,079
Speaker 2: Salahadeen over George Washington. Yeah, George Washington was a hack dude.

1237
01:03:29,519 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 1: He kind of was. He kind of was.

1238
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 2: All credit to my boy Lafiette.

1239
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:37,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, George Washington is a great man, one of the

1240
01:03:37,719 --> 01:03:40,079
greatest Americans ever. But he did not get it done

1241
01:03:40,199 --> 01:03:46,079
on the battlefield. Got it done elsewhere, not on the battlefield.

1242
01:03:46,119 --> 01:03:50,079
Saladeen massively underrated. I think Sherman's.

1243
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:51,840
Speaker 2: Underrated demon list Baldwin.

1244
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 1: Maybe I can't. I don't. You know again, you'll see

1245
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:57,360
this thing and be like, how the fuck are you

1246
01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:02,519
supposed to find? People like? Look at this?

1247
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 2: Do you do? Your bald Wind impression always just me.

1248
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:06,599
It always gets me.

1249
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:08,159
Speaker 1: Do I have a bald wind pression?

1250
01:04:08,199 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1251
01:04:09,239 --> 01:04:13,239
Speaker 1: When I was sixteen, I won a great battle and

1252
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:16,440
I thought I'd live forever. Now I know I won't

1253
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:21,639
see thirty no matter. You live in the Kingdom of Heaven.

1254
01:04:22,519 --> 01:04:24,599
Speaker 2: It's good? Is that good? I like it?

1255
01:04:24,719 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 1: All right?

1256
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:28,119
Speaker 2: It just it kind of soothes me. It brings me peace.

1257
01:04:28,159 --> 01:04:30,239
Speaker 1: You when to do an ASMR for you?

1258
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 2: Okay, we just do an entire sketch as a bald

1259
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:38,880
sleep too, all right? Why not fuck it? And you're

1260
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:42,000
just talking about just Jerusalem for forty five minutes.

1261
01:04:42,079 --> 01:04:47,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, you must defend Jerusalem at all costs. It's small

1262
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:50,679
than a city. It's just the Kingdom of Heaven.

1263
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:52,079
Speaker 2: As you're moving chess pieces.

1264
01:04:52,239 --> 01:04:59,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, huh. He's like soft, little laugh ballion. You know

1265
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:03,760
so little of the place of your destiny. I was like,

1266
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:07,599
God has some stuff for you, like I like getting

1267
01:05:07,599 --> 01:05:08,639
me addicted to talking like that.

1268
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:11,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't care if I don't care if the

1269
01:05:11,519 --> 01:05:16,800
audience cares for it, I do. I enjoy. It's so funny.

1270
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:21,719
Speaker 1: That's Edward Norton, who's in the game.

1271
01:05:23,639 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 2: The game has been always will be war because war

1272
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:30,199
war never changes.

1273
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:36,039
Speaker 1: Well, I think the key is just fight a lot

1274
01:05:36,079 --> 01:05:37,960
of battles and you'll probably be Okay.

1275
01:05:38,199 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 2: It seems like this we need to just make our

1276
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:41,320
own models.

1277
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 1: Oh hell, yes, I just found Saddam Hussein.

1278
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 2: Saddam, I guess technically count as a general.

1279
01:05:49,199 --> 01:05:53,119
Speaker 1: I guess so according to him, negative one point seven

1280
01:05:53,119 --> 01:05:54,039
wins above replacement.

1281
01:05:55,599 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 2: He had a tough opposition.

1282
01:05:58,119 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 1: I think he was. They count him a lot of

1283
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:02,400
a lot of those battles are the Iran Iraq?

1284
01:06:02,559 --> 01:06:04,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would make more sense. Yeah.

1285
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 1: Oh, and here's Mexican. I found Mexican War Santa Anna.

1286
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, Santanna has to be like negative.

1287
01:06:10,639 --> 01:06:12,519
Speaker 1: Twelve, negative two point six.

1288
01:06:13,239 --> 01:06:17,039
Speaker 2: How is Santa Anna not worse than Washington? Santa Anna

1289
01:06:17,159 --> 01:06:18,840
is like the worst general to ever live.

1290
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:22,800
Speaker 1: So I think he got dubs in the Mexican Revolution

1291
01:06:23,119 --> 01:06:24,440
of Independence.

1292
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 2: Against other Mexicans. No, no, that was against Spain whatever,

1293
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:31,760
against other Mexicans. All right, fair enough, Well for the

1294
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:34,599
Spanish then they were living in Mexico. They were Mexicans.

1295
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:37,239
Speaker 1: If you're in Mexico and you speak Spanish, you are

1296
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:38,280
immediately a Mexican.

1297
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:41,199
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I don't think Spain really, you know, pumped

1298
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:43,679
the resources into Mexico that they should have. No, they

1299
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:45,320
just it wasn't like us fight in England.

1300
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:47,440
Speaker 1: No, they were strip mining. They weren't like super there.

1301
01:06:49,719 --> 01:06:51,800
Speaker 2: So yeah, so yeah, it was the battle for who

1302
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:53,119
could call themselves Mexican.

1303
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:58,440
Speaker 1: Fair. That's fair, that's that's I'll allow that. But that's

1304
01:06:58,480 --> 01:06:59,360
all I got for today.

1305
01:07:00,239 --> 01:07:01,159
Speaker 2: I like that. I enjoyed that.

1306
01:07:02,119 --> 01:07:03,440
Speaker 1: I had a blast riding this.

1307
01:07:03,639 --> 01:07:06,039
Speaker 2: I like to do this every day of the week

1308
01:07:06,079 --> 01:07:06,320
with you.

1309
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:10,679
Speaker 1: Brother, you too, baby, No, I'll be I'm a lot closer. Yeah,

1310
01:07:11,119 --> 01:07:12,519
just pop in right down the street.

1311
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:17,119
Speaker 2: Uh, my apartment's becoming more and more less close. It's

1312
01:07:17,159 --> 01:07:21,199
getting less cluttered, but it's more more livable. So you

1313
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:24,599
got everything hung up. We're gonna have the Lopez in

1314
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:26,519
on Sunday. We're gonna try to do a third mic.

1315
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:28,320
Figure that out. He'll be in the middle of the couch.

1316
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:31,039
Hell yeah, you'll see how big the couch is. Can't wait,

1317
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:33,559
you can't can't tell how far away we are?

1318
01:07:33,719 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you'll finally know. Will my hand be on

1319
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:38,199
Lopez's back?

1320
01:07:38,519 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 2: Probably?

1321
01:07:39,119 --> 01:07:40,760
Speaker 1: I guess you'll find You'll have to see and find out.

1322
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:41,599
You have to watch.

1323
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 2: Tune in tune in next episode.

1324
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:48,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, Thank you guys. I love you guys as always.

1325
01:07:48,519 --> 01:07:51,039
Pop over to the Patreon so you can join the

1326
01:07:51,079 --> 01:07:52,159
discord if you haven't already.

1327
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 2: This is the Patreon but no.

1328
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:56,480
Speaker 1: I'm saying, pop over to the Patreon page. Like the

1329
01:07:56,519 --> 01:07:58,559
top of the penscord link the pin topic.

1330
01:07:58,639 --> 01:08:01,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it changed. The little link should be working.

1331
01:08:02,199 --> 01:08:04,320
It's a forever link now. I think I originally put

1332
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:05,760
like a two day link on for some reason. I

1333
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:06,800
don't know why that exists.

1334
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:08,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say I never even.

1335
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:10,480
Speaker 2: Heard of that, but I had to change the settings

1336
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:13,400
for that. But yeah, it should be good. Keep an

1337
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:15,639
eye out. We're gonna continue for the twenty dollars tier

1338
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:18,239
do the sports show every week on a Wednesday, and

1339
01:08:18,279 --> 01:08:22,439
then also slowly release extra additional content as you know,

1340
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:23,439
as we feel.

1341
01:08:23,279 --> 01:08:25,039
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, peep peep.

1342
01:08:26,039 --> 01:08:31,119
Speaker 2: So we love you. Guess that's Rob hom Dan. You

1343
01:08:31,239 --> 01:08:32,119
just gotta saw served